An Official Denial From the White House

912 Unite or Die FlagI apologize that I was unable to write last night and further that I am writing quite late and quickly tonight. To say things have been difficult around the Weapon household would be an understatement. I appreciate all the kind words everyone offered and the well wishes for Mrs. Weapon as she recovers from a major surgery. It is certainly taking more that we imagined to get through all the surgery stuff and deal with all the stuff we will have to deal with going forward as a result of the surgery. So please bear with me the next few weeks, as I will sometimes offer great articles, sometimes offer decent articles, and sometimes offer nothing at all, LOL. I am working on another article that I don’t have quite ready yet, so for tonight I wanted to start a discussion to attempt to get to the reality of what we witnessed this weekend. Another “Tea Party” was planned for 9/12, and thousands of people showed up….

This Photo is a FAKE!

This Photo is a FAKE!

While sitting in the hospital room Saturday, we watched coverage (only covered on Fox News of course) of the tens of thousands of people that packed the national mall in protest of the current administration, in protest of taxes, in protest of health care reform, in protest of rapidly growing government, just generally in protest. After researching for quite a while I am unable to get an accurate count of how many people attended the event. The liberal press is reporting 75,000. Limbaugh and Malkin are quoting something like 2 million. The picture circulated showing the crowd covering the mall past the Washington Monument has been proven a fake. But the descriptions I read on a lot of sites from folks who attended the event all were somewhat similar. From the multiple descriptions of the crowd and my knowledge of the DC landscape, I would have to put my estimate somewhere in the 300,000 to 600,000 range. Granted I was not there and I have nothing other than other’s descriptions and reasoning to back that up. It sounds about right though, and I had some friends there who figured half a million.

That number is important in a way, and completely unimportant in another way. It is important because the smaller it gets, the more the MSM and now, even the White House, get to attempt to marginalize dissent. And believe me they are doing their best “Mr. Thompson” and “Mr. Mouch” impressions at this point to ensure that the “general public” is convinced that there is nothing to see here (extra points for those that get the references to those two men). I am personally waiting for the press conference to the nation showing us that John Galt is working with the government to save the economy. But the number is also unimportant because we are interactive beings and we see those around us every day and we have a pulse on what people around us are thinking. And no matter what the number is from Saturday, it is irrelevant next to what we see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears.

Much like the health care reform town halls, our government and our main stream media is going out of their way to portray the people who dissent as fringe folks, as fake support drummed up by big political machines, as wacked out lunatics “who think government is going to kill grandma”, and even as racists. The one thing I will say to all that is you know you have them worried when they begin to attack so directly and vehemently.

Taxpayer RallyAnd now we even have the White House issuing statements that directly strike down the importance of widespread dissent and protest. The Obama administration has called this discontent “manufactured,” misguided and out-of-touch with the mainstream. Senior advisor to Obama, David Axelrod, stated, “I don’t think it’s indicative of the nation’s mood,” meaning that the “tea party” protesters are not in the mainstream or in the majority. He further added, arrogantly I might add, “My message to them is, they’re wrong.” According to an article I read, he pointed to a recent poll to prove “they don’t represent a mainstream view.”

That CBS poll, taken after Obama delivered a health care address to a joint session of Congress, showed 52 percent approve of the president’s handling of health care, versus 38 percent who disapprove. But that’s just a sliver of public opinion data. The same poll showed more Americans think the new health care plans will hurt them than help. And a similar CBS poll a week earlier, not taken immediately after a high-profile Obama speech, showed 47 percent disapprove of his handling of the issue, versus 40 percent who approve. Likewise, a Gallup poll released Sept. 8 showed 39 percent of Americans would direct their member of Congress to vote against health care reform, while 37 percent would direct them to vote for it. And a Washington Post-ABC News poll on Monday showed 48 percent are opposed to proposed changes, while 46 percent are in favor.

My Favorite Astroturf Moment.... Paid immigrants protesting with signs that they had no idea what was written on them

My Favorite Astroturf Moment.... Paid immigrants protesting with signs that they had no idea what was written on them

We have Nancy Pelosi saying the movements are pure astroturf, calling them out for what she praised her own party for doing a couple of years ago. We have White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs giving a press conference and stating that the protesters against the Obama administration’s plans don’t represent any significant portion of the general population. We have all the main stream media completely ignoring the gatherings when they take place and then dismissing their sentiment, and in some cases (MSNBC anyone) going as far as to hold discussions on how those protesting are nothing more than racists who don’t like a black President.

So I have tried my best to gather my own estimation of the pulse of the people that I deal with every day. And believe me, I come in contact with a vast array of people. It seems to me that the majority of those who have zero issue with anything happening in Washington these days….. have absolutely no idea what is happening in Washington these days. Once I begin to give a few details, they quickly see the bad in what is happening there. But overall, the thing that I see is a massive amount of people that are not happy with what is going on. Some are hard core Republicans and will never support anything a Democratic President does. But that number is dwindling quickly, as the Republican party has lost a ton of credibility in the eyes of many. But most are every day people. Some voted for Obama, some didn’t. But the gist that I get is that a majority of people I come in contact with are not happy with the steps this administration has taken over the last several months.

Marginalized TShirtSo my question for all of you comes down to this. Take off your filters for a bit. Forget that you do or don’t like the direction this administration has been going. Take an honest look around you. Are these protesters the minority or are they really the sentiments of the majority (be it a small or large one) of the people you know. Ignore the 20% on either side who will back their side no matter what, and focus on that 60% that is the true swing vote in the US. How are they feeling? What do they think? Because when I step outside of my own little box of this blog and my personal feelings, I am not convinced that what David Axelrod thinks is accurate. Furthermore I don’t think Axelrod is convinced of it either.

But let’s go on the assumption for the moment that the Obama administration believes its own press. Let’s assume that they are really taking the belief to heart that these protesters are not at all representative of the general population. If this is truly how they feel, are they setting themselves up for a rude awakening? Are they the emperor with no clothes, as someone noted earlier (great analogy by the way, to today’s politicians, so kudos to whomever that was)?

Now I will step out of that assumption, and tell you what I think. I think that the administration made a massive miscalculation on the amount of a “mandate” that they were given. They forget that the popular vote count wasn’t quite the landslide that they imagine it was. And I think that they are stunned with the fact that their popularity continues to decline. But I think they see it. And I think they are beginning to panic a little. I think they feel like Mike Tyson groping for his mouthpiece in Tokyo, not understanding how Buster Douglas knocked him on his ass. And now they are using every means of public communication possible to marginalize and minimize the dissent that they are now facing. This administration is floundering because they elected a great speaker, not a leader.

And they are realizing that it takes more than a great speaker to run this country, and perhaps even more than that if you want to “fundamentally change this nation going forward.”

And I think America is just beginning to realize how screwed we are if we don’t take the reigns from these two out of control monsters posing as wise elephants and hard working donkeys.

A New Silent Majority? White House Says Health Care Protesters Not in Mainstream – Political News – FOXNews.com

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Comments

  1. I believe more regualr folks are waking up to what’s going. They’re not happy about it but they don’t fell truly threatened. Most look at what’s happening as more of the same. Until a majority of Amercians feel threatened, Obama and crew will think they cannot be stopped. Those in opposition are what I consider to be a large minority.

  2. Good points USW, hope the Mrs’s is feeling better and gets well soon!

    The sticking point with me is the MSM, along with some of the elected, calling those who disagree with Obama racists. IMHO, they have reversed race relations by decades, in only a short time. I’ve seen even those that support the Administration being characterized as such, only because they are white. It is appearing that the MSM wants a civil war, and continue to push in that direction.

    Over the last 6 days, ACORN has been exposed for what they really are, only to have this racist bulldookie thrown around to anyone who was involved, and to those who want this organization investigated. My answer to the MSM, the Administration and ACORN is simple, if you want to deal with a racist, I’ll fake it the best I can, and once I fail at that, you will have no more lame excuses.

    PEACE!

    G!

    • At first I thought it would be only MSNBC and far left people who play the race card, but I saw on CNN Newsroom yesterday and today not coverage of the 9/12 event, but a headline about racism in the event. All my liberal friends can’t claim CNN is not left-leaning anymore with this coverage. Yesterday there was a fellow on in the newsroom saying that Rush Limbaugh was an instigator, claiming that Rush was saying there is too much multiculturalism and how this is a screen for scaring white people into being racist. I doubt the man even listened to Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh’s point was that he wants American pride, the American melting pot, which has a culture all of its own, not an amalgam of many. To claim that this spin is unbiased news proves just how biased they really are.

      Some people say that there weren’t many black people at the event and that proves racism. Let’s see, a lack of black people opposing a black president. Does that sound racist?

      CNN showed a bunch of the worst signs they could find, but I didn’t see anything about the president being black. The one they showed the most was comparing Obama to Hitler… Those racists! They can’t possibly be doing it for any other reason than he is black. I mean, really, this is what you play as news?

      Racism will never go away while people bring up race at all. As far as I’ve seen, it is the left who brought it up and who is keeping it up. Sure, there are racists on both sides, but that is not the primary discontent of these protesters.

  3. Since there exists no alternative that does not entail an economic meltdown, the government is in deep trouble. They can do no right to nobody because it simply does not exist.

    The signs of massive, constant discontent are everywhere because there is nothing the government can do, but bad. It will damage either an entitlement or the working class.

    It will be Chris’s dream – full out and out class warfare.

    • The “no alternative that does not entail an economic meltdown” should read “no alternative this government is currently willing to entertain that does not entail an economic meltdown” which is far more accurate. Its a conscious choice POTUS has made not merely “what’s been necessary” which even has his staunch supporter Warren Buffet admitting the utilities section of Waxman-Markey is a large tax on every American and greatly effects small business. I would put it to you that should Warren Buffet become a naysayer of the actuality of following the administrations ideals on economics, he’s the next one under the bus and Alzheimer’s will be the tag line on CNN. On a side note is Sorros set to make even more on shorting America one more time?

      That there are hundreds of sticking points on this ball POTUS is pitching, why all the surprise when someone calls it a “sea urchin”?

  4. Richmond Spitfire says:

    Hi USWeapon,

    I am not shy when talking to people about this…At doctor’s offices, in the checkout lanes, on my 9-Ball teams, etc.

    People are really upset. Last Friday at the hospital while registering for my X-Ray, the young hospital employee (Terry) just started talking about it with no prodding from me! She was 23 years old and frankly I was surprised by what she had to say and had to ask her to repeat it. She was quite open with her disdain after she realized that she had a sympathetic ear in me.

    Sorry, I don’t remember exactly what it was she said, but it was contrary to this administration’s desire to push their form of health reform.

    It seems that everywhere I go, people are talking about it and my internal polling is telling me that the majority is totally “ticked off” over this administration.

    You know…I think the plebs (admittedly, I was one) are normally okay with some type of change, provided it is small. They don’t tend to really see a small bit of sand being eroded from the beach as a truly negative thing. When they see a hurricane come in and erode the entire beach though, that’s a different thing…that is too much of a change that they can physically see with their eyes.

    Generally speaking, the American population is not a stupid population, they are just kind of lazy and will “suck it up” for “small” change, but will fight with their teeth bared on substantial change.

    I am very encouraged by seeing some of our younger voters starting to get the picture…This “x” generation has had everything handed to them — they really haven’t had to work for anything as kids… As they are entering the workforce (particularly in this economy), they are starting to see that NOTHING is free; that if it is advertised as free, then there are always some form of bonds associated with it.

    An example of this is my daughter’s best friend. He was raised in the “system” — his mother accepted all kinds of public assistance. He loves his mother, but I think that he really doesn’t have a great deal of respect for her as she would rather lay around drinking and smoking — begging for his hard-earned money. He has doubts about his sisters as they seem to be following down that same track. He is usually here at my house every weekend to escape that lifestyle as much as possible. He and I have wonderful conversations about his responsibility to himself and how he can be successful.

    I wish all of you a wonderful day and I’m glad to hear that Mrs. Weapon is doing well!

    Best Regards,
    RS

  5. *Warning #100*
    If this doesn’t wake you up, you’re already dead (economically)

    Central Banks Must Agree Global Clearing Supervision, BIS Says
    http://www.bis.org/publ/qtrpdf/r_qt0909f.pdf

    The Bank for International Settlements is the clearing house of opinion of the world’s central banks. It is located in Switzerland.

    So powerful is this organization that it served as the clearing house for central banks during World War II. This organization was above the law and above the war, and both sides knew this.

    The BIS has released a report saying that it should coordinate the response of central banks in settling derivative contracts, now totaling over a quadrillion dollars in value.

    Some of these contracts are large enough that it could create a domino effect so large that no central bank could handle it.

    It said that central banks must coordinate the response, but the BIS has always been the institutional means of this coordination.

    The article said this market is $592 billion. These are 2008’s figures. The estimate today is probably double this. No one really knows.

    “The crisis has exposed the need for international coordination of the oversight of systemically important” clearinghouses, BIS analysts Stephen Cecchetti, Jacob Gyntelberg and Marc Hollanders wrote in a report published late yesterday. An important and unresolved question is whether clearinghouses “should have access to central bank credit facilities and, if so, when,” they wrote.

    Clearinghouses are not sufficient to ensure the “resilience and efficiency of derivatives markets,” according to the report. There needs to more use of automated trading, a central database for trades, enhanced risk management and greater disclosure requirements on traders, according to the report.

    In short, no one knows what to do. The world is flying blind.

    Here is Jim Sinclair’s assessment:
    Unless financial contracts have standards there is no way to clear them.

    Unless financial instruments have accurate means of daily valuation, there is no way to clear them.

    Derivatives outstanding from 1991 to 2008 have no standards. OTC derivatives outstanding from 1991 to 2008 have no sound means of true valuation in any time frame, certainly not from day to day.

    The world’s economic recovery is fragile, assuming it has even begun.

    The threat from China to default of derivative contracts is just the sort of event that could begin the collapse of the dominoes.

    Nobel-winner Joseph Stiglitz, a Keynesian, says that the U.S. banking system is less safe today than in 2007.

    “In the U.S. and many other countries, the too-big-to-fail banks have become even bigger,” Stiglitz said in an interview yesterday in Paris. “The problems are worse than they were in 2007 before the crisis.”

    There are no formal sanctions that can be imposed by any international agency on a large government that defaults.

    The government is more powerful than the sanctions.

    This is a house of cards that could fall at any time.

    There is only one viable response: inflation.

  6. The ghost fleet of the recession

    Never before photographed, it is bigger than the U.S. and British navies combined but has no crew, no cargo and no destination

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1212013/Revealed-The-ghost-fleet-recession.html#ixzz0RAprBsNz

  7. You know, I’m just an ordinary everyday citizen. I am not rich. I’m not even comfortable. I live, like most, from paycheck to paycheck. When the world goes to hell. WHEN! not IF! I will have to depend on family and friends just like they will have to depend on me.

    But I am lucky. I have family and friends to help band together for the tough times. Plus, I am a survivor. That doesn’t mean I will 100% sure make it thru this, but I have a far better chance than any city folks. To put it simple, A Country Boy Can Survive.

    Right now I don’t see this Nation making it to 2012 for the next election. I hope I am wrong, but don’t think that I am. And I can hear some right on this site right now! You’re being a Conspiracy Freak! or You’re being too pessimistic. Weeellll. Maybe. I hope I am. I really do.

    But what are YOU going to do if me, BF, JAC, LOI, and some others here are not wrong. The Country cannot continue to live on borrowed money and time. Our Government, Hell, never mind the President, OUR WHOLE GOVERNMENT cannot continue to already be in hock up to their necks and continue to borrow money for more pie-in-the-sky, social justice, or environmentally friendly eco-nutball projects! Where is all of this money coming from?? We are already a projected 1.8 TRILLION DOLLARS in debt. And UHC, C&T, and these other Social Programs such as Americorps, have not even passed yet.

    Think about that. $1.8 TRILLION DOLLARS. Those of us with a functioning brain see that and almost go into a sheer panic. I mean, some of that is mine! Admittedly a very, very, tiny smidgen. But still. I didn’t ask some Government a-holes to go out and spend the Nation’s money on bulldookey most of us don’t even want. And we for damn sure didn’t want them to BORROW it!!!

    The CBO esitmated that our deficit over the next 10 years will be up to 9 Trillion dollars. And that’s before UHC and Cap & Trade. WE CANNOT SUSTAIN THIS DEBT LOAD. WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PAY IT BACK. NEITHER WILL YOUR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN.

    • And that’s assuming that any one Nation or entity would be stupid enough to let us that deep in their pockets to begin with.

      So let’s forget about Democrat, Republican, or even Libertarian and Independent. We have to come together as one and tell these elected idiots that we don’t want this. AS ONE! Then MAYBE, they might try listening.

    • Hopefully we can vote these bastards out and MAYBE get some saner heads in to stop this. It is up to us. Even you that are non voters, have no current answer to the reality of this. For now, it is the vote and who the system throws at us. I will not give up. We may have to start over at the lower levels but if that is what we do, then we do it. And, until someone comes up with a better solution, in the reality of things, voting is the only way right now. And those that don;t vote….even if for the lesser of evils…well, while it is your right to not vote in protest, I question your validity in complaining. Why? Because you can help stop the bleeding.

      D13

      • D13
        I too hope that most of the career politicians get voted out. If it does not happen, then my faith in this country will be damaged. I cannot for the life of me understand why so many seem to think that the government is the answer.

        That said, I feel like the sleeping giant has been awakened. We have President Obama to thank for that. That is the only positive, so far, that I have seen out of him…except for maybe calling Kayne West a jackass!

        • Vote out – to be filled by whom? Another politician?

          Same In as Out….

          • BF, I typically refrain from responding to your posts concerning this topic, but feel this time I cannot pass.

            I understand where you are coming from and do not totally disagree, but being realistic, I cannot see that your views can be realized. Not without a cataclysmic fall of the government. When that happens, I’ll stop voting. Until then, I intend to put in my 2 cents worth no matter what its actual worth is.

            I see that the government is corrupt and that it is growing worse with every passing year, but cannot stand idly by and let the greatest nation ever conceived fall. My contributions will be as flea crap in the Sahara, but it will be my contribution none the less. I know you will take my words and attempt to turn them with your logic, but it will not sway my feelings.

      • Even you that are non voters…

        Sure I do.

        It’s called “Do Not Vote”

        I repeat (1,000 x over), D13

        There are no solutions in Washington – stop looking there.

        Everything that happens there is destructive – the only vote would be for someone who says “End of Government” and that person cannot exist within the federal system!

        What better solution are you asking for?

        The economy is going to tank – this isn’t a mere guess – it is a guarantee.

        It must tank – there is no other answer other than destruction of the Western Culture.

        Anything – and I do mean anything government does will only make the ‘tanking’ far worse then it will be.

        So All STOP is the only answer…

        …but that is impossible within the current system.

        So what do you want? Miracle Max with a magic pill?

        • You know, BF… I GET IT. I know your stance. I know it well.

          You say: So what do you want? Miracle Max with a magic pill?

          D13 says: There is no such thing. I am not a fatalist as you are. What do I want?

          Very simple….you do not have the answer and “all stop” is not an answer, it is a cop out. I want people to get out and vote these bastards out. EVEN IF IT IS THE LESSER OF THE EVILS….then if that does not work, vote them out again and again, if necessary. Get involved in the process and change the damn thing. If if it starts at the JP level, then that is where we start. It will not take a Civil War, or class warfare, it takes the normal person, who has a family and who lives the dream to understand that our politicians are power mongers and do not have our interest at heart. Our politicians, for the most part, are in it for a job and they do not have country at heart. COUNTRY. Us. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Not special interests, not class envy, and not racial division….but us. We do have the power and while you are right, big government is currently in control and may remain so, I still believe in the system and the best way to bring it down is within the system and it can be done. It can and must.

          For to go your route, “all stop” until it crashes…barricade yourself into your cocoon will not result in the utopia you wish….the reality of it is a larger more destructive system than we have now will take over…but you, sir, will die because your freedoms will be even more eroded or eliminated, for you will be on the death list of who takes over. Philosophers, teachers….any one with a brain capable of thinking will be eliminated and not revered. They will be feared.

          I have taken the time to read your posts from the beginning….at least the ones that I can access through here. It took me forever as you are quite eloquent and philosophical. You have only one premise that I can see…. Look out for number one and let the government fail and the people die and start over. Your ideas of freedom are well founded and thought out. I can agree with your ideas of freedom and have for the most part. But your analogy of a non vote as a vote does not wash with me. But you know that already. I understand completely your principle of core values and your definition thereof. I understand you completely…even if you do not want me to. I recognize your intelligence and you are well read. Well, sir, I am equally intelligent and well read but I am not a doom sayer. I still believe that we can fix this ship and I have gotten off my ass and I am doing something about it. It may amount to a flea bite on an elephants butt but I am doing something about it other than preaching doom and gloom. I may get swatted and even eliminated but if enough fleas bite, the elephant leaves. The only pesticide that will get rid of the fleas is to make them quit biting. Big government is not the pesticide……WE ARE..and we can do it.

          Now, I am sure that I will run Ray out to do his yard and you will sigh and get philosophical and some of the others will deride my findings in my poll and say that I am beating my head against the wall…etc.etc….and that is ok. It will not shut me up and quoting philosophers will not solve the problem. It will still take the doers. Those that are willing to roll up their sleeves and do something other than criticize, cajole, and belittle the thinking of others.

          This may sound contrite to some of you….but I Love my country, I love my flag, I love its people…I will not give up on it. We may have hit the iceberg and we are taking on water but we are not down yet. The Titanic may have been doomed but we are not on the Titanic. We are stronger and more resilient and we can patch this ship up, keep it afloat, and find a new captain and crew.

          D13

          • Amen, D13!

          • D13, good post and I am right there along with you. I too, understand the idea of ignoring government, not voting, giving it attention gives it energy, etc. I do think this would work on a small basis; ie, my dog wants to play, I’m busy, I ignore him, he goes and lays down. It works! But when you try to do it on the scale of the large federal government we have today, you will end up with what we have! It is because of apathy and ignoring that we’ve allowed government to become this big.

            I believe we have to work with what is here, minimize as much damage as possible immediately and then work to fix what we’ve let happen. Minimizing federal government, returning power to the people. (Enter VDLG) Will this be easy or quick? No, it won’t and there will be pain and suffering, but to say, prepare for disaster, let it happen and then try to restart, doesn’t seem to make sense.

          • D13

            My dear Colonel: “Our politicians, for the most part, are in it for a job and they do not have country at heart. COUNTRY. Us. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Not special interests, not class envy, and not racial division….but us.”

            This is where most of us are wrong in our assumptions, in my opinion. Most of our Pro. Politicians are doing what they think is “right for our country”. Their perception is based on the fact thae WE keep asking for more cookies.

            They provide “cookies” and we send them back for “more cookies”.

            Until WE understand what is good for the country there is little chance our elected “representative” will understand.

            Now where is that bag of cookies? Oatmeal raisin and Dr. Pepper, works for me.

            In the end we will need 75% of the states on the same page. In the meantime we need to cover our backsides locally, as the tidal wave will come regardless. Therefore, as I see it there is no harm at all in voting local and voting state as long as WE ONLY vote for those who get it and will stand to defend it.

            You can vote federal but it will make little difference for now. In fact I would simply look for contrarians at the federal for now. GRIDLOCK at the federal level is a good thing.

            As the states go, eventually the Fed will follow. If we can not destroy the death grip of the two parties then by changing the electeds we will effectively change the party or parties over time. A party will not continue to stand against its own members who get elected and re-elected.

            We come back again to a key question asked months ago by our host. Do we work within the existing parties (Dem & Repub), do we switch to Libertarian, do we form a NEW PARTY, or do we organize an independent effort based on principles (similar to GOOOH)?

            I would like to hear you thoughts on this. Mine have changed a couple of times since we all started this adventure.

            Best Wishes to You and Yours
            JAC

            • Hiya JAC…..very interesting post. I like it. Thank you for not castigating my thoughts. I quite agree about the local and State levels and I quite agree that the Fed MAY eventually follow. I also feel the same about representatives. That is why I am also all about organizing a grass roots effort to find people that will run for the lower offices and move up and we have been successful in finding and convincing a couple of businessmen with country at heart to run for the Senate when Kay Hutchinson resigns.

              Now…what do we do about Potomac Fever. We have to find candidates that are immune….therein lies another problem but it is fixable.

              I also agree that stagnating Washington is a good tactic as well. I also do not want the opposite….extreme right. I want statesmen that do not want European models, I want Statesmen that would set guidelines on national issues and use diplomacy first. I want Statesmen that would rather not fire a gun but are not afraid of the guns. I want Statesmen that do not apologize to the world. I want Statesmen that are more interested in the American people. I want Statesmen that lead and not polarize the nation. I want Statesmen that are not envious of class and that are racially tolerant. I want Statesmen that protect our borders and follow our laws. I want Statesmen that are not in bed with special interests and labor unions.

              THAT is my Utopia. Statesmen that are immune to Potomac Fever. I believe they are out there. We need to recruit and that is what I am attempting to do.

              • In order to cure the fever we must cut out the infection.

                I for one do not want LEADERS. I think that is part of how we got here. We have been brain washed into thinking we need some “educated elite” or “charismatic leadership”. We do not.

                We need smart people, but they can be the simplest of men and women with no real personality. I don’t need them to convince me I need them to vote the way I want them to vote, for freedom.

                We need leadership in this respect. We need people who will stand up and help educate, help develop options to support Liberty and who will help show our fellow Citizens how it might work and how it could help them realize a brighter future. These “leaders” will not be the ones we want in elected positions.

                I also offer this suggestion. Do not elect locally for the purpose of “moving up” through the food chain. The power of gov to corrupt is absolute. Elect them to serve and step aside for the next. They can re-join the battle from outside elected office once done with their sentence, er I mean term.

                I have known true statesmen of which you speak. They were not immune to the FEVER. One of them taught my Political Science class on Federal Govt in college. A real eye opener that class was.

              • Oh, I almost forgot.

                The first step is to determine what IT is.

                Meta values my dear colonel, meta values.

                Mine: Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for All.

                How about you?

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            Hey D13 – great ideas come while cutting grass, picking up dog turds and whacking weeds – they come – they really do! 🙂

            Understand simply that I do not believe in big and bloated government – it must be effective, it must be efficient and it must economical. So much of what I see nowadays fails that litmus test in one or more ways. For all the bombast, for all the noise, for all the arguing and fighting and demonstrating – I just want someone to, in plain English, explain how we are going to pay for “all of this” – not just now, but in the future.

            • Yes, I know they do, my friend. I have method to my madness. Look at it this way…If I am successful in getting your yard clean, the Mrs. happy with that effort, good ideas from you, perhaps an in house project or two that really makes the Mrs. happy….then I am successful…right?

              And I quite agree with you on your post. I know that our gov’t is bloated and non functioning and the litmus test does not pass muster from my end either. It is going to be very interesting as the time of 2010 gets closer. I want to know the future as well for my children and grand children are going to pay the freight. I only hope their inheritance from me, will help them do so. In the meantime, I will do what I can to change things….with out guns. (but they are within easy reach and clean and loaded).

              How are yo my friend…hope you are well. 🙂

              • Ray Hawkins says:

                Thanks D13 – am quite quiet for now and in near future on this board – my ‘day in the life’ is consumed by family, work, schoolwork and other matters more so than before – but I promise to check in from time to time and lurk.

            • Ray

              Here is your answer.

              There is no way ‘we’ are able to pay for all of this.

              Next question?

          • Some of you may know I ran for president this past election cycle. Before my campaign I believed like a lot of you that just maybe by electing the “right person” things could be fixed. I no longer believe that and am now firmly in the “Don’t vote; it only encorages them” camp.

            What I found out made me absolutely, positively certain that there can NEVER be a good person running for president who will make it onto the ballots. It is completely impossible due to the way the system is set up. For someone to make it onto the national ballots, s/he must condone all the things that make the government what it already is. A person like this will not bring the change you and I want. It just can’t happen.

            Lest you think my attitude is due to “sour grapes”, I assure you that I would have been happy to see Ron Paul elected rather than me, even though I disagree with him on a LOT of issues. Yet, even someone like him is systematically excluded from having a real chance.

            So, if I am right (and I am)… what is the alternative?

            • Keep trying…that is what I will do…keep trying.

              • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

                What Kent is saying is that the system is rigged against you, you CANNOT SELECT the type of person that would make any sort of meaningful change, because SUCH A PERSON IS NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE IT ONTO THE BALLOT (regardless of how you vote).

              • Yes, I know he is saying that….we HAVE to get them there. Any system can be “unrigged”. Just got to figure it out. I have just started since my military commitment is over…I am just getting rollin’…

              • I get that too Peter. But I look at it this way: Progressives in this country have found a way to get a man elected to the Presidency that is radical in his wishes for the American system. A man is in the Presidency that wants to fundamentally change America. And I bet 30 years ago, people were saying the system is set up in a way that no one like Obama could ever win the Presidency. 50 years ago they certainly felt it was rigged in a way that would prohibit a black man from winning the position.

                They were wrong. And if this guy can be elected with this agenda, then damnit we can find a way to get someone elected that will do good for the country as well.

                USW

              • What some people apparently don’t get is that Obama is EXACTLY the kind of “man” the system will select for. His race is not the issue, his socialism and hunger for power is. His willingness to behave in amoral ways to increase his power, and pay back his political debts is a logical result of how the system is set up to run. It will continue to get worse as each increasingly evil president paves the way for the next to be even worse and have even more power. The realization has actually made me optimistic and given me hope. I now know what not to waste my time on.

              • Exactly D-13! Paddling up stream is always a difficult task and why so many go with the flow. Back in my heavy training days I had many come over to where I was doing my sets and tell me they didn’t want to get as big as good old Alan F. My response to them always was “Not to worry, you don’t have the dedication.” When has doing nothing at all NOT been easy? I don’t know and won’t bother to look it up. Yup, that was easy.

              • Sometimes the river is flowing so quickly that it is physically impossible to paddle upstream without continuing to get swept further downstream. In such a scenario, the appropriate action to take is to pull over to the shore, get out of the river, and hike back upstream on foot.

  8. USW,

    My prayers to Mrs. Weapon for a speedy recovery. Glad you liked the emperor analogy, I had fun with it.

    I have spoken with two general practitioners, a chiropractor and optometrist, and they all oppose what is being presented as health reform. I see a large segment that is still uninformed and indifferent, but it is shrinking. Obama was successful in awakening the masses, and now many of them are becoming aware of what is going on, and how it will impact them.

    The media is in damage control mode, trying to salvage Obama and Pelosi’s agenda, but too much is getting out. Its not surprising NBC’s poll shows support for Obama, but I think they have overplayed their hand. Their bias has become so blatant, they will loose all their viewers before long. On Beck last night, he showed the media coverage on the ACORN scandal. From memory,

    # of stories
    Fox 127
    CNN 90
    ABC 2
    NBC 1
    CBS ?

    Their non-coverage of the Tea Party march, Van Jones and ACORN is going to be their downfall, and hopefully take Obama and Pelosi with them.

    • Just checked, NY Times, ABC, CBS have nothing on ACORN, MSNBC has one story.

      Senate votes to deny funds to ACORN
      Community agency is under fire in several voter-registration fraud cases

    • LOI,
      So these are the complete numbers:

      Fox 127
      CNN 90
      ABC 2
      NBC 1
      MSNBC 1
      CBS 0
      NY Times 0

      Based on these numbers, I would say it’s Fox and CNN that are biased against Obama & Acorn.

      You have
      * 5 news agencies doing a total of 4 stories
      * 2 news agencies doing 217 stories

      Which of those two groups are more out of line?

      Where you find the bias depends on what you consider to be the non-biased “base-line”.

      If you consider Fox News to always be “Fair & Balanced”, then the rest of the MSM probably looks bias.

      Just another way to look at the numbers…. 😉

      • Todd,

        ACORN has been investigated in 13? states for voter registration fraud. Now they have been caught advising someone on tax evasion and fraud, assisting in child prostitution, and 40% of their budget
        comes from our tax dollars to the tune of over 50 million dollars.

        I do not consider FOX to always be “Fair and Balanced”. I do find it interesting that they report stories the others ignore. Was Van Jones newsworthy? Were any of the Tea Parties? Why does a UK story say there were 2 million in DC and the Times says tens of thousands?

        Why did the NY Times drop an ACORN story on election eve, when they had been running them up to that point. A reliable source suddenly was no longer reliable.

        If you are happy being deceived by non-reporting of news that does affect you, go back to your Kool-Aid and a pleasant evening to you.
        If you want the truth, no matter what, keep coming here and ask questions. And I do know a little about MSM bias.

        The Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918 by Progressive President Woodrow Wilson had a dramatic effect on the media. A 1941 book by James Mock, Censorship in 1917, noted most newspapers “showed no antipathy toward the act” and “far from opposing the measure, the leading papers seemed to actually lead the movement on behalf of its speedy enactment”. In the book The Great Influenza, by John M. Barry, it is claimed that the reason that there is so little information available about the 1918 influenza pandemic is newspapers felt reporting the event might harm morale of civilians and troops during the war. The media reported, “There is no need to worry, there is no epidemic”.

        https://standupforamerica.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/guest-commentary-life-of-illusion-weighs-in/

  9. Hey there USW. I surely hope that the MRS is doing well. Please give her my regards and wish for a speedy recovery.

    Two weeks ago, I mentioned a survey that I was taking. I received permission to interview at several places and have done so. I promised to have the results by this day, the 15th. Everything is completed and I am compiling today. As Ray noted, I am not a professional and I don’t care. This is just a sampling in the DFW area. I am concerned in MY area and what is going on. Others have to be concerned in their areas. But, I did a real quick calculation on your question and this is what I found. I had 18 people helping me canvass a pretty good sampling.

    There were three questions specifically asked that fits your criteria today:

    Did you vote for Obama or McCain?

    36 UAW Members at the Arlington GM plant: 21 voted Obama, 15 for McCain

    42 International Association of Machinists at the Lockheed plant: 27 voted for Obama, 15 for McCain

    18 School Teachers in the Fort Worth Independent School District: 4 voted for Obama, 14 for McCain

    28 Dallas Independent School District teachers: 6 voted for Obama, 22 voted McCain

    14 Arlington Independent School District teachers: 9 voted Obama, 5 McCain

    54 white collar types (clerks, grocery line, etc): 25 voted Obama, 29 McCain

    75 professional (lawyers, accountants, etc.): 24 voted Obama, 51 McCain

    There is a lot more to this but this is just a sampling. It is broken down even more. However, in this sampling, the following was noted: 116 voted for Obama and 181 for McCain. ( This fits as Texas was about 65% McCain ).

    The next question that was asked of the Obama voters: Given the facts as they currently stand, would you vote for Obama again? In this particular sampling, 72 would vote for him again, 44 would not vote for him again. Further broken down into racial class, in this small sampling, 34 African American, 32 Caucasian, 28 Hispanic, 22 Other ( Asian, American Indian, Etc)

    Of the 44 that would not vote for him again, 14 African Americans, 9 Caucasian, 16 Hispanics, 5 Others.

    So, this was a quick sampling of my survey. I had a much larger participation than previously thought and I had more volunteers than previously thought. Now, I recognize that this is as it currently stands. There are more questions that were asked and more people in the survey. HOWEVER, here is one very startling fact. We asked 22 professors from UTA in Arlington, 12 profs from SMU in Dallas, and 14 profs from TCU in Fort Worth, and 12 profs from the University of North Texas in Denton. Not a single one would participate in our survey or interview. NOT ONE. Admittedly, these were not the business types. Most of these profs were singled out in the Liberal Arts field or similar fields.

    Conclusion from this small sampling of our endeavor is that there seems to be major discontent among the Obama voters and the fact that they would not vote him in again…at least not right now. Almost everyone of them said the same thing some of us said about Bush in his second term. “This is not the man I thought that I was voting for”…and, one other interesting fact, this sampling was only 297 of 422 interviewed and they were all concerned about Congress and the spending. One other fact, 255 of the 297 of the above sampling did not want nationalized health care. They are happy with what they have.

    Incomplete as my results are, I think there is not only a ground swell of non voters that are pissed, but there seems to be a great amount of Obama voters that are pissed. One last interesting fact, it seems he (Obama) is losing support among African Americans and Hispanics more so than Caucasian. At least, in my sampling.

    Hope this helps some. Will have the full results by tonight.

    D13

    • I’m very surprised at the results from the teachers in the school districts. Is there a strong teacher union in Texas?

      • Yes…very strong but this is Texas…even our liberals are somewhat conservative.

      • I have recognized a flaw in the responses. There were four or five of the schools in Dallas that the principal issued edicts to the teachers not to engage in my poll. These schools were in predominately black and Hispanic neighborhoods. All of our interviews would have been conducted in the lunch hour so no time was lost but we were not welcomed at all. But we still felt we got some good samplings because we found schools where there still was racial diversity but heavily weighed on the minority side.

        • D13

          Did you show those professors and schools a list of the questions before they turned you down?

          Also, I would like to see the rest of the results whenever you get time to post them, I think the results are very interesting so far.

          • Good point….yes, I did show them to get permission from principals and administrators.

            Never thought of that….LOL…could be a reason.

    • Great info D13. Thanks so much for sharing it. I know that there are many who look for the flaws in your data. I am sure there are ways the polls could be more “scientific”, however I don’t think the data can be discounted so easily.

      USW

    • D-13 you are merely finding what we’ve known for a long time here. A third party like our NDP in Canada would shake up the Democratic party to its core and forever put elections out of their reach. They always vote party no matter the personage.

  10. D13,

    A most excellent job sir! It fits my perception on how the US votes. There is a liberal and a conservative base that will not be swayed, but there are more people in the middle who are open to change.

    As for your liberal professors, I did my first guest article that touched on that a bit on mothers day, so I am not surprised they rejected you.

    • Ahhh…thank you sir…i will have to go back and find that article…. It took me great while to read all of BF’s postings to learn more about him but I did…so I guess you are next..LOL.

      It was interesting. There was only one reason given from a prof at UNT…and it was that their, UNT’s, policy not to get involved. But that was an obvious cop out. I think it is related to the fact that the more liberal agenda has come under fire and the profs do not want to be on any record. But that is a guess.

      The business schools were willing, but we chose to not go that route. This is Texas, a pretty conservative state but fiercely independent, and the business schools tend to be conservative in teachings and philosophy so we felt we knew how the most part voted. I was particularly interested in middle and working class.

      But thank you for your kind comments.

  11. Roubini Sees US Economy Facing ‘Death by a Thousand Cuts’

    http://wallstreetpit.com/10333-roubini-sees-us-economy-facing-death-by-a-thousand-cuts

    • I was a little surprised he supported Bernake’s reappointment. Just goes to show that it is human nature to try and fix the hole in the boat first in hopes of saving it, rather than jumping out to swim to a better boat.

      Perhaps that is in fact the greatest challenge to success. The very nature of humans to focus in the immediate now when faced with crisis.

      By the way, we will have to disagree on the “intent” of those surrounding Bush and the tax cuts. I am more convinced they are the product of their education and culture. They may be truly ignorant to reality. The more I listen closely to even the conservatives I find they really don’t understand economics. They simply spew and spout rhetoric learned along the way.

      I also rely on Greenspan’s explanation of his attempt to get Bush to back off on the tax cuts for a year or two until the dot.com bubble burst was sorted out. According to him Bush and staff felt compelled to make good on a campaign promise. That was their overriding criteria. They didn’t want to even look at anything else. Pragmatism at its most extreme. Bush II didn’t want to come off like Dad, a broken promise.

      I think you need to get outside and get some cool fresh air. Too many hours of disaster response seem to have soured your mood. Although I must admit to feeling a little “testy” the past few days myself. Perhaps it is the “quickening” of fall that has gripped us.

      Hope all is well my dear pirate friend.
      JAC

      • I was a little surprised he supported Bernake’s reappointment.

        I was not. Bernake is perfect for Obama – he is a ‘feel good’ guy, who says nothing.

        There is no Volcker in the wings.

        Reagan picked him – and he forced the US into a recession. Everyone hated him and demanded his removal.

        Volcker was inarticulate and rude – but right. Reagan protected him. By the time reelection came around, the economy was on its feet and Reagan was a hero and everyone forgot about Volcker.

        Bernake is the opposite of Volcker – sweet talker, soother – supports the President in policy (vs. needing President support for an unpopular policy)

        The more I listen closely to even the conservatives I find they really don’t understand economics.

        The FED has 500 Phd Economists working for it – singing the same Keynesian tune. They believe economics is like physics – they do not understand people are not like rocks.

        Only the Austrians (and the Marxists, but for very different reasons) see economics as a matter of human action and decision.

        There is no one in government capable of teaching the government economics. They are all pretending to be physicists dealing with rocks.

        Perhaps it is the “quickening” of fall that has gripped us.

        There is great tension everywhere – it wasn’t the “Disaster Planning” that highlighted it at all – it was catching up on long-delayed reading.

        The Black Swan – the study of improbable events and their impact on society.

        I will expand later…

        Hope all is well my dear pirate friend.

        Oh yeah – safe, on dry land, supplies topped up, treasure secure… can’t do much else, except try to convince others to get into the lifeboats NOW before they fill up later….

        • BF

          “I was not. Bernake is perfect for Obama – he is a ‘feel good’ guy, who says nothing.”

          I meant Roubini. He chastized Bernake in the lead up then supported his reappointment. Did you listen to his entire interview?

          • Aahhh!

            Sorry – got Obama-brained.

            I do not know why Roubini supported the reappointment – probably because he didn’t want the job, and there is no Volcker in the wings?

            • He said he thought he did a good job of preventing another Great Depression. In short, your stupidity helped cause a potential disaster but now that you helped prevent a catastrophe I will give you a chance to work more of your magic.

              Go back and listen to his explanation.

              Thus my comment regarding human nature to lose track of the big picture in a crisis. The belief that stopping the catastrophe at hand is critical and somehow necessary to prevent the catasttophe coming later.

              The cauldron that brews Pragmatism perhaps? Even in those who know better.

              • When Bernake’s name is mentioned, I probably go into a warp-field for self-protection.

                “Great Depression” is exactly what the country needs – to correct the monetary expansion of the last 100 years.

                Thank God Bernake prevented that! It will only make the realignment 100x worse!

              • Yet the very man who should be able to recognize that suddenly panics and supports the short term bandage approach.

                I don’t have a warp-field for protection so my gut just starts aching at the thought of his next move.

              • These guys have always believed that they were smarter than the whole world.

                There are slow learners.

              • Some day…………

                They will be the first to walk the plank.

                The Central Bankers and their cronies will be right behind them.

                Arghh

            • question from another blog that screams “I need the Flag!”

              ‘Question for you guys. I own a business where I contract my services up to a year and half in advance sometimes. I’ve thought about adding a clause to my contract to protect myself in the event of a currency crisis. Any thoughts or ideas on what other companies might do in this situation?’

              http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2009/09/davos-on-edge-market-thread-9152009.html#jsid-1253038228-957

              • Csm:

                Perhaps require payment in gold. Use spot price for value in the contract.

                Or put is escalation of cash based on the gold price change from date of contract to the payment date.

                I once put in an inflation adjustment, linked to Consumer Price Index as posted quarterly.

                I would expect either or all of these options to be used by other companies if the currency starts to crash.

  12. Greatergoodcs says:

    The main stream media is no doubt still in love with Obama (or they’d take issue with his not getting us out of “the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time.” And that is not to mention the debacle he’s making out of Afghanistan (staying there for what purpose exactly)? They sure were after Dumbillya over both wars but seem content to ignore them now.

    The right is making a comeback thanks to the incompetence of the so-called left (liberal Democrats). It never ceases to amaze me how the left can screw themselves into the ground time after time but here they are doing it again.

    From where I stand both parties are useless with the Reps being a bit more criminal than the Dems (but not much more).

    The town hall nonsense is just that. Who cares? It’s a distraction is all. National health care (unfortunately) is a dead issue. The insurance companies won big time. The only reason you may have to put up with Bush III again in 2012 is the right has nobody out there to oppose him; and it is then when the town hallers will hurt the right more than you think. Those bringing mispelled signs to protest look so damn foolish (especially those espousing English {spelled Inglesh} as the mother tongue). Trust me, nobody in the Republican party is going to want to be seen at town hall meetings come 2012. That is the only chance the Dems have to hold on … extremists from the right scaring independents back the other way.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Well, the thing is, it totally does not matter who wins in 2012. It is so close to irrelevant that it may as well be irrelevant, and yet an alarming number of people seem to care who wins even though most of them are not sure why they care.

      • Greatergoodcs says:

        You’re right it won’t matter, that’s for sure.

        Things will have to get a lot worse before they can get better … and between Bush II and Bush III, there’s a good chance they’ll have gotten it done by 2012 … but something tells me this one will stretch to 2016.

    • GG….saw a talking piece on the MSM….it is now being recognized that NBC, ABC, New York Times…etc. is no longer main stream. They have been reduced to political hacks. I don’t think we have main stream any longer…it is conservative vs liberal…and, therein, lies the futility of it all.

  13. Good Morning Everybody:

    USW, I sincerely hope that Mrs. Weapon gets to feeling better soon and back on her feet. Take all the time necessary you need to help her, and don’t worry about things here. I think everybody here can handle it.

    I think the American people are finally waking from their deep coma they’ve been in for such a long time. We, they, are letting those in Washington know that we are not happy with them. If they think they can win again knowing how the majority feels about them, and how they are running this country, I truly hope that they will be in for a shock and a rude awakening.

    If we don’t agree with the way they are handling things, and with their policies, we are called racists. I am not a racists, couldn’t care less about color. It’s the person themselves, not the color of their skin, that I don’t agree with, it’s the policies. They can have blue skin, with 4 eyes as far as I’m concerned. I am not happy with the way things are turning out.

    They are trying to cram this health care policy down our throats without regard for anybody. I hear them say, that the majority of the American people want this. Where, show me, I’m not one of them, and I’m sure that the majority of people in the health care business will say the same thing.

    Too bad, that, that Joe Wilson had to apologize for saying what he did. I wonder if he really meant it. He spoke the truth, and for that he gets reprimanded from the senate. But, it didn’t matter what they said about Bush though. He was called a liar everyday, yet, you didn’t hear diddly squat about it.

    Here in Nevada, we trying very hard to get Reid ousted from the senate, and I hope that in the next election, we finally succeed. We are not happy campers with him, for he hasn’t done one thing here for us Nevadans. He has done nothing, but kiss Obama’s feet since being elected. Talk about a yes man.

    Hope all is having a god day.

    Judy

  14. I do believe that the number of folks who are UNHAPPY is the majority.

    But that is the wrong question. When you ask why, you will find the number of unhappy is divided by those opposed to the Progressive agenda and those who feel the Pres. and Congress have betrayed the Progressive agenda.

    Of those opposed to the agenda (most of those in D.C. this weekend are probably in this group) you will then find a large number who are willing to accept some types of reforms or more government “action”.

    The number who understand the real problems and know who to look for as their future “elected reps” is a definite minority.

    As evidence I give you the Republican Party which is putting forth their “reasonable solutions to health care” in order to prove they are “bipartisan”.

    • Actually, I was pleasantly surprised to hear a Rep. Congressman talk about ineffeciencies with the current healthcare system, fraud and waste within medicare/medicaid, tort reform and insurance availability across state lines as starting places to reform.

      I think the townhalls and the common sense brought forth in these events have caused some to realize there are options besides government mandates.

      • Kathy

        I agree to a point. Did you notice it was the federal elected Republicans talking about the need for “congressional action” to assure “insurance availability across state lines”?

        This single issue is under control of the States. If WE the PEOPLE want this fixed all we have to do is tell our State legislators to FIX IT PRONTO.

        But guess what we got in my state where the left and right are evenly divided? Not increased competition or more options in providers. They passed yet another “mandated coverage” on those companies doing business within the state.

        This brings up the other big issue. Dropping coverage for pre-existing conditions or failure to promptly pay benefits. These are also regulated by the States.

        So any Republican pushing for Federal action to fix these problems is part of the PROBLEM and we should let them know that.

        I do agree that there is some awakening. But I think it is in the very first stages. First comes awareness that something is wrong. That is where I think citizens are right now. That is the source of anger and frustration expressed.

        Next comes education, identification of the real problem and development of options. We will be there when folks speaking out are using clear examples and proposals that are very similar. They will no longer show anger but determination and resolve in their speech. That is when the POLITICOS had better run for the hills.

        Right now the citizens are vulnerable to the silver toungue devils of the political world. That is what happens when they are angry but not focused on the real issue. Now is the critical time for those who speak the truth to step up their game and reach out to the citizens. When we see the devils talking we need to attack and expose them, regardless of which party they are.

        I do hope you are doing well today.
        Enjoyed your comments to D13.

        JAC

        • That’s exactly what Mr. Connelly said. That a lot of the Health Care things that the Feds were trying to enact were actually the STATES job to fix. The Feds should not be involved at all, and were trampling on the 10th Amendment to do so.

  15. terry

    BF, I typically refrain from responding to your posts concerning this topic, but feel this time I cannot pass.

    I understand where you are coming from and do not totally disagree, but being realistic, I cannot see that your views can be realized. Not without a cataclysmic fall of the government. When that happens, I’ll stop voting. Until then, I intend to put in my 2 cents worth no matter what its actual worth is.

    I see that the government is corrupt and that it is growing worse with every passing year, but cannot stand idly by and let the greatest nation ever conceived fall. My contributions will be as flea crap in the Sahara, but it will be my contribution none the less. I know you will take my words and attempt to turn them with your logic, but it will not sway my feelings.

    If I am battling your feelings, you are lost. I hope to battle your reason – it is the only way out from doom.

    If voting was merely pointless, then adding your near-futile contribution to it would not matter.

    The point, sir, is that by your vote – you are insuring the ultimate collapse of the nation – you are not saving it, but speeding up its destruction.

    The ship is sinking, and you are content of firing machine gun bullets into the remainder of the hull – believing that at least the ship will go down ‘level keel’ – when if you stopped shooting – repairs may be made in time.

    By the time the government falls – your vote will then become pointless – the ship will have sunk.

    By providing Energy to the forces of government, you guarantee the near-fatal collapse of the Nation. Only by the complete show of illegitimacy might cause the government stop.

    But, for sure, by voting and energizing the government – the government will not stop until the nation is completely consumed.

    D13

    Very simple….you do not have the answer and “all stop” is not an answer, it is a cop out. I want people to get out and vote these bastards out. EVEN IF IT IS THE LESSER OF THE EVILS….then if that does not work, vote them out again and again, if necessary.

    You do not get it.

    You ARE on the Titanic, and its going down.

    Change the Captain and the crew all you want – it’s going down.

    While you waste your time and your energy trying to get your Captain elected in place of the current one – you are missing the life boats.

    But until you stop debating about which Captain is best aboard to take ‘her down’ – you will miss the opportunity to save the passengers.

    That is why you do not get it.

    You believe someone in DC will save the nation. No one in DC can save the Nation – it is impossible

    We do have the power and while you are right, big government is currently in control and may remain so, I still believe in the system and the best way to bring it down is within the system and it can
    be done. It can and must.

    Nothing is more pitiful and sad is a man committed to futility.

    For to go your route, “all stop” until it crashes…barricade yourself into your cocoon will not result in the utopia you wish….the reality of it is a larger more destructive system than we have now will take over…but you, sir, will die because your freedoms will be even more eroded or eliminated, for you will be on the death list of who takes over. Philosophers, teachers….any one with a brain capable of thinking will be eliminated and not revered. They will be feared.

    It will be that case if people such as yourself continue to engage government – it will cause murderous revolution, because you will still believe someone in government – this time with guns – can fix the problem

    Analogy continued – the constant focus on the Captain and crew will convince you that forcing the passengers to start bailing will save the ship. It won’t, but it will guarantee even fewer will reach the life boats.

    It will still take the doers.

    There are many people more dangerous than those that doing ‘nothing’ – it is those that are doing the wrong thing, with earnest.

    • Thanks BF…but I do really understand it and get it. You and I come from different philosophies, do we not? Who is right? Who is wrong?….we shall see. You feel you are on the correct pathway, I do not. I feel that I am on the correct pathway, you do not. Life really is that simple but the reality of life is dangerous.

      Run to your life boat.

      I will stay with the ship and try to save it. I may have to grab a life preserver later but I would have tried at the very least and that is the make up that I am.

      I am glad that my family has two large ranches. We can at least be self sufficient and will be if necessary, but I will fight on and try to preserve what I believe to be the best in the world…flawed as we may be. I will fight on and try to restore what the forefathers really wanted.

      And you are wrong about one thing, BF. I do not want guns to run the world nor be the ruler of the world. I have seen guns…from both sides. Unfortunately, I have used guns…and I have had to use them against fellow man and I survived and I live with it…nightly. There is only one thing worse than looking into a man’s eye and ending a life…and that is complacency. Complacency will kill more than the guns ever could and worse…it will kill a spirit. No one knows more than I, what that leads to but I am not afraid of this government and its guns and I will continue to stand up to it until I win or I am dead. I feel that I know what is deep in the heart of the people and this absolutely flawed government knows that as well. I am not afraid of big government and it can be changed.

      • Flag,

        As you know, I stand with Esom, D13 & company on this, except I see this as my thoughts, not feelings on the matter. For us to not vote would not change anything, since Pelosi, Franks and Reed are sure to continue voting for themselves, so nothing in DC changes.

        And while I regard you as being very intelligent, I have been around very smart people most of my life, and found that even they are not always right. I kinda wonder how much of this comes from your natural craving to argue?

      • My friend, Black Flag, I suppose what concerns me the most is the apparent glee you seem to anticipate in watching “the ship sink.”

        I know you may disagree, but the Titanic was an inanimate steel vessel . . . this country, and even its dreaded government, is comprised of flesh and blood, not floating steel.

        And that’s where I pray that your analogy breaks down.

        Perhaps you are correct; it may be too late for this nation as we know it, but retreating and waiting seems too much like the fall-out shelters people built in their back yards when I was a child.

        I would rather die out on the open field than live on in the wasteland cooped up in my “safe” shelter.

        You know from past posts that I am not unltimately trusting in government to secure my future; all of this is temporarry and in no way compares with what follows.

        But I am part of the land where I find myself living; and as a steward of the future for my children and grandchildren, I would rather join in using what exists to try to effect change than to simply add another room for them on my fall-out shelter.

        Where there is life and breath, there is hope.

        And where there is hope, there is potential.

        And, my friend, I pray that, just like the obsolete fall-out shelters that neighbors built back in my childhood, predictions of doom for our nation come to be realized as premature.

        May God bless America . . . again.

    • BF, what does it hurt to vote. If, as you state, it does no good to vote, it most certainly doesn’t hurt either. I believe as you. That the collapse is coming and sooner rather than later. But obviously UNLIKE you, I don’t want the fools in there now to still be there when it does. And I also want the Cojones’ of the ones most responsible for the destruction of my Country. I want the incompetents gone and the power mad fools castrated.

      I guess you could say, I am not as non-violent as you are. When it comes to the Nation, I am prepared to become very violent against those who would cause it destruction. ESPECIALLY as it is from the inside.

    • Thanks for your input BF, but I simply cannot sit idly by and do nothing. I understand where you are coming from, and believe that I can prepare for the worst, and still participate in possibly avoiding disaster. I know you say it is impossible to avoid, but when someone tells me that something is impossible, it strengthens my resolve…especially if I see that it is not impossible. Will it take a perfect alignment of the stars…maybe, but try I must.

      • Again, Terry, it is not doing nothing.

        It is not doing something pointless and futile.

        Listen to JAC

        Here is a man, much like you, who – given the impossible, bound up his resolve and proofed himself to the world.


        Franz Reichelt “The Flying Tailor”.

        • Again, Terry, it is not doing nothing.

          It is not doing something pointless and futile.

          Listen to JAC

          (There should be a break here – the FOLLOWING man is NOT JAC in any way !!)

          Here is a man, much like you, who – given the impossible, bound up his resolve and proved himself to the world.


          Franz Reichelt “The Flying Tailor”.

  16. United We Stand, Divided We Fall. Will we ever be a ” United Nation”? Or, were we ever?

    • I would say the last time we were a united nation was September 12, 2001.

      • I agree and I think the reason is that americans stopped fighting each other for their wants and united to fight for their needs for however a short period of time.

        • Yes, of course, how true both of you are. And it’s too bad that it was for a short period. It does seem, that the only time there is unitedness, if that is a word, is when disaster hits.

    • Hi Judy,

      Pat Buchannon had an essay on Human Events last week. He covered it nicely. I don’t usually like his views because of his anti-Semitism, but I think he nailed it this time.

  17. This was a blog response from an article on FoxNews that I found true and very interesting as well.

    BETTER READ THIS, EVERYBODY. From Michael Connelly – Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor, Carrollton , Texas Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional.

    What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected. To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

    The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled. However, as scary as all of that it, it just scratches the surface.

    In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

    The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with.

    I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care. This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital.

    All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

    If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed “acceptable” to the “Health Choices Administrator” appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the “due process of law.

    So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn’t stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;” The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

    I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to “be bound by oath or affirmation” to support the Constitution.

    If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable. For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
    And another to the Bill of Rights: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

    There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us. Michael Connelly Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor Carrollton , Texas

    Isn’t that interesting? Goes right along with my understanding of the Bill also. Funny how many of the Congressmen whom a lot of are lawyers don’t see this, and ordinary people like me can.

    • And when the Clean Water Act reauthorization is completed, as planned by the left, the States will no longer have any say in the management of their watersheds. The fed’s will dictate and control all things affecting waterways, including intermittent stream channels and all wetlands, regardless of where they drain.

      • I saw on some program where collecting rain water was illegal because of some government law selling water ‘rights’.

        Utterly bizarre.

        • Please tell me you are kidding.

          • Sorry, friend – its the truth.

            A woman was arrested, charged and fined for collecting rainwater on her property – because the water had been ‘sold’ by the State to another interest….

            I’ll find an example.

      • We in GA have already had an experience with the Feds concerning our water rights. We Lost. (of course) We should have just told them to go to hell.

  18. Kathy

    It is because of apathy and ignoring that we’ve allowed government to become this big.

    Absolutely false. If it was apathy, then no one would be involved.

    But last I looked, nearly 100 million Americans voted last election.

    That is not apathy!

    I believe we have to work with what is here, minimize as much damage as possible immediately and then work to fix what we’ve let happen.

    Work with what? Who within the system who can change the system wants to change the system? (Answer: No one – zero)

    Minimize damage? How? Stop government!
    How are you going to do that? Vote for more government??

    Minimizing federal government

    You do not understand the implications of those three words.

    What are you going to cut? Social Services? And toss tens of millions of seniors into the street?
    Medicare/Medicaid? Welfare?

    The Military-Industrial-Complex? Going to withdraw the troops from all over the world and creating a vacuum for Russian/Sino (and others) to fill?

    Going to let the banking system fail, taking everyone’s money with it? Their homes? Their retirement savings?

    What are you going to cut? How are you going to handle the revolt of the people affected by such cuts?

    power to the people.

    It is because the “People” have the power is the very reason the problem exists.
    “Thou shalt not steal, expect by majority vote”

    (Enter VDLG) Will this be easy or quick? No, it won’t and there will be pain and suffering, but to say, prepare for disaster, let it happen and then try to restart, doesn’t seem to make sense

    Unless the People turn their back from government – disaster will come – and wipe out the nation.

    Until all components of the government stop – all that will happen is violent revolution; with the consequences too horrific to comtemplate.

  19. If even III% finally snap, they will regret ignoring the 30%+ that they say is not a significant number.

  20. Richmond Spitfire says:

    Hi all,

    As a Brownie leader, I received this in an email today…

    Girl Scouts preparedness patch unveiled…
    Published: Sept. 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM

    The new Girl Scouts patch developed to help Scouts and their families prepare for emergencies was introduced Tuesday to the public.

    “This new preparedness patch will increase citizen preparedness and enhance our country’s readiness for disasters,” Homeland Security Department Secretary Janet Napolitano said when Girl Scouts of the USA Chief Executive Officer Kathy Cloninger unveiled the badge in Laurel, Md., as part of President Barack Obama’s My Education, My Future initiative.

    The preparedness patch program, developed by the Girl Scout Council of the Nation’s Capital and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, provides emergency preparedness information and activities at all levels of Girl Scouts, the Homeland Security Department officials said. Requirements needed to earn the patch include identifying and preparing for potential emergencies; learning about local alerts and warning systems, and engaging in community service.

    “As a former Girl Scout, I know the ‘Be Prepared’ motto well — and I look forward to working with the Girl Scouts to spread the preparedness message to all of our nation’s citizens,” Napolitano said.

    *********************

    I have conflicting emotions over this…I think it is good that our Girl Scouts are learning about being prepared…but I’m really upset that that FEMA, NSA, Etc. have their fingers in this!

    Best Regards,
    RS

    • This part worried me even more.

      ““This new preparedness patch will increase citizen preparedness and enhance our country’s readiness for disasters,” Homeland Security Department Secretary Janet Napolitano said when Girl Scouts of the USA Chief Executive Officer Kathy Cloninger unveiled the badge in Laurel, Md., as part of President Barack Obama’s My Education, My Future initiative.

      Part of Obama’s Initiative? Just like Hitler, he is indoctrinating the kids. For what? What does this buttbrain have planned that we don’t know about? Why all the recent talk about preparing for a National Emergency?

      Hope you and yourn are doin’ good RS. Great big hugs.

      • “and engaging in community service.”

        OK, that part raise the hairs on the back of my neck.

        • Richmond Spitfire says:

          Hi LOI…

          Both Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts have been “pushing” community service (hold your horses — in a “good” way) for years.

          Every single badge has a community service project associated with it as a part of earning the badge.

          Frankly, the involvement of Federal Agencies is what is worrying me the most. Girl Scouts & Boy Scouts are not federal agencies — is this the start of attempting to assimilate????

          Scouting has certainly changed over the years…I was a Brownie, Junior and unofficial Cub Scout (mother was a den leader). For us kids, it was about being with your friends, crafts, selling cookies (to earn neat things), camping and learning about being self-sufficient and respectful of other people.

          I became a Brownie Leader this year, and I totally resent the leader guides…The guides are all about being “green”…to me, there is alot of political undertones there.

          Best regards to all,
          RS

    • Spitfire, I think you will like this,

      My plan to help my girl sell cookies was rejected!

      GirlScouts2 For my Wordless Wednesday post yesterday, I put up a photo of a cute little girl who had – apparently – just set fire to a house full of people who refused to place an order for Girl Scouts cookies with her.

      There was a point to all of that. Well, there was sort of a point to that, at least.

      I’ve got an eight-year-old girl who sells cookies for her Girl Scouts troop every year. The competition is fierce, folks. She generally manages to sell around 300 boxes or so, but that amount pales in comparison to sales totals from some of the other girls.

      http://naturalhawg.blogspot.com/2009/09/my-plan-to-help-my-girl-sell-cookies.html

  21. USW, wishing Mrs. Weapon a speedy recovery…..

    Mattius, I know you are hard at work this week, but thought you’d enjoy this version of WALNUT:

    http://freedomnuts.org/

    • GASP! WALNUT has been hijacked right out from underneath me*!! And my conservatives, no less. Well, I guess I’ll always have CASHEW. Thanks Kathy, for the smile. Now back to work.. ::sigh::

      *Unless they had it first, in which case, nevermind..

  22. Saw this on Fox.

    The Disabled American Veterans service organization is encouraging veterans and others to march in Washington — online at least.

    In what it dubs the “Million Claims March,” the advocacy group is using social networking sites to encourage veterans to participate online in chats starting Tuesday about the backlog in disability claims at the Veterans Affairs Department and other veterans issues.

    The virtual “march” includes video messages posted by veterans, lawmakers and government officials.

    To participate, veterans must be at a computer. About 15,000 people have signed up so far.

    The number of claims that needs to be processed by the VA is approaching 1 million, creating a financial burden for many injured veterans.

  23. D13

    Thanks BF…but I do really understand it and get it. You and I come from different philosophies, do we not? Who is right?

    The one that follows the money.

    Who is wrong?

    The one that does not.

    ….we shall see. You feel you are on the correct pathway, I do not. I feel that I am on the correct pathway, you do not. Life really is that simple but the reality of life is dangerous.

    The challenge you face is an articulation of how do you expect a change, where change is impossible.
    It is a question that the Universe does not allow an answer for….

    I will stay with the ship and try to save it. I may have to grab a life preserver later but I would have tried at the very least and that is the make up that I am.

    A man can only effort in one place at any point in time.

    Wasting time and energy saving what is impossible to save will ensure the possible that could have done ‘something’ is no longer possible, as well.

    Basitiat lesson (Broken Window Fallacy) and the Black Swan lesson:
    It is easy for a man to see ‘what is’, but the most important thing is for a man to see ‘what is not’ because it is blocked from view by the ‘what is’.

    The fixing of the broken window – everyone sees the new window; few if any do not see the lost shoes and suit that was not bought because of the window. The shoes and suit are are more important than the windows because they are ignored in the calculations – and radically change the cost/benefit analysis of the broken window.

    It is in the extremities of society where dramatic and real change to society occurs – not in the paradigm, but outside the paradigm.

    Continuation of effort inside a lost paradigm will prevent your involvement in guiding the new one.

  24. Bernanke says recession ‘very likely over’

    Mr. “Good news” speaks again …. watch out!
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32858855/ns/business-economy_in_turmoil/

  25. anoninnc

    My friend, Black Flag, I suppose what concerns me the most is the apparent glee you seem to anticipate in watching “the ship sink.”

    Glee? I suppose one can have a sense of ‘being right’ when predictions of consequences come to fruit. But one isn’t joyful in seeing suffering – and it is difficult to say “Told you so….”

    The Curse of Cassandra is a very hard life to live.

    I know you may disagree, but the Titanic was an inanimate steel vessel . . . this country, and even its dreaded government, is comprised of flesh and blood, not floating steel.

    The ship, like a country, was simply filled with people.
    There is nothing ‘special’ about this country or any other that makes it immune to consequences.

    Perhaps you are correct; it may be too late for this nation as we know it, but retreating and waiting seems too much like the fall-out shelters people built in their back yards when I was a child.

    By recognizing the difference between futile action and delegitimizing and regrouping – you will not need bomb shelters.

    Failing this, you will need bomb shelters.

    I would rather die out on the open field than live on in the wasteland cooped up in my “safe” shelter.

    The dead find it difficult to enact any change whatsoever.

    And, my friend, I pray that, just like the obsolete fall-out shelters that neighbors built back in my childhood, predictions of doom for our nation come to be realized as premature.

    Doom is merely an attitude.

    Change is coming. What you know today will not be successful tomorrow. Energizing today will leave you exhausted, when your energy for the future is most important.

    • Ladies and Gentelmen:

      BF has made one of the most important statements of the day:

      “Energizing today will leave you exhausted, when your energy for the future is most important.”

      Those clamoring for revolution now need to take this to heart and commit it to hard thought.

      Some of you may recall when months ago I suggested that we needed to be calm and the best thing would be to stay underground until 2010. I got chastized by several.

      It is impossible to keep the fever pitch going as long as it will be needed to win this fight. I see little recognition of that reality among those trying to lead this effort.

      • JAC, You were right earlier when you said there’s a quickening in the air. I see everywhere I go. In the past week, I’ve seen arguments between lovers at a park on a sunny afternoon, heard a mother scream “shut the f*&% up” to a toddler. There’s some free floating ugliness out and about. This morning I picked (and yes it was me) a fight with my son before he was out of bed, and I’ve been making a very conscious effort to think before speaking (I guess that time it was – how nasty can i make this)… ok I’m rambling now — I’ll steal a page from LOI.

        I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh lord
        Ive been waiting for this moment, all my life, oh lord
        Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, oh lord, oh lord

        Well, if you told me you were drowning
        I would not lend a hand
        Ive seen your face before my friend
        But I dont know if you know who I am
        Well, I was there and I saw what you did
        I saw it with my own two eyes
        So you can wipe off the grin, I know where youve been
        Its all been a pack of lies

        And I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh lord
        Ive been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh lord
        I can feel it in the air tonight, oh lord, oh lord
        And Ive been waiting for this moment all my life, oh lord, oh lord

        Well I remember, I remember dont worry
        How could I ever forget, its the first time, the last time we ever met
        But I know the reason why you keep your silence up, no you dont fool me
        The hurt doesnt show; but the pain still grows
        Its no stranger to you or me

        And I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh lord…

        • Last night a nieghbor woman showed up on my doorstep at 5:15 pm. She works at the city. She had been drinking and she absolutely exploded on me about my son and problems with him and her kids.

          She made the statement that I was to keep him off her property (OK with that) and to keep him off her street. When I asked “Your street?”, she simply looked dumbfounded.

          She almost seemed in some sort of trance, just ranting on and on. Tears started welling up and her skin got all blotchy. It was obvious to me, that regardless of how deserved or undeserved my son was of the criticism, this lady is under tremendous stress from something else.

          Another neighbor, husband recently lost it and they had to get restraining order. He responded with divorce papers. He is their only financial support. This one is easier to understand as he lost his job in the forest products industry about 1.5 years ago. But he has been employed since and getting by.

          I happen to know that both these families are the head in the sand types. Not political and don’t pay much attention to current political happenings. So what is the source of all the stress? There is definitely something in the air.

        • CSM,

          I can relate to this, several years ago I was under constant high stress at work. There was an old man(known him since I was a child)who would stop me during difficult jobs, demanding politely for me to do something for him. I was an outright ass to him for months, he never got upset, nor stopped pestering me. Eventually, I got sick of how I was acting and changed my behavior. Being an as did nothing to help or change the situation, just as crying doesn’t stop the rain. A good thing came of it, I can now deal with great stress without loosing it.

          Its good to remember we CONTROL how we feel. JAC’s neighbor could yell and cuss him to his face, but he chooses how to feel. Is it anger, respond in kind? Pity,
          knowing she is not like this without something else driving her? Amusement, thinking she looks like an idiot?

          I like Phil, think its funny how I’ve corrupted a few of you into the song posting. Your next step, when someone says something that annoys you, quote a song lyric that may or may not have anything to do with the conversation.

          Ex. “We must pass healthcare now!”
          Response, “You can’t always get what you want”.
          Mick Jagger

          Then walk off leaving them speechless.

          Something a little more upbeat,

          Cheers Theme

          Making your way in the world today takes everything you’ve got.
          Taking a break from all your worries, sure would help a lot.

          Wouldn’t you like to get away?

          Sometimes you want to go

          Where everybody knows your name,
          and they’re always glad you came.
          You wanna be where you can see,
          our troubles are all the same
          You wanna be where everybody knows
          Your name.

          You wanna go where people know,
          people are all the same,
          You wanna go where everybody knows
          your name.

          Making your way in the world today
          Takes everything you’ve got;
          Taking a break from all your worries
          Sure would help a lot.
          Wouldn’t you like to get away?

          All those night when you’ve got no lights,
          The check is in the mail;
          And your little angel
          Hung the cat up by it’s tail;
          And your third fiance didn’t show;

          Sometimes you want to go
          Where everybody knows your name,
          And they’re always glad you came;
          You want to be where you can see,
          Our troubles are all the same;
          You want to be where everybody knows your name.

          Roll out of bed, Mr. Coffee’s dead;
          The morning’s looking bright;
          And your shrink ran off to Europe,
          And didn’t even write;
          And your husband wants to be a girl;

          Be glad there’s one place in the world
          Where everybody knows your name,
          And they’re always glad you came;
          You want to go where people know,
          People are all the same;
          You want to go where everybody knows your name.

          Where everybody knows your name,
          And they’re always glad you came;
          Where everybody knows your name,
          And they’re always glad you came…

          We are glad you came to Stand Up for America

  26. As most of you know, lately my position has wavered between BF’s view and, I guess D13’s. I get so angry watching Washington and the collection of anal orifices there that my head nearly explodes.

    On BF’s side, I can see where he is coming from. I myself have said a 100 times on this site. “No Government at all is better than what we have now.” I say that because I firmly believe it. The people of the United States deserve much, much better than the idiots we elected to run this Nation. If that is the best the voting majority can come up with, well then byGod absolutely nothing would be better and I say let the damn thing collapse. From there maybe, just maybe some good souls will pick up the pieces and put it back together right. A Government by the people, for the people.

    Then we have D13’s and most of the rest of you. I’m not yet including myself in this. Like BF, you see the those Political dancers doing the Patomac two-step and you want to get rid of it. Unlike BF Though, you want to do it the old fashioned way, by voting the change in. Put somebody new in there. Someone or rather, a lot of someones, who will actually think of what the people want instead of what the Unions, the PAC’s, ACORN, and Racist groups on ALL sides want. What Ordinary Joe wants.

    Which group is right? Hmmm…. Good question. I’ll tell you what I think. I think that if we sit and wait on the Government to collapse on it’s own from non-involvement of voters, we’re never going to see it. Oh, I have no doubt it will collapse whether we vote or not. As a matter of fact, I will be suprised if we have until 2012 for it to happen. But it’s going to collapse in my view because our esteekin’ leaders have pushed our nation too close to the edge now to pull it back.

    But you know what? After a whole lot of thinking and soul searching, I have come to a few conclusions. See, my Mama and my Daddy taught me from a small boy to be the best citizen I could be. They taught me that my vote was my duty to my Country. It was also my privilege to vote. And I have done just that since I was 18. I’m now 46. And I have one more little problem. I done got my neck bowed. I’ll just be damned if I’m going to sit on my ass while these fools up there destroy my Country. I have no doubt that they already have. It’s just a matter of time now IMO.

    But if I have any power in it, the ones sitting on their ass there now ain’t a gonna be there when it happens. We need to vote every solitary damn one right out of office and send them back home with a big “kick me” sign stuck on their backs. Also in my august opinion, if this Country DOES collapse before 2012, Obama should be hauled up and tried for treason against the people of the United States! Why? Because his Presidency is not just incompetent, not just ridiculously flawed. The President is on a mad Power grab. And he is willing, along with accomplices in his Administration and Congress, to sacrifice us in their blind ambition. Some in the private sector like George Soros can be thrown right in there with them too.

    You can call me a Conspiracy Theorist. You can call me a fool. I don’t really give a damn one way or the other. But that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it. 😉

  27. PS: If anyone missed #5, I suggest you review it.

    This is not a small problem – this is not Mount St. Helna* blowing her top (banking crisis) – it is Yellowstone** blowing its top (derivative crisis).

    *St Helens (1980) Cubic Km erupted = 1

    **Yellowstone (1.3 million yrs ago) Cubic Km erupted = 1000

    • Flag,

      I read it and think I understand. Not much to say since there is nothing I can do that will affect it. I am starting to buy some gold and silver, may catch hell with spousal unit leader. Oh well, thanks for your advice on this.

    • I read it and don’t understand but will keep on working on preparedness. Also jumped into gold market for first time.

      • I am not an expert, but you might want to look into this: Liberty Gold. It is spread out with different aspects of the business around the world to make it harder for any one government to shut them down. I’m seriously thinking about signing up. Not as my only hedge, but as another method of diversifying. In a REAL TSHTF scenario, there might not be any international communications to keep something like this viable.

  28. Believe it or not, I’m still reading. You folks are stressing me out, because I am definitely not in the mainstream on this site. But I am here to tell you that an informal survey of the people I meet on a daily basis finds that folks in Northern Virginia are overwhelmingly FOR the Obama plan.
    The majority of us are policy wonks of some sort – because it just seeps in through your skin around here – and we don’t see how any national health care plan would get paid for, but it seems like most everyone would like to see some regulations go through.
    That’s all I’ve got time to say. I’ll keep reading as long as some smidgen of hope for our nation continues to peek through every now and then.

    • DCGrrl:

      I didn’t get a chance to welcome you the other day so will do so now.

      I need a favor if you will.

      As you reside in N. Virginia I need to find out how the school districts are organized there (county, city, or what) and could use a contact phone number if you could find one. I would greatly appreciate it.

      I am guessing your stress is not from being outside the mainstream as much as your subconsious recognition that some of your base assumptions are being tested. My exposure to the D.C. crowd confirms your comment regarding “policy wonk”. I think that may be part of the “Potomac Fever” we see from out here. Everyone becomes focused on re-arranging the chairs. No one ever stops to ask if we should even have chairs, or if we should even be on this ship or on another.

      Best wishes and thanks in advance, if you are able to help with school search (high school).
      JAC

      • Honestly, it’s just not fun to disagree with people. I’d rather visit sites that say ‘yes we can’ instead of ‘our government is destined to fail and take us all with it.’ That’s a stressful message. I’m sure it’s not relaxing for those of you that believe it, either.

        But this blog came recommended by some smart folks, and as a person who tries to understand the world around her, I’d rather discuss it with you people than someone who will just call me names.

        As for Va. schools, I know Arlington County takes care of their own: http://www.apsva.us/
        I don’t have school children, so I hope you can find the phone number you need on the web site there.

        I’m not sure I have this Potomac fever you refer to.
        I do pay attention to what happens on Capitol Hill, but mostly because it’s local news. I am not the best economist. But I desperately want health coverage reform of some kind.

        • DCGrrl:

          Thanks for the link.

          The biggest problem with back there is that it doesn’t take long before everyone forgets what it is really like to be here.

        • See #46, DCGrrl

        • Disagreeing is a people thing while merely following is a sheeple thing so nix that ASAP. Its no biggie to shout “Yes we can!” over and over unless you are going to balk at the response of “How exactly?” which would be odd in that most adults do that with their kids big spending ideas all the time. Above all be truthful and let the debate begin. Everyone brings something unique to the forum.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Agreed – I live and work West of Philadelphia in a very conservative County – most people support reform although they are not as likely to lean as far left as I am on this sole issue – most just want to ensure we can pay for it.

    • DCGrrl,

      Welcome back. Any thoughts on the Tea Party rally in DC and/or the media silence on it? I don’t suppose you saw it, and how many were really there?

      • So sorry, I knew there was something happening on The Mall over the weekend – two things actually (The Tea Party, and the Black Family Reunion) – that I was not involved in. So I stayed away, and did not witness either. I saw media coverage of the rally in The Washington Post and that counts as coverage to me.
        In my many years of walking the Mall, I will tell you that the National Park Service generally gives an estimate that is considered the ‘official’ number. It is generally considered to be disgustingly low by whatever group is throwing the event. That is because NPS usually numbers by an overhead image capturing a number of people on the Mall at one time, and of course any group throwing a rally has people signing petitions or registrations and they are capturing the people that are flowing on and off the Mall.
        However, a MILLION is a lot of frackin people. So I wouldn’t go that far.
        But I’ve been down there for a lot of rallies. You can have an impressive rally without having a million people.
        Just getting in your car and marching on Washington is a big deal. I think the article in The Post makes a point. People were here from outside the beltway, this is not just a town hall meeting.

  29. Rep. Joe Wilson’s outburst last week is drawing new recriminations from his colleagues, with a member of the Congressional Black Caucus suggesting that a failure to rebuke Wilson is tantamount to supporting the most blatant form of organized racism in American history.

    In an obvious reference to the KKK, Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., said Tuesday that people will put on “white hoods and ride through the countryside” if emerging racist attitudes, which he says were subtly supported by Wilson, are not rebuked. He said Wilson must be disciplined as an example.

    The charged comments come as the House is preparing to take further action against the South Carolina Republican. House Democratic leaders decided to formally discipline him Tuesday afternoon for his jeer last week at President Obama during a joint session of Congress.

    The punishment is expected take the form of a “resolution of disapproval,” which is a milder version of other more traditional means of congressional discipline. Wilson can avoid the rap on the wrists by apologizing to his colleagues on the House floor, but Wilson — who already apologized directly to the White House — has said that’s not going to happen.

    Wilson bellowed “You lie!” at Obama during his address.

    While he was widely condemned by colleagues on both sides of the aisle for breaching protocol, some have gone a step further and accused Wilson of being racially motivated.

    Johnson seemed to reference the protests held in Washington, D.C., on Saturday in making his claim. While many protesters were there to demonstrate against big government and federal over-spending, Johnson argued that a “fringe” element is motivated by race and that Wilson’s behavior is a “wink” to that fringe.

    New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd wrote in her column Sunday that Wilson’s outburst convinced her that racial angst is the underlying motive among Obama critics like Wilson.

    “I’ve been loath to admit that the shrieking lunacy of the summer … had much to do with race,” she wrote. “But Wilson’s shocking disrespect for the office of the president — no Democrat ever shouted ‘liar’ at W. when he was hawking a fake case for war in Iraq — convinced me: Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it.”

    Dowd wrote that Wilson “clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber.”

    Asked about the claim, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said race is not the factor.

    But it is against House rules to call the president a “liar” or accuse him of “lying” when the House is in session, which is the basis for the punishment Tuesday.

    “We’re not the British parliament for a reason,” said Kristie Greco, spokeswoman for House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C.,.”Ignoring the issue sets a precedent for bad behavior.”

    Greco described the resolution as “direct” and “non-partisan.”

    “It goes directly to conduct on the House floor,” Greco said.

    Most Democrats in the House appear poised to sanction Wilson. But many Republicans argue that since the South Carolina Republican has already apologized, this step is unnecessary. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., opposed punishing Wilson until Clyburn and other Democratic leaders persuaded her to change her mind.

    Critics say Democrats are only prolonging the issue and hurting themselves by pushing for further action against Wilson. Republicans may use the Wilson resolution to try to embarrass Democrats Tuesday, by bringing up the alleged ethical lapses of House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., or Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., or others.

    The resolution is “privileged,” meaning whenever it is introduced the measure goes to the front of the legislative line. It is unclear who will call up the measure.

    A “resolution of disapproval” is not one of the four forms of discipline typically meted out in the House. The most commonly used means of punishment are expulsion, censure, reprimand or fine.

    For instance, in 1997, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was both reprimanded and fined for his book deal. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., was reprimanded in 1990 for ethical breaches tied to a male prostitute. Republicans tried to censure Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., in 2007 for comments he made on the House floor about President Bush. But Democrats voted to set aside that effort.

    A simple majority vote is needed to approve the resolution against Wilson.

    • Oh how I wish dueling were still legal in the Distric of Columbia.

      • Legal or mandatory? 😉

        • My dear Kent:

          Perhaps your onto something.

          By the way, was cruising around on your turf the other night and saw your picture of the rendevous at Craig. Did you attend that rendevous?

          I passed through Craig that year on the way to Steamboat. But don’t remember the rendevous so must have been different time of year.

          One more question. How the hell can a guy who spent time growing up in the Rocky Mtns keep from going insane in that flat land of Texas?

          • Yeah, I was at that rendezvous. It was really in the middle of nowhere, so you wouldn’t have stumbled into camp without looking for it.

            I didn’t grow up in CO. Some would claim I haven’t grown up at all. I don’t actually have a “hometown” or anything. I am now living about 10 miles from where I was born, but until a year and a half ago I hadn’t lived here since I was about 2 yrs old. I lived all over TX, and in AR, CO, and PA. The flat farmland around here just about drives me insane. I need wild places to roam, and there is none of that around here.

    • Oh hell. Johnson would be from Georgia.

      “Republicans tried to censure Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., in 2007 for comments he made on the House floor about President Bush. But Democrats voted to set aside that effort.”

      Seems that only Republicans can be punished in a Democrat controlled Congress.

    • “ep. Joe Wilson’s outburst last week is drawing new recriminations from his colleagues, with a member of the Congressional Black Caucus suggesting that a failure to rebuke Wilson is tantamount to supporting the most blatant form of organized racism in American history.

      In an obvious reference to the KKK, Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., said Tuesday that people will put on “white hoods and ride through the countryside” if emerging racist attitudes, which he says were subtly supported by Wilson, are not rebuked. He said Wilson must be disciplined as an example.”

      Can anyone follow this logic? How ridiculous!

      • My guess is, that he is a racist because he called Obama a liar. Like I said last week, when does calling some one a liar considered a racist remark.

        • Depends on who’s listening and what they want to hear.
          Rev.’s Jackson and Wright are sure to think it was racist, or at least use it as an excuse to promote their agenda.

          • I think they are 2 of the biggest racists out there. Come to think of it, so is Rev Al Sharpton for that matter.

      • The Universe according to Rep. Johnson: Only whites can be racists, and only socialists are able to say things that are untrue without “lying”.

  30. PeterB in Indianapolis says:

    I think that Washington DC and the people of Washington DC have a huge case of collective megalomania.

    Not only do they have THEMSELVES convinced that the rest of us could not possibly live without them, but look at how many members of the general populace they have duped into BELIEVING that existence is impossible without them.

    I challenge everyone here- simply LIVE YOUR LIFE for one week. Do not read the newspaper, do not listen to the radio, do not watch anything even vaguely resembling “news” on the TV. Convince USW to take the week off too, so you know you aren’t missing anything on this site.

    Do not PURPOSELY follow any laws. I am NOT recommending that you go out and BREAK any laws, I a merely saying live your life the way that your own sense dictates it should be lived for that one week.

    My guess is, you will find very quickly that you lived your life just fine for that one week, got along with other people better than usual, and didn’t miss much at all by paying no attention to the “news”. I predict that you will also naturally follow laws that are natural and make sense.

    And don’t worry… the news is simply a “reality soap-opera”. You could actually miss much more than a week of it and not miss much of anything at all.

    Regardless of your current political (or apolitical) stripes, I encourage you to try it for a week. If necessary, go camping in Western South Dakota (for example) for a week and don’t bring a TV, and only listen to “non-news” on the radio, or better yet, don’t even turn the radio on unless you see a storm approaching.

    • Sounds like a good plan to me! I actually have been feeling rather stressed of late. I’ve decided that a lot of it comes from yelling at my TV while watching “news.” 🙂

    • Hey now! That’s a good idea. Let’s see if we can.

    • I don’t know, Pete. If we’d all been ignoring what goes on in DC for the last few months, there’s no telling what they might have done. I think the fact that people have started to pay attention has slowed them down considerably.

    • I'm learning! says:

      Take his advice. We camp often in the summer. The only purpose for a TV is to watch an occasional movie when it’s raining. We rarely can even tune in a channel most places we camp at. It is very peaceful! Fresh air, outdoor cooking, good conversations with others you are camping with (whether it is friends/family or complete strangers you just met). Everyone needs something like that! Reality will always be there when you get back. Don’t forget that you do need to deal with reality, but take a break every now and then!

    • I think this sounds like a great idea, Peter.
      One note: be careful what you say about the people of Washington DC.

      Say what you will about the institutions that operate in and around Capitol Hill. But keep in mind that the people of Washington DC don’t even have a vote in Congress.

    • Bonsoir, les amis–

      We spent a week out in the Pacific Northwest this summer on my sister’s boat. We’ve never done anything like it before and probably never will again. We so appreciated being truly away from all the noise and hype, seeing eagles and seals until they became “ordinary,” examining hapless starfish, watching dinghies launched frantically to help with a sailboat fire, trying not to laugh when someone rolled a kayak . . . .

      Then it was back to reality. Things have to be paid for. The D.C. crowd “fait des conneries.” (does stupid stuff) The litter boxes need to be cleaned. Hmmm, do the last two have anything in common?

  31. Husband Store

    A store that sells new husbands has opened in New York City , where a woman
    may go to choose a husband. Among the instructions at the entrance is a
    description of how the store operates:

    You may visit this store ONLY ONCE! There are six floors and the value of
    the products increase as the shopper ascends the flights. The shopper may
    choose any item from a particular floor, or may choose to go up to the next
    floor, but you cannot go back down except to exit the building!

    So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband. On the first floor
    the sign on the door reads:

    Floor 1 – These men Have Jobs

    She is int
    rigued, but continues to the second floor, where the sign
    reads:

    Floor 2 – These men Have Jobs and Love Kids.

    ‘That’s nice,’ she thinks, ‘but I want more.’

    So she continues upward. The third floor sign reads:

    Floor 3 – These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, and are Extremely Good Lookin g.

    ‘Wow,’ she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going..

    She goes to the fourth floor and the sign reads:

    Floor 4 – These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Good Looking and
    Help With Housework

    ‘Oh, mercy me!’ she exclaims, ‘I can hardly stand it!’

    Still, she goes to the fifth floor and the sign reads:

    Floor 5 – These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Gorgeous, Help with
    Housework, and Have a Strong Romantic Streak..

    She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the sixth floor, where the sign
    reads:

    Floor 6 – You are visitor 31,456,012 to this floor. There are no men on this
    floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to
    please. Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store.

    PLEASE NOTE:

    To avoid gender bias charges, the store’s owner opened a New Wives store
    just across the street.

    The first floor has wives that love sex.

    The second floor has
    wives that love sex and have money and like beer.

    The third, fourth, fifth and sixth floors have never been visited.

  32. On the whole issue of healthcare and cap and trade. If our politicans think that we are not mainstream….then they need to put these issues to the vote of the American people. I wonder if they would think the polls were rigged. I have gotten past the issues to the fact it makes me very angry that our elected officals will not listen. Talk about hardheaded.

  33. Mike M. Houston Texas says:

    BF I am mostly in agreement for your ideas of freedom. However, after reading your many responses in this thread I wonder if this is what you meant to tell us.

    Wether we do anything or do nothing it will not help as not “everyone” will do nothing therefore “we should all just give up living our lives”.

    Speaking in contradictions is what politicians do. You seem to be very good at that.

    1.) Change is coming. What you know today will not be successful tomorrow. Energizing today will leave you exhausted, when your energy for the future is most important.

    Your crystal ball is no better than any other. I can only take this world one day at a time and do my best today. Are you saying to hibernate and do nothing today because I might need the energy later? What if there is no later and I die in a week or month? Am I really better off because I did nothing. In my opinion, no.

    2.) The ship, like a country, was simply filled with people.
    There is nothing ‘special’ about this country or any other that makes it immune to consequences.

    I humbly disagree. There is something specail about this country. It is not immune to consequences but it is immune to consequences that would devestate other countries. so I guess immunity comes in different flavors.

    3.) Yes the window was replaced but since we are speaking of things that no one is aware of such as shoes and a suit.

    Replacing the window kept the cold out and my children did not freeze at night which was more important than the shoes or the suit. So we could argue this ad infinitum and not get anywhere. Anyone can add to a situation to support their view. Maybe the man should have bought his suit and shoes and left his children to die that night. I think not.

    4.) The challenge you face is an articulation of how do you expect a change, where change is impossible.

    Nothing is impossible given enough money and time. A wise man once told me that tomorrow will not be like today. It may be better or it may be worse but it will not be exactly like today.

    Doing something will succeed in changing it to something else (good or bad). Doing nothing cannot succeed as you do not have enough time nor money to convince the millions of people in this country to do “Nothing”.

    BF please dont take this the wrong way but I am a nuts and bolts guy. It is easy to sit at the 50,000 ft level and offer over arching philosophical ideas. At the 50,000 ft level you are right. However, many a plan has gone awry while sitting atop and watching the minions try and carry out said plan.

    Since we cannot convince the whole country to “do nothing” we are then left with only two other choices. Get rid of the guy who spends trillions for the guy who will only spend millions. I would like to at least “choose” which one is doing the spending.

    No disrepect intended.

  34. PeterB I think you have a good idea there. I know I am feeling pretty stressed with all the bulldookey lately. I got to watch the Glenn Beck 2 hour thing on Saturday and ended up depressed 😦
    I just got home from getting my hair done. The girl who does my hair watches only the msm. She’s 40 something, married with children. She knew nothing of the Tea Party Express, Van Jones, Acorn and the list goes on and on. That depresses me even more.
    I just have no idea where to go from here or what to do to take back our country. It feels like freedom is seeping slowly thru our fingers.

  35. President Obama said Tuesday that he’s still got a “ton of fight” left in him to push health care reform, as he rallied workers at a General Motors assembly plant in Ohio.

    The president is once again stepping up his public appearances to build support for health care legislation as his allies in Congress try to hammer out a package that can withstand votes on the floors of the House and Senate.

    “As long as you’ve still got an ounce of fight left in you, I’ve got a ton of fight left in me,” Obama said at the plant near Youngstown, Ohio. “I’ve said it before — I’m skinny but I’m tough.”

    The president planned to spend his Tuesday before friendly groups of autoworkers and union members, trying to assure blue-collar audiences that the economy is coming back — and that his administration deserves credit for saving some of their jobs.

    Later, the president addresses the AFL-CIO convention in Pittsburgh, where he will urge the nation’s largest labor federation to support his health care overhaul. Obama planned to tell AFL-CIO members how his health care proposals would help repair an economy that is inching toward double-digit unemployment.

    The events are designed to be heavy on working-class appeal in hopes of boosting the White House’s credentials with the middle-class voters so crucial to the president’s economic agenda.

    In Youngstown, Obama also claimed credit for an economic uptick on his watch, telling autoworkers that the economy is on its way back from the brink because of his policies.

    Pledging to stand firm with autoworkers, Obama told factory workers that his administration had no choice but to intervene and prevent the collapse of automakers. He told General Motors employees that their company has retooled itself and is heading back to a solid business, in part, because of its work force.

    “Your survival and the success of our economy depended on making sure that we got the U.S. auto industry back on its feet,” Obama said, standing near a production line where compact Chevrolet Cobalts are produced.

    • Obama may have to start fighting. Beck has been after him on his “judge me by the company I keep” comment. Supposed to be a big story tonight. He seems determined to find out all the dirt on “the Ones” Czars and advisors and is really using this ACORN scandal.

      Hope Beck has a bodyguard.

    • The sad part of his visit to Youngstown, is he left the stench of fabrication in the air, and it really stinks. Ofcourse he couldn’t drive from the airport, he had to have three helicopters take him there for a grand entrance for his union buttbuddies. He is the joker!

      G!

  36. csm

    :question from another blog that screams “I need the Flag!” ‘Question for you guys. I own a business where I contract my services up to a year and half in advance sometimes. I’ve thought about adding a clause to my contract to protect myself in the event of a currency crisis. Any thoughts or ideas on what other companies might do in this situation?’

    The problem will be you may price yourself out of the market or make it difficult for your customers to understand your contract.

    You may consider pricing in EUR or USD (which ever is higher) – but again, in a tight market, may make you ‘too complicated’ to do business with….

    The best you can do is maybe add a clause to renegotiate prices every 3-6 months with increases based on the CPI.

    • Thanks — I posted your answer and JAC’s — in addition to being pirates, you two are now Dilbert’s world’s smartest garbageman and Stephen Hawking. hope you’re not offended 😉 c

      • Anytime – I guess I’m the garbage man? 😉

        • other way around — it looked good because I posted JAC’s first and then responded to my post with ‘and then Stephen Hawking said….’

          html is handled differently over there, so maybe it made up for a link I tried to post that garbaged up pretty badly … 😛

  37. Does USW need a theme song and what should it be? Here’s two from me,

    I speak my mind. I don’t hold it back,
    That’s how I am, and I’m hopin’ that’s where you’ at.
    Like I lay it on the line and that’s how it should be
    If you’re gonna make it, man you’ve got to agree

    I’m a stone cold believer, yes, I am,
    I believe you can do it if you say that you can
    I’m a stone cold believer, not a smooth talkin’ man,
    believe I got things well at hand

    Wanna climb that ladder, y’ wanna make it to the top,
    Takes only one thing, gotta give it all y’ got.
    Knew a man who couldn’t lose, ’cause he never gave in,
    He stuck to his pistol well it made him a better man.

    I’m a stone cold believer, yes, I am,
    I believe you can do it if you say that you can
    I’m a stone cold believer, not a smooth talkin’ man,
    believe I got things well at hand

    ~Barnes, Carlisi, Junstrom, Van Zant, 38 Special

    And Tom Petty, I Won’t Back Down

    Well I won’t back down
    No I won’t back down
    You can stand me up at the gates of hell
    But I won’t back down

    No I’ll stand my ground, won’t be turned around
    And I’ll keep this world from draggin me down
    gonna stand my ground
    … and I won’t back down

    Chorus:
    (I won’t back down…)
    Hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
    (and I won’t back down…)
    hey I will stand my ground
    and I won’t back down

    Well I know what’s right, I got just one life
    in a world that keeps on pushin me around
    but I’ll stand my ground
    …and I won’t back down

    (I won’t back down…)
    Hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
    (and I won’t back down…)
    hey I will stand my ground
    (I won’t back down)
    and I won’t back down…

    (I won’t back down…)
    Hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
    (I won’t back down)
    hey I won’t back down
    (and I won’t back down)
    hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
    (and I won’t back down)
    hey I will stand my ground
    (and I won’t back down)
    and I won’t back down
    (I won’t back down)
    No I won’t back down…

  38. Mike M. Houston Texas

    Wether we do anything or do nothing it will not help as not “everyone” will do nothing therefore “we should all just give up living our lives”.

    No. You need to keep living – dead is no value to anyone.

    Not energizing government – and that is very different from ‘giving up’. Is not continuing to do a futile action giving up? Giving up doing something else?

    Your crystal ball is no better than any other.

    My crystal ball is incredibly clear.

    The economic world works by laws of human action. What my crystal ball will not tell anyone is “when” – but it does tell “what”.

    If society continues to make “this choice”, then this will be, eventually, the consequence.

    I can only take this world one day at a time and do my best today. Are you saying to hibernate and do nothing today because I might need the energy later?

    No.

    You live the best you can with what you have. But I suggest not wasting time in futile action. There is nothing more exhausting then doing something for a long time only to find out it was worthless and was never going be anything but worthless. Avoid THOSE things.

    By doing futile action, you take away your ability to do other action. You can only do one action at a time. If you are digging a hole in water, you cannot be building a bridge over it.

    I humbly disagree. There is something specail about this country. It is not immune to consequences but it is immune to consequences that would devestate other countries. so I guess immunity comes in different flavors.

    Such as?
    Do you believe high inflation or even hyper-inflation is not possible in the USA? Well, you forgot – this has happened before in the USA! You just forgot.

    Do you believe the economy cannot collapse for decades in the USA? Well, you forgot – this has happened before too!

    Do you believe this country cannot fall into a continental Civil War – killing 20% of the men of a generation?….. You know that answer, right?

    So what are you thinking?

    Replacing the window kept the cold out and my children did not freeze at night which was more important than the shoes or the suit. So we could argue this ad infinitum and not get anywhere.

    You miss the point of the Broken Window fallacy.

    The fallacy is that people tend to believe the economy improved because the shop owner had to spend money with the Window maker to fix the window, giving him a job and money to buy things, and around and around.

    What is forgotten is that the shoe maker did not get a sale. He did not get a job, and has no money to buy things. But because this side of the equation is not seen it is not added to the economic calculation. By making this error, you would conclude that destroying wealth is economically a good idea!

    Nothing is impossible given enough money and time. A wise man once told me that tomorrow will not be like today. It may be better or it may be worse but it will not be exactly like today.

    Sir, there are infinitely more impossible things then possible. We are skewed in our perception since we naturally avoid ‘impossible’ and work almost exclusively in the rest of the (very small) spectrum of possible.

    Tomorrow is different – fact of cause and effect. However, I know gravity will not fall upwards tomorrow too.

    Doing something will succeed in changing it to something else (good or bad). Doing nothing cannot succeed as you do not have enough time nor money to convince the millions of people in this country to do “Nothing”.

    As I said, doing something Bad is worse than doing nothing.

    Energizing evil is a “bad”.

    No disrepect intended

    Never entered my mind!

    Cheers!

  39. A group of House Democrats introduced legislation Tuesday that would overturn a federal marriage law that denies recognition of gay marriage and gives states the right to refuse recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states.

    Same-sex marriages are now legal in six states.

    The Respect for Marriage Act, unveiled by Reps. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., Tammy Baldwin, D-Wis., and Jared Polis, D-Colo, has the support of more than 90 lawmakers.

    The legislation would repeal the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), a 1996 law signed by President Bill Clinton.

    This is the “first step to overturning DOMA,” Nadler said, who called the law “irrational and hateful.”

    “Democracy doesn’t always get it right,” said Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., who also supports the Respect for Marriage Act. “This should have been corrected a long time ago.”

    House Democratic leaders will not schedule a floor vote any time soon, but the proposal is evidence of the appetite of activists and their legislative allies — now that Democrats control both Congress and the White House — for going beyond more incremental steps.

    Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., an influential and openly gay lawmaker, favors repeal but has not signed on as a co-sponsor of Nadler’s bill. Frank believes the legislation would have little chance of passage.

    Nadler acknowledged Frank’s absence of support for the bill, but said they would move forward without him.

    On the other side of the isle, Republican Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia, responded to congressional calls for the repeal of DOMA and urged House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to consider his Marriage Protection Amendment.

    “The Defense of Marriage Act was signed into law 13 years ago by a Democratic President because lawmakers began to see the assault on traditional marriage,” Broun said in a statement.

    “Over a decade later, traditional marriage – a principle tenant in our Judeo-Christian values – is under assault more than ever before,” he continued. “This is why I was extremely disappointed to see my liberal colleagues introduce legislation today to repeal the bipartisan Defense of Marriage Act.”

  40. Alan F

    :The “no alternative that does not entail an economic meltdown” should read “no alternative this government is currently willing to entertain that does not entail an economic meltdown” which is far more accurate.

    Change ‘this’ to ‘any’ and your change is even more accurate!

    Thanks, Alan – that was an important point you made.

    There are alternatives to save the economy – all of them painful – but survivable. But they are the ones no government will ever chose.

    Warren Buffet

    Made his billions from the consequences of fiat money creation.

    Not to take anything away from his genius, but it only happened because the FED inflates and creates money out of air.

    Bad money chases out good money. Too much fiat and cheap debt makes what would be unprofitable companies profitable – not because of productivity, but because of artificial cheap money.

    He borrowed all this cheap money and turned around and bought good companies with it – that were discounted against bad companies! Easy money when you know how!

    On a side note is Sorros set to make even more on shorting America one more time?

    No doubt.

    Thanks for the input!

  41. EsomHillGazette

    BF, what does it hurt to vote. If, as you state, it does no good to vote, it most certainly doesn’t hurt either.

    But it does hurt.

    You are saying with your vote to the politicians: “Here is my mandate, do whatever you want”.

    With no surprise, they do what ever they want.

    • Black Flag, on another day, and you referred me back to the post, you described in detail the process for candidate selection that you hold as meeting your standards; it was sound and viable and I learned much that day about your position and philosophy . . . or so I thought.

      But today, even that position seems dissolved in a philosophy that says that anyone who ever runs for office . . . will be corrupt. Period. And that any vote of mine is wasted because whomever received my vote will trash it on the wasteheap of corruption.

      That seems cynical and paralyzing to me.

      We are way bad off, and in deep deep trouble on many levels that include consequences that will be very difficult to overcome.

      But an arm-folding retreat into a tight cocoon of isolated self-preservation hardly seems productive . . . or American.

      But that seems to be the only solution that you are offering today.

      And I long for better than that.

      • There is “better than that”, but it isn’t to be found in government, “laws”, or voting. It is found by living your life as you see fit- doing what is the most important to YOU- as long as you don’t harm the innocent, and respecting the same in others. Life is too important to waste it wallowing in politics. We are not talking about “an arm-folding retreat into a tight cocoon of isolated self-preservation” but a respectful minding of our own business (and therefore not having time to mind the business of others). It is the ONLY thing that is productive, and was at one time, long ago, completely “American”.

        • Hi Kent

          As you say, that was at one time, long ago. Then, there wasn’t the masses of people then either, like there is now. You’d have to find some far off remote place to live like that again. Sure, it would be nice to live peacefully, minding your business, and others minding there own business, but try and find that now, I think, is next to impossible.

          It would be absolutely wonderful if we could tell the government and such to stay out of our lives, and mind their own business, let us live as we see fit, but I don’t see that happening. I agree that there is too much government involvement where it doesn’t belong, and that there are those who just can’t see it. I would much rather live somewhere where there isn’t a lot of people around, I don’t like being around a lot of people, just a few chosen that I feel comfortable with. But, unfortunately, we can’t.

          • I do it every day. I can’t figure out why people always tell me my life is “impossible”.

            I don’t deal with masses of people; just one (or a few) at a time. Most people are only wanting to live and be left alone. There are a couple of people who can’t mind their own business who seem to want to spread their misery to everyone around, and when in their sights, things are not as happy. Unfortunately, one of these lives in my house. But, even at that, I don’t need government holding a gun on my head to keep me from attacking them, and apparently, neither do they need a government threat to keep from attacking me. Most of my discomfort in those situations is actually my own fault for letting a statist make me unhappy.

            Long ago, there was a time when I really didn’t like people too much. I was called a “hermit”. Once I shed that restrictive shell, and started living ethically as an anarchist, I started really liking people in general. They stopped being a threat to me or my life. Now, mindless evil collectives are still a threat, but I avoid government as much as humanly possible.

            • That might be good for you, but I was mainly talking about my household when I said we can’t. I guess we’re just so use to it, and I think we’re too old to. Besides, my mother lives with us, and we just can’t uproot her to some remote place.

              She has breathing problems and has to see her doctor on a regular basis, after all she 87 and not in the best of shape, mind wise, as well as physical, if you get what I mean.

              Don’t get me wrong Kent, I like people, just don’t like being around a whole lot. I like the feeling of solitude once in a while, and that’s something I don’t get very often.

              But I have to work for a living, and so does my husband, plus we are supporting my mother, as where my sister can’t help, because of her own problems she has to deal with. But, That’s another story. BTW, do you work or what?

              • I wasn’t talking about moving to a remote place. You can be free where you live right now. Well, maybe not in New Jersey. 😉

                I love solitude and never get any anymore. Except late at night in the house.

                I don’t have a “job” at this point in my life (not saying I don’t “work”, I just earn no money), but most of the ones I have had involved a lot of interactions with people. Like I say, the things I am talking about don’t require you to move into a cave (although I’ve always wanted to live in a cave, at least for a while).

              • Have to ask. If you do not work, then how do you pay for things? Never mind, I remember you telling me last night or the other night.

                No, I’m not talking about living in a cave either, just woild be nice to love somewhere wher your next door neighbor can’t hear you, no what I mean?

                The only solitude I really get around here, and I know you think this sounds crazy, is when I go shopping, or to be able to do things without having to take my mother with me. Don’t get me wrong, I love my mother with all my heart. but I take her to work with me everyday. Nobody available to watch her, and I can’t afford to take her to senior daycare. When she goes to bed at night, I sigh a sigh of relief just to be able to sit somewhere without her following me around like a puppy. She can not be left a lone for any time what so ever.

                So that,s what I mean about having some solitude, and not being around a whole lot of people, because I deal with them every single day.

              • Richmond Spitfire says:

                Hi Kent…Too funny…my brother lived in a cave in New Mexico for about 6 months. He loved it!

                Best Regards,
                RS

  42. A pro-family advocate is asking concerned parents and citizens to make their voices heard in Washington, DC, where Capitol Hill lawmakers are trying to counter a U.N. treaty that threatens parental rights.

    In a counter attack to the U.N. Rights of the Child treaty, the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House have introduced their own versions of a parental rights amendment. Opponents of the U.N. treaty believe that if it is ratified, American parents would lose their parental rights to a foreign entity. The parental rights amendment being considered in Congress would circumvent that. The House version, H.J. Resolution 42, has 116 sponsors, while the Senate version, S.J. Resolution 16, currently has five.

    Mike Farris, founder of the Home School Legal Defense Association and ParentalRights.org, wants concerned parents and individuals to blitz Capitol Hill and urge their lawmakers to support the parental rights amendment.
    Michael P. Farris
    “I’ve been writing a brief all day — it’s due in the Supreme Court next week — on whether or not the U.S. Supreme Court should use the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child to determine how to deal with juvenile criminals from Florida,” he explains. “And Americans should be making these decisions under American law, not international law. And the parental rights amendment would stop the Supreme Court from even entertaining the notion that the international law in the U.N. treaty would be applicable.”

    Farris notes that there is even language in the healthcare bill that is dangerous to parental rights. Now, he contends, is the time to voice concern — not later.

    • It is a major concern, no doubt.

      • When they take parental right away from us, then yes, it’s a major concern. Isn’t it bad enough now you can’t discipline without getting tagged as a child abuser. It is not up to the government or the UN to decide on how you discipline your kids. It’s going to be a matter of time before they take your kids away from you ,and raise them themselves. Thank God, my son’s are grown up now.

        • I remember when my niece was at the store with her 2 kids, they were pretty little at the time, and they were constantly touching and grabbing things off the shelves. She told them that they better start behaving or she was going to smack them. She told me that an old lady looked at her and said to her, if she smacked her kids, she was going to call the police on her, and my niece told the old lady to mind her own business, but she kept butting in. My niece finally told her if she doesn’t mind her own business, she was going to smack her as well. The old lady walked away.

          • BTW, her kids were not as young as you might think. They were like 10 and 11 years old at the time. Didn’t want to give anybody the wrong idea, that my niece always smacked her kids. They were just being brats, like kids can be. Just wanted to clarify that. BTW, her kids now are, son is 18, her daughter is 17.

  43. anoninnc

    Black Flag, on another day, and you referred me back to the post, you described in detail the process for candidate selection that you hold as meeting your standards; it was sound and viable and I learned much that day about your position and philosophy . . . or so I thought. But today, even that position seems dissolved in a philosophy that says that anyone who ever runs for office . . . will be corrupt. Period.

    There is no contradiction.

    You do not want someone who runs for office
    You want to pick your own candidate.

    However, danger lurks anywhere where those that believe in violence to enforce edicts.

    And that any vote of mine is wasted because whomever received my vote will trash it on the wasteheap of corruption.

    Unless, of course, he is your man from the start.

    And I long for better than that

    And you shall have it!

    There are more parts (promised, yet delivered) coming.

    But believe me, none will suggest voting for a President of the USA.

    • I hesitate to say this . . .

      Our President and his allies say that Healthcare system is broken, and broken to the point that it can not be fixed, it must be thrown out. And thrown out so that we can start over.

      I’m not in favor of that. Our system needs some modifications, some imporvements, and we can continue to debate those, but thrown out? No.

      But it sounds like that you have that opinion of our system of government, that it is thoroughly corrupted to the point that it can never be fixed or improved in its present constitutional format; that to survive we must throw it out . . . and start over.

      I’m not in favor of that either.

      But perhaps I am just simply too naive. . .

      • Why not toss out broken things? The healthcare system IS broken, but it was broken by socialism. More socialism won’t fix it. It would be simple and free to fix. Abolish the FDA and the DEA. End the war on (some) drugs. Stop allowing government to ration and regulate doctors. Let independent (and more realistic and honest) systems of accreditation arise. End the red tape associated with healthcare. Let people choose their own healthcare, and don’t force anyone to pay for other people’s medical bills. And tort reform: loser pays.

        Government is also broken. Replacing it with another inherently unstable and obsolete system, as any government is, won’t fix anything.

      • But, I’m not one to throw stones: I have a houseful of broken and obsolete junk that I won’t throw away due to “sentimental value”, too.

      • Kent has it right – it was broken day one – it just took years to see the cracks.

        So anoninnc , answer the same questions I asked DCGrrl (#46)

        • I don’t see those questions as relevant to this thread . . . and it is obvious we simply need to agree (already) to disagree.

          • The are specifically directed to the post you made of Health Care.

            I am confused. You spoke about Health Care needing ‘fixing’ – but do not see relevance to the thread?

            • Here is what I said: “I’m not in favor of that. Our system needs some modifications, some improvements, and we can continue to debate those, but thrown out? No.”

              “Modification” is not the same as “fixing.”

              My point was, even though Health Care may need some finetunig/improving (NOT what Obama is proposing) I am not in favor of throwing out the present system.

              • Anoninnc:

                I guess the answer to your question depends on YOUR VIEW of what “THROWN OUT” means.

                Same for MODIFICATION.

                Why not throw out the present health insurance system. Its bankrupting the nation and per the left it isn’t even providing decent care.

  44. DCGrrl

    . I am not the best economist. But I desperately want health coverage reform of some kind

    1)Why do you want health care reform?

    2)Why do you believe other people’s earning should pay for it?

    • Why do I want health coverage reform? I’ve said it before, but I have personally experienced a need for:
      1 – insurance for those with pre-existing conditions,
      2 – cost controls on COBRA
      3 – dental and vision wrapped in with other insurance: I see no reason to separate this out.

      I’m a liberal – in my dreams, taxes would go up and health coverage would become a public service, as would internet access. I’m willing to pay my fair share, I’m not just asking for ‘other people’ to pay. BUT – I know that’s not going to happen on this bill.

      If we’re going to stay within the current system, I’d be pleased if we could start with some regulation. Health insurance is not ‘insurance’ like car insurance. It’s coverage for your medical bills. And everyone needs it. Everyone needs a way to pay for checkups, physicals, shots or prescriptions. And unexpected emergencies.

  45. Okay, they’re at it again.

    September 15, 2009

    Dear Concerned American,

    The great pay-back has begun, and it’s going to be ugly.

    The gun grabbers in Congress are paying back the anti-gun extremists who put them and Barack Obama in office.

    Hi, this is Congressman Paul Broun from Georgia. I wish I had better news, but you and I are facing an assault on our gun rights like we’ve never seen before.

    You see, H.R. 45 is Barack Obama’s gun control package, and it includes the most vile anti-gun measures he’s supported over the years.

    It’s only the first step…

    …but it’s a HUGE step.

    H.R. 45 establishes a NATIONAL gun registry database of every gun and its owner — for the whole county! Your private information and every gun you own would be in the system.

    But that’s only if you succeed in buying a gun in the first place!

    And since H.R. 45 dramatically increases requirements for firearms purchases far beyond those ever proposed, you just might find youself incapable of buying a firearm once this bill takes effect.

    And it gets worse too.

    The National Association for Gun Rights has a survey ready for you to complete, but I want you to understand just how dangerous this bill is before I give you the link. Please bear with me for a moment.

    You see, H.R. 45 would establish a national gun registry database which would:

    * Increase requirements for firearms purchases, far beyond those ever proposed.

    * Create a national firearms registry overseen by the Federal Government.

    * Invoke Draconian penalties for bookkeeping errors related to the Federal Firearms Database.

    It gets worse though.

    Sarah Brady and her allies in Congress want to force you to take a written exam to prove that you are “fit” to exercise your Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms.

    I’m outraged by this, and I know you are too.

    I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that gun registration has historically laid the groundwork for total firearm confiscation. Citizen disarmament is the watchword of tyrants everywhere.

    In fact, the most brutal dictators of the last century were famous for their gun registration and confiscation schemes.

    But H.R. 45, Obama’s National Gun Registry and Citizen Disarmament Act, is more than just a forced registration of all firearms in America.

    The bill also makes it increasingly difficult to buy a gun in the first place.

    Taken right out of Sarah Brady’s Christmas wish list, H.R. 45 includes a laundry list of new restrictions on firearms purchases.

    In addition to the outrageous national gun registration requirement, H.R. 45 also requires you to:

    * Pass a written examination to purchase a firearm.

    * Release your medical records — including confidential mental health records — to the government to get your “fitness” to own a firearm approved.

    * Observe a two-day waiting period before all firearms purchases.

    * Pay a gun tax of $25 or more on all firearm purchases.

    Moreover, H.R. 45 bans all private firearms sales and maximizes penalties for minor clerical errors in dealing with the national gun registry.

    The list goes on and on. It’s enough to turn your stomach.

    I know I don’t have to tell you, but these restrictions make a mockery of the Constitution. “The Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” might as well say: “You have no rights.”

    If a two-day waiting period, a written exam and a gun tax aren’t infringing our rights, I don’t know what is!

    Even the Supreme Court’s recent Heller decision guaranteeing an individual’s right to own a firearm doesn’t hamper Barack Obama’s agenda one bit.

    In fact, it emboldens gun grabbers to pass legislation taxing ammunition, increasing registration requirements, and drastically limiting when, how and where you can use your firearm.

    That’s why I’ve decided to stand with the National Association for Gun Rights fight back against this radical scheme.

    They’re fully committed to stopping the efforts of the gun grabbers, but they need the help of grassroots gun owners like you.

    With liberals calling the shots in Washington, all supporters of the Second Amendment must join together, draw a line in the sand, and fight this battle to the end.

    We must make this gun-grab expensive and politically painful for the enemies of freedom. If we do, they’ll flinch … and LOSE.

    By mobilizing hundreds of thousands of grassroots gun owners across the country, the National Association for Gun Rights can put anti-gun politicians on the hot seat.

    Are you opposed to national gun registration?

    Are you opposed to a written examination to buy a gun?

    Are you opposed to a new $25 gun tax?

    Are you opposed to a total ban on private firearm sales?

    If you said “Yes” to these questions, click here to fill out a special survey the National Association for Gun Rights has prepared for you.

    Stopping un-Constitutional gun control bills like H.R. 45 may be NAGR’s top priority, but they need your help.

    The truth is, H.R. 45 is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Sarah Brady and her cohorts in Congress now have the support of a willing White House and won’t stop until they’ve reached their ultimate goal: A virtual ban on private, individual firearm ownership.

    It’s critical we do all we can.

    For Freedom and Liberty,

    Paul Broun
    U.S. Congressman (R-GA)
    National Association for Gun Rights

    P.S. The anti-gun extremists who helped put Obama in power are itching for pay-back — and here it comes.

    • Fortunately, this bill will never pass, one it does not have the Congressional support, second, it would never fly through the Supreme Court, as it is unConstitutional, not to mention that very few would abide by it and it’s unenforcable. Fear not my good friend, this will NEVER see a vote in Congress!

      G!

      • FYI:

        http://www.nraila.org/news/read/inthenews.aspx?ID=12810

        “An appeals court in Chicago has ruled that the federal, state or local government can require all citizens to register their firearms under penalty of law. A three-judge panel of the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals said that, even after the Supreme Court’s high-profile gun rights decision last year, the Second Amendment is no obstacle to mandatory gun registration.”

        • Dee, They too will be proven WRONG. Licenses and registration have been proven over time to apply to priveleges, not rights. Driving is a privy, owning a gun is not. Not to mention that I don’t give much weight to anything coming out of Chicago, it seems they are from another planet!

          G!

          p.s. hope today finds you well!

          • NoNoNo!!! Driving is NOT a privilege! Not that the gov hasn’t been pushing that lie hard for a LONG time. My Examiner column tomorrow will address that false meme. Anyway… I’m not upset at you, this is something that a lot of people have been brainwashed into believing.

            • I hope your right, and would like to read the article, could you link it?

              G!

            • Then why when you have to renew your tags on your car, it has a privilege tax on it. It does here in Reno anyway.

              • Judy and all,

                Driving is a right.

                You can take your car and drive on your property without a license, and no tags on your car.

                You need a license to drive on a GOVERNMENT highway. You need tags on your car to drive on a GOVERNMENT highway.

                There are no tags on a NASCAR car….

              • Flag

                Don’t know how it is where you live, but here, if you don’t have tags on you car even parked in front of your house, they ticket it. And, I’m talking about it being in your driveway, but if it’s in the street in front of your house, they’ll leave it a lone. Go figure.

                They are very strict here in Reno, and if you get stopped without an updated tag, you get a ticket, and that could be just a couple days after the month is ended when your tags are due. I guess maybe each state is different, I don’t know.

              • Judy,

                Though I don’t know the law in your area, I would be surprised that they have a right to ticket vehicles on private property – on the GOVERNMENT street – sure…

                But it maybe a bylaw or some weird State law…

              • Answering you at bottom. Squishy.

              • Cuz governments lie in order to steal more money from you.

          • G-Man,

            Thanks for the good wishes.

            I hope you are right about the gun issue.

        • Sometimes I wish we could just go back to the way it was, when you could carry firearms, and not worry about it, but that was then, and this is now.

          They would have I think an uprising if they passed that bill. Isn’t it enough that they want to take complete control our lives now. Maybe they want to do this, so nobody will shoot them. I think this whole government is getting out of hand. Too bad we couldn’t reverse the process, and do to them what they’re doing to us. Bet they wouldn’t like it one bit.

          • We can, but don’t have too, the government will destroy themselves.

            • Well, I sure do hope I live long enough to see that. But, if things keep going the way they are, maybe it will be sooner than later. I would so love to see that.

  46. Four Apparent Suicides/Deaths in 48 Hours – CEO-Financiers-Fundraiser

    Rockefeller & Co’s CEO committed suicide: report
    (Reuters) – James McDonald, chief executive officer of investment management firm Rockefeller & Co, committed suicide on Sunday in Massachusetts, the Wall Street Journal said, citing people familiar with the matter. – Read More

    Newport Beach financier Danny Pang dies at 42
    (LATimes) – Newport Beach financier Danny Pang died early Saturday at a local hospital, according to the Orange County coroner’s office. The cause of death has not been determined and an autopsy is planned for Sunday, said Larry Esslinger, supervising deputy coroner. – Read More

    Financier Finn Casperson dead in apparent suicide
    (Inquisitr) – Ex-CEO of Beneficial Corp. Finn H.W. Casperson was found dead in an apparent suicide behind an office building in Westerly, Rhode Island. – Read More

    Dying Blagojevich fundraiser said he overdosed, mayor says
    (CNN) – Police are investigating the death of the former chief fundraiser for ex-Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich as a “death-suicide,” an Illinois mayor said Sunday.

    …I wonder if they are linked? Do they know something?

  47. Never in the history of the United Nations has a U.S. President taken the chairmanship of the powerful UN Security Council. Perhaps it is because of what could arguably be a Constitutional prohibition against doing so.

    Section 9 of the Constitution says:

    No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

    I wonder if there will be a suit.

  48. On Fox News now, another Acorn video from California, this time with a white women doing the dirty deed. ACORN needs to be destroyed!

    G!

  49. BF

    Okay, you want to hear something I think is absurd, but, it’s the honest truth, and you know I don’t lie.

    If you have a junky car parked in the street in front of your house, they leave it alone, but if that same car is parked in your driveway, they make you move it. I know, because that’s happened to us. All I know is, that if you car is parked in your driveway without recent tags, a ticket. My son has a 96 vet parked in our garage, but with the front facing the street, because he said he didn’t want to get a ticket for not having tags on it. Yep, they really scrutinize you if you have more than 2 cars parked in your driveway, on the street, or in your garage. Doesn’t make any sense does it? Right now we have all 3 of his cars here because there is something wrong with all of them. Minor things, but none the less. Problem is getting enough money together to get them fixed and out of here. Right now, he is driving his brother’s truck until he can get his cars fixed.

    • Oh wait, I forgot to tell you how many cars we have parked here. Mine in the garage, my son’s vet, his Tahoe next to our fence which is next to the driveway, his Mercedes in front of the house in the street, my husbands Sequoia in the driveway, not to mention when my other son comes over his 2004 monte carlo, plus his truck if his brother isn’t using it. There, I think that’s enough cars parked in front of our house, don’t you.

      • Somebody needs to sell some cars 🙂

        • I’m back. Sure, try and get my son to sell his cars. Vet is suppose to be for the summer, but like I said, it’s needs a couple things done. Tahoe he uses in the winter, especially in the snow. Mercedes, well, he’s been thinking about selling that one, he’s not sure. But you know what BF, they are his cars, and I figure if he could afford them, then so what. He makes good money in the Army, but just can’t decide which one to get fixed.

          The Tahoe is the one that is going to be the most expensive one to get fixed, that one needs a little more than minor stuff. New brakes, new bearings in one of the wheels, and a couple of other things, that’s why he’s going to all these different schools and places, he gets paid pretty good for that. He’s outside right now putting in a new alternator in his Mercedes.

          I told them both, we could open up our own used car lot. Heck we have a dryer outside waiting for some one to take that. Sold the old washer for $40, I guess when you go by our house, it looks like a rednecks yard. But, it will be back to normal soon.

  50. Taking a break for now, be back later.

  51. Wow!! This is depressing…

    However, it is well-received and I thank you all for your invaluable input. As for me, I simply look to history insofar as even though we’re supposed to learn from it, in reality we keep making it worse year after year.

    There is one single constant in history: Humankind has been unable to refrain from beating, attacking, overthrowing, droning, smart-bombing, and other means of destruction since its inception. The one constant is the action called WAR.

    None of us want to face it and you betcha, it’s going to cost America dearly before, during, and after it concludes. No! I’m not talking about Armageddon or any other form of eschatology here.

    Something along the lines of WWII with short range nukes (small) as well as frequency manipulations (eyes, ears,and heads bursting)and a lot of very unkind acts done with humankind.

    Humankind is full of arrogance, greed, and lies through its teeth; so what if America defaults on a few outstanding loans? Seriously, who owns Hawaii and the West Coast of the USA?

    We need to spend our money wisely; understand this…it’s going to happen so why not start stock piling as much as possible now? In reality who needs health care reform? From marriage to religion we’ve been sold out in this country…raw. So why not be realists and prepare? Cheers!!

    jps

  52. The Congressional Budget Office and the White House Office of Management and Budget say billions are being wasted on projects that are not needed or duplicative — and experts say one reason the federal budget is out of control is that Congress and the president rarely agree on what to cut.

    But there are several programs that both have agreed need trimming.

    FOX News compared two lengthy reports from the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and Congressional Budget Office (CBO) on recommended cuts.

    Here is what the experts on both sides of Pennsylvania Ave. agree wastes your money:

    Rural Boost
    The Denali Commission was created 10 years ago to bring infrastructure and improve health facilities to rural Alaska, with similar programs in Appalachia and the Mississippi Delta. The government spends $17 million annually through grants, loans and tax incentives.

    The OMB says the program is “duplicative” and points out 29 other programs in the “federal government that accomplish” the same goals. It even raises the question if “these initiatives are providing positive results.”

    The CBO has also recommended that that cuts be made to all three areas that benefit from funding — a saving of $100 million worth of taxpayer money.

    Power of the Future
    The “Nuclear Power 2010 Program” is a seven-year-old joint government-industry program to develop nuclear power that would feature advanced nuclear plant technologies. As taxpayers we’ve already paid $500 million. Now the CBO says we can save $600 million because “it is inappropriate to provide public subsidies for projects whose risks would otherwise be prohibitive to private enterprise”

    Like Wine For Chocolate
    The Market Access Program uses federal money to help U.S. food producers, exporters, and private companies finance promotional activities overseas. Today it is a bloated $200 million corporate welfare program where taxpayers subsidize the biggest names American business.

    Both the CBO and OMB recommend $40 million be cut because “taxpayers’ money should not advertise brand-name products like Gallo Wines, Dole Fruit and M&M’s.”

    Say No to Drugs
    The aim of The Safe and Drug Free Schools is to support programs that prevent violence in and around schools, prevent the illegal use of alcohol, tobacco and drugs, while promoting academic achievement. It doles out $300 million a year to stop violence and drug use in low income schools. The White House calls the program”profoundly flawed” and the CBO says there is no evidence it reduces violence or drug use.

    Future Warriors
    Future Combat Systems is the largest development effort in Army history to create a fast and flexible battlefield network and aided by high tech vehicles. But the White House wants to cancel almost half of it. It says the vehicles being developed are less reliable and more vulnerable than the Howitzers, troop carriers and fighting vehicles currently used by the Army. After $159 billion invested, both agencies say it’s time to cut bait on the vehicle portion of FCS.

    Even Start
    The Even Start program gives 20,000 low income families $3,000 a year to improve their education. Grants support local family literacy projects that integrate early childhood education, adult literacy, parenting education, and interactive parent and child literacy activities for those eligible. But national evaluations say the $66 million a year program is ineffective. Half the families using it quit after 10 months and the others failed to perform as expected, according to the OMB.

    Now the question is what will Congress do in the next two weeks? Will they cut programs their own auditors say don’t work — or will they continue to throw good money after bad on policies experts say simply don’t work?

  53. I just heard Jimmy Carter say, that the animosity towards Obama is because he’s black. Please, give me a break. It’s not because he’s black, it’s because it’s what his policies are. When will this race bit stop? Yes, I know, it won’t. Never will. You can’t say anything against this president without being called racist, and I for one am damn tired of it.

    • Judy, Don’t be fooled by the racist stuff, it’s only a ploy. Divide and destroy, that’s the only card they can play because their ideals suck. As we have learned here, if you can’t debate, then resort to calling names, a left wing staple. Not fooling me, don’t let them fool you, just hold your ground.

      G!

      • I’m not fooled G, just getting awfully tired of the race bit all the time. No matter what anybody says, ” OH You’re a racist”. I have never heard so many people being called a racist these days. I am not a racist person, but I’ll be damned if I keep my mouth shut if I have something to say, I don’t give a rats behind what color the person is. I get disgusted with the whole lot of them, you know.

        • BTW G, I’m sorry, but I neglected to ask how everything is going for you? Hope all is well with you. Hope you dad is doing good, and your lovely daughter, Leah.

          • All is well, Heading bck to the mountains for the weekend, going to get some scouting (for deer hunting) time in on Saturday. Like Kent, I too can live in a cave, and like it! Hope all is well with you as well.

            G!

            • Things are fine, kind of slow at work right now, but still have work to do, stuff that came in a few days ago. Going to the air races this weekend. This time we get better views of everything. Going to go where Christopher’s girlfriend works which is pretty close to the runway. Don’t need tickets as long as we’re with her.

              Going to BBQ and have a bunch of other stuff. Suppose to be quite a few people there, so it should be fun. I love watching planes, and jets and anything that flies really. In the plane department that is.

    • I got blocked from a “progressive’s” blog because when he wrote that all libertarians were white and racist, I felt compelled to refute him. The more I read, the more obvious it was which of us really judged people on “race”. So, I called him on it and he blocked me. I admit, I did break his cardinal rule, which was in his “terms of posting”: he demanded that no one call HIM “racist”. LOL! It’s the only time I have ever been blocked from anywhere. Look up “Robert Lindsey” if you want to expose yourself to this disgusting outlook. The blog I had commented on has been deleted since then after being reported as “objectionable”.

      • See, you can’t say anything, but it’s okay for them to say things right. Oh, don’t get me started here before I really let loose, and I’m trying very hard to remain a lady.

      • Kent, The left don’t take being called out to well, apparently their either always right (in their own mind) or everyone is a racist. Laughable.

        G!

  54. Ive been reading for the last hr, Gman judy and everyone else your doing a great job now ill tell you what i think
    were in deep poop and up to our necks and its getting deeper. Im 68 years old and i know i wont see a raise in ss for the next 2 years. Ive never canned a thing in my life but ive got a lot of hrs doing it. . I asked a friend whats a good stock to buy he told me to invest in canned food and ammo. Im doing that and every american better start because this country is going to the dogs But as long as i live ill fly my American Flag and my POW flag Can food and shoot the first person that tries to take my Country or my guns away, And i have a lot of friends that feel the same way us wepons hope the wife is doing better we will pray for her God Bless America whitehorn

  55. Well I’m out. Pretty tired from all this chatting today, LOL

    Have a good night everyone and catch you here tomorrow.

    Sweet and Pleasant dreams:

    Judy

  56. I have compassion but this is crazy.

  57. I DON’T KNOW IF ANYBODY SAW THIS STATEMENT OR NOT, BUT A FEW MONTHS AGO, OBAMA SENT HILARY TO CHINA AND SHE TOOK WITH HER A DOCUMENT GIVING CHINA EMINENT DOMAIN IN USA, CHINA CAN CLAIM ANY CITY AT ANY TIME IF WE DON’T PAY THE MONEY BACK. ALSO A LONG TIME AGO, SEVERAL YEARS, I REMEMBER DURING A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ONLY 33 PERENT OF THE VOTERS WHO COULD VOTE, DID. AMERICANS WE MESSED UP BIG TIME. TOO MUCH TROUBLE TO VOTE, SEE WHAT HAPPENED. NOW REID IN NEVADA, I AM DISABLED, YEARS AGO I DROVE A BUS FOR DISABLED SENIORS, IRONIC, THE SENIORS I TOOK TO LUNCH, TO DRUGSTORE, TO DR.APPOINTMENTS AND WHEN THE SUBJECT OF HARRY REID CAME UP THEY ALL LAUGHED, SAID HE WAS SUCH A FOOL, AND NOBODY PAID MUCH ATTENTION TO HIM, BUT A USUAL NOT PURSUING A SUBJECT HURTS, REID WON HIS POST BY SENIORITY, HE JUST OUTLASTED THE ONES WHO RETIRED ETC. SO MANY PEOPLE THINK ONLY I VOTE DOESN’T MATTER, BUT IT DOES. OREGON, WE VOTE BY MAIL, IT IS GOOD FOR ME, I VOTE, MAIL THE NEXT DAY. I REMEMBER SEEING THE ACORN YOUNG MAN WHO SAID HE HAD REGISTERED VOTER NAMES, OVER 77 NAMES AND HE WAS PAID 5. FOR EACH NAME. ACORN ROTTEN AS IT IS BEING PROVED. OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALL CONSEQUENCES TO HIM. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS WHO POST ON THIS GREAT SITE.

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  59. The spirit of bipartisan cooperation didn’t survive the first day of the 111th Congress as House Democrats pushed through a package of rule changes Tuesday that the furious Republican minority said trampled their traditional rights to affect legislation.

    California Rep. David Dreier, ranking Republican on the House Rules Committee, called the procedural changes engineered by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, an “act of pure cynicism,” in stark contrast to the promises of President-elect Barack Obama to work with Republicans to pass major bills.

    “So much for the Obama vision,” said Mr. Dreier, who said the changes would create “the most closed Congress in history.”

    House Democrats said the changes were needed to end what they said was an “abuse” of the previous rules by the minority, to torpedo bills likely to pass.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/07/house-faces-early-partisan-fight-over-rules/

    I see the bad moon arising.
    I see trouble on the way.
    I see earthquakes and lightnin’.
    I see bad times today.

    Don’t go around tonight,
    Well, it’s bound to take your life,
    There’s a bad moon on the rise.

    I hear hurricanes are blowing.
    I know the end is coming soon.
    I fear rivers over flowing.
    I hear the voice of rage and ruin.

    Don’t go around tonight,
    Well, it’s bound to take your life,
    There’s a bad moon on the rise.
    All right!

    Hope you got your things together.
    Hope you are quite prepared to die.
    Looks like we’re in for nasty weather.
    One eye is taken for an eye.

    Don’t go around tonight,
    Well, it’s bound to take your life,
    There’s a bad moon on the rise.

    Don’t go around tonight,
    Well, it’s bound to take your life,
    There’s a bad moon on the rise.

    CCR

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