Tax Day Tea Parties A Success

I posted a quick thought on the Media Coverage of the Tax Day Tea Parties yesterday afternoon. I was suprised (although I shouldn’t have been) to find that there was almost zero coverage of the protests on any of the major news media outlets except for Fox News. We had some spirited discussions there with one commenter who failed to operate in the world of reality, while criticizing all the other readers on the blog for letting our silly notions of freedom and liberty get in the way of the realities of the world. It was quite comical. But overall, his sentiment was also that the Tea parties were a “non-event” that no one was really going to show up at and even if they did it didn’t mean anything. You can go read his comments. He is quite comical and clueless in his assessment.
 

So I thought I would share just a few of the things that came out of the Tea Parties. Figured I would share a few pictures of all the folks that “weren’t going to show up anyway”. Perhaps show how the one liberal media outlet I saw covering the protests attempted to cast all the protesters as radicals who were too stupid to know what is going on. And share a few numbers that I have seen thus far from the reports coming in.

Let’s begin with the parties that “no one was going to show up at”. The “non-events”. Some attendance at the parties that didn’t even warrant media attention:

 

  • Over 2,000 Cities Participated

    Over 2,000 Cities Participated

    Lansing, Michigan – 4,000

  • Boise, Idaho – 2,500
  • Denver, Colorado – 5,500
  • Harrisburg, Pennsylvania – 3,000
  • San Antonio, Texas – 15,000
  • Fort Collins, Colorado – 2,000
  • Madison, Wisconsin – 8,000
  • Nashville, Tennessee – 10,000
  • Carson City, Nevada – 2,000
  • Providence, Rhode Island – 2,000
  • Los Angeles, California (Dockweiler Beach) – 2,500
  • Tuscon, Arizona – 3,000
  • Annapolis, Maryland – 3,000
  • Winston Salem, North Carolina – 3,000
  • Raleigh, North Carolina (MY home) – 1,500-2,000

 

Those are just some of the initial reports coming in. I only went through and picked some from the first 50 of over 600 posted cities. As a total number of protests nationwide, I don’t have that number yet. I have only heard one number reported thus far as a national count. Tomorrow will be a day with more information on this. The count that I heard for overall was 225,000+. That sure outnumbers 19 Code Pink protesters in San Francisco who got national media attention for 3 days last year. Interesting that the media chose to act like this wasn’t happening, except for CNN, who chase to try to portray the protests as radical extremists and anti-government hacks.  

As an added bonus, we got coverage from CNN, the only liberal outlet covering the parties. And the video we saw from them was telling. The person reporting was argumentative with protesters. As the man she was interviewing tried to tell why he was there, to protest massive taxes and spending, the reporter reminded him that he was going to be receiving a $400 check from the federal government. She was truly stunned that this $400 was not working as an appeasement tactic for people fed up with Washington spending Trillions. She concluded by stating that the protest was anti-government, and promoted by the right wing extremist station Fox News. And then she said the things being shouted at her were not really family viewing, she was throwing it back to the studio. Way to provide unbiased coverage CNN. You can view the video here:

YouTube – Tea Party Rude CNN Reporter Needs To Be Fired, . CNN News Reporter Tea Party Tax

Overall I would say initially it looks like this was a fairly successful day for those wishing to express their dissatisfaction with the current government trends. And interestingly, unlike the liberal protests, there were no shop windows broken, cars overturned, and the protests were peaceful and after they were over, people peaceably dispersed without the use of tear gas. 

 

Orlando, FL

Orlando, FL

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Cincinnatti, OH

Cincinnatti, OH

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Comments

  1. Alright, first and foremost, heck yeah San Antonio! Fifteen thousand strong is an amazing statement. Now, sorry to rain on your tea party, but someone needs to point it out. I admire the fact that these protests came to a peaceful end, but sadly there is a caveat to the success. Apparently the so-called “right wing extremists” are under the scrutiny of the Department of Homeland Security and gatherings like the tea parties may be more problematic than they should be. A nine page document appeared on April 7th and focuses on anti-government groups (sorry BF) and white supremacists who have not acted violently yet, but do create a furtile recruiting ground for those who may be easily moved. Among the ranks (sorry USWeapon) are former military personnel who are capable of a violent attack. It is a disturbing document, which likens those who want smaller government to the Oklahoma City bomber, which Homeland Security Secretary Nancy Napolitano fully supports. Check it out at…

    http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

    • Ddk,

      She is the former governor of AZ. We have labeled her Janet “from another planet” Napolitano. Her name is Janet, not Nancy. Even though their mental cognizance is about equal.

    • This has been mentioned a few times since the report came out. On the lighter side, I was being teased by a 100% democrat co-worker this morning that I was now an extremist. I laughed an agreed that if I was, I’d be darn good at it. My co-worker then said it wasn’t my style anyway. I said, don’t count on that and unbuttoned my longsleeve outer shirt to expose my T-shirt. My T-shirt says (you’ll love this) “SNIPER – IF YOU RUN, YOU’LL ONLY DIE TIRED”.

      G!

    • Ddk, on foxnews.com It appears that Janet is apologizing for calling returning military right wing extremists! Ha!

      “Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano apologized to veterans after a report issued by her department said troops returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were at risk for being recruited by right-wing extremists.”

      here’s the link…funny stuff

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/16/napolitano-apologizes-offending-veterans-dhs-eyes-rightwing-extremism/

    • Hello all,

      I was at the Rancho Cucamonga rally last night where everyone was very enthusiastic and well behaved. Saying that, I stood proudly with my sign that said:

      “My 1st Amendment right is not extreme”

      I was very offended an upset over the DHS report which blankets so many good citizens as potential terrorists. Talk about poking sticks…

  2. Hello USW,

    Got home about midnight, I guess. Maybe a little earlier.

    Lake Havasu City had about a thousand if not more. Some were conservative, some were Libertarian, some were liberal, all did not want all this out of control spending that is going on in D.C.

    As we were leaving, the Police officers that were assigned to crowd control(without riot gear, mind you), all three of them, were constantly saying “your welcome” to all the thank yous that they were getting from the crowd as we left. They were actually smiling. Sure wish my crowd control duty days had been like that!

    There were no empty trash receptacles around the area after we left, and NO trash left on the grounds. We cleaned up as we left.

    Kingman had between 500 & 1,000 I think, don’t know for sure so am just guessing by the size as I drove by.

    There is a very small community just outside of Kingman that is named Chloride. I am not sure how many people live there, but even they had a tax day protest there. In a local watering hole called Yesterdays Restaurant. I will try to find out how many folks showed up at that one and let you know tomorrow. I took some photos and a short video of the Lake Havasu City group and will post it on my blog tomorrow.

    That CNN reporter, WOW, what a nut!? I played that over twice and I did not hear anything vulgar from that crowd behind her. I,ll check it out again tomorrow when I have a good night sleep.

    Speaking of that . . . Good Night.

    • esomhillgazette says:

      Yeah. The only thing I could hear them saying was “Why don’t you shut up and let him answer”! And I can certainly understand why the crowd was underwhelmed by the fact that they were soon to get a whole $400 check from Obutthead! CNN, (and others) just didn’t get it. Nor, apparently do they want to.

      • I think if we get any money from the government we should send it back. $400 is money from our BFF China. Keep your money and I will continue working hard to make my own money…again, hush money. WTF is $400 anyways; most people are so behind on there bills that it would go straight to them. Where the hell is my billion dollar bailout since I have to pay it anyways…

    • Retired AF says:

      I was at the Tucson Tea Party. There was an invocation, pledge of allegiance, and the national anthem. All were well behaved and very respectful. We had a number of good speakers, music, food, and ground rules, which included no profanity (because families were there), do not get involved with ACORN protesters if they show up, and respect the Tucson police. What a difference from the left-wing mobs we see on TV. We also got good radio coverage and i saw at least one TV station (KOLD – CH13). I watched their report, and it was fair.

  3. Nice doc there Ddk, that’s very interesting, and scary. The use of the word ‘extremists’ is crazy. I think only twice they used ‘law abiding Americans’ in the whole thing in reference to purchasing firearms and ammo. Oh, and the fact they’re currently trying to pass legislation to register all weapons and ammo!

    Well….here’s to all of us right wing extremists! CHEERS! Another label thrown at us by the government…

    • We “average American citizens” will be the reason Martial Law is implemented. If you don’t know what I am referring to, google it. The right-wiing extremist will be there excuse to begin genocide on their own citizens!

  4. Vinnster says:

    The tiny town of Franklin, NC pop. ~4000 in Macon County pop. ~32,000 had between 500-1000 show up. It was a great day. Surrounding towns and counties have similar turnout.

    No doubt this will shakeup the Left. As we all know, Obama is playing the class warfare card to the maximum and I suggest the card which was played with the release of the DHS report will be the next push to label decent as extremist views. Anyone who disagrees with Obama will be labeled an extremist…the MSM is in full-bore attack mode trumpeting this exact sentiment.

    The question is, how will the large segment of society react to being labeled a terrorist, and will they finally get up off the couch and vote in the next election.

    • I just can’t wrap my ahead around the whole class warfare you mentioned in your post. Not to get too off topic here, but has anyone seen the story on Obama’s tax filings? To USW’s point above, take this article at face value until you’ve researched it yourself. Interesting how he wants to make everything “fair” by punishing the evil rich people who got “lucky” or were dishonest in an effort to relate to the average American when he and Michelle earned well of $2 million themselves… Sorry to get off topic but it seems that so many are wearing blinders and take everything he spouts as unconditional truth. Ok…getting off the soap box.

      Here’s the link:
      http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090415/us_nm/us_obama_taxes_return_1

  5. RWBoveroux says:

    Here in DC it is reported that we had about 500 people standing in the rain to express their displeasure with the financial policies of our government (BOTH Dems and Repubs). The fact that I find rather amusing is that the Secrete Service prohibited a rally at the US Treasury. So we have an office of the FEDERAL Government telling people that they can not exercise their First Amendment Rights. Can anyone say Franz Kafka?

  6. Bama dad says:

    To all of my rightwing radicals out there good morning. The Shelby County Tea Party was attended by about 6 thousand people. Shelby County is considered a rural Alabama County so these numbers were better than expected. We had very good local coverage and it was a great time for all involved. Rest assured that this is only the beginning. Now that I have come out of the closet, it feels great to be a RADICAL.

    • I’m sure your grandfather would be proud of you. I bet he was doing the same sort of protest back in the early 60’s.

    • Richmond Spitfire says:

      BamaDad,

      I love your saying that “you’ve come out of your closet”! I think that aptly applies to me also! Hope you don’t mind if I use that in the future.

      Regards,
      RS

  7. I reported on the previous post about the success of the rally here in Madison; over 5000 in attendance with some estimates as high as 8000. It was awesome and I was proud to be part of it. Like you mention, GA, everything was cleaned up and I too, overheard a policeman talking to co-worker that this was the most peaceful protest he’d ever seen.

    Not surprised by day after coverage – I guess it shows that they were a success when they have to work so hard to put them down.

  8. Ray Hawkins says:

    I would only add say ‘what is next’? Rallies are great, but you’re not in an election year and there don’t appear to be further linchpin dates or events (yet) to do anything with. I think the awareness is great and I am sure there will pandering to it, but the Million Man march created a lot of awareness as well, just maybe not much lasting change (there’s that darn change word again). The agenda is set and the ship has already left the port.

    • Ohhhhhhhhhh Ray: Why the cynicism after such a wonderful day yesterday? Maybe you should get a new bed so that pain in your back would go away. You might not be so irratable in the morning.

      I think I could give you a very thorough and thoughtful answer but I detect you really don’t care. So let me just say…….

      We were invisible before the rallies and we may again be invisible after the rallies. But now we know we are not alone. We also know who our friends are and how to get ahold of them if we need their help. Now I wonder what good could ever come from that???

      You are correct in that the ship has left. And it is full of holes and taking on water. Our job is to first keep it from sinking. Then get it back to port where we can repair and refit it, so that it may be the grandest ship known to mankind, able to handle the roughest of seas…with the greatest of ease.

      I sincerely hope your sour mood lifts soon as it is a beautiful day in the USA.
      JAC

  9. I agree with Ray. A demonstration is good and all, but only one will do nothing. This has to continue, and continue often. Once a year will do nothing. Once a month however, will show something. A million man march would be nice again, but considering we all can’t just up and leave our states to go march upon the White House at one time, it’d be more feasible to do this once a month. Make a real show out of it. Something that screams “we won’t back down, this will not be tolerated until this injustice is corrected”. This is what needs to happen in order for the word to really sink in, to everyone across the USA. Until something like that happens, it’ll just be “hey, you remember back a year ago when they had the tea party?” Just a memory.

    • Several speakers addressed this concern during the rally and they gave out a website http://www.aftertheteaparty.com for people to go to.

      While waiting for the shuttle bus afterwards, a guy was on his cell behind me and I think he summed it up pretty well, when he said he had no idea that so many people felt the way he does on so many issues and that he was “pumped” to get going. Now what he (or anyone) will do with their being all pumped up remains to be seen, but I think like many of us have expressed on this blog, when we take the time to educate ourselves, it leads to taking action that we might not have taken previously.

      Just this morning I’ve had three emails from people who had not previously been involved in much of anything political (but were the recipients of many emails from me) and now are asking me for sites they can visit to learn more (like this one). First it starts with knowledge and then combined with action can make a difference. I truly believe that!

      It’s 70+ degrees in Wisconsin today (compared to snow flurries on Monday). I need to get my work done and get outside! Have a great day everyone~

      • Thanks for the link.

      • RWBoveroux says:

        Do you have any information as to who is behind that website. I did a search on the WHOIS database, but all I came up with is a marketing firm.

        • RWB – I do not and as yet have not been to the site myself to check it out. MadMom, as the organizer of the very successful RI Tea Party, can you help us out with any information? Thanks!

    • Jake: Ahhh the energy of youth, how I miss it. Constant demonstrations will quickly create Battle Fatigue and the war will be lost. Organize, organize, organize. Moblilize only when needed for battle.

      We do not need a 2 million man/woman march on D.C.. Don’t let the media and lefty loonies set the definition of “meaningful protest”.

      Constant barrages of letters, emails and phone calls to elected Reps will do much more. That and active fundraising for someone running against the incumbant.

      Quite frankly I hope we go back underground, only to pop up in two years and clean out Congress. Can you hear the talking heads trying to figure out what happened? Doesn’t that sound like alot more fun???

      Stay calm and focused Jake. You’ll burn out to quick otherwise. We need your energy, enthusiasm and obvious skills for the long haul here. Breath my man, take in the wonderful cool air this AM. It carries with it a spring time hint of honeysuckle, lilacs and freedom.

      JAC

      • Quite frankly I hope we go back underground, only to pop up in two years and clean out Congress.<<<<<

        You got to be joking! In 2010 there will be a democrat super-majority in Congress. Then what will you do????

        • Wes

          I didn’t say do nothing. What do you think “pop up in two years and clean out Congress” means?

          I just don’t care if we are on the media’s radar or whether the Left recogizes us. Covert ops man, covert ops.

          Have Faith
          JAC

  10. I heard the Cincinnati Ohio tea party mentioned on out local national public radio station. I would say the coverage was fairly non-biased. It reported that it was going on and what the numbers were but it didn’t seem to be saying anything good or bad about the protest.

  11. Another interesting article on Foxnews.com Read it for yourselves guys.

    The Governor of Texas is saying that his people may want to secede from the Union, but probably won’t.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/governor-says-texans-want-secede-union-probably-wont/

    • If they do, I’m moving to Texas.

    • Ditto!!!

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      What a jackass – political grandstanding

      • esomhillgazette says:

        Yeah. I wish we had a Jackass like that in Georgia. I wish ours would grandstand like that.

      • Texans have a lot of pride in their state Ray.Pride in our country as well but that pride has been slowly dropping as the federal insanity policy has been in effect. We respect people that deserve respect.Gov. Perry deserves respect for what he has accomplished for the freedoms of Texans.The man tells it like it is and doesn’t hold back.He has more backbone than any of the jackasses spending our tax dollars on pork and foreign policy.Look at the number of Texans that attended tea parties before you say he is grandstanding.He represents the Texans the way we want to be represented; as true Americans not socialist wannabe euro politically correct lemmings.

  12. Morning!
    First I would like to say that I am so thankful and proud of everyone here that went to the protests. I was unable to attend because of work. Its being reported this morning that there were over 5000 people at the AZ capital and 18 protests in the state overall (thanks GA for the stats in Lake Havasu and Kingman)!
    US – I watched that CNN video and,wow! I actually found another clip of this on youtube and the one you have has been pared down. In this one she informed the man she was “interviewing” that his “State of Lincoln” was gonna get a bunch of money from the stimulus bill (giggle).

  13. Does this mean there are a few more RADICAL RIGHT WING LIBERALS this morning????? I hope so, because it has been awfully lonely carrying around such a great label all alone. OK…..No one has offered up the answer, and it may be a slow day so I guess I will let you all in on it….

    RADICAL = “Fundamental, Extreme, Thoroughgoing; a person who favors rapid and sweeping changes in laws and methods of government” of course it
    is also “the indicated root of a mathematical expression”. I am not as set on “rapid” as I am on the rest. I like the implication
    that the mathematical term indicates the “root” of the expression, as in we RADICALS are the root of the solution.

    RIGHT WING = This has two parts so lets tackle first the word RIGHT. “Just, Proper; conforming to truth or fact: Correct; something that is
    correct, just, proper, or honorable; just action or decision; the casuse of justice; and (one of my faves) to relieve from wrong”.
    WING, obviously means one of two positions or sides (WINGS). So, I sit on the opposite side or the “right as in correct and just”
    side of the political scale, opposite the left. Which being the opposite is therefore by use of logic, not correct and not just.

    LIBERAL = From Latin liberalis or “suitable for a freeman, generous”, from the root liber or “free”; “not narrow in opinion or judgment: tolerant
    also not orthodox”. The “not orthodox” is certainly me, according to my spousal unit leader.

    Now I must reveal, per the fair advertising rules of the land, that most dictionaris and political pundits use “conservative” as a synonym or at least a word associated with “right” and thus “right wing”. But then they define “liberal” as simply “not conservative”. This of course creates a contradiction for those of us who wish to be correct, just, proper and conforming to truth while at the same time supporting the concept of “freeman” and being “free”. So the whole conundrum is resolved by the first term. After all, everyone knows that we “Radicals” are not good at conforming to illogical arguments.

    And of course all Radical Right Wing Liberals will receive automatic membership in the VDLG coalition, soon to become political party. For those who missed it: VDLG = Very Damn Little Government.

    Be Happy Today…….All Day
    JAC

    • You know, I really like that! Thanks JAC

    • esomhillgazette says:

      JAC, just a reminder that I have already asked for a membership to that Party!

      • Your already in. My pick for SecDef once USW gets elected Pres. G.A. has my nod for Homeland Security, and I am thinking BF for either Sec State or Treasury. Mad Mom has VP slot locked up. That would make her Pres of the Senate. Yeah…..I like the image there.

        Still smiling
        JAC

      • Sorry Esom, got my jobs mixed up. You got Dept of Interior if thats OK. G-man at SecDef.

        JAC

        • esomhillgazette says:

          It don’t matter to me one way or the other JAC! Just “member” of the Party would be fine. You wouldn’t really want me for SecDef anyway. WAYYYY too Bloody!

          • That was the idea becaue I don’t think we would be using military unless attacked. Then we unleash……completely….unadulterated…..to win. Of course I am just guessing that would be CIC’s strategy. If not he loses my vote…..OTFLMAO.

            You guys having as great a day back there as we are?
            JAC

            • esomhillgazette says:

              Ahhhhhhh! It’s a absolutely glorious day in God’s Country. Esom Hill, GA USA!

  14. Kristian says:

    Good Morning Right Wing Loons!!! LOL! Here in Jacksonville, FL we had close to 5000 attend our tea party. It was covered by our local news station. But only one of them and that sation has no network affiliation. The local network stations didn’t touch it. Go figure! I think that Ray and Jake are right though, this is going to have to happen again and again before it makes any kind of dent. We can’t let it go at one. If we let it go now we are no better than those who sit back and do nothing at all.

  15. Hopefully you guys caught my last post…I think this tea party has had a bigger affect than what I had originally thought. Read my last post…very interesting!

  16. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to attend a local rally in Port Angeles, WA due to work, but I have very much admiration for the people there and all over the country who attended these rallies and carried on in a peaceful and orderly manner. That says plenty about the true backbone of American society.

    As for that reporter from CNN, that had to be one of the most disgusting portrayals of journalism that I’ve ever seen, no wonder I watch none of the MSM as they are filled with bias and lies.

    • Larry:

      Just curious, are there any more sawmills or pulp plants left in Port Angeles??

      JAC

      • Morning JAC!
        The Rayonier mill is closed and they’re trying to find a suitable use for the site. Logging is definitely on the downturn since the recession began which means many self employed logging truckers don’t have too much work. Paper mills however are still pumping out newsprint and cardboard however, along with its fine aroma, hahahaha!

        Larry

  17. We had 2500-3000 people at the Providence Tea Party yesterday- the biggest protest in RI history! It was absolutely astounding, and people were upbeat, pumped, and ready to continue the momentum. There were tons of young people and people from across the political spectrum. Even though I had been on every tv, radio and newspaper outlet promoting the tea party for the past two weeks, most of the media had downplayed the event and said that we would get a few hundred people there. People who felt that they were alone in their beliefs now realize that there are thousands of others out there who feel exactly the same way and are ready for stand up for themselves. We will mobilize into a non-profit coalition and spread the word so that we will really effect change at both the local, state and federal level. Here in RI, only one legislator had signed a No New Taxes Pledge in the past year. At yesterday’s event, four more legislators came on stage and signed the pledge. That is concrete, indisputable action that resulted from our protest. We are on a roll and will not be stopped! Here’s the link. http://www.projo.com/news/content/TAX_DAY_PROTEST_04-16-09_CBE21PS_v20.38633fa.html

  18. Hot damn people, I think we might be on to something here!!!! This is so cool!

    • Kristian, What is happening is a great thing! Over the last few days, Many of us have basically been branded with many terms, “extremist”, “radicals”, “right wing nots”, and many others. Your earlier post gave me an idea about all of this. There’s alot of Vets that frequent this site, many of whom were alittle pissed off at the Janet Nobrains and her little report. You jokingly (and I laughed) referred to most of us as “Right Wing Loons”. I believe we could change that somewhat and put some teeth into a brand that many could feel alittle better about. A one letter change would make me feel better. What do you think about “Right Wing Lions”?

      • Sounds like a winner to me! I think if we show them our teeth they’ll figure out we aren’t just going to fade into the woodwork.

  19. esomhillgazette says:

    Atlanta – 15000+

  20. esomhillgazette says:

    I too was unable to attend a Tea Party even though I wanted to go badly! I’m qhite sure I missed an unforgettable event. In Rome, Ga, about 2 to 3 thousand and there were several State representatives who spoke and at least 1 Congressional Rep from the district. There were 15000+ in Atlanta.

    Oh, and don’t worry yourselves. Even as the Parties were taking place, our esteemed Reps in Congress as well as the Pres were busily doing politically idiotic things that will be sure to keep the people thoroughly pissed off! So I don’t believe this furor is going to die down any time soon.

    Peace Brothas’ and Sistas!!! EHG
    Got to go work awhile!

    • I think you are absolutely correct. Even my significant other, who is not the type be outwardly political (sick and tired of the bs/name calling/illogic) was outraged about the lack of media coverage. The only other thing he could find on CNN this morning was some clip of a political “expert” talking about how we are an insignificant minority that is letting our anger get the best of us. He promises that we will go together to the next tea party and/or protest, so please keep me posted!

  21. I have been hearing about another tea party being organized for July 4th. This would be a perfect day for this, as most people are off work.

    • Kristian says:

      That sounds like an excellent day! I’ll keep my ears open for when they do it here in my neck of the woods.

      • esomhillgazette says:

        That gives us enough time to make the next ones HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people! Then let’s see if they notice that!

    • Yes G-Man
      This was mentioned as well at the Columbus, GA teaparty. 7/4/09 we will be heard louder!

  22. PeterB in Indianapolis says:

    Proposal:

    Go ahead and attend your local Tea Parties again on July 4th, 2009 or go to one in DC. BUT…

    StandupforAmerica pre-mid-term election Tea Party July 4th, 2010 Keystone, SD. Watch the fireworks over Mount Rushmore and celebrate American Freedom! Bring your families and enjoy! (We may not all agree that Lincoln and TR belong up there, but I think we can agree that Washington and Jefferson were pretty good choices!)

    Of course, we can’t let anyone know who we are while we are there… we wouldn’t want Homeland Security or any left-wing liberal extremists to exterminate the movement while we are there… LOL.

    Nothing like a little Western-style roughing it under the stars to bring out some rugged American Individualism.

    • PeterB: Was there last year with my daughter. Dad-daughter trip for one week. Got there a sunset on 4th. They told us the fireworks at the monument are July 3rd. They told us they don’t like to conflict with Keystones fireworks on 4th. Anyway, we went to Custer for show then camped on summit just outside Rushmore. Made back in for sunrise on 5th.

      Was our first time in that part of the world and man was it beautiful. Of course last year it was green everywhere we went, including eastern Wyoming.

      I like the idea but it does get crowded there.
      Having a great day hope you are too
      JAC

  23. Bama dad says:

    This is off the subject, but this makes me want to scream. AP news report about Obama in Mexico.

    “Mexico is the main hub for cocaine and other drugs entering the U.S., and the United States is the primary source of guns used in Mexico’s drug-related killings.”

    Is it to much to ask that they report somewhat close to the facts.

    • esomhillgazette says:

      Bama those idiots wouldn’t know a fact if it hit them with a ball bat! To admit most of the guns do NOT come from the U.S. would be to admit that we don’t need more gun restrictions. And you know what the chances of that are!

      • I have not yet seen it reported how many weapons were supplied by the US to their MILITARY, of which, a large number deserted.

        CNN is now reporting machine guns and hand grenades are easy to get in the US, and then across the border. I must have missed the grenades last time I bought ammo, right next to the 12 ga., right?

        • esomhillgazette says:

          If CNN want’s to make that report, then maybe they should also provide the addresses so we can go buy some. I want a SAW, an M4, and a couple cases of Grenades! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! (THAT WAS A DAMN JOKE, HOMELAND SECURITY!!)

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      So what are the facts?

      • Ray,

        Facts are since GCA ’68, grenades, mortars, bazookas and field pieces have been classified as “destructive devices” . They are heavily regulated, taxed and you basically have to pledge your first born to acquire one. Please note. There were no restrictions prior to 1968 but I guess the Black Panthers,, Weathermen, SDS, YAF or something riled up Walter Cronkite enough to get his buddy Sen. Thomas Dodd (daddy of Chris and a crook in his own right) to ram through GCA ’68.

        Machine guns, sawed off shotguns, real assault rifles(auto capability) and short barreled rifles were all banned in the thirties except if they were licensed and registered and a tax paid. This was when the government was afraid of Bonnie and Clyde and their ilk.

        So with the ever deepening shit now moving up to the bottom of the fan blades, we can expect some more interesting legislation to protect????????

        • Ray Hawkins says:

          Thanks for whatever that was SK.

          Bama said the following “Mexico is the main hub for cocaine and other drugs entering the U.S., and the United States is the primary source of guns used in Mexico’s drug-related killings” (relaying an AP quote presumably). He then said “Is it to much to ask that they report somewhat close to the facts.”

          I am asking:
          1. Mexico is the main hub for cocaine and other drugs entering the U.S. – if that is a lie what is the truth?

          2. the United States is the primary source of guns used in Mexico’s drug-related killings – ok – if we aren’t then who the hell is?

          See – here is the twisted logic of you guys – when you talk of the Somali pirates you say things like – (paraphrasing) “go the root of the problem, nuke ’em, cut off their heads and shit down their necks”.

          HOWEVER – if there exists a problem of heavily armed Mexican drug lords using U.S. sourced assault rifles to wage a war against each other, the police, the government, the citizens – and someone has the gall to say “go to the source of the problem” all ya got for me is ‘get the F off my second amendment’? What gives? The strategy is good to unless it applies to you?

          • Sorry if I got that wrong, I thought you wanted a brief run down of gun control in the US over the past 80 years or so.

            You actually answered your own question. Both Mexico and the US seem to agree that the weapons being used by the bad guys are full automatic. This more or less precludes their coming from the US. The weapon traces done so far are on a small percent of weapons that could have come from the US. There have not been traces done on weapons that have obviously not come from the US. New, crated, full auto AK’s for example. Full Auto’s are assault weapons semi’s are not.

            There are the issues of police and military corruption in Mexico. I’ve seen 16’s on TV that probably were a gift to the Mexican government by the US government a few years back. If the ARVN could sell their weapons to the VC when they deserted, what makes you think the Mexican Army is any different? Where do the rest of them come from? Well I guess the same places FARC and Shining Path get theirs, from unscrupulous arms merchants and folks like Chavez interested in destabilizing their neighbors. Drug money can buy an amazing assortment and quantity of almost anything.

            Now, if I assume that you are right for a moment, can I get you to agree with me to wall the border to prevent this gun trafficking? You see, I agree that Mexico is the hub. There is no more need for the French Connection type of importing in the chassis of cars, the border is wide open and our sybaritic society just keeps lapping up those drugs.

            • Ray Hawkins says:

              I don’t know that wall borders are the answers – isn’t tunneling still a major problem as it is in the Gaza strip?

              Of bigger point though is how do we differentiate between guns that fall into the hands of crooks when they were originally given/sold for legit purposes (police forces, military) and guns that are sold by unscrupulous dealers in the U.S.? I’m not opposed to arms sales, but this makes it very sticky. We cannot sell them the weapons then be responsible for their lack of security (least I hope not).

              • Richmond Spitfire says:

                That’s why I like the idea of a wide moat, filled with crocs!

              • It’s actually quite simple, ask for serial numbers. All guns manufactured in the USA since the mid-60’s have them.

                If Washington wants me to believe them, they just have to supply the lists and let the folks do the work. I daresay these days, most computer literate folks can do the tracking.

                As previously mentioned, All fully automatic weapons originated somewhere else.

                The Wall is a good start. Nothing is guaranteed, hell, they can slingshot the drugs over a wall. But, it slows them down to the point where the problem becomes manageable. Don’t you agree?

              • Ray Hawkins says:

                I actually favor legalization but that is a whole different argument.

          • esomhillgazette says:

            I don’t know about Cocaine, but the folks around this neck of the woods, the dopeheads wouldn’t piss on Coke. It’s all Meth around here and they make it themselves in Kitchens and Bathrooms. Or maybe their Barns. Of course though, we have a lot of Hispanic gangs. A suprising amount for a town of 10 or 15,000. But I guess these days that crap is everywhere. Or at least it is around here. I’m sure they import some over the Border too. Since that’s wide open as a peanut hull!

            Maybe Obama is telling the truth. He said today that he thinks we need to better enforce the Laws we already have instead of making new ones. That sounds good to me. What good will more Laws they don’t enforce do? Lock that Border up tighter than a Bull’s butt in fly time both ways. Enforce the Gun Laws already on the books. Enforce the Drug Laws on the books. Ask Mexico if they need some help with those Drug Lords they’re having a problem with. There are other options than more Freakin’ Laws!

            • Ray Hawkins says:

              How about legalizing the stuff?

              • Legalizing what? I don’t think so. Maybe marijuana because it is just like tobacco but anything else…leave it where it is. You think people are sleep now, legalize drugs and you will have zombies walking around for real. But I guess if eveything we dicuss in these posts come to past, we can smoke dope because it wouldn’t be a part of working hard anyways (sacasim).

            • Drug wars…whatever! There is to much money in it for the government to shut those borders down. Prisons is a trillion dollar industry. US, I think you need to do a post on Prisons and Prison reform. This is so much deeper than just the border. If you get rid of drugs and guns, then would there be a need for the prison system? They build more prisons then schools. Did you know you can buy stock? Wake up!

          • “According to William Newell, an ATF Special Agent, during the period of 2007-2008 Mexico sent 11,000 guns to the ATF to be traced.

            Of those 11,000 weapons, 6,000 were able to be traced. Of those 6,000, 90% were traced to the U.S.

            But those 11,000 guns weren’t the only weapons confiscated in that time period.

            In fact, from 2007-2008 Mexican authorities recovered 29,000 guns.

            That means that during that time period (2007-2008) 83% of the recovered guns in Mexico were not traced to the U.S.A.”

            So what’s going on?

            I think that Mexico is blaming the US because it’s easy.

            What’s the truth? Mexico does not know how all of these guns are getting into Mexico.

            Get your facts straight Ray.

            • Ray Hawkins says:

              TexasChem – please reread your own post – I keep reading it and I am confused.

              According to your numbers:
              29,000 guns were recovered
              Of the 29,000 – 11,000 were sent to the US to be traced
              Of the 11,000 – only 6,000 could be traced
              Of the 6,000 – 90% were traced to the U.S. – that number equals 5,400

              The analysis – of the 11,000 sent for tracing, 5,400 were confirmed as US-sourced weapons. That number is 18.6% of the overall total. HOWEVER, the point you conveniently leave out is that of the 29,000 total, only 6,000 were traceable. No – I can be a real liberal jackass and say that, if 90% of the traceable guns were traced to the US then we should assume that 90% of the 29,000 are from the US – but no, I will simply say that your math is waaaay wrong and therefore rejected.

              • The numbers Tax Chem gave are wrong. The conclusion is correct but a digit or two is off.

                Again, it is almost impossible to completely eliminate a serial number without destroying the weapon. The stamping process disturbs the metal 2/3rds of the way down.

              • Ray Hawkins says:

                Does un-traceable (5,000 of the 11,000 above) likely mean we (the U.S.) don’t have record of them? I am not a gun person (shocking) – but I wouldn’t there by manufacturer markings so you can at least tell generally where it came from as opposed to linking it to a specific purchase?

              • Since GCA ’68, they all have serial numbers, even those imported from another source. Most have “made in” stamped on them.

                So, if there are no marks, or if they are full auto, they did not come through the US.

              • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

                Here is the actual math involved:

                Total guns seized in Mexico in 2008 = 29,000. Number of these guns that can be DEFINITIVELY said to have originated in the United States = 5,400.

                5400/29000 *100 = 18.6%.

                Therefore, of all of the guns seized in Mexico last year, it can be PROVED that 18.6% of them came from the US.

                The remaining 23,000 guns either were not sent for tracing or simply COULD NOT BE TRACED; therefore we can say nothing about their origin, because, well, we don’t KNOW.

                You could ASSUME that 90% of these came from the US based upon the fact that out of the 6000 guns that were actually traced, 5400 came from the US, but that would be an ASSUMPTION. We all know what happens when we ASSUME.

                So, what is happening, is that the White House and the Media is using an assumption, and passing it off as a fact.

                Also, 29,000 guns were seized in Mexico, but that is a tiny fraction of the guns that exist in that country. I do not know WHAT fraction, because there is no way to get an accurate number. Of the remaining guns in Mexico that were NOT seized, we cannot say ANYTHING about what percentage came from what source, because we simply do not have ANY information.

                Therefore, to say that 90% of the guns used in drug-related crime in Mexico come from the US is based upon several assumptions using (A) very limited information and (B) extrapolating that assumption to the weapons that were NOT seized, about which we actually know nothing whatsoever.

                Factual enough for you?

              • Ray Hawkins says:

                No – it isn’t.

                I’m no expert on statistical sampling (if someone here is please speak up) – but – if a sample size of 21% was taken and 90% of the sample size showed a condition to be true, I would think it be somewhat safe (statistically speaking) to conclude that the remaining sample population contains that same condition in similar distribution. I think you’re suggesting that to make an argument you must have 100%, or close to it, testing of the sample pool – that (I think) is almost never done in any field.

              • Continued below at # 32

  24. A little of Topic question for Black Flag,

    BF what do you make of the report of China using their dollars to buy large quantities of copper? (this is a short and sweet post ’cause I’m at work sneaking….)

    ;o)

  25. What really made and impression on me was the guy on CNN (sorry not good with names, Caveo maybe, something like that).

    To paraphrase, he was saying how disturbing it was to see an “edge of anger” at the protests….uh, HELLO?

    When folks take the time and make the effort to go to a protest, they are probably a tad bit “angry” about something.

    Of course, since anger is no longer PC, and is a warning sign of “right wing extremists”, he was trying to put that spin on it.

    Forget that anger is a perfectly normal emotion in response to a government that constantly ignores, steals from, lies to, and regularly insults it’s people.

    Even at that, all the coverage I saw on Fox was not of angry mobs anyway. Irritated and determined would be a better definition, I think.

    One other thought: Was anyone turned off by the politicians that are getting on board, as commentators or whatever?

    • esomhillgazette says:

      Dee I think the best way to shut the MSM up is to totally boycott them until they go out of business. Or at least it’s probably the ONLY way to shut them up!

      And no, I wasn’t turned off by the Politicians. At least it shows that some of them are listening.

  26. Several weeks ago I wrote an e-mail to Idaho Gov Butch Otter (as I’m an Idahoan) urging him to not accept money from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. I recieved a snail mail letter from him today, dated April 10.

    He said, “During these troubled economic times, my cabinet members and I have taken a hard look at Idaho’s state government and it’s proper role–which state programs and services truly are necessary to fulfilling our constitutional and statutory responsibilities to the people we serve. It is my conclusion that we must not use one-time federal stimulus funding to grow state government, raise public expectations or satisfy immediate demands for financial obligations that will continue once the stimulus money is gone.”

    Then he urged me to contact the congressional delegation for Idaho as well, which being politically active I have already done.

    So yes, I think speaking out and telling them what we think is neccessary and proper and will make a difference. When is the last time you heard a politician speak about limiting government to the constitution or speaking of the proper role of government?

  27. Just two small tidbits that really humored me.

    Thanks to fox I came across this.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/16/cable-anchors-guests-use-tea-parties-platform-frat-house-humor/


    Brent Bozell, president of the conservative Media Research Center, said the media coverage [of the tea parties] was “insulting,” reacting specifically to CNN reporter Susan Roesgen’s combative interviews with Illinois demonstrators in which she declared that the protests were “anti-CNN” and supported by FOX News. She left the teabagging jokes to her colleagues, though.

    “I’ve never seen anything like it,” Bozell said. “The oral sex jokes on (CNN) and particularly MSNBC on teabagging … they had them by the dozens. That’s how insulting they were toward people who believe they’re being taxed too highly.”

    Both makes me laugh and disgusts me that this was done by are “major news networks” and not the Daily Show.

    And then there was the DC tax tea party where allegedly “a truck was to dump a million bags of tea onto tarps in Lafayette Square.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/AR2009041500943.html?hpid=moreheadlines

    Also humored and disgust that the people who are out protesting wasteful government spending were choosing a form of protest that included buying one million bags of tea. That kinda defeats the whole tea party metaphor: choosing to waste money to buy the very symbol of “taxation with out representation,” not to mention the lack of lack of representation.

    • When reporter Susan Roesgen said “This isn’t family viewing” or words to that effect she must have been talking about her own network.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Maybe she was talking about some of the thinly veiled racist signs posing as ‘protest literature’ at these TEA parties.

        • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

          “Some of the signs at the TEA Party protests were thinly veiled racism, therefore the people at the TEA Parties are all racists.”

          If we were not all taught at a fairly early age that the above sentence is a prime example of faulty logic, then our public, private, and parochial schools ALL suck.

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            I was merely suggesting why Roesgen may have said what she said. “Some” of the signs does not equal all the signs.

  28. Ray Hawkins says:

    Okey dokey – this lone liberal voice of reason figured he’d wait until everyone was done patting themselves on the back to come back and added some rocket fuel to the conflagration. So – I’m watching Keith Olbermann tonight (shocking eh?), and the start showing footage of some of the TEA parties – you know the Taxed Enough Already parties, er – the I hate the black guy in office party, er – the I hate socialism party, er – the ‘this is our grassroots party’ party, er – I know I hate something about that Barack HUSSEIN Obama dude (did ya hear me say HUSSEIN! HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN!), er – the I wanted to ditch work and get my conservative mojo on cause the damn liberal hippies from the 60s shouldn’t have had this much fun. Now – before you flip out – I sayeth many things with a lot of tongue and a lot of cheek. I watched portions of the Whatever Party in Love Park, Philadelphia (that just sounds weird, but oh well). I noticed something interesting – a lot of the folks chanting, or yelling or screaming or bitching – they – looked like me. By me – I mean white guy. White to the white to the white white white. Hmmmm – am I on to something here? I dunno – so I spent more time than I should have looking at online photos of the parties – and – more white. Lots of it. Tons of it. Then I saw the signs – oh the signs:

    I will not grab my ankles

    Tea bags? More like D-Bags

    Obama is not a US Citizen – http://www.obamacrimes.com

    You will change (written under a picture of President Obama with a Hitler mustache)

    Save a watermelon – smash a socialist

    Obama was NOT bowing – he was sucking Saudi Jewels

    (And my favorite one)
    Eradicate Socialism! Abolish the…. army, navy, air force, marines, local police, fire department, coast guard, public schools, center for disease control, FBI, TSA, national highway system, FDA, USDA, national guard, park services and the department of justice.

    So – I know all you folks herein have stated unequivocally that you’re not racist, you not mean spirited, you’re rationale thinking folks that are simply pissed off, want some answers, want some change, want your vote back – something like that.

    So – I ask you – you that went to your local party. Did you see the signs? Did you hear the jokes (I know I did)? Did you snicker at what you read or saw – or – did you do nothing? Did you say – hell yeah! Damn watermelon eater! Or – did you see none of this? Maybe the media made this shit all up. I am curious because – as I asked earlier today and I will put forth again – a party a such with little mission or purpose other than to say “I’m pissed off” has a real short shelf life. It is conservative egg salad – you either love the way it tastes, hate the way it tastes, but know for sure that it can have a real short shelf life if not prepared and cared for properly. So – in addition to whatever names you call me – let me know what you really think – lets hear it – less your moment in the sun becomes another sheet of toilet paper someone wipes their ass with.

    Good night and good luck.

    • So, Obama’s bud, William Ayres, dedicated his little monograph to Sirhan Basher Sirhan. There are shitheads everywhere. Does that mean we tar everybody?

      What percent of the black vote went to Obama, A little reverse racism perhaps?

      The party of the people, with more millionaires, including the Obama’s (now how did that ever happen?) in congress than the Republicans still manage to convince the poor and downtrodden that they have their best interests at heart. Most of the downtrodden are minorities. After seventy years of this “caring” the downtrodden are more downtrodden than ever and thanks to welfare de-reform are more likely to stay that way. But that’s ok, like ancient Rome we need the dependent class to keep the oligarchs in power.

      I like the Edward R. Murrow sign off. I’m actually old enough to have watched him.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Tell ya what – SK – let me help scope this better – I believe that this TEA party concept showed great promise. After years of Karl Rove and Lee Atwater hatred, the Republicans may have finally figured out that the game has shifted and they battle lines have moved signficantly. There are a ton of reasons that the Republicans lost the last election – not the least of which Johnny Mac’s bumbling and stumbling and the Ann Coulter-ish junkyard bitch Sarah Palin. Now – they are figuring out they need different tactics (if you tweet – follow John McCain – he still has relevant things to say – even to us liberals). The big however is when they have a golden opportunity and they start shitting the bed. Democrats get it when they realize they need to tone down (ok, marginalize) the radical left less they shit their own bed – not everyone on the left is on the Move On bus my friend. So trace back your steps, think about what you just had in your grasp, and how you may have screwed it up (or, and good for you – if you can figure out how to improve upon, sharpen your message, get rid of the nut cases (even if it means yourself), and create a sustainable movement). I for one will go put on my hemp pajamas, wind down to some CSNY, and be glad its Friday.

        • Never thought a hell of a lot of Bush or of Rove either. Neither was a conservative no matter what they claimed. Both set the movement back 40 years.

          Don’t see the Bama guy going centrist yet except on Gitmo(close it out and move everybody to Afghanistan) or the war, (call it something else and move it to Afghanistan). Clinton he is not.

          If Rove and Atwater spewed hatred how do they differ from Emmanuel and Caravalle?

        • esomhillgazette says:

          You know Ray; you sound just like that Adam Evanson guy right now. You just don’t get it do you? We aren’t just pissed at Obama. Or Pelosi. Or Frank, Reid, McCain, Specter, Chambliss, or Politicians on one side or another of the Congressional aisle. We are pissed at ALL OF THEM!!! Every flippin’ one!!! Democrat or Republican! Liberal and Moderate or CINO(conservative in name only). President and Congress. Even the Supreme Court is not immune.

          What I’m saying is, if there are good elected Officials at the State or Federal Level, then they are VERY DANG FEW!!! And now that a whole hell of a lot of people have had enough. Seen too much money both printed and blown. See the Deficit climb and climb to astronomical levels. See this Nation that we love circling the damn drain, folks like you and the alleged Evan can do nothing but sit and laugh and throw rocks!

          Well good! That is your right still. I don’t have a problem with it. But please spare us your disparaging remarks and better and smarter than we are tone please.

          While I am quite sure you saw some unpleasant things yesterday, things like that happen at demonstrations. Even when Liberals have their little WELL PUBLICIZED demos, there are a few idiots in the crowd. Funny though. I couldn’t go, so I watched them on Fox all day. I didn’t see what you describe once, though I’m sure you saw them. If you watched CNN or MSNBC, I’m quite sure those few were pointed out specifically so that the whole thing could be dismissed. After all Ray; that’s what they wanted to do anyway wasn’t it? Dismiss it all as a few crazed extremists and crackpots?

          Oh well. I guess you are just as prone as anyone to attack what you don’t understand. And if one thing is certain. It’s that you sir, DO NOT UNDERSTAND. You don’t understand REAL Conservatives at all.

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            Esom – a movement needs focus – what I am suggesting is that rather than a ‘every flippin’ one’ the message should have been sharper.

            I don’t know who Adam Evanson is? Please tell me 🙂

            I’m not just laughing and throwing rocks – I am more David Brooks than I am Thomas Friedman.

            In terms of the extremists at the parties – I only saw snippets of it on the MSM – most of what I saw was on the Internet.

        • You know, help me out here. You’re trying to make a big deal of some signs that you felt were inappropriate, (sorry, free speech in this country – if someone feels there are common factors between Obama and Hitler, they are free to say it) and laying it out that perception is what matters and this may hurt our cause? Then you throw out this junkyard bitch Palin comment? You belong on the Kos or move.on, not here.

          • Richmond Spitfire says:

            Kathy,

            Thank you for speaking up and helping me have the strength to let Ray know that I was upset by his comments. I was planning on just ignoring it, but after reading you post, felt the need to voice what I felt.

            Kind Regards,
            RS

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            Kathy – there may be no help for you but I will try. If you’re okay with thinly veiled racism soiling what was potentially a compelling message from becoming an even more compelling and convincing call to action that would appeal to left-centrists like me, then sure, I guess that is your right. Its folks like me have a hard time swallowing your message and trying to see the merit in it when there are fools dancing around with signs about watermelon jokes and our President while all the WASPs in the crowd look at them with so much as a smirk. They sure as hell are allowed to do such, but your message just went down my toilet.

            Now – my Sarah Palin comments? You do realize that even her own running mate now is not so discrete as to essentially dismiss her as a complete and utter mistake? Here is a shocker – my wife and I were initially McCain supporters. We approached the election much like any other – sort of like – do I want to watch the 2:00 showing of Yentl or the 10:00 showing of Yentl. I initially like Obama but had my experience concerns like many others. When the good Governor of Alaska was brought into the picture, my picture came much clearer. Maybe she can and one day will be an incredible Stateswoman – but she did herself no favors by playing again to the lowest common denominator in politics – the very Lee Atwater-Karl Rove style that turns people off nowadays (kinda like paragraph one of this reply).

            So – I’m not going anywhere. Until I am forcibly removed you’ll still get to read my highly intelligent commentary and insights from the left. 🙂

            • esomhillgazette says:

              I for one Ray, do not want you to go. You are a voice of opposition and I can probably be accurate when I say that US doesn’t want you to go either. The opposition’s voice is what he has wanted to hear. A different opinion is a good thing. (even if it is wrong) sorry. I don’t have a smiley face to put on here. But I’m smiling!

              • Ray Hawkins says:

                I do need to use better words sometimes though – my Mom would slap me if she heard the way I talk

              • esomhillgazette says:

                Your mom sounds like mine!

              • Ray Hawkins says:

                I learned what soap tastes like (before it was considered child abuse).

              • Richmond Spitfire says:

                Ray,

                LOL…I did too…but my lesson was from the babysitter! Yuck, that was nasty!

              • USWeapon says:

                I absolutely agree. And the important thing is that there will be times when we are all wrong. Without someone opposing our thoughts, we will continue to pat each other on the back and accomplish no critical thinking.

        • Richmond Spitfire says:

          Ray,

          I have to say that I am very saddened that you’ve resorted to the a ver “base nature” of name-calling towards Sarah Palin in your Post.

          I’m sure that you aren’t aware of this, but you have now called me a “Bitch”. When John McCain selected Sarah Palin to be his running mate, I was very excited. I totally identified with Sarah Palin and felt that she was my voice…that she in essence was me…A strong woman with a family, with family issues among MANY OTHER things that I believe in.

          If you had called her “Saranut” or “Radical Conservative” or something along those lines, I could swallow that pill… maybe in my head, I’d be annoyed with you, but I certainly wouldn’t be saddened and compelled to let you know that I feel you stooped low and were unjustified in your nastiness on this particular post.

          Of course, you are entitled to call Sarah Palin (or whomever) what ever you want…I’m just disappointed though.

          Kind Regards,
          RS

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            Since I am not required to be fair or balanced I’ll simply say that Sarah Palin was an abominable choice as a veep – I don’t apologize for my choice of words, only that you were offended by them.

            • Why? You say she was an abominable choice, I’d like to know why you think so.

              • Ray Hawkins says:

                I’d really rather not get drawn into this rabbit trail but here goes:

                1. Her astonishingly poor grasp of not just fundamental issues, but her own party position on them;

                2. The complete inability of her to answer a question that wasn’t a softball and not part of spoon fed script of answers (oh – same stuff u accuse Obama of);

                3. Her close ties to potentially criminal behavior (oh – same stuff you accuse Obama of);

                4. The obvious sexism in her being selected;

                5. Her own brainwashing when it comes to book banning (what was it you all were complaining about with the liberal/socialists and brainwashing in the school system? I’m not clear how this was much different)

                Need I go on?

              • Kristian says:

                I’m not trying to bash you, I’m trying to understand. Number one I’ll give you because I think that she should have been better prepared. Number two, not so much, because the questions she was being asked were condescending and pissed her off. She responeded the way we probably would if someone were talking down to us. Number three, what are you talking about? That crap with her ex-brother in-law? She was cleared of that. Number four, I’ll give you that one too because I think that was a big part of the reason that she was chosen. McCain waited until the last minute to pick a Vp and she added shock value. I think had she been given more time to prepare we would have seen a better performance from her. Please refresh my memory on number five because I don’t remember anything about book banning.

              • Richmond Spitfire says:

                There was an attempt by left media to make it look as though she had banned books from the Wasilla Library.

                She DID NOT ban any books.

              • Kristian says:

                Oh, that. Well, she was cleared of that too then. I guess I just don’t understand the hatred that I have seen spewed on this woman. The press, during the campaign and even after for a while, were on this woman something fierce. They delved into parts of her life that had no bearing whatsoever on the campaign. The things that were being said about her family were atrocious. I think that alot of those reporters should be grateful she didn’t get nasty with them…lol!

              • Richmond Spitfire says:

                Outdenting this so that it is readable….

                Yeah..I don’t get it either Kristian…It was either a “hate her or love her” thing….Oh my and that hate sure was visceral! She was treated VERY badly by the liberal media…I think because they were scared to death of her.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Once again, “Some of the signs at the TEA Parties were totally wacko and out there, and some of the slogans and jokes told were totally wacko and out there, therefore all of the entirety of the TEA Parties were totally wacko and out there.” FAULTY LOGIC.

      “Tim McVeigh was a decorated Veteran. Tim McVeigh became a right-wing extremist domestic terrorist; therefore, all veterans are succeptible to becoming right-wing extremist domestic terrorists.” FAULTY LOGIC

      I am not saying that Conservatives never use faulty logic, they obviously do on occasion; however, what I am saying is that Liberals seem to use faulty logic to justify an aweful lot of the premises they come up with. The Sheeple just buy into it, because it sounds logical (even though it isn’t), but let a thinking person question a statement like either of the above based upon the faults in the logic and watch what happens 🙂

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        C’mon Peter – `you’re smarter than this – we’re dealing with perception here. You’re taking bait and going off and eating it. The point I will continually come back to – if there are people either on the fence or unaware – then mixed messages don’t work. Guilt by association is a mother – and only made worse when you either have no crisp message or no message at all. Make sense? Both sides use bad logic. The idiots that showed to the TEA parties should have been asked to leave, but in lieu of a stronger ‘why we are here’, people are left to their own devices to figure out what is seemed ok for the racists and haters to be part of the big show.

    • You brought up a good point. I am glad you brought this up because I didn’t want to say anything because I didn’t want it to come off as me being racist.

      At the Columbus, GA teaparty with over 700+ protestors, I was the only black person there (literally). At the end of the rally, people came up to me because they wanted to know “why is this black girl was here”. Let me tell you why…I have a 2 year old daughter that I am concerned for her future. I don’t want my child to be enslaved although we are already modern day slaves (all of us in a sense). I don’t want my daughter to have to do 2-3 years of community service because it is mandatory. I don’t want illegal immigrants taking her chance of making a fair wage based on her education. I don’t want my daughter not being able to protect herself because guns have been banned. I don’t want Big Brother watching my daughter through a tele-screen (Orwellian).I want my daughter to have some type of freedom.
      I look past the black skin on Obama’s face because we all bleed red blood when the oxygen hits it.

      Confession: Let me tell you, I voted for Obama…I was apart of the grassroot movement…getting people to register to vote, donating money to the campaign, providing transporation on election day, ect. This was the 1st time I actually cared about politics and what was really going on with our government because as the media BW me and the whole world for that matter this man was going to bring American values back. But now that I know what it is…I oppose anything that he stands for. I didn’t vote for him because he was black, I voted for Obama because he gave me HOPE! His rhetoric and charismatic behavior and speeches appelled to me, plus, J. McCain in my eyes was another BUSH.

      I still think Obama is genuinely a good person but the government agenda started before him (Wilson, FDR, and possible before then) he is just carrying it out. Whether a white or black man got in the office (which the governement has already decided who they would bring in to continue to carry there mission; they knew McCain couldn’t pull it off)we would have gotten the same results. This is bigger than Obama he is doing what he is told because he is just a puppet trying to “sale the agenda”. Look at the media choice of words. PDD-51 (please google) he is a dictator…give thanks to BUSH for that. Now the real people that are running Washington, DC are unknown but there power is limitless.

      Do your homework everyone. There are some great post on here but this shit is so much deeper than what the eye can see. If you knew the true agenda of the government, there would be a revolution today! Also, be careful…they are putting these labels on us for a reason!

      • esomhillgazette says:

        Nubian. That was a great post! I for one am glad that you are here on this site!

      • Richmond Spitfire says:

        Nubian,

        I’m standing here with welcoming arms and I embrace you! I too wasn’t involved in politics before this past election. I always did vote Republican though because I felt more aligned to them from a fiscal standpoint.

        You sound like a really smart lady…I’ve been enjoying reading your posts and I think you have a great deal to offer here. I certainly don’t see you as coming off racist. I’m scared too. I’m scared for my children and my parents who are getting elderly.

        In regards to voting for Obama…I think that alot of folks are starting to “get it”, but I fear that alot of folks may not get it in time. I’m caucasian, but would have voted for BO in a heartbeat if I had felt that he was right for our country. Kudos to you for voting for the person, not the color. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that was the case for alot of sheople…what I mean by that is that BO received votes because of his color AND he didn’t receive votes because of his color. It is rather sad, but it is reality.

        I am curious (and I ask this with nothing but respect…and am assuming that you have ties to the black community)….are you seeing others in your community “waking up” or not being happy with the direction that America is taking? Do others in your community understand that the socialist direction is doing nothing more than (and has been) enslaving americans regardless of race or beliefs? My daughter is a waitress and she’s starting to hear discontent from black customers as she’s serving them. Most recently, it has been over the “sin” tax for smoking…which peeves me to no end! I digress, but what the heck is next…Donut Tax?

        I am also curious about your experience with the “grassroots” effort that you supported during the election…I have a million questions about that! Was it affiliated with Acorn?

        • esomhillgazette says:

          RS
          Heard the RUMOR today that NOW they are considering a sin tax on soft drinks. If that’s true,(trying to find out) what’s their next target? Breathing?

          • esomhillgazette says:

            Holy Smokes!!! It IS true!!! Also considered are : Fast Food, Drive Thru, Butter, Fried Foods, and lots of others that are not considered “healthy” for you to eat.

            • Richmond Spitfire says:

              Hey Esom,

              I’ve heard rumors about that in NYC…did you see an article that you can share?

              It’s just all bulldookey (smile!).

              Regards,
              RS

              • Mayor Bloomberg never met a tax or a fee that he didn’t like.

                Your health is very important to him. You must stay alive longer to pay more taxes. This is the man who banned smoking almost everywhere and took the candy/soda machines out of the schools.

                To “save” the subway fare he has repeatedly proposed tolling bridges that have been free since they were built in the 1800’s. That of course is secondary to his goal of creating a “congestion pricing” tolls to enter lower Manhattan during business hours.

                The Mayor also considers himself so valuable during this economic slump that he has proposed and been granted an extention (as well as the council) on the formerly mandatory two term limit.

                For those unaware, the minimum parking ticket fee in the five boroughs is $ 115.00.

        • Richmond:
          Thank you for the welcome! Before I try to be the voice for Black America on this forum I want to give a little history of my background. I was raised middle class. Both my biological parents were in the military. My grandparents raised me because my father overdosed on LSD and had a nervous break-down, and my mother didn’t want me and I seen her for the 1st and last time when I was 12 years old. At one point in my life when my grandfather went to jail, I was in what I call “foster family care”. No one wanted me and my brother so we just went house to house from family to family, until my grandfather got out of prison. My grandparents instilled in me that you don’t get anything unless you work hard for it. Education was always a priority in our house. My grandfather was an officer and my gramdmother was an LPN. I understood the struggle because I watched my grandparents struggle to take care of me and my brother and there 2 kids. Now I know you say Police Officer & LPN, those are great jobs…HA. Skin color matters although we want to believe it doesn’t. I have my Masters degree and only make a little over $32k… I started to work at 14 1/2 years old because there were things that I wanted that my parents couldn’t afford.

          Ok, my point is, I have seen the struggle, I have lived it, I have saw family members on crack…the difference between me and other blacks is that I have always thought outside the box. I wasn’t a product of my environment. Because my grandparents believed in me, I believed in me…that’s the difference. Other black people don’t have this sense of hope, love, and I can become what I want. They believe that where they are is where they will be for the rest of there lives. Sorry I got a lot to say…I will end here.

          Richmond: In regards to voting for Obama…I think that a lot of folks are starting to “get it”, but I fear that a lot of folks may not get it in time.

          Nubian: Honestly, I fear that it is too late now and we as a people are just now consciously waking up. I’ve been awake since 1999 with the lapse or exception of the Presidential election. I was afraid to stand up because my belief is someone of those that are conspiracy theorist. Everything that I was learning got me so paranoid that I stopped seeking the truth. It is so scary what is getting ready to happen.

          Richmond: I am curious (and I ask this with nothing but respect…and am assuming that you have ties to the black community)….are you seeing others in your community “waking up” or not being happy with the direction that America is taking?

          Nubian: Respect taken…Yes and no! Some of us are very conscious of what is going on but those that provide the truth in the black community are considered cults. If I had to give a number I would say about 30% of the black community is wide awake but there movement is silent. The other 70% of the black community is so conditioned or brainwashed by what they see in the media and are so focused on trying to take care of themselves, there families, and trying to stay out of trouble, that they don’t have a clue of what is going on. I try to enlighten some of my black friends but they don’t care, don’t believe me, or think Obama can do know wrong.

          Let me let you in the minds of most black people…black people look at Obama as an idol, someone they can admire, a positive role model! We don’t have many in our ghettos and streets. This is a black male that beat all of the odds in life. This has given all black people HOPE that prejudice and racial means can be discarded and we begin to have an opportunity in the states like everyone else. Not referring to all Caucasians but most think that all black people are lazy, are on welfare, are criminals, druggies, ect…this is the message that main stream media has BW others to believe. Don’t get me wrong, you have a lot that are, but to make this fundamental foundation of black people is simply incorrect. You have to understand, for most of black America, we are born at a disadvantage to all other races…even Hispanics. From slavery to being ¾th of a person, to having not even ¼ of the rights other diverse groups had, to a crack epidemic, AIDS, ect, black people where freed and thrown out to the wolves. Please don’t look at this as excuses this is reality for black people. We had to learn how to be productive on our own with the odds against us and it is the same today. I’ll stop here because I am getting off subject but I think it is really important for us to look at why black Americans are the way they are instead of placing labels on them because honestly, they are a product of there environment.

          “Spreading the Wealth”: Black America don’t want to take wealth from others in order to have it, we just want the same opportunities to gain it which most of us don’t have. 1 out of 3 black males will be incarcerated by 18 years old. The prisons are a joke, rehabilitation…no, prison is a breeding ground; they go in as non-criminals (possession of marijuana) and come out as criminals (learning how to’s from: murders ect). But that is another subject.

          Now I have a question for you: During the election they made it a racial race. Do you think they are trying to put whites, blacks, Hispanics, ect against one another to push their agenda of socialism/Fascism/New World Order (One World Government) and keep us distracted? Think about it…Due to the amnesty bill, Americans are shunning Hispanics away because we fear that they will take our jobs, lower our wages, ect. Hispanics fearful of both blacks and whites because of the amnesty bill. The mainstream media is trying to play on “right-wing extremist” as white supremacy groups that are against Obama and the black community, The black community is looking at the Caucasian community as being racist because they are against there president. Look at this…we are all getting played by the government and the media. All of us, blacks, whites, Hispanic, Asians, ect will need to come together as a whole to bring the change the silent majority is screaming about. This is not going to be easy because we are against one another right now. Just the way the government wants us to be. What do you think?

          Richmond: Do others in your community understand that the socialist direction is doing nothing more than (and has been) enslaving Americans regardless of race or beliefs?

          Nubian: No. If they did I promise you they wouldn’t stand for it. They are looking at this movement as a change for black people because the people hit the hardest from this recession are black people. Extension on unemployment benefits, increase of food stamps, ect. Right now, they are looking at this as temporary help…they don’t see the bigger agenda.

          Richmond: I am also curious about your experience with the “grassroots” effort that you supported during the election…I have a million questions about that! Was it affiliated with Acorn?

          Nubian: No. I had never heard of ACORN until I watched the main stream media one day.

      • Welcome from me also, Nubian. Good to have you here!

        I believe like you do…there is much going on behind the scenes that is really driving the direction the USA is headed. And I have come to believe the government actually promotes racism as a way to divide us and cause distraction. They use many techniques.

        I would have loved to have seen large numbers of black folks at the tea parties, hand in hand with whites, now that would scare the he** out of the government. I wonder how the MSM would spin that?

        I look forward to your comments, opinions, and presence here.

        • Thank you Dee. Your comment is on point. I didn’t read your comment before I responded to Richmond but this is what I asked him in my long extended post…

          Now I have a question for you: During the election they made it a racial race. Do you think they are trying to put whites, blacks, Hispanics, ect against one another to push their agenda of socialism/Fascism/New World Order (One World Government) and keep us distracted? Think about it…Due to the amnesty bill, Americans are shunning Hispanics away because we fear that they will take our jobs, lower our wages, ect. Hispanics fearful of both blacks and whites because of the amnesty bill. The mainstream media is trying to play on “right-wing extremist” as white supremacy groups that are against Obama and the black community, The black community is looking at the Caucasian community as being racist because they are against there president. Look at this…we are all getting played by the government and the media. All of us, blacks, whites, Hispanic, Asians, ect will need to come together as a whole to bring the change the silent majority is screaming about. This is not going to be easy because we are against one another right now. Just the way the government wants us to be. What do you think?

  29. I agree with Ray. You all talk about the wonderful Tea Parties, but the pictures I saw all over the news, including Fox, showed an awful lot of racists signs.

    A few weeks ago, you were all crazy mad about a video showing some kids singing POSITIVE songs about Obama, saying the kids were being brainwashed by their parents.

    Do you approve of the many pictures of kids carrying racist signs saying “Obama = Hitler” and other even more derogator messages?
    Do you approve of this right-wing racist brainwashing of kids?

    Your outrage about the DHS report is equally laughable. Do you realize it was requested by the Bush Administration? As were the TWO reports on left-wing extremists?

    What about the right wing extremist who killed 3 police officers in Pittsburgh a week or two ago? And 4 in Oakland before that?

    You claim to have civilized discussions on this site, but it’s about as “Fair & Balanced” as Fox News…

    • USWeapon says:

      No sir I would not approve of kids or adults with signs that said Hitler=Obama. I attended and I didn’t see the racist signs or the ones you mentioned. If I had I would have asked them to remove it because it wasn’t in line with the message, which was that we are fed up with out of control spending and taxes, regardless of which side of the aisle they come from.

      I didn’t claim to run a site that is fair and balanced. I claimed to have civilized discussions. Are you arguing that we do that? We disagree and discuss, and do so respectfully.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      The media focused on any racist signs that were present, the media focused on any inappropriate comments or jokes that were made, and the media focused on any comments that might be seen as potentially fomenting violence of any sort. BIG SURPIRSE THERE!

      When Democratic groups were burning effigies of George W. Bush and screaming that they wished it was really him that they were burning, the media ignored that, becuase, well, it was George W. Bush, and they felt the same way that the protesters did!

      Now, I am not a Bush-lover. Frankly, I think that many of the things he did while in office were completely idiotic. I also think that Obama has taken nearly every idiotic thing that Bush did, and rather than putting a stop to it, he has magnified the stupid things that Bush was doing 10-fold.

      To justify a tripling of the deficit, Obama says that “Bush ran up the deficit, so it must be ok to REALLY run it up now that I am in charge!” That isn’t “change”, that is just a tripling of an already stupid thing to do.

      The media will focus on whatever will get them the best sound-bites and the best ratings. The vast majority of the people at the TEA parties were average citizens behaving well and exercising their right to assemble. If the media covered it from the angle that 95% of the people at these events were just normal people peacefully protesting, that would have been boring coverage!

      Yes, there were some pretty wacky people at the TEA parties, but they made up a very small percentage. The fact that the liberals take this small percentage and try to paint it as the way that ALL of the people at the TEA parties behaved is shameful, yet totally unsurprising.

    • Todd,

      I missed most of those signs you talk about but I remember the first big anti-war rally in DC run by move on.org. The speakers platform was flanked by an Iraqi flag on one side and a Palestinian on the other. Now unless you knew what these flags looked like you would have missed them because the media did not report that. I assume the organizers thought they would have the same luck as their predecessors who marched the NVA flag down the mall in the’60’s.

      I have no idea of the affiliations of the Pittsburgh shooter. I do however understand that the Oakland shooter was celebrated by leftists in the city. Either your facts are wrong or there is a little disinformation going on here.

      Obama = Hitler qualifies as a stupid sign but racist? How, what’s the link??

    • I missed that pic of a kid with a obama=hitler sign…the one I saw was a grown man….what site is that pic on Todd?

    • TODD SAID: A few weeks ago, you were all crazy mad about a video showing some kids singing POSITIVE songs about Obama, saying the kids were being brainwashed by their parents.

      Todd, I think you need to go back and read that blog again…people were not upset because other people were teaching their own kids anything. They were upset because a public school, using our tax dollars were indoctrinating our kids. Big difference. People are free to teach their children anything they want…..just don’t teach my children your warped ideas with my money.

  30. esomhillgazette says:

    Hi Todd, I guess US is at work or busy right now so let me be the first to welcome you to his site. I watched Fox all day and I didn’t see those signs. But like I told Ray, there are always a few nutballs in any demonstration.

    And no Todd. We were not “all crazy mad” about parents brainwashing their kids to be Obamatons. We were “all very concerned” that the TEACHERS were brainwashing the kids to be Obamatons. Because that’s not their job.

    I also don’t care WHO requested that DHS Report. It’s not about Bush or Obama. It’s not about Pelosi or McCain. It’s about ALL of them. ALL of the Washington Politicians who dion’t have either mine OR your best interests at heart. They are only out for themselves. Interested in intruding more and more into your life and taxing us all into poverty so that we will all be the same. POOR

    And so what if the Murderer of 3 Police Officers in Pittsburgh and 4 in Oakland were right-wing extremists. We jokingly call ourselves that today because that is what you liberals and the MSM have branded us. We are in fact just Very Conservative, Responsible Adults who want the Government to NOT intrude in our lives and want the freedoms guaranteed us in the Constitution. We actually belong to the VLDG Party. (Very Little Damn Government)

    Maybe I haven’t explained it good enough, but I’m not the smartest writer in the world anyhow. US could do a lot better.

    But as far as your last comment. Who ever claimed to be Fair & Balanced? This ain’t FoxNews Dude! We are however, willing to discuss your views with you in a civilized manner. But you don’t sound much like the Civilized Discussion type. Am I wrong? I sincerely hope so.

    God Bless and Good Night to you Todd.

    • USWeapon says:

      Well said Esom. And I echo the sentiment. Welcome Todd. You are welcome to stay and discuss, but there are rules. You have to be respectful and argue with facts. It is a rule most on the left have not been able to abide by so far. Some have though, and I would like to think we are all learning some things from them. Thanks for discussing with us Chris, Ray, Canadian, and others.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      For those of you who don’t realize it, this is a BLOG. This is not a news source. We are all putting out opinions, and hopefully we are attempting to back our opinions with fact. A blog has no reason, nor any responsibility to be “fair and balanced”. A blog is basically whatever the heck the blog author wants to talk about and get other people talking and thinking about. If you think that a blog has a responsibility to be “fair and balanced” go over to Salon.com or DailyKOS and tell them that as well please.

  31. Yes it sucks to voice your opinion as the loyal opposision and be labeled an extremist. But for the last 8 years anyone who said ANYTHING against the admin was said to be a terrorist, told they should leave the country, and their views were paranoid ideas of commie zealots because we did not enjoy terror interogations,warrentless wiretaps, and the suspension of habeus corpus. So yeah it sucks to be told you don’t love your country because you dissent.

    • Skot,

      Come on, you are using hyperbole here. I am pretty right wing, have been for over 40 years and never, ever labeled someone who disagreed with me a terrorist or told them to leave the country. Neither did any of my friends.

      Now, I will tell you, that if you walk in a march against the war as was done during Viet Nam and carry a NVA flag, with a copy of Chairman Mao’s little red book in your back pocket then I think I can characterize you as a traitor and apply the same methodology I would if you marched against US involvement in WW 2 carrying a Swastika flag with a copy of Mein Kampf under your arm.

      Since you are new here, I really don’t want to rehash the argument that absolutely everyone in the whole Goddam world enjoys the protection of our Bill of Rights which I don’t agree with.

      Dissent as much as you want but be respectful and rational.

      • I am not being hyperbolic. I’m glad you are not a name caller, but it doesn’t mean these thing did not happen to me. Bush’s entire with us or against use doctrine states it pretty plainly. Over and over these past years any dissent was met with rhetoric of “you don’t support the troops/country” or accusations of being and/or siding with terrorist. And all I was saying is that these current protesters who are now being treated the same by the current admin are ALSO being unfairly labeled. And knowing how that feels I sympathies and say, well my friend it sucks doesn’t it?

        • Now see, others might get this wrong, perhaps in a frenzy of stupidity they did, but when Bush first did the with or against speech, I specifically thought he was addressing foreign nation states. I stood with him then on this issue and I do now.

          As an American, you are free to take whatever position you want as long as it does not cross into treason and I will argue like hell with you but not name call.

          Finally I re-iterate, the rest of the world does not, under any circumstances come under the protection of the Constitution of the United States or the Bill of Rights. This is some weird new “right” that has come along in the past twenty or so years. If I am wrong, feel free to point out what part of the Constitution it appears in. This also holds true to foreign nationals here as guests or illegally who suddenly get Citizen status by going “feet dry”.

          My apologies to you personally for any sane conservative who might have questioned your sincere dissent. The nut cases, on either side, I can’t apologize for, I would just urge their keepers to increase their meds.

  32. Ray,

    Statistical analysis is not necessary. If you have the firearm in question, you don’t need to analyze it, you can actually track it.

    Before we had all the fancy stuff and computers, Oswald’s rifle was tracked to point of purchase (mail order) within 24 hours. Any imported gun has it’s serial numbers permanently recorded somewhere.

    So if someone is doing a statistical sampling that is not necessary on an issue that involves the “Bill of Rights” I think I can doubt their motive. As my Stat professor used to say, “Statistics don’t lie, statisticians do.”

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Wondering if they gave me decaf by mistake this morning. I guess we come to saying we don’t know what the hell the rest of the guns looked like. It just seems like bs that we cannot ID where they came from – even if they were not US made. Thanks for the info though!

  33. You brought up a good point. I am glad you brought this up because I didn’t want to say anything because I didn’t want it to come off as me being racist.

    At the Columbus, GA teaparty with over 700+ protestors, I was the only black person there (literally). At the end of the rally, people came up to me because they wanted to know “why is this black girl was here”. Let me tell you why…I have a 2 year old daughter that I am concerned for her future. I don’t want my child to be enslaved although we are already modern day slaves (all of us in a sense). I don’t want my daughter to have to do 2-3 years of community service because it is mandatory. I don’t want illegal immigrants taking her chance of making a fair wage based on her education. I don’t want my daughter not being able to protect herself because guns have been banned. I don’t want Big Brother watching my daughter through a tele-screen (Orwellian).I want my daughter to have some type of freedom.
    I look past the black skin on Obama’s face because we all bleed red blood when the oxygen hits it.

    Confession: Let me tell you, I voted for Obama…I was apart of the grassroot movement…getting people to register to vote, donating money to the campaign, providing transporation on election day, ect. This was the 1st time I actually cared about politics and what was really going on with our government because as the media BW me and the whole world for that matter this man was going to bring American values back. But now that I know what it is…I oppose anything that he stands for. I didn’t vote for him because he was black, I voted for Obama because he gave me HOPE! His rhetoric and charismatic behavior and speeches appelled to me, plus, J. McCain in my eyes was another BUSH.

    I still think Obama is genuinely a good person but the government agenda started before him (Wilson, FDR, and possible before then) he is just carrying it out. Whether a white or black man got in the office (which the governement has already decided who they would bring in to continue to carry there mission; they knew McCain couldn’t pull it off)we would have gotten the same results. This is bigger than Obama he is doing what he is told because he is just a puppet trying to “sale the agenda”. Look at the media choice of words. PDD-51 (please google) he is a dictator…give thanks to BUSH for that. Now the real people that are running Washington, DC are unknown but there power is limitless.

    Do your homework everyone. There are some great post on here but this shit is so much deeper than what the eye can see. If you knew the true agenda of the government, there would be a revolution today! Also, be careful…they are putting these labels on us for a reason!

  34. Another reason why I went is because it states in the bible that if we have knowledge and we do not share it, the bloodshed will be on our hands…it want be on mine because I am tooting my horn!

    • Hey Nubian
      Glad you are here….you sound like a very smart lady…hope you have the time to spend more time with us here. I look forward to reding more of your comments.

  35. Kristian says:

    RS,

    I agree with you, i think they were scared to death of her. Here was a woman not afraid to speak her mind and let you know exactly what she thought about things. The only interview that I saw her do that made her look bad was the one with Katie Couric. I think that interview was handled the way that it was just to make her look bad and they succeeded with everyone on the left. That whole thing just left a bad taste in my mouth, especially the way they went after her family. I didn’t see them do that to McCain or Obama. Maybe it was because she is a woman?

    • Or maybe because palin was preaching for family value (ie no abortion, no sex ed in school and abstenance only) while her unwed underage daughter was having sex and getting pregnant. I know you can’t REALLY blame Sarah, but if not the parents fault than who? And since we need to blame the parents, do you really want an irresponsible mother as vice prez?

      • Richmond Spitfire says:

        Hi Skot,

        When I recently saw a news article at FoxNew.com regarding Joe Biden’s daughter doing cocaine, I was annoyed. The children and their foibles haven’t a bearing and should be left alone and out of it. I know when I was young, I did things that I now regret…and I have the most awesome parents in the world. I don’t understand how you can say that Sarah Palin is an irresponsible mother. Unless you are perfect yourself, I imagine you did some things that weren’t kosher as a teenager…Is your mother irresponsible; perhaps your father was?

        Kind Regards,
        RS

        • RS-

          To your question: They aren’t running for office. But yes, perhaps they are irresponsible as I had some great times.

          And about Biden’s kid, I really don’t care about it. I didn’t really care about the former president’s cocaine use, or Obama’s marijuana use. I don’t really care about Palin’s kid either. It was one of the last reasons that I did not vote for her ticket. It’s just ironic and, well, politically damaging. But it’s still not the same with Biden. He did not campaign on a platform of drug reform in the same way that Palin preached christian messages about tradition family values and promoted bush-esque no sex/sex education.

          I was just responding to Kristian’s question and offering my opinion. I felt this was the reason that everyone on the left went after her family, rather than because she was a woman. But I agree with you in that I think their kids should have basically nothing to do with their campaign, election, or actual reign of power of whatever position. I have the same opinion about a candidate’s wife, like with Obama’s wife, which she didn’t see.

          • Richmond Spitfire says:

            Hi Skot,

            I respect your opinion that you feel the situation was politically damaging to Sarah Palin. I personally don’t subscribe to the same opinion.

            When it comes to the POTUS’ or Vice POTUS’ Spouse, I think it does have bearing on whom you vote. This is because the spouse is an adult and will be acting on the behalf of the people of America even if it is at a minimum at State Functions. So that spouse needs to behave and act accordingly. In addition, a spouse does and can have influence over decisions that are made by the POTUS/Vice POTUS. Another point is the the spouse usually “takes on” some form of supporting/pushing a specific agenda that they feel strongly about. Case in Point: Barbara Bush was for Reading / Hillary Clinton was/is for Socialized Medicine.

            One of the reasons that I didn’t vote for Barack Obama was because of Michele and her statement indicating that for the first time, she was proud of her country. On my scale of importance, her lack of patriotism is damning.

            Kind Regards,
            RS

    • Richmond Spitfire says:

      Hey Kristian,

      I believe it is because they (meaning liberals) immediately recognized Sarah Palin as a force to be reckoned with and were determined to bring about her political demise.

      I found it astounding that the National Organization for Women was so down on her…here was a viable chance for the 1st time to have a women at that level and they didn’t support it.

      NOW’s Purpose (from Wikopedia):

      Betty Friedan and Pauli Murray wrote the organization’s Statement of Purpose[3] in 1966 (the original was scribbled on a napkin by Friedan). The statement described the purpose of NOW as “The purpose of NOW is to take action to bring women into full participation in the mainstream of American society now, exercising all privileges and responsibilities thereof in truly equal partnership with men.”

      The current membership brochure paraphrases and expands upon the above excerpt to read: “Our purpose is to take action to bring women into full participation in society – sharing equal rights, responsibilities and opportunities with men, while living free from discrimination.”

      Kind Regards,
      RS

      • esomhillgazette says:

        Don’t beat me up too bad but, Maybe they should rename NOW to The National Organization Of Bitter Old Crones!

        • Richmond Spitfire says:

          Hey Esom,

          I would never beat you up. Personally, I feel that NOW is too Left Radical Leaning for me.

          Hope you have been well.

          Regards,
          RS

  36. After Ray posted last night I went out on the net to see where he has seen some of the disgusting pictures he described. I found some of them all on very left wing sites and were dilberate ploys to make the TEA people look bad. I wonder how many of them were actually left wing plants? And how many were people with absolutly no clue as to what the TEA party was for. But ya know there are whackos in every crowd…..good thing was there was very few. Due to other obligations I had to miss our local TEA party…next time I hope they hold it on Saturday.

  37. Ray Hawkins says:

    Tea Party Organizer Poo-Pooing……………what has become of the Tea Party

    Interesting to note as a post-mortem, and somewhat as I expected. that the Tea Party has spun into, invariably and as described by the organizer himself Eric Odom, as a wasted, Rupert Murdoch-hijacked idea that went from grass roots to politically expedient and thus a great chance likely gone astray.

    What’d I tell ya?

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