HR 1388 – The Beginning of the Brown Shirt Brigades?

obama-ss-flagMany of you may remember my initial rant against O’prompter and Emanuel’s proposed Mandatory Civilian National Defense Force. I wrote about it way back in November, here (you can click it if you want, it should open a new window, not leave this one). I kind of left the subject alone for a while because it didn’t seem like there was anything going on with it. But I got a call last week from Revolution who told me to go and check out HR 1388. So I did, and what do I find? It isn’t being left alone at all! On March 18, the House of Representatives passed by a vote of 321-105 (a bi-partisan vote) HR1388– The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (The GIVE Act). And somehow this isn’t making big news the way it should. 

So let’s talk a bit about the GIVE Act shall we? What exactly does this legislation say and do? I will admit that I am getting a lot of information from a lot of different sources for this article. I will attempt to cite them all at the end so that I am being fair to others who have done research as well. Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) has sponsored the bill. I have tried to read through the 600+ pages of this act to attempt to determine what its purpose is. It is as difficult to decipher as any bill that I have ever read, which I think is on purpose so that people won’t understand it.

obama-msnbc-vLet me start with something easy. The bill includes several changes to the wording in US Code (which makes up all of our laws) in order to make the language a little more nicer sounding.  Because of this, you’re not really sure of what it’s doing unless you flip back and forth between the text of H.R. 1388 and the various USC sections, which are equally as dense. They do things like changing camps to campuses, some examples:

(C) in paragraph (3)–
(i) by striking ‘superintendent’ and inserting ‘campus director’; and
(ii) by striking ‘camp’ and inserting ‘campus’; and

(ii) by striking ‘in camps’ and inserting ‘in campuses’;
(iii) by striking ‘camp’ and inserting ‘campus’; and
(iv) by striking ‘in the camps’ and inserting ‘in the campuses’;

(ii) by striking ‘A camp may be located’ and inserting ‘A campus must be cost-effective and may, upon the completion of a feasibility study, be located’;

‘(e) Distribution of Units and Campuses- ’;
(B) by striking ‘camps are distributed’ and inserting ‘campuses are cost-effective and are distributed’; and
(C) by striking ‘rural areas’ and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting ‘rural areas such that each Corps unit in a region can be easily deployed for disaster and emergency response to such region.’(I read this as they want their ‘Camps’ distributed in ‘rural’ country…away from population centers)


Section 158 (42 U.S.C. 12618) is amended–

(1) in subsection (a) by inserting ‘National’ before ‘Civilian Community Corps’; and
(2) in subsection (c)–
(A) in the matter preceding paragraph (1)–
(i) by inserting ‘National’ before ‘Civilian Community Corps’; and
(ii) by inserting before the colon the following: ‘, as the Director determines appropriate’;
(B) in paragraph (6), by striking ‘Clothing’ and inserting ‘Uniforms’; and
(C) in paragraph (7), by striking ‘Recreational services and supplies’ and inserting ‘Supplies’. (I read this section as the elimination of local or state volunteerism being eligible for benefits. Only National, as in determined by the new Socialist Party, counts)

obama-brownshirtSo the language changes to United States Code appear to try to make it sound less like the Hitler Youth and more like a fun trip to school. But the language changing clothing to uniforms makes me a little nervous. And the fact that the federal government wants to control it all, taking “volunteerism” away from state and local levels is even more troubling.

Now one of the big parts of this deal that I am not going to cover is that the participation in the volunteer programs make the volunteers eligible for government grants, including education assistance. The list of benefits for participation is fairly extensive, too extensive to list here. So let’s take a look at some of the eligibility parts of what HR 1388 does for us. Who is NOT eligible to “volunteer” and thus receive government loot? 


(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:
(1) Attempting to influence legislation.
(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.
(3) Assisting, promoting, or deterring union organizing.
(4) Impairing existing contracts for services or collective bargaining agreements.
(5) Engaging in partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to any public office.
(6) Participating in, or endorsing, events or activities that are likely to include advocacy for or against political parties, political platforms, political candidates, proposed legislation, or elected officials.
(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.

So anyone volunteering cannot be involved in politics, unions, or religion? Let us keep in mind while it sounds like they can’t be involved in partisan political activities, they will be doing work assigned by the government, which is inherently partisan. So in effect, the people volunteering are doing the will of the government and are not permitted to be free to make their own choices and get involved in what they believe in on their own time. This is indoctrination, pure and simple. 

And are these people really volunteers or are they “volunteers”? Eligible groups must demonstrate that the organization in question meet this requirement as well:

(A) not less than 90 percent of the students participate in service-learning activities as part of the program; or

(B) service-learning is a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.

So let me get this straight: In order for organizations to be eligible to receive the funds from the federal government, they must make “service-learning” a mandatory part of the curriculum?

obama-youth-michelle-quoteLet us remember two things. First: As I reported in the November post, O’prompter has mentioned a “mandatory volunteer force” in the past, even talking about it on his websites until it was removed after his political advisors scrubbed its mention. Second: In 1924, Germany started the Greater German Youth Movement. Sounds innocent enough, right? In 1926, it was renamed the Hitler Youth League of German Worker Youth, which was shortened to just Hitler Youth. By 1930, it had over 25,000 members and its ranks swelled as former boy scouts were directed into the Hitler Youth where they were given… uniforms. Uniforms like those of the German Stürmabteilung (SA), a.k.a. the “Brownshirts”. As the Hitler Youth matured, many went into the SA, and the SA’s successor, the SS. 

Looking at recent events, we see Obama’s political “footsoldiers” — ACORN — doing many things to help Obama and his allies gain and retain power: voter fraud, bullying banks, “helping” in the upcoming census, and most recently, chartering busses to deposit angry protestors on the doorstep of AIG executives. To intimidate them. Unsurprisingly, Obama’s first judicial appointment, David Hamilton, who is being nominated to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, is a former ACORN fundraiser.

Of course, anyone who supports this Bill is going to tell you “It’s just about supporting volunteer organizations that already exist!” and will heatedly insist that there’s “Nothing Mandatory” about any of it. And in the strictest sense, that is a true statement. But there most assuredly are requirements attached to being a recipient of ‘Grants’:

‘(a) Required National Service Corps- The recipient of a grant under section 121(a) and each Federal agency operating or supporting a national service program under section 121(b) shall, directly or through grants or subgrants to other entities, carry out or support the following national service corps, as full- or part-time corps, including during the summer months, to address unmet educational, health, veteran, or environmental needs:

Again, nothing “Mandatory” in the strictest possible sense – as long as you (or your respective education departments or school districts) don’t take any Grant-money. But before I let this one die away, I direct you to the bottom of the bill. The most troubling parts of this are, as such things tend to be, way at the bottom:

TITLE VI–CONGRESSIONAL COMMISSION ON CIVIC SERVICE (just certain parts copied here, as they are the important parts)

There is established in the legislative branch a commission to be known as the ‘Congressional Commission on Civic Service’ (in this title referred to as the ‘Commission’).

SEC. 6104. DUTIES.
(a) General Purpose- The purpose of the Commission is to gather and analyze information in order to make recommendations to Congress to–

(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:


(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders. 

(8) The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for elementary and secondary school students, through service learning or other means, and by raising awareness of existing incentives.

(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.

(11) The constraints that service providers, nonprofit organizations, and State and local agencies face in utilizing federally funded volunteer programs, and how these constraints can be overcome. (I imagine that ‘Mandatory’ would ‘overcome’)

(12) Whether current Federal volunteer programs are suited to address the special skills and needs of senior volunteers, and if not, how these programs can be improved such that the Federal Government can effectively promote service among the ‘baby boomer’ generation.

So, the current bill does not have the language to make this service mandatory, at least not yet. But there is a commission being formed as to how best to make it so. If the intention is to create a mandatory civilian force, the groundwork is being laid. According to the Commission’s “Specific Topics”, mandatory seems as though it is exactly the intention.

Now, how many of you even knew about HR 1388? It seems like an awful big thing to be flying under the radar, doesn’t it? It has already been passed by the House and is being fast-tracked in the Senate. And the bipartisan vote in the House doesn’t bode well for it losing there. But that bipartisan vote sure does speak to the fact that both parties seem to be OK with controlling us one way or another. So now that we are all aware, what do we do to stop it? Because I don’t want my son, who is a teenager now, serving in Obama’s Brown Shirt Brigade.

Writing this was fun, at least inserting the pictures was fun. I love the Michelle quote on the Obama youth picture. I do want to be clear here: You all know me as a pretty fair minded guy (at least I think you do). It may not be fair to compare this to the Hitler youth. I will grant that there is at least a chance that the President is pushing this legislation as a way to foster a sense of pride in our country again, which is severely lacking these days. I don’t have a problem with a true volunteer service. After all if this were that then it isn’t much different than joining the military. But the idea of a mandatory service, especially one that serves the socialist agenda of the Pelosi’s and Reid’s of today, is truly frightening. Consider this article food for thought. I am open to discussion on the subject as always. Is this a good thing or a bad thing. Am I overreacting?


  1. USW,

    I have posted several videos on this very subject on my website in recent days. Since my site is relatively new and I do not have as much of a readership as you do, I thank you for bringing this up on a very informative post. I hope you re-post this article often as the word on this atrocity needs to get out to as many people as possible.

    There is one video of some middle school boys doing a military style performance while espousing as their inspirational leader.

    HR1388 is just the beginning. You need to look up HR1444 as it is designed to put the icing on the cake, so to speak.

    Again, thank you for such an excellent article.

    • I know, its late. That line should read;

      There is one video of some middle school boys doing a military style performance while espousing Obama as their inspirational leader.

    • USWeapon says:


      Thanks for the reference to HR 1444. I will check it out when I have a chance. I am sorry I have not had the time to jump over to your blog the last couple of days. I have been taking a bit of a break from a lot of stuff, I just finished a degree and have more free time on my hands. I have used it to veg out in front of the TV a bit, lol.

  2. Model 1911 says:

    I think this is a case of history repeating itself. You had the Hitler Youth movement, then the Chinese had their cultural revolution. So to me it’s not surprising that the “Messiah” would have such a “following”. The thing to remember is that the American people tend to have pretty limited attention spans over fads. Especially when the leader of the fad starts hitting their wallets. Americans tend to be slow to anger but fight like berserkers when aroused. Just as the Germans, or the Japanese, or those Peace loving Islamic militants hiding in caves, those who haven’t had a close encounter with some good old fashioned American firepower. When Obama’s cluelessness becomes apparent to the morons who drank the Kool Aid and find out that all those promises were smoke and mirrors. It’s not going to be pretty.

    • USWeapon says:

      The America people do have a short attention span. I think that is why the Democrats are moving at warp speed to get legislation passed during the fad. They are well aware this belief in O’prompter will wane and eventually die, so they are trying to capitalize quickly by putting laws in place that last longer than his popularity.

  3. navymom says:

    OMG! Thanks for posting this.How scary is that? I feel like I’m on a runaway train!

    • USWeapon says:


      Don’t we all. These are scary times, but we have been through scary times before. We just have to start waking people up to the evil’s of what government is doing to us, from both sides of the aisle. The Republicans just don’t have the ability to pass their versions.

      • Nancy O'Hara says:

        What makes you think the Republicans have a different version? From what I’ve seen, they are traveling the same road — just in a different bus.

  4. US Weapon,

    Frightening. No, I do not think you are overreacting. With Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid in power, I have come to expect the worse (but I do so hope for better). At a minimum, I do believe that there is alot of erosion that is occurring — these three characters just keep chipping away. Sometimes I think they use a hammer and sickle (oops, meant chisel); other times, I think they use a high-powered jackhammer.

    From a news standpoint, I’ve heard a snippet here and there about this program. My husband and I talked about it briefly (with suspicion).

    Thank you for another insightful article and all of the research that you do! I greatly respect your opinions and the opinions of others that post here. I am very thankful that I clicked the link that brought me here!

    • What is destroying this country is the political discourse in the sewer to the left and the right.

      • What is great about this country is that I am free to have and speak to my own opinion! What is great about this country is that you are free to have and speak your own opinion! I certainly don’t have to agree with you, nor must you agree with me!

        Obama, Pelosi and Reid are sitting on the lead turd floating in that sewer that you reference and that turd is so big, such a big ball of $hit that it is stopping up the pipes. It is the political discourse that’s calling to the plumber right now to unplug it before the toilet runneth over…

      • esomhillgazette says:

        Mark, I don’t exactly understand what you meant. Please clarify.

    • I do not think that Obama is smart enough to figure all of this stuff out. Who is running the show? I feel he is just the star attraction and others are running the show in every aspect of his Presidency… help me out folks.. someone is pulling the strings on this puppet and trying to destroy our nation.

      • esomhillgazette says:

        Obama IS running the show. But he is indeed taking advice from like minded people like Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and other liberal idiots who have far less brains than he does!

      • Remember who this guy has surrounded himself with all his life: anti-Americans, terrorists, racists. Many on this blog often reference their upbringing and how their parents have influenced them in their beliefs, ethics, motives. Imagine, if your early mentors were instead Marhsall Davis, a Communist; if you spent several years in an Islamic school (yeah, I know, the religion of peace), if your path through schooling was funded by ??? with ??? motives; if you followed Alinsky’s methods for community organizing; if you rose through the Chicago corrupt political machine. This guy’s resume is so far removed from what most of us have lived that it is still hard to believe he would take us down these dangerous roads. The speed that these programs are being rolled out means he’s been working (along with those that hold the strings)for all his life on how to change things. We are just years behind in organizing against it……

      • USWeapon says:


        I think he is smarter than people think, but I agree he isn’t smart enough to have done all this. I would lean towards Rahm Emanuel having far more power than people think he does, especially given how out of the public eye he has all of the sudden become. But overall, someone with far more power than the President is directing the move towards socialism in this country. It is way to far reaching and organized to have been done by the 545 idiots that are in Washington.

      • Nancy O'Hara says:

        It doesn’t matter who is behind the curtain. None of it works without a populace that is willing to embrace the pretty picture the star actor paints about how sweet our life can be. Remember, fascism doesn’t come in on a machine gun — it comes in with a smile and welcoming embrace…

  5. This is feeling like the Twilight Zone, Obama Land gets more bizarre each day.

    The coming economic collapse may be a better thing than we realize…the government won’t be able to afford any of these programs. Hopefully, it won’t be able to afford “itself” and implode. Probably be a blessing in disguise.

    I have to say, I’m proud of the young folks in my family, ages 22-29. They are all Obama haters, they know exactly what he is about. That gives me hope for the future.

    • Yes, great Christian values to have, haters. Do you ever wonder how the conservative Christians came to hate Jews so much in pre-Nazi Germany.

      • I did not speak of being a Christian, I was speaking from the view point of being an AMERICAN. A FREEDOM loving AMERICAN = Obama Hater.

        The word “Christian” is not in my post. Interesting that you automatically associate my values as such.

        • I associate the current debate in American with a “Christian” nation.

          • That’s right!

            A nation where we are ALLOWED to have that debate. For now.

          • USWeapon says:

            I on the other hand, associate the current debate in America with a nation that is based on the fundamentals of the Constitution, Mark. What if I told you I wasn’t a christian? How would that sit with your associated view of the debate in America? Folks like you love to bash the christian viewpoint because you don’t agree with it, forgetting that the majority in America are christians.

            This debate, at least on this blog, which I would expect you to know as a one time hit and run poster, has become more about personal freedom and individual rights than anything else. But then again, I don’t imagine that you are interested in that debate.

            • Nancy O'Hara says:

              I don’t think the debate is even relevant to whether one is Christian. I believe sovereignty and morality are the province of the individual, whatever his religious belief, because man is a spiritual, as well as physical, being; and America was founded on the principle of that sovereignty.

      • Mark,

        From the looks of your photo, I would say that you are not old enough to know anything about “Pre-NAZI Germany” let alone anything else.

        Christians, from my experiences, are now a peaceful and tolerant group of folks. Yes, as with all religions, there have been and will be some who abuse their position of responsibility for whatever personal gain they desire. Jim Jones was one, and David Koresh another. In other walks of life we have seen more recently Bill Clinton abusing his power as President to get to Monika Lewinsky. So we now see Obama doing what? Using the power of the Presidency for what personal gain? An agenda of a direct path to Socialism/Communism with him sitting in the drivers seat forever – and that kind of power is exactly what every dictator in history has always wanted, regardless of their religious background. So your hatred of Christians is unfounded, but more than likely rooted in a deep fear of being caught for whatever perceived “sin” that you think you are guilty of. We who inhabit this blog understand that and do not hate you. Please stick around and maybe you will actually become more intelligent by way of proxy. It is never too late to learn.

        • USWeapon says:


          Yes, as I recall every college student is a liberal until the day they get a job and realize they are the ones who have to pay for all the programs they protested for. Everyone agrees with the moves of the state toward socialism until they realize that their children will not have the same freedoms that they enjoyed as a child.

      • Nancy O'Hara says:

        A simple reading of history will answer that question for you. After the fall of the Weimar Republic, Germans were in a state of total fear and desperation. A little man with huge ambitions named Adolf Hitler told them he had the solution to all their problems: If they just did away with all those evil Jews who had made something of their lives and earned a lot of money, the other Germans wouldn’t have any more difficulties. It didn’t seem to matter that he included all of Europe in his ambitions, and even the whole world if he had lived long enough. They followed and adored him anyway throughout his maniacal rampage through humanity. I only pray that Americans aren’t gullible enough to let the showmanship of our esteemed leader lead us to the same fascistic nightmare — but I’m very afraid that we are headed in exactly the same direction.

    • Nancy O'Hara says:

      You don’t have to hate Obama to hate where he’s taking us. Let’s just concentrate on the specter of the destination.

  6. “Ideologist believe that the world is in a parlous state, find reasons for the current crisis, and promise to find a way out. They direct the attention of the people to a group that is to blame for the world’s ruin, and to another group that will put things right. Crucial is the conviction that some groups will never be able to understand the ideology, because that have been infected by a “false consciousness”. The ideology is often a closed system that cannot afford to take alternative views seriously. Marxist who see capitalism as the source of the world’s ills, cannot understand the values of capitalism, and vice versa. Colonist are impervious to the truths of emerging nationalisms. Zionist and Arabs are unable to appreciate one another’s pint of view. Conservatives believe they have the “truth” and that liberals are out to destroy the country. Liberals that do not understand the value of religion in society. All ideologies imagine an unrealistic and, some would say, unrealizable utopia. They are by their very nature highly selective.”

    • Mark,

      You have your comment in quotes. Are you quoting someone, something? If so, who/what?


    • Nancy O'Hara says:

      I have one question for you, Mark: What is your ideology? Don’t tell me you don’t have one, for without it you are nothing. Everyone has an ideology. It’s what he believes in and how he orders his life. I think many Americans are now working to detail and expose the ideology THEY believe in, so we can have some way to control the actions of our so-called representatives.

  7. An interesting quote from Martin Marty, an ordained minister in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and Professor at The University of Chicago Divinity School.

    “I think two things are going on. On one level, around the world people are having trouble with their identity, their belief — whom do I trust, who trusts me? And so a phrase we used in The Fundamentalism Project, around the world, there is a massive, convulsive ingathering of peoples into their separatenesses and over-againstnesses, to protect their pride and power and place from others who are doing the same thing. Now, look at American life. We don’t do it the way they do it in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. We don’t veil women or anything like that, but we’re clustering more tightly. ‘We’re the virtuous, and they’re the vicious. We’re the good, they’re the evil.”

    • Minister Marty should go over to the Middle East and live there for awhile. Maybe after seeing a few beheadings and stonings to the death in the town square (a women that accepted a car ride from a male she wasn’t related to), maybe he would have a whole other idea of what “evil” is.

      ‘We’re the virtuous, and they’re the vicious. We’re the good, they’re the evil.” YEP, that’s right!

  8. The following explains much about this world. I explains radical Islam. Does it explain the current state of politics in the US?

    “To hold onto any particular view is to freeze reality, to try to encapsulate the world into thought. To take a view is like taking a snapshot. Once we hold a view, it’s not long before our view will buck up against other views. After that, the people holding the various views will file off into separate camps. And then we start to go after each other.”

    • esomhillgazette says:

      Mark, I don’t understand what you. Ideology? What point exactly are you trying to get across with all the quotes? I am just trying to understand you but I know I don’t like you calling someone a “hater” for expressing their opinions. Is that what you are doing? Did you by any chance vote for Obama? Are you a Liberal? You have so far succeeded in totally confusing me as to what you think.

      • ESOM,

        Marks ramblings remind me of some of those who follow a certain type of cult leader. I think this guy has been a member of a cult for some time now. None of what he say makes any sense at all, only to those who have had the same kind of indoctrination that he has. I just wonder what cult he is in, cause they sound not too stable to me.

    • Calf Roper says:


      Are you saying that no single person in the world should hold a moral view of what is right and wrong? Are you saying that there is no such thing as right and wrong? If so, what if someone kills your son, your daughter, your wife, your father, your mother, etc.? By the killer’s viewpoint he wasn’t morally wrong, because there is no right and wrong, correct?

      I’m just trying to understand what you have been attempting to say, because this is the way it is coming across – intended or not.

      • esomhillgazette says:

        I too am trying to get a sense of just what he is saying Roper so I can give an intelligent answer to him. I wish he would answer us. So far he is rambling.

        • You know Esom, I’m still waiting to hear back from Mark as to whom/what he is quoting.

          He does mention in one of his posted “quotes”, Martin Marty, an ordained minister and Professor at The University of Chicago Divinity School.

          Makes me wonder if the other “quotes” that he posted were the rabid ramblings of another professor in Chicagoland by the name of William Ayers.

          • esomhillgazette says:

            Karyn, I don’t think he wants to answer us. From what I have so far gathered, he sounds like a liberal. You know that those folks don’t last very long on US’s site. There’s way too much logic and morality and higher brain functioning on here than liberals can stand without resorting to name calling. Look how fast he resorted to calling us “sewer dwellers” and “haters”. Well, I’m going to call him the dirtiest name back I can think of: Mark, you’re a LIBERAL!

            • Esom…

              Thank you…I was trying so hard to be a lady! LOL! It was hard…I almost went there…ty ty ty!

  9. There is so way in hell that my kids are signing up for this Hitler Youth indoctrination program. Ever. I will take them out of the country first. Most people are so clueless about this legislation; the Obama adminsitration spins it to sound noble, when in fact it’s intentions are anything but.

    • Madmom,

      I too had that same thought myself!

      Hmmm…guess we’ll become “brainwashing-dodgers”. The question I have is where in the heck can we go where we can raise our children how we see fit????? Help me here Madmom…where would you go? Is there anywhere left on this planet that espouses what America is supposed to be based upon our Constitution?

      • That’s a tough one Karyn. We are building a home in the British Virgin Islands, which is a VERY tax friendly place, so that is most likely where we would go. From what I’ve read New Zealand is one of the few places on the planet that is actually business friendly and looking for immigrants, as they have more jobs than people. Long ways away, but I’ve heard nothing but good things about the place. But I will do anything to keep Obama’s sinister fingers off of my kids.

    • USWeapon says:

      I think we are all feeling that way a bit MadMom. I am certainly worried that this country is going to be unrecognizable in the future and I will be forced to attempt to find a new home where the freedoms I am entitled to are not trampled on.

    • Madmom,
      I hope that US Weapon is incorrect about this bill and it doesn’t turn into what most of us fear. However seeing the way that this is going getting out of the country after this takes a turn for the worst might be more difficult than it seems. All it would take is another “innocent” bill and then the borders shut to citizens trying to leave. Maybe not everyone at first but under the guise of something like the patriot act it can be done with the intent of “national security” with out any real reason.

  10. England has a Civilian National Defense Force that is charged with reporting over filled rubbish bins,poor recycling practices,abandoned vehicles,untidy lawns,dog droppings,and other nefarious crimes against humanity.In other words,they simply run around and spy on their neighbors,just as a lot of people do now,only they’re organized and in uniform.

    • Hi Ron,

      Do you live in England? Just curious…from your post, it sounds as if you see this first-hand. If you do live in England, I would enjoy hearing further on your first-hand observations of the Civilian National Defense Force.


      • Karyn,No to living in England.I read The London Times and the London Telegraph every morning on the Web.There have been many editorials on this subject and also on CCTV in England.Loss of privacy there is a real concern.Everyone should be aware of what’s happening there as these things will be coming to a city near you.

        • Thanks Ron…was hoping for the first-hand perspective.

          Yes, we should all be aware.

          • Ron, about your comments on England; have you ever seen the movie V for Vendetta? if you have would you agree that england is almost resembling the socialist, dictatorship like government in the movie? if america were to ever assume these injunctions, we would no longer be known as america the free but america the natzi-republik.

  11. Back to the subject of civic service and the meaning of the House Resolutions in question. Last fall there were rumors that BO wanted to establish a National Security Force” that was as strong as our current military. So the rumor went back then. Based on the article under discussion today, it would lend some credence to a rumor I had heard about a month ago from a friend out West. According to this “rumor”, there are currently 5 camps being constructed in remote desert locations in the southwest, of which each camp can house as many as 20,000 people. If this is true, can anyone say “Training Center for indoctrination into civic service”.

    Trying to see things with an open mind, If in fact BO is moving forward with a “volunteer” core group, who would he target? If I were him, I would target innercity black youth, under the guise of giving them a chance to be something in life besides being poor and under educated, and held back by the white powers that be. This would serve as a beginning point, leading to mandatory service at some point in time.

    • Interesting.

      I imagine the name of their “cadre” would be the “Black Panthers”.

    • esomhillgazette says:

      A “National Security Force”. Ain’t that what the National Guard is for? And Obama already has the innercity black youth brainwashed into believing he is their new Jesus Christ and Muhammed rolled into one. So brainwash uh I meant “educating” them should be a snap G-Man. And the Black Jackasses I mean Panthers or the NAACP would make the perfect cadre!

      • The whole thing would work and be well accepted by most Americans because initially, there would be a huge decrease in crime. Judges could use “civic volunteer” as a alternate for jail time to those who initially refuse. The short term benefits will be huge, however, the long term results would be devestating.

    • G-Man

      Not a rumor. I posted this a few weeks ago, but will repeat here.

      “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded”. Barack Obama, Colorado Springs rally, 2008

      I will post this without comment at this time to promote discussion, and express an opinion later.

    • pepperoma says:

      I did know that BO made that comment. I’d be very interested in having that rumor about the camp constructions be proven true or false.

      USW, excellent article. Thanks!

    • Based on my experience in Cuba, I would say the target is all youth. This is a tactic of totalitarian governments. Suppress future dissent by indoctrinating the next generation. Let’s face it, we baby boomers won’t be around THAT much longer and the next generation has already been through a liberal school system. Bill Ayers teaches at the Chicago Teacher’s College, one of the premier teacher’s colleges in the country. His main focus is teaching social justice through all areas of education. For example, a math problem, instead of using apples and oranges, would be about carbon units or the number of people below the poverty line. Ditto for science problems. In other words, the ‘agenda’ would be the context for teaching the various educational topics.

  12. Maybe I haven’t had enough coffee, but did I actually read above that the ultimate goal of this “volunteer” group that cannot comment about anything political is supposed to churn out future “public sector leaders”?
    Am I just confused or justifiably frightned?

    • You are certainly justifiably frightened.

    • USWeapon says:


      I have to say that unfortunately, you did read it right, and given the two choices that you gave me, I would eliminate confused as an answer as well.

  13. Galileo says:

    If the government takes my money and gives it to the poor it is not charity. If they force me to do something or require me to do something to get a grant it is not volunteering. If it is not volunteering it must be something else. The government is already generous with other people’s money now they want to be generous with other people’s time.

  14. Reminder: We post on your site to let you know that we read every blog listed on our site for content and that your particular post was recommended to visitors on our site. Our main propose is to help get your posts and blog more visitors. We are hoping to support like minded conservatives in getting their very important visions to a wider audience. Thanks,

    • esomhillgazette says:

      I GREATLY appreciate you putting my blog on your site. This may help get more readership to mine and others. We are in a fight for our very existence. If we don’t get our point across now; how long will it be before we are forbidden to?

    • USWeapon says:

      I also appreciate the support. Anything that helps to drive traffic to the site and therefore increase the dialogue is a great thing. By all means let me know if I can return the favor.

    • SFC Dick says:

      I’m cool and all, but does the lable conservatives really apply? I , once , thought myself conservative, then I realized I might be more of a constitutionalist, then I realized liberties granted me under the constitution were being usurped by the same government enabled through the constitution, now…I call myself a free man. I’m no conservative.

  15. So tell me if I understand this correctly. At some point participation in the program will become mandatory. Participants are prohibited from engaging in religious instruction or conducting worship services.

    If a young man or woman who is a Sunday School teacher or minister in training is required to participate in the federal service corps, that person must stop engaging in their religious activities.

    Therefore, we require everyone to participate, thus stopping all engagement in religious (Christian or otherwise) leadership.

    How can anyone in congress or the judicial system see this as remotely constitutional? Please correct me if my reading of the bill is in error.

    • I read it, and basically that is what it says. Scary stuff.

    • pepperoma says:

      You know, I read that differently. I read it that you could not use your position in the group to promote any political party, candidate, union, religion, etc. That could just be me putting my spin on it, because I’m thinking it doesn’t actually say that.

      Keeping that in mind, the whole document has the overall appearance of just being something to encourage service groups. However, I am still learning about how seemingly innocuous language can come back later to be used to shoe-horn in some law that the general public might actually object to. (I.E. write laws about “civil unions” and then later just replace “civil unions” with “same-sex marriage.”)

      I think I need to learn faster.

      • USWeapon says:

        I think we all need to learn faster. Hopefully this blog is helping that along in some way.

  16. I’m a little confused. I recieved an email about this just last night. I found the bill and tried to read it to verify a particular section.


    (7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.

    This seemed to be the only section that the email was interested in and after reading the bill I found that this section does not exist. I don’t know if it was included in another version, but the one I read did not have anything in it regarding prohibited activities.

    I love the post, only two weeks now and I’ve finally found a place that voices my opinion! Thanks

    • I looked up the bill myself and could not find a section 125. The sections began with the number 1001

    • Here’s a link to the current bill’s text:

      I found the prohibited activities in section 1310.

      • If you view the bill’s details it appears that it has also passed the senate. It appears both our Senators in Georgia (both republicans) voted for it. I just contacted them both to respectfully show my outrage.

        I wish I could have gotten to them before it came up for a vote.

        • esomhillgazette says:

          OOOOOH! THANK YOU for telling me that! I live in GA also and I’m going to raise me some hell! By the way MWelch. I am Kin to Welch’s on my mothers side. Is that your name and what general area of GA is your family from?

          • Welch, yes; from GA, no. I (and the rest of the Welch’s) are from NE South Carolina – the PeeDee region. I currently reside in SE GA.

            • esomhillgazette says:

              My Welch’s are orig. from Cherokee Co, NC and were Cherokee Indian. You couldn’t tell that from looking at ME though. Do resemble an ugly Scots-Irish though!

      • I was looking at an older hr1388. I have now had my dumb moment for the week! LOL

      • OK, found it in sec 1310. I believe that is the “Engrossed Amendment Senate” version. Is this the final version? Is it just me or are these bills hard to read?!

        • If memory serve me, a bill must first get approved by the House, then Senate. This is where this one appears to be. It then goes to committee where the House and Senate versions are reconciled. The reconciled version then must be voted on by both houses of Congress (I think). It then goes to the President to be signed, or vetoed.

        • USWeapon says:


          You bet they are hard to read. Harder for you to combat it when you aren’t even able to understand it. Do you really think these dunderheads in Congress can understand it either? I guess it doesn’t matter since they don’t read bills before passing them.

    • RWBoveroux says:

      Has anyone stopped to think that the prohibited items in this bill are items that can not be done WHILE engaged in this ‘Civic’ activity. I have yet to read anything that says that if you participate in the civic activity you will not be able to participate in the prohibited items while NOT involved in the civic activities.

      • True, but the idea that I can’t exercise a freedom guaranteed by the US Constitution and Bill of Rights while participating in a government mandated program certainly rubs me the wrong way.

        Also, it’s only a minor word change or two from the prohibited items being outright prohibited while being a member of the brown shirt brigade – even on your “own” time.

      • Just my opinion, but consider this:

        In general, the “machine” believes that the masses are somewhat ignorant. I believe that they are banking on this.

        Bring in the new and upcoming (gullible) masses; install them in a camp; condition them to socialist theory-Alinksy (hey…it’s cool, it’s fun); get them brainwashed (no outside interference); and voila, they now have a renewable source of voters to propogate the cycle over and over.

        Again, I believe they are banking on ignorance and brainwashing.

      • USWeapon says:


        I believe that it can certainly be read that way. Whether that is accurate is anyone’s guess. But I certainly have an issue with government, at any point, telling their “volunteers” that they cannot practice the religion of their choice. That goes against the very freedom that America is supposed to represent.

      • RWB,

        Read that bill more thourghouly, it states that to participate one must attend the training camp(not in that exact language, but has the same ultimate meaning) and while in that camp one is restricted to only the programs training and is not allowed to do anything else.

        To me, that is nothing but a brainwashing facility.

        That is how the brown shirts and Hitler Youth started out.

  17. My local paper ran a clip on this story this morning and it sounded wonderful! Because I’ve followed this, I knew better, but it mentioned how in this time of economic turbulence this would be a way of people getting active and being able to earn some money also. It mentions there is a program for Seniors to get involved, like tutoring kids etc.

    So once again, the spin will be what a marvelous idea and then 5-10 years down the road, people will wonder, how did this happen? I’ve written my reps in Washington on this, but of course, to no avail. Again, do you think they even read or understand this? Don’t you think some of the people in Washington should start to have little alarm bells going off inside their heads?

  18. esomhillgazette says:

    I will say right now. Neither NOR my children will EVER do, or be forced to do this bulldookey! I will take my remaining middle school child out of school and homeschool him first! My other son is in College but he will not be forced to do this either. He will accept no grants or school loans and I will pay for it myself if that’s what it takes. I have to say that this certainly parallels the “Hitler Youth” beginnings. Funny how it’s sliding underneath the radar. This is the first i’ve heard the particulars of this NEW Obama stupidity. He still just isn’t getting it is he? And most of the liberals and even some of the others are just running like lemmings toward the sea to drown themselves behind him. When will it end? I’m beginning to think when we FORCE it to!

    • Andrew Gabriel says:

      Finally, if we want change we must FORCE it. It is our duty as AMERICANS! To take back our country and our right to live FREE!!!

    • Hill,

      A word to the wise. The thought police are way ahead of us on this. I have read articles about officials showing up at home schooler’s homes with a officer, DEMANDING entry to inspect the home. Demanding to speak to the children, asking questions having nothing to do with education such as, are there any guns in your home?

      A friend had her son finish his last 1 1/2 yrs homeschooling, submitting paperwork through the school. Three months before graduation he was arrested, placed in handcuffs and leg restraints in front of her, loaded in a van ( had to crawl )for transport. She finally showed enough documentation to where they released him until he appeared before the judge. The school had failed to send in some of the paperwork, then told the truancy officer they had no knowledge of his status, therefore an arrest warrant.

      • USWeapon says:


        Is there any reporting of this that I can access? I would think that this is something that people need to know more about. If it verifiable, I bet O’Reilly, Beck, or Hannity would want to jump all over it.

      • Black Flag says:

        Homeschooling is under direct assualt by all levels of government – it is one of the most direct “spit in your face” moves someone does; “We do not trust our children with the government”.

        Every government wants access to the “Tabla Rasa” of a child’s mind.

        Preventing that is the solemn duty of every parent.

        • Charleston County, SC has sent uniformed resource officers to homes within the first ten days of school, to check on “suspected truancy.” When called on it, the district office said it was unaware that this had happened.

          Thirty more instructional days, and we are out!

  19. Kristian says:

    If this passes, how long do you suppose it will be before concentration camps are built and then used? I believe that Christians will be the ones who are imprisoned and persecuted this time around.

    I am scared to death.

    • esomhillgazette says:

      They’ll go after the Conservatives first. Can’t have any dissension after all! The problem with that is a lot of Conservatives ARE Christians.

    • As G-Man said above, rumors are already floating around of such camps. I first heard of it last summer, of concentration like camps being built in remote places, in the US and Canada.

      They were supposedly complete with razor wire and ovens….and that was going on during Bush’s watch. Creeeepy!

      Whether that is a rumor or fact remains to be seen.

      What IS a fact is that our freedoms have been fading away, no matter whether the Republicans OR Democrats have been in charge. By focusing on Right and Left issues and agendas, we have been missing the bigger picture, that little by little, bit by bit, we are becoming a socialist / communist country. Obama has put the government agenda on the fast track, and maybe if there is a silver lining to that, it will be that people will wake up.

      On another blog, someone was saying we have to pick the best candidate and back them with votes….the very problem is we have basically 2 main party choices, a few obscure “other” party choices…and write in. Voters have to find a good “write -in” candidate and support THEM, that is the only way we will get something new and different in Washington. This would have to be local, grassroots action. No matter how much money backs the major parties, it is worthless if we speak with VOTES.

  20. Black Flag says:

    When a person can justify the use of violence on non-violent people even just one time, any justification to use such violence is now valid.

    With no surprise,there will comes a time when such use of violence overwhelms the person – and that person now screams “How can this have happened?” — rarely realizing that they, themselves, authorized such tyranny.

    • BF I have to admit, when I first started reading and responding on this blog, I was wondering about you. You seemed so far out in left (no pun intended) field. I have come to look forward to your responses, and for the most part agree with them…Thanks for keeping your perspective alive here.

    • It is possible to foresee such tyranny, however as most law abiding citizens are generally non-violent in nature, reverting to violence would only come as a last resort under extreme circumstances. The belief that tyranny may be heading our way, is an opportunity to stop it with non-violent means, and to get ready if that doesn’t work. The use of deadly force must be done with controlled emotions. When emotions dictate action, one is more likely to fail in any endeavor, especially when using deadly force. If the enemy knows that violence will be answered with violence, he might be less likely to commit the act.

      An example of this occured when a new law in Ohio was passed, stating that shooting an intruder who was not invited into your home is legal. And it perceived that the homeowner acted in self defense. Home invasions have plummeted to almost zero since then.

      With that said, even those who intend on being violent, will think twice when confronted with the possibility that they may encounter equal or more violence in their illegal endeavors.

      • esomhillgazette says:

        G-Man, that’s the Bully Principle. Most bullies only pick on people who won’t fight back.

      • USWeapon says:


        I think you are absolutely right in saying that most Americans are non-violent in nature. Not all, but most. However there is a line that once crossed, will change that tone completely. The question is whether the government is going to continue to cross that line over and over until something horrible results. The death of innocent people who simply have had enough government intrusion is a scary thought.

  21. Black Flag says:

    I promised to keep the readership alert to ‘trigger points’ of economic collapse.

    These points are not directly observable by the common public; hence the common people are always the last to know, and suffer the greatest harm.

    Please pop back to:

    for an update.

  22. westtxman2009 says:

    I found this web site about Hr 1388

  23. I am having a problem here.

    I noted earlier that HR1444 is now in the works, but failed to say that certain wording of HR1388 had been eliminated before the final version came out.

    HR1444 is designed to replace that wording that was eliminated.

    Some other wording in these bills raise my alarm bells – Most have to do with the encampments that these so-called volunteers will be inhabiting, and that is how the indoctrination process will be accomplished. Isolate them from all other forms of outside influence, prohibit them from even practicing their own religion while residing in the encampment, flood their minds with nothing but Obama-ism and . . . TA-DAAA . . . You now have Obama Youth dedicated to only ONE leader, ONE train of thought, ONE way of life.

    And it has been said that this could never happen in our country . . .

  24. USWeapon says:

    OK All. I can see some of your outrage and I do take a bit of solace in the fact that people don’t think that I am crazy in being alarmed about HR1388. So now to play a bit of devil’s advocate, since I can’t seem to find any liberals who have the courage to engage in intelligent and respectful debate with this group (kudos to everyone for keeping differing viewpoints respectful by the way. Dialogue is what is needed not name calling or distortion). I know the intelligence of my readers is intimidating, but step on up here Libs, we don’t bite and we will discuss with respect, logic, and fact based discourse.

    So the question that I pose is whether there is any context in which you, the readers of this blog, would find HR1388 acceptable? If the religion aspect of it were removed, would that then make it OK? Is there a place for a program that begins to build civic pride in America again? Is there a possibility that this is what is being done, but that unfortunately some of the farther left folks added in this nonsense banning religion?

    I guess the question for me is this: we are at a place in history where we need to begin doing something that moves us away from the indoctrination centers that our public schools have become. So how can that be achieved? We need to begin to have a way to teach our children the proper values and principles without having to overcome the public school’s teaching them the exact opposite of what we believe at home. Obviously we take this particular bill as the Obama youth movement. We do so because we are frustrated and scared of government right now, because government in its current form is far from what WE believe it should be. BUt what is the answer? If these volunteer groups required religious affiliation instead of banning it, would you be OK with that? Because I would find that just as morally corrupt.

    Suppose we try to see this from the other side of the aisle for a moment, how different does it look? I know it is hard to put down our logic and beliefs in order to do that, but let’s give it a try.

    • Black Flag says:

      “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and
      love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time
      they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall — think of it, ALWAYS.”
      ~ “Mahatma” (Great Soul) Gandhi

      • And in your opinion, Black Flag, what would be the quickest, most peaceful way to accelerate the fall of our current tyrants (President, Congress, etc)?

        • Nancy O'Hara says:

          Could it be by exercising the ultimate term limit — voting them all our of office?

      • Black Flag says:

        By doing NOTHING.

        Resistance empowers them.

        Attacking them empowers them.

        Threatening them empowers them.

        Working with them empowers them.

        Ignoring them defeats them. Without your energy, they are nothing.

        • I understand from a psychology stand point:

          Positive strokes

          Negative strokes

          No strokes: the worst of all, being ignored.

          But isn’t that what got us in this mess, ignoring what the government is up to, not paying attention?

        • Black Flag says:

          We got here because we paid them attention.

          When “they” said they could solve “that” problem, we gave the thumbs up.

          When “they” said that they knew better how to mobilize the country to greatness, offered spectacular programs (like NASA), told us were the great nation of the world, defenders of freedom…

          … and we had to do was to say “YES!”… then we paid them attention, and believed them.

          It was always a lie.

          We are a great nation, not because of what we do, or whether we got to the moon, or whether we have the largest, biggest of anything.

          We were a a great nation because …
          WE WERE FREE.

          We forgot that.

      • Nancy O'Hara says:

        …and they fall at the hands of people who are FREE!

    • The answer is certainly not requiring religious affiliation as a condition of service. The ultimate problem is that this program is a product of the federal government. As long as it is the federal government putting together a service program, I don’t see any scenario where I would support it. This is not part of the duties that were specifically given the the federal government in the US Constitution. If it were a state, county, or city group; or better yet, private group, then I would be more inclined to support it.

      We already have programs such as these in the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Salvation Army, Goodwill, food pantries, local church mission programs, etc. If we weren’t taxed to death to support federal welfare programs, then maybe we’d be more inclined to support private service programs – but I digress.

    • Black Flag says:

      “It is at all times necessary, and more articulately so during the progress of a revolution, and until right ideas confirm themselves by habit, that we frequently refresh our patriotism by reference to First Principles.
      ~ Thomas Paine, COMMON SENSE

      “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
      -Buckminster Fuller

      So what is this new model, based on your First Principles?

      What are your First Principles?

      (See how it always comes back to that question…..?

      • Good quotes, BF. As long as one keeps fighting directly, they have a visible target. Someone that can be demonized.

      • SFC Dick says:

        My first principle, “leave me alone” or the golden rule.

        Ok, question answered question asked “when my first principle is judged “illegal” and the powers drill down….” then what?

        Violence begetts violence.

        I have a pretty good idea that when the big dudes roll on me, there will be some on this board that will say “yeh, get that dude, he did (fill in the blank), he deserves it”

        • Black Flag says:

          Violence in response to an attack is your right.

          And there will always be those such as I who fight for real freedom that would stand by you. 🙂

    • There is a case for what is being proposed here. If you take an honest look at our education system and why it is failing. A fundamental change is needed to address this. No child left behind was a step in the wrong direction. Much of the failings are simply children with no interest in learning, no pride, no expectations of living a decent life. Most are raised where they have poor parents with little or no interest in their child’s education. They did not graduate, and see little importance in their children doing well in school. Apathy breeds even greater apathy.
      Drug dealers for role models. Is it surprising these kids don’t give a damn?
      So for these kids, forced participation for four years in the Obama army may turn them into some kind of productive citizen.

      So there is an argument from the other side.

      Personally, it scares the hell out of me. Obama’s statement about this being needed to achieve our ” NATIONAL SECURITY OBJECTIVES”. This group is to be
      as our military. That sounds a lot like Germany’s brown shirts. I have little fear of our military, even if a major depression hits and there are riots and violence. I believe our military, sworn to uphold the constitution would not turn oppressive. This OBAMACORPS would not hesitate
      to do ANYTHING they were ordered. Just as Hitlers followers did in the past. At least we will not register or surrender our guns. Some of us have learned some lessons.

      • SFC Dick says:

        I believe you are confussing two completely seperate entities. The new war winning idea is a huge group of civiies sent to Afghanistan.

    • A National Service Group comprised of Americas youth could be a good idea.The list of dont’s set forth above are to ensure a non political group,non influential and non-influenced.Only those that agree to these provisions need apply.Should your political party,your union,your religion,or any other of your beliefs not agree then stay home.You’re not needed.This could work and be a benefit to America’s youth and to America.

      • Nancy O'Hara says:

        I don’t recall any provision in the Constitution that says Congress is there to provide “benefits” to our people. They have a job that is clearly delineated, and rest is specifically left to the States and the People. Over the past 150 years or so, we seem to have decided that our Constitution is a “living document”, but I can’t help but wonder what would happen to your home if it were build on a “living foundation.” I think you’d be swimming in swill by now.

    • Amazed1 says:

      USW said…Is there a place for a program that begins to build civic pride in America again?
      Yes I think they still call it the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts of America.

    • Nancy O'Hara says:

      I can’t get away from the belief that any of these actions, from public education to a “volunteer” service program fly in the face of our Constitution. Home schooling of children, private schools, or public schools (run by the local community, by the way) are completely adequate for the education of children. And if they aren’t or don’t do their job as intended, we will pay the consequences. That’s a rule of life. Any time you break the law, you pay: gravity doesn’t care who jumps off the roof, he will fall. Why is it so hard to believe that when we learn our lessons nature’s way, we are more likely to change our decisions to bring about a more satisfactory consequence? I know it sounds simplistic, but life really isn’t complicated…

  25. From what I have seen and heard from democrat lifers here on Ohio, I honestly don’t think that they have any idea what’s going on in D.C. Even trying to engage in adult discussion seems to be useless, because lack of knowledge or utter denial seem to be dominate. These are good, hard working people, but they are simply ignoring what is going on around them. I believe that a majority of Americans are acting this way, simply because they don’t feel they will be heard, or simply don’t care about anything beyond their little world. When you try to engage them about the discussion, show them the actual evidence, I only seem to get “it’s an internet hoax” or “that will never happen in this country”.

    I have basically stopped trying to discuss these issues outside of some of the blogs I visit. I am now in full planning to deal with the worse case scenario. I feel bad for those who live with their eyes closed, but I have an old saying I like to use “You can medicate the mentally ill, but you can’t fix stupid!”

  26. Kristian says:

    I don’t think religion should be involved in it in any way. Religion is a personal choice and no one, not even the government has a right to tell anyone when they should practice that religion. If I understood what HR1388 is all about it’s brainwashing our youth to believe what the current administration wants them to believe, to think the way the current adminstration wants them to think. So, regardless of whether religion is involved in it or not, it’s wrong.It doesn’t matter what kind of language they use, the idea behind the language is just wrong.

    • Amazed1 says:

      Amendment 1 – Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      Is it just me or does HR 1388 violate Amendment 1….where are our Consitutional Judges when we need them?

      • Nancy O'Hara says:

        You have to be kidding! Our judges don’t even use the Constitution as a reference any more. They make their own rules according to their beliefs, and when that doesn’t seem sufficient, they call out decisions and policies from other countries to tell them what we should do. If anyone should be impeached, it’s a couple of SC justices I could name, but won’t here.

  27. westtxman2009 says:
    Read sec 4 (b) Specific Topics (6).
    Someone sent me an eamil on the ramifications of this and if half of what is in the email was true it is very alarming. The text of the Letter is here

  28. Judy Weismonger says:

    Anyone want to start a pool for how long it is going to take the Congress to “impeach” Obama? Or…isolate and contain Obama and his thugs from destroying this country? Why is Obama intent on bankrupting the US?….Obama was mentored by a Marxist, his surrogate father figure “Frank Davis,” and trained in the Saul Alinsky Cloward-Pivens Strategy…and believes that by bankrupting the US, he can destroy Capitalism and usher in complete and total Socialism. Look up these terms and learn what Obama taught to his ACORN thugs as a so called “community organizer” (Communist indoctrination in how to destroy American, Capitalist society). And Obama is right on target…in just a few years we will be 12 to 20 trillion dollars in debt. Obama has spent more in 68 days than “ALL” American presidents spent since George Washington was pesident. Have fun…

    • Not totally familiar with the Alinsky strategy, but is this something that would work for conservatives as well? Let’s say substituting our belief system for theirs? Is it a matter of strategy? Just saying………….or am I totally off base?

      • Get “Rules for Radicals” by Alinsky to read his tactics. Picked this up yesterday along with Orwell’s “1984” – the lady helping me looked at me like I was the second coming of ……..

    • I don’t see Congress being any better than he is, let alone impeach him. Oh, how I wish they would.

      Stop and consider….he could not have accomplished anything to date without the cooperation of Congress…I think we are sunk, for now anyway. Depending on Congress to do something is like depending on gas to put out a fire.

  29. esomhillgazette says:

    My Kids wouldn’t be in this regardless of how it’s funded or affiliated. We already have church youth groups. We also have boy and girl scouts, and plenty of volunteer groups. If it is a government idea, it’s bad. If it’s an Obama idea (read liberal), it’s worse.

    • Agreed, anything government has its hands in ALWAYS winds up screwed up. There are always “unintended” consequences and they are mostly bad. I would not advocate any type of government involved anything…It would only wind up costing everyone more tax dollars.

    • The problem being, what starts out “voluntary” will become “mandatory”.

      I have no problem with young folks serving at “something” for a couple years…military, nursing home, red cross, whatever would teach them to give and not just take.

      The problem with this thing is the centralization and indoctrination that will occur.

      • SFC Dick says:

        I remember when certain high schools began a program where the student needed volunteer time to graduate. “Great” thought I, knuckleheads mucking about. If I remember correctly, they most got into banal activities, plant a tree for earth day, float a candle in a Frisbee down the local drainage ditch for peace etc, not many going to the soup kitchen to serve up fish sticks to the smelly folks. Our local Christian affiliated private school has an ongoing tradition of having its students spend the night in a tent or under a card board box so they might empathize better with the plight of the homeless. I think they might even be required to miss dinner. The day after many sage quotes of wisdom come from these enlightened kids “sleeping out in the cold sucks” or “going without dinner sucks, I feel sorry for the homeless’. Ok, I get it. Good idea, harmless, humbling I guess.
        The federal program seems very dangerous to me. I imagine since many repubs signed off on it, they were convinced by the “idea” that no religion will be forced. I wonder if they look at the whole “liberal” movement the way I do. The whole “liberal” movement is a most powerful religion.

  30. O.K., here is my thoughts about a “service corps for Americas youth” . . .

    As a young juvenile delinquent, yes I was, I heard a lot about how young men of my ilk should be forced to go into military service at the end of high school for at least four years. I did not like that thought then and I still do not like it. Why? No one should be forced into military service or service of any kind. That should be strictly a persons own decision as to whether he/she joins the military. Period.

    I was given a decision to make by a judge in a courtroom to either choose a branch of military to enlist into or do a few years in the state pen for my transgressions(of which I will NOT go into here). Having some knowledge as to what happens to young men upon entering the state pen, I chose military service – It was MY choice to join the USMC. In retrospect, that decision was the turning point in my life. The decision was mine to pick the toughest branch of service in order to prove to my family that I was not a hopeless case, much to their shock and disbelief(I found out later that there were many bets made that I would end up being kicked out before boot camp was over).

    In support of an all volunteer U.S. Military, we have the best educated military in the world. Because it was their decision to join, not being drafted makes all the difference in the world.

    When you force someone to become a member of any organization, it sows the seed of resentment from the very beginning. If someone volunteers on his/her own to be a part of an organization, it sows the seed of pride in ones self as well as the organization one is now a member of.

    I have a niece that volunteered for the peace corps and served in the African nation of Benin for three years. She is now a doctor who teaches other doctors her specialty of physical and occupational rehabilitation down in Florida. She tells me that she would not trade that time in Africa for anything, that having knowledge of how others in this world are treated and how they live has made her a more intelligent doctor who is more in tune with her patients than she would have been without that experience. But that she chose, of her own free will, to do that is what point I am trying to make. Would she still have the positive attitude about it if she had been forced to serve? I think not.

    That brings me to what I believe is the essence of this legislation. That is to force people into a sort of service that would leave that person beholden to only one faction in our government for the rest of their lives. I do not like that inference one bit, and neither should anyone who is as committed to living a free life as I am.

    You can remove the religious restrictions, but that would be replaced with something else in order to influence the “volunteer” to adhere to what ever it is that the Socialists want them to.

    Forced to attend a “volunteer” camp is nothing short of imprisonment by another word. Remember, a Rose by any other name is still a Rose!

    • Amazed1 says:

      I do not believe a forced servitude will be acceptable to any American….our young people volunteer for all kinds of things. They feed the hungry, they help build homes for the homeless, they pick up trash and I have even see them helping durning hurricans and tornadoes. I believe that when parents offer the right leadership young people willing follow.
      I am sorry but to me this is just another instance of the Government doing a parents job. My Father was an excellent teacher. A retired military officer he took the time with each and everyone of his grandchildren to instill in them the want and the need to help others. The job of teaching civil duty is the responsibility of parents not government….I can assure you if they (the government) stick their hands in this it will be a total disaster.

  31. When I saw the short clip of Obama talking about his Civilian Nation Force, a chill went down my spine. His body language scared/scares the hell out of me. God help us. I’m hoping for the economic collapse, or maybe that Taliban guy threatening DC to spare us the rest of Obama’s plans……

  32. In the first two version of the bill (introduced and reported in the house) Title VI established a Congressional Commission on Civil Service. In Section 6104 called “Duties” it gives the commission this responsibility under subsection B, #6:
    “Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.”

    Click to access 111_hr1388_txt.pdf

    This whole Title VI has been removed in the final house version that was passed on the 18th. Curiously the language was introduced in a separate bill HB 1444 on March 11th but the language was still in 1388 on the 16th when it was reported. HB 1444 was referred to the House Committee on Education and Labor. I’d keep an eye on that one. If it had been passed with that language included then it would have left the door wide open to a mandatory service requirement- which is what the draft is and which amounts to slavery in my opinion- ironic that the first black president came so close to essentially bringing back American slavery.

    Most of the mainstream media (Fox for example- must not have noticed that that part had been removed. Are you getting the passed version from another source and this language is still in it?

    This whole situation upsets me because it is like they knew it wouldn’t pass with this language in it but they let everyone (except those who voted on it probably) think that it DID have the language in it. It is like they are setting us up. The brazenness of all of this is almost shocking.

  33. Hi everyone. Just found your site. I am a senior citizen. As such I have witnessed decades of change. Most notably throughout the decades the fall of the value of the dollar. I watched insurance make everything concerning health care unaffordable. I watched the buy now, pay later era come to pass. All of this is not dealing with reality about what you can actually afford with the income you make. Thus industry grew faster than our take home dollars.
    But I also recall something that had to be at least 40 years or more ago. It was this little article about I think the Illuminati. When the stock market went bust starting the great depression, these world financiers took our president to the stock market as it was crashing to show him what they could do. It was a warning. History is about to repeat itself & the Hr1388/ Hr1444 is gearing up for it. Some things just stick in your mind through the decades even though you push it back from your daily thoughts. These Illuminati are the wealthiest people in the world & thus do not need more money but what they want is world power.

    • USWeapon says:


      Welcome to the site and thanks for offering some perspective on things. I have always found the idea of the illuminati fascinating. Whether I believe that they are as powerful as they claim is certainly open to debate, however. Perhaps they are, perhaps they aren’t. I imagine that if they were, we wouldn’t know nearly as much about them as we do.

  34. Unknown only for this Post says:

    Hi all,

    I got an internal email at work today that I wish to discuss. Because I work for a very large financial corporation (one of the largest), I wish to remain anonymous for fear of corporate big brother mentality and getting in trouble with my job — Normally, I post here with a distinctive name. Okay, so bear with me here…


    What I am trying to point out about this email is not so much the content (I have absolutely NO problem with what they are asking for – and fully support what they are asking for).

    My issue is with the Pictures (which I can’t paste here) that denote what I consider moving towards a “socialist” mentality with the overall message of the email and how bizarre I find this. I find this bizarre because NEVER, NEVER, EVER has there been a political undertone associated with corporate-sponsored communications…. I WANT TO KNOW, what has changed to permit this? (Of course, you gentle readers cannot specifically answer that question as you don’t work here.) It has always been the Policy that politics and religion are off-limits in the Corporation. I will note that there is a Company sponsored PAC Program and that we do receive emails related to that.


    Here goes (I am changing some words to x’s to protect the innocent- namely me!):

    The Title of the Email is: UNCLE SAM NEEDS YOU

    Image at top of Email: image of Uncle Sam (stern look), pointing his finger at me; with the words underneath the picture “Uncle Sam Needs You!!” and a small U.S. Flag next to it.


    XXXXXX Veterans Hospital now has a facility where families can stay while patients receive treatment. It’s known as XXXXX House. This facility needs your help. Throughout the month of April, there will be collection boxes at XXXXXX and XXXXXX for your donations of the following items from their wish list…

    Dominoes, Dice, Cards – playing (large print) and UNO Card holders, poker chips
    Board Games – Parcheesi, Connect Four, Apples to Apples, Scattergories, etc
    Children’s educational toys
    Outdoor games; Bocce Ball Set, Horseshoe Sets, Badminton set, beach balls, nerf balls, soft foam balls, tennis balls
    Models – planes, boats, cars, paints
    Puzzle books; Cross word books, Search a Word, Sudoku
    Indoor games: bowling, magnetic dart boards, extra darts, basket ball/hoop, indoor horseshoes

    Art supplies; Sketch pads, Colored pencils, Non-toxic, washable paints, art paint brushes
    Charcoal, pastels for art drawing, Woodworking craft kits/projects

    DVD’s – current movies, prayer services, 50’s, 60’s, 70’s comedy shows, travelogues, National Geographic, Discovery or History DVD’s

    Music CD’s – 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, Karaoke CD’s

    We are accepting donations of any of these items, new or gently used. Your contribution will be greatly appreciated and is .


    Please don’t get all upset with me…In no way do I think an image of Uncle Sam or the words “Your Patriotic Duty” is “socialist” (although some here may argue that). Afterall, the request is to support the XXXXX Veteran’s Hospital, so in my eyes, IT IS totally patriotic and is my personal duty to support the people who have put their lives on the line for America.

    Please let me take a moment to say Thank You to all veterans and active military for what you do/have done/sacrificed for me, my family and my nation! I cannot thank you enough….

    What I find bizarre is that it seems eerily similiar to government posters from WWII. Last year, I would not have thought twice about this and moved on with my day!
    (By the way, earlier today, I was on a business conference call where the facilitator was discussing that my corporation fully supports Secretary Geithner’s plans for funding the “toxic” loans.)

    It’s like all of the sudden, my corporation is like sucking up the kool-aide by the gallons and encouraging employees to suck down some kool-aide…I’m like WTF…I expect to start opening work emails and seeing that weird Obama Icon that is on some of the pictures that US Weapon has posted on this article and how it is my patriotic duty to blah, blah, blah.


    You know…just maybe I’m being paranoid here — it’s just an email trying to get people to support a “Patriotic Cause”…

    But, I have to ask myself…why all of the sudden, when NEVER before…just maybe I’m seeing a “clue” where we have some Corporate “Brown-Shirting” going on…

    If you think that I’m being paranoid, then by all means, please say so…pull me down to earth!

    I do have to ask the question though…Is anyone else starting to see any “brown-shirting” at work? Is anyone else feeling this or maybe feeling paranoid/guilty over possibly imagining things?

    P.S. I’ve truly come to respect the opinions of posters here! Thank you.

    • Unknown only for this Post says:

      left this out…at the bottom of the email it says:

      We are accepting donations of any of these items, new or gently used. Your contribution will be greatly appreciated and is . (there is a picture pasted with the text of YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY!!)

    • USWeapon says:


      I have started to see this in my company as well. I was given a written reprimand a year and a half ago for discussing politics in the workplace. It wasn’t a big deal, just some of us having debates during slow times. Never got angry with one another or anything. Someone else who overheard the conversations in passing complained to HR.

      Then O’prompter got elected and we are discussing politics on regional conference calls. It is amazing. I will write a post on this in the next couple of days. Is it OK to pull from this post to include in that article. Also if you want to email me anything else that would compliment the article, I will ensure that nothing gets posted that would identify you in any way. If you have noticed in these postings, there are some people who know me. But I have gone to pretty great lengths to remain USWeapon, and not use my real name. I also never discuss the company that I work for by name. So I get where you are coming from.

      • Unknown only for this Post says:

        US Weapon,

        Thank you for your reply on this…I feel better that at least one other person is seeing/feeling vibes/hearing/whatever you want to call it on this. And I am happy that you understood what I was trying to say!

        By all means, feel free to pull from my post. If you need additional information, you should have my email address.

        Also, I will be changing my posting name for future posts as I’ve made it too easy for a person with any sense to figure out who I am. Big mistake to have been using my previous handle.

      • Unknown only for this Post says:

        US Weapon,

        I’d also like to elaborate a bit further on your comments as related to political discussions/debates at work.

        1st of all, I telecommute full-time, so all of my business is conducted over the phone.

        My manager and I have “figured out” that we are of the same political bent. Because of this, we feel somewhat comfortable have short political discussions when only the two of us are on the phone together (i.e. we trust each other).

        Back in January, one of my co-workers from NYC attended the Inauguration. The following week, during a team meeting, we were subjected to having to look at her Facebook (shown on screen share) to see all of the pictures that she took and listen to 20 minutes of her describing how exciting it was, etc. Of course, we politely sat through it and all of us asked questions about the experience. She went on and on about the historical event and how excited she was to be a part of it. It made me want to puke. My manager should have drawn the line and put a stop to it, but I understand his position…It’s almost like we have to be “closet conservatives” at work in order to survive; but it’s totally okay to be openly liberal at work.

        An example: I don’t run around soliciting co-workers to join the Heterosexual Club (well, for one thing, there isn’t one); but it’s okay for me to be solicited to join the ‘Rainbow’ Club (yes, there is one).

        At one of our buildings in Kalifornia, an “it” bathroom (transgender) had to be added (at great cost); yet, at that same building, they refused to have an official LaLeche Room (to provide privacy for pumping breastmilk). They felt that conference rooms could be used for pumping (at no cost).

        • SFC Dick says:

          Ska-ruuu THAT! Mr Anon

          Your patriotic duty!?
          Throughout my military life I’ve had buddies, (not acquaintance or other members, people I’ve begun to grow close to) ask, some theme on “ I really respect you, even though I never served”. The implication always seemed to me to be “you are better than I” or “ I’m not into doing that military thing, are we still cool?” I would respond “yeh, no sweat”. The most recent one from a dude who had an older brother who served, I finally thought I should give more explination because this dude was a solid guy, I could tell his “confession” was really heartfelt; I said “Eddie, look, I am nothing without you. You are a solid citizen, you produce, you act in a civil manner and thus promote a civil society ( I had done my first tour in Afghanistan )…..I don’t think you realize how key it is that guys like you do what you do, day in and day out, that is what makes this country great. You have a beef with your neighbor, you don’t feel justified by your religion or culture to go kill this dude, let alone do it. You eat crap from society all day long but deal with it, acting like a God damned civilized man. Our military is nothing without the very society it is supposed to support. Plus, I gotta tell ya, man, you lazy corrupt infidels are , for the most part, down deep, good caring folks. Screw the fucking Army, it is folks like you that make up my America and that is more important than some silly yellow ribbon bullshit. I’m no better , maybe worse, HA! It’s just that I’m good at this stuf. Don’t sweat it…now go get me a beer for my heroic battles in the ‘Stan you sissy”
          I see some one patriotic duty to uphold the basic tenants on which I believe this country was founded on.
          1.Stay vigilant, government is an evil genie, keep it in check and…..
          2. MYOGDB….don’t believe that last one? Huh? Really?….remember one of the first flags of our budding republic? DON”T TREAD ON ME

  35. MustangMary says:

    When I heard that clip during Obama’s campaign I too thought that was weird. I worry about the conservative radio guys and gals I listen to. One day they may not be there. Remember the “Left Behind” book series? Sure feels like a deja vu is coming our way.

    Well maybe this North Korean launch will solve all our problems? Who ever shoots it down is in so called ‘big trouble’ or am I being facesish (sp?)?

    A friend of mine sent this site to me and I’m so glad she did. Before my team leader at work was moved to another building he told me “don’t talk about politics around these folks if you can help it”. He was always warning me to watch out who might be listening when talking about politics.

    Those pictures on this site are awesome and scary.

  36. CanadianFox says:

    It’s a good thing I read the whole thing or I was going to call the local lunatic asylum and have you committed. Yeah, I think the word “over-reach” might be appropriate (but that could be argued as an over-reach in and of itself). The thing about “religion” is that they do not want “brainwashed proselytisers” applying or involved. And I quite agree with that approach. As good as our country is, unfortunately the “extremes” in our society skew things so much to their way of thinking that sometimes it is neccessary to create these bills/documents that conspiracy theorists have a ball with. Looking back at the last election; however, someone could have made the same argument about all of the right wing college groups on campus. Let us hope that that never happens on either side of the ledger.

  37. Nancy O'Hara says:

    Am I the only American to fear an order forcing public service or any kind of service, charity, or action on a free people? How can volunteerism be forced and remain volunteerism? If we want to reinstate the draft, then do it in the open; but you can’t draft people to volunteer — that is, give freely of their time/talent/energy. It’s contradiction in terms. The many people who staff the Red Cross, for example, are not volunteers; they are employees — I know because I worked there as a temp for over a year, and they have 3 labor unions governing their actions. some volunteers work for no money at the blood banks, etc., but I digress. The point is you can’t pay people to volunteer; and you certainly can’t legislate “volunteerism” without opening the door to something very sinister.

    We used a military draft to protect us in a time of war, but that has been abandoned in the name of freedom, with which I fully agree. I’d be really shocked if we had need of rapidly expanding our military in a time of emergency and Americans didn’t volunteer in droves, even lying about their age to do so.

    • CanadianFox says:

      Nancy, To answer your question – yes I think you making way more of this than you should. Try not to read so many books that involve conspiracy theories and please stay away from the movies too. Remember, those who hysterically write about these topics and supposed conspiracies, always have a jaded angle.

      • Canada:

        I reluctantly provide this comment, because I will be called a liar or challenged to provide documentation which I can’t. You will have to trust me on this.

        I have been in the room when what we call “Green” groups have proposed the very thing that is of concern here. I have also been in the room when it was proposed by “Progressives” for the purposes of social work. Not all conspiracy theories are created in a vacuum.

        I have also heard, first hand, the cries of leading environmentalists for a unified world government, because it is the only way to reign in the U.S. and other countries who are not environmentally enlightened. I wathced an interview with George Soros (Larry King) last Oct while in D.C. where he called for a new world order (my words I don’t remember his exact phrase) to address environmental and social injustices in the world. He not only called for it but emphatically stated it was here and there was little the rest of us could do about it. This was after the financial collapse but before McCains numbers really dropped off.
        Now how could he have been so cock sure of himself????

        There are alot of conspiracies to choose from in the market place. I have no faith in most if any, other than this one.

        I know for a fact that those who control what we call the mainstream environmental groups (Sierra Club, Wilderness Society, Green Peace, etc) all support dilution of our soveriegnty and increased control by a world govt seated at either the UN or World Court. I know this becaue I was at meetings where it was presented and I have heard them discuss it openly on their version of talk radio.

        So Nancy you do have reason to be concerned. Do not trust these people to do anything they say, unless they come right out and say they are going to take your property for the betterment of mankind. You can believe that.


  38. My fellow on Orkut shared this link and I’m not dissapointed at all that I came to your blog.

  39. I’m looking at H.R.1388. It says section 125 repealed. Am I misreading it?

  40. Everyone I know of…including black people and latinos are arming themselves to the teeth. Many of them, and myself included…think this whole thing may get nasty and really hostile, before Obama is run out of office. The only thing that can keep a bloody and destructive revolution from happening, is if the Democrat party either contains Obama legislatively…or impeaches him and remove him from office.

    At one other time in American history, Jimma Carter was contained by his own party with the help of the US Military, to keep him from going bezerk and dropping a nuclear bomb on Iran, after US hostages were taken. Sources state that Carter was not only given tranquilizers in his food and drink, but he was given “false” codes for the encoding the nukes, and all his phone calls were monitored and often his orders were countermanded…This country was run beautifully, and seamlessly with the military in charge…and not very many people in the public sector knew it.

    Essentially, Carter was not the President between November and January …after he lost the election. Carter’s breakdown came after he thought he was “blessed” by god and his conclusion was that he was assured to be re-elected as President. However, the voters voted otherwise, and Carter had a nervous breakdown…and as a result, he waffled dangerously between being suicidal and homicidal.

    There is a degree of confidence, that the US Military will not allow Obama and his Chicago Thugs to take over this country. When Patriots join the military, they take an “oath” to “protect and defend the United States” against every threat, “domestic” and foreign….whereas, in every aspect of Obama’s background, associates and friends…his clear mission in life, as the New Black Messiah…has been to destroy the US…either for Islam, or Communism or both.

    But, not for one minute should we let up the pressure against this Manchurean candidate and common thug. Those who have the most power to “contain” Obama are your congress people and legislators…who all want to be re-elected. Ergo, unless such a legislator is clearly insane, such as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, they will pay attention to the American people’s disgust and distrust of this Chicago Thug who dares call himself “President.”


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