Tuesday Night Open Mic for October 13, 2009

Open Mic 1The first night of my busy week comes and here I am on time to post open mic! I am pleased to be able to do so! It has been quite a week of news this week. We had the Senate beginning debate on the health care bill being offered by Senator Baucus. We had the White House declare war on Fox News (for the record this bothers me to no end, because now it seems that every time I flip over to Fox hoping to find news, they are doing nothing more than whining about the White House coming after them). We have had the continued wait for an answer on the next step in Afghanistan. And above all else, we had a President that won the Nobel Peace Prize while having not done a single thing to have earned it, even by his own admission (thus finally relegating the Nobel committee as useless to any American who didn’t already think so after they awarded it to Al Gore or Yasar Arafat). But here are some other topics for your perusal. I look forward to your topics as well.


  1. USWeapon Topic #1

    Suppressed Bush-Era Finding on Global Warming Released

    A controversial e-mail message buried by the Bush administration because of its conclusions on global warming surfaced Tuesday, nearly two years after it was first sent to the White House and never opened.

    The e-mail and the 28-page document attached to it, released Tuesday by the Environmental Protection Agency, show that back in December of 2007 the agency concluded that six gases linked to global warming pose dangers to public welfare, and wanted to take steps to regulate their release from automobiles and the burning of gasoline.

    The document specifically cites global warming’s effects on air quality, agriculture, forestry, water resources and coastal areas as endangering public welfare.

    Read the rest of the article at Fox News (Unless you are afraid the White House will ban you): http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/10/13/suppressed-bush-era-finding-global-warming-released/?test=latestnews

    I tend to take issue with the way that things are concluded from the things that are actually said. First, was the email buried or simply ignored? The article says Bush buried it and then follows that with saying that it was never opened. Which is it? Second, the article stated that the agency “concluded that six gases linked to global warming pose dangers to public welfare,” and then follows that up with making the false link of linking the dangers of those gases to global warming. It is akin to making the argument:

    Black ink dye makes your shirt black

    Black ink is a bad thing for you to drink.

    Therefore, your shirt is bad for you to drink.

    I get that radical environmentalists believe manmade global warming is real. I get that they think these six gases cause said hoax. And they believe these six gases are bad for us to inhale. Using the false logic buster, I conclude that these three things do not equal global warming causes those things they claim.

    The other side of me that lives in the world of accountability says that if Bush buried this report it was pretty stupid. It isn’t because I trust the EPA at all, because the fact that they were the ones that released this report is a good reason to dismiss it, not a good reason to believe it has more credibility. However, if there was a finding from the EPA, I am not a fan in any way of the government hiding the report. It certainly doesn’t surprise me, as it seems the game the government plays well is force-feeding false information while keeping anything that the public could use to actually learn or figure out the truth is kept locked away.

    • I find the disclosure timing suspect. The hoax of global warming is being figured out by the masses, jepordizing the whole scam. I think its quite possible that this email was created to distract those with wavering faith by appealing to their hatred of President Bush. My thoughts from crackpot land. 🙂

    • bottom line says:

      USW – “First, was the email buried or simply ignored? The article says Bush buried it and then follows that with saying that it was never opened. Which is it?”

      Ignored. If the “W” administration had intended to bury it…it wouldn’t have been found.

    • I thought about saying this yesterday but thought something would come up in open mic for me to say it.

      This weekend I was watching a program on the science channel talking about how the earth formed and plate tectonics and all kinds of stuff. The thing I found interesting is that when they got to the end of the program they said “We are just now coming out of the last ice age.”

      So wait, I thought science was trying to make us believe that it is man made global warming, what is all this “coming out of the last ice age” stuff coming from the science channel when they run programs at the same time talking about man made global warming. I cannot stand when they talk about the past heating and cooling of the earth and man made global warming at the same time.

    • Any of the science fantasy associating CO2 with global warming or as I like to laud it “CO2 linked to stupidity, proof pending” needs to be taken with a grain of salt the size of a VW Microbus. The more the data gets hidden/deleted/sequestered in the Marianas Trench or having been accidentally left inside the control access panel of some probe destined for that plasma furnace in the sky, the more its virility is questioned and the power to incite panic outside of the faithful goes limp.

  2. USWeapon Topic #2

    Rush Limbaugh’s NFL Bid For Rams Attacked By Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson

    The Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson attacked the bid by Rush Limbaugh to buy the St. Louis Rams on Monday, saying the conservative radio host’s track record on race should exclude him from owning an NFL team.

    Sharpton sent a letter to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, arguing that Limbaugh has been divisive and “anti-NFL” in some of his comments.

    Jackson said in a telephone interview that Limbaugh had made his wealth “appealing to the fears of whites” with an unending line of insults against blacks and other minorities.

    Read the rest of the Article at the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/rush-limbaughs-nfl-bid-fo_n_318174.html

    As many of you know I am not a fan of Rush Limbaugh. But I don’t understand why people have anything to say about his attempt to purchase the St. Louis Rams of the NFL. Allow me to first say that I find it deplorable the way that he was treated over the statement he made about Donovan McNabb. He was honest enough to come out and say what lots of people were thinking. For that he got fired. Now I have been reading the different articles on this subject, and I am finding all kinds of absolutely false statements being attributed to Limbaugh.

    And let’s not forget, we don’t see anything coming from these two blowhards addressing the fact that we see NFL players over and over becoming examples of what not to do or how not to act. I don’t care if Limbaugh buys the Rams. Should we have anything to say about this? Or is it really none of our business, meaning that this is a business transaction, and for all those on the left that hate the idea, remember that the other owners in the league are those same industrialists and wealthy white men you despise at every turn.

    • Sounds like our esteemed Reverends are trying to get back in the spotlight. I tune in to Rush’s program (first hour anyway) and have never heard him say anything racist. The word racist being defined by the old Webster’s Dictionary, not the NewSpeak definition of racist.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      You said it best USW – WHO CARES! Rush is an idiot. Jackson and Sharpton are media whores. Why do I care if he wants to buy the Rams and why the hell is it any of my business?

      I’d be interested in your views on McNabb – I’m a bit surprised you’d stand by potentially hateful commentary without a lot to back up – would be interested in side barring this if you’re going to be on the board today.

      • Kristian Stout says:

        Ditto Ray, I thought the same thing about this when I heard it.

      • If you would listen to Rush and not the interpretation of Rush by the media, you would understand that his statment on McNabb was a jab at the media and their presentation of McNabb not McNabb. He was calling the media racists.

        • T-Ray

          Or, at best he was calling them COWARDS because they wouldn’t comment on McNabb’s performance because they were afraid of being labeled as racists.

        • Agreed, that’s trhe way I read it at the time too.

        • McNabb was over-rated at the time. After the comments from Rush, he seemed to work harder and improve his game. Win-win situation IMHO

        • v. Holland says:

          I agree-I think Rush gets quoted on one liners which are taken out of context. He does say things just to push buttons but most people if they really listened to him would just laugh or shake their heads because they can detect the sarcasm in his remarks, he is after all trying to entertain and promote discussion and nothing does that better than pushing peoples buttons. After all he is not a politically correct politician-thank goodness!

    • Well, I only despire Ralph Wilson but not because he’s a bad guy (he’s a great guy, I’m sure). I despise him not because he’s wealthy either. I despire him because he’s a LOSER.

      As to Rush … let him buy who he wants. I haven’t gone to a professional sporting event in ten years and I doubt I’ll ever go to another one (but that has more to do with the prices at stadiums and the atmosphere–allowing people to get falling down drunk in the parking lots prior to the games).

      Frankly, I’d love to see Limbaugh get into the NFL but only because it would be great to see the massive boycotts of any team he has a slice of. I was hoping the Philadelphia dog killing Eagle fans would boycott those games but once again, the power of the purse shuts down the power of the people without a blink.

      I do understand players wanting to boycott the bigot and some NFL owners are already distancing themselves politically … and that makes sense too.

      On McNabb … I used to hear his over rated a lot but I don’t agree. The guy wins on a very consistent basis. I wish we had him in Buffalo … then again, if we did, our No huddle/No win offense would probably finish off the rest of his ribs by the 4th quarter of the 1st game he played for us.

      Captain Lou Albano died … a moment of silence, please.

    • As I asked on other blogs of a vastly more left leaning nature, “With all the billions of sentences spoken by someone so blatant in his opinionated verbosity, why resort to making them up yourself?”

  3. USWeapon Topic #3

    Just an informal poll here. I know that there are plenty of folks on this site who are not fans of Barack Obama. I am interested in hearing from anyone who wants to share what the reasons are for that dislike. Some of the thoughts that I can think of come down to this:

    1. Those who think he is a good person and is doing what is best for the country.
    2. Those who think he is a good person who is simply misguided because he was taught by marxists.
    3. Those who think he has bad intentions and is actually trying to change the fundamental American way of existence.

    I am interested in hearing from everyone as to whether they like the President. I would ask that if you answer, provide at least a little bit of background as to why.

    • Good Morning!

      As my brain gets going this morning, I would like to say that when he was elected, I thought it might help move the racial divide into a far better direction. Sadly, Congress has made sure that isn’t the case. I’ll add more later.


    • bottom line says:

      3. Those who think he has bad intentions and is actually trying to change the fundamental American way of existence.

      He is completely aware of what he’s doing. He isn’t stupid.

      I watched this on PBS a few years ago:

      One by one, a group(a couple dozen) of small(approx 5yr old) children were taken into a room with a table and chairs. The child was seated in the chair with a box in front of it on the table. The psychologist would explain to the child that they were going out of the room for a minute and instructed them to NOT look in the box until they came back. They made it clear to the child that they would definitely see what was in the box, just not ’till they came back in the room. Then they left the room. (All of this being filmed through a 2 way mirror). After they came back in the room they would ask the child if they looked in the box. They would then do as promised and show them the toy inside and even let them take it home.

      As expected, almost all of the children looked in the box. Most admitted doing so when asked if they had looked.

      A few lied.

      Further investigation concluded that the children that lied also happened to be the most intelligent.

      The smartest kids weighed it out like this:
      If I fess up to looking, then I am 100% busted. If I lie, then there is still a chance I wont get busted. How would she know anyway? She was out of the room. I’ll take my chances and lie.

      They had a deeper understanding of the situation and were able to factor in chance & probability.

      The first thing that came to mind when seeing this was…”I did not have sexual relations with that woman” – William Jefferson Clinton.

      They all lie. Politicians are crooks. It’s never about what’s right. It’s always about what they can get away with.

      Another exmple is the wording the “W” administration used when making the case for invading Iraq. Why was it “We have no doubt” rather than “we’re positive”. There is a difference between the two. They knew there were no WMD. Why do you think they NEVER said that they were positive. I knew they were full of it as soon as I recognized a pattern of “no doubt”.

      BHO? yeah he’s full of it too. Why all the vague language during the campaign? Why didn’t he fully elaborate on what “CHANGE” meant. When he said “We are 5 days away from fundamentally changing America” why didn’t he continue to tell exactly how?

      A: Because he knew he wouldn’t get elected. He weighed out chance and probability and tried it anyway …And suceeded. He’s a dishonest man.

      How many examples can you think of where BHO and others have demonstrated this very thing that I speak of?

      If You Can’t Dazzle Them With Brilliance… Baffle Them With Bullsh*t.

    • I actually would say I’m in group 1. I just don’t think the same way he does. I don’t dislike Obama, I dislike his policies.

      One thing that bothers me about Obama is how good he is at double-speak. Like any politician he blathers about how he’s trying to make this country better, but he rarely ever uses specifics. I always say Obama is who you want him to be. His speeches are specially tuned to incorporate everyone by being so vague and broad. If you want gay marriage, he’s fighting for it. If you believe in traditional marriage, he’s a Christian who believes in the sanctity of marriage…

      I know that’s politics for you, but it makes me wary.

      • bottom line says:


        I think you’re rationalizing.

        JB – “I actually would say I’m in group 1. I just don’t think the same way he does. I don’t dislike Obama, I dislike his policies.”

        JB – “…bothers me about Obama…”

        JB – “Obama is who you want him to be. His speeches are specially tuned to incorporate everyone by being so vague and broad”

        JB – “…but it makes me wary.”

        Group 1. – Those who think he is a good person and is doing what is best for the country.

        Why would you be bothered and/or wary of his vagueness if you genuinely think he is a good person and is doing what is best for the country? Why be suspicious of what you believe are good intentions?

        I’m curious, did you vote for him?

        • I think he has good intentions, but I don’t know exactly what they are, that is what makes me wary. I’m bothered by his vagueness because he could lead the country where we don’t want to go (though he believes it is the best direction, we may not). He may be doing what he thinks is right, but how do we know what that is. Perhaps I’m in subgroup 1(a). He is a good person and is doing what he thinks is best for the country. Does that clear things up a bit?

          FYI, I am a Canadian citizen and hence was not allowed to vote. I will become a US citizen this year, though, and am looking forward to voting next year!

          • bottom line says:

            Group 2. Those who think he is a good person who is simply misguided because he was taught by marxists.

            Note: I think it would have been better to leave out the “because he was taught by marxists” Not that I disagree, just that it was kinda pointed.

            Maybe you fall between Groups 1 & 2. Or perhaps Group 4: Those who still aren’t quite sure what to make of him?

            • BL,

              Remember I was only listing the different reasons that I could think of that I heard others state. There are a fair number of folks out there who say he was taught by marxists and therefore looks at things through that filter. People were free to make up their own answers, I was just getting it started.

              • bottom line says:

                Yeah I hear ya. I wasn’t really trying to be critical. I just know that sometimes answers don’t fit the choices provided and that if it were stated in a little more general fashion, it may cover more folks. That’s all. Years ago I used to work in broadcasting doing surveys. I kinda get nit picky sometimes.

          • bottom line says:

            JB – FYI, I am a Canadian citizen and hence was not allowed to vote. I will become a US citizen this year, though, and am looking forward to voting next year!

            Thank you for comming here legally and assimilating. I appreciate your respect for our laws and way of life. I’m sure that you will make a great addition.

        • Definitely a 3. This man was elected by ACORN and the Media. Brian Williams and others had multiple orgasms just being in His Presence. Read “A Slobbering Love Affair” and you will be amazed (or maybe not, it’s all so predictable).

          I believe he knows exactly what is going on. However, I also feel he is just a puppet to something much larger than himself. The unions, trial lawyers and so many others are owed favors.

          I hope he wakes up one day and says, “I just can’t do this anymore”, kind of like Keanu in the movie “Devil’s Advocate”. He had his riches, but at what cost?

          So, I pray the man has a conscience and sees the consequences. Or maybe he just doesn’t give a shit?

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      As a registered Democrat and as someone who voted for him and as someone who has made increasing effort to not just ‘hear’ but to understand:

      1. I think he is a good person
      2. I think his personality and ‘presence’ have masked what, at the end of the day, really is politics as usual
      3. I think he wants what is best for the Country
      4. I think he is not always sure what is best for the Country
      5. I think many who voted for him where snowed by the persona and were not really sure who they were voting for or really why
      6. I think he has done a great job of delivering promise and delivering enthusiasm and delivering an uplift in ‘mood’ – unfortunately there is little substance in any of that.
      7. I think the circus surrounding politics (which politics is part of), and powerful money interests (the likes of Soros AND the likes of the Koch) and hate radio/TV (Beck, Limbaugh, Olbermann, Schultz) divert people from sharpened focus on the issues and performance – instead we focus on low level bozos like Van Jones.

      My thoughts almost a year after election? Nice guy, great speaker, lots of promise, but shaping up to be an empty suit.

      We suck and we know it and we’re doing jack shit about it.

      • Average White Guy says:

        Good job explaining what took me too long to try to articulate.

        The part I’d like to highlight

        …I think the circus surrounding politics (which politics is part of)…

    • Kristian Stout says:

      They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I think that he has good intentions but his idea of good and my idea of good are 2 completely different things. I do know this, the man isn’t stupid and he knows exactly what he’s doing, he just envisions a different outcome than what he’s actually setting us up for.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      I think that Barack Obama is trying to do what HE thinks is best for the country.

      I also think that what HE thinks is best for the country has absolutely nothing to do with the founding principles of the country.

      Therefore, I think he is out to radically change the country from what it was intended to be, because I do not think he likes what it was intended to be, and highly desires to remake it into something he thinks that it should be.

      People that agree with him that the original design of the country was “bad” are probably fine with him doing just that.

      People who still understand freedom and liberty probably don’t like him very much. I would fall into that category.

      So in summary, I think he is doing what he feels is best for the country, which is in many ways contrary to the principles the country was founded on. Make sense?

    • 4. He is a man with a criminal mind, who uses legal violence to enforce his beliefs.

      • bottom line says:

        You can’t break it down any further than that. Too bad your statement isn’t unique to BHO.

      • Average White Guy says:

        What president doesn’t fit this description? To my knowledge they all use political force (congress passing bills) and/or legal violence (wars,police, etc.) to enforce their own vision for this country (and sometimes other countries.)

        Does this make them intrinsically evil or does this just mean they were simply too far in the system to think individually?

        Does this mean the government is intrinsically evil or does it just reinforce that people in massive groups are idiotic and self-destructive?

        I figure I know-abouts where you stand but no harm in asking nonetheless.

        • I’m not Black Flag, but I would answer “all of the above” to your questions.

          Peace! and welcome to the site


        • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

          Government is intrinsically evil (no matter who is in charge) because is is the monopolization of the self-proclaimed right to use force against both the violent and the non-violent.

          It is the fact that government claims the right to use force and/or the threat of force against the non-violent that makes it evil.

    • Originally I would have said 2 but it is looking more and more like 3. It is hard to discount the takeover of banking, autos, healthcare, student loans, energy, states rights, etc. without considering if their is a grand plan. I have not heard him say “I hear you America”. It is full steam ahead regaardless of what people say. He is not modifying any of his approach. In the past, we heard about exit plans for the wars. What are the exit plans for autos, banking, etc? Yes, he was vague and is vague because the if he stated his true intentions, he would not be in office.

    • My thought is:
      3. Those who think he has bad intentions and is actually trying to change the fundamental American way of existence.

      His roots eminate from communism. It is his belief that “spreading the wealth around” is a good thing. He has no grasp of individual liberty, and is doing everything in his power to limit that most important aspect of being an US citizen. It is said that you can judge someone by who he chooses to associate with. The list of communist/progressive/socialists that he has long time associations with is almost neverending and he has appointed many to his cabinet or made Czars out of them.

      Everything he passes or attempts to pass is an emergency. With barley 15% of the so called stimulus package spent, the economy is (arguably) showing signs of recovery…what is to say that if there was no stimulus, it would be in the same or better shape.

      He has shown that he favors BIG government at every turn. He orchestrated the government takeover of industry (car companies), and banks, and wants to handcuff almost all industry with cap and trade, and now wants government control of healthcare. He is a progressive that believes that the government knows what is best for you rather than you knowing what is best for you.

      He has shown no savvy in foreign relations. He berates US policies and continually apologizes for US actions, with no mention of the good things this country has accomplished. He seemingly befriends radical dictators and shows no cordiality to allies of the US…he is truly inexperienced.

      If this is not enough for you US, just let me know…I can add to this list.

    • 2. Those who think he is a good person who is simply misguided because he was taught by marxists.

      I have not seen him torture any kittens or puppies, so he may be a good person, he does come off that way. But I question him attending a church that preached hate for so many years. If you agree with a person who advocates hate, but do not use hate speak yourself, where does that leave you? Guilty by association, or innocent?

      The people he has surrounded himself with seem to act as if any means is justified by the ending of promoting their agenda. He has made statements that if he did not know they were false when made, was made aware after it was pointed out by the media. He has not ever recanted any false statements, which is a clear indication of a dishonest person. Remember his promise of transparency. So can you be a good person and lie? I think the bible says no to that.

      3. Those who think he has bad intentions and is actually trying to change the fundamental American way of existence.

      History has shown us that marxist/socialist societies have poorer standards of living, freedom and quality of life than a free society. Obama has been pretty clear that he supports moving us in that direction. The media has distorted his words, and distorted this issue. His intentions are to change the fundamental American way of existence. I think that makes him a bad person. Hey, I arrived at a conclusion!!! I vote #3.

    • It is not like I haven’t met people like him before, I have met a lot of them. What they say is not what they think. Their actions tell us what they really think.

      BHO hates the United States, hates his mother, hates his Grandmother, hates his father hates the entire system. The man is mentally a basket case.

      We all know that the formative years are most important in becoming who we are. Here is someone who never belonged and knew it. We all have experienced this to greater or lesser degrees in life. In his case he was exposed to constant familial rejection and ultimately dumped on his grandparents. Who knows how that realy went?

      I find it amazing that we have never heard from his friends in his youth, from his sister, from his classmates and neighbors. Correct me if I am wrong but I cannot remember a president where the press did not try to establish background. All we know is he was born, had a Kenyan Father who abandoned him early but whom he supposedly has great respect for,(hence the book), a mother who died early and abandoned him too, he went to college, worked as an organizer, moved to Chicago, got married and had two children. Where is the meat? What were his youthful aspirations?

      If you want to understand what makes him tick, you need a psychological profile. The pretty smile and facile words don’t mean a thing.

    • He might be a good guy. I wouldn’t know. He’s a very charismatic individual with a good line of shit. He is, however, a politician representing one of the two major parties (which I find useless) … so, therefore, is he.

      “Taught by marxists” is stretching it a bit. I wish he was anywhere near that much to the left. He’s not. Not by a longshot.

      He might have “good” intentions, but he’s bought into the american political game and knows they’ll never come about (like national health insurance).

    • Average White Guy says:

      I certainly think that if you take the presidential element out of BHO he is a human being who cares about his family, empathizes with the general populace, and holds at least a few ethical values of his own. Being brought up a minority gives him a different world view, one that may not mesh so nicely with the majority.

      I felt that when he was elected he wasn’t trying to be America’s first black president in the hope that he could try to erase a history of oppression with fairy dust. I do however think that some of his issues are a little more pertinent to the minority (maybe trying to give minorities a boost up with his healthcare plan and programs) than the wishes of the majority (less tax, less government spending.) Perhaps an artifact of his worldview?

      Don’t mind the guy, but I hate the direction that he’s going. But who said being prez was easy? Anything you do you are going to both delight and enrage the people. The hope is, it’s mostly delight.

    • v. Holland says:

      I simply couldn’t help myself-I am just so tired of our President sounding so moderate in his talk but so liberal in his walk. He stands for nothing-he says nothing-just whispers sweet things in our ears while using his ultra liberal gang to do the dirty work.

    • Pierre Elliot Trudeau made it a point of being exactly who he really was, socialist pitchman extraordinaire, like it or not. Obama pitched himself as the purest centrist to ever bless the face of this earth with the impression of his foot and ended up thus far as a Trudeau-lite minus the brass bowling balls. Our socialists at the very least kicked ass on the world stage to the point of Nixon seething and wouldn’t bend Canada over to take it from anyone. After the way he through his held aloft Hillary’s past while making painstakingly certain his own remained CLASSIFIED/VERBOTEN, how does one not ask “What’s to hide?”

      He milked that “race card” for all it was worth when the crowds makeup suited such, played “the man” card immediately afterward when necessary and strangely still does long after the campaign dust has settled! He’s now “the man” having taken over large chunks of the very institutions of “the man” and yet still blames “The man” whenever something goes awry?!? Divisive by nature maybe but that rhetoric of distraction is pure practice.

      Has actively promoted through his abstaining from presidential duty the madness of a congress which writes bills on the back of bills in the headers of bills and their footers with invisible ink all the while he’s claiming complete ignorance those incredibly rare instances when actually questioned about the same. He’s not a moron nor so busy he can’t pay attention to the job to which he was elected so that makes him either George Sorros’ lying puppet at worst or an inner city community grifter at best.

      I don’t dislike part of the overall message, nor any of the conservative democrats as they are nearly identical in belief to our own Progressive Conservatives here in Canada to whom I gave my vote last election. I can’t even really fault Nancy “The Wingnut” Pelosi for acting exactly like “The Wingnut” she happens to be or Harry Reid for trying to step out in front of her because that’s at the very least honestly who they really are under the covers. So with all these politico in the spotlight showing their true stripes, who the hell is Barack Obama? It’s certainly NOT that guy on the television.

    • Art in Phoenix says:

      I had to give this some thought before I answered. While it is a a huge disappointment that this Health Care bill could have been created to serve people in very positive ways (lower costs, imporve quality, ensure fairness, etc),the fact that legislation containing over 1,000 pages was written more for the benefit of political “friends” than needy citizens suggests to me that statement #3 is the most appropriate.

      Filled with extraneous stuff that rewards political benefactors (e.g., Unions, etc) is evidence enough that all of this is intentional.

  4. The Puppet Master?


    Some of us have been wondering who is the real power behind Obama. Seems we’re not the only ones.

  5. Ray Hawkins says:

    Oh give me a break!

    As a resident of the State of Pennsylvania I have not really been looking forward to the potentiality of Arlen Specter being elected to yet another term in the Senate – regardless of his party-switching. Specter is among that class of Senators that provide evidence of why we need term limits in the Senate.

    Anyway, I thought we had some potential with Retired Admiral and current Representative Joe Sestak challenging Specter in the primary. A fresh face, maybe some fresh ideas – new way/line of thinking. Well – wrong again!

    Now – most anyone regular reader here knows how little I think of Sarah Palin. I’m also not fan of the previous administration. However, Sestak recently stood up a website called “The Real Specter” – you can view the site here: http://therealspecter2010.com/real – this is more/less Sestak’s lead foot in the race. What does Palin and Bush have to do with this? Well – easy enough – Sestak’s strategy is apparently to attack Specter by using the Palin-Bush linkage. Why does this piss me off? Well, where I was looking to understand why Mr. Sestak would be different, how will he capture the voice of PA citizens, he is simply showing himself to be another political sleazebag – wherein he has no original thoughts of this own he has to resort to attacking his opponent. “Look stupid voter – I have no plan, no ideas, no thoughts – so I figured I’d attack Mr. Specter for his relationship with Bush and Palin. Palin bad. Bush bad. Specter likes Bush and Palin so Specter bad.”. Well no shit Joe! But why the hell should I vote for you you asshole? Is that all you have me is empty headed attack schlock? Go to hell Joe Sestak – you’re just like all the rest. Think back to your military days and remember things like honor, and truth and values.

    So folks – much as I hate Sarah Palin, any Democrat that is going to use her as the attack point in local races is automatically an asshole in my book.

  6. a few history lessons:

    I’m thinking that history’s fire is threatening my son’s future. My oldest brother died in a fire, I will do everything in my power to keep it in all its forms from his namesake.

    Mr. Obama’s intentions don’t matter so much to me. What matter is his actions and their impact on me and mine. I’ve been thinking and watching, and I’ve seen enough. I’m deciding exactly where my line in the sand goes.

  7. Common Man says:


    Obama is the “Face” of a regime dedicated to changing our government from a designed Republic to an ‘isum’. And yes the regime includes Rep’s and Dem’s. It is a power/greed based plan to ensure each and everyone of them maintain their position, and continue garnering additional wealth and influence. If we examine the majority of those currently in congress we find that those who have ‘reined’ longest have also garnered the most wealth and influence (Pelosi, Rangel, Gore, Kennedy, Reid, etc). These individuals have used their position of influence to build their own value. They have bartered with individuals, peers, institutions and the wealthy to cash in, and mostly on the backs of American Citizens.

    Now, I do not oppose anyone from becoming wealthy as long as they do so without stealing from others; I believe in “Free Trade”. These people (for the most part) do not and have not garnered their wealth morally or without disadvataging a majority. I could list a number of examples here, but you all know them.

    Obama made a pact with the powerful members of Congress and together they set out to ‘snow’ the American public in order to further the plan, which is to control the public, the government and regulate industry. And all of this so they could increase their influence and wealth. I spoke of this in my guest commentary “My Mantra Going Forward”.

    They don’t believe in ‘free trade’ because they have not been able to control it as they so desire. They don’t believe the people are smart enough to make their own decisions and rule their own lives, and they fear that ideal. Why? Because a government for the people, by the people removes their legitimacy, and greatly reduces, if not totally removes their power.

    How many of them would continue to ‘serve’ if they did not have the benefits, earnings, influence, power and control they currently maintain? If they were paid a reasonable salary, were not allowed to give themselves regular raises, had to accept SS and Medicare as their retirement, did not recieve a penson higher than most CEO’s, had to pay for their own travel and living arrangements, drive their own cars, and were forced to account for each and every dollar they spent, how many in office today would be there next term?

    Congressmen and women have the most lucrative positions in America today, and the majority of them dishonor the title, the people they allegially serve, and the country they represent.

    They are, each and every one of them, liars, thugs and thieves; Republican, Democrat and Independent.

    Obama struck a deal and is working the plan along with the rest of the corrupt gang.

    Everything they do and every effort they attempt is a carefully planned out mission to remove liberty and freedom from the American public, and it is all done so that they can maintain their lucrative lifestyle and power.

    Unfortunately we live in a time that the majority of people have been ‘dumbed down’ over the past several years by a government who’s plan and efforts has been designed to exasperated this state of mind. Fortunately some, and more each day, are starting to wake up and think about what is being said, done and forced upon them; hopefully it is not to late.

    Obama and the government are a massive train wreck, and if we can’t stop it, we had better prepare for a massive clean up.

    Washington = NO and GET OUT!


  8. Common Man says:

    Forgot to post for comments


  9. The USA, of course, breaks its own laws regarding Israeli nuclear forces.

    The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 was amended by the Symington Amendment (Section 669 of the FAA) in 1976. It banned U.S. economic, and military assistance, and export credits to countries that deliver or receive, acquire or transfer nuclear enrichment technology when they do not comply with IAEA regulations and inspections.]

    On September 18, 2009 the General Conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency called on Israel to open its nuclear facilities to IAEA inspection and adhere to the non-proliferation treaty as part of a resolution on “Israeli nuclear capabilities,” which passed by a narrow margin of 49-45 with 16 abstentions. The chief Israeli delegate stated that “Israel will not co-operate in any matter with this resolution.

    • BF:

      Lets look at the controlling language:

      “(a) PROHIBITIONS; SAFEGUARDS AND MANAGEMENT. —Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, no funds made available to carry out the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 or this Act may be used for the purpose of providing economic assistance (including assistance under chapter 4 of part II of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961), providing military assistance or grant military education and training, providing assistance under chapter 6 of part II of that Act, or extending military credits or making guarantees, to any country which the President determines delivers nuclear enrichment equipment, materials, or technology to any other country on or after August 4, 1977, or receives such equipment, materials, or technology from any other country on or after August 4, 1977, unless before such delivery—

      (1) the supplying country and receiving country have reached agreement to place all such equipment, materials, or technology, upon delivery, under multilateral auspices and management when available; and

      (2) the recipient country has entered into an agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency to place all such equipment, materials, technology, and all nuclear fuel and facilities in such country under the safeguards system of such Agency.”

      Given this wording my first question is this:

      Has Israel either transfered to others or received any of the specified materials after August 4, 1977?

      If not then there is no violation.

      Furthermore, the IAEA inspection requirement would only apply to materials sent or received after the August 4, 1977 cut off. It does not apply to materials in possession prior to that date.

      This amendment also ONLY bans use of funds authorized under the “Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 or this Act”.

      I know these are technicalities, but such technicalities determine whether something is in fact illegal, as opposed to simply immoral (yes, that twist in hierarchy was deliberate. Lets see if anyone else figures out what it means).

      • Technicalities are important.

        Israel has no indigenous Uranium ore – and must import it. Thus, they continue to fall under the 1977 amendment.

        The reactors are well aged, and require constant replacement parts. Thus, these fall under the 1977 amendment.

        • BF:

          OK, I will accept your claim that they are getting materials. I don’t have proof but it makes sense given what you have stated.

          Now, do you know whether we are still providing aid under the authority of the “Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 or this Act”?

          Or, are we using some other authority to provide such aid?

          If it is the first then yes, we are breaking our own law. If it is number two, we are just being massive hypocrits, SOP.

          • I don’t know if there is the “Israeli” exception – I doubt it, though.

            It is probable that the ‘official’ position of both the US and Israel has always been neither to confirm or deny the existence of the weapons is an effort to bypass the law.

            “Don’t ask, don’t tell” appears to be an official policy on many matters.

          • Ok we admit to sending them the nuclear materials but they did let us keep William Shatner!

  10. U.s. Weapon, your @3, he is terrible for this country and wants to do nothing but kill Americans, he started this crisis business and then lo and behold a lab made this swine flu vaccine out of bird flu vaccine and another vaccine, that do not mix in nature. Now over 80 young people are dead thanks to the Ursuper and zebra we have in the White House, he did not physically kill them, but his intentions are to create a 3rd world country, to make independent americans dependent upon government to pay all the bills etc. but guess what, he refused to do so when his thugs try to get him to do this. I couldn’t think much less of him, if I tried. Your people who think otherwise that is their choice, but when I have to start getting beat because I am wearing jeans, or am afraid to talk to another man because my family will kill me, not a good thing. Read the Koran all you posts who think life is wonderful in muslim countries, why is this young girl so afraid her own father will kill her? I am sick of you men tht like to have women wear head scarves and burkas because women entice men, crap on all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    • Goldie:

      With all due respect, Mr. Obama did not start our current economic crisis. THAT IS A FACT and you should not fall for that line of thinking.


      The Swine Flu first arose during the Bush Admin. Mr. Obama had nothing to do with it. Now the vaccines is a different matter. I have absolutely no use for Mr. Obama. Even if I somewhat agree with a few of his policies, I still think the man and those around him are enemies of Liberty. However, I do not believe that they created the Swine Flu vaccine with the intent to create a crisis or to kill Americans.

      The CDC may be misguided but they are not that deliberately evil.

      Best Wishes to You and Your Family

      • True stuff yet if Barney Frank, distracted by a new Calvin Klein billboard, were to step out in front of a bus… the hankie would be pretty dry.

    • That paragraph should be taken out back and shot.



    A few weeks back one of our lefty contributors made the claim to the effect that the Bush tax cuts benefited the rich at the expense of the poor. I called Bulldookey on it then and still do. I intended to put this out a couple of Tuesdays ago but got sidetracked. The Quickening Thing has me in its grip and I am getting distracted from the mission at hand. Any way, I would like to offer up some data presented in a report from The Tax Foundation that was issued in 2004.

    This report compares the Kennedy, Reagan and Bush tax cuts. But lets focus on pre Bush and post Bush tax cuts, because that was the claim made. In each of the following the first number is pre-Bush tax cut and the second is the post-Bush tax cut value.

    Share of Tax Liability (that is the % of total taxes to be paid by each income group)

    1st 20% ($0-$14,415): 0.50% to 0.30%
    2nd 20% ($14,415-$25,499): 2.30% to 1.90%
    3rd 20% ($25,500-$41,640): 5.90% to 5.20%
    4th 20% ($41,641-$68,295): 12.60% to 11.60%
    Top 20% (>$68,295): 78.70% to 81.00%


    Now the part I found disturbing was that anything over $68,295 was considered in the TOP 20% income bracket. I bet many of you didn’t realize you were so stinking rich did you?

    So lets look at the top 20%

    Top 5 to 20% ($68,296-$136,162): 22.80% to 22.00%
    Top 1 to 5% ($136,162-$335,474): 18.90% to 19.70%
    Top 1% (>$335,474): 37.10% to 39.30%


    Now how many of you knew you were in the top 5%? Maybe you had better start paying more attention when the Govt starts claiming it is only going to tax the “rich” or that the “top 5% have………..of the wealth”.

    There you have it. At least the numbers as developed in 2004 based on the tax laws. Actual taxes paid could be more or less depending on how individuals game the tax codes. I know one common complaint is that RICH people make most of their money in Capital Gains. I don’t know if that is true. But if it is then so what? Capital Gains are treated differently because it is “investment” income and carries risk to the individual but benefits to the overall economy. Furthermore, Capital Gains is not treated the same for everyone. The calculations for this type of income result in a higher effective tax as income brackets increase. The effective rate is not the 19% everyone throws around in public.

    I do however have one issue with the Capital Gains treatment. The old time rule was 1 year and 1 day to qualify. Reagan got that changed to 6 months. I think the rule should be changed back to 1 year for long term gains. Leave the 19% alone, or even reduce it to 10%, but extend the qualifying period to reflect the actual risk and reward.

    The link to the data I summarized is as follows: http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html

    I would also like to make a pre-emptive strike on one anticipated rebuttal to the above data. I have heard it from others so figured I might as well address it.

    The argument goes that Bush’s tax cuts created these huge deficits and combined with his war has reduced the money otherwise available to help the poorer income brackets. Somehow this constitutes an impact to the poor caused by tax cuts. Regardless of the ridiculous logic involved in that claim, the fact remains that all federal programs providing assistance have continued to increase. Many have increased beyond the rate of inflation. NOBODY HAS HAD TO PAY ANY PRICE FOR THE TAX CUTS OR THE COST OF THE WARS.


    I hope this stirs the synapses today. Will be around some but then heading out this afternoon fishing for a few days. Its actually supposed to get back above freezing for awhile. So gotta make hay…..er hunting/gathering while you can.

    I hope everyone is well today.

  13. An economic fairy tale….

    The economic situation was grim.

    By mid-year unemployment had jumped from 4 percent to nearly 12 percent, and GNP declined 17 percent.

    No wonder, then, that Secretary of Commerce – falsely characterized as a supporter of laissez-faire economics – urged President to consider an array of interventions to turn the economy around. The advice, however, was ignored.

    Instead of “fiscal stimulus,” the President cut the government’s budget nearly in half.

    The rest of his approach was equally laissez-faire.

    Tax rates were slashed for all income groups.

    The national debt was reduced by one-third.

    The Federal Reserve’s activity, moreover, was hardly noticeable.

    As one economic pundit put it, “Despite the severity of the contraction, the Fed did not move to use its powers to turn the money supply around and fight the contraction.”

    By the late summer, signs of recovery were already visible.

    The following year, unemployment was back down to 6.7 percent and the year after that it was only 2.4 percent.

    Can anyone guess ‘the rest of the story’?

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      There was an immediate military coup, and all private services and industries were immediately nationalized.

      • Peter:

        You missed the lead in……its a fairy tale. Therefore……….

        They lived happily ever after.

        Don’t be so gloomy today my friend.

        • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

          Ah, JAC, it is a modern fiction that all fairy tails end with “and they lived happily ever after.”

          Many old fairly tails ended a bit gruesomely.

          Plus, it is 23 degrees BELOW “NORMAL” temperature here today, and overcast with a light, very COLD rain… and of course, I must go outside to smoke a cigarette. To top that all off, both of my kids are home with 100.5 degree fevers atm.

          I have reason to be gloomy today my friend!

          • bottom line says:

            look at the radar…Indiana is starting to clear up.


          • Peter:

            OK Then…..if you insist:

            The Wolf eats the President and all the other crazies go back to what they were doing. Sacking the treasury.

            But then comes along a great hunter from Idaho and he KILLS the Wolf.

            Being the blood thirsty red kneck that he is, he then marches into the Capitol and kills all the Hyeanas and Jackals.

            Liberty and Justice spread across the land.

            And then they lived happily ever after.

            Sounds to me like you need a good chaw a pocket knife and a stick to whittle on, while you sit on the porch in the cold. Pondering the meaning of it all.

          • Too bad about the kids…but here in South Louisiana it is 85 degrees and about 90% humidity…a shot of cold air would be most welcome…

        • bottom line says:

          BF’s describing the events leading up to the Great Depression. Specifically in 1920-21. “Fairy Tale” was what I assume to be dry humor and cinicism.

    • bottom line says:

      I bet it’s a “depressing” ending to the story.

    • Ah, good gentlemen!

      It is a true story – the Depression of 1920, and the President was Harding.

      No one remembers Harding – because his government was uneventful.

      He vetoed unconstitutional legislation. He cut government spending. He cut the government debt. He solved the depression by cutting government taxes and cutting government spending.

      He is unknown because he was the last of the ‘small’ government Presidents. He was probably the best US President in history.

      One of his speeches:

      We will attempt intelligent and courageous deflation, and strike at government borrowing which enlarges the evil, and we will attack high cost of government with every energy and facility which attend Republican capacity.

      We promise that relief which will attend the halting of waste and extravagance, and the renewal of the practice of public economy, not alone because it will relieve tax burdens but because it will be an example to stimulate thrift and economy in private life.

      Let us call to all the people for thrift and economy, for denial and sacrifice if need be, for a nationwide drive against extravagance and luxury, to a recommittal to simplicity of living, to that prudent and normal plan of life which is the health of the republic. There hasn’t been a recovery from the waste and abnormalities of war since the story of mankind was first written, except through work and saving, through industry and denial, while needless spending and heedless extravagance have marked every decay in the history of nations.

      We must face the grim necessity, with full knowledge that the task is to be solved, and we must proceed with a full realization that no statute enacted by man can repeal the inexorable laws of nature.

      Our most dangerous tendency is to expect too much of government, and at the same time do for it too little.

      We contemplate the immediate task of putting our public household in order. We need a rigid and yet sane economy, combined with fiscal justice, and it must be attended by individual prudence and thrift, which are so essential to this trying hour and reassuring for the future. . . .

      The economic mechanism is intricate and its parts interdependent, and has suffered the shocks and jars incident to abnormal demands, credit inflations, and price upheavals.

      The normal balances have been impaired, the channels of distribution have been clogged, the relations of labor and management have been strained. We must seek the readjustment with care and courage. . . .

      All the penalties will not be light, nor evenly distributed. There is no way of making them so.

      There is no instant step from disorder to order.

      We must face a condition of grim reality, charge off our losses and start afresh.

      It is the oldest lesson of civilization.

      I would like government to do all it can to mitigate; then, in understanding, in mutuality of interest, in concern for the common good, our tasks will be solved. No altered system will work a miracle.

      Any wild experiment will only add to the confusion. Our best assurance lies in efficient administration of our proven system.

      They don’t make them like this any more….

      • Common Man says:


        A great uncle to my mothers father. i guess that makes him my great, great uncle.


        • Cool!

          Winston Churchill is a cousin -upteem times removed.

          His grandmother is great-great-grandmother.

          But he was a murderous Statist – had no problem bombing women and children and gassing civilians…..

          • Common Man says:

            Well… family rumors, never substantiate, claimed President Harding was a womanizer and was inflicted with syphilis. Syphilis was accredited to a weakened heart, which lead to his death.

            He was a gifted writer as demonstrated by his many publications.


            • CM”

              The house of one of his lovers sits on a bench above the Clearwater River in northern Idaho. It is a bit of a historical landmark to folks around those parts.

          • I knew you had promise. With genetic potential like that how did you ever go soooooo wrong?

            • I couldn’t order the death of innocent people – whereas he slept at night.

              Irony is, on that side of the family, we also have a history of pirates and clergy. What a mix!

              • Common Man says:

                My Grandfather a great nephew, was also a bit of a rouge who spent time with the likes of Ma Barker and her clan. Although we have no knowledge of him participating in any or their transgressions. Apparently they appreciated his style of poker; he usually lost.


                What was the name of the lover and any information realtive to when she and President harding were ‘coupled’?


                BTW: My family has some controversial genetics. My father’s side Irish and Mennonite lived in and around Lancaster County, PA and ran booze during the proibition. Go figure, who would think to check the buggies, or suspect the religous Mennonite for bootlegging.

                Given my ancestral heritage (Irish/Mennonite Bootlegggers) it is a wonder I am not smashed most of the time.


                • CM:

                  Don’t know her name. But the story goes he actually visited her during his Presidency.

                  • Carrie Fulton Phillips

                    • Common Man says:

                      Just read the short version of Mrs. Phillips on Wikipedia. Kind of reminds me of the movie: “Fatal Attraction”.

                      I watched that movie with my wife at the local theater and remember jumping to my feat when Douglas backed away from the tub, and screaming “Push her back down, she ain’t dead yet!!”

                      Scared the hell out of those poor folks around me.

      • BF, CM, Peter:

        Did you notice the similarity in values and words between Harding’s speeches, this one in particular, and those of Ronald Reagan?

        I do believe Reagan actually mentioned Harding back in the day as a key figure in his conversion.

        Not claiming this to be so…….just vague recolections that could be getting all mixed up.

        But the words BF posted sure could have been Reagan’s as well.

      • Sure they do and Thomas Sowell is one of them, its just none of them are of the politico.

  14. Real issues are being avoided by our politicians (drop of the dollar, economy, jobs). Politicians are fighting over Rush acquiring a football team. Is that truly a critical issue these days?

    Most all of us are critical of both political parties & they should all be voted out nxt year. If things get worse we will see more Tea Parties & a populist movement that will possibly bring martial law. History does repeat itself & it can/will happen to America.

    THere’s a new, underground book just out that shows exactly what is happening now & what’s coming in the nxt 3 yrs. It’s not pretty. I got it for a friend cause it’s a modern day version of what the original Americans did just prior to the American Revolution. Revolutions happen all the time. It shows when Americans will stop being abused by their own govt. (A Time To Stand by Oliver). It’s right on target. Read it & see what’s nxt that will divide Americans even more….(www.booksbyoliver.com)

  15. Richmond Spitfire says:


    This just in!!! Obama wins the Heisman Trophy after watching a college football game!!!

  16. We talked about delivery vs. ETF’s.

    I found further conversation in another blog…

    Goldmoney is a warehouse that stores gold billion for investors. He argues that people are now beginning to demand physical gold. He thinks this is why gold’s price is rising.


    The question for any investor in a proxy is this: Is there an ounce of gold in reserve for every promise to pay old? Or is the promise backed by a promise to pay a currency equivalent of the asset? If the latter, then there is counter-party risk. The promise may be defaulted on if the organization goes bankrupt.

    If an outfit goes bankrupt holding your money or gold as an asset in its own account, you won’t see it again. If the assets are legally separate from the firm, you will get back your assets.

    Consider American silos that store grain. In most cases, if the silo owner goes bust, the poor schnook who had his grain stored in the silo at the time of the bankruptcy loses his grain and his money. The creditors of the silo owner sell it and divide the money. He gets a small share of his crop.

    If a warehouse segregates its assets from the stored assets, this cannot happen. The people holding warehouse receipts get paid.

    In an ETF, the funds are mixed. You are buying the ETF, not the asset that the ETF supposedly holds. You had better hope that the ETF buys gold when demand for the ETF rises.

    If you own a gold coin and have it in your possession, the coin has no counter-party risk. If you own gold bullion in a bonded warehouse, and the contract separates your gold from the warehouse’s operations, you have little counter-party risk. There is some: legal fees to get your money or your gold.

    If you own a futures contract, you own a promise for gold or money — at the discretion of the short investor on the other side of the contract. But you know this: he owns no asset. Most futures contracts do not result in delivery. They are settled in money.

    There is vastly more money in gold futures contracts than there is gold in reserve to deliver. The longs do not ask for delivery. If as many as 10% of them did, the price of gold would soar. The shorts could not cover.

    Turk indicates that this has begun. So has Rod Kirby.


    If you own a gold mining share, you own not gold. You own a company that mines gold, or says it mines gold, or hopes some day to mine gold.

    This is why I recommend gold bullion coins for the first $10,000 of your gold holdings.


    I agree.

  17. Darn double links….

    We talked about this yesterday, this is from another blog…

    Goldmoney is warehouse that stores gold billion for investors. They argue that people are now beginning to demand physical gold. This is why gold’s price is rising. See this interview on CNBC.


    The question for any investor in a proxy is this: Is there an ounce of gold in reserve for every promise to pay old? Or is the promise backed by a promise to pay a currency equivalent of the asset? If the latter, then there is counter-party risk. The promise may be defaulted on if the organization goes bankrupt.

    If an outfit goes bankrupt holding your money or gold as an asset in its own account, you won’t see it again. If the assets are legally separate from the firm, you will get back your assets.

    Consider American silos that store grain. In most cases, if the silo owner goes bust, the poor schnook who had his grain stored in the silo at the time of the bankruptcy loses his grain and his money. The creditors of the silo owner sell it and divide the money. He gets a small share of his crop.

    If a warehouse segregates its assets from the stored assets, this cannot happen. The people holding warehouse receipts get paid.

    In an ETF, the funds are mixed. You are buying the ETF, not the asset that the ETF supposedly holds. You had better hope that the ETF buys gold when demand for the ETF rises.

    If you own a gold coin and have it in your possession, the coin has no counter-party risk. If you own gold bullion in a bonded warehouse, and the contract separates your gold from the warehouse’s operations, you have little counter-party risk. There is some: legal fees to get your money or your gold.

    If you own a futures contract, you own a promise for gold or money — at the discretion of the short investor on the other side of the contract. But you know this: he owns no asset. Most futures contracts do not result in delivery. They are settled in money. There is vastly more money in gold futures contracts than there is gold in reserve to deliver. The longs do not ask for delivery. If as many as 10% of them did, the price of gold would soar. The shorts could not cover.

    Goldmoney indicates that this has begun.

    If you own a gold mining share, you own not gold. You own a company that mines gold, or says it mines gold, or hopes some day to mine gold.

    This is why I recommend gold bullion coins for the first $10,000 of your gold holdings.


    I agree.

  18. Partisan Politics—A Fool’s Game for the Masses

    • I wish every American would check out this link, BF. Whenever I try to point out what’s going on to people, the are dismissive of the concept. When will folks see how they are being manipulated?

  19. Common Man says:


    I am a strong supporter of Hillsdale College here in Michigan. As such I recieve the monthly publication called ‘Imprimis’. Concervative and Constitutional only begin to address this institutions standards. The link below will lead you to the Imprimis Web site and the latest editorial by a learned man; Dr. Walter Williams – Enjoy



  20. Here is a little something to stretch your brains today. I would call this an attempt at mixing the philosophies of commons and absolute individual freedoms. Perhaps a step in finding VDLG solutions.

    • Common Man says:

      Interesting, very interesting. Not sure how to accept this yet, although see some reasonable theories.

      Leave it to a Hoosier in the heart of the Bible belt to present what I interrput as a comprimise of government (rules) and liberty.


  21. BF I answered you with what we were talking about.

  22. v. Holland says:

    “Mich. House narrowly approves 3% tax on doctors
    10/6/2009, 8:33 p.m. EDT
    The Associated Press

    (AP) — LANSING, Mich. – The Democratic-led Michigan House has voted to put a 3 percent tax on doctors’ gross receipts to raise more federal matching money for state-run health care programs.

    The House voted 56-52 mostly along party lines Tuesday to send the proposal to the Republican-led Senate.

    Doctors who see Medicaid patients would benefit from higher reimbursement rates generated by the tax. Doctors who treat few or no Medicaid patients would lose out.

    Advocates say the doctors’ tax would be similar to taxes already paid by hospitals and nursing homes. Michigan’s main trade group for physicians says doctors are unfairly being singled out.”

    This seems crazy to me and possibly unconstitutional-why is it that everything they do whether it is State or Federal seems more likely to raise medical costs instead of actually trying to do something that would lower them. 3%! How can you put a tax on GROSS RECEIPTS and claim it’s only 3%

    • V.H.

      Does the 3% tax include the Gross Receipts from Medicare and Medicaid?

      If so then it is an ever upward spiral.

      Are the only people with any brains in Michigan all posting on this site?

      Maybe you all ought to think about moving.

      Lots of love and Good Luck

      • Common Man says:


        I have thought about that more often than not, however everyone I dearly love are here.

        Michigan is a prime example of what is yet to come nation wide provided we don’t stop the madness. Unemployment is the highest in the nation and Detroit is the number 1 poverty city in America.

        Along with a long stream of liberal representatives, we are also faced with the largest Union population. Hell the city of Detroit has 8 seperate Unions representing City workers.

        The current Governor ‘Jenny’ is now a ‘lame duck’, but contributed moronically to this states current demise.

        The city of Detroit now has a new major, Dave Bing, the former Piston and a once promonate business man, who seems rational. however he too will be sucked up inot the “Entitlement mentality’ of Detroit and soon prove to be in over his head.

        The DNR (Department of Natural Resources) and the DEQ (Department of Environmental Quality) have now merged in Michigan. Who do you think is going to wind up running all resources in a short time?

        It is a sad, sad state of affairs, especially when you look at all it has to offer. A once great and prosperous state now turned to an example of what America will look like should the corrupt government succeed in its current endeavors.

        I do plan to get out within the next 5 years, but still trying to figure out where I will wind up; maybe back to the homeland, Ireland.


        • CM:

          You should check out northern Idaho.

          Looks a little like northern Michigan, except mostly conifers instead of hardwoods.

          Big lakes, NOT as big as your Great Lakes but pretty darn big, and mountains that actually do require a chair lift to get to the top to ski.

          Also contains a somewhat rational population of conservative types.

          Climate is probably what you can handle although winters may not be as cold.

          Added Benefit: Hunting and fishing plus you are only 8 hours from Yellowstone country. Which means tons of fishing in between.

          As I said, Good Luck


          • Common Man says:


            Sounds great, especially the fishing. I assume you have deer, elk and other fur bearen critters that one can harvest as well.

            i do love the mountains, but i have gotten less fond of the cold and longer winters, although i don’t think I could put up with the summers of Texas either.

            People and state regulations are critical. Employment is not as much of a concern since i can do what i do from anywhere, and i believe my wife can teach Special Education kids there as well.

            Time will tell.


      • v. Holland says:

        Nothing I’ve read said anything about excluding it, so I must assume that they are included. I just find it hard to believe that one might have to pay a penalty for being a doctor-Has working your behind off for years become something to look at with derision.

  23. http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/08/18/dog-canine-virus.html

    Hey Canine Weapon better get your shot!!!

    • Canine Weapon says:

      H3N8 is over-hyped. The government is just drumming it up as an excuse to push universal health care on us canines – you don’t see them trying that with the felines. They want to tell me how to live my life and I will have no government infringement into my liberties.

      Further, I don’t know if the vaccine is safe. I’ll take my shot after Bo (Obama’s dog) gets his, and not before.

      • LOL. I was going to attach a pic of my cat but couldn’t figure it out. I have a Golden Retriever and he says he’s not taking it either, too much control over his life.

  24. Poem to MOM

    My son came home from school one day,
    With a smirk upon his face.
    He decided he was smart enough,
    To put me in my place.

    ‘Guess what I learned in Civics Two,
    that’s taught by Mr. Wright?
    It’s all about the laws today,
    The ‘Children’s Bill of Rights.’

    It says I need not clean my room,
    Don’t have to cut my hair
    No one can tell me what to think,
    Or speak, or what to wear.

    I have freedom from religion,
    And regardless what you say,
    I don’t have to bow my head,
    And I sure don’t have to pray..

    I can wear earrings if I want,
    And pierce my tongue & nose.
    I can read & watch just what I like,
    Get tattoos from head to toe.

    And if you ever spank me,
    I’ll charge you with a crime.
    I’ll back up all my charges,
    With the marks on my behind.

    Don’t you ever touch me,
    My body’s only for my use,
    Not for your hugs and kisses,
    that’s just more child abuse.

    Don’t preach about your morals,
    Like your Mama did to you.
    That’s nothing more than mind control,
    And it’s illegal too!

    Mom, I have these children’s rights,
    So you can’t influence me,
    Or I’ll call Children’s Services Division,
    Better known as C.S.D.’

    Mom’s Reply and Thoughts

    Of course my first instinct was
    To toss him out the door.
    But the chance to teach him a lesson
    Made me think a little more.

    I mulled it over carefully,
    I couldn’t let this go.
    A smile crept upon my face,
    he’s messing with a pro.

    Next day I took him shopping
    At the local Goodwill Store.
    I told him, ‘Pick out all you want,
    there’s shirts & pants galore.

    I’ve called and checked with C.S.D …
    Who said they didn’t care
    If I bought you K-Mart shoes
    Instead of those Nike Airs.

    I’ve canceled that appointment
    To take your driver’s test.
    The C..S.D. Is unconcerned
    So I’ll decide what’s best. ‘

    I said ‘No time to stop and eat,
    Or pick up stuff to munch.
    And tomorrow you can start to learn
    To make your own sack lunch.

    Just save the raging appetite,
    And wait till dinner time.
    We’re having liver and onions,
    A favorite dish of mine.’

    He asked ‘Can I please rent a movie,
    To watch on my VCR?’
    ‘Sorry, but I sold your TV,
    For new tires on my car.
    I also rented out your room,
    You’ll take the couch instead.
    The C .S.D. Requires
    Just a roof over your head.

    Your clothing won’t be trendy now,
    I’ll choose what we eat.
    That allowance that you used to get,
    Will buy me something neat.

    I’m selling off your jet ski,
    Dirt-bike & roller blades.
    Check out the ‘Parents Bill of Rights’,
    It’s in effect today!

    Hey hot shot, are you crying,
    Why are you on your knees?
    Are you asking God to help you out,
    Instead of C.S.D..?’

  25. A 14 Min video that explains why America will be a third world country by 2050.
    Hope all will take the time to watch.


  26. It’s that time of year to take our annual senior citizen test.
    Exercise of the brain is as important as exercise of the muscles. As we grow older, it’s important to keep mentally alert. If you don’t use it, you lose it! Below is a very private way to gauge your loss or non-loss of intelligence.
    Take the test presented here to determine if you’re losing it or not. The spaces below are so you don’t see the answers until you’ve made your answer.
    OK, relax, clear your mind and begin.

    1. What do you put in a toaster?

    Answer: “bread.” If you said “toast,” give up now and do something else. Try not to hurt yourself. If you said, bread, go to Question 2.

    2. Say “silk” five times. Now spell “silk.” What do cows drink?

    Answer: Cows drink water. If you said “milk,” don’t
    attempt the next question. Your brain is over-stressed and may even overheat. Content yourself with reading a more appropriate literature such as Auto World. However, if you said “water”, proceed to question 3.
    3. If a red house is made from red bricks and a blue house is made from blue bricks and a pink house is made from pink bricks and a black house is made from black bricks, what is a green house made from?

    Answer: Greenhouses are made from glass. If you said “green bricks,” why are you still reading these???
    If you said “glass,” go on to Question 4.

    4. It’s twenty years ago, and a plane is flying at 20,000 feet over Germany (If you will recall, Germany at the time was politically divided into West Germany and East Germany .) Anyway, during the flight, TWO engines fail. The pilot, realizing that the last remaining engine is also failing, decides on a crash landing procedure. Unfortunately the engine fails before he can do so and the plane fatally crashes smack in the middle of “no man’s land” between East Germany and West Germany . Where would you bury the survivors? East Germany, West Germany, or no man’s land”?

    Answer: You don’t bury survivors.
    If you said ANYTHING else, you’re a dunce and you must stop. If you said, “You don’t bury survivors”, proceed to the next question.

    5. Without using a calculator – You are driving a bus from London to Milford Haven in Wales . In London , 17 people get on the bus; In Reading , six people get off the bus and nine people get on. In Swindon, two people get off and four get on In Cardiff , 11 people get off and 16 people get on. In Swansea , three people get off and five people get on In Carmathen, six people get off and three get on. You then arrive at Milford Haven. What! was the name of the bus driver?

    Answer: Oh, for crying out loud!
    Don’t you remember your own name? It was YOU!!

    • Janet and Phil are in their late 20’s and live near Columbus, Ohio.

      They have been dating for about 3 years and are considering marriage.

      As part of their pre-marital counseling they were each asked to keep

      A diary. Below are excerpts from last weekend.


      Tonight I thought he was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at

      a bar to have a drink. I was shopping with my friends all day long,

      So I thought he was upset at the fact that I was a bit late, but he made

      no comment. Conversation wasn’t flowing so I suggested that we go

      somewhere quiet so we could talk. He agreed but he kept quiet and

      absent. I asked him what was wrong; he said nothing. I asked him if

      it was my fault that he was upset. He said it had nothing to do with

      me and not to worry.

      On the way home I told him that I loved him, he simply smiled and

      kept driving. I can’t explain his behavior; I don’t know why he

      didn’t say I love you too. When we got home I felt as if I had

      lost him, as if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat

      there and watched TV. He seemed distant and absent.

      Finally, I decided to go to bed. About 10 minutes later he came to

      bed, and to my surprise he responded to my caress and we made love,

      but I still felt that he was distracted and his thoughts were

      somewhere else. He fell asleep – I cried. I don’t know what to do.

      I’m almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else. My life is

      a disaster.


      Oklahoma lost today, but at least I had sex.

    • Thanks for the laugh. I have pulled out my dunce cap, I only got 3 & 4 correct.

    • Subject: FW: 2nd Opinion

      The doctor said, “Joe, the good news is I can cure your headaches.
      The bad new is that it will require castration. You have a very rare
      condition, which causes your testicles to press on your spine and the
      Pressure creates one hell of a headache. The only way to relieve the
      pressure is to remove the testicles.”

      Joe was shocked and depressed. He wondered if he had anything to live for.
      He had no choice but to go under the knife. When he left the hospital, he
      was without a headache for the first time in 20 years, but he felt like he
      was missing an important part of himself. As he walked down the street, he
      realized that he felt like a different person.
      He could make a new beginning and live a new life. He saw a men’s clothing
      store and thought, “That’s what I need… a new suit. That’ll make me feel
      a little better.”
      He entered the shop and told the salesman, “I’d like a new suit.”
      The elderly tailor eyed him briefly and said, “Let’s see… size 44 long.”
      Joe laughed, “That’s right, how did you know?”
      “Been in the business 60 years!” the tailor said. Joe tried on the suit…
      it fit perfectly.
      As Joe admired himself in the mirror, the salesman asked, “How about a new
      shirt?” Joe thought for a moment and then said, “Sure.”
      The salesman eyed Joe and said, “Let’s see, 34 sleeves and 16-1/2 neck.”
      Joe was surprised. “That’s right, how did you know?”
      “Been in the business 60 years.” Joe tried on the shirt and it fit
      Joe walked comfortably around the shop and the salesman asked,
      “How about some new underwear?” Joe thought for a moment and said, “Sure.”
      The salesman said, “Let’s see… size 36.”
      Joe laughed, “Ah ha! I got you, I’ve worn a size 34 since I was 18 years
      The salesman shook his head, “You can’t wear a size 34. A size 34 would
      press your testicles up against the base of your spine and give you one
      hell of a headache.”

      New suit – $400
      New shirt – $36
      New underwear – $6
      Second Opinion – PRICELESS

    • Students were assigned to read 2 books, “Titanic” & “My Life” by
      Bill Clinton. One smart-ass student turned in the following book
      with the proposition that they were nearly identical stories! His
      professor gave him an A+ for this report:

      Titanic:….. $29.99.
      Clinton :….. $29.99.

      Titanic:….. Over 3 hours to read.
      Clinton :….. Over 3 hours to read.

      Titanic:….. The story of Jack and Rose, their forbidden love,
      and subsequent catastrophe.
      Clinton :….. The story of Bill and Monica, their forbidden love,
      and subsequent catastrophe.

      Titanic:….. Jack is a starving artist.
      Clinton :….. Bill is a bullshite artist.

      Titanic:….. In one scene, Jack enjoys a good cigar.
      Clinton :….. Ditto for Bill.

      Titanic:….. During ordeal, Rose’s dress gets ruined.
      Clinton :….. Ditto for Monica.

      Titanic:….. Jack teaches Rose to spit.
      Clinton :….. Let’s not go there.

      Titanic:….. Rose gets to keep her jewelry.
      Clinton :….. Monica’s forced to return her gifts.

      Titanic:….. Rose remembers Jack for the rest of her life.
      Clinton :….. Clinton doesn’t remember Jack.

      Titanic:….. Rose goes down on a vessel full of seamen.
      Clinton :….. Monica…ooh, let’s not go there, either.

      Titanic:….. Jack surrenders to an icy death.
      Clinton :….. Bill goes home to Hilary…basically the same thing.

  27. Judy, Black Flag and Kent,

    I was reading your debate today, that began yesterday. On the lighter side, my Granddad told me as a young man just getting interested in women this little piece of advice” Young man, as you get older, your going to have to learn to understand women (That has yet to occur), you see, women think from the heart, and men, well they think from the head (which of course he did not mention which head, which is also an unanswered debate, LOL).

    Judy was doing just what Granddad said, thinking from the heart, so Granddad gets an “A” for the day.

    However, to be the devil’s advocate, I will offer a different view, one that would only be considered by vets. Every veteran, from the time they began to work, paid taxes. (Yes BF, I know it was stolen, but….) As the vets served their country, they continued to pay taxes (but their healthcare was at no cost, except for food, which was $7 a day in the 80’s, if in the hospital). After they went back to civilian work, they continued to pay taxes, but were eligable for healthcare benefits from the VA. If, a vet used those benefits, and was single, with grown kids, he would not have to pay the high cost of health insurance premiums. Hence, a vet could consider his tax payments as his or her cost for healthcare, for life.

    So, the vets pay the government and receives a valuable service from said government. Where the vets get stolen from when retired, is they still must pay into medicare (damn thievin govt.)

    Don’t kill me to hard on this, my brain is tired of being awake so much and having to actually work, LOL.


  28. Subject: FW: this is exactly how it is

    If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn`t buy one.
    If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

    If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
    If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for

    If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat
    his enemy.
    A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

    If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
    If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

    If a black or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as
    independently successful.
    Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of
    government protection.

    If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
    A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

    If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
    Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

    If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
    A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
    (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)

    If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping
    for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
    A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

    If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is
    If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he’s in
    labor and then sues.

    If a conservative reads this, he’ll forward it so his friends can have a
    good laugh.
    A liberal will delete it because he’s “offended”.

  29. Children Writing About the Ocean… Hysterical!

    1) – This is a picture of an octopus. It has eight testicles.
    (Kelly, age 6)

    2) – Oysters’ balls are called pearls. (Jerry, age 6)

    3) – If you are surrounded by ocean, you are an island. If you
    don’t have ocean all round you, you are incontinent.. (, age 7)

    4) – Sharks are ugly and mean, and have big teeth, just like Emily
    Richardson. She’s not my friend any more. (Kylie, age 6)

    5) – A dolphin breaths through an asshole on the top of its head.
    (Billy, age 8)

    6) – My uncle goes out in his boat with 2 other men and a woman and
    pots and comes back with crabs. (Millie, age 6)

    7) – When ships had sails, they used to use the trade winds to
    cross the ocean. Sometimes when the wind didn’t blow the sailors would
    whistle to make the wind come. My brother said they would have been better
    off eating beans. (William, age 7)

    8) – Mermaids live in the ocean. I like mermaids. They are
    beautiful and I like their shiny tails, but how on earth do mermaids get
    pregnant? Like, really? (Helen, age 6)

    9) – I’m not going to write about the ocean. My baby brother is
    always crying, my Dad keeps yelling at my Mom, and my big sister has just
    got pregnant, so I can’t think what to write. (Amy, age 6)

    10) – Some fish are dangerous. Jellyfish can sting. Electric eels
    can give you a shock. They have to live in caves under the sea where I
    think they have to plug themselves in to chargers.
    (Christopher, age 7)

    11) – When you go swimming in the ocean, it is very cold, and it
    makes my willy small. (Kevin, age 6)

    12) – Divers have to be safe when they go under the water. Divers
    can’t go down alone, so they have to go down on each other. (Becky, age

    13) – On vacation my Mom went water skiing. She fell off when she
    was going very fast. She says she won’t do it again because water fired
    right up her big fat ass.. (Julie, age 7)

    14) – The ocean is made up of water and fish. Why the fish don’t
    drown I don’t know. (Bobby, age 6)

    15) – My dad was a sailor on the ocean. He knows all about the
    ocean.. What he doesn’t know is why he quit being a sailor and married my
    mom. (James, age 7)

  30. Ralph was attending his biker club’s monthly meeting and had just
    told them he couldn’t make the camping trip scheduled for
    next day because his wife wouldn’t let him go.

    After listening to the jeers and other derisive remarks from
    fellow biker buddies Ralph left to go back home to his wife.

    When Ralph’s friends started arriving to set up camp the
    day,who should be there but Ralph sitting in front of his Fatboy,
    tent up, beer in hand, camp oven roast stewing away in a hot bed of

    “How did ya talk your wife into letting you go Ralph?” “I
    have to” was Ralph’s reply.

    “When I left the meeting I went home and slumped down in my
    chair with a beer to drown my sorrows. Then my wife snuck up behind
    and covered my eyes and said, ‘Surprise’!”

    When I peeled her hands back she was standing there in a
    beautiful see-through nightie and she said, “Carry me into the
    tie me to the bed and you can do whatever you want.”

    So ta da, here I am !

  31. Well now that LOI and Judy have me laughing hard, it is time to go fishing.

    See ya’ll Sat. night.

    Best to All

  32. “To those who have called me a coward I say that they are wrong, and that without knowing it, they are also right.

    They are wrong when they think that I left the war for fear of being killed. I admit that fear was there, but there was also the fear of killing innocent people, the fear of putting myself in a position where to survive means to kill, there was the fear of losing my soul in the process of saving my body, the fear of losing myself to my daughter, to the people who love me, to the man I used to be, the man I wanted to be. I was afraid of waking up one morning to realize my humanity had abandoned me.” — Sgt. Camilo Mejia, who served one year in prison for refusing to return to fight in Iraq.

    I know how he felt…..and he made the same choice I would of had to make. I was lucky to not be in a position to make that choice.

    • Also from Camilo Mejia:

      ”To the troops, I want to say that there is a way out.

      We signed a contract, and we swore to protect the constitution and to fight for freedom and democracy, but that’s not what we’re doing in Iraq.

      And if it means jail, or if it means disgrace or shame, then that’s what it’s going to take…. [T]here is no higher freedom that can be achieved than the freedom we achieve when we follow our conscience, and that’s something that we can live by and never regret.”

    • I say without any pride that I did my job as a soldier.

      I commanded an infantry squad in combat and we never failed to accomplish our mission.

      But those who called me a coward, without knowing it, are also right.

      I was a coward not for leaving the war, but for having been a part of it in the first place.

      Refusing and resisting this war was my moral duty, a moral duty that called me to take a principled action.

      I failed to fulfill my moral duty as a human being and instead I chose to fulfill my duty as a soldier.

      All because I was afraid.

      I was terrified, I did not want to stand up to the government and the army, I was afraid of punishment and humiliation.

      I went to war because at the moment I was a coward, and for that I apologize to my soldiers for not being the type of leader I should have been.”

      • Sir, First, you were not and have never been a coward. I throw the BS flag on this, and I can explain.

        You had a job to do, and despite what you think or believe, it was not to kill other people, it was to keep YOUR people from being killed. If having to kill the enemy to achieve that, you served YOUR fellow Americans with dignity.

        I do understand, taking a chance here, how you feel. Most people don’t want to kill, as a part of their JOB. Your Job was to keep your people alive, against an enemy that, at the time was not understood. That does not make you anything other than a good man, and a leader. You have claimed you would kill to protect your family from those that want to kill them! You, Sir, are no coward!

        Of all the things you have written, much of which caused me confusion early on, Calling yourself a coward, with all due respect, is the dumbest thing I’ve read you ever write. I will not concur now, nor in the future.

        I have had to learn about myself, like you, as well. We have a difference in education, but we are much alike as men. I have more to think on this, so if you would like to reply, do so, if not, I will continue my thoughts in a short time.

        Don’t sell yourself short!


  33. The action taken to national disaster is noble but it’s a damn shame that so many people take advantage of the negative situations.

    I mean everytime there is an earthquake, a flood, an oil spill – there’s always a group of heartless people who rip off tax payers.

    This is in response to reading that 4 of Oprah Winfreys “angels” got busted ripping off the system. Shame on them!

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