Mid Week Discussion

After last night’s State of the Union Address, I’m sure that there should be some fairly good comments on Obama’s speech. While I had some fun with it last night, I need to go back and read what he said more closely.  Here is a link to the speech:   http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/12/transcript-obama-state-union-speech/

After the speech, Marco Rubio took over the TV screen (I missed this completely) with the GOP answer to Obama’s speech.  His comments can be found here:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/13/rubio-obama-must-abandon-his-obsession-with-tax-hikes/

In other news, it appears that the Chris Dorner story has come to a smokey end.  He is believed to be dead in a burned out cabin in California, after shooting and killing one more cop going out.  The charred body must still be identified, but it looks like it will be Dorner.

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  1. Happy Hump Day :)

    A quick note to Bob. Sir, Each day, as discussions carry on, Buck, Todd and Charlie work hard to argue their point of view. JAC, V.H. and many others do the same. Instead of complaining, bring your views forward so that they can be discussed. I’m sure that any and all issues are up for grab. If you would like, you can even write an article and send it to USW. I’ll work with him to get it published. Life of Illusion and I are trying to bring forward more things to discuss. While I may hit on the Conspiracy theory world, I don’t expect much conversation. But it helps to understand different points of view.

    I really want more left leaning posters here to share there views and engage in debate. It’s hard to debate a political subject when only the right wingers show up to chat. Join in Mate!

  2. obama: “lies, crap, empty promises, more crap, more lies, more taxes, rich people need to pay more, spread the wealth, eliminate more liberty and freedom, more crap, the government is always right, Congress, shut up and do what I say”

    Rubio: (didn’t watch it, because that would have entailed watching all of obama, which I did not do, because I did not want to go to bed angry or with an upset stomach. However, I am sure that Rubio said basically the same thing, but in an opposite way to obama.

    It is all crap, so let’s get the enema bag out, fill it, shove it up government’s ass and flush the results.

    People need to wake up, it is time for a revolution.

    CM

    • CM, Good Day to you and your family :)

      I do believe we are heading in the direction of a Revolution. As I have posted before, people aren’t buying up guns and ammo to just hand them over to the Feds. They are preparing for war. I think the gun grabbers bit off way more than they could chew recently.

      • Gman;

        I am not promoting a violent revolution, at least not yet. But the Constituion and Jefferson were very clear about ‘our’ responsibility of taking the government back, and it being done every 20 years or so.

        Both me and mine are very well. Hope all at your ranch are likewise.

        CM

  3. I had expected that the fire that killed Dorner was started by the cops. http://www.prisonplanet.com/lapd-audio-from-dorner-siege-burn-this-motherfucker.html

    Don’t kill a cop, because you will not be given any rights to a trial by jury. You will simply be killed. This is what we have allowed our country to become. :(

    • Hold the fort down, I got therapy to go to (yes, Todd, it’s physical therapy :) )

      • Gman,

        I just hope after they get done fix’in your body, they’ll focus on the really big challenge – fix’in your mind!

        • Todd, You are so kind! Sadly, at my age, I’m not sure if the body will ever be “fixed”. I’ll just be happy with pain free at this point! Having been evaluated on several occasions, it has been determined that my mind is quite well. I appreciate your concern on the matter, but you need not worry, all is well there. I even received extra credit for NOT having that mental disorder known as Liberalism :)

          I hope you and the wife have a great Valentine’s Day! Try not to forget to take your little blue pill today. :lol:

    • Just A Citizen says:

      This from within the article sums up the issue.

      “As Mike Adams writes today, “If the LAPD is going to abandon its mission of public safety and function as an armed vigilante justice squad, dishing out death sentences to those it believes are guilty — without a trial or anything resembling due process — then they might as well throw away all their badges as just call themselves the LA Gang Squad. Because that’s how they’re acting.””

      For those that say this is over stating the situation I give you two women shot in a truck because the vehicle looked like the suspect’s. The LAPD’s response. Our guys were just a little jumpy, sorry.

      One of the really sad parts in this was hearing “conservative” commentators cheer on the idea of just killing this guy. Completely on the police side in a vigilante mode rather than Law Enforcement mode.

      Mark Levin actually called for them to burn the cabin to the ground with the guy in it on national radio. This from a “conservative” who harps on the Constitution and the USA being a Nation of Laws and not Men. I found his comments SICKENING.

    • We are actually returning to an earlier age. back in ’59 when I was 12 and living on the 6th floor of an apartment building facing Broadway in Upper Manhattan, there was a Woolworth across the street. Apparently every weekend it was being burglarized. The cops in my precinct,(the 34, known as a country club in those days) staked out the premises. About 10 on a Sunday night, while watching TV in the living room, thee was the sound of breaking glass and a series of bam!, bam! bam’s! Looking out the window, which admittedly I should not have done, I saw some guy running across the street with cops in pursuit. they were exchanging gunfire. Within minutes the neighborhood was full of cops from all over, a 10-13 no doubt. Next morning we heard that the 19 year old perp had been found. He apparently “fell” while trying to jump from one roof of a five story tenement to another a block away. Now, even back then, if you believe the “fell” part I have a bridge to Brooklyn to sell you. Moral of the story, never shoot at cops!

  4. I will have to wait. Did not watch it….I am sure that it was a sequel. I will watch the commentaries from fox and CNN…….right and left viewpoints…..then wait for the increased taxes.

    • Colonel, have you heard the dueling radio ads over Rick Perry’s Ca trip? He had a radio ad here recruiting CA companies to move to TX. Gov. Brown responded negatively in the news, then some TX pac aired a negative ad on Perry. It’s been fun. I looked for the ads on the inet but could not find them.

      • No…have not heard them but Perry is on a blitz for bringing business to Texas. It is called competition. If California does not like it, then change its environment to compete with Texas or other states. But, a responsible governor should try to benefit his state’s economics by any legal means necessary…..and going after business is fair game.

  5. For you that are worried about the use of drones…… Would you support the use of ARMED or even unarmed drones to track fugitives from the law? Let’s use Dorner as an example. Whether or not the law enforcement set the fire at the cabin does not matter…..what about taking out the cabin by a missile to prevent further deaths on the ground? What about using drones as a surveillance to prevent high speed chases?

    D13’s opinion……not only No…..but hell NO. But interested in other opinions.

    My opinion is that once you start the use of drones for surveillance….and lethal action….by-passing the use of on the ground assets, you are giving up a serious freedom. There has been NO government action that has ever been limited…..NONE. What happens next? The taking out of vehicles on public roadways, the surveillance of your back yard on a hunch? The use of drones for surveillance use by the EPA? I am not talking about geographical mapping….I am talking about the use of surveillance WITHOUT warrant…..which is already happening on a small scale now.

    It is one thing to use them on the battlefield….but another to use them privately. Comments?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      d13

      Good morning Sir;

      Lets deal with surveillance first. The police and feds ALREADY monitor us from the air. They claim their work is specific but there have been video copies escape showing that the scoped out ladies sunbathing in the back yard. Don’t anyone ask for the link because I remember these from many years ago.

      So the slope has already been greased. What difference whether a manned craft or a robot?

      Personally I have no problem with their use for surveillance, under tight and limited operating orders. Such as the borders. But it seems to me there are less costly ways to get that done.

      The problem is that they will ALWAYS suffer from Mission Creep. So we either ban their use all together by anyone other than Military, or we have to create a new structure of Citizen monitoring and enforcement of the Rules. The latter is simply not realistic. So ban them.

      As for ARMING them………..NEVER. ONLY on the battlefield.

      • True but surveillance has been from helicopters and not stealth drones….unless you have info that I do not. I have seen satellite and helicopter assets but not drone asset. I have no problem with border security at all….as long as it stays in the exclusionary zone or zone of defense. But there was serious talk in the Dorner case, of taking him out with a drone if he tries to escape or if he refuses to give up. I know this for fact.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          d13

          You can add fixed wing to your list but otherwise we are in agreement. I am not aware of drones being used until recently. And that use has not been confirmed to my satisfaction yet. I believe that was actually the EPA.

          We are in agreement on the use for border security. But it should not replace human assets.

          The talk about using them on Dorner, both in Govt and among the public was sickening and frightful. That is all the proof I need to confirm my opposition to their use beyond the border.

          • Yes to fixed wing….the EPA has actually used a modification of remote aircraft. Limited range. We have standing orders on our ranch to shoot them down if we see them. So far, we have not seen any. It was threatened at one time. We know the difference between mapping and surveillance…it is very easy to tell. And they can fly no higher than 500 ft. With a remote site within three miles.

            But…..I am totally against it. Totally.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              d13

              I knew you were a Montanan at heart………….. :)

            • Just A Citizen says:

              d13

              Colonel, I just remembered a funny story slightly related to the topic.

              My Dad worked nights and thus slept during the day. Down the road a ways was one of those radio controlled airplane strips.

              On Saturday mornings dozens of model plane enthusiasts would congregate and fly their little planes around, up and down and around some more. It was quite fun to watch their acrobatics but they made a very annoying sound. One that could keep a working stiff awake when he wanted to sleep.

              Two Saturday mornings in a row, filled with the blast of a double barrel 12 gauge and the flight path of those little planes changed forever. Never again invading our air space, which was defined by the range of that shotgun and the fear the shooter might escalate to a larger weapon.

              Dad saw it as a great game. He called it “duck huntin without leavin the house”.

    • Bottom Line says:

      I considered this the other day, Colonel.

      My answer was virtually identical to yours.

  6. Just listened to Rand Paul’s response. Certainly the best of the three.

  7. So far have listened to Fox, MSNBC, and CNN. Reading now and listening to responses from individuals.

    I do have a question for all. Is there anybody on here that disagrees with the concept that if sequestration happens, cut the entitlement program dollar for dollar the same as military?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      d13

      Not if they won’t sit down and work out a better plan.

      Cut them all, across the board. Including the budget for Congressional And Executive Staff.

  8. WATER!

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Kathy

      ROTFLMAO………………… Hang on a minute. I need to go find my comment on Huff Po last night regarding the dust up over WATER.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Kathy

      Here you go. Needless to say my comment received much “affection” from the lefties.

      “The commentary so far is very disturbing, but I suppose not surprising.

      Summed up it goes like this: Rubio is unelectable because he took a drink of water. Ms. Clinton on the other hand is a sure thing, despite being the Sec of State in charge when Benghazi was left hangin in the wind.

      But that sums up the state of our political intelligence in the year 2013. Good grief, maybe the apocalypse crowd is right. We are coming to the end.”

      • :grin:

      • A couple good comments I’ve read:

        1. One man grabs a water, the other…..your wallet.

        Liberals outraged at water grab!

        2. Rubio: drinking water. Obama: treading water. MSM: carrying water. Americans: underwater.

        Then did you read where good ol’ Chris Matthews called Rubio’s speech, “primitive” (among other things). Let’s just close our eyes and imagine a Fox News person using the word primitive and Obama in any sentence together, let alone using it to describe him or a speech of his. Yikes!

    • They pulled the same thing on Jindal when he gave the response. They attacked him for form rather than substance. It worked so why not try it again.

  9. Thought I’d add this to the list :

    Steny Hoyer: We Have a “Paying-For” Problem, Not a Spending Problem

  10. Since I did not understand what the WATER……now dubbed water-bottle gate……I had to research it. Am I missing something again…..Rubio takes a drink of water…..and he is castigated for it….someone please explain to me.

  11. D13, JAC and Bottom Line, I’m 100% in agreement on the drone issue. I, however am not happy at all with cops becoming judge, jury and executioner. This is wrong, it is murder and these cops should be tried as such. Sorry, but shooting cops does not give cops some special right to break the law.

    To all those useful idiots in the media who applauded this action, they should also be tried as well.

  12. Rubio: ‘Stay Thirsty My Friends’

    “I don’t always respond to the president but, when I do, I drink water. Stay thirsty my friends.” – Senator Marco Rubio

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Kathy

      Now you are causing me great pain. The Colonel has caused me to suffer a headache and not my sides are hurting from laughing.

  13. Just A Citizen says:

    My comment this morning on HuffPo regarding the minimum wage debate.

    “The Federal Govt was NOT granted the authority to set prices on commerce. That includes the price of Labor as well as goods and services. Many of which were not even considered Commerce when the Constitution was written.

    I don’t want the Federal Govt having such authority. It is obnoxious to Freedom and Liberty.

    On the economic side, the minimum wage is just one more example of those who wish to avoid the laws of the Universe by passing some law to escape reality. You can raise those wages and that will have other consequences that are detrimental. Then you will have to pass more laws to fix those problems and the wheels on the bus go round and round.

    For those commenting on the “Corporate greed”, I suggest you take a hard look at which business group is impacted most by “minimum wage” laws.”

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Kathy

        While that is all true, Cruz’s response typifies what I see as the wrong strategy if you oppose the Progressive way.

        Cruz is allowing himself to be pulled into the weeds of “efficiency”, “effectiveness”, “fairness” etc, etc. Next comes competing studies by the “Think Tanks” on both sides designed to shore up the “facts” for each side. And the wheels on the bus go round and round.

        The argument is simple. We did not Give the Fed Govt this Authority. It is a direct attack on freedom, liberty and justice. So if you don’t believe in those key American Principles then feel free to push for more Govt PRICE CONTROLS.

        Now you see, the next point is critical. Look straight into the eye of the media hack and ask the other side, “Why have you abandoned the core American Principles of Freedom, Liberty and Justice?”

  14. D13 – If you’ve done so recently and I’ve missed it, I apologize. But could you give us a real status report? Also, how are other border states doing?

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/282845-napolitano-says-us-borders-have-never-been-stronger

    • Just A Citizen says:

      From Napolitano’s remarks:

      ““But too often, the ‘border security first’ refrain simply serves as an excuse for failing to address the underlying problems.”

      I have seen this very comment made in several places the past week.

      Now NOTICE: Nobody explains WHAT the “fundamental problems” are. They then move quickly do discussing the Illegal Aliens who are here now, or the Dream Act.

      That is how you manipulate media and public opinion.

    • You say it-And they will come! We should secure the border first.

      As Amnesty Looms, Illegal Immigration Picks Up Speed in Arizona

      Katie Pavlich
      News Editor, Townhall

      Feb 13, 2013 12:40 PM EST
      Click if you like this post!

      During his State of the Union address last night, President Obama touted the lowest illegal border crossings in 40 years, but with amnesty looming and border enforcement most likely coming after citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants, law enforcement officials in Arizona are seeing an uptick in activity.

      “We are seeing an uptick in bodies as of the last couple of weeks. We are starting to see large groups again in our AOR [Area of Responsibility]. The groups are up into the 20 to 40 range,” Pinal County Sheriff Department Lieutenant and SWAT team member Matthew Thomas tells Townhall.

      Late Monday, the Yavapai County Sheriff’s Office released a warning to the public about a traffic stop involving illegal immigrants near Cordes Junction, Ariz. an area more than 200 miles north of the Mexican border.

      “During a drug interdiction detail on February 7, 2013, involving Yavapai County Sheriff’s Office K9 deputies, a gold Dodge Caravan was stopped for an equipment violation on north I17 in the area of Cordes Junction. The 3:15 PM traffic stop resulted in contact with a male driver who produced a Mexican identification card but was otherwise unlicensed to drive. While speaking with the driver, the deputy saw approximately 15 individuals attempting to hide within the van. During the deputy’s request for additional units, the driver and 4 others fled into the adjacent area. The deputy was able to contain the remaining occupants pending arrival of assisting deputies. Attempts to locate the driver were not successful. Based on the deputies training and experience, it appeared these individuals were illegal aliens,” the warning stated.

      ICE officials were notified of the situation and later determined everyone in the group was undocumented.

      Thomas tells Townhall Pinal County deputies are bracing for a “mad dash” as hints of amnesty continue.

      http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/02/13/as-amnesty-looms-illegal-immigration-picks-up-speed-n1511700

  15. Hate to seem nit picky-but “We are Citizens” instead of “We the People”-maybe it’s just me but I think there’s a pretty big difference in how one interprets those two.

    And whats with the rant that gun control needs to be allowed a vote. Isn’t it Reid that is responsible for most of the “not allowing a vote” that’s happening right now?

    And What the heck does this little gem, even mean?

    “We’ll bring down costs by changing the way our government pays for Medicare, because our medical bills shouldn’t be based on the number of tests ordered or days spent in the hospital. They should be based on the quality of care that our seniors receive.”

    And lets not forget the one JAC posted:

    JAC said-A snippet from a story on Huff Po regarding Mr. Obama’s promise to bypass Congress on climate change if they do not act according to his wishes. This one paragraph should be sent to every person you know. If it doesn’t wake them up I am not sure what will.

    “But the federal government has tremendous power when it comes to driving the clean energy industry. Its vast reach into the economy makes it uniquely able to trigger the private sector to direct investment one way or another. As Christian Parenti wrote previously for HuffPost, taken together, federal, state and local government spending makes up nearly 40 percent of gross domestic product. “

    • V.H. And whats with the rant that gun control needs to be allowed a vote. This is the proof that Obama simply does not understand the term :shall not be infringed”. At this point, I really don’t care what they vote on or do an Executive Order on, it matters not. That would be the biggest (and best) mistake the corrupt govt can do. Let them try!

  16. And this pre-kindergarten -is this really necessary-do 4 year olds really need to be in school or is this more of away to supply very expensive childcare?

    • Same thing as “Head Start”. Which was also a failure. Why is our education system so bad? Government involvement.

    • One other thing I wonder about when it comes to the school thing-is he talking mandatory or what?

    • I took some education classes in college. Now that was over 40 years ago so I suppose the research could have changed. O said that toddlers that attended preschool outperformed other kids in school and did so throughout their school careers. That is in direct contradiction to what I learned. The research 40 years ago said that the preschooled children initially excelled but by third grade all were equal. I would think that the home environment and parental attitudes have much more influence on students performance than a year is preschool. Just ask Dr. Carson.

    • Yes its completely insane gman. Obama wants a hostile nation to invade? Reducing the nuclear stockpile to only 1000 nukes, sound the alarms, 1000 nukes surely isnt enough!!!!

      These articles are part of the problem here, you should do a “does this sound rational and sane?” check before posting them up.

      Obama does not want to destroy America, you dont need to check under your bed and in your closet at night to see if he is lurking there.

  17. It leaves you shaking your head: how did Barack Obama manage to win in November with this kind of failed performance?

    Note: let’s add to the litany of Obama’s economic failures the fact that a record number of Americans–over 47 million–are on food stamps. Even worse than the sheer number is the fact that in the 1970s only one out of 50 Americans was on food stamps. Today, a shocking one out of 6.5 is.

    JOE SCARBOROUGH: You know, I wish Marco Rubio would have said: you want to know what the state of the Union is? Let me tell you what the state of the Union is. Average income of Americans has dropped five percent. Not since Barack Obama became President of the United States, but since the recession ended. Our economy’s in transition. More Americans are being left behind. Senior citizens aren’t going to be assured of these entitlement programs for long. We’re six trillion dollars deeper in debt today than we were when Barack Obama became President. Barack Obama’s allowed the national debt to go up by 60% himself since he was President. Four million more Americans are out of work today than were working when Barack Obama became President. We’ve got the weakest recovery in over 70 years with Barack Obama as President of the United States. It is time to think big. It is time to go long. It is time to come together. Why couldn’t anybody in washington say that last night?

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2013/02/13/scarborough-sotu-response-rips-obamas-failed-economic-record#ixzz2KoTxWLek

    • I thought it interesting MSNBC’s RINO bashed Obama. Then you get to the end,
      “It is time to think big.”(like those that say the stimulus failed because it was too small?)
      “It is time to go long.” (long as in Great Depression long? FDR kept doubling down on his failed vision, just like Obama has)
      “It is time to come together.” (didn’t Obama blame the Repug’s several times in this speech for our problems? Never his fault or the Dem senate? Sequestration was a WH ideal, now somehow it’s the Repug’s fault if this happens? If you didn’t want it to happen, why did YOU make it part of last year’s “compromise”?)

  18. The evidence so far:

    So here’s what we know:

    1) The LAPD engaged in a wild, frenzied attempt to execute Dorner. This resulted in LAPD officers engaging in the attempted murder of innocent civilians, including one surfer and two women in a pickup truck. (Question: Why are LAPD officers who shot at innocent citizens not being charged with attempted murder?)

    2) Once Dorner was holed up in a cabin, the LAPD chose to fire tear gas canisters into the home instead of waiting him out and forcing a surrender after a long standoff.

    3) LAPD officers know full well that tear gas canisters can set off fires.

    4) Once the fire broke out, Dorner was a dead man. If he fled the fire, he would be shot down by the LAPD. If he stayed in the cabin, he would be burned alive. This is the new brand of “justice” the LAPD is dishing out in 2013.

    5) (Added by me) At no time was there a question or concern of any hostages. Not one thing, nadda. They didn’t matter!

    I’m not condoning the actions of Dorner, who appears to have murdered at least four victims. But if the LAPD is going to abandon its mission of public safety and function as an armed vigilante justice squad, dishing out death sentences to those it believes are guilty — without a trial or anything resembling due process — then they might as well throw away all their badges as just call themselves the LA Gang Squad. Because that’s how they’re acting. They can even have their own gang signs that they flash at each other before running another taxpayer-funded drive-by.

    Dorner succeeds where the media has failed

    Whether Dorner is really dead at this point or somehow managed to escape the fire (a possibility that has been reported), he has accomplished one astonishing thing that even the media could not achieve: The exposing of the total criminality of the LAPD and its complete abandonment of law.

    Even if Dorner is dead, the LAPD still comes out of this looking not only utterly incompetent but — even worse – driven by vengeance rather than law. As every citizen reading this can easily recognize, that’s a very dangerous attitude for a police force to carry. In this frenzied manhunt, the whole world watched while the LAPD exposed itself as a gang of reckless idiotswho openly fire their guns at innocent civilians and who ram citizens’ vehicles with their police cars in acts of sheer madness and desperation.

    “These lunatics broadsided the side of his truck, spun him around and started shooting at him,” said the attorney for one of the victims of the LAPD murder attempts.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/lapd-pulls-waco-on-christopher-dorner-orders-media-to-stand-down-before-burning-dorner-alive-to-silence-him-forever.html

    • Listening to the radio tapes of the LAPD, their actions were not that of cops, but people engaging in war. If this doesn’t scare the hell out of all of you, something is wrong. This was not any kind of police action that I have been trained for, and I have trained for a lot.

      They say they found his drivers license next to him. Really? So the DL is fireproof! Oh my, we have some serious corruption problems in this country. :roll:

      • Thought he threw the wallet out the window last week????????

        • 2:20 a.m., Thursday, Feb. 7: A shuttle bus driver turns in a wallet with an LAPD badge and a picture ID of Dorner to San Diego police. The wallet was found fewer than five miles from the boat, near San Diego International Airport.

          http://www.globalnews.ca/timeline+of+events/6442808317/story.html

          • Anita, Dorner was murdered. He was not going to leave there outside of a bodybag. All of the radio transmissions support this. There wasn’t going to be a trial. The nature of the beast exposed itself :(

            • Just for the heck of it-a little conflicted about this situation. Now I certainly don’t believe that cops should just kill people. But I have to wonder in this situation-where the man had killed several people prior to this incident. The fact that he had that day while they where trying to apprehend him already shot two people and one of them died. The fact that he was heavily armed, trained, and no one was really sure just what type of weapons or explosives he had in his possession. And he was at the time still firing at people and trying to kill them. He had already made it clear that he had no intention of giving his self up and not only expected to die but was going to insure they had no other choice. The fact that they use tear gas all the time in these situations. And your assumption that they would just shoot him if he left the cabin-is just an assumption. And the fact that he was given a chance to give up and refused. And the fact that even after the tear gas was thrown he would probably still have the ability to decide to give his self up. With all this-is this really murder?

              • It’s hard to make a distinction. Dead is dead, but there was clear and present danger. I’d say they killed him, not murdered him. Self defense.

              • Oh, forgot-he also already showed that he was willing to break into people’s homes and keep them tied up and terrified for days.

              • I am not denying that he most likely would have died anyway, in some way that would have been self defense. I’m waiting on the link to come available on the police radio transmissions. That is what tells the story. They pre-planned the burning of the building. If he came out, he was dead, if he stayed in, he was dead.

                Better plan. Wait till he is starving, cold and weak. If he don’t off himself or come out shooting, he could have been taken alive. They never gave that a chance. The plan was to kill him, period. That is murder. He still had a right to Habeus Corpus. he had a right to trial by jury. He most likely needed a shrink, big time. Mentally Ill? Insane? Dead men can’t testify, remember?

              • He had made his self clear -his intent was to kill as many as he could. Just how long must the police allow a very dangerous man to remain armed and dangerous, who wants nothing more than to kill. They had requested he give his self up-he refused. Seems to me in cases were people barricade themselves in-the police try to bargain with them and find out what they want-in this case we already know what he wanted-to KILL-KILL-KILL!

              • No doubt about that V. I would say he was quite crazy. They could have tried, they didn’t.

              • It really don’t matter at this point, nothing will happen. The bad guy is dead, end of story. Soon, everyone will forget about him, and the two girls delivering newspapers who got shot up in their truck. Our society has lost it’s morality. I think you already know that :(

              • Well, like I said G I’m conflicted-but because of all I stated above-I really don’t agree they should have allowed this man more hrs. to attempt to hurt people. But more proof may come out that changes my mind. But I’m gonna have to have more to condemn the police in this instance. Now show me that they did something to insure this cabin would burst into flame-like using a lot more tear gas than usual-or making sure all the exits were blocked. Then I’ll agree with you.

              • V, Just listen to the radio transmissions I posted above. Not much else is needed as proof.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                V.H.

                It is quite simple really.

                Think to other times where a murderer of several people has been cornered in a house.

                We see these play out on TV with the hovering news cameras.

                Now tell me when in those times the police burned the house down around the murderer.

    • Torrance Police, not LAPD did the second shooting. It’s not unreasonable for it to take some time before charges are filed, they have to investigate (or buy silence).
      Dorner had released his hostages, so it’s likely they had reports he was alone. There is a fair chance they called on him to surrender. He had already declared war against them, I’m not too upset they used lethal force. I think a full SWAT team should have been able to shoot him and been better at it than he was.

      The most bothersome thing to me is how unprofessional they have been from start to finish.
      Liberals want only “trained” police officers to have guns to protect us. They say a CCW holder in a crowded theater would shoot wildly, recklessly and kill or injure innocent bystanders… NYPD, LAPD have just recently done exactly that and seem immune to the consequences a CCW holder would face in the same position. And to have to go Medieval to end Dorner, that’s modern law enforcement at it’s best? Are cops gonna start carrying torches?

      • Details, details, LOL. Have you heard the recordings of the radio traffic? They murdered him, period. Did he likely deserved the death penalty? That may have happened, but at the hands of a jury, like our laws say. There is lots more to come out, should make for an interesting story. At least no kids are involved.

        • Procedure is the key. LEO’s are exempt only when they follow their legally (court accepted) recognized rules. I have no doubt they intended to kill him, but it was also his intention do die and take as many of them with him as possible.

  19. Obama on “Climate Change”
    Now, the good news is, we can make meaningful progress on this issue while driving strong economic growth. I urge this Congress to get together, pursue a bipartisan, market-based solution to climate change, like the one John McCain and Joe Lieberman worked on together a few years ago. But if Congress won’t act soon to protect future generations, I will. I will direct…

    (APPLAUSE)

    I will direct my cabinet to come up with executive actions we can take, now and in the future, to reduce pollution, prepare our communities for the consequences of climate change, and speed the transition to more sustainable sources of energy.

    Now, four years ago, other countries dominated the clean-energy market and the jobs that came with it. And we’ve begun to change that. Last year, wind energy added nearly half of all new power capacity in America. So let’s generate even more. Solar energy gets cheaper by the year. Let’s drive down costs even further. As long as countries like China keep going all-in on clean energy, so must we. Now, in the meantime, the natural gas boom has led to cleaner power and greater energy independence. We need to encourage that. That’s why my administration will keep cutting red tape and speeding up new oil and gas permits.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/12/transcript-obama-state-union-speech/#ixzz2Kobll1AY

    China going “all in” on clean energy, what a freaking lie that is. China is building coal fired electric plants, our idiot-n-chief is trying to bankrupt the coal industry. The simple fact that he spouts about the fraud of Climate Change, he is nothing more than a mafia boss trying to extort all the money they can from us.

    CommonMan has a point, we need a Revolution. It don’t have to be violent. Maybe that can be a subject of an article and discussion soon, any opinions? (YES, I WANT YOUR VIEWS!)

  20. This is comical. http://www.usnews.com/news/offbeat/articles/2013/02/12/hacker-warns-of-zombies-on-2-mich-tv-broadcasts

    If they hack into JP Morgan and shut down the welfare cards for a longtime, we could have a real zombie apocalypse. :)

  21. This is fantastic! I support this company and it’s decision totally! :)

    Olympic Arms, Inc. announces New York State sales policy will no longer serve first responders

    Olympic Arms is a staunch believer in and defender of the Constitution of the United States, and with special attention paid to the Bill of Rights that succinctly enumerates the security of our Divinely given Rights. One of those Rights is that to Keep and Bear Arms.

    Legislation recently passed in the State of New York outlaws the AR15 and many other firearms, and will make it illegal for the good and free citizens of New York to own a large selection of legal and safe firearms and magazines. We feel as though the passage of this legislation exceeds the authority granted to the government of New York by its citizens, and violates the Constitution of the United States, ignoring such SCOTUS rulings as District of Columbia v. Heller – 554, U.S. 570 of 2008, McDonald v. Chicago – 561 U.S. 3025 of 2010, and specifically the case of United States v. Miller – 307 U.S. 174 of 1939.

    Due the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity – will no longer be served as customers.

    In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York – henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.

    If the leaders of the State of New York are willing to limit the right of the free and law abiding citizens of New York to arm themselves as they see fit under the Rights enumerated to all citizens of the United State through the Second Amendment, we feel as though the legislators and government entities within the State of New York should have to abide by the same restrictions.

    This action has caused a division of the people into classes: Those the government deems valuable enough to protect with modern firearms, and those whose lives have been deemed as having less value, and whom the government has decided do not deserve the right to protect themselves with the same firearms. Olympic Arms will not support such behavior or policy against any citizen of this great nation.

    Olympic Arms invites all firearms manufacturers, distributors and firearms dealers to join us in this action to refuse to do business with the State of New York. We must stand together, or we shall surely fall divided.

    Sincerely,

    Brian Schuetz
    President
    Olympic Arms, Inc.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/13/olympic-arms-inc-announces-new-york-state-sales-policy-will-no-longer-serve-first-responders/#ixzz2Kp0DYbuY

  22. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought you folks would enjoy the personal note I got from Debbie Wasserman Shultz last night, via email.

    Friend —

    I just walked out of the chamber, and — wow — I still have goosebumps. I couldn’t be more proud of our President.

    Let President Obama — and all my colleagues in Congress — know you support his plans for the coming year:

    So here is my suggestion. I think all SUFAites should compose a short note to Debbie explaining how much you “support his plans” and mail it to the DNC headquarters in Washington D.C.

    Suggestion: Don’t threaten physical harm in your letter. You won’t like the results. Otherwise freedom rules.

  23. The King of the World, Barack Obama, is telling you how he will use his tyrannical powers over you to supposedly fix the climate? The “Audacity of Hope” has become the “Audacity of Stupidity,” both his and the dumbed-down masses of idiots (low information voters) who put this character in the White House, not once but twice. Who is dumb enough to believe that impoverishing the United States’ population and lowering their standard of living is going to change the climate? Tell me. Who is that stupid?

    Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/sotu-the-global-warming-hoax-when-you-play-with-fire-youre-gonna-get-burned/#ixzz2KpanqEvx

    Hey BOB! Let’s debate!

  24. http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/obamas-sotu-lies-twists-turns-treason/

    Bob, where is Bob? I’m ranting again Bob! :)

    • Just A Citizen says:

      gman

      Here is one you can add, as your link above missed it.

      “He said, “Since the last time this Congress raised the minimum wage, 19 states have chosen to bump theirs even higher. Tonight, let’s declare that, in the wealthiest nation on Earth, no one who works full time should have to live in poverty — and raise the federal minimum wage to $9 an hour.”

      $9.00 per hours works out to close to $18,000 per year. BELOW the poverty level.

      Unless of course he is planning to reduce the Median Income even further.

      • JAC, I agree. The first thing that came to my mind when Obama said this was “McDonald’s burger flippers will be known as Chef’s now” This is the Progressives ideology on how to fix the failed government controlled education system. Help their failures be productive through government mandates, which will also fail miserably. :roll:

      • They can raise the minimum wage all they want…it will do nothing for the economy and the smart money knows this. It will put more people on part time status, increase contract labor (there is a wage/hour ruling already that contract labor is not subject to minimum wage), and increase layoffs. It solves nothing…..except to raise prices. It will not contribute one thin dime to the tax base….EXCEPT for Social Security and medi-fraud.

    • “Bob, where is Bob? I’m ranting again Bob!”

      You sure are gman, keep it up I can see this place going somewhere.

  25. To All The SUFA Ladies !!!!!

    I would like to wish all of you a Happy Valentines Day! I pray that your special one in your life treats you like gold and you have a wonderful day with your loved one.

    God Bless all of you and thanks for being a big part of the SUFA family :)

  26. Here’s some comedy! We all need a good laugh now and again :)

    http://conservativevideos.com/2013/02/liberals-move-to-ban-assault-bows-arrows/

  27. Things that make one go HMMM? I like to learn, but i wonder if this is the way to do it. Then again this is happening in Chicago. What say you, SUFA?

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/students-taught-oral-sex-tricks-and-more/?cat_orig=education

    • I say-people have no problem learning to be immoral on their own-why a college wants to Teach them to be so-baffles me. Why parents continue to pay for their children to go to these schools-baffles me even more.

  28. Just A Citizen says:

    It looks like that because of their success with this strategy we can now expect the DNC to continue this practice until it fails.

    That being to promote a Republican as the front runner, then destroy their reputation BEFORE they even get out of the dugout, let alone get up to bat.

    I made this point earlier this week at Huff Po. Namely that it was now obvious the DNC had their crosshairs on Rubio.

    Yesterday it was WATER. Now tonight we have this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/marco-rubio-finances_n_2678744.html

    My opinions of whose next on their list: Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal and maybe Nikki Haley. Chris Christy will be last I think.

    Of course this could change if someone suddenly shows potential for popularity among both moderate and conservative Republicans.

  29. More stupidity from the MSM. They couldn’t report a a kid blowing a bubble right if they wanted too. http://www.prisonplanet.com/how-many-wallets-with-id-cards-in-them-did-dorner-own.html

  30. I always knew all you “righties” are living in the DARK AGES. Now I have PROOF – and a CONFESSION!

  31. Hey JAC,
    You left our “conversation” about Ayn Rand kinda just hanging. :(

    Don’t you want to continue it??

    Did you think I couldn’t cut-n-paste a date? ;)

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Todd

      If you mean the supposed quote, I searched for it on the internet for about a half hour.

      Nothing. So I assumed you either got it from some site like the Onion or made it up. Sorry, but I got distracted after that.

      During my searching I did find an interesting article by her supposed ex lover describing what he saw as the major weaknesses in her approach to her system and some detrimental affects on some of her followers.

      It was very interesting. I’ll find it again and post it here so you can check it out.

      More than willing to continue with anything you like. Just say what it is.

      • I have not read Alas Shrugged. Most of what I know of it comes from here. I did find this awhile back and saved it for some reason. You should get a good laugh out of it anyway.

        http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/atlas-shrugged-the-illuminist-method-foretold-2562336.html?currentSplittedPage=0

        Peace!

        • Just A Citizen says:

          gman

          Good grief!

          The scary part is that there are so many people who actually think like that.

          Apparently they can’t even understand what they read, or they are DELIBERATELY distorting everything to support their conspiracy.

          Which of course would be a Conspiracy in itself.

          Which would mean the Luminati are NOT real, but these people want us to believe they are to hide their true agenda.

          Which is probably ONE WORLD ORDER, or maybe CHAOS.

          • I thought you would find it interesting. I’m not sure what to think about the New World Order stuff. Having One government for the world just doesn’t compute to me. :wink:

          • Bottom Line says:

            What is wrong with a global social order (not coercive government)

            What would be wrong with the whole world coming together and organizing in a way that promotes free will and love of your fellow humans? …as in Libertarianism based with decentralized networks/systems of voluntary communism for things like social/community needs.

            What is wrong with a new global currency that could not be inflated as FRN’s are?

            What would be wrong with being illuminated with discovering universal truth with regard to religion and the origins of our species, our purpose, etc.?

            What is wrong with A New World Black Order out of Chaos?, …as in out of the chaotic mess we are currently in. (Black symbolizes freedom and a combination of all colors. Perhaps yellow should also be mentioned as it represents joy and happiness.)

            The New World Order is whatever the people of the world want it to be. It is our world, and we don’t have to suffer. We don’t have to tolerate evil.

            • Your scaring me now Bottomline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One world-we’re destroying ourselves and our freedoms by allowing a more and more powerful and centralized government control us. You aren’t gonna get world peace, joy and happiness by doing the same to the whole world. Your just gonna end any hope of individual freedom. As far as religion you wouldn’t have any-at least not one that was actually a religion-maybe a pretend, enforced religion leading to, what would amount to a world wide secular theocracy.

              • Bottom Line says:

                Why does peace love freedom joy and happiness scare you?

                Why does the thought of libertarianism scare you?..or volunteering in your local community with your time or money?

                Why does a non-inflatable currency scare you?

                Why does truth scare you?

                Like I said, it is whatever we the people want it to be? It is OUR world. We don’t ave to tolerate evil.

              • Okay, now I think I’m just being played. Libertarianism and it is OUR world and we don’t have to tolerate evil-doesn’t even correlate.

              • Or based on a second reading-I misunderstood your point-Sorry-so lets start again.What you are suggesting will lead to a One World Government IMO. I think it uses a lot of what I want instead of what reality has proven will happen.

              • Bottom Line says:

                Are you suggesting that Liberty is impossible? ..or that we should be slaves and submit to being forced into living how others dictate? …or that freedom/free will is a joke? …or that we should tolerate evil?

                What do you mean exactly?

                Because I think there is a better way.

              • Bottom Line says:

                As soon as I posted, I saw that you had already done so while I was typing – lol

                Gimme a few minutes, as I am assisting an elderly woman with chores at the moment

              • I believe people have been trying to find a better way forever. But what I am saying is that having a government is the will of the majority of the people. It is a reality that I do not believe you or anyone else can overcome or change. Because the reason people want a government to provide a structure is based on the realities of man’s nature. So any attempt to become One World will result in One Government-which will only increase “their” ability to deny us our freedoms.

  32. Interesting look at Electoral reform. The map is cool :) http://fakeisthenewreal.org/reform/

    • If I’d read this before I posted my article-I would have attached mine to yours. My guys idea seems like an easier fix :) His idea is that the problem is not the electoral college, it is the fact that on the State level elections are no longer proportioned in the same way as the electoral college. Basically that our representatives should be proportioned based on both population and geographic locations. So that localities, the real communities we actually live in- could have more power to govern themselves.

      • Locally, we have a chance. Federally, the election is a joke. In Pa for example, 96% of the counties voted for Romney, Obama won the state. I won’t waste my time on Federal elections anymore. Federal govt people are not welcome in these parts, and don’t come here too often. They have been warned.

        • If I’m understanding the man’s point-If the counties had more of a voice at the State level-this would flow into having more of a voice at the Federal level. Because the representative who represented the States would need the support of people based both on location and population.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            V.H.

            I am not sure that would result. But the rural communities would not be as controlled by the urban centers within a given state. To affect the federal elections there would have to be an affect on Congressional District boundaries.

            Now on the flip side, the Dems have convinced themselves that the Republicans STOLE the House by redistricting to favor rural areas. So proposals like this will be said to be just more effort to STEAL the elections and disenfranchise voters. They are completely stuck on the one man one vote concept. They repeat it like some mantra, but don’t seem to understand what it really means in terms of true disenfranchisement.

            The real lesson here is that we have ONE MORE example of how a Progressive Supreme Court INVENTED Federal Authority over State Elections. Keep in mind that it has always been a Progressive Agenda to move this country to Majority Rule, at all levels of Govt.

            We need a new mechanism to constrain the Supreme Court.

  33. Texas Governor Perry to the EPA yesterday on the EPA threat to target the Texas oil industry again after complaints from California about the oil industry offering 3,000 job openings to Californians: “Stay out of Texas…you are not welcome here.” The Texas Attorney General has also said that the State of Texas will fight any and all attempts of the EPA to regulate and inspect anymore Texas business without a VALID complaint and that the Attorney General’s office will accompany any EPA inspection with its own environmental experts. In addition, the EPA is going to be required to have a bonafide Federal Judge warrant. No John Doe type warrants will be executed. In addition, all Law Enforcement agencies in Texas have been notified NOT to exercise any warrant until State Attorney General approval and that may take several weeks.

    The Texas Attorney General has issued guidelines to all Law Enforcement agencies that any forced entry by Federal Marshal executing an EPA warrant will be met with apprehension for trespass unless said entry is approved by the State Attorney General’s Office prior to entry. Attorney General Greg Abbott sated that State’s must exercise their rights to Federal Government over reach and force cooperation by the Federal Government. This is State jurisdiction and the Federal Government needs to understand that it cannot run “roughshod” over the State of Texas. Make no mistake about it. Any Federal agent that does not come to the Attorney General’s Office first will be arrested.

    To support this decision, Attorney General Abbott pointed to the recent case where the Federal Government refused to go after medicaid fraud after it was reported. Citing a broken administration that rubs elbows with “certain manufacturers” , or donors, the State of Texas went after Upsher-Smith Laboratories of New Jersey, and Forest Laboratories and its subsidiary Inwood Laboratories of New York. They must pay the State of Texas a total of $7.9 million and $3 million, respectively. The $10.9 million recovery for the State includes $1.1 million in attorney fees assessed against the defendants. Because the Medicaid program is jointly funded by the State and U.S. taxpayers, the federal government is entitled to a percentage of the settlement proceeds and will get $3,000,000.

    “It is a shame that any state has to use its resources to enforce what the Federal Government should be doing”, said Mr Abbott, “but when you decide to use selective enforcement for political gain, then the Federal Government by default, is assigning the enforcement to the State and Texas will do just that.”

    It was further noted that Upsher-Smith and Forest Laboratories were major donors to the Obama campaign.

  34. D13 did a little more research on this issue of Medicaid fraud and found the following:

    “The State’s enforcement actions cited the defendants for misreporting the prices of various drugs to the Medicaid program. As a result, Medicaid was overcharged for certain of the companies’ products.

    Under state law, drug manufacturers must file reports with the Medicaid program that disclose the prices they charge pharmacies, wholesalers and distributors for their products. When manufacturers improperly report inflated market prices for their drugs, Medicaid reimburses pharmacies at vastly inflated rates. The difference between the reimbursement amount and the actual market price is referred to as the “spread.” The Office of the Attorney General’s enforcement action charged both defendants with using their illegally created spreads to unlawfully induce pharmacies and other providers to purchase the defendants’ products.

    Since 2002, the Civil Medicaid Fraud Division’s recoveries for the State of Texas passed the $400 million mark – while total recoveries for the state and federal governments now exceed $1 billion.

    To obtain more information about the Office of the Attorney General’s efforts to fight Medicaid fraud, access the agency’s website at http://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov.”

    D13 asserts that one way to solve budget problems and short falls is to attack waste and fraud first. This is what Texas is doing. $400 million is not small money to a State. It would seem the Federal Government could learn a lesson here.

  35. In Memoriam – Deputy Sheriff/Detective Jeremiah Mackay

    February 14, 2013 in Gone But Never Forgotten, In the Line of Duty, Police Officer KIlled, Posts by Patrick Sharkey

    Sheriff John McMahon of the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department identified Deputy Sheriff / Detective Jeremiah Mackay, 35, as the LEO who was killed during a gun battle as officers attempted to take a serial killer targeting law enforcement (whose name will not be glorified in this article) into custody.

    Deputy Mackay and another deputy were injured by gun fire as hundreds of rounds were exchanged between many LEOs and this killer in his final attempts to escape from being taken into custody alive. Both deputies were flown via medivac helicopter to Loma Linda University Medical Center where Deputy Mackay succumbed to his injuries. Deputy Alex Collins is expected to fully recover from his injuries.

    Mackay was assigned to the Yucaipa Station and also served as a detective for the Big Bear Station of the Sheriff’s Department. In total, Deputy Mackay served the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department for 15 years. He is survived by his wife, a 7 year old daughter and a 4 month old son.

    This is a sad ending for the search and attempts to arrest this vicious killer. However, this memorial is not about the murderer. Today, we celebrate Deputy Sheriff/Detective Mackay’s life, bravery, and service. Mackay died protecting the citizens of Big Bear, California. We honor him today for that.

    Deputy Sheriff/Detective Jeremiah Mackay for valor, dedication to duty and self sacrifice, you will be forever missed and never forgotten.

  36. A little perspective on Rubio’s sip of water
    Thomas Lifson

    You want a cringe-inducing gaffe involving a sip? How about this incident of Obama’s, now consigned to the memory hole?

    In their haste to denigrate Senator Marco Rubio over his sip of water during the State of the Union response, progressive media figures are descending to an adolescent level, in a faux scandal being referred to aa “Watergate,” with a large dollop of irony. Meanwhile, nobody seems to remember a truly cringe-inducing gaffe by our commander in chief involving a sip.

    The contrast in treatment of Democrat and Republican figures could not be greater.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/02/a_little_perspective_on_rubios_sip_of_water.html#ixzz2KsoTnfAn

  37. Just A Citizen says:

    Who failed to see this coming after the Pres raised the minimum wage issue.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/minimum-wage-productivity_n_2680639.html

    • JAC…..why do you bother with Huffpo? :smile:

      • No kidding. You are truly a glutton for punishment.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        d13

        Good Morning Sir.

        On a mission to save as many as I can.
        To hone my skills.
        To better understand and share the other sides thinking and their tactics. :)

        My time there has given others the nerve to speak out as well. The result is an increasing dissenting vote in the “echo chamber”.

        And Yes, there have been some surprising finds there. Some of those “traditional” Democrats who are realizing what the Radicals are doing.

        Also, they don’t ask me befuddling questions I cannot answer. :)

        • Ahhhh….perhaps I should return there. Let’s see….an Army conservative Colonel who believes in State’s rights, gun ownership, lives in Texas, does not like entitlement programs, believes in closing the border, and advocates personal responsibility…….I think I would fit right in.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            d13

            I am sure you would be loved dearly. LOL.

            By the way Sir, do you read much on military history?

            And if so have you read A Higher Call?

    • Sad reality, it may be necessary to raise the minimum wage. Due to the fed devaluing the dollar, the cost of living is outpacing wages.
      Another reality, raising the minimum wage will not solve the problem & will have unintended consequences. Business have no choice except to pass costs on or reduce expenses. Expect a combination of both. Unemployment will rise again as hiring is frozen & reduction in the # of workers becomes necessary. Happy Meals will have to be re-named. Major chains are already regulating workers to less than 30 hours to skirt ObamaCare. Maybe they can offer an ObamaMeal that meets Mrs. O’s nutritional guidelines. McRib will become McTofu…

  38. California legislators are in the process of rolling out what will be the strictest gun control laws in the country. Democrat state Legislatures rolled out a list of proposals that will instantly criminalize most of the state’s law abiding gun owners.

    The new law would outlaw all semiautomatic weapons, criminalize anyone who has more than 500 rounds of ammo, and require a permit to buy ammunition in the future. California, which already has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, is also looking at a proposal which would call for the immediate confiscation of 166,000 registered modern sporting rifles. This is why people are against Registration!

    Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, unveiled the gun control package in a news conference Thursday at the state Capitol.

    The package includes:

    1. Banning the possession — not just manufacture and sale — of magazines holding more than 10 rounds.
    2. Making possession of hollow point bullets and similar “assault bullets” a felony.
    3.Requiring anyone wishing to buy ammunition to first get a permit by passing a background check.
    4. Requiring the registration and reporting of all ammo purchases. Limits the number of rounds anyone can have at one time to 500 rounds.
    5. Requiring all gun owners will have to be licensed like drivers, and will be forced to carry gun liability insurance.
    6. Banning any gun that has a detachable magazine, and requires a 100% prohibition of all fixed magazines greater than 10 rounds.
    7. Making all previous grandfathered magazines become illegal, and it will become a felony if you keep one.
    8. Prohibiting anyone barred from owning a weapon from living in a home where weapons are kept
    9.Expanding the list of crimes that would bar a person from gun possession.
    10. Letting the state Justice Department use money from the state’s Dealer’s Record of Sale system to eliminate the backlog of people identified as no longer allowed to own guns but not yet investigated and contacted by law enforcement.

    http://offgridsurvival.com/californiatobansemiautomaticguns-confiscatefirearms/

    Well now, just how many parts of this new law are Un-Constitutional? Going down the list, I would say that all of them. Some are debatable. I’m not sure who has the worst mental illness, these mass murderers or the idiots who drafted this law :)

  39. Is there a lesson to be learned in this article?

    People like him, when they’re in France, will still be able to pay for high-end girls in cash. The rest must use another payment method, anything from smartphones to checks. But they leave indelible electronic skid marks. Companies that process the payments retain personal and transaction details that form a seamless record over time. And copies of these details are handed to the government, either upon request or automatically.

    With this law, the French government will be able to tighten the vise on its people one more turn, restricting their freedom of choice (how to pay), wiping out any privacy in those transactions, and imposing another layer of government control. Once people have gotten used to the €1,000 limit—based on the great principle of incrementalism with which restrictions of freedom come to pass in democracies—the vise will be tightened further, until the government can document every purchase made by “fiscal residents.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-02-13/draconian-cash-controls-are-coming-france

  40. Homeschooling and Eric Holder:

    …There are two major portions of constitutional rights of citizens—fundamental liberties and equal protection. The U.S. Attorney General has said this about homeschooling. There is no fundamental liberty to homeschool. So long as a government bans homeschooling broadly and equally, there is no violation of your rights. This is a view which gives some acknowledgement to the principle of equal protection but which entirely jettisons the concept of fundamental liberties.

    http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2013/02/eric-holder-banning-homeschooling-doesnt-violate-fundamental-rights/

  41. Time to take a vote! Is liberalism a mental disorder? A yea or na is sufficient. To help if you are still undecided here is an example of liberalism. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/healthy-living/are-these-sports-illustrated-photos-offensive—164134203.html

    For the record, my vote is YEA!

  42. According to President Obama, cutting government spending will “certainly slow our recovery.” Over and over again, he has described the sequester’s threatened $85 billion cut in spending out of a $3.8 trillion budget as “devastating.” But that represents a mere 2 percent cut in spending. Obama frightens people by pretending that the $1 trillion cut takes place right away rather than being spread out over 10 years.

    Sounds like more of the same. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama continually promised to “cut net spending” and make government smaller. The stimulus was promised not to “raise projected deficits beyond a short horizon of a year or at most two.” Yet, now during the fifth year of Obama’s presidency, we are told that we can’t cut spending, that we need even more government “investments.”

    During his first term, when he racked up record budget deficits, we didn’t see much job creation. As a result, the number of people not in the labor force has grown rapidly, by more than seven times the number of jobs created. Most of the unemployed have gotten so discouraged that they have stopped searching for work.

    The last four years have proven that big government and deficit spending are not the answer, as we can see across the globe. Countries with the largest increases in spending or debt have also the fewest jobs created as well as the lowest economic growth.

    This can be seen if we plot changes in the percentage of the working-age population employed in the 32 developed (OECD) countries. Start with 2007, the last full year before the worldwide recession hit and before governments started their massive government spending programs. And end with 2010, the latest year with enough data available.

    To make sure government spending as a share of GDP isn’t simply rising because GDP is declining, I show two approaches. The first one looks at government spending a year before changes in the economy’s performance.

    As can be seen in the simple graph, countries with the largest spending increases fared the worst during the recession. Ireland, Iceland, Estonia, Spain, and Greece are the most dramatic examples. The increases in per capita government spending in these countries — summing over these three years — ranged from 11.1 percent to 26.1 percent. These countries also suffered the deepest declines in GDP, contracting on average by 4.4 percent between 2007 and 2010. And the share of working-age people who were employed also declined by, on average, of 6.6 percent.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/13/obamas-spending-failure/#ixzz2Kth5vpVL

  43. Good article. http://www.naturalnews.com/039098_LAPD_Obama_murder.html

    If you don’t think we live in a police state, which is getting worse, then please open your eyes :lol:

    • What do ya’ll think of this wonderful DHS attack on us?

      The Department of Homeland Security doesn’t believe in the Fourth Amendment and has recently issued statements to that affect. They are claiming that if you live within 100 miles of the international border that they have the right to search all electronic devices, including cell phones and laptop and tablet computers without probable cause or first securing a warrant. The 100 mile distance is being referred to as the border security search zones.

      This would include cities such as San Diego, Escondido, El Centro, Yuma, Tucson, Las Cruces, Carlsbad, El Paso, Brownsville, Seattle, Grand Forks, Toledo, Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, and Montpelier to name just a few.

      But wait, it gets even better! If you live anywhere in Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey or Rhode Island, DHS says the search zones encompass the entire state. Let’s not leave New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia out of the fun, because large areas of these states are also being designated as search zones.

      If you live anywhere in any of the designated search zones, the feds claim to have the right to invade your privacy and conduct an unconstitutional search of your private possessions without any probable cause or warrant. If you ask me, this sounds a lot like the Gestapo under Adolf Hitler in Nazi Germany, which is what I compared the Department of Homeland Security to in an earlier article. This just helps to reinforce my claims.

      Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/9446/dhs-nullifies-fourth-amendment-rights-of-millions-of-americans/#ixzz2Ktpk8Qed

  44. Off topic:

    With the discussions going on about immigration reform and the “inability” to seal or protect the southern border, I have figured out the answer! Contract with the Israelis!

    Check out this “Project Hourglass” of theirs.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/01/08/israels-new-southern-fence-on-th.html

    The price is far less than bandied about by our folks, there are acknowledged errors which are being rectified and, best of all, they are actually employing illegal immigrants to build it!

    Another thing I like, they don’t use the term “illegal aliens” “undocumented workers” or even terrorists. they call them “infiltrators”. I love it.

    • SK, Hope you and yours are well today! :) This won’t happen here, the Democrats need the voters to continue to steal elections :wink:

      • All good here, no snowstorm last night, another wrong prediction which had the NYC newscasters spending yesterday screaming, “The sky is falling, The sky is falling” yet again. Bad news was a whole bunch of insane anti-gun bills came out of Committee in Trenton yesterday. We will probably get to see real soon, just what Christie is made of.

        Jersey is funny, we probably have the best of a bad bunch of laws now and have had them for years. Firearms ID card for over 30 years needed to purchase or use any firearm outside the home. ID must be presented at time of purchase of a long arm, then check through the State Police who then call the Feds for you and charge you $ 16.00 for the privilege. Handgun purchases require a further step in that you must secure a permit to purchase first. (4 Steps!). One handgun a month, no gun shows, no private transfer without purchase permit of handguns, 15 rd. mags max and outright prohibition on certain firearms by name AR-15, M-1 Carbine, AR 180 for example. But, the guys in Trenton were not there when this stuff happened so they need cred. Bastards!

        Re: the Israeli fence. Yes, I know they don’t want it but how many Americans even know it is possible to replicate here? In individual debate it would pull the rug out from under opponents. So its is well worth spreading the word. Every now and then you can change somebody’s mind. Of course, starting to use the word”infiltrators” is just a nice, harmless way to stick it to certain folks who deserve To get stuck.

        • Have any of those requirements been challenged in court? It looks as though many would not fly if the SCOTUS ruled on it.

          Glad all is well. It’s rather crazy here, lost an Aunt and a Cousin in the last couple days. Siste had surgery, Dad and Mom have surgeries next week. Nothing major thank God.

          Here in PA, we don’t have any restrictions that I know of. A quick background check and the gun is yours. Conceal carry permits are issued by county sheriffs. Also a background check and you get a picture ID for conceal carry. It costs 20 bucks, for the cost of the picture ID. I’m not OK with the cost, but, I can see the cost of the ID and won’t challenge it.

          Peace my Friend!

          • If I were younger, I’d be in PA, almost was some 25 years ago. Folks are from the coal region, Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, Hazelton, Frackville, Jim Thorpe pretty much covers it. You guys were always very “liberal” in the true sense of the word. There was also this pipe dream I had when the kids were little of eventually being able to afford a little self built A-Frame around Jim Thorpe and Mauch Chunk lake. . Would have been nice to have that as a back-up address. Sorry about your losses. Been a depressing winter, lost two friends, had a friend’s kid kill herself at 30, two other young folks in the town killed themselves. Our Fair lawn ex-mayors son, an Afghan two tour EOD vet just killed himself and a recent grad of my daughters Alma Mater age 22 took a header Monday off the George Washington Bridge. Christ, is it really all that hopeless?

            • THanks for your kind thoughts! I live in an isolated area. A few weekend camps, a few permanent people down the road aways, A big farm to our south and almost 10000 acres of woods to our West. 5 miles to the next road that way.

              These suicides are getting disturbing. Combat vets are now at 22 suicides a month (I believe) that is a problem that should be looked into very hard. Life is not that bad, geez :roll:

              My door is open to all my friends, if you would like to come visit, we can make that happen. Just let me know and we can email all the directions and such :)

  45. What do the Catholics think of this?

    International Tribunal calls on Napolitano to “not collude in criminality”, and announces global campaign to occupy Vatican property and launch human rights inquiry in Italy

    Rome (9 am local time):

    Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.

    Ratzinger’s meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.

    In response to the February 23 meeting, the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), through its field Secretary, Rev. Kevin Annett, has written to President Napolitano, asking him to refrain from assisting Ratzinger in evading justice.

    http://itccs.org/

    • The Vatican is a State unto itself and not a part of Italy. After the seizure of Vatican Lands (half of Italy) by the new unified Italian Government in the late 19th Century, certain agreements were made between the two states. So, any actions taken against the Pope would have to be before and by an international Tribunal.

      These folks, digging into their sites seem to be equal opportunity in going after any church or religion which they believe has committed atrocities. In Canada they are after the Catholic, Anglican and something called the United Christian Church.

      Headline hunters? blackmailers? true believers? who knows? The reality is there are thousands upon thousands of incidents here in North America where just about all churches engaged in some form of behavior, especially to native Americans, which seemed like a good idea and got widespread progressive support at the time. In retrospect these things were at best perhaps not the greatest idea, no more than forced sterilization and entire eugenics movement.

  46. Bottom Line says:

    V,

    First, I would like to thank you for engaging me. This is good stuff.

    ” I believe people have been trying to find a better way forever.”

    Indeed, which is a sign of hope for our species, in my opinion. It says we see the flaws in our systems of living and are open to improvement.

    ” But what I am saying is that having a government is the will of the majority of the people. ”

    Translation: The will of the majority to use government to force the rest into following their standards. Do the rights of the minority not count?

    ” It is a reality that I do not believe you or anyone else can overcome or change. Because the reason people want a government to provide a structure is based on the realities of man’s nature. ”

    I agree that no one person or group of people can do as such…however, if EVERYONE were to decide together on some basic universal principles, I believe it could work. We could all live our lives the way we want, and not have to be forced to live as others dictate.

    It doesn’t mean we have to all live the same, just respect each others differences without using force.

    Of course you are always going to have those few that will refuse to respect others, but they are outnumbered. And who says that you have to have coercion applicable to everyone in order to resolve this issue? Can you not have a police force that is there strictly to protect and to serve, to not tell people how to live? Do you have to tell people how to drive and when to/not to drink, what to believe, what to eat, etc, etc, etc, etc………………?

    And what about the right to self defense? …for when seconds count and the cops are spending minutes getting there.

    ” So any attempt to become One World will result in One Government-which will only increase “their” ability to deny us our freedoms ”

    Not if the people of the world don’t allow it. There are almost 7 billion people in the world, and somehow, people allow thousands to control them. The point is that no government is more powerful than the will of the people. Control is an illusion, and if people want to live a better way, all people have to do is do it. But it will have to be a collective decision, hence a few universal principled standards.

    Granted, you are going to have groups that want to live according to their religious or political values and such, that simply aren’t compatible with others, …so this is where decentralization comes into play.

    I don’t have all the answers, but I know that if we continue to go in the direction that we are, it is going to end up in catastrophe, chaos, and a new order to follow anyway.

    So why not try to skip the catastrophe part?

    Consider this…

    What if we brought up our children to live on a simple standard of the Golden Rule and Live and Let Live standard? In addition to that, if we also taught/promoted self defense of their basic individual rights?

    We’d have most issues whooped right there.

    • Due to limited time I’m gonna just hit on a couple things -First you may well get people to agree on certain principals in a broad sense-but you will never get them to agree when it comes to the details. Second, I figure if you asked most people they would say they do follow the Golden Rule and they do live and let live. They will either blame some past unfairness and claim it has stopped their ability to live and it must be corrected first. Or they simply will believe that they aren’t not allowing you to live as you please-they are protecting their own rights. Now I really don’t want to get into the argument of anarchy vs. government today-I will just say that before anyone should suggest it as the way to fix the world-lets see if you can make it work here first. Because a one World government is one of the things that I really am scared of. :)

      • Oh and thank you too BL- I happen to enjoy talking to you! But now, I’ve gotta go get some work done.

      • Bottom Line says:

        ” First you may well get people to agree on certain principals in a broad sense-but you will never get them to agree when it comes to the details ”

        Oh, I agree. This is part of the point, in fact. As I have tried to explain before(not sure how much sense I made) … law can’t keep up with the real world as it is just too complex. There are way too many variables, thus it is best to keep it simple, and as universal as possible.

        So, if we could agree on a few simple universal concepts such as ones like the Golden Rule, it may actually work, to some degree anyway.

        “Second, I figure if you asked most people they would say they do follow the Golden Rule and they do live and let live.”

        I think a lot of people do indeed do so out of natural inclination. Just to be clear, when I speak of live and let live, it basically means minding your own business, and the Golden Rule is more about being considerate and putting yourself in the shoes of others.(not that I think you don’t get this concept as I know you are quite intelligent)

        I also think there are a lot of people that are confused by their own self righteousness and egocentricity to find all sorts of rationalizations as to why/how they can justify minding your business. I think it is a matter of ignorance as to what rights and responsibility is.

        “They will either blame some past unfairness and claim it has stopped their ability to live and it must be corrected first.”

        I am not sure I understand what you mean by this, but generally speaking …I think correcting dysfunction is key to proceeding with a happy healthy life.

        ” Or they simply will believe that they aren’t not allowing you to live as you please-they are protecting their own rights. ”

        This one I see a lot of, and is what I meant above when mentioning finding a way to mind the business of others.

        ” Now I really don’t want to get into the argument of anarchy vs. government today-I will just say that before anyone should suggest it as the way to fix the world-lets see if you can make it work here first. Because a one World government is one of the things that I really am scared of. ”

        What is the difference between forcing you and your neighbors, or forcing you and your country, or forcing you and your species?

        A: Geography – It is still coercion to force your will, regardless of borders.

        BTW, I rather like talking to you too, V. You are good people, and you have the intellect to handle a good in depth conversation. Thank you, again.

  47. G, slow down man-You are overwhelming me. You post so many articles, so fast, I have no hope of keeping up reading them much less responding. :) :)

    • V. Please accept my sincere apologies. I’m trying to find things that can be discussed and putting out stuff hoping to get one started. I will slow down, promise :)

  48. I had a dream last night…

    There sat the dog faced John Kerry before the Senate confirmation hearings for his appointment to Secretary of State.

    After the Chair had praised his vast “Diplomatic Experience”… Followed by praise for his integrity, honorable service, etc. He finally turns the hearing over to the rest of the panel for questioning… and here is where my dream turned to fantasy…

    For in my dream… the first Republican Senator to ask a question starts like this:

    Senator…your life story is a long and storied one…well known throughout the world…and the Chair has praised your integrity and diplomatic experience… I’d like to start by asking you to once again describe your famous Christmas Eve, – secret mission into Cambodia … Which I find most interesting since you weren’t even in SE Asia during the Christmas time of year?

    Then I would like to ask… is consorting with our nations enemies part of your Diplomatic Experience”… Like North Vietnam while we were at war?

    The Sandinista’s while we were engaged in conflict in Central America ?

    The butcher Assad and Saddam Hussein in the Middle East …

    and the Russians and Chinese when we were engaged in the Cold War?

    And would you explain to us how you recruited your fellow “Winter Soldiers” to come and testify before Congress about atrocities committed by our American Soldiers and Marines… when most of the so called witnesses you recruited… were never even in the military or had ever gone to Vietnam? Remind us of your eye witness accounts of our Vietnam Veterans as being as ruthless as the hordes of Gangues Khan? Tell us when and where you observed that first hand Senator Kerry? And then I’d like to know why your citations for your Silver Stars were signed by a Secretary of the Navy… years and years after the war was over? And also, is it true as charged by eye witnesses… Your Purple Hearts were as a result of your own incompetence? Friendly fire by your own hand?

    These are just some of the questions I have… and should be answered before your confirmation. And in my dream… I was cheerleading the line of questioning and thinking subconsciously… “Ask why he couldn’t pass the Bar Exam… if he is so brilliant”?

    “Ask him why he parked his boat in Rhode Island … Was it to avoid taxes on it in his home state”?

    “Ask him how he has accumulated such grand wealth on the salary of a Senator”? “Is it true that your wealth was derived by marrying homely, if
    not downright, butt ugly… rich heiresses and widows”?

    “And ask him why the men who served with him in Vietnam … universally hate his guts… along with 99.9% of all Vietnam Veterans”?

    “Ask him if it is true that of all the men and women in the U.S. Senate, he is known to be the most egotistical? Only his good buddy, John McCain comes close. A man who also married well… Birds of a feather”?

    And then I woke up! Ain’t gonna happen… Politicians are gutless! But I have to ask myself? Is this the face America wants to present to the rest of the world? A man who has made a career of lies, falsehoods and deceit? I can think of no human being… who symbolizes the term; “Ugly American” more than John Kerry. A liar, a phony, arrogant, piece of human dog squeeze if there ever was one! Is this a man we should be proud to be hailed as a “Great American”?

    Can any foreign leader ever trust a single word out of this man’s mouth… when it is documented that he has lied to his own countrymen… time after time after time… Is this the best we have to offer? In a perfect world… this man wouldn’t even be considered for “Dog Catcher”… even though he did manage to capture two in his lifetime. He is an insult… a mortal insult… to all who have served.

    This is not sent for discussion. If you agree, forward it … If you don’t, delete it. By me forwarding it, you know how I feel.

    — Ed Schriber , Col. USMC (Ret.) “Semper Fi”

  49. This is kind of long, but I thought it was a very interesting read. It’s mostly about the Democrats vs the Republicans approach to technology, and how a young group of Republicans are trying to update the way the Republicans use technology.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/magazine/can-the-republicans-be-saved-from-obsolescence.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&ref=magazine

    • Kinda Long :) This will have to wait until this weekend. It’s Friday and I’m am out of here-Everybody have a good weekend.

    • Yes, one thing even I have to give positive credit to the Dems…they opened a can of Texas sized WHOOP-ASS on the Repubs on the technology side and it cost them two elections. I think they may have a wake up call now….but who knows. Catch up is always difficult at best.

  50. Gman,
    I immediately thought of you when I read this. If only I’d found this earlier, you too could consummate the relationship tonight…Bummer…

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/02/nra-leader-marries-gun.html?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(82)

    • Thanks Todd :) I appreciate the thoughts :lol: However, I must sadly say the consummating with a small caliber rifle or pistol would be impossible. As M-79 40mm Grenade launchers and MK-19 Automatic 40 mm grenade launchers are illegal for me to own, I will have to stick to women of the living kind :)

      Out of appreciation of your kind thoughts, I have special ordered you a 6 0z flask that you can have a secret affair with while your out on your ski’s. For your pleasure it is fur lined and the cap is freeze proof. I have enclosed a tube of extra thick KY jelly to help fill in the extra space you will encounter. Enjoy old chum :)

  51. I can understand this coming from CNN, after all, whats a few afterbirth abortions worth worrying about. http://clashdaily.com/2013/02/idiot-alert-dorners-alleged-murder-spree-exciting-like-denzel-washington-movie/

    • You know what bothered me the most about this-it was how Hill just shrugged his shoulders and said uhhh -it was very clear that although killing people might be bad, it was okay because it wasn’t Dorners fault-it was someone else’s fault. His alleged mistreatment justified his actions- Or maybe a better way to put it these innocent people who had nothing to do with his complaints as far as I can see, are just acceptable collateral damage.

  52. It does no good to post stuff like this because those on the left do not want to see this nor believe it. The left accepts people like this as heroes and do not see anything wrong with this type of person. It is ok to lie and it is ok to be less than honorable because honor holds no place in their heart much less their way of life.

    John Kerry is a pariah and blot on our society. But that is not unusual in the progressive movement.

    1. Every Vietnam Veteran knows that John Kerry never served one single day in Cambodia. It is a lie. It is not in his records. This alone disqualifies him from Sec of State.

    2. Every single Vietnam Veteran knows that all three of his Purple Hearts were sent in by him under his own signature. There are no hospital records describing his wounds in the military anywhere. Eye winesses have even corroborated that one of his Purple Hearts was inflicted by his own hands when he drops a frag grenade into a sampan of rice and the resulting explosion sends shards of rice into his butt……hardly the result of enemy action. There were no witnesses to his other “wounds”. This alone disqualifies him from Sec of State.

    3. Every Vietnam Veteran knows that three of his so called combat decorations were issued 20 years after his tour of duty through surreptitious methods of non confirmation. This is not normal. This alone disqualifies him from Sec of State.

    4. Every Vietnam Veteran knows that he was not in any Special Forces Operation as he claims. This alone disqualifies him from Sec of State.

    5. Every Vietnam Veteran knows that his claims it was a universal order to shoot and rape innocent civilians and systematically burn down villages is nothing but a lie….pure and simple. This alone disqualifies him from Sec of State.

    6. Every Vietnam Veteran knows that he surrounded himself in news interviews with other “Vietnam Veterans”……..only to find out that they not Vietnam Veterans at all……but Vietnam era Veterans that never saw combat nor a combat zone nor left the United States. This alone disqualifies him as Sec of State.

    There is no reason to go into the rest of his public service. It is rife with inconsistencies…..we all know this but this is a normal acceptance of the Progressive movement.

    There is not one Vietnam Veteran that would walk across the street and piss on him if he was on fire…..

    • As an “era” vet, I agree with you! What bothered me the most in his run for the Presidency was the guys from his boat standing with him. Seemed weird based on the opinions of others who served in his unit. Could never figure that one out.

      Based on my readings about him and his career, if I were to do a psychological analysis of him I would say that he is: a social climber withe delusions of grandeur, marrying up and into money has been very important to him. At college, there are school newspaper articles about him and student government by calling him John “F.” Kerry. The initial destroyer service he did in Vietnam would not enhance his career plans so he volunteered for small boat service “shades of PT-109 anyone?” Returning from Vietnam decorated as a hero, he initially lost his first bid for public office because he ran as a decorated vet. Noting the mood in the country had changed, he did too and became a spokesman for VVATW. His testimony before congress was delivered in a Kennedyesque Harvard accent (since lost). As we all know the winter soldier hearings were mostly BS but BS which lingers to this day. The medals he threw over the fence were not his. When later called out on both testimony and the medals, he said that the medals were given to him to throw back and so was the testimony! I actually watched the Dick Cavett debate Kerry and the fellow who later wrote/edited the “Unfit to Command” book. I believe his name was John O’Neill. Despite the very partisan crowd and the equally partisan host. He held his one against Kerry and backed him into a corner a number of times. In a nutshell, the only thing Kerry did wrong in his career was not marrying Jane Fonda. They would have been a real power couple.

  53. Holding this in the chapel is soooo sickening I’m not even gonna discuss it-But a presentation on Porn Careers-Careers are you friggin kidding me!!!!!! Is this what people are sending their children to college for-to be encouraged to became a damn Porn Star.
    People keep telling me all this crap is too protect our children, keep them from getting pregnant, etc. Well now it is becoming clear to anyone who is paying any attention at all-what the true intention is-and it is just sick!

    Washington University holds porn star panel in main university chapel
    3:47 AM 02/15/2013

    Eric Owens

    At Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, students are perpetually lamenting the fact that their excellent Midwestern school isn’t mentioned more often with Ivy-caliber powerhouses. Well, this story probably isn’t going to help.

    Campus Reform reports that Wash. U hosted numerous porn stars in its main chapel, in a panel called “A Night With the Stars: Life, Love, and Sex in the Workplace.” It featured presentations from adult film industry stars Tori Black, James Deen and Lance Hart.

    Black has appeared in more than 200 movies, including “Anal Buffet 5″ and “Deep Anal Drilling.” She was the Penthouse Pet of the Month for December 2008. The British men’s magazine “Loaded” called her the most facially attractive female performer in the industry in 2010.

    Deen, a prodigious actor, has appeared in hundreds of videos including “Big Wet Asses 20″ and “Rock and Roll in My Butthole.” He will also appear in a non-porn movie in 2013 called “The Canyons,” opposite Lindsay Lohan.

    Lance Hart specializes in online roles involving kinky stuff and fetishes, as he has explained on Reddit. People pay to watch him “getting kicked in the balls by hot girls,” for example, and to be “ball-gagged, bound, and getting done in the butt by a six-foot-tall black lady with a strap-on.”

    Washington University students enjoyed the panel, according to Student Life, the main school newspaper. There was lots of laughter and applause.

    “I really liked the panelists,” junior Colin Rice told the campus rag. “They played off of each other really well, and they told entertaining stories.”

    The presentation on porn careers was just a small part of sex week at Washington University, which was funded to the tune of $10,350 in compulsory student fees, according to Campus Reform.

    “The administration is very supportive of any choice the students make when it comes to funding,” Megan Lane, vice president of the Student Health Advisory Committee, told Campus Reform.

    Lane also said that sex week — which occurs in some fashion on campuses all over the country, traditionally close to Valentine’s Day – is an expression of how modern college students “view sex as a culture.”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/15/washington-university-holds-panel-on-how-to-be-a-porn-star/#ixzz2KyjdfHc7

  54. Economic-Liberty, Healthcare-Choice, Now Private Property?

    By: Dan Bongino (Diary) | February 15th, 2013 at 09:30 AM | 1

    RESIZE: AAA

    Recently, I tuned my television to the local public access channel in order to view the live feed of my local Anne Arundel County Council proceedings and was taken aback by comments made by an elected official purporting to uphold the public trust. Unfortunately, these comments were indicative of a growing trend amongst our new political aristocracy.
    That growing trend involves ensuring your seat at the policy making table, although the policy being debated is not just malicious but antithetical to our very foundational beliefs.

    A salient example of this trend, in my home state of Maryland, is the ongoing debate occurring within the counties as to whether to submit county-wide planning maps in accordance with the recently passed Sustainable Growth and Agricultural Preservation Act of 2012. Without delving into the finer points of the legislation, it orders the counties to submit land use maps which will restrict the development options of the rightful land owners under the guise of the always nebulous term “sustainability.”

    In the classic Hobson’s choice, Maryland’s counties are told that if they “choose” to refrain from submitting a map, or submit a map that the state does not approve of, then the state will penalize them by not allowing residential development outside of currently sewered areas. The counties now must determine whether to submit a map and cede to the state enormous swaths of hard-to-reclaim liberty, or to refuse to submit a map, and have state planners force one upon them, also ceding liberty and violating any semblance of subsidiary.

    The left has expertly crafted the use of the language to suit their ideological needs with flowery sounding terms such as “sustainability” and its use in this piece of legislation is no coincidence. Legislation of this type is part of an agenda, on behalf of the believers in big government solutions to small-community problems, to disarm communities and their residents of the ability to manage their own households and communities in favor of ceding this authority to a class of pseudo-intellectual politicos who, according to their thinking, understand how to utilize and care for your land better than you do. This rather dangerous proposition opens a Pandora’s Box of government-caused inequity, enforced under the penalty of law, and enacted under the guise of environmental “management” and “sustainability”.

    Enforcing legislation such as this is only possible by treating different groups of people, such as the landowners and farmers who will have their land values destroyed with the snap of a legislative finger, differently from other group of people, such as real estate investors invested in city-centric development projects, who will see the values of their projects increase if growth is forced into congested cities.

    If you believe, as I do, that the Constitution is a document of negative liberties, dictating how the government cannot indiscriminately legislate away your liberties, then you cannot believe this legislation is in keeping with the Constitutional principles our elected officials swore to uphold and protect.

    In addition to the multitude of problems this legislation legally creates, it also creates a conflict in logic. If the government officials who dreamed up this legislation believe that land owners and farmers will destroy their land and the surrounding environment if allowed to manage it, then why should we believe that a class of bureaucrats, some of which have never stepped foot on a farm in their lives, would not magnify the errors by making decisions which benefit them or an interest group supporting them? As the late Milton Friedman once stated with respect to government officials, “Where are these angels you speak of?”

    Taking a larger macro-view, this disturbing philosophy also conveniently leaves out the clear historical evidence of abysmal failure of big government to manage the environment. The most damaging and longest-lasting environmental disasters in human history all have one thing in common: big government planners. Chernobyl, the Aral Sea, and the Three Gorges Dam are but a few of the legions of environmental disasters resulting from government “planners” and their perverse agendas.

    You may write this off as a leap too far but when the trend line for ceding personal economic, healthcare, public-safety, educational and now private property liberties all trend in the direction of you losing and government gaining, I think you’ll better understand my concerns. After all, liberty is a zero-sum game; it cannot belong to you and your government at the same time.

    http://www.redstate.com/danbongino/2013/02/15/economic-liberty-healthcare-choice-now-private-property/

  55. The feminist movement is after Obama for using the term wife, mother, daughter saying that those terms alienate women. Sigh.

    • Colonel Sir;

      I wonder if they feel the same way about the terms Father, Grandfather and son or grandson?

      They are just empty headed indignant wenches that can’t get a date.

      CM

  56. Missouri democrat lawmakers introduce bill to confiscate assault weapons. You knew it was coming.

    Now, the fight begins.

    • Colonel Sir;

      Hope you and yours are well. I don’t worry so much about the direct assault from POTUS, since Congress won’t approve it, however local and state liberals are trying to sneek backdoor stuff in that is not so direct. Things like needing a license to purchase black powder used in muzzel loaders because it explodes, but not rifle powder because it only burns. Limiting the number of rounds an individual can purchase each month. Increasing the tax on reloading supplies and calling the tax a ‘sin’ tax, like we have on smokes and booze. The idea behind that is to make supplies to expensive. Ammo and reloading supplies up here in the mitten state are almost impossible to find. Bass Pro does not have any handguns on the self. AR-15’s and AK-47 prices are close to $2k for AR-15 and $1200 for AK-47. NUTS!

      They won’t get mine.

      CM

      • I have encountered the same problem with reloading stuff here as well. Online purchases are dead too, sold out of most everything. I’m getting 200 large rifle primers (their limit) each time I get near the store (up to over 1K now) Just ordered my 7mm Mag dies through RCBS, sold out around here. Powder is still in fair supply. Bullets as well. Ammo is getting scarce, forget about .22, .223, 5.56, .308 and some other pistol and rifle calibers, all sold out. Guns as well, no AR’s or Ak’s to be found.

        I’m not concerned with any stupid laws that the Dems pass, nobody is going to abide by them and nobody is going to even think about trying confiscation. I would ask any politician that has that thought if he or she has the courage to lead the way in the confiscation part. We all know the answer is no, because they are nothing but fucking cowards.

        Peace CM, I hope today finds you and yours healthy and happy :)

        • Gman;

          Yeah, same kind of issues up here. BPS didn’t have powder, bullets, cases or primers for handgun rounds or .223. Ammo for my Glock 40 S&W was gone unless I wanted to spend close to $30.00 for 20 rounds of something like “Zombie” rounds. Went to a local gun shop and although they had handguns, some powder and other supplies, but in general not much to pick from.

          Nobody has reloading dies for the 40 S&W. Got on-line to see if Midway and Cheaper than Dirt had them, but they are all on back order. Midway promised a March delivery, but pretty much sold out of inventory.

          My brother-in-law is the hunting department mgr at MC sporting goods in the Ann Arbor area and he has some handguns on the shelf, but that is because the department is new so the word has not yet gotten out. Plus Ann Arbor is very liberal.

          My buddies and I are keeping our eyes and ears open but we think things will calm down before the summer is over so it is a waiting game. Everybody here is doing well.

          CM

  57. What’s that about everything starts out a ripple or something like that…

    Seems Olympic Arms has some company now:
    LaRue Tactical 2-8-13
    Olympic Arms 2-12-13
    Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC Date of policy unknown, reported 2-13-13
    Templar Custom 2-13-13
    York Arms 2-13-13
    Cheaper Than Dirt 2-15-13

    http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/

  58. Colorado company threatens to leave state if gun bill passes

    Published February 16, 2013

    FoxNews.com

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/16/colorado-gun-bill-could-cost-state-hundreds-jobs/?intcmp=HPBucket#ixzz2L7U9IGkV

    This is one good way to fight this…..leave any state that tries this….and go to a friendly state.

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