Not In My Back Yard…

I offer a bit of a fluff piece for the night. I am currently at my brother-in-laws to celebrate my father-in-law’s birthday so I am in a strange house that takes me a bit out of my element for writing. But I saw this and it epitomized the movements towards energy independence for the US. The culprit this time is Diane Feinstein, a very liberal Democrat Senator from, you guessed it, The socialist republic of California. She is all for alternative forms of energy, so long as they are not in her back yard.

We need to get to a place where we are using alternative forms of creating energy in the United States. Not only because we need to wean ourselves off of foreign oil, but because Americans are energy hogs and we seem to constantly need more and more of the stuff. The energy grids we have now are overworked and falling apart. Technology has us at a place where we could do something better, yet we never seem to be able to make it happen. Ever wonder why this is?

 

Senator "Not in My Back Yard" Feinstein

Senator "Not in My Back Yard" Feinstein

Enter Diane. There are several proposals to to build and operate wind and solar projects in the Mojave Desert in California, 19 of them to be exact. It seems like a good idea, right? After all it would make use of an otherwise unusable tract of land in the US. Furthermore it would create better and cleaner energy, create jobs in her state, and we all know the government will eventually find as many ways as possible to profit from the hard work of others in these projects just like the do in everything else. 

 

Diane says that she supports these types of projects but not in her Mojave Desert. According to the Senator, not only would it be aesthetically unpleasing, it could potentially wreak havoc on the ecosystem of the Mojave. It would put the desert turtles at risk. We can’t do that now can we. I mean the desert tortoise is an essential creature that we depend on for…. what exactly? 

I throw my bullshit flag on this one. I am tired of the environmental whackos jumping up and down every time we put a beetle or bird’s habitat “at risk”. And when they do it, not only are they usually lying about the dangers and ignoring the facts of life and evolution, they are also under the impression that the rights of the animals somehow trump the rights of the dominant species on the planet. 

anwr-sizeLet’s take a look at the debate on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. the environmentalists claim that it will do serious damage to the environment and destroy millions of acres of pristine land. They also claim that it will do dire damage to the herds of caribou that migrate through the area. Both are lies. The drilling in ANWR would be on the coastline, not the beautiful mountain ranges they love to put in the ads as being in danger. Drilling would be nowhere near those mountains or the areas in the pictures. Furthermore, the visible drilling equipment would cover roughly 2,000 acres of the roughly 1.5 million acres the park covers. Alaska currently has 141 Million Acres of protected land, roughly the size of California and New York combined. 

As for the caribou. Prudhoe Bay field is where the drilling has been taking place there, roughly 55 miles west of ANWR. The pipeline runs right through these pristine areas and right through the migration and breeding areas of the caribou. 10 Billion barrels have been pumped thus far and moved through that pipeline. The caribou herd that migrates through Prudhoe field numbered 3,000 in 1977 when drilling began. The herd now totals over 23,000. It sure doesn’t seem like we are hurting their ecosystem that much to me. 

Environmental opponents of drilling cannot point to a single species that has been driven to extinction or even a population decline attributable to Prudhoe Bay. In addition, the drilling there was done with decades-old technology and methods far less environmentally sensitive than what would be required in ANWR. Yet they continue to yell and scream about how horrible it would be to drill in ANWR.

And that is the problem that we are facing today. Everyone wants an answer to the energy problem in America, but the groups involved all seem to battle each other. Furthermore, they spend a lot of time living in the “not in my back yard” mentality. They are all for wind power, so long as the windmills aren’t in their back yard. Solar is the savior, but not in their back yard. We want it all, just not at any expense to us. Can’t do nuclear, too dangerous. Those who can admit that it isn’t that dangerous only agree so as long as there is not a plan to put one near their hometowns. 

solar_field1In this way the environmental groups are just like the everyday American: They want the world to be a better place so long as they don’t have to pay for it, see it, or hurt a bug doing it. A solar field in the middle of the Mojave Desert makes a lot of sense to me. Governor Terminator stated it best when he said, “If we cannot put solar power plants in the Mojave desert, I don’t know where the hell we can put it”. It is a frakkin DESERT Diane. No matter where we choose we are going to put some form of life in jeopardy according to all the environmental folks. So I say the best place to use is where the least life lives…. THE DESERT. 

Let me first say that I am not concerned about the caribou or the turtles. They are cool and all but I, as a human, think that our species outranks them on the food chain. This is how nature works. You know that there is only one other animal that alters its environment to create living conditions the way that humans do: The Beaver. It tears down trees, damns up a trickling stream, and creates a lake in order to provide the living conditions it desires. 

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DANGER: Environmentalist Kooks Ahead

And you know what, the Beavers don’t get together and discuss whether the birds that might have nests in those trees might lose their babies or their habitat. They don’t worry about whether the ant colonies that will be flooded by the new lake will be having their ecosystems devastated. They don’t think about the impact on the environment or ecosystem around them. You know why? Because they know by instinct that the ecosystem will naturally adjust itself to the new conditions. They know that the birds will find another tree. The ants will build a new nest. 

That is how nature works you dolts! The caribou adapted. The ants and the birds adapted. Because that is what creatures in nature do. They adapt or die out. If they die out it is because the no longer serve a purpose in the new world. Their species has outlived their usefulness and ability to survive. It is NATURE. And you know what, at some point it will happen to humans too. Of course we will destroy each other, but we will cease to exist as well. Evolution is real. You same environmentalists who espouse the teaching of evolution but fail to give creation equal time in the public school systems apparently do not believe that evolution takes care of things efficiently and effectively every time. Just like the true free market, nature always prevails, and usually does better when we get out of its way and let it do its thing. 

So I am not concerned about the desert tortoise. The turtles will adapt and do just fine in the new ecosystem that results from a large wind or solar farm in the Mojave. 

So all of you environmentalists out there who are steaming from both ears as you read this…. Zip It. You are full of hot air. I understand that you would rather the human race die off than to kill a few bugs, turtles, or caribou. But the fact is that humans are the dominant species. We alter the environment. Adapt or Perish.

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Comments

  1. Black Flag says:

    I know I come out bashing government and all… all of the time….

    But, the real root of my argument begins with consistency. Because government exemplifies inconsistency, it is an easy and constant target for me.

    Consistency comes at a cost of thinking.

    The Environuts don’t like to think.

    Their entire platform is emotional.

    Thus, they are utterly inconsistent.

    The sad thing, though, is that most Americans are non-thinking, emotional beings.

    So the message of one irrational group to another irrational group seems to carry.

    By the time the reasoned population gets a word edge-wise, laws (with E.A Rowe enforcing them) are already in place.

    As long as people believe that another group of people have the right to make laws enforcing ‘morals’ – tyranny will ALWAYS find a home.

    • BF,

      I have dyslexic fingers sometimes. However the capitol G is a long way from the capitol E. 😉

      Since when does NIMBY Feinstein’s spew against ruining her desert have anything to do with morals? I suggest you look up her so-called record.

      Besides, Police do not ENFORCE moral laws, you should know that, the courts do. And the beat goes on. Sit in a courtroom sometime when you are not on jury duty. Since you love long rhetorical dissertations, it should make a wonderful days entertainment for you.

      Instead of getting rid of government, get rid of the lawyers.

      Works for me. 😉

  2. USW;

    It ain’t about the tortoise. It’s all about hydrogen fueled vehicles. Guess who will get paid from the makers of extremely expensive hydrogen fuel production.

    Politicians.

    Criminals love only two things. Power & money.

    To be a career politician gives ample amounts of both.

    Time to change that.

  3. Black Flag says:

    G. A. Rowe

    I have dyslexic fingers sometimes. However the capitol G is a long way from the capitol E. 😉

    LoL.

    Guilty as charged.

    Sadly, WordPress has no editor = so it is either repeating 99.9% of the post to correct a typo, or let it ride.

    I took the easy out…. and you caught me!

    Besides, Police do not ENFORCE moral laws, you should know that, the courts do.

    Ah, sir, I disagree.

    Police ENFORCE.

    Courts JUDGE.

    Instead of getting rid of government, get rid of the lawyers.
    Works for me.

    Government begets lawyers.

    You can’t get rid of lawyers unless you get rid of government.

    • Are we going to be language environmentalists and hold up or disallow posts that are not grammatically correct or will anything do,as long as the idea can’t be misinterpreted by some small error in spelling?

      • BF & I like to pick on each other occasionally . . . It’s the human condition I suppose.

        If I didn’t have spell check, no one would ever be able to make sense out of these letters that I type 😉

      • USWeapon says:

        Getting the point across is all that matters to me. There shouldn’t be anything holding up because of spelling.

      • Black Flag says:

        To the group,

        G.A. wasn’t picking on me for the spelling

        He and I have a good natured finger poking over a number of issues. G.A. is a great guy, with lots of energetic opinions – and we take great joy elbowing each other.

        It’s all in good fun.

        I know for anyone seeing us in action at each other while not to know that history might see ‘nick-picking’ but its not there – and believe me, G.A. is not a SOB, just a good, opinionated, guy.

  4. Remember the snail darter?The little fish that almost cost Tennessee the Tellico Dam?That was after the dam was 95%complete.There was a delay but cooler heads prevailed and the gates were finally closed.The complete story makes fascinating reading.

    The lesser known Furbisher’s lousewort,a plant indiginous to the upper St.John River in Maine stopped the Dickey-Lincoln hydroelectric project in it’s tracks.It was never built.The plant is classified as a Lazarus Taxon,that’s a species thought to be extinct and then later found not to be so.There’s a whole list of Lazarus Taxons.They seem to be rediscovered when a project is mentioned in certain areas.

    The forests in the Northwest have their owl,the name of which escapes me for the moment.The owl was famous for destroying the economies of logging towns.The environmentalists loved the little feathered cretin.

    There is always an environmental researcher ready to go forth and dicscover some forgotten species that will hold up any project du jour.If a species isn’t forthcoming,then a wetlands will do.Musn’t disturb a wetlands in any way you know.Bad for the frogs and tadpoes.

    I wonder if Diane has ever seen a desert tortoise?

    • In SoCal, the “Desert Sands Flower Loving Fly” cost a company millions because after filing all those environmental impact reports (EIR’s) by the volumes, their factory construction project was canceled. Six of those flies were purported to be in the immediate area of the proposed factory. Turns out that that particular fly was not indigenous to the area after all. No matter, the ACLU took up the fight for the fly and cost almost a thousand people to be put out of work.

      Then there is the case for the Stevens Kangaroo Rat. An immigrant from Asia had worked all his life, finally got a loan and purchased a farm and a farm tractor. After plowing his field for the spring planting, he was arrested and incarcerated for running over and killing a rat. Ford Motor Company, the manufacturer of the farm tractor, was indicted and brought to trial as the farmers co-defendant. After nearly two years and many thousands of dollars in legal fees, a judge finally dismissed the case due to the fact that the farmer could not have seen the rat while plowing and the manufacturer of the tractor did not intend the tractor to kill the rat.

      And the beat goes on . . . . .

      • It’s a never ending ride.I’ve read so many of these cases that they all blend together.I quoted the only three I can positively remember.

        It’s the spotted owl.

      • USWeapon says:

        Great examples G.A. I hadn’t heard about the fly thing. Do you have any links that would tell me more about it?

        • No, I don’t have any links to that particular issue. The professor at UC Riverside, and I do not recall his name, was the lead in the attack on the company that wanted to build that manufacturing plant. The job loss ended up, as I recall, numbering in the thousands. The company eventually moved its entire operation out of CA and into another state, AZ I think. The local newspaper, The Press Enterprise of Riverside County CA might have a weblink to that story – I think the year was 1998 or at least within that decade. Give it a try.

          The other story took place up in the Central Valley of CA at about the same time frame. I am not as familiar with that one as all I know on it was garnered from the television news stories. I think it hit the MSM because of the Ford Motor Company involvement.

          However, one Kangaroo Rat incident that I was involved in sort of personally is the saga of Moreno Valley Ranch. A golf course that was designed by none other than Pete Dye at a cost of millions of dollars to the company that I worked for at the time(for liability reasons its name will not be divulged here). A total of two championship level golf courses was to be built on very challenging terrain. It would have been one fantastic course to watch being played(I do not play golf – one must know and accept ones limitations in life). For no other reason than the area that we were planning to build this golf course on used to be a potato farm (and the Stephens Kangaroo Rat LOVES potato’s) this same UC Riverside professor(mentioned in the fly incident above) found evidence that that particular rodent had at one time inhabited that area, it was designated an Endangered Species Habitat Area, along with being designated a Native American Historical Area due to some ancient graffiti(yes I know that they really are not graffiti)markings on some rocks that the company had previously agreed to preserve and protect. The end result was we could not build the second course’s second nine holes. To this day, Moreno Valley Ranch is a public golf course with three nine hole courses that the player can choose which two of the three he/she wishes to play. Tournament rules for professional tournaments dictate that there must be two complete courses available, one to practice on and a different one to play the tournament on. The County of Riverside ad the city of Moreno Valley lost out in Millions of Dollars of annual revenue and business because of one lousy rodent. And as a post script – where the second none holes were going to go, and where the ancient native American graffiti once existed, now stands hundreds of low cost housing. The rat and native Americans lost out to political payoffs once again!

    • USWeapon says:

      Probably only in a picture Ron. And if you think this has anything to do with desert tortoises (which I know you know better)… It has to do with environmentalist whack jobs getting out of hand.

  5. Nuts, they are all just nuts. Term limits with mandatory psychological testing. (Didn’t do spell check, hope that passes!)

    • USWeapon says:

      Do you really think a single member of Congress could pass? I think maybe one or two. Ted Poe comes to mind. See my old posts about him. I like him a lot. Ron Paul might pass to. Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Dodd, Rangel, Feinstein, Waxman, Waters…. would all be committed

  6. Never mind Diane, what about the NIMBYism from our the Lion of the Senate, good old Ted Kennedy? Cape Wind has been trying to build a wind farm in Nantucket Sound for years now, but God forbid, the tiny little windmills in the distance will be visible from their compound in Hyannisport, so that project is DOA. The hypocrisy is astounding. Fortunately, here in RI, our Republican Governor has gotten the ball rolling to put up the first offshore wind farm in the northeast, which will provide energy for thousands of our state residents. By being at the forefront of this effort on the east coast, he is hoping to turn our state into a model and also encourage the developers of the windmills to set up shop here. There’s someone who can harness green energy, put our natural resources to work for us, and create jobs at the same time!

    • USWeapon says:

      Kennedy is a representation of all that is wrong with the political system today. He should have been gone a long time ago.

    • After Carcieri put up roadblocks on legislation to support legislation that had support in both RI parties.

      Go ahead and call me a wack-job environmentalist, because I have no shame in admitting I feel it’s more important to have natural foods over a great-American-icon’s, don’t care if there’s no such thing as an American-made car, and would rather marvel at life than plastic junk.

      At the same time, many ‘environmentalists’ it seems don’t care about the actual environment. They value the lives of cute animals over those that are keystones of ecologic systems, and don’t know when to fight their battles.

      Simple. Use as little dirty energy as possible to power enough economic activity to maintain a livable quality of life for as many as possible, while reducing the impact on specific species.

      Okay, not so simple, but if we stop using energy, we will die. If we don’t conserve energy, we will die.

      This type of ‘environmentalist’ is disgusting. I doubt this has anything to do with environmental concerns other than the eyesore. This is what we get for living in a nation obsessed with property value, instead of land value.

      For the record, the desert is incredibly biodiverse and well populated. Common misconception among many Americans.

  7. Black Flag says:

    But again it is another lesson, USWep.

    As long as you support the right of other people telling different people what they should do with their own money/property, you will always have these issues.

    It is just because this one riles you that you note it. But you agreed to it before – just the subject changed, that’s all.

    One day I hope all of it all riles you regardless of the subject.

    • USWeapon says:

      On the contrary I seem to be riled up at her unwillingness to allow the desert to be used for the public good. Seems right in line with my previous positions.

  8. JayDickB says:

    I am all for exploring alternative energy sources, but I don’t like subsidies for these new sources, especially when they have not been proven. Ethanol subsidies really frost me.

    As for wind and solar, what happens when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine? We have to have backup sources, right? That means we have to build duplicate capacity. Doesn’t sound very efficient to me.

    Moreover, very little of our electrical power comes from petroleum. How would wind and solar energy help reduce our imports of foreign oil? I don’t know of any practical electric cars. 50 miles before requiring several hours to recharge doesn’t sound practical to me.

    • The wind ALWAYS blows offshore in the northeast Atlantic.

    • USWeapon says:

      JayDickB

      I think this is the first time I have seen you post. Welcome to the site. You are right in that the subsidies are wrong. In fact government getting in the way of the free market is always wrong.

  9. Here’s the “zero-growth” energy policy that drives me nuts!!! I work in the Gulf of Mexico in the oil and gas industry. “cheap” gas (down from $4.00) is putting our industry in jeopardy. With the cheap oil there isn’t much incentive to explore. The MSM likes to portray the oil companies as greedy, just adding to the “penis envy” of the Liberals vs. anyone who makes $$ through hard work. How much do you think it costs for all that exploration? I assure you it’s not cheap.

    There are oil projects on tap for West Africa, South America and the North Sea. Unfortunately, the environmentalists and general whackos like to stand in the way of US progress, so they will have something to b***h about.

    There is a lot of energy out there, but always some excuse why we can’t move forward towards independence. We in the Southeast are doing our part to find the resources we need. It would be nice if some of the other states (CA) would start pulling their weight.

    • USWeapon says:

      Wasabi,

      Good points. The oil projects in other areas you mentioned are being done by US companies? It would always be nice if California did anything besides provide us with messed up celebrities and whacked out politicians

      • Can’t name the companies but they have all gone international. I just can’t understand why we are stuck in this energy problem. Nuclear power is safe. There is plenty of oil and gas if the enviros would let us use it.

  10. I would hate to see windfarms all over the desert (I can see a small windfarm looking out my window), as I think deserts are beautiful and have a value all their own. If I owned a large tract of the Mojave desert I wouldn’t build a wind farm on it no matter the profit. HOWEVER, since all land should be privately owned, each individual owner should be allowed to make that decision for himself. If a person wants a windfarm, even if others around don’t want to look at it, he should be able to build it. Some sort of dispute resolution might come into play if other property owners in the area feel their property has been devalued, but those things can be worked out.

    In a free society there would be no “public property” where this would ever become an issue.

    • USWeapon says:

      You are right Kent. But in a free society a lot of things would be different. Unfortunately we are nowhere near that dream.

  11. TexasChem says:

    With the technological and safety advancements in nuclear energy over the years it makes absolutely no sense not to move the nations electrical power dependency over to nuclear energy. Three mile island scare in 1979 and the release of the movie “The china syndrome” has pretty much squashed most American nuclear energy. An uneducated public in regards to nuclear energy keeps public opinion low on the issue.

    Nuclear power plants do not emit criteria pollutants or greenhouse gases when they generate electricity. Numerous studies demonstrate that nuclear energy’s life-cycle emissions are comparable to renewable forms of generation, such as wind and hydropower, and far less than those of coal- or natural gas-fired power plants.

    • Someone, I think on this blog, once said that we who invented nuclear energy turned it over to our lawyers and the rest of the world turned it over to the engineers.

      France has the most nuclear energy plants of any nation. They have never had a “Three Mile Island” type incident. Hint = The French nuclear generating plants are all of the same design and construction.

      Our own U.S. Navy operates the most nuclear reactors that I know of. And as far as I know there has never been any nuclear accidents on board any of the U.S. Navy’s nuclear powered ships.

      Recently, I read on the FNC website that there is a nuclear generator design that could power as many as fifty thousand homes and not be refueled for twenty years or more. As soon as that was made public, the “We’ll All Glow In The Dark” chicken littles began screaming their collective heads off – declaring that GWB was trying to blow up the entire USA.

      The certifiable nutcasses out there that call themselves environmentalists go absolutely bonkers when ever someone comes up with an idea to assist the Human Race in our endeavor to live better and more economically. I never have understood it, and I never will.

    • USWeapon says:

      Which is a shame Texas, because France is proving every day the benefits of switching to more nuclear power. I am not sure it is the answer to all our prayers, but we should be using it.

  12. Lets see….I have this beautiful home…I think vehicles parked out front are ugly and distracting to my landscape. So I want to park in front of the neighbors! Under Ms Feinstein thinking this is acceptable thinking! Wrong. The environmentalist in AR thought it was a wonderful idea to stock beavers all over the state. Little buggers have ruined our lakes, ponds, creeks and rivers. They have killed trees for 20′ from the lake shoreline, backed up creeks that now flood pasture land. I think most environmentalist are stupid city slickers that have no idea what goes on in the real world. I’d like to turn these stupid beavers loose in their swimming pools! There is a good reason there were no black bears, rattlesnakes, and beavers here! I honostly can not get over how ignorant some people tend to be. If Ms Feinstein doesn’t want electricity generated on her beautiful desert then fine…..let them do without. One way or the other things become important to you and doing without seems to change alot of peoples minds about things. If they don’t want to drill for oil in their neck of the woods….fine they should do without all oil from anywhere….made to walk or ride a bike. Land owned by the people should be controlled by the people….not some idiot politician in DC.

    • USWeapon says:

      Amazed,

      I had never heard about the beaver thing in Arkansas before. When did they introduce them and how quickly have they spread to the point of causing environmental chaos?

      • Not long I was seeing the damage at the lakes within 5 years and within another 5 the farmers were complaining. They were having to buy dynimite to unclog their ponds and creeks.

        • oops forgot part of the guestion….it was early 80’s I was seeing the damage before 86

  13. WillyHank says:

    My observations lead me to believe that Environmentalists are not interested in the environment. They are more properly descibed as anti-technologists. Environmentalists use environmental “issues” as an excuse to exert control over others, in order to further their agenda of limiting technological advancement. Of course, I may just be delusional.

    • Not delusional. Actually they are being used by our politicians to further their own money/power grab. It is all about greed, and these nutso’s do not realize that they are the ones being used here. The rest of us are just being abused.

    • USWeapon says:

      WillyHank,

      I believe this is the first time that I have seen your name posting on here. Welcome to the site and stick around. You are quite accurate on your points here. I imagine you will add much to the discussions.

  14. I consider myself an environmentalist. I don’t litter; I have no respect for those who do. If I know something would spoil my surroundings (pouring oil on the ground or down the drain) I don’t do it. No one needs to pass coercive “laws” to make me do what I know to be right. I was doing it long before it was enforced by “law”.

    Reasonable people don’t crap in their own nest. My issue with the “watermelons” (“green” on the outside; communist red on the inside) is that they think that the world’s worst despoiler and polluter, government, should be telling the rest of us how to protect the environment. That is insanity.

    It comes down to the tragedy of the commons. People take care of that which they own, and waste, destroy, or otherwise ruin that which is “publicly owned”. If it is your property, it is yours to use, or even destroy, however you see fit as long as you harm no one else in the process. Of course, that is the same as with anything else; owning and carrying firearms, using “drugs”, “gay marriage, ….whatever.

    Just the “2 cents” of a radical libertarian/anarchist there, for you to take for what it is worth.

    • USWeapon says:

      My issue with the “watermelons” (”green” on the outside; communist red on the inside) is that they think that the world’s worst despoiler and polluter, government, should be telling the rest of us how to protect the environment. That is insanity.

      It is quite ironic isn’t it? Biggest destroyer of natural land in the US and we seem to think they are the answer to environmental concerns?

  15. esomhillholler says:

    What chaps my behind is exactly what US wrote at the top of this article. Everyone wants this Country to go green, or find more sources of energy, as long as it’s not in their back yard or affects some obscure animal or plant life. Come on Ya’ll. You need to hear a loud sucking sound as your heads come out of your collective butts! Wind Energy means that the Wind Generators have to go somewhere. Nuclear Power Plants and Oil Wells have to go somewhere. Dams can only go on rivers and creeks. Use your head besides a place to hang your hats!

  16. Black Flag says:

    I’m reading lots of talk here of wind/solar/oil/coal/nuke/hydro in generating electrical power.

    I think it would be helpful for people to …
    How does the light turn on?

    Many people don’t realize that every volt of electricity produced must be used.

    There is no electrical ‘storage container’ that excess electricity goes into for future use.

    If the electricity isn’t used, power plants have to immediately stop producing electricity – because the energy has to go somewhere – and if its not ‘out there’, it comes right back into the power plant. If that happens too much or too fast, things will go “boom”.

    This is why when there is a sudden power outage in one area, triggers outages in others.

    If suddenly half a city loses it connection to a power plant, the power plant sudden gets a surge of that energy back to it. To save the power plant from destruction, the plant disconnects itself from the grid, causing outages to all areas connected to the plant.

    So, the guys who generate power are really sensitive to fluctuations in the power requirements of the grid.

    There is the ‘base load’ – that is, the average, constant consumption of electricity where I turn off I light at the same time you turn on a light – so this load is the average for the whole grid – then there is the variable load, that fluctuates as people turn on things and turn off things such as at night around dinner time – TV’s go on, ovens, microwave, computers, etc. and then late evening drops as everyone goes to bed.

    To keep the costs low, the base load is generated by turbines. Turbine engines are very efficient – which is why we use them to generate electricity and fly jets. However, turbines do not do well when they have to vary their RPM’s. That is why they aren’t in cars – stop and go traffic makes turbines incredibly inefficient as they rev up and rev down constantly. They also take a long time to get to max. power – where a car engine can get to max. power in seconds – turbines take minutes.

    So we use turbines for the base load for the efficiency and because that load is constant.

    We burn coal to heat water to steam to spin the turbines, or we use nuclear pile to heat the water to steam to spin the turbine.

    We use oil-fueled electric plants for the variable load – think of a electric generator off of a car engine. When the load goes up suddenly, they step on the gas, and when the load drops they step off the gas, just like driving a car. Now they use fuel oil, not gasoline – but the analogy is exact.

    So, think of waves on the ocean. There is the water below the waves that is always there, but the top of the waves, up and down, varies in height. So the turbines make up the most of the electrical capacity, and the oil-burning plants handle the up’s and down’s.

    So, imagine the chaos wind/solar electrical power generation causes on the grid.

    First, they are not stable – so they actually create a substantial variable production, exactly what devils the electrical guys. So, to manage the variable production, we’d need to double or triple the number of oil-fueled electrical plants to offset the variable production of wind/solar/waves, etc.

    Simply put, there is absolutely no place for solar/wind electrical generation on the grid. They are great for personal use, though, if you can afford it.

    Nuclear Energy

    There is no safety concern whatsoever. There are nuclear designs that are 100% fail-safe.

    We use the nuclear pile to create heat. So as the pile goes to critical, the amount of heat it produces goes up logarithmically, until it is so hot it will melt concrete and rock. That is not good.

    The fail-safe design is such that the reaction requires a catalyst. When the catalyst is cool, it is dense. This density slows down the neutrons, making them easier to be caught by the nucleus of the atom, which increases the chain-reactions, making it hotter. As it gets hotter, the catalyst starts to lose its density, allowing the neutrons to escape, and slows down the reaction, which then begins to cool.

    You can see this negative feed-back loop maintains the perfect heat/density. If the core goes critical, it evaporates the catalyst, and the neutrons go free, and the reaction stops. 100% safe.

    The USA has nuclear waste problem, unlike France, Germany, Japan and Russia, because Carter made it against the law to reprocess the nuclear waste.

    When then pile has used up 3% to 5% of its nuclear fuel, it loses its efficiency and needs to be replaced. So, 95% of the pile has still perfectly good fuel, and 5% made up of incredibly dirty byproducts – plutonium being one of them.

    Now with reprocessing we could reuse the plutonium as a fuel, as well as the unused stuff, but Carter was afraid that someone would make a bomb instead. So he ordered all the spent fuel buried.

    Here is the problem. Uranium is a weak radioactive substance – which means its half-life is measured in the 4.5 billion years. The ‘Dirty Daughters’ as they are known (Californium, Plutonium, etc.) are highly radioactive – deadly in fact – and have a half-life of about 10 years.

    But when you put these two together, you get the worse of both. Long lasting, highly radioactive waste. Millions of years of high radioactivity.

    Simple reprocessing like the rest of the world does would elevate the problem. The average amount of nuclear waste (with reprocessing) for a family of 4 for 25 years worth of electricity would fit in a small pill bottle.

    So, reversing the stupid policy on reprocessing would essentially end the waste problem.

    But there is even a bigger problem.

    There is not enough uranium in the world to actually make nuclear energy viable beyond a 100 years. Uranium is rare. And, it slowly disappears over time. In terms of joules, all the Uranium known in the world would only run humanity’s energy requirements for 50 years. “Peak Uranium” is expected to hit in 2035 – and this is at current consumption.

    Now, there are Thorium nuclear plants being designed. There is 1,000 times more Thorium and it can be processed into U-235…..but that means – that ugly word – reprocessing.

    So, coal is and shall remain the primary source of electrical energy – we have hundreds, if not thousands of years.

    And, we have hundreds years of oil too.

    Shale oil – A 2005 estimate set the total world resources of oil shale at 411 gigatons — enough to yield 2.8 to 3.3 trillion barrels (520 km3) of shale oil. This exceeds the world’s proven conventional oil reserves, estimated at 1.317 trillion barrels as of 1 January 2007.

    Oil sands – the Canadian and Venezuelan deposits contain about 3.6 trillion barrels, again 3 times the amount of global conventional oil.

    There is no worry of ‘running out of oil’ for the next 300 years.

    Conclusion:
    There is a reason we produce energy the way we do. It isn’t by accident.

    If it was easy to use solar or wind or whatever, believe me, the energy companies would be doing it.

    So, it is not easy. Forcing them to use alternatives by government writ will guarantee massive shortages as well as massive increase in costs.

    But that would be typical of government, right?

    If it can’t be done by freedom, beat it to death with a club.

    • BF,

      Since you seem fairly knowledgeable on electricity and its production methods, let me ask you this question – and no it is an honest question, not a trick one – Is it possible to use a series of Tesla Coils to increase the efficiency of electrical transmissions while reducing the base amount of generation?

      I remember reading something a very long time ago about Nikola Tesla inventing a type of coil that could take something as low as standard household current and increase it to something like ten times as much voltage, but he died before he could get the thing built. I also read that good old Uncle Sam, back in the year of my birth, confiscated literally all of his drawings and designs and they have never been seen again.

      Also, there are some CalTech and MIT brainiacs who are actually doing just that thing with a Tesla type coil. I think it was on the Science Channel a short time ago hosted by Dr. Michu Kaku. They haven’t figured out how to harness the 50,000 volts as yet, I think.

      You know me, I always think of something simpler to solve our little problems in life. To me this Tesla Coil thing seems like it would be just the thing to help out in our electricity production problems.

      I am seriously curious about this.

    • USWeapon says:

      We written thoughts BF. I will have more to add later but you have given me some food for thought.

    • Black Flag says:

      The average amount of nuclear waste (with reprocessing) for a family of 4 for 25 years worth of electricity would fit in a small pill bottle.

      I forgot to add that, as well, this pill bottle of nuclear waste will breakdown to non-radioactive iron and lead in about 10 years.

      With reprocessing, the nuclear circle is closed – ending up with small amounts of lead and iron, which of course (if there was enough of it) could be used in industry.

    • Black Flag says:

      G.A.

      Tesla coils are simply huge capacitors – they hold a charge, and then release the charge in a very short time.

      If there was a man, at the right point in history, to change the world – it is he.

      Every – and I do mean every – electrical device we use today is because of him.

      He invented the radio, TV, microwave oven, microwave communication, radio telescope, discovered alternating current, and made electricity in homes a reality.

      He invented a ‘death ray’ for the US military (we now called it a “particle beam accelerator”) and a way to transmit electrical energy to any point on earth from any point on earth.

      Tesla coils probably are not a transmission method – however, Tesla demonstrated transmission without wires.

      He took a light bulb, walked to the center of his yard, pushed the bulb into the dirt, and the bulb lit up….

      How he did that, we aren’t too sure, even today.

      One of my favorite and sad stories about him.

      Westinghouse was competing with Edison (General Electric) to provide electricity to New York. Edison was using direct current while Westinghouse was using Tesla’s design of alternating current. Edison played dirty, claiming alternating current would kill – so Tesla demonstrated its safety by passing 100,000 volts through himself and audience members (by ensuring the electrical path went ‘around’ the participants and not ‘through’ the participants. Westinghouse won the contract.

      He contracted Tesla to design the system – and viola! We have the first hyrdo-powered electric station at Niagara falls.

      The contract Westinghouse had with Tesla for $2 a horsepower for all the electric equipment Westinghouse sold as a royalty to Tesla – which amounted to over 1,000,000 hp. – which would have made Tesla the richest man in the world – in today’s dollars, that would be about $200 billion.

      But Westinghouse was in a proxy battle against Edison who was trying to buy up Westinghouse company (and then rip it apart). Westinghouse was about to lose his company, and he appealed to Tesla for financial help.

      Tesla gave back all the royalties Westinghouse had paid him – every penny – and released Westinghouse from further royalty payments.

      Westinghouse saved his company.

      Edison went on to live a wealthy man as the founder of GE.

      Westinghouse lived on as a wealthy man as the founder of Westinghouse.

      Tesla died in 1943, alone, it a seedy hotel room, complete destitute, and in his last years was derided by the government and his peers as a ‘kook’.

      • Would series capacitors, set to release in relay, hooked up into the grid provide an added boost? I asked this same question of a friend of mine who worked for Edison in CA, and all he did was give me a strange look and ask how I knew about those experiments. He still refuses to discuss the matter.

        In your earlier post you said that the generated electricity has to go somewhere or it returns to the generator and overloads it. What happens when it loses so much of its power over distance? There has to be some sort of a loop, doesn’t there? If we could extend the loop by adding more “juice” at times – even that stored by a capacitor – (and we could get that from the reduction coils of the transformers that step down the juice for our homes) it could be much more useful than letting it go to heat. Oh, wouldn’t Algor love that – preventing global warming by using up all the heat generated from all those nasty power lines all over the place 😉

      • Black Flag says:

        Would series capacitors, set to release in relay, hooked up into the grid provide an added boost?

        Energy is neither created nor destroyed.

        Every erg of energy into the coil has to be generated. There is no real difference between charging a capacitor with an erg of energy or transmitting it upon demand – its still an erg of energy.

        So, there probably is no value in charging a Tesla coil from energy from a power plant.

        Perhaps, though from alternative and unreliable sources. Perhaps, when the wind is blowing hard, the excess can charge a coil – and when the wind stops, discharge the coil.

        However, what I’ve witnessed of large coil capacitors, the discharge is rather – explosive.

        Maybe they are trying to tune the discharge to a manageable level.

        What happens when it loses so much of its power over distance?

        There is actually very little loss over distance with alternating current.

        There is huge loss in transmitting amps – there is very little loss in transmitting volts. Even less if you use multi-phase transmission (alternating current)

        So a transformer converts amps to volts (100,000 volts or higher) and can send it hundreds of miles. At the useful end, a transformer converts the volts to amps to use as energy.

        In your earlier post you said that the generated electricity has to go somewhere or it returns to the generator and overloads it.

        There has to be some sort of a loop, doesn’t there?

        Correct…and that is the problem.

        So, the generator is producing millions of watts of power to the city, as the city is consuming a million watts of power.

        A car smashes into a transformer, and that section of the city loses its connection to the grid and the station.

        Suddenly the city is only drawing 500,000 watts – but the turbine is still humming along producing a million. That extra 1/2 million watts is going somewhere, and fast.

        The rest of the transformers that are still working now get hit with twice their load power… and to save themselves, their circuit breaker pops.

        Now another part of the city goes out… a million watts now are being generated and only 250,000 consumed….

        Eventually, all the transformer circuit breakers pop – and a million watts are charging into the grid…with only one way to go…right back into the power plant…because as you surmised, its all looped back.

        The effect of the reflection will attempt to spin the generator, and the attached turbines backwards…right now.

        You have a turbine spinning clockwise at 100,000 rpm, and suddenly the electricity coming back wants to spin it 100,000 rpm counter-clockwise.

        The result of this is know as a catastrophic explosion.

        To prevent that, the power plant disconnects from the grid, and freewheels the turbines.

        However, these turbines need a load – just like gunning a car engine in neutral, she’s going to fly apart. So they have to vent the steam into the air, and start shutting down the boilers, and try to spin down hundreds of tonnes of turbine and generators before she cracks up.

        But the boilers are super-hot. They expand due to heat to nearly 3 times the volume, and need to be cooled slowly so not to shatter like a hot glass bottle tossed into ice water.

        The whole plant starts shutting down – and it takes days of careful start-up, slowly coming back on line, heating the boilers, carefully spinning up the turbines and introducing the energy slowly back into the grid, while the oil fuel plants – who took over the grid supply of this power plant – slowly spin down their load.

        I know there is a lot of work trying to figure out some sort of ‘store’ of electricity – perhaps the coils might work with some gizmo invention that can slowly drain the capacitor.

        But usually capacitors are made to discharge nearly instantly…so I really don’t know what they might be doing.

        Other methods would use electricity to crack water back into Oxygen and Hydrogen, and then burn the Hydrogen when more power is needed. Cracking water is very inefficient, but since the electricity is the excess, it would be essentially free, it wouldn’t much matter.

        The problem with that is – you can’t store hydrogen easily. It is nasty stuff. It is the most combatant element in the universe – that is, it wants to combine with about everything to make molecules.

        So it dissolves all holding containers.

        It takes up a huge volume as a gas (which is why it floats in air), so we need to liquefy it – at a huge energy cost – to near absolute zero to reduce its volume of storage. And liquid hydrogen is even harder to store – it has nearly infinite viscosity – it will actually flow out of the a bottle climbing the inside walls – and flowing down toward the center of the earth (if it could).

        So hydrogen fuel cell is simply a chemical that bonds to hydrogen easily so we can store it and easily break the bond without too much energy so that hydrogen then can bond with oxygen for a powerful chemical energy reaction.

        BUT that is inefficient as well, and we still have the volume problem – it takes up a very large space.

        If it was easy, we’d have done it long ago.

        It ain’t easy 😉

        • SFC Dick says:

          OH NO YOU D’INT!
          Black Flag…..volts are then converted into AMPS! I smile large. The achieles heel,

          BTW, the Edison V Tesla battle also gave us the electric chair as edison was making argument about how safe DC V AC.

          I shall smile the day out.

          • OH NO! the hits keep coming.
            Sir, you have to understand the enjoyment I take now. It, as you well know, is not to imply you are an idiot, but as one well knows; there is no greater joy taken by the lesser than when the greater might stumble…exhibit B
            “But usually capacitors are made to discharge nearly instantly…so I really don’t know what they might be doing”

            yes, when no regulated discharge takes place a capacitor, presented no resistance in either load (competing power) or inactive device (common resistor/open) will discharge quickly. A great thing when discovered by budding technicians in 6th grade.

            common “gasoline” will “explode” when ignited, so where is the utility in gas other than starting bonfires or cacthing said host on fire at Freedom ridge? It comes in the controlled ignition, detonation.
            I had a watch, bunch of moving parts, very expensive, very big ( big watch, small…you get the idea). This watch was mechanical/automatic/quartz, it had this thing that moved across another thing and stuf happened and parts moved and…any way, one of the primary “thingys” in the whole system was the ability to produce (inductance) a charge by means of movement but also to hold a certain reserve ( capacitance) so that the whole thing would continue to tell time. After the 3d time at the shop I found , online, that the system was flawed, had much problem and was being replaced by one more reliable( especdially since we big watch types are rough dude on our stuff). The problem thingy was identified as a capacitor that would drain (discharge) too quickly. Wow, I know I misspoke enough in there to give ample room for poke, but, wink wink, I’m happy none the less.

    • YOU SIR ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!

      You actually know what you are talking about and therefore are:

      1. Putting people to sleep

      2. Making people who forgot all their High School Science very nervous.

      This second item is very bad. people do not like being reminded that they forgot all that stuff. I find discussing science with anyone to be difficult at best. It does require that you think and remember a bit. It also requires that you accept evidence which may run contrary to what you “believe or feel”.

      The whole nuclear power question is so frustrating. At 62, I have a standing bet with my 32 yr. old son and my friend (a GE engineer) that no new nuke plant will be built in my lifetime. I hope I am wrong but fear I’m not.

  17. Disgusted in Cali says:

    This crap with saving the blue footed tree turtle or whatever creature is holding up the expansion of oil fileds, wind farms and solar plants is pure stupid! My son went to an elementary school her in Cali where a couple of years ago a ground owl burrowed into a planter in the parking lot and the school had to put up a chain link fence 10′ around it so as not to disturb it. Stupidity at its finest! I think if it could adjust to the parking lot and burrow there anyway, seems to me the rest of the creatures will get over it and adjust to survive.

    And Cali does have several rather large oil fields and a butt load of windmills, doesn’t make Feinsteins position right…just thought you’d all like to know.

  18. Black Flag says:

    SFC Dick

    but as one well knows; there is no greater joy taken by the lesser than when the greater might stumble…

    LoL 🙂

    Take your shots when you can, sir….

    “But usually capacitors are made to discharge nearly instantly…so I really don’t know what they might be doing”

    yes, when no regulated discharge takes place a capacitor, presented no resistance in either load (competing power) or inactive device (common resistor/open) will discharge quickly.

    I’m keeping it simple, but my playing was with capacitors to power high-energy lasers … perhaps I’m jaded ….

    A great thing when discovered by budding technicians in 6th grade.

    Well, there’s the problem. I never went to 6th grade.

    “explode” when ignited, so where is the utility in gas other than starting bonfires or cacthing said host on fire at Freedom ridge? It comes in the controlled ignition, detonation.

    Explosion as in “big pieces of concrete and steel disintegrating rapidly in an out of control manner”.

    • Not quite sure how to take this . . . BF didn’t make it to the 6th grade? 😉

      • Dude, Black Flag was “raised” by aliens, I was raised by wolves, Black Flag has had an alien life force implant a thousand years of knowledge from our future of vastly superior societies implanted into his brain. He, the messanger, is among us now to guide us, we , the lizard brain stems, do not realize his wisdom, well some of us do.

    • Black Flag says:

      😉

      No, I didn’t take 6th grade, nor a couple or few other grades, either.

  19. Hi All,

    I just found this blog over the weekend and this post really hits close to home (as do many others)!! I’ve lived in CA all of my life, even going through their indoctrination (public schools) and surviving as someone who could still think for themselves.

    It’s amazing, when you think that Diane couldn’t be more two faced she suddenly opens her mouth and out comes more BS. I remember the “desert fly” and “kangaroo rat” stink…my dad was almost out of work because of the rat so believe me, I have had my fill with environmentalists first hand!! I’m sure that Diane has never seen first hand where the solar and wind projects are planned – God forbid her $1,000 pumps ever set foot in dirt, sand, etc. All she knows is what her “green goonies” tell her and that is taken as gospel.

    The one thing I would like to part with is that not all Californians are “fruits & nuts”…it’s definitely not fair to those of us trying to let reason prevail 🙂 Anyhoo, thanks for putting this out on the table.

  20. CA Mama thank you. I am so tired of everybody bashing Californians. I am born and bred CA and I attended the same high school that parents and grandparents on both sides attended. Only the bay area and the LA area are extremely liberal. They are mostly 1st generation CA and have come here and taken over. The rest of the state is primarily populated with very traditional, hard-working folks. The farm industries in these communities feed the entire nation. If you look at voting records, the entire valley as well as Orange county and San Diego lean conservative. Perhaps, with our new redistricting laws, we will be better represented. There are a lot of dismayed, fed up people here. There are many of us that mourn the CA that we grew up with and loved. Remember Pete Wilson? We are working hard to get the word out to make people see that we are bankrupt and all the grand ideals in the world won’t fix that.

  21. I’d like to know the educational history of the author of this article. I have studied the environment, resource management, restoration ecology, environmental assessment and many other related topics at University, College and throughout my professional career. I have to say that I am so surprised that everything I’ve ever learned seems to be a big lie! Wow, so glad you could clear it up for me. Now that the sarcasm is out of the way… I am all for open discussion on ANWR but please, keep your uneducated opinions to yourself. The most blatant ignorant piece of information I found in this article was where you mentioned that drilling in ANWR would be on the coast and not the mountains so that its “okay”. We’ll if you knew anything about the issues you’d realize that is the problem. The breeding grounds for many arctic animals is the coast, not the mountains. I don’t feel I need to pick apart any other (all of them) of your irrelevant, uneducated and just plain wrong arguments as anyone with half a brain or a a grade 8 science background can see the faults in them. I just hope you’re in no position of power. I do love how your right-wing christian beliefs are painted throughout this article however as you mention humans as the dominate, outranking species on the planet. While I don’t believe in God, I sure hope “she” has mercy on all our souls because with ideals and idiots like this we are all doomed to the depths of hell.

  22. Wow, Brian, you got issues!

    Sarcasm aside, I think that you have to slow down a bit. I take it you are a new guy here who just stumbled over the site. We try to keep the ad hominum stuff to a minimum. Despite your educational background, perhaps there is some common ground we could find. The size of the drilling area for example. Everything I have read for example, indicates a small footprint. Now, if you want no footprint, that’s a different matter entirely, because then you are just opposed.

    Last time I looked, humans were the dominant ranking species on the planet.

    Based on your initial rant, please do us all a favor and don’t comment on any other issue you might find here where you do not have a University degree in the subject. Based on your own criteria, you would be unqualified to comment.

  23. Will Overman says:

    This article is absolutely ridiculous. I went to ANWR this summer and saw for myself that the oil rigs are not confined and placed in an organized fashion. The oil rigs are placed in a totally pish posh manner and spread over far more than 2000 acres already. And the National Petroleum Reserve is right next to ANWR and has much more land than ANWR, why not drill there? And although the greedy oil companies, i.e. Halliburton, who say that they are not going to drill in the mountains. The tundra which you speak of is still pristine landscape and vitally important to thousands of different types of animals. This article is completely full of ignorance. Don’t speak until you’ve seen it first hand.

    • I have seen it firsthand. Don’t speak unless you know what you are talking about. Typical…. assumptions made. You show your ignorance by merely posting what you did.

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