Friday Night Free-For-All

US Congress BuildingAs I sat around this evening literally dejected over the results of the house vote on cap and tax, I was wondering to myself what this really means for you and I as we go forward in our worlds. I am going to touch on this briefly, at least offering what I think the next step will be. But in my true fashion for a Friday night where I don’t have a guest commentary ready to go, I am going to offer up something a little more substantive than I did the last time. Last time we had an open mic posted for Friday night. Tonight I am instead going to attempt to hit three separate topics, each of them quickly so that I don’t drone on forever. I will touch the bill passed today in the House, Michael Jackson and his legacy, and a strange case of the entitlement flu in the Black Democratic Caucus.

Topic #1 – Today’s Vote in the House of Representatives.

global-warming-is-a-lieWell, we talked about this for a good portion of the day on Friday because of the fact that Thursday night’s post was dedicated to the subject. Regardless of the lack of merit to the manmade global warming fraud that is going on, the House went ahead and brought it to a vote and passed the bill by a vote of 219-212. 44 Democrats voted against the bill, with 211 voting for it. That leaves 8 Republicans who voted for the bill and 168 who voted against it. Sadly, I must report that the Representative for my district (David Price) voted for the bill. The President came on TV and said that this will go down in history as the day that America finally stood up and took the lead in saving our planet. I threw up a little in my mouth when he said that. However on a good news side, Patrick Kennedy left rehab to be there for this vote!

gore-fire-1Bottom line: I still believe that Global Warming is the single greatest Fraud perpetrated on a population since those boys in the Soviet Union convinced a sea of lemmings that communism was a good idea. We all know how that worked out (yet Democrats in America think that they can make it work this time…. weird). And the measure has been rushed super fast through the House of Representatives before the American public can become enlightened enough to see the fraud the way that the Australians, Japanese, and many Europeans are doing. But all hope is not yet lost.

I am Pretty Sure he Won a Seat in California

I am Pretty Sure he Won a Seat in California

Black Flag noted today that he doesn’t think it will get through the Senate. I think that it has about a 25% chance of getting through the Senate. I do not believe that the Democrats are going to attempt to wait for Al Franken to be seated. That could take months, and they are in full awareness mode now that the American public is starting to wake up. That is why they are trying to rush yet another agenda item before they can be stopped. It simply amazes me to watch this Congress spend so little time debating and scrutinizing bills that have DRAMATIC possible impacts on our country. The stimulus bill was far ranging and was passed in 11 hours. This bill was pushed through in the same way. We need to start getting vocal to the Senate RIGHT NOW. They need to understand that their job is on the line if they vote for this bill. I promise you that when David Price comes up for reelection in my district I am going to hammer him on this issue.

I will sum up my feelings this way. I don’t think that global warming is caused by man. Therefore the premise of this bill is extremely flawed and it should not have been passed. If I did believe that global warming is caused by man, I would still be critical of this bill. I see VERY little possibility for this bill to have any type of impact at all on the climate. And the other, more likely result will be catastrophic economically for America. When the downside is this fracking big, perhaps you morons in Congress should slow down and THINK about what you are doing. Mark my words… The 111th Congress of the United States will go down as the most agenda driven, idiotic, and anti-American principles Congress in history when all is said and done.

Topic #2 – Michael Jackson and his Legacy

Michael Jackson DancingI will be honest and say that it really saddens me that he is gone. When I think about music, I think is was one of the most talented musical artists in history. His music defined a generation and you certainly can’t argue with 750 million records sold. I can listen to his music from the late 1970’s and 1980’s and still find it to be amazing and it makes me tap my toes and snap my fingers. There was perhaps no bigger or more famous star in the world than Michael Jackson. I went to see him in concert several times when I was young and he was one of the best pure entertainers to ever walk on to a stage. That should be remembered.

Unfortunately, for some people the only thing that they will remember about Michael Jackson is the fact that he faced a trial for molesting young boys. Did he do it? I don’t know. No one does except Michael and those boys. But I think it should be noted that he was acquitted of those charges. That doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, but it certainly keeps us from knowing for sure that he did. For my part, I don’t think he did in the way that people might think. I believe that Michael was a superstar before he ever got to be a child. And because of that I think that he was a child for a very long time when he got older. I don’t think when it came to sexuality that he ever really matured. Was it stupid for him to invite young boys into his bed? Yes it was. But I don’t think he ever really saw it in a sexual way the way that normal people would.

Michael Jackson old and newBut I will say this. In 40 years of being in the public limelight constantly I never once heard of him ever treating anyone badly, being petty, being hateful, or being mean. And I don’t think that is something that you can completely hide like that for 40 years. I also think that he spent his life helping children and being around them. He came into contact with literally tens of thousands of children. And we only ever had three come out and make claims against him. I think he was probably one of the kindest and gentlest human beings on the planet. His level of philanthropy was astounding and many credit him for starting the trend of giant celebrities supporting charitable causes.

The entertainer supported dozens of charities during his life, includingUSA for Africa, the Make-a-Wish Foundation, and the Elizabeth TaylorAIDS Foundation. He reportedly was listed in the 2000 edition of theGuinness Book of World Records for “Most Charities Supported by a Pop Star.” As a humanitarian, he is perhaps best know for “We Are the World,” the 1985 song he wrote with Lionel Richie that raised millions of dollars for famine relief in Africa. In 1992 he created the Heal the World Foundation, which provided aid overseas but also brought needy children to his California home, the Neverland Ranch. You can think all the bad things you want about the charges of child molestation that were leveled against him, but there is absolutely no doubt about how hard he worked to help those that could not help themselves.

Everyone will remember Michael Jackson in his own way. Some choose to remember Elvis as a fat guy in a jumpsuit. I remember Elvis as the King of Rock. And what I wrote above is how I will remember Michael Jackson, the King of Pop music, who did far more good for a bad world than that bad world ever did for him….

Topic #3 Reparations???

Reparations DVD CoverFrom an article in the Fox News politics section came and article about recent activity in the Senate and House. It seems that the United States Congress is doing their best to imitate the President. They each came up with bills and passed them that did nothing more than apologize to blacks in America for slavery. That’s right, the United States Congress is spending their time making a formal apology to blacks alive today for slavery of blacks 150 years ago. I assume that Obama will soon head to Africa and formally apologize to the African people for America’s willingness to buy the slaves sold to them by Africans.

In all seriousness, I guess I am OK with Congress issuing a formal apology for slavery. It was something that happened. It was not good. Granted there isn’t a person alive today that was a slave or who owned a slave, but if they want to apologize, I could care less. However the Congressional Black Caucus, headed by Barbara Lee, a Democrat from California, took issue with the bill. Forget that it is a non-binding resolution that is largely symbolic. The Congressional Black Caucus doesn’t like the bill and denounced it because it contained a disclaimer saying that nothing in the resolution supports or authorizes reparations by the United States. It didn’t ban reparations, it just made it clear that this bill did not authorize reparations.

So let’s put this in perspective. The Congressional Black Caucus is rejecting the symbolic gesture of an apology from the United States government because it doesn’t authorize black people in America today to receive reparations from the United States government. Are you frackin kidding me? It was symbolic. It was a gesture of goodwill. It was non-binding and really didn’t stop anything from happening. It just didn’t say that they deserve reparations. So the Congressional Black Congress basically said we aren’t accepting your apology unless there is money in it.

Reparations T-ShirtIs it any wonder that America is falling apart? This is the petty and childish shit that the members of the United States Congress is doing. I want you to think about the concept of reparations for a second. Blacks in America today who think that because an ancestor from 150 years ago was a slave, that they should be given something today to make up for it. This isn’t about paying someone for what they went through. This is about paying someone for what someone else went through 150 years ago. Let me put it in a simple statement.

If people today think that they are entitled to something from the government for the suffering of ancestors that they never met or knew, is it any wonder that Americans think they are entitled to everything from the government. I see reparations as the ultimate example of the runaway sentiment of entitlement in the United States.

When it comes to reparations, I think it is clear where I stand. You are not entitled to shit. Nothing, Nada, Zero, Zip, Zilch. You aren’t entitled to a house, a car, a handout from government, and especially not a payment for something that had absolutely nothing to do with you or anyone you even knew. I know that some will be using this as a chance to label me a racist. I can live with that. After all I am well aware of the liberal tactic of doing this in order to make me out to be a heartless bigot in order to render my position wrong. I see the tactics constantly. Don’t believe in Global Warming, you must me a heartless bigot who doesn’t care about the earth. Think abortion is wrong? Then you are a baby killer. Don’t think gay marriage should happen? You are a homophobe. And have anything to say that goes against blacks and you are labeled a racist. But I know I am not a racist, so I don’t care what they think.

So there are a couple of quick hit and run topics for your Saturday morning perusal. I look forward to everyone’s comments.

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Comments

  1. Topic #1 – I repeat what I said earlier . . . “We are in for it now!”

    Topic #2 – I was never a Michael Jackson fan, and for what it is worth I was never a fan of any rock music. I am a fan of Classical music. Therefore I have no comment on the passing of Michael Jackson.

    Topic #3 – I am a descendant of an indentured servant (just another name for slavery), so if all the blacks in America get money for their ancestors being slaves . . . well then, I want my money too. But that won’t happen because my ancestor was white and they only want reparations for those whose ancestors were black. So much for equality. And before you all start calling me prejudiced, remember that I have known from the gitgo that white slaves were just as mistreated as black slaves – sometimes more so as the “indentured servant” I am descendant from actually died giving birth to a child that was conceived by the “Master” of the house she was indentured to. She was 12 at the time. That was during the 1840’s . . . welcome to the real world.

    In my humble opinion I believe that no one should get reparations for anyone having ancestors that were slaves. The taking and keeping of slaves has been very common throughout human history. It is even reported in the Christian Bible as what was a common practice even before Christ was born. Literally every society that ever existed throughout this planet has taken and kept slaves at one time in their existence. We have all had ancestors somewhere in time who have been slaves, so get over it already and get on with our lives. There are much more important things to worry about than the far distant past. Lets start taking care of the future generations.

  2. Topic #3
    I am a “seasoned” citizen. I don’t remember many things too well, but I know I have a very vague memory of this same thing being done many years ago – maybe in the ’70’s. This is not a new idea. Anytime we have a liberal president or a liberal congress this reparation idea comes up. I have never believed in slavery. It is a nasty business and requires that the enslaved be kept terrorized and ignorant for the masters to keep power. But – I also don’t think that anyone in the U.S. in 2009 should have to pay for the “sins of our fathers”. I think we paid for those sins in the civil war! Life happens and moves on. Will the U. S citizens 100 years from now be calling for reparations because we have been enslaved by the present administration? Probably not – the chances are much more likely there will be civil unrest, maybe even a war, to take our country back to freedom.

  3. Subject #1- I wrote a nasty e-mail to my congressman about this subject yesterday morning. Don’t know how he voted yet, but if he voted yes, I will do everything in my power to make sure he is out of work when he is up for reelection.

    Subject #2- Not an MJ fan. His entertainment abilities, I will admit, were exceptional. I will give credit where it’s due. He was a very strange person, with many skeletons in his closet, that he is now answering to.

    Subject #3- If there are “reperations” I will revolt very violently. A friend of mine, age 70, was pistol wipped and beaten badly Wednesday night in her driveway as she returned from work (where I work with her and her son) at 11:45 pm. One of the two were caught Thursday night. Both were “niggers” by every definition known to man. Both will not live another year, thats just the way it is here, as the contract is paid. At least they lived this long, and for that they should be thankfull. I can’t express my anger as I would like, because I respect everyone that posts here too much. Too make a long story short, the only reperations that should be considered, should be paid with lead. Sorry for the rant!

    G!

    • Wow G – I hope your friend is doing ok.

      • She will be fine physically, I’m sure that the mental trauma will live on for ever. Tanks for the concern!

        G!

        • G-Man

          God speed to your friend, I’m so sorry to hear that. Don’t know about every one else here, but I wouldn’t mind if you expressed your true anger, wouldn’t offend me in the least. Please tell your friend for me she will be in my prayers.

          Judy

          • Thanks Judy, I’m not sure words could express what I feel. Being a redhead don’t help either, LOL. I’ll just take some deep breathes and calm down. I do know there will be a moment when action will overtake common sense, It’s coming, just not sure when. Hope you have a fine day!

            G!

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      1. I hope your friend recovers

      2. I hope the criminals are caught and punished

      3. What exactly is ‘every definition’ of the ‘n-word’ and why did you feel it necessary to use it?

  4. I assume that Obama will soon head to Africa and formally apologize to the African people for America’s willingness to buy the slaves sold to them by Africans.

    That’s not what our kids’ history books say.

    • USWeapon says:

      LOL… nope they sure don’t. Evil White Men hiked into the heart of the jungle and stole kids from their beds. Of course these are the same history books that say Columbus discovered America, FDR saved us from the Great Depression, and American history boils down to serving the collective.

  5. Alan F. says:

    Anyone climbing upon the soap box answer me the following:

    Who started the slave trade on the continent of Africa?

    How many would not exist today if not for having ancestors taken from Africa?

    Why only the African slaves and not all the “human property” that has ever existed?

    If its so great, America and Europe so bad, why has there NEVER been a mass exodus back to the “homeland” when all from a western democracy can realistically afford to get there?

    If whites were so bad for the continent, why are the worst atrocities committed in their absence? Yes I include the poster child South Africa as I actually know of the crime and conditions that exist there today.

    • Cyndi P says:

      Good points Alan F.

      I’d like to add that if we’re going to pay them reparations, we should present them with a bill for all the good things and benefits they’ve received by being here. And just to show how nice we are, we’ll take their reparations amount and apply it to their debt!

  6. #1 – Votes are here: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml

    I’m just disgusted again with the rushing through, the 300-page amendment in the middle of the night, the enormous pressure (and what else) from the white house. We are truly a gangster government at this point.

    #2 – Loved his music, loved watching him perform, RIP Michael

    #3 – I believe today’s long term welfare recipients are just another form of slavery; someone decides where they will live, what they will eat, the government is their master. The incentive to increase welfare in the stimulus bill must mean the government likes this master role.

    • Kathy, A pleasant good morning to you.

      Thanks for the link, and I will be damned, my Rep. voted against. I had almost hoped he would support it and get booted out in 2010.

      #3, not very PC to say that, and I will say the same, meaning I have/will say that to peoples faces. Hard to believe, not everyone likes me.

    • Thanks as well for the link, now I have a mission to make sure Congressman Tim Ryan does not get re-elected. He now has a very determined and sworn enemy!

      G!

  7. Cap & Trade, it would be interesting to know who is pushing this,
    meaning the special interest groups, and follow the money. I think there are multiple agendas that have found common cause on this issue. Some want tax revenue, some power at the expense of our freedoms, Europe, Russia and China will benefit from a less
    compative America. Tree huggers seem to think if the USreduces their energy use, the world will follow. Delusional.

    On Michael, well said US.

    Slavery
    No good deed ever goes unpunished. The US and the UK did not invent slavery. Read the history, many early(and modern day)religions allow slavery. Muslims in Africa were the biggest slavers in history. The US and UK led the fight against slavery, and now the world wants to hold America accountable for the slavery we condoned in our past. It is a serious mistake to apologize for this. Would be better to brag about our role in ending slavery.

  8. Topic #1. I think I said all I had to say on that last night. What’s left to say?

    Topic #2. I wasn’t really an M.J. fan, but I did like his music, he was a good entertainer. I feel sorry for his kids and wonder what will happen to them and who will be their guardian, and I sincerely hope that they can have a somewhat normal life. My thoughts and prayers are with his family at this time. RIP Michael.

    Topic #3. I don’t believe there should be any reparations paid. My family had nothing to do with slavery, nor did my husbands. Our families came from Europe mostly and had nothing to do with slavery that I’m aware of anyway. What about the Chinese, don’t they get reparations?After all, weren’t they slaves as well? Didn’t they help build the railroads, and were just as mistreated as any other slave? If reparations are paid, then I think they should have to prove that their ancestors were slaves, and not just say they were just to get money. It might be a hard thing to do, but I think they should do some research first and see if they are decedents of slaves.That’s all I have to say about that.

    • Judy, many blacks have been getting reperations for years, it’s called “Welfare”.

    • Alan F. says:

      As I’ve said before, the cheque to the “First Nations” or “Indians” for you state side will not leave a penny in the coffers. Its just too bad for them they don’t have a president to make book on.

  9. If anybody should get reparations, it should be the Native Americans for what the white man did to them. Don’t if I feel that way because I am part Sioux, and that I have a lot of friends who are Paiute and Shoshone or what. I know that they feel a lot of anger towards the white man and what they did to them and their families, Maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know, but that is I feel about this as well.

    • Sorry for leaving a word out. It should say, that’s HOW I feel.

    • I would support your position here. The Native Americans have been screwed far worse than anyone.

      G!

      • Judy S. says:

        I think I may also feel that way because my great-grandfather on my dad’s side married a Sioux woman from the Dakota Nation in the 1800’s, and there is a strong Indian bond there that I may have with my Indian friends. Does that make any sense?

  10. OK, I have not tried very hard for Michael. Here’s is a truly beautiful song.

    Ben, the two of us need look no more
    We both found what we were looking for
    With a friend to call my own
    I’ll never be alone
    And you, my friend, will see
    You’ve got a friend in me
    (you’ve got a friend in me)

    Ben, you’re always running here and there
    You feel you’re not wanted anywhere
    If you ever look behind
    And don’t like what you find
    There’s one thing you should know
    You’ve got a place to go
    (you’ve got a place to go)

    I used to say “I” and “me”
    Now it’s “us”, now it’s “we”
    I used to say “I” and “me”
    Now it’s “us”, now it’s “we”
    Ben, most people would turn you away
    I don’t listen to a word they say
    They don’t see you as I do
    I wish they would try to
    I’m sure they’d think again
    If they had a friend like Ben
    (a friend) Like Ben
    (like Ben) Like Ben

    RIP, Michael

  11. 1. I agree that it’s a big freaking joke. Checked the list, (thanks Kathy), and all my Repubs voted no and all the Dems voted yes. Unfortunately, people like Carl Levin and Carolyn Kirkpatrick (mother of the infamous former Mayor of Detroit) will never get voted out of office.

    2. I liked MJ’s music in the 80’s. Great dancing stuff. Then I just kinda went back to my roots of metal & hair bands (LOL). Me and Dee Snider on the House of Hair every weekend morning.

    3. If I said what I was really thinking, US wouldn’t let me post here anymore 🙂

  12. topic 1- I think it is unreal that once again we are having a bill passed with the speed of light with no knowledge of what is going with them. Truly makes me angry that these personal goals are running this country in the middle of the night.

    topic 2- Micheal was a legend who had a amazing gift with music. I dont know what happen or didnt happen with the boys in his life. its not my place to judge that, he is answering to a higher judge now. As I have been listening to the radio stations replay his classics, it makes me sad. Not only did we lose a legend, but someone who made music that was upbeat and just fun to listen to.

    topic 3- Slavery was a dark part of this country’s past, no doubt about that. If a we are sorry is wanted, I am okay with that. But paying money for something that performed by anyone that is still alive is not right. It is a road we do not need to go down.

    • JayDickB says:

      Ellen – I don’t like slavery, past, present, or future. But I don’t think it’s entirely fair judge 18th century actions by 21st century standards.

      Slavery has a very long history, and continues in a few places even today. To understand the past, we should try, as much as we can, to judge past actions by the standards in place at the time.

      The whole idea of reparations is an attempt to extort money from guilt-ridden liberals. I don’t feel guilty at all for what happened anywhere 300 years ago.

  13. US — very nicely done . One thought on #3 — Slavery still exists in this world: perhaps the energy of the Black Caucus would be more effective on this topic if it was directed proactively toward that rather than something that was changed at great cost in the US over 100 years ago. LOI probably knows the whole song, but just this comes to mind “used to be’s don’t count anymore…” c

  14. well the author forgets that this is not the first formal apology to Black people for slavery, how many times can one hear “i’m sorry” with no action behind it before they give up believing in the sincerity of the apology? i would say that reparations are due for work that was done and not paid for; i would also say that reparations are due for property that was seized illegally during the jim crow era, i mean let’s remember rosewood, FL and tulsa, OK in addition to wilmington, NC among others. the lynching of Black men and women was often not about the sexual offenses of Blacks against white women, but was most often an exercise in bringing down so-called “uppity” Black folks who owned proerty and were successful in business. this is why tulsa, OK was burned to the ground, because there was a vibrant and dynamic Black Wall Street. but the bottom line is, if someone stole from your family for generations and then forcibly kept you or your family from recouping their losses, it doesn’t matter how much time has elapsed. you still have the right to get what is yours or what is owed to you. barclay’s bank in the U.K and Wells Fargo in the U.S. are just two of the most prominent banking institutions who got their start banking the profits reaped from slave labor. in many parts of the U.S. the infrastructure was built by slaves, and institutions (financial as well as political) were built off the free labor and exclusion of Black people. part of the reason there is such an enormous Black “underclass” is that there was no wealth to build upon in addition to the fact that Black folks were kept out of institutions of higher learning; so even though many Black people are moving up the ranks now, many come from families who do not even own property.

    To respond to some earlier points, there was a mass “Back to Africa” movement of Black people in the Americas; it happened once after the Civil War ended, and again in the early 20th century under the leadership of Marcus Garvey. Garvey’s movement never took off as it should have because the U.S. deported him on trumped up tax evasion charges. Also, welfare is not a form of reparations for Black people because it is mostly white people numerically who are recipients of welfare benefits. Sure there have always been forms of slavery in the world, but none were so cruel as those practiced by the “Western” world. if you read your history you will find that in many instances in Greece and on the continent of Africa a slave was treated as a member of the family. of course they did the grunt work, but they were also fully integrated into society, and could marry, raise families, travel, and educate themselves. the transatlantic slave trade kicked off something totally different historically. sure Africans sold other Africans, but as very few who were sold away ever made it back, the original sellers had no clue what was awaiting their brethen on the other side of the ocean. Let us also remember that not all African kingdoms participated in selling slaves to Europeans, many, in fact, tried to unify and rid their lands of slavers. And lastly, indentured servitude is/was a terrible thing that fundamentally differs from slavery: firstly, because freedom could be earned after the maximum years were served; and secondly, because if an indentured servant had children, those offspring were legally free. this was not the case under slavery, because by the law of the free womb the condition of the mother was passed along to the children.

    none of this “distant” history would matter if there wasn’t still anti-Black racism that makes itself apparent in everything from media coverage to health insurance coverage. the point is that this country and many others never made the effort to fully see to it that Black people have all the same opportunities to live happy and fruitful lives as anyone else. this goes for all other ethnicities and groups that have been deemed “inferior” to educated, property-holding white men (and women).

    • Alan F. says:

      “sure Africans sold other Africans, but as very few who were sold away ever made it back, the original sellers had no clue what was awaiting their brethen on the other side of the ocean” – Get a grip and try a rewrite. Also note wiping out competing tribes was standard practice as was, at those times collection was the goal, peeling away those who were useless such as children and the elderly. Go back over the past 20 years and try to assimilate the male dominance of the society, the value given a widow and her get and the results of tribal warfare from the days of slavery to yesterday morning.

      My brother’s been a UN peacekeeper on the continent since 1990, has told us of what he has seen first hand and that he’s still going back to train police in Darfur still astounds me. Care to wager he’ll not find millions there willing to swap lives with any “downtrodden” African American?

    • USWeapon says:

      Need I provide a better example of the “entitlement attitude” that persists in America. I will offer a rebuttal to this nonsense later when I have time, but be careful about what you assume “the author” forgets.

    • I have personnally never owned a slave, I would also choose not to if it were legal. The history of slavery is well known to all of us, the problem I see is that people need to GET OVER IT. It happened, it ended, and nobody alive today deserves anything for it. I’ll stop there.

      G!

    • rba@1:53pmpost. I couldn’t help but think how much more enslaved we will ALL be as citizens of this great country of opportunity called, The United States, #1 and all this Congrees/Administration is allowing to stand. From your post, I am positive, you, of all Americans, do not want to go THERE.

    • Bama Dad says:

      So many false statements in this post, where would one start?

    • I think every one who votes for a democrat has to pay a black reparation poll tax, since it is obvious that Democrats are the only group “today” who are responsible.

      • Alan F. says:

        Oh now that would be a funny list to see. Those who are on board with this notion of “pay me” and what portion of THEIR fortune will be given up to the cause.

        • And back to the million $$ reparation – only blacks who register and promise to vote republican or libertarian! And take pride in being call “Smart “Uncle Tom” by the dems.

    • Never heard of the “United Caucasian College Fund” or the “Congressional White Caucus”. I could think of others, but my point is that there are extra opportunities for minorities in the US. Hey, if anyone ever decides to travel to Egypt, stay away from the pyramids, they were built by slaves. As far as reparations, I think it is a crock. Get over it already and stop whining. Not directed at the poster.

    • Cyndi P says:

      RBA,

      I’m a first generation Hispanic with Quechua blood/DNA. Why do I have to pay reparations? Have you seen how the Quechua are treated? Send me a check….

      Of course, that’s an idotic statement, but no less so than ‘my skin is black, give me money’.

  15. Judy S. says:

    On the topic of #1, I think that every single congressmen and women and senator, no matter what party they are, should be required to live the life of a normal everyday working person, and try living on pay grade they make before they are elected, and see what it’s like for the everyday working person. See if they can pay their bills, raise their family, make a monthly house payment, maybe once in a while to be able to afford a dinner out or a movie. They should have to do that for at least one year before they sign and read any bill that comes before them. Maybe then, they might see what it’s like for those who are struggling now. Yes, I know, in my dreams. but hey, that’s my opinion and that’s what I think. For them to have passed that bill yesterday before most of them have even read the darn thing, I think is absolutely ludicrous.

    • I think they should work the same hours (becasue they could do less damage and work a “real” job) and get he same pay (becasue they wouldn’t be in it for the monsy and it would force them to live under the conditions they create) as enlisted national guard.

  16. Black Flag says:

    Notify

  17. #1. Thanks for letting me know of Rep. David E. Price(D-04) vote. He’s mine too. I was positive he’d be a kool-aide drinker. But, I did urge him strongly to just say NO! For a Duke Professor, I’m not impressed with this sheeple. It’s called. The Cap and Traitor Bill. They are not being thorough in their resesearch. It’s a Scam for money or blind mesmerism. We do not need that psychi anymore in Washington DC. He didn’t have my vote last time and he won’t now. Also, maybe it was my mistake, but I couldn’t find the debate on the correct C-Span station! Blocking truth?

  18. Vinnster says:

    #3 I would support $1 Million in Reparations to every black person in America on one condition. They and all their descendants could never be on any form of social service of any kind, ever. No welfare , no food stamps, no Medicare , no Medicaid, only Social Security if they actually worked a job of at least 30 years.

    Fact of the matter is people become wealthy or poor because of their behavior and their choices. Take a group of 200 people of any race. One hundred wealthy, one hundred poor, take everything they have then give them each a million bucks. Now come back in five years. The ones previously wealthy would have prospered, the ones they were poor will be poor again.

  19. Ray Hawkins says:

    1. Would tend to agree that this is not going to pass the Senate.

    2. Was too wrapped around groups like Iron Maiden, Styx, Rush and Tom Petty when MJ caught fire via MTV. Sorry but moonwalking and plastic zipper jackets were never my cup of tea.

    3. Not a reparations supporter – but for sake of argument how much would be considered fair? The argument knows no limits.

  20. 1. “The 111th Congress of the United States will go down as the most agenda driven, idiotic, and anti-American principles Congress in history when all is said and done.”

    True , true and true, but with todays MSM including NPR where this morning it summarized Obama’s w/e talk, of course including a segment of his speech, then narrator gave additional promo and for the opposition next, he said “and the republicans complained” .. .. ..
    funny – do you think in the last 8 years he EVER referred to dems complaining but giving studious responses or some such.. It’s this type of subliminal bias that needs to be addressed.

    But to the point – After I read this yesterday I didn’t think we had to worry ! Ooops.
    The Climate Change Climate Change http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

    2. Glad to read your view point that me rethink my opinion about MJ. As one of the old farts who thought that after the beatles, roy orbison, etal and some othe ’70 groups – how could you beat that!! But I do remember pics of my daughter who was in the 6-9 yo group in the early ’80 and how happy they were danciong around – then I started to hear Madona…

    3. Just unbelievable. Anyone interested please read Thomas Sowell – http://www.tsowell.com I’ve only read Black Rednecks and White Liberals – promo:

    In a series of long essays, this book presents an in-depth look at key beliefs behind many mistaken and dangerous actions, policies, and trends. It presents eye-opening insights into the historical development of the ghetto culture that is today wrongly seen as a unique black identity—a culture cheered on toward self-destruction by white liberals who consider themselves “friends” of blacks. An essay titled “The Real History of Slavery” presents a jolting re-examination of that tragic institution and the narrow and distorted way it is too often seen today.

    And of course the amazing thing about Sowells articles is that you can go back 6 years and his columns still are valid ! http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp or read here where there’s comments posted http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell

    Ok Ok – I would follow a black man who went to Harvard anywhere and if he said to revolt, inflict violence I would… His name is Thomas Sowell :=}

    It was while I was reading various sites about black republicans that I read a great article that clearly showed how it has been the democrats’ policies that have held the black man down and not the “fat,rich republicans”. I wish I could find it – but one point I recall is that up to circa 1956, blacks had a greater advancement economically than other segments of the country. personally I’ve been an economic bigot forever, just never knew it. Then the forced welfare started to kick in, along with easing of morality, etc etc (that damn sexual music! )

  21. Vinnster – make that Million bucks a proposal for ANYONE and it’ll be cheaper than the tarp and in the long run many will be investing in themselves. As long as they have to attend some money management classes.

  22. anoninnc says:

    Can’t stay long, someone may have said this already . . .

    This quote from Pelosi helps me understand my dejected frustration today :

    “For some it was a very difficult vote because the entrenched agents of the status quo were out there full force, jamming the lines in their districts and here, and they withstood that,” Pelosi said.

    I pray that the “status quo” represented by the “jammed phone lines” of yesterday finally wake up to this obvious growing destructiion of our country.

    May the “status quo” majority finally rise up, speak-both on current issues and in particular in the next election(s), and may this crippling public political lethargy finally come to an end.

    Thanks for letting me vent, at least a little.

    • That Pelosi even thinks, much less actually thinks that the RNC has that kind of power to jam just shows you how stupid she is. (I don;t call people names lightly)

      I only went to one preliminary teaparty meeting in somewhat small or riral area, and most folks there were NOT republicans, but middle age hippie types, libertarian type and definitely pi$$ed off.

  23. If we look at the big picture, I mean everything that is going on and has been going on for DECADES, then perhaps someone just might put it all together in such a manner that all the Obamatron Sheeple can see just what it is that is being done to us and WAKE UP!

    IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO CAN DO THIS?

    ANYONE?

    HELLO . . . IS ANYONE OUT THERE?

    😦 😦 😦

    • Black Flag says:

      Oh yes, but the answers of the past no longer work for the future.

      Are you ready to change?

    • Your genuine concerns are legitimate, and I hope the Republicans can emerge with some answers in 2010 and 2012 before it’s too late save our great country.

    • Alan F. says:

      The problem here is that such an individual would have to make his/her way through the machinery to get his/herself into a position affording the ability to make such grand change which if done correctly would go against both parties benefiting from the functions of the machine as it is. They used to just assassinate such individuals but with the advent of the internet and the adoption of the Hollywood model of modern journalism, why waste the bullets.

      “Someone” in power to affect change in any system is starting at the wrong end of the pyramid.

      • Black Flag says:

        So, do not work within the ‘party’ mechanism.

        Get out of the box of that thinking!

    • Cyndi P says:

      G.A. Rowe,

      The main problem is not that there isn’t anyone to tell the Obamatron Sheeple. The problem is that the sheeple REFUSE to see it. Its a bit like the old joke of how many shrinks does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: Only one, but the light bulb has to want to change. I have a feeling that when reality gives the sheeple a swift kick in the arse, that’s when they’ll be receptive to the message, and not before. My main worry about this has to do with the government/Obama respecting the will of the people. Obama seems to have alot in common with Hugo Chavez and others of that ilk. So, if we vote him out, will he go, or will he send out his goons?

  24. Walt Minnick (D-ID), my congressman, voted against Cap & Trade. He’s a freshman this year and apparently still has retained some common sense. Of course, Idaho is very conservative and he probably knows he’d booted out right quick if he went liberal. I actually think he has his head on straight though and so far, I’ve been pleased with the way he’s voting on issues.

  25. R.I.P, Michael Jackson.

  26. Good morning everyone

    Don’t know if any of you know who Billy Mays is, the pitchman for all those products he sold on TV, anyway, I just read that he was found dead around 7:45 this morning by his wife. They will be performing an autopsy on him to determine the cause of his death. WOW! I guess you can say, that’s 4 who died just within a week. He may not have been as famous as the rest who passed this week, but you couldn’t turn on TV without seeing him on there selling something and how great it was. What a shock that was to read. He was 50 years old. Just thought I’d pass that news along.

    Good Day to All
    Judy

    • Black Flag says:

      It appears he was struck in the head by luggage during a bad landing the night before.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a hemorrhage on the brain – it is a rare – but it does occur that hits on the head will kill hours later.

  27. I will start by saying this is my first time posting something on this blog and I hope to get some good responses. First on the post of climate change: I agree, if one looks at the net worth of Al Gore since he left office and began traveling around the world in private jets spreading the gospel on how bad we are destroying the earth it’s obvious that he has a vested interest (along with G.E.) in the confirmation of global warming as an indisputable fact. This goes without mentioning that there are just as many scientists/ environmentalists with the same credentials that disagree with the theory of global warming who are basically black listed, as are the vast amount of scientists who disagree with the fact that HIV causes a condition known as Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome(AIDS). And one can never forget the same group of scientists who now say that we are going to burn, three decades ago said we were going to freeze.

    As for the Michael Jackson post I felt that it is actually shockingly heartfelt and well said. He was in my opinion the single most, greatest performer of all time!

    As for the post on reparations I disagree fundamentally with the arguments presented in the post and the majority of the responses. First, let me start by saying that even if the United States (U.S.) government decided to give reparations for slavery today, Black people should not accept it. Why? One, because the dollar is not worth much anymore and is persistent in its decline as far as value (not reputation) is concerned, due largely from the debt inducing credit currency system put in place by the Federal Reserve; U.S. money for slave reparations would still literally be an IOU. (By the way the dollar value will continue to plunge with the system of socialism Obama is putting into place.) But even if the dollar were still backed by a tangible natural resource, NO dollar amount could ever make up for that experience or its long lasting effects. True reparations should come in the form of true education, not the poor excuse for public education provided via of the Department of Education. I think it is supremely insane for Black people to sit around asking for reparations or even wanting them to be given not because it they are not due, but because this is literally the equivalent to being punched in the face by someone and knocked to the floor and sitting on the floor waiting for the same person who knocked you on to the floor to pick you up off of the floor with the same hand that put you there. Is it just, yes, will it come, NO! Black people, in my opinion, should pick themselves up off of this floor. Next in response to rba’s post one person wrote GET OVER IT, I hear this a lot when it comes to Black people and their experiences in the U.S. Yet this same sentiment is rarely used in reference to Jews in the holocaust. The U.S. has aided in the reparations process of the Jews for the holocaust and continues to do so with billions in money, mountains of resources and manpower in the form of military training and protection. The U.S. was directly involved in the establishment of a homeland, setting up of a independent government, militarizing the population, and creating an educational system which has made Israel a self sustaining nation for the Jews effected by the holocaust, a crime the U.S. did not commit. Did you commit the holocaust? When was the last time you complained about paying for it? Currently millions of U.S. tax dollars go towards the maintenance and operating cost of the holocaust museum quarterly, a crime that did not even happen on this soil. Many would argue that this was because people affected by the holocaust are still alive and that slavery was “300” years ago (2009 – 1865 = 144), but there are people still alive and ticking that lived under Jim Crow. In fact, does anyone find it ironic the U.S. was so invested in establishing a fair society for the Jews who suffered through the Holocaust because of the oppression and genocide they faced, when at that same time (1948) black taxpaying citizens had no protection under the law; this provided the opportunity for the wave of domestic terrorism experienced by Black people at the hands of their “fellow” Americans. Not to mention the “Tuskegee Experiment” where blacks were told they were getting polo vaccinations but instead were kindly injected with Syphilis that went untreated by their own government, my roommate’s grandfather is still alive and was in the Tuskegee Experiment, the longest running human experiment in human history. Also I see so many people restating the fact that Africans participated in the slave trade, well there were many Jews that help the German’s Workers Socialist party, a.k.a. the Nazi party rise to power does this changed the crime that took place and its lasting effects? And just to add there is not a single historian or cultural anthropologist that denies the cultural difference between western or European slavery and the system of slavery which existed in pre-colonial African cultures. A good source for anyone who questions this is Dr. Albert Pike who was an admitted white supremacist and favored slavery greatly, in his book written in the mid 19th century entitled, “Morals and Dogma of Ancient Free and Accepted Scottish Rite Freemasonry” he speaks at great length of how the “differences of slavery between the two cultures made it easy to acquire slaves”, he also stated that this pleased him greatly. Finally I have read many points on previous post on this blog about how the U.S. is creating a mountain of debt which will be paid by our children. Now it is known that debt can be passed from one generation to another. The grandchildren of this generation did not create this mountain of debt from the spending we are currently responsible for, however they will inherit it. Now if I can inherit my forefather’s debt, why then can’t I inherit the debt owed to my forefather hence reparations??? So it’s ok to share the debt but not the wealth? But as for reparations is concerned, I am a black man and I DON’T WANT IT, even if you wanted to give it to me. However I insist that reparations are justified.

    • Amazed1 says:

      Does the US owe reparations to enslaved Africans. Maybe, but to compare Jews to Africa slaves is like comparing apples and oranges. The Jewish people did not get sold to slaughter they were rounded up and placed in concentration camps. They were starved and gassed. As far as I know that did not happen to the African slaves….lots of them were treated as very valuable pieces of property, some were not. Some African were brought here as indentured, some were not. A government mistreated the Jewish people, People mistreated the African slaves. Africans had and still have a homeland, the Jewish people did not (infact no one wanted to take them in so they were given a place to go when all the countries started kicking them out). The Africans slaves ancestry of today does participate in our education system and are protected by our military.
      My ancestors were share croppers and did not own slaves, neither bought or indentured. Lots of indentured slaves were treated badly too. Was it horrible what was done to the Jews, Indians and the Africans? YES. But how does anyone decide who gets what….does an indentured or northern African get the same as a slave in the south? Who pays? Me and my ancestry did not have any part of slavery should I be made to pay? Money will not change what has happened, the past can not be fixed, changed or taken back.
      What wealth? Most Southerners living the slavery way of life had nothing after the war. What debt? the debt that the government racks up with medicade, welfare and all other tax and spend programs? I would think that since the debt is happening under our watch and appears to continue for years to come I don’t think there will be any problem deciding who needs to pay for it….everyone will, Who lives and works in the next 20 generations.

    • Alan F. says:

      Not “Africans participated in the slave trade” but in fact may have “initiated” as in being “the very first to ever have done such” with those whose physical appearance was most similar. “Many would argue that this was because people affected by the holocaust are still alive and that slavery was “300” years ago…” on this board I’ve never seen such simpletons as would pitch this but if I run into one, I’ll certainly post to their idiocy.

      As for the Jewish argument you use the answer lies in what “genocide” is but without concern for time-line we can go back thousands of years to the Jewish clearly having been themselves slaves and as such how could any claiming slaves as ancestors begrudge the Jewish anything? They can’t without negating any sympathy for their own.

      In the case of “I deserve” though, who is to say another group unworthy? Certainly not one of those hoping to receive and so they all pile on…

    • Bama Dad says:

      ture said
      “Yet this same sentiment is rarely used in reference to Jews in the holocaust. The U.S. has aided in the reparations process of the Jews for the holocaust and continues to do so with billions in money, mountains of resources and manpower in the form of military training and protection. The U.S. was directly involved in the establishment of a homeland, setting up of a independent government, militarizing the population, and creating an educational system which has made Israel a self sustaining nation for the Jews effected by the holocaust, a crime the U.S. did not commit.”
      From US State Department Records:
      On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.
      Although the United States backed Resolution 181, the U.S. Department of State recommended the creation of a United Nations trusteeship with limits on Jewish immigration and a division of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab provinces but not states. The State Department, concerned about the possibility of an increasing Soviet role in the Arab world and the potential for restriction by Arab oil producing nations of oil supplies to the United States, advised against U.S. intervention on behalf of the Jews. Later, as the date for British departure from Palestine drew near, the Department of State grew concerned about the possibility of an all-out war in Palestine as Arab states threatened to attack almost as soon as the UN passed the partition resolution.
      Despite growing conflict between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews and despite the Department of State’s endorsement of a trusteeship, Truman ultimately decided to recognize the state Israel.
      The US did not setup the State of Israel, the UN did. The US and Russia were the first nations to officially recognize them.
      As to arming Israel for “reparations process of the Jews for the holocaust” digest the following:
      During the first twenty years following Israel’s independence, United States policy in the Middle East was driven by two major policy concerns: The prevention of an arms race in the Near East[8], and the prevention of the spread of Soviet influence. The Eisenhower Administration promulgated the Tripartite Declaration of 1950 for these reasons, as well as to guarantee the territorial status quo determined by 1949 Armistice Agreements. Israel’s main military patron at the time was France, which supported Israel by providing it with advanced military equipment and technology, such as the Dassault Mystère fighter-bomber aircraft. Initially, the US government resisted pressure by Israel and Arab countries in the region to sell them advanced weapons. In response to the supply of advanced fighter aircraft by the USSR to Iraq and the United Arab Republic, the US government agreed to sell MIM-23 Hawk anti-aircraft missiles to Israel in 1962, as a “specific action designed to meet a specific situation” which “by no means constitutes change in US policy in area.”. The Hawk system was approved on the grounds that it was a “purely defensive” weapon.[8]. Later, when Jordan threatened to turn to the USSR for weapons, the US agreed to sell tanks and jet aircraft to Jordan in order to prevent the spread of Soviet influence, and in return, agreed to sell similar systems to Israel.[9]
      During the early 1960s, the US government sought to establish a regional arms limitation agreement in the Middle East. The initiative lost steam in early 1965 after it was disclosed that the US had been indirectly supplying weapons to Israel via West Germany since 1962, under the terms of a 1960 secret agreement to supply Israel with $80 million worth of armaments. The remainder of the agreement was fulfilled publicly, following its disclosure by the U.S., with Israel receiving shipments of M48 Patton tanks in 1965 and A-4E Skyhawk attack aircraft in 1968.[10]
      US policy changed markedly after the Six-Day War of 1967, in response to a perception that many Arab states (notably Egypt) had permanently drifted toward the Soviet Union. In 1968, with strong support from Congress, U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson approved the sale of F-4 Phantom II fighters to Israel, establishing the precedent for U.S. support for Israel’s qualitative military edge over its neighbors. The U.S., however, would continue to supply arms to Israel’s neighbors, particularly Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, in order to counter Soviet arms sales and influence in the region.[citation needed]
      During the Yom Kippur War in 1973, the US mounted a major airlift codenamed Operation Nickel Grass to deliver weapons and supplies to Israel. Over 22,000 tons of tanks, artillery, ammunition, and other materiel were delivered to aid the Israeli military in response to a large-scale Soviet resupply effort of the Arab states. The operation was paralleled by a large-scale sealift of some 33,000 tons of materiel and the transfer of 40 F-4 Phantoms, 36 A-4 Skyhawks and twelve C-130 Hercules transport aircraft to replace Israeli war losses.[11]
      So arms sold to Israel were to counter Soviet influence not any reparations. Also About 70 percent of the funding for education in Israel comes from the central government; the rest comes from the cities or outside sources.

      • Amazed1 says:

        Good Job BAMA!!!

      • Bama said in response to my post that “The US did not setup the State of Israel, the UN did. The US and Russia were the first nations to officially recognize them.” In my post I never said that the U.S. set up Israel, I said that they were INVOLVED. “The U.S. was directly INVOLVED in the establishment of a homeland, setting up of a independent government, militarizing the population, and creating an educational system which has made Israel a self sustaining nation for the Jews effected by the holocaust, a crime the U.S. did not commit.” Now Bama for future reference I have a gift for you, here you can find the meanings to many words i have left the link for your convenience:

        in⋅volved –adjective- concerned in some affair; committed or engaged, as in a political cause or artistic movement:

        http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/involved

        Thank you very much for mentioning United Nations adopted Resolution 181, it proved my point. The US was INVOLVED as were other nations, via of the UN in the establishment of the state of Israel. I will just consider this a misread on your behalf, mistakes happen, next time please remember to read more carefully, thank you come again.

        • Black Flag says:

          The most important thing the US did in the founding of Israel was it was the first nation to recognize the State of Israel

          Further, the UN did NOT create the state of Israel. It created a partition of Palestine between Arabs and Jews.

          The Jewish Partition declared independence becoming Israel.

          • Bama dad says:

            BF
            Incorrect the Soviet Union was the first Country to fully recognize Israel. The US was the first to pay lip service to them. Full recognition by the US came 31 January 1949.

        • Bama dad says:

          Ture
          Thanks for the education, I don’t know how I survived all these years in the darkness about the word “INVOLVED”

          Let’s take some of these points line by line and see if we can digest them.
          “The U.S. was directly INVOLVED in the establishment of a homeland, setting up of an independent government”
          The final Declaration of Israel’s Independence was written by Yehuda Leib Maimon,
          Moshe Sharett and Aharon Zisling (there were others that had input). None of those guys were American. Israel declared independence 14 May 1948. The Soviet Union was the first nation to fully recognize Israel de jure on 17 May 1948, followed by communist Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ireland and South Africa The United States extended official recognition only several months later, on 31 January 1949. You would think if the US was in there stirring the pot to create a country they would not have waited 8 months to recognize them.
          Let’s address “militarizing the population”. As stated above France was Israel’s supplier of arms till 1962. If we gave to Israel we gave to the Arab States to maintain the status quo. The US began to be a major supplier in 1968 to counter Soviet arms buildup in the Middle East. So saying we militarize the population is a stretch. I will admit that we supply them with a lot of arms today, but I would see it more as supporting a democracy than a “reparations process”

          And now let us cover “and creating an educational system”. See last sentence of the above post. They again basically do their own thing.

          Now for the finally “Thank you very much for mentioning United Nations adopted Resolution 181, it proved my point.” Please do a little research when making a statement like that as Israel did not set itself up anything like UN Resolution 181 prescribed, they kind of did their own thing.

          As to your misstated points “I will just consider this a misread on your behalf, mistakes happen, next time please remember to read more carefully, thank you come again.”
          😛

          • Amazed1 says:

            Once again good job Bama…Reparations are paying for somethig without a value given. As far as I know the UK gave the land and Isreal paid for the arms…..I think that this is a very long stretch to even put it in the same ballfield with reparations. As far as acknowlegment of the Nation Isreal I don’t think that cost any money did it?

  28. Well I feel a bit better about the Senate rejecting the Kneecap and trade after reading this from Sen. Jim Inhofe (R. Ok).

    “Passing President Obama’s “cap and trade” energy program would cost the average Oklahoma family $3,200 a year, Sen. Jim Inhofe said Friday, but he’s confident the measure will be killed in the Senate no matter what happens in the House of Representatives.

    The Tulsa Republican, a longtime critic of what he considers “this hoax called global warming,” made his latest statements during a morning stop in Shawnee while House members in Washington were preparing to vote on the controversial issue.

    “Between the years of 1998 and 2005, I was the only member of the United States Senate who would take on what I call ‘the Hollywood elitists’ and the United Nations on this hoax called global warming and I went through seven years of purgatory on that issue.

    “But now I’ve been redeemed and the vast majority of the scientific community has now said Inhofe’s right and the United Nations is wrong and those individuals … have now said ‘no, the science is not there and these are natural cycles.”

    At the time of the interview Friday morning, he said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was only two votes short of winning and predicted that if she brought the question up for a vote, it would indicate she had found them.

    “It doesn’t matter,” he declared flatly, “because we’ll kill it in the Senate anyway.”

    Asked if he was confident that would be the case, Oklahoma’s senior senator said he was “absolutely certain.” He noted that it would take 60 votes to break an anticipated Republican filibuster over cap and trade and predicted the most the Democrats can muster is about 34.”

  29. This is how it came to pass . . .

    A good salesman died & went to the Pearly Gates -which had a long line that didn’t move- he pushed to the front & spoke to St. Pete, “What’s the hold up” St. Pete said that there was a strike in the Pedestal Factory & you need one to be in Heaven.
    Salesman said ” let me in for 1 hour & if I don’t get a pedestal I’ll stand in line like all these others” -St. Pete said O.K., so he went in & walked up to a guy on a pedestal & said “Pssst, hey you, Don’t tell anyone but but they’ve discovered Gold In hell, no one else knows about it & it can be your’s for the taking”, “Really” said the man, “go get it” said the Salesman, & the man jumped off his pedestal & ran down the street. “Well that was easy” said the salesman, as he climbed up on the pedestal.
    There he stood all content & happy, until he heard a fuss & commotion – loud shouting, that was growing louder. People were jumping off there Pedestals & running down the street in Heaven. As they passed they shouted” They’ve discovered Gold in Hell — they’ve discovered Gold In Hell!
    Finally several people tugged on the salesmans leg, shouting “Come on” “Really” said the salesman. “Yes –come on” they shouted. And the salesman jumped off his Pedestal & ran down the street with the rest of them!
    As he ran through the Pearly Gates, St. Pete grabbed his arm & said” Where are you going” & the near crazed salesman shouted “They’ve Discovered Gold in Hell” .
    St. Pete said “Wait a minute, You started that Rumor” & the salesman said “I know I did, But…. All these People Can’t be Wrong!”

    AND THAT’S THE WAY THE LIE OF GLOBAL WARMING BECAME THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL FORCE IN HUMAN HISTORY!!!!!!!!!

  30. Black Flag says:

    GO here:

    http://www.usdebtclock.org

    Remember, the clock has not added the $11 trillion of under funding of SS/Medicare.

    • Judy S. says:

      Holy Geez Louise!

    • Amazed1 says:

      Good grief BF….that just ruined my day! I couldn’t believe the CC Debt! Somebody needs to stop that clock or atleast wind it backwards or something.

  31. A little off topic here, but I just noticed some inconsistencies with some of the flood of Michael Jackson stories – just the old cop in me, I guess.

    Check out these two stories – both from Fox News Internet, and both describing two distinctly different scenes on how Jackson was found. This is what we used to call a clue when I was a working stiff . . .

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529341,00.html

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529321,00.html

  32. Black Flag says:

    “… the United States has given frequent and enthusiastic support to the overthrow of democracy in favor of “investor friendly” regimes. The World Bank, IMF, and private banks have consistently lavished huge sums on terror regimes, following their displacement of democratic governments, and a number of quantitative studies have shown a systematic positive relationship between U.S. and IMF / World Bank aid to countries and their violations of human rights.”– Edward S. Herman, economist, author, and US media and foreign policy critic

  33. Assume for a moment that recorded Human history can be traced back six thousand years. Create a time line on a piece of paper, let it be six inches long. Mark off the period of time when slavery has not existed. How long is the line?

    Who are entitled to reparations?

    100% pureblood descendants of African Slaves?

    Mixed race descendants of African slaves where the race mixing occurred prior to emancipation? Secondary question, entitled to full or partial reparations?

    Mixed race descendants where the mixing occurred voluntarily after emancipation. Secondary question, entitled to full or partial?

    West Indian immigrants to the United States after emancipation?

    African immigrants after emancipation?

    Who will be able or willing to distinguish the entitled from the non entitled?

    England owes reparations to every Irishman alive today.

    • Black Flag says:

      And Welsh man too! 😉

    • In my humble opinion I believe that no one should get reparations for anyone having ancestors that were slaves. The taking and keeping of slaves has been very common throughout human history. It is even reported in the Christian Bible as what was a common practice even before Christ was born. Literally every society that ever existed throughout this planet has taken and kept slaves at one time in their existence. We have all had ancestors somewhere in time who have been slaves, so get over it already and get on with our lives. There are much more important things to worry about than the far distant past.

  34. Who is going to be first to say that if there we had Obamacare, MJ would be alive!

  35. A little different perspective – quotes from : http://theblacksphere.net/site/acorn-get-the-mine/

    Democrat slavery is alive and well, as it is a white slave Massa who is the overseer at ACORN.

    “keeping black people ignorant and voting democrat” program

  36. Ray Hawkins says:

    Sorry for another off-topic here – am looking for sources on homeschooling.

    I know several in here have or are doing this so I am curious where you went for resources, knowledge, help, etc. While I am several years away from this decision, in my mind its something I want to understand to the nth degree and plan appropriately with work, career, balancing, etc. Anyone interested in offline dialogue please let me know via USW – he has my email.

    As FYI – my School District website has some homeschooling info but I am not sure if that is where I start.

    Thanks and regards,

    Ray

    • Black Flag says:

      What state do you live in, Ray?

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Pennsylvania – Chester County – Downingtown Area School District (whom I have already been told does not encourage or appreciate alternate POVs)

        I’m pretty serious about this effort – at the age of 37 with a newborn/first born I feel very compelled to be better informed than I may have been 10 years ago.

        Any help or pointers is very appreciated.

        • Black Flag says:

          I’ve asked USWep to cross-forward our email addresses so we can chat off-line (for privacy) on direct specifics.

          However, on a general note which may be valuable to others.

          We, personally, do “un-schooling” (I believe Michelle here on the blog does the same thing).

          It is child-motivated; we followed her interests and vigorously expanded on them.

          For others, they adopt a little more structure. We did not introduce strict structure early in her childhood – for many reasons – but now as she is more mature, we are introducing those skills now as well.

          With maturity, comes focus and discipline and structure becomes a natural expression. Forcing it too early only generates frustration and long-term resistance (IMO).

          We decided (err..I decided 😉 ) that we would home-school pre-K to 12 … and it scared my wife. She felt she had no ability to teach “High School” level courses.

          I was convinced that my wife (er… ‘we’ 😉 )would ‘learn’ into the years – and sure enough, that’s what happens. So the plan is working. (Wife is ‘primary educator’ in our home – I only help a bit on the science and math)

          Here is a bit of other parents plans along with some of ours – this is our teenage-years strategy.

          I’m offering a part of it now, to show that when that day eventually comes, there is lots of materials and strategies to continue the learning experience right through young adult years.

          I find this is the biggest concern of most home-schoolers – the ‘High School’ years – so to see that there are powerful strategies for that time, it helps calm early home-schoolers to actually dive in.

          1. Buy the Robinson Curriculum ($195) . . . once. It’s a self-teaching curriculum.

          2. Buy Ray’s Arithmetic ($59), once.

          3. Use the instructional math videos on http://www.KhanAcademy.org.

          4. Limit the school day to four hours a day, beginning with math.

          5. Have them lecture to the wall, summarizing and internalizing “I’m stuck” course material in their own words.

          6. Run the home school year-round.

          7. Limit television/video games to (at most) three hours a day.

          8. Have the older children start a small business.

          9. Download practice exams from the MIT free site for the kids to learn how to take exams.

          10. Make sure they learn how to type.

          If you limit the number of hours a day you actually homeschool, you can sell the idea of year-round school. This way, the student does not forget the course material.

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            This is extremely helpful BF – a tremendous thanks and look forward to additional dialogue.

        • Black Flag says:

          As well,

          Are you willing to relocate to another State that is more supportive of home schooling?

          Are the extended family (grandparents, uncles/aunts) supporting or condemning your choice to home school?

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            Relocation may be tough. Am expecting to play a role in elder care in the next couple of years as the prior generation ages – but it is not totally off the table.

            I’m not sure how the family would respond and have not previously considered that aspect. I’d wonder as well what they could offer – maternal side are some bright bio-chemists (and an Uncle fighting his way thru Johns Hopkins), paternal side are more practical life skills w/ my Mom and Dad.

  37. I would support money in Reparations to every black person in America on one condition. They and all their descendants could never be on any form of social service of any kind, ever. No welfare , no food stamps, no Medicare , no Medicaid, only Social Security if they actually worked a job of at least 30 years.

  38. Black Flag says:

    Bama Dad

    Before you claim me incorrect, review this:

    Please note the date.

    Thanks!

    • Black Flag says:

      Quote:
      The Soviet Union granted de jure recognition almost immediately in 1948 along with seven other states within the next five days (Guatemala, Byelorussia, the Ukraine, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Uruguay, and Yugoslavia).

      (BF: Hmm, that’s a stellar list – the communists recognized Israel – de jure – first….)

      The US waited until a permanent government – this is true, however, it was the immediate de facto recognition by the USA.

      • Bama dad says:

        BF
        You and I are splitting some very fine hairs on this one. My whole post was to unhorse some of the points brought by Ture. I felt some of his “facts” were incorrect. If you want; I’ll squeal uncle and will go on to bigger and better things. Besides I thought he would be a drive by shooter, never to return.

  39. Dug up this article written last summer. Disclaimer: written by a Conservative and no, I have not researched each of the items stated and no, I’m not going to.

    http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB121856786326834083-lMyQjAxMDI5MTM4MDUzNjA3Wj.html

  40. Danak13 says:

    Better late than ever, I guess.

    Topic #1…. BS…..global warming is a “ponzi scheme” better than Madoff.

    Topic #2…. Too bad..he was a good dancer.

    Topic #3…. This administration has enslaved more people than anyone did centuries ago. Where is my reparation?

    I believe that about sums it up.

    D13

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