No Time Tonight

Sorry all, I have no time to dive into the political world this evening. I did watch the President’s speech and a “review” of it will be coming shortly. But tonight Canine Weapon was stealing all my time. Acting up as puppies do, so I sat with him a bit trying to calm him down. And to be honest, even when he wasn’t acting up, he just wanted to spend some time hanging out with “Dad”. I was reading my book and he curled up with his head in my lap and I didn’t have the heart to move him for about two and a half hours. By then it was almost 3:00 am. So I won’t throw up some bull tonight just to fill space. I urge you all to continue the discussions that I saw on the Open Mic thread. I was watching them when I could and was quite interested. Feel free to copy and paste conversations to this thread to continue them if you like. I should have more time to comment and participate in the conversations on Thursday, so I am looking forward to that. I saw Todd returned, which I was glad to see, and I wanted to answer his question so I will do that as well tomorrow.



  1. GreaterGoodscs says:

    Good speech, but just that (a speech). Best points he made were 1) we’re the only democracy late to the national health care game and 2) no American citizen should have to go bankrupt because they get sick.

    There was some rude crap that went on (from Republicans). Now we’ll see if Barack Bush III has any gravitas … he should hang the blue dogs blocking his bill out to dry. He shouldn’t waste two minutes debating the issue with Republicans except for Tort reform. He should get his party behind him and ram the bill down the other parties throat.

    He kind of made it the big issue by drawing a line in the sand with Republicans. If he comes up short, his presidency will be up for grabs in 2012. The problem for the Reps is they have NOBODY to challenge him. The problem for the country is it won’t make a difference. Ralph Nader is the only person who is there to represnt the people and my guess is if he ever won the money in this country would have him clipped within the first month of his administration.

    The pup had his head in your lap, USW … great picture. I know what you mean about not moving when those kodak moments come. I once pulled a muscle trying not to disturb our pup. Pups rule.

    • Richmond Spitfire says:

      Hi all,

      Posting to receive emailed comments.

      Have a wonderful day!


    • “He shouldn’t waste two minutes debating the issue with Republicans except for Tort reform. He should get his party behind him and ram the bill down the other parties throat.”

      This is exactly what is wrong with politics today…

      • Agree. We resented it when Bush did it. Just because the Republicans were guilty of using this approach doesn’t mean that it’s ok for us to.

        Still, I understand the sentiment – the Republicans in Congress have shown no interest in negotiating in good faith. They have actually admitted that a good portion of their opposition is due to a desire to deal a blow to the Obama administration. No matter how much ground he gives, I will be surprised if he gets a single Republican vote in the Senate. How, then, are you supposed to get a meaningful and important (in his opinion, I’m still undecided) bill passed?

        • It also appears as though democrats were not really willing to negotiate.

          BTW it’s not like republicans are only doing this to spite the president. Probably close to HALF of the American public do not want this plan to succeed! Why then would a representative of those people support the plan?

          • Perhaps the congressional progressive caucus isn’t negotiating but the rest are. The President has already given massive concessions and gotten nowhere.

            If close to half don’t want it (implying <50%), then most do? If so, doesn't that mean that it should pass since that's the point of a democracy?*

            Also, if half don't support it, you mean to tell me that ever one of them lives in a Republican district? How else to explain why they are all against it (with maybe a very few exceptions).

            *I actually don't subscribe to this view, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

            • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

              The most recent poling I saw on this issue was that 87% of Americans are happy with their existing healthcare and 57% do not want a bill that includes a “public option” and 52% do not favor any changes at all.

            • Matt:

              “Perhaps the congressional progressive caucus isn’t negotiating but the rest are. The President has already given massive concessions and gotten nowhere.”

              Regarding this whole honest negotiations drum you are beating. The Republicans on Baucus’ committee have been negotiating in good faith. Despite the orhestrations in their home districts during the break.

              The “Progressive Caucus” controls the committee assignments. They are the leadership. If they don’t want to negotiate it will not happen. The only thing you get is shell games to make US think there is some sort of bipartisan effort. Because WE Americans don’t like our politicians “bickering” over fundamental issues that affect our future as a free nation. God forbid they should stand on their principles and live with the consequences.

              Now you have been tossing this “negotiation” claim around so I ask you.

              Which Republicans are not negotiating in good faith and which are?

              Which Democrats are not negotiating in good faith and which are?

              And can you name one thing that Mr. Obama has conceded in his attempt to be bipartisan? Be careful, this truly is a trick question.

              Good Luck.

            • I’m saying that representatives should vote how their constituents want them to. If a democrat’s district opposes the plan, the democrat should vote against it. Is this not the definition of a democratic republic?

              • No, it’s not.

                In a Republic, the people vote for people to represent them. The representative make the decisions. They do what the people want because they want to be re-elected. But they are elected to make their own decisions – otherwise we’d have a straight democracy (read pandemonium).

                As for your prior question, the big O has given away single payer, the right to negotiate for lower prices, and the public option (they go back and forth on this, but probably given away). All high priorities for him.

                As for naming names, no can do right now. I’m buried today, but you may be correct in your assessment.. I’d be interested if you could support the converse argument though (sorry to shift the burden of proof).

                On Red Bull no. 4 so far today…. going to be a long one. :-/

                Interesting, if obviously very biased, article today in the Times..

              • In a Republic, the people vote for people to represent them. The representative make the decisions. They do what the people want because they want to be re-elected. But they are elected to make their own decisions – otherwise we’d have a straight democracy (read pandemonium).


                The word is Representative not decision-maker.

                They are supposed to represent the views of the People – not make decisions on some sort of ‘mandate’ or ‘on behalf of’.

        • Also, you’re saying that it is bad, but necessary (in this case). Why then would the practice ever stop? This is exactly the reason that I am losing faith in government. Our stupid two party system continues to whine and complain and then do exactly what they despised during the previous administration.

          • I’m saying it’s bad. Not necessary. I just state that I understand where they’re coming from.

        • Matt,

          “the Republicans in Congress have shown no interest in negotiating in good faith.” The Dem’s have the majority, what does it matter what the Rep’s do? Oh, some of the Dem’s
          smell the bulldookey and will not support this.

          My states own Sen Lincoln and Rep. Berry have stated they will not support any of the current bills proposed, and they
          are Dem’s.

          • LOI….The people of our state don’t want the Government in their healthcare. I guess our works better than states like CA, NY and some others. Our reps know we wont vote for them if they help push this through.

      • Greatergoodcs says:

        JB, did you feel this way when Bush and a Republican majority rammed their agenda down the Democrats’ throats?

        Just asking.

        • Yes, I most certainly do! I was not very active politically at the time (being a teenager :P), but I think it is a horrible action in retrospect.

          I am a big believer in making bills smaller and achieving things we can all agree on. I think it is wrong to attach amendments to spending bills. Pass what should be passed, not what we cannot agree on. I realize that little would get done in this manner, so maybe I’m being an idealist. It irks me to no end to hear my friend (liberal) say that repubs should have voted for the stimulus bill because the dems conceded on some tax breaks. Just tossing in something you like does not change the fact that there are things you don’t like. Pass what we can all agree on!

          • Greatergoodcs says:

            I like what you’re saying … except “all agree on” is not gonna happen (why 304 million without a gov’t couldn’t possibly exist peacefully — there would never be agreement on anything.

            The added on pork is insane but since both parties are owned by big money we need to give another party a chance. Nader (easy, take deep breaths) … anybody to the left of what we have today …

            • PeterB in Indianapolis says:


              Do you ever agree with your neighbors on anything?

              Do you ever agree with members of your community on things that should go on in the community?

              Does it require government intervention in order for you to agree with your neighbors or the members of your community?

              Sure, you are not going to agree all the time on every issue, but even with government, that already happens, so what is the big deal?

    • GG, you are a hoot!!! (By the way, that means you are a comedian)…Let’s see. I watched it last night and there was nothing new except to say that anyone that does not blindly support him is a liar and un-American.

      In its current form, Medicaid and Medicare will not allow a family to go bankrupt. Unless you envision bankruptcy as not having an I phone, TIVO, Computer, WIFI, Guitar Hero, etc. So bankruptcy is not an issue.

      I am really sick and tired of wanting to emulate Europe. I do not give a rat’s ass about Europe at all. I do not care if they fall off into the ocean or become the next Islamic State, which they are fast becoming. So using Europe as a model is the most asinine thing an American President could say and, quite frankly, a coward’s way out.

      The rudeness that went on….well…what else is new. the Democrats did it to Bush Jr., the Repubs did it to Clinton, the Democrats did it to Bush senior and to Reagan. And BOTH houses did it to Carter. I hate it when that happens from either side. Makes us like the Parliament in England and that is not a good example either.

      I quite agree that he should hang the Blue Dogs and shove the bill down our throats. Go ahead and do that. That is the best wake up call that could happen to this country. It will not work and everyone, including you, GG, knows this. The damage would not be permanent either. The best way to turn this country ultra conservative…ram it down our collective throats. You are under estimating the kick back. I do not want ultra conservative either. I am not a Puritan nor am I in favor of a theocracy.

      As far as the line drawn in the sand…how original. Obama did nothing but do a pep talk for his hard left wingers, and the fact is…everyone knows it. His speech was rah rah and everyone knows that as well. He is not in control. Congress and the hard left is in control and everyone knows that. 2010 will be interesting. Several of the hard left congressional members are having a hard time in their States. I also noticed that there are several left leaning republicans having a hard time in Republican states. There is no one right now ready to challenge Obama….but that is not needed until 2012. The tactic of waiting to initiate the “spendulus” bill until the year 2010 will also not work at the voting booth. I am actually seeing and hearing the moderates that did vote for BO and even a couple of hard left friends of mine that voted for him are very disappointed and if they hold true to their word, they are not voting democrat in the 2010.

      So, GG….let him jam down our collective throats. We will survive it and it will end. It is very simple….what goes around will come around….a more conservative congress will undo the things that a radical congress does….and we will continue to have investigations and allegations on both sides of the aisle….the lies will continue, the “good old boy” (that I actually hoped would change) will continue, and politics will not change too much. There will never be a third party because the only thing that will bring Dems and Repubs together is a third party and they will come together to defeat it.

      Ralph Nader has about as much a chance at the Presidency as Alice in Wonderland as his Vice President. I really am very sorry for my children and grand children. We have not helped them at all.

      You know, the one thing that really is amazing (and no one believes it, except the incredibly stupid), is this bullshit rhetoric about bringing America “back from the edge of the precipice”. There is nothing further from the truth. The Congress, at his urging, has pushed us over the precipice…we have just not hit bottom yet. Sorta like jumping out of an airplane with a parachute that everyone claims is going to work…and then you look up and see a “Mae West”, the fall is slowed but the impact will still kill you.

      And in closing, I suggest that everyone read HR3200 in its ENTIRETY….I have and Obama needs to do his own homework…because it is in the bill in its current state, of rationed care, and,even though the bill purportedly states illegals can not get the coverage, I suggest you read the qualifications of coverage and you will see that the proof of qualification does not rule out the forged SSN numbers, DL’s, and it does NOT require a CERTIFIED” copy of the birth certificate. It is what you don’t see that is the problem….

      So, in conclusion, same bat politics, same bat channel, same bat bullshit…same bat result and a deficit and debt load never before done in history.


      • Oh…one other thing…..

        Can someone tell me why Congress is letting a sitting President usurp its own authority? Why is Congress sitting on their ass and not passing a bill to stop this Czar thing? Amazing.

        • Ray Hawkins says:

          They are not “Czars” – that is a media term – most have actual job titles and responsibility and report to the President as his employees. These adviser and Director level positions have been around for decades – odd that under this President has it finally become an issue

          Important issues should merit acquisition of appropriate subject matter expertise – to date – and at least in the Jones instance, does not always occur

          I’m always a fan of ‘more information is better’

          I’d love to know how many current jobs require Congressional approval. The number is likely in the hundreds (I thought also that was an in issue at Treasury that SecTreas had a lot of empty offices because they were hung up trying to get people approved. I do not agree that the President should be required to have his entire Org Structure approved by Congress – separation of powers. There should be some vetting over ‘office creation’ that requires approval.

          • Presidential advisors do not require congressional confirmation. If one of those “advisors” was given presidential authority, he/she then must be approved by congress. Pretty much exactly why the three branch system was created.

          • Ray,

            Is Czars not an Obama term as well? How many is he going to hire and how much will they be paid? Is this another way he’s trying to stimulate the economy?

            • Ray Hawkins says:

              Don’t be so shallow on this – as I said – I think any new offices in the org structure should require some scrutiny so we aren’t pissing away money on offices that are irrelevant or a place to reward political cronies – age old axiom of once its created it never goes away (or does not seem to). Calling them czars is just playing the linguistic trap – one that the Dems fall in themselves and the Repubs before them. Calling someone a ‘czar’ carries different meaning to folks rather than actual job title (e.g. ‘Director of ……’).

              • Ray-

                I think that, given the current structure, what should be going on is that any Presidential appointee given authority should be approved by Congress; any other job position that needs to be filled should be appointed by another appointee who already has Congressional approval, without the need for further approval.

            • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

              The “Czars” term has been around for a long time. Reagan had “Czars” and they were referred to as such. However, most of the searching I have done indicates that every modern president before George W. Bush had fewer than 10 of these postions, George W. had 12 of them, and Obama has somewhere north of 40 of them.

          • Thanks for your input….it seems that these “advisors” have supervisory authority. Are you trying to tell me they do not have policy authority and cannot create policy with rules that must be followed? If that is the case, why, then, is Christopher Dodd, raising hell about the number he has and the amount of money they control and it is by passing Congress?

            How you doing, Ray? How’s the yard, my friend.

            • Ray Hawkins says:

              Some of them do have policy authority – they are acting on behalf of the Executive branch. So where do you draw the line? Should the white house chef require congress approval since he/she decides policy around menu choices for state dinners? There’s still vertical consult that occurs, likely thru Rahm or someone similar.

              • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

                LOL, leave it to Ray to come up with something totally ridiculous in the name of an “argument”.

                I think it is pretty well recognized that the White House chef has very little impact on anything even vaguely resembling national policy… care to try again Ray?

              • Ray Hawkins says:

                Peter – leave it up to you to lack a sense of humor – LOL. 🙂

                My point is where are you going to draw the line? Where is that line between appropriate oversight and handcuffing POTUS? He still has to answer to what his org structure does.

              • PeterB in Indianapolis says:


                Even Robert Byrd has warned Obama that his many Czars may be bypassing the normal channels of checks and balances and giving too much power to the executive branch of government.


              • First,

                The President has no authority to set “policy” – can you find this ‘authority’ in the Constitution anywhere, Ray?

                Thus, even more bizarrely – his ‘appointee’ have no Constitutional power to do likewise!

              • Ray Hawkins says:

                Greetings oh obtuse one – it need not be specifically constitutionally defined.

              • :blink: :blink:

                So, the President seizes what ever power he wants – because the Constitution doesn’t prohibit it?

                …and there are people who wonder how the government go out of control….


                The President has only the power expressly given by the Constitution – bluntly, if it is not there, he doesn’t have it.

                It does need to be SPECIFICALLY defined – or it cannot exist as his power.

                Your way kinda makes the Constitution redundant….oh, wait…it is.

        • Ray Hawkins says:
      • Can only answer sporadically today.

        you wrote: “In its current form, Medicaid and Medicare will not allow a family to go bankrupt. Unless you envision bankruptcy as not having an I phone, TIVO, Computer, WIFI, Guitar Hero, etc. So bankruptcy is not an issue.”

        Not true. If you’re a senior citizen you can only have X amount in your bank account, no “means” at all or they take it. My mother goes through this. We have to scam the system or she loses what she has.

        • Interesting,,,, I am not quite there yet, only 61….but both parents are alive at age 91 and 88 and both are wealthy and have absolutely no problem with medicaid and medicare and both have a supplemental policy as well that will cover what medicaid and Medicare do not cover.

          Interesting as to the qualifications. I will do some research and find out why the disparity. I have never heard of that before. Since I am the one that does all their filings, I have never seen a qualification for Medicaid or Medicare and never have we had to show bank reconciliations or anything.

          Neither one of them can drive any longer and I actually am the one that hands the doctors the Medicaid/Care cards. Interesting. will let you know what I find out.

        • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

          I believe what is being referred to here is the standard for obtaining government assistance for long-term care.

          Last I heard, if you wish the government to pay for long-term care (nursing home, assisted living, etc.) the recipient of such care essentially had to have almost no money of their own whatsoever.

      • Greatergoodcs says:

        Come on, D, tell me how you really feel.

        biggest debt in history thanks to the deregulation of the markets (Bush) and zero oversight (Barney Frank et al).

        Nader in 2012 …

        • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

          I find it interesting that people attempt to blaim the debt on Bush “deregulating” the markets.

          In reality, there were more regulations put in place under Bush than there were previously. He did remove SOME regulations, but he put in place a larger number than he removed.

          The reason the debt increased under Bush is the same reason the debt always increases… the government spent more money than it took in in revenue.

          • You know Peter. I had heard that also about Bush. That he put in more regulation than any President in History. The deregulation of Wall Street was Bill Clinton in 1999.

            And yes also. The deficit increased because the Government thinks there is no bottom to the money well.

            • Greatergoodcs says:

              I stand corrected: Ronald Reagan led a movement that came to power in 1980 proclaiming faith in free markets and mistrust of government. That conservative philosophy has dominated America for the past 28 years.

              Even after taxpayers had to rescue deregulated savings and loans, or S&Ls, with a $200 billion bailout in the late 1980s, the push to loosen regulation paused only briefly.

              In 1999, President Clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act, which tore down Glass-Steagall’s reforms by removing the walls separating banks, securities firms and insurers.

              Under President Clinton and his successor, the government became eager to promote home ownership. Interest rates were low, the market grew for loans to borrowers with weak credit and private-sector mortgage bonds boomed. About 38 percent of those bonds were backed by subprime loans. They are at the root of today’s financial crisis.

              A generation ago, banks, credit unions and S&Ls issued home mortgages that they retained on their books as an asset. The lenders had a stake in receiving full repayment of the loans from creditworthy borrowers.

              Both parties are at fault … why we need Nader in 2012!

              • Ron Paul would address this issue better than Nader. I’m not a big fan of either, but you might want to check out one of the Iraq wars most vocal critics.

              • Greatergoodcs says:

                I love what Paul had to say about Iraq and quite a few other issues, but he too was laughed off the stage by his own party. It’s absured that the major parties won’t permit guys like Paul or Kucinich or Nader on the debate stage.

              • GG

                Your vision is too short, hence, you make the same mistakes others have – over and over again.

                It is government regulation that caused the problem

                Because government prevents competition in the banking system – the banking system runs as a monopoly.

                In the latest issue of The New Republic, two economists outline what went wrong in 2008, why it went wrong, and why it will go wrong again. They present suggestions for a series of reforms. Like virtually all recommendations by economists, they are so divorced from reality that only economists could believe they are feasible.

                In 1800, , British bank owners had no limited liability protection. They could be thrown in debtors’ prison if their banks failed.

                When the law was changed by the government in the second half of the 19th century, bankers escaped all liability.

                In America, share owners were at risk for twice the value of their shares if the bank failed.

                With the coming of the Federal Reserve, a government created entity, the risk of being a banker fell.

                That was its purpose – the FED was created to reduce the risk of the bankers at the increasing risk of the depositors – by an act of government.

                The Federal Reserve has inflated in order to lower interest rates every time there has been a crisis since 1933.

                In fact, the FED did expand the monetary base in 1930-33, but the mythology of the tight-fisted FED continues to this day.

                The government enforces the banker’s monopoly.

                The moment government stops enforcing the banking monopoly, the bubble/bust economy of the US will settle to a steady, prosperous one.

        • GG

          The markets did not make the debt – the government made the debt.

          “Oversight”? of who? the FED? By who, for who?

    • GG – someone being rude? You objected when someone called out BO? But that is exactly what he said he would do with people that objected to his way. I take it that they were just following orders and calling it like they see it.

      And by the way, Wilson has already apologized; I doubt the same could be said for those Dems that booed Bush during his state of the union address a few years back.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Applause and booing – I maybe see as one thing – cancel each other out

        Folks like Eric Cantor playing on their Blackberries – fine – its rude and unprofessional – but hey – that’s Eric Cantor for ya

        Screaming out “YOU”RE LYING” – I think that takes it to another level – shows how much the Office is disrespected and how we continually lose any notion of decorum

        • Yes, it was wrong to do this….just as it was wrong for them to holler “imbecile” at Bush’s Presidential speech. No matter the political view, respect the office even if you do not respect the person.

          Much like a bad commander in the military. You may not like him, but respect the rank. It was earned no matter what…the office of the President was earned…no matter what.

          Nothing wrong with common courtesy.

        • Greatergoodcs says:

          Good point (applause and booing). It was a dog and pony show anyway.

          • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

            Has there been an SotU address in the past 40 years that has been anything other than a dog and pony show regardless of who the President was? 🙂

        • I may be wrong but from my memory-I don’t ever remember hearing another president making a speech where he actually attacked and laughed at people who disagree with him-something Obama does constantly. People under him certainly do but the Presidents in My memory which isn’t as good as it used to be, seem to rise above that tactic.

          • Hell, Obama laughed and made fun of the Tea Party goers. Nazi Pelosi Called us ‘Astroturf” and laughed at us.

            The freakin’ MEDIA laughed and made fun of us. The CITIZENS of the United States!

            After that happened a couple of times, I DON”T HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR THEIR OFFICE. Maybe if they showed the people some respect first, then I would return it.

            Those bastards have to EARN my respect now.

    • OK, let me get this straight., if I read you correctly, the program itself is absolutely, positively required. In your opinion and that of the president there can be no debate on this. therefore, we must pass it, by any means necessary, right?

      I for one, disagree, I do not think the best solution is to create this new monster. As Harry S. Truman would say, “Show me”. Eliminate the current fraud, waste and abuse in medicare and medicaid. Pass tort reform and allow insurers to sell in any state. After these things are done, then and only then see what still has to be done.

      If no one proposes to solve the small stuff first, who can trust or believe that the same or worse will not occur with the new program. As an example, I give you Reagan’s immigration reform which was supposed to solve the border problems and only exacerbated them.

    • I believe that many people are missing the danger of “Czars” –

      – these guys are unelected, and are legislating your life. Read what they say – they use the first person in describing what their goals are:

      “I want to make legislation to…(whatever)”

      So how’s all that voting workin’ for ya?

      • Oh BF! Give it a rest! We already KNOW what you think about voting. I even partially agree. I’m just not QUITE ready to give up just yet. Maybe, OK probably after 2010. (if we make it that far)

        • Esom,

          That poster USWep had up a short time ago about Socialism:

          “It hasn’t worked at all in the past, but – what the heck – let’s give it one more try!”

          You laughed at the one, right?

          I laugh at you … Mr. “one more time” Esom! 😆

          • I know BF. I can’t help it. But at least I’m going to write one in if there’s no one that I like. Of course that’s gonna be like a fart in a Tornado. So I’ll laugh with you while I do it. 😆

      • Now Now..BF….(turning up magnetic resonance stream) I did not vote the Czars…however, your point is well taken. Still the only way to change things….so far. We can still change the makeup in 2010…if people will get off their ass.

  2. USW, Don’t spoil that pup too much, they know when they have ya!!!

    BO really poes use that promter well. While things need fixed, HR 3200 is akin to “ocean front property in Arizona” with a lime green AMC Gremlin thrown in for good measure. BO is a perfect salesman, to some anyway. I wonder how many were drinking the Ford Pinto flavored Kool-Aid last night?

    Have a great day!


    • Richmond Spitfire says:

      Hi G-Man,

      I went to bed last night instead of watching the speech. I’m watching videos this morning. Looks like the Gentleman from SC isn’t drinking that Pinto Kool-Aid.

      Almost reminded me a bit of videos I’ve seen from Great Britain’s House of Commons (or is it the House of Lords) and how they react to one another.

      Edward says below that its rude and he’s embarrassed. I have to say, initially, I was a bit taken aback (as it was so unusual), but maybe that’s what is needed…A verbal “Pow-Wow” and we’ll be saying “Wow” everything time…I dunno, but it sells itself, right?

      Best day to all of you!


      • Actually, I’m not embarrassed. The people that represent us (the great state of South Carolina) are an embarrassment to themselves.

  3. BO didn’t say anything democrats haven’t been saying. But hey, since BO said it its much more meaningful … right?

    The wording was very forceful when it talked about what the left wanted to do. He seemed to say some things to mollify the right, but the wording was kind of wishy washy sometimes. Sort of like he was acknowledging their ideas but didn’t put any stock in them.

    I thought the guy who yelled out “You lie!” (Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C) was out of line. I don’t agree with interrupting people during a speech, its very rude. But as the old joke goes “How can you tell when a politician (or lawyer) is lying? Their lips are moving.”

    Why did he have to be from South Carolina too? It seems like some of my representatives in government tend to be more of an embarrassment than most.

    • I wouldn’t be embarrassed. He did lie. He lied about several things. He stands there before Congress and claims things are not in that bill that are.

      1. You will not be forced to take the public option – it says that if you lose your job and insurance you have to take it. After 5 years you will be on it. And the Ultimate goal of HR3200 is for EVERYONE to be on a public plan

      2. No Rationing – Bullshit! Simply by adding 30 million people to insurance rolls you are going to have rationing

      3. What will be the limit on the Government paying for your insurance? Will that be the same as Medicaid? And how will you cut Medicare to pay for the deadbeats and those who just can’t afford it? Since I happen to have parents on Medicare, that pisses me off. That tells me that the folks who worked all their life to EARN their Medicare and SS will now have their benefits cut to pay for someone else less deserving. Like their benefits are so great to begin with.

      So for me, his speech was pure horse feces. Had I been the Republicans, I would have stood up as one and just walked out in the middle of his bulldookey speech as soon as he said he wasn’t backing off of the public option.

  4. POTUS – “You see, our predecessors understood that government could not, and should not, solve every problem. They understood that there are instances when the gains in security from government action are not worth the added constraints on our freedom.”

    I do not think that many politicians in the last 100 years, especially the last 25 years, have not tried to solve every problem through legislation.

    POTUS – “But they also understood that the danger of too much government is matched by the perils of too little; that without the leavening hand of wise policy, markets can crash, monopolies can stifle competition, the vulnerable can be exploited.”

    “You Lie!” – It was me this time. Government intervention caused those things to happen. He is acting like the solution is more government intervention.

    POTUS “Everyone in this room knows what will happen if we do nothing. Our deficit will grow. More families will go bankrupt. More businesses will close. More Americans will lose their coverage when they are sick and need it the most. And more will die as a result. We know these things to be true.”

    Those things should happen. Its how life works. Its unfortunate that there are losers in this world, but that is why we put our stock in the next life that Jesus promised us. Obstacles are put in your path to test your faith and to bring you closer to God.

    I’d add comments to most of the things he said but I have to go to work.

    Link to speech transcript:

  5. You guys might appreciate this.

    The other day when USW posted the first in his health care series, I emailed Bob Cesca to see if he wanted to come defend his views. His response: “I would rather shoot myself in the foot than deal with those wingnuts.”

    The art of civil debate is lost on some.

    • I have a pistol (.22, .40, or 9mm) if he is anywhere in the DC area. As long as I do not have to cross state lines, i will be glad to lend it to him for some target practice. (to make sure he does not miss)

    • My other comment is how can someone who is not civil to begin with have a civil debate??

    • Plus he’d have to deal with those things called facts here. From what I’ve read of his stuff, he doesn’t like those silly things to get in the way of his diatribes.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      What you said is so true. Civil debate is an art, and it is lost on many, not just some. Bob Cesca is not capable of it, because he views anyone who disagrees with him as sub-human and incapable of intelligent thought. After all, there is no way anyone who disagrees with him could actually be intelligent, right?

      I believe that it is people like Mr. Cesca that will be the ultimate reason for the failure of the current version of the “American left”.

      The American people don’t like to be told, “I am right, and if you disagree with me you are an idiot.” They tend to reject people like that fairly quickly. I see the most vocal people on the “left” as mostly being of this mindset. They are so convinced of their own rightness that they feel like they do not have to provide any facts, explaniations, or justification for their positions. Their “rightness” should be so patently obvious that any statement which they make should simply be beyond question.

      A very large majority of Americans have one reaction to people like that – they tend to tune them out.

      If you are capable of recognizing that the opposition to you is intelligent, has some valid points to make, and has a different approach to problem solving which is not necessarily completely invalid, then you are capable of civil debate. If you blindly dismiss all opposition as “crazy” or “wingnuts” or “idiots”, you simply lack the capability for such.

      • It’s very interesting you say that, because some of the loudest voices on the right in my opinion are exactly the same way (Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, Rove, and our new friend, the Congressman from South Carolina).

        • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

          Yes, I agree that some of them on the “right” are this way as well. I was merely picking on the “left” since we were talking about Cesca.

          There are indeed blowhards on both “sides”.

          • Beck is not on the right. Beck is like me, against them all. He says all the time that it’s not about Rep or Dem, it’s about doing the right thing and being honest with The People. He simply wants honest answers to the questions he and many others have.

            Any one want to argue with the correctness of that statement?

            Whether you like him or not doesn’t make it any less true.

            The others you are right about though.

            • Beck is on the right although I would put him close to, maybe a little left of USW.

              If Beck keeps on his current path he will be a Libertarian by Christmas and an Anarchist by next summer. Then BF and Kent will have a major media outlet. Wait, by then he will have been run off the airwaves due to his “nutjob” beliefs. Sorry, guys. Still no spokesman.

              The others are in fact on the left. Even Limbaugh, although he wouldn’t have a clue as to why.

      • And we need to remember that there are people on the right that are just as bad. I am well right of center but realize that some of those on the extreme right ARE wingnuts, just like the ones on the extreme left.

        I truly believe that most of America could come together with a compromise that would work best for all if these extreme banana-brains would get out of the way and shut the hell up.

        As far as the politicians go though, they are all crazy lunatics who only think of what’s best for the Party they belong to and legislate accordingly.

      • Note, by the way, that I say loudest, not majority. From here on the left, the voices that reach us the most are mostly the inflammatory ones, likewise for you on the right.

    • I agree, Matt, civil argument is lacking completely within politics. An area of humanity were violence on non-violent people can be condoned -if not applauded- it is no surprise that this underlying core infects every part of their behavior.

      If you don’t agree with Bob, he’ll (with words, in this case) club you with ad hominems.

      Not much different in philosophy than a politician – if you disagree with him, he sends the Army or the Police.

  6. Good Day All,

    Like D13, I have read the bill. I figure I cant argue about it if I dont know what is in the bill. Obama was not truthful on some his points. I think that at this point they (Congress) are going to shove it down our throats, no real doubt to that anymore. If so, I believe will seal their fate. I think America in general are going to rally agaisnt it and win. My issue with it is it does fix anything, just adds to the issues.
    I dont like that Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C shouted out during the speech. Because it is rude to do so. If you have a different view, then say it correctly.

    • Yep…that shouting like that is pretty stupid. Shouting does nothing except exacerbate the problem. Unfortunately, it will continue as there are no statesmen anymore.

    • Ellen,

      Good points. What I cannot figure out, how can so many still support this, knowing they (Obama)are not being truthful? Its like when my kids want money for one of those crane games, that drops the toy 98% of the time. Even a seven year old understands its a rip-off, but its not his money anyway, but if he gets lucky, he gets to keep the prize.

  7. Richmond Spitfire says:

    Hi all,

    I just received an email that a man holding shows a homemade sign at one of the Tea Parties. Anyway, I’m going to do my best to describe the sign to you (wish I could just paste the sign here).

    Anyway, here goes:

    This Little Piggie Scares the Markets (a drawn pig with “Obama” written on it)

    This Little Piggie Steals Homes (a drawn pig with “Acorn” written on it)

    This Little Piggie has Roast Port (a drawn pig with “Congress” written on it)

    This Little Piggie gets NONE (and has to pay for everything!) (a drawn pig with “US Taxpayer written on it)

    And this Little Piggie cries “Me, Me, Me!” then eats us out of House and Home (a larger drawn pig with “Big Government” written on it).

    It’s a great sign! Very creative…

    Best Regards,

  8. This looks interesting, I think if Bush had done this, there would be a lot of media attention.

    Cyndi P said
    September 10, 2009 at 3:13 am


    What’s your take on this? I copied it from the Army Times site……

    Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

    3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
    By Gina Cavallaro – Staff writer
    Posted : Tuesday Sep 30, 2008 16:16:12 EDT

    The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

    Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

    Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

    It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

    But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

    After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

    “Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

    The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

    Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

    Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

    The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

    In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

    They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

    Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

    The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

    The package is for use only in war-zone operations, not for any domestic purpose.

    “It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

    The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

    “I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

    “I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds … it put me on my knees in seconds.”

    The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

    “I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home … and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

    While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

    “If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

    Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

    Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

    Other branches included
    The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

    Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

    A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

    In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

    There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

    One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

    “It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

    “I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

    • Love the comment:

      “We’re here to take care of the citizens — so Mafia-esk it’s scary.

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

        Yes, but the Mafia would do a better job at a lower cost even with all of the corruption 🙂

        • Greatergoodcs says:

          I’ll GUARANTEE you this (from experience). The mob wouldn’t have lent all those bucks out to people who couldn’t pay it back … and when it came time to collect? You got that right.

          On the other hand, the mob wouldn’t have let the borrowers (Wall Street, et al) set the terms of the loan (Bush/Obama). They wouldn’t have gotten dime 1 without guaranteeing they’d end outsourcing and end the layoffs. If they didn’t like it, they could’ve rolled over and died.

    • LOI……I am familiar with this….to mean I am aware. The significant issue is “training for this mission” and not doing it. The Posse Commitatus act still prohibits the use of Federal troops in any law enforcement or support function except in the event of a National Emergency or unless Congress specifically over rides in a vote that requires 75%.

      However, they can only be used when the State National Guard cannot perform the services. The National Guard is under the control of the governor of that specific state and is not subject to Posse Commitatus. That is why the National Guard are the units that quell riots and assist in natural disasters because Federal Troops cannot.

      The way around this is assigning Federal troops to the National Guard, under National Guard Command and the command of the governor. The POTUS does not have CIC authority over National Guard unless activated for war.

      My take on this is great and wonderful. The military has assets at its disposal and we are trained for foreign lands, why not use support for our own. One train of thought is that the taxes already support the military…..Federal tax dollars for Federal troops and State Tax dollars for National Guard. why not use our own troops in a training mode and build and maintain roads, infrastructure, dams, sanitation, etc. as a supplement to what civilian contractors cannot cover as a part of the overall training mission. Training only….not replacing. We have been doing this all along anyway and it has not receive very much attention.

      I was in command of a 900 man contingent during Hurricane Katrina. Assigned to the Texas National Guard and was deployed to New Orleans. We encamped 14 miles outside of New Orleans on donated ranch land and set up facilities for housing, sanitation, transportation, medical, and mess facilities. We could have handled 5,000. We were set up within 12 hours after the Hurricane. This is an example of what we can do….the unfortunate part of it was that the Louisiana Governor and the Mayor of New Orleans rejected our use. They preferred to handle it themselves and we were told to stand down, break camp, and go home. We had 6 locations set up to handle 30,000 people in 12 hours and not one person was assigned.

      Why? because the civilian authority and the National Guard did not have liason and communication capability and the mission focus was not the same. Perhaps this type of training will accomplish this and I am all for it. It is also great training for new officers and non commissioned officers for over seas deployment.

      This help any?

      Col D13

      • The whole reason why the People should disband the Army is precisely for the reasons D13 offered.

        First, civilians do not need centralized Command and Control – Walmart organized tons of supplies for Katrina – all by themselves – without the need of automatic rifles and the Green Berets.

        Civilian capability far outstrips military capability – because where do you think the military gets all of its stuff? It doesn’t produce anything – it uses everything that someone else made!

        Secondly, the Army is trained-incredibly well trained- to kill with precision, speed, and effectiveness. These are exactly the wrong guys that anyone wants to be organized, and commanded from a-far by a central structure.

        That ‘command’ from a-far – immune to the consequences of destruction – can set off thousands of robots – who feel it is ‘their duty to follow those orders’ to destroy, seize and occupy territory.

        The People need the forces of extreme violence to be disorganized and confused when confronting them – not organized and centralized.

        That is the reason the Posse Commitatus act exists – to prevent an large, organized, centralized military force from acting upon the people – IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER. The threat is too large regardless of whatever civil emergency.

        • However, in this case, the result was the destruction of the Super Dome, gang rapes within the dome, and thefts. Civilian capability was a total shambles in New Orleans. We had the facilities in place 72 hours before the civilians showed up and we could have taken the precise number that was in the Super Dome….it simply did not happen. The local police and fire force was more worried about their families instead of their own neighborhood, hence the introduction of military police. Once the MP’s were in place, the looting and shootings stopped.

          The reason it did not happen was because of jurisdictional disputes. The governor and the mayor exhibited the greatest amount of stupidity and a severe case of dumb s*** prior to the storm and multiplied tenfold after the storm. Not to mention the conspiracy theory that during the height of the storm, the Federal Gov’t dynamited the dikes to purposely flood New Orleans.

          The civilian authorities were simply not equipped nor trained in emergency deployment and they still are not. We can mobilize faster than FEMA could ever think about even this date. The governor can order the deployment of the National Guard and it can be on site in 24 hours. FEMA today requires 72 hours minimum.

          But because I know the power of our forces and how we are trained, I am not in support of law enforcement but I do think we can add to the response to weather emergencies. Yes, Walmart got supplies there. End of sentence. After it got there, the distribution broke down. Logistics is not an easy task and centralized command and control is a necessity….

          The civilian authority could take a lesson from the military in these type of cases.

          • Let’s be clear.

            Wal-mart was prevented by force from not reaching the area by the police and military.

            The civilians – themselves – had good control of the situation before the government got off their butt – this has been well documented.

            I wholly disagree with your belief of logistics and the military. The free market makes the military ability of logistics looks like a kid’s crayon drawing.

            The military should take lessons on the free market – which can get goods across the world, delivered to any door in America in 24 hrs – without having to shot one person.

            • Sorry are in the ozone on this one. Walmart was not the only one there…Home Depot stepped up…Loews stepped up…and several others. However, NO ONE that I saw was prevented from delivery to the people because delivery to them was impossible. The highways were jammed as it was for emergency vehicles. I spent four days there going back and forth and organizing logistical control to move the Walmart, Home Depot, etc. items after they were delivered. They had transportation to get there but not for dispersal. In addition, the dispersal had to be guarded by men with guns to prevent hijacking by the criminal element. We had to guard our tent cities to prevent theft as well by the criminal element. Central Command and control was needed and required.

              I do not know of what documentation you are talking about. When we arrived, there was relatively no police on site and they certainly were not patrolling. There were sporadic television helicopters trying to rescue and drop water and food and they created a more unsafe environment and hazard. The civilian control was not centralized and the right hand did not know what the left hand was doing. All transportation buses were under water and not utilized and there were no drivers. Some well meaning volunteers would take the water to help disperse and then sell it. There was no civilian back up source for gasoline or butane or propane for over 96 hours. The local police could not talk to the state police or the mayors office by radio because the frequencies were different and the phonetic alphabet was different. When the Feds did arrive, the communications went to hell again because the radios were different and the frequencies unassigned and not coordinated. Meaning that the dispersal units for food and water would be on the same freqs as the emergency fire units. Cell phones, for the most part, were inoperable and the rescue efforts not centralized to the point of not being able to prevent duplicate efforts. The medical community was so overtaxed that they were sending people hundreds of miles away when we had medical facilities 14 miles away for over 30,000. I was just in command of one that could handle 5,000 but there were others. We had senior officers in charge to prevent decentralization of emergency procedures and little utopias and power grabs. These were just a few items that we noticed. We sat empty for three days because of egos and the people be damned but since it was civilian rule, we were just support. This was first hand observation and I did write a very detailed report as did the other senior officers. Not a very good example of emergency response on this type of scale. When a tornado roars through and destroys a couple of blocks, no problem. But the scale of destruction is in direct proportion to response and even to this day, if a class 5 cane was roaring to New Orleans, the civilian authority is still not ready. That, sir, is fact because I have seen the “new” response plans.

              I will agree with you on the fact that the civilian logistics on normal operating days with no tragedies, house to house cannot be touched by the military. However, the converse is not true and, quite frankly, has never been tested. It is almost always the military that is first on site at the typhoon and earthquake areas. We are simply trained for emergency deployment far better than the civilian agencies are. After stabilization of the area, we back out and let the civilians run it lock stock after that. It is not our mission.

              Your disdain for the military is evident and that is ok with me and I know that, other than being well trained in destruction and death, the military is a pariah in your mind but it still does not refute the facts.

              I luv ya man….


              • Wal-Mart at Forefront of Hurricane Relief


                Wal-Mart’s response to Katrina — an unrivaled $20 million in cash donations, 1,500 truckloads of free merchandise, food for 100,000 meals and the promise of a job for every one of its displaced workers — has turned the chain into an unexpected lifeline for much of the Southeast and earned it near-universal praise at a time when the company is struggling to burnish its image.

                While state and federal officials have come under harsh criticism for their handling of the storm’s aftermath, Wal-Mart is being held up as a model for logistical efficiency and nimble disaster planning, which have allowed it to quickly deliver staples such as water, fuel and toilet paper to thousands of evacuees.

                ‘nuf said, D13?

              • BF…I did NOT say that they did not provide it….They did provide it and got it there and I wrote that in my report as well. Again, BF..they got the materials there very fast and very efficient and supplied everything that they said they did. THIS is not in dispute. Once the materials arrived, they could not disperse it. But getting it there was a marvel in transportation and the report does not give them enough credit for that… actually for they were there quicker than reported and the actual tonnage was the total tonnage, not what was there within 24 hours. The trucks rolled in, off loaded and rolled out for another load. That was the efficiency side of it. Trucks were rolling the whole time from distribution centers in Houston. I saw all of this. KUDOS to them.

                Getting it to the dome or out to the roof tops was another factor they could not do. There is a lot more to the picture than getting it there. They were a very important spoke in the wheel but not the entire wheel and that is not the issue here anyway.

                Yes, enough said, BF. Perhaps you should have been there. I also made the hurricane that hit western LA and Texas 10 days later.

              • Frankly, if was God (aka: President of the USA) – I would make it illegal for any military personal to be in uniform anywhere in public within the USA. Period.

                While in uniform, they would have to be on base – and stay there.

              • Understand your opinion in its entirety. Sorry that you have that view but are certainly entitled to it.

              • However, I’ll never be President —

              • If I promise to stay on my base in uniform, can I be the Military Czar of your presidency?

              • Only if you follow the program of turning the Dept. of Defense back into the Dept. of Defense

              • But, hey, I’d be assassinated two weeks later, and then you’d lose your job — unless of course, you’re part of the putz …. 😉 …then you’d get a promotion!

              • You’re President…I follow orders. You want defense..that is what it will be….you order me out..that is what it will be….your call. Am I hired?

              • And if I order the mass arrest of dissidents inside America, what will you do?

              • Richmond Spitfire says:

                Hey Black Flag,

                Can I be your Court Jester Czar. After you are assasinated, I promise to write an ode worthy of you and sing it with a sweet voice!


                Best Regards,


                The events in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina struck the city provide a new addition to this series of “subjects supposed to…”– the subject supposed to loot and rape.

                We all remember the reports on the disintegration of public order, the explosion of black violence, rape and looting.

                However, later inquiries demonstrated that, in the large majority of cases, these alleged orgies of violence did not occur:

                Non-verified rumors were simply reported as facts by the media.

                For example, on September 3, the Superintendent of the New Orleans Police Department told The New York Times about conditions at the Convention Center: “The tourists are walking around there, and as soon as these individuals see them, they’re being preyed upon. They are beating, they are raping them in the streets.”

                In an interview just weeks later, he conceded that some of his most shocking statements turned out to be untrue: “We have no official reports to document any murder. Not one official report of rape or sexual assault.”

                The reality of poor blacks, abandoned and left without means to survive, was thus transformed into the specter of blacks exploding violently, of tourists robbed and killed on streets that had slid into anarchy, of the Superdome ruled by gangs that were raping women and children.

                These reports were not merely words, they were words that had precise material effects: They generated fears that caused some police officers to quit and led the authorities to change troop deployments, delay medical evacuations and ground helicopters.

                Acadian Ambulance Company, for example, locked down its cars after word came that armed robbers had looted all of the water from a firehouse in Covington — a report that proved totally untrue.

              • You are quite correct for the most part. A lot of reports were exaggerated and I saw the conditions and destruction within the dome. Rumors and innuendos are a normal part of the sensationalism of news reporting. The facts are also that some of that did happen and it created panic and disorder. In any event, it still could have been avoided (for the most part) by simply using what was set up. I find this unforgivable. I was part of the “turf” wars for I was very outspoken about utilizing what was in place. It was argued by the local authorities that there was no reason to transport victims 14 miles away when things would be in place with in two days.We even offered to provide armed convoys for the civilians and were not allowed. Unforgivable. But, it is over and just another frustration in my book of service….there are many more and worse examples than this.

              • Military is not pariah to me.

                Organized, trained, competent warriors is vital for defense – I’m an ‘ex-‘ one too….

                Military as in “Standing Army” is incompatible with freedom.

              • Hmmm…..ok. I see that.

              • Colonel”

                I have one comment on the preparedness discussion. NOT all civilian agencies require training in logistics.

                The U.S. Forest Service and BLM had been doing it for years. Their systems were in fact based on military models, as was much of the organizations structure and culture. Then the big boys in DC thought they would improve on the system. First they developed the ICS (Incident Command system) for emergency, primarily fire but also other, response. They forced many angencies together on teams without first solving the training and communications and cultural differences.

                Then along came FEMA with a decision to wrap them all up in the national action plan. But they ignored the agencies’ expertise and recommendations. They tried to force an agency with experience into their paper models.

                Then came Katrina and they decided maybe they should listen a little better. My Spousal Unit Leader was in fact a Log. Chief on Rita as well as Laisson with local, county and military folks. They used USFS staff up and down the line to get out stuff and eventually money. If you missed my past post on this subject, she told me the local churches and county bosses kicked everyone elses butt in getting things done effectively and efficiently. Beat the Red Cross hands down.

                My big heart burn at the outset of Katrina criticism was that nobody understood FEMA’s statutory role. They got all the blame when they had no authority nor experience prior to that event to actually take over an operation. Their job was training and coordination.

                We also can not ignore the biggest reality you mentioned. Louisiana has a history of corruption and incompetence in their government. Hell, they reelected the Dope who helped cause their suffering.

                The federal agencies didn’t change that much between Katrina and Rita. The biggest change was the local govt.

                I would like to also offer this observation. As I would expect based on your training and long career, you mentioned that the citizens and locals can’t handle such a large logistical operation. I suggest this is a biased view based on your past. I have seen locals do amazing things to get things done and then watched in go to hell when Feds moved in and chased them off “because they don’t have the expertise”.

                I admit my examples were not as large a coordination problem as Katrina, but I bet if the local officials had enabled the private citizens, including WalMart, Home Depot, etc they would have had more of an immediate positive effect somewhere.

                Having been to a few of these Rodeos it is my opinion that we mistakenly assume to often that large centralized coordinaton is required. I think this applies to air operations but it not necessary beyond that. Segment, decentralize and take one bite at a time.

                I have rambled far to long and I want to thank you for taking the time to detail your thoughts on Katrina. I would like to hear more some day.

                Time for a cold one, so the best to you and family.

          • I just find it fascinating that several years after the fact, I a reasonably well informed US citizen am hearing, for the first time about the Army and the National Guard’s preparations to handle the Katrina victims. Where is the media? Or, could it be that there was just so much pressure to hang the 110% responsibility for the fiasco (instead of the 50% he deserved) around Bush’s neck. But nah, the media would never do that, would they?

            In answer to the question, about the military and construction projects. Several decades ago, when I worked for the city, we had an abandoned (but not city owned) apartment building which had major fire damage. To prevent the building from becoming a total loss we sought out both free labor and materials to secure, safeguard and partially repair it. This would allow 25 out of 50 families still living in the building to stay there through the winter.

            Part of our plan was to use the 102nd engineers NYANG to hoist roof beams and install them and the deck. Having been a Combat Engineer myself, I thought it to be both a great idea and feasable. Imagine, actually spending your one weekend a month doing something constructive in your own neighborhood. We got the CO on board he thought it a great PR event. At the very last minute he dropped out. The reason? The Guard or Army cannot take work away from the construction trades. It did not matter a whit that there was no money to hire construction workers nor that the job wouldn’t get done without the donated labor. I think the Guard was as upset as I was but there was no way around it.

            Fortunately we rounded up 25 ex cons from a training program and a couple of volunteer construction supers and got it done. It does seem however that these old union deals probably made 75 years ago still haunt us.

            • SK,

              I am also amazed to only now hear about this. I wish I knew a major league reporter like John Stossel, to let him know about a good story that has been missed.

              D13, thanks for all the info, your guys would have been made welcome here, and their help accepted with deep thanks.

              • LOI….it was reported by some of the news media and on the local news around the area but not on the emergency radio frequencies. People did not know where to go and the military was not allowed access to local stations nor were we allowed to broadcast on emergency frequencies.

                One other item, we cannot immobilize without governor and Presidential authority. We were in predetermined staging areas prior to the hurricane hitting and on site and setting up when the winds were still 45 MPH and gusting. We were in fields on strip alert just out side of Beaumont, Texas watching the movement of the hurricane with our own weather instruments. We were on station 14 miles away while the city was still filling up with water. All I heard was how the President screwed this up and nothing mentioned about us being there ready to go. One other interesting fact, is that the governor of Louisiana asked for help and it was sent and then retracted when the turf wars started.

                Frigging politics could have prevented more looting and deaths but you know that will never be said. This is why I claim to be a realist. I know what happens on the ground and I am aware of the “whitewashing” of reports and the sterilizing of the news media. It is frustrating.

            • D13, thank you for this insight into Katrina. I’ve always thought Nagin should have been charged with murder for his complete ineptness and instead…he got re-elected. Go figure.

      • One thing that I never understood when I was in the Army. I was stationed in Ft Campbell, KY as part of the 101st.

        While I was there, civilian contractors were building multimillion dollar barracks and other projects while Army Engineers, who were alledgedly trained to do that very same contruction, spent their days picking up trash on the side of the roads. This is because they are, or at least they were, forbidden to build anything except for training purposes while stateside. WTF?

        Couldn’t the military save possibly billions of dollars building their own stuff? Isn’t that what the Corps of Engineers do? I know there is some bulldookey law that keeps them from doing it, but that seems kind of stupid and a total waste of valuable resources to me.

        Could you maybe enlighten me on why that ISN’T as stupid as it seems Colonel?

        • You ask: Could you maybe enlighten me on why that ISN’T as stupid as it seems Colonel?

          You are preaching to the choir here, my friend. How dare you ask for an answer to a rational, well thought out and obvious question. Geez!!!.

          Does not make sense at all. As a young Captain and a company cdr., I was once given a “slice” of combat engineers. I got it because no one else wanted them. Crap, I am in charge of a tank company and you want to give me an entire platoon of combat engineers. Ok, I take them because in my three week field training exercise I used engineers to build tank traps, barricades, roads, and defensive entanglements. I then used them to build a latrine and a makeshift quarters for all of my men and my maintenance section to keep these guys out of Fort Hood Texas sun in August. Boy, did I get in trouble for building the latrine and the makeshift quarters. I was supposed to use federal contract laborers. Go figure.

          The only answer that I can give you is no answer. I do not know the answer. On my Officer Evaluation Report for that period of time, the following statement is part of my permanent record. ” Captain Courageous exhibits candor and frankness to both subordinates and superiors alike.” This was because I raised hell about using civilian contractors instead of my own engineers.

          We can save millions doing our own work.

          • That’s what I always thought also. You would think that since the Government is always whining about the military’s budget, they could come up with those kinds of ways to save billions in funds AND train their troops in how to actually do their jobs.

            What am I saying? We’re talking about the Government here. They’re not interested in saving money as much as they are in keeping their rich contractor buddies in work and keeping the Unions rolling in money.

            You know D, just one time someone with an actual brain and no crooked agenda gets in office they might, I say might, get something constructive done.

            Of course mites grow on a chicken’s ass too. 😉

          • The answer is obvious. Union labor is used on government contracts (technically, labor paid union rates, but that usually results in union labor). Unions elect lots of politicians and must be repaid somehow. So, union labor must do the work, not soldiers trained to do it.

  9. Against my better judgment I listened to the “Big” speech last night to see if BO had been listening to the plain everyday people this past month say no to his vision of health care. Same song, same tune, can this man ever get out of campaign mode and tell the truth. No! When you have no credible plan that will satisfy the honesty litmus test you go into the career politician mode, spread on a heavy coat of BS frosting, tell half truths, blame someone else and rely on emotions to excite the base. Last nights speech was career politician 101, nothing more nothing less. If any of you believe that Obamacare can be paid for without raising taxes and cutting out waste in Medicare and Medicaid, I got some ocean front property I want to sell you in Arizona. How stupid does he think we are? If government could have saved $900 billion in waste why have they not done so? My favorite lie was:

    “Unfortunately, in 34 states, 75 percent of the insurance market is controlled by five or fewer companies. In Alabama, almost 90 percent is controlled by just one company.”

    Actually Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Alabama cover about 75% of the insured in Alabama, not because they are a monopoly here but because they provide the BEST insurance in Alabama. I have been insured by some of the other companies in the state and they were terrible. BCBS for more than 10 years has averaged a profit of 0.6 percent and has administrative costs of 7 percent, which ranks it fourth lowest among the 39 Blue Cross and Blue Shield plans. The September 2009 issue of Consumer Reports ranked Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Alabama the “number two PPO in the country” in the national survey of 41 health plans nationwide. Now before anyone says I work for BCBS I do not, I’ve just had the misfortune of being insured by others in the state.
    I am so tried of career politicians from both parties.

    • Bama Dad,

      It is pretty darn sad when the only true words spoken during the whole damn speech were:

      YOU LIE

  10. I'm learning! says:

    We must do this…

    Limit all U.S. politicians to two terms:

    One in office and one in prison!

    • LOL!!

    • HIGH FIVE…….”SLAP”…

    • Well, that’s how the Greeks did it.

      Politicians were unpaid – and after their term, their accounts were audited. If they were richer after their term – they had a lot of explaining to do…. and often met a death sentence.

      I guess that is one way to control government corruption (but not government power).

  11. ACORN in the news again:,2933,548827,00.html

    Make sure you click on and view the video from that biggovernment site.

  12. Obama has stated, “you can judge me by the people I surround myself with”.

    Later, when the “pimp” asks what would happen if the organization is somehow connected to the scheme, the ACORN staffer replies, “First of all, it’s not gonna damage us because we not gonna know. And with your girls, you tell them, ‘Be careful.’ Train them to keep their mouth shut.”

    “These girls are like 14, how can we trust them?” the pimp asks.

    “Just be very, very careful,” the ACORN staffer says. “Whatever you do, always keep your eyes in the back of your head.”

    Reached by FOX News, O’Keefe said he was “shocked” at the level of assistance provided by ACORN staffers.

    “I was prepared for them to call the police, throw me out of the office and be hostile,” he said. “Without hesitation, they helped me every way they could with evading taxes and setting me up with a brothel, with getting around federal tax laws — doing everything they could to help us. I was completely shocked.”,2933,548827,00.html

  13. Ray, GreaterGood, DCGrll, comments?

    Matt said “the Republicans in Congress have shown no interest in negotiating in good faith.” How come the media doesn’t talk about this more?

    Rep. Charles Boustany: Good evening. I’m Dr. Charles Boustany, and I’m proud to serve the people of Louisiana’s 7th congressional district. I’m also a heart surgeon, with more than 20 years of experience during which I saw firsthand the need for lowering health cost.

    “Afford” is an important word. Our country’s facing many challenges. The cost of health care is rising. Federal spending is soaring. We’re piling huge debt on our children. And families and small businesses are struggling through a jobless recovery with more than 2.4 million private sector jobs lost since February.

    It’s clear, the American people want health care reform.

    But they want their elected leaders to get it right.

    Most Americans wanted to hear the president tell Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Reid and the rest of the Congress that it’s time to start over on a common-sense, bipartisan plan focused on lowering the cost of health care while improving quality.

    Replacing your family’s current health care with government-run health care is not the answer. In fact, it will make health care much more expensive.

    That’s not just my personal diagnosis as a doctor or a Republican. It’s the conclusion of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the neutral scorekeeper that determines the cost of major bills.

    I read the bill Democrats passed through committee in July. It creates 53 new government bureaucracies, adds hundreds of billions to our national debt and raises taxes on job creators by $600 billion.

    And it cuts Medicare by $500 billion, while doing virtually nothing to make the program better for our seniors.

    The president had a chance, tonight, to take the government-run health care off the table. Unfortunately, he didn’t do it.

    We can do better with a targeted approach that tackles the biggest problems. Here are four areas — four important areas where we can agree, right now.

    One, all individuals should have access to coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions.

    Two, individuals, small businesses and other groups should be able to join together to get health insurance at lower prices, the same way large businesses and labor unions do.

    Three, we can provide assistance to those who still cannot access a doctor.

    And four, insurers should be able to offer incentives for wellness care and prevention.

    That’s something particularly important to me. I operated on too many people who could have avoided surgery if they’d made simply — simply made healthier choices earlier in life.

    We do have ideas the president has agreed with. We’re grateful the president mentioned medical liability reform and we hope he’s serious. We need to establish tough liability reform standards, encourage speedy resolution of claims, and deter junk lawsuits that drive up the cost of care.

    Real reform must do this.

    Let’s also talk about letting families and businesses buy insurance across state lines. I and many other Republicans believe that that will provide real choice and competition to lower the cost of health insurance. Unfortunately, the president disagrees.

    You can read more about all of these reforms at These are common sense reforms that we can achieve right now without destroying jobs, exploding the deficit, rationing care, or taking away the freedoms American families cherish.

    This Congress can pass meaningful reform soon to reduce some of the fear and anxiety families are feeling in these very difficult times. Working together in a bipartisan way, we can truly lower the cost of health care, while improving quality for the American people.

    I’m Dr. Charles Boustany. Thank you for listening.

    • The Sound Of Silence

      Ray, you have said all current health plans offered so far should be thrown out, how about this one?

      The problem for the Reps is they have NOBODY to challenge him. The problem for the country is it won’t make a difference. Here is someone who is challenge him and them, and it gives you what you say you want.
      No comment?

      Matt: “the Republicans in Congress have shown no interest in negotiating in good faith.” Bulldookey!!

      Hello darkness, my old friend,
      I’ve come with talk with you again
      Because a vision softly creeping,
      left its seeds while I was sleeping
      And the vision that was planted in my brain,
      still remains
      Within the sound of silence

      In restless dreams I walked alone,
      narrow streets of cobblestone
      Neath the halo of a streetlamp,
      I turned my collar to the cold and damp
      When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light,
      split the night
      And touched the sound of silence

      And in the naked light I saw,
      ten thousand people, maybe more
      People talking without speaking,
      people hearing without listening
      People writing songs that voices never shared,
      and no one dared
      To stir the sound of silence

      Fool, said I, you do not know,
      silence, like a cancer, grows
      Hear my words and I might teach you,
      take my arms then I might reach you
      But my words, like silent raindrops fell,
      and echoed in the wells of silence

      And the people bowed and prayed to the neon god they’d made

      And the sign flashed its warning
      in the words that it was forming
      And the sign said the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
      And tenement halls,
      and whispered in the sounds of silence

  14. Watch How the Media Spins Obama’s Speech

    Will this one be any different?

    Well, watch how the media walks its walk on health care coverage in the next couple of days. Many reporters seem just about bored to tears with the policy details. Unfortunately, most Americans still aren’t satisfied with the policy proposals and are strongly rejecting the Democrats’ plans for a government takeover of the health care system that they believe will hurt them, their families and their country.

    Lost in the coverage is discussion of what Republicans have been trying to get the media to pay attention to.

    In general, the media has not given much coverage to the their well thought-out, common sense ideas for health care reform. It’s easier to duck the substance and instead take a shortcut by saying the Republicans have no plan of their own and that they’re just a bunch of naysayers.

    To give them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps one of the problems is that reporters are overstretched trying to cover too many issues without enough resources. But it’s also just as possible that

    “many in the media just don’t agree with market-based reforms that don’t get to a government-run health care system”

    and therefore elegant ideas such as allowing the sale of insurance across state lines, equalizing the tax system so that individuals and entrepeneurs are on the same playing field with big businesses and unions, and addressing the pressing need for medical malpractice reform just aren’t that interesting to reporters.

    The media is itching to write a comeback story after what was, by all accounts, a rotten summer for the Democrats. They’ll want to say that the president has “found his voice,” “reclaimed the issue,” “reenergized the debate”.

    • Last night Obama told a litany of lies. He said the total cost of his health reform would be $900 billion over ten years, but even the government-run Congressional Budget Office found it would cost $1.6 trillion. He claimed his reform would not cover illegal immigrants or abortions, but nothing in any of the Democrat bills requires citizen verification and several organizations including the National Right to Life Committee have shown exactly how federal funds would be used to pay for abortion-on-demand. He knows these are lies and he tells them because he is confident the left wing ‘news’ media will let him get away with it.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        In certain cases the Government should be required to pay for abortions.

        • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

          Only if it is a politician who has raped and impregnated someone 🙂

          Other than that, I don’t see how the government would NEED to be responsible for paying for such a procedure….

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            Women serve in the military

            Many have shown by example they are willing to die for you and our Country

            The military supplies their healthcare and medical – meaning paid for by the government – meaning paid for by you and I

            If a female soldier is raped and impregnated by another US soldier or an enemy, and she so desires an abortion, the cost of the procedure and care should be the burden of the government and not the soldier

            So Peter – are you suggesting that a soldier that is willing to die for your freedoms should be forced to bear a child that was the product of a rape, especially in her service to you and her country?

            • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

              Hence one of the reasons that in the past women could not serve in the military.

              Of course, now they do serve in the military, so under your specific example I would agree with you.

        • Ray,

          Is the issue not that they should be truthful if abortion will be covered? Obama is now saying 30 million Americans instead of 46 million un-insured, so points for being accurate on that.

          Any comment on Dr. Charles Boustany speech?

      • Ah but LOI, he didn’t lie.

        But now can you tell me why he didn’t?

        Same trick question I asked Matt, by the way.

        Hope your day is unfolding well

        • JAC,

          If Matt won’t answer, why should I step on the trip wire?
          Oh well, I never let being sensible get in my way anyhow.

          He didn’t lie because its what congress and the senate say, not him, so he can disavow responsibility for their dishonesty.

          “And can you name one thing that Mr. Obama has conceded in his attempt to be bipartisan? Be careful, this truly is a trick question.”

          I did not watch the whole speech, but what I got, him offering tort reform would be the bipartisan effort.

          OK, fire away. PS, about 40 pages left on Lever Action.

          • There is NO SUCH THING as a President Obama’s Proposal.

            IT DOESN’T EXIST.

            He can’t give something away when he has nothing to give.

            All he has done is put forth general concepts that HE/THEY know most Americans will agree with, at least most of them.

            Then by linking the existing proposals to the concepts we are once again FOOLED.

            See, you got part of it correct. He can deny anything because the ACTUAL proposals are from the Sentate or House.

            Yet the attacks against these plans are being redirected BY him to appear as though they are made AGAINST him. Classic narcissistic behavior. It is also a classic political trick when you have a leader percieved to be POPULAR.

            You are witnessing an artfully and skillfully crafted manipulation of the American people. And our grand media isn’t smart enough to see it because it is caught up in its own predictive behavior.

            By the way, LOI I never recommended Lever Action so not sure what it is about. Is it a work of fiction or history? Let me know if you think it worthwhile I will check it out.

            Hope all is well with you and yours

            • JAC,

              Well that was not too painful. I wonder why Matt did not answer. I agree with your assessment. Must have been G! who recommended the book. Its been a hard read for me, he goes on and on on some points that I like, but do not like reading six times. It is speeches and lectures by L. Neil Smith on Libertarian principals and how they should be applied to American government.

              Has rained all day, streets are flooding, (house is very dry Flag),
              had hoped to golf this pm, so another work-out day instead.

  15. PeterB in Indianapolis says:

    Collateral Damage:

    Since I love to throw in a good conspriacy theory every now and again, here is one for today 🙂

    When Congress urged Fanny and Freddie to convince banks to make loans that would encourage “affordable housing” and thus caused the eventual collapse of the housing market, this not only caused people who had no business getting a loan for a home to lose their homes, but also caused many relatively responsible people in a position where they either lost their homes, or lost so much equity that their home is now worth less than what they owe on it, so if they happen to lose their job, they will likely just walk away from their homes.

    The end result of this is that within another 12-18 months, home ownership in this country will be near the all-time low.

    First of all, let us all note the irony that the government was trying to promote AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP and instead caused the EXACT OPPOSITE.

    Secondly, let us consider the POSSIBILITY that this may have been the actual goal from the get-go. If we go all “wingnutty”, what could have been the possible motivation for the government to want to cause people to lose their property?

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Supporting information:

      According to the US Census Bureau, the overall US Home Ownership rate was 62.1% in 1960, peaked at 69.0% in 2004, and has steadily fallen every year since 2004 to 67.8% in 2008. This figure is projected to decline again in 2009.

      Hmmm… we peaked out in 2004 at 69% and have been going down ever since… what year was it that Fannie and Freddie started encouraging banks to make bad loans???

    • I, personally, do not believe they had a ‘plan’ to dis-own homeowners.

      Do not attribute a conspiracy where sheer stupidity better explains things.

      These guys are Keynesian – they have no idea regarding economic consequences of political action.

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:


        In this case I tend to agree with you that they were merely stupid.

        However, I believe it was you who pointed out that without the right to own property, all other individual rights make a lot less sense, so it would make sense for the government to want less individual property ownership if the government wanted more control over the people.

        But yeah, to say that was actually their intention in this particular case is probably a stretch 🙂

        • I believe they saw this as an opportunity – but not of their making – to seize the property.

          There is no reason to nationalize Freddie and Fannie – they are a mulitude of other options.

          I believe it was this type of dialogue;

          Tick 1:”Damn, look what happend?!? The S**t has hit the fan”
          Tick 2:”Hey…wait a minute!! Look, if we took this S**t and made Apple pie with it?”
          Tick 1:”HuH?”
          Tick 2:”Nationalize the S**t! We just got all the private property in the USA!”
          Tick 1: “Cool – Apple pie!”

          • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

            So, what you are saying is that the phrase “as American as apple pie” and the phrase “as American as cow pie” are basically equivalent?


    • Well far be it from me to engage in Conspiracy Theories, 😀 BUT, everything that has gone on for the past several years could be a Conspiracy for Social Government takover.

      Think about it. Blarney Frank and Chris Dodd get the banks, with the assistance of ACORN, to finance homes to people who have no business buying a home because it is outside their means to pay for it. Simply because these folks want to keep up with the Jones.

      The responsible thing to do would have been to build homes people like that, and before you cry racist, know that I am one of them, anyway, that folks like that can afford. For instance, I can afford a house for about a max of 80K. It would have been the height of stupidity to let some mortgage asshole or a politician to talk me into buying a 300K house with an adjustable mortgage on my salary. But I guess I’m just responsible and smart in ways a lot of people apparently weren’t. And now it’s bitten them in the ass.

      But back to the Conspiracy part. Politicians KNOW that a lot of people out there always are trying to keep up with the Jones, and are suckers when a slick talking loan officer is talking to them. The old saying goes; there’s a sucker born every day.

      So they get all these big houses bought by people who can’t afford them. Then a little while later they start to lose them. The Government, in it’s charitable fashion, offers to bail out these boneheads with the caveat that now they are indebted to the Govt for their home.

      Pretty soon we all may be indebted to them for our Health Care also. The Banks, the Auto Industry, and let’s not forget the States themselves, are already in hock to the Feds. Are you starting to see a pattern here?

      What better way to get a Socialist Government started than to create a financial crisis across the board and then have big government to come in and “fix” the problem and in the process take over?

      And to top that off, you just know that somebody out there made a crapload of dough off this financial “crisis” of ours. Wonder who that would be? Would at least one of their intitials be GS?

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

        And surprisingly, Goldman Sachs basically runs both the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve too!

        Shocked, Shocked I Am!

  16. AP did some FACT checking,

    The president’s speech to Congress contained a variety of oversimplifications and omissions in laying out what he wants to do about health insurance. A look at some of Obama’s claims and how they square with the facts or the fuller story:

    In the past Obama repeatedly said, “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period.” Now he’s stopping short of that unconditional guarantee by saying nothing in the plan “requires” any change.

    OBAMA: “Don’t pay attention to those scary stories about how your benefits will be cut. … That will never happen on my watch. I will protect Medicare.”

    THE FACTS: Obama and congressional Democrats want to pay for their health care plans in part by reducing Medicare payments to providers by more than $500 billion over 10 years….Although wasteful spending in Medicare is widely acknowledged, many experts believe some seniors almost certainly would see reduced benefits from the cuts. That’s particularly true for the 25 percent of Medicare users covered through Medicare Advantage.

  17. Morning All

    Here is a funny I just got from my son. Please, in no way is this suppose to be offensive to anybody.

    Nurses are not supposed to laugh…

    “Of course I won’t laugh,” said the nurse. “I’m a professional. In
    over twenty years I’ve never laughed at a patient.”

    “‘Okay then,” said Fred, and he proceeded to drop his trousers,
    revealing the tiniest ‘man thingy’ the nurse had ever seen.. Length and
    width, it couldn’t have been bigger than the a AAA battery. Unable to
    control herself, the nurse started giggling, then fell to the floor

    Ten minutes later she was able to struggle to her feet and regain
    her composure.

    “I am so sorry,” she said. “I don’t know what came over me. On my
    honor as a nurse and a lady, I promise it won’t happen again. Now, tell
    me, what seems to be the problem?”

    “It’s swollen,” Fred replied.

    She ran out of the room…….

    • Too funny, should make joke of the year! And she promised me she wouldn’t tell anyone.

    • True story time.

      Back in the early 1990’s I and 3 other guys were working in the deep woods on a road relocation project. One of the guys working with me was the 16 year old brother of a co-worker. Well midday the kid comes up to his brother and whispers in his ear and they both go off in the bushes for a few minutes. Big brother comes back and tells me little brother has to go to the emergency room, why I ask? Well it seems that little brother’s personal parts are all swollen up and he is very concerned about his condition. Big brother says he had never seen anything like it and concurs we need to head to the hospital. Well off we go, get to the hospital and explain what is happening and they see him immediately. So here the three of us are outside of the curtain and the doc walks in snapping on the old rubber gloves and telling the kid to drop his pants. Of course we are peeking through the corner of the curtain, the Doc sets on his little role around stool and stares at the injured member and says WOW I’ve never seen anything like this and starts poking it with his finger. To say the least we three are laughing like crazy and got kicked out to the waiting room for invading the patient’s privacy. Four hours and four shots later the kid gets released with a clean bill of health, seems he got a small spider bite on the end of things, no permanent damage.

      But wait the story does not end here.

      I had the guys tag along while I take the kid to personnel to fill out the workmen’s Comp forms, because I know how detailed the questions are. Lady sets him down by her desk and begins asking the questions and types his answers on the form. She has no idea what his injury was and he has no idea what the questions are. Things are great until she gets to the question asking him to describe in detail what part of his body was injured. He’s not talking, she’s getting angry he is not cooperating and we are outside of the door rolling around on the floor laughing. I finally have to go in and finish the form for him as he would not tell her about his injury.

      We laughed about this one for years.


    There has been an outbreak of the swine flu (or something like it) in your city, and you are ordered into quarantine in your home. (YESTERDAY’S LIMITATIONS DON’T APPLY, THESE ARE ALL NEW)

    * For this day, and ALL days of the challenge: no spending money, no going to stores, and no restaurants. Today is more of a “THINKING” day then “DOING” day
    * You can’t leave your house at all (if you have a prior commitment we understand, we both have something Thursday evening we committed to months ago!)
    * Some of your family members have been infected and have fevers/ stomach flus and need proper medication
    * You need to provide comfort foods to infected family members to make them feel better
    * You have used up ALL the toilet paper and paper towels in your bathroom and kitchen, you can only use what you have stored extra (wherever that may be)
    * The family members that have not been infected will stay healthy so long as they follow proper recommendations, meaning proper hand washing and sanitizing, and even wear face masks

    ADVANCED “FOLKS” (for anyone who feels up to it)
    * This is the 7th day or your quarantine, so ALL your fridge food is gone
    * You actually REALLY have to stay home – NO CHEATING!

    REMEMBER, TOMORROW’S LIMITATIONS AND TASKS WILL BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. How long would you have lasted under these conditions, would you be able to stay in your house for an extended amount of time?

    • This one is a walk in the park…. I love staying home 🙂 And we are packed to the nuts for being ‘isolated’ as long as the electronics work 🙂

  19. Here is another one

    Great Orators of the Democrat Party

    ‘One man with courage makes a majority.’
    – Andrew Jackson

    ‘The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.’
    – Franklin D. Roosevelt

    ‘The buck stops here.’
    – Harry S. Truman

    ‘Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your
    – John F. Kennedy

    And from today’s
    Genius Democrats..

    ‘It depends what your definition of ‘Sex’ is?”
    – Bill Clinton

    ‘That Obama – I would like to cut his **** off.’
    – Jesse Jackson

    ‘Those rumors are false ….
    I believe in the sanctity of marriage.’
    – John Edwards

    ‘I invented the Internet’
    – Al Gore

    ‘The next Person that tells me I’m not religious,
    I’m going to shove my rosary beads up their ***.’
    – Joe Biden

    ‘ America is–is no longer, uh, what it–it, uh, could be,
    uh, what it was once was….uh, and I say to myself,
    ‘uh, I don’t want that future, uh, uh for my children.’
    – Barack Obama

    ‘I have campaigned in all 57 states.
    – Barack Obama (Quoted 2008)

    ‘You don’t need God anymore, you have us Democrats.’
    – Nancy Pelosi (Quoted 2006)

    ‘Paying taxes is voluntary.’
    – Sen. Harry Reid

    ‘Bill is the greatest husband and father I know.
    No one is more faithful, true, and honest than he.’
    – Hillary Clinton (Quoted 1998)


    ”Life’s tough … it’s even tougher if you’re stupid.” — John Wayne

  20. TexasChem

    From yesterday

    Yes BF I agree with you the FED should be audited but I have to ask you would the harm done to the US economy be worth it? From what I have learned it could cause total economic collapse

    The collapse would occur nonetheless. Thus, it is FAR better to know what caused the collapse, then let it happen in the darkness of ignorance.

    You cannot deal with what you do not know. Let’s know what is going on, and deal with it.

    • Ron Paul wrote a book on this.

      The Federal Reserve: most people think of it as an indispensable institution without which the country’s economy could not properly function. But in reality, it constitutes the primary obstacle to a smoothly functioning, prosperous American economy. In End the Fed, eleven-term Texas Congressman Ron Paul reveals why.

      End the Fed draws clear and enlightening lessons from American history and economics, as well as fascinating stories from Paul’s own long political career to demonstrate that the Fed is not only profoundly corrupt — it’s also simply unconstitutional. He illuminates a truth that most people don’t realize: that the Fed — created by the Morgans and Rockefellers at a private club off the coast of Georgia — is actually working against their own personal interests. Contrary to common myth, the Fed doesn’t stabilize the business cycle, control inflation, maintain a solvent banking system, or regulate the financial system. Paul shows that as it inflates currency today at nearly a Weimar or Zimbabwe level, America is on the brink of an inflationary depression in which $100 bills will be worthless.

  21. TexasChem

    The Babylonians were using algebraic equations 4000 years ago.Brahmagupta an Indian mathematician was solving linear equations in the mid 600’s.He was also the first documented mathmatician to apply the number zero as a number instead of just a placeholder. The historian al-Biruni (c. 1050) in his book Tariq al-Hind states that the Abbasid caliph al-Ma’mun had an embassy in India and from India a book was brought to Baghdad which was translated into Arabic as Sindhind. It is generally presumed that Sindhind is none other than Brahmagupta’s Brahmasphuta-siddhanta

    All probably true – however;

    I didn’t say he INVENTED math – I said he was the first “Western” Scientist.

  22. anoninnc

    My friend Black Flag said: “The original scriptures states, clearly, that: Jesus was a son of God, NOT the son of God. Jesus, himself, said that all things he could do, any man could do, even greater – they merely needed belief and faith(John 14:12).” Some words to chew on in your spare time: My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” (John 10:27-30) What happens next is very intriguing . . . ponder this when you have the time. “Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” “Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.” (John 10:31-39) And just one more and then I will leave you with your own thoughts. 🙂 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. . .” “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.'”” (John 1:1-4, 14-15) Thanks for taking the time to ponder.

    If all is God, are we then – too – God’s Children?

    • John 1:12-23 (New International Version)

      12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent,[a] nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

      The Creed says Jesus is the “only begotten son of God.” The distinction between the children of God is that humans are “made” and Jesus is “begotten.” There is an important distinction there. Jesus is God, that is, he is begotten of the deity. Humans are not God, we were made in His likeness.

      • One must be careful of “only …son of God” doctrine.

        It is not part of any of the original essays of any disciple.

        It comes from the Council of Nicene rewriting – accepting Paul’s reformation – 300 hundreds years later:

        At the heart of the Nicene Creed are these words:

        “And [we believe] in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father … “

  23. SK Trynosky Sr.

    From yesterday

    Ahh, but today, would they agree that there was a clear and present danger as they did in ’47? One infected Mexican? Two other cases attributable to him? Would that be enough to convince people that 6.4 million should be vaccinated? At the end of the ’47 non epidemic, more had died from the innoculation than Smallpox. Not a lot more mind you just more. I wonder how this would have been handled in out repetitious 24 hour news cycle

    Yes, C&PD can be abused because it is subjective – unfortunately, if we demand objective insurance, the victims would have to die before we act.

    Thus, the basic requirements of C&PD requires society oversight – society must create its subjective levels of what constitutes “Clear” and “Present” and “Danger” – and then provide harsh consequences to those that make mistakes invoking C&PD!

    Now, its a joke. A LEO (Kent’s term – Law Enforcement Officer) gun’s down a kid because she was scared for her life when he made a ‘quick move for his basketball’ – is given “A-Ok! Justified!” – instead of the most severe consequences of cold-blooded murder. It is these events that destroy C&PD doctrine for everyone.

    • I happen to agree with you on that. I find it fascinating at 62 that toy guns in NY cannot by law look like guns anymore. Not just the orange cap mind you but they have to be buck rogers looking. Anything vaguely resembling a Colt SAA gets you either arrested or shot by an over zealous cop. As kids, even an older kids in the late 50’s and early 60’s, we strived for authentic looking cap guns. I can still remember that “Have Gun Will Travel” black peacemaker with the fake cartridges and white knight on the holster. This would give the current mayor fits if he saw it. the entire NYC council would have to go on more prozac than they are currently taking.

      A basketball, really?

      • You had a “Have Gun, Will Travel” peacemaker toy gun too!! So cool!! 😆

        (I guess it shows our age….)

        I’ll find the link to the ‘feared for her life by basketball’ story

        • You mean not everyone had one? Remember the cap guns that fired the spring loaded plastic bullets? Ahhhh…the good old days….build a fort with your Lincoln Logs, put your little soldiers on top, and shoot them from across the room. Then piss your mom off by opening the big two gallon bucket of…you guessed it…Tinker Toys.

          • Ah the kids today – they missed so much fun!

            …ah…Tinker Toys…. 🙂

            • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

              Oh yeah, Tinker Toys, the poor-kids erector set 🙂

              Between the Tinker Toys and the Lincoln Logs you could build anything!

              • And imagination…..what cities we could build with Lincoln Logs and Tinker Toys. What about the 1000 piece military sets with tanks and jeeps. Combine that with the Tinker Toys and Lincoln Logs and leave them all over the floor for mom and dad to step on…remembering the pathways to the closet and the hallway…

                Mom yelling if I did not pick them up, she would throw them away…dad saying if I did not pick them up the butt would be warmed to his satisfaction. Amazing how fast I picked them up.

              • …and who tied firecrackers to their plastic soldiers for ‘realism’ ….

              • Lady Fingers and black cats??

            • I was a toddler when Tinker Toys were replaced by Legos and then K’nex. I thought I was badass building a fancy K’nex roller coaster once.

          • When I was a kid we were dirt poor. My dad was a painter so we never had a lot. Me and my brother even got most of our Christmas except clothes together. And we didn’t get much either.

            We played Army all the time. My daddy had caulking guns and we could always find an empty caulking tube or at least one half full. Put the tube in the gun and them suckers made GREAT machine guns. Many’s the time we got in trouble for taking his caulking guns and running off with them!

            When we weren’t playing Army we played in the woods. I know every inch of the woods around my house now because I spent every Saturday and Sunday and every day of the summer playing in them. I NEVER had a bored moment. We could alsways find something to do. And if we couldn’t our Parents would find us something to do so we learned quickly to stay away from the house.

            These days it makes me ill to hear one of my boys or nieces and nephews say they are bored. A million acres of woods and they’re bored! If they don’t have a x-Box game they don’t have anything to do. Mine of course have learned in a hurry not to say the words I’m bored within my hearing. They learned that the same way I did.

            • Esom….I think you and my Mom were raised in the same neighborhood. We learned really fast not to say I am bored or to stay under foot to long.

        • SK Trynosky Sr. says:

          Oh, Oh,

          Now you have gone and done it, started the damn nostalgia thing.

          I guess looking back, you can see that we all got started and wound up where we are today because we did the same things. Now that toy guns are being banned and tinker toys/ Lincoln logs and anything else with small pieces which can cause choking are also being eliminated, what chance will kids have today?

          Ok guys now lets really get into it, how many Revell, Monogram, and Aurora plane kits did you have hanging from your ceilings? Did anyone ever master installing the cabane struts on the Sopwith Camel? I can’t tell you how many of those I screwed up. Finally got one right when I was about thirty just as Aurora went out of business.

          • OH CHIT….did that bring back memories….I always had trouble getting the canopies on the planes without glue like finger prints…and remember when airplane glue was for models and not for sniffing?

            Wow…the Monogram Corsair….what a model…

            • SK Trynosky Sr. says:

              They still make the corsair, same molds and all. I bought a TBF avenger a couple year back and will eventually get around to doing it (the folding wings) right.

          • SK: Tweezers for the struts.

            D13: Tape rolled up for the canopy.

            Old models of planes and ships. Mixed with toy soldiers and such fortifications made of whatever.

            Combine with black powder, lighter fluid and fire crackers.

            Shake well and mix with young boys and you get TOTAL WAR and CHAOS.

            I can still see that ME 103 sailing through the ski with flames billowing from its left wing. Not to mention the small brush fire which ensued upon it crashing.

            And of course the site of the nieghbors shed on fire just before his two years stash of ammunition and self loading materials started exploding.

            Or the sound of bullets whizzing over head as Mama rushed us kids behind the house for protection.

            Or the site of the firemen standing a half mile away waiting for the shed to stop shooting at them so they could hose down the ashes.

            Like I said, TOTAL WAR AND CHAOS.

            • SK Trynosky Sr. says:

              Types/brands of firecrackers. ladyfingers were the smallest ones.

              Let’s see, lighter fluid was 7cents a can at the Strauss across the street. Then there was this time we decided to tape sparklers to an arrow and fired that sucker straight up off the roof of the apartment building. Went right through the awning of the five & dime across the street. The hole just kept getting bigger and bigger as the fire spread.

              Apartment building was six stories high with a huge concrete interior courtyard. On a black moonless night, throw several boxes of strike anywhere matches over the side (hard to come by these days gov’t and lawyers have decided they are unsafe). Voila! instant Dresden. Ok, maybe that’s not as funny now as it was when I was 12.

            • Strike anywhere matches made great bombs for young teenage boys.

          • MAN! SK!

            Spitfire, Mustang, ME109, FW190 and Lancaster Bomber…

            Did the Camel and the SE15 balsa wood models – and they flew too!

            Dad built a 1/25 replica of the Lancaster by paper plans only -hand cut ever piece- and flew it once, minor damage on landing….

            I forgot how ‘touchless’ today’s kids are -prebuilt and glue free world we live in now….

            • SK Trynosky Sr. says:

              Never had the patience for balsa when I was a kid. My Dad used to talk about making them.

              A four engine Lancaster? That is impressive. Ever catch some of the flying models on You Tube? Some guy did a B-52 with a 60 inch wingspan and jet engines once it’s in the air, can’t tell the difference.

  24. Hehehehe,

    In his speech the President directly responded to concerns I’ve raised about unelected bureaucrats being given power to make decisions affecting life or death health care matters. He called these concerns “bogus,” “irresponsible,” and “a lie” — so much for civility. After all the name-calling, though, what he did not do is respond to the arguments we’ve made, arguments even some of his own supporters have agreed have merit.

    In fact, after promising to “make sure that no government bureaucrat …. gets between you and the health care you need,” the President repeated his call for an Independent Medicare Advisory Council — an unelected, largely unaccountable group of bureaucrats charged with containing Medicare costs. He did not disavow his own statement that such a group, working outside of “normal political channels,” should guide decisions regarding that “huge driver of cost … the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives….” He did not disavow the statements of his health care advisor, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, and continuing to pay his salary with taxpayer dollars proves a commitment to his beliefs. The President can keep making unsupported assertions, but until he directly responds to the arguments I’ve made, I’m going to call him out too.

  25. The inventor of the Harley-Davidson motorcycle, Arthur Davidson , died and
    went to heaven.

    At the gates, St. Peter told Arthur. ‘Since you’ve been such a good man and
    your motorcycles have changed the world, your reward is, you can hang out
    with anyone you want to in heaven.’

    Arthur thought about it for a minute and then said, ‘ I want to hang out
    with God.’

    St. Peter took Arthur to the Throne Room, and introduced him to God.

    God recognized Arthur and commented, ‘Okay, so you were the one who
    invented the Harley-Davidson motorcycle? ‘ Arthur said, ‘Yeah, that’s

    God commented: ‘Well, what’s the big deal in inventing something that’s
    pretty unstable, makes noise and pollution and can’t run without a road?’

    Arthur was a bit embarrassed, but finally spoke, ‘Excuse me, but aren’t you
    the inventor of woman?’
    God said, ‘Ah, yes.’
    ‘Well,’ said Arthur, ‘professional to professional, you have some major
    design flaws in your invention!

    1. There’s too much inconsistency in the front-end suspension

    2. It chatters constantly at high speeds

    3. Most rear ends are too soft and wobble about too much

    4. The intake is placed way too close to the exhaust 5. The maintenance
    costs are outrageous!! !!

    ‘Hmmmmm, you may have some good points there,’ replied God, ‘hold on.’

    God went to his Celestial supercomputer, typed in a few words and waited
    for the results. The computer printed out a slip of paper and God read it.

    ‘Well, it may be true that my invention is flawed,’ God said to Arthur,
    ‘but according to these numbers, more men are riding my invention than

  26. You can watch the bird really do this!

    So, this bird walks into a store…… Manistee , MI

    A seagull in Manistee,Mi has developed the habit of stealing Doritos from a
    neighborhood convenience store.
    The seagull waits until the Manager isn’t looking, and then walks into the
    store and grabs a snack-size bag of cheese Doritos.
    Once outside, the bag gets ripped open and shared by other birds.
    The seagull’s shoplifting started early this month when he first swooped
    into the store in Manistee,Mi , and helped himself to a bag of Doritos.
    Since then, he’s become a regular. He always takes the same type of chips.
    The Manager thinks it’s great because people are coming to watch the
    feathered thief make the daily grab and run, and that’s good for business,
    and especially since customers have begun paying for the seagull’s stolen
    bags of Doritos because they think it’s so funny. However, the Manager did
    say, ‘This is Michigan , and if that seagull starts to grab a 6-pack o’
    ‘Bud’ to go along with the Doritos, I may have to put a stop to it.’

  27. A man is driving down the road and breaks down near a monastery. He
    goes to the monastery, knocks on the door, and says,” My car broke down. Do
    you think I could stay the night?”

    The monks graciously accept him, feeds him dinner and even fixes his
    car. As the man tries to fall asleep, he hears a VERY strange sound. A
    sound like no other that he has ever heard. The next morning, he asks the
    monks what the sound was, but they say, “We can’t tell you because you’re
    not a monk.”

    The man is disappointed but thanks them anyway and goes about his
    merry way. Some years later, the same man breaks down in front of the same

    The monks again accept him, feed him, and even fix his car.

    That night, he hears the same strange mesmerizing sound that he had
    heard years earlier.

    The next morning, he asks what the sound was, but the monks reply,
    “We can’t tell you because you’re not a monk.”

    The man says, “All right, all right. I’m dying to know! If the only
    way I can find out what that sound was is to become a monk, how do I become
    a monk?”

    The monks reply, “You must travel the earth and tell us how many
    blades of grass there are and the exact number of sand pebbles. When you
    find these numbers, you will become a monk.”

    The man sets about his task. Some forty-five years later, he returns
    and knocks on the door of the monastery. He says, “I have traveled the earth
    and devoted my life to the task demanded and have found what you had asked
    for. There are 371,145,236,284,232 blades of grass and
    231,281,219,999,129,382 sand pebbles on the earth.”

    The monks reply, “Congratulations, you are correct, and you are now
    considered a monk. We shall now show you the way to the sound.”

    The monks lead the man to a wooden door, where the head monk says,
    “The sound is behind that door.”

    The man reaches for the knob, but the door is locked. He asks, “May
    I have the key?”

    The monks give him the key, and he opens the door.

    Behind the wooden door is another door made of stone. The man
    requests the key to the stone door.

    The monks give him the key and he opens it, only to find a door made
    of ruby. He demands another key from the monks, who provide it. Behind that
    door is another door, this one made of sapphire. And so it went on until the
    man had gone through doors of emerald, silver, topaz and amethyst.

    Finally, the monks say, “This is the key to the last door.”

    The man is relieved to be at the end. He unlocks the door, turns the
    knob, and behind that door he is astonished to find the source of that
    strange sound. It is truly an amazing and unbelievable sight!

    But I can’t tell you what it was, because you’re not a monk.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Judy S.

      But, we are ALL monks, because, thanks to your story we ALL know the number of blades of grass and pebbles of sand on the earth, so we must all be considered monks!

      Therefore, you MUST tell us the source of the mezmerizing sound!


    • 8 Months Pregnant

      A lady about 8 months pregnant got on a bus. She noticed the man opposite her was smiling at her. She immediately moved to another seat. This time the smile turned into a grin, so she moved again. The man seemed more amused. When on the fourth move, the man burst out laughing, she complained to the driver and he had the man arrested.

      The case came up in court. The judge asked the man (about 20 years old)
      what he had to say for himself. The man replied, ‘Well your Honor, it was like this:

      When the lady got on the bus, I couldn’t help but notice her condition. She sat down under a sign that said,
      ‘The Double Mint Twins are Coming’ and I grinned.’

      ‘Then she moved and sat under a sign that said,
      ‘ Logan’s Liniment will reduce the swelling’, and I had to smile.

      ‘Then she placed herself under a deodorant sign that said,
      ‘William’s Big Stick Did the Trick’,
      and I could hardly contain myself.’ ‘BUT, your Honor, when
      She moved the fourth time and sat under a sign that said,

      Goodyear Rubber could have prevented this Accident’
      .. I just lost it’ .

      Case dismissed.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      This one is an old favorite of mine from the Clinton Era.

      Many of you have probably seen/heard it before, which is fine… I regard it as a classic 🙂

      One day in 1993, a very beautiful young woman was hired on as a new Presidential intern. President Clinton couldn’t help but notice how beautiful she was, so he offered to take her on a personally conducted tour of the White House.

      The intern was very excited. She was anxious to see the many historical rooms in the White House and hear some of the history directly from the President.

      President Clinton showed her the many rooms of the White House, including the Green Room, the Blue Room, the Lincoln Room, The Rose Room, and many of the offices in the East Wing and the West Wing.

      Finally they arrived at the Oval Office. The intern was in awe of all of the sights she had seen and thanked President Clinton for showing her around and telling her of the history of the White House.

      President Clinton said, “Before you go, would you like to see the Presidential Clock?” The intern replied, “Why certainly! I never heard that there was a Presidential Clock, there must be quite a story behind that!”

      President Clinton promptly dropped his pants and underwear. The intern, in a bit of shock, said, “That doesn’t look like a Presidential Clock…”

      President Clinton replied, “Put two hands and a face on it and it will!”

    • And I read this….you got me.

  28. Obama Just Doesn’t Get It

    The president needed to give us facts on Wednesday night. He failed. He needed to compromise but instead he bucked bipartisan solutions and showcased the inflexibility of a zealot combined with the policies of a hard core liberal.

    They say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

    Someone should have mentioned that to President Obama. He gave us nothing new during his ultra-hyped speech on health care on Wednesday night. After forty-five minutes and a TelePrompter on the verge of overheating, he blew it. The president made history by convening both Houses of Congress just to trot out the same stale speech, complete with the lines about the proposed cuts in Medicare that he refers to as “waste” to tax hikes to fund his plan.

    There was one bit of news: an indisputable leftward lurch on the public option that signified not only that he is bound to their demands, but also that he is no Bill Clinton.

    Unlike Clinton, Obama tied the public health option to his ankle. And much like a concrete block, he will go down with it. Forty-four moderate Democrats will not vote for the current House bill that includes the public option, enough to deny Pelosi the ability to pass it without Republican support.

    To be fair, Obama’s opening and closing tone was one of his best yet. But fluffy imperatives that call for us to “act,” absent hard facts will not result in a shift in approval numbers. If you had ears but no brain, you would have been moved by the speech (is that why Biden was crying?), but the public is much sharper, particularly when it comes to this issue.

    Here’s what was missing, besides new material:

    * No answer on how he can not only expand coverage but also cut costs.
    * No answer on how private insurance goes down by increasing the costs of insurance
    * No answer on how to cut the current deficit.
    * No answer as to why he will cut waste and abuse to help pay for for government run insurance option, but not to help cut the current ballooning deficit.
    * No answer on how to make medicare solvent.
    * No answer on why he won’t cover illegals, but includes them in his 46 million uninsured count.
    * No answer on what his plan is for illegals.
    * No definitive, outcomes based answer on medical malpractice.
    * No answer on why if this is such an urgent imperative, the plan won’t kick in until after he runs for re-election.

    I have to admit, the Republican response wasn’t exactly a core shaker, either.

    Public disapproval of President Obama’s handling of health care has skyrocketed to 52 percent, according to the Associated Press-GfK poll. At a time when we’re told to expect a $7 to 9 trillion dollar deficit over the next 10 years, the president is talking about adding another trillion to that number. That begs the question, why now?

    Mr. President, you just don’t get it. The health care debate ripped your ability to persuade through rhetoric right out of your hands. You needed to give us facts and you failed. You needed to compromise, and you bucked bipartisan solutions showcasing the inflexibility of a zealot, and the policies of a hard core liberal.

    Though Obama claims “we are back from the brink” it is his presidency that is on the brink. The brink of collapse.

    • Just heard the question on Illegals come up due to the wording “significant presence”, meaning anyone residing in the US for more than 31 days would be required to have health insurance. Democrats have voted against several proposals to say illegals would not be covered, or require identification when obtaining treatment. They also will not allow any statements the abortion will not be paid for by this “health reform”.

  29. PeterB in Indianapolis says:

    Ok, lets examine something logically for a moment:

    We are told by people on the “left” that we cannot see things as black and white or right and wrong, there are always shades of grey.

    We are told by people on the “left” that their position on issue X (insert your favorite issue here) is axiomatically the correct position, and any disagreement with their postition makes you an idiot or a wingnut.

    Anyone see the contradiction here?

    • nope sorry.. I don’t see the problem? Why are you un-American?

    • Please note, this happens on the “right,” too.

      I agree with your sentiment that this is foolish.

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:


        There is a BIT of a difference though… most people on the “right” claim that there is such a thing as right and wrong, and things can be seen as black or white.

        If your stated position is that there is a clearly defined right and wrong, it seems at least less hypocritical to claim your position is correct.

        • I was simply referring to claiming something is right and discouraging disagreement by calling it idiotic or wingnutish.

          I see what you mean, though.

  30. I know it’s horribly biased, but I still got a kick out of this one..

    Feel free to tear it apart.. I’m swamped today, so I’ll pick up on your (I’m sure very charitable) thoughts later.. happy hunting

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Boortz was pretty much right on in his analysis. If the Republicans had wanted to score any points they should have simply let the speech go off as originally planned. That way if it had been totally mundane they could have simply ignored it, and if it had had elements of “indoctrination” in it, they could have pounced after the fact.

      What they did instead was make sure that the speech would be mundance (probably a good thing), but in doing so they got egg all over their face (which was probably actually also a good thing :))

    • The fact that you get a kick out of it belies your partisanship. You (and pretty much everyone else) enjoy seeing your party succeed and the other fail. I’m guilty of this at times, but I’m trying to rise above such pettiness.

      That being said, I too believe that some conservatives made a big mistake out of making a big deal out of nothing. Something we’ve said before on this site is the need for parents to, oh I don’t know, PARENT! If you don’t agree with something your childen hear, sit them down and talk it through, don’t cover their ears!

  31. I am not sure about civility any more. I guess that comes from some forty plus years of being a good Goldwater conservative who is routinely identified, like Goldwater and Bill Buckley were as a fascist or a racist. Frankly, I am sick and tired of giving respect and getting none in return. The POTUS last night essentially accused all those who opposed his program of doing it for political reasons. The left will never in this country acknowledge that the right believes in a damn thing other than greed.

    The President of the United States of America happens to be incompetent and a liar. Until that changes perhaps it deserves to be pointed out at every appropriate opportunity.

    There has been no civility in US politics since the late 60’s on the part of the left. It is often pointed out that Nixon trounced McGovern. What is not pointed out is that the country actually lost because the McGovernites won the Democratic party. That’s why the Republicans wound up with all those interventionist, anti-communist neo cons. John McCain was civil, Bob Dole was civil, Bush 1 was civil, where the hell did it get them.

    Who was it who said, “If a lie is told often enough it becomes the truth” ? This is where the left has succeeded. There are far more Democratic millionaires in congress than repub ones but the masses have no clue. They don’t know Lincoln was a republican. All they know is that Republicans (and conservatives) are rich, mean spirited, ungenerous racists and that cannot be denied. So, maybe its time, long past due, to call these Barney Frank’s, Chris Dodd’s, Nancy Pelosi’s and Barack Obama’s what they really are and keep pointing it out until it finally sticks and civility be damned. As long as your facts are right who cares.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Actually, there has been very little civility in American politics, EVER!

      It was extremely routine back in the early 1800s for the politicians to argue vehemently (even to the point of challenging one another to duel on rare occasion), but this aspect of politics did not get the COVERAGE that it does now.

      “Civility” is mostly a media imposition on politicians.

      Now, I am not saying that ALL political debate in the past was uncivil. There were probably many more cases of civil debate than there were of uncivil debate. However, coming right out and calling an opponent a liar probably wasn’t all that unusual.

    • I agree totally with SK. Maybe what we on the Conservative side need to do is to quit playing nice with the boogeyman.

      When the Nazi Pelosi call us “Astroturf”, maybe we need to call her a GnatBrained Kalifornia Communist Bitch. (Pelosi, not Matt)

      Maybe when Blarney Frank calls us greedy Republicans, we should call him a LardAssed Lispy-Lipped Sissy-Girl.

      And maybe when Obama calls us Un-American Racists we should call that sonofabitch a…. well I can’t think of anything better than that right now but you get the point.

      I’m sick to my stomach with the extreme left being just as nasty as they can be and everyone telling us WE have to play nice with the other kiddies.

      How has that worked for us so far?

  32. PeterB in Indianapolis says:

    Let us bow down in thanks that the stimulus package has saved or created 1 million jobs!

    I mean, since the stimulus package was passed, the US has LOST 2.5 MILLION JOBS!

    Thank GOD for the stimulus! Without it this would have been 3.5 MILLION JOBS LOST!

    What a GREAT demonstration of the wild success of the stimulus package!!! WOOT!

  33. I watched a bit of the speech last night while setting up coffee for this morning. I think I called him a liar 10 times in 5 minutes 😉
    Does anyone know why we are allowing 1/3rd of the democratic party to rule our country?

    • Hi Willo

      We did watch it, felt we had to in order to hear what if anything different he was going to say. Still sounded like a campaign speech to me. I sat there, and while I was watching it, all I could do was just shake my head from side to side.

    • Why didn’t you watch it all the way through…..utter a big sigh….and then use just 1 liar. You would have saved breath and anguish…well, maybe not anguish.

  34. 1909 Ford Model R

    Show this to your children and/or grandchildren

    THE YEAR 1909

    The year is 1909.
    One hundred years ago.
    What a difference a century makes!
    Here are some statistics for the Year 1909 :

    ************ ********* *********

    The average life expectancy was 47 years.

    fuel for this car was sold in drug stores only

    Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub.

    Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.

    There were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles

    Of paved roads.

    The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.

    The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower!

    The average wage in 1909 was 22 cents per hour.

    The average worker made between $200 and $400 per year ..

    A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, A dentist $2,500
    per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per year, and a
    mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year.

    More than 95 percent of all births took place at HOME .

    Ninety percent of all doctors had NO COLLEGE EDUCATION!

    Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which

    Were condemned in the press AND the government as ‘substandard. ‘

    Sugar cost four cents a pound.

    Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen.

    Coffee was fifteen cents a pound.

    Most women only washed their hair once a month, and used

    Borax or egg yolks for shampoo.

    Canada passed a law that prohibited poor people from

    Entering into their country for any reason.

    Five leading causes of death were:

    1. Pneumonia and influenza
    2. Tuberculosis
    3. Diarrhea
    4. Heart disease
    5. Stroke

    The American flag had 45 stars.

    The population of Las Vegas, Nevada, was only 30!!!!

    Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea Hadn’t been invented yet.

    There was no Mother’s Day or Father’s Day.

    Two out of every 10 adults couldn’t read or write and

    Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school..

    Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at the
    local corner drugstores. Back then pharmacists said, ‘Heroin clears the
    complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind,regulates the stomach and bowels, and
    is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health’

    ( Shocking? DUH! )

    Eighteen percent of households had at least one full-time servant or
    domestic help.

    There were about 230 reported murders in the ENTIRE ! U.S.A.!

    Plus one more sad thought; 95 percent of the taxes we have now did not exist
    in 1909

    I am now going to forward this to someone else without typing it myself.
    From there, it will be sent to others all over the WORLD – all in a matter
    of seconds!

    Try to imagine what it may be like in another 100 years.


    • “Two out of every 10 adults couldn’t read or write and Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school.”

      80% literacy and 94% drop out rate seems to hold a message….

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:


        In 1909, I am pretty sure that there was no such thing as “Public Education”.

        Because of this, students actually learned to read in their early years 🙂

  35. In remembrance of 98 year-old lady named Irena Sendler.

    During WWII, Irena, got permission towork in the Warsaw Ghetto, as a Plumbing/Sewer specialist. She had an ‘ulterior motive’ … She KNEW what the Nazi’s plans were for the Jews, (being German.)

    Irena smuggled infants out in the bottom of the tool box she carried and she carried in the back of her truck a burlap sack, (for larger kids..) She also had a dog in the back that she trained to bark when the Nazi soldiers let her in and out of the ghetto. The soldiers of course wanted nothing to do with the dog and the barking covered the kids/infants noises..

    During her time of doing this, she managed to smuggle out and save 2500 kids/infants. She was caught, sentenced to death but her guards were bribed to safe her life – so instead the Nazi’s broke both her legs, arms and beat her severely and left her unconscious in a near by forest.

    Irena kept a record of the names of all the kids she smuggled out and kept them in a glass jar, buried under a tree in her back yard. After the war, she tried to locate any parents that may have survived it and reunited the family.

    Most had been gassed. Those kids she helped got placed into foster family homes or adopted.

    In 2007, Irena was up for the Nobel Peace Prize … She was not selected.

    Al Gore won, for a slide show on Global Warming.

    • Hey BF

      I remember reading that too. I think my son sent me that here while back. Makes you sick doesn’t it, to think that Gore got it instead of her. What a waste of a good Nobel prize.

    • In other words, instead of someone who truly made a difference in others lives and saved 2500 children from certain death, it was given to a liar and a moron for doing something a child could have done.

      Makes me disgusted with the whole damn process.


    Fire chief shot by cop in Ark. court over tickets

    JERICHO, Ark. – It was just too much, having to return to court twice on the same day to contest yet another traffic ticket, and Fire Chief Don Payne didn’t hesitate to tell the judge what he thought of the police and their speed traps.

    The response from cops? They shot him. Right there in court.

  37. AH! Where are these saved and created jobs at?

    White House Claims 1 Million Jobs Saved, Created By Stimulus Bill
    White House economists said Thursday the Obama administration’s recovery efforts have saved or created more than one million jobs so far, a figure certain to draw criticism because the U.S. economy has actually lost about 2.5 million jobs since the stimulus was signed in February.

    White House economists said Thursday that the Obama administration’s recovery efforts have saved or created more than one million jobs so far, an optimistic report that economists cautioned was preliminary and uncertain.

    President Obama has promised that his $787 billion stimulus plan will create or save 3.5 million jobs by the end of next year. But the economy has fared worse than the White House predicted when it pitched the jobs plan and officials have sought to beat back criticism that the results did not justify the huge combination of tax cuts, state aid and government spending.

    In its first report to Congress on the stimulus, the White House Council on Economic Advisers said Thursday that the economy would have been far worse without the stimulus.

    The report attributes the million job figure to the stimulus and other policy actions but says the driving force behind the job creation is the stimulus. Economists cautioned, however, that the estimates must “be regarded as preliminary and understood to be subject to considerable uncertainty.”

    The report is certain to draw criticism because the U.S. economy has actually lost about 2.5 million jobs since the stimulus was signed in February. Because the White House number is based on economic models, it’s impossible to say for certain what that number would have been without the stimulus.

    Republicans have struggled at times to find their voice when criticizing the stimulus. Even as they criticize its sizable price tag, some Republican lawmakers have called for even more spending on transportation and infrastructure projects. Some lawmakers who voted against the bill have turned around and touted it when it sent money into their district.

    Obama administration officials and some economists believe the stimulus is helping the economy recover and, when it does, the criticism will fade. Thursday’s report will bolster that claim, but officials know the most important number remains the unemployment rate, which sits at 9.7 percent.

    The White House report noted that, while jobs losses continue to mount, the rate of those losses has slowed from more than 700,000 per month early this year to 216,000 last month.

    “These job losses are obviously unacceptable,” the report said. “But the change does suggest that we are on the right trajectory.”

  38. Lincoln Next Chairman for Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry

    Arkansas’s senior U.S. Senator, Blanche Lincoln, has been tapped as the next Chairman of the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry. In the committee’s 184-year history, Lincoln will be the first Arkansan and first female ever to serve as Chairman.

    Call me a cynic, but I am going to be looking closely if she now can find common ground with her fellow Dem’s on health care, and support them. It looks a lot like buying her off to me.

  39. Alan F.

    From Tues Mic

    You too BF get the shivers passing the powdered skim milk, puffed wheat and “reduced” isles in the grocery store?

    I can’t do milk, but I like puffed wheat.

    I do shop in bargain isles, at Wal-Mart, and Discount and Liquidation Stores.

    I have no problem buying second-hand clothes and suits. I love garage sales.

    This way, I have money left over for health insurance, life insurance and buying things that -for me- I will not compromise on – such as my car (since we are far more likely to die by car accident than any other accident (except doctors) – a 1/200 chance – I’m HIGHLY proactive in mitigating the largest risk to my family’s life).

    Your only meat being bulk wieners, “Click” (the cheap Spam knockoff) or canned salmon which was less expensive than cat food.

    I like bulk wieners; SPAM saved the Russians from mass starvation and canned salmon is great in sandwiches.

    The worst had to be buying our school cloths at the United Church rummage sale but we always managed a few new things for our sister.


    And what is wrong with those clothes? Dirt cheap, nearly new….. what not?

    I’m lucky – I’m an ‘average’ fit – so off-the-rack suits work well for me.

    een there too but it also accounts for one of my best memories of 46 years on this globe. My mother, suffering terribly from a nervous breakdown which lasted 18 months having lost her business to my father’s robbing her deposits and partner (originally his friend) cleaning out her accounts, took it upon herself to wrap up our old toys and books in newspaper so we’d have something under our crappy little Christmas tree.

    I’ve had my experience with bad partners – which is why I do not have partners any more –

    Looking back, it was one of those days you appreciate that much more each year and it didn’t cost a dime. Its all about money to you, give it up right now. You’ll never be happy

    Money is merely a tool.

    If you despise it, it runs away from you.

    If you despise other people’s money, it runs away from you and so do those people.

    When you appreciate money, you learn how to make it. Then it runs to you.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Why would it be logical to pay more than you have to for anything?

      My family has very little in the way of material posessions.

      We have 2 very safe vehicles which are paid for, and beyond that we “own” very few things. We would like to have a house rather than an apartment, so we are working on that, but other than that, there are very few “things” that we really care about.

      Both my wife and I are addicted to computer games, so we won’t compromise on computers (I have one, she has one, and the kids have one), but I have built all of these buy buying cases/power supplies/motherboards and all the other internal goodies from online discount computer parts suppliers. The newer ones that my wife and I have are lightning fast and less than half the price of comparable retail computers, plus they don’t come “pre-loaded” with a bunch of junk that I did not want.

      Rummage sales/garage sales are awesome, and you can occasionally find something of great value for fifty cents.

      Bulk weiners… not a big fan myself, but hey, I will eat them! Can’t do canned salmon myself… something in my personal taste-buds percieves 95% of all fish as “yucky” and I don’t go out of my way to discover the 5% that taste decent to me 🙂

      But yeah, I don’t really understand the mentality of people that spend money that they don’t have so that they can have a lot of things that they don’t need. If you really want something, save up the money for it and THEN buy it. That way you have your toy that you wanted without the stress of wondering how you are going to pay for it every month.

      • And what happens when things start going out on you, then what? For instance, my car so far has had to have a few repairs, now it needs new bearings in the front wheel, needed to get it balanced because it shook like there was no tomorrow, my washer and dryer work when they decide to.and they are both about 20 years old, need new glasses, these ones I have only work so long before I see double. Not complaining mind you, just asking? Just when you think you’re above water, somebody comes a long and pushes your head back under, no matter how much you save or put away.

        • If you can afford it (and there are GREAT deals on American cars now a days) buy a brand new car.

          It will last you – easily – 10 years with regular maintenance.

          Though I am a good mechanic – I utterly hate working as one.

          So I bought my car brand new – expecting I will have it for the next 10 to 15 years – so I also packed it with every option and feature you could get into it (which wasn’t that much, since it came essentially fully loaded from factory).

          I did the same for my parents. Traded in their 2000 mini-van for a brand new one – in 10 years, they’ll probably remove themselves voluntarily from driving anymore due to age – and this new van will take them to that time reliably.

          • I told you before I think, that I have a 1995 Chevy Lumina, it runs good, just needed to have a few things done to it. Can’t really afford a new car, besides, I don’t want to have to make any monthly payments. As it is, my husband had to get one because he wrecked his car a couple months ago when he slid into a cement wall while driving on the freeway. It was one of those rainy days, and he hit one of those wet spots, then hydroplaned into the wall. It was a 1999 Corvette. All whit, with a black rag top, and all black interior, it was a fun car to drive too. Anyway, the insurance company totaled it.

            He bought his brother’s Toyota Sequoia for now, until maybe he can buy himself another VET. I like my car, she’s been good to me, and I have to take care of her. Just need to have some things done, not much, but I don’t want to get rid of it. It’s been paid for now for about 10 years, so why start all over again if you don’t have too, right.

            • I’ll offer this thought for you.

              A car payment of 5 years — will be inflated away.

              The price of a mechanic will follow inflation lock-step.

              In other words, the bank payment for your car will get lower -in real terms- over time.

              The cost of your car repairs will get higher -in real terms- over time.

              You may be able to make a car payment in the future with inflated dollars.

              You may not be able to pay for a car repair in the future with inflated dollars.

              Just a thought….

              • Well, I have been wanting to get a car, not necessarily new, but I can’t decide on what. Don’t want no small one, I like car around me for safety. Besides, I need something that will go in the snow around here in winter time.

                Just not sure what, or when, and how much to spend. I only make $2000 a month, and that’s on a part time basis.Not to mention all the with holding they take out, so really I only bring in $1800 a month. House payment is $1,147.00 a month, property taxes are $460 every 3rd month, utilities vary on any given month, water not so bad, about $35-$45 a month, cable is $178.00 a month. Please don’t tell me to get rid of cable. But that includes, the phone, and internet and cable all on one bill. So really I’m paying about the same if it were all on a different bill.

                So I’, not really sure on what to do here. Bide my time and wait and see, or what. I have this thing about holding onto my money, only spending if I really, really have to do.

                And as I look at it, I really don’t have to buy a car just yet. Since I’ve had my car, the only really big expense I spent on it, was when I had to have my engine rebuilt. But, it seems like since that gal plowed into me a few months ago, things have been going kind of haywire. Not super expensive, but enough.

      • My Computers — the story of the shoemaker and his kids shoes comes to mind —

        We have 4.4 computers per person in our house….but that statistic, of course, hides the fact that my wife only has two (desktop and Laptop), the child one (laptop) and I have the rest – all in some state of ‘upgrade’…

        Re: House buying.

        While you’re waiting – empty your credit cards (but DO NOT CANCEL THEM) – apply for at least one more credit card; buy something around $400 and pay it off over 4 months (yes, you pay a bit of interest). Rotate the use of all your cards monthly – paying them off fully on time. This little game will add 75 to 100 pts on your FICA score.

        Save for a 20% down payment PLUS closing costs PLUS 3% total value for repairs/upgrades after purchase. DO NOT USE CREDIT CARDS for your house needs.

        Of course, get a locked-in interest rate for at least 10 years (20 better). I don’t care about the amortization – inflation will pay off your loan well before you finish the amortization – so as long an amortization you want…

        We are approaching a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for a few smart Americans to change the financil course of their future generations history = free and clear property in an era where owning property will be as rare as people owning a Ferrari.

        • I got news for you BF, We don’t have any credit cards. I pay for things with my debit, that way I don’t have any monthly payments on anything, and that includes any house hold items we might need.

          We found it too easy to have credit cards, because gee, if we didn’t have cash handy, then out comes the credit card, and now you’re stuck with monthly payments and a high interest rate. It’s been about 2-3 years since we had any, and the only one we did have really was Sears. I don’t shop at Sear anymore, so why have it? I won’t say what I really think of that store either, you wouldn’t like my language.

          • Judy – the temptation is always there of course, but credit cards are not really different from debit cards if you’re diligent about paying it off in full each month – no interest, no fees, and as a bonus it builds up your credit history.

        • This financial opportunity has happened before and I took advantage of it. We bought our first house in 1965, sold it in 1972, and made about $14K gross. Bought again in 1972, sold it in 2003 and made $400K gross. Bought another in 2003, sold it in 2006, and made $350K gross. Bought another house in 2007 and now we live with no mortgage and lots of money in the bank (not literally, investments mostly).

          Of course, we paid on mortgages along the way, but mostly we benefited from inflation. We weren’t smart though, just lucky.

          Of course this approach could work again, but it might take some time. Real estate prices are down right now, way down in some places. Same thing happened in the late ’70s early ’80s, but the market rebounded eventually.

          • If you are in the position, one strategy would be to take a 50% mortgage on your current property (fixed rate; 20year term) and buy an investment properties – with 20% down (fixed rate; 20 year terms).

            I strongly urge learning from this man – he is real, and makes good money in real estate.


            “Best way to be a millionaire is to borrow a million today and let inflation pay it off”

      • “Rummage sales/garage sales are awesome, and you can occasionally find something of great value for fifty cents.”

        I’ve gotten into Craigslist, good stuff there if you deal with everyone in person to avoid the scams.


    What does it mean when the Gov. launches this site today?


    Cool animation of a recent comet strike into Jupiter

  42. Greatergoodcs says:

    I’m sure yo’ll are gonna love this:

    Michael Moore’s latest … summarized as “Capitalism is Evil”

    Evil? Isn’t that a Black Flagism?

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Yes, but you would never hear BF associate that with capitalism.

      You see, as usual Michael Moore is confused. He takes our current mercantilist/corporatist/government sponsored economy, calls it “capitalism” and then says that capitalism is evil.

      I would agree with him whole-heartedly that what we currently have for an “economic system” in America is indeed evil. I would totally disagree with him that our current “economic system” resembles capitalism in any particular way.

      • Exactly, Peter

        This is a common complaint of mine, especially in the context of “government”.

        The ‘bait and switch’ definitions….. let’s label a fascist/mercantilist economy as “Capitalism” and then argue that “Capitalism is evil” with this evidence – when, in fact, Capitalism is grossly offended by fascists and mercantilists!

        Same with ‘government …. let’s label that as “protector of rights and giver of security” and then argue how good that is, therefore ‘government’ must be good – when, if fact, government is the destroyer of rights and security and is pure evil!

        Hence my demand of definition – it exposes these games.


    Aristotle, more than 2,000 years ago he wrote of what can happen within the form, when “one thing takes the place of another, so that the ancient laws will remain, while the power will be in the hands of those who have brought about revolution in the state.”

    No matter how carefully a revolution may have been planned there is bound to be a crucial time.

    That comes when the actual seizure of power is taking place.

    In this case certain steps were necessary.

    They were difficult and daring steps. But more than that, they had to be taken in a certain sequence, with forethought and precision of timing. One out of place might have been fatal. What happened was that one followed another in exactly the right order, not one out of time or out of place.

    Having passed this crisis, the [New Deal/WoT/Obamacare] went on from one problem to another, taking them in the proper order, according to revolutionary technic; and if the handling of one was inconsistent with the handling of another, even to the point of nullity, that was blunder in reverse.

    The effect was to keep people excited about one thing at a time, and divided, while steadily through all the uproar of outrage and confusion a certain end, held constantly in view, was pursued by main intention.

    The end held constantly in view was power.

    In a revolutionary situation mistakes and failures are not what they seem.

    They are scaffolding. Error is not repealed. It is compounded by a longer law, by more decrees and regulations, by further extensions of the administrative hand.

    As deLawd said in The Green Pastures, that when you have passed a miracle you have to pass another one to take care of it, so it was with the [New Deal/WoT/Obamacare].

    Every miracle it passed, whether it went right or wrong, had one result.

    Executive power over the social and economic life of the nation was increased.

    Draw a curve to represent the rise of executive power and look there for the mistakes.

    You will not find them. The curve is consistent.

  44. Now given —
    (1) the opportunity,
    (2) a country whose fabulous wealth was in the modern forms — dynamic, functional, non-portable,
    (3) a people so politically naive as to have passed a law against any attempt to overthrow their government by force — and,
    (4) the intention to bring about what Aristotle called a revolution in the state, within the frame of existing law — Then from the point of view of scientific revolutionary technic what would the problems be?

    They set themselves down in sequence as follows:

    The first, naturally, would be to capture the seat of government. [Done.}

    The second would be to seize economic power. [Creation of the FED]

    The third would be to mobilize by propaganda the forces of hatred. [War on Islam]

    The fourth would he to reconcile and then attach to the revolution the two great classes whose adherence is indispensable but whose interests are economically antagonistic, namely, the industrial wage earners and the farmers, called in Europe workers and peasants. [Class conflict – rich vs poor – health care ‘reform’]

    The fifth would be what to do with business — whether to liquidate or shackle it. [Economic crisis-nationalization of banking and industry]

    (These five would have a certain imperative order in time and require immediate decisions because they belong to the program of conquest. That would not be the end. What would then ensue? A program of consolidation. Under that head the problems continue.)

    The sixth, in Burckhardt’s devastating phrase, would be “the domestication of individuality” — by any means that would make the individual more dependent upon government.[Entitlement programs]

    The seventh would be the systematic reduction of all forms of rival authority.[Two shirt-one part system]

    The eighth would be to sustain popular faith in an unlimited public debt, for if that faith should break the government would be unable to borrow, if it could not borrow it could not spend, and the revolution must be able to borrow and spend the wealth of the rich or else it will be bankrupt.[Bailouts]

    The ninth would be to make the government itself the great capitalist and enterpriser, so that the ultimate power in initiative would pass from the hands of private enterprise to the all-powerful state…[End game]

    • Quite depressing BF. We got big problems coming our way, worse than what we have now! Guess I’ll have a beer.


    • What we shall see is that in every case the choice was one that could not fail:

      (a) To ramify the authority and power of executive government — its power, that is, to rule by decrees and rules and regulations of its own making;

      (b) To strengthen its hold upon the economic life of the nation;

      (c) To extend its power over the individual;

      (d) To degrade the parliamentary principle;

      (e) To impair the great American tradition of an independent, Constitutional judicial power;

      (f) To weaken all other powers — the power of private enterprise, the power of private finance, the power of state and local government;

      (g) To exalt the leader principle.

      Remembering that this essay was written in 1938….

      • Greatergoodcs says:

        Remember also, it was written by a lunatic.

        Do you really fear regulation to that degree?

        Oy-vey …

        But you still haven’t showen me how a non-government society would work. D13 (I think) did … he said the strong would eat the weak.

        • GG,

          You haven’t submitted to reason – hence, it is futile to reason with you.

          • GreaterGoodscs says:

            I don’t submit; why you can’t win the argument.

            Or answer the question …

            • It is irrational to debate with an irrational man.

              Thus, until you accept reason, any discussion above what I would hold with a toddler would be pointless.


      There was here no choice of means. The use of force was not to be considered.

      Therefore, it had to be done by ballot.

      That being the ease, and the factor of political discontent running very high, the single imperative was not to alarm the people.

      “How could we tell the people what we were going to do when we ourselves did not know?” And that also may be true — that they did not know what they were going to do.

      Lenin, the greatest theorist of them all, did not know what he was going to do after he had got the power.

      He made up plans as he went along, changed them if they did not work, even reversed them, but always of course in a manner consistent with his basic revolutionary thesis.

      And so it was with Hitler, who did it by ballot, and with Mussolini, who did it by force.

      There was probably no blueprint of the “Yes we can!”, nor even a clear drawing.

      Promises were expedient inventions.

      What was concealed from the people was a general revolutionary intention — the intention, that is, to bring about revolution in the state, within the form of law.

      This becomes clear when you set down what it was the people thought they were voting for in contrast with what they got. They thought they were voting:

      For less government, not more;

      For an end of deficit spending by government, not deficit spending raised to the plane of a social principle, and,

      For sound money, not as the bailout afterward defined it, but as everybody then understood it, who wrote the money plank in the Democratic party platform and during the campaign earnestly denounced as akin to treason any suggestion that the New Way was going to do what it did forthwith proceed to do, over his dramatic protest.

      The first three planks of the Democratic Party platform read as follows:

      We advocate:

      “1. An immediate and drastic reduction of governmental expenditures by abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating departments and bureaus and eliminating extravagance, to accomplish a saving of not lees than 25 per cent in the cost of Federal government.

      “2. Maintenance of the national credit by a Federal budget annually balanced….

      “3. A sound currency to be maintained at all hazards.”

      [The President] pledged himself to be bound by this platform as no President had ever before been bound by a party document. All during the campaign he supported it with words that could not possibly be misunderstood. He said:

      “I accuse the present Administration of being the greatest spending Administration all American history — one which piled bureau on bureau, commission on commission, and has failed to anticipate the dire needs or reduced earning power of the people.

      Bureaus and bureaucrats have been retained at the expense of the taxpayer…. We are spending altogether too much money for government services which are neither practical nor necessary. In addition to this, we are attempting too many functions and we need a simplification of what the Federal government is giving to the people.”

      This he said many times.

      Few of the great majority that voted for less Federal government and fewer Federal functions could have imagined that by the middle of the next year the extensions of government and the multiplication of its functions would have been such as to create serious administrative confusion in Washington, which the President, according to his own words, dealt with in the following manner:

      “On July eleventh I constituted the Executive Council for the simple reason that so many new agencies having been created, a weekly meeting with the members of the Cabinet in joint session was imperative…. Mr. —- was appointed as Executive Secretary of the Council.”

      Fewer still could have believed that if such a thing did happen it would be more than temporary, for the duration of the emergency only; and yet within a year after the President had pledged himself, if elected, to make a 26 per cent cut in Federal government by “eliminating functions” and by “abolishing many boards and commissions,” he was writing, in a book entitled On Our Way, the following:

      “In spite of the necessary complexity of the group of organizations whose abbreviated titles have caused some amusement, and through what has seemed to some a mere reaching out for centralized power by the Federal government, there has run a very definite, deep and permanent objective.”

      Few of the majority that voted for an end of deficit spending and a balanced Federal budget could have believed that the President’s second budget message to Congress would shock the financial reason of the country, or that in that same book, On Our Way, he would be writing about it in a blithesome manner, saying: “The next day, I transmitted the Annual Budget Message to the Congress.

      It is, of course, filled with figures and accompanied by a huge volume containing in detail all of the proposed appropriations for running the government during the fiscal year.

      Although the facts of previous appropriations had all been made public, the country, and I think most of the Congress, did not fully realize the huge sums which would be expended by the government this year and next year; nor did they realize the great amount the Treasury would have to borrow.”

      And certainly almost no one who voted for a sound money according to the could have believed that less than a year later, in an address reviewing the extraordinary monetary acts of the New Way, the President would be saying: “We are thus continuing to move toward a managed currency.”

      The broken party platform, as an object, had a curious end.

      Instead of floating away and out of sight as a proper party platform should, it kept coming back with the tide. Once it came so close that the President had to notice it.

      Then all he did was to turn it over, campaign side down, with the words: “I was able, conscientiously, to give full assent to this platform and to develop its purpose in campaign speeches. A campaign, however, is apt to partake so much of the character of a debate and the discussion of individual points that the deeper and more permanent philosophy of the whole plan (where one exists) is often lost.”

      At that the platform sank.

      And so the first problem was solved. The seat of government was captured by ballot, according to law.

      • Everyone who votes is complacent in the crime of the century.

        By the ballot, voters agreed with the destroyers of their nation – matters not which color shirt you voted for.

        The Elite used you against yourself – and they are sure you will repeat the same again, and again, and again….


      This was the critical problem.

      The brilliant solution of it will doubtless make a classic chapter in the textbooks of revolutionary technic.

      In a highly evolved money economy, such as this one, the shortest and surest road to economic power would be what?

      It would be control of money, banking, and credit.

      The Elite knew that answer. It knew also the steps and how to take them, and above all, it knew its opportunity.

      It arrived at the seat of government in the midst of that well known phenomenon called a banking crisis, such as comes at the end of every great depression.

      It is like the crisis of a fever.

      When the banks begin to fail, pulling one another down, that is the worst that can happen. If the patient does not die then he will recover. We were not going to die. The same thing had happened to us before, once or twice in every twenty years, and always before the cure had brought itself to pass as it was bound to do again.

      In his inaugural address, the President declared that the people had “asked for discipline and direction under leadership”; that he would seek to bring speedy action “within my Constitutional authority”; and that he hoped the “normal balance of executive and legislative authority” could be maintained, and then said: “But in the event that Congress shall fail… and in the event that the national emergency is still critical… I shall ask Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the crisis — broad executive power to make war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given to me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe.”

      It is true that people wanted action.

      It is true that they were in a mood to accept any pain-killer, and damn the normal balance of authority between the executive and legislative authority.

      That was an emotional state of mind perfectly suited to a revolutionary purpose, and the President took advantage of it to make the first startling exposition of his philosophy.

      Note his assertion of the leadership principle over any other. Discipline under leadership. Note the threat to Congress — “in the event that Congress shall fail.” But who was to say if the Congress had failed? The leader, of course. If in his judgment the Congress failed, then, with the people behind him, he would demand war powers to deal with an economic emergency.

      The word emergency was then understood to mean what the dictionaries said it meant — namely, a sudden juncture of events demanding immediate action. It was supposed to refer only to the panic and the banking crisis, both temporary.

      But what it meant to the President, as nobody then knew, was a very different thing.

      Writing a year later, in his book, On Our Way, he said: “Strictly speaking, the banking crisis lasted only one week…. But the full meaning of that word emergency related to far more than banks; it covered the whole economic and therefore the whole social structure of the country.

      It was an emergency that went to the roots of our agriculture, our commerce, our industry; it was an emergency that has existed for a whole generation in its underlying causes and for three-and-one-half years in its visible effects.

      It could be cured only by a complete reorganization and measured control of the economic structure….It called for a long series of new laws, new administrative agencies.

      It required separate measures affecting different subjects; but all of them component parts of a fairly definite broad plan.”

      So, what the Program really intended to do, what it meant to do within the Constitution if possible, with the collaboration of Congress if Congress did not fail, but with war powers if necessary, was to reorganize and control the “whole economic and therefore the whole social structure of the country.”

      And therein lay the meaning — the only consistent meaning — of a series of acts touching money, banking and credit which, debated as monetary policy, made no sense whatever.

      The first step, three days before the new Congress convened, was an executive decree suspending all activities of banking throughout the country. Simply, every bank was shut up. The same decree forbade, under pain of fine and imprisonment, any dealing in foreign exchange or any transfer of credit from the United States to any place abroad, and that was to slam the door against the wicked rich who might be tempted to run out.

      The second step was an act of Congress, saying, “Acts of the President and Secretary of the Treasury since March 4, 1933, are hereby confirmed and approved.”

      That made everything legal after the fact: and it was the first use of Congress as a rubber stamp.

      The same act of Congress provided that no bank in the Federal Reserve System should resume business except subject to rules and regulations to be promulgated by the Secretary of the Treasury, gave the President absolute power over foreign exchange and authorized the Federal government to invest public funds in private bank stock, thereby providing banks with new capital owned by the government.

      And that was the act that authorized the President to require people to surrender their [houses]. Congress did not write any of these acts. It received them from the White House and passed them.

      The third step was a decree by the President requiring all persons and corporations whatever to divest themselves of gold and hand it over to the government.

      The law authorizing him to do that had fixed the penalty of non-compliance at a fine equal to twice the value of the gold. The executive decree added the penalty of imprisonment.

      In view of further intentions not yet disclosed it was imperative for the government to get possession of all the gold.

      With a lot of gold in private hands its control of money, banking, and credit could have been seriously challenged. All that the government asked for at first was possession of the gold, as if it were a trust.

      For their gold as they gave it up people received paper money, but this paper money was still gold standard money — that is to say, it had always been exchangeable for gold dollar for dollar, and people supposed that it would be so again, when the crisis passed.

      Not a word had yet been said about devaluing the dollar or repudiating the gold standard. The idea held out was that a: people surrendered their gold they were supporting the nation’s credit.

      This decree calling in the gold was put forth or April 5.

      There was then an awkward interlude. The Treasury was empty. It had to sell some bonds. If people knew what was going to happen they might hesitate to buy new Treasury bonds.

      Knowing that it was going to devalue the dollar, knowing that it was going to repudiate the gold redemption clause in its bonds, even while it was writing the law of repudiation, the government nevertheless issued and sold to the people bonds engraved as usual, that is, with the promise of the United States Government to pay the interest and redeem the principal “in United States gold coin of the present standard of value.”

      The fourth step was the so-called Inflation Amendment attached to the Emergency Farm Relief Act.

      This law made sure that the Treasury need not be caught that way again. It forcibly opened the tills of the Federal Reserve Bank System to three billions of Treasury notes, authorized three billions of fiat money to be issued in the President’s discretion, and gave the President power in his own discretion to devalue the dollar by one-half.

      The fifth step was the act of repudiation.

      By resolution June 5, 1933, the Congress repudiated the gold redemption clause in all government obligations, saying they should be payable when due in any kind of money the government might see fit to provide; and, going further, it declared that the same traditional redemption clause in all private contracts, such, for example, as railroad and other corporation bonds, was contrary to public policy and therefore invalid.

      The sixth step was a new banking act giving the Federal government power to say how private banks should lend their money, on what kinds of collateral and in what proportions, and the arbitrary power to cut them off from credit with Federal Reserve Banks.

      This arbitrary power to cut them off from credit was a strangle hold, and it was gained by changing one little word in the country’s organic banking law. From the beginning until then the law was that a Federal Reserve Bank “shall” lend to a private bank on suitable security. This word was changed to “may.” Thus a right became a privilege and a privilege that could be suspended at will.

      The seventh step — and it was the one most oblique — was to produce what may be described as monetary pandemonium. This continued for six months. To understand it will require some effort of attention.

      When by the Inflation Amendment the dollar was cut loose from gold it did not immediately fall.

      That was because, in spite of everything, it was the best piece of money in the whole world. Well then, when the dollar did not fall headlong of its own weight the government began to club it down, and the club it used to beat it with was gold. In the President’s words the procedure was like this: “I am authorizing the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to buy newly mined gold in the United States at prices to be determined from time to time after consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury and the President. Whenever necessary to the end in view we shall also buy or sell gold in the world market. My aim in taking this step is to establish and maintain continuous control. This is a policy and not an expedient.”

      Each morning thereafter the Treasury announced the price the government would pay for gold in paper dollars, one day 30 paper dollars for one ounce of gold, the next day 32 dollars, two days later 34 dollars, and so on; and not only the newly mined gold in this country but anybody’s gold anywhere in the world. Thus day by day the President and the Secretary of the Treasury determined the value of gold priced in American paper dollars, or the value of American paper dollars priced in gold, which was the same thing; and how they did it or by what rule, if any, nobody ever knew.

      The spectacle of a great, solvent government paying a fictitious price for gold it did not want and did not need and doing it on purpose to debase the value of its own paper currency was one to astonish the world. What did it mean? Regarded as monetary policy it made no meaning whatever. But again, if you will regard it from the point of view of revolutionary technic, it has meaning enough.

      One effect was that private borrowing and lending, except from day to day, practically ceased. With the value of the dollar being posted daily at the Treasury like a lottery number, who would lend money for six months or a year, with no way of even guessing what a dollar would he worth when it came to be paid back? “No man outside of a lunatic asylum,” said Senator Glass, “will loan his money today on a farm mortgage” But the New Deal had a train of Federal lending agencies ready to start. The locomotive was the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. The signal for the train to start was a blast of propaganda denouncing Wall Street, the hanks and all private owners of capital for their unwillingness to lend. So the government, in their place, became the great provider of credit and capital for all purposes. It loaned public funds to farmers and home owners to enable them to pay off their mortgages; it loaned also to banks, railroads, business, industry, new enterprise, even to foreign borrowers. Thereby private debt was converted into public debt in a very large and popular way. It was popular because the government, having none of the problems of a bank or a private lender, with no fetish of solvency a restrain it, with nothing really to lose even though the money should never come back, was a benevolent lender. It loaned public money to private borrowers on terms and at rates of interest with which no bank nor any private lender could compete; and the effect was to create a kind of fictitious, self-serving necessity. The government could say to the people, and did say to them: “Look. It is as we said. The money changers, hating the New Deal, are trying to make a credit famine. But your government will beat them.”

      In a Fireside Chat, October 22, 1933, the President said; “I have publicly asked that foreclosures on farms and chattels and on homes be delayed until every mortgagor in the country shall have had full opportunity to take advantage of Federal credit. I make the further request, which many of you know has already been made through the great Federal credit organizations, that if there is any family in the United States about to lose its home or about to lose its chattels, that family should telegraph at once either to the Farm Credit Administration or to the Home Owners Loan Corporation in Washington requesting their help. Two other great agencies are in full swing. The Reconstruction Finance Corporation continues to lend large sums to industry and finance, with the definite objective of making easy the extending of credit to industry, commerce and finance.”

      The other great lending agency to which he referred was the one that dispensed Federal credit to states, cities, towns, and worthy private organizations for works of public and social benefit. In the same Fireside Chat he urged them to come on with their projects. “Washington,” he said, “has the money and is waiting for the proper projects to which to allot it.”

      Then began to he heard the saying that Washington had become the country’s Wall Street, which was literally true. Anyone wanting credit for any purpose went no longer to Wall Street but to Washington. The transfer of the financial capital of the nation to Washington, the President said, would be remembered, as “one of the two important happenings of my Administration.”

      What was the source of the money’! Partly it was imaginary money, from inflation. Largely it was the taxpayer’s money. If the government lost it the taxpayer would have to find it again. And some of it, as the sequel revealed, was going to be confiscated money. By this time the New Deal had got control of the public purse. The Congress had surrendered control of it by two acts of self-abnegation. One was the Inflation Amendment and the other was an appropriation of $3,300,000,000 put into the hands of the President to do with what he liked as the architect of recovery.

      All through the commotion of these unnatural events one end was held steadily in view, and that was a modern version of the act for which kings had been hated and sometimes hanged, namely to clip the coin of the realm and take the profit into the king’s revenue.

      The eighth step was the act of confiscation. At the President’s request the Congress, on January 30, 1934, passed a law vesting in the Federal government absolute title to all that gold which people had been obliged to exchange for gold standard paper dollars the year before, thinking as they did that it was for the duration of the emergency only and that they were supporting the nation’s credit. They believed the statement issued at the time by the Secretary of the Treasury, saying: “Those surrendering the gold of course receive an equivalent amount of other forms of currency and those other forms of currency may be used for obtaining gold in an equivalent amount when authorized for proper purposes.” Having by such means got physical possession of the gold, it was a very simple matter for the government to confiscate it. All that it had to do was to have Congress pass a law vesting title in the government.

      The ninth and last step was to devalue the dollar. In his message to Congress asking for the law that confiscated the gold the President said: “I do not believe it desirable in the public interest that an exact value be now fixed.” Nevertheless, on January 31, 1934, the day after the act of confiscation was passed, he did fix the exact value of the dollar at 59 per cent of its former gold content. The difference, which was 41 cents in every dollar of gold that had been confiscated, was counted as government profit and took the form of a free fund of two billions in the Treasury, called a stabilization fund, with which the President could do almost anything he liked. Actually it was used to take control of the foreign exchange market out of the hands of international finance.

      Control of money, banking, and credit had passed to Washington. Thus problem number two was solved.

      The reason for giving so much attention to it is that it was the New Deal’s most brilliant feat; and certainly not the least remarkable fact about it was the skill with which criticism was played into making its fight on false and baited ground. Each step as it occurred was defended, and therefore attacked, on ground of monetary policy, whereas the ultimate meaning was not there at all.

      Consider first the logical sequence of the nine steps; consider secondly that if national recovery had been the end in view many alternative steps were possible, whereas from the point of view of revolutionary technic these nine were the imperative steps and the order in which they were taken was the necessary order. Then ask if it could have happened that way by chance.

      Not even a New Dealer any longer maintains that the four steps directly involving gold, namely, the seizure of it, the repudiation of the government’s gold contracts, then the confiscation of the gold, and lastly the devaluation of the dollar, were necessary merely as measures toward national recovery. In the history of the case there is no more dramatic bit of testimony than that of Senator Glass, formerly Secretary of the Treasury, who in April, 19′, rose from a sick bed and appeared in the Senate to speak against the Inflation Amendment. He said:

      “I wrote with my own hand that provision of the national Democratic platform which declared for a sound currency to be maintained at all hazards…. With nearly 40 per cent of the entire gold supply of the world, why are we going off the gold standard? With all the earmarked gold, with all the securities of ours they hold, foreign governments could withdraw in total less than $700,000,000 of our gold, which would leave us an ample fund of gold, in the extremest case, to maintain gold payments both at home and abroad…. To me the suggestion that we may devalue the gold dollar 59 per cent means national repudiation. To me it means dishonor. In my conception of it, it is immoral… There was never any necessity for a gold embargo. There is no necessity for making statutory criminals of citizens of the United States who may please to take their property in the shape of gold or currency out of the banks and use it for their own purposes as they may please. We have gone beyond the cruel extremities of the French, and they made it a capital crime, punishable at the guillotine, for any tradesman or individual citizens of the realm to discriminate in favor of gold and against their printing press currency. We have gone beyond that. We have said that no man may have his gold, under penalty of ten years in the penitentiary or $10,000 fine.”

      And when the “gold eases” went to the United States Supreme Court — the unreconstructed court — the judgment was one that will he forever a blot on a certain page of American history. The Court said that what the government had done was immoral but not illegal. How could that he? Because the American government, like any other government, has the sovereign power to commit an immoral act. Until then the American government was the only great government in the world that had never repudiated the ward engraved upon its bond.

      • “History doesn’t repeat itself – but it does sing in tune.”

        The same methodology that FDR used is repeated today – seizure of bank ownership, government control of capital, etc. while all along – destroying the value of money held by the People.

        Take the time to read the essay – our future may end the same way it did in the past, but multiplied by 100 times.


      “We must hate,” said Lenin. “Hatred is the basis of Communism.”

      Hitler in Mein Kampf, where he said: “It is part of the genius of a great leader to make adversaries of different fields appear as always belonging to one category.

      As soon as the wavering masses find themselves confronting too many enemies objectivity at once steps in and the question is raised whether actually all the others are wrong and their own cause or their own movement right….

      Therefore a number of different internal enemies must always be regarded as one in such a way that in the opinion of the mass of one’s own adherents the war is being waged against one enemy alone.

      This strengthens the belief in one’s own cause and increases one’s bitterness against the attackers.”

    • “When we see a lot of framed timbers, different portions of which we know have been gotten out at different times and places, and by different workmen…

      …and when we see those timbers joined together, and see that they exactly make the frame of a house or a mill, all the tenons and mortises exactly fitting, and all the lengths and proportions of the different pieces exactly adapted to their respective places, and not a piece too many or too few…

      …in such a case we find, it impossible not to believe that… all understood one another from the beginning, and all worked upon a common plan or draft, drawn up before the first blow was struck.” —Abraham Lincoln

  45. Hi Ya’ll,

    This evening at 6:30 pm (est), Senator Sherrod Brown will host a internet townhall thingy.

    Link provided. I submitted this question: With the Government involving itself in the free market concerning home ownership, with the Community Reinvestmant Act, Fannie and Freddie, and proding banks to make loans to people who couldn’t afford them, home ownership hit 69% in 2004. Then the near collapse of our financial system occured as a result of the housing bubble bursting, a deep recession, mass unemployment soon followed.

    With that in mind, can you explain how the governments involvement in the free market healthcare system will not have similiar or even worse effects on the healthcare industry?

    That was from memory, but doubt he will answer it. I will try and ask it live during the event, hope some of you will join me>


    • Hey G, good luck.

    • Well, He didn’t answer the question, yet. I will give him credit where it is due, he did answer questions at my level, and did a good job of it. I’m not sold on the public option, but he sure made a simple and strong argument for it. But, the question I posed bears much thought, and needs to be answered before I can support this legislation. Any thoughts?



    Defense of Necessity

    Article offers strong argument along the past lines of GG’s ‘right to steal’ argument and the posted Biblical lesson of taking the grapes from a vine or the wheat from a field.

    Worthy of dialogue (if we get bored one day)

  47. “A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than you love yourself.”

    “In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn’t merely try to train him to be semi-human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming part dog.”

    “The dog has got more fun out of man than man has gotten out of the dog, for man is the more laughable of the two animals.”

    “The greatest pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him, and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself, too.”

    Enjoy the new puppy USWeapon. There’s nothing like a goofy dog (or two or three!) to lighten the mood and take the edge off.

  48. ome
    Political Oddsmaker Says Reid Appears Vulnerable in 2010 Race
    An analysis by The Cook Political Report, which gauges political races across the country, shifted the Nevada Senate seat from the “likely Democratic” column to “toss up” in its 2010 predictions.

    A top political oddsmaker on Thursday said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid appears vulnerable in his 2010 re-election race.

    An analysis by The Cook Political Report, which gauges political races across the country, shifted the Nevada Senate seat from the “likely Democratic” column to “toss up” in its 2010 predictions.

    The toughly worded analysis said it was doing so “in anticipation of a very hotly contested — and likely nasty — general election.”

    The assessment noted a series of recent developments that could imperil Reid.

    Recent polling showed that GOP candidate Danny Tarkanian, a former University of Nevada-Las Vegas basketball player, had an early lead over Reid. It also showed Sue Lowden, chairwoman of the Nevada Republican Party and a possible candidate, leading the Democratic incumbent.

    Meanwhile, Reid got in a high-profile dispute with the Las Vegas Review-Journal after he told the paper’s ad director he hopes the company goes “out of business.” Plus he drew attention for bluntly stating in an interview that Sen. Ted Kennedy’s death would “help us” pass health care reform.

    But the analysis noted that the overall political environment, considered detrimental for Democrats, and the sagging Nevada economy compound Reid’s problems.

    “If we were skeptical of Reid’s vulnerability at the start of the cycle, we have become increasingly convinced over the last two months or so that he is as endangered as any Democratic incumbent seeking re-election in 2010,” the analysis said, calling Reid’s political problems “deep” and “difficult” — but not irreversible.

    • Dreaming: Reid, Pelosi, and Boxer all unemployed Jan. 5, 2011. Would that be called a stimulous?

      • That would be called heaven.

        • Here is something scary for us Nevadans to think about. Harry Reid’s son Rory is considering running for Govenor. He said he doesn’t think being Reids son will have any barring on whether he wins or not. Wanna bet. He feels that just because he’s Harry Reid’s son, that the voters won’t judge him on that. I say, what a laugh that is. I wouldn’t vote for a Reid, if you handed to me on a silver platter.

  49. Market Confidence Low: Carbon Credits now worth 25 cents, were at $7 in 2008

    Expect the government to step in and stir the pot – Al GOre is losing money!

  50. SEC contrite for failure to uncover Madoff

    “It is a sobering and humbling experience,” said the SEC’s director of enforcement Robert Khuzami and John Walsh, the agency’s acting director of exams and compliance, in joint testimony delivered to Congress.

    “We deeply regret our failure to detect the Madoff fraud and pledge to continue to fix the problems that contributed to this failure,” Khuzami and Walsh both said.

    *Name one person who has been fired over this*

  51. The Senate on Wednesday voted to confirm President Obama’s nominee for “regulatory czar,” overcoming months of delay due to Republican concerns that he would push a radical animal rights agenda.

    Senators voted 57-40 to approve Harvard professor Cass Sunstein as the administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs at the Office of Budget and Management.

    As regulatory czar, Sunstein will review and provide guidance for draft federal regulations at different federal agencies. It is a wide-ranging and largely unrestrained position in the executive branch.

    That’s a large part of the reason Sunstein’s positions on animal rights have become worrisome to his critics. Despite his assurances to the contrary, Sunstein has spoken stridently in favor of allowing people the right to bring suit on behalf of animals in animal cruelty cases and to restrict what he calls the more horrific practices associated with industrial breeding and processing of animals for food.

    Republican Sens. John Cornyn of Texas and Saxby Chambliss of Georgia had placed a “hold” on his nomination to prevent a vote from coming to the floor. Chambliss lifted his hold in July because he said Sunstein had convinced him that he wouldn’t impose new restrictions on agriculture or hunting.

  52. President Obama gave his 28th speech on health care reform to a joint session of Congress this past week. Too bad the presidency doesn’t consist solely of such “big occasion” speeches. The president excels in this area. Unfortunately, the basic principles he enunciated in this 28th rendition suffered from the same defects as the first 27 and explains why the public is resisting this latest version.

    There are no cost containment measures in the health care bill. If the president’s latest plan is enacted, costs will go UP, not down. By adding millions of new consumers of health care to a static pool of health care providers, the simple law of supply and demand can provide no other outcome than to increase the cost. Costs will either rise or available care must be rationed. In addition, further cuts to Medicare providers will shift costs even further onto private plans. Finally, lawsuits against medical providers remain unchecked, adding hundreds of thousands of dollars to health care costs.

    Americans’ health care choices will decrease, not increase. A government bureaucracy run by an unelected commissioner will determine which services and benefits must be included in every health care plan in America. This can only reduce competition among providers. If you do not have an “approved” plan, the Internal Revenue Service can fine you. What does the health care bureaucrat know about your health care that you do not? Do you want the IRS to have access to your medical records? Such federal regulation of insurance providers is the “public option” by another name.

    State finances will become far worse. The states currently pay around 43% of all costs for Medicaid, the government program that helps poor Americans with their medical bills. Congressional plans call for huge increases in Medicaid eligibility (up to 133% of the poverty line) and spending. States will be faced with the mother of unfunded mandates and almost certainly have to raise taxes on individuals with income of less than $200,000, a violation of President Obama’s “prime directive” on taxation.

    Job creation and economic growth will suffer. The plan will substantially increase federal spending on health care. Part of the spending will be financed by tax increases, the rest by adding to the federal deficit, which is already scheduled to DOUBLE in the next seven years. This can only inhibit job creation at a time when unemployment is heading toward double digits. Why would the president endorse a plan that would delay economic recovery at a time that more and more Americans are looking for work?

    The president was eloquent as usual on behalf of his ideas. The problem is that the American public has already spoken: we do not want what the president is proposing. It is hardly heroic for congressional liberals to demand radical changes to satisfy their ideological imperatives by risking the seats of moderate Democrats. We will soon see if the moderates will cooperate in their own destruction.

  53. France set to impose carbon tax

    Mr Sarkozy says the French must cut their energy consumption

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy has announced plans for a new carbon tax aimed at combating global warming.

    *Good for France – for an immeasurable difference to the environment, they just gave away their economy to China*

    • Like I have always said, “you can medicate the mentally ill, but you can’t fix stupid!”


      • You sure do like Ron White don’t you. Remember the story about his tire falling off, not just falling off, but it fell the fuck off and flew?

    • I thought you were doing your disaster thing, or is it over with now?

      • Sorry, I meant this for BF.

      • No – were are “trapped” inside due to Panademic scare and quarantine – to test whether we have the right medicine to deal with the symptoms and enough food in storage to last a good week or more (without going out for food).

        Electricity and water are available –

        Tomorrow – something new. Mrs. Flag is guessing a “bug out” like a fire storm – pick up and leave in 10 minutes test.

        Fortunately, we are ready for that too 🙂

        • So, when does this disaster get through? Now, with you and family doing this, just how ready will you be if the real thing happens? I ask that, because you know how mock disasters go, you do fine until the real thing happens. Glad you’re able to have internet usage, if not, I bet you probably would go crazy, right.

          • BTW, You’ll be happy to know, I went out and bought me a new washer and dryer tonight. Remember, I told you earlier my other ones worked when they felt like it? Yes, my cob-webbed filled wallet opened up. I don’t spend unless I have to, and I had too.

            • Excellent!

              Spending on capital goods at this time is a good strategy. Your dollar is valuable (won’t be in the future) so converting it to a real good that will last a long time is perfect!

              Clean clothes are nice too 🙂

              • BF, You’ll also be happy to know, that I paid less than $600.00 for both. How’s that for a bargain?

              • Outstanding!

              • I thought that would make you happy BF.

              • Judy,

                Have you heard of freecycle and reuseit? I often see fairly new appliances, including washers / dryers given away on those groups. They give away about anything you can think of. And if you have something you don’t want anymore, but is too good to throw away, just post it.

              • Hey Dee

                Is that anything like Craig’s List? Haven’t heard of freecycle and reuseit.

                Right now, my old ones are sitting in front of our house, next to the driveway, and they can be seen from the street, so that way, if anybody sees them and wants them, they’re there for the taking.

                Can’t see selling them, the washer is 20 years old, the dryer, not sure, because it used to belong to my oldest son’s girlfriend, and she had it when she lived in Hawaii, while she was in the Marines.

          • Every day is a different ’emergency’ –

            We are quite ready for nearly anything – you can’t be perfect, since life never deals out the perfect emergency; however, we’ll probably be better prepared than 99% of those around us – and that is the key.

            The ol’saying – I don’t have to outrun the grizzly chasing both of us, I just have to outrun You. 🙂

            I’ve lived through disasters – self made and natural – and I’ve found that you become focused on the tasks and don’t really ‘miss much’ of civil life.

            If it goes on past a week and boredom sets in – then, yeah, I’ll miss the internet. I’m an info junky

            • Yes, Don’t I know it, that you’re an info junky. Don’t know what we’d do without you here passing a lot of the info you do. But, you know what BF, I would really miss all that if you weren’t here. Just thought I’d let you know that.

  54. To Cyndi and any others that follow the BO legality issue. Caught this in a clip from our neighbors to the north:

    • Thanks Kathy. That’s very interesting. I hope it is seriously looked into and acted up, though I’m afraid to get my hopes up. Where did you find it?

  55. Hi Judy,

    No Freecycle and Reuseit are not like Craig’s list.

    There is no buying, selling or trading. If you have something to give away, you just post it and people that need it will email you. Then you can choose whoever you want to give it to. If you see something you want you email the poster, the quicker the better…lol. Just google both of those sites, you will be able to sign up for your local lists, whatever is close by that works for you. Then you set it to email you either each posting or a daily digest.

    • Hi Dee

      Don’t know if you’ll get to this site today or not, but I’m answering you anyway. My son Christopher said he wants them. He said him and his girlfriend has now acquired I think 3 washers and 2 dryers. They plan on either selling them, or giving a couple away to whoever might need something. They want to keep a set for themselves. The old washer I think, they plan on taking in the mountain behind us, and shooting it to put it out of it’s misery. Didn’t get the clothes that clean anyway. Besides, it was an old thing anyway, went past it’s usefulness.

      Good Day to you


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