The Death of Self-Sufficiency

self-sufficientI have had this discussion with some of the people that I associate with. I was wondering whether I should write a post about it. Then I talked to Revolution2010 the other night and she brought it up out of the blue (we had not discussed it previously). And I decided that I was indeed going to write about it. Much of the problem in America today, in my opinion, comes down to two things, personal accountability and self sufficiency. Personal accountability is something that I have discussed before, and I am sure I will discuss again because I despise the victim mentality that has permeated the American soul. But tonight I am going to discuss self sufficiency, because I believe that the current system does not foster it. And Obama’s plans will unfortunately makes things worse….

Let me start with a little bit about myself that some of you may have assumed about me. Others may have assumed the opposite. And I would like to think that the few of you who know me personally would agree with my self-assessment:

I have a pure self sufficiency mindset. I grew up in a fairly small mountain town (not quite South Park, but close, right Ray and Revolution?). I grew up with a gun in my hand. I was given my first one for my 10th birthday. I used to go out to the woods and spend days out there, sleeping in the woods, living off the land a bit. I could always hunt and fish. I was always pretty good at adapting to life “without the conveniences”. I was handed absolutely nothing. When I turned 16, I wanted a car. I had to buy it myself and I bought a piece of crap Chevy Malibu and spent my time fixing it up. We didn’t have money, but we weren’t destitute. My parents worked hard, and long hours. I didn’t see much of them. 

I was smarter than most kids but I wasn’t guaranteed college. I had to get the grades for it and earn a scholarship or take out student loans. Those were my options. When I left school, I was married and broke. I had to make some decisions because no one was going to bail me out. I joined the military. I did a tough job there, that very few could, and I further learned how to survive in many different ways. I earned everything I got in the military, and I got a lot out of it, including a divorce. I left the military once again lacking money, lacking options, and as Revolution could tell you, with a bad attitude and depressed. I went back to school, I quit because of money and started working a crappy job. 

But I kept working. I stayed single for a long time because I wanted to rely on no one but me (plus it wasn’t fair to ask anyone to put up with who I was then. I applaud those who tried as they all in some way helped me to be a better person). I remarried (to a wife far better than I deserve), returned to school again (can never figure out what I want to be when I grow up). I worked harder. I continued to move up in life. We aren’t rich. In fact we make the same tough decisions in budgeting that everyone else does. But we are comfortable and educated and we live a very nice life. I found my happiness in succeeding despite getting no assistance in doing so. 

jack-bauer-epicBut that doesn’t mean that if the world went to hell in a hand-basket tomorrow, I couldn’t leave all the comforts and survive in a nasty world. I can be 100% self sufficient at the drop of a hat. I firmly believe that I can become Jack Bauer, live off the land, and be happy with very little comforts. Some who know me already think I am Jack Bauer, LOL. I could not, however, ever figure out how to save the world with a pistol and that amazing cell phone he has from Sprint. If the alarms ever go off, the only question is where my family and Revolution’s family will meet before we head off into the woods and make sure our boys (her two and my one, luckily no girls as I think her husband would have a GIANT shotgun prepared for intimidating potential dates) are prepared for what is to come and to lead the charge to take our country back when the dust settles. I am self Sufficient 100%. So is Revolution. So is her husband. So is my wife. And we are raising our children to be as well. We will be fine.

So why this trip into discussing my self-sufficiency? Only to say that I wasn’t handed anything in life. And despite the lack of welfare for me, despite the lack of government programs that helped me (and believe me I was as poor as anyone you have known at one point), despite the lack of a USWeapon bailout, I succeeded because I was self sufficient and didn’t rely on that help. It wasn’t in my make-up to expect that help was coming, so I learned to do it on my own. And unfortunately, that is a quality that is lacking in today’s America. I imagine many of my readers are like me, because I draw those types to me. But look around, it isn’t the norm anymore. And here is the rest of the article explaining why that is a bad thing:

Look back to our founders. These men were some of the most self-sufficient men of their time. There was no free education in their day, but over half of the founders possessed a college degree. Those who didn’t had studied, read, and learned voraciously and possessed an intellect superior to college graduates of their time despite the lack of a degree stating so. The founders were brilliant, driven leaders of their time. Self-Sufficiency was in their genes. That their writings still astound today is a testament to their brilliance. That they formed a country that was based on a man’s ability to live free without government interference spoke directly to the self-sufficiency that they possessed and believed most of those in their era possessed.

homesteadersLook to the following generations that proceeded west to settle the frontier and make new lives for themselves and their families. They took their family, put them in a covered wagon and set our with everything they owned into unknown territory. They had absolutely no one to depend on outside of that little group. Government wasn’t giving them a handout. And they didn’t expect one. They made their choices knowing full well that they would succeed or fail on their own. They caught their own food, or starved. They built their own homes, or didn’t have one. They taught their children, protected themselves, and created a life. Our pioneering ancestors were self sufficient.

Look at many of those who are successful in business today. How many of them are not self sufficient? Correct answer… None. Self sufficiency is a mindset that doesn’t wait on others to provide anything. It is a mindset that says I am wanting to have this happen, so I am going to have to work to make it happen. The leaders in the business world today are men and women of this type of character. Take a look at the profiles of nearly every successful business person you know. CEO’s are self sufficient. Leaders in industry are self sufficient. Those who rise above the status of manager and instead become leaders at your workplace are self sufficient. They make things happen, both for themselves and for others. 

plan-b1Politicians today are self sufficient. I know many of you don’t like to hear that because you dislike them. I am right there with you, but the fact remains that they have gotten where they are because they have a self sufficient mentality. I would argue that unfortunately many of them don’t have a good moral character that would allow their self sufficiency for good, but it doesn’t take away the fact that they are able to self motivate, and then create opportunities to succeed. 

The point is that self sufficiency is not just a good thing; it is a great and essential thing. Without a certain level of self sufficiency, people just do not succeed. They fall into malaise and begin to become more and more dependent on all the people around them who are self sufficient. And that brings me to the point of this article: I am often asked why I despise welfare so much. Because I do, and I would eliminate it tomorrow if I had the chance. And the reason why I despise it is because it creates a dependency on government that slowly eats away at a person’s character and self worth. I dig social darwinism. You adapt or die. Because that causes the self sufficient to continue on while those who aren’t perish.

The one good thing that FDR did with the New Deal was that he didn’t just give away assistance. He offered the opportunity for those who needed the hand up to work for it. Nothing free. This not only got things done to improve the country, but gave those men the opportunity to look their family in the eyes and say “I provided this food for you with the sweat from my brow”. FDR understood that to do otherwise would break the spirit of America. The spirit of hard work, self respect, and self sufficiency. 

end-nanny-stateSomewhere along the way that aspect of welfare got removed. And with it, the soul of those who were less fortunate in America. It was one thing to create a dependent nanny state for many of the poor in need. It was another thing entirely to do so in a way that began to erode the self esteem and spirit of poor Americans. We have become a dependent society; lazy, apathetic, expectant, and above all else not self sufficient. It isn’t everyone, but it is now a majority. And that is scary. 

This has been perpetrated by both parties. It is on fast forward now. Barack Obama and the far left progressive movement in today’s political spectrum would continue to build on the dependency of Americans. They will provide more and more, making society less and less self sufficient. They don’t do it to kill the American spirit, they do it because it gives them control. But that doesn’t change the result of their actions: an America with fewer and fewer self sufficient people. And that is bad.

What our world needs is leadership at all levels. Globally, nationally, locally, and within our families and workplaces. Those leaders are becoming harder and harder to find as each generation becomes more dependent than the last. What our industries need is ingenuity. And that is a trait that is exclusive to the self sufficient individuals. As self sufficiency dies, so does the American spirit and the edge that used to make America great. We often blame the downfall of America on politicians without further understanding how that happened. The downfall in America is due to the decline of self sufficiency in her people. And that self sufficiency was destroyed by government. THAT is how government is killing America. 

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

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Comments

  1. Truthseeker says:

    I am also self-sufficient which has greatly attributed to my success. I never looked for a handout (help is different) and have succeded in life. I worked for everything I have.

    In Today’s world, it is much different with the youth. Mind you I am only 29 but I would be accused of being much older and wiser. I would argue and say the downfall started in the 70’s. People feel entitled and that is exactly what the Government wants. They want worker bees that don’t question anything and don’t have the ability to break away from the hive.

    This will speed the downfall of America.

    • USWeapon says:

      Yes it is interesting that each generation sees more and more “entitlement” behavior in the new generations. Yet none are willing to take the next step and try to figure out why this happens. I submit that it is a combination of bad parenting and a nanny state government.

      • old school says:

        US, your article is so true. My son (step son, I met when he was 12) had that mentality that everything was suppose to be given to him. He was in for a rude awaking.I was brought up believing if you are not willing to work for it then you don’t want it. I also had to buy my own car when I was 17, an old beat up 68 cutless. Anyway, it took me years of fighting, punishing and just tough love to get him out of that mind set. I am happy to say hi is 22 years old now and pays his own way through life. He is going to school full time and working full time. He asks for nothing. The other day he came up to me (I almost cried) and told me “Thank you for teaching him to be a man”. I am the proudest Father in the world.

        • USWeapon says:

          Imagine that… A parent being a parent. I think many of us who were raised by tough parents appreciated it when we were older. We were more prepared for the world. And many of us thanked our parents for being so tough later. I sure hope my son does. He is 15 and still gets mad when I won’t buy him everything he wants, lol.

          • Scott Stitely says:

            US, I grew up in the same town as you and my parents taught me the same kind of life lessons,nothing will be given to you if you want something you have to earn it…thats why I my brother stated the worm business,and I took it over when he didnt want to do it anymore.Kids these days would never do that just to earn a few bucks…

            • revolution2010 says:

              Scott!
              I totally forgot about your worm business! That is sooooo funny! It is good to see you on here. I hope you are doing well! If you aren’t sure who I am you can ask your brother, I went to school with both of you but he and I were pretty tight.

            • USWeapon says:

              Hey Scott and welcome. If only all of us could have been raised in that small town. While I often make fun of it, and the way we all lived in it, since Scott, Rev, Ray, and I were all around the same age, I now look and see that the people I still know or associate in any way with are some of the most tolerant, objective, and self sufficient people I know. Hats off to that tiny town!

              • Scott Stitely says:

                Us , your site and your opinions are very well thought out and I really enjoy reading all of the comments from your many well informed readers.I usually dont comment on many things but you and I pretty much have the same viewpoints so as time allows I will try to become a regular visitor to your site….

                Scott

      • TexasChem says:

        Bad parenting begets more bad parenting in future generations.Nanny state government breeds lazy parents reliant on government generation after generation.A conundrum of monumental importance that means nothing to the younger generations for the simple reason that they were never taught anything different.Of course you already know my stand on why this is happening.The loss of a defining standard(religion) in our society which has resulted in the loss of morals, mores, values of a good nature for the benefit of all, that once kept our nation at the top of its game.

  2. Vinnster says:

    Once again, you zero in on the problem so obvious everyone else never mentions it, but it is a core issue in the downfall of America. I know self-sufficiency (mental and physical) is indeed one of the basic charter traits that brings happiness. Like success, self-sufficiency can be taught and it is tragic that most Americans are taught the opposite by our government.

    Imagine an America where the schools taught classes (starting in the first grade) in self-sufficiency, entrepreneurship and thankfulness for being born in a country that will allow an individual to become anything they wish if they are willing to work at it long enough. It would be a different America where the truly needy (people born with medical problems or folks injured through no fault of their own) could be taken care of properly, but healthy folks considered welfare, in any form, unacceptable. It would be the opposite of what we have today.

    I get into the self-sufficiency conversion often with my Liberal co-workers because I live in an area like USWeapon grew up. Because my work only requires internet access I can live almost anywhere. My co-workers are the same, but they all live in major city centers and with the exception of one are all Liberals. I have a big garden, which I enjoy, but I also have it in case I need it to eat. I have a water source and there is plenty of wildlife if I needed to use them as a food supply.

    My Liberal friends tease me about why I would forsake the wonders of civilization in the city and live where everyone has guns and even more dogs. After a “hillbilly” comment in a conference call I had enough, so I asked them. What would happen to them if something slightly larger than 9/11 happened in their wonderful cities. What would happen to them if they had no power for more that two weeks, or because of fuel shortages, necessities like food and water, could not be delivered to them for a few weeks.

    I answered the question for them. After the first few days it would become apparent there was not enough food for everyone and with no fuel to get out of the city it would become survival of the fittest. I asked them who would be the fittest? Would it be themselves, the self-proclaim intellectuals elites? Again, I answer the question for them. It would be the folks in the worst neighborhoods that would become the fittest. I reminded them, they (the Liberals) had voluntary disarmed themselves, but the folks in those neighborhoods never have. They would be knocking on their upscale neighborhood doors in a few days coming for their food and supplies, not to mention other bad things they might want to do. I then asked them to think about how a hillbilly they just was laughing at would do in a similar situation.

    Self-sufficiency is one of those things that lets you sleep better and know you control your destiny, something our Founding Fathers tried to instill in our thinking by defining a government that reinforced and protected individual freedom.

    Good post USWeapon. Came at the right time.

    • Alliecatkatie says:

      Hello Vinnster.

      I must say that USWeapon’s post and your reply most certainly got me thinking this morning. Even tho all of this talk scares me.. I know that one (should not) keep her head buried in the sand (trying to ignore what is going on in hopes it will not happen) as that is not self-sufficient.

      Even if there is never a misfortune greater than 9/11.. who is to say there would never be another natural disaster like Hurricane Katrina were it would be in ones best interst to be self-sufficient.

      Anyway.. I just started this journey of learning more about my government and what is going on in my world from the encouragement of a dear friend. I have much to learn and I’m trying to do that with an open mind and eyes (now that I have my head out of that hole *smile*).

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

        Welcome! Glad you are here. I highly recommend if you are trying to learn about the Government, use the easy links here to at least read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Neither one is particularly long, and both are actually clearly and understandably written (in spite of what the lawyers and politicians want you to think). Reading these documents if you have not done so before will give you a much better idea of what this country was supposed to be about. Even if you have read them before, read them again. In spite of what some people say, these documents never get “old”.

        I know that for quite a few years now, there is no required reading of the DoI or the Constitution in so-called American History classes anymore, and certainly no discussion of what these documents actually say, so I strongly encourage EVERYONE here to read these documents from time to time, and even peruse some of the Federalist Papers. You get a VASTLY different idea of what the US Government was supposed to be like than you will ever get from any current source.

        Un-burying your head from the sand is the crucial step; congratulations on realizing that your head was in the hole 🙂

        • Jeff in MA says:

          Peter B. I am a history teacher in probably the most liberal state in the union. I want you to know that when I have taught U. S. History and when any of my friends teach it, our students learn and understand the D of I and Constitution. I don’t mean this as an attack but to be heartening. I have seen several more liberal teachers teach the founding documents in the way that the current administration believes they should be read (discarded?)

          As for the topic of self-sufficiency, well said USWeapon. I followed your link here from Fox and this site is as promised very mellow. We live in dangerous times and it will be necessary going forward for those with the knowledge, skill set, and motivation to provide for themselves and those who they care about. This year, my area was hit by a severe ice storm and we lost power for a week in December. In some areas power was not fully restored until early February. (there is nothing quite like a 38 degree bathroom at 500am) I saw in that event my friends and neighbors protect and care for each other and others steal generators in the night. When the desperation sets in, people can be pretty bad.

  3. The mainstream media wouldn’t do it. So we are trying to get your important messages to the American people. 14 This post is a suggested read at, http://aresay.blogspot.com/

  4. Richmond Spitfire says:

    US Weapon,

    A great article.

    My mother and father always told me that “nothing comes for free”. Of course I always thought that they were talking about silly things like an advertisement on TV (buy one / get one free — but you’ll have to pay extra in Shipping).

    What Mom and Dad really meant was that there is a price you pay for everything…the “Free” is the enticement (i.e. worm) that causes you to bite the hook of “Motive”…you bite it and you get reeled in.

    I try to pound this into my kids heads all the time! Each generations’ self-sufficiency genes are being bred out.

    Thank God that I have an extremely intelligent brother who has seen this coming for about 30 years of his 46 years on earth. He started long ago trying to live on the land (we just thought he was kind of weird). He would read Crossfire books, built a teepee in the backyard (we lived in a small Mtn town in the Shenandoah Valley). He would tan deer hides in the methods used by American Indians. What can I say…he was just “different”.

    Somehow about 8 years ago, he was able to convince my parents to purchase a piece of land in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. Mom and Dad put a trailer on it so they could go visit him and live in “comfort” while they were there.

    Anyway, he built a hut on the land and has all kinds of plans to put a water wheel in the stream to create some power to run things like an overhead fan in the hut. Of course, we still thought he was just a little off! Of course, he does enjoy comfort, so most of the time, he does live in the trailer.

    He’s always told me, “Now, Spitfire — Anything happens down there in that icky city, you know where you need to come…bring the kids, Mom and Dad, and any friends”. I just say, “yeah”, just knowing in my heart that the demise of my life as I know it was at level 1 on Black Flag’s Bucket List.

    Just yesterday, I called my brother to a) Thank him for his foresight and b) tell him that I no longer think he is weird — or that maybe I’m beginning to become just as weird as he is”…We shared a good laugh over that. We also talked for about three hours, trying to make some plans.

    He also told me that if something “bad” were to happen, that maybe (this is purely for the sake of my kids — he has none) it would be a good thing…that maybe it would teach them (my kids) some lessons on having to be self-sufficient! He also told me that the rug has been pulled out. That when the time comes, we need to come to him quickly as the city folk will start a mass exodus and small towns along the route will start blocking the traffic as they will be protecting their resources.

    He told me that as long as the region didn’t suffer a drought, that we’d be fine. Guess what, I believe him!

    Best regards to ALL today!!!!

    RS

    • Bama dad says:

      RS

      As Hank Williams Jr. says in his song “A country boy can survive.”

      I am about as country as you can get. I thought my life was one of a kind but now realize that with a few changes USW and I grew up in a parallel universe. If the lights went out tomorrow my family would survive. Got the garden, got the water, got the food stored away, got plenty of wild game and have the means to protect the family and neighbors.

      • Richmond Spitfire says:

        Hey Bama,

        Even though I now live in Richmond, I grew up somewhat country. My father was a sales rep for Bethlehem Steel, so we ‘lived’ the middleclass style of life. Parents did struggle, but made sure that we had everything we needed, plus a little extra. My really “country” friends thought we were wealthy – Mom and Dad weren’t…it was just that Mom was a “city girl” and wanted her trappings and life to be a certain way.

        I think that if we have to defect from Richmond, that my Mom will have the hardest time of all of us.

        On a side note, I have read and re-read (over and over) the “Little House on the Prairie” Books. Even though they had to work hard, they really did have a purpose in life and that was to be self-reliant (they had to) in order to survive. My youngest daughter is now reading the series.

        I know there was some discussion in yesterday’s article about Great Depression…I think alot of people survived the GD because the technology/nature of the time was very much driven by self-reliancy (i.e. farming). I think that a GD during today’s times will be much worse because most people don’t have that mentality anymore…Guess that is what US Weapon’s whole point is.

        It is the dream of my husband and I to eventually be able to buy some land in the country and live a much more simple life. We would have done it before now, but I am in a situation where I have two young children whose father would fight tooth and nail to not permit them to leave this county. Of course, I won’t leave without them — I have 11 years to go until youngest reaches maturity.

        I greatly admire and respect the folks at this site and look forward everyday to the new things or perspectives that I will learn from the people here!

        God Bless and have a wonderful day!

        RS

  5. I grew up poor, but didn’t know it. I was the only one of five kids to go to college. I paid my own way through college working full-time and then earning scholarships. I am the fourth of five kids from an enlisted man in the Air Force. My dad left when I was 15. I had a job at 13. If I wanted school clothes I used my money from my job to buy them. I didn’t expect anyone to help me. Neither did any of my sisters or brothers. None of my siblings has ever been on any type of government assistance. We are all doing just fine, thank you.

    I would struggle if everything went to crap. I do not know how to hunt and I have only fished a couple of times. I would have to rely on someone else to help feed me. That is not a good prospect. If anything did happen, I would probably end up in Texas where I went to school. At least there I would have a chance where my friends do know how to hunt and fish and could teach me.

    I am known to “think outside the box.” Probably because I have always had to figure a way to do what I needed to do. When you grow up being self-reliant you learn how to think. I don’t think the younger generations have good THINKING skills. That’s what scares me te most.

    Nothing aggrevates me more than the intitlement attitude I see today. The world owes you nothing. Get up off your ass and work for what you want!

    Sorry for the rambling. That’s how my brain works…

    • TexasChem says:

      I can walk out my back door in the morning, walk a hundred yards into the woods, lay up and kill a buck by noon, skin and quarter that buck in under ten minutes.Have the backstrap cut into steaks and frying in the skillet five minutes later with some potatoes and chopped onion boiling for mashed potatoes.I can take the grease drippings from frying the steak and make the best damned gravy ya ever had.Walk out to my garden and pick some fresh tomatoe, cucumber and banana peppers to go along with it and have you wondering why you would ever waste your money at Mcdonalds again!

      • Richmond Spitfire says:

        Texas,

        That sounds like heaven on earth to me (except for the onions)!

        Regards,
        RS

      • revolution2010 says:

        Texas,
        Well if things go bad we will be down to help you tend to the garden! I will be happy to run the school for our small gaggle of young patriots when the time comes! It sounds like you live well and understand the self worth that comes from self sufficiency. Too bad we don’t have more of you!

    • Spyder,

      You have everything you need. You have a the right attitude. Hunting & fishing are great skills to have and a form of recreation you may enjoy.
      But that is not the only way to survive. Plant a little garden, even if its only in buckets or pots. Rabbits are a great source of meat, easy to raise, cheap to feed, and they breed like, you know….

      Flag is at defcon 4.9 out of five, I’m at 2/3. Aware, alert and preparing for a storm that may come. Get with your friends, check with your garden store about what grows best in your area (potato’s grow in the ground if its cooler). Figure out what works best for you.

      • Fortunately I do know how to garden, sew, and shoot. I just never had any interest in hunting. I live in Virginia and most of the men I work with hunt. Texas–you could cook for me anytime! I’ll take care of all of the clean up!

      • TexasChem says:

        My dad taught me not to kill and eat wild rabbit until we had a few hard freezes because of parasites.

        Tularemia or rabbit fever can affect rabbits and be passed to humans during any month of the year, its a bacterial disease. You can tell if the rabbit has it because it will have yellow spots on its liver when you dress it.The most common parasite the warbel ( aka wolf worm ) is a bot fly larvae and burrows into the skin of the rabbit.I’ve seen cows and horses get em too.When I was a kid I have seen my grandpa take an old glass coke bottle and place it over the spot where the worm was on a cow and hit the back of the bottle and the suction would pull the worm out!

        Rabbits found with warbels are safe to eat supposedly but I wouldn’t chance it. To keep from getting rabbit fever though, wear rubber gloves while dressing the rabbit and make sure to cook the meat well done.

        Domesticated rabbits are much less likely to have any parasites, or be exposed to the bacteria so as LoI said soups on!

        Not trying to scare ya off from eating rabbits just wanted to affirm as US has stated in his article the majority of people do not know how to be self sufficient.People are used to buying their food at a supermarket already processed.How many would survive if those supermarkets were to suddenly cease to be operable or able to restock their inventory?

        • I know just enough to be dangerous to myself. My father-in-law is raising chickens and rabbits, so I rely on him for a lot of hands on learning. I’ve always known to only hunt rabbits in winter, but was fuzzy on the details.

          I mentioned the potato’s because that was the staple for the Irish during the mini-ice age, while the French were starving because they would only plant wheat. Peanuts might be another food item to consider.

          Enjoying this, learning a lot.

          • My Dad raises rabbits as well. He has 44 at last count, with 4 pregnant females. He raises them to eat or sell.

            • Richmond Spitfire says:

              Hmmm Esom…

              Those rabbits that Dad is raising…In the worst-case scenario, he has the food source, PLUS bartering capabilities!

          • Richmond Spitfire says:

            LoI…I agree…this is fun! Learning alot here too!

            • I’m with you on onions, they make me barf.
              I don’t like .40’s, seems everyone is trying to improve the .45, and failing.
              Ammo cost more than for .45 also.

              Beretta makes some great firearms, but their pistols are thicker than some others,
              making concealed carry in waist band harder. I carry Glock 26 or my favorite is a Baby Desert Eagle, both in 9mm.

              • TexasChem says:

                .357 sig- 1600 feet per second -568ftlbs of force, incredible penetration and KNOCK down power.

                .45 auto- 1225 feet per second -550ftlbs of force, doesnt penetrate cover as well but is such a huge chunk of metal it has KNOCK down power.

                10mm is a good pistol caliber as well for self defense.

                I don’t care for the 9mm because I feel like it is to ammunition dependant for effect.

                All pistol calibers are dependant upon the type of ammunition you use up to a certain extent.I recommend Glaser powerball.

              • Israel uses .22 for their air marshal’s. I think the 10 mm is like the .40, looking to improve on the .45. I think the ballistics are to close to pick a winner, so I looked at ammo cost to decide(didn’t check 10mm)
                and stayed with .45.

                I tell people I like the xtra rounds with the 9mm, if I miss they will likely die of a heart attack.
                I shoot a 460 police qualifying.

              • TexasChem says:

                All the local law enforcement in my area switched to the .357 sig. The .357 sig uses the same casing as a .40 it is just knecked down with a bullet a little larger than the 9mm.The necked down casing makes for a high pressure, very hot -n- fast round.
                My .357 sig clip holds 15 rounds.The pistol is the Smith and Wesson M&P and is made to military spec.As semi-autos go I havent ran across one I have liked nearly as much as it.Neat thing with this gun is you can buy an aftermarket .40 barrel that will actually just drop in.So you have a choice of either firing the .40 or the .357 sig round.

              • Have not heard about that, thanks

        • Man ya’ll are killing me! Fried Rabbit with Fried Taters and Onions, and Gravy and Biscuits! Heck, I’d eat till I exploded!

          • Oh, yeah!

            By the time I was about 12 yrs. old, my grandma taught me how to make rabbit pie. Creamed rabbit with baking powder biscuits on top, baked til bubbling and browned….yuuummmm! Or squirrel pie, in case the rabbit got away.

            At a young age I could milk a cow, churn butter, skin game, butcher a chicken, shoot a 4-10, ride a horse….oh the things we take for granted!

      • Richmond Spitfire says:

        Texas…great point about Parasites in general…I’m going to do some research and see if I can find a book about this to add to my “run” kit’s section on Animal Husbandry…

        On a side note, my brother has calculated out that if you had to eat rice everyday just to survive for a year, EACH person would need 50 lbs of rice for the full year – equating to 1/2 cup of rice per person, per day. Pretty much impossible to keep that much rice on hand and keep it safe for consumption. Besides…I would think I would really get sick of rice…might have to turn to onions, which I abhor!

        • TexasChem says:

          Everyone knows that keeping food cold will help it stay fresh longer…without electricity how would you go about keeping things cold in a warm climate?

          Answer:Spring fed running creeks.I don’t know the exact temp on these creeks here where I live but they are cold enough to have you shivering on the hottest summer day.During the three weeks we were without electricity after the last hurricane we kept our perishables in water tight containers in the creek.Worked fine.

          • We used cheese cloth in addition to the old milk can in the river at Girl Scout camp to keep things cool. I don’t remember the specifics of the cheese cloth method, but I am sure the info wouldn’t be hard to find.

          • Depending on where you are, you could “ice farm”, if you have cold winter months. That is before my time, but from hearing old timers talk, you go to a lake in the winter and cut blocks of ice, store them underground packed in sawdust or straw. You then have a cold room for food and a supply of ice for summer. If you didn’t have a body of water nearby, but had running water from a well, you could just make your ice in the winter (in frames, barrels, etc.) and store it the same way.

        • TexasChem says:

          I don’t know if your “run” kit includes a farmers almanac but it should.That book contains a plethora of knowledge regarding seasonal planting, harvesting methods, planting methods plus good ole country remedies etc..It’s a must have and should be on your top ten list of items to have.

      • When we were kids my Daddy used to be an expert at killing wild rabbits by knocking them in the head with the bottom of the car!! We ate road kill rabbit all the time in the winter! We didn’t any other time because of the wolf worms TC talked about.

  6. CanadianFox says:

    USW, I replied to your #26 post on the “V” post. It explains everything. CF

  7. Correction:

    The downfall in America is due to the decline of self sufficiency in her people. And that self sufficiency was destroyed by government. THAT is how government is killing America.

    Should read:
    The downfall in America is due to the decline of self sufficiency in her people. And the people allowed that self sufficiency was destroyed by government. THAT is how we the people are allowing government to kill America.

    Our current situation is the blame of good men and women doing nothing and remaining silent. While it is never to late the longer we wait the less voice we will have and the fewer people will listen and comprehend. After all it has progressed to the point where anyone reading this blog and a thousand like it are beginning to be discredited by the masses as “right-wing extremists”. I am reminded of that old Holocaust saying, I remained silent and then there was no one to speak up for me…(short version).

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      You hit the nail on the head there! The people did allow the Government to get way out of control, and the further out of control the Government gets, the less power the people have to reign it in again. As we can all see, those of us who are rugged individualists who are (or are capable of being) self-sufficient are now being branded “radicals” and “right-wing extremists”.

      The Federal Government was never intended to become what it is now. The question is, what do we do about it? It seems like at least 50% of the country actively WANT the Government to take over their lives, and are fine with that. Furthermore, it seems like there is nothing that freedom-loving Americans can do to teach these people to appreciate and love freedom, so there is precious little chance of any of them “seeing the light”.

      What do patriotic, freedom-loving Americans do at this point? Have we passed the point of no return already where the Government has grown into a bloated Behemoth so far removed from its original intentions that there is no going back? It seems to me that we may be well and truly screwed since half the population seems to have no desire to go back and no appreciation or understanding of what freedom is.

      I am not saying this to be a complete pessimist, but we here are all pretty darn intelligent folks, and while self-sufficiency is wonderful, what do we do for the rest of the country to at least begin to set things right again? We know that the two major parties do not have our best interests at heart, we know that there is no viable 3rd party at present…

      It seems like there are countless roadblocks to freedom everywhere (as it must have seemed in the 1770s to a lot of folks).

      We can talk (write) until we are collectively blue in the face, we can have tea parties (which I think is a good first step), but where do we go from here? I wish there was a way to re-take control of the education system in this country and really teach our kids things of value again, because for the last 40+ years, our kids have been taught increasingly more worthless garbage.

      As I see it, we have a lot of work to do, but I for one am not sure of where to even begin at this point. It is probably going to take more than my lifetime for America to “right the ship”, but it sure would be nice to see some progress in that direction while I am still around to witness it. Right now, all I see for the most part is “progress” in the wrong direction, and far too many people that either don’t care or are perfectly fine with that.

      • Peter,

        I think the tea parties are a great start. The problem is getting more of the apathetic population aware of whats happening. That is not possible with today’s MSM. The media are actively distorting and even lying about issues and the candidates.

        The tea parties may generate enough attention to bypass the media.
        The revolution will start with information, that leads to the majority of incumbents loosing re-election.

        Your earlier comment blew me away. They no longer read the Dec. of Independence and Constitution? My kids will!!!

        • I read the Cedartown Standard, a bi-weekly local paper yesterday. Lo and behold there was an editorial there about the Tea Parties and the MSM and Politicians view of them. Believe it or not the editorial actually was fair and actually favorable to them. It said that the MSM etc., ahd missed the point altogether. They tried to say it was about taxes, missing the point that they were about the government passing massive spending bills and the massive expansion of government into our private lives. Needless to say I had to pick my jaw off the floor. This editorial was done by a syndicated writer.

  8. The first recorded welfare program was in Ancient Rome. There was a “grain dole” or a “corn dole”. One of the Five Pillars of Islam is collecting of taxes to provide income for the needy, the poor, elderly, orphans, widows and disabled.

    Ancient Jews also had provisions for helping the poor. The term “dole” was first used in the UK during WW1. Meaning unemployed and in receipt of state benefit of state assistance.

    Welfare started in the US in New York in the 30’s. Fraud had become a problem by the 60’s, and a Supreme Court case, (Goldberg vs Kelly )may have led to their budget disaster in 1975.

    The 60’s Great Society gave the nation a steadily increasing welfare population.
    Bill Clinton in 1996 push through the Welfare Reform Act, which reduced the welfare population. Called the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, it gradually forced people off welfare.

    The Economic Stimulus Act of 2009 has done away with the TAFN provisions, which is a primary reason some states are rejecting portions of the stimulus money. It would require states to permanently expand their welfare rolls. Both Obama and Hillary Clinton campaigned on keeping in place the welfare reforms.

    No USW, you are not wrong. Our government is destroying self sufficiency.

  9. I live in the sticks of Polk Co., GA. Me and Bama are about 85 mi. or so apart. Bama, I am right inside GA inthe Southwest corner of Polk, right next to Cleburne CO, AL. I was raised poor as dirt and country as a mountain hillbilly. As a matter of fact I are one! Self-sufficiency is a common trait where I come from. Esom Hill has a Post Office but is not really a town. Cedartown is the biggest town close to us. Piedmont, AL would be a close second. I can both hunt and fish although in the past few years I haven’t done much of it. I grow a garden because I like fresh vegetables. That’s not a requirement right now but at least I know how and do so.

    During the Blizzard of ’93, (Ray and Bama may know what I’m talking about) trees crisscrossed the roads like pick-up sticks. We lost power the first night and didn’t get it back for almost 2 weeks. I could not get out of my driveway for a week and a half. At the end of the snow there was 26″ of snow in my yard. Those yankees out there laughing and falling out of their chairs need to remember that this is GEORGIA and it was MARCH. I don’t know what you call it, but I call over 2 feet of snow and 65+mph winds a freakin’ blizzard! Polk Co., GA was in the direct path, and got the worst of it in the State.

    Anyway, back to the tale. I have 2 wells. One is drilled, and one is dug. Although not used for years the water is still good so water was not a problem, only pulling it out of the well was. I solved that with an old bucket I used to paint with and a rope. We had an electric stove then, but gas heat. We lived in a 80 year old, drafty farm house, so we slept in the living room. Packed all food in the frig in snow. Took racks out of the stove and used blocks to rack them in front of the gas heater. Then put pots in the heat stream to cook food. It took me 2 days to cook a pot of beans, and all day to cook a pan of cornbread in a dutch oven. But I don’t remember us eating better in all our lives than we did during that time. My family lives all around us so we helped each other, and my well supplied water for all of us. I still have fond memories of that blizzard as well as a few bad because of lost work time and all.

    In the city of Cedartown and close in, they had their power back on in 3 days. People further out like me were at the mercy of not being important enough I guess. But my point is that people like me who were self-sufficient and could think out of the box did not have a problem. Others who lived as far out as I did but were more dependent, and some elderly, had severe problems. Did I mention 2 weeks? In the case of the elderly though, people helped them out(neighbors). As a matter of fact, joining together to help each other was the rule rather than the exception. A group of city kids on a joy ride in the blizzard almost froze to death on top of the mountain till one of them walked almost five miles to the closest house. The man of the house, who was known as a mean and cantankerous sort, took his jacked up 4 X 4 up that mountain, got those kids, and took care of and fed them till someone could get them (about a week).

    My point here is that in a disaster such as The blizzard of ’93, or Katrina, or any other, self-sufficient works over government dependent each and every time. If BF’s prediction comes true, we will get to see it up close and personal. If, as CF says, we have nothing to worry about, then I guess we won’t. I say, Better safe than sorry. Besides BF, things are starting to look more and more like you are predicting! LOL

    P.S where do ya’ll get those durn Smiley faces? I want them too.

  10. Richmond Spitfire says:

    I have a recipe to make homemade laundry detergent very cheaply. You can google it–“homemade laundry detergent”. It is a liquid and from what I understand, you can use this detergent in the newer front-loader washing machines…Also, somewhere I read that you should purchase one of those wringing mop buckets for your emergency kit to assist with your laundry…same purpose as the old timey wringers on the washing machines…wrings out most of the water.

  11. Richmond Spitfire says:

    I have a great suggestion for those of you that are not “Country Folk” or Hillbillies as in Esom’s case…

    In August, go to your County Fair (or a County Fair nearby that is a “farming” community). Visit the exhibits and ask questions; visit the 4-H Building…get their literature. Watch these people and ask questions. These people are keeping a heritage of self-efficiency alive and are proud of it!

    Also, remember, your County Extension office is a great resource to answer questions you may have. In addition, most of them have websites with some really great information.

    I think for the first time ever, I’m going to attempt to do some canning on my own this summer. I’m really excited by the prospect and will involve the kids!

    Regards,
    RS

    • Richmond Spitfire says:

      I’d also like to make an observation…

      There are alot of “elitist” type of people in our world…you know the type…they make fun of “hillbillies” or “country folk”. They deride us and try to make us look like simpletons. They make fun of the way we talk. They dismiss us if we don’t have a college education. They are impatient with us.

      Guess what…When the $hit hits the fan, they will be the ones standing there with $hit on their faces. They will be the ones who are coming to us “hillbillies” and “country folk” with their @sses tucked between their legs, begging for handouts and looking to us to lead them, to teach them, to invent fire for them. Of course, being the simpletons that we are, we won’t turn them away, we will share our knowledge with them to help them become self-sufficient…That’s because this is who we are…we are kind people that care about other people.

      Much love to all my fellow “country folks” and “hillbillies”,

      RS

      • I would just love to say that you are on your own with that comment RS. But after stopping and thinking about it for a minute, you are right. I would laugh at their stupidity and say (mimicing Major Payne)”Who’s the dummy NOW! But I would still help them because of who I am and the principles I was raised with.

        • Richmond Spitfire says:

          Esom…

          I was pretty sure that I already knew that about you! You just confirmed it to me! You shore are one of dem thar good ole eggs! And I have nothing but the utmost repect for you because of it!

          RS

          • We call them “Aigs” here RS. And did you see my post on road kill rabbit above? Don’t knock it till you try it!!! LMAO!

            • Richmond Spitfire says:

              To my great misfortune Esom, I am a very picky eater…I wish I weren’t (I hate it), but I am…Note sure I could get past the species of Rabbit to even try it! I’d probably tell you that I could live off my body fat for that meal! LOL

              Sad thing is that I may not be able to be so picky in the future…and have to force myself to consume things that I ‘normally’ wouldn’t…Olly North, I am not!

              Oh, woe for me!

              • Another good meat that is easy to find is Alligator Snapping Turtle!

                It takes a long time to cook to get tender, but well worth the wait! You catch them just like you catch Catfish or with a trap. Just be careful of his mouth! He will bite the piss plumb out of you, and won’t let go till it thunders!!

              • My father-in-law has a sense of humor. He likes cooking big batches of chicken & dumplings.
                One time I was eating some I asked my wife if that was fur in the dumplings. Yep, looks like squirrel. Rabbit is longer.
                Its all good, taste’s just like chicken.

              • TexasChem says:

                My granmother used to cook squirrel dumplings and she would put the skull in it as well and we would eat the brains.Delicious. =)

              • Bama Dad says:

                Trust me when you get hungry that picky eating will leave you quickly. There was a saying in my family when I was growing up, it was: If it walked, crawled, flew or swam it was fair game for the cooking pot.

          • RS, my dad grew up extremely poor. I’m talking barefoot in the Summers and used hand-me-down shoes in the Winters. They ate mostly from things they either caught, hunted, trapped, or gathered.

            Being raised by him was somewhat of an adventure in eating. He actually PREFERRED to eat a lot of that stuff. Since we were raised by him with some things, me and my brother do too. Here’s a short list of things like that. Some I will eat. Some even I won’t.

            Rabbit (love it)
            Turtle (ditto)
            Possum (won’t touch it)
            Squirrel
            Raccoon
            Highland & Water Cress
            Poke Salad (don’t like it)
            Snake
            Wild Boar
            Deer
            Wild Turkey (Not the liquor)
            Partridge Peas
            Huckleberries
            Mayhaws
            Crab Apples
            Wild Onions

            Now with some of this you might think I’m joking, but I’m not. As he’s told me, you never know what you’ll eat until you’re hungry enough!

  12. Great post USWeapon. Much like you I have bust my ass for everything I have. My mother taught me if you don’t have it, work for it, if you can’t get it by working hard, you don’t need it. And that is how I live my life. But I must say that I am not completely self-sufficent. I don’t know how to build a house, I don’t know how to make homemade laundry detergent, I can fish but not hunt, I know how to grow veggies because my mother taught me that, but there are a lot of things that I couldn’t do. Thank you for this post because now I seek to learn the self-sufficent things I need to know for when all this crap hits the fan.

    • Nubian, you have the greatest tools of all for learning self-sufficiency. A smart, capable mind and the internet. And if it hits the fan like BF says, I just told you where I live. Just come and see us. We are more than willing to help those who help themselves!! (EH ain’t real big, so we ain’t hard to find)

    • Nubian!

      Hi there! I did get your response on the other thread, and did not get an answer back to you but….

      What I wanted to say is this….

      It will take people just like YOU to turn things around for your communities, learning to be self sufficient is a first step. One household at a time, one neighborhood at a time, to teach others to have a “can do” spirit and take pride in telling the government, “No thanks, we can do this ourselves”. Get people interested in community gardens, and roof top farming.

      A whole different mindset, one you have been raised with, and one I was raised with (I too spent A LOT of time with my grandparents, thank God for them!). I have qualified many times in my life for food stamps, and various other “programs” and just could not make my self sign up. People thought I was nuts, not grabbing whatever I could get.

      I have a feeling you feel the same way.

      Like Esom says, you really have it on the ball, it is folks like you that can make a difference in your community.

      • If I only can get my community to see past the lies that the media and our leaders are feeding us. It’s sad to say but I have gotten to a point that I want to be silent in my community because I can’t get through to anyone. I hate feeling like an outsider and being called crazy, a hypocrite, ect. I keep marching and tooting my horn because I always think about Jesus. I just wish that my community would WAKE-UP. It’s also sad to say due to me not being able to get through to my community, I am really just focusing on preparing for me and my family. And when I say preparing, we are stocking up on everything (not guns yet) toiletry, non-perishable goods, hygenine products, things for the dog, ect. I love my parents because I talked to them and they have taken heed to what I have said. My father (grandfather) just planted apple trees and pear trees in his yard this weekend. He wants to start a garden but because he lives in the woods where deers and other wild animals and game roam, he is not sure whether it will be worth the effort.

  13. Great postng USWeapon. I can concur with it to a “T”. It really all does start at home, the way we were raised and to be responsible for our actions and also being accountable. My parents had no time for lame excuses or BS. I guess going to Catholic school also stressed that point which I am extremely grateful for, I felt that paddle more than once. It all led to being and thinking self sufficient. If you didn’t have it, you worked and sweated for it and then it became something you treasured. If something is just handed to you, one has much less respect for it.

    Being 60 years old now, I have always been self employed with the exception of two years when I worked for the carpenter union. Being self employed, you either hustle and make a go of it, or snooze, you lose. No time to snooze for me. Having parents who grew up in the depression, motivation was always a key factor to overcoming any obstacle. I think I’ve also instilled that kind of thinking in my four children. The youngest, will be graduating next month from college, with honors. He has also worked throughout and never asks for a thing. Looks to me as though the self sufficiency thing has rubbed off on him too. It sure makes us parents feel good when their child says thank you for being a positive influence on their life.

    Thanks again USW for offering a site that lets us express our views and it’s also a great learning tool as well. I truly enjoy all the comments from ALL the posters here and have learned so much from each and everyone of them. Never too old to stop learning!

    I hope all have a wonderful weekend!

  14. I really enjoyed today’s posts. I feel much better about my situation and capabilities. My life almost mirrors that of USW’s, especially the military = divorce part. Here’s a neat little idea I’ve had to use before. cut a can (beer or soda) so that it opens like a door (3 cuts). open it, insert small candle. You’ve just reinvented the modern lantern. Plus you can hang it up using the pull top!

    G!

  15. Calf Roper says:

    Just another thought for y’all – consider other means of transportation. Fuel may be hard to come by and incredibly expensive. I’m lucky in that I grew up elk hunting in the mountains of Wyoming so I can pack a couple of pack horses with everything I need and set me and my family off on an extended camping trip into the wilderness.

    Horses don’t require any fuel except that which grows around them everyday and you can travel up to 20 miles in a day on them. They can run up to 35 mph and can traverse just about any type of country, including roads that are barred by downed trees. Also, you’re no longer limited to just using the roads.

    Plus, if you’re starving, you can kill and eat them. Just some food for thought. LOL.

  16. Black Flag says:

    People are self-sufficient naturally, and still are.

    However, government action replaces this capability by force.

    The start of the disease was the belief that government could ‘level the playing field’ and provide opportunity for the ‘under privileged’.

    As soon as some people saw that government offered its powers to ‘improve’ one’s situation without their effort, other people demanded the same to be applied to their situation – it’s only fair, right?

    A leveling of any playing field must degrade the top to fill the bottom.

    This creates moral hazards both for those that achieve and those that are benefiting.

    I believe most people are ambitious – we by our nature want more than what we have.

    But if achievement causes pain and loss, one may chose not to achieve.

    If doing nothing offers benefits, one may chose to do nothing.

    But have no fear. The distortions of government are self-repairing. Eventually, everyone is demanding benefits, and no one is working. The economy begins to dissolve, and society implodes and is destroyed. Those that prepare for this will survive and start again.

    • I think we are near the point where we who work and vote, are out numbered by those not working, who are voting themselves more and more “free” benefits. After that point is reached, there will be no turning back.

      • Well LOI, Methinks we are almost there!

        • Just don’t know, about 110 million voted, 280 million population. Think I read about 40% of those who could, did vote. So the available number of voters could blow either party out of the water. The question is, do most non-voters work or are the on the dole?

      • I think that might be a little bit of a misrepresentation LOI. Obama got over half the vote in the US. Unemployment is just under 10%. So 90% of people are working. It isn’t that the people “aren’t working” or even that they are completely lazy, it is that their mindset has been changed and they no longer think their fate is in their own hands. They don’t necessarily feel government is giving them something for nothing. Many of them, more accurately, are in a position where they feel government is leveling the playing field, just as dangerous to freedom, but a different mindset altogether than “doing nothing”. Just a thought.

        • Hard to find the numbers I’m looking for.
          138 million voted, found 57 and 64 percent listed, so which is it? Call it 60 & move on.
          220 mil. are working
          54.4 are listed as disabled
          20 mil. are living below poverty level

          I’m trying to define the question I’m thinking.
          How many people who could vote,receive gov. assistance in any form?
          How many of them did vote?
          I think the gov. plays number games and makes that sort of info hard to put together.

    • “A leveling of any playing field must degrade the top to fill the bottom.”

      Yep! BEFORE government can give anything to anybody, first it has to take it from someone else!

  17. Great post again. After yesterday’s I don’t know if this is dialogue, debate, group think or if I now am blindly following USW, but I have learned so much from my few short months of visiting this site and am grateful to hear of everyone’s experiences and advice.

    It sounds like I grew up in similar circumstances to many of you; my dad was a musician and worked in the restaurant/bar business when he wasn’t on the road. There are five of us “kids” and we while we weren’t poor, there certainly wasn’t a lot of extra money. We always had “generous” Christmas and as a kid, I believed in Santa much longer than my friends, because I felt there was no way my parents could afford to get us those gifts and there had to be someone else contributing! But we were all brought up to be very independent, and all had jobs, paid for college, and never to expect others to do for us. I was so independent that when my husband and I had our third child, we agreed that I would stay home this time as it would make all of our lives easier. We planned and budgeted for it and yet I can’t tell you how uncomfortable I felt, when I gave my notice and now was totally reliant on my husband for everything – my food, the house I lived in, my spending money etc. Now before you start lecturing on my self-worth, my contributions other than fiancial, etc. let me tell you it was all me – my husband never, ever said any of this and in fact, when I finally asked him a few months into my new stay-at-home status if it bothered him to be the sole financial provider, he was shocked that I felt that way. But from my teen years on, I had always contributed significantly or fully for what I had.

    My take is a little different from some of the examples of self-reliance (I’m toast if I have to learn to kill, skin and eat rabbit!) My lunch everyday is a protein shake and while I strongly believe in one’s right to own guns, you’all better hope you are no where near Wisconsin if I decide I need to take this step! Fortunately I have brother and b-in-law that are very good at the hunting and gun stuff.

    But getting to the original post, a comment how we as parents have parented differently. Because my husband and I followed the rules, got our education, good jobs, lived within our means, invested wisely, we live comfortably today – not wealthy, but we are fine. In fact, we probably live “poorer” than what we are – which thank goodness for that. But as a result of our good decisions, we have been able to provide for our children in ways that our parents could not, ie we paid for most of their college (we made them take loans for part of tuition to experience that feeling), they each drive a car bought by us, we paid their cell bills, etc. and today, the two that are out of school have good jobs and our oldest just recently bought his first house. We are proud of them, and yet they still have this sort of entitlement edge to them that makes us crazy and my husband and I question our decisions on should we have handled things differently. Yet to our kids, we are tough parents (they’re not complaining, we just talk a lot about accountability, choices and consequences, etc. etc.) Even today, many of their friends still carry credit cards from their parents accounts to make sure if they need something (gas, that Coach bag, a fun night out), they won’t have to be deprived. Parents just can’t say NO to their kids and I don’t get it. My kids were told at a young age, that the word “no” is not a negative – it’s just another way of saying “I love you”.

    Anyway, this has gone on long enough, but I do struggle, as a member of the middle-class, my responsibility in raising this next generation to be as self-sufficient as our generation.

  18. Black Flag says:

    I thought this comment put the battles on the blog in good perspective.

    Someone asked me “what makes a healthy economy?”

    A simple but profound question, if by “healthy” is meant “good.”

    Ethics are of supreme importance. But whose ethics?

    Where shall they come from?

    To the libertarian, an economy without aggression is a good economy.

    To the socialist, only an economy with aggression can be good.

    To some libertarians, non-aggression is an element of natural law.

    To others, natural law is untenable.

    To some, praxeology is a hope: non-aggression has to be rooted in an as yet unelaborated science of ethics.

  19. Black Flag says:

    http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/a_nation_of_helpless_idiots/

    As long as the majority of the people are so passive as to welcome the government’s false sense of security, it will have an audience to which it can market its duplicitous spin. And when those same people accept the propaganda as meaningful and necessary, they grant it legitimacy and engender its growth.

  20. Ray Hawkins says:

    This posting hits numerous nails on the head. I too was taught to be self-sufficient at an early age – primarily thru trial and error and the Boy Scouts, did several survival camps – living off the land with your bare hands – the town USW and I shared for several years was great for learning and doing so. I have paid my way through college, paid for an MBA and am now paying for my phd. Nowadays I live in what may be described as a Philadelphia exurb, however I live in an older home that gives me fits and keeps me busy. The reason I do not sit all the way to the left is because I do not believe in things like perpetual welfare. The problem I get stuck in is that there has nary been a plan to free from that cycle. This has been touched on very lightly before, but short of yanking the rug how do you do it? What is practical? How do you address the large urban centers that have more than just elitists?

    • Ray, My belief is that there is no way to do it without a major civil uprising from the people who have made it a lifestyle. Welfare has simply degraded our society to the point of no return. The only way for this to end, would be the complete collapse of the dollar and our economy, which has been mentioned here quite often. The system implodes, money as we know it is worthless, therefore, welfare checks are also worthless. Those who are unprepared will parish, those who are prepared will survive and start over. Black Flag makes alot of sense about this. If this event occurs, as some have predicted, a prophecy that I was taught as a young boy will have come true. “God helps those who help themselves”. While I’m not the most religious person, could this be a way of living up to that prophecy?

    • 1. Look at what works in the US and what does not
      2. Apply

      What states have successfully reduced their welfare rolls? How?
      What states have failed to reduce their welfare rolls?

      What schools have improved their students grades and graduation rates and reduced drop out rates? How?
      What schools failed?

      The problem is on both of these issues the current administration (and the previous one)are applying what does not work, and expanding it.

      • My state has instituted new illegal immigrant laws. They don’t go far enough IMO, but they are a start. The main reason they don’t go far enough is the fact that Federal Law will only let us do so much. GA does not allow illegals to obtain free State benefits such as Medicaid, Food Stamps, or Welfare.

        And guess what? Suprise, Suprise! Immigration to GA has begun to fall off! They don’t want to come here where they can’t get all the free crap! The truly amazing thing to me is all the sh!! the State government took from the Feds and Immigration groups for instituting it!

        Polk County has almost been ruined by illegals. Particularly the west side. 95% of them live on my side of the County. As a consequence, Cedartown Schools never meet Adequate Yearly Progress. Yet on the Eastside, where almost none live, they do. On the west side, the Unemployment is higher also. Even though we have most of the industry. Latino gangs in this small rural county are rampant. The “Mexican Mafia” now owns the drug trade. Most DUI’s (not all) in the paper are Latinos.

        Our County government has no money for anything including the School System because we are overloaded with illegals who don’t pay taxes but have to be supported and put through school. We have teachers who’s sole job is to teach their children English. And ours are REQUIRED to learn Spanish.

        And now, they tell us that calling them illegal aliens is akin to calling Blacks the “N” word! We should call them “Undocumented Workers”. Are you freakin’ kidding me?!!! And Obama wants to make them ALL legal? I say not only NO, but HELL NO!

        It’s bad enough to have to support our own sorry ass people. It worse to have to support people who don’t even belong here.

        I don’t blame THEM for wanting a better life. I blame the government for not rigorously enforcing our immigration laws. If it’s not stopped soon both Blacks and Whites will be outnumbered in my County. And it is unacceptable.

    • I can shed a little light….

      Many years back, we had a Republican Governor by the name of Tommy Thompson. He introduced “Welfare to Work”. Prior to this program, Wisconsin was a hotbed for perpetual welfare recipients, as you call them because we were very generous with our handouts with little to no requirements. Many people came to WI from the Chicago area to receive these handouts.

      It was extremely controversial when Thompson introduced this program, but it basically went like this…….

      There were stringent requirements for receiving payments, like you must work a certain amount of hours, your kids must be attending school, the parent must be attending school if not working, etc. Businesses were given incentives to hire W2W (as it became known) recipients, so jobs were more readily available. The recipients were given vouchers for daycare, housing, transportation and food. There was a sliding timeframe, of which I’m not familiar with, for decreasing this assistance. There was also a lot of assistance handed out to attend night school, get GED’s or post HS education. It was recognized that you need to change the thinking (both literally and figuratively) of the welfare recipients. In fact, the national welfare change introduced by Clinton in the mid-1990’s was modeled after the WI program.

      Many people fled the state immediately! The group(s) that were against these changes would do studies to show if the people in the program were moving from the poverty level and no surprise, they were not, so they thought this proved W2W was ineffective. Their flawed logic (to me) was that these studies were done at 6 months, 1 year, 2 years and no, this first group of participants had not yet made it past the poverty level. But the big difference is that they were working for their paycheck (welfare checks) and this starts changing the mindset in a big way. When you become a partner in making decisions on your own well-being and the well-being of your dependents, you start making better decisions. Did adjustments have to be made? Of course, as until the plan is put in action, you don’t know how it exactly will all roll out.

      To me, W2W is a generational, if not a multi-generational program and that is when we’ll know if it really was successful. It’s changing the mindset that you don’t grow up and go on welfare like mom and grandma, you grow up, get an education, get a job and make decisions based on your ability to support those decisions.

      Was it probably rough on that first group of participants? You bet it was and there was loud squawking, about how cruel and unfair Wisconsin was and we didn’t care about our poor citizens. In reality, I believe we did care about them. To me, keeping people on welfare is saying…..”you are no better than this food stamp, this public housing pit”. I believe no one should have to live like that and throwing more welfare bucks at someone doesn’t fix it, but keeps them there. How arrogant of the “leaders” that promote welfare growth. How little they think of the potential of these people.

      But now, unfortunately, a big unfortunately, this current Adm. is doing major damage to this class of people. The Spendulous bill had provisions to incentivize welfare! Un-fricken-believable! It’s been awhile since I read (skimmed the massive masterpiece), it says something like for every $1 the states will increase their welfare rolls, the Feds will give the state $4. Now our clueless Gov. has jumped on this bandwagon and would like to take off the requirement that kids of welfare moms must attend school in order to get payment (I know, I know, we’ve discussed the schools’ teaching and at first, it may seem like they might be better off by not attending, but I think you would agree, that the kind of home teaching these kids would receive, would not be good).

      So, can it be done on a Federal level? Like most things, this should be done on the state level. I do think it can be done.

      As a side note, after Katrina, several people were relocated to Wisconsin and one year later they were interviewed as to how life was going and each was asked what was the hardest thing to adjust to. You would expect to hear answers like, “cold weather”, “having to move away from home”, “away from family”. Over half the people said the hardest thing was getting up each morning and having to go to work (we would not accept them unless they were willing to contribute to their own support). One man said, though, it was the most rewarding thing he’d ever done, and a proud moment when he got his first paycheck.

    • Kristian says:

      Ray,

      I think that President Clinton did that best. I understand the need for welfare as I have personally been in a position where I needed help. I think when President Clinton put limits as to the length of time that a person may receive benefits and they had to be earnestly searching for employment during that length of time. I think that’s how it worked anyway, but the point is, it worked. I don’t understand why it was changed, it worked!

      I don’t agree with a lot of the posters that say cut welfare completely off, there are people out there who really do need the help. But I know that there are people out there that abuse the system badly. Any suggestions on what we do about that?

      • I have no problem with my tax dollars helping someone who truly needs help. Example: An abused mother takes her children and leaves the abusive husband. Help that family until they can get on their feet and support themselves. I would never say no to that. However, the welfare lifers are what the problem is, and that problem is growing. Drug tests, time limits and other restrictions could help, but WE the voters need to get it on the ballot and vote on it. If it fails, so will this country.

        G!

        • Kristian says:

          I agree with you G. I have no problem with people who need help receiving it. My sister in law has Downs Syndrome and she receives benefits, she probably always will. I don’t have a problem with those kinds of needs. But, if the recipient is able to work and refuses, that I got a problem with. I don’t think that welfare needs to go completely away, but it needs a major overhaul.

        • Can those needs be met by private charities, though, rather than govt? It’s just that if something can be provided by private groups it should be. Govt is just wasteful, prone to corrutption and besides if you make one group an exception everybody else quickly figures out how to be an exception. Private charities prevent this.

          • USWeapon says:

            Ah Michelle… you hit on the very reason why I believe in social Darwinism. Government is the problem in helping others. It breeds corruption and waste. Private charity would do the job if the money was back in people’s hands to give to charity. I can expand on the true concept of social Darwinism, but one key is that government being the answer has to stop.

            • And that is how it was done in the past,
              with less waste and more compassion.

            • US….our church feeds hundreds of families each week…..we do alot better job than the government we feed more people per dollar than the government can….if something happened and I could not feed my family….I would turn to the church or family….not the government.

      • K – to clarify, WI’s program is for lifers; certainly not for the people that temporarily fall on hard times nor for the people that are truly unable to work.

      • USWeapon says:

        Kristian,

        I don’t propose that the system get turned off tomorrow, but a massive scaling back and a plan to eliminate it over 5-10 years would work. I was saving the thought for a post on welfare specifically, but I believe that the private charity would more than take care of welfare folks who truly need the help. Private charity would force those who are capable to help themselves.

      • Disgusted in Cali says:

        At the time Clinton established time limits on Welfare, my husband was in the Navy during his last enlistment. Alot of these women joined the military. At first you would think, “good for them! They can learn a trade and be a benefit!”

        What was happening is when they joined they would sign custody of their kids to their parents or somebody else because (at least in the Navy) they had to be available 24/7 and able to be away from home for extended periods of time to fulfill their enlistment contracts. Shortly after boot camp and “A” school SURPRISE parents no longer were willing to care for the kids so mom would get them back. They would immediately get base housing and child care and a cushy job like working in the bowling alley or mess hall never again having to stand watch or deploy for any reason since they had to be home with their children.

        4 of these women in his squadron filed sexual harassment suits against the Navy when the new CO of the squadron took over and actually made them work instead of sell burritos at the store 9 to 5. This event made CNN, Fox News and Newsweek. Reporters would hover at the front gate of the base to interview anyone willing to talk to them.

        Not all of the women were like that and were thrilled with the situation and surprised they hadn’t joined sooner, but the majority I had to deal with looked at it like another freebie owed to them.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        I wish I knew the answer – the welfare issue is very sore subject to me. When I was very small and Dad had just left active duty to work as a DoD civvie (Mom also) we needed food stamps just to be able to feed two adults and three kids – but for a very short time only.

        I recall several years ago in Pennsylvania there was pending State legislation that may have been trying the same thing as Thompson in WI did. While I regretfully do not remember the particulars of the bill, I do remember bus loads of lifelong Philadelphia-area welfare recipients being sent to Harrisburg to protest the bill. I can only imagine who bought their tickets. What I remember most vividly was an older woman screaming at the top of her lungs that this was, and I quote, “legislated genocide”. That completely went up my ass sideways.

        While it must be recognized that there are those who will need help, and maybe a small select class while always need help, but this shit must stop. This is where I open my head and say pour the thoughts in! I like what I have read so far. While I don’t agree with an immediate dump, I agree that any move should be direct, specific and tied to metrics. I am sick of excuses as much as I am sick of half-ass answers that never go to the root of the problem.

        As a final note – this is hopefully an example where I don’t always see things through the same prism your typical run-of-the-mill liberal might. I have strained certain relationships because of people who were close to me went on unemployment comp (they were fired for questionable reasons) – now – rather than try and find new work they sucked the system dry and squatted – why work if they could still draw a check? When the unemployment dwindled down they applied for…….an extension. WTF?

        I have given our good President a huge benefit of the doubt – that I haven’t removed my support yet may be seen alternately as naive, stupid, blind, or patient. I earnestly believed that this guy could implement better governance, better control and remove the wasteful bullshit that is so pervasive in government. I’m okay with some of the social programs so long as the intent is not perpetual. The net net should be less not more, better governance instead of FWA (fraud, waste and abuse). I do believe we need some of the programs such as welfare, but in far more stripped down states.

        • USWeapon says:

          I am with you Ray, and you are right that this is an issue that we need to tackle. I will resolve to do an article on it this coming week so that we can get started on that debate. I appreciate you bringing it up and to the forefront. Also glad you liked today’s article. One of those that I was proud to have written. I felt like it was accomplishing something to get people to see why I oppose welfare so much.

        • A good answer Ray, honest and thoughtful.

        • revolution2010 says:

          I have been reading down and finally I feel I must throw this in. Ray, USWeapon and I all grew up in the same town so I know them and exactly how they grew up. They are both great people and while on 2 different sides sometimes, the common thread is that small communities take care of each other better… perhaps because we all know each other. There is also the feeling that you need to pull your weight. You would be shunned effectively in a small community if you didn’t and that is one big concept that everyone is pasing over. Much of the problems and challenges we are facing are societal ills, not legislative.
          In our high tech world, the government provides things that used to come with looking your neighbor in the face when recieving your weekly food from the food bank. We need to put some humble pie back on the menu. I don’t know too many people that want to kick folks when they are down. Most just want to make sure that when you reach down to help them up, they are not going to try and pull you in the drink with them. I think part of our answer here when people keep saying, but what can we do? What we can do is start becoming hyper involved in our communities in an effort to make private charities and social programs more inviting than just the money. Private organizations come with human support which if done with a true heart is more inviting than the check that leaves the same empty feeling many of these needy folk are wallowing in anyway.
          Just a thought.
          Oh, and one more thing… those of you who believe that most of the politicians out there fighting to “help the dissadvantaged” are puuting stop losses in place for appearances sake. You cannot fund your own agenda with out people who “need” something… Rham said it best when he said that there is no need to waste a good crisis. He hails as one of the leaders of the pack in office and that was very telling to me. The cap and trade laws will hurt the poor much more than the middle class and upper class… the very people they are professing to want to help are the ones who will get the brunt of the boot when it lands. They are fully aware of that, but it is backdoored. The more these people have to spend money on the necessities, the more they will seek further freebies. We should keep that in mind with all of the new legislation that is being passed.

    • USWeapon says:

      Ray,

      Do you think it would be better if I were to write a separate article just on the welfare program and included my thoughts on fixing it, say sometime in the next week? It is an interesting topic and you would certainly have some insight on it.

      • TexasChem says:

        I would like for you to write a seperate article on welfare U.S.

        Even though some of you imagine me to be a merciless far right bible thumping conservative, with the view of my way or the highway;that is furthest from the truth.My religious views are not taken from literal interpretation of scripture.My views are taken in context with the culture at the time the scripture was written.Big differences between thought process in the 21st century compared to the 1st.Big differences in culture and tradition as well.I believe if a person can’t understand those differences and if they take a literal view of the Bible in its entirety versus historical context, then you are bound to make false interpretation.Anyways I got off subject but my point is I think welfare exists as a control method within our society now versus the helpful system of getting one back up on their feet as it was supposed to be.I have an interesting story of the welfare lady in the muumuu dress to share as well!Don’t remember if I have told yall that one yet…

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Please! I think we need answers – maybe something similar to Tommy Thompson.

        Last weekend I spent my Saturday doing a Habitat for Humanity. As some may know part of the deal with HFH is that the eventual homeowner must contribute something like 200 hours to the deal. Get in there, side by side with the volunteers like me, and put some sweat equity into your house. To do this commitment I punted on much needed yard work at my own house, and quality time with my 8 months preggers wife. Half way through the day, as I am sweating my ass off painting and hammering and scraping and, you get the idea; the eventual homeowner decided he’s “had enough of this shit. Let these motherf’ers finish this sheeeat up”. He tossed his paint roller into the bucket, knocked the goddamn thing over spilling paint everywhere and walked out of the house to his buddies waiting in the souped up Civic. My aggressive side wanted to be the first to kick the guys ass in his own house, but reason prevailed and I merely cussed under my breath and wondered, “why do I bother”.

        Tell me then USW, why should I bother in the future?

        • USWeapon says:

          I think he is one that simply doesn’t deserve your charity. And that is my argument for private charity as opposed to government enforced charity. If that HFH were my personal charity I would regretfully inform him that he is on his own and the house is no longer his. One of the social darwin concepts in my head is that not everyone has the ability to “survive on their own”, but a learned skill can be making yourself worthy of charity in order to survive. It may not be as noble, but it would qualify as adapting to the real world, where nothing is really free. You will see me start to address welfare more in Parts 5 and 6 of the series, and then going forward. It is an issue that I think needs tackled sooner rather than later, so that we can start building up those self sufficient genes in people again.

        • Don’t know how you kept your composure Ray. That is exactly the mentality these people have regarding anything that is given to them. No self sufficiency, no honor, no respect, just give it to me.

    • Ray, et. al.,

      This is going to sound very cold but we do need to pull the rug out. Maybe we can do it in a couple or three short tugs but we can’t wait 10 to 15 years.

      cut 1/3 each year for next 3 years, or cut1/5 each year for 5 years, but no more.
      Program remaining after full cuts covers only those who are physically or mentally unable to provide for themselves.

      Dump medicaid prescription drug plan..NOW.

      Extend SS retirement age by 3-4 years and stop indexing cost increases to inflation. Link to fed funds rate, the interest SS supposedly gets for loaning the govt the money.

      I am flying by seat of my pants here so don’t get your tail tied in to tight a knot.

      The FIRST big point is this. If we limit fed spending to 10% of GDP, and spent half of that on defense that would leave us 5% or about 700 billion for helping the trully needy. Of course some of this would be needed for other fed programs not eliminated (park service, AEC, etc). That would also put about 1 trillion back into the economy to be used for job growth and charity. EVERY YEAR

      The SECOND big point is this. We keep talking about keeping this program or that, or part of this one and part of that one.

      FOLKS….WE CAN NO LONGER AFFORD ANY OF THESE OR OTHER PROGRAMS. If we started setting the money aside today to pay off our debt and liabilities (obligations per govt accounting) it would take about 1.3 trillion per year for next 50 years (includes interest of 3%). This is a doubling of the federal budget, before Mr. Obama got elected. Oh Yeah! I forgot that I came up with the 1.3 trillion before the spending spree in Dec-March. Probably well over 2 trillion now.

      JAC

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        JAC – close to agreement there – and I must ask because I don’t know the answer – does it make sense to stop social security now? Pay it out to the poor souls who were led to believe in it as their only resort, but dump it. Thoughts?

        • USWeapon says:

          Interesting question. May be worth writing a post about. I will research and see if there is enough information to do so.

        • In my opinion, this was the correct answer before the explosion of spending since Sept. I would have payed back the money they put in and a match from the Feds. Would have cost some but would be the same as most retirement plans.

          We should revisit the Bush plan. There was a reason they had split the privitization into differing age groups. I am guessing it made both the politics and cash flow work out.

          We also need to remember that it is Medicare and Medicaid that are the biggest killers. And with the I want everything boomer mentality it will be the hardest to fix, unless the country simply has no more money or credit.

          CHIP is another one we could cut in half or eliminate immediately. I don’t know about the rest of the country but most western states could not get enough people to sign up to use the yearly CHIP funds. And that was before the recent increase in CHIP by congress and Obama, which expanded the program to include adults.

          We can privatize SS and put constraints on investment mix. Just think if folks had a 8 to 14% boost in pay if SS, Med and Medicare were dropped. They could buy a home without an ARM. They might be able to afford their own health insurance. Or they might pay cash for general medical and save for crisis.

          Best Weekend Wishes
          JAC

        • Ray

          There is another option to use and it should be used regardless of soc sec. and other programs. Black Flag will have a cow with this as we have discussed it before.

          If we eliminate the Fed Res control on money and their mission of controlling inflation/deflation, then issue enough money to pay off debts up to the point that there is enought cash in the system to allow the economy to function.

          Then limit money supply growth to about 2.5 to 3% per year, to cover real economic growth (population and price indexes). We can then use new money to pay cash for govt services and eliminate the interest expense from the budget.

          Excess money supply can be trapped in banks by increasing bank reserve requirements then releasing as we grow, instead of printing more in the short term. This is to prevent the hyper inflation we will now probably see. This may be the only choice the Fed has to slow inflation now that our credit rating has tanked.

          Just think where we would be right now if we had used those trillions of new money to simply pay off our federal debt instead of some investment banks debt.

          This is why I keep harping on the need to revisit our core values so we know what we need to do to the whole package. The individual pieces like Soc Sec need to be addressed. But if we figure out how far back we want to go in resetting, to the original intent of the constitution for example, then it eliminates many bad alternatives we would otherwise consider.

          I am quite amazed at how many people want to just tweek or adjust or reform, under the same old system of statism, and expect we will solve anything in real terms. Do the same and expect a different result?

          Thought I might as well add this here as it is all related.

          JAC

          • JAC,

            I don’t pretend to have all or most of the answers. I like moving most issues to the states to allow them to try what they think will work. If they fail, like California was going to, let them. The fed. would no doubt move in and take over those programs, and hopefully apply what did work in other states, and then return control to that state.

            • LOI

              Thats it man………….VDLG…..all the way.

              My favorite organizational word………DECENTRALIZATION

              Why we have to keep relearing that lesson is beyond me.

              I think we need a secret handshake or something. How else we going to know our other party members?

              LOL
              JAC

    • TexasChem says:

      Thanks for sharing that Ray, in my minds eye I had you pictured as a far left liberal metrosexual city slicker.Now I have to reread your posts throughout the blogs and re-asses my conclusions!

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Thanks Texas – I needed that! Philly is the first ‘city’ I have lived in/near and it has been culture shock, sometimes good other times bad. I don’t think you need to re-assess – I still have some far out thoughts that I struggle with daily to make sure it all still makes sense to me. But please be assured I was not born with a golden spoon in my mouth. I was raised by a Mom who grew up on a farm, and a Dad who was raised on very traditional southern Baptist values (I know what a switch is) – Dad used to read from the Bible before dinner every night. I tire of reading about how other countries are leaving us behind (China, India, so on) when we have such great potential. I really liked this thread because it gets at some core, in your face look in the mirror issues – issues too many people seemingly don’t have the guts to deal with anymore.

  21. I think that the welfare system has eaten away at our society, no doubt. But I also believe that the people are not teaching their kids how to make on their own. I am shocked at how many kids believe that everything is suppose to be given to them. That is a lack of home teaching! My mom was a single parent who raised two kids working two jobs. She put herself through school and never took assistance from the government. This safety net needs to be taken away from people. Letting people live off the government is killing us!

    • Not the safety net. Change it back to a net instead of a mattress in front of cable TV.

      • Well Said! I have nothing against temporary help, just a permanent living!

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Problem is it has become a net full of glue – too many fall into it and never get out.

        • USWeapon says:

          Very true Ray. And the key to moving forward is to find a way to dissipate the glue. Unfortunately the current plans coming from congress seem to be instead looking to change Elmers into super glue.

          • Not glue, the net has become a trap, not a safety device. I know of single moms who have gotten a job, but had to quit, their welfare was completely cut off, but it provided more support than min. wage. They are not helped to become self sufficient. They are punished for trying.

            • That is why the WI program provided assistance in other areas – subsidies for daycare, transportation, food, education, so that they didn’t move backwards and there were incentives to grow the paycheck as these subsidies would eventually run out.

              • Also businesses were provided incentives to hire; I believe there were different incentives offered, but one method was if the wage being paid was $10/hour, the business would pay $5/the state would pay $5. Good deal for businesses and good for the state in the long run.

    • You might ne suprised at how many yound people have no idea how to work….they never had to. Can’t sweep a floor (have no idea which end of the broom to use) think a shovel is for proping up on and lawn mowers are something the gardener uses. It is truly sad this people do not know how to work. Some actually think you get paid for showing up and that time clocks are just for making sure you get your 8 hours even if you have to stand and watch it go around till you get your 8.

  22. Self sufficiency can be seen in many different arenas – Country types vs City types. Most city types can make it in their own environment, and that includes those who have become the welfare society throughout the entire world. You see, it is not just here in our country – the welfare problem is worldwide in not only scope, but in size.

    Those of use who can hunt and grow crops have sustained the city folk types since the dawn of time. We all have our natural skills that we contribute to the group as a whole. Some of us are very good at being warriors, some good at mediation, some good at preparing food, some at manufacturing things, and that is why we humans have grouped together in tribes and villages since we began. We are all good for each other.

    Unfortunately we have fostered and grown a new kind of person in our quest for modernization – we have created the political elitist. This type of individual has looked upon the rest of us with a growing disdain for quite some time now. And now we must look back into our past history and draw from our ancestors the strength and wisdom to forge ahead and dethrone the political elitist from their ivory pedestals, then keep a vigilant eye out to prevent this type of individual from ever raising its ugly head again.

    You all know where I am going with this – George Washington was right from the gitgo. Get rid of the political parties and force the candidates to show their actual merits and morals. I truly believe that is the only way this country can survive – Exactly how we bring this about is the only question that remains. And yes, our growing out of this quagmire that we are now in will be painful. Just remember what your old Marine DI says – Pain is weakness leaving the body!

    • You guys are having to much fun. I want to play to.

      G.A.: In the spirit of the post and your comment regarding the “political elitist”. I see no apparent use for this new inhabitant of our tribe, if things degrade…….back to my childhood.

      As for food sources, bear meat is quite fine but stay away from the fat and do not eat the liver. Tough to hunt though. A lot easier if you use bait.

      Wait a minute, maybe those poly ticks do have a useful purpose after all..

      Now you just gotta be OTFLYAO!!!
      JAC

  23. I think it’s a matter of people desiring security rather than freedom. Freedom still sounds good to most people but they are afraid of what life would be like if the govt weren’t there to catch them. Of course real security can’t come from someone else–you never know when they’ll pull the rug out from under you. Real security comes when individuals have the freedom to take care of their own needs. Just ask someone from eastern europe or north korea if govt is a good source of security.

    I was raised in a middle class suburban neighborhood. My husband was raised by druggy, welfare recipients. But before you judge us, know that I learned financial independance and self sufficiency. My parents never spent money they did not have, never bought their kids extravagant toys, and taught us to work and value education. My husband made a sharp departure from his parents life style, served ten years in the US Army and now drives truck making local deliveries.

    We homeschool our kids (6 boys) and 4 years ago bought ten acres in North Idaho. I’m the world’s worst gardener, but I keep trying. I know how to can and dry food and we’ve had a years supply of food storage for a long time. We’ve never owned a gun. Not because we’re against them or anything, but I’ve just never been interested. Until recently that is. You know when someone tells me “you can’t” or “you shouldn’t” I have an irresistable urge to do the very thing they forbid.

    Carla Emery’s book “The Encyclopedia of Country Living” is a great resource for how to do everything country. Also, if you have any Mormon friends they can hook you up with getting bulk food storage items at discount prices.

  24. USWeapon says:

    One quick caveat to all the conversations happening this morning. I appreciate that so many are starting to think in terms of self sufficiency. That was the intent, although in the end all the articles I write will come together to show a path forward for our country… I hope.

    The one point I want to make is that I didn’t necessarily intend for the post to make people feel as though they have to prepare for a giant coming disaster. While it is definitely a good thing to be prepared for those kind of events, my intent was to discuss self sufficiency at a higher level.

    Take away the disaster portion of the conversation and the premise still sticks. Being self sufficient in your own life doesn’t always equal survival skills for the apocolypse. It is really a mentality that applies to EVERY aspect of life. In my self sufficient mindset, I can survive the apocolypse, but more importantly I can excel when there is no crisis. My self sufficiency was mindset that allowed me to excel and survive in a military career that was prone to putting me in harms way. But it also helped me to excel in school, in sports, in personal relationships, in work, in life. A self sufficient mindset is not just a way to prepare for the worst, it is a mindset that helps you in every way when the worst isn’t here. I sleep better knowing that my self sufficient mindset will help me survive the apocolypse. I also sleep better because my self sufficient mindset got me to a point in life where I could afford a tempurpedic memory foam bed. Does that make sense?

    We don’t just need to teach each other to be self sufficient in terms of surviving the worst. We need to teach each other self sufficiency as a mindset that causes us to excel during the best of times.

    • Black Flag says:

      Homerun, USWep.

      Everything you need to survive and thrive is inside of yourself already.

      Just have to get the mind in gear, and have confidence that you can figure things out.

      Remember, your existence is incredibly improbable. You are the result of incredible skill and luck – any of your parents or grandparents ‘not winning the battle of life’ and you wouldn’t be here. They obviously won their battles.

      You, as you are, is the result of successful ancestors. You have been ‘Darwined’ for survival – and more – for prosperity too!

    • I'm learning! says:

      USW:

      Thanks for the awesome website. I have been reading it for the past couple of months and am amazed at what I have learned. This is the first time I posted. I understand your intent of this posting. I spent many years with “my head in the sand”. I always voted republican but didn’t realize how many liberal thoughts I had until the past few months. I have awakened to a reality. I decided to change that mindset in a hurry. And maybe in the future I might elaborate on that more on that.

      Over the years, I learned to be self sufficient. It might be the small town mentality, but when we have a tornado, flood, blizzard with monster snow drifts, or whatever happen. We just dig in and take care of it. I am amazed at watching metro areas cry over not being rescued fast enough from the hurricane or warned soon enough about a tornado. But beyond surviving nature, I do fear another terrorist attack. I fear that it won’t be as obvious as a plane in a building. I fear an attack on our power system. What can cripple us faster? I won’t even be able to read you’re posting every day! No more online banking or ordering. I work for corporate America. The work that 5 of us do in our department would take 30 if we didn’t have our computer. I am afraid it would take this country to its knees. Everything from banking to buying food at the grocery store is online in some way. On the up side, I guess, the unemployed will have things to do….

      I live in rural America. Grew up on the farm. Had hours of chores every night with no allowance. My mom taught me to can fruits, vegetables, and meat. I hated it when I was a kid, but have done it for years as an adult. I just love the flavor of my own home made food! I live in a small town (pop a little over 300). We don’t own any livestock because of it. But we get our beef, pork and can get poultry from farmer friends butchered locally from a small town butcher. Nothing tastes better than fresh meat.

      I naturally stock up on food. I have a pantry in the kitchen that I stock from my basement pantry, which is stocked with home grown fruits, meats and veges and “bulk buying” at the store. I keep a 2 year supply of home canned foods just in case weather or insects causes me to not get a crop of something one summer. I never bought food in bulk because I believed in a doomsday, I just did because I only want to go to the store to buy my perishables for the week and stock up on whatever is on sale. I hate having to stop at the store every day, and end up saving money in the long run buying 30 lbs of flour on sale this week instead of 5 lbs on sale this week and another 25 lbs not on sale. However, I am beginning to think my 100 feet of shelving (not completely full of food, but I bet at least ¾’s of it is) in my basement “fruit room” could be beneficial to survival someday. I do this on top of working full time. Our son is learning to live the same way from us. He is a great kid for a teenager! I know a lot, but am afraid I will need to learn more. I love to camp outside; I have cast iron cookware, dutch ovens, etc to cook with. I learned that more as a fun hobby. I think if the worst happens, I have a chance to survive! At least I can give it my best shot! However, any information anyone has on learning to survive might be a great idea for your “things to read” section.

      Thanks for this incredible website. I can relate to all of you more “common folks” and you are drastically more intelligent than I am. Everybody from “black flag” to “Chris” have taught me things. I just know I won’t be posting nearly as often as many of you do due to time restraints, but do have something to bring up in at some point in the future I would like to get your perspective on.

      • Hey “I’m Learning” welcome to the site…glad you are here. I look forward to learning from you….y canning is rusty…been years since I did that…ut since I am moving back to the farm….I might need your help!

        • I'm learning says:

          I have some recipes I use, but my “bible” is the ball blue book. It tells you how to make just about everything!

      • TexasChem says:

        I’mlearning asked:
        I fear an attack on our power system. What can cripple us faster?

        You hit the nail square on the head.Electro magnetic pulse.One well placed nuclear device placed in the stratosphere above Nebraska would wipe out the entire Power grid of 3/4 of the United States.It would be catastrophic in my opinion.Based on my experiences with short term power loss due to hurricanes I could not imagine the entire nation being without communication or electricity for an extended period of time.No electrical device would work.It would be many years before the nation recovered.This is a very plausible scenario due to the nuclear capabilities of some countries supporting Jihadist terror organizations coming to nuclear maturity in the middle east.I would be more worried of that scenario than an actual city being destroyed.

    • Perhaps everyone is reflecting their state of mind at the moment!

      Besides, it has made for some ligt and enlightening reading today.

      Nice break after couple days of straining the brain.

      On the serious side, it is our self worth that govt kills. It destroys our ability to reason in a way that is needed for our survival. This leads to dependency through destruction of motivation, desire, dreams, desire to live.

      JAC

  25. hey there, thanks and some great info
    i was looking for it, also in my blog yoore i want to put some stuff on it
    thanks anyway

  26. Reading all these posts made me so thankful for my up bringing. My Parents were wonderful people who not only taught us how to hunt, fish raise a garden and tend to a farm…but they taught us to work hard and share with people who were less fortunate. When I was young my mom and dad gathered up us 4 kids and 2 of my cousin and took us from the sities of California to my grandfathers farm. My grandfather had passed away many years before and no one had lived in his old farm house. There was no inside plumbing and the well had not been use in so long that Dad was afraid for us to drink it so we us kids walked 2 miles down the road to drag back 2 gallon containers of drinking water from my uncles farm. We washed in the creek and learned to live the farm life for 3 months…summer over we were dragged back to California. But we learned alot about “roughing it”.
    When we moved out to the farm for good in the late 60’s Our friends had no running water, no phone and no vehicle. 4 kids and no dad (he ran off when the kids were babies). That family raised 4 kids with no welare at all…none. They all went to college on scholarships, and they all worked in the school cafateria for their lunches (there mom took no hand outs they worked for everything). The girls all got my handmedown clothes, formals and all 3 wore my wedding gown. They are all wonderful hard working people and I love them all.
    People can make it when they have nothing…they just have to be willing to work for it. When you take away a persons incentive to work you remove their will to survive they become so lack luster or so full of apathy….in away they tend to become short on the common sense side. People who have to work for what they have….no matter how little they have they take pride in what they have and what they do. If people who were struggling were making their kids tend to farm animals and raise gardens the kids would be too busy to get into trouble.
    An ole friend use to say….their are 24 hours in everyday….if you don’t have enough money….you aren’t working hard enough. Same friend use to say ” it is just money…you can work for all you want” sad thing is he was right. Lots of people today do not want to work…they want to be given an education, given food, given a house, given money….we have become a gimme country.

  27. I have been holding off on this for awhile but in the spirit of the day I must now give in. This is for all of my dear southern cousins, as given to me by a dear friend who was raised in West Virginia. It is a hunting story that he used to “teach you talk southern” (his words exactly).

    LOOK C M DUCS
    M RNT DUCS
    MR 2
    MR NOT
    CM WANGS
    CM ID BD EYES
    LLL IB
    MR DUCKS
    HARRY EP N GIT DA GUN

    This fella gave me one other thing that no one has discussed in the survivalist handbook and which I see as an absolute necessity.
    He would go home for christmas every year. And upon his return he would bring me over a pint Mason jar of moon shine (old family recipie-according to him). This was the finest sippin whiskey I have ever had. Yes, even better than Uncle Jack’s sour mash.

    LOL
    JAC

    • JAC, I wonder if I’m the only 1 that could read that? Don no fats goodrbad!

    • revolution2010 says:

      Don’t take this the wrong way JAC, but I love you! My dad had a t-shirt with that on it. He passed over 20 years ago and I cannot remember the last time I thought about it. Thanks!

  28. Very interesting reading on your website. I am from southern New Zealand and we strive to be as self sufficient as possible. My young teenagers know how to cook, garden, fish and hunt…and it breaks my heart when I see their friends who haven’t a clue. Apart from their lack of practical ability to provide for themselves, it must make for a very empty soul.

  29. Fiona:

    I am guessing about morning there so good morning.

    You are from my second most favorite place on the planet. It is alot like my first most favorite. Number one is starting to deteriorate so I hope you all still have the door open. Some of us poor soals may be immigrating soon.

    Did the hole in the ozone layer down there ever heal itself? I was there right after the conservatives got elected, for the first time in forever. How did that all work out? I haven’t heard much from folks there in a few years so have lost touch.

    If you don’t mind sharing, what’s the closest town? You can tell I loved your country and the south island the most. It is alot like where I grew up, including the people.

    Welcome to the site and on behalf of US and others I encourage you to stick around and throw in your two cents once in awhile.

    Have a wonderful day
    JAC

  30. Hi JAC

    Thank you for your kind words. Te Anau is our closest town.

    We don’t hear much about the ozone layer these days. However, we are all very aware that the sun burns our skin extremely fiercely in the summer, much more so than in if we were in Australia or further north, so it must still be an issue somewhat.

    I have to admit I am not very politically minded, it was more the self sufficiency side of this website that interested me.

    It is 6.30pm on Monday night as I write this.

    F

    • Fiona

      Small World Sometimes

      Spent the day in and around Te Anau when there. My buddy and I were looking around and for a spot to fish north of town, towads the downs.

      I remember seeing quite a few old el camino’s and ranchero pickup/cars. One fella told me they couldn’t get real pickup trucks. Never did find out how these American vehicles got there though. Funny the little things we notice when travelling.

      Is your area still very rural and agriculture oriented or has it been “discovered” by the city folks?

      Best Wishes and hope to get your way again some day.
      JAC

  31. Fancy you knowing the area so well. I live south of the town, very near the Waiau River…great for fishing too. We produce our own beef, lamb, pork/bacon, eggs, vegetables and we eat alot of wild venison. Our garden is extensive, and we milk a cow( sometimes goat) each spring and summer. I like to preserve and make our own cheese occassionally.

    The kids were worrying about the Swine Flu last night and I said…we’ll just bring you home from school and lock the front gate for a month..and we’ll be just fine with all the food we have etc.

    Its a very cold wintery early morning as i write this.

    Fiona

    • Fiona

      Its that darn global warming again. It is a cold, snowy spring morning here.

      If the kids come down with symptoms get them to the doctor, don’t just hunker down. So far all affected in the US have recovered with medical treatment.

      I forgot one other thing I loved about the south island. Spitez beer. Don’t remember spelling for sure but do remember it was the best beer I ever had. Haven’t been able to stomach major US beer brands ever since, like drinking fuzzy water.

      Do you have the sand flea problems where you are like there are on the west coast?

      I didn”t know you had “wild” venison. Are those deer that escaped from the farms? When I was there everyone was starting to raise stags and deer in a big way because the sheep markets had collapsed. At the time those farms were mostly between Queenstown and Christchurch.

      Sorry for being so chatty. It is funny how small the world seems at times. There is a theory that each of us knows everyone in the world through seven acquaintences. Thats one you can play with the kids on winter days.

      Until later, best regards and stay warm
      JAC

  32. Hi JAC

    In answer to some of your memories of New Zealand….its SPEIGHTS beer that you remember. It is made in Dunedin and is enjoyed by most Southern men. They wouldn’t thank you for it up North!

    We don’t have sandflies here at the house, but they are a real nuisance over in the National Park Bush about 1km away. They can make your life very miserable, very quickly indeed…if you are caught in the outdoors without repellent.

    The wild deer we eat, are in fact, wild. The deer you see on the farms were originally caught in the wild by helicopter and transported out alive. Our mountains are full of red deer (from England) and Wapati Elk. Anyone with a gun licence can go out and shoot them anytime. My husband and son hunt all the time.Our freezer is full of venison, blue cod and lobster!- all free.

    Years ago I worked in the Yukon for a hunting outfitter and was amazed that you weren’t allowed to go out and shoot meat whenever you liked. The hunters up there were required to buy TAGS worth 1000’s of dollars per specified animal. Is it like that everywhere in the states??

    Best wishes and Kind Regards
    F

    • Yes Fiona, it is like that in the states and we call it “freedom”. Kind of ironic isn’t it?

      You may have hit on something that is the reason I loved the south island so much. I remember that sense of freedom there that I got from the people I met. We Americans and our ego, we forget that others in the world may acutally be more free than we are.

      I have first hand knowledge of the damage those little jaws with wings can do. We have a thing here in part of the Rocky Mtns called “no seeums”. Maybe a little smaller than your sandflies but nasty little buggers. But they don’t swarm you like those flies do.

      As I recall, Spieghts was also enjoyed by many Southern women as well. But thats a funny story I’ll save for another day.

      I knew the red deer and elk were imported but I did not know the deer were caught locally. Now I have learned something new today.

      I have always told my kids to try and learn one new thing each day. I used to make them sit down after school and tell me what the one new thing they learned was. My son figured it out and probably made stuff up to end the conversation. My daughter, maverick like her dad, would just say “nothing”. To which I would launch into a speech about my tax dollars being wasted and on and on. I think she liked getting me riled up.

      Thank you for taking the time to visit. It has reminded me of how much I enjoyed my time in New Zealand and the south island in particular. I hope to get back soon, as it has been to many years already.

      Best wishes to you and your family
      May the sun always shine upon your path.
      JAC

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