Where is Our Path Forward?

I was reading through the comments the other night and saw that some have increased their call to action. I feel like this is a good thing and I want to address it. I forget who said it or the exact wording (and going back and finding it again is a time consuming task), but the gist was that we have all of these smart folks gathered here on the site and we are all obviously disheartened with the direction of America. Some are unhappy with the Democrats, some with the Republicans. But I think the majority are unhappy with both, unhappy with the direction of America, unhappy with what life has become here in what is supposed to be the most free country on the planet. And with that unhappiness comes a desire to act, at least for many. I hear the calls to take back Washington. I hear the calls to start a revolution. I am all for a revolution. But a revolution in the right way. Simply going back to “the Founder’s principles” isn’t going to get it done. So what are we to do?

For the record, I am in complete awe of the amount of intellect and passion on this site. When I began writing a year ago, I never imagined that such an intelligent group of people would be who ended up reading my ramblings. It comes from both sides of the debates, and it is done with respect, which was what I was really hoping for. But I couldn’t have imagined that so many smart folks would come together in one place. Someone referred to this as a think tank the other day. I agree completely, but unlike the think tanks in Washington, this is a think tank of smart folks who are regular people. Regular people from all walks of life and from many different perspectives. And that makes us far more valuable than any think tank in Washington.

So allow me to explain why I think that path forward is not as simple as “returning to the Constitution.” I know that many of you want that to happen. And I am OK with the concept of returning to the principles that our founders put forth over 200 years ago. But the simple fact is that the Constitution is full of flaws. It allows for ambiguity. And it can be manipulated. The Commerce clause, “general welfare”, taxation, all have been manipulated, interpreted, and twisted to fit the desires of whichever political party is in favor or to take advantage of some by influencing populist opinions. And now with over 200 years of bastardization and interpretation and court precedents, we are simply unable to pretend that we can just turn back the clock and start over. And let’s be honest, we all know that the politicians in Washington are not going to allow that to happen regardless. Exactly how far do you think that legislation would get. Allow me to answer…. nowhere. Not even into committee, let alone out of it.

And that makes things seem hopeless. After all, if the politicians, courts, and government doesn’t feel the need to adhere to the Constitution that was supposed to control them, then what force could possibly control them? We watch as Congress passes bill after bill that a majority of Americans DO NOT WANT. We watch as they break the very laws that they pass. We watch as they decide what issues will be important, what campaign choices we will have, and which of two idiotic solutions the country will pursue. We stand by as they work under the assumption that Americans aren’t smart enough to know better than they and that in the end Americans are too lazy, greedy, and apathetic to oppose them. And you know what?

They are right.

So the first step that I see in getting America back to where we want it to be, has nothing to do with changing Washington DC. I know that seems silly. But the reality, folks, is you can’t change the scorpion. He is still going to sting you halfway across the river. Washington is filled with politicians. And they are far worse than scorpions. They mass produce their venom and export it to everyone. I think that we can all agree that we can never hope to change the Pelosi’s, Reids, Boehner’s, Graham’s, Frank’s, Gore’s, Bush’s, or Obama’s of the political world. Those types of people believe they have the right to screw us all (while claiming they are saving us all). They will never change because they know that they don’t have to. If a mechanism was in place that could control them, that mechanism would have prevented them from being in power in the first place! We have to, therefore, change the mechanism. And there is only one mechanism that can turn things around.

The people.

I know we have said that before. And the folks who want change have always said that we have the power to control Washington. And they are absolutely right. The people are the mechanism that could control Washington. But that mechanism is not set up to do so right now. It is like having a wood cutting saw and thinking that it will cut through metal. The saw is the right mechanism to cut things. But it has to be reconfigured in order to cut metal. It needs a metal cutting blade, a faster RPM. The people are the mechanism for change, but they need to be reconfigured before they are capable of doing the job that we need done.

Allow me to be more clear with the line of thinking that I am pursuing here. The mechanism for change in America does not lie in new laws, voting a whole new Congress into place (although that would be a great start), or putting this or that party back into power. Those are all important things and perhaps they can help once the real mechanism is reconfigured. The path forward, in my humble opinion, is to change the mindset of the America people. Doing anything other than that simply leads down a path that will not get us where we need to go.

The mindset of the American public, in general, these days is that they want to be led. They don’t want to think about what is happening. They don’t want to take the time to actually participate in the American process. They don’t have time. They don’t have the desire. They don’t feel that there is anything they can do even if they want to. And because of this, we have fallen into the pattern of being ruled by whichever party currently does the best job of furthering the populist opinion in their direction. And that means that the two parties in power are no different than any other party that might jump up to replace them. Some other party, no matter how great it sounds, would be doing nothing more than leading the people in the same way the two big boys do now. Until the mindset of America changes, this is the simple eventuality.

You have heard us talk here of the Very Damn Little Government Party (VDLG). Allow me to state why this party would be different. It is because the only way that such a party could come to power in America would be if the people of America are fundamentally changed first. VDLG wouldn’t stand a chance in the world unless we are first able to change the American mindset. Until people view the world differently than the majority of Americans view it now, the VDLG will remain a radical idea that people cannot support because it demands too much of people. VDLG would demand personal accountability, tolerance for different decisions, and an acceptance of the idea that the world isn’t always a nice or fair place.

So how do I see America today? That is an excellent question. I am glad you asked. I see an America that has become fat and happy in its middle class. As a result they have become apathetic in terms of participation in the political process. But this is not the dangerous part of what America has become. What is dangerous is that they have lost track of their values. They have lost track of the idea of respect for others. They have fallen into the trap of believing that government is the answer to people’s problems. They have fallen into the trap of believing that government is attempting to help them. They have forgotten that the people need to be diametrically opposed to the government. Otherwise, the government gains the upper hand, and never fails to use that upper hand. The people have fallen into the habit of allowing emotion and feelings override logic, reason, and facts. America has become averse to risk, individual success, personal accountability, self reliance, and self rule. They have adopted a victim mentality, a “take care of me” attitude, and a partisan hatred that is appalling.

And all of this has to change. That is the reality of where we stand. You cannot hope to change Washington until we figure out how to change ourselves, our communities, our neighbors. Allow me to provide an example of what I am talking about. I know that there is a majority on this site who feel that welfare is a bad thing. I am one of them. We feel that the government creates a state where reality is needed. The handouts change the mindset of the poor and cause them to be lazy, live off the government teat. As a result we feel we have to stop the politicians from implementing these programs that destroy the morale and will of the people. And we are right. However, we cannot stop the government from creating programs like this so long as a majority of the people live in that mindset. So we must change the mindset.

The task at hand is monumental. But I believe that it is the only way for things to change. The task is to change the mindset of the American people. We have to make America come back to her values, her principles, and the things that made her a great country.

I believe that we need to get people to believe in self reliance again. There was a time when the mindset in America was a loud boisterous ” Yes I Can.” Unfortunately we see that America no longer believes in themselves, only in the power of government, and the resounding “Yes We Can” elect a charlatan that promises to continue to make self reliance a sin rather than a virtue. Well, I don’t need government to take care of me. I never have, and they never offered. I was far to self motivated to qualify for whatever they were offering. We need more of that.

I believe that we need to get people to believe in personal accountability. There was a time when the mindset in America was one where we knew that if I didn’t take care of myself and my family, we would perish. Now they rely on government to protect them from everything. Didn’t read your mortgage contract, government will bail you out. Can’t afford your 5 children to 4 different fathers, government will bail you out. You make a mistake, then you pay for it, and you learn from it. You don’t study in school, you fail, and you end up working longer and harder for the rest of your life. We hold ourselves responsible for our own actions, EVERY time, and stop expecting a bailout of any kind. The word bailout should never be mentioned in the same sentence as the word government.

I believe that we need to get people to once again admire those who are successful. There was a time in America when those that worked harder, accomplished more, and found success were looked at as heroes. Hard work was a virtue. Not working hard resulted in finding yourself unemployed. Now the successful are looked at as villains. The class warfare angle has become a political mainstay and is pushed in nearly every issue. That has to change. People need to once again believe that those who gain success have earned it. We need to overcome the politicians wicked lie that success only comes at the expense of others.

I believe that we need to get people to become more tolerant of differing beliefs. There was a time when America was where you came when your beliefs were not accepted where you were. Different religions were accepted. Different trains of thought were accepted. People worked together to create a community despite their differences. Politicians have cultivated a deep mistrust in anyone who does not believe what you believe. They have created a culture where Democrats cannot talk to Republicans, where whites cannot talk to blacks, and where the poor cannot talk to the rich. This, in my opinion, is the biggest damage done to America. And it is what holds us back the most. The politicians have executed a perfect divide and conquer strategy. We need to find a way to come together.

Most important, I believe that we need to get people to once again understand and embrace the concepts of individual liberty and personal freedom. There was a time when this was the very principle that founded this country. People were free to gather in communities of like-minded people and live their lives their way. So long as you were not infringing on the rights of others, it really didn’t matter what you did. Sadly, this is the concept that is most lacking in today’s America. Each half of the political spectrum believes that they have the right to infringe on the rights of the other half in some way. People worship the idea of “The Greater Good” (which I have pointed out, is a myth). If we can find a way to get the people of America to once again worship at the alter of individual liberty, almost all of our problems would be solved.

So there you have it. There is USWeapon’s path forward. We cannot change Washington until we change the American mindset. So long as the mindset of America fails to put individual liberty, personal accountability, self-reliance, and tolerance of others at the top of the priority list, we will continue to elect and follow people who take our country further down this path of destruction. So I believe that our first step is to find a way to begin to change the mindset of our communities.

Now comes the tough part. How do we do that?


  1. Posing for comments. Self-reliance = Pride, Government-relience = slavery. Many say that slavery was bad, I agree. Why do the ancestors of these slaves want the same? Not all mind you, but many. This could be viewed as a starting point. Change the mentallity of those in the cities, and the socialist power structure will fail and collapse. Will ad more later.



  2. USW:

    Great article. Posting for comments.

    One year ago I would not think the way I do today. I found your site in February or March. I read a few books and read SUFA. I listen to talk radio and read various sites on the internet. I’ve educated myself but I knew something was wrong and that led me (motivated me) to your site and others. I was motivated to find out what’s wrong with government.

    The key is educating others and we need to find a way to do that. I know JAC, Black Flag,PeterB and others have some good ideas. I don’t know if all the ideas should be posted here or not.

  3. USW:

    Bravo sir, bravo.

    Well done.

    Step One = Awakening

    a) Recognize that something is wrong.
    b) Evaluate and Identify problem.
    c) Develop vision of possible future.
    d) Educate others.

    Step one is the beginning of a search for a philosophical base that supports freedom, liberty and justice for all. It is the step that has taken almost 1 year for many who visit here. For some it has come sooner and for others it is still out of reach.

    Before Americans will be able to seriously look at the issues you rais, they will have to AWAKEN to the fact that something is wrong and that there is another possible future. It does not have to be specific as in a party platform. It needs to be philosophical in nature, like the concepts you put forth.

    Once America is Awake and Alert, then you can have a discussion about what is needed and how to fix it. And it won’t take nearly as long to get through the next steps.

    We need to form a core of people across this country who will act as teachers, as the antagonists to current thought. They are the Radicals.

    They need to carry the message. This means we need to search high and low to find them. Those that BF calls the Remnant.

    JAC was here.

    • JAC,

      Currently reading “A History of the American People(written by an Englishman)”
      He states Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense” was the most successful publication ever. Another point, the Revolutionary War was the first media drive war in the world. Kinda wondering if we could write a modern “Common Sense” VDLG inspired, and experience significant internet publication?

      Words are weapons, sharper than knives, Cher

      was here.

      • LOI

        In some respects we are all working on such a book right here at SUFA. Our thoughts and arguments are seen by thousands every week.

        Re: Paine, remember he also included his views regarding abolition of private property and other socialist concepts in his writing. Perhaps that is how it seeps in. The righteous mixed with the evil, and we don’t see the evil.

        Love your sign off.

        JAC was here.

  4. Good Morning, USW. Very interesting article and very on target. It has to start with the individual finally getting pissed enough to do “something”. Trouble is…I think that most want to do something. It is the what or the how. I have been on your blog for only about four or five months, now and it has been very interesting to see the differing thoughts. There were times that I would get upset with how anyone could think a certain way until you watch the blog for awhile. Then you have to draw the conclusion that there are those on here that just want to destroy thinking…there are some that think their way is the only way… there are some that read this just for knowledge…but there is one thing in common that I think has been overlooked. EVERYONE on here is enjoying the freedom to be here, read, and post. THAT is what is important right now. WE STILL HAVE THE FREEDOM TO BE HERE.

    • Sorry, hit the wrong key and posted. Will finish below.

    • You (USW) and I have been in areas where that freedom did not exist. We have been in countries and areas where to speak up or write resulted in death. So, that is the basic premise that we have. Point number two is that unless we do something drastic and quick, we better recognize that this basic freedom is being eroded and will not be here and then you and I and the others on here will not be here. Having said that…on to the topic.

      How to do this. This site is a start. JAC is right about carrying the message but I think that it is too late to try to organize a large group quickly. I think that it is going to take individual leaders to start now…. locally. I think that we are too far along for the current government (the two party system that has been hijacked by, you guessed it, both parties) will allow this to happen. I think that a good example of this is Sarah Palin. It is no secret that I am neither pro nor con on this lady. I am not buying her book or standing 17 hours in lines to shake her hand for five seconds. But hundreds of thousands are…..why? It is not because they are stupid, drinking political Koolaid, or some such….it is because she is perceived to be a person of true change. Obama’s pledge of “hope and change” that swept him into office despite his leftward upbringing and social leanings and education. Sarah Palin is scaring the left and I really…STILL…do not know why except that she is drawing crowds that the current administration is not doing. But she is drawing those crowds for a reason and I think it is because she has taken on the Repubs and the Dems alike. Why is the re-election arm of the Obama campaign so concerned this early that they are raising money JUST and only JUST to shut her up? I think the reason is not that it is Sarah Palin,,,I think it is her message. Her gatherings are not one or two thousand,,,,they are tens and hundreds of thousands. To attack these people, as some have, as uneducated red neckked idiots better stand in line with the same uneducated discriminatory idiots that voted the current administration and Congress in….See my point? People want to follow a message and because she seems to resonate a message that is neither Repub nor Dem is something to take note of.

      Now, lets take this a step further. People will also follow leadership. True leadership. Let’s very quickly examine the current leadership now. You have a greater awareness of the bribery (and that is what it is) that is happening now in Washington. I don’t have to list the examples as they are out there for everyone to see now. Selling out for votes and things of that nature. In our information age now, these things are on the news before the money is in the bank. There are a lot of catchy phrases that used to resonate but do not now….National Health care, for one. Nice catchy phrase but the costs are now beginning to catch attention. People, the silent majority, are having a hard time right now buying food and basics and are not allowed to run deficits in their banking system and are beginning to see what is happening. So, true leadership is necessary and that starts at the lowest level. The precincts, parish, blocks, sheriffs, mayors, governors….this is where I think it needs to start.

      I have been trying to lead by example. I may not be right but I am doing something. I have taken the time to do more than write and work. I have an organized effort and doing so quite effectively because it is easy, right now, to find people willing to finally stand up and say something and do something and to even give more than time…their money. Not to a PAC..not to the Repub or Dem party. Actually, Black Flag made me so angry one day with his anarchy talk that it made me get off my butt. He and I have very differing views….or do we really. I think he and I are much closer in thoughts and freedoms but….methodology is simply different. But I have started a movement here. Hell, we have not even named it to stay under the radar but we are becoming effective. We prioritized. Our first priority was illegal immigration. We are beginning to see less and less of it here. The business’ are hiring fewer because they do not like the publicity we are giving them. The emergency rooms (except the county) are having fewer because we are taking pictures of license plates and people. The Apartments are renting fewer and fewer to illegals because they do not want the publicity of it.

      We are now taking on the educational system. We are getting involved in the PTA meetings and the City council meetings and we are watching closely the proceedings in Austin. We are getting information under the FOA, to find and change the method of funding the public schools that is currently based on attendance and not based on citizenry. We are protesting tax increases in public meetings and showing up in force and helping individual homeowners fight property tax increases that go directly to the schools and county hospitals and recording the proceedings and then publicizing those proceedings.

      WHY? Not because we do not like or want Hispanics. I do not care what color you are or where you are from but you better be here LEGALLY. If some of you don’t like our laws…then get busy and help us change them but in the meantime…LIVE WITH THEM and stop the hypocrisy of picking the laws you like. I am sorry that things around the world are not good and people are hungry and they are looking for jobs for their families. Life is tough all over. We are concerned because of the COST….the MONEY that we need to feed our children, educate OUR children, get better health for OUR children. This is just ONE example. We have a list of five priorities.

      Have a great day….excellent post.

    • I gotta keep going…..USW you got me fired up today and it is Monday and I have a 42 oz Dr Pepper.

      USW posted: Self reliance, personal accountability, admire those who are successful, tolerant, individual liberty and personal freedom.

      D13 says: Great words and phrases and all with great meaning. But these words and phrases take responsibility to make them worthwhile. (perhaps that is your meaning of personal accountability).

      Do you think that our love affair with political correctness blunts any of this?

      For example, let’s use what I am doing in Fort Worth. Some on here will say that I fail at tolerance because I am picking on illegal immigrants. Is denying them jobs, food, housing, and medical attention a failure of tolerance if I want our laws respected and followed?

      Does tolerance mean acceptance? Does tolerance mean that we accept Shariah Law in our community?

      Does individual freedom and liberty mean that we ignore our laws, no matter how much we despise some of them, and go our own way without changing the law?

      I like your definitions and examples…but do we drop our love affair with political correctness to accomplish your objectives?

      I vote yes.

      • Great points. We’ve allowed PC to become the catchall and backup to any action that appears to be not tolerant.

      • I also vote yes D13. I believe that political correctness was a brilliant plan contrived by those who would stifle honest conversation. We need to eliminate PC from our vernacular and move forward with an embracing of personal values and honest conversation. I have no problem being criticized (which is a good thing on this site!), and I take everything as a learning experience. More of that needs to happen in America.

  5. D13:

    Great post and great job.

    I would add that what you are doing is part but not all we need to do right now. Because we are shorter on time than ever we must conduct the Awakening step while organizing and taking action at the local level.

    Thank goodness they are not in conflict. For as folks organize locally they can also educate on the bigger picture. In the meantime, it brings the local govt back to the people.

    Our new “conservative” group here is growing and primarily focused on getting folks educated as to what is going on. This included staying on top of politcians activities and reporting back to the groups. Daylight has caused a few to whither in fear.

    The best to you and yours my Texican friend.

    • Yeah…I wish there were more than 24 hours in a day…. 🙂 You should see the resentment that we are getting. It is fun, though. Next we are heading to the welfare lines and taking pictures of the food stamp recipients…you know, the ones that drive up in their Mercedes and Jaguars with I phones and such….those. It is quite funny to see them run from pictures and park two blocks away.

      Anyway, we have a Senator that is to replace Kay Hutchinson that believes like we do. VERY much a supporter in personal freedoms and less government. Hoping that we can protect him against the Potomac Fever.

      Have a great day, JAC.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Especially for politicians, sunlight is the best disinfectant.

  6. We stand by as they work under the assumption that Americans aren’t smart enough to know better than they and that in the end Americans are too lazy, greedy, and apathetic to oppose them. And you know what?

    They are right.

    Mathius’s First Law: People. Are. Dumb.
    Mathius’s First Second: People. Are. Lazy.
    Mathius’s First Third: People. Are. Greedy.
    Mathius’s First Fourth: People. Are. Lemming.

    Right on, Weapon.

    Adding, in response to our conversations on Facebook from Friday, I have decided to set up an account. Right now, it’s pretty empty, but I’ll probably wind up adding some things eventually. I friended only a few people, but all are welcome. If you can find me. 😉

    • Wow, there were some typos in there. It’s too early in the morning..

      Mathius’s First Law: People. Are. Dumb.
      Mathius’s Second Law: People. Are. Lazy.
      Mathius’s Third Law: People. Are. Greedy.
      Mathius’s Fourth Law: People. Are. Lemmings.
      Mathius’s Fifth Law: Mathius. Should. Proofread. Better.

      Today feels like it’s going to be a fun day.

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:


        Your laws over-generalize. For example, this site is filled with people who really don’t fit any of your “laws” (except #5), and yet the people on this site represent a broad cross-section of the population.

        Well, maybe quite a few of us fit your 3rd law, but you must remember that greed isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Greed is a strong motivator. It is what you DO with that motivation which determines whether you are good or evil. For example, if you are lazy and greedy, you will either take advantage of others for your own personal gain, or you will strive for personal gain regardless of the damage you cause. However, it is also possible to be responsible and still be “greedy”. This generally leads to great personal success.

        Yes, I would say that there are too many people that do fit your first 4 laws, but we here at SUFA are shining examples that there are plenty of people out there that just plain ain’t like that. If you paint with too broad a brush, you miss all of the details.

        • Pete,

          The fact that you’re reading this is evidence that you are not one of people I am talking about. You, sir, are an exception to the rule. As is everyone else who has take the time and energy to find this blog and discuss or inform themselves of the issues. We are, however, a very small minority. The vast overwhelming majority as just as I describe: apathetic, lazy, stupid, and greedy lemmings.

          And, no, greed is not always bad. But it is when your mantra is “GIMME GIMME GIMME!”

          Though I would ultimately head in a different direction than many here, I agree that an involved and informed populace would be a huge first step in the right direction.

          • Greetings Matt,

            I have discovered another group of people. They are afraid. Afraid of the future. They know someting is amiss but they don’t know what to do about it, so they whistle past the graveyard, hoping that something will change the course. I think these people can be reached.

            • And I wish you all the luck in the world. I do not believe, however, that most of these people can be reached. I think they are afraid, I agree, but I believe their cowardice overrides all else. They will never budge, they will never believe in anything, let alone stand up for it. They are the masses who say ‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone.’ Democrat, Republican, Islamofascist, Communist, VLDG, it makes no difference to them – they will hide their heads in the sand and wait as the winds of history sweep past them. And they will just be pulled along for the ride.

              You can’t count on them. They are not on your side. They are not on anyone’s side. They aren’t even on their own side.

              Forget them.

              • You have a point, but IF it gets bad enough, as in they no longer have a living room to hide in, they may get a clue.

                However, I will give you the point on this one.


      • Mathius’s sixth law: Dr Pepper is required drinking. (Dublin Dr Pepper, of course, it is real cane sugar).

        • Wow… I feel just like a politician. I just added a law that nobody read and did not even require a vote. Cool.

          • No, I’m sorry, I maintain absolute veto power over Mathius’s laws. Plus, of course, I cannot infringe on the freedoms of other by requiring them to drink such a vile and disgusting beverage.

            Now Red Bull.. such a law, I could consider. But then again, supply/demand would probably make it much more expensive to get my fix.


          • I think Dr Pepper is disgusting, however, in the name of tolerance, I do not protest. My plan, if required to consume a can, is have an accident that involves spilling my ration, or dumping it down the drain when no one is looking. 😉

            Good Day to you Gentlemen.


            • Drinking DR. Pepper should be considered cruel and unusual punishment!!

              • Agreed. Nasty stuff. Gimme my Fresca!

              • Agreed. Gimme my Red Bull! (having one right now, actually – drinking it out of a coffee cup ’cause they’re banned at work)

              • They banned Red Bull???? What the Hell?? What’s the excuse?

              • “It’s poison. You are not allowed to bring that into the office anymore.”

                How dare he infringe upon my freedom to poison myself? FASCISM! FASCISM, I SAY!

              • If its a hazardous chemical, there should be a MSDS. If they can’t produce that, well…Of course, you have to work there and so long as you can sneak it in, it probably isn’t worth the trouble. Still. What a bunch of losers.

              • Red Bull, like coke…..pour it on battery cables…eats the corrosion right off….however, I do like Fresca as well.

      • People are greedy-have you ever considered that it isn’t the greed of the rich but the greed of the lazy that cause most of the loss of freedom. Those people who take who don’t need to-Those people are the ones who are stealing from the poor who really need help-Those people who make any attempt to help the needy turn into a monster giveaway system- Which causes people who don’t mind helping but don’t like being @&*$#*# to protest. Those people who make it possible for our representatives to preach socialism for the greater good because the need is inflated. Kinda off subject but just food for thought 🙂

        • V!

          “the greed of the lazy that cause most of the loss of freedom.”

          Excellent point!

        • It is the greed of both, actually.

          It is the greed of the wealthy and powerful who use their wealth and power to coerce and manipulate in order to enslave the poor. The robber barons. And, in today’s world, the heads of large multi-national multi-billion dollar companies seeking bailouts for their own mistakes so that they can have multi-million dollar bonuses.

          It is the greed of the lazy (NOT THE INCAPABLE – I HAVE SAID THIS MANY TIMES AND JUST WANT TO REITERATE IT). The lazy would would pass themselves off as the truly needy in order to “suck at the public teat” and live for cheap off the honest labor of the masses. They take advantage of our compassion for the downtrodden. They, like the cuckoo who lays its egg in a foreign nest, seek only to soak up resources they do not deserve.

          And it is the justifiable greed of everyone else. We who are caught in the middle and see the theft from all sides, so we seek to find loopholes for ourselves. Perhaps we cheat on taxes. Perhaps we clock out early. But we (by and large) scam the system too because the system scams us.

          We are – all of us – responsible. And when everyone’s cheating, is it really cheating anymore?

          • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

            Yes Mathius, when everyone is cheating, it is STILL cheating. The moral have simply failed to stand up to the immoral.

            • I’m not so sure, Pete. I’m just not so sure anymore. Who makes the rules of the game? We all do. If we all choose to ignore those rules to some degree or another, then we have an implied set of rules that says it’s ok as long as you don’t get caught.

              I’m not saying it’s moral. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m just saying that you can’t really consider it cheating. If you play Monopoly and use family rules that allow you to take freely from the bank and other players, is it cheating to do so?

              • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

                Monopoly is a game, and, as such, if all of the players wish to modify the rules of the game to suit themselves, who cares? The game might not be particularly fun anymore depending on the modifications, but then you can just choose not to play!

                Society is not a game. Where society has moral rules, it thrives. Where moral rules are non-existent or are replaced by immoral, arbitrary, and capricious rules, society fails.

                Sure, we can say that it isn’t cheating since “everone does it”, but look at the impact that has on society. It gradually becomes more and more unsustainable.

              • Below, 18

          • I’m certainly not gonna argue that there isn’t enough greed in all areas of society that contribute to the craziness of our government but I still think it has always been the greater good idea that has allowed the government to grow to the point that they can do the things they do. If people hadn’t decided to let the government take care of them, that they were somehow owed a living-then I think things would be a lot different today. As far as your question-you know the answer wrong is wrong-which is one of my problems with our society, we have become so accustomed to hearing people justify doing wrong that we are losing our moral compass.

            • See, the politicians generally haven’t been doing things for the greater good. They may use that as an excuse, but when push comes to shove, 95% of what they pass is self-serving nonsense. Bulldookey, if you will. All the pork and waste is self-serving and they just pass it off as serving the greater good.

              But that other 5% is something special. Hate crimes legislation. Social security (even if poorly run and stolen from left and right). Defending our allies. Foreign aid. FEMA (even if occasionally poorly run). EPA. FDA. National defense (though bloated). Endowment for the arts. National parks. Endangered species act. Science grants. Etc. There’s some good stuff here. None of these really helped the politicians themselves, and in many cases were deeply unpopular, but they are good for society at large. None of them are perfect. But they do serve the greater good.

              See the difference?

              • v. Holland says:

                I agree that they have only used the greater good as an excuse and I will even agree that some things they have done is good but on the whole it has hurt a great deal more than it has helped-You look at social security and say it is good because you are looking at it after people have become used to it and dependent on it-but was it really necessary or did we by passing it just create a dependence in people instead of encouraging them to provide for themselves. Did we not create a money eating program that we probably won’t be able to continue-then what will people who have bought into government help do. Wouldn’t it have been better to have let people take care of themselves or for their families to take care of them and then if there were people who just couldn’t take care of themselves let charity or even the government step in with a program that was sustainable.

              • Sounds great. But, as I seem to recall from the history books, there were huge numbers of broke seniors living homeless on the sidewalks when it was passed.

                You say dependency, and I agree, but the burden is too big to bear alone. And what? They should have 17 kids to ensure that they’ll be taken care of in their old age? What happens when those kids retire? They should also have 17 kids each?

                See, here is a great example of what I’m talking about. Social security was designed to help those who couldn’t help themselves. 60, when it was passed, is 90 today*. But self-serving politicians and organizations prevented the greater good from being served by selfishly hoarding resources by allowing it to be used by people who were (in health terms) much younger. Your average 65 year old can still work, but doesn’t because the AARP forced the government to keep the retirement age unsustainably low and benefits unsustainably high. Greed trumped the greater good, and then hid behind it. So we see this massive wasteful program and say: See? The greater good fails. But it doesn’t – it was greed that failed us.

                *I made the numbers up, but my point is probably accurate.

              • v. Holland says:

                Okay, there was a problem and the government’s answer was to instate a huge socialistic program instead of giving temporary help-then they proceeded to screw it up-now we don’t have the money to pay for it. So by giving the government the power to take our money so they can create these huge programs it gives them a lot of money which leads to all that greed and power you are talking about-Big government is not the answer to societies problems and allowing them to grow so big is what gives them the power to hurt us and use their greed to do the bad things you talk about. Smaller federal government, more state control will lead to more freedom and less greedy politicians just pretending to actually help people. Your giving them the keys to the kingdom so they will throw crumbs to the peasants but the peasants are actually accepting the crumbs while paying for the elites castles. castles.

              • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

                The “greater good” always fails, because it doesn’t exist.

  7. Good article USW and kudos to D13 for your action. I know I need to step up my actions – I’ve done some (tea parties, letter writing, calls), but need to focus more locally. I also need to find a local group or develop one so efforts can be more coordinated and more visable. I like your idea of 5 priorities D13. That seems manageable.

    I feel the speed of Washington’s actions is a good news situation. You need to be under a rock to not have some sense of foreboding right now. The outright bribes for votes are now being bragged about instead of hidden – see Mary Landrieu’s speech correcting everyone she didn’t snag $100 mil for her vote – she got $300 mil. Dubbed the second Louisiana purchase, she apparently has no shame that she could be bought.

    Educate and expose. That’s my motto.

  8. Call out to BF – weren’t you working on a post with ideas on getting involved and changing things locally?

  9. PeterB in Indianapolis says:


    From my point of view, disregarding laws which you do not agree with is not NECESSARILY hypocrisy. You see, many laws directly contradict individual liberty and personal freedom, which are the values that many of us here claim to wish to uphold.

    If you wish to uphold individual liberty and personal freedom, and yet you support laws which contradict individual liberty and personal freedom, then that would be hypocritical.

    I would suggest you examine many of the so-called laws which we currently have, and ask yourself, “does this “law” flow from the values which I support, or does this law contradict my values?” All of us (myself included) support some laws which contradict our stated values. I am trying to eliminate the contradictions, and it is a difficult process.

    I think going through this sort of process and encouraging your family, friends, neighbors, and colleagues to do the same is a good beginning.

    Take for example the proposed “healthcare legislation”. All you have to do is ask yourself, “does this legislation make me more free, or less free?” That one has an obvious answer. As I have stated before, the goal of affordable healthcare for everyone is laudible; however, the path to it needs to be one which aligns with individual liberty and personal freedom. The path we are on right now is nothing but coercion and force.

    • Peter….hmmmm…interesting philosophy however, the laws are written. You are quite correct in that there are many laws that contradict liberty and freedom. But, I see it, that as a nation of laws, good or bad, we cannot choose to follow some and not follow others. This is the hypocrisy…picking and choosing what suits us. Your argument is not lost on me, however, and it is a good one. But, you know me and reality….sigh. But, as I tell my son, you may not like the current law on marijuana and it matters not what the facts show about whether it is or is not a “drug”….it is not relevant. The fact is….it is a law and if you violate it, you will be wrong….don’t smoke it. Period. you can go to jail yelling all you want about how unjust it is…but remember this. Sit with your back against the wall because you will be in jail and “bubba jail humper” may be there.

      • D13:

        You have expressed a thought that exemplifies the need for solid foundation. To pick and choosed among the laws IS IN FACT consistant. It IS NOT hypocritical.

        Your judgment is based on the wrong paradigm.

        Change from “we are a nation of laws” TO “we are a nation of moral laws”.

        Then your conclusion would be true.

        One of the greates fallacies of our govt is that the citizens are compelled to follow immoral or unjust law. They are not and there is historical presedence to support that.

        • Having a problem with this JAC-We are also a society with societal norms that are voted on by the individuals in the society-to just decide that all the individuals in this society can just decide for themselves which laws are moral seems dangerous and is making the assumption that all have the same definition of moral or even care about morality to begin with.

          • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

            V. Holland,

            First of all, name the laws which were “agreed upon by a majority”.

            Outside of laws passed by voter referrendum and Constitutional Amendments, THERE AREN’T ANY.

            Secondly, the majority is almost never moral, so judging that a law is “good” simply because “most people agree with it” is silly.

            Take again for example the current healthcare legislation being offered. Last surveys I saw showed over 50% of Americans OPPOSE this legislation, yet it is almost sure to pass anyway.

            When you claim that most laws are passed with majority support, you are simply incorrect. Most laws are passed by 535 elected officials that vote however they feel like voting, regardless of what the people think.

            • v. Holland says:

              I will think about your words because there is truth in them but I see chaos and as with our discussions about no government-I still don’t see a society being able to function without agreed upon laws that can be enforced.

              • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

                I have never stated that society would have no laws.

                I am all for laws that actually make sense.

                I am totally against all “laws” which take away freedom and liberty.

                Laws which directly flow from freedom and liberty are absolutely fine!

              • v. Holland says:

                Yes sorry, I know you believe in natural laws-I just still don’t see how they can be enforced without a structure and I still believe that once you add the structure, you will have created government but that discussion is ongoing and should probably be left for another day.

              • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

                You define government as “structure”.

                I define government as “the self-claimed monopoly of the right to use force or coercion”

                I have nothing against “structure” provided that the structure does not rely upon using force or coercion against the non-violent. Once it DOES use these tools against the non-violent, then yes, you have indeed created “government”

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:


        Following a law which you know to be immoral is… well… immoral.

        Just because something is a law doesn’t mean it is a “good” law. Yes, you can still get in trouble for ignoring or breaking “bad” laws, which is just another shining example of what is wrong with government in general. They use force to force us to follow laws which we know to be immoral.

        I plan on telling my sons (when they are a bit older) that I do not reccomend that they smoke marijuana or do any other drugs, mainly because such drugs are generally harmful in some way or another. I am going to tell them the same thing about drinking alchoholic beverages (even though these are legal).

        I will certainly mention to them that certain drugs are “illegal” and there could be nasty consequences for getting caught using “illegal” drugs, and then I will also point out why such “laws” are illegitimate laws.

        I don’t necessarily advocate that people blatantly flaunt the fact that they are ignoring or violating certain laws, but you should really ask yourself, “If I were King, would I make this law? Why or why not?”

        By the way, the other day when you were on the freeway and the speed limit was 70 and you decided to go 85 to keep up with the flow of traffic, you were violating a LAW!!! 🙂

        (I don’t know if you personally did that the other day, but I bet that most people reading that probably did :))

        • Ahhh..in Texas, speed limits are generally looked at as minimum speeds.

          Look, my drug reference was just that….a reference. I told my kids the same thing…it is harmful to health but there are those that argue. But…we do not have the freedom to pick and choose laws. That is the reality. In your example, go ahead and speed, then claim it is immoral, and explain that to a judge. Why beat your head against a wall….if it is too high to climb, tear it down or go around it….rebuild it. In the meantime, obey it. I think, aas you do, it is immoral to have to pay taxes…but you do because the reality is you go to jail if you don’t. That is my argument.

          I will work to change them…in the meantime, I will stay out of jail until I can change them.

          • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

            Oh I agree,

            The CONSEQUENCES of choosing not to follow an “immoral law” are still consequences nonetheless.

            People should not be put into a situation where they must follow an immoral law in order to avoid such consequences, but unfortunately that is where we currently are.

            Yes, in order to change the situation, it is best to stay out of jail in the process 🙂

  10. Judy Sabatini says:

    Good Morning All:

    Reading along for now, and I hope everyone will have a good day.

    Mathius, what changed your mind?


  11. Gold at $1174

    Gold prices soared to a record 1,174 US dollars an ounce here on Monday as a sliding US currency and worries about a possible spike to inflation increased demand for the ‘safe-haven’ metal.

    Gold hit exactly 1,174 US dollars an ounce in late trading on the London Bullion Market.

    Dollar still racing to the bottom….


    Nov. 23 (Bloomberg) — The most accurate dollar forecasters predict the world’s reserve currency will continue sliding even when the Federal Reserve begins to raise interest rates, which policy makers say is an “extended period” away.

  12. Mike M. Houston Texas says:

    D13 please send mail. I think Houston needs a dose of what you are giving Ft. Worth.


    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      This is how it begins… people take back control of their own local areas… and then it spreads!

  13. ALL

    I am sorry but will not be able to discuss this topic with you today or rest of the week.

    Trip to spend Turkey day with Son.

    You look like your off to a good start.

    Will try to look in if I can when I get to where I’m going.

    Until then

    Live Free


    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Safe travels JAC, and enjoy the family time!

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      Enjoy your time with your son JAC, and like Peter said, be safe. See you when you get back.

      Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.


    • A shame JAC… But these types of discussions will be ongoing. We cannot change the world in one week!

      Please enjoy your time with family and travel safe, my friend.

      I am also Just a Citizen….

    • JAC….leave a mark where you go, my friend.

  14. Bee in my Bonnet says:

    You are right on track and of the same mindset of someone in the news. Glenn Beck. In fact, your post today sounds exactly like his post from Saturday. It’s eerie, actually. I’ll post the link.

    “Today, I have stopped looking for a leader to show us the way out because I have come to realize that the only one who can truly save our country…is us. To change America’s course we need to change ourselves, our expectations and our willingness to accept the unacceptable. When we refuse to allow our children to receive a trophy for participation, we are on the road to restoring the meaning of merit in our Republic. When we insist that no one is too big to fail, we will be able to learn from our mistakes, and when we demand that we are self-reliant, we will ensure that others can rely on us, not the government.”


    I mean no disrespect, US, as I know you are no fan of Glenn Beck, however, he is representative of the same awakening that you exhibit on this site.


    • Hi Bee,

      I think Glenn is onto something. I’ve felt the same way for a long time now. I hope more people figure it out and soon! May the Force be with us all. Sorry, my boyfriend and I are in the process of watching all the Star Wars episodes in order. Couldn’t help myself! 😉

    • Hi Bee, Thanks for the link.

      We are looking for an opportunity to get SUFA together? August 28, 2010 at the base of the Lincoln Monument sounds like a plan.

    • To be honest Bee, I AM a fan of Glenn Beck. I know that seems strange as I am sometimes critical of him. I have read his books and find them to be fantastic.

      My only problem with Beck is that he sometimes draws conclusions that are not sound, and that detracts from his message. I can’t wait to have time to read his article tonight. I perhaps should submit mine to him!


  15. Hello peoples,

    I was just reading on Foxnews website of how David Obey is proposing a war surtax to fund our future war efforts. It reminded me of Thursday nights episode of the Glenn Beck show(yes i am a racist nutjob teabagging flag and gun waving Christian who is a proud law abiding American citizen and full time loser who wants to starve children and pollute their water.)let me not regress, Beck listed about a dozen new taxes just from the parts of the bill he was able to read so far. I have a question, probably a dumb question as ni havent done enough home work as evident of not knowing the answer myself.

    If the prez gets obamacare,Do we just get the tax increases for the first four years then after that we get the health care in the bill? or in other words does our health care stay the same and many stay uninsured for the next 4 yrs, then we get the plan?

    Is this our path forward, to keep taxing and spending in order to redistribute the wealth?

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:


      Unless they can pass a law (and enforce it) that makes “rich” people stay in America, most of them are just going to leave…

      Where are we going to get innovation, production, and jobs from when that happens?

      (Hint: if you add up all local, State, and Federal government jobs and private sector jobs due to government contracts, it makes up almost 55% of our jobs already!)

      The problem with this is, the government cannot produce anything, so a system in which the government is the sole provider cannot possibly work, because there is no way for the government to make a profit. They simply pay the people that DO actually do some work, tax them, pay them again, all the while ALSO paying the people that DON’T DO ANY WORK. To anyone who isn’t dumb as a post, this is obviously a loosing proposition.

      The “rich” have been fleeing this country in droves already, but the migration has only started. We had better find a way to get them back and get them producing here, or the only ones left here will be poor (except for the super-rich who will be running the government).

      • You’re right, Peter B. And it won’t just be the ‘rich’ that leave. Anyone with an ounce of self preservation will head for the border. If things take a turn to violence there will be middle class ‘refugees’. I read the book “A Time to Stand” by Jerry Oliver. I can so see story moving from fiction to fact. I won’t spoil the ending for anyone who wants to read it, so I’ll leave it for now. I’ll just say that if I lose what little in the way of assets I have, and the masses are still asleep, I’m gone. If it comes to violence with the masses backing the government, I’m gone. If Obama succeeds with his ‘change’, I’m gone.

      • And people who saw this coming years ago (like me) drew down the business until there was just a few workers, then just closed it. No point in trying to invest in having a business when you are working for the government.

        • Willo:

          It’s sad when you have to close a business. I had to close a plant earlier this year. If I had my own business, I would not expand or invest since the rules are in flux and there’s no telling what the government will do. Shades of Atlas Shrugged.

    • Ty,

      “yes i am a racist nutjob teabagging flag and gun waving Christian who is a proud law abiding American citizen and full time loser who wants to starve children and pollute their water.”

      Hell yeh!, Woops, hold it, no, I don’t wave a gun around. Tote it, willing and able to use it, but no waving.

      “Do we just get the tax increases for the first four years then after that we get the health care in the bill? or in other words does our health care stay the same and many stay uninsured for the next 4 yrs, then we get the plan?”

      Uninsured #’s will drop, health costs across the board will increase. Taxes will continue to rise as, like SS, Medicare/caid, spending will outpace revenue until some sort of collapse.

  16. It’s a sad state of affairs when the best and the brightest are forced to leave their own country that so many of their and others ancestors fought to the death for just a couple hundred years prior.

  17. Down here, Pete,

    I won’t argue with the instability or the lack of morality points. I agree in full.

    However, it is a game. They made it a game when they put holes in the laws for the rich to sneak through. Or special exemptions for key constituents. When more money is spent on locking people up than treating the underlying problems.

    There is a core law out there. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. People are going to cheat and sidestep and avoid and hoard every step of the way.

    The best we can do, what I would want to do, is plug the holes, ditch the fluff and get to a more reasonable, sensible set of laws and codes that serve us well.
    – Protect us. (common defense)
    – Help the downtrodden. (welfare, unemployment, but with substantially better checks against abuse/fraud. Also mandatory job training/education/community service)
    – Regulate risky business practices that can impact non-participants. (I don’t care what you want to do with your corner flower shop, but if your investment bank fails and can send the economy over a cliff, that’s a public issue now)
    – Regulate food standards, safety standards, environmental standards. (stands on its own, I think)
    – Build roads and other public works. (Things that we need but won’t/can’t provide for ourselves, or which, if provided by private individuals, would leave us at their mercy)
    – Provide public schools (and there’s a lot of changes I would make here).
    – Provide police and fire services.
    – A few other things that I probably missed.
    – And then leave us the hell alone for everything else.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      – Protect us. (common defense)

      Ok I will agree with that one.

      – Help the downtrodden. (welfare, unemployment, but with substantially better checks against abuse/fraud. Also mandatory job training/education/community service)

      Sounds good, but I think that the people could handle this better and more efficiently than the government. You think the government could do it better with better “rules”, I think the government doesn’t follow its own “rules”, so some disagreement here.

      – Regulate risky business practices that can impact non-participants. (I don’t care what you want to do with your corner flower shop, but if your investment bank fails and can send the economy over a cliff, that’s a public issue now)

      The government fails at regulating itself, so why is it the desired mechanism for regulating anything else?

      – Regulate food standards, safety standards, environmental standards. (stands on its own, I think)

      See above- the government fails at regulating itself…

      – Build roads and other public works. (Things that we need but won’t/can’t provide for ourselves, or which, if provided by private individuals, would leave us at their mercy)

      Meh, if you think that the government does this well or efficiently, I do not necessarily agree, but perhaps in at least SOME cases they aren’t COMPLETELY horrible at this. Could be done by the private sector pretty easily, but would require a big revamp of how most people think. I could live with a societal organizations handling these things as long as they didn’t resort to coercion and force to accomplish them.

      – Provide public schools (and there’s a lot of changes I would make here).

      Private schools are shown in pretty darn close to 100% of the cases studied that they are far superior to “public” schools. Put the money back in the pockets of the people and let them educate their children.

      – Provide police and fire services.

      Yeah, ok, but tell us exactly what public police and fire service is going to cost us, and let us opt for private services if we so choose (without forcing us to also subsidize the public services).

      – A few other things that I probably missed.

      Not really, you covered more than the basics already 🙂

      – And then leave us the hell alone for everything else.


      • I thought you’d like that last one.

        In no particular order:

        Public schools: the poor cannot afford private school. Thus the poor are not educated. Homeschooling was great up to the later half of the 19th century, but it’s a non-starter in today’s world as a practical solution to national education. So the poor aren’t educated. In a globalized community, they can’t compete. Jobs go elsewhere. They become poorer and poorer. They rob your house and steal your TV.

        Fire Dept: You don’t get to opt out. If your house burns the fire department has to put it out, or it will catch your neighbors house on fire. Given this fact, you know that they’ll save your house so why should you pay for it? So you don’t. But then neither does your neighbor. Soon, nobody funds the fire department and the whole place goes up like London circa 1666.

        Police: Similar logic.

        Failure of regulations: Yes, they have failed in places. I think, on balance, we are better with than without. If the banks behaved this badly when the government was (sort of) watching them, imagine what they would have done with carte blanche.

        From my quote of the day toilet paper: (paraphrase, and I forgot the author) Too little liberty is slavery. Too much liberty is chaos.

        No. I do not actually have quote of the day toilet paper. It’s word of the day.

        • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

          “Public schools: the poor cannot afford private school. Thus the poor are not educated. Homeschooling was great up to the later half of the 19th century, but it’s a non-starter in today’s world as a practical solution to national education. So the poor aren’t educated. In a globalized community, they can’t compete. Jobs go elsewhere. They become poorer and poorer. They rob your house and steal your TV.”

          The poor already rob your house and steal your TV… WHY? because they go to “public school”. Before public schooling existed, 94% of all 13-year-olds could actually read. Care to guess what that figure is now? ‘Nuff said.

          “Fire Dept: You don’t get to opt out. If your house burns the fire department has to put it out, or it will catch your neighbors house on fire. Given this fact, you know that they’ll save your house so why should you pay for it? So you don’t. But then neither does your neighbor. Soon, nobody funds the fire department and the whole place goes up like London circa 1666.”

          I never said you got to opt out of fire protection, I only said you got to opt out of the “public option” if you could get private service for a better price. If you get private service, they fail to put out a fire at your house, and that fire spreads, anyone affected would be allowed just compensation (that is the way a free society works, my friend!).

          “Police: Similar logic.” See above.

          “Failure of regulations: Yes, they have failed in places. I think, on balance, we are better with than without. If the banks behaved this badly when the government was (sort of) watching them, imagine what they would have done with carte blanche.”

          The banks have carte blanche, the banks run the government and the government runs the banks. The banks got killed because the government forced them to make bad loans, the banks then demanded that the government cover their losses. The government did exactly that. The fact that most consumers got killed in the process was of no concern to the government or the banks. Shows you how well those regulations are working, yes?

          “From my quote of the day toilet paper: (paraphrase, and I forgot the author) Too little liberty is slavery. Too much liberty is chaos.”

          This is from one of those fools that defines liberty as, “the freedom to do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it”, and is therefore faulty and a fallacy. Liberty is “the freedome to do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it, provided that your actions do not impose upon another.” Using that definition, too little liberty is slavery, and too much liberty is something which cannot logically exist. 100% Liberty under the definition which I provided is pretty much the best possible number.

          “No. I do not actually have quote of the day toilet paper. It’s word of the day.”

          Anything to provide entertainment while performing necessary but generally unpleasant bodily functions is always a big plus 🙂

        • Be careful what you say about homeschooling.

          Matt said:
          “Homeschooling was great up to the later half of the 19th century, but it’s a non-starter in today’s world as a practical solution to national education.”



          The 1998 study was quiet large and independent, you might be surprised.

        • @Mathius:

          On private schools –

          The reason they are so expensive, is because public schooling is free. Thus private schools cannot compete on price, so they must compete elsewhere. Therefore the only private schools are the high-end, very expensive ones. Get rid of “free” public schools and you would very quickly have a large crop of private schools providing cheap, “good-enough” education.

          There’s a similar market effect taking place with college tuition and government-provided loans and grants.

  18. v. Holland says:

    “There is a core law out there. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. People are going to cheat and sidestep and avoid and hoard every step of the way.”

    I’m just gonna make one point, then leave you and Peter to discuss this in detail. I would say this is the whole point of USW’s article -our mindsets have been corrupted by the corruption in our world-we need to start fighting against it, fighting to remind people of what our country was founded on -freedom for all-instead of joining in.

    • V!

      Its funny to me when at a fast food place the cashier miss-counts in my favor and I correct them and return the extra money, some of the expressions should be on TV. I started acting in that way with the do unto others morals, but have evolved over the years into doing what I judge to be right, how others might see it has no bearing.

      Who knows, if/when I finely grow up, I might be a halfway decent person.

    • Exactly V, our mindsets have been corrupted. Our files have bad data. We need to reprogram the people to understand what makes liberty happen.

      • So, conservative re-education/re-programing is Ok, but Obama’s liberal re-eduction is bad?

        • Your catching on Todd, way to go!

        • No Todd…. Incorrect. Individual liberty reprogramming is good, but conservative and liberal programming is bad.

          You have been reading long enough to know that there are many liberal positions that I support, because they are in line with individual liberty and personal freedom. I refuse to allow you to attempt to pigeonhold me into a box that is convenient for you to attack. So pinning the “conservative” label on me simply will not work.

  19. PeterB in Indianapolis says:

    What are the economic consequences of current and proposed “economic, social, and energy policies” on your life right now?

    Speaking for myself, I have cut out about 90% of unnecessary consumption. I still spend a little money every month for unnecessary things and for entertainment, but for the most part, I have cut my spending down to fairly close to a bare-minimum.

    In an economy based 70% upon consumer spending, that doesn’t bode well for the economy, but I bet my story is similar to many others.

    Of course, an economy based 70% upon consumer spending is unsustainable to begin with, we are just finally feeling the effects of this unsustainability.

    The government has force us into “protection and self-preservation” mode. People do not spend freely when they are in this mode.

    • PeterB:

      I have my mortgage, utilities, internet and satellite. I have not cut out TV yet but I’m thinking about it. I need the internet. Other than that, I buy food. Even when I was working I never purchased unnecessary items.

      • Birdman,

        We’re in the same boat, same state also. I, too, basically closed my family business. Went from 3/4 mil a year with up to 17 employees to all by myself and $3000/yr. Luckily, I was frugal in the good years and am currently debt free. But at the moment I refuse to try to rebuild to give the govt more of my revenue. My employees continue to beg me to get it going again. I feel terrible for them but I’m just not going to do it so the govt can waste some more of my tax money.

        • Anita:

          I did not own the business but was involved with the closing of the plant. Due to business conditions in the automotive industry, we had to expedite the closing. We met WARN requirements and closed.

          I understand your views on working for the government, even though you were a private business owner. There comes a point when it is no longer worth the long hours only to relize that the Federal or State is conviscating your money. You do the work and they conviscate the money, like the bunch of thieves they are. Jobs are not being created today by business for this and other reasons.

  20. PeterB in Indianapolis says:


    Read this article very carefully. It clearly states that COMEX admitted earlier this year that it only has enough physical gold to back 15-30% of all outstanding contracts.

    If you are going to buy gold, make sure to actually buy gold, and not just a promise of delivery.

  21. Another interesting article in American Thinker. After reading the article, I read this comment below by George S.


    Posted by: George S Nov 23, 12:36 AM


    It is not just incentives that formulates the individual, it is also his free will. In fact capitalism is, by definition, the economy of a free people. It can only be “managed” by coercion. It is futile to attempt to control the individual’s choices in life and still allow the individual his freedom. If you walk past a news stand, for example, and see an array of magazines, snacks, lottery tickets, etc., and walk on by without purchasing anything, you have made, in those few seconds, maybe a couple dozen economic choices — for every item you observed and refused to buy the seller lost a sale and impacted his income which, down the line, may cause him to forgo spending at the race track or a restaurant. Pass it forward by a billion, and you get the macro economy. On the micro level, you decided that you wanted the money in your pocket more than any item you saw. And that is just a few moments of your day. Imagine if someone had to plan out your whole day, tell you where to go and which way to walk. You have to plan for that person to walk past the news stand, observe what is for sale and program the individual not to buy anything. Then you would have to spell out what he does need to buy that day, or what tasks to undertake at work or for his customers. How can that possibly be done? Doing it for two people is exponentially more difficult; doing it for the entire town is near impossible. So how can you plan for the economy of the whole country? Who has this extraordinary gift to foresee 300 million needs? Impossible.

    Yet our Congress has decided, among other things, that you must buy health care, has designs on how much carbon you can use, what your salary should be and how much money you should lend out. Since it is impossible to satisfy the day to day changing needs of people, the end result will be tyranny. The free will of the individual has to be placed in check not only with what he needs to buy but also his freedom to offer his labor to the free will of others. This is at odds with the Obama-Keynesian way of looking at economics.

    The Keynesian approach is that the economy grows when money changes hands, so government has the ability to affect macro economics simply by tinkering with the money supply or taxing Peter to pay Paul for digging a ditch and to Stewie for filling it back up. But the classical free market economy of Adam Smith says otherwise. The difference is shown by the story of the Doctor and the Butcher:

    A doctor, after a long day at work, goes to the butcher to buy a steak. The doctor has a need to be met, satisfying his hunger. The doctor pays for the steak, money changes hands. The next day, the butcher is ill and goes to the doctor. Money changes hands again. The Keynesian states that the economy grew by each exchange of cash, but the classical economists says no — the economy grew because both men met a basic need to continue to live so they can continue being productive. There is no economic growth without productivity. To see how this works, throw in the counterfeiter into the mix. The counterfeiter goes to the butcher and “buys” the steak, thus denying it to the doctor. The doctor goes to sleep hungry and decides he is too weak to work that day. The butcher, who is now ill, doesn’t see the doctor and has to stay home. Both the doctor and the butcher did not generate any income that day (or the doctor dies of hunger and the butcher of his illness so there are two less producers in the economy). The counterfeiter temporarily benefits for today (tomorrow there will be no steak) by using money he did not earn nor produced something that other people wanted — even though he satisfied the premise of Keynes by exchanging money.

    That’s why the trio of ditch diggers does not grow the economy — because the doctor and the butcher had to be taxed to pay them for labor that nobody wants. Both men therefore could not spend their otherwise disposable income on steak or medical care, leaving them in the same disadvantage as did the counterfeiter’s actions. Instead the ditch diggers get to spend the money; merely shifting beneficiaries. Or, no wealth was created and where the doctor and butcher lost business, some other storekeepers gained. That’s why Stimulus doesn’t work — all you have to do is let the taxpayers keep their tax money and order them to spend it where they see fit. Same spending, same stimulus, but the earners get to decide, not the welfare recipients. Think about it next time someone explains the “obvious economics” of stimulus spending.

    Obama is the counterfeiter in chief– by printing money to pay for government “steak’, he is getting the short term Keynesian benefit of money changing hands but is destroying the long term productive health of the people. The parable applies as both the Federal Reserve and the counterfeiter are doing essentially the same thing — short circuiting the producers. In the long run, as more and more debt is piled on as government prints money, the fruits of the producing class labor has to be confiscated to back up the debt. They no longer will have the ability to go to the butcher or the doctor as the counterfeiter has cleaned out the shelves. So how does government keep order when there is no more steak or doctors? Simple, it forces the both of them to work against their will.

    Where do you think the concept of forced labor camps come from? That is the only extrapolation of Obamanomics down the road. Much easier than the extremely tedious job of planning out your day in the sunshine of freedom.

  22. Judy Sabatini says:
  23. Sick with a bad cold and cough – the latter rattling my gray matter like Rocky Balboa…

    Watching only.

    • Black Flag:

      I hope you get over your cold and cough quickly. Have you tried Zicam (spelling) which may help reduce the length of your cold. Chicken soup always helped me with a cold. I hate colds. I can barely breath through my nose when I don’t have a cold and a cold really makes me miserable.

      • The secret to health is Matzoball Soup. It has healing powers that we have hid from the rest of the world for millennia.

    • From the moment the [pirates] arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man’s weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet’s infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.

      Or is it a computer virus that finally got you, SkyNet?

      Either way, feel better. This place isn’t as much fun without you. (a whole lot safer for the likes of me though).

    • Vitamin D man, Vitamin D!!!



      Good nutrition including healthy protein!

      Tea, preferably hot green tea!

      No Beer:(

      • And stay away from small children! They don’t wash their hands. Even if they said they did, they are lying. Ask them what color the soap is and you’ll stump them every time (or until they start looking at the soap just to pass the test).

        But beer is good for you. Alcohol sterilizes. So if you drink enough, you should be able to kill all the bugs in your blood stream. I say it’s worth a shot.

        • A shot is good….just not the hops from beer. Judy recommends Brandy below; a good Whiskey will do the trick too.

          • I have an idea. Drink some methanol. I know, I know, it sounds like a bad idea, but hear me out. Report immediately to the nearest hospital.

            The reason methanol is so dangerous is because it binds to the same receptors as alcohol, but doesn’t let go so readily. Thus, you can prevent methanol poisoning if those receptors are already busy (see where I’m going with this?). So they’ll give you an alcohol-saline solution and get you drunker than you’ve ever been.* This should be both an interesting experience (what you remember), and it should sterilize everything in your bloodstream including the nasty germs. HUZZAH!

            *I’m talking about the kind of drunk where you shouldn’t be surprised if you wake up next to Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank the next morning. Don’t worry though, you’ll be far away from them in your hospital room. Post a guard though – you can’t be too safe..

            • Judy Sabatini says:

              Sounds more like a nightmare.

            • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

              Ethanol metabolizes into Acetaldehyde, which eventually metabolizes into vinegar (acetic acid).

              This is why if one gets drunk enough over a long enough period of time, they are said to be “full of piss and vinegar” 🙂

              Methanol metabolises into Formaldehyde, which will blind you and perhaps kill you. Most likely this will happen before it further metabolizes into formic acid. It will also save the coroner from having to preserve your internal organs, because you will have already done it for him! 🙂

              Get well soon BF!

    • v. Holland says:

      Hope you feel better soon! Give your wife my sympathies. 🙂

      • HaHa -V, your husband must be like mine when he’s sick. Rather have a 2-year old with an ear infection than a husband with sniffles……

        • v. Holland says:

          He acts like he’s gonna die-so I baby him-so it’s probably my fault. 🙂

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Oh God, mine does too.

            • v. Holland says:

              I think we have started a man bashing link-Should we feel guilty(not) or worried(maybe) 🙂

              • Seems to me we are sticking to the facts…..

                Men act like babies when they are sick.

              • I just curl up in a corner and wait to feel better. I require nothing of anybody but to leave me alone with a good book, some matzoh ball soup, and an extra blanket. No over-generalizing, missy 😛

              • v. Holland says:

                There are exceptions to every rule-I’m sure you are a saint in between the moaning. 🙂

              • I never moan. If I am sick and you hear moaning, it is the sound of millions of tiny bacteria moaning in pain as my immune system (equipped with tiny katanas) slays them en masse.

              • Hey, Emilius had the sniffles last night and I spend hours dealing with it before I gave up and knocked her our with some nyquil. Don’t give me that.

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                No, Mathius, not all men are dying when sick, just most of them.

              • Possible. Much as I hate to say it, statistically, women are built tougher than men. In virtually every measurable way, women a physically superior (higher pain threshold, more resistance to heat/cold, longevity, immune response, etc.) We men have superior physical strength (after puberty, but not before), and that’s about it. (also, we don’t feel the need to own hundreds of pairs of shoes, so at least there’s that..).

                It’s no wonder men are generally cry babies when it comes to illness. I have a theory that explains this disparity. Remind me sometime.

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                I think that’s why God made women, to be able to stand the pain of giving birth. I’d like to see a man go through that.

              • Why couldn’t God have just made giving birth less painful? Wouldn’t that have been easier? And then we wouldn’t need to leave the toilet seat down.

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                By the way, I answered you at the bottom of page.

          • Topic at hand today – changing our behavior. No more enabling……!

        • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

          My wife agrees with your sentiments 🙂

          Not really sure why, since when I am sick I have a habit of going to the bedroom and sleeping for about 16 hours straight… Not sure why that makes her think I am acting like a baby and demanding all kinds of attention… how much attention do you have to pay to someone who is completely dead-asleep for 16 hours straight???

          • v. Holland says:

            I’m sure your wife would be glad to explain if you really want an answer. 🙂

          • You are in denial about your behavior. I’ve heard that same story when my husband has asked why I am avoiding him when he’s “so close to death” (my words based on his actions).

            I’m with your wife.

            • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

              Ok, I suppose I will admit that when I am sick and actually awake I don’t want to have to do ANYTHING (including help with the kids or anything else around the house), but who DOES when they are sick??? 🙂

              When my wife is sick, I get to miss work, which would be great if that didn’t mean I had to deal with the kids and HER (she is far more demanding when sick than I am… last time she was sick I got the infamous, “Honey, I can’t move.. could you run to the bathroom and throw up for me?”)


          • I just go to work. Gonna feel like hell, what does it matter where? Tell everyone to stay ten feet away and put in my hours. Would bet I have not missed over six days in ten years.

            • Judy Sabatini says:

              To all here who may be sick now. I hope you feel better real soon. Just don’t pass around whatever it is you have.

            • I have had one sick day off work in the last 25 years! Immune system is staffed with miniature A-Teams seeking out bad stuff and eliminating it quickly.

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                HI USW

                I haven’t been sick I think in like 10 years, you know mom’s aren’t allowed to be sick, the house can’t run with out mom, at least this one couldn’t.

                Hope you and Mrs, Weapon are doing well. Sorry, no pun intended there.

              • Thanks Judy. We are doing just fine thank you! Hope you and yours are as well. How goes the world of employment?

    • BF….Don Julios Tequila…..straight. No Lime necessary. Guaranteed to kill or cure.

    • Mucinex D is the strongest medicine I have taken. Be careful mixing with alcohol.

      I frequently take Claritin (not the D formula), which does dry you out.

      SUDAFED, non-drowsy can be taken with Claritin.

      Hope you feel better soon little buddy.

    • Sorry to hear your not feeling well BF. An old remedy from the country, is a pot of tea (any kind), about six cups, add 1/2 cup whiskey or bourbon (whiskey is better), and two tablespoons of pure honey. Wram to a slow boil, stiring occasionally, let cool. Sip, not gulp, the warm tea mixture. After one cup, your cough should subside, after two cups, you will be able to sleep through the night. The third cup or more is for the damn fun of it because you feel like crap and deserve it!G!

    • Emergen-C! and lots of it.. oh, and propel, keep the liquids going.

  24. Judy Sabatini says:

    A good shot of Brandy might help too.

    Get to feeling better Flag.

  25. Since I have always been the one to Bellow “Get up off yer lazy carcasses and DO something!” I shall post a few, if not many, thoughts here.

    Yes, the Constitution was flawed from the gitgo, and that is exactly why the framers of it made it a living document in order that it may be “upgraded” from time to time vis-a-vis the Amendment process.

    Yes, in our Constitution we were given a Bill of Rights that was supposed to guarantee our freedoms and such. What was left out was what the framers knew and assumed (you all KNOW what that word implies!)that we would never forget, and that is with great Liberty and Freedom comes the great responsibility of the individual to keep an ever watchful eye open to what our elected officials are doing vs what they said they would do. We haven’t done that at all!

    Do we need a new Constitution? Not only no, but HELL NO!

    What do we need? We need to wake up the average American citizen and make them aware of what their responsibilities are and that they can never ever shirk that responsibility again. That is what we need to do.

    Ronald Reagan had his “trickle-down economy” (and it did work, at least from what I saw)so what we need is a “trickle-up change of attitude” in our political makeup.

    Violent revolution tries to change a country from the top down – and history has shown us that that simply does not work, it always just makes things much worse.

    By starting things at the bottom and making the change trickle-up, so to speak, is a much slower process but with much better results.

    I think that all of these intelligent folks – Ray included – who hang out here can start this within their own communities. Not by getting elected to local public office but just by being a little vocal at town hall meetings and public political gatherings.

    I have already started in my little community – and yes, they all groan audibly when they see me in the audience because they know that the real hard questions will be coming from me!

    Well, anyway, that is just my not-so-humble opinion. 🙂

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      You admit that what we have is flawed, and you probably know that many of the amendments after the first 10 have very little to do with liberty and freedom, and yet you don’t advocate for replacement with something better…


      I personally would prefer taking the good ideas which they had (and they did have some good ideas) and adding some more good ideas in the hopes of making an actual improvement, but that is just me…. Something along the lines of a society with a real moral basis of organization maybe….

      • No matter what we do, no matter what we invent, no matter how it may be worded . . . There will ALWAYS be flaws in it.

        We mere Humans are not, never have been, and never will be perfect – we are flawed.

        Therefore no matter what we make, write, build or invent will never be perfect – therefore it will be flawed.

        Why write an entirely new flawed document when we already have one – just add an amendment to get the people’s attention and keep them focused on their own gvernment.

        Does that satisfy your curiosity?

        • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

          I personally doubt that adding such an amenedment is possible.

          You see, the problem is, we have allowed the government to CONSISTENTLY and WILFULLY violate the Constitution, with no penalties enforced AGAINST the government.

          What makes you think they are gonna let you START enforcing it now???

          (Hint: they aren’t)

  26. Not sure if this is going to work:

    So if not, here’s the link: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/11/23/snl-mocks-obama-china-trip-features-palin-and-gore/

    I was dying. Hi-larious.

    • Yep, gave the link to China Press Conference late in the day yesterday.

      Love the concept of at least getting kissed if we are getting screwed….or “having the sex” or at least getting a dinner and a movie out of it.

  27. Common Man says:


    “You must be the change you wish to see in the world”. Mahatma Gandi


  28. Judy Sabatini says:

    Okay, thought it was time for a funny. A friend sent me this yesterday.

    Subject: square testicles

    this is a joke that is supposed to bring you luck.
    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    An elderly woman walked into the Bank of Canada one morning with a purse full of money. She wanted to open a savings account and insisted on talking to the president of the Bank because, she said, she had a lot of money.

    After many lengthy discussions (after all, the client is always right) an employee took the elderly woman to the president’s office.

    The president of the Bank asked her how much she wanted to deposit. She placed her purse on his desk and replied, ‘$165,000’. The president was curious and asked her how she had been able to save so much money. The elderly woman replied that she made bets.

    The president was surprised and asked, ‘What kind of bets?’

    The elderly woman replied, ‘Well, I bet you

    $25,000 that your testicles are square.’

    The president started to laugh and told the woman that it was impossible to win a bet like that.

    The woman never batted an eye. She just looked at the president and said, ‘Would you like to take my bet?’

    ‘Certainly’, replied the president. ‘I bet you $25,000 that my testicles are not square.’

    ‘Done’, the elderly woman answered. ‘But given the amount of money involved, if you don’t mind I would like to come back at 10 o’clock tomorrow morning with my lawyer as a witness.’ ‘No problem’, said the president of the Bank confidently.

    That night, the president became very nervous about the bet and spent a long time in front of the mirror examining his testicles, turning them this way and that, checking them over again and again until he was positive that no one could consider his testicles as square and reassuring himself that
    there was no way he could lose the bet.

    The next morning at exactly 10 o’clock the elderly woman arrived at the president’s office with her lawyer and acknowledged the $25,000 bet made the day before that the president’s testicles were square.

    The president confirmed that the bet was the same as the one made the day before. Then the elderly woman asked him to drop his pants etc. so that she and her lawyer could see clearly.

    The president was happy to oblige.

    The elderly woman came closer so she could see better and asked the president if she could touch them. ‘Of course’, said the president. ‘Given the amount of money involved, you should be 100% sure.’

    The elderly woman did so with a little smile. Suddenly the president noticed that the lawyer was banging his head against the wall. He asked the elderly woman why he was doing that and she replied, ‘Oh, it’s probably because I bet him $100,000 that around 10 o’clock in the morning I would be holding the balls of the President of the Bank of Canada !’

  29. Judy Sabatini says:

    What Mathius said

    Why couldn’t God have just made giving birth less painful? Wouldn’t that have been easier? And then we wouldn’t need to leave the toilet seat down.

    What does leaving the toilet seat up have to do with giving birth?

    And yes, it would have been a lot easier if it was less painful. But I look at it this way. If a woman can stand the pain of giving birth, then she can stand any kind of pain that may be thrown at her at any given time. And believe me, I have been thrown quite a bit of pain over the years.

    But, then, that’s my opinion.

    • What does it have to do with it? Well if, instead of creating women, He has just made birthing easier, there would be no women. Thus there would be no reason for me to leave the seat down. But then again, we’d probably all just have urinals in our homes and the seat would always be down on the toilet. I’m ok with that option, too.

      And I would have room in my closet that wasn’t taken up with purses and shoes!

      • Matt, If you think going into the Pirates cave can be brutal, remember, he only has a sword and musket. Now your entering the womens cave, They turn red, grow forked tongues, too not so cute horns pop out of their head and if that ain’t bad enoungh, they can breath fire that would make Godzilla run for cover. Have you not learned that yet?


        • Judy Sabatini says:

          Come on now G, We’re not all like that. But, you don’t want to cross me either to find out now, do ya.

          • See waht I mean Matt! It’s true, I’m telling you, it’s true 🙂

            • Mess with the bull, you get the horns. But then, I was always a big fan of leaping first, then looking. Life’s more fun that way. I once wiped out an entire hornets nest with a dust buster – what makes you think I’m afraid of little ole Judy?

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        And if there were no women, then men would have no pleasure, right.

        • Judy, Judy, Judy…

          We would sit around all day watching sports and eating pizza. We would fart and burp with impunity. We would wear comfortable clothes and not worry about matching. We would eat pizza and not worry about our weight. We would leave the seat up. We would never make the bed. The dust ruffle would never have been invented. We wouldn’t have to send cards for birthdays or holidays or occasions. We wouldn’t shave unless we felt like it. Life would be good.

          We might miss the cooking though 😉

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Now, now, now Mathius, You mean to tell me you’d give up the love of a woman for sports, beer and looking sloppy. I wonder how many guys here would that. But, then who would take care of you when you got sick, hmmmmmmmmm?

            Maybe we should take a poll to find out.

          • v. Holland says:

            Your wife’s name is Emilius, right.

            • Yes, that is correct. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t give up Em for anything, but if you ladies never existed in the first place then we’d still be pretty content. And slovenly.

              I wonder if mitosis is a painful way to reproduce..

            • v. Holland says:

              Just looked at that again and it could definitely be taken the wrong way-pretend it isn’t there. Sorry

          • And that’s different HOW exactly??????

            You might consider getting a food taster like Obama has…

  30. Bottom Line says:

    USW – “Someone referred to this as a think tank the other day. I agree completely, but unlike the think tanks in Washington, this is a think tank of smart folks who are regular people. Regular people from all walks of life and from many different perspectives. And that makes us far more valuable than any think tank in Washington.”

    Someone – Actually it was “BRILLIANT think tank”(lol). I am also in complete awe of the amount of intellect and passion on this site. And you’re right about it being a diverse crowd of regualr folks. Diversity is a strength. DC ain’t got nuthin’ on SUFA.

    I was excited to see this article this morning as myself, G-man, and others have been, as you so elequently put it, “increasing the call to action” lately.

    I really wish I had more time to engage in SUFA today.


    • BL, I went a step further this weekend and opened up a Facebook page, something I had been avoiding. I was not much into social sites, but thought I might be able to bring more people onboard. It will a calculated process, but should prove to be a good idea as time goes on.

      I will begin by asking folks to read here, and post if they choose, but at least try it out and judge for themselves.


      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Hi G

        I did the same thing, try to get people to come here, check it out. Had a couple come look, but they didn’t leave anything, got back to me on my face book saying it looked interesting, and that’s it.

        I told them how everybody is here, all courteous to each other, no derogatory remarks to each other, no name calling. If they wanted debates, arguing, agreeing with or not, then come, read, leave a post, join the group. I even told them that there are times we get off the topic and kid around with each other, as well as joke around. But, so far, don’t see any new names.

        Maybe you’ll have better luck.

  31. Judy Sabatini says:

    Hey Flag, see how well loved you are here and how much you’re missed when you’re not. Isn’t it nice to get all these remedies for what’s ailing you? LOL!

  32. Judy Sabatini says:


    I must apologize to you for not getting back to you on the link I posted earlier today, but, to be honest, I just simply forgot, so please accept this humble apology from a person with CRS.

    Thank you


  33. Government limitations

    1) Amendments to state and federal Constitution imposing less

    lengthy term limits.No career politicians.

    2) Greater ethics oversight coupled with stricter lobbying laws.

    3) Representative accountability through district voter


    Voting fraud and Required Census fix:

    1) Implement voter registration into one nationwide database with

    a non politicaly minded nor funded organization as

    overseer. Individually State funded comes to mind.

    2) To be allowed to vote and be represented you must register

    yearly and be issued a magnetic ID card.Much like a….drivers


    3) No Absentee voting.A nationwide database and intranet would

    allow for a vote to be tallied anywhere.


    How to fix the economy without billions of dollars of stimulus


    1) Suspend the payroll tax for a year.

    2) Suspend the tax on repatriated corporate profits indefinitely.

    3) Replace the income tax with a consumption tax, popularly known as the FairTax.

    4) Implement tax breaks for production based companies in the

    U.S. to build a more competitive U.S. world market instead of

    driving them away with harmful Cap -n- trade tax legislation.

    Just posting my ideas and fixes for current events issues.No idea how any of it could really be implemented with the powermongers we have in government today.The fix seems so reasonable to me I wonder at why they are not implemented already.

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