Ignor the Bigot Here….

http://newsbusters.org/when-did-tolerance-become-one-way-street.html

 

Mathius says:

Bigotry must be called out. Always and forever, it is an imperative of a healthy society that it cannot be tolerated.

Don’t want to be called a bigot? Don’t do or say bigoted things.

LOI, Anita, Gman and (probably) others are, sorry to say, but flatly: bigots. You could call them Islamophobes if you prefer, but the truth is the truth. This is not idle name-calling, but a hard statement of fact.

My people were once the subject of such bigotry. I will not stand idly by and watch others be subjected to the same.  

 

To be fair, Matt did back away from his remarks somewhat.  I must say I was amazed at the number of responses in a few, short hours.  Kicking a hornets nest can be fun, if you don’t get stung.  One thing got my attention, it seemed many did not read the article closely.  Number one, I did not write it.  Number two, the author calls for nothing more than consideration on the part of Muslim immigrants and the hosts of the nations to which they immigrate.  He explains the Muslim culture/religion from the viewpoint of a peace seeking Muslim.  Is that offensive?

No?  How about,

When walking alone one night on a dark street, I heard footsteps behind me.  I felt a sense of relief when I saw it was a white man…

Better?

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Comments

  1. New thread to keep things speedy…

  2. Kicking another hornet’s nest, LOI?

    • Moi? Kinda think it’s a hoot, being called names & intolerant by the kind, understanding & tolerant. Just spoke with my priest on the subject. For the record, he thinks I’m on the wrong side on this. I told him I understood his position but disagreed. A civil & enlightening discussion that spanned thousands of years of history. And neither thought less of the other.

  3. gmanfortruth says:

    I am intolerant of Liberalism, because it is a cancer on this planet. Far worse than extremist Muslims could ever achieve. That should qualify me as a bigot, per definition. :D

  4. Mathius™ says:

    To be fair, Matt did back away from his remarks somewhat.

    False.

    I hadn’t realized that you were citing an islamophobic moron and were not, yourself, being an islamophobic moron. Thus, I retracted what I said about you and redirected it at the actual author.

    I stand by everything else I said.

  5. Sir Mathius…please clear something up for me. If I choose not to live with or close by a certain race (any race) and I choose to move because I do not like or wish a particular racial makeup, is this bigotry by your definition?

    (Clue: This is a simple question with no hidden agenda and no gray areas….it is a simple yes or no. There are no other qualifiers in my question, there are no ifs, and’s, or buts).

    Please answer YES or NO.

  6. Interesting to see the backlash (if any) from crazy Ann Coulter’s making fun of the kidnapped girls … then again, I saw a really good one the other day about the same issue (it was Michelle Obama holding the sign “Bring back the girls” and someone (not sure if they were Muslim or not) wrote: Your husband has killed for more Muslim women than Boko “Whatever the fuck they call themselves” ever could….

  7. White a phobes! Bigots! Divide and conquer, baby!

  8. The Reverend Jesse Jackson was walking alone at night in Washington DC. He heard footsteps behind him and was afraid he was about to be mugged—which is a common occurrence in Washington, especially at night, and especially when you are alone on a street. The Reverend turned around and saw a white man. Immediately he felt relief that he was not going to be assaulted. Then he felt shame because he had just stereotyped kindred black men. He understood during that split second of observation, that he had assumed the worst of his own race; he assumed he would be mugged if the man was black, but that he would be safe if the man was white. Reverend Jackson felt shame because he was not thinking in the recommended politically-correct approach. The truth is, he could just as easily been mugged by a white man (after all, there are white muggers). If he had seen a black man, he most likely would have been safe (after all, most black men are not muggers). So, why did Jesse Jackson, a very intelligent gentleman, make the assumption he was safe if the person following him was white, and that he might be mugged if the person had been black? The answer will not please the politically-correct person.

    Because stereotypes are based upon sound statistics, the serious harm is in not paying heed to stereotypes when danger is present, and in paying attention to stereotypes when no danger is involved.

  9. :-)

    • Just the man we need! Let it rip Rebel. We’ve been called bigots and all kinds of good stuff these past couple days.

      And where is JAC?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Anita, I think a lot of it was more assumption and misunderstanding than anything else. WE both know not all Muslim’s are alike, but it was assumed that we clump them all together. That is quite far from reality, and wasn’t even the subject of the article. It’s an example of the Left mentality of going into auto attack at the first sign of questioning their ideology.

        Then of course, the past actions of other groups was brought up, apparently to “justify” wrong actions of the subject matter. Of course, there is no push for Blue Laws ongoing, that’s just a lame strawman to deflect from the subject matter. But it’s safe to say the you and I would welcome any neighbor who acted in a neighborly way, regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation. Be nice to me and I will be nice to you, it’s really that simple. All the other fluff and labelling was out of desperation to protect their ideology, which really sucks to say the least.

        On a funny note: I like my guns like Obama likes his voters….Undocumented :)

        I hold no ill feelings towards our Lefty friends, I understand that liberalism is a mental disorder and we should be nice to those who are handicapped, BWAHAHAHA (You know I’m joking, right?) :D

  10. ” I have seen great intolerance shown in support of tolerance”
    -Samuel Taylor Coleridge-

  11. “WARNING”…”WARNING”…”WARNING”… racist rant…racist rant… ignore or you are likely to be offended!

    Among the 36,000 immigrants whom U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement released from custody last year there were 116 with convictions for homicide, 43 for negligent manslaughter, 14 for voluntary manslaughter and

    one with a conviction classified by ICE as “homicide-willful kill-public official-gun.”

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/feds-released-hundreds-immigrant-murderers-drunken/#ixzz31h9p3nYY
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    • gmanfortruth says:

      LOI, everything you say will be deemed racist by the Left, that’s all they got in the fight for freedom, name calling. They can’t shoot for shit though, which might really suck for them some day :)

  12. gmanfortruth says:

    They ain’t demanding much I suppose : http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/05/13/home-depot-rolls-carpet-sharia-law/

    Anita, you can help with explaining what’s going on in Dearborn, as you live close by.

    • Tried to post this the other day but wordpress lost my comment. Hate to be a thorn, but I generally don’t have a problem with the residents of Dearborn. This particular Home Depot is located in an area of the city called South End. Demographics: 97% Muslim. Let Home Depot cater to those residents, it makes sense there. One nice thing I notice as I travel through there..people are in the streets being sociable. They hang out. They welcome each other. We would call that loitering. Dearborn doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb, especially as compared to Detroit, and fyi they share a border. Culture shock comes to mind, if you’re no used to seeing a town like that, but I wouldn’t say I fear them as a whole. I have not had a problem with them, personally. My daughter played high school softball and volleyball against two teams from Dearborn. Aside from their girls wearing scarves and sleeves in 90* weather, there was nothing different about their girls. Parents came to the games and everyone got along. They own all the stores and gas stations in the suburbs. They’re friendly to their customers. At my local gas station, I joke and tease with them all the time. The owner’s sister was the last Miss USA. I was in the station when he found out she won. It was pure joy for him. I was the only customer at the time. I wish more people would have witnessed that.

      It’s not all rosy, though. I’ve mentioned in the past of the sleeper cell they pulled right out of a flight kitchen that I delivered to twice daily. Scary, very scary..how many more are in there? I’m also uncomfortable with the fact that Muslims deliver food right to the airplanes. It just makes me uneasy, knowing their track record, and the fact of the cell that came right out of that kitchen. They also have a big part in the cab driving around the airport. And many of the cabin service workers are Muslim. It just makes me uneasy, especially since I can darn near throw a stone and hit the airport. Let’s also not forget the underwear bomber who tried to explode himself right over my home!. But that’s just me, I’m a bigot.
      There’s also the problem with Christians being arrested around their street fairs for daring to approach groups with Christian literature. It’s an ongoing problem, and I don’t agree with it. But I’m a bigot. My brother, is a reserve Dearborn cop, though he lives in Dearborn Heights. He was patrolling, on foot, their street fair. A group was blocking traffic along the sidewalks. He placed his hand on a Muslim woman’s arm to sort of move her along so traffic could pass. He was reprimanded by his sargeant for that. In no way is an American male able to touch a Muslim woman. WHAT?
      CAIR is also big in the area. They can jump in the Detroit River for all I care.

      All in all, it’s business as usual.

      • Anita, you confuse me.

        On the one had, you “generally don’t have a problem with the residents of Dearborn”, you “joke and tease with them all the time”, “there was nothing different about their girls”.

        Yet, on the other hand, you are “uncomfortable with the fact that Muslims deliver food right to the airplanes” and that they [Muslims] “have a big part in the cab driving around the airport”.

        As you yourself say, you have absolutely no problem with Muslims in Dearborn (you seem to welcome the small cultural differences which make life interesting, and have had no problems to speak of in your personal experience), yet for some reason you are worried that they are secretly staging a massive attack since they are allowed access to the airport just like any other working in the general industry.

      • To add – I am not accusing you of being a bigot in the least from your comments. But I do question your irrational worries.

        • Mathius™ says:

          I am not accusing you of being a bigot

          He may not, but I am.

          • Bigot seems to be too loaded of a word to describe Anita’s position here and I’m not convinced the term would apply to what she is feeling. That is why I went with irrationality.

        • I don’t know Buck. Same reason, I guess, that I wouldn’t dare move to the Cass Corridor in Detroit. There is a track record there. There’s a track record of Muslims and airplanes. Is my fear of Cass any different than my fear of radicals? NO. I doubt you would move to Cass Corridor, either.

          • I know nothing about Cass Corridor.

            But I’m still trying to understand your irrational fear here…think about it for a second — all the Muslims you have encountered and dealt with are wonderful people, yet due to the actions of a very small minority, you continue to worry about Muslims. Why?

            • I thought we had this clear the other day, and as well today. I don’t fear Muslims. I fear radicals. And even if they don’t appear radical, there is plenty of cash flowing from Dearborn to radical groups in the Middle East. Wolf in sheeps clothing? Who is it that is funnneling money to the ME. It’s certainly not Christians. It’s certainly not blacks, it’s certainly not red headed Irish guys.

          • Mathius™ says:

            There’s a track record of Muslims and airplanes

            But only Muslims, right? Right??

            • Mathius™ says:

              (messed up the link – not that I suspect anyone bothers with my links anyway)

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack

            • Whats that fallacy you always pull on me..anecdotal evidence? It would be nice if you would acknowledge the fact that is is systemic with Muslims.

              • Mathius™ says:

                It would be nice if you would acknowledge the fact that is is systemic with Muslims.

                I will do no such thing.

                Whats that fallacy you always pull on me..anecdotal evidence?

                EXACTLY! You win the prize for Most Improvement.

                My point is that you’re using anecdotal evidence to paint Muslims (in general), yet rejecting out of hand the same argument when applied to non-Muslims.

                Muslim uses plane as suicide bomb ==> Muslims shouldn’t be allowed near planes.
                non-Muslim uses plane as suicide bomb ==> Nothing.

                It’s not evidence in EITHER case. So stop using it.

              • You’re using your link as a convenient excuse. How bout you answer this…Why are you not in fear of RADICAL MUSLIMS

              • Because I don’t like living my life in fear.

                Not to mention, I have a pretty decent understanding of risk assessment…

              • Mathius™ says:

                Why are you not in fear of RADICAL MUSLIMS

                (A) I refuse – flatly – to live my life in fear. I had enough of that in my early years, I will not live that way again.

                (B) Because they’re not a real threat.

                (C) Because there are 1,000,000x greater things to worry about (starting with my elevated cholesterol and the fact that I drive too fast).

                Worrying about Radical Muslims is like trying refusing to swim in the ocean for fear of being stuck by a meteor.

  13. gmanfortruth says:

    Mathius™ says:

    May 14, 2014 at 9:39 am (Edit)

    The federal government spends ~112B on education. It spends ~820B on “defense.”

    THAT is what is preventing so many kids from getting a “real education.”

    That is total Bullshit Mathius. It’s not the Feds job to educate the people. Now, do your research and see how much the individual States, Counties and local school districts add to the number and then you have a realistic number. But if you insist, just go vote, that’ll fix the problem.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Let me add, The Constitution doesn’t grant the Federal Govt the power over education, they should be spending ZERO dollars on it.

    • Mathius™ says:

      That is total Bullshit Mathius. It’s not the Feds job to educate the people.

      It’s not bullshit. And, maybe it is, maybe it isn’t their job. But it SHOULD BE.

      The problem with the fact that a trainloads of money are spend by state/local governments is that the money is generated and, therefore spent, in wealthy areas. See that? If you live in, say, Detroit or Camden, the people who MOST need education to escape the poverty trap have the least access. You should only read some of the horror stories. And I’ll remind you that my wife used to teach in the Bronx at a supposedly “good” school.. ooh boy.

      We are failing an entire generation of children.

      Because we’d rather spend money on bombs than books.

      And because, for some reason, we seem to think that only the rich should be able to have an education.

      I went to a private school because public schools in LA are a joke. If my family hadn’t been able to afford it, I would not have had a viable education. I would not have gone to college. I would not have a good job, and I would be poor. My children would be poor, and they would not get an education. Born poor ==> die poor. Have poor children ==> they die poor. That is not how America is supposed to operate. We have lower social mobility than India. That is NOT how America is supposed to operate.

      Education is the key.

      But, by all means, let’s just keep ignoring it and pretending that it’s actually a national priority.

      But if you insist, just go vote, that’ll fix the problem.

      At every opportunity..

        • Great argument you have there — we throw $X at education as it is, with bad results, so why throw more!? All the while, completely ignoring that we don’t put nearly enough money into education to begin with!

          • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

            Buck,

            Perhaps because the answer to “Public Education” has ALWAYS BEEN “Throw more money at it”, and yet, “Public Education” continues to deliver worse and worse results.

            It isn’t as if “Throw More Money At It” doesn’t have a 50 year track record of failure after repeated failure already, but if you insist…

            Insanity is repeating the same action over and over again and expecting different results – Albert Einstein.

            • No of course the answer isn’t just throw money at the problem and hope it magically gets better. But more funding is needed as one component of many.

          • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

            What would be your definition of “enough money” to solve the problems of “education”, and where would you get that money from??

            Since we have thrown literally well over a Trillion dollars at “Education” in the past 60 years, and education still sucks, why do you perceive “money” to be the problem???

            • Mathius™ says:

              What would be your definition of “enough money” to solve the problems of “education”

              More.

              What would be your definition of “enough money” to solve the problems of “education”, and where would you get that money from??

              Enough that everyone in America knows to put their commas INSIDE of the quotation marks. ;)

              and where would you get that money from??

              Defense, agra subsidies, and long-term savings to welfare and prisons. Also, lest we forget that an educated population is a more productive population and, thus, we can expect an expanded long-term tax-base as well.

              why do you perceive “money” to be the problem???

              Because, despite your “well over 1T” sticker shock, that’s really not much money considering just how many children there are and how long the period is. (in fact, the math works out to about $175 / student / year, so I suspect your 1T estimate is far too low).

              ——–

              Try this: http://i.imgur.com/5GvWV.jpg

          • Thank you – it is a great argument. Throwing more money at education doesn’t equal better education results.

            • Mathius™ says:

              So the answer is to… what, exactly?

              • Obviously the only answer here is to get the federal government completely out of education, because the only solution to any problem is the dismantlement of the federal government….haven’t you been paying attention??

              • Mathius™ says:

                Ah. Yes. Sorry, of course.

                Let’s try that then.

          • When the hell are you an Matt going to start to understand that there is no amount of money you can spend on education which will accomplish anything. You have, Matt has, I have and everybody else on this site has a love of education ergo, we have learned. Where did this love come from? Do we have it because we are white? Because we are Jews, Protestants, Catholics, atheists? Of course not. We have it because we were introduced to it by one or both of our parents. All of us are familiar with the problems that Asian families have regarding higher education, especially in the tech/science fields. they skew the hell out of entrance applications and are in no small part responsible for California dropping affirmative action. Why? Ask why? What the hell is so different about them? Do they have a love of education in their genes? No, it is because Mom and Dad realize the value of an education and prize it so highly. So, lets go back to our “inner cities” who spend more per pupil than most middle class suburbs. Why the failure? What is different goddam it? What is different? Can’t you see it, do I have to spell it out for you every time? Or, which I think more likely, are you too fearful of being a perceived by yourself or others as a racist if you just admit the truth. There is little or no value accorded to education in the inner city.

            The one in a hundred who succeeds on his or her own are exceptions, get that, exceptions! They are not the norm. Your pious wringing of the hands and calling people you disagree with names changes nothing. Until and unless we are willing to call facts, facts
            and stop the ridiculous habit of equating wishful thinking with facts, nothing will ever change. Gentlemen, you are either part of the problem or part of the solution!

            I do not want to hear YOUR anecdotal evidence about poor children, Those Asian kids put the lie to that as did the poor Jewish, German, Slav, Irish, Italian, Greek kids who came before them. What is missing from this equation is parents who care. Notice I did not say educated parents because that does not matter. What matters is that those parents whether literate or not understand that to have a future, their children must learn. My wife too taught in the ghetto, Red Hook Brooklyn to be precise. Kids out in the street to all hours of the night, no homework, no parental involvement. Parent teacher nights when out of thirty kids, two parents came. Tell me some more fables to salve your conscience why don’t you? Blame me, blame racism, blame the Koch brothers, blame Anita, but remember the quote from Shakespeare, “The fault dear Brutus is not in our stars but in ourselves.”

            • SK – please read just up above where I said:

              “No of course the answer isn’t just throw money at the problem and hope it magically gets better. But more funding is needed as one component of many.”

              Money is not the answer in and of itself. Nowhere have I ever suggested that to be the case. But you’re kidding yourself if you believe more funding isn’t needed.

              • Money is not even close. Kids have learned since time immemorial in horrible circumstances because the desire to learn was implanted early and constantly reinforced. .

            • Mathius™ says:

              No, it is because Mom and Dad realize the value of an education and prize it so highly.

              There’s a Jewish adage: “It is better to you should sell everything you own, that your daughter may marry a learned man.”

              A little anachronistic, perhaps, but the general point stands. In Jewish culture, being a “learned man” is essentially the highest thing to which you can aspire (other than doctors and lawyers, of course ;) )

              • All we do gooders (and I was one) have accomplished in the last fifty years is to totally destroy a culture which had started from scratch after the emancipation proclamation. We should be very proud of ourselves.

                Maybe that culture was “borrowed” from the larger white culture. All that I know is that it was, in terms of results, infinitely preferable to rap-gansta culture.

                Read and watch Malcolm X. He knew, it was partially why he had to die.

            • Bravo!!

            • Mathius™ says:

              There is little or no value accorded to education in the inner city.

              Perhaps.

              I certainly agree that there are elements of American culture in which education is not only not-valued, but actively undesired. Not to single out any particular culture, but I’ve hear it referred to as “acting white” to get good grade and speak proper English. (the individual who was told this was a good friend of mine for many years and is in his final year of residency – I can only assume that the people who mocked him are mostly concerned whether people “want fries with that”).

              There is something catastrophic when a culture says this. But that doesn’t mean that schools don’t ALSO need to be better funded – especially where they are needed the absolute most: inner cities and for at-risk youth.

              And, by the way, right along with “school” is nutrition, after-school programs, tutoring help, school supplies, special-needs (especially reading specialists), and more. And then, it’s not just dumping them into the streets at 18. It’s technical schools, 4-year schools, post-grad. And it’s not just that, but a stipend for cost-of-living while in those schools. For the love of God, look at what the Nordic countries are able to achieve!

              Fix the culture, fix the schools themselves, and fix the peripherals. All this costs MONEY. And lots of it,.

              I’d say you could about do it for the price of invading Iraq in search of non-existent weapons of mass destruction related programs and activities.

              And the societal benefits would be beyond enormous.

              • You Matt, no matter how well intentioned and I and Buck and Anita and VH and Charlie cannot provide nor substitute for an absent or non existent family. Get that, an absent or non-existent family! Short of inviting these poor kids into your home, making them part of your family 365, 24-7 and becoming their surrogate father while imbuing that love of education and keeping them away as best you can from the negative influences of the street there is not much else you can do except preach and be criticized for preaching honky values and forcing them on people.

                As an anecdote, one of the saddest things I ever saw while in the army was when we got a young educated black middle class kid. Intellectually and educationally he was certainly our peer yet he felt he had to be one of the “bro’s”. I wonder if the Colonel experienced this too while in Vietnam, we are the same age. These guys were like a fish out of water you could make the comparison with a college guy, like me, being in a platoon of high school drop outs but the race loyalty thing really skewed and screwed it up.

                Nordic countries are a homogenous culture. How successful are the French with their African immigration and even that is not close ? You cannot compare cultures because as Robert A. Heinlein said, people are NOT the same all over. Saw an interesting program on PBS last week about No. Koreans who have escaped to So. Korea and the discrimination they face as undereducated, not self sufficient, short people (because of diet). janitor type jobs and prostitution for the women seem to be the only options they have. Suicide is endemic as is drug abuse. When you are an outsider, are treated like an outsider, act like an outsider, you really reduce your own options. You can start rectifying this by not acting like an outsider but somebody who really cares about you has to tell you this. .

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Mathius, I agree that education is important. Better educations are a matter of economics, as you say, but the Feds do not have the power to control it. Money has to come from the people or borrowed, the better schools are where the money is spent by it citizens.

        Just a quick fact on the poor areas with poor schools, they are all in areas politically controlled by Liberal Democrats and have been for decades. Look in the mirror and remember that they are that way, poor, because of the free cookies your ilk promises them. The solution is simple, but killing liberal politicians is not moral, but the problems would quickly end the free cookies would stop. These are all common denominators to the problems you state, and I agree, it is a problem. :)

        • Mathius™ says:

          the better schools are where the money is spent by it citizens.

          .. because those citizens have the money to spend..

          Rich people ==> have more money ==> spend more on schools ==> kids get better education ==> kids get better jobs ==> become rich adults

          Poor people ==> have less money ==> spend less on schools ==> kids get worse education ==> kids get worse jobs ==> become poor adults

          they are all in areas politically controlled by Liberal Democrats and have been for decades.

          Chicken / Egg.. Then again, I’m not prepared to stipulate this idea.

          Look in the mirror and remember that they are that way, poor, because of the free cookies your ilk promises them.

          … OR… or, just saying.. maybe they get the free stuff BECAUSE THEY’RE POOR and, therefore, need it.

          The solution is simple, but killing liberal politicians is not moral, but the problems would quickly end the free cookies would stop.

          Naw.. more would just crawl out of the woodwork..

          • Do not get caught in the money trap. Read “A tree grows in Brooklyn” watch the movie even, with your wife, she will love it. Follow that up with reading “The Last Angry Man”. This is how families get ahead and out of poverty. Schools as in “A Tree Grows” can supplement can make you learn faster, but the desire starts at home.

        • G-man, you too have fallen in the trap. Screw the schools! What counts is family and the white power structure, with the best of intentions as always has totally destroyed that.

          Had I not been able to go onto college with an 80% scholarship in 1964, I still would never have stopped learning because, from an early age, it was imbued in me by my parents.

          My father and his brothers had little formal education because of circumstance but they were smart and knowledgeable on subjects they had no right to be interested it. My old Dad used to say, “The day you don’t learn something new, is the day you are dead”. It may be totally esoteric crap or trivia that only Alex Trebek would appreciate but I do learn something new every day, usually several somethings.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            No Sir, I understand things quite well. The poor are given free cookies and the rules of those disallow a father figure within the group, usually grandmother , mother and kids, but not able bodied males allowed.

            Dig deep into history to the Democrat President that said ” we’ll hang them niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years”. Then look at how the welfare laws and rules ensured that !

            No Sir, not trapped at all! :)

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Whoops, the auto correct on the phone changed “have” to “hang”, LOL. Auto correct on the IPhone can be quite a challenge, and sometimes it gets me. I’m glad we’re not hanging them :)

      • Mathius,

        You have no right to steal money from me so you can indoctrinate your kids that it is ok to steal money from me.

  14. gmanfortruth says:

    Let’s talk the fraud called Global Warming, aka Climate Change, aka, Climate disruption, aka total bullshit: http://godfatherpolitics.com/15535/obama-gores-global-warming-conspiracy-revealed/

  15. Mathius™ says:

    Army Colonel Harry Riley (retired) wouldn’t happen to be our colonel, would he?

    http://thedailybanter.com/2014/05/the-u-s-government-will-be-overthrown-on-friday/

  16. Sedgewick says:

    @ Anita,

    What you describe in Detroit is a fairly normal example of a mixing multicultural community.

    There is a difference between being vigilant and/or watchful of a potential threat (perceived or real), and collecting to vandalize, harass, protest and wholly reject a group of people for their differences.

    You have had the word “terrorist” jammed in your head and associated with Muslims repeatedly over the last decade or two, as well as reinforced by the small percentage who actually terrorize. Thus you see odd acting Muslims as a potential threat. It isn’t because you are a bigot, it is because your(and Muslims abroad) natural human behavior and thought process has been manipulated to sell you a war[s] and control you with fear.

    What happened in Tennessee is fear based hyper-vigilant communal bigotry and religious superiority complex. One group of people harassed and rejected another group based on ignorant irrational fear and subsequent hate.

    “You’re the ones that’s lyin’. …It’s not a real religion.”

    Right now, there are tens of millions of Americans who have been paying very close attention to the prophecy in their bibles, propaganda and preachers, and who are scared shitless of the impending tribulation which includes their persecution, and are thus acting in solidarity to reaffirm against anything that would remotely threaten their collective position.

    • Ha Ha-if anyone is gonna bring on armageddon it’s the liberals. :)

      • Now where did that r go.

      • Sedgewick says:

        Absent a comet impact or exploding sun or something, the most immediate threat of ‘Armageddon’ is from humanity itself. …and not just liberals or conservative Christians.

        Human nature is mankind’s worst enemy.

        • Mathius™ says:

          Human nature is mankind’s worst enemy.

          Amen!

          Once again, I must ask, where can I attend your sermons?

          I’ve often considered it amazing we haven’t (yet) destroyed ourselves. I wonder if we’ll manage to get off this pale blue dot and out into the universe before we destroy ourselves.

          • Sedgewick says:

            ” …where can I attend your sermons? ”

            lol, …SUFA?

            ” I’ve often considered it amazing we haven’t (yet) destroyed ourselves. I wonder if we’ll manage to get off this pale blue dot and out into the universe before we destroy ourselves.”

            You and me both, brother.

            How do you undo or correct hundreds/thousands of years of a world based on evil and bullshit?

            • Mathius™ says:

              How do you undo or correct hundreds/thousands of years of a world based on evil and bullshit?

              The Flood?

              • Sedgewick says:

                אש?

              • Mathius™ says:

                אש… I never could read Hebrew worth a damn without the vowels.. Had to look that one up in Ye Olde Google.

                ————-

                Anyway…

                Some say the world will end in Fire.
                Others say in Ice.
                From what I’ve tasted of Desire,
                I hold with those who favor Fire.

                But if it had to perish twice,
                I think I know enough of Hate
                To say that for destruction, Ice
                Is also great, and would suffice.

              • Sedgewick says:

                “Kill them. For the Lord knows those that are His own.”

                – Arnaud Amalric

        • Human nature is man’s best feature.

          Do not merely concentrate on the 1% whose brains are undeveloped.

          Concentrate on the 99% whose brains are developed.

          Civilization could not exist if human nature was not vastly dominated by the best of human nature.

          It takes a minute to destroy what it takes years to build.
          Yet, we have massive examples of massive building of civilization.

          Therefore, it is almost an absolute dominate feature of human nature to move create and not destroy.

          • Sedgewick says:

            ” Human nature is man’s best feature. ”

            I believe that it can be, if we can learn to better govern our selfish side and rid ourselves of the systems that unnecessarily pit us against each other.

            • Mathius™ says:

              I have a theory on alien sentience. I believe there are, generally, three types of intelligent aliens species:

              1. Too Passive. Never achieve much. Live quietly and peacefully until eventually wiped out by natural disaster. Never make it into space.

              2. Too Aggressive. Achieve great things, rapid technological advancement. Live violently until they eventually wipe themselves out. Never make it into space.

              3. The Happy Middle Ground. Just aggressive enough to advance, conquer their planet, develop technology, et cetera. But mild enough that they don’t destroy themselves. These are the species with become members of the cosmos.

              I suspect that humanity is actually skirting the line between #2 and #3. Right on the line.

              If we escape, it will be by the skin of our teeth.

    • Sed,

      Why is the crime rate so high in the getto? Be it Blacks, Mexicans, any self segregated, low income population with a high crime rate. No number of cops has a significant effect. The code is you don’t nark. Gangs form and people live in fear of the criminals they protect. Fear is a part of it, but culture also has a role. The police, the “man”, is an outsider. They protect their own.

      And so with an Arab population that has segregated itself. Even though it defies logic & self interest, it is expected they would protect their own. If a small group becomes radical they will not report them to the police or Homeland Security. The fact they have segregated themselves & insulated themselves shows their cohesion.

      If you see smoke, you aren’t crazy to look for fire. If you see Muslims isolating themselves, you are not calling them terrorists or any name. You are looking at smoke, hoping it’s something else, but preparing to trip the fire alarm.

      • Sedgewick says:

        If your (insert label here) neighbor bought a box truck a month ago, a ton of fertilizer 3 weeks ago, 600 gallons of diesel fuel last week, and heavy duty batteries and electronics yesterday, he is building a truck bomb. …call the DHS or FBI.

        Otherwise, worry not.

      • Mathius™ says:

        Even though it defies logic & self interest, it is expected they would protect their own.

        What is expected and what happen are two separate things.

        Monteilh’s story sounds like something out of a pulp thriller. Under the supervision of two FBI agents the muscle-bound fitness instructor created a fictitious French-Syrian alter ego, called Farouk Aziz. In this disguise in 2006 Monteilh started hanging around mosques in Orange County – the long stretch of suburbia south of LA – and pretended to convert to Islam.

        He was tasked with befriending Muslims and blanket recording their conversations. All this information was then fed back to the FBI who told Monteilh to act like a radical himself to lure out Islamist sympathizers.

        Yet, far from succeeding, Monteilh eventually so unnerved Orange County’s Muslim community that that they got a restraining order against him. In an ironic twist, they also reported Monteilh to the FBI: unaware he was in fact working undercover for the agency.

        Source.

  17. PeterB in Indianapolis says:

    Discrimination is something that we all do, constantly, many times a day. It is an ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY function, without which it would be impossible to make decisions.

    When you decide to have an RC Cola rather than a Pepsi or a Coke, you are discriminating (by the original definition).

    In fact, it used to be a high compliment to be considered a “person of discriminating tastes”.

    • Mathius™ says:

      it used to be a high compliment to be considered a “person of discriminating tastes”.

      It still is.

      Provided you’re discriminating for a valid reason and not just slandering an entire group of people out of sheer irrationality.

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

        I agree; however, it is in the discerning of what is rational and what is irrational where the vast majority of people have a tremendous problem. Myself included, on occasion!

  18. Lies have a way of coming back and biting one in the butt. These particular lies should send some people to jail.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/05/14/new-documents-show-irs-targeting-came-directly-from-washington-dc-n1838128

  19. “Sometimes reality has a way of sneaking up and biting us in the ass. And when the dam bursts, all you can do is swim. The world of pretend is a cage, not a cocoon. We can only lie to ourselves for so long. We are tired, we are scared, denying it doesn’t change the truth. Sooner or later we have to put aside our denial and face the world. Head on, guns blazing. De Nile. It’s not just a river in Egypt, it’s a freakin’ ocean. So how do you keep from drowning in it?”

    Meredith Grey quotes

    • But he went on standing there and asking himself: “What holds me here?” And he was vexed both with himself and with this black dog, which lay on the stones instead of going off to the fields, to the forest, where it would be independent, joyful. Obviously the same thing prevented both him and this dog from leaving the yard: the habit of captivity, of the slavish condition …” Three Years, Chekhov

      • Whatever yous do, don’t assume it’s a cry for less regulation. It pertains to being a slave of wages, emotions, circumstances, etc.

        • Now Charlie-you posted it-do you really think the qualifier was necessary. I promise it was the last thing I would have ever thought. :)

          • Fair enough, V.H. … but you know JAC will say: “Yes, we’re becoming slaves to the government because we don’t have to do anything for ourselves anymore.” … completely ignoring when and where this was written … :)

            • My smiley faces aren’t working … WTF?

              • Charles, stop reading Russian literature. It is the most depressing shit in the world. Has to do with the hopelessness of trying to change anything in Czarist, Communist or Capitalist Russia. Different slogans and characters, same result. And, it is the winters too, the long, long dark and dreary Russian winters. The Russian soul is deep and sad, read their stuff and you will become that way too.

                On another note, I see that you are getting to the point where you think that change won’t come because people are getting used to the way things are and just accept it. As an Italian, you should have a genetic memory of that. It was called bread and circuses.I think your people invented it.

  20. SMART ASS

    One day a farmer’s donkey fell down into a
    well. The animal cried piteously for hours as
    the farmer tried to figure out what to do.
    Finally, he decided the animal was old, and the
    well needed to be covered up anyway;
    it just wasn’t worth it to retrieve the donkey.

    He invited all his neighbors to come over
    and help him.. They all grabbed a shovel and began
    to shovel dirt into the well. At first, the
    donkey realized what was happening and cried
    horribly. Then, to everyone’s amazement he
    quieted down.

    A few shovel loads later, the farmer finally
    looked down the well. He was astonished at what
    he saw. With each shovel of dirt that hit his
    back, the donkey was doing something amazing.
    He would shake it off and take a step up.

    As the farmer’s neighbors continued to shovel
    dirt on top of the animal, he would shake it
    off and take a step up.

    Pretty soon, everyone was amazed as the donkey
    stepped up over the edge of the well and
    happily trotted off!

    Life is going to shovel dirt on you, all kinds
    of dirt. The trick to getting out of the well
    is to shake it off and take a step up. Each of
    our troubles is a steppingstone. We can get out
    of the deepest wells just by not stopping,
    never giving up! Shake it off and take a step up.

    Remember the five simple rules to be happy:

    Free your heart from hatred – Forgive.
    Free your mind from worries – Most never happen.
    Live simply and appreciate what you have.
    Give more.
    Expect less.
    NOW …………

    Enough of that crap . .. The donkey later came back,
    and bit the farmer who had tried to bury him.
    The gash from the bite got infected and
    the farmer eventually died in agony from septic shock..

    MORAL FROM TODAY’S LESSON:

    When you do something wrong, and try to cover
    your ass, it always comes back to bite you.

    You have two choices…smile and close this
    page, or pass this along to someone else to
    spread the fun.

  21. gmanfortruth says:

    Re: Anita’s concerns.

    I think Anita’s concerns or fears are completely normal and healthy. It keeps her on her toes and observant. This country needs more like her. Being aware of your surroundings is a great way of staying safe and maybe, just maybe, see something that’s not right and stop a terrible incident from occurring. We as a nation can only be lucky to have more people just like her, concerned for herself and others and watching for the “unusual”. Kudo’s to you Anita! :)

    Buck, I think the word “fear” is too strong for the situation. Maybe “highly concerned” would be a better term, but I don’t think Anita lives in “fear” per se. I’m a very astute person when it comes to my surroundings. It’s all part of my military service, but I’m always attentive to folks who look out of place. I also enter into a concerned mode when a group of black’s suddenly show up. I always keep them in front of me and in full view, until there is ample distance from each other. This is likely an action caused by the hundreds of videos I have watched. It’s not a fear, but a security concern, something I’m trained to deal with without it even being noticed. I can link to many of the videos if you would like, not pretty stuff for the weak stomach folks. :)

    @Mathius, Want to solve the poor problem, most, not all, can be solved over a generation or so, but it won’t be an overnight fix. None of my ideas are intended for overnight action, but spread out over time. It starts by addressing the common denominators, then rebuild from the bottom up and the top down. The most important thing in rebuilding would be education. It will not require more money. :)

    • “I think Anita’s concerns or fears are completely normal and healthy.”

      Normal, maybe.

      Healthy, not one bit.

      Before the advent of modern civilization, strangers appearing on the horizon often meant violence – forging band of robbers and killers. Tribalism and xenophobia was the rule.

      You can see this in part in the names of many Indian tribes given by other tribes – in their language these names mean “enemies”

      But in a modern advanced civilization, this “normal” reaction is destructive and dangerous, since strangers appearing on the horizon today are not enemies, yet, are treated that way – which then makes them enemies.

      An irrational fear always leads to manifestation of that very fear.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        If it saves her life one day, quite healthy. But my main point was that what she claimed as fears seemed quite overblown versus reality. Just my opinion of course, but I doubt Anita lives her life in perpetual fear. She has a strong sense of self preservation :)

        • Shooting everyone you see may save your life one day.
          But it will most certainly, one day, be the cause of your death.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            She nor I said anything about shooting anyone, nor gave any such insinuation. Not sure where you coming from. That happens to all of us at times :D

            • I was merely applying your principle upon another action.

              The principle you presented was “act in fear no matter because one day it may be real”
              You forgot its corollary position: “almost all days it is not real, but always acting in fear will massively increase danger around you”

              • gmanfortruth says:

                I believe the action I had mentioned was “being observant”. That, which is totally harmless to others, is a common human action. My Pirate friend, you are playing semantics much like Mathius and Buck did. At no time did Anita or myself ever mention any form of physical actions against those at which we become “observant” of. I mentioned a group of black teens above, I would be equally observant if their attention was on you or your wife and child. If nothing happens, super, but if something immoral happens, at least someone who is observant can render aid, even if only calling 911. After an attack, per se, at least someone is there to render first aid until medics get there. Just sayin :wink:

              • “I believe the action I had mentioned was “being observant”.

                You said “I think Anita’s concerns or fears are completely normal and healthy.”, which is exactly what I disputed – your claim that fear is “healthy”.

                One can be vigilant – this is NOT a sign of fear. I am vigilant when I cross a street so that I am not hit by a car is NOT me being afraid of cars.

                It is not semantics. Words have meaning. You said “fear” and “healthy” in the same sentence.

                Whether you mention “physical action” or not, please understand this perfectly:

                FEAR LEADS TO ACTIONS of VIOLENCE.

                It does not matter one little bit if that fear is real or false – which is why carrying an irrational fear is so deadly and dangerous. IT LEADS TO VIOLENCE like rain upon dirt leads to mud.
                :

              • gmanfortruth says:

                It’s great to live in the country! I mostly spend time observing wild game. Much better than living in a crime infested city with no way out.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                I also said that the use of fear in her case was wrong, I suppose you missed that part?

              • S T R E T C H

                I will never initiate violence, period.

              • But of course you do – you do it by proxy.
                You yourself may not pick up the club and do the beatings, but you champion others who do because they act to “protect” you from your imaginary fear.

              • Mathius™ says:

                It’s amazing that you can’t see the violence you impose upon others, yet insist that they are all violent toward you.

          • Mathius™ says:

            Shooting everyone you see may save your life one day.
            But it will most certainly, one day, be the cause of your death.

            He that lives by the sword…

    • Thank you Gman. Fear is too strong a word. Whatever the word is, Buck and Matt can puff their chest out all they want. While my city is only 25000 strong, I live in a metropolitan region of over 4 million. That’s about 3.99mil more than I’d like. I also have a major international airport at my doorstep and with that comes many cultures and concerns. I’m quite sure there are subsets of people Matt and Buck have their eye on too, it’s natural. Especially since Matt is the first person to say that People. Are. Evil.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        :cool: :wink:

      • People are not evil.

        People are self-interested.

        Most people operate under a framework of:

        Perception -> Action -> Justification.

        You see something, you act, and then post hoc, justify what you did.

        The proper framework
        Perception -> Justification ->Action.

        But that requires coherent, rational, principles which guide your action.
        You have principles, but you discard them whenever they interfere with your desire.

        Hence, you are the same most people – merely self-interested.

        • Perception: Radicals want my head
          Action: Watch my back
          Justification: They drew first blood

          Perception: Radicals want my head
          Justification: I need my head
          Action: Watch my back

          I’m evil?

  22. gmanfortruth says:
    • gmanfortruth says:

      Mathius and Buck, the above link is your education dollars in action. the teachings are outright lies and this is a great example of the indoctrination of our young. Drivel, Lying drivel.

  23. gmanfortruth says:

    Back to the Muslim issue:

    Huffington started off the quibbling by saying she believes it’s “dangerous” to stereotype all Muslims as terrorists. Agreed, but a flimsy straw man argument at best, because no one claims all Muslims are terrorists. Nothing more satisfies a liberal than beating a straw man like a piñata to prove a point that no one holds.

    Read more at http://eaglerising.com/6169/dangerous-call-muslims-dangerous/#v3F7jWXJcMQimPUx.99

    Nothing more satisfies a liberal than beating a straw man like a piñata to prove a point that no one holds.
    That’s a “no shit Sherlock” statement that has been proven quite true right here at SUFA

  24. gmanfortruth says:
  25. gmanfortruth says:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/usda-to-purchase-submachine-guns.html

    I guess if you have chickens where your not supposed to have chickens, the USDA is going to blow them to smithereens :)

  26. WOW-I’m got the day off and I’m so frustrated by the extremes of this conversation-it is hard to know what to say or where to start. Oh, I know I’ll play a song. It came to mind when Matt posted “if you live by the sword”, also made me think if you live totally without a sword you’ll die sooner. :)

  27. gmanfortruth says:

    Mathius™ says:

    May 15, 2014 at 11:00 am (Edit)

    It’s amazing that you can’t see the violence you impose upon others, yet insist that they are all violent toward you.
    You can’t be much more hypocritical than that, Mr. Big Government :roll:

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Anita, you must have Medusa like skills when you look at people. Geez, this has become absurd. :)

    • Mathius™ says:

      You can’t be much more hypocritical than that, Mr. Big Government :roll:

      Don’t get me wrong – I love me some big government. But I’m a pacifist when it comes to foreign policy. That’s not to say that I’m in the no-violence-no-matter-what camp, but I’m extraordinarily leery of the use of force. Especially, I loath the idea of using for to further our economic interests (regime change to get access to oil and such). I’m more ok with it for humanitarian reasons or to protect an ally.

      But I feel clear that I’m personally divided on the roll of government (Me verse Dread Pirate Mathius). I don’t think it’s hypocritical to be aware of a choice and make the wrong one – at worst, that makes me a fool. I believe that the Greater Good must be served and that, if violence is necessary, then it is necessary and should be done.

      But that’s a far cry from failing to see that we are, in fact, inflicting massive violence worldwide and then playing the victim when our chickens come home to roost.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        LOL, I’ll let Flag have some fun with you here :) I’ll just say that, as I see it, violence is only acceptable in self defense or defense of family/property. There is no good use of violence, ever.

        • Mathius™ says:

          That is a perfectly reasonable view (one shared by DPM), however, that’s not my point.

          My point is that we (the royal “we”) inflict massive global violence. And yet, we see none of it and we’re shocked that Muslims are so inherently evil and violent that they can’t be trusted near airplanes. You don’t see the myopia here? You don’t see the double-standard and the sheer lunacy of such a view?

          • gmanfortruth says:

            I think our Federal politicians are criminals, past and present for the actions they permitted/ordered. I’m not shocked at all how Muslim’s act/live. Most are peaceful, a small minority are not. The lunacy is to ignore the fact that some Muslim’s hate us (most don’t) and that some blacks feel the same way (about whites). Both have proven to engage in violent actions against those they hate. There is nothing wrong with being observant of your surroundings. There is nothing wrong with watching one;s back, because we all know the government is a complete failure at doing so. It’s personal responsibility that guides people daily lives, which includes staying away from danger.

            Black Flags analogy is perfect : One can be vigilant – this is NOT a sign of fear. I am vigilant when I cross a street so that I am not hit by a car is NOT me being afraid of cars.

            He is not afraid of cars, now change cars to Radical Muslim’s of black gangs. Then realize that it’s not the car that one is afraid of, it’s the violent hit that comes because one ISN’T vigilant :wink:

  28. @Stephen: “On another note, I see that you are getting to the point where you think that change won’t come because people are getting used to the way things are and just accept it. As an Italian, you should have a genetic memory of that. It was called bread and circuses.I think your people invented it.”

    No, I think WE won’t change anything. Change will come. It has to happen. I likely won’t be around when it does happen. and it will mostly likely be as bloody as all revolutions … the new czars will be tortured and strung up … so it goes … we reap what we sow …

    And Iove Russian literature, the cold and pretty much anything dark. (smiley face)

  29. gmanfortruth says:

    Update on the Bundy Family and it’s battle with the BLM and corrupt political leaders:

    Tuesday, May 13, 2014

    It has been several weeks since the BLM’s special forces came into the valley with guns raised, barricading our lands, stealing and destroying our property, and terrorizing the community. Their original plan was to occupy the land for seven weeks. They would still be in the valley today if the people did not stand and demand departure. We can only imagine what would have happen if they were allowed to remain. In the six days they were present on the land, people from the community were threatened and interrogated for simply being on there public lands, others were beat to the ground, boot on head, hauled off while their families watched in desperation with guns to their faces. Others were violently thrown to the pavement, gang tackled to the rocks, tasered, threatened by guard dogs, and ultimately hundreds of lives balanced on the triggers of the BLM’s special army. The people took the right action by standing up to these trained mercenaries. If allowed to remain for the seven planned weeks, lives most assuredly would have been taken and the freedom we enjoy on this land would have been forever lost.

    The Bundy family has been approached many times by well known, highly effective lawyers from all over the country offering their services free of charge. This case, they say; “has the makings of great”. The crimes and civil rights violations committed by the BLM are a lawyers playground. We have chosen not to engage in legal action up to this point for two reason. First, is simply because we have not felt impressed to do so. We understand that as humans we are limited to knowledge and understanding. We believe that the creator of this world possesses all knowledge and understanding. We also know that if we seek this knowledge he will share it with us. Until recently, legal action has shown no benefit to this cause. The second, is time based, the people expected Sheriff Gillespie and Governor Sandoval to take action. We felt it was important to give them ample time to do what is right, time enough to start investigating the crimes that were committed upon their constituents. The primary purpose of both their positions is to protect the lives & liberties of the people they serve, and be a buffer against outside threats. It is disheartening to see them betray and run with open arms to the very entities that mock the constitution and threatened the peoples lives. Our governor and sheriff should have been our heroes, but yet they remain corrupted.

    It is first and far-most the responsibility of the PEOPLE of the State of Nevada and Clark County to correct Governor Sandoval and Sheriff Gillespie, they work for us, not the federal government. With a sense of sadness and duty we announce that we are assembling a team of legal advisers and will be seeking the wisest action in assisting the PEOPLE in re-establishing individual protection through government. Our action will not be for the benefit of person or family. Any action taken will be an effort to protect individual rights and to restore the principles of the Constitution. As always; we will continue to seek the Lord’s guidance in these matters.

    Thank you,

    Bundy Family

    • I find this woman’s insights very eye opening-I read other speeches by her that went into more detail about the sex education part of the equation-the reasons why they insist on teaching younger and younger children. To make them less modest when they are too young to think for themselves, thus more open to manipulation.

      I need to try and find them. They were very interesting and quite scary and rage inducing at the same time.

      • I found one-I will add that in other articles she also pointed out that the reasoning behind the circles was to make children laugh at their parents so they would be separated from their values and to make it much less likely that they would go home and talk to their parent about what they learned today-which was basically that their parents were stupid.

        ” “We had a goal of 3-5 abortions from every girl between the ages of 13 and 18, because we all work on a straight commission inside the abortion industry,” she said. With every customer, Everett became a little richer.

        But in order to reach her financial goal, Everett said she first had to create a “market for abortions.” That meant convincing young people from the earliest age possible to see sexuality in an entirely different way than previous generations.

        “We started in kindergarten. In kindergarten you put the children in a circle and you go around the room and you ask them all the same question: ‘What do your parents call your private parts?’”

        “You know and I know that every family in this room has a different name for the private parts. So by the time you reach the third or fourth child it is clear to those children that parents simply do not know what they have. But we did. We said: ‘Boys this is what you have and girls this is what you have and don’t be ashamed of your private parts.’”

        Everett explained how sex education at the earliest ages aimed at eroding in the children what she called “natural modesty.” Everything was calculated to “separate the children from their values and their parents.”

        By third grade, children were shown explicit ‘how to’ diagrams of intercourse. By fourth grade, children were encouraged to masturbate, either alone or in groups of the same sex.

        It was during the fifth and sixth grade that Everett herself supplied the missing link between sex-ed and abortion.

        “My goal was to get them sexually active on a low dose birth control pill that we knew they would get pregnant on. How do you do that? You give them a low dose birth control pill that, in order to provide any level of protection, has to be taken accurately at the same time every single day. And you know and I know, there’s not a teen in the world who does everything the same time every day.” ”

        Here’s the rest of the article if you want to read it

        http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/we-created-demand-for-abortion-by-pushing-sex-ed-on-kids-former-abortion-pr

  30. Anita – I had no idea you were such a rotten, bigoted, evil person. Hooboy. /smh

  31. “Bigotry must be called out. Always and forever, it is an imperative of a healthy society that it cannot be tolerated.

    Gonna start here :)

    Okay-define bigotry-tell me when something amounts to bigotry and when it is just stating a fact-what “thing” defines the difference?

    “Don’t want to be called a bigot? Don’t do or say bigoted things.” ”

    Who is the judge of what is and isn’t-basically the same question as above.

    “My people were once the subject of such bigotry. I will not stand idly by and watch others be subjected to the same.”

    Yes they were and they still are and so are others. I believe Monday was an anniversary of the holocaust. I have to wonder Matt-it seems to me that although it is true that the Jewish people where a victim of bigotry and that going after an identifiable group is dangerous-which I agree with wholeheartedly. It is also true that people hid their heads in the sand and refused to acknowledge the reality that Hitler’s beliefs and those who agreed with him were dangerous. Which is why he and his group was able to do the unforgivable things that they did.

    • “It is also true that people hid their heads in the sand and refused to acknowledge the reality that Hitler’s beliefs and those who agreed with him were dangerous. Which is why he and his group was able to do the unforgivable things that they did.”

      Ding, ding, ding! WE HAVE A WINNER!

    • Mathius™ says:

      It is also true that people hid their heads in the sand and refused to acknowledge the reality that Hitler’s beliefs and those who agreed with him were dangerous. Which is why he and his group was able to do the unforgivable things that they did.

      Right. Which is why I will not sit by and watch Muslims be maligned in a similar manner.

      Do I think there’s going to be Holocaust of Muslims in the US? No. No I don’t.

      But, then again, if you’d asked me in the 1940’s, I would also have doubted that we’d “intern” the Japanese.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Keep swinging at that piñata if it makes you feel better.

      • Matt, I do not want to stand by and watch Muslims be hurt either-I simply think there is a balance here that needs to be acknowledged. There is danger in ignoring facts and there is danger in maligning a whole group of people. Which is why most people use qualifiers when talking about these issues. And the issues are many-We have people who are talking about Muslims, blacks, whites, Jews, and Christians and I’m sure a few more. How are we supposed to talk about issues within the framework of your definition of bigotry without everyone being classified as bigots?

        • Mathius™ says:

        • Mathius™ says:

          How are we supposed to talk about issues within the framework of your definition of bigotry without everyone being classified as bigots?

          By looking at the source of the distinctions.

          For example, when someone thinks that Muslims are dangerous, then they’re missing the point. The point isn’t that Muslims are dangerous. It’s that people are dangerous, and that some of those dangerous people are going to be Muslim. Further, when you have an oppressive culture, lack of education, lack of freedom, and the constant boogeyman (sometimes rightly, sometimes not) is the US / Israel, of course you’re going to foster extremism. So is the source of the issue that we shouldn’t let “Muslims” near planes, or is it that we shouldn’t let people with “extremist tendencies” near planes? Well, of course it’s the later. But it’s so much harder to isolate and control for – it’s not like they wear signs to alert you.

          And then our brains step in and do that pattern recognition thing. There’s no way for it to link “extremist” to any identifiable quality.. but Muslim, sure, it can do that. So your brain says “Muslim” = “Dangerous” and that’s the end of the story. It is this that we must fight against.

          Ask yourself WHY you might think “Muslims” are dangerous. Is it their religion? Nope – there are 1.4 billion peaceful Muslims who all share a nearly identical religion to 2+ billion Christians. So WHY are some of them dangerous? Because they were raised in a situation which fostered extremism, they internalized it, and then they lashed out the only way they could. It’s not that they’re Muslim – it’s that their lives sucked and they came out of it thinking this way – it’s a mental disorder that’s been inflicted upon them and is entirely independent of their religion.

          Fear poverty. Fear oppression. Fear desperation. Fear a lack of education. Don’t fear a whole group of people who just so happen to overlap this slightly.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Swing batter, batter, swing, :D

          • You keep talking about the whys of the way people are the way they are- but you miss the point-you believe they are extreme or their beliefs are wrong but the people who hold these views do not-they think they are right-that their beliefs aren’t extreme they are simply the right views to hold. And I’m not talking about extremist I’m talking about people from another culture that have different ideas of right and wrong. Some of these ideas simply are not compatible with our culture.

            Read this-“Sudan sentences pregnant Christian to death for apostasy
            posted at 8:41 am on May 15, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

            A pregnant woman faces the death penalty in Sudan for apostasy, after police discovered that she had been raised as a Christian despite the family’s identification as Muslim. Meriam Yehya Ibrahim also faces a sentence of flogging for marrying outside her religion, even though her husband is also Christian. The heart of both cases is the law forbidding the conversion of any Muslim to any other faith:

            A Sudanese court has sentenced a Christian woman to death for renouncing Islam, her lawyer said Thursday.

            Meriam Yehya Ibrahim, 27, was convicted by a Khartoum court this week of apostasy, or the renunciation of faith.

            The court considers her to be Muslim.

            She also was convicted of adultery.

            Ibrahim’s lawyer Haram Othman told CNN that her legal team will appeal the verdict within 15 days.

            According to the rights group Amnesty International, she was convicted of adultery because her marriage to a Christian man was considered void under Sharia law. She was sentenced to 100 lashes for the second crime.

            The court gave her three days to reconvert to Islam or face death. The government of Sudan also insisted that this was normal justice in Islamic countries:

            In what is said to be the first case of its kind in Sudan, Ibrahim was told by a court in the capital Khartoum on Sunday that she had three days to recant her faith or face death.

            Ahmed Bilal Osman, Sudan’s Information minister, told the AFP news agency: “It’s not only Sudan. In Saudi Arabia, in all the Muslim countries, it is not allowed at all for a Muslim to change his religion.”

            Western nations immediately protested the court’s ruling, as did Amnesty International, which is seeking to publicize the case:

            “The fact that a woman could be sentenced to death for her religious choice, and to flogging for being married to a man of an allegedly different religion is abhorrent,” said Manar Idriss, Amnesty International’s Sudan researcher. “‘Adultery’ and ‘apostasy’ are acts which should not be considered crimes at all…It is flagrant breach of international human rights law.”

            The Khartoum embassies of the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and Holland expressed their opposition to the case in a joint statement.

            The US has limited resources with which to act. We have diplomatic relations with Sudan and deliver a significant amount of humanitarian aid, but we have no ambassador to Sudan; the post has been vacant for a year or more. We have sanctions still in place from the Darfur conflict, although we are also working to mediate the remaining disputes in the settlement. We could squeeze Khartoum on aid, but that would almost certainly backfire on the US in terms of public relations.

            Nevertheless, we need to keep pressure in some form on Sudan to reverse this decision. We should also pray for Meriam Yehya Ibrahim, and for true justice to be done.”

            Note that it is the view held by many Muslim Countries-this is what I am talking about-not Muslims as a whole -specific Muslims from a specific culture. I do not know how to identity them as just people-what do I call them-how do I identify them Because these are the people I do not want coming to this Country and effecting our freedom and our laws. I use qualifiers-I make it clear I’m not talking about ALL Muslims-I know I cannot identify the who by looking at them. But I can limit the danger by limiting the number and the time between allowing Muslim’s from these countries to immigrate here. Because once they are here you are right-they have the right and freedom to voice their opinions and effect our freedoms and our rights.

            • One more question-because I think you kinda dismissed by beginning argument. If I lived back in the time of Hitler-how would I go about condemning his and Germany’s actions without condemning all the German people per your rules about bigotry?

              • gmanfortruth says:

                You answer to this question is exactly why I have called Democrat politicians Nazi’s. Because if they could, the Dems would have you arrested and locked up, if not killed, for speaking out against them. The similarities of then and now are chilling if one just does the research.

              • Nazi:
                NATIONALIST
                SOCIALIST
                PARTY
                and were willing to use State violence to enforce themselves.

                Democratic Party want a national, socialist policy, and are willing to use State violence to enforce themselves.

                The difference in the color of the shirt they wear does not matter.

              • G – that is one of the dumber things you have posted here in awhile….

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Opinions vary :)

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Buck, the Democrats want to do EXACTLY what Hitler and the Nazi’s did in Austria. Name the subject, healthcare, gun control, education, anything. You would serve yourself well by researching for yourself. At least you will know the path your going down and dragging others with you :)

              • Yup, Nazis and Democrats — no differences there….sigh…

              • Buck my friend, you suffer from, “It can’t happen here itis”. Ask the Japanese who lived on the West Coast in 1941 or the IWW guys during and after WW 1, or the conscientious objectors from WW 1, or Sacco and Vanzetti. They might have a different take.

                WW1 was particularly instructive because of the racist, “progressive” president in power at the time. People laughed over “freedom” fries after the French wouldn’t let us overfly their airspace. Nobody was laughing when sauerkraut became “liberty cabbage” in WW 1 and hundreds if not thousands of German businesses were sacked with the “progressive” pres. looking the other way. Of course, you could always ask Charlie about Native Americans.

                I keep harping on human nature and you guys just don’t get it. An entire nation, perhaps the best educated in the world went bonkers from 1933 to ’45. The current flurry of bigotry done by calling anyone who disagrees with you a bigot has only one place to go.

                Issac Asimov in the “Foundation Trilogy” has this branch of science called psycho-history. Always thought he was onto something there. Meld a Psych Major with a History Major and see what you come up with. Hint (me).

    • Mathius™ says:

      Okay-define bigotry-tell me when something amounts to bigotry and when it is just stating a fact-what “thing” defines the difference?

      Fact: Some Muslims killed people by flying airplanes into a building.

      Bigotry: Therefore Muslims shouldn’t be allowed near airplanes.

      It’s easy enough to see if you just flip it to, say, a Christian.

      Fact: A Christian executed an abortion doctor in the middle of a church sermon with a gun.

      Bigotry: Therefore Christians shouldn’t be allowed to own guns.

      —-

      It becomes bigotry when you malign an entire group based on the actions of a few.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I will repeat an earlier post: because no one claims all Muslims are terrorists. Nothing more satisfies a liberal than beating a straw man like a piñata to prove a point that no one holds.

        The only person aligning an entire group is YOU!

      • First of all Anita didn’t say Muslims shouldn’t be allowed around planes-she said because they found a cell hidden within that airport-she was concerned there might be more of that ilk in the area-that is not saying every Muslim in that area was a nut-just that some of them might be. Nothing in her individual interactions with the people was anything but respectful-she was simply cognizant of a possible danger. This does not in anyway make Anita a bigot-it does however show that people are too quick to condemn others. Which is something I’ve never understood-why do we give some the benefit of the doubt and choose to harshly judge others. We are all just human and we all think things that we don’t really believe and would never act upon. We give ourselves the benefit of the doubt but we choose to think others are just awful based on usually word choice. I can say vigilant and I’m not a bigot but if I say I’m afraid I’m a bigot. Causes me much frustration to deal with these attitudes.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Mathius, Are you misaligning acts of governments claiming they are acts of Christians?

        • Mathius™ says:

          Huh?

          • I gotta second that HUH? I’ve got lines between by eyes in confusion :)

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Sorry, to clarify, when you speak of all the bad things Christians have done, are you referring to the long ago past?, current actions of the government? recent government actions? all of the above? Recent actions of people ? Things like that. I want to think your referring to the crusades, but not sure. :)

            • A good point. Flag said Christians invaded Iraq & Afghanistan. I couldn’t see how since our POTUS has stated we are not a Christian nation….

              • Mathius™ says:

                Obama can say that all he wants. We are a borderline Christian theocracy.

              • We are not a borderline Christian theocracy-we have had this discussion before-and your saying such makes me think you have no reality based picture of just how bad a theocracy would be. Course if the liberals get their way concerning Big Government we will be as bad as a theocracy eventually-it will simply be like a theocracy that isn’t based on religion.

              • Black Flag® says:

                There is no doubt that the USA government is a theocracy.

                V.H., can you tell me one president who was not a Christian – yet, 20% of Americans are atheists, Buddhists, etc.

                In the whole history of the US, name one president, congressman, senator, supreme court judge who was not a Christian.

              • Mathius™ says:

                “A theocracy that isn’t based on religion” isn’t a theocracy.

                That doesn’t mean it couldn’t be just as bad though.

              • The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern.
                Lord Acton (1834-1902)

              • Whenever a single definite object is made the supreme end of the State, be it the advantage of a class, the safety of the power of the country, the greatest happiness of the greatest number, or the support of any speculative idea, the State becomes for the time inevitably absolute. Liberty alone demands for its realization the limitation of the public authority, for liberty is the only object which benefits all alike, and provokes no sincere opposition.
                Lord Acton (1834-1902)

            • Black Flag® says:

              Gman, Christians do bad thing a hundred times a second over the globe.

              You do not have to look far or long.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Correct, I just don’t know many who strap explosive vests on, go into a crowded market and blow themselves up because their religion tells them to do so. And I think you know exactly what I’m talking about.

              • Sedgewick says:

                “The most excellent Jihad is that for the conquest of self.”

              • Canine Weapon says:

                Sed,

                Seriously. Everything you write makes me like you more.

                Jihad is horrifically misunderstood in the West.

                Gman,

                I just don’t know many who strap explosive vests on, go into a crowded market and blow themselves up because their religion tells them to do so.

                I don’t either. Then again, Christians are the most powerful faction (by far) of the most powerful country (by far). Christians (in the US) tend not to kill themselves because doing so is an act of desperation beyond what is necessary given their position.

                Christian terrorism (in the US) tends to center around bombing abortion clinics, burning Korans (not sure if this qualifies as “terrorism” per say though), executing doctors in Church, White Power / KKK / neo-Nazi stuff, et cetera.

                In other countries, it involves child soldiers, forced conversions, bombings (Norway), funding of radical anti-Muslim groups, et cetera.

                In other eras in involved far more than that.

                I just don’t know many who strap explosive vests on, go into a crowded market and blow themselves up because their religion tells them to do so.

                So, no, you don’t, but that’s just because you’re fixated on a very narrow view: suicide bombings. But if you broaden your scope, you’ll see that “terrorism” is everywhere and spans all religions and races. It’s just a question of methodology.

              • One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter…

              • Sedgewick says:

                ” Jihad is horrifically misunderstood in the West. ”

                I think so. I think it goes beyond just jihad.

                When I read or hear a ‘Conservative Christian American’ make a claim about Islamic culture, I go ask a Muslim about it. I also recommend they do the same. The above quote was a response to my asking a Palestinian Muslim what the Koran says about jihad. It basically nullifies the anti-Muslim programming I have been subjected to over the last couple of decades.

                The power elite and first world governments have been manipulating middle eastern politics and/or attacking for decades. This inflames radicals and common folks alike, which are exploited as patsies, thus providing an air to ground target scapegoat boogie-man who may even be hiding in your children’s underwear at the airport or proselytizing at their school.

                Western culture often demonizes Islam(and others) in ways it isn’t even aware of. It is subtly indicative when you read an article with the word “Muslim” or “Islam” where it should read “radical” or “terrorist”, …or things like the pictures of the US flag on fire that has nothing to do with the story, and only serves to aggravate and appeal to fear.

                …not to mention all the blatant religious and conspiratorial rhetoric.

                The Muslim world is paying attention. Leaders, activists and common people are speaking out against, denouncing groups like Boko Haram, charging them with blasphemous misrepresentation of Islam. They don’t like Muslim radicals any more than westerners, and are frustrated working against the propaganda machine that often paints them as an inherently ‘bad’ culture.

                When I listen to Muslims discuss Islam, I try to understand the meaning in the message. They sound a lot like Christians preaching the same ideas. I question the irony and think to myself “This is stupid. What the hell is humanity doing?”

                If I try to convey this to Christians, or demonstrate the parallels and/or compatibility of Islam in hopes of calming fears, I am sometimes/often rejected because someone would rather wrap their ego around being scared of something their preachers or TV said was evil.

                …and they vote.

                *sigh*

              • Bravo, Sed!

                Exactly what I was inferring above – people make claims about another group of people, yet rarely, if ever, have interfaced with this group to actually know them.

                So much hearsay and nonsense later, people begin to make judgements, and then begin to act on this judgements – which then end up creating the very monsters the hearsay proclaimed.

                This “preach the boogyman to create the boogyman” is so effective, you’d swear it is a conscience tool of the “Power” to manipulate the weak-minded masses.

              • Mathius™ says:

                It is subtly indicative when you read an article with the word “Muslim” or “Islam” where it should read “radical” or “terrorist”

                I don’t think this is so subtle and it’s one of my biggest arguments here. The point (on the newer thread) isn’t that Boko is a Muslim – it’s that he’s a terrorist who just so happens to be Muslim.

                But people don’t seem to want to see it that way.

                proselytizing at their school.

                It’s funny. We had fundamentalist Christians proselytizing at my back in the day. They were given a space in the main student building. They were screaming that we’re all going to hell unless we accept Jesus. I balked at the idea, and eventually established that I’m Jewish (nominally) – they don’t me, point blank: “All you Jews are going to hell to burn in a lake of fire.”

                I cannot imaging a world wherein my school would have ever – EVER – allowed radical Muslims to proselytize in a similar manner. (not that they should have let the Christians do so either, but that’s the point of the double-standard).

                Leaders, activists and common people are speaking out against, denouncing groups like Boko Haram, charging them with blasphemous misrepresentation of Islam.

                I agree. But what I find amazing is that, given how loud they are, that so many (non-Muslim) Americans are so oblivious to this fact. I’ve seen on here dozens of times where it’s implied or directly stated that Muslims are “silent” about extremism. I call it out every time, yet it never seems to sink it.

                I certainly blame the media for its part, but the idea that people can’t take three seconds and Google what Muslims are saying about X is unfathomable to me.

                When I listen to Muslims discuss Islam, I try to understand the meaning in the message. They sound a lot like Christians preaching the same ideas.

                Because they’re basically the same religion.

                As is Judaism.

                …and they vote.

                *sigh*

                Indeed.

                *sigh*

  32. Saw a report the other day about the kidnapping’s by Boko Haram-they were whining about the mistreatment of woman and claiming that if boys had been kidnapped they would do more. Now maybe they didn’t notice but it hasn’t been that long ago that these same monsters killed by burning them to death school boys. Now one could posit that everyone just ignored the situation until the monsters started hurting girls. But personally, I think it was probably based on the fact that the boys were already dead and the girls could still be saved but hey lets not waste an opportunity to make woman look stupid.

  33. One of the most painfully ironic things the founders ever wrote that you’ve probably never read
    May. 15, 2014 12:20pm Benjamin Weingarten
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    In doing some research on what if anything the founders thought about money in politics, in light of the persistent comments from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and others that billionaires are corrupting our system of government, we came across something highly germane to government corruption: Federalist Papers no. 62 and no. 63, under which James Madison discusses the purpose of the U.S. Senate in and of itself.

    Below, Madison lays out the dangers to which the U.S. republic would surely be subjected, without a Senate to provide stability against “mutable government.”
    (Image Source: Library of Congress (Gilbert Stuart))

    James Madison. (Image Source: Library of Congress (Gilbert Stuart))

    In light of the actions of Congress during the Obama administration alone, the irony here, which would likely make Madison himself cringe, is simply breathtaking:

    To trace the mischievous effects of a mutable government would fill a volume. I will hint a few only, each of which will be perceived to be a source of innumerable others.

    The internal effects of a mutable policy are…calamitous. It poisons the blessing of liberty itself. It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?

    Another effect of public instability is the unreasonable advantage it gives to the sagacious, the enterprising, and the moneyed few over the industrious and uniformed mass of the people. Every new regulation concerning commerce or revenue, or in any way affecting the value of the different species of property, presents a new harvest to those who watch the change, and can trace its consequences; a harvest, reared not by themselves, but by the toils and cares of the great body of their fellow-citizens. This is a state of things in which it may be said with some truth that laws are made for the few, not for the many.

    In another point of view, great injury results from an unstable government. The want of confidence in the public councils damps every useful undertaking, the success and profit of which may depend on a continuance of existing arrangements. What prudent merchant will hazard his fortunes in any new branch of commerce when he knows not but that his plans may be rendered unlawful before they can be executed? What farmer or manufacturer will lay himself out for the encouragement given to any particular cultivation or establishment, when he can have no assurance that his preparatory labors and advances will not render him a victim to an inconstant government? In a word, no great improvement or laudable enterprise can go forward which requires the auspices of a steady system of national policy.

    But the most deplorable effect of all is that diminution of attachment and reverence which steals into the hearts of the people, towards a political system which betrays so many marks of infirmity, and disappoints so many of their flattering hopes. No government, any more than an individual, will long be respected without being truly respectable; nor be truly respectable, without possessing a certain portion of order and stability.

    No government, any more than an individual, will long be respected without being truly respectable

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    …I shall not scruple to add, that such an institution may be sometimes necessary as a defense to the people against their own temporary errors and delusions. As the cool and deliberate sense of the community ought, in all governments, and actually will, in all free governments, ultimately prevail over the views of its rulers; so there are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be the most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career, and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice, and truth can regain their authority over the public mind? What bitter anguish would not the people of Athens have often escaped if their government had contained so provident a safeguard against the tyranny of their own passions? Popular liberty might then have escaped the indelible reproach of decreeing to the same citizens the hemlock on one day and statues on the next.

    http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2014/05/15/one-of-the-most-painfully-ironic-things-the-founders-ever-wrote-that-youve-probably-never-read/

  34. Canine Weapon says:
  35. gmanfortruth says:

    Mathius, Your big government pals currently in office are supporting Neo-Nazi’s who hate Jews. I’m sure that makes you very happy. http://scgnews.com/the-odessa-massacre-what-really-happened

  36. Funny how often I agree with the other VH.

    May 15, 2014 12:00 AM
    Tweets Won’t Stop Modern Barbarians
    Boko Haram and the Sultan of Brunei couldn’t care less about Western outrage.
    By Victor Davis Hanson

    Nigeria’s homegrown, al-Qaeda linked militant group, Boko Haram, brags openly that it recently kidnapped about 300 young Nigerian girls. It boasts that it will sell them into sexual slavery.

    Those terrorists have a long and unapologetic history of murdering kids who dare to enroll in school, and Christians in general. For years, Western aid groups have pleaded with the State Department to at least put Boko Haram on the official list of terrorist groups. But former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s team was reluctant to come down so harshly, in apparent worry that some might interpret such condemnation as potentially offensive to Islamic sensitivities.

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    Instead, Western elites now flood Facebook and Twitter with angry postings about Boko Haram — either in vain hopes that public outrage might deter the terrorists, or simply to feel better by loudly condemning the perpetrators.

    The Obama administration has exhausted the vocabulary of outrage in condemning the aggressions of Russia’s Vladimir Putin. We habitually lecture Mr. Putin that he does not understand it is no longer the 19th century, when blood and arms once settled differences. But Putin has no apologies for his 19th-century worldview of stronger powers dictating to weaker ones as they please. (Nor does Boko Haram have any apologies for slavery.)

    Americans go into a frenzy about insensitive language or politically incorrect behavior by some celebrities and public figures — L.A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling, the Duck Dynasty TV family, celebrity chef Paula Deen, former Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich, and Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy. But if we are postmodern and sensitive, what do we say or do about premodern racists with nuclear weapons, like the North Koreans?

    A recent article from North Korea’s official Korean Central News Agency suggested that President Obama “does not even have the basic appearances of a human being. . . . It would be perfect for Obama to live with a group of monkeys in the world’s largest African natural zoo and lick the bread crumbs thrown by spectators.”

    How does the West deal with a mentality like that, originating from a country armed with nuclear weapons? Pyongyang owns no television show that we can boycott, no sports team that we can root against.

    What do we do in the face of 19th-century evil that is unapologetic, has lethal weapons at its disposal, and uses savage rhetoric to goad us? Tweet it to death?

    What about the sultan of Brunei, who just enacted sharia law that orders stoning for women found “guilty” of adultery or for homosexuals engaged in sex acts? That is a different sort of war on women than that invoked by Sandra Fluke, who lamented that she did not have free birth control from the government.

    In response, an outraged Hollywood elite is boycotting the sultan-owned landmark Beverly Hills Hotel — as if that will bother the multibillionaire sultan rather than his minimum-wage Los Angeles employees.

    Americans have become touchy about the reciting of prayers in public places. So what do we think of Saudi Arabia, which just ordered 1,000 lashes for an activist who was deemed to have insulted Islam?

    The truth is that much of the world never left the 19th century and is not too worried that it hasn’t. We have forgotten that racism, slave trading, lashings, and stoning are not that rare on our planet.

    We should not confuse material progress with moral advancement. Just because Boko Haram members have cell phones and AK-47s does not mean that they have evolved much from their predecessors’ days of whips and chains. And just because the sultan of Brunei flies in private jets does not mean that his worldview is any different from that of his forefathers who on horseback enforced the same sharia law.

    We should also reset our notion of multiculturalism. That is the popular campus fad that postulates all cultures are roughly equal and just different from one another — as opposed to any one either being better or worse. Left unspoken is the universal standard by which we judge as evil the enslaving, stoning, or whipping of the innocent. That moral belief system is Western to the core.

    From Greece to Jerusalem to Rome to the Enlightenment to the Founding Fathers slowly grew a standard of human rights that could be applied to anyone, regardless of race, creed, or color. But that is still not how most of the non-Western world works today.

    The U.N. just appointed theocratic Iran to its Commission on the Status of Women, even though Iranian women are stoned for committing adultery and some are punished for being rape victims.

    As good multiculturalists, should we say, “Who are we to judge either the U.N. or Iran?” Or should we tweet out that soon-to-be-nuclear Iran better leave the 19th century — or else?

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/377969/tweets-wont-stop-modern-barbarians-victor-davis-hanson

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      So Putin does not understand that we are not in the 19th cenrury anymore……How many countries has Russia invaded and overthrown and physically had troops on the ground and bombed in the past 34 years???? Now the U.S????

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