Pissed Off Yet America? We Need a Change

stand-up-for-americaAs part of my daily rituals, I routinely go out and seek other blogs to find out what people are saying. I have been struggling a bit lately with figuring out exactly where I wanted to go with this blog, whether I was going to push Libertarianism, simply give daily reports on current news, or maybe begin writing daily poems dedicated to the trees. I realized that last one might lose me some of my valuable readers, so I ruled it out quickly. But really, how do I want to proceed. I have found one common thread in what I read out there and I think that it may provide me an answer for where I go next….

How many of you have ever watched South Park? There is a scene in the episode from the first season called “Anal Probe”. In the scene Kyle tries to talk nicely to some aliens in order to get them to give back his baby brother. When it doesn’t work he flips out, yelling every profanity that you can think of (all bleeped out of course). I am posting a link to a quick video of this. Please go watch it. It never ceases to make me laugh. It is the first clip in this compilation video. As an added bonus, the second clip shows Cartman under alien control, which reminds me very much of every Obamaphile after they watch their messiah on TV. You can stop watching after the second clip, it takes a total of a minute and adds greatly to the visual of this article:

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That profanity filled rant at the aliens is exactly the way that Americans feel towards Washington these days. We have tried to be nice and trust that Washington will do the right things. Now we would yell just like that if given the opportunity. To put it bluntly we are mad as hell. Americans are mad as hell because most of us have tried to play the game the right way, and now we are getting screwed for it. We go to work, pay our bills, raise our children, treat people well, and generally try to contribute to the good of society. 

And while we did this, all the politicians on both sides of the aisle in Washington have been doing all the wrong things. They go to work when they feel like it and only for themselves, they don’t pay their bills (or their taxes), they don’t raise their children (but do a grand job of trying to raise ours for us), treat anyone who opposes them like dirt, and generally try to contribute to the downfall of society. 

No wonder we’re angry. While most of us were doing the right thing, some others –- foolish homeowners, stupid bankers, house flippers, idiot politicians and more –- were robbing us blind. Now we are supposed to bail them out. To the tune of Trillions so far with no end in sight. Well let me correct that. There is an end in sight… to our savings, our retirements, our jobs, our future, even our children’s future.

And as I said it isn’t one side of the aisle that I am unhappy with. It is both sides, all sides. No one any longer represents me. They only represent their party and the agenda that goes along with it. 

republican-symbolRepublicans are fed up with their politicians. The party has fallen to wayside of the moral stances that they used to be able to take. They are now taking bribes and moving toward the left. I heard Lindsay Graham, long time Republican Senator say on TV the other day that “nationalization of the banks is what needs to happen”. The party ran the worst campaign in recent memory. They are out of touch with the American people. They left behind many of their members a long time ago. 

democrat-logoDemocrats are fed up with their politicians. They are liars and users. They cared so little about the economy that they used the nation’s economic “crisis” to sneak in legislation that drastically furthered their agenda. They espouse a socialistic state that most Americans, Democrat or not, cannot stomach. They want to re-write the Constitution to take away guns, manipulate the census to increase control, and raise our children to embrace their beliefs rather than the parent’s. 

But mostly EVERYONE is tired of what our government has become. They have bastardized the Constitution by legislating from the bench and claiming government rights through any clause or loophole they can invent. They have made an art of dividing America and playing it against itself so that no organization can occur that might threaten their power. They have laid claim to 80% of the fruits of our labor through income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, and breathing taxes (and before you laugh at that last one ask yourself what the environmental activists want next? A carbon footprint tax!)

Are you fracking kidding me? The government thinks they should tax my breathing because I contribute to global warming. And the best part is that there are Americans that are buying this shit. “They’re trying to help us”. Bullshit. Dumbasses.

 

Ignore the Elephant, Remember the Picture

Ignore the Elephant, Remember the Picture

Some Americans have had enough. And that number is growing every day. Conservatives, Liberals, Constitutionalists, Anarchists. No one is happy with government. I haven’t talked to ANYONE in America that think the government can be trusted. I haven’t talked to ANYONE who thinks Washington is honest and looking out for them. Yet I talk to people every day who are willing to go on through their lives with their eyes wide shut pretending that everything is going to be OK. “It takes too much time” or “there is no one I can trust” or “one person has no voice in America”.

 

 

Well the time has come for Americans to pull their collective heads out of their asses and get busy. It is time to Cowboy Up America. Talk to your friends, your family, your neighbors. Get them as fired up as you are. Because one voice in America will not be heard in Washington. But millions will resonate and strike fear into their soul. I was recently called a dreamer by a reader and I realized that I do speak in ideals. But dreamers started this country and are responsible for just about every major advancement in our society. 

It isn’t a new lightbulb or a new source of renewable energy that must be the product of a dreamer in today’s America. It is the promise of real hope that must be the next invention. Not this fake hope we saw in the last election, based in rhetoric and pretty words. Real hope based in action and determination. Maybe I, as one dreamer cannot get us there. But I am not alone. Every person reading this blog is a dreamer of sorts. You aren’t happy with where we are going and you dream of something better, an America that lives up to the dreams and promises of the original dreamers. And the last time time a group of dreamers got together and plotted a course for a new government that served the people, it resulted in what we now call the American Revolution. Perhaps the time has come for the sequel.

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Comments

  1. Texas Tirrell says:

    I am so angry I could bite a nail into pieces!

    I’ve called and e-mailed each of my senators, representatives, even the govener, but to no use.

    Both of my sons have lost their jobs, my husband was forced to take a huge paycut and now the company he works for is looking at layoffs.

    We live in a very rural area. We have two industries here, oilfield and agriculture. The oilfields have shut down! The farmers are not hiring. You can’t even get a minimum wage job here. Two businesses have closed their doors and many have laid off hands. 200 people lost their jobs in 30 days! We might have 5000 people in the whole county.

    We’ve been told to go to the ‘city’. There aren’t any jobs there either. Everyone else is there looking too! We can’t, our home is here. Thank God, we paid it off two tears ago.

    We played by the rules. We were responsible and paid our debts. Why do we have pay for those who didn’t?

    No one bailed us out back in the early ’80’s when the oilfield’s fell. We lost everything we had back then. We picked ourselves up, dusted our backsides, went back to work and played it a lot smarter this time around. We saved, lived within our means and managed to buy our home and 20 acres. We own a six year old pick up truck.

    We still live within our means, but now,we’re supposed to give up our hard earned money to people who won’t do the same? Why? How are we supposed to pay our bills if the gov. takes more of our money?

    Most conservatives work for a living, that’s why we don’t attend rallies or held the cries. We are simply trying to survive!

  2. G. A. Rowe says:

    At the age of 17 (a long, long time ago) I raised my right hand and swore to God that I would uphold, serve, protect and defend the people and the constitution of the United States of America, from all enemies without and within, with my life if necessary. Upon retiring from the Military branch in which I had enlisted (a long time ago) I do not remember anything about no longer being required to honor that oath.

    I am still here. Not as lean, perhaps not so mean, but still a Marine. No, this is not the United States that I grew up in, and that will never be the same because everything is in a constant state of change. We old farts have always wanted to leave this Country a better place for our children, grand children and great grand children. We have always said that with our right to vote, we will never be subverted. How wrong we were. During the American Revolution there was a motto: “United We Stand – Divided We Fall”. The Socialist backed political factions in this country have succeeded in dividing us; first into work groups(blue collar, white collar, etc), then by incomes(upper, middle, lower, and poverty level), then by classes(upper, middle and lower), and even into where our ancestors came from with the advent of the hyphenated American. They have taken our Pledge of Allegiance away from our public schools, have thwarted our attempts at establishing a National Language. They have almost succeeded in removing Parental Responsibility by trying to say that our public education system knows how to raise our children better than we do, and they have even conned people into believing that Doctor assisted suicide is a perfectly normal human thing. That after “legalizing” unfettered abortions. All that comes under the heading of removing our sense of believing all life is sacred. If it is O.K. to abort an unborn child for no other reason than one does not want a child, then it is o.K. to have a doctor help you kill yourself for whatever reason you decide, then it will be O.K. to systematically remove those who no longer contribute to society as a whole. Soylent Green, anyone?

    What I am saying here is that we Americans have to draw a line somewhere. We have to put an end to this raping of our Constitutional Rights. This systematical removal of our freedoms. With the gun control laws that are being proposed even as you read this (HR 45 I think it is labeled – and it was sent to committee about a week ago) the law abiding American will effectively be disarmed. That leaves Police and Military with arms . . . oh yes, and the criminals, who outnumber Police 1000 to 1. The increasing rise in criminal activity won’t be able to be handled by the Police, so the next step will be to bring in the military – armed to the teeth, and manning checkpoints. Gridlock never had it so good. I.D and travel passes will be required to be shown at these checkpoints. Big Brother knows what is best for you. Do you really want your offspring to inherent this scenario? I don’t!

    The only way to stop it is to get vocal, and do not be intimidated by the Socialist trained liberals that have saturated our country. It is OUR country, it belongs to “WE THE PEOPLE”!

    Our ancestors came here to get away from the idiocy of the rest of the world, they started one of the best forms of Government known to mankind. No, it is not a perfect governmental system, but then there can never be a perfect one because we Humans are not and never will be perfect. Nothing we have ever done has been perfect just for that reason.

    Until we get up, get vocal and get in their face, we will continue to be subverted, and eventually turned into Soylent Green.

    I am here, I am with USWeapon on this one.

    Where are you?

  3. I am with him as well. I have been emailing my senators and reps for over a month now. Not that it is doing any good. I am not one of the elite ones. I work for a living. I served in our great military and now I take care of my family. I am completely fedup with taking care of someone else because they are too sorry and too lazy to do it themselves. IT IS THE TIME FOR ACTION. We must stand up for what is right. If the communist, socialist want to live that way, fine leave my country, because I don’t want any part of it. I agree that because we work for a living we don’t have time for rallies and fund raisers, but I am telling all of you right now that we have to start.

    The liberals have educated “Brainwashed” our children into believing everything they say is the way it should be. And now all those children and grown up and are robots for their liberal agenda. We must educate America to what the founding fathers believed it.

    All this crap has pissed me off. And as far as gun control is concerned, I hope they do come and try to take mine away. That will not be a very smart thing to do. And I will tell all of you now that you will have to arm yourselves as well. People will get hungry and they will take what you have. Unless you can protect it. I am buying as much “protection” as I can afford.

  4. I said when this administration first came to power that it’s leader was the anti-christ, I have to wonder now how many out there agree with me on this. I too have e-mailed and called my congressman and my senator, I got a nice form letter with my name inserted. I don’t believe it will be too much longer before we have a scenario much like what Fedup described. Our apocalypse is on it’s way. Are there enough of us who are angry that we can do something about it? I certainly hope so. I am not a leader but I am more than willing to follow if I believe in the direction that is being taken.

  5. I am pissed off as well, and totally agree with US Weapon. I never served in the military, but was raised by two Marines…yes my mom was a BAM. They instilled in me the sacrifices that our servicemen gave for this glorious country, and I respect every military person I have ever met. This country is definitely headed down the wrong path. If you told me 10 years ago that this was going to be happening, I would have told you then that a revolution would soon follow…I am afraid that is what it will take to make government take notice.

    The far left loons get most of the attention due to the MSM and all of the idiotic actors we see spouting off. There are a few that make sense, but are outnumbered 1000 to 1. It is time for our voices to be heard. I too have been writing and calling Senators and Representatives, but am afraid the correspondence falls on deaf ears. We need to make our voices be heard in the voting booths…that is the only way I see us making a difference, short of a revolution. I am sincerely afraid that if in 2010 we do not change the political guard, that revolution will become a new chapter in the history of the US.

    US Weapon, keep this blog going…it is truly appreciated by me to be able to correspond with many like minded folks that believe the Constitution is being trampled by so many…these are especially troubling times…

  6. Karl L. from Esom Hill says:

    I too, am afraid the time is coming when we’re going to have to revolt to be listened to. Too many in this country are being ignored. The wrong people have the power and are taking steps to make sure they keep it. Is there anyone out there who does’nt think the census is being moved to the white house for a reason? I for one am fed up and sick and tired of the whole frickin’ mess. I don’t want a revolution, but I also don’t see an alternative. Obama, Pelosi and others think they know what’s best for us and are not going to let go. Well I agree with FedUp. Coming to get my guns will be a serious mistake with severe health hazards. I also work at a school and can tell you that your children are being indoctrinated in Socialism 101. Especially at the college level. They are rewriting History to what they, in their liberal minds, think it should be. Guns are bad! Abortion is good! The Government owes you a living! You owe the government fealty! You shalt bow and scrape before the great and all knowing Obama! BULLSHIT!

  7. Well – hopefully the viral attribute of the blogosphere can create enough pressure – I honestly think politician’s could give two shits if you call or email them directly. Public shame and scrutiny seem to be the only way they change/listen. I will admit to being a moderate Keynesian and support counter-cyclical fiscal policy – the inherent problem in the model (and why I don’t trust the market)though is that the Government will always show itself to be cowards and incompetent and choose political life or what is right (SEC anyone?). The downside is that when left to its own devices the market does far worse – I have oft wondered if we anthropologically inclined to greed – so that the dictum – “I have met the enemy and he is us” will always be true. Maybe we are due for the social upheaval some us missed out on pre-1970 – only question is can we pull ourselves away from our keyboards and South Park cartoons long enough to actually give our voice (large hint of sarcasm)?

  8. Stomp, rage, revolt … that’s what I read here from nearly everyone.

    And none of it will make a darn difference – indeed, probably will make everything worse. The country got here by activists and activism…. more of the same will not reverse the trend.

    As long as people believe the solution to human problems is using force and coercion – you will always have what you have now.

    From Nimrod – the first government and the first government project, the Tower of Babel to government today – every single example in history of government shows it has and will collapse into confusion and suffering.

  9. Ray,

    The only way it can get better is for the market to do it.

    magine that nearly everyone is put to work for a month by businesses that build high-priced houses induced by government stimulus.

    While that is happening, fewer people are employed baking bread. At the end of the month, people try to buy bread and find that there is not enough.

    Meanwhile, they do not want to buy the high-priced houses. There are too many of those. Home prices fall. Bread prices rise. (Consumer goods prices rose 0.3 percent in January.)

    The workers in homebuilding are laid off. Home prices decline. Lenders find their home loans going bad. The economy goes into an adjustment that is a recession in order to correct the imbalance. The economy needs more bread factories and bread makers. Left to its own devices, the adjustment will occur.

    The possibility of making profits by making bread will see to that. The losses in homebuilding will see to it that fewer homes are built.

    But suppose that the government steps in with a stimulus bill and hires labor to pave roads. The adjustment toward bread making is delayed.

    At first overall production seems to improve, counting the money spent on roads. But eventually there is a surplus of paved roads and not enough bread.

    The bread makers try to hire labor. They compete with the road pavers. Wages rise. The economy sees price inflation. It still does not have the bread it wants.

  10. BF – What in blue blazez are you rambling on about?

    Have you ever actually listened to yourself? You sound like a complete idiot! Don’t get me wrong here, I have read some of your past ramblings and a few, well very few, start to sound almost intelligent.

    What we are all talking about here is what are we going to do about our country. Do we just sit back and let the world roll over us, or do we stand up and be counted. Read what I have written. No government can ever be perfect, however the fathers of our country have devised the best form of government yet! All you ever preach is nothing. If we all do nothing then anyone can walk all over us. You know in your heart that is not right.

    “If you don’t stand for something, then you will fall for anything!”

  11. G. A. Rowe said

    BF – What in blue blazez are you rambling on about?

    Exactly what I was thinking about everyone on this thread.

    “Let’s get active in government that is so over-active its already fatally sick!”

    Anyone really think about this?

    Have you ever actually listened to yourself?

    Every day.

    You sound like a complete idiot!

    Why, thank you!

    Given that an ‘idiot’ comes from old French meaning “doesn’t have a government job”, I’ll take your insult…as a compliment!
    :)

    What we are all talking about here is what are we going to do about our country.

    What ‘we’???

    How do you know what I want? How do you know what anyone wants? Why do you think your plan is a plan 100% of the rest of America wants?

    Indeed, you’re simply egotistical. You believe you know how to manage the lives of 300 million people.

    You have to be able to do this to take back the country – because you’re taking it back from someone else, right?

    Taking it back from other people who think like you – that they know what is right for 300 million people.

    …except, they don’t, since you don’t agree. But don’t you think that they might not agree with you?

    Do we just sit back and let the world roll over us, or do we stand up and be counted.

    Mindless jingoism.

    Go do your job – make a living servicing others or building wealth. That will be doing more for your country than any voting every did.

    Read what I have written. No government can ever be perfect, however the fathers of our country have devised the best form of government yet!

    Let’s be clear. This is not their form of government – that was destroyed a long time ago, well over 200 years ago.

    Democracy is, by far, the worse form of government and by far the very most dangerous.

    It has diffuse responsibility – with the pretending that democracy is the ‘people’, no one person accepts responsibility for the actions of the government. How many people got fired for 9/11? How many got fired for the economic debacle? Zero. No one is responsible because “everyone” is responsible.

    It has unlimited justification to do evil. The “majority” voted for it, therefore it is ‘right’.

    With no responsibility and no restraint on action, the greatest horrors on earth will come from the fists of democracy – remember, it was a democracy that actually used atomic weapons.

    All you ever preach is nothing.

    Not true.

    I’m simply saying your effort is pushing a string – utterly pointless.

    Do your job, and do it well. You will do more for the country than anything else you could possibly imagine with government.

    If we all do nothing then anyone can walk all over us. You know in your heart that is not right.

    Who is the ‘anyone’ you’re referring to? Why would the walk? From Where to Where?

    “If you don’t stand for something, then you will fall for anything!”

    You have no fear there. You’re already head over heals falling for activist government and you’re still preaching for more!

  12. I see a lot of “evil liberals did this” or “stupid conservatives did that” but not much realization that the fascistic liberals and the socialistic conservatives are two sides of the same cow patty.

    In the same comment where some “liberal” offense is decried, a “conservative” offense is promoted. Open BOTH eyes.

  13. Regretfully I disagree with the statement that Americans feel that way toward Washington. Obama’s approval is at 59%!! Only 25% feel he is doing a poor job.
    And 16% are undecided. So only a quarter of Americans are feeling outrage right now. With a cabinet filled with crooks and extremists, a pork filled spending bill, the market in a death spiral, the majority of Americans still BELIEVE he will fix all our problems. Reality, we are the vocal minority.
    Congress has a 31% approval rating. Break that down by party lines and you will find about 80% of the Democrats are happy with our current mess. I have had extensive debates with two progressives for several years. Even when I can prove a belief or statement of theirs to be false, they are unmoved. And their belief is like that of a religious zealot, question it at your peril.

    • Illusion,

      While I agree that not everyone has come to view the chosen one as bad, I think my statement was right on the mark. It isn’t about Obama. His gift of Gab will keep him popular. On the other hand, Congress has a 26% approval rating according to Rasmussen, up from 14% two months ago. 31% according to your source. Either way, people aren’t happy with Congress. People aren’t happy with Washington. They like Obama and elected him because he vowed to change the Washington they so much dislike. It wasn’t just about Bush and the Republicans, people voted for Washington done a different way, that was his promise.

  14. BlackFlag –

    I know that you will outlogic me on this…but I have to ask: you replied to GA Rowe,

    “How do you know what I want? How do you know what anyone wants? Why do you think your plan is a plan 100% of the rest of America wants?”

    No one knows what everyone wants, because no one wants the exact same thing. But that also means that not everyone wants to ignore government, as you propose. I would guess that if everyone does what he wants, some will ignore government and await its collapse, while others will strive to change it. Not everyone is content or certain that government will fade into that good night. Those who are not willing to wait hope to exact change (bad pun – sorry)within the government.

    Regards,

    Rowe

  15. Rowe

    But that also means that not everyone wants to ignore government, as you propose.

    I agree.

    Strangely, people who wouldn’t think to use violence to forward their goals and dreams don’t think twice about using legal violence to forward some politicians dream.

    Those who are not willing to wait hope to exact change (bad pun – sorry)within the government.

    Yep. Lots of people engage in futile actions. Can’t stop them, that’s for sure.

    But its not a problem if it was only them. Don’t care if my neighbor digs a hole, fills it, and digs it out again – day in and day out. I (shrug).

    But the day he demands that I need to help him, and he threatens me if I don’t… then we have a problem.

    So, I couldn’t really care if all these guys wanted to play marbles and were debating what color of marble rolls the best.

    But they aren’t. They are talking about using violence to force me to abide by their insanity.

    And their insanity will only make the current monstrosity only worse. It is in my best interest that they fail – because if they win, the monster will get even bigger – and if they try and lose, they monster will get even bigger. They need to FAIL – that is, not even get in the door.

    Then the monster may start to shrink.

    • BF,

      You have this constant mantra that by participating in the system we feed the monster and therefore it grows. It is your belief that the government, as soon as Americans decided to ignore it loses its power and dies. I have postulated that this is not true. Can you give an example of a time in history where the people ignored the government and it simply died and went away as you seem to believe that it will do. I see a history with no examples of a time where not having some form of government worked. I also do not see a history of a time where your version of a “solution” has worked. Do you have any or is this theory that government will simply lose power and go away just a hair-brained theory?

  16. “It’s never been tried before” means it should never BE tried? Things have changed in the past decade or two; things that wouldn’t have worked before, might work now.

  17. BF,

    If Government is so bad – say like a pack of hungry alligators – and it will just disappear if ignored . . . Then I suggest that you conduct an experiment by standing in the midst of a pack of hungry alligators and just ignore them and see if they just go away.

    Government is just like a pack of hungry alligators. Ignore it and you will become alligator feces.

    Our forefathers designed a government system that “we the people” could control, only thing is that “we the people” need to be proactive in controlling our government. We haven’t been doing that, and that is the reason we are in the mess we are in today.

    Should we continue to ignore our government the mess will only increase, not decrease.

    I think that you, BF, fear government. You are letting that fear control you by trying to run away from your fear. Try controlling your fear by facing it head on. It is perfectly normal to be afraid, but the mark of a man (or woman) is to not let fear control you but to control your fear.

    Only you know what you want as an individual. However, we humans have become social animals, meaning that we group together for mutual protection – first in families, then tribes, then cities and now countries. We form governments to provide adherence and make common rules agreed upon by and for the good of the majority. Not all of us like all of the common rules, but we agree to live by them because we know they are for the common good of all.

    Your wish for no government – ie no rules at all – is not logical.

  18. “Your wish for no government – ie no rules at all – is not logical”

    That is the big mistake: that government equals rules and without government there are no rules. And your second mistake is believing that is what anarchists want: no rules. You couldn’t possibly be more wrong. Rules; not Rulers. The reality is that government exempts itself from the rules it enforces on the rest of the people. Government is chaos.

    I would no sooner stand in the middle of a pack of hungry alligators than stand around trying to get the attention of the parasites of government. Either action is stupid. However…. If you are surrounded by hungry alligators and “ignore” them by refusing to feed them, refusing to keep their swamp filled, and yet either avoid detection by their reptile brains or defend yourself when they attempt to eat you, the survivors will starve to death after they eat one another.

    “for the common good of all”

    No such thing, although that is the excuse for all sorts of atrocities committed by government.

  19. revolution2010 says:

    Ten people who speak make more noise than 10,000 who are silent. Napoleon Bonaparte

    USWeapon,
    I absolutely agree with you on this. I am glad that you spoke of the Congressional approval rating, as that is exactly what my response was going to be as well. Washington is a cesspool of bureaucratic agenda funding power mongers. They need to be systematically fired as the elections come up.
    First, let me say that I feel very at home in this post because of my moniker, thank you. Second, let me also say that I have already decided to run for office myself because of the lack of responsible leadership. I actually have spent the last couple of weeks formulating a plan I think might work and I would love everyone’s help punching holes in it so I can troubleshoot.
    I am probably going to run at the State Delegate level as that is the highest office I would be comfortable with at this early stage and without the funds that I am willing to personally spend or prostitute my, rather your vote for. I have gotten together some district and precinct maps of my state and started looking through them.
    I am going to have to visit every house in my district and speak to all of the people to make any headway, as I am sure the main stream media can only be combated by being ignored. (Ignored by me instead of them ignoring me…, which would also probably happen as well.)
    The way I see it, while I am campaigning, as I believe that most Americans just want a normal Joe now since they have seen what hiring politicians will do; I intend to put together precinct captains. These people will basically be in charge of their neighborhoods. I will be able to get the word out to perhaps one hundred people who can then reach thousands and keep my name and values in their ears. Regardless of whether or not I win, I intend to keep the precinct captains in the know and well informed about the dealings of state and local government.
    I would urge everyone to research your districts locally and become your own precinct captain for a group of concerned citizens who want to have their voice heard in government… or, if you are really pissed, run for office. I say again, ten people who speak make more noise than 10,000 who are silent.

  20. With you guys on the anger, working on solution ideas.

    BF, while I agree that revolution is not the answer, at least at this point, I find anger is a useful tool. Not everyone can or will handle things the way that you do, and not everyone, including myself, buys that your methods are effective. I certainly don’t buy that revolution, even using violence, is inneffective. History shows that it is risky, but it has often been effective. Risky doesn’t bother me that much, if it did, I wouldn’t be such a fan of the market. That said, I agree that violence is not the right path at this point.

    Kent, I think more people realize that the blame is universally to be laid at the feet of the government and the ignorance or complacency of most people, rather than at one party or the other. If it’s not obvious to all yet, its getting there.

    USW, great post, great blog. And nice usage of Battlestar Galactica explitives too. :)

  21. Karl from Esom Hill says:

    The problem with politics and Washington I believe is that it has too many politicians. What we need (but ain’t gonna git) is for normal small business owners and farmers to run for office. you know, people who don’t want to be in office. They would have a clearer understanding of the way things should be run. Gov should be run like a business since thats really all it is. If I ran my business in a financial hole like the government does I wouldn’t last very long. Politicians run government like there’s a bottomless well of money. Pork programs could be great if you acually had the money for them. WE DON”T! One of the knocks on Sarah Palin was that see was too folksy and not political enough. You mean, that was a BAD thing? Maybe if there were more folks in D.C. who lived in the real, as opposed to fantasy, world, more good might come from the government.

  22. I get really sick of people blaming the U.S. for “so-called” atrocities committed. RF – Yes, we used the nuclear bomb against Japan. Why did we use it? Well, hmm, let me see, Japan sneak-attacked us and killed our American soldiers, we could either invade Japan which would have caused an untold number of U.S. soldier casualties given the terrain or we could use our new bomb and end the war decisively. That’s a no-brainer for me. At the time, Japan was our ENEMY. In war, you either destroy your ENEMY or you yourself are destroyed. You must be a liberal hack to state that democracies are the highest form of evil. Go live under a dictatorship for a while and see how you like it.

    The bottom line is that the federal government is not given the authority by the Constitution to do the things it is currently doing (You remember that little piece of parchment don’t you?? The one that is shredded down the middle right now?? Come on, you have to remember it!!)

    We are either a Constitutional Republic or we are not – plain and simple. There are two soldiers in Iraq right now who have just come forward to demand proof of their Commander-in-Chief’s compliance with the Constitution of the United States. The brush fires are lit. Anyone in Fort Worth, TX needs to come to the Fort Worth Tea Party this Friday on Camp Bowie Drive at the Cowtown.

  23. Rev1010 – “the main stream media can only be combated by being ignored.”

    Why would such a strategy work with the mainstream media but not with the parasites of government? Not saying you are wrong in your approach, and I realize you were not the one most recently decrying that strategy. As long as you did not advocate using government to violate the rights of any individual, I would probably support you even if I didn’t vote.

  24. Ignoring the media means not believing what they say. I have advocated the same for government for some time. Ignoring what they do, however, is another matter. They have too much power to be ignored, they must be combatted. The media only has power to influence, thus ignoring them is all that is necessary to combat them.

  25. Black Flag says:

    USWeapon said

    You have this constant mantra that by participating in the system we feed the monster and therefore it grows. It is your belief that the government, as soon as Americans decided to ignore it loses its power and dies.

    10,000 years of history – not once, I repeat, not once – has government shrunk by the activities of those inside the system.

    For the last 10,000 years, (with the exception of a hundred years after the fall of the Rome Empire) government has grown relentlessly, so now that it completely covers the entire world (and a part of outer space).

    Government exists solely on legitimacy – that is its only difference from a criminal mob.

    Once the people remove the legitimacy, government will collapse into a criminal mob. Then the people will deal with them like they will deal with any criminal.

    No amount of MORE government action, as you prescribe, can solve the problem of TOO MUCH government. The MORE you do the more government you get. It is a one-way street.

    I have postulated that this is not true. Can you give an example of a time in history where the people ignored the government and it simply died and went away as you seem to believe that it will do.

    Fall of the Roman Empire.

    One day, the tax collector found he was unable to collect his tax – and this time, there was no army to support him. The people ignored him (and sometimes simply killed him).

    Government, as we know it, disappeared throughout most of Europe.

    I see a history with no examples of a time where not having some form of government worked.

    Nearly every action you personally make in your daily activity is an example of ‘no government’ working. Look in the mirror.

    There are a few examples of “no” government (Ancient Iceland, Apache,etc.)- BUT as I’ve already explained, as long as the profit from violence is very high, government will exist.

    Simply, the better organized the violence, the greater the profit (and safety from the consequences of using this violence) becomes.

    Government, with its organization and bureaucracy, creates a formidable entity of violence – and by maintaining the illusion of legitimacy, protects its violence from the natural outrage of the people.

    As long as the people believe government has a right to steal and kill, government is protected from the instinctual self-defense right of the people.

    I also do not see a history of a time where your version of a “solution” has worked. Do you have any or is this theory that government will simply lose power and go away just a hair-brained theory?

    Theory, yes.

    Hair-brained, no.

    Examples, as I’ve stated before, from history of when the individual improves his ability to resist government by his ability to use new weapons is when human freedom expands.

    People are at constant war against government.

    Government destroys freedom. The people battle to recover it back.

    Today, the confluence of a great number of factors that have never existed before in history may create the conditions for individuals to rid themselves of government.

    Today, a single man can resist the economic destruction of government – by commanding wealth equal or greater than nations.

    Today, a single man can use such weapons and tactics that effectively hobble the greatest military in history, and potentially command a weapon system on par with nuclear armed nations.

    Today, a single man can communicate to hundreds of millions of people – instantly and nearly for free – his ideas, thoughts and philosophy.

    I cannot say that everyone will free themselves – for example, you do not want to be free from government.

    I can say that a few will free themselves and hold with them the ability to maintain and enforce their individual sovereignty on par with nations-states.

    G. A. Rowe

    If Government is so bad – say like a pack of hungry alligators – and it will just disappear if ignored . . . Then I suggest that you conduct an experiment by standing in the midst of a pack of hungry alligators and just ignore them and see if they just go away.

    No, because I know the difference between a mindless animal and a human entity of violence.

    Government is just like a pack of hungry alligators. Ignore it and you will become alligator feces.

    No, just like an alligator, I just move out of the way and continue to ignore it.

    But FOR SURE, I don’t think I can wrestle with it, try to negotiate with it, or try to ‘change’ its’ nature. I know what it is, and leave it alone. It will leave me alone (most of the time).

    Our forefathers designed a government system that “we the people” could control, only thing is that “we the people” need to be proactive in controlling our government. We haven’t been doing that, and that is the reason we are in the mess we are in today.

    How do you think you are able to control the government?

    You are working with faulty beliefs. The founders (primarily Jefferson) knew that a broadly dispersed power was the best way to avoid tyranny.

    He fought against centralization of power – because such centralization would be make it impossible for anything to control government – it would be a leviathan and simply too large to manage.

    Jefferson lost when the Constitution was created. The seeds to the end of “These United States of America” was created – and after Lincoln, it was gone.

    You can see it in the language: before Lincoln, it was “These United States….” After Lincoln, it was “THE United States….”

    Should we continue to ignore our government the mess will only increase, not decrease.

    Participation creates consent.

    Your wish for no government – ie no rules at all – is not logical.

    Re-read Kent.

    Calf Roper

    I get really sick of people blaming the U.S. for “so-called” atrocities committed.

    “So called”??

    Actually, they are atrocities – and the first step in stopping them is acknowledging them.

    Yes, we used the nuclear bomb against Japan. Why did we use it? Well, hmm, let me see, Japan sneak-attacked us and killed our American soldiers, we could either invade Japan which would have caused an untold number of U.S. soldier casualties given the terrain or we could use our new bomb and end the war decisively.

    There is not one factual evidence that would be true.

    The Japanese were pleading for surrender terms starting back in 1944.

    The dropping of the bomb did not stop the war. It was the Allies accepting the only term that the Japanese wanted since 1944 to surrender – do not depose or humilate the Emperor.

    When MacArthur finally accepted this one condition, the Japanese surrendered.

    That’s a no-brainer for me. At the time, Japan was our ENEMY. In war, you either destroy your ENEMY or you yourself are destroyed.

    The purpose of war is to force your enemy to submit.

    To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.

    To capture the enemy’s entire army is better than to destroy it; to take intact a regiment, a company, or a squad is better than to destroy them. For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the supreme of excellence. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence.”
    – Sun Tzu quotes

    It is telling and sad that there are so many people who believe and support genocide of peoples – out and out murder of innocent people – under the guise of war.

    You must be a liberal hack to state that democracies are the highest form of evil. Go live under a dictatorship for a while and see how you like it.

    You live under one right now, you just can’t recognize it yet.

    Democracy is the worse form of government – it marries diffuse responsibility (“no one is responsible, we are all responsible” with unlimited justification (“majority rules” – if the majority wants it, it must be ‘right’).

    With no responsibility and unlimited justification, the greatest horrors will be delivered from its hands.

    The bottom line is that the federal government is not given the authority by the Constitution to do the things it is currently doing (You remember that little piece of parchment don’t you?? The one that is shredded down the middle right now?? Come on, you have to remember it!!)

    The SCOTUS disagrees with you, and has disagreed with you for over 200 years.

  26. Black Flag says:

    (Sorry for the double post – readability again… delete the first one if you can…)

    • never a problem BF. As long as I know which one you want deleted it takes just the click of one button to do so. If I see two that say the same thing I usually try to use common sense to determine which one should remain.

  27. revolution2010 says:

    Kent,
    That is an excellent question. A small government is a good thing. I respect your anarchy I just don’t believe we are ready for that. I don’t know that we will ever be. The major problem I have with Anarchy is the lack of organization.
    When we won our freedom from the British, there was indeed a period of Anarchy. We didn’t sign and ratify the Constitution the next day, as I am sure you are well aware. There is a reason they decided once free that government was indeed a necessary evil. A Constitutional Republic was and is the best choice. When you read the Federalist papers, there is quite a bit of talk about the fact that the land mass and it’s current inhabitants would be far better protected if they were unified against takeover from other nations; That concern is no different than today.
    There was talk about the different states coming together regionally to create small distinct confederacies and the reason they opposed that was because of the weakness it created as opposed to the strength of the whole of the territory being united. Please take note however; the national government was subservient in a sense to the States. No one wants to mess with the biggest guy in the bar (except maybe USWeapon, but he is confident that he is quicker and stealthier anyway… and he is right) but if you see a scrawny, pale and feeble man, it is much easier to claim his beer as your own. That is my biggest beef with Anarchy.
    There should be a separation of Church and State, the Constitutional Republic should protect everyone’s rights and the government should be responsible for taking care of things that cannot be managed by free enterprise, which in my opinion is not much with the major exception of Military. The U.S. Government should be handing more control over to the States and slowly (that is a key word!) we should replace government programs with similar more efficient and effective programs run by private citizens. Another of the biggest problems with the United States of America was the fact that regionally, just as in today, we have many different concerns. The mid-west are farmers, the North-east is Industrial… etc, etc, which makes even more of the argument that the States need to be able to handle their local government in a way that is most beneficial to their territory while still supporting the national government in the efforts of securing the entire nations safety.
    As to your question of the difference between the media and the government… the media does not make the laws that restrict my freedom. They may manipulate my viewpoints to fund their own personal agendas but they do not make law. I cannot ignore the government as that is, what has landed us in the mess we are in now. Government in any form is an evil but necessary thing. The citizens of ANY government must be diligent enough to continually watch it; like a marshmallow over the campfire… there is but nanoseconds between perfectly toasted and up in flames!

    • Revolution,

      That was hysterical. I am beginning to age though, I might not be as quick as I was once. But I figure still quick enough. I would much rather, however, to share a beer with big sumbitch and laugh at dirty jokes!

      Great comment by the way. I think you really nailed the direction that we need to be going and some of the realities that will face us along the way. States are supposed to have a lot more control than they do and the Federal government is supposed to have A LOT less. Kent I understand that sentiment about “necessary evil”, but it is semantics at that point. I tend to think of government as necessary, but not evil. And the form we were given has been the best step forward to date. You don’t have to reinvent the wheel just because it tends to break, you just build a better version of the wheel. Government is the same. The Constitutional Republic is the best design of a wheel thus far, the circle is far better than the square or triangle. Now we just need to build a better Constitutional Republic that doesn’t break as easily. The founders were brilliant, but we have those brilliant people among us now too. We can do better, and we will do better, because regardless of BlackFlag’s claims, we don’t have a choice.

  28. Black Flag says:

    “The major problem I have with Anarchy is the lack of organization.”

    Au contraire, madam!

    Check out “Rinkonomics”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6048937&page=1

    http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2006/Kleinorder.html

  29. “if you see a scrawny, pale and feeble man, it is much easier to claim his beer as your own. That is my biggest beef with Anarchy”

    But isn’t that what the reality of any government is? Government is the bully stealing your beer, because government says you owe him that beer. Government is backed up by armed thugs standing behind him to make certain you hand the beer over peacefully, without resisting.

    Organization works best when it evolves from the “bottom up” rather than when it is imposed “top down”. Systems naturally organize to be the most efficient possible; something no bureaucracy can ever do. “Self-organizing complexity” is a feature of any complex system.

    The “constitutional republic” was tried and it didn’t work to protect the rights of the individual. Would it work next time? I don’t know, but why keep trying the same failed experiment over and over?

  30. Black Flag says:

    Majority Of U.S. States Join Sovereignty Movement, Assert 10th Amendment Rights

    Here are a list of states who have passed or proposed bills to affirm 10th Amendment rights.

    2009: Arkansas – 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

    2009: Arizona – 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment

    1994: California – 10th Amendment

    1995/96: Georgia – 10th Amendment

    2009: Georgia – 10th Amendment

    2009: Kansas – 10th Amendment

    1997/98: Louisiana – Sovereignty Constitutional Amendment

    2009: Michigan – 10th Amendment

    2009: Minnesota – 10th Amendment

    2009: Missouri – Freedom of Choice Act (Abortion), 10th Amendment

    2009: Montana – 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, 2nd Amendment

    2009: New Hampshire – 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Federal Reserve, Taxes, Martial Law, 2nd Amendment, Draft/War, Patriot Act, Labor Camps, 1st Amendment

    2008: Oklahoma – 10th Amendment, (Other Legislation: No Child Left Behind, Real ID Act)

    2009: Oklahoma – 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

    2009: South Carolina – 9th Amendment, 10 Amendment, Martial Law and Related, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment

    2009: Tennessee – 10th Amendment

    2009: Texas – 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

    2009: Utah – Real ID Act

    2009: Washington – 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: Alabama – 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: Alaska

    * 1994: Colorado – 10th Amendment

    * 1995: Florida – 10th Amendment

    * Proposed [HJM RS18517]: Idaho – 10th Amendment

    * 2009: Indiana – 10th Amendment

    * 2009: Iowa – 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: Maine

    * Proposed: Nevada

    * Proposed: Ohio – 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: Pennsylvania – 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: Virginia – 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: West Virginia – Same As New Hampshire

    Republic of Lakotah – Full Independence

    Hawaii – Full Independence

    * Some are not verified with the actual state and may have not yet been proposed or passed in the state.

    (from http://newworldliberty.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/majority-of-us-states-join-sovereignty-movement-assert-10th-amendment-rights/)

  31. Oh, and I don’t believe in the myth of “the necessary evil”. If it is evil; it is not necessary except as a way to increase the evil in the world. Evil might be convenient or expedient, but it is never necessary.

  32. kentmcmanigal said
    February 24, 2009 at 11:36 pm
    “It’s never been tried before” means it should never BE tried? Things have changed in the past decade or two; things that wouldn’t have worked before, might work now.

    ________________________________________________________________________________

    Why not try some things that have been proven to work? Mights (mites) grow on a chickens ass, now is not the time for experimentation…but unfortunately we are going to be lab rats for this one…

  33. I think the problem is that the “wheel” is pentagonal, not round. Just barely serviceable, but nowhere near optimal. I’d rather have a hovercraft anyway. Look how many problems come along strictly because of the wheels and tires.

  34. Terry – What you call “proven to work” I see as “proven failures”. TomAYtoe – tomAHtoe.

  35. revolution2010 says:

    Kent,
    How do you solve the military issues… you never addressed that part?

  36. What “military issues”? A standing army is illegal under the Constitution; a militia is not. One requires financing through theft (called “taxation”), the other does not.

  37. I truely believe revolution is the only viable solution for the mess the the great one has befallen us with. The problem with revolution, as some of you have mentioned is that is is not normally as organized as it should be. Therefore if a revolution occurs, we would be extremely vonerable to attack and takeover by a third party. That is why I believe there needs to be an organized effort from the beginning. i.e. There needs to be a group of people that are qualified to lead us through what will certainly be very rough and trying times. But that group needs to have the support of the people and the military of malitia if you will. It needs to be swift and concise.

    I know this may seem radical to some, but I truely don’t see any other way to stop this runaway train of spending and rights crushing that is happening now in Washington.

    Some of you say that in 2010 we will vote those people out and that will solve tha problem. But look at the speed at which this government is forcing their policies through. Do you think we can survive that long. We are spending money we don’t have at a rate that is unpresidented. Most of us can’t even fathom how much money this truely is. Do you really know how my money a Trillion is?? And Obeyme is spending trillions like we $20s.

  38. US-W, et al. Hate to be the one to rain on the revolution parade but if you are all talking armed revolt we don’t stand a chance. That doesn’t mean we ever concede the possibility because the bad guys must always fear we might do it at any time and we should make sure they feel the anger is near the break point.

    The big difference between us and our founders is we already have the constitutional framework and the elected officials, while they may want to ignore us, have to go home once in a while. Even without the Constitution our founders gave the King and parliament several chances to fix the problem. In my mind we have only one peaceful solution possible here, that is amendment of the constitution to plub the holes and strip the power away from the loons.

    We can not count on getting enough sympathetic senators and congressmen elected to do this in two years. We might be able to get 2/3 of the legislatures however. They are much more suceptible to pursuasion by the local folks. Some states may even allow for citizen initiatives to amend the state charters to allwo citizen call for the constitutional convention.

    US: there are smart folks who are looking into helping. I met with a constitutional law professor a couple weeks ago about this topic. He had reached the same conclusion. I asked, and he agreed to look at, building a group of amendments that could be taken to the states. The only weak link in this is making sure our people are selected to the convention and that the final amendments only go far enough to break the power base and not freak out the entire US population.

    Meanwhile, we need to start raising the temp in the population and making sure it is being noticed. Have some plans in works and will get you details later on this.

    I agree that we need to move faster than the ideal will allow. Unless they screw up entirely we won’t get enough like minded folks into congress in 2 years and probably not 4. That is why I think the state approach is most feasible.

    The progressives already have their local infrastructure in place and we will need to be very creative and determined to disrupt this.

  39. Crimsonjihad says:

    This is probably going to wander all over the place, but I’ll try and keep it organized.

    First: I ask people who have actually served in the military. With our current military(active) personal, if there was a citizen uprising(revolution), how many military personal would support it or try and put it down? They have sworn an oath to protect the country against foreign and domestic threats. The government would say the uprising is illegal and then use the military to suppress it. However, how many soldiers would actually believe this? How many would fight for fixing the government?

    Second: To Blackflag. You raise many good points, but in my eyes, fail to communicate a reasonable fix. You say to let government fail and people rule themselves. This is all fine and dandy, till someone does something wrong. Let’s say, I steal (or borrow, for a joy-ride) your Magnum SRT-8. You ask me not to do it again. I do it again. Why did I do it in the first place? There are laws in place saying I can’t. There are consequences if I do it. Who is going to enforce these rules? At some point, talk fails. If I want something badly enough, and there isn’t anything to keep me from doing it, why wouldn’t I? Add to this, let’s say I wreck your car or injure someone in the process. Who is going to hold me responsible? A council? What right do they have? Who’s given them authority?
    You also like to bring up the violence argument. I agree that the government definitely uses violence to get its way and it wants to keep its monopoly on violence. However, as history proves, violence is a great tool. Not the best tool, but an effective tool. Why let government have its monopoly(which leads back to my first question, how would military deal with angry citizens, how much deadly force before the whole country would go?) Again, I come back to talk fails. We can sit around and chat all day about you’re not going to give me my car, but at the end of the day, if I can eliminate you and have your car, well, I have a car. Actions speak.
    I’m a little brain dead atm, so if this wandered or seems incoherent, I apologize. I don’t mean to attack anyone, but after reading this blog for awhile and seeing some of BF’s posts, it makes me curious. I had something else I wanted to mention but my brain fails me at this point. I’ll post again some other time if I can remember.

    • Attila from Galveston says:

      I am a US Marine and my duty is to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic-that could also include our government should they turn into a tyranny. That’s what our founding fathers put that in there for-so that the people run the government and are its masters-not the other way around as pelosi, reid and others would have you believe. They work for us! So to answer your question-we would fight for the Constitution against a corrupt government which was put in place to keep the government from getting too big and therefore put it in check.

      Attila Kane

  40. Crimsonjihad says:

    Ah, of course, remembered what I wanted to comment on after I hit the submit button.

    Going back to the violence issue, how many “representatives” would fall in line or no longer want the job, if we could actually hold them responsible? I know I sound like a violent guy, but again, violence works. I pull this from Lewis Black and I can’t quote cause I can’t find it and can’t be arsed at the moment to listen to all his albums. He is speaking about the outrageous spending that goes on in corporations(can liken this to government atm). He says he never could understand how the people of France could rise up and start taking people’s heads. But after seeing how money was being abused and the people left in it’s wake, he understood. If we got pissed off enough and start executing Senators, think others would perk up? Now I know this isn’t per say realistic, but how far away our we from losing our voice? That would make SOMEONE notice, I’m sure.

    Feel free to pick me apart, I’m just rambling at this point. Sorry if this isn’t the appropriate place to do this, but curious how far people would take this to be heard.

    P.S. To USWeapon, in case you’re wondering or don’t know, this is Cochetope. XBox wouldn’t let me use Crimsonjihad for some silly reason.

    • Crimson,

      I didn’t know it was you! But now I do so I will disregard your future posts. Just Kidding. I can tell you that if I were still serving i would not turn my weapon on defenseless Americans. I would also, at the point where I felt the government was crossing the line, relieve myself of serving them and join the mob. Soldiers aren’t mindless robots. OK, a few are, but most aren’t. They will make the moral choices most of the time. I know it doesn’t jive with BF’s version of “the truth” (which is completely uninformed and arbitrarily biased when it comes to the military) but most soldiers go out of their way to do as little harm to unarmed combatants as possible in other countries. I saw plenty of bad things out there, but I would never resort to hurting a civilian unless I was given no choice in order to protect my own life or that of my soldiers. The US military is one of the most humane of the modern military forces, and as such will usually strive to do the right thing. We have the right, as soldiers, to disobey any order that we deem to be unlawful.

  41. G. A. Rowe says:

    Crimson;

    I am a retired Marine. In answer to your question about what would the individual Military man/woman would do, I point to Civil War History. At first they stuck together – but not for long. After the South split, some of my ancestors split also. Some lived in the south, and some in the north. I have ancestors who actually fought against each other in some of the lesser known battles. I have an officers pistol from one of the Ohio regiments and a muzzle loading rifle from a Georgia infantryman, both authenticated and manufactured around 1850-51.

    There has been actual talk of splitting this country into three separate country’s. There is also some rumors floating around about some who are looking for an armed revolt – which I really do not like the sound of. Should either of these happen, I believe we will be in a case of history repeating itself, which is a worse case scenario no matter how you look at it.

    As for BF and Kent, I think they are both full of BS. Anarchy is not the answer to anything, and neither one has any kind of a grasp on reality.

    Finding a way of actually holding our national politicians accountable for the state of disarray we are now in sounds like the best plan to me, if only it could be done. I have long been a fan of abolishing political parties, and replacing the presidency with something like a five person council. A country as large and diverse as ours is just way too much power for one person to be saddled with. Something like one voted in each year so we would not be hit with such sudden and expensive changes as we are now. A single President worked in the beginning, but we need to adapt and modernize our Constitution to the realities of the 21st Century.

    It’s the wee hours of the morning for me right now, since I just finished doing my taxes today and my brain is still kind of mushy from that annual experience – Yes I have ideas on how to fix that problematic 500 pound gorilla in the room also – I think I will call it a night.

    • G.A. Rowe,

      Look for tomorrow’s post when I will talk about the “revolution” as I see it. I think you will find we are on the same page.

  42. Crimsonjihad,

    Some of the members of the military are already questioning whether they have to follow orders from the great one. They are filing lawsuits to find out once and for all if he was born in Kenya, which we all suspect but will probaly never know for sure. And these are officers filing the suits.

    The Oath I took to join the military was to protect the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. We if I ever saw an enemy of the constitution, it is Obama. It also says that I had to obey the orders of the president and all officers appointed over me. We that is where the question starts. If he is the enemy to the constitution, does the military have to follow his orders? I know the short answer is “Yes”, but the long legal answer may be different.

    Just my ranting and 2 cents worth.

    • Attila from Galveston says:

      I also do not trust obama-already upon taking the helm, he won’t use the term”war on terror”, is supported in happiness that he is in office by osama bin laden, irans president, the hamas and hezbollah, closed Gitmo, and as of today has quit referring to al-quiada as terrorists. Is that loud enough for people who don’t know of his agenda? I personally don’t trust him as he has had ties with rev jerkemiah wright, bill ayers, and islam-you put that cocktail together and come up with a conclusion that is not good for America. Just my strong beliefs as a Marine.

  43. It has been proven that tax rate cuts for businesses create jobs and increase tax revenues. The problem comes when the Congress sees more money, they go beserk and spend more than the increase can cover. This is neither a Republican nor Democrate problem…it is both. Personally I do not trust the government any longer. I am totally opposed to the massive spending that this new administration has enacted…

  44. revolution2010 says:

    JAC,
    You really have some good stuff going. I came to the conclusion a while ago that the largest part of the answer lies in local government. States are not to be bowing to the Feds the way the are. We need to get the radicals in place to re-gain the state powers and enforce the 10th Amendment.
    We have not come to the point of armed revolution. With the right choices for federal leadership, we can clean a lot of this up pretty quickly, but we will have to work quickly to keep the ship from listing any further. Once we are no longer taking on water, that is the time to continue work on reframing and realigning the powers of state and federal governments.
    I think a large part of this is going to have to be education. We are going to have to do it ourselves because the government doesn’t want you to know how the system was meant to work… there is too much power in that. While many people rightnow are feeling helpless, if they knew the way the government actually works, they have more power than they think.

  45. US-W: Our military is the most humane in human history, not just modern times. Remember how Alexander conquered Persia, Afganastan and Pakistan. He put local folks in charge along with his, and respected their local customs; after he lopped the heads off all those who posed real threats or were needed to make a point.

    Rowe: There have been alot of us talking about splitting for the past 30 years. Their are even Canadians who like the idea of reforming the northwest territroy as a nation, with Alaska added just for fun.

    The President doesn’t enact spending, it is congress. The president is powerful because they have shredded the constitution and at least have of us seem to crave a King, thus letting them get away with it. The office has way more power over our feelings of self worth and actual day to day lives than it supposed to.

    I would like to see some key strategic action items presented to get something real done. Things that we think must be accomplished as part of an overall strategy. For example:

    1. Place strong pressure on all elected officials who continue to undermine the constitution.

    2. Disrupt and if possible destroy the effectiveness of the progressive’s grass roots and media organizations.

    These are just two, we need more. From this flows tactical planning on how to get the goals accomplished. This would include things like the tea parties, marches and other fun things, like identifying and exposing subversives, aka Soros’ minions.

    P.S.: When faced with the moral dilemna of shooting their fellow citizens at Kent St., the national guard kids pulled the triggers. And I know that is an oversimplification because there wasn’t supposed to be live ammunition in those rifles, but there was…for some reason and by somebody. That is why I believe this whole thing has to be peaceful, but backed with the knowledge that open revolt is not just possible but probable. That is going to be the fine line we have to figure out how to walk.

  46. The greatest power “the people” have is as a juror. Never convict a person if the law is not regulating theft, fraud, or aggression. Never plea bargain; never plead guilty. Make it pointless for government to arrest anyone for counterfeit “laws” such as drug violations, gun “offenses”, tax “evasion”, or anything else that has no real victim. Regardless of the judge’s instructions, YOU have a 1000 year-old right and responsibility to judge the law as well as “guilt or innocence”. Find out more about your duty as a juror at fija.org

    • Attila from Galveston says:

      You are half correct. The 2 things people have the greatest power in this country is in the voter’s booth and as a juror. You have the power to set them free or no-regardless of the government’s thought upon the individual.

    • Attila from Galveston says:

      You are right-the 2 things a US citizen has as their greatest powers are 1. your vote, and 2. the jurer-you have the right to let them go or convict them regardless of the governments view of them.

  47. REV: I must have been working on comment while yours was posted. Would have saved me some typing. You nailed it, at least in part. Now, how do we organize to get done??? There are a lot of others out there. We all seem to be working on our own, which is good to some extent (hard to destroy the movement) but not as effective.

    By the way, has your child recovered from the Fever? How we forget that this affliction used to take so many children only a 100 years ago. I hope you are doing well.
    JAC

  48. Crimsonjihad

    However, how many soldiers would actually believe this? How many would fight for fixing the government?

    I think this depends on where the soldiers come from and where they are deployed. If Texans are deployed in Texas, none would fight Texans. If Texans were deployed in New York, and New York was deployed in Texas, I’d say quite a few would fight.

    Second: To Blackflag. You raise many good points, but in my eyes, fail to communicate a reasonable fix.

    There is no fix to government. It is, and always has been, and always will be, corrupt, horrific and evil. You can’t change it into a ‘nice guy’ – ever.

    And pretending you can (or worse pretending its something else) will only make it bigger, worse, and more evil and corrupt.

    You say to let government fail and people rule themselves. This is all fine and dandy, till someone does something wrong.

    We have government and people do things wrong – and often get away with it.

    However, if you want to see what happens, watch the TV show “What would you do?”.

    And all of your questions are answered by lots of books – and online material.

    Hans Hoppe has numerous articles addressing the details of your concern – rather than me re-typing his books, allow me to offer these links:

    http://www.mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae7_4_6.pdf

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/hoppe/hoppe16.html

    http://www.mises.org/journals/scholar/Hoppe.pdf

    His site:

    http://www.hanshoppe.com/

    If there is one part of private law, private defense, etc. we can discuss – but remember this is a blog and USWep does get tired of me witting my book here :)

    You also like to bring up the violence argument. I agree that the government definitely uses violence to get its way and it wants to keep its monopoly on violence. However, as history proves, violence is a great tool.

    I would say a “Profitable” tool.

    Not the best tool, but an effective tool. Why let government have its monopoly(which leads back to my first question, how would military deal with angry citizens, how much deadly force before the whole country would go?)

    Using violence is not the complete question.

    Kent and I are not pacifists (haven’t you visited his site and seen his picture – nearly every one has a rifle in his hand :) )

    Using violence against non-violent people is the outrage. Initiating violence is the outrage. Defending one’s self is a right

    terry

    It has been proven that tax rate cuts for businesses create jobs and increase tax revenues. The problem comes when the Congress sees more money,

    You are under the mistaken belief that tax is a monetary issue for government – it is not.

    Government funds itself from inflation, far more effectively and in far great amounts.

    Tax is a policy tool to manipulate the market.

    Rate cuts for some, rate increases for others, etc. is a matter of economic manipulation of the market place.

    When you understand this, you understand a lot about the role of taxes and why government does what it does with taxation.

    Just A Citizen

    US-W: Our military is the most humane in human history, not just modern times. Remember how Alexander conquered Persia, Afganastan and Pakistan. He put local folks in charge along with his, and respected their local customs; after he lopped the heads off all those who posed real threats or were needed to make a point.

    Yes, he did – and so did many other tyrants.

    But that does not prove the humanity of the US military.

    No more than I could claim I’m a nice guy simply because USWep is so evil. (He isn’t, just making a point).

    I am a nice guy because of what I do or do not do, not because of what someone else may or may not do. Hope that clarifies the fallacy of false justifications.

    The US military has killed millions of innocent people…. more then Khan and Alexander and the Crusades and Saladin, etc. combined. It is the killing of innocent people and the subsequent rationalization of collateral damage that makes it evil.

  49. There is a cold gale blowing outside. As long as I don’t open the door I feel not its stinging bite.

  50. Private police and fire departments that bill for services rendered, or each man for himself? Will my neighbours line up a bucket brigade if my house is burning? Who will maintain the water lines to the fire hydrants? Should everyone convert to a septic tank instead of city sewage? How are roads to be maintained? Should I have to pay a toll to the private repair company as I drive along a part of road under repair?

    If all forms of government cease to exist because we ignore it and do not pay taxes for infrastructure, then our lifestyles will regress to…what? After the collapse of Rome, the feudal system arose. Still a form of government with abuses. The natives in America prior to Europeans arriving still had a form of governance that used strength / violence to maintain order – I think I’d prefer the Powhatan lifestyle to the Aztecs’ or Cahoskias’.

    For government, I think not only term limits, but a requirement that each elected public official should have his salary related to how well his constituency thrives under his leadership. We have to have some infrastructure.

  51. Why are you under the impression that only government, through coercion (forced payments and forced compliance), can provide these things? Why do you consider this advance, returning to a free market system, a “regression”?

  52. Black Flag says:

    Rowe

    Private police and fire departments that bill for services rendered, or each man for himself?

    You forget that firemen and police were volunteers before government seized the services.

    Will my neighbours line up a bucket brigade if my house is burning?

    They did in the past, they would do it in the future.

    They don’t do it today because they are told by their government to get out of the way.

    Who will maintain the water lines to the fire hydrants?

    Those that depend on customers who need water.

    Should everyone convert to a septic tank instead of city sewage?

    Why? You pay for it now, don’t you?

    How are roads to be maintained? Should I have to pay a toll to the private repair company as I drive along a part of road under repair?

    Why not?

    Or, as always happens, the free market will find a way to deliver a service optimally and conveniently.

    After the collapse of Rome, the feudal system arose.

    No, not quite.

    After the fall of Rome, most of Europe fell into freedom – and a form of anarchy.

    Farms that were abandoned because the owners could not pay the Roman tax had gone fallow and back to the wild.

    With the fall of Rome, and the extinctions of tax collectors, these old farms became re-populated, and turned into production. This period represented one of the greatest and fastest increases in human prosperity at that time of history.

    Global cooling hit a hundred years later, and caused massive crop failure and famine – and that is what instigated the feudal system.

    I’d prefer the Powhatan lifestyle to the Aztecs’ or Cahoskias’.

    For me, it would be the Apache.

  53. revolution2010 says:

    JAC,
    The scarlet fever is gone; fortunately we have good antibiotics now. My youngest has a reoccurring ear infection though… if it isn’t one thing… but they are strong boys and they will be fine, I appreciate your concern… Thank you for asking.
    As to the question of how we organize the localities, we need to look at a couple things. People in this day and age are inherently lazy, or perhaps just worn down, either way, it needs to be easy for them to participate and with the exception of the few of us who are passionate about it, we need to bring the bus line right to their front door. Like the government should be, it must be effective, efficient and easy to play along.
    The precinct idea is important; we should be able to find one person per neighborhood to captain the precinct. They will have to do more work and setting up the system will me the most arduous, but I envision a point where a weekly email chain can update everyone on pertinent local, state and Federal issues.
    Just like gun rights, we need to have the threat of the view that the politicians are being watched to keep them in line. I am afraid the Lib Party may not be able to get it done in the next couple of elections and the trick is really to try and move the thinking into the right space of liberty fighting as opposed to agenda fighting. We can all agree on liberties as they are laid out pretty well in the Constitution, more for clarity sake than anything, they should be obvious. (With the exception of the freak fringes of course!)
    We also need to get some discussion groups going on how the government works. People feel helpless because they believe it is hard to affect change. Paying attention is really all we need to do to vote local government into or out of office according to their agenda. If they vote for the wishes of their constituents, they stay. If they vote against their constituent’s wishes and support their party’s agendas or campaign contributors they should be voted out. The biggest challenge is getting that info into the hands of the voters in an easy and concise manner.

  54. Kent and BF:

    My questions were not rhetorical or sarcastic. I am trying to understand your views of how life would function in anarchy. I mistakenly used a period instead of a question mark to end my last line about having infrastructure. I asked the questions because I am trying to understand how your views would work, given then significant changes in society since the Industrial Revolution.

    I abbreviated history for the sake of not writing a textbook…the mini iceage was a major contributor to the once self-sufficient farming/fishing Scandinavian villagers taking to the seas to raid, pillage, and plunder throughout Europe, down the Seine and across the Danube. They were hungry, went looking for food, and got a “bit” carried away. Poor peasants had to band together under those with more strength and defensible positions – beginnings of what developed into the classical medieval feudal system, which became more prevalent after Charlemagne. A type of feudal system was in place by the time of the Merovingians…but I digress.

  55. Rowe

    My questions were not rhetorical or sarcastic.

    Don’t worry – I think I can speak for Kent on this – you have to work really hard to insult us to a point we become angry.

    We’ve been here before – and we also understand that our position on topics of government, politics, violence and freedom are very uncommon.

    I think USWep is very lucky to have two anarchist hunting on his blog. He can thank Kent – Kent made a great recommendation of USWep on his own blog – and I can say Kent was right on every point.

    At least we try to make it interesting – maybe one idea may catch – and …well, who knows?

    I am trying to understand your views of how life would function in anarchy.

    Though I posted this on another thread here … a repeat here may help a bit.

    (I do not condone initiation of violence, ever….)

    http://www.tooshocking.com/videos/6041/Fans_Get_Even_With_Riot_Police

    So, review this clip again.

    Some non-violent fool interrupts a game of soccer.

    The police chase him down – and while holding him down with 5 officers – one starts pounding him in the kidneys with the point of a riot stick.

    A soccer play can’t stand the brutality and decides – by himself – to stop it.

    He is assaulted by another policeman after his initial rush. He is ready to fight back while outnumber 6 to 1 by the police.

    With the example of one free man who refuses to accept the violence, the crowd reacts – IN FAVOR of the the soccer player.

    The police, suddenly overwhelmed, bail.

    One policeman is cold-cocked and collapses unconscious to the ground.

    The crowd begins to assault him – defenseless – while his buddies (the other cops) run for cover.

    The same crowd that refused to witness the violence of the police begin to refuse the violence on the fallen policeman – a group surrounds him on the ground and push away the angry mob.

    The mob stops pounding the policeman.

    A group of leaders out of the crowd begins calming the crowd – and it ends –

    …no guns. No death. No gunships. No army.

    People, on their nature, are horrified by violence. They react – overreact – and are pulled back – naturally because they are human.

    I asked the questions because I am trying to understand how your views would work, given then significant changes in society since the Industrial Revolution.

    The Industrial Revolution was created and created components of the concepts of the “Free Market Place”.

    It was one of the first time in history where commerce was not overtly commanded by the power of government.

    And what an explosion of wealth!

    Imagine the wealth increase if the economy and the people were truly free

    They were hungry, went looking for food, and got a “bit” carried away.

    Very true.

    As I stated, the profit of violence is very high.

    It is not surprising that violence, therefore, is/was a common means of obtaining resources.

    Your history, abridged, is accurate enough.

    As long as violence is profitable – it will be used to obtain resources.

    The more organized the violence, the more efficient – and less risk to the violence makers – it becomes.

    When violence becomes legitimate, you have government. When the sheep believe the wolf has a right to slaughter them, the risk to the wolf is nearly completely mitigated.

    However, when the sheep are learn/able to resist the wolf – they become free.

    The economics of violence does foretell the future (and explain the past) of human society.

    It takes a paradigm shift – a step into the unknown – to grasp a future where violence becomes unprofitable.

    Humans knew such a world – the pre-historic nomads. We will know a different world where violence becomes as unprofitable as investing in Enron. ;)

    • BF,

      I do count myself lucky for ALL those on here with opinions different than my own. As Kent could attest, I have thanked him several times in comments on his blog. The key to learning is discussion with people who have a different point of view. It will either change your position or galvanize it. Either way it is a win/win. While you are sometimes frustrating and we disagree on many things, I appreciate the conversations and the different points of view. Now if I could just get you to conceded just one point…..

  56. Rowe – No one can predict exactly how everything will be done once society is free again. This is because complex systems naturally develop spontaneous order. If you are seriously interested in my answers, I have written thousands (and thousands) of words regarding my ideas of possible solutions on my blog. (kentmcmanigal.blogspot.com) There is also The On Line Freedom Academy as a resource for learning how to get ready to live without external government.

    Yes, we need infrastructure. Government shows over and over again how poorly it provides and maintains infrastructure. Let the free market provide it. There will come a day when people will be shocked that we ever settled for government roads.

  57. Black Flag says:

    Now if I could just get you to conceded just one point…..

    …yeah, once the Mountains moved to Mohammad …once
    8)

  58. BF and US,

    You guys are too funny sometimes. I think that I would like to get involved in what revolution is talking about. I have said before I am not a leader but I follow very well. I want to get involved with one of these tea parties I keep hearing about and other venues that may be a springboard to change. Lord knows we need to do something. Any ideas on what I can do on a local level to help?

  59. Black Flag,

    I have to admit that after reading all of your blogs, you actually start to make some sort of sense. I’m not sure if you’re just a really good blogger, or if you’re ideas hold merit. I’ll have to think on it awhile.

  60. Attila from Galveston says:

    Please people-help me-I’ve written and tried calling senators from alot of states writing them of problems I find pertinant to America’s problems such as illegal immigration being passively tolerated, tolerating islamofacists and sticking up for their right while the US troops rights are ignored by the far left-how do I make a difference and get my voince heard as an American taxpayer and US Marine? I have big issues against cnn amongst other issues such as defending our Constitution. They went after President Bush every turn, now teh chosen one seems to be vehemently defended against the same attack-can they not take it after dishing it out for 8 years? Is this a double standard? Of course there is a double standard! This is the same far left who sticks up for the rights of terrorists who’d just as soon kill them too! I am a US Marine who served over there and my opinion of these islamofacists is that they want to control the world and are nazi-like in their conviction and should be wiped out. Gitmo seems to be a big debate-execute all the detainees-they cannot and will not be reformed-they held their own courts and conducted executions while in Gitmo-and the far left like obama wants to let them go?! What about the rights of our troops-the troops cnn tries to prosecute-are you kidding me?! Wake up America!

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