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Full List of 23 Executive Actions in Gun Violence Reduction Measures

It’s important to note that not each one is actually an executive order or presidential memorandum.The Office of the Press Secretary sent out the following list of all 23 executive actions.

Today, the President is announcing that he and the Administration will:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

I see we’ve past 400 comments where posting can be slow.  I was wondering how to respond to Obama’s gun speech.  Is this a real plan of action?  It sounded campaign like to me….But my thought was to post each of his 23 EO’s/memo’s on individual pages and weigh the merits.  Feedback on this & how to do so would be appreciated.

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  1. gmanfortruth says:

    :)

    • You don’t really mean that! A happy face after an Obama speech? This one is strange in that any agency that should/could share info is most likely already doing so unless they are failing to perform their job as required. Is this an admission that many gov. workers are lazy or a sleeper trap to demand more funding?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Sure I do, for many reasons. First, Obamaloni don’t make laws and what he says means nothing as far as laws are concerned. Second, this whole matter has awakened a whole lot of people, who are buying guns and ammo like WW3 is about to start. What are we up to now, about 80 to 90 million gun owners now. Since Obama has been elected we’ve added at least 10 million new gun owners, not to mention that 4 years of ammo purchases would for all the guns currently owned would be enough to probably take over China, Russia, Europe and Africa, without aircraft to assist.

        In other words, Obama has done more to promote freedom than any other President before. The only problem I see, is that he is the enemy, and I’m sure this recent run on guns hasn’t sat well with his puppeteers. The sleeping giant is awake again. Yes my friend, I’m smiling, because I have a stronger belief in my fellow Americans than I had 4 years ago. :) :) :) Freedom rules!

  2. This one kinda scares me when you consider just how many federal agencies there are, what info does the botanic garden have on me? (And why are there two BATF’s?)

    http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/B.shtml

    • Does the US postal service keep permanent records? Trying to remember how many bullets I’ve bought over the last several years…. I think they were all UPS, so I should be OK

  3. NEW YORK (WABC) — A troubling oversight has been found within New York State’s sweeping new gun laws.

    The ban on having high-capacity magazines, as it’s written, would also include law enforcement officers.

    Magazines with more than seven rounds will be illegal under the new law when that part takes effect in March.

    As the statute is currently written, it does not exempt law enforcement officers.

    Nearly every law enforcement agency in the state carries hand guns that have a 15 round capacity.

    A spokesman for the governor’s office called Eyewitness News to say, “We are still working out some details of the law and the exemption will be included, currently no police officer is in violation.”

    The Patrolman’s Benevolent Association President released a statement saying, “The PBA is actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers.”

    State Senator Eric Adams, a former NYPD Captain, told us he’s going to push for an amendment next week to exempt police officers from the high-capacity magazine ban. In his words, “You can’t give more ammo to the criminals”

  4. Miss me? G did. Here’s my FB response … what a friggin’ week in NH …

    G, we were up in New Hampshire (me for school/my wife for a vacation) and she caught pneumonia day 1 (2nd time in 8 weeks). I had to drive her to a hospital in the white mountains and you would have had a good laugh–the city boy going 30 MPH with a caravan of pissed off mountain drivers who wanted to pass on a 2 lane, snow covered road. I was white knuckled the entire trip … She’s recovering still, but returned to work because she’s that type (cabin fever). Other than that, I’ve been very busy with school stuff. This is my last semester. I’ll jump in and out of SUFA when I get the chance. Hope all is well by you, brother.

    • There’s Charlie! Last we heard Buck sent you to Texas to collect the Colonel’s guns and we hadn’t heard from you since! ;)

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Glad you are doing well, even if you are a Pinko Commie :)

      • Anita: my collecting days are long over …:)

        My wife is one too … working two jobs (like her hubby) … we’re workaholic socialists :)

        • Hey, Charlie’s ALIVE!

          I thought you had become Raptor-Chow.

          Hope the wife has a speedy recovery!

          • Grazie, Amico. I was a bit worried on that snow covered road … the license plates up there read: Live Free or Die … I kept looking at my wife and saying: “You think they know we’re commies?”

            • I’ve been to Keene, NH in the winter a few times – a pretty intense drive! But then I like winter, so I thought it was fun.

              the license plates up there read: Live Free or Die … I kept looking at my wife and saying: “You think they know we’re commies?”

              I’ll bet they were tracking you!

    • Oh great, now the Colonel will want to outlaw 2 lane, snow covered roads!

      • What’s snow?

      • BTW…what have I ever said that I wanted to outlaw? Well, besides ILLEGAL immigration?

        • what have I ever said that I wanted to outlaw?

          You seem to think that if we outlaw guns, we have to outlaw all potential weapons – bats, knives, cars…and now 2 lane, snow covered roads. Although if you don’t know what snow is, then you won’t understand this…

          Well, besides ILLEGAL immigration?

          If we outlaw ILLEGAL immigration, then all immigration would be legal, right?

    • Glad to hear the Mrs. is doing well. Sounds like you had a fun trip! :)

  5. Haven’t verified if this is true or good TN fokelore:

    http://voxvocispublicus.homestead.com/Battle-of-Athens.html

    • gmanfortruth says:

      It is historically true, to the best of my research. It’s been posted here before, which peaked my interest. Political corruption has a price, the next payment will be a doozy!

  6. gmanfortruth says:

    I have posted a lot of stuff in regards to the Sandy Hook shootings as far as it being a false flag, conspiracy theory. One video in regards to this has over ten million views, which is telling. The lack of trust in the corrupt government is growing. One thing I would like to say, the idea of a conspiracy theory that it is all a movie set type this isn’t all that bad really, because nobody would have died. While I highly doubt that many people died, including innocent children, I do have issue with the official story. Time will tell, the wounds of those who have lost loved ones will lesson, but will never go away. Maybe being a conspiracy theorist isn’t so bad after all, at least in that version, no life is lost. Funny how something rather hopeful can be frowned upon.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      OOps! Correction. It should read, that I agree that a lot of innocent people likely died. I have issues with the official story. See what happens when I try to over multi task. Oy Vey!

  7. gmanfortruth says:

    When scientists actually reported the real results of their studies (unlike the global warming jokers) :

    Among the 23 “executive actions” President Obama announced yesterday amidst great fanfare (and shameless exploitation of children) is this:

    “Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.”
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    Obama may want to put a hold on that one, until he comes to grips with what happened the last time a U.S. president tried it.

    During the late ’70s, President Jimmy Carter and his inner circle determined to push through comprehensive new federal gun-control legislation. They decided the best way to grease the congressional skids would be to have a massive scientific study conducted which, in the end, would proclaim that gun-control laws were effective in reducing crime.

    So the Carter folks handed out a major gun-control research grant to University of Massachusetts sociology professor James D. Wright and his colleagues Peter Rossi and Kathleen Daly. They spent four years and lots of tax dollars to produce what would be the most comprehensive, critical study of gun control ever undertaken. In 1981, they published the results of their research – an exhaustive, three-volume work titled “Under the Gun.”

    There was only one problem.

    Their findings, summarized starkly by co-author Wright, were that “Gun control laws do not reduce crime.”

    “When Wright, Rossi and Daly produced their report for the National Institute of Justice, they delivered a document quite different from the one they had expected to write,” explained David Kopel, research director of the Independence Institute and co-author of the law school textbook, “Firearms Law and the Second Amendment.” “Carefully reviewing all existing research to date, the three scholars found no persuasive scholarly evidence that America’s 20,000 gun-control laws had reduced criminal violence.”

    Among their many findings:

    The landmark federal Gun Control Act of 1968, banning most interstate gun sales, had no discernible impact on the criminal acquisition of guns from other states.
    Detroit’s law providing mandatory sentences for felonies committed with a gun was found to have no effect on gun-crime patterns.
    Washington, D.C.’s 1977 ban on the ownership of handguns (except those already registered in the District) was not linked to any reduction in gun crime in the nation’s capital.
    Polls claiming to show that a large majority of the population favored “more gun control” were debunked as being the product of biased questions, and of the fact that most people have no idea how strict gun laws already are.

    “As the scholars frankly admitted, they had started out their research as gun-control advocates,” said Kopel, “and had been forced to change their minds by a careful review of the evidence.”
    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/how-obamas-gun-order-will-backfire/#QhBIKMzyRd3tAFqV.99

    • This just in – banning a desired good leads to an increase in crime.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Duly noted and well understood. Now can anyone get the lefties to understand this? Actually, I think everyone in D.C. wants this, they just won’t admit it.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I agree, and I don’t vote for any of these bats. This is DC politics at it’s finest, the past vote was symbolic, really? Now it’s important because it’s really important, which is another lie. They can just print the money and poof, no problems. We are so screwed. What exactly is our government backing up our debt with? It isn’t gold. It can’t be our industrial output, that has been soldout to foreign countries. What’s left to provide collateral for what will be a 17 trillion dollar debt? The answer is scary, because this nation’s only collateral left is the ground we walk on and it’s vast resources. Every one of these idiots in DC should be hanged for treason.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Maybe that’s why they want gun control. Without guns they can pay the debts, with our property.

  8. gmanfortruth says:
  9. Executive Actions for Dummies
    http://phelps.donotremove.net/2013/01/obamas-new-executive-orders/

    The article links to a Slate article…tells me that even the lefties think the Executive Actions are a joke!

    • gmanfortruth says:

      As are all EO’s and whatever else they are called. The President has NO power to make laws. If he signs an EO that orders Fed agents to violate the Constitution, the Fed agents do not have to comply, and if they do, our LEO’s can arrest them (Fed agents) for any number of crimes. I would love to ask some of them if they are concerned now a days that there actions are MORE likely to result in a shootout or a Ruby Ridge type of scenario.

    • Hate to burst your bubble Anita, but the Slate article being linked to merely provides a list of the EOs.

      G – are there any specifics of the EOs in question that you find to go beyond the proper scope of an EO? Or that you find to be unconstitutional? Or is this just a case of Obama did something so it must be evil? Just curious… :)

      • gmanfortruth says:

        You do make me laugh :) There are some EO’s, mostly the same as previous Presidents have signed, that involve times of National Emergency that state the govt can basically take over most anything they want. They can confiscate farm equipment, vehicles, ect. The parts that I don’t believe is within his power is the taking of private property, taking over control of certain business’s, relocating citizens, ect. Although this has not happened in our lifetime, I do think that some things are an over reach, not only for the President, but for govt in general.

        • Let’s stick to the issue at hand — these 23 actions. Please, be specific.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Sorry, other than the stuff about the doctors being strange, I don’t see anything wrong with them. I looked at them briefly and sort of wondered what the big deal was.

            • What about the doctors do you find strange? Seems to me to be more along the lines of educating the doctors as to what present law allows.

            • “didn’t see anything wrong with them…sort of wondered what the big deal was”

              So I guess Obama isn’t some evil socialist coming for your guns then. Glad we can agree! :)

              • Buck;

                Any act or EO that violates a Constitutional amendment is unlawful unless it is supported by Congress as an amendment to said Constitution. It does not matter if it came from obama or any seated POTUS. The ability to write or execute an EO IS a violation of the Constitution.

                CM

              • So, even though I’m tired of this topic (as I mentioned to the Colonel below), what specifically in these EOs do you find to violate the Constitution? Everyone here seems to be going crazy a bit but no one is able to spell out what issue they have with these specific EOs. I mean come on, even G has voiced his sort-of support on this.

      • Let’s try this again s l o w l y for the lawyers of SUFA. Since the a r t i c l e is linked to Slate, I assUME that website is also a l e f t i e site. And since they are m o c k i n g the EAs I assUME that l e f t i e s ALSO consider the EAs a joke. C O M P R E N D E? :)
        ( the answer is Yes or No,, not something beginning with ‘so because…’)

  10. gmanfortruth says:

    This also doesn’t shock me. Is this a case of simply having too many laws to consider or is it that the law is mostly unenforceable? http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/18/biden-to-nra-we-dont-have-the-time-to-prosecute-people-who-lie-on-background-checks/

  11. Colonel,

    Ok, I’m settled in at work, sitting back with a nice hot cup of coffee. So…what’s the topic du jour?

    • Oh…..Sorry…I was sitting back with a glass O water…..oiling and cleaning weapons and feeding my Raptors…..

      See, you told everybody that Charlie disappeared down here….and all this time he was up North….

      What’s snow?

  12. gmanfortruth says:

    Mornin All :)

    Just wondering, if it comes out later this year that NO AR-15 was used at the Sandy Hook shootings (as has been reported, but silenced) how will you feel about the Media, Obama, and Govt in general, if your feelings change at all. I was raised to tell the truth, and based on that, I don’t appreciate getting lied too and I tried to instill that in my kids as well.

  13. While a handful of states have moved to nullify President Barack Obama’s recent executive orders on guns, a quartet of tea-party state senators in South Carolina introduced a bill Wednesday claiming to offer pro-gun citizens a different way around the federal rules: exempt the state’s unorganized militia from federal gun regulations.

    The unorganized militia consists of all able-bodied people over the age of 17 who are U.S. citizens residing in South Carolina and legally allowed to purchase a firearm, according to current state law.

    The governor may activate the militia in a case of “imminent danger of war, insurrection, rebellion, invasion, tumult, riot, resistance to law or process or breach of the peace” when the National Guard is insufficient to deal with the unrest.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/18/sc-bill-would-exempt-state-militia-from-federal-gun-rules/#ixzz2IL6keoFE

    Love seeing how SC defines “militia”!

  14. At Buck……..I am going to the White House propaganda page and read the text of the EO’s…they were not listed yesterday morning……topic du jour………..EO’s….I will be happy to tell you which ones I can live with……probably will not agree to any of them……but will enter into civil discourse…..if that is probable with a gun toting Texas Cowboy Colonel…and a liberal yankee brainwashed mouthpiece….but we have already proven that we can reach some common ground……..Ummmmmm……but you do have an advantage…….water vs coffee……….unless you are one of those foo foo types that drinks fake coffee from Starbucks…

    • “The Vice President’s committee,” Perry responded (scroll down for Perry’s full text), “was appointed in response to the tragedy at Newtown. But very few of his recommendations have anything to do with what happened there. Guns require a finger to pull the trigger. The sad young man who did that in Newtown was clearly haunted by demons and no gun law could have saved the children in Sandy Hook Elementary from his terror.”

      The evil Perry spoke of “shows up in our movies, video games and online fascinations,” he said, “and finds its way into vulnerable hearts and minds. As a free people, let us choose what kind of people we will be.”

      The last sentence of Perry’s response speaks volumes……………this is what it is about. The us he talks about is the individual, not Washington dictates.

      (Note to Buck…..this is not the topic…was giving you a lesson in freedom is all….topic is still EO’s).

    • Meh, on your topic of these EOs, I shall say: PASS!

      We’ve been going back and forth on gun control for several days now, both you and I have come to an agreement on what should be done, and the EOs for the most part, actually do address certain things we have discussed and agreed upon.

      Next topic please!

      Oh, and snow is a wonderful thing — so long as you don’t have to shovel. As we speak, I’m gearing up for a ski trip for an upcoming weekend…

      • Hmmm…..ok…..how about limiting the EO’s to your question of violation of the Constitution….should I find one that violates the Constitution in my opinion…..considering that I am a lay person……

        • :::yawn:::
          :)

          • Sigh…….hmmmmmm…..you do not want my topics……..YOU pick.

            By the way, I do love snow skiing…..we have a mountain home in New Mexico by Taos and Santa Fe……Taos is an intermediate slope and because it is harder, not many visitors except the most capable skier……Santa Fe…..well……it is for the foo foo skier….you know, those who drink Starbucks and want to sit in hot tubs with naked ladies all day…..

            • I’ve been wanting to get out to Taos for awhile now – supposed to be a nice mountain. Just tell me when — I’ll bring the coffee especially for you!

            • PS — what are you, a Texan Cowboy, doing on a ski slope!? I can see it now, you barrelling down the mountain, ten-gallon hat on your head, guns ablazing to warn those below…

              • Nah….only psuedo-cowboys wear ten gallon hats……

                If it was not for Texas, New Mexico and Colorado would dry up and blow away…..it is said that there are more Texans in those two states than in Texas…..we are skiers…..always have been. We visit it and then leave.

                As you can tell, I am in Texas right this minute. Supposed to be 65 today…while at our get away home in the mountains, there is three feet of snow and it is 15 degrees. We only go there in the winter to ski but love it up there in the summer.

                We are actually in Jemez Springs…..8,100 feet is where our home is. About 20 miles West of Los Alamos. Taos is 2 hours to the North East and Santa Fe is 1.5 hours East. Los Alamos has a bunny slope.

                Consider this an invite….all you have to do is get to Santa Fe. The rest I will take care of…and this is a serious invite. But be warned, I do carry and we have weapons up there. It takes me two hours and 12 minutes to fly from Ft Worth……we keep a 4 wheel drive Jeep Cherokee available to putz around in….

                But as to the coffee……there is plenty to have there but do not ask me to make it. I do not drink that nasty stuff…….

              • PS….My brother lives in Taos proper at times…….he tells me that the only real ski mountains are the Rockies….not those little green circle runs in the northeast. Toas has only yellow triangle, Blue circles and black diamonds……..I tried the diamond run ONCE……that was a little rough for me.

              • Still having trouble seeing you on the slopes…

                Perhaps one of these days I’ll plan a trip out there; difficult this year what with having a baby and not spending enough time at home with the family as is.

                Skiing in the northeast is meh — most places are pretty poor with lots of ice, but there are a few gems up in Vermont, Maine and of course Mt. Tremblant in Quebec. But the real skiing is definitely out West. You are correct on that.

              • Tried a black diamond at Tahoe/Heavenly ONCE! Of course I fell..ended up tumbling and rolling picking up snow along the way. when I stopped..there was snow packed between my goggles /face and glasses/face..wasn’t pretty! Bent my glasses all to hell…went to my car and lo and behold the guy parked next to me was an opthamologist..I was back in business in no time! :)

              • @ Buck……broke in on skiing as a youngster…..my dad is/was an avid hunter and we are very familiar with the mountains in New Mexico and Colorado…..learned skiing in Aspen, Colorado before it became famous. At the tender age of 12, on Ruthies run on Ajax Mountain, I broke my femur….three years later I twister a knee… paid my dues on the slopes…by the way, I remember skiing when an all lifts full day ticket was 8$ and dad had fit over that. After Aspen was Angel Fire, then Taos…that is where I run the slopes…..with out packing heat. There are a few yahoos to clear people outta my way….. I used to be one of those with no style and all speed…now my bones are more brittle so I am more into style and form. Diamonds are off limits now…..I have no death wish. but I do like the moguls and the blues. If you find yourself with time and the “cajones” to come out west where REAL men reside, you are welcome.

                I need to get CM out here as well….promised him a hunting trip and JAC.

                Anita, there is nothing like “catching and edge” and french kissing the snow…..makes you humble.

              • I love skiing out west — Park City / Alta / Snowbird are the three best mountains I’ve been. The bowls out there are absolutely amazing – we have nothing like that out here. Unfortunately just don’t have the time to head out there all that often.

  15. @ Buck, bringing forward your understanding of high capacity magazines……some thought and some facts for you.

    I have consistently seen an expert marksman with an AR 15, with mounted bipod and a high capacity magazine ( 30 or more rounds) on a secure gun range with no impairments score lower than an expert marksman with 16 round clips firing three round bursts and reloading three times. It is consistent and these are expert marksmen.

    I have seen boot camp recruits limited to three round bursts scoring more hits on targets in a controlled environment that trained military with full automatic firing 60 round bursts or haphazardly pulling a trigger.

    I have seen and can document that a trained marksman, with an M16 firing from the shoulder or hip a consistent 30 round magazine until it is empty……scores less..usually much less than a newly trained marksman aiming three round bursts and changing clips…..time, with a trained marksman changing clips is 6.4 seconds longer than firing a 30 round magazine and scoring 50 percent more hits.

    Please trust me that limiting magazines will not solve any problem whatsoever. This is a false trail. It will exacerbate and actually cause more casualties even from an inexperienced shooter.

    • While I still maintain that this isn’t universally true and the few seconds it takes to reload can possibly make the difference, doesn’t the Buck/Colonel proposal already make no mention of restricting the sale of high capacity magazines, instead giving that decision to the individual States?

      • Yup…just throwing some facts to you……I was wanting you to know this has been studied significantly because of the waste of ammunition, and rapid firing actually resulted in more American casualties because of running out of ammo to fast. There are very few infantry automatic weapons now that are not limited to 3-5 round bursts. Iran and Afghanistan has proven this over and over……limiting the bursts equals more enemy casualties.

        Those are the facts…..so, being the ever present barrister that wants facts……there they are. It is also prove by me….I am far more accurate.

        That said, yes, our proposal did address it….just handing you some facts. Whether or not you choose to believe them……is your choice.

  16. Minnesota lawyer who had affair with client bills her for time spent having sex

    Published January 18, 2013 FoxNews.com

    A Minnesota lawyer is suspended indefinitely after having an affair with a client and then billing her for the time spent having sex, TwinCities.com reported.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/18/minnesota-lawyer-who-had-affair-with-client-bills-her-for-time-spent-having-sex/?test=latestnews#ixzz2ILNyzNEv

    New topic on how lawyers screw people? (LOL, sorry Buck couldn’t resist)

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Wouldn’t that make the lawyer a PROSTITUTE?

    • Just goes to show — always make sure your lawyer is off the clock first!

      By the way, you reminded me, I have a few bills to forward to everyone here at SUFA. Kindly forward your current address and I’ll make sure those get out right away.

  17. Just A Citizen says:

    Repeat from last night.

    Why is it that we can’t pass a law prohibiting the killing of babies because the Supreme Court decided we have an absolute Right to Privacy,

    BUT…………

    The Fed Govt can force us to register our names and personal data in order to buy a gun?

    The first, protected by our right to privacy, is certain to result in death of a human being.

    The second, can result in a human being killed only under a set of circumstances that are unlikely to occur.

  18. Just A Citizen says:

    ON THE ISSUE OF MR. OBAMA’S EX. ORDERS.

    There is NOT a single Executive Order in the List provided.

    It amounts to nothing more than a To Do List.

    So if you are concerned about what is in the EO’s you need to keep paying attention.

    See how that little trick was designed to work?

  19. Just A Citizen says:
  20. Just A Citizen says:
  21. Just A Citizen says:

    But they sure know how to organize for political action.

    http://www.dailykos.com/

    First, I can’t help but notice the hypocrisy of the media in how they view this as cool but the Tea Party organizing the same way was HATE.

    Second, please notice the “long term” reference in this article. Anyone think that the Obama era will go away when he is out of office?

    Remember when his people said, after the election, that his political organization would NOT WORK for anyone else? It looks like they didn’t mean Him in particular. But it won’t work for anyone OTHER than those who have been vetted and trained by the Machine.

    Quite frankly, I find this very disturbing. Especially in light of the apparent disarray by Republicans and those original “tea party” folks.

  22. gmanfortruth says:

    Yea, back from Physical Therapy, NOT the other stuff that many of you think I may be in need of :) I’m with Buck, tired of the Gun Control chat. So let me ask another question. A large amount of people work as Direct Care Workers for the elderly. At the beginning of this year, a new company took over the contract to handle the taxes of the elderly (they are the employers) and to pay the DCW’s for hours worked every two weeks. At this point, with today being the 2nd pay that this company was charged with, a large number of DCW’s have not received a paycheck at all, for 4 weeks worth of hours worked.

    Other than the obvious calls to the company and every govt rep out there, are there any criminal charges that can be filed?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      gman

      Probably.

      Where I had businesses that would have violated State Labor laws. Thus subject to prosecution and/or FINES.

      If the money has been absconded with then THEFT.

    • Not criminal unless there is some fraud or something going on.

      Perhaps threaten an action for breach of contract?

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Thanks guys, Just got off the phone with the Governor’s office and was assured that this will be fixed and everyone will get what is due to them. Big apologies of course. I’ll survive just fine, prepared for things like this, but I feel sorry for those who need their money on time so they can eat and pay bills. I wonder how many credit ratings have been screwed because of this?

      If that does occur to someone, do they have any recourse against the company? I can get this info out if it is useful.

  23. gmanfortruth says:

    Does anyone wonder why there is a debt limit when it is continuously raised?

  24. gmanfortruth says:

    This is an interesting article. I can’t say that I stand with any of these ideologies, but parts of them are accurate.

    A West Point think tank has issued a paper warning America about “far right” groups such as the “anti-federalist” movement, which supports “civil activism, individual freedoms and self-government.”

    The report issued this week by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., is titled “Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right.”

    The center — part of the institution where men and women are molded into Army officers — posted the report Tuesday. It lumps limited government activists with three movements it identifies as “a racist/white supremacy movement, an anti-federalist movement and a fundamentalist movement.”

    The West Point center typically focuses reports on al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists attempting to gain power in Asia, the Middle East and Africa through violence.

    But its latest study turns inward and paints a broad brush of people it considers “far right.”

    It says anti-federalists “espouse strong convictions regarding the federal government, believing it to be corrupt and tyrannical, with a natural tendency to intrude on individuals’ civil and constitutional rights. Finally, they support civil activism, individual freedoms, and self government. Extremists in the anti-federalist movement direct most their violence against the federal government and its proxies in law enforcement.”

    The report also draws a link between the mainstream conservative movement and the violent “far right,” and describes liberals as “future oriented” and conservatives as living in the past.

    “While liberal worldviews are future- or progressive -oriented, conservative perspectives are more past-oriented, and in general, are interested in preserving the status quo.” the report says. “The far right represents a more extreme version of conservatism, as its political vision is usually justified by the aspiration to restore or preserve values and practices that are part of the idealized historical heritage of the nation or ethnic community.”

    The report adds: “While far-right groups’ ideology is designed to exclude minorities and foreigners, the liberal-democratic system is designed to emphasize civil rights, minority rights and the balance of power.”

    The report says there were 350 “attacks initiated by far-right groups/individuals” in 2011.

    Details about what makes an attack a “far right” action are not clear in the report, which was written by Arie Perliger, who directs the center’s terrorism studies and teaches social sciences at West Point.

    A Republican congressional staffer who served in the military told The Washington Times: “If [the Defense Department] is looking for places to cut spending, this junk study is ground zero.

    “Shouldn’t the Combating Terrorism Center be combating radical Islam around the globe instead of perpetuating the left’s myth that right-wingers are terrorists?” the staffer said. “The $64,000 dollar question is when will the Combating Terrorism Center publish their study on real left-wing terrorists like the Animal Liberation Front, Earth Liberation Front, and the Weather Underground?”

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/17/west-point-center-cites-dangers-far-right-us/#ixzz2IMCwiJOd

  25. Funny stuff … will probably go over like a fart in church here, but … it is funny.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Your right. It is hilarious to watch disjointed and illogical lefties make arguments that are, well disjointed and illogical.

      Notice how he compare “banning guns” to laws that punish drunk driving. Those are entirely DIFFERENT concepts.

      • JAC, I think banning guns vs. drunk driving was a response to Jesse Ventura’s analogy between banning cars and banning guns … and I’m “pretty sure” you know that too and are taking it out of context :)

        • Just A Citizen says:

          charlie

          I’m not actually. Ventura context of banning cars is dead on. Banning the tool.

          Stewart then ridicules Ventura by listing all these laws that DO NOT BAN cars. They are laws governing intoxication and driving while intoxicated.

          Nobody banned alcohol or cars.

          As opposed to banning a certain type of gun.

          Stewart deliberately confuses “trying to reduce something” with a specific action of “banning something” as part of that action. He is comparing apples and oranges.

          So as usual Stewart creates comedy by misrepresenting the core of the issues, everyone declares it funny, but they also accept the arguments.

          This is how he forms public opinion while denying he is trying to form public opinion.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      He is a funny guy, and sometimes he gets something right. One thing I believe is that I have never seen so much distrust for our government. Obama, to some, is simply evil. Is there just cause for these thoughts? I think there is. I also think Alex Jones wiped the floor with Pierc’s face during that interview. Maybe thats what needed to be said, because he explained how a lot of people feel today, they are fed up with the Feds.

      • Obama, to some, is simply evil. Is there just cause for these thoughts?

        Short answer: No.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Maybe not to you Buck, but many people feel this way. I don’t think he is evil, just a socialist pig. Remember, perception is reality to people. :)

        • Bottom Line says:

          Yes, Buck, he is…as are you, …as are many.

          Your arguments are to an attempt to justify evil disguised as righteousness.

          You can come up with whatever rationalized bullshit you want, but you are ultimately arguing in favor of forcing people to live according to your idealism.

          You cannot remedy evil with more of the same.

          • Are you calling me evil? I’ve been called a lot of things in life, though never evil (except, of course, by my sister growing up…)

            • sucks to be you Buck. :) :)

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Buck, you are, afterall a lawyer :evil: :lol:

            • Bottom Line says:

              Don’t feel too bad, Buck. We all have the capacity to do evil. We are only human. The trick is to do our best to overcome it.

              To clarify, …although well intentioned, by arguing in favor of evil, you are siding with and supporting evil, thus doing evil.

              • If I’m well-intentioned, then I don’t think I can be considered evil. Food for thought.

              • Bottom Line says:

                ” If I’m well-intentioned, then I don’t think I can be considered evil. Food for thought ”

                …like a wolf in sheep’s clothing looking into the mirror and not realizing it is a wolf.

              • Intent matters

              • Bottom Line says:

                Not that I disagree, but the issue remains.

                We still have to try to overcome it.

                It starts with knowing the difference.

              • Be careful Bottomline-there is a difference between warning people that their actions may unknowingly support evil consequences. And becoming legalistic and judgmental.

                I remember a man at my church-preaching about someone coming to HIS church and doing that which he thought was wrong.

              • Bottom Line says:

                V,

                Point taken.

                My ‘intent’ is not to judge, but rather point it out.

                And I do so in full recognition of my own unintentional evil deeds as well.

              • “Intent matters.”

                Intent is for sentencing, actions determine guilt. ;)

    • He is funny and may be the king of those low information voters. That Texas Rep. made a comment about hammers & Stewart zings him. That is what they will remember & never know more people were killed with hammers than rifles last year. He convinces them the incremental loss of freedom is an acceptable compromise. Consider DUI checkpoints are now accepted. It used to be illegal to stop a person and search their vehicle unless they had broken some law.

  26. gmanfortruth says:

    These school officials have no business being around children. Good thing I’m not the parent of this 5 year old.
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/five-year-old-girl-suspended-for-terroristic-threat-to-shoot-classmates-with-pink-bubble-gun.html

  27. gmanfortruth says:

    Here is but another reason why this government is not trusted. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/17/Holder-begs-court-to-indefinitely-delay-group-s-lawsuit-fighting-for-release-of-Obama-s-executive-privilege-Fast-and-Furious-documents

    On the subject of the distrust of government, is it not very noticeable right after the Sandy Hook the Conspiracy theories went crazy. Even today, there are many questions as to what really happened. When many people die in an incident of this magnitude, the people deserve the truth. Is there anyone here that is satisfied with the story as presented by the media and government? I would like more questions to be answered that haven’t been and would like to see video or some pictures of the crime scene (I do not desire to see dead bodies)

    Obama and his administration are not trusted by a large part of the population, and the recent run at the gun stores is clear evidence of this.

  28. gmanfortruth says:

    Hey everybody, Buck needs an exorcism :lol:

  29. Interesting debate on tv…….A victims mother of the Aurora shooting is suing the psychiatrist that treated the shooter.

  30. Whoops: PolitiFact’s ‘Lie of the Year’ Turns Out to Be True
    12:25 PM, Jan 18, 2013 • By MARK HEMINGWAY

    Last month, PolitiFact selected its “Lie of the Year.” Given PolitiFact’s dubious record of singling out Republicans for lying far more often then Democrats, you probably could have guessed the winner of this particular sweepstakes was a Mitt Romney campaign ad:

    It was a lie told in the critical state of Ohio in the final days of a close campaign — that Jeep was moving its U.S. production to China. It originated with a conservative blogger, who twisted an accurate news story into a falsehood. Then it picked up steam when the Drudge Report ran with it. Even though Jeep’s parent company gave a quick and clear denial, Mitt Romney repeated it and his campaign turned it into a TV ad.

    And they stood by the claim, even as the media and the public expressed collective outrage against something so obviously false.

    “Public expressed collective outrage”? That’s essentially wishcasting on the part of PolitiFact, nor are they accurately representing what Mitt Romney said in the ad. In fact, here’s PolitiFact’s original “fact check” on the matter:

    [Mitt Romney] Says Barack Obama “sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China” at the cost of American jobs.

    Ok. Now here’s what the Reuters reported earlier this week:

    Fiat (FIA.MI) and its U.S. unit Chrysler expect to roll out at least 100,000 Jeeps in China when production starts in 2014 as they seek to catch up with rivals in the world’s biggest car market. …

    “We expect production of around 100,000 Jeeps per year which is expandable to 200,000,” [Chrysler CEO Sergio] Marchionne, who is also CEO of Chrysler, said on the sidelines of a conference, adding production could start in 18 months.

    So, yes, it’s confirmed that Jeep will be producing cars in China. According to the Toledo Blade last November:

    Currently, Jeeps sell in more than 120 countries around the world, including China. They’re nearly all built in factories in the United States.

    By expanding Jeep production to China, instead of increasing Jeep production in the U.S., it’s safe to say the Jeep (or more properly, Fiat, which now owns Chrysler) is choosing to create more jobs overseas instead of in America where taxpayers bailed the company out.

  31. Bottom Line says:

    https://www.facebook.com/johntitortv

    ” Next year – some very well known physics professors will confirm CERN’s findings – and by mid 2014 – most of you will believe in Time Travel. ”

    - John Titor – December 20, 2012

  32. Just read the exchange between Bottom Line and Buck … all that nonsense about evil … oy vey … is there another track on your album? :)

  33. Bottom Line says:

    V,

    I found this to be a most interesting read and would like to share…

    http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/J002.pdf

    • I appreciate your sharing :) and I will read as time permits. But from a quick look-see, I feel a strong need to post this verse “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).

  34. Just A Citizen says:

    OK, I just have to address this one.

    To the notion that whether someone has acted in an evil fashion is dependent upon their “intent”, I have a one word answer.

    HITLER

    • I don’t believe that the point was “whether are not one Acted in an evil fashion” the point was “was their intent evil”. Personally, I believe Hitlers intent was evil, and the evilness of his intent is proven by his actions, not by the consequences of his actions. His intent was to kill and destroy Jews. Killing of Jews was Not simply a consequence of his actions-it was the intent of his actions.

      • Bottom Line says:

        I suspect he was trying to do what he thought was the right thing.

        He missed instead, and killed a bunch of other people’s grandparents.

        • , I don’t think intentionally committing Genocide can ever be looked at as “thinking one is doing the right thing”.

          • Bottom Line says:

            That’s because you don’t know what I do. As much as I would like to, I can’t tell you either.

            Don’t get me wrong, ‘Histler’ was a real turd who did great and unspeakable evil. By no means am I making excuses for him. I am only trying to point out that I suspect his motives were justified in his own mind by thinking he was doing what he thought was necessary to do right.

            • Bottom Line says:

              Think of it this way, V…

              You have a group of a million Austrians. You know one of them is Hitler, but not which one.

              How do you kill him without knowing which one is him?

              A: Kill them all.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            V.H.

            You are close to the problem with the entire issue.

            WHAT do you claim is EVIL???

            HOW do you know???

            Hitler felt the Jews responsible for EVIL against Europe. He acted on his belief in order to free the people from EVIL.

            His intentions were PURE and his Actions consistent with his intentions.

            So WHO decides what is EVIL???

            • I figure man has been trying to answer those questions for a long time-I do not have the answers, well except for the last one :) But I will go so far as to say that man in his attempt to answer these questions, has to look at the actions one is willing to take in order to achieve their “pure” intent-to determine whether or not they are really pure. In the case of Hitler-I don’t think mass killing, torture, and other inhumane horrors were necessary to achieve his stated intent-so obviously His intent wasn’t to stop some insane perceived evil, it was to carry out his own personal little evil campaign of HATE. Which is without doubt EVIL.

            • I remember a long time ago someone posted a study -can’t remember the details very well-something about a train-but it was basically would you do something that would kill someone who just happened to be in the path of destruction, in order to stop a catastrophe. And a second question-would you purposely push someone into the trains path to stop the catastrophe. Most people would do the first but not the second.

              I think this test came real close to answering the question of what is evil.

  35. Just A Citizen says:

    On the FALSE claim of Lincoln regarding sovereignty of the States and the notion of secession.

    Little long but a good read with some excellent citations.

    http://mises.org/daily/6345/A-Voluntary-Federation

    Of course I liked it, because it supports my many prior claims about State sovereignty “trumping” the Fed Govt.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Good read JAC :)

      I enjoy reading about history. I do not think that any State should succeed at this time and age of our country. Rather, the people of the States should demand a Constitution Convention and reel in the Feds and put them back in their place.

      We both know that the criminals in DC would never allow such a Convention to occur, be it by a new law or by violent force. I will refer to the Central govt as the Feds for the purpose of simplicity. The Feds are so corrupt and dug in, the people must discover a way to peacefully dig them out or, as a last resort, the people must bury them and start over fresh.

      This is what concerns me about the Obama/Lincoln connection. When Lincoln was the President, we had a nasty Civil War. Then it was North/South, now, it seems Left/Right (politically). Remember when Obama said he wanted a National Security Force as powerful as the military? Could it be that those dependent on the Govt teet could be coerced into that fighting force (the Left) and sent out against the Right? I don’t see the military getting involved at first, but, it would equate to the Lincoln years in a sick kind of way.

      Just some thoughts, but worth a discussion, I think :)

  36. gmanfortruth says:

    It is often questioned by many left wing rag reporters like Pierc Morgan and his ilk, why does anyone need an assault weapon? THe answer is not a need, but rather it is a right to make that choice. The next big question is why so many are totally determined to keep our guns. Simple, protection is #1. From a corrupt govt is why we have that Right written in blood and in the Bill of Rights. Self defense is next, and why must we worry about self defense? Because the govt can’t protect us and that is a fact.

    Now for the interesting stuff. Should total gun control still be a fear? Yes, because the Feds will not enforce the laws already on the books. VP Biden said so, and much more! http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/joe-biden-we-dont-have-time-to-prosecute-everybody-who-lies-on-background-checks/

    See, the laws that are supposed to keep guns from the bad guys just aren’t enforceable, according to Uncle Joe. OK, so what is the alternative?

    Then, we have Eric Holder, Mr’ Gun Traffic himself, claiming that he is going to get tough with the Black Market that get’s guns to all the bad guys. This guy is truly a joke, as you can see for yourself here: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/attorney-general-eric-holder-said-what-about-gun-trafficking/

    So, in my opinion, it is clear what the true goal is. If you can’t see where this is likely leading, you are blind. The next govt sponsored killing field event is not far off, so stay aware when out and about, it’s coming. Then the fun begins all over, the gun control discussion, egads :evil: :wink: :shock:

  37. Bottom Line says:

    Another interesting read…

    http://rense.com/general86/newagehit.htm

  38. It’s about time we look at the REAL “causes” of school violence!!!

    What
    Drug
    Date
    Where
    Additional

    School Shooting
    Prozac WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois ** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting Erratically
    School Shooting
    Prozac Antidepressant 2005-03-24 Minnesota **10 De ad: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage
    School Shooting
    Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant 2001-03-10 Pennsylvania **14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School
    School Shooting
    Zoloft Antidepressant & ADHD Med 2011-07-11 Alabama **14 Year Old Kills Fellow Middle School Student

    School Shooting
    Zoloft Antidepressant 1995-10-12 South Carolina **15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself
    School Shooting
    Med For Depression 2009-03-13 Germany **16 Dead Including Shooter: Antidepressant Use: Shooter in Treatment For Depression
    School Hostage Situation
    Med For Depression 2010-12-15 France **17 Year Old with Sword Holds 20 Children & Teacher Hostage
    School Shooting Plot
    Med For Depression WITHDRAWAL 2008-08-28 Texas **18 Year Old Plots a Columbine School Attack
    School Shooting
    Anafranil Antidepressant 1988-05-20 Illinois **29 Year Old WOMAN Kills One Child: Wounds Five: Kills Self
    School Shooting
    Luvox/Zoloft Antidepressants 1999-04-20 Colorado **COLUMBINE: 15 Dead: 24 Wounded
    School Stabbings
    Antidepressants 2001-06-09 Japan **Eight Dead: 15 Wounded: Assailant Had Taken 10 Times his Normal Dose of Depression Med
    School Shooting
    Prozac Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 1998-05-21 Oregon **Four Dead: Twenty Injured
    School Stabbing
    Med For Depression 2011-10-25 Washington **Girl, 15, Stabs Two Girls in School Restroom: 1 Is In Critical Condition
    School Shooting
    Antidepressant 2006-09-30 Colorado **Man Assaults Girls: Kills One & Self
    School Machete Attack
    Med for Depression 2001-09-26 Pennsylvania **Man Attacks 11 Children & 3 Teachers at Elementary School
    School Shooting Related
    Luvox 1993-07-23 Florida **Man Commits Murder During Clinical Trial for Luvox: Same Drug as in COLUMBINE: Never Reported
    School Hostage Situation
    Cymbalta Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2009-11-09 New York **Man With Gun Inside School Holds Principal Hostage
    School Shooting
    Antidepressants 1992-09-20 Texas **Man, Angry Over Daughter’s Report Card, Shoots 14 Rounds inside Elementary School
    School Shooting
    SSRI 2010-02-19 Finland **On Sept. 23, 2008 a Finnish Student Shot & Killed 9 Students Before Killing Himself
    School Shooting Threat
    Med for Depression* 2004-10-19 New Jersey **Over-Medicated Teen Brings Loaded Handguns to School
    School Shooting
    Antidepressant? 2007-04-18 Virginia **Possible SSRI Use: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
    School Shooting
    Antidepressant? 2002-01-17 Virginia **Possible SSRI Withdrawal Mania: 3 Dead at Law School
    School Incident/Bizarre
    Zoloft* 2010-08-22 Australia **School Counselor Exhibits Bizarre Behavior: Became Manic On Zoloft
    School/Assault
    Antidepressant 2009-11-04 California **School Custodian Assaults Student & Principal: Had Manic Reaction From Depression Med
    School Shooting
    Prozac Antidepressant 1992-01-30 Michigan **School Teacher Shoots & Kills His Superintendent at School
    School Shooting Threats
    Celexa Antidepressant 2010-01-25 Virginia **Senior in High School Theatens to Kill 4 Classmates: Facebook Involved: Bail Denied
    School Violence/Murder
    Antidepressants* 1998-05-04 New York **Sheriff’s Deputy Shoots his Wife in an Elementary School
    School Knifing/Murder
    Meds For Depression & ADHD 2010-04-28 Massachusetts **Sixteen Year Old Kills 15 Year Old in High School Bathroom in Sept. 2009
    School Stabbing
    Wellbutrin 2006-12-04 Indiana **Stabbing by 17 Year Old At High School: Charged with Attempted Murder
    School Threat
    Antidepressants 2007-04-23 Mississippi **Student Arrested for Making School Threat Over Internet
    School Suspension
    Lexapro Antidepressant 2007-07-28 Arkansas **Student Has 11 Incidents with Police During his 16 Months on Lexapro
    School Shooting
    Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2007-11-07 Finland **Student Kills 8: Wounds 10: Kills Self: High School in Finland
    School Shooting
    Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant 2004-02-09 New York **Student Shoots Teacher in Leg at School
    School Threat
    Prozac Antidepressant 2008-01-25 Washington **Student Takes Loaded Shotgun & 3 Rifles to School Parking Lot: Plans Suicide
    School Shooting Plot
    Med For Depression 1998-12-01 Wisconsin **Teen Accused of Plotting to Gun Down Students at School
    School/Assault
    Zoloft Antidepressant 2006-02-15 Tennessee **Teen Attacks Teacher at School
    School Shooting Threat
    Antidepressant 1999-04-16 Idaho **Teen Fires Gun in School
    School Hostage Situation
    Paxil & Effexor Antidepressants 2001-04-15 Washington **Teen Holds Classmates Hostage with a Gun
    School Hostage Situation
    Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2006-11-28 North Carolina **Teen Holds Teacher & Student Hostage with Gun
    School Knife Attack
    Med for Depression 2006-12-06 Indiana **Teen Knife Attacks Fellow Student
    School Massacre Plot
    Prozac Withdrawal 2011-02-23 Virginia **Teen Sentenced to 12 Years in Prison For Columbine Style Plot
    School Shooting
    Celexa & Effexor Antidepressants 2001-04-19 California **Teen Shoots at Classmates in School
    School Shooting
    Celexa Antidepressant 2006-08-30 North Carolina **Teen Shoots at Two Students: Kills his Father: Celexa Found Among his Personal Effects
    School Shooting
    Meds For Depression & ADHD 2011-03-18 South Carolina **Teen Shoots School Official: Pipe Bombs Found in Backpack
    School Shooting Threat
    Antidepressant 2003-05-31 Michigan **Teen Threatens School Shooting: Charge is Terrorism
    School Stand-Off
    Zoloft Antidepressant 1998-04-13 Idaho **Teen [14 Years Old] in School Holds Police At Bay: Fires Shots
    School Shooting
    Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2007-10-12 Ohio **Teen [14 Years Old] School Shooter Possibly on Antidepressants or In Withdrawal
    School Threat
    Antidepressants 2008-03-20 Indiana **Teen [16 Years Old] Brings Gun to School: There Is a Lockdown
    School Suicide/Lockdown
    Med For Depression 2008-02-20 Idaho **Teen [16 Years Old] Kills Self at High School: Lockdown by Police
    School Threa ts
    Prozac Antidepressant 1999-10-19 Florida **Teen [16 Years Old] Threatens Classmates With Knife & Fake Explosives
    School Stabbing
    Med For Depression 2008-02-29 Texas **Teen [17 Year Old GIRL] Stabs Friend & Principal at High School
    School Hostage Situation
    Prozac/ Paxil Antidepressants 2001-01-18 California **Teen [17 Years Old] Takes Girl Hostage at School: He is Killed by Police
    School Knife Attack
    Treatment For Depression & Strattera 2009-03-10 Belgium **Three Dead in School Day Care: Two Children & a Caregiver: Happened Jan 23, 2009
    School Shooting Plot
    Antidepressants 2009-09-22 England **Two English School Boys Plot to Blow Up High School
    School Arson Incidents
    Paxil 2002-04-12 Michigan **Unusual Personality Change on Paxil Caused 15 Year Old to Set Fires inside High School
    School Bomb Threat
    Med For Depression 2009-06-29 Australia **Vexed Father Makes Bomb Threat Against Elementary School
    School Violence
    Antidepressant 2005-11-19 Arizona **Violent 8 Year Old GIRL Handcuffed by Police at School
    School Violence
    Celexa Antidepressant 2002-01-23 Florida **Violent 8 Year-Old Boy Arrested At School
    School Threat/Lockdown

  39. The Republicans cave yet again……proving they do not know how to play the shell game. Extend the debt ceiling for three months in the hopes that the Senate will reach a budget…..

    The Senate under Reid has not reached a budget in going on four years now and they are not going to start now. The budget is a constitutional requirement and the dems…..well…..we know what they think of the Constitution…..Nada.

    The Repubs will never be able to play in the real ball game until they get some cajones and get rid of the RINO’S. The Dems are expert at the shell game and they have proven it yet again.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Mornin Colonel :) Hope all is well in Texas.

      I think we should fire all of them and start over with a better plan for a Federal govt. Let’s begin with taking their ability to pass laws. Eliminating the fraud and corruption in D.C would go along way to restoring this nation back to an industrial superpower. While we’re at it, let’s bring all our troops home where they belong and end all this Empire crap. Any thoughts?

      • G……the problem is not Washington….the problem is the people who are putting the people in Washington. Our society has an entitlement mentality. They feel they are owed a living and owed health and owed cell phones and owed a job and owed an education……

        You have to defeat the entitlement mentality and the new mentality is…….I do not have to work to get what I want. There is clearly a 50% population that simply wants…..and the Dems have earned this and they play to this and they win.

        We have created a society of non winners. Every one gets a trophy because a super hero makes people feel inferior. We lower test scores so more people pass because it hurts their feelings. Political correctness is a pariah that is being successful in taking independence away and the desire to succeed on one’s own.

        Until we change the mentality,,,,,,,Washington will never change.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          No argument there. The same entitlement class that votes for their free cookies are also a big part of the crime problem in the inner cities. It is also this group of people that will go off if the free cookies suddenly end.

          I do have a theory :) Obama wanted a National Security Force, could it be that these young thugs in the inner cities are who ends up being just what Obama wanted? All he needs to do is turn off the freebies for awhile and bribe ‘em with good pay and all. How many wouldn’t jump on that? Just a thought, I do have a good imagination :)

          Fresh chicken in the roaster! Stuffed and slow cooking. Feathers are a mess to clean up,:lol:

    • Just A Citizen says:

      d13thecolonel

      The “BUDGET” is NOT a Constitutional requirement.

      It is required by Law that Congress passed itself.

  40. Here are some examples.

    1) Obama says holding the debt ceiling hostage to spending is not cricket….yet he voted against extending the debt ceiling every single time as a Senator.
    2) Promising people that they get to keep their insurance of choice and that premiums would fall with the passage of the ACA. Not only are people losing their insurance of choice under the ACA but premiums have risen over 30% for the majority and some have risen over 100%.
    3) Promising the people that if he gets the revenue increase on the upper income that it would require no more…….and now he is wanting to increase the taxes even greater.
    4) Promising no increased taxes on the poor and middle class and then raising them an average of 3% and more for some
    5) Promising no increase in the medicare and medicaid taxes and then raising them.
    6) Promising no cuts in medicare and medicaid and then cutting it.

    The list goes on and the Repubs do not know how to play with the big boys.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Obama is a compulsive liar. I’m not so sure the Repubs aren’t on the same side anyway. We got a 17 trillion debt because of all of them. Now, time to weed out the good ones and get the rest fired. :)

  41. gmanfortruth says:

    Wow, now the Left wingers and actors are trying to rewrite history :roll: This is not a joke, and shows incredible ignorance.

    A meme is going around by a number of people claiming that the Second Amendment — “the right to bear arms” — was put in the Constitution to protect slavery. The following is from actor Danny Glover who spoke to a group of students at a Texas A&M University:

    “‘I don’t know if you know the genesis of the right to bear arms,’ he said. ‘The Second Amendment comes from the right to protect themselves from slave revolts, and from uprisings by Native Americans.

    “‘A revolt from people who were stolen from their land or revolt from people whose land was stolen from, that’s what the genesis of the second amendment is,’ he continued.

    Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/01/actor-says-2nd-amendment-created-to-defend-against-slave-revolts/#ixzz2IROHrfPh

    • If you do not know your history, then such stupid statements can happen. The 2nd amendment comes from the events on April 19, 1775, when the British marched on Concord, MA for the express purpose of ceasing guns, powder, and lead. They got the powder and lead one at a time.

  42. gmanfortruth says:

    IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT! TODAY IS GUN APPRECIATION DAY!

    I am celebrating this important 1st annual Gun Appreciation Day. It is long overdue, as guns have been constantly attacked as being evil murderers. So I have decide to share with how I will show my appreciation to my family of guns :)

    I have the whole family with me and it’s time for the speech :lol:

    To my extended family of guns, I want all you to know how proud I am of all you. You have chosen to live your lives crime free, morally correct and have never jumped up in an attempt to do harm to an innocent person. Many of you have successfully harvested both big and small game, so that your human family can share and eat healthy foods. Many of you also make yourself readily available in the event you must take action against an evil criminal or a dastardly porcupine. And last but not least, Makarov, who accompanies me on all of my journeys, ready to protect at a moments notice.

    Her’s a toast, to Remington, Makarov, Mossberg, Smith & Wesson, Winchester, Colt, Marlin and Fox Sterlingworth! SALUTE!

    In appreciation, I present all of my special family of guns with a fresh coat of gun oil to moisturize the dry spots and provide some extra nutrients. Thank You for your outstanding service!

    There you have it SUFA, it’s Gun Appreciation Day! So thank your guns for not jumping up and harming an innocent child in a gun free zone! They will feel happy and refreshed after a fresh layer of gun oil!

    Peace! :lol: :lol:

    • In honor of GUN APPRECIATION DAY:

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/gun-fails-second-amendment-rights-gone-wrong_n_2490579.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

      An important note – it’s the “1st annual” until next year…

      PS – I think you need some more of that “therapy” you were talking about…

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Todd, you might be right. Some left wing shrinks believe that those who believe in freedom, liberty and personal responsibility is a mental disorder. They are naming this disorder, positive thinking disorder or PTD. It’s claimed that thinking about what “should” be “reality” is a problem. They want to treat it with any one of several psychotropic drugs. Apparently, they want more people to flip out and go on murder rampages, most likely part of the leftist belief that it will lead the law abiding citizens to willingly give up the guns.

        Good Luck with that idea :)

    • gmanfortruth says:

      That is hilarious :lol: Glad you see the humor in all this. I’m still laughing :)

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I wonder what the legal liability is for putting a statement in quotes and claiming it was said by someone when it was not?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Why do you ask JAC? I don’t think satire would qualify as slander if it properly declared as satire. I could be wrong of course, what say you Sir?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          I have never seen satire where they construct a false quote in print and actually attribute it to someone.

          You see it on Sat. Night Live, but that is obviously a skit with actors.

          It was humorous but I was just wondering the legal implications. I don’t know. So maybe Buck can tell us on Monday.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Possibly. I guess it would depend on who was quoted and if he/she takes offense. Me personally would laugh about it and maybe post a comment claiming satire.

            How is your day today? Good here, really frigid windy snowy weather coming for the next 6 days straight. I’ll be online alot, except for therapy. Physical therapy, it really is :)

  43. gmanfortruth says:

    What New York Democrats really wanted! Folks, if you don’t think that they want all guns, you are blind. This is only the beginning. Her’s the list of what the Dems in NY wanted:

    The list of proposals that Democrats would rather you didn’t see, can be seen below.

    1. Confiscation of “assault weapons”
    2. Confiscation of ten round clips
    3. Statewide database for ALL Guns
    4. Continue to allow pistol permit holder’s information to be released to the public
    5. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as “assault weapons”
    6. Limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 5 and confiscation and forfeiture of banned magazines
    7. Limit possession to no more than two (2) magazines
    8. Limit purchase of guns to one gun per person per month
    9. Require re-licensing of all pistol permit owners
    10. Require renewal of all pistol permits every five years
    11. State issued pistol permits
    12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State
    13. Require licensing of all gun ammo dealers
    14. Mandatory locking of guns at home
    15. Fee for licensing, registering weapons

    http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/01/ny-democrat-please-dont-release-that-document-showing-we-actually-do-want-to-confiscate-guns-2562114.html

    As in the video, they wanted confiscation of “assault weapons”. They must be totally ignorant to think that confiscation is even an option in the country. Talk about walking into a hail storm of lead, who would be dumb enough to try it? Maybe we should ask the legislators in the video if they would lead the way. Bet they would refuse, because they are all talk and no balls :evil:

    • gmanfortruth says:

      “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
      Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler, Publ. Houghton Miflin, 1943, Page 403

      Obama took a page right out of this book the other day.

  44. gmanfortruth says:

    Good article about how the Left confuses nazi’s with conservatives, when everyone knows that NAZIism is clear left. Same with the KKK, also an invention of the left wing democrats.
    http://godfatherpolitics.com/9035/new-report-looks-at-liberal-violence-blames-conservatives/

  45. gmanfortruth says:

    Here’s another article about how piss poor the media really is. I do agree that if there were not so many questions about what really happen, there would be a lot less conspiracy theories going around. There are some very strange ones too, some involving devil worship. But, one piece of news in the article is that Adam Lanza’s medical records have been sealed forever. What could possibly be in there that must be hidden, you know, like Obama’s college records :)
    http://godfatherpolitics.com/9043/why-is-the-mainstream-media-encouraging-conspiracy-theories/

  46. gmanfortruth says:

    HAHA! :lol: NY Liberals at their very best :roll: Yes ladies and gentlemen, these people are why Obama won his second term. The sheeple in living color: http://conservativevideos.com/2013/01/jimmy-kimmel-show-asks-people-what-they-thought-of-the-inauguration-before-it-even-happened/

  47. gmanfortruth says:

    Second Amendment supporting states are pushing back against Obama and liberals gun grab and they are pushing hard.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/01/beaufort-county-nc-passes-gun-law-nullification-resolution-2562312.html

  48. gmanfortruth says:

    Here’s an article from HuffPo. Why would I post this you ask? Because it misses the real problem. It states all lots a stats, but fails to list the real causes of the violence. the author does his best to blame the gun for jumping up and killing, but fails miserably because he is lost as to the real problems in this country. I will write an article, which will be very truthful, and nobody on the laft will like, but tough tittiy :)

  49. gmanfortruth says:
  50. Just A Citizen says:

    gman

    Sorry I ran out on you today and missed your question.

    I am doing well and today started very cold with fog, but the sun burned it off by noon.

    Went into the big city to have some Yuppified Breakfast with Spousal Unit Leader.

    Took a drive then went to the movies. Me and Lil’ JAC saw the new Bond movie while the Missus say Les Miserable.

    P.S. The newspaper stack at the breakfast joint was a local rag sheet COMPLETELY dedicated to the LGBT community. Including all the “kinky underground shit”.

    I am counting the days until my time in purgatory is over.

    But I should say, breakfast was pretty good.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      OH MY! At least the food and movie were good, LOL. How old is Lil’ JAC if you don’t mind me asking. I’ve thought about writing an article that the young’uns could understand.

      I’m lucky I guess, we don’t have many of the alternative lifestyle stuff in these parts. While I’m not against what other people do, I would prefer that they not try to include those who don’t live their lifestyle with “kinky underground shit”. Openness about that lifestyle seems to be very open out your way. I feel for ya! :roll:

      I will be helping LOI on SUFA now, he’s pooped and I have lots of time on my hands for awhile. Don’t worry, I will avoid the conspiracy theory stuff :) I will put up an economic article Monday morning. It is quite lengthy but should promote some good discussion.

      Got a bad disc in lower neck that is a real pain, hence the therapy. Love the massage part, but it’s only working temporarily. It really hurts to drive, strangely enough. See a surgeon on Feb 5 and go from there.

      Just wondering, what would be some good subjects to discuss? I have a good imagination, but that’s not for everyone, LOL :)

    • gmanfortruth says:

      And men wonder why women have a bad attitude with five or six kids running around :) No wonder why noone ever see’s Amish mothers in public, after 10 or 12 kids they could probably want to kill most men :lol;

      • gmanfortruth says:

        The Amish give birth at home. After the first five, they just yell, here it comes, catch it!

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    • gmanfortruth says:

      Good find V.H. I would guess that Buck and Todd would understand his speech, but most liberals would have no clue at all what he is talking about. I wonder how many of them could recite the 2nd Amendment off the top of their head? Then again, most don’t even know what the Holocaust was :roll:

  54. gmanfortruth says:

    Let’s see, Fort Hood killer, Registered Democrat, Aurora theater shooter, Registered Democrat and Occupy attendee. The Families of the Columbine shooters, you guessed it, Registered Democrats. Adam Lanza and Family, Registered Democrats. My, the problem isn’t guns, it’s Liberalism. http://conservativevideos.com/2013/01/liberals-with-guns/

  55. January 20, 2013
    We Told You So
    By Robert Tracinski

    As the Affordable Care Act–otherwise known as ObamaCare–begins to be implemented, we are seeing its first big consequence: it is making care less affordable.

    The New York Times reports that “Health insurance companies across the country are
    seeking and winning double-digit increases in premiums for some customers, even though one of the biggest objectives of the Obama administration’s health care law was to stem the rapid rise in insurance costs for consumers.”

    “Even though”? In fact, Obamacare is simply doing what a lot of people predicted it would. Critics of ObamaCare warned that it would produce precisely the kind of premium increases we are now seeing, for precisely the reasons that new reports are now citing.

    I was one of those critics, and I take no joy in pointing out that we told you so.

    In 2009, as ObamaCare was being crammed through Congress, I gave three reasons for predicting disaster.

    The first is “guaranteed issue,” which requires insurance companies to cover you for a pre-existing condition. This forces insurance companies to take on extra costs, while reducing the incentive for healthy people to pay their insurance premiums. Why pay premiums for years, if you can just wait until you’re already sick to buy coverage? So insurers are mandated to take on extra costs while losing revenues. As I wrote back in 2009, “Rather than increasing the number of insured by making health insurance more affordable, this bill makes health insurance more expensive and increases the incentive to simply drop your insurance until you need someone to pay for your medical bills.”

    And so we see today a report that as this takes effect and people who are already sick demand insurance, “paying for their care could add massive costs to the system.”

    “For one thing, they’ll have no waiting period to get insurance. Someone who just got bad news from the heart doctor can walk into an insurance office and order a policy, Davis said. ‘It’s as if could you go home, see your house on fire, call Allstate and say, “Cover my home,”‘ Davis said.

    “With medical bills easily reaching into the millions of dollars, a few of those cases could quickly add up, significantly boosting overall rates.”

    That leads to the second provision we warned about, the individual mandate. This is supposed to prevent free riders from waiting until they are sick by forcing them to buy insurance. But the penalty for refusing to buy insurance was set at $750, which is far lower than the cost of insurance. As I wrote back then, “we end up getting the worst of both worlds. This provision won’t actually drive anyone to buy health insurance and prop up the risk pools for those who are insured. All it will accomplish is to create a brand new form of tax.”

    Finally, there are the federally mandated health-insurance exchanges, in which the federal government dictates what insurers are required to pay for, banning less expensive bare bones coverage and requiring insurance policies that cover more procedures and “preventative” tests. As I warned, “under the guise of making health insurance more affordable, this bill will restrict your menu of choices to include only the most expensive options.”

    Lo and behold, we see reports today that insurance premiums are going up partly because of “new federal rules that increase the services that health insurers are required to include in the health plans they sell.”

    There are also a couple of new reasons why rates are going up. We couldn’t predict every negative effect of ObamaCare, because as Nancy Pelosi told us, Democrats had to pass the bill so we could find out what was in it. Thus, Peter Suderman points to a rule that requires insurance companies to refund part of their premiums if they don’t spend enough on patient care in a particularly year. Suderman explains the results.

    “If claims are low in a given year, they end up rebating the difference to the customer because of the MLR rule. If claims are unexpectedly high, however, they end up eating the difference. Insurers thus have an incentive to protect themselves by charging high premiums at the outset, and then paying those premiums back in rebates should claims come in at low or expected levels.”

    And then there is the extra cost passed on from new taxes on health insurance. Imagine that: when you tax something it becomes more expensive.

    We can look to the consequences of RomneyCare in Massachusetts–the model for ObamaCare–as a preview of the near future. Massachusetts now has the highest insurance premiums in the country. The figures are quite staggering. A new study finds that “the average Massachusetts family health plan had a premium of $16,953 in 2011.” One small business owner reports that “health-care benefits account for a quarter of the cost of hiring a new person.” Even more startling is that this is an increase of 72% from 2003–nearly a doubling of insurance premiums in ten years.

    As one expert explains, “Massachusetts is a state with a lot of mandates for coverage which other states may not have,” and the report concludes that “The discrepancy will decrease once the Affordable Care Act is implemented.” The discrepancy will decrease, not because Massachusetts premiums will go down, but because premiums for everyone else will go up to match them.

    The rising premiums are bad enough in themselves, but they raise the prospect of crashing the whole structure of the health insurance system created by ObamaCare. Philip Klein explains:

    “Should premiums continue to rise, more and more uninsured Americans are going to choose to pay the penalty rather than purchase expensive insurance. And those who go without insurance are more likely to be the ones who can afford to do so–young and healthy Americans with limited medical expenses. Should this occur, insurers would have to raise premiums even more to subsidize the expenses of the sicker beneficiaries they must cover under the law. This, in turn, would cause additional people to forgo insurance and pay the fine. And so on. This is known in the health care policy community as the ‘death spiral’ and it’s one of the biggest threats to the structure of Obamacare.”

    Another article which cites many of the same problems I have just described marvels that “The congressional Democrats who crafted the legislation ignored virtually every actuarial principle governing rational insurance pricing.”

    But I don’t think that’s any kind of mystery. The consequences of ObamaCare–particularly the built-in “death spiral”–are so predictable that I don’t think the legislation’s architects can profess innocence. From the beginning, I have had suspicions, so to speak, that a stable health insurance industry was not the goal of ObamaCare. Rather, I warned: “It is an attempt to turn health insurance into what the left really wants: another welfare program in which everyone is entitled to free benefits, mandated by the government.”

    “But this would wreck private health insurance, making the whole industry financially unsustainable….

    “This bill so comprehensively wrecks private health insurance that pretty soon a ‘public option’ will seem like the only alternative, and they will already have put into place one of the new taxes needed to pay for it. If the left’s goal is to impose socialized medicine in America, this bill does it in the most callous and destructive way possible. It smashes private health care–then leaves us stranded in the rubble, at which point we will be expected to come crawling back to the same people who caused the disaster and ask them to save us.”

    The first half of our predictions from 2009 are already coming true. I am afraid that we’re going to have to come back in another few years, after the second half has come to fruition, and say once again: we told you so.

    http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2013/01/20/we_told_you_so_100105.html

    I find I really don’t like the people being lied to, manipulated and basically used as sacrificial lambs by the Federal government in order to Force through one of their “goals”.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Wow, more conspiracy theory? The government would never lie to us! LOL, Maybe I should have said “the government would never tell us the truth”. At least that seems to be the way of the Democrats and their sheeple minions.

  56. A Coup or simply the Right to Assemble? It is starting to feel more like a coup-because they seem to have corrupted those things such as the freedom and the integrity of the media.
    What say you guys?

    “A conspiracy so immense”: ideological commitment and the timidity of pragmatic politics

    “What will it take for the mainstream media to cover the progressive movement?” Washington Free Beacon:

    Let’s pretend that in the spring of 2012 Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform, John Engler of the Business Roundtable, Tim Phillips of Americans for Prosperity, and Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association began to organize an assembly of right-leaning groups.

    Let’s pretend that in the months since there had been not one but two meetings where these luminaries joined with representatives of Christians United For Israel, the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Tea Party Express, the Federation for
    American Immigration Reform, and the American Petroleum Institute to discuss strategy and promote a series of “structural reforms” that would make it easier for them to advance conservative goals in Congress.

    Let’s pretend that by the time of the second meeting, which was held within sight of the White House, the coalition had grown to encompass some 36 different interest groups pledging millions of dollars.

    How much press coverage would be devoted to this fictive cabal?

    It is impossible to say. But is it not unreasonable to assume that our pretend meeting of the vast right-wing conspiracy would attract far more scrutiny than was devoted to the actual, real-life, believe-it-or-not inaugural meetings of the progressive “Democracy Initiative”? After all, no one seemed to know anything about those meetings, held in June and December 2012, until a writer for Mother Jones named Andy Kroll broke the story on Wednesday. As of this writing exactly two other people, a blogger for the Washington Monthly and a blogger for The Ed Show, have picked up Kroll’s story.

    The rest of what is too generously called the “mainstream media” has not said a word. [...]

    And it is a major story. The brainchild of Michael Brune, Phil Radford, Larry Cohen, and Ben Jealous, the Democracy Initiative, according to Mother Jones’s Kroll, is “the first time so many groups teamed up to work on multiple issues not tied to an election.”

    These guys have pull. Brune is the executive director of the Sierra Club and former executive director of the more radical Rainforest Action Network. Radford runs Greenpeace. Cohen is the president of the 700,000-member Communications Workers of America, “the largest telecommunications union in the world.” Jealous is the president and chief executive officer of the NAACP. Their “conversations in recent years” about the malign influence of conservative donors in politics developed into the “invite-only and off-the-record” meetings in June and December, where representatives of “30 to 35 groups” pledged “a total of millions of dollars and dozens of organizers to form a united front” on the issues of “getting big money out of politics, expanding the voting rolls while fighting voter ID laws, and rewriting Senate rules to curb the use of the filibuster to block legislation.” The most recent meeting was held at the headquarters of the 3-million-strong National Education Association, which is less than half a dozen blocks north of where President Barack Obama works.

    [...]

    Who showed up to the progressive retreat? Again, it is hard to say because Kroll does not divulge all of the participants. Can’t alert the enemy to your every move, I suppose. But here in alphabetical order are the groups he does mention: the AFL-CIO, the Center for American Progress, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, Color of Change, Common Cause, Demos, the Friends of the Earth, the League of Conservation Voters, Mother Jones (in a “non-editorial” capacity!), National People’s Action, the National Wildlife Federation, People for the American Way, the Piper Fund, Public Campaign, the Service Employees International Union, the United Auto Workers, and Voto Latino. Brune of the Sierra Club predicts there will be 50 participating organizations by spring.

    Insiders might note that some of these groups were among those dropped from the Democracy Alliance—the secret consortium of progressive donors organized by George Soros and Rob McKay—when it opted for intervening directly in Democratic Party politics rather than seeding less partisan and more ideological institutions. So on some level the Democracy Initiative should be considered the Democracy Alliance’s younger and slightly less attractive sister. But it is also more than that.

    The crack researchers at the Center for American Freedom tell me that totaling the reported revenue of only a portion of the groups participating in the Democracy Initiative gives you a figure of around $1.69 billion. Somewhat ironic, isn’t it, that an association of organizations with combined revenue of more than a billion dollars is launching a campaign to get “big money out of politics.” Like all such campaigns, of course, the Democracy Initiative is less about getting money out of politics than it is about getting the wrong sort of money out of politics—in this case, the sort of money dispensed by industries and ideologues opposed to the progressive agenda.

    The Democracy Initiative will “target” Chevron, “which gave $2.5 million to a Super PAC backing House Republican candidates in 2012.” The Democracy Initiative will target Google “for its continued membership with the generally pro-Republican U.S. Chamber of Commerce.” The Democracy Initiative will target the American Legislative Exchange Council, an association of businesses and state-legislators that promotes conservative laws and has been under ferocious assault from liberals seeking to stigmatize its donors and thereby cause its collapse. “We’re going to put the pressure on ALEC even more,” Phil Radford of Greenpeace told Mother Jones. ALEC should consider itself warned.

    And not only ALEC: The Democracy Initiative seems to be a fairly straightforward attempt to change the rules of the game so that greens and unions can push their agenda through the Senate. The logic here is that the Democrats have at least a chance of retaking the House in 2014, in which case Sen. Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) would be the only obstacle to in-your-face progressivism. Why else the emphasis on filibuster reform? It was the threat of a filibuster in 2009 and 2010 that prevented the Senate from considering the Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade energy tax bill as well as the card-check legislation that would make it easier for unions to bolster their ranks and political power. Without a Republican House and the ability of minority parties to block legislation in the Senate, the chances of passing bills to amnesty illegal immigrants and raise taxes further would improve. Fighting efforts to restrict “voting rights” is a useful means of mobilizing the Democratic vote. One team is playing the long game, friends, and it is definitely not the conservative one.

    What little we know of the Democracy Initiative provides a useful lesson in the ability of fantasy to inspire political action. Progressivism sets the political and cultural and social agenda; it is embedded in Hollywood, in Silicon Valley, in the academy, in journalism, and in much of corporate America; many of the richest counties in the nation support liberal Democrats; President Obama outraised and out-spent his Republican challenger; the combined budgets of progressive interest groups and foundations and think tanks and nonprofits and community organizations is practically incalculable; the most liberal president since Lyndon Baines Johnson is barreling ahead with a confrontational and ideological approach to cabinet appointments and budget fights; Republicans and conservatives are in their greatest state of shock and disarray since 1992 and perhaps since 1964; and yet progressive elites such as the well-compensated Radford of Greenpeacestill are swinging at the windmill of the “40-plus-year strategy by the Scaifes, Exxons, Coors, and Kochs of the world” to “take over the country.”

    Someone needs to give the members of the Democracy Initiative a tap on the shoulder, a kick in the pants, a wonk-like nudge—anything to wake them from their fantasy of being weak and isolated and besieged, anything to alert them to the fact that it is they, not “the Scaifes, Exxons, Coors, and Kochs of the world” who actually run the country and therefore ought to be covered in a diligent, scrupulous, and adversarial fashion. One thing is for sure: It won’t be the mainstream media that holds the progressive movement to account.

    I’m not going to dance around this and suggest that this is merely politics as usual, only on more determined and grander scale. Why does the right hate freedom of association? we’ll be asked, and pragmatists on the right — worried about how they’ll have to defend Citizens United yet again and afraid of the taint of “conspiracy theories” engaged in by “fringe extremists” — will sneer and call us Visigoths, unknowing in the ways of DC, as they rush to distance themselves from the scorn that we seem always to bear on their behalf.

    But there is a difference here: this is a concerted effort that is largely immune to public scrutiny. It is an effort that has as part of the collusion a supposedly free and neutral press; the imprimatur supposedly intellectually rigorous academe; and the pop-cultural propaganda arm of Hollywood, pushing much of the subtext that will underlie the policy narratives we’ll begin seeing pushed.

    So, if no one else is going to risk ridicule and have the balls to say it, I will: this is a coup. And most of don’t even know it’s happening.

    The way to fight this is to fall back on the Constitution. We can all read it. It isn’t written in arcane language that only a priesthood of robed philosopher kings and queens — many of who are now mere planted political activists — can read and understand. So at each sophistic attempt by the legislature or the courts to deny us our Constitutional protection over natural rights, we must resist, be in through state or local nullification efforts, civil disobedience, lawsuits, or efforts to remove those lawmakers who fail to uphold their Constitutional oath.

    We don’t hold elections on whether or not to uphold the Constitution; at least, not in theory. The New Left, however, doesn’t see it that way, and they are prepared to use the regulatory agencies, Executive Orders, changes to the filibuster rules, and truly saccharine populist demagoguery to bully us into “reasonable compromises” on the breadth and reach of our natural rights.

    We cannot compromise. Compromise is nothing more than losing more slowly, and with each salvo against our natural rights the Left is able to gain a measure of acquiescence, they just grow emboldened and prepare for the next salvo.

    The current GOP establishment leadership, which the GOP just re-elected, has shown it wants nothing more than to live in its comfortable Beltway bubble, cutting deals, agreeing to compromises, and working in a “bi-partisan” way so as not to be labeled “obstructionists.” That is, they are willing to compromise away our rights for their comforts. As such, we cannot look to them for protection, and instead must work even harder to replace them with pro-Constitution representatives.

    Perhaps one way to do this is galvanize a TEA Party initiative that actively — not through mere rhetoric, though an orchestrated alternative media campaign would certainly help, but through whatever procedural and legal pressures brought to bear to have offending Congressman removed from duty, particularly those on “our side,” are at our disposal. And to begin that, we need to know just what our options are. And all of this must take place in the context of state and local nullification and civil disobedience efforts and large scale demonstrations that at least local news will cover — video of which we can then disseminate on social media, going around the leftist narrative gatekeepers of the mainstream national press.

    I’ll say this again, and in all seriousness: this is a coup. We are living through an attempted coup — the result of a New Left strategy that relies less on ostensible violence than it does on the long march through the institutions, and now the concerted funding source to destroy the remains of free market capitalism. And make no mistake: many of those giant pro-market industries that will come under attack will switch positions and join the crony capitalist cabal that allows the left to maintain the appearance of a “capitalist” economy even as what they are institutionalizing is liberal fascism, to be imposed on largely disarmed subjects, who are to be molested through the tax code, the regulatory code, and by the hamstringing of their natural rights, which tyrannical men will claim to lord over and reform as privilege.

    Which they dole out in exchange for their secured and permanent power.

    Businesses are largely risk averse, and those large enough to be targeted will make the pragmatic decision to survive. Smaller businesses, under heavier tax burdens and under duress from regulators and lawmakers (a quid pro quo to the large corporations who join the progressive coup effort), will fold or struggle mightily, limiting competition.

    In much the same way, GOP establishment lawmakers will surrender to big government, recognizing that the appearance of a two party system keeps them safe and flush with campaign money from those who oppose the coup. Because they realize that every once in a while, they’ll be voted into power, and then the large revenue streams and the crony system will, for a period, benefit and enrich them. In fact, it is government qua government that, recognizing the benefits to itself, will clamp down on citizens in order to hold on to the power and perks they are now solidifying for themselves. Party makes no difference. Only virtuous men and women are fit to run a free country, and we surrendered principle for pragmatism along time back — willingly, and while being told it was the only way to win elections. Because shut up, Teabagger Hobbit Visigoth racists.

    My children will not live as slaves to a tyrannical state, no matter its veneer of beneficence. That’s mere construct, an orchestrated effort at appearances and perception control, gauged by a New Left who after 1972 realized it would need to use the tropes and trappings and institutions of a free-market capitalist republic to overtake it from within.

    It is post-modernist philosophy put into physical usage: we have witnessed, if we cared to take notice, the studied and inexorable deconstruction of our Constitution, such that we now have laws deemed Constitutional by the Court that claim that of course a country formed on a Declaration of Independence from a tyrannical centralized authority can be compelled by that centralized authority to enter into private contracts — and that businesses be compelled to offer those contracts — the specifics of which are set by the central government. We have a Court that deemed it Constitutional that of course the government can take private land and give it to a shopping mall developer if the promise of increased revenue for that government comes to be considered and act in the public interest. And soon, we’ll be told that “shall not be infringed” is naturally open to infringements of all kinds, because shut up and think of the children.

    “Equality” today means equality of outcome, or egalitarianism and homogeneity. “Tolerance” today means how dare you give offense — and your “hate speech” must be controlled. “Fair share” today means an immensely disproportionate amount is paid by those scapegoated by the left and given over to the left’s cronies, with some crumbs going to the poor, who become more and more entrenched in their dependence on the state, and more and more permanent clients to the state’s war on the free market.

    To anyone who has studied language — and done so in a way where they didn’t feel compelled to follow the academic party line and pretend the sophistry of the post-structural movement, which has reached its zenith (or from the perspective of Enlightenment classical liberalism, its nadir) in anti-foundationalism — the physical, policy manifestations of such a corruption of our epistemology, informed by the premises we accept for the language that must necessarily describe and construct that epistemology, was an inevitability. As certain linguistic kernel assumptions were adopted, entrenched, and finally institutionalized — by all political stripes (“Yay, it’s the ‘democratization of language and meaning!’ We’re all for democracy! Go us!” — the effects of that adoption, played out in the world of language where language has performative functions (and no where is this moreso than in law and legislative policy), were preordained: collectivism, consensus, mob rule, all dressed up in the finery of studied, rigorous legal interpretation that, once certain conditions for “interpreting” were legitimated, were inevitable. And that’s precisely because the kernel assumptions were all cleverly laid by collectivists to deconstruct and or subsume the notion of individualism on every level.

    This is a coup. And we’ve relied on cowards, charlatans, or know-nothings on “our” side to help push back against it.

    http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=46614

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Come on V.H., this is pure conspiracy theory and has no basis of fact :) We just can’t have these silly notions going around messing up peoples heads. You and I both know that the Progressives only want fairness and equality and would never do anything secretive. They would never purposely change the true story of an event so that the reported story appeases their desires to move their agenda forward. Would they?

  57. gmanfortruth says:

    My Oh My! I commented on HuffPo about Obama and his oath of office today, only stating facts, like that he is not really black, has used two names in his life, and all his records are sealed and noone knows anything about him. Then I stated that the fact he was so revered considering all of those fact were a miracle, or that a whole lot of people are totally clueless.

    My post was not attacked at all, but I sure was! I was laughing so hard I had tears flowing, as I was called everything but a white man. Then I realized it wasn’t that funny, cuz they vote and breed. Maybe they are why abortion is legal. :roll:

    • Bottom Line says:

      ” My post was not attacked at all, but I sure was! ”

      …A sure sign of the inability to reason.

      Call them on it, …they’ll usually act proud and dignified and criticize the debate itself.

  58. @Buck………well, sir, I am afraid you lost me on the background checks for now. Making the assumption that the interview I saw on the news this morning is correct, I now fall on the no way Jose’ side of background checks for the mental.

    Referencing, the “Hello Kitty Bubble Gun” fiasco. A five year old girl, standing in line talking with her five year old friend waiting on a school bus…discussing shooting each other with Hello Kitty Bubble Guns……and this young girl was suspended for, and I quote, “originally suspended for 10 days for issuing a “terroristic threat,” which was later reduced to, and I quote, ” The charge was lowered to “threatening to harm another student” after a meeting between the girl’s mother and school officials, and the suspension was reduced to two days.”

    Then the girl was, and I quote, “The kindergartener also had to submit to psychological testing before school officials allowed her to return to school. The psychologist said that she posed no danger to others,”

    The parents also said, and I quote, “They interrogated the little girl for approximately three hours — without her parents present.”

    This same little girl was also told that she could go to jail for those comments.

    I literally HATE frivolous lawsuits…HATE THEM WITH A PASSION…….but, I am on the parents side now, suing the school, the school officials individually, and the person that reported this incident. I hope the suit goes through and it ruins those individuals responsible financially. They deserve it.

    I am also sure that since the “Hello Kitty Bubble Gun” which “bombards” the victim with deadly soap bubbles probably violates the ten round suggestion as I am sure that bombards means more than ten bubbles.

    It is things like this that make me not want to support any form of control if this is the way it is going to be. Stupidity at its highest…..I hope they are successful.

    Whew…..this one got my dander up…and before my anti oxidant V8.

    Oh, It was also said that since a psychologist was involved at the public school level, it is a part of her permanent record…….so this terrorist little girl 20 years from now, with a soap bubble gun that fires more than ten soap bubbles……has a record. Unbelievable.

    • Really Colonel? Some stupid school administrators somewhere going completely crazy over a little girl’s so-called threat to attack another little girl with bubbles, and you are willing to throw out all of the work we had done on background checks?

      Sigh….

      • Got your attention…..good morning, counselor. Nope, of course not…..simply pointing out how stupid this thing is getting.

        I really am waiting on the more than ten bubbles issue……

        But what about the psychologist permanent record issue…….surely this little girl will be successful in having her record expunged.

        • PS…..how was the skiing trip?

        • No skiing this past weekend; was planning a trip for an upcoming weekend — February 2d to be exact.

          I completely agree with you — this is absolutely ridiculous and needs to be addressed once and for all.

          • ***THUD***

            Did you hear that? Someone passed out because a gun totin’ Colonel Cowboy from Texas and a Liberal Yankee Lawyer from the Northeast…………….agreed yet again.

            Ya know, on a side note……………it is things like this on both sides that are unbelievable. No wonder we can’t get a balanced budget from Washington……sheesh.

            • You were the one about to renege on our background check proposal…all because of a little girl with a bubble gun! :)

              • This is true but this happened in “yankee country”……..you know, some of that “progressive thinking”…..

                In Texas, we would make sure that the bubble gun shot a concise shot group.

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