Will 3rd Parties Shake Up Future Races?

3RD_PARTYI was attempting to drown my disappointment with Mountain Dew this evening. The Phillies let me down. Brad Lidge, you are now on my list of guys who should not be a closer. Maybe that is just the disappointment speaking. As a Sawx fan, I certainly find it tough to root for the Yankees. But I would actually be OK with them winning if it weren’t for the fact that A-Rod and Joba Chamberlain will get rings. I would have preferred to see them both never get one. But at least Alex has earned it this year. But a Phillies win would have made it a series! Instead we now have to see three wins in a row to make it happen. Disappointing. So I went on to check on how things are going with the big Governor’s races in New Jersey and Virginia. I stumbled across this article and thought, “Hey, let’s take a pulse on the site and see what people think.” They were basically discussing the fact that 3rd parties are having some gain in the current elections and speculating that 3rd parties will have an even bigger impact on the 2010 and 2012 elections.

The article was from Fox News. I found interesting information on other sites as well, but the article on third parties erally caught my interest. I have not put the article in its entirety below. I edited it some, meaning that I cut out sections that I wasn’t interested in discussing or that I felt had little to do with my topic. Most news articles these days add a little fluff, and I didn’t want that. So I kept what I wanted. The link for the entire article will be below. I, of course, added a few random thoughts here and there that I felt needed to be interjected.

Third Party Candidates Shake Up Local Races, Send Warning Ahead of 2010

Third party candidates are shaking up two major races in elections Tuesday, and the success of those candidacies is a warning shot fired at both major parties by voters angry at government and disillusioned by politics as usual.

In New York’s 23rd Congressional district, where longtime Republican Rep. John McHugh stepped down to be Army secretary, Dede Scozzafava, the candidate chosen by state GOP leaders to replace him, was forced out of the race by a surging Conservative Party candidate, Doug Hoffman. High-profile national Republicans endorsed Hoffman, saying Scozzafava, a state assemblywoman who supports abortion rights and gay marriage, had abandoned core GOP values. (I call bullcrap. This is further evidence that no matter the thoughts or concerns at the local level, the national parties have the ability to step in and “force out” a candidate that doesn’t toe the party line. Of course she abandoned core GOP principles. She argued for equal rights and personal liberty…. how dare she)

Corzine, Christie, & Daggett

Corzine, Christie, and Daggett

Daggett is not expected to win the New Jersey contest, and the GOP split in upstate New York could throw the race to Democrat Bill Owens (which would serve the jackasses at the national GOP right).

But the impact of those candidacies on the high-profile contests points to an anti-incumbent, anti-establishment sentiment that could be a prevailing theme in the 2010 congressional elections and beyond.

“What it says is the public is looking for less self-interested parties and candidates who can reflect the needs of a very frustrated public,” said Douglas Astolfi, a history professor at Florida’s St. Leo University. “We have two wars and we’re in a recession that neither party seems to address in any positive way. There’s a deep sense that government has abandoned the common man. People are frustrated and angry.”

Indeed, a Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll released last week found that trust in government is at a 12-year low, and half of all Americans now support the creation of a new political party.

GOP Dead LogoBoth parties ignore such sentiment at their peril in 2010 and perhaps into the 2012 presidential race.

In Senate contests from Florida and Kentucky to New Hampshire next year, conservatives furious at the Republican establishment are mounting primary challenges against more mainstream candidates favored by the national party.

On the other side, Democratic strategists worry that progressives, disgusted by the big money bank bailout and disillusioned with President Barack Obama’s lack of fight on issues such as a government-run health insurance plan, might keep some people from voting. That could cost Democrats seats up and down the ballot.

Political operatives are keeping an eye on independent voters — an important and growing group that often decides elections. Will these voters send a signal to politicians Tuesday as well or will they stay home and leave it to the more ideologically driven base voters in both parties?…… (skipped a bit from here)

Obama ACORN Cartoon VotersHoffman’s rise infuriated leaders of New York’s Republican Party, who insisted Scozzafava was a good fit for the district which favored Obama last year, but is one of the few still held by Republicans in the Northeast.

In New Jersey, Daggett, a businessman and former Environmental Protection Agency official, has appealed to voters who are turned off by both Corzine and Christie and fed up with the candidates’ campaign bloodbath. Daggett was widely believed to be the winner of a televised candidate debate and has been endorsed by The Star-Ledger of Newark, N.J., the state’s largest newspaper.

John Weingart, associate director of Rutgers University’s Eagleton Institute of Politics, said Daggett’s candidacy had succeeded in giving disillusioned voters a competent and credible alternative to Corzine and Christie.

But Weingart said lack of money, the institutional obstacles to a third party candidacy and a growing awareness among voters of the ideological differences between Christie and Corzine would cause Daggett’s campaign to stall.

“To vote for an independent candidate, you have to believe either that the person can win or that there is no difference you care about between the Democratic and the Republican candidate,” Weingart said.

Third Party Candidates Shake Up Local Races, Send Warning Ahead of 2010 – FOXNews.com

So the question becomes again, what impact does a third party hope to have in the elections that will be coming up in the near and not so near future?

Two Parties One Way SignsI tend to believe a lot of what this article is discussing. Americans in general are definitely beginning to realize that the two parties in power are really on the same team wearing different colored shirts. Both are out to gain power, wealth, and legitimacy. Neither party has the interests of regular people at heart. Not one single bit. And I think that includes the President, regardless of what he says, and all the members of Congress, except for maybe one or two. Americans are ready to have an alternative to the two big boys. However, I have a few concerns…

First, we have to ask ourselves if the impact of the 3rd party candidates on the election cycles is a good or a bad thing. On one hand, it does send a message that the two candidates and the two parties are not a choice that the voters were happy with. But realistically, all the 3rd party candidates seem to actually accomplish in the races are a disruption and a altering of the balance of power one way or the other. One of the two big party candidates is going to win. The 3rd party seems to simply have the ability to steal votes from one, allowing the other to win. Whether that is a good thing, I suppose, would rest with whether it is your candidate that benefits.

Next, the fact remains that it doesn’t seem that the two big parties ever get the message. Perot got 19% of the popular vote in 1992, but it certainly didn’t change the course in Washington. Think about that. 1 out of 5 people voted for Perot. And still the two big boys ignored that fact. So I am not sure that the message is ever going to get across to the big boys unless a 3rd party candidate actually has the ability to win an election. That won’t happen in a Presidential election, but could in other elections. The deck is too stacked in the Presidential election. It is literally an impossibility for a 3rd party to win under the criteria set up under the Constitution, unless that candidate got overwhelming support (they would have to win more electoral votes than the other two parties combined, not just have the most).

Reality Obama Both Parties SuckThe thing that warms my heart is that I do think that the average American feels abandoned by the federal government. Let’s face it, the middle class has been ignored for quite a while. If you are wealthy, you get paid attention to. If you are poor you get paid attention to. Otherwise, no luck. And those two segments of the population are not nearly as large as one might think. But they are both powerful in the voting booth. Regardless, the fascinating thing is that the wealthy have always been served. The poor have never been. They get pandered to, by both parties, although it was the Democrats this time around, but the government never does anything to actually change their situation. The government does little for them besides ease their pain while ensuring they will still be there to be pandered to when the next election cycle comes around.

I do think many Americans realize that the two parties are self serving, not people serving. The fact that half of the American public is in favor of creating a new political party tells me they see the evil before them. Unfortunately it tells me that they also don’t understand reality well enough to understand that a new party would replace one of the two we have and end up with the same results. Remember the Republicans were a 3rd party once. And the Whig party died a quick death. But things didn’t exactly get better from there, did it?

Two Evils BumperI think that the bottom line is that we are in a sad position where people are supporting 3rd parties when they see the two big candidates are the pieces of trash they are. It isn’t a support for a different ideal or a new platform. It is a rejection of the two dominant platforms or candidates. And there is a big difference there. A big difference between embracing a new ideal and simply taking any alternative to what is being offered by the big two. But it is a start. Look at New Jersey. Two unpopular choices result in 13% of the people choosing someone who isn’t unpopular, as opposed to the people choosing someone who is really a candidate they think is ideal.

In the final sentence of the article above, it states, “To vote for an independent candidate, you have to believe either that the person can win or that there is no difference you care about between the Democratic and the Republican candidate.” And I think that this points to exactly what I am talking about. People are willing to accept a ton of bad about a candidate if he is simply slightly better than the other big party guy and actually has a chance of winning. It goes to that sentiment that a vote for a 3rd party is a wasted vote, as it allows the candidate you don’t like to win because it denies the vote to a candidate with a chance to win. And realistically, 3rd party candidates don’t have much of a shot of winning, so this is the case in the vast majority of elections.

Don't Tread We the PeopleSo how does that change? It doesn’t…. at least not until the “real thing” comes along. And I think that the “real thing” is exactly what we have been discussing on this board for the last year. A third party will win, and could even win the Presidency, when that party has a candidate that is the real thing.

I believe that the vast majority of Americans are good people. I believe that they adhere to principles and values. Look at the people that post on this site. Are there any who you think are not “good people” in general? I believe they all want to do the right things and help the people who need help and fix the things that are broken. But we all disagree on how to do that. And I think that this is because we fall into the trap of believing that the two options presented are the only ones that can work. We fall into the trap of believing that the people in Washington, or the University economists, or the big business folks, or whomever, are simply better able to make the big decisions.

TrustThat is what we have been told for decades. The economists are the only ones that can fix the economy. Trust them. The politicians are the only ones that can fix the health care system. Trust them. The wall street barons are the only ones that can finance our business world. Trust them. The government is the only one who understands foreign policy well enough to deal with foreign nations. Trust them. The economy, health care, wall street, foreign relations, all of it. We are told that we need big government and all the experts to help us deal with a complex world. They are our protectors. Our saviors. Our guardians.

They are our four horsemen is what they are. They are bringing the apocalypse. Slowly, but surely.

I say bullshit. They aren’t smarter than we are. Common sense, ethics, morals, principles, and values are the tools needed to effectively deal with all the situations we face.

FreedomSo what is the “real thing”?

The real thing is that candidate that operates from the principles of liberty and freedom, rights that we have regardless of and in spite of government’s constant attempts to strip them from us. The real thing is that candidate that truly operates with the best interests of the people in mind. The candidate that talks like Barack Obama, but acts like Ghandi. The real thing is the candidate that adheres to values, principles, and ethics even when they make the task 100 times harder. When that person comes along, they will transcend partisan games and obliterate both major parties because their message will be the one that resonates with the people. The real thing will be that candidate that makes people believe again in the principles that this country was founded on: life, liberty, freedom, equality for all. The real thing will make Americans stand up and act like Americans again. The real thing will make us once again believe in ourselves rather than believing that a man with a golden tongue has the answers to cure our ills.

Just one problem.

The “real thing” would realize that the second he was elected, he would have to step aside and finally allow the people to live free.

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Comments

  1. Interesting article, USW. I’m glad you touched on trust. I’ve mentioned this several times in the past but it wasn’t picked up on. I no longer trust any politician. In fact, there are very few people I trust with anything. I think a third party candidate would require the trust of many voters to have a chance. If those voters can no longer bring themselves to trust a politician, what will happen? Will a good candidate be ignored? How do I bring myself to trust a politician? I guess I’ll have to think on it…..

    • Posting for comments.

      • Richmond Spitfire says:

        Posting for comments also.

        • Spitfire,

          You have been pretty quiet of late. Hope things are going OK.

          Got this from a family member, free plug to a likely liberal.

          A childhood friend has launched a new business, combining her background in the jewelry industry with her ideals. If you or anyone you know are in the market for jewelry this holiday season, I hope you will consider her products.

          > Hi everyone…
          > I launched my business!
          >
          > Ilia
          >
          >
          > http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS203927+22-Oct-2009+PRN20091022

          • Oh my, a “likely liberal”?????

            “conflict-free diamonds” I did not know there were conflicted diamonds…..

            “going Green should never cramp your style — or your bank account” aaaahhh, have you heard about Cap-N-Trade?

            “….era of ethical consumerism, shoppers are looking for ways to
            indulge their sense of fashion while keeping their conscience intact” Wow, just wow!

            More power to your friend, LOI. I’m all about success for the small business and I guess it takes all kinds!

            • Friend of a cousin, thought it kinda interesting in a weird way. Figure I can us it in later arguments as proof I am unbiased, see, I don’t hate liberals.

              I tried to help one,,,,
              once.

    • The two party system is so ingrained that our U.S. Attorney General will not let a community remove the party label from candidates names because it will discriminate against blacks. Translation: some people will not know who to vote for without the D or R behind their name.

      I have not given up on an independent winning if the right person comes along. I’ll vote for you, USWep. When will you run for President?

    • Other than a third party got Clinton elected, I;d like to see a third party.

  2. Ah, how I wish a third party paradigm could work within our current system, but I don’t see it happening. Aside from the fact a third party would not only have to win the presidency, he/she would have to pretty much sweep the Congressional races as well or be burdened by the remaining partisan politics.

    I do agree he/she will have to be as charasmatic as Obama but mostly because charisma sells at the voting booth (for all the wrong reasons–uneducated voters). The problem is, it also means he/she’d have to be pre-approved by Madison Avenue/Main Street Media …

    I’m voting for the socialist party candidate in New Jersey for governor … me and about 300 of my bestist friends … which, as you point out, will translate to 300 votes probably deducted from the Democrat (Corzine). The Republican candidate (Christie) already has corruption issues. Corzine was wealth to start with and then bagged $400 million from Goldman Sachs while he was there (and anything Goldman Sachs leaves a terrible taste in my mouth). My guy (Greg Pason) has no shot, but I’m sick of settling for what might be the lesser of two evils. I refuse to support either of the major parties and in the end could care less which one wins the election(s). They are as corrupt as the system itself. Unfortunately, money talks in a capitalist society.

    • Incorrect. The third party needs only be the deciding votes to affect great change in a government. I live it daily. Its not a “what if” for me or any other Canadian as we know all too well such a system. Its saving grace being as a stop check for whomever is in power is well documented. Had a third party even carried 10% of your senate and congress, things right now would be vastly different. Unfortunately your current attempt at a “third party” is as far from the center as Henry Waxman. What you really need is an American Centrist party very much of the political dogma associated with the Saskatchewan party.

      Unfortunately that’s not likely to happen in that I would think, having spent enough time reading of American’s and what they think their government should be about, the American Centrist party would be roughly 40% of the total vote. The old guard on either side and Obama’s radical guard certainly would NEVER ALLOW SUCH.

  3. Ray Hawkins says:

    Be it as a third party of merely a candidate that represents the will of the people – I hope these folks do succeed. I think any lasting change will take a long time (less something ‘big’ happen to turn over the cart), will have to start small and grow from there, and will have to somehow avoid the pitfalls that curse the two parties today. Fear is that the two parties will go to any length to quash such a movement.

    • Ray,

      Some good points. I still hope for an elimination of all parties.

    • They’d try Ray but as we found here in Canada, being that most occupy the center of society, I believe you would find too in America. The scary thing with an American Centrist party is that it clearly has to be “the center” and it mantra can not contain anything in the way of extremism. There are pro life people who accept abortion as not being murder but just a waste of a potentially great human being. There are conservatives who don’t mind buying lunch for the less fortunate at all and some of us hire people we don’t need too. There are even conservatives who believe bigger government is fine if its productivity is actual and not imaginary. In the same manner I know of both Canadian and American “greenies” who realize their house is made of wood, their patio furniture of plastic and a 40 mile range electric car which desperately needs a flat surface and warm weather as being the paradigm of functional uselessness. The greys are numerous.

      There have always been conservatives, conservative liberals, liberal conservatives and liberals. Little secret, the middle two get along much better than they do with the extremes.

    • I am afraid you are correct, Ray. The two party system is so powerful…any viable third party will see the Repubs and Dems band together to defeat it, I feel. In addition, I see new rules being promulgated within the Senate and House to make it so hard to qualify, that there will be no ballot. The only thing that I think would work would be a write in ballot of immense proportions. I “REAL” third party would be challenged, I feel, in the SCOTUS.

      Having said thus, how I wish we had a third party that was taken seriously.

      I think that the only way to get it started would be the lower races. Start winning them in the trenches and build from there. It will take awhile, but there is going to be no armed insurrection or coup in the US to over throw this system. It will have to be done at the ballot box and it will have to start in the “lower” races.

      In our voting tomorrow, it is sad to report that it is predicted that we will have only a 5% turnout….and this is for taxes, 5 changes to the State Constitution, and bond drives. A very sad commentary. If the prediction is true, then 5% will vote on tax changes that will affect the rest. However, all the tax changes are for lower taxes.

      How I hope for a viable third party.

      D13

  4. USW: I was also shocked to see what happened to Brad Lidge. You’ve got to admit, though that Johnny Damon’s gutsy at-bat, base running skills and some just plain luck turned it around very quickly.

    It will be interesting to see what happens in these elections this week. Hopefully, when Team “O” is finished campaigning, maybe he can do his JOB for a change and quit dithering.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Just what do you see as President Obama’s job? Also, knowing what he seems to think his job is do you really want him actually doing it?

      • Peter B:

        I was thinking the job he is supposed to be doing for the People, things like solutions for unemployment and getting more troops to Afghanistan while our sons and daughters are dying over there.

        I know that’s different from what Obama thinks his job is, stealing from future generations and the erosion of our freedom.

  5. PeterB in Indianapolis says:

    There is a very good reason that you are going to see some strong showings in the near future from 3rd party candidates. The number of people that are totally FED UP with BOTH the Republicans and the Democrats is currently a HUGE number! I think what many people are going to do is look for 3rd party candidates who clearly differentiate themselves from both the Republicans and the Democrats.

    Voters are going to say, “We know what we get with the Republicans, and we don’t like it. We know what we get with the Democrats, and we don’t like it. This person says things that are different from either of the things we KNOW we do not like, so let’s give him/her a shot!”

    Unfortunately, it is unlikely that there will be enough 3rd party candidates elected to make a significant difference, but we can always hope. Perhaps a 3rd party candidate will be elected governor of some State and really turn that State around, which would then give EVIDENCE of 3rd party candidates being able to succeed, which would then bode well for 3rd party candidates in the future.

    If some 3rd party candidates get elected (and some will), but they fail to make a demonstrable difference, then the third parties will quickly fall back into irrelevance (which is just what the Republicans and Democrats WANT to happen).

    • Ray is right … the pressure both parties will excude to keep third parties out of the picture will be relentless. I catch crap all the time from so-called liberal democrats (most aren’t liberal enough for me). They can’t believe I’ll waste a vote on a socialist candidate (or Ralph Nader). They argue it helps the Republicans. What they don’t see is they are representing a party so close to what they claim to abhor, it makes them the bigger hypocrits (as I see it) but definitely ensures a two party system for a long time to come.

      Man, the Phillies are starting to look like the Angels.

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

        Charlie,

        Yes, the pressure against any and all 3rd party candidates will be relentless from both the Republicans and the Democrats. Hopefully this will wake the people up and help them to realize that the two parties we currently have are simply oposite sides of the same coin. Maybe then 3rd parties will make some inroads in spite of unified opposition from the “2” big parties.

        And yes, I was hoping for a better performance from the Phillies. Hopefully they can at least make it interesting before it is all over, but it isn’t looking too good.

  6. Read this in a OP ED this weekend, kind of goes along today’s theme.
    10 Qualities Needed In Our Public Leaders
    1. Courage to make hard decisions.
    2. Character and a set of core values that merit trust.
    3. A clear vision for the future.
    4. The ability to call forth the best in others.
    5. Discipline.
    6. Recognition that he/she is accountable to the people.
    7. The ability to see things, not simply as they are but as they ought to be.
    8. The respect of his/her family.
    9. The flexibility to learn, improve and adjust.
    10. A track record of placing the good of the people over personal ambition.
    By Rev. Bill Shuler pastor in Arlington, Virginia.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      How many of our public leaders even score a 3/10 currently?

      Precious few I am afraid…

    • I have seen these and other proposed VALUES for public office holders.

      They are nothing but garbage.

      Now would someone here please engage your brains and explain why they are garbage.

  7. I glad you decided to talk about this topic today. Hope everyone had a great weekend! Any way, I love the fact that thrid party people are getting more attention and votes. I have been saying this for years to my family and friends. Right now I think will be the best time for someone else. People are looking at the two main parties as two heads getting fed by the same main blood. I havent supported a person from those two parties for a while now. Tired of both.

  8. It’s taken a long time to get to this point and it will take some time to work our way out of this mess. I still do believe it can be done – an optimistic fool, perhaps?

    I think the upstate NY election is actually very interesting and I don’t agree with your take on it USW. Scozzafava was picked by the “party”, however on many issues she was further left than the Dem candidate, including backing the stimulus and card check. She also used the Working Family leg of ACORN for some of her work. Because people are waking up and becoming wise to what all of this means (thanks Beck!!!!), she was called out about her positions during townhall meetings and debates, and soon it got national attention. The Conservative candidate, Hoffman, started getting more looks and his popularity started increasing, while Scozzafava’s dropped. She suspended her campaign on Saturday (conveniently, too late to remove her name from the ballot or to stop those absentee ballots already submitted in her name), and subsequently endorsed the Democrat! Wow! She Arlen Spectored before she was even elected……….thank god for that, I guess!

    I think the biggest change we will see is this kind of questioning and holding candidates, before and after, to their commitments made during the campaign. Doesn’t matter what letter is behind their name. This will be difficult! But I believe Americans know they’ve been had…..and in a big time way……….and are stepping out and speaking up. It’s a start.

    (But seriously, could anyone just take Soros away? Eliminating that money trail would certainly help……)

  9. Off Topic….but.

    They say they’ll protect civil liberties, so there’s no need to worry, right?????

    NSA To Build $1.5 Billion Cybersecurity Data Center

    The massive complex, comprising up to 1.5 million square feet of building space, will provide intelligence and warnings related to cybersecurity threats across government.

    By J. Nicholas Hoover
    InformationWeek
    October 29, 2009 01:07 PM

    The National Security Agency, whose job it is to protect national security systems, will soon break ground on a data center in Utah that’s budgeted to cost $1.5 billion.

    The NSA is building the facility to provide intelligence and warnings related to cybersecurity threats, cybersecurity support to defense and civilian agency networks, and technical assistance to the Department of Homeland Security, according to a transcript of remarks by Glenn Gaffney, deputy director of national intelligence for collection, who is responsible for oversight of cyber intelligence activities in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
    “Our country must continue to advance its national security efforts and that includes improvements in cybersecurity,” Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, said in a statement. “As we rely more and more on our communications networks for business, government and everyday use, we must be vigilant and provide agencies with the necessary resources to protect our country from a cyber attack.”

    The data center will be built at Camp Williams, a National Guard training center 26 miles south of Salt Lake City, which was chosen for its access to cheap power, communications infrastructure, and availability of space, Gaffney said. The complex will comprise up to 1.5 million square feet of building space on 120 to 200 acres, according to the NBC affiliate in Salt Lake City.

    According to a budget document for the project, the 30-megawatt data center will be cooled by chilled water and capable of Tier 3, or near carrier-grade, reliability. The design calls for the highest LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) standard within available resources.

    The U.S. Army Corps of engineers will host a conference in Salt Lake City to provide further detail the data center building and acquisition plans. The project will require between 5,000 and 10,000 workers during construction, and the data center will eventually employ between 100 and 200 workers.

    As part of its mission, NSA monitors communications “signals” for intelligence related to national security and defense. Gaffney gave assurances that the work going on at the data center will protect civil liberties. “We will accomplish this in full compliance with the U.S. Constitution and federal law and while observing strict guidelines that protect the privacy and civil liberties of the American people,” Gaffney said.

    On Nov. 30, the Department of Homeland Security will formally open a new cybersecurity operations center, the National Cybersecurity and Communications Integration Center, in Arlington, Va. The facility will house the National Cyber Security Center, which coordinates cybersecurity operations across government, the National Coordinating Center for Telecommunications, which operates the government’s telecommunications network, and the United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team, which works with industry and government to protect networks and alert them of malicious activity.

  10. Political Parties are the first step in rigging a election. It was a very close race between Clinton, McCain and Obama, but those were not our choices. We have “Primaries” first, to insure all party followers have but one choice, and that puts independents at a disadvantage. They also continue to make it as difficult or impossible for an independent to run. Party candidates have the financial reporting requirements handled automatically, by party specialists. Independents,
    even if self-financed, will have to hire a lawyer and an accountant and a psychic to wade thru the intentionally complex laws most states now have.

  11. USwep
    Warning~!

    Mountain Dew Shrinks Testicles

    (even though Snopes disputes such a claim 😉 – we know we can’t trust snopes.com… )

    But, it has the highest content of sugar of all soft drinks – Sugars 46 g
    (in contrast, Coke only has contains 35 grams).

    That amount of sugar (corn syrup) has been shown to cause severe inflammation of your joints.

    Further, it contains one of the most concentrated amounts of Brominated vegetable oil – bromine, a halogen, displaces iodine in your thyroid, and may cause hyperthyroidism – as well as other, major health problem.

    Mountain Dew is one of the worse soda drinks for your health in the market place!

    DON’T DO IT!

    • Do the Dew. It’s delicious.

      And, remember, it’s nowhere near as bad for you as Red Bull.

      But if you’re looking for a drink that’s bad for your heath, try this:

    • Ahhh..BF…you left out the ingredient of caffeine. Isn’t the Dew also the highest amount of ‘feine?

  12. Alan F

    I disagree with your assessment of a “Centralist” Party.

    Even in Canada, all political parties claim to be the centralist party – and they are. The differences is barely noticeable – minor shades of “Red” Socialists.

    The same in the US – there is no room in the “Center” – Dems/Reps are fascists/socialists – no 3rd party whose mandate would be “Centralist” has a chance – more fascists or socialist then what is there already??

    The only 3rd Party would have to stand out as a radical. And would be ripped apart by the MSM as a radical party!! (See Ron Paul’s attempt).

    National politics is locked up and the key to unlock the system is behind the locked door – inaccessible.

    The whole structure will have to collapse before you can get to the key. By then, the walls will have been destroyed – so why bother with the locked door?

  13. I agree with BF here. Any third party would have to show radically different colors to be viable. If there awere a party that would come along and be able to convince the American people to return to the Constitution, remind them that the issues are different between national, state and local levels, and stand for limited government and personal freedom, they might have a chance.
    At the national level, all a third party needs to have is about 10-15% of either the House or the Senate to foil either parties plans. Capturing 1 State House would put a crimp in either of the big parties abilities to effectively mandate national plans. Make it 2 or 3 states, and then watch the MSM’s heads explode.

  14. The very talkative Glenn Beck,

    November 2, 2009 – 12:53 ET

    Learn more at DougHoffmanforcongress.com

    GLENN: We have Doug Hoffman on the line. Doug Hoffman is the guy that was running as the independent in the 23rd district of New York, and he was running as a third party because the Democrat was, you know, ACORN endorsed and so was the Republican. The Republican drops out over the weekend and then she quickly endorses the Democrat. This is exactly what we were talking about last week. What difference does it make? If you have a Republican that drops out of the race and then doesn’t endorse the conservative but instead embraces the Democrat that was also ACORN endorsed, what difference does it make? Doug Hoffman is on with us now. Hello, Doug.

    HOFFMAN: Hi, Glenn, how are you doing? It’s a pleasure to be here as the common sense conservative Ronald Reagan Republican in this race.

    GLENN: Wow.

    HOFFMAN: Yes.

    GLENN: Now, let me ask you something, Doug.

    HOFFMAN: Yes.

    GLENN: You know, do you how much do you think it is your electric personality that is pushing you to this win?

    HOFFMAN: Well, we all know that certainly isn’t doing that, Glenn. I think it’s the positions that I hold and the values that I hold.

    GLENN: Right, okay, all right. Here’s what I wanted to ask. Because you are a 9/12er, are you not?

    HOFFMAN: Yes, I am. I am proud to be.

    GLENN: And you some polls I see that you are ahead by, like, 17 points. Other polls I see you losing. I don’t I have no I don’t know how the plus or minus could be, you know, 50. But apparently it is. Have you sensed anything here in the last few days?

    HOFFMAN: Yes, I have, Glenn. I’ve sensed a real momentum going in our direction, and we’re still fighting like the underdog and we’re still fighting like we have to get every vote to the polling booth tomorrow and vote for us because it’s not over until it’s over as you know. And we’re getting the message out that if you want less taxes, less spending and somebody that can help the farmers and the small businesses and the individuals in this 23rd district that I’m the person to do it. And if you want higher taxes, then vote for my Democratic opponent.

    GLENN: Here’s my concern, Doug. A friend of mine said to me, I don’t know, recently, we were talking about where is the guy that’s going to run for president, where is this person. And he said, you know what? You should run for president. And I said, we would run out of missiles, and I made the usual joke. And then he said, I’m serious, you should run for president, why wouldn’t you run for president. And I said, well, because I don’t think I’m electable in the first place because I’d be, I’d just be frank with people: If you don’t like it, go pound sand. The second part of it is I would be afraid I would lose my soul. I don’t know if you can go into that cesspool and come out with our soul. How strong are you? Because you know now that the party has said, well, you know what? Hey, Dougie, Dougie baby, we were with you the whole time! We were just getting around! You start to make an impact, Doug, and they are going to do everything they can to pretend they are your friend. And before you know it, you’ve lost your soul and you’ve become one of the Borg. Are you concerned about that at all?

    PAT: Despite the dorky Star Trek reference that nobody probably really understands?

    GLENN: Come on

    PAT: Doug, are you aware of stark trek Next Generation?

    HOFFMAN: Oh, yeah.

    GLENN: Of course.

    PAT: He’s electable, he’s electable.

    GLENN: We could hang out. We could hang out.

    HOFFMAN: I think I’ve shown to the voters of the 23rd district that I stand up for what I believe in and I’m not persuaded by the party bosses. And that’s the way I intend to be the congressman, and I’m going to represent the people of this district. And the people of this district are going to be my boss, and I’ll listen to them.

    GLENN: You know that the you know that we are headed for tough times economically. You are an accountant, right?

    HOFFMAN: Absolutely.

    GLENN: You know that, I mean, there are consequences to your actions. There’s just no way to I mean, we’re getting to the point of no return. We’re going to have massive economic problems, correct?

    HOFFMAN: Yes, we are. If we don’t stop the spending and the taxing, we definitely will.

    GLENN: Okay. They come to you and they say, Doug I was going to use GM but I don’t think there’s anything left of Kodak. Is Kodak in your district?

    HOFFMAN: No, it isn’t. It’s just outside in Rochester.

    GLENN: Well, let’s just use GM because everybody knows it.

    HOFFMAN: Right.

    GLENN: They come to you and they say GM is going under. If we don’t save it, we’re going to lose all of these jobs. It’s going to be an economic nightmare. As GM goes, so goes America, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And they give you a million great reasons for saving it. Do you step in and bail GM out?

    HOFFMAN: I don’t think so, Glenn. I think that’s what’s getting us into this problem. All the bailouts from last year, spending money that we don’t have. And certainly we can’t save every business in this country and if it was a small business, the small businesses generate over 80% of the jobs in the country. We can’t save every small business.

    GLENN: Now when you say I don’t think so, because for me that answer is, no. What do you mean you don’t think so? What would come to play where you would where that would change your mind?

    HOFFMAN: Well, let me be more emphatic and agree with you. I would say no, absolutely. I don’t think we should save mismanagement. We shouldn’t save any corporations that can’t effectively run in the free enterprise system.

    GLENN: See, America, this is the passion that I think you are hearing.

    PAT: It’s understated. It’s understated passion.

    GLENN: Sure. I mean, it’s electric. It’s happening. You know what, Doug? I tell you I don’t know if you saw that monologue I did where I think we called you the wrong name. I think we called you Dave Hoffman. Not my fault. But I did a monologue a couple of days before we had you on and I said, you know, the candidates of tomorrow are not going to be sleek, they are not going they are going to be like you. They are going to be like and I don’t mean you, Doug. I mean like the average person. You were just

    HOFFMAN: That’s what I am is the average person.

    GLENN: Yeah. And it’s not you know, we have to decide. Now, the question is whether you and people like you have the character to withstand the onslaught that you’re going to receive when you get down there. You know, a senator told a friend of mine once, a guy who had been there for a very long time, he said, why do you want to get into politics? He said, I’ve been in politics for a very long time; I’ve never seen anyone leave Washington a better man than they came to Washington as.

    HOFFMAN: Well, that’s a sad commentary. You have to change it somewhere and hopefully I’ll be the person that starts to change it. And Glenn, I hope in 2010 there’s going to be a lot more average people like me not rock stars, not polished speaking politicians, step up to the plate and take this country back and start a new trend.

    PAT: What do you think about what President Obama is doing with our troops in Afghanistan, especially now? Do you find that to be immoral?

    HOFFMAN: Absolutely. As an army veteran I believe that if you are going to put our troops in harm’s way, you have to be fully supporting them. And if a general telling us we need more troops, it shouldn’t be a 60 or 90 day decision. It should be immediately granted.

    GLENN: Yeah, I have a lot of people that tell me that I shouldn’t say these things on the radio. So let me say them on the radio. I’ve come to a place now to where if I’m in congress and I see this and I see this Vietnam attitude start coming down the pike, if I can’t change it and give them everything, I vote to pull them out. Would you agree or disagree with that?

    HOFFMAN: Absolutely. If we’re going to put them in harm’s way, we’ve got to be fully committed to a victory and obtain our objective or they should not be there at all.

    GLENN: Are you for another stimulus package?

    HOFFMAN: Absolutely not. I’m for revoting on the old stimulus package and getting it redirected to small businesses that can create jobs and really create jobs.

    PAT: Doug, would you have voted for the first one?

    HOFFMAN: No, absolutely not.

    GLENN: Would you have voted for see, there was a passionate one. I like that one.

    PAT: That wasn’t even understated.

    GLENN: No, no.

    PAT: That was no!

    GLENN: There you go. All right. Next one, the guy who’s running against what’s his face, the billionaire in New Jersey, Christie, do you think he’s too fat to be governor?

    PAT: Should weight be a

    GLENN: Should weight be an issue?

    HOFFMAN: I’ll stay away from that one, Glenn.

    GLENN: Okay, good. The climate change bill is coming. Do you believe that climate change is man caused, not man caused, not happening, can be cured and turned around. Where do you stand on climate change?

    HOFFMAN: Well, I think there’s a lot of debate on there. I don’t believe that it’s totally manmade, and I certainly don’t believe the cap and tax bill is going to solve that problem.

    GLENN: Cap and tax bill, see what’s happening here?

    PAT: See there?

    GLENN: See what’s happening?

    PAT: He’s getting stronger every second.

    GLENN: He’s getting stronger, there it is, every second.

    PAT: Every second. What about

    HOFFMAN: I have good mentors here.

    GLENN: Wait, wait. Wait, wait. Are they mentors that will show

    HOFFMAN: I’m talking about you, Glenn.

    GLENN: Oh, okay. I was going to say all right, as long as they are standing out from the shadows. It’s not like somebody going, “Doug, I tell you what, you just sign away your soul and I’ll make you king of the universe.” Because those people are coming.

    HOFFMAN: No. Yeah, well, I’m going to keep in touch with people like you so I don’t get infected with that disease.

    GLENN: Have you without naming names, I would never put you in that position. Have you met anybody in politics yet that you went, okay, got to stay away from that person, hmmm? Yeah.

    HOFFMAN: Yes, I have. I have.

    PAT: All right, go ahead and name names.

    GLENN: I said I wasn’t going to. Pat clearly is going to make you name names.

    PAT: Where do I think we asked you about this last week, but I just want to make sure. Where would you stand because this is the next one. After they get the healthcare jammed down our throats and then they try for climate change, they are going to go after amnesty for illegal aliens. Where do you stand on that?

    HOFFMAN: No, absolutely not.

    PAT: Okay, another emphatic answer.

    GLENN: Okay. Let me go back here. If perhaps they don’t get the healthcare bill passed in the next few weeks and you get into office and they are still coming at it, do you look at what they’re trying to do as really truly trying to fix healthcare? Or don’t open the door to these weasels because they’re trying to build a system that doesn’t look like the free market system?

    HOFFMAN: Absolutely. They are trying to build a public option that we’re all going to be forced into and take away our rights on healthcare issues.

    GLENN: Now, I just want you to know, America, look for the headlines because I believe the story will come out now after this interview that he is a racist hate monger that wants to step on the throats of the poor and help big industry and also big war and who else? The insurance companies.

    PAT: And look. As we’re speaking to you, MSNBC is putting up a poll. Doug Hoffman 41% of the vote, Bill Owens 36 and DeDe Scozzafava who dropped out 6%. So

    GLENN: What do you think of her saying I mean, didn’t she, when she first dropped out didn’t she say that she didn’t want to hurt the party and that’s why she was dropping out?

    HOFFMAN: Yes, absolutely.

    GLENN: And then she said vote for the Democrat?

    HOFFMAN: Yeah.

    PAT: Doesn’t that hurt the Republican Party? I mean, maybe it’s just us, but that doesn’t

    HOFFMAN: Well, certainly I would have liked to have her endorse me but maybe it helps me, too.

    GLENN: Oh, I think it does. I think it does. If she would have endorsed you, it would have been the kiss of death. It would have been, wait, something’s wrong with this guy.

    PAT: Should have your people call saying, please, we don’t want your endorsement, no endorsement necessary.

    GLENN: Doug? I like you. You seem like a normal guy. You seem like a nice guy. You seem like the kind of person that we need in Washington which is just a regular person.

    PAT: Stay your same sweet self.

    GLENN: Yeah, please do that because I will tell you that a lot of people are counting on you if you would win and beyond that. You, then people like you who get in, if you turn to the dark side, you will do more damage. And also I think receive more pain in the end of things from the American people because they are really trusting you. They are really, they are saying I mean, you are this is almost like a last line of defense. This is like, okay, well, I’ve just got to have a regular guy in there. You know that, right?

    HOFFMAN: Absolutely. And this might sound corny to you. But as a CPA that’s the way our ethics and morals are is we stick to our values and we don’t change for anything, not even for our clients. We’re out to protect the public.

    GLENN: All right, my friend. Thank you very much.

    HOFFMAN: Okay. Let’s stop Nancy Pelosi so I can get in there and vote against her.

    GLENN: You got it. Thanks a lot.

    HOFFMAN: Thank you.

    GLENN: Doug Hoffman from the 23rd district in New York.

    • From Project 9/12,

      The House Republican leadership is prepared to welcome Doug Hoffman into its ranks, National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Pete Sessions (R-Texas) said Thursday, a sign that the GOP establishment is recalibrating its approach toward the contentious New York special election and the Conservative Party nominee whose candidacy has divided the party.

      “He would be very welcome, with open arms,” Sessions told POLITICO in an interview off the House floor.

      Sessions’s comments came as polls showed Hoffman surging in the Nov. 3 special election against Republican nominee Dede Scozzafava, a moderate who supports abortion rights and gay marriage, and Democratic attorney Bill Owens. Nearly a dozen rank-and-file Republican members announced their endorsements of Hoffman Thursday.

      While the NRCC–along with House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.)—have all thrown their backing to Scozzafava, grassroots conservatives have revolted against the GOP nominee, asserting that she is too liberal for them to support. Some have even called for conservatives to withhold donations from the NRCC in protest.

      On Thursday afternoon, Sessions appeared to tacitly acknowledge that Hoffman may represent the GOP’s best chance to keep the Republican-held seat from being picked up by a Democrat.

      • My concern of the Republicans would be…are they really recalibrating their approach, or are they simply embracing the probable winner in this race…an attempt to gain favor by endorsing him.

      • I do find it interesting that this time the party is chasing and jumping on the bandwagon of the candidate instead of the other way around.

  15. Hey All

    Wanted to say something earlier, but lost power for awhile.

    Would it really matter if we had a 3rd party, or even a 10th party? I ask, because I don’t see anybody out there that can be trusted. They all say the same thing, promise to do this, and I promise to do that, and once they get in, it all flies out the window. I’ve come to the point I don’t trust any of them anymore.

    They all say one thing, then turn around and do another. Just like with Obama, it’s time for a change in Washington, yes, some change huh. Promises to create more jobs, help the little guy, not going to spend, spend, spend, sure, right. Not going to raise taxes, sure you bethca, going to let you keep your insurance that you have now, another lie. Not going to dictate to doctors what they can and can’t do, ummm! sure okay.

    What ever they say, you better look at what side of their faces they’re talking with, because as far as I’m concerned, they all come out of the same mold. I am so disgusted, and getting more discouraged by the day, it’s not funny. I can see their lips moving, and all I hear is , blah, blah, blah, blah. They just keep on saying the same old rhetoric and how they’re going to be working for the people, but instead they’re working for themselves, and seem to forget who they do work for. After all wasn’t it the people who voted for these candidates and believing in what they said? When and if I can find or see somebody worth voting for in the next election, then maybe ,and only maybe, I’ll give it some thought. But, you’re going to have to convince me who is the right person, and it doesn’t matter what they’re running for.

    Hope you’re all having a good day.

    Judy

    • I feel pretty much the same way, Judy. I want to hold out hope that enough Americans will wake up to what’s going on in time to stop it but it gets harder by the day. My daughter is attending Old Miss. Today she told me that her history prof. said he believes that America is at the end of the two party system and that there will be only one party in the near future. It didn’t seem like he was gloating, though I can’t say for sure. I can see the Marxicrats playing every dirty trick in the book to hold on to power.

      • Hi Cyndi

        It’s just the same old song and dance, and you only take so much of it, and right now, I’ve had enough. If there is going to be a one party system, I’d sure like to know what it is and when it’s getting here, because I’ll be damned if I’ll go for what’s out there now.

        • Unfortunately, I think we’re already seeing it. Officially its the Democrat Party but they should go with something more descriptive, Like the Communist Party of America, MarxiBamists, or something. At least that way every American could pick a side and then decide what to do next.

          I’m still seriously considering leaving the USA, permanently. I’ve already brought it up with my Obama loving boyfriend, who amazingly, seemed somewhat interested. I think he’s starting to see the economic reality of what’s happening. Of course, its all the fault of Obama’s Blame Czar, George Bush, but a destroyed economy is a destroyed economy, no matter who brought it on. Barry surprised me. I’ve dragged him across the Pacific Ocean, and now I want to drag him South America! My mom is Peruvian and still has family in several countries in SA. I’m exploring that option. I’ve ordered Spanish for Dummies to brush up on my Spanish before I go practising with my Spanish speaking friends.

          • Jim, my husband has been thinking on the same lines, but where, that is the question. He has family in Italy, so, who knows. But they’re probably no better than we are, or even worse. I understand they have nothing going for them there, that their economy is worse than ours. So, who knows where to go, doesn’t look good anywhere really.

            • A few months ago I bought a subscription to this:
              http://www.internationalliving.com/

              Last week I bought the Uruguay information package. I’m impressed. Its very detailed right down to immigration offices, attorneys, cities, living expenses, culture, language. Everything. My cousins were born there. If I remember, their dad is from Uruguay. I will likely tap those contacts. I love these Pacific islands but foreigners can’t buy property and the nations are highly dependent of the US. When the US finally implodes, these little nations here will likely go with it. The only things holding me up are, I don’t want to leave my honey-pie boyfriend, and happiness with where I’m at right now. I love the island, and my job. I no longer live paycheck to paycheck. I’ve got it really good right now. Of course that could change. We’re all required to take 5 days unpaid time before the end of the year because of budget cuts. They haven’t promised that there won’t layoffs and more unpaid time off, either. So for me, this is the time to start getting serious about the Plan B, and Plan C, if you know what I mean.

              • Excellent, Cindy.

                As one who has lived “everywhere”, if possible, organize your escapes to a nation where their natural tongue included English.

                Being essentially illiterate in a foreign nation where you may be struggling to survive is horrible.

              • Hey Black Flag,

                I know exactly what you’re talking about. I had that problem when I lived in Germany. It cost me thousands! I had to rely on a translator who was either incompetent, or dishonest. She had been with the US Army housing office for twenty years, so I doubt she was incompetent. I’m going with dishonest.

                I figure if I refresh my Spanish and make use of my familial contacts, I should be okay. I also pay alot more attention to my intuition now. I used to talk myself out of it when younger. I’ve since learned to go with it.

                Your advice is sound. One of the things I like about Uruguay is that most of the population is of Spanish and Italian descent. That’s me to a T. I can blend right in if I can get my Spanish back. When I lived in Germany, most Germans thought I was German so long as the conversation didn’t get too indepth. The language barrier is important to consider but so is the ability to blend in. I think that’s going to be equally important in the future.

  16. Richmond Spitfire says:

    Hi Everyone…I’ve missed all of you…been having my buttocks kicked with work, legal battles, Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts and so on…

    Hope you enjoy this…I sure did!

    Best Regards,
    RS

    *********

    The boss of a Madison Avenue advertising agency called a spontaneous staff meeting in the middle of a particularly stressful week. (This is one pretty sharp boss!) When everyone gathered, the boss, who understood the benefits of having fun, told the burnt out staff the purpose of the meeting was to have a quick contest. The theme: Viagra advertising slogans.

    The only rule was they had to use past ad slogans originally written for other products that captured the essence of Viagra. Slight variations were acceptable.

    About 7 minutes later, they turned in their suggestions and created a Top 10 list. With all the laughter and camaraderie, the rest of the week went very well for everyone! The top 10 were:

    10. Viagra, Whaazzzz up!

    9. Viagra, The quicker pecker picker upper.

    8. Viagra, like a rock!

    7. Viagra, When it absolutely, positively has to be there overnight.

    6. Viagra, Be all that you can be.

    5. Viagra, Reach out and touch someone.

    4. Viagra, Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman.

    3. Viagra, Home of the whopper!

    2. Viagra, We bring good things to Life!

    And the unanimous number one slogan:

    1. This is your peepee… This is your peepee on drugs

  17. I think Sarah Palin should run as an independent for the next presidential election. If nothing else, I believe she could get more votes than Perot did…who knows, perhaps the paradigm has shifted enough to get things really shaken up.

    • I think that’s a great idea!

      Here is my offer:
      If Palin runs as an independent or third party and
      If Palin’s campaign is decently run, and she does not seriously disenfranchise her base along the way and
      If anyone runs as a Democrat (hell, even Pelosi) and
      If anyone legitimate runs as a Republican and
      If no serious left leaning third party/independent candidate emerges

      Then I bet $1,000 that the Democrat wins by +15.

      Any takers?

      • Hi Mathius

        No thanks, I’ll pass.

      • I’ll take it…if Pelosi is on the Dem ticket…

      • Matt, are you an jealous feminist?

        The O’Reilly Factor

        Are Feminists Jealous of Sarah Palin?

        Monday, November 02, 2009

        LAURA INGRAHAM, GUEST HOST: In the “Personal Story” segment tonight: Sarah Palin obsession in America, raging apparently as the governor gets ready to re-engage on the national stage with the release of her new book. She’s still the target for some reason of all sorts of attacks. The author of an upcoming book about the governor says the anti-Palin rhetoric is all about jealousy, but is that true?

        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571148,00.html

        And I think if people disagree with her in principle, that’s fine. But look, Laura, the people who attack her control the poison keyboards in this country. But the people who love and support her are still pushing babies in strollers and elderly women in wheelchairs just to go see her, just to go buy her book, which is already No. 1 and not even out.

        INGRAHAM: What do you make of that, Sally? I mean, this book world, which is a tough world for book publishers, sold, No. 1. The book’s not even out.

      • Yeah I will take it with Pelosi being on the ticket as well. The day Pelosi wins a national election is the day I give up on America. Winning crazy ass San Francisco is one thing. That would be a whole other ballgame.

        • Oh, bite your tongue USW, don’t even say that. I don’t mean giving up on America, I meant Pelosi winning.

          Hope you’re doing good, and hope Mrs. Weapon is doing good also.

    • I don’t know if she can Terry. There are a lot of people who think she is a little off the rocker. In order to gain widespread appeal again, she would have to prove that teh things she claimed were accurate and the media merely portrayed her as wrong.

      And what are the chances that (1) She was right on all that stuff, and (2) that she could prove it regardless.

      • OK, but let’s be serious with ourselves, what are the odds that she hasn’t already sold her soul to the dark lord in exchange for political success? How could she lose with that kind of backing AND ACORN?

  18. Here is the cartoon of the day, and what a joke.

  19. I put this up the other day, and thought I’d put it up again today for those who might be interested.

    You will see why when you watch the video…………..

    Ok,this is worth every MINUTE (ONLY 4) to watch this!

    THIS HITS IT OUT OF THE BALL PARK ! AND IT ONLY has HAD 24,048 views

    It was taken inside Congress with a Congressman.. YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS and YOU MUST PASSTHIS ON!!!

    THIS IS IMPERATIVE EVERYONE SEE THIS!! IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE VIDEO TAPES OF THE FLOOR OF OUR NATIONAL LEGISLATURE.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc

    • Judy,

      It is great, I have already shared with my contact list. Found an article
      that went with mine from the weekend.

      Last month the U.S. House of Representatives passed another 13-week extension of unemployment benefits on top of the current California maximum of 79 weeks. And just last week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D‐Nevada) introduced a proposal to extend unemployment insurance by up to 14 additional weeks for jobless workers in all 50 states. The proposal would also extend benefits for an extra 6 weeks in high unemployment states.

      Assuming these provisions survive and eventually get signed into law by President Obama, it means qualifying individuals in California will be eligible to receive unemployment benefits for up to 99 weeks.

      http://lenpenzo.com/blog/id793-its-time-unemployed-people-start-working-for-free.html/comment-page-1#comment-1625

      • Well, right now, for what I read in the paper this morning, Nevada is now at 13.3% unemployed, and I am one of them since last week. I am making an effort to look for a job, but right now, it’s slim pickens and if you don’t speak Spanish, then you’re screwed.

        Don’t whether to wait until after the first of the year, or keep looking for something now. Then there is the thing with my mom, she lives with us, and I can’t take her everywhere with me, and I certainly cannot afford senior day care, and for some reason Medicare doesn’t pay for it. Kind of up a creek here.

        I don’t really want to start collecting unemployment if I don’t have to, but if it comes down to it, then I might not have a choice. Would like to maybe be able to do something here at home with the computer, but there again I don’t know what. Just keep chugging along I guess.

  20. And what is new with our ACORN endorsed, former candidate?

    Hi, this is Dede Scozzafava calling on behalf of Bill Owens. And I wanted to let you know that I am supporting Bill for Congress.

    Since beginning my campaign I have said that this election is not about me, it’s about the people of this district. It’s not in the cards for me to be your representative but I strongly believe Bill Owens is the only candidate who can build upon John McHugh’s lasting legacy in Congress.

    In Bill Owens I see a sense of duty and integrity. He will be an independent voice, devoted to doing what is right for New York. To address the tough challenges ahead we must rise above partisanship and politics, and work together.

    Please join me in voting for Bill Owens on Tuesday.

    It goes without saying that robocalling, though VERY popular with campaigns, is not liked by the public.

    Who wants to pick up the phone and hear a recording of some politician telling you who to vote for?

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/02/what-will-media-think-scozzafavas-robocall-owens

  21. Bottom Line says:

    Figure out how to get tens/hundreds of millions of people to coordinate on any one thing, and you can do anything.

  22. Anyone heard any other reports on this?

    http://rightsoup.com/panic-in-the-ukraine-deadly-illness-looks-like-pneumonic-plague/

    Panic In The Ukraine: Deadly Illness Looks Like Pneumonic Plague

  23. I just heard that the swine flu vaccine is going to go to the Guantanamo prisoners first before they give more out here in the U.S. What’s wrong with this picture. Where are the priorities at?

  24. Interesting.

    However, I have always held the idea that if we somehow get a total ban on political parties, that just might solve the problem. I have also read recently on another blog a really good sounding idea that would also help one heckuva lot – Never vote for an incumbent, EVER! The idea is that this would end political cronyism and career politicians. Only problem is just how would we get all the other folks to vote like that.

    Any ideas?

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