Government Service Permits

permitsIt is what it means, nothing less.  Just A Citizen’s ideal about all gun owners should have a permit, which I think is completely anti- American and unconstitutional, has given me  a better understanding of the Government loving people in this country.  I know, we have governments and will continue to have them, it is the ways of the entire world.  Since we can’t just get rid of them, it’s time we took back the power that they currently control over the people.  After all, how many governed people have been murdered by their own governments?   That number exceeds 200 million, at least.  So, for those who are determined to vote, potentially for their own killers, shouldn’t we be a lot more picky and careful about who can run for election and hold office?  Does it not make perfect sense that these candidates are properly vetted to ensure they are safe and qualified to “represent” those who vote them into office?   Running for office is NOT a Right after all, so let’s establish a better form of candidate.  One that must pass a mental evaluation, a written test, a complete background check and be requalified every 12 months, at their expense of course (they can ask for donations).

First, I’m just bustin JAC’s chops alittle, nothing personal.  But let’s begin with setting up some parameters  of testing for those who wish to hold office and represent the people.  First, I would exclude anyone with partisan ideas, that’s what’s killing this nation and it has no place in a free society (remember, it’s about the people, not the politician).  A lengthy mental evaluation and a lie detector test would be required of all, just to be on the ballot.   A full disclosure of the candidates past will be made public, no exceptions.  The mental examination would eliminate narcissistic  self centered pigs, like those in power now.  It would also remove the greedy banker types, sexual predators,  cowards and people who have unfounded fears and phobias (sorry JAC, your out  :)  just joking).  Only those who have a high desire to serve the fellow citizens and work for the people’s best interests would pass this test.

Second,  absolute knowledge of the Constitution, and it’s Amendments is a must.  No one who disagrees any part of the Bill of Rights is excluded, which would be revealed in the test.  The Rights of the individual to live free and absent of government intrusion must be the #1 priority.  This, of course would not apply to the criminal element, who should be punished appropriately for interfering with the Rights of others.   Most of those laws are already established.   Mandatory drug testing will be established for all illegal/unprescribed drugs and excess alcohol within the system.  Positive test results end ones eligibility for life.

Very similar standards should apply to anyone wishing to be a  government employee.  No partisan’s, narcissists, sexual predators, thieves, greedy types, cowards or those with unfounded fears and phobias (fear of spiders don’t count).  The same mental evaluation and testing would be given for government employment.   Different levels of knowledge would be required for different positions, depending on what the job requires as with any job.   Those who fail the mental evaluation cannot resubmit for further duty, ever.  The written examination and Constitutional knowledge tests may be retaken after 6 month’s, pending a second mental screening.   Mandatory drug/unprescribed drugs and excess alcohol within the system applies.

Once all testing is complete and all parameters met, the candidate/employee candidate will receive a permit to run for elected office/apply for a government job.   Once a permit is awarded, all necessary application processes will apply.  All current elected officials are NOT grandfathered and must meet the same requirements for a permit.  Failure to qualify for any standard required for a permit means immediate dismissal from public service.  Until a new election is conducted  with properly permitted candidates, no new laws or taxes shall be voted on or take effect until a vote by the newly elected representatives.  This will avoid the taxation without representation issue.

Current government appointees will also be required to meet the same standards and testing to continue in their positions.  Current government employees will be offered training on bipartisanship and the Constitution, as well as new rules concerning how partisan actions shall be dealt with.   Retraining should fix most problems, I would hope.  Drug tests apply, however, positive results will allow for an offer of rehabilitation.

Each State will employ a 13 person task force to review all laws and government agencies, both Federal and State, and make a determination of Constitutionality (US and State).  All laws not meeting unanimous agreement will be set aside and deemed  unlawful, until the new Congress can take them up.  No new laws will be passed by Congress until all laws set aside are reviewed and a determination made.  Then, all 50 State committees will vote to approve the law (3/4’s of the State committees must have a unanimous yes vote to continue as law or the law is null and void) .

There will be a balanced budget, period.   No more acquiring debt.  No more military action without the approval of the people via national vote, unless the nation is attacked by another nation.   Any law passed by Congress, can be moved to the State committees upon the request of any State, via the vote.  Congress will assume a part time role within 4 years of the new Congress taking office.   Congress will then pass a budget once a year and convene only in the event of a National Emergency (for the duration needed, no more).  Elected members will no longer receive a pension, it’s not going to be a career anymore.

LOL, that was fun and fast.  Rip it apart as all of you will certainly do :)  Let’s make permits mean something for the people!

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  1. :cool:

  2. As always, the Open Mic forum is open :)

  3. First, I would exclude anyone with partisan ideas, that’s what’s killing this nation and it has no place in a free society

    PARTISAN…adj… prejudiced in favor of a particular cause.That rules out just about everyone. But you excluded the rest after that anyway.

    So there you have it. You just set up the rules in your favor. No one qualified so there can be no govt.

    But then you can say that partisan means a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person. That would mean that they have to be loyal to their brand. I’m not so sure I like that either. I don’t think that all liberal policies are ‘terrible’.I can see a need for compromise. Guess I don’t get to be in government.

    • Yes, I did set up the rules, NONPARTISAN! That means not left and not right, but in the middle, because the true middle is the only place you can find freedom. The false paradigm would die and we would all compromise. It is the PERFECTION of compromise.

      If you would prefer the current mess, embrace the SUCK ! I propose neither left nor right. Not in my favor at all, but a compromise between the two divided sides, guess that part doesn’t compute? Live by the Constitution, applied by the people, as in WE THE PEOPLE!

      • Ok. I’m pro life. That is very right. I still can’t play.

        • Not true, that’s why I devised the State committees, to re-evaluate all the past decisions. When we take the partisanship out of these decisions then moral decisions will likely be the end result :) Morals and Principles will become what our laws should be, not this mess we have now.

          • I’m pro life no matter the level of government, I can’t take that belief out of play. Then I wouldn’t be standing for what I believe in.

            Morals and principles. There are unlimited numbers of those. 300 million different combinations. Who is right?

            • It’s legal NOW, isn’t it? Just how do you figure that’s gonna change?

              • Your missing the point of the article, go back a re read it. It’s about putting better people in as “representatives”. I applied some ideas about changing laws currently in place. The abortion issue is VERY PARTISAN (why it’s political baffles me). That’s why I don’t want the LEFT/RIGHT paradigm involved in politics. .

              • You’re missing it G. Let’s change it to I’m very fiscal conservative. I can’t take that out of play either. You want the states to revisit all laws to assure the laws are constitutional. The constitution needs some clarity as it is. How do you expect me to remain non partisan if I’m fiscal conservative?

              • I’m not asking you to change! Keep in mind that 95% of the people have no clue what politics is all about. We don’t need ANY partisan representatives, we only need Constitutional Representatives who are SANE (which we don’t have NOW). Your position politically is the only reason you are ruled, rather than represented. The pigs in the Federal government only stay in power because we, WE THE PEOPLE are kept divided.

              • I’m saying YOU CAN’T TAKE THE PARTISAN OUT OF PEOPLE. You are partisan too G!

              • I can change for a free society that lacks government control, can you? I can abide by the Constitution, you can too, the politicians can’t! I don’t care what other people do as long as it don’t interfere with my freedom, why do you feel different? I can protect myself from most evil, can you? I can feed myself, help my neighbors, pay what is needed to maintain our roads and bridges. You can too! I wouldn’t need to be on the Conservative side if not for corruption that we could all do without. Partisanship is nothing more than a part of slavery to your rulers. Without rulers, we don’t need partisanship, DO WE?

              • No, we don’t. I don’t give the corrupt bums in DC my consent, anymore. I will do what is needed to stay out of jail, because I can’t fight their corruption alone, I am sadly surrounded by cowards and slaves. :wink:

  4. Enjoy life once in awhile!

  5. Maybe it’s just me G-but I think you may have just outlawed freedom!

    • It’s just an article on making PERMITS so people can be in government. How is that any different from JAC’s idea of requiring permits to own guns (which is a RIGHT), that you seemed to support? Stop at the permitting part and let’s talk from there. The rest we can deal with later.

      • Maybe it’s just me G-but I think you may have just outlawed freedom!.

        Why didn’t you say that about JAC’s proposal? Same damn thing.

        • Sorry VH, thought you were someone else. I apologize. What I’m seeing within the political umbrella is nothing less than addiction. Everyone needs this partisan fight about these things like a heroin addict needs his drugs. You are so much anti-abortion, you should know it’s nothing but a political toy to keep people hooked on their game. Addiction comes in many forms. Those who have been brainwashed into thinking abortion is a choice, rather than Eugenics are just junkies of politics and can’t let go.

          • No problem G-I understand your anger and your frustration. And I agree that the politicians need the partisan fights. But your stance on abortion is more partisan than in the middle.

            • I understand abortion for what it is, eugenics. What I’m frustrated over is that we are very intelligent people who are so stupid that we keep playing a losing game called politics. Let me just apologize upfront, people are so fucking stupid, they can’t get out of their own way. They play the partisan game because it’s the game GIVEN to them. They accept it, as idiots would.. I don’t. I know it’s all bullshit If the black community could get out of poverty in the inner cities, why don’t they? Because they play the game shoved down their idiot throats. I’m a REBEL, always have been. I don’t play the games given to me, because it’s all bullshit. As a kid, if you didn’t wear certain clothes, you weren’t cool or in some lame clique. I didn’t play that game either, and I could have.

              I’m angry because I’m watching my fellow Americans give up what so many have sacrificed for, freedom. Hell, I almost got killed because of what I believe in. The thing is, I can relate to Black Flack, Bottom Line, JAC, Mathius, Buck, Plainly, Anita, Kathy , Dale, Todd and you and all the others who post and read here. We all really want the same thing. To be left alone and live our lives. I often bring up things about collapse and such, but I don’t know what the hell is gonna happen. But, I think way to many people need an old fashioned ass whoopin to pull their heads from their rectums and understand they have taken freedom for granted in this country.

              Freedom is about the individual, not States or country’s. The States and country’s only exist to protect the freedom of the individuals. In the 20th Century alone, those States and Countries murdered 100’s of millions of their own people. Things have got to change back, period!

              It’s the people that count, not the politics. As long as we continue down this path, it will only get worse, and 55 million dead babies since Roe V Wade will be a drop in in lake when it’s all said and done.

              • G, you know I disagree with you about voting but I understand your rant about politics being all partisan BS. It is used to separate us and make us fight more than relying on common sense. I’ve said before that people tend to support a cause to the point that they don’t actually look at the details anymore. So I see where you’re coming from.

                But lets look at voting since you seem to think those of us who believe we should vote are just being led around the nose by the government. We’ve discussed this before and we have never agreed but what the heck :) , lets do it again.

                Hopefully, I will not attribute words to you that weren’t yours but I’m going by memory and I’m not going back and rereading the posts to make sure-correct me if I’m wrong. Per the conversation on the other page-if was stated that it was unlikely that the people were gonna rise up against the government as in a revolution, and that if the government fell-we would probably still have a government via local, state, etc. So if the people rise up and fight it is going to have to be a political fight. Now the Tea Party is one such group of people-they have risen up with the intention to fight-they are trying to find and promote people to run in various types of political seats to promote their ideas of returning to the Constitution. Now someone wrote that they thought this process would take decades-I disagree-it wouldn’t take decades if and only if-people support the ones who are fighting by helping them and voting these people into office. No it won’t be perfect but between this type of “fighting” for our freedoms, using our political system and our laws and through controlling the state governments is the ONLY, in my opinion, viable way of changing course.

              • VH, you are an Angel of freedom! If we look to the past, we can see the future, for the most part. Imagine living in Japan In the mid 1930’s and being very agreeable to the Political leader of the time. By 1946, how did that work out for them?

                We have many things in common, that I really like! Fighting, as I put it, may not always mean with violence, but with persistence! A lot was said about a Coca-Cole add during the Super bowl because the song America the Beautiful was sung in many different languages. I loved it because that’s what our nation is all about, a melting pot of so many, for the same purpose, FREEDOM. It seems some had an issue with that. I thought it was great and felt proud that so many could see our country as such.

                I’m just a vet who served during war, not really understanding anything about the politics. I’m pissed about the politics now, but my mindset is stronger, I fight, in one way on an other, for the same reason. I want my kids, my family, my friends and my fellow Americans to live FREE. I might be older and less able, but I would still give it all for freedom. It’s all we got, because the rest sucks.

                Now, as to the tea party folks, can’t say I argue much, other than they don’t see the real problem, that is what they want to control. Nobody that I have heard within the tea party ever said that “government” is the problem, just that this government is the problem. The tea party only wants to change who the problem affects, not fix the problem that really exists.

                The Left/Right paradigm in politics is designed to keep government in control, while we all wallow in the mud of what they create. We can survive just fine and prosper far better without them in our way. Just ask yourself, why do they LIE so much? Good people with good intentions don’t need to lie, so where do you really want to go? :wink:

              • G,

                Did you or did you not agree in an earlier conversation that we would always have a government? So how do you suppose that we are going to change anything by just insisting that we shouldn’t have one? I am under no illusion that “we the People” will ever win this battle completely, we will have to forever fight against government overstepping-but we will always have one-so you either fight using the political system or you don’t fight. At least that is my opinion, so I will vote, I will work with groups to get the people I think will further my beliefs elected and I will do this knowing that it is an ongoing, never ending battle. I have and will continue to teach my children that they will have to fight too and that they will have to teach their children to fight, and their children’s children and on and on, until Jesus comes and takes over. Now, my freedom loving friend, I’m going to bed. :)

              • plainlyspoken says:

                Hi VH, I am the one that said most of those things that you are referring to, so hopefully you don’t mind if I stick my two cents in?

                So if the people rise up and fight it is going to have to be a political fight.

                Political fighting is always on-going. For the past 40-50 years the more progressive thinking have done the job to get their agenda into place. They’ve solidly beaten back the conservative side of the aisle. I haven’t got 40-50 years to live to see it reversed to what I consider a better state. I no longer have faith in ANY part of the Congress to change their direction. The Tea Party types (and I don’t agree with all of what they represent either) are NOT going to suddenly sweep to power in Congress and be able to control the direction Congress follows. If you think that, then I politely need to ask “what are you smoking?” And, while you are waiting for the Tea Party to get to that level in Congress, all those damndable laws, rules and regulations are becoming tighter entwined with society. It will take as long, if not longer, to undo what has been done over the past 40-50 years.

                So, with that lack of faith in the federal level of elected representation, I choose to withhold my consent by abstaining. I will focus at levels closer to home for me and mine.

                Now the Tea Party is one such group of people-they have risen up with the intention to fight-they are trying to find and promote people to run in various types of political seats to promote their ideas of returning to the Constitution.

                Why do we have to have such a closed process? Take away all public funding for elections and let candidates raise their own cash and run. Anyone, party affiliated or not, that can get elected (providing they meet the Constitutional requirements for candidacy) gets elected. We don’t have “free elections” per se, because if we did we’d have more candidates on the ballot for any office at the federal level.

                Now someone wrote that they thought this process would take decades-I disagree-it wouldn’t take decades if and only if-people support the ones who are fighting by helping them and voting these people into office.

                You will NOT see a power sweep that gives the Tea Party control over Congress quickly. It will be a long process. You might as well believe you could get a Tea Party candidate elected to the Presidency first (that’s actually MORE likely to happen in my opinion). And why should I support your goal? Why is it MY responsibility to help? I am helping as it is, by not supporting the behavior of our federally elected representatives by abstaining from giving my vote to the continued asinine behavior of Congress and the different Presidential administrations.

                No it won’t be perfect but between this type of “fighting” for our freedoms, using our political system and our laws and through controlling the state governments is the ONLY, in my opinion, viable way of changing course.

                Yep it is the only viable way. Government – even by your beloved Tea Party – will not get smaller in any significant ways (those Tea Partiers will become just as corrupted as the current parties to the power of governing (my opinion of course). I will not be involved in maintaining or supporting such a monolithic dinosaur. I will try – as I repeatedly have stated – to focus my work at the local & state level.

              • Well, :) How do you feel about Jesus coming back and taking over :) :)

              • plainlyspoken says:

                “AMEN” is what I say! :)

                Oh crap, did I just exercise my 1st amendment right to free speak my religious beliefs? Guess I am in trouble now…….

              • ” Well, How do you feel about Jesus coming back and taking over. ”

                If there is to be some glorious savior that comes from the clouds, I wish he would hurry up, …because I have a few questions for him.

                …starting with regard to weirdos playing sick stupid games.

  6. At this point, Ya’ll must think I’m crazy, LOL. That’s OK, I think OUTSIDE the box. I want all to be free, even those who think they know how we should live. Freedom isn’t free folks, and our military is tied up playing cop on foreign soil, that leaves a few of us who give a shit. If you want things to go the way the are going then say so. If you think you can see any form of change by voting, go vote. If your like me and don’t think that’s going to work for you, then you’ll speak that way. We all will never agree 100%. I’m cool with that. I brought forward an idea, nothing more. Most people can’t handle change, so it’s not a surprise if it is not you cup of tea. I don’t drink tea. Want slavery, keep up with the same ole same ole. Want freedom, well, that really takes work to hang on to, maybe it’s time for some to start.

    • ” At this point, Ya’ll must think I’m crazy, LOL. That’s OK, I think OUTSIDE the box. ”

      I don’t think your crazy, …well, maybe a little. But that’s okay, I am crazy too. We all kind of are IMHO.

      ” If we look to the past, we can see the future, for the most part. ”

      Most have no idea just how true that statement is.

      If you can see it, you have just eaten the fruit, and have thus engaged in a lesson to discern the difference between God’s will and free will, and without being able to change it. It can bring about pure insanity, I assure you.

      Ignorance is bliss, as is graduation.

      Expulsion is hell.

  7. Found this to be really interesting! Opinions Please

    Libertarianism and Libertinism?
    Frank S. Meyer
    National Review, 1969
    ©1969 by National Review, Inc., 215 Lexington Avenue, New York, NY 10016. Reprinted with permission

    Principles and Heresies
    [bold added]

    The development of contemporary American conservatism has been marked, on the theoretical level, by a continuing tension between a traditionalist emphasis and a libertarian emphasis. Over the years I have argued that these positions are in fact not incompatible opposites, but complementary poles of a tension and balance which, both in theory and practice, define American conservatism as it has come into being at midcentury. If anything, I have stressed the libertarian emphasis because I have felt that unmodified traditionalism, stressing virtue and order in disregard of the ontological and social status of the freedom of the individual person, tended dangerously to towards an authoritarianism wrong in itself and alien to the spirit of American conservatism.

    Recently, however, there have been ominous signs that the danger of a disbalance just as alien to conservatism is arising not from traditionalist quarters, but from an untrammeled libertarianism, which tends as directly to anarchy and nihilism as unchecked traditionalism tends to authoritarianism. This libertarianism can be seen at its most extreme in such dropouts from the Right as Murray Rothbard and Karl Hess and their handful of followers. While their position has become indistinguishable from that of SDS, there are increasing signs of a more widespread, if more moderate, development in this direction, primarily among the young, but by no means restricted to them. The essential rationale of this position is so far removed from the rationale of libertarian conservatism, and so completely ignores the proper foundations of liberty in the actual circumstances of the human condition, that, like the position of the anarchist wing of the SDS, its proper denomination is not libertarianism but libertinism.

    A true libertarianism is derived from metaphysical roots in the very constitution of being, and places its defense of freedom as a political end in the context of moral responsibility for the pursuit of virtue and the underlying social necessity for the preservation of order. The libertine impulse that masquerades as libertarian, on the other hand, disregards all moral responsibility, ranges itself against the minimum needs of social order, and raises the freedom of the individual person (regarded as the unbridled expression of every desire, intellectual or emotional) to the status of an absolute end.

    Libertine ideologes

    The underlying issue between conservative libertarianism and libertine libertarianism is at bottom a totally opposed view of the nature of destiny of men. The libertines—like those other products of the modern world, ritualistic liberals, socialists, Communists, fascists—are ideologues first and last. That is, they reject reality as it has been studied, grasped, understood, and acted upon in five thousand years or so of civilized history, and pose an abstract construction as the basis of action. They would replace God’s creation of this multifarious, complex world in which we live, and substitute for it their own creation, simple, neat and inhuman—as inhuman as the blueprints of the bulldozing engineer.

    The place of freedom in the spiritual economy of men is a high one indeed, but it is specific and not absolute. By its very nature, it cannot be an end of men’s existence. Its meaning is essentially freedom from coercion, but that, important as it is, cannot be an end. It is empty of goal or norm. Its function is to relieve men of external coercion so that theY may freely seek their good.

    It is for this reason that libertarian conservatives champion freedom as the end of the political order’s politics, which is, at its core, the disposition of force in society, will, if not directed towards this end, create massive distortions and obstacles in men’s search for their good. But that said, an equally important question remains. Free, how are men to use their freedom? The libertine answers that they should do what they want. Sometimes, in the line of the philosophers of the French Revolution, he arbitrarily posits the universal benevolence of human beings. He presumes that if everyone does whatever he wants, everything will be for the best in the best of all possible worlds. But whether so optimistically qualified or not, his answer ignores the hard facts of history. For it is only in civilization that men have begun to rise towards their potentiality; and civilization is a fragile growth, constantly menaced by the dark forces that suck man back towards his brutal beginnings.

    Reason and Tradition

    The essence of civilization, however, is tradition: no single generation of men can of itself discover the proper ends of human existence. At its best, as understood by contemporary American conservatism, the traditionalist view accepts political freedom, accepts the role of reason and innovation and criticism; but it insists, if civilization is to be preserved, that reason operate within tradition and that political freedom is only effectively achieved when the bulwarks of civilizational order are preserved.

    Libertine libertarianism would shatter those bulwarks. In its opposition to the maintenance of defenses against Communism, its puerile sympathy with the rampaging mobs of campus and ghetto, its contempt for the humdrum wisdom of the great producing majority, it is directed towards the destruction of the civilizational order which is the only real foundation of a real world for the freedom it espouses. The first victim of the mobs let loose by the weakening of civilizational restraint will be, as it has always been, freedom—for anyone, anywhere.

    http://www.potowmack.org/libertin.html

    • The author basically say’s that Liberal’s are batshit crazy. Pretty good diagnosis :)

    • Just A Citizen says:

      V.H.

      Lets start with an accurate understanding of what LIBERTINE means.
      NOTE: Rothbard and other “Libertarians” are NOT listed in the summary of who’s who among Libertines. From wiki:

      Libertine

      A libertine is one devoid of most moral restraints, which are seen as unnecessary or undesirable, especially one who ignores or even spurns accepted morals and forms of behaviour sanctified by the larger society. Libertines place value on physical pleasures, meaning those experienced through the senses. As a philosophy, libertinism gained new-found adherents in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries, particularly in France and Great Britain. Notable among these were John Wilmot, 2nd Earl of Rochester, and the Marquis de Sade.

      “Libertine” is defined today as “a dissolute person; usually a person who is morally unrestrained”.[1] Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand wrote that Joseph Bonaparte “sought only life’s pleasures and easy access to libertinism” while on the throne of Naples.[2]

      “Libertine” was a 1997 rock band, who were pretty famous for believing that scripture is fleeting and temporal.

      History of term:

      The word “libertine” was originally coined by John Calvin to negatively describe opponents of his policies in Geneva, Switzerland. This group, led by Ami Perrin, argued against Calvin’s “insistence that church discipline should be enforced uniformly against all members of Genevan society”.[3] Perrin and his allies were elected to the town council in 1548, and “broadened their support base in Geneva by stirring up resentment among the older inhabitants against the increasing number of religious refugees who were fleeing France in even greater numbers”.[3] By 1555, Calvinists were firmly in place on the Genevan town council, so the Libertines, led by Perrin, responded with an “attempted coup against the government and called for the massacre of the French … This was the last great political challenge Calvin had to face in Geneva”.[3]

      Literature

      Les Liaisons dangereuses (Dangerous Liaisons, 1782), an epistolary novel by Pierre Choderlos de Laclos, is a trenchant description of sexual libertinism. Wayland Young argues:

      “…the mere analysis of libertinism… carried out by a novelist with such a prodigious command of his medium… was enough to condemn it and play a large part in its destruction”.[4]

      Agreeable to Calvin’s emphasis on the need for uniformity of discipline in Geneva, Samuel Rutherford (Professor of Divinity in the University of St. Andrews, and Christian minister in 17th Century Scotland) offered a rigorous treatment of “Libertinism” in his polemical work “A Free Disputation against pretended Liberty of Conscience” (1649).

      Philosophy

      During the Baroque era in France, there existed a freethinking circle of philosophers and intellectuals who were collectively known as libertinage érudit and which included Gabriel Naudé, Élie Diodati and François de La Mothe Le Vayer.[5][6]

      Notable libertines

      Some notable libertines include:

      Tallulah Bankhead
      Ivan Barkov
      Charles Baudelaire
      Lord Byron
      Giacomo Casanova
      John Cleland
      Aleister Crowley
      Pierre Choderlos de Laclos
      Otto Gross
      Sebastian Horsley
      Ami Perrin
      Lorenzo Da Ponte
      Arthur Rimbaud
      Marquis de Sade
      Matthew Turner
      Paul Verlaine
      John Wilmot, 2nd Earl of Rochester

      From this you should be able to start deconstructing the authors arguments.

    • Nice. I just picked up a collection of Bill Buckley essays from the late ’80’s and early ’90’s at my local Barnes and Noble for three bucks. It is sooooo important to read this stuff and see how we got to where we are.

      Down below I answer G on how things have changed in 50 years and how what is euphemistically known as “compromise” today is actually surrender of earlier held principles.

      I don’t think you can understand the Tea Party nor modern “liberals” unless you look backward, see what was on the table in the past, the “reasonable” adjustments made which bring us to the present. The you have to ask the very real question, “Am I willing to give up everything I ever believed in to make a compromise with someone who will never be satisfied with anything except complete surrender?”

      Said it before, will say it again. They want 50% of my 100% then they want 50% of my remaining 50% then they want 50% of my 25% and so on and so on until I have nothing but a distant memory of what used to be.

  8. Ummm…G man……question. You want to go through a vetting process for those who run for political office….but you do not want a vetting program for gun ownership?

    • Good Morning Colonel :) This article was a bit of satire based on JAC’s idea’s concerning gun ownership. As I was typing away, I couldn’t help but imagining Nancy Pelosi’s head getting redder and redder until if finally exploded (that made me laugh). We have 80+ million legal gun owners in this country. A vast majority of these people have guns for hunting or fun times at their local shooting range. Many people each day use their gun in some way, even just the sight of it, to keep from becoming victims of crime.

      Occasionally, some Left Wing nut goes batshit crazy, walks into an area where they know they can cause the most damage (NO Gun Zones) and blast away. In many cases, they bought their guns legally and within the current laws. Then the anti-gunners go apeshit wanting to ban guns or certain guns that will only affect law abiding citizens.

      Right now, we have a vetting process to buy guns. Background checks are done at every store selling guns and some places have waiting periods. I can see JAC’s idea of trying to keep crazies from owning guns, but it’s already against the law for those who are mentally ill to do so. But, for us sane people, we should not be required to pass any test (by a human) to exercise our guaranteed rights. The problems are the criminals, not the law abiding citizen. It certainly isn’t the fault of a piece of cold steel.

      Holding public office, however, isn’t a guaranteed right. Considering that goofy blonde you have running for Governor down your way, a mental exam could go a long way at keeping these types of idiots away from public office.

      With all that said, I was bored and didn’t feel like writing about the end of the world :)

      • Bleach blonde…everybody in Fort Worth knows this gal. She used to be Brunette….We all know her for who she really is and this crap about her daughter writing a letter is, well crap….but that is another story….you have me on this one.

        The only way she got elected was through the forced re-drawing of district lines anyway.

      • plainlyspoken says:

        “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”

        John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834–1902). The historian and moralist, who was otherwise known simply as Lord Acton, expressed this opinion in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887:

        http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/absolute-power-corrupts-absolutely.html

  9. I believe that there should be some form of litmus test…..because the truly qualified people that should run for office and hold same…..choose not to run. Therein lies the conundrum, if you will….the people that are in office now are ideologues and crusaders…..out for themselves…and not for the country.

    • I agree, Making the job a part time gig would help a lot as well. It was never the intent of the Constitution for the Federal Government to be a full time entity to begin with.

    • plainlyspoken says:

      Lets make some changes and take some of the “glory” out of being an elected representative at the federal level

      Cut their pay and benefits to the wages paid to our service members and let them into the Tricare system while in office. If it’s good enough for those being sent to fight (and their families), it should be good enough for Congress.

      Since we already pay for their office space in DC, help them out with cost of living in DC by setting up standard military row housing for enlisted personnel and providing them a unit to live in. Have it maintained at the same standards as current military housing.

      Get a Constitutional amendment enacted limiting bills in Congress to single issues only. No riders, attachments, amendments allowed that do not directly pertain to the bill issue itself.

      Get Congress to follow some other simple rules for bills like for instance that all bills must be floor voted on. Let them go to committees as they do, but they must – in a reasonable time – voted on by the committee and moved out for a full floor vote. No bill should be bottled up by partisan politics.

      Get rational rules for Congress and see how that changes things – and no, I won’t help you do it. Prove to me it can be done and I’ll reconsider my “activism”.

      • Wouldn’t it be nice? There are some great ideas that can start to FIX the mess in DC. Turning the ideas into reality is the nearly impossible part. I will venture to say that the only way to get any changes done is through a Convention of States and get Amendments passed WITHOUT Congress getting involved. A Constitutional Convention is at least another peaceful method to fix the corruption. I would volunteer my time to be part of the PA delegation if the opportunity comes. :)

      • Just A Citizen says:

        plainly

        Your proposal on committees and voting for all bills, as stated, strengthens “Democracy” and further weakens the “Republic”.

        Now if you INCREASE the threshold for approval you can swing the pendulum back towards Republicanism.

        How is your share of the cold air, this fine morning?

        • plainlyspoken says:

          Cold my friend. We have climbed to a high of zero this morning so far. We were at about -19 last night and our “high” today is to be about 10 degrees. The goats and our livestock dog weathered the night – so the 2 heat lamps in the goat house seem to be holding up. If I can get through tonight the temps should get up into less worrisome zones for my goats. How is it there?

          Now, I am not sure what you want to increase the threshold on? Please elaborate?

          • Just A Citizen says:

            plainly

            Threshold: The number of votes required to PASS legislation.

            Cold here as well. Very Cold by Portland standards. Has dropped into the high teens last two nights. Back home, however, it is was -1 yesterday morning and about a foot of new snow.

            Supposed to warm a little then another cold front banging into the warmer air. Prediction snow this weekend.

            • plainlyspoken says:

              I fail to see how that will improve anything? What am I missing?

              We have snow predictions for the week, right through Saturday I believe. Over the last four days we’ve had ten or so inches total – nothing we can’t deal with here.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        Agreed…No riders and attachments that have nothing to do with the core bill would be a great start. All Senate and House rule changes and ethics rules should be run through the States for ratification before implementation. In fact all ethics issues should not be handled in-house, but by the State that elected the official to begin with. McCain would have been gone during his first term as Senator for his involvement in the S&L disaster.

  10. Indiana passes rational legislation concerning ‘public servants’ unlawfully entering another person’s private property.

    Its Now LEGAL to SHOOT POLICE in Indiana if you believe The Cop Is Unlawfully Entering Your Home!

    It’s becoming a daily occurrence when we see examples of cops breaking into the wrong house and shooting the family dog, or worse, killing a member of the family.

    Now Indiana has taken action to “recognize the unique character of a citizen’s home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant.”

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/02/state-passes-law-to-legalize-shooting-police-it-found-self-defense-is-a-natural-right-video-2890754.html

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Now this is interesting. The beginning of the end of ridiculous SWAT raids is long overdue.

  11. Mathius, What the heck is going on in your world that we have banksters offing themselves?

    http://rt.com/business/russell-investments-chief-economist-dead-564/

  12. A small lesson in Conspiracy Theory thinking. I have read many times that the Ruling Elite Class (Globalists or Illuminati are other names) will always give warning before they take any actions. These lyrics were used by the kids at the beginning of the SuperBowl halftime show:

    They began with the second set of lyrics, modified to the following:

    Oh, every time I close my eyes

    I see my name in shining lights

    Yeah, a different city every night

    Oh, I swear the world better prepare, prepare, prepare.

    As they stood on stage in the dark, their dark figure are in front of the word PREPARE in RED letters. See the picture here: http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2014/02/prepare-we-are-being-warned-2509116.html

    These warnings are said to predate an event not long in the future. So, you now have your CT lesson for the day. (Disclaimer: For entertainment and educational purposes only, this is not a green light to go hide in your secret underground bunker that all of you have but won’t admit to it :) )

  13. ANITA, I’m trying not to be grumpy (you were right a few days back). I did enjoy our chat last night about the article, but don’t forget, it’s just an idea and will go no further than SUFA. :)

  14. Just A Citizen says:

    The concept of VDLG cannot be established unless the elected REPRESENTATIVES of the people are COMMITTED to supporting VDLG.

    This makes them PARTISANS and thus disqualifies them for election, under GMans proposed screening criteria.

    • After considering Anita’s responses, the criteria should be somewhat changed. I don’t think it would be possible to find enough people who are center of the isle, so some changes should be discussed. I don’t think the hard right or hard left should be accepted though. Your ideas?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        The problem is not partisanship in the true sense.

        Your issue should be LOYALTY to a Political Party.

        Right vs. Left is NOT being created ON PURPOSE just to keep Govt in control.

        Right vs Left is a battle for CONTROL of the Govt.

        The presence of a strong POWER SOURCE will cause factions to develop which seek that power.

        If you want to reduce factions and their negative affect on Govt then you must reduce the POWER of the Govt.

        Those are my general thoughts on the matter.

        As to who should run? Anyone that wants to run should give it a try.

        How do we pick the right ones? We start by searching for the right type of person to run, and then encourage them and back them.

        Right person? Someone who has displayed ability to work with people to accomplish goals, and has a strong sense of Honor and Integrity, and who internalizes their RESPONSIBILITY to REPRESENT those within their designated “district/state”.

        • Very sensible. Are you against Mental evals for politicians?

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Yes!

            Not necessary if my other suggestions are followed.

            • LOL, I’m really laughing now :lol: You want a mental eval for people to own guns, but not for people who control entire armies and thousands of nukes. Kathy is so right :roll:

              • You have good suggestions, but good suggestions won’t go far when we have psychopaths running the show.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Your the one picking who runs, don’t you trust your own judgment??

              • I’m not picking anyone to run. It’s just an idea to get a better class of candidates to hold office. I’m not sure why your against a stronger vetting process, but that’s what you are. I think we can do better at this and we can incorporate your suggestions as well. I like a govt with less power, a lot, lot less power.

                Please explain how I’m picking who runs? All I have done is devise a vetting process, subject to discussion. You seem to be OK with the Nuts running things, me, not so much :)

              • Just A Citizen says:

                G

                You were responding to MY list of ideas.

                MY idea clearly sates: “WE” do the recruiting.

                So if you as part of we are involved in the recruiting then what is the problem??

                You once again respond to something I propose with empty accusations, apparently because you don’t take the time to think about what I post.

                You will not find a single time ever that I suggested there is not need for better vetting.

                I am saying that if you sit on your backside and let “others” to the vetting then you will get more of the same. No matter how many “restrictions” you create to qualify.

              • plainlyspoken says:

                I didn’t have time to jump in on this when it originally appeared, but better late than never (course you might say “never” by the time I am done).

                US Constitution, Article 1:

                Section 2 No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen.

                Section 3: No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen.

                There’s your requirements, period. If we scream for Congress to be held to the Constitution, then lead by example and follow it as well.

                End of story.

              • You are correct on the written requirements. But you will also agree, I think, that the 2nd Amendment does not include anything pertaining to requiring permits?

              • plainlyspoken says:

                You are correct, it does not. Never argued it did my friend. But the 2nd Amendment argument is once again at an end…..those who wish to restrict the provision of bearing arms will always demand action beyond the constitutional provision – instead of working to change the amendment itself.

              • Got that right! Check out the new thread, good stuff about those damn permits!

            • Supposedly, WE are doing the recruiting. But that’s not really why I came up with this idea. As long as there are powerful political parties, WE don’t matter. But a better system of vetting that requires some tough tests and a mental evaluation could help. Is this a perfect idea, no, not at all. But if we can eliminate those with certain mental characteristics (which can be determined) we would still have a better class of candidates. There are other good ideas that would help, in addition as well, like some you have mentioned. Do we really need 80,000 new regulations that took effect on Jan 1? The VDLG is a great idea, but it’s bogged down in the mud made by the powers that be.

              There is no perfect solution for an imperfect entity. We know the entity is broken, at least to many of us. IMHO, many who serve in DC are truly mentally ill (I would be concerned with Pelosi being allowed to own a gun :) ). A pre-service exam could help in the vetting process. Annual testing could get rid of those going off the deep end like Pelosi, Reid, Boehner and the many others who are power drunk.

              But Hey, ideas are only ideas. If you think what we got now is OK, good for you. I don’t

      • What was center of the road fifty years ago is now considered hard right. Examine JFK’s positions and party platform in 1960 vs now.

        Back, at that time, the argument was birth control. Abortion was off the table and considered as grievous as murder. So those of us who may have supported or even been enthusiastic about birth control were moderate left. Those opposing abortion were center with perhaps 5% supporting it(I’m sure we can dig up surveys from the era) . So, where does that put one today.

        In 1960 if you mentioned homosexual marriage you would have been locked up as a loon. So, where doers that put one on the political spectrum today who opposes the idea of marriage but accepts and even encourages civil unions?

        Gun control in those days was relegated to a few places like New York City and directed entirely at handguns. Rifles and shotguns could be bought mail order (see Oswald). It was still legal to own mortars, bazookas, and artillery pieces (my college football team had a 37MM field piece for football games and out infrequent touchdowns.) So, where does that put me today if I oppose any additional restrictions?

        Compromise can only go so far before it becomes surrender. Those who rail at the Tea Party are really railing against people who have agreed to compromise in the past but think things have gone to over to the surrender area. I know many Tea Party folks. None, to my knowledge support unrestricted access to firearms, discrimination in law or the workplace against gays, outright prohibition of abortion in all cases. So, one needs, I think, to look to the left and the radicals (forget the terms progressive and liberal, they are only used to fool you) for the real boogyman.

        • Where I’d like to take the federal govt is that they just stay out of peoples business. We don’t need politicians with agenda’s. Their only agenda should be limited to EXACTLY what is written in the Constitution, nothing more. As JAC said, much, much less POWER. We all have State and local governments that can handle almost everything the Feds are currently strangling everyone with regulations.

          Some examples, Raw Milk consumption, wood for guitar fingerboards, and so on.

  15. There just are no words to describe the insanity that is happening right in front of us. Just one example:

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/04/sheila-jackson-lee-writing-executive-orders-for-obama-to-sign-our-number-one-agenda/

  16. Very interesting interview with Snowden. http://beforeitsnews.com/spies-and-intelligence/2014/02/what-the-rest-of-the-world-heard-snowden-say-last-week-that-us-censored-video-2445916.html

    For those who don’t link to this site, it’s also on LiveLeaks

  17. Oh Man….I just finished a meeting with 7 of our contract labor personnel…and the horror stories I am getting on this health care…..and the lies that are out there that are being told about the exchanges. Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum plans. Deductibles ranging from 5,000 to 12,000 dollars and the subsidies that are available…only last one year. The cheapest premium rate so far as told to me was 650 per month, and 80/20 split, with a 5,000 deductible. AND…doctor visit co pays DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS DEDUCTIBLES.

    On another note, layoffs of higher salary personnel is increasing.

    • plainlyspoken says:

      Not really surprising to me Colonel. Under my wife’s health plan through her job we nearly pay that in premiums monthly, have $2500 individual deductions (5 grand for family total deductions) on an 80/20 split – the difference being is that co-pay do count towards deductibles

      Plus unless we meet certain standards (non-smoking, age appropriate preventative medical tests, etc.,) we are likely to see the annual premiums rise as much as $2000.00 this year. We have to go in for the testing on Friday or see an immediate increase..

  18. Detainment and interment will be at the top of the Department of Homeland Security’s to-do list.

    And if you have any doubts about this possibility then pay close attention to the words of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia at a recent event where law students asked the judge about the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

    Keep in mind that this is coming from one of the people who will be sitting on the panel of judges who decides whether or not such an act is Constitutional:

    Well of course Korematsu was wrong. And I think we have repudiated in a later case.

    But you are kidding yourself if you think the same thing will not happen again.

    That’s what was going on — the panic about the war and the invasion of the Pacific and whatnot. That’s what happens. It was wrong, but I would not be surprised to see it happen again, in time of war.

    It’s no justification, but it is the reality.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/supreme-court-justice-confirms-american-internment-camps-will-happen-again-it-is-the-reality.html

  19. Just A Citizen says:

    In my reading yesterday I came across an very interesting tidbit.

    It seems that the gene which causes Lactose Intolerance is not a NEW MUTATION as I have heard many claim. It is in fact a genetic reaction to milk. That is that intolerance is not caused by environmental factors, it is genetically caused.

    But here is the thing. This gene is the OLD version. It is our TOLERANCE that is the more recent mutation.

    At least this is where the science is currently pointing.

    • Any theories on what is causing this mutation?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        G

        The advent of agriculture. Building of herds and use of milk as a food source.

        This favored those with lactose tolerance, who were able to utilize the milk for nutrition, thus enhancing their survival over those without tolerance.

        The order is assumed due to all other mammals displaying “intolerance” in Adult stages.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          One of the worse things the US used to send in Care food aid was “Milk” products.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        Very high frequency in Sicily, Africa, bordering 90% in Asia. I studied this quite a few years ago particularly affects in Asians. The Wikipedia article pretty well ums it up.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

    • Mathius™ says:

      Makes perfect sense to me..

      I’d never heard it the other way, but I would have assumed the more recent evolution would be to include milk rather than the other way around.

      • Take that same reasoning of order, and apply it to other aspects of human evolution.

        A man named Lloyd Pye made some very interesting observations in comparing the way human body structure relates to our evolution vs the way other primates’ body relates to their evolution.

        The reasoning is about order at it’s core.

        When examining various things like footprints and skeletal structure, strength, intellect, etc etc, you can see key differences where we did not inherit the same traits from their evolutionary path.

        The logic is that if we would have evolved from other primate species, we would also have traits such as a different stride, greater physical strength, more body hair, etc.

        Combine this observation with common genetic structure and peculiarities, along with findings from varies sciences and historical references, and it suggests we are a sort of DNA project starting from a few/several hundred thousand years ago.

        We seemingly popped up a few hundred thousand years ago with an apparent different evolutionary path than all the other primates, and no missing link to explain the commonality.

        It really makes me wonder.

  20. You can’t make this stuff up!

    The following encapsulates the extreme feminist logic behind “free bleeding.” Adura Bull writes:

    “One, is that a woman’s time of the month should not be considered something unclean and unnatural, something to be hidden and cleaned up hastily before it has the chance to offend anyone who may become privy to the fact that said woman’s body is evacuating her loins of unused baby blood.

    “The second, being that tampons, pads, and other feminine hygiene products are ‘man’ made inventions, intended to inadvertently rape a woman during her period, thus furthering her victim status as a woman living in a world run by men. These two reasons combined, have produced the idea that women need to make a stand against the practice of wearing products which collect, absorb, and discard the menstrual flow. That by letting it run freely, is the way nature intended us to deal with our monthly.”

    Read more at http://godfatherpolitics.com/14262/crazy-feminists-want-period-bleed-freely-feminize-wikipedia/#lrjWFD5A3SUht2vj.99

    • I definitely want to hear from the girls on this one. Idiots who propose things like this have to be attacked (and mocked) by all women everywhere lest they gain a foothold.

      CVS Caremark announced today that by October they will have stopped selling all tobacco products. See how the insanity can progress? Let us all paraphrase Edmund Burke:

      “All that is necessary for stupidity to triumph is that good folk say nothing”.

      • I have no words for these lefty feminist weirdos. Honestly, don’t consider them part of the same gender as I, but belonging to some subhuman scourge.

        But I wouldn’t want to speak for the other females of SUFA………

      • Okay, I’ll comment-my original intent was to just ignore this stupidity-heck, I refuse to even lay this at the feet of the left-this is just a bunch of extreme nut cases-and it’s just gross.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Yuck…..even in the ancient days it was written that women used some sort of absorbent padding. There have even been found in the dried up moats, under the privy holes in the castle walls from the middle ages, condoms made from stitched very soft and pliable skins. Archeology is not just dried up bones.

    • Don’t mind her! It’s a bitch layin eggs every month, but I’ll take one for the team and light the fuse on her tampon. :)

      • :shock:

        I cannot believe I slept at this woman’s house once………….

        • Which BTW, what all did you put into that salad? Tried to recreate it recently and it wasn’t nearly as good. Dressing?

          Let’s change SUFA into a recipe sharing blog………

          • You’re killing me. I’m in withdrawal but I refuse til we get some better tomatoes around here.

            3 medium red tomatoes
            1 ea green, red, yellow pepper
            1 cucumber.peeled
            1 stalk celery
            several shakes dried basil
            1/2 cup Kraft 3 Cheese
            enough Zesty Italian Dressing to coat, plus some

            Rough chop, throw all into a container and shake to mix….mmmmmm!

            • MmmmmMmmmmmmMmmmmmmm

              BTW, read somewhere tonight that the whole feminist article thing is a hoax.

              Also, there is a real good football player from a neighboring town; heavily recruited but decided to stay home and committed to UW. Over the weekend it came out that he is academically ineligible and cannot get into Wisconsin. You know they tried every which way to get him in – and he couldn’t make it.

              BUT……contacts MSU and can get in! What the heck kind of GPA is required over there? I know Wisconsin is tough – supposedly right behind Northwestern – but come on MSU. A little less on the Big Green and more on the academics!

              • Cool! More ammo for us, and from Wisconsin? Double cool. There is no minimum eligibility requirement for MSU, the university. They do judge by other achievements..sports or academic achievements like National Honor Society or AP classes, but the individual colleges within the university are very picky on who gets in. My daughter needed a 3.4 or better after two years to get in the college of business. I guess that’s cool…you can take simple college courses, without being an Einstein, or with no intention of getting a degree. Knowwhatimsayin? SPARTY ON!

        • What? ;)

  21. Good article with some great excerpts about the past. http://thetruthwins.com/archives/mourning-for-america

    • We have compromised it away a bit at a time.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Good article. I remember in 1956 Dad taking out the seats in the car and drilling and then bolting in seat belts. They were designed for aircraft. I was 4 and always have worn them since. AC in a car hah. Antifreeze, what was that. But to say that was the good old days think what you had to do to your car every 5-6K miles. Now you make go 50-100K. I 1st off never had a TV until we moved into the city, where you actually could get reception. Even then we were to busy outside to care. Only watched it late night “Chiller” or the “Outer Limits” and the Twilight Zone. You might have had a news flash for something really important. National news was restricted to 1/2 hour of Cronkite the other 1/2 hour was local, Jerry Dunphy or Clete Roberts. Dick Enberg was a local broadcaster and anyone remember Dick Lane at the Olympic Auditorium. Now you are abused by the 24 hour news cycle where any tiny event that have zero consequense in any way to you. To Plainly maybe because its local news there, but to me in eastern NC it should be out of sight out of mind. Even the Tate/La Bianca murders in LA didn’t slow us kids down. By the way they were murders in the adjacent neighborhoods. The old spahn movie ranch where Manson hung out with his group was a favorite makeout spot. They are still looking for remains out there.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Best comment:

      I mourn for this Country, and its’ people. We lost it the day the Government stopped worrying what the people might do. And the people started worrying what the Government might do. A man once asked, what will you do without freedom? Americas answer seems to be, sit home watch TV and drink beer.

  22. A perfect case to go to the Supreme Court:

    During the course of the investigation, police learned the 44-year-old homeowner’s Firearm Owners Identification card was expired and he was charged with one count of possessing a firearm with an expired FOID card, a misdemeanor, police said.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-burlgar-shot-to-death-by-homeowner-on-west-side-20140131,0,3394153.story

    But he’s not in trouble for killing the criminal. :roll:

  23. WTF!

    U.S. Postal Service Announces Giant Ammo Purchase

    Post Office joins other federal agencies stockpiling two billion rounds of ammunition
    The U.S. Postal Service is currently seeking companies that can provide “assorted small arms ammunition” in the near future.

    U.S. Postal Service Announces Giant Ammo Purchase 020514357
    The U.S. Postal Service joins the long list of non-military federal agencies purchasing large amounts of ammunition.

    On Jan. 31, the USPS Supplies and Services Purchasing Office posted a notice on the Federal Business Opportunities website asking contractors to register with USPS as potential ammunition suppliers for a variety of cartridges.

    “The United States Postal Service intends to solicit proposals for assorted small arms ammunition,” the notice reads, which also mentioned a deadline of Feb. 10.

    The Post Office published the notice just two days after Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) announced his proposal to remove a federal gun ban that prevents lawful concealed carry holders from carrying handguns inside post offices across the country.

    Ironically the Postal Service isn’t the first non-law enforcement agency seeking firearms and ammunition.

    Since 2001, the U.S. Dept. of Education has been building a massive arsenal through purchases orchestrated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

    The Education Dept. has spent over $80,000 so far on Glock pistols and over $17,000 on Remington shotguns.

    Back in July, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also purchased 72,000 rounds of .40 Smith & Wesson, following a 2012 purchase for 46,000 rounds of .40 S&W jacketed hollow point by the National Weather Service.

    NOAA spokesperson Scott Smullen responded to concerns over the weather service purchase by stating that it was meant for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement for its bi-annual “target qualifications and training.”

    That seems excessive considering that JHP ammunition is typically several times more expensive than practice rounds, which can usually be found in equivalent power loadings and thus offer similar recoil characteristics as duty rounds.

    Including mass purchases by Homeland Security, non-military federal agencies combined have purchased an estimated amount of over two billion rounds of ammunition in the past two years.

    On the other hand, private gun owners are finding ammunition shelves empty at gun stores across America.

    While the American public is reeling from these long-term shortages of once-common cartridges such as .22 Long Rifle, the federal government is stockpiling ammo without limit.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/u-s-postal-service-announces-giant-ammo-purchase.html

    I wonder if this will be seen on the MSM?

    • I would agree if they allowed mail carriers to carry sidearms, maybe. Depends on the method of carry. I would rather CC over open carry and it not be made public. NO shooting of dogs either, use the pepper spray as usual. Our mail lady will sometimes bring the mail to the house, just to see the dogs and give them a treat.

  24. Originally from 1965.

  25. For years, conservatives have claimed that low-information voters were the main voting base for the Democrats. If you needed any more proof, here it is.2
    Read more at http://lastresistance.com/4633/trick-candidate-websites-dupe-low-information-voters/#wlskCuXvY3lUqmtK.99

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      The investment papers I subscribe to have been warning of this for quite some time. They routinely the noted the countriesin this article as having accomplished the complete or partial seizure of private retirement funds. Cyprus just TOOK savings out of bank accounts over a certain amount.

      • The Cyprus theft will happen here as well, just a matter of time. When people say that will never happen here, just point to Social Security as an example. The fools will learn, most likely the hard way.

  26. I’m going to be looking for a GOOD cop story, I know we have thousands of them, but for now here’s this: http://www.prisonplanet.com/cop-handcuffs-firefighter-for-trying-to-protect-crash-victims.html

  27. Mornin Buck!

  28. If it weren’t for Buck and Mathius, I would probably consider all Liberals as brain dead mongrels who shouldn’t be in public service. Here’s another example of a law that will NOT do what they want it to do:

    Supporters of the bill say that this requirement will keep homemade firearms out of the hands of criminals and those barred from owning them. http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/california-ghost-gun-bill-passes-state-senate-targets-homemade-firearms/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feb%204%202014%20Daily%20Newswire%20(1)&utm_content=

    You read it right, they think that criminals will obey the law, BWAHAHAHA

  29. Freedom. It’s just a buzzword. From CFP:

    During a disastrous press conference Tuesday, Carney was defending ObamaCare from claims that it was lessening work hours. Carney was making the argument that Americans would be “empowered” to work less, since the President’s signature law lowers the number of hours a person must work in order to receive coverage. According to Carney, the law isn’t killing jobs; it’s allowing Americans the freedom to opt out of working.

    It’s not anything but an added choice that they have that allows them more freedom, to use a certain buzzword. More choice.

    We’ll set aside the tortured “less is more” logic and simply remind our smarmy press secretary that, no. Freedom is not just a “buzzword.” It’s the beating heart of a nation that has unfortunately chosen to damage itself by allowing Jay Carney to remain on its payroll.
    This call for some mood music…

    • The whole administration are enjoying their latest purchase from Colorado. What a serious line of BullDookie.

      • Wonder what they’d like the definition to be?

        • I don’t know, but the whole line of thinking is insane. For these people to get on TV a say that to the public should have serious ramifications, but NOTHING will happen. The sad part is that many people will believe them :roll:

          Feel free to share recipes all you want here (I have quite a few myself and always looking for more). I’ve been buying some cookbooks at a very cheap price online lately (3.95 and free shipping). The last one was all sausage recipes using all the different meats. Going to try a Cajun sausage recipe in the next few days :)

          • Saw that you posted about the sausage recipes. I’ve been looking at meat grinders lately. The price of beef is ridiculous now. Ground sirloin sale price is $4.50! Yeeeah, no!

            • I bought one last October for a 100.00 and Dunham’s. It’s a Chard brand, stainless steel and is perfect for our needs. We put up 43 lbs of venison burger in about 3 hours.

            • I’m out of touch with store prices, LOL. 4.50 lb is very high for mostly scrap meat. I pay 3.00 lb for 100% Black Angus. I bought 30 lbs last summer, still have 20 lbs left. Try and find a butcher that will sell you meat for the grinder on the cheap!

              • Didn’t even think about Dunham’s..have one real close here, thanks. I usually hold out for the ground round on sale @ $2.99, then buy 10lbs at a time. That $4.50 on sirloin is a sale price..normal price is $5.50! Ridiculous. I quit trying to by single steaks. I get a short loin from Cattleman’s for anywhere from $75-$95..have it cut into 3/4in steaks..get about 18 out of it..making them around $4.50 per steak.

              • It pays to find a butcher where you can get a 1/4 or 1/2 cow/pig, if you have the freezer space and the funds to invest. We actually eat more venison than beef the last year or so. We also repack our frozen stock in the airtight food saver packaging, it lasts longer in the deep freeze.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Anita

          FREEDOM to those on the left means freedom from want, despair, challenge, hunger, hang nails, effort to breath.

          After all, it just ain’t FAIR that they should have to actually use physical effort to breath.

    • Remember when some time back, Pelosi referenced this “freedom” to paint and do stuff they’d really rather be doing than, like working and paying for their own medical benefits? This isn’t a new concept to them at all – it’s all part of the plan and they try to justify it.

      A bunch of pukes……

  30. I’m always telling people to be prepared! I don’t say that for reasons involving CT’s, but for real events like the one in the Philadelphia area has going on now. An ice storm in winter can very damaging, and power outages are widespread. When the power is out, everything is affected, everything. You can’t by gasoline, food, or much of anything. The only GOOD thing about this happening in winter is that frozen food can still be saved without power. In the summer, most people are screwed. But I’m preaching to the choir and everyone is prepped, right?

    This brings me to this story from California, which I heard of the day after it happened, but only now are the details coming out. I’m not sure why this happened, who would do it or their overall goal, but, it may only be a test run for a future attack on the grid. In other words, you have been warned (way too many times on this blog)

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/in-19-minutes-a-team-of-snipers-destroyed-17-transformers-at-a-power-station-in-california.html

    • I’m all for prepping, but where are you going with this? Do you think these places need more protection? Is it an inside job or something different? Or are you staying on the be prepared theme?

      • Just on theme. We can only prep so much, but the dangers seem to be growing. If we had a nationwide power outage for a lengthy period of time, that would be very bad. It’s also why I want more recipes, hate to eat the same stuff over and over :)

      • Anita, Dinner yesterday was venison stew. All veggies locally grown. Today is Stuffed Peppers (with venison burger), local peppers and homemade pasta sauce from our garden tomatoes, mashed potatoes, canned from garden too!

        I’ve tried just about every pasta sauce on the market, but our home made is far better tasting and has a better texture. The store stuff always seemed bland to me. We used a really good Italian recipe and, of course, all our spices are locally grown as well.

        You should bring the kids for a visit! There is canoeing the Alleghany and Clarion rivers, deer parks, great trails to walk and enjoy the country. Plus, we eat good !

        • Agree on the sauce. I’ve never made a dinner with jar sauce..nasty! I’d love to visit your area. Took 4 rookie teens down a river up north last summer..all my pre stressing was for naught..they did great and are waiting to hear the plans for this summer!. Judging by the snow piles here today, I think we have 6 more months of this stuff! :evil:

          • WE did 8 miles down the Alleghany last summer, had a blast. Thinking about a 16 mile trip this summer. I’d love to take a tent and do an all nighter, that would be a blast to pitch a tent on the rivers edge deep in the forest, great night for some cold beer and spooky stories :)

  31. Just A Citizen says:

    Anita

    Maybe some day your Lions will get in on this………………

    http://t.foxsports.msn.com/nfl/seahawks-share-their-super-bowl-triumph-with-the-12th-man#image=14

    Oh, I forgot one item on my bucked list the other day.

    Mariners win the World Series.

    • :) yeah you got me there!

      Good for the Hawks though. Quite a crowd in downtown Seattle. Is that military humvees they are riding in?

      Oh yeah..My TIGERS have some World Series pennants under their belts. So there! And don’t get me started on my RED WINGS!

  32. Just A Citizen says:

    And the Progressive Zombies harp about Conservatives suffering from Cognitive Dissonance.

    PLEASE check out the comments section. The CBO comments and the articles author rationalizing this crap is bad enough. But watch the sheep eat it up and one even claims this requires sophisticated knowledge of economic theory. Apparently the rest of us who find this argument repugnant don’t share this wonderful “complicated knowledge”.

    “I want my Obama phone” has been replaced with “I want my Obama time off to reflect on life or do other things I would rather do than work”.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/05/cbo-director-obamacare_n_4732746.html#comments

    • OH MY. The sheeple will only learn the hard way, that time is coming soon too!

      • The rhetoric of American leaders that invokes the “nation” is frequently after one thing, the shaping of simple stories that appeal to instincts and urges that are not checked by rational thought, and the shaping of individuals into a collective crowd that either remains quiescent in the face of government actions or approves them.

        One of the items in the long indictment against government is that it governs by appealing to the lowest urges, drives and instincts that human beings ordinarily keep under control, if not repress. One of the many ways government does this is by appealing to membership in a group called the nation that, in this era, is closely tied to the state, the nation-state.

        http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-nation-as-a-device-to-create-a-psychological-crowd.html

        • Just A Citizen says:

          gman

          One problem with the summary you provided.

          These are not “lowest urges” that we “ordinarily keep under control”.

          These feelings or reactions are drives and “instinct”. But the vast majority of people, left and right, liberal and conservative, react instinctively to the rhetoric because our reaction to moral issues is primarily “instinctive”.

          Those who ACTUALLY take the time and effort to use REASON to check themselves is VERY, VERY, VERY Rare.

          So in this sense the politicians are not really manipulating us as much as playing the game as BOTH they and we know the game.

          And YES, belonging to a GROUP is one of those critical values most humans hold. It is in fact part of “OUR NATURE”.

          Where the manipulation really comes in is “pandering” to a value like Group loyalty, when they really are not addressing Group loyalty. Take Obama’s rhetoric about America, the USA etc which was grant and Nationalistic in nature. His actual actions do not meet the rhetoric.

          So his rhetoric was not to inflame group identify, but the hide his personal views under the cloak of group identity.

          Those are two very different “manipulations” and we should recognize them. Because the risk/threat as well as action to combat it is different. One deserves ridicule, the other might require armed rebellion.

    • I understand why you run through HuffPo..but HOW do you keep from throwing your computer over those comments? I was just there for a few minutes, that’s all I could take! The SPIN some of them come up with to JUSTIFY….! I admit it..I can’t hang with those dawgs. Time to go move some snow piles..so I can shovel some more snow..Pure Michigan!

      • It reminded me of something Al Gore said a few years back: “the world is changing in such dramatic ways right in front of our eyes because of global warming.”

        Then I thought of something Wallace Stevens said:

        The Snow Man

        One must have a mind of winter
        To regard the frost and the boughs
        Of the pine-trees crusted with snow;

        And have been cold a long time
        To behold the junipers shagged with ice,
        The spruces rough in the distant glitter

        Of the January sun; and not to think
        Of any misery in the sound of the wind,
        In the sound of a few leaves,

        Which is the sound of the land
        Full of the same wind
        That is blowing in the same bare place

        For the listener, who listens in the snow,
        And, nothing himself, beholds
        Nothing that is not there and the nothing that is.

        I think I’ll stick with Stevens. :)

  33. JAC, you and I seem to be going around about the 2nd Amendment issue, that’s OK. While I can see your points, I also know that I can make a phonecall or two and buy any type of gun I want, without a background check or any government interference. It’s been this way all my life, and, I do not own a gun that I purchased from a dealer. My guns are mostly for hunting purposes, .22s, shotguns (most gauges) and high powered rifles. I have one handgun that I carry most everywhere.

    Why do I share this? Because I’m not a criminal. Most people who buy guns at a gun shop, aren’t criminals either. Private sales occur daily, the black market is also alive and well. As a responsible person, I don’t buy from those who may be part of the criminal element (I usually get a referral from someone I trust). I do this because I don’t want a stolen gun.

    There are about 80 million legal gun owners and about 350 million guns owned legally. That’s a boatload for sure, but we aren’t having a shootout each day either. Do we have a crime problem in this country? YES! Do we have a mental health problem in the country? YES, what do you think? What are the common denominators between areas with high crime levels vs those with low crime levels?

    I have answers, that few would like, to fixing the crime problems. I suggest ideas to fix the corruption problems in government, but you don’t seem to think it will work. That’s fair enough. Can we add to my ideas, sure, why not. Can we solve the gun crime problem? Yes we can, but it will take courage. Both problems should be addressed. Criminals and governments seem to like to kill innocent people, as history has proven. WE can solve the problems, the government can’t, they’re part of the problem :wink:

    • Just A Citizen says:

      gman

      What you do not understand, because of your unwillingness to actually think about my words and stop projecting, is that we ARE NOT going around about the 2nd Amendment.

      My permit idea was proposed as a “compromise” to create a system similar to what we have but that is “better” at addressing a couple of the issues which “created the existing system”.

      What I am going around with you on is some of the “stuff” being put out by pro gun people in order to show you that these arguments are often as flawed as the crap being put out by the anti gun people. Such as the arguments about cause and effect of increased gun ownership or the argument that police do not provide any protection.

      As for you solutions.

      WHAT PROBLEM???

      Crime??? We cannot eliminate all crime. So I do not consider crime a “problem” worthy of much action beyond the local level. Except on occasions like the inner city violence. And that is because that violence goes beyond “normal” crime. And the solutions involve much more than Law Enforcement. However, this also is a local and/or State issue.

      Politicians??? Yes, this is a problem. I just think your solutions to be “pedestrian” (in your face Chris Carter). Oh, just kidding in case you missed that.

      The ONLY way to assure good candidates is to be involved. My issue with many of your arguments on the voting/election system is they are repeats of the rhetoric put out by people who seem intent on spreading the belief that “life’s a bitch and then you die, so lets party”. That being the anarchist crowd and the “prison planet” crowd. They are NOT based on any understanding of HOW the system works.

      The “system” is NOT CONTROLLED by a handful of Elites. They try like hell to control it but often lose their grip. Because the “system” is built from the ground up. Those that PLAY get to make the rules. If you do not play then those few “elites” will gladly to the rule making.

      The power structure in the Republican party is having a cow over the tea party. Why? Because the tea party upset the “system” by JOINING in the game at the ground level.

      My other complaint with much of the rhetoric is that it blames the “OTHERS” or “THEM” or in the language of my youth “THE MAN” when most of our problems with Govt overreach are caused by HALF OF WE THE PEOPLE. And I do not mean because they sit on their hands. I mean that about half the country believe in and support the crap we are being fed.

      So blaming some “elite group” whose name can never be mentioned, for all our problems is FALSE. And most dangerous of all, it creates an absolute feeling of HOPELESSNESS among the people. Once hope is lost we will truly become vulnerable to Hard Tyranny that many of us fear.

      • I mostly agree. The inner city crime is a problem, in most cities. That can be fixed. The elite ruling class most certainly control the two political parties, if you can’t see that you are blind or stupid, or hopefully just naïve. It’s the money that controls elections in a great many areas, example, Youngstown Ohio and the Mahoning Valley. It’s totally controlled by the Democrats. If your conservative and want to run for office, they will do everything possible to destroy you, period. I have seen this with my own eyes, so don’t bullshit anybody that it isn’t happening.

        Yes, the Tea Party unset the apple cart and they will be crushed by the ERC that control the GOP. They don’t have the money to win, you will soon see that. Although I wish I was wrong, the Tea Party is dead in the water, unless they can get control of the GOP, which will take billions of dollars. Not gonna happen.

        It isn’t half the people that cause anything. Liberal’s are about 20%, Conservatives 35% and the rest are Independents. 95% of these people are totally clueless and just believe what they are told on the TV.

        There is no trust in the Federal Government, proven by many polls, so you and I and many others are searching for solutions to try and fix what is broken. The Federal government is BROKEN, period. You and other think voting will change things, one day, you may be right, right now, forget about it, you are GIVEN a the choices to vote for (it’s about the money and the power it holds, eg. the ERC).

        Want to get people to vote and be involved, we need a few things. Much stronger vetting process, as I and you have proposed, all of which is negotiable. Put very stringent limits on how much money can be spent on campaigns, the money is in control. Fire Congress as a whole and get all new representatives. Eliminate all Federal agencies that go beyond the Constitutional authority, which is many. Many people like term limits, let’s consider that. I’ll stop here and if you like I can add or subtract pending discussion. Fun Chat :)

  34. Nice Job, Conservatives !

    Jacob G. Hornberger
    Ron Paul Institute
    February 6, 2014

    When Barack Obama was elected president, the chickens came home to roost above the sordid nest that conservatives made for us after the 9/11 attacks. It was after those attacks that conservatives, quivering and quaking in their shoes over the thought that the terrorists were coming to get us, traded away the freedom of the American people to the federal government in the hope of gaining safety and security from the terrorists.

    Nice Job, Conservatives

    What were the terms of that fateful trade? They surrendered to President Bush omnipotent powers, powers that are inherent to any totalitarian regime and that are antithetical to the principles of freedom, due process of law, and limited government in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    Such totalitarian powers included the following:

    1. The power to take people into military custody as suspected terrorists, holding them for as long as the military wants, torture them, and even execute them, perhaps after some sort of kangaroo trial before a military tribunal, all without trial by jury and due process of law. While Americans were initially led to believe that such powers encompassed only foreigners, they soon learned that they also included American citizens. That’s what the Jose Padilla case was all about, a case in which the federal courts deferred to the president and upheld his new presidential powers.

    2. The power to spy on people, delve into their telephone records, monitor their telephone calls, read their emails, and who knows what else. That includes not just foreigners but also Americans. That’s what the illegal contracts that Bush and his people made with the telecoms were all about. It’s also what the Edward Snowden revelations about the NSA are all about.

    3. The power to assassinate people, including American citizens. That power is confirmed by the ongoing assassinations of countless foreigners as well as the assassinations of American citizens Anwar al-Awlaki and his 16-year-old son Abdulrahman. No judicial warrants. No trials to determine guilt or innocence. No due process of law. Just plain, simple, and efficient assassination, without anyone having to answer, justify, or explain the assassinations.

    There is no way to reconcile these powers with the principles of a free society. They are inherent to totalitarian regimes. They are precisely the powers that our ancestors did their best to prevent the federal government from exercising. That’s what the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth Amendments are all about.

    It also doesn’t make any difference how much Americans might still consider themselves a free people. False realities are only delusions. They don’t create a new reality. People who live under any regime that wields these types of totalitarian powers are not a free people, pure and simple.

    But conservatives thought that it was a good trade because their man — George W. Bush — was the president. He’s a compassionate conservative, they cried. He can be trusted with these omnipotent powers, they said. He’ll take care of us and keep us safe from the terrorists.

    We libertarians kept emphasizing: Don’t relinquish these powers to anyone. Imagine the person who you would consider your worst nightmare being elected president. Would you want him to wield these powers? Don’t trade away our freedom, we libertarians said, no matter how afraid you are and no matter how much trust you have in President Bush.

    But conservatives wouldn’t listen. They were too afraid. They wanted safety and security. Nothing else mattered. They traded away our freedom in the hope that Bush and his army and CIA would keep them safe from the terrorists.

    And then seven years later Democrat Barack Obama was elected president. He now wielded the totalitarian powers that conservatives had relinquished to President Bush.

    And that’s not the end of it. Now we are facing the distinct prospect that Hillary Rodham Clinton will be elected president in 2016. She’s leading the polls by far in the Democrat Party. The Republicans have no frontrunner and are expected to field some 15 or more candidates.

    That’s what conservatives have done to us with their fateful trade back in 2001. Time will tell, but there is now a very real possibility that Hillary Rodham Clinton will be wielding the totalitarian powers that conservatives relinquished to George W. Bush after the 9/11 attacks. The powers to arrest Americans (and foreigners) and detain them indefinitely in military custody, to torture them, to spy on them, and to assassinate them. All very possibly wielded by Bill Clinton’s wife, Hillary.

    Nice job, conservatives! Thanks a lot for trading away our freedom for the sake of security. You lost us both our freedom and our security.

    Reprinted with permission from Future of Freedom Foundation.

  35. Another State joins the Article V process. Is this our LAST chance at fixing the federal government by peaceful means?

    http://conventionofstates.com/news/south-dakota-state-rep-files-cos-application

    • Just A Citizen says:

      The process is our BEST and ONLY chance.

      However, THIS particular effort is NOT our last chance. In fact I think it is premature.

      • How hard and by what means will the powers that be in DC do to undermine this action? I think they will do it openly and loudly, what say you?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          gman

          They have openly been fighting this option for 30 years that I know of.

          Why do you think all those “constitutional scholars” come out of the word work to CONDEMN the idea with FEARS OF A RUNAWAY CONVENTION???

          Hell, who cares if it does RUNAWAY? Maybe we could use a RUNAWAY that comes up with a significantly NEW SYSTEM. One closer to the original goals rather than the one they wound up creating.

          You want to know who we should oppose? Just watch carefully to see who opposes the concept of a State called Convention.

          • Agreed! People need to stop reacting to false fears. AS I have said, I will volunteer to be a member of the PA group that meets. I won’t be as RADICAL as I seem to be here. I’m thinking, if it happens, maybe two Amendments make it through. My expectations are low about any real fixes but I’d fight like hell to do better. I am a go listener when with people and not afraid to speak up and talk in front of people. Lets see how the process unfolds, it should be at least interesting.

      • plainlyspoken says:

        You feel it is premature? Why is that, and what criteria would make it the “right” time to get a convention called?

  36. Good stuff to know!

    Keeping Food Safe When the Power Goes Out

    1. Place appliance thermometers in both the refrigerator and the freezer. After a power outage, check the temperature to determine whether your food is still safe to consume. Safe temperatures are 40°F or lower in the refrigerator, 0°F or lower in the freezer.

    2. Keep your freezer as full as possible. Fill empty juice or milk jugs with water and keep them in the freezer (unless you need the space for food, of course). If the power grid goes down, you can use these frozen blocks of ice to maintain the cold temperature in your refrigerator and/or to keep the temperature in your freezer colder for a longer period. A full freezer will hold its temperature for about 48 hours but only 24 hours if half-full.

    3. Place ice cubes in zipper type bags and place them in the freezer. Later, if the power goes out, keep the freezer door closed. When the power is restored, leave the freezer door closed long enough for it to go back to its normal, freezing temperature. If the ice cubes have melted into a bag of solid ice, you will know that everything in the freezer thawed and is likely unsafe.

    4. Have a minimum of a week’s supply of ready-to-eat food that does not require cooking or refrigeration after being opened.

    5. Do not open the refrigerator and freezer doors unnecessarily. Take out what you need quickly then close the doors and keep them closed. A refrigerator will keep food cold for four to six hours if the door is kept closed.

    6. Have coolers on hand that can be used to store the refrigerated foods that you think you will need for the short term. Use the frozen jugs of ice from your freezer to keep the food in your cooler cold. This will mitigate having to open and close the refrigerator door unnecessarily.

    7. The following foods are generally safe to store at room temperature for a few days. Even if they are normally kept in the refrigerator, they will be safe to consume even if the power is out for 1 or 2 days.

    • Butter and margarine
    • Hard cheeses (such as Cheddar, Swiss)
    • Fresh fruits and vegetables
    • Fruit juices
    • Opened jars of salad dressing, peanut butter, jelly, relish, barbecue sauce
    • Mustard, ketchup, and olives

    8. When the power comes back, check the temperature inside of your refrigerator and freezer. Discard perishable food that has been above 40°F for two hours or more. Definitely discard the following:

    • Raw or cooked meat, poultry, seafood
    • Meat-topped pizza, lunchmeat
    • Casseroles, stews or soups
    • Milk/cream, yogurt, soft cheese (such as feta and Brie)
    • Mayonnaise, tartar sauce, or creamy dressings
    • Cooked pasta, potato, rice and salads prepared from these foods
    • Fresh eggs, egg substitutes

    9. Check each item separately. Throw out any food that has an unusual odor, color, or texture, or feels warm to the touch. With frozen food, check for ice crystals. The food in your freezer that partially or completely thawed may be safely refrozen if it still contains ice crystals or is 40°F or below.

    10. Frozen foods that have been partially defrosted during an outage should be cooked or reheated to a minimum temperature of 160 degrees.

    11. When in doubt, dump it. And never, ever taste food to determine whether it is safe to eat.

    Food Safety Reference Charts

    There are a number of food safety charts available at the FoodSafety.gov website.

    • If you have a generator and can run a freezer and other cold appliances. If you run the generator 4 hours on then 8 hours off, you can keep things good much longer than running the generator full time, to conserve gasoline, unless you have a natural gas generator, which is better. Most generator makers have conversion kits for regular gas operated generators. I will post more as I get more info if requested :)

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Lets take one of the arguments to show why this is BULL SHIT.

      Poverty levels are high but have been flat for the 8 years cited as the PROOF of the “middle class” extinction.

      So the economy has grown, the POVERTY level is FLAT and supposedly the Middle Class has “SHRUNK” and the “rich” have grown “richer”.

      What is left out of the equation??

      • Inflation and loss of good jobs! Like Anita and were talking about burger prices (which will get much worse). Disclaimer: I have read a great deal today, so forgive me if I miss or forget something! :)

        • Just A Citizen says:

          No.

          If one is in decline, and the other is flat, then the third group must have INCREASED. Which would in turn explain why the rich group has grown bigger. It is not just that they got more money but that there is now more of them.

          Otherwise the claims are illogical. Which makes the premise illogical, at least as it relates to that particular conclusion.

  37. Just A Citizen says:

    A GOOD thing on the Liberty side.

    The fact the Municipalities have laws preventing people from warning others about speeding or other offense shows where the Municipality’s mindset is in reality. It is about TICKETS and REVENUE, not in reducing the bad behavior.

    http://news.msn.com/us/headlight-flashing-ok-missouri-judge-says

  38. BRAVO!

    We chose Tennessee also because the vast majority of its residents and their elected officials have shown that they respect and honor the American tradition of personal freedoms, including the right to bear arms

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/4/beretta-seeking-the-respect-of-the-second-amendmen/#ixzz2sZsbg62t
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

  39. Just A Citizen says:

    Rational Nationalism described.

    Or, why we should not allow people to simple walk across the border, or…….why we should not legalize 15 million ILLEGAL ALIENS.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/02/america_has_lost_her_will_to_live.html

    • plainlyspoken says:

      :roll: That author does as much whining as he complains the “other side” does for reasoning. – at least in my humble opinion.

  40. Just A Citizen says:

    Couple inches of snow, wind and temps in the 20’s.

    Everyone is freaking out, closed the schools, govt buildings shut, traffic at a crawl. Took daughter 45 minutes to go the one mile home from store, Spousal Unit Leader took 2 hours to go less than 10 miles home. They closed her office at noon.

    The BIG CITY is just so vulnerable it is something to behold.

    • That’s the norm for folks not used to snow. Atlanta was a disaster recently over a few flurries, LOL. WE laugh at a foot of snow and just keep going. Our road crews are awesome and well worth the expense. I don’t think we have had schools close because of snow this year yet, but for a few days because of subzero cold. I can’t wait for SPRING!

    • Be Glad-where I live, we very rarely have snow -so people aren’t experienced in driving on it- and don’t have the needed equipment. So be glad-very glad.

      • I shovel about 2 inches almost every morning, lake effect snow off Lake Erie. One minute it can be sunny, the next snowing so hard you can’t see 30 yards. Spring in 44 days, YIPPEE! :)

      • Just A Citizen says:

        V.H.

        Don’t get me wrong. I am very glad they are both home. And it smart to be smart if they don’t have the equipment or skills.

        I have seen what happens with just a skiff of wet stuff. around here. Add to that, their highway and infrastructure sucks. Worst traffic of any city this size.

        Still snowing and at about 4 inches on the sidewalk where it is drifting.

        Snow predicted for tonight, tomorrow and Saturday. I expect Portland and area to be pretty much shut down.

  41. Oh…I am shocked……Syria missed its deadline for turning in chemical weapons….oh..the horror ( sarcasm intended )……however….Jay Carney today defended Syria saying they have turned in….wait for it……..4 %.

    • That has to be a success by their ( Washington’s ) standards…..4 % of their stores…….lol

      Another deadline….come and gone…..and no one will do anything except laugh…

    • maybe Butt Wipe Obama will call for the immediate nuclear destruction of Syria now. Seems he don’t like them too much.

  42. Fights ON!

    In her letter to Aetna, Held wrote:

    “Obamacare, the ‘law of the land,’ contains ever-changing-at-the-whim-of-HHS, politically expedient mandates, rewards, penalties, rules and regulations with which I cannot rationally or morally treat my patients and run a practice, much-less interpret, implement, or comply.”

    “Millions of Americans have lost coverage because of the healthcare law and must now shop on a defective, insecure government website and sign up for more expensive policies through Federal and State exchanges.”

    “Only by logging in as a prospective patient did my office manager and I discover that Aetna was selling plans for which I am a provider — effectively selling my services without even asking, much less informing me that my services would be sold on such a site, under the auspices of new terms with which I will not comply.”

    “I will not sell my services under such terms. While treated as such, patients and doctors are not commodities worthy of such impersonal, inconsiderate, and cavalier treatment. We choose dignity and personal service over disrespect and form letters.”

    “It saddens me to think of the decreased access to care from actual physicians and the shockingly increased costs Aetna patients will now experience because of your choice to collude with big government rather than collaborate with patients and physicians.”

    Last December, Dr. Held posted the following statement on her blog:

    “Obamacare empowers a few political elites, their operatives, and cronies to do whatever they want to the American people on the false promise of access to ‘free’, ‘quality’ ‘medical care’, AKA tyranny-through-medicine. They write and rewrite the deceitfully-passed law for political expediency, power, and money; patients are an afterthought, an annoying impediment to their ultimate goal — socialized medicine, the keystone in the arch of Socialism. … Our current Federal government is the antithesis of all that composes American medicine and the sacred patient-doctor relationship.”

    Read more at http://lastresistance.com/4649/texas-doctor-rebels-obamacare-calls-socialism/#Btq8t1x8FulG2zbM.99

  43. Is there anything wrong with being 48 and still raising hell? I like to rock and roll! :)

    • Try 50.

      • Try 51! Esom it’s so weird you popped up today! I was thinking hard about you last night. I told you before that the Swamp People guys scared me..but I’ve become a fan, and I think about you every time it’s on. Call me what you want but I was thinking about you to the point of wondering if you have that LOOsiana accent too! I’ll try to control myself in the future. :)

  44. Just A Citizen says:

    Oh MY GOD, the Stock market is tanking. Oh the losses, see the people lose their money if they would have been invested, blah, blah, blah.

    Thought I would put this downward “spiral” reported in the news lately in “perspective”.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI+Interactive#symbol=^dji;range=my;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=;

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