Rejecting Iran’s Possible Dangers

There is no guest commentary submitted for this evening so I told Black Flag that I would respond to his comments about Iran as the topic for tonight. This is not going to be a long post, as we have hashed out Iran as best we could in past debates. We have, frustratingly, not agreed on much, as it seemed to me one side of the argument pointed out Iran as a danger, and the other was intent to instead point out the US as a danger. I will address that fact quickly below, and then move on, as re-hashing it will serve no purpose for us here. As for the topic, I know there are many here who are not interested in this topic. Feel free to use this thread throughout the weekend to discuss any topic you like. I will monitor when I can to respond to whatever subjects you bring up. If you would like to peruse the last discussion that we had on this subject in October, you can do so by clicking HERE (will open a new window). So on to the quick discussion topic…

Let me first address that aspect of the discussion from back in October. I am a former soldier. I was just a grunt enlisted NCO, so my knowledge is limited. I was fortunate to be part of some planning and strategy in Washington, but my insight can be limited. D13, as a Colonel, has far more insight into the battle planning, intelligence, and big picture stuff than I do. I can readily admit that. His career was longer (I think I remember him saying 40 years? I only served just under ten years in the military), more distinguished, and he certainly regularly dealt with things at a far higher level than I. Ask me to take down a target house, no problem. As for why that target house was important in the big picture, D13 is your guy. Make sense?

NCO’s make the military run, and I am proud to have been one, but we are well aware of the high level thinking of those we took orders from (except when they were butter bars, as their best move then was to zip it and listen to their NCO’s 😉 ). I volunteered to take a tough job in the Army that many cannot or will not do. I am proud of my service. I served the country I love. I traveled the world and I learned a lot. There are a lot of good memories and bad ones.

After serving, it is sometimes hard for one to admit that some of the things that the US does are not so good. After all, soldiers dedicate their lives to serving the will of the US government. No one likes to think that the things they did could have been done for the wrong reasons. I live under no illusions. I recognize the folly of political games and political agendas. And I despise them, because for every political game, there is a brother of mine that is placing his life on the line to play it. I support the United States military. I will always do so. When you attack the military, you are attacking me and my brothers and sisters. I will not stand for it because it is a cheap shot to do so. Attack the political system all you want. Leave those taking orders alone.

I do not suffer from the inability to look at the United States realistically. I do so quite naturally. I am very aware of our faults when it comes to foreign policy. I am very aware of our CIA exploits abroad and the negative impacts. I am well aware of the interventionist stance we have taken over the last 100 years. I know and understand all the faults of the US. Allow me to make that clear. It is a waste of time to argue with me that the US has been a bad boy. I know. Continuing to point it out as a way to make an argument on another subject is futile, and a waste of time. That applies to this conversation as well. The question at hand is whether Iran has the potential to be a danger to the world or their region of the world. It is not a trial where we are weighing the actions of the US versus Iran and determining who has done the most bad. Remember that as we go forward.

I listed in the article in October the vast array of actions by Iran to extend violence to other countries around the world. One can choose to ignore them or attempt to rationalize them. But the fact remains that while Iran has not sent out her army to attack anyone, she has certainly sown the seeds of violence both in the Middle East and throughout the world. So let’s just admit those acts as evidence and fact. Unless someone can show a shred of proof that Iran has had their hands in the things I listed in that article, they are thus presented as fact.

So the claim that Iran has not initiated violence in 300 years is false. Iran has done so covertly for a long time. Yes, I am aware that the US has done so. I am aware that the US has been very bad. That is not the point. The point is that Iran has sown the seeds of violence. Period. To make a claim that this is simply a reaction to “being surrounded” is folly. They have soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan that are thus far unable to control the fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. Let’s be clear, it Iran felt truly threatened by our presence in those two countries, they would be far more quiet these days. They feel no threat, they simply see an opportunity to use the current situation as a false reason to do the things they do.

The leadership in Iran is unstable at best. Just as I have stated before, they have threatened Israel and others time and again. I don’t want to hear any more nonsense about how Ahmadinejad opens every interview stating that he wants peace. Irrelevant. I would wager that the United States Presidents espouse a hope for peace more than any other country’s leadership by far. It doesn’t mean much coming from them either. Ahmadinejad can say what he likes to the camera. I have seen enough speeches from him with inflammatory rhetoric to know that he is not a stable character. The clerics may, in fact, live the good life in Iran. The politicians in Washington live the good life too, but that hasn’t made them passive and willing to rest on their laurels. I have been accused of polylogism, but using these arguments as grounds to show a peaceful Iran is certainly applying two different standards to similar situations, so I throw that claim back. My using it would have been if I were claiming that the US is a peaceful country, a claim that I did not make.

I do not ignore history. I instead look at all of it. As it was pointed out yesterday, the history of man is very detailed and the results of such are stark reminders. To claim that all governments are evil, and all exist to do evil, means that you cannot later claim that for some reason this government in Iran is different. They are peace loving folk who just want to be friends with all. No sir, the Iranian government is just as evil and corrupt as any other. They are liars and cheats. And they take advantage of their people and look to expand their power base and do all the other things that the US is accused of daily on this site.

JAC made the analogy to a rattlesnake. That was an accurate one. Iran is dangerous. They have the capability to harm their neighbors. They have been doing so covertly for years. To ignore this potential threat is a foolish move. As was stated, you don’t simply assume that rattlesnake won’t bite. You assume it will. Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapon. We can argue back and forth all day otherwise, but the fact is that they are doing so. And as D13 pointed out, they will get it, no matter what we or anyone else does to attempt to stop it. What happens from that point forward is anyone’s guess. Some feel they will simply use it as a tool for influence and power. Some feel they will attack Israel. Some feel they will control Pakistan. I don’t know the answer. But they will get a nuke.

Iran is unstable. And they have a bone to pick with Israel. It doesn’t matter whether you think that their issue with Israel is legitimate or not. They have it. That is clear. Many in their country wish to return to the days of Iran being a power player in the world. So they seek to become one again. They have no Xerxes to make them rise to power in that way again. But I imagine a nuke sure makes them someone we have to pay attention to. And that is what they want most of all.

I don’t know if they want to dominate the Middle East. But I know that they have the potential to become a major sore for the entire world. I know that they have the potential to be a very dangerous country. I know that they have the potential to ignite a conflict that could pull everyone into it. That potential is evident. And it is foolish and irresponsible to ignore that potential threat based on rhetoric such as “they haven’t attacked anyone in 300 years.”

History shows us many countries becoming global thorns without having attacked anyone previously. No one thought the US was a threat in the late 1700’s, and they were wrong. The world didn’t believe that Hitler had the potential to wreak the havoc that he did until it was too late. There wasn’t a history of Somali pirates taking ships in International waters at one point. History is filled with threats that were ignored. A Major in Ft. Hood had no history of violently gunning down soldiers.

I have in no way, at any point, advocated the invasion of Iran or an attack on Iran. I am not attempting to make a case to do those things. But to sit back and pretend that they can be ignored as no threat to the region is irresponsible. To do so is to live in a fantasy world. Or worse yet, it is to be so consumed with the idea that America is wrong that we become convinced that anyone who opposes us is right. That simply doesn’t make sense.

I await the rant filled with examples of American evil. I hope somewhere in it there will be a discussion of Iran and whether they are actually a potential threat.


  1. Good morning USW….to answer your one statement, my career started in 1969 and ended in 2009. My first ten years was enlisted. I was an E-6 upon Special Forces graduation and part of an A team and then part of a B team until 1979. I then became an officer after I decided to make a career. I had the choice of receiving a direct commission as an NCO with combat leadership or go through OCS. I chose OCS because I did not know the ins and outs as an officer. As a prior enlisted man, I pulled KP, latrine duty, dug the ditches, and swept out the barracks. Upon graduating from the John F Kennedy warfare school, I did not have to dig ditches anymore…fox holes, yes… ditches, no. As a 2nd LT (butter bar), I already knew what the NOC’s did and they are the backbone of the Army. I knew enough that when I took over a platoon…to shut up and let my Plt Sgt handle the platoon. I concerned myself with the tactics and warfare….he ran the rest of it. I stayed out of his way….but I was enlisted and understood that from the beginning. I never had an undermanned unit because of my prior enlistment and the privates and sgts could not say that I had not been there….because I had. All this to say….I have seen both perspectives and lived BOTH perspectives.

    Now, on to Iran. Like you, I do not live in a vacuum. I am as well read and as well educated as most on here. One thing about being an officer are the briefings that one attends to see the “big picture”. One thing about being a field grade officer (major and above) is the level of the briefings and one thing about being an 0-6 (full colonel one step away from being general)are the briefings at the highest of levels. Not only do we get to see the Intel reports from our own CIA and FBI, but those of MI6 and the Mossad and the KGB and the GRU and the numerous other branches of Intel across the world, including India, China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria….etc. When there is a perceived threat, even your enemies will provide intel if they are also threatened. This is nothing new for Iran. We have even been given intelligence from the SAVAK (Iranian intelligence)….even today. There are moles in the SAVAK right now that provide us with information…it is up to us, however, to decide if it is true or not. So, we have a better insight to the world of Iran than many wish to believe. I have tried to let certain things out without violating my classified status and have done so hoping that some will pick up on it just for knowledge. I think I have accomplished that.

    Many people wish to rely solely on history. History is a great thing to read. Shows what has happened in the past. Some believe that it is also a peek at the future. This might have been true 40 years ago but not in the world of geo politics today. There are those that believe that Iran has the capacity and the capability of invading Iraq and causing great harm. There are some that believe that any armed conflict with Iran will be devastating with high American loses. Well, I am here to say that the loss of ONE American life is a high cost.

    Iran has one thing in mind. To control what was once the Persian empire and extend its influence further….all in the name of their god. However, there is a huge weakness right now. In order for the clerics and the government to maintain control, they have had to create the IRGC – Pasdaran-e Inqilab. This is the highly vaunted Revolutionary Guard which is NOT the Iranian Armed forces. This was created to ensure the power control of the government and the moral and cleric control of Iran. There is an armed force as well. The IRGC is much like our National Guard, designed to “quell” internal riots and such against a civilian population. The armed force generals will never use their ground forces to quell such violence and has informed the clerics of this. Thus the birth of the IRGC – Pasdaran-e Inqilab. There are those that have stated that the Iranian Armed Forces will not invade…this is a true statement. They are there for defense. BUT, the IRGC – Pasdaran-e Inqilab (the clerics army) consists of over 350,000 troops loyal ONLY…..ONLY….to the clerics and they are quite active outside the borders of Iran. Irans Navy and Air Force are not part of the regular armed forces and also belong to IRGC – Pasdaran-e Inqilab. This number is much smaller….around 30,000 or so according to the latest intel.

    Like Vietnam, we captured Soviet and Chinese officers in south Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia commanding troops. In Irag we capture Iranian Officers in command and the same in Afghanistan. BUT, they are not regular army…they are IRGC – Pasdaran-e Inqilab. There are hot spots all over the world where Iran’s “revolution” is taking place but it is not the regular Iranian Army…it is the private clerics army….IRGC – Pasdaran-e Inqilab. So, what is an invasion? Well, sir, there can be a ONE MAN invasion or a COUNTRY invasion. Both are still invasions and do not have to take on the form of the United States Armed Forces. To say that Iran has not invaded in 300 years is false. They have “invaded” and are doing so right now…not as an Iranian Army but as IRGC – Pasdaran-e Inqilab under the orders of the clerics.

    Please Note: Foreign Operations, Iran

    The foreign operations by the Guardians, which also encompass the activities of Hizballah and Islamic Jihad – are usually carried out through the Committee on Foreign Intelligence Abroad and the Committee on Implementation of Actions Abroad. As with agents of Ministry of Intelligence, Pasdaran personnel operate through front companies and non-governmental organizations, employees or officials of trading companies, banks, cultural centers or as representatives of the Foundation of the Oppressed and Dispossessed (Bonyade-e- Mostafazan), or the Martyrs Foundation.

    The Qods (Jerusalem) Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) is responsible for extraterritorial operations, including terrorist operations. A primary focus for the Qods Force is training Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups. Currently, the Qods Force conducts training activities in Iran and in Sudan. The Qods Force is also responsible for gathering information required for targeting and attack planning. The Pasdaran has contacts with underground movements in the Gulf region, and Pasdaran members are assigned to Iranian diplomatic missions, where, in the course of routine intelligence activities they monitor dissidents. Pasdaran influence has been particularly important in Kuwait, Bahrain, and the United Arab Emirates.

    The largest branch of Pasdaran foreign operations consists of approximately 12,000 Arabic speaking Iranians, Afghans, Iraqis, Lebanese shi’ites and North Africans who trained in Iran or received training in Afghanistan during the Afghan war years. Presently these foreign operatives receive training in Iran, Sudan and Lebanon, and include the Hizballah [“Party of Allah”] intelligence, logistics and operational units in Lebanon [Hizballah is primarily a social and political rather than military organization]. The second largest Pasdaran foreign operations relates to the Kurds (particularly Iraqi Kurds), while the third largest relates to the Kashmiri’s, the Balouchi’s and the Afghans. The Pasdaran has also supported the establishment of Hizballah branches in Lebanon, Iraqi Kurdistan, Jordan and Palestine, and the Islamic Jihad in many other Moslem countries including Egypt, Turkey, Chechnya and in Caucasia. Hizballah has been implicated in the counterfeiting of U.S. dollars and European currencies, both to finance its operations and to disrupt Western economies by impairing international trade and tourism.

    The Office of Liberation Movements has established a Gulf Section tasked with forming a Gulf Battalion as part of the Jerusalem Forces. In April 1995 a number of international organizations linked to international terrorism –including the Japanese Red Army, the Armenian Secret Army, and the Kurdistan Workers’ Party — were reported to have met in Beirut with representatives of the Iraqi Da’wah Party, the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain, Hizballah, Iran’s “Office of Liberation Movements,” and Iran’s Guardians of the Revolution. Tehran’s objective was to destabilize Arab Gulf states by supporting fundamentalists with military, financial, and logistical support. Members of these and other organizations receive military training at a Guardians of the Revolution facility some 100 kilometers south of Tehran. A variety of of training courses are conducted at the facility for fundamentalists from the Gulf states, Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, and Lebanon, including naval operations, mines, and diving operations in a special camp near the Orontes River.

    Conclusion: Call it what you want….but the REALITY is…Iran is invading. The peace loving, energy only nuke people of Iran….are invading. Perhaps not the populace….but the government is. and Iran is invading all over the world and not in the name of self defense but in the hopes of recreating the Persian Empire….this is where the history comes in. How do they establish their dominance? They do so by acquiring nuclear weapons and arming themselves….not in the name of self defense but in the name of offensive strategy. will they pop one? Who knows? I believe that they will export their technology and it will be used. Iran will get its nuke. The world cannot stop it…how will it be used… have my opinion….

    But this from a retired lame brained colonel who knows nothing.

    • D13,

      Thank you for the insight into the things I wouldn’t know. For the record, I recall knowing that you were enlisted prior to becoming an officer, and I therefore understand that you know things from both perspectives. I only have one perspective, that of the enlisted. But I study plenty and understand well.

      Your post is spot on, brother.


    • D13,

      I THINK that I have fixed your post to remove the redundant parts. If I missed anything, let me know. Sorry it took me half a day to get to it.


  2. WHOA>….sorry, I did not proof read very well…I reposted three times….oops. I think you get the gist of it tho. Sorry about that…Even retired lame brained colonel’s who no nothing are subject to mistakes as well….so shoot me.

    • That was a little confusing, but I also had a nine year old telling his mother in detail just what Bionicle or Pokemon he wants for X-mas. Its interesting how hearing these “made-up” alien sounding names while reading about middle east kinda blurs together. Latios, Dialga, Suicune, Jirchi…

      From a civilian viewpoint, its hard for me to accept their intentions are peaceful. Light water nuclear reactors use
      fuel rods enriched to 3.5-4%. Iran rejected a deal where they would have been provided that level of fuel rods, stating they would produce their own 20% enrichment.

      Disclaimer, any errors in my post are the result of a one- sided discussion of the rare Pokemon forms, and which do I think are best?

      But Tehran has since retreated from the deal, demanding what Western diplomats call killer amendments that would keep its LEU stockpile intact. Some Iranian officials suggested Iran could enrich the LEU itself from 3.5 percent to the 20 percent level needed to yield fuel rods for Iran’s medical isotope reactor.

      Ahmadinejad was more explicit. “By the grace of God, the Iranian nation will produce 20 percent enriched uranium and anything it needs (itself),” he said in a televised speech in the central city of Isfahan. He did not give a timetable.

      If it goes ahead, Iran may stoke suspicions that its eventual nuclear goal is warheads, since it lacks the technology to fabricate medical reactor fuel from higher-grade LEU. For atom bombs, uranium must be enriched to 90 percent purity.

      Iran could be enriching to 20 percent “within months” after changing the settings of its centrifuge machines, said David Albright, head of the Institute for Science and International Security, which tracks suspected nuclear proliferators.

      “Once at 20 percent, they’d be 90 percent of the way to 90 percent enrichment in terms of the time it takes,” he said.

      • I fear that I have confused everyone in my zeal to show the true Iran…sorry about that, I did not proof read well. Actually, something made me post three times and I did not need to.

        • I did manage to zero my .300 in at 100 yrds, thank you for the input. Plane to go out to 2-400 yrds in the weeks to come. Missed Bambi at 350 the other day and have not forgiven myself, that was with my 7mag, primary, so I know it was me, not the gun.

          A friend mentioned an ammo supplier that I plan to try very soon. I have no connection except being in the same state.

          • LOI…if you are spot on at 100 yards….now zero three inches high at one hundred. That .300 will reach out and touch something so at 300 yards you are hitting dead center. You do not have to aim high….recommend a 150 grain silver tip.

  3. OK, you’ve got me totally confused this morning.

    • Sorry for the confusion, Kathy…something happened with the initial posting. I though I was not getting it through and then all of a sudden there it is….three times…..LOL

  4. Judy Sabatini says:


    I would just like to thank D13 and USW for your support in yesterday’s conversation, and to let you know, my son is doing just fine.

    Hope you all will have a good Saturday.


    • Anytime, Judy. Hope your Saturday is going well. All work and no play for me today.


      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Sorry to hear that USW. My day has been going pretty good, fairly quiet around here, both boys are at drill this weekend. Say hi to your lovely wife for me.

        You take care

  5. Judy Sabatini says:

    Thought I’d put up this funny a friend sent me this morning.

    The year is 1947…

    Some of you will recall that on July 8, 1947, a little over 60 years ago, witnesses claim that
    an unidentified flying object (UFO) with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and mule
    ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.

    This is a well known incident that many say has long been covered up by the U.S., Air Force and other federal agencies and organizations.

    However . . . what you may NOT know is that in the month of April 1948, nine months after that historic day, the following people were born:

    Albert A. Gore, Jr.

    Hillary Rodham

    John F. Kerry

    William J. Clinton

    Howard Dean

    Nancy Pelosi

    Dianne Feinstein

    Charles E. Schumer

    Barbara Boxer

    See what happens when aliens breed with Sheep and Jackasses?

    I certainly hope this bit of information clears up a lot of things for you. It did for me.

    Now You Know!

  6. Murphy's Law says:

    D13- once again you have hit it out of the park with this post. So the computer repeated a couple of paragraphs……heck, I usually have to read something this informative twice anyway for it all to sink in. Thank you for giving insight that most of us just don’t have. I completely agree that history can give a lot of clues about a culture’s possible actions in the future, but knowledge of what is actually happening now is crucial as well…….and I’m convinced that Iran believes that their empire (Persia) was taken from them and their destiny, given by Allah himself, is to regain their empire.

    Understanding that Iran has their national gov’t controlled military army which is for defense, and also the IRGC controlled by the clerics, and that the two are separate entities controlled by separate “heads” as it were, clarifies so much of what I hear in the news……I just love learning from those who have been there and really know what they are talking about.

    OK- back to baking brownies….going to a UT-Nebraska game watching party tonight. Of course rooting for the ‘Horns! I may bake all day to help keep the house warm……it was in the 20’s this morning, way too cold for this lifelong Texas girl!

    And by the way, (Uh-oh…I feel some Christmas cheer needing to spill out!)…… I have never said it before, but I feel about those of you on here just like Judy S……though I don’t post all that often, I do read your posts and feel that you are all my friends. I wish I could meet everyone face to face sometime….wow, wouldn’t that be a great party! And USW- a huge hug to you for this blog and Mrs. Weapon for encouraging and supporting it!


    • Judy Sabatini says:

      Hi Murf

      Just for the record, I use my full name now, not just Judy S. anymore. Just wanted to let you know. Enjoy your game.

      • Murphy's Law says:


        I know- I was just being lazy in not spelling out your whole name……sorry. Hope I did not offend!

        Enjoy the rest of your weekend!


        • Judy Sabatini says:

          No in the least, just didn’t want you to think there was another Judy here, no prob.

          Enjoy the rest of your weekend as well.

  7. Hi Ya’ll!

    After a wek of tough hunting, I’m back to being my old self at home agian. Not much to report on the deer harvest (just 1), as the weather was not very good. If it wasn’t raining and blowing, it was just blowing (that’s windy for you non-hunters). The deer head toward the creek bottoms and hide until several days later. Next Friday and Saturday look good so far, so I’ll be back at it again.

    I’ve also gotten to learn and get quite good at Texas Hold’em, look out Mr. Flag, 🙂

    Other than that haven’t been up to date on much, but still working on a plan at the State level to counteract any BS Fed legislation.

    Hope today finds everyone well!


  8. Judy Sabatini says:

    thank you!

    If you can read this, thank a
    teacher. If it is in English,
    thank a Vet”. Unknown

    “They that give up essential
    liberty to obtain a little
    temporary safety deserve neither
    liberty nor safety.”
    Benjamin Franklin-1759
    Historical Review Of Pennsylvania

    • Hi Judy, Sounds like a few folks need something to believe in!

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        My computer suggested I go to you tube to listen, but I think you played that one before, and I really don’t feel like going to you tube.

        Good Lord, haven’t you had enough hunting yet? Your dad has kept me posted on how things were going. Sent me a pic of the kill he got. Lovely! LOL. I told him how dedicated you all are, going out in the freezing cold rain, sleet snow, wind. You guys sounded like postal workers, nothing kept you from your appointed hunting. Die hard hunters, aren’t ya.

        Looks like you have some catching up to do here, better get started and do some reading. Seriously though, good to have you back. Not a whole lot has been going on here seems like for that last couple days or so. Heck, even I didn’t have much to say. But, that depends on the subject of course, as you well know.

        • Hi Judy! Die hard might be alittle extreme, but we do hunt in some pretty brutal conditions. The coldest morning I ever went out in was -16 degrees. It was abit cold that day, but we did get one.

          The worst weather is the windy. I can deal with rain, ice, snow and a mixture of those, but windy makes things 10 times harder. If I had the best of them, I’d take light to moderate snowfall, about 25 degrees.

          Your right, I still have much hunting to do! If not next weekend, then a late bow season comes in around Christmas. I’m determined to fill our tags this year.

          Actually, not many had success this past week. Usually about 20 deer get taken off our mountain on opening day, this year, only two. A total of five for the week. I passed on 5 doe the first day, and chose not to shoot this morning at 3 others. I won’t shoot unless it’s a quick kill. So patients is a must.

          That’s hunting though 🙂


          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Well, what can I say, better you than me. Hell, I went shopping this morning and damn near froze. It’s so cold here right now, I sit at the computer shivering, but then it’s by the doggie door too.

            You sound as bad as the boys and their snowboarding, determined to get their monies worth in their passes. Guess I can’t blame any of you. I thought bow hunting was over with for this year, or am I just being delusional?

            • It was 23 degrees this morning, the nicest morning of the week. There is always a couple weeks of bow late in the year, not sure how long, it may be a 4 full weeks. That’s tough hunting at that time, lots of snow and many times quite frigid. It’s all part of the fun!


              • Judy Sabatini says:

                You’re so dedicated aren’t you G.

                Only 26 this morning, try 20 here. We’re suppose to get a really big wet storm coming in on Monday, then Wednesday and Friday, and the temps are only going to be in the low 30’s if it makes even that.

                A friend of our passed away on the 1st, and we’re going to go to his funeral. He was a member of the civil war group that we used to belong to. He was 88 years old, and a retired Lt. Col from the Air Force with 34 years of service. For what the paper said, he’s been battling cancer for the last 25 years. I just hope it doesn’t snow then.

              • Sorry about the loss of your friend. It won’t snow, just a hunch.

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                Thank you and I hope you’re right. But you know how it goes, plan for something, and th weather changes, if you don’t plan, it stys nice.

                I hate htese squishy spots.

  9. v. Holland says:

    I suspect there are some on here who may have never heard this oldie-I have to admit that I had forgotten it-but it did bring back memories and a smile-Hope you enjoy

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      HI V

      You’re right, I never heard of it before, but cute.

      Hope your day has been going good for you.

      • v. Holland says:

        I’m doing good Judy, just taking a minute to read the article and comments-Planning on building a fire and curling up in a comfortable chair and watching a movie-it’s cold and I feel like being a hermit tonight. Hope you and yours are doing well.

        • Judy Sabatini says:

          Cold here too V. Expecting some snow coming in around the first part of the week, suppose to be Monday, Wednesday and Friday, we had a few little flakes today, but nothing to speak of really. Went shopping this morning and damn near froze before I got to my car.

          Me and mine are doing just fine. Boys are at drill this weekend, so it’s pretty quiet around here. Hubby is watching The Day the Earth Stood Still, I’m going back and forth, watching some, then coming here.

          Glad to hear you’re doing good. Kind of quiet here today. No Flaggy to get things going.

          • v. Holland says:

            I really didn’t like that movie-was way too full of global warming propaganda. As far as Christmas shopping, I haven’t even started yet, something I know I’m going to regret.

            • Judy Sabatini says:

              Me either, can’t get into it. Too much going on. Have a funeral to go to Monday.A friend of our passe away on the 1st. He was in the civil war group we used to belong too. Was a very nice guy, used to make civil war bullets in the group, and always talked about the civil war, was very knoledgeable.

              Hubby is going to Hawaii with his brother on the first, and sis in law. I can’t, nobody to stay with mom, but he told me when he gets back, I can any where I want by myself. Yea, like I know where to go. Boys will be gone at the same time. Youngest is going to New York for a week, oldest son has to go to Utah for 2 weeks, sister can’t afford to take time off, already has mandatory days off without pay, so I’m going to miss out.

              That’s why I really can’t get in the Christmas spirit right now. Maybe once we get a tree, then I can. Boys are going to hang lights outside, and I was told, I have to put up indoor decorations. Seems like the older I get, I just can’t get into the holidays. Guess I’m becoming a female scrooge. LOL

              • v. Holland says:

                Get that tree up and start playing
                Christmas music-sing and dance around the house and before you know it you will have that Christmas spirit. I suspect part of the getting out of the mood as we grow older is our children growing older and not being as excited about putting up the tree and everything which I think is what put us in the Christmas spirit-now we have to put ourselves in the mood. I’m looking forward to the day that I have grandchildren to recapture the magic of seeing Christmas through their eyes.

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                By the time we have grand kids, we’ll be too old to enjoy them. We kind of have 3 grandson’s, my oldest son’s girlfriendd has 3 boys, 10,8, and 6, and my oldest just loves them to death, they even call our youngest Uncle Matt.

                Oh, I’ll get there, just takes me a while to get into the spirit. Maybe tomorrow, I’ll stat putting up some decorationnsns, and surprise my son’s when they come here.

                That’s the problem, our boys are all grown up and live on their own.

                Just me, hubby and mom here now.

                I hate getting older, turned 58 last month, and sometimes, this body just doesn’t want to do what it did before. Mind’s willing, but body, NO!

                But there again, it depends on what it is it has to do.

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                Sorry or the miss spelling, can’t take these squishy spots here.

          • Had Snow Flurries in Houston Friday, talk about Climate Change LOL

    • WoW, that is a classic. A our parents thought wanting a pony was bad 🙂

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Funny, I can’t remember that for the life of me. I never wanted a pony for Christmas, guess I was a strange little girl then. All I ever wanted was roller skates and a bike, and got them. Had a lot of fun with them too. Became a semi professional roller skater at one time. Did all the jumps and spins and dances and stuff. Quit when I got older though.

      • v. Holland says:

        Hi G. Glad your back-I had to post it-it’s an oldie, whether it’s a goodie depends on your sense of humor. I thought it was cute then and now. Does that make me an oldie 🙂

  10. .. October the vast array of actions by Iran
    to extend violence to other countries around the world….

    Around the world?

    Sorry, sir, no way. Their minor capability exists to no more than regional.

    They have no carriers, no ICBMS, no heavy lift capacity…

    They are undoubtedly the supports of Hezbollah, as the USA is the supports of Israel.

    This mismatch of support is huge – Israel gets more support from the USA then Iran’s entire military budget.

    So the claim that Iran has not initiated violence in 300 years is false.

    Strawman. They obviously have a government so at the minimum they’ve initiated violence on their own people.

    But that isn’t what was stated as fact.

    Let’s be clear….
    They have not invaded another country in 300 years….

    Let’s be clear, it
    Iran felt truly threatened by our presence in those two countries, they
    would be far more quiet these days.

    Absolutely not true.

    A nation under threat does not shrink away from that threat. They become bellicose and aggressive so to deter an attack.

    The US felt threatened by the presence of USSR in Cuba. Did the USA get ‘quiet’???

    They feel no threat, they simply
    see an opportunity to use the current situation as a false reason to do
    the things they do.

    You have to be blind to claim this.

    Current array of US forces surrounding Iran.

    Iraq – Around 167,000 troops.
    About 75,000 in Afghanistan

    Currently deployed in Western Pacific

    CVN-73 Washington

    CVN-69 Eisenhower
    supporting Operation Enduring Freedom

    CVN-74 Stennis

    Currently Surge Ready
    CVN-76 Reagan
    sustainment exercise (SUSTAINEX)

    CVN-68 Nimitz
    COMPTUEX / JTFEX underway

    CVN-75 Truman
    Tailored Ship’s Training Availability (TSTA) and Final Evaluation Phase (FEP)

    CVN-77 George H.W. Bush
    flight deck certifications

    So give me a break…. Iran is surrounded.

    The leadership in Iran is unstable at best.

    This is wholly untrue.

    The government, a theocratic republican democracy, by the way, is quite stable – probably the most stable government in the region after Israel.

    It has had three transfers of power via elections since the Revolution.

    Just as I have stated
    before, they have threatened Israel and others time and again.

    In whole and in part due to threats by Israel on Iran.

    I have been accused of polylogism, but using these arguments as grounds
    to show a peaceful Iran is certainly applying two different standards
    to similar situations, so I throw that claim back.

    Well, let’s see.

    You refuse to accept history as evidence – irrelevant to you.

    You refuse to accept the diplomatic attempts of engagement with USA and Israel (which were completely refused by the latter) – this is irrelevant to you.

    You refuse to accept the proclamations of their President – this is irrelevant to you.

    You refuse the documentation and declarations from the IAEC and the USA Security Assessment – this is irrelevant to you.


    Nothing exists that is enough for you – you’ve well darn made up your mind and that’s that!!

    They have been doing so covertly for years.

    What neighbors? They’ve been ‘harming’ Russia? Nope, they are friends.

    Iraq? Saddam tried to destroy Iran – not a neighborly thing to do I’d say.

    Afghanistan and Pakistan? Nothing there.

    So who are you talking about??

    You assume it will.

    A rattlesnake will most surely bite if you keep harassing it.

    I bet JAC will tell you the best way not to get bite by one is to leave the darn thing alone.

    But making it your enemy, your target of international harassment, embargo, incursions of combat troops and agents provocateurs may certainly end up biting your foot.

    Iran is pursuing a nuclear
    weapon. We can argue back and forth all day otherwise, but the fact is
    that they are doing so.

    Prove it.

    The same blundering idiocy that got the US people to back Bush into invading Iraq is now going hard-strong on Iran.

    The fact, USWep, is that the IAEC has stated unequivocally – as has the USA own Security Assessment – that Iran is NOT pursuing nuclear weapons.

    There is one, and only one, nation in the Middle East that has nuclear weapons. And that is the one where the effort and urgency is needed to bring to heel.

    You dismiss real fact and insert your own to fit your argument. Dishonest at best, sir.

    History shows us many countries becoming global thorns without
    having attacked anyone previously. No one thought the US was a threat
    in the late 1700’s, and they were wrong.

    Wholly untrue.
    Please provide proof to your incredible claim.

    The US was considered a serious threat to European powers well before Independence. France and Spain were seriously concerned with the expansion, prosperity of the Americas to their interests in America.

    Be careful making claims to historical reference, sir, that you may not fully known yourself.

    The world didn’t believe that
    Hitler had the potential to wreak the havoc that he did until it was
    too late.

    The world was very aware of the havoc threat of Germany. Why do you think European Powers tried vainly to de-claw her after WW1???

    There wasn’t a history of Somali pirates taking ships in
    International waters at one point.

    So now you have to reach to criminal actions to make a point???


    But to sit back and pretend that they can be ignored as no threat to
    the region is irresponsible.

    Stawman. No one is arguing ‘ignored’.

    In fact, the argument has been made many times called ‘diplomatic engagement’.

    Do you know the USA still does not have diplomatic relations at any level with Iran? Iran has requested it numerous times, and the US – so not to disturb Israel – has refused. Can you imagine something stupider than that??

    The US talks to Iran via the Swiss Ambassador. Can you imagine! The US is provoking a war with Iran over disclosures, yet can’t even talk about it without having the Swiss carry the letters!!

    This is nothing new for Iran. We have even been given
    intelligence from the SAVAK (Iranian intelligence)….even today. There
    are moles in the SAVAK right now that provide us with information…it is
    up to us, however, to decide if it is true or not.

    SAVAK was dismantled with the fall of the Shah.

    Perhaps you are referring to SAVAMA – Iran Security and Intelligence.

    So, what is an invasion? Well, sir, there can be
    a ONE MAN invasion or a COUNTRY invasion. Both are still invasions and
    do not have to take on the form of the United States Armed Forces. To
    say that Iran has not invaded in 300 years is false. They have
    “invaded” and are doing so right now…not as an Iranian Army but as IRGC
    – Pasdaran-e Inqilab under the orders of the clerics.

    But of course.

    Let’s undermine the meaning of the concept so to fit YOUR need to demonstrate demons in the closet.

    Revolution within the form is “a subversive tactic that seeks
    surreptitiously to replace the form of old things or words with new
    and/or progressive meanings in order to bring about a contrary state of
    things that normally would not be accepted by society.

    Basically, the names of the old things are preserved, but their meanings have been altered”

    To rally the people and the troops to attack a nation that has not invaded another for over 300 years, you simply redefine ‘invaded’ and “Poof!”…unlimited justification to act and REALLY INVADE the nation!

    From a civilian viewpoint, its hard for me to accept their intentions are peaceful. Light water nuclear reactors use fuel rods enriched to 3.5-4%. Iran rejected a deal where they would
    have been provided that level of fuel rods, stating they would produce
    their own 20% enrichment.

    First, let’s make sure you’ve separated the issues.

    The 20% is not about the energy fuel, but for medical use.

    They rejected the deal because there were no guarantees of the shipments of nuclear fuel.

    Essentially, Iran would deliver all of theirs back, and …. the USA, France and Russia had no requirement to reciprocate. Iran insisted on guarantees.

    The IAEC also stated agreed that this was the stalemate.

    • Flagster,

      I posted above the enrichment for “light water nuclear reactors” is 3.5-4%. True or false?

      Iran has announced they will enrich to 20% for medical research.
      Can you provide information that would support this?

      Iran is a sovereign nation, and has as much right as the US, Israel,or any other nation to obtain nuclear, or any other weapons it deems are in its best interest. True or False?

      Iran has signed Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and is even on the UN committee. Enrichment beyond four percent tells me they are seeking nuclear weapons, and treaties, agreements, etc, with infidels have no meaning. Which may explain why the Saudi’s are buying record levels of arms.

      The 2009 sales were up from $36.4 billion in sales agreements in 2008 and $23.3 billion in 2007, said the agency, which administers the Pentagon’s Foreign Military Sales program, a key part of U.S. alliance-building and maintenance.

      U.S. sales are expected to top $37.9 billion in fiscal 2010, which began October 1, Vanessa Murray, an agency spokeswoman, said in a written reply to Reuters.

      Top U.S. arms makers such as Lockheed Martin Corp, Boeing Co, Northrop Grumman Corp, General Dynamics Corp and Raytheon Co are looking to boost overseas sales to help hedge against Pentagon belt-tightening at home on big-ticket arms programs.

      The top purchasing countries in 2009 were United Arab Emirates ($7.9 billion), Afghanistan ($5.4 billion) and Saudi Arabia ($3.3 billion), followed by Taiwan ($3.2 billion), Egypt ($2.1 billion), Iraq ($1.6 billion), NATO ($924.5 million), Australia ($818.7 million) and South Korea ($716.6 million), Murray said.

      And I have no doubts, good sir, that your wife, even after strenuous exercise, smells of jasmine. I fear your daughter will not fare so well, with your corrupting influence, I expect jasmine and Hope’s #9?

    • BF Says: To rally the people and the troops to attack a nation that has not invaded another for over 300 years, you simply redefine ‘invaded’ and “Poof!”…unlimited justification to act and REALLY INVADE the nation!

      D13 responds: Quite the contrary, sir. I DO NOT…repeat…DO NOT support an invasion of Iran and have stated so. I say leave them alone. Let that side of the world deal with it. The USA needs to be done with it. Period. I, personally, could care less it Iran disappeared in the dust. We need to NOT be there. My only backtrack to this….if they fire one missile, one bullet, one rubber band or thumb tack our way…..then unleash hell. You wish to say that surrounding someone is provocation and that anything is a justifiable response. The oceans are free and Iran can send its cleric Navy to patrol our shores. I do not care. The Russians do it all the time. The Chinese are doing it now. Who gives a rat patootie? I am not going to fire on them because they are off my shores…and we are a big boy. We do not stop Iranian ships or aircraft and we even let the little Napoleon in our country to bad mouth us.

      It is fools folly to keep saying that exporting revolution is not war. It is, sir….it is.
      You have implied many times that using surrogates is just another way of invading….and that is exactly what I am saying or implying. For the USA to supply Israel as a surrogate is no different than Iran supplying Hezbollah as a surrogate, or the fighters in the Philipines, Somalia, and elsewhere. Merely pawns. So it is even.

      And to lay claim that Iran is only “responding” is also lost on me….to never be retrieved. You suggest that the US has always denied diplomatic relations with Iran since the Shah was overthrown is not entirely correct. Iran has rejected plenty of overtures of peace with conditions attached and the US has also rejected overtures for peace with with conditions attached. AND both sides are guilty of this. I will agree that it is a sad state that negotiations without conditions can not start but neither country seems willing to do that. I have a very good State Department friend that resigned several years ago for that reason. NO ONE seems to want to negotiate without conditions. I will not agree and never will agree to any overture as a gesture of goodwill because “history” says someone has been mistreated. DEAL with today…not yesterday. So, we have a stupid standoff and nothing is going to get solved and someone will pull a trigger sooner or later.

      However, sir…I ask you this question. How would you negotiate with Iran today…right now…without bending over and without conditions? How would you do it without some show of good will or gesture? It should not take a show of anything to sit down at the table with no expectations or conditions and start talking and try to find common ground from BOTH sides…not one sided from either side.

      To your other suggestion that am changing the word invasion to fit my purpose.It does not take an army to invade. It can be military, academic, economic, or subversive. Invasion of a sovereign territory does not always mean bullets. So, sir, invasion takes many forms….hell, even Pancho Villa invaded the US with 100 men…

      By the way, my latest briefing in 2006 still uses the term SAVAK.

  11. Judy Sabatini says:

    Hi Flag

    How you doing? Hope things are going good for you.

  12. Judy Sabatini says:

    I wish you Enough !

    Recently I overheard a Father and daughter in their last moments together at the airport. They had announced the departure.

    Standing near the security gate, they hugged and the Father said, ‘I love you, and I wish you enough.’

    The daughter replied, ‘Dad, our life together has been more than enough. Your love is all I ever needed. I wish you enough, too, Dad.’

    They kissed and the daughter left. The Father walked over to the window where I was seated. Standing there I could see he wanted and needed to cry. I tried not to intrude on his privacy, but he welcomed me in by asking, ‘Did you ever say good-bye to someone knowing it would be forever?’

    ‘Yes, I have,’ I replied. ‘Forgive me for asking, but why is this a forever good-bye?’.

    ‘I am old, and she lives so far away. I have challenges ahead and the reality is – the next trip back will be for my funeral,’ he said.

    ‘When you were saying good-bye, I heard you say, ‘I wish you enough.’ May I ask what that means?’

    He began to smile. ‘That’s a wish that has been handed down from other generations. My parents used to say it to everyone..’ He paused a moment and looked up as if trying to remember it in detail, and he smiled even more. ‘When we said, ‘I wish you enough,’ we were wanting the other person to have a life filled with just enough good things to sustain them.’ Then turning toward me, he shared the following as if he were reciting it from memory.

    I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright no matter how gray the day may appear.

    I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun even more.

    I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive and everlasting.

    I wish you enough pain so that even the smallest of joys in life may appear bigger.

    I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.
    I wish you enough loss to appreciate all that you possess.

    I wish you enough hellos to get you through the final good- bye.

    He then began to cry and walked away.

    They say it takes a minute to find a special person, an hour to appreciate them, a day to love them; but then an entire life to forget them.

    *Only if you wish send this to the people you will never forget. If you don’t send it to anyone it may mean that you are in such a hurry that you have forgotten your friends.

    Take Time To Live..

    To all my friends and loved ones, I wish you Enough!

  13. Judy Sabatini says:

    Flag, Since it looks like it might be a slow weekend here, I would really love to read another one of your stories about your life, that’s if you’re willing to share another one. Totally up yo you.


  14. Judy Sabatini says:

    To all who might come here tonight, I want to wish you a very good night tonight, and a wonderful tomorrow.

    Love you all, my very special friends


  15. JAC:

    Are you getting a blizzard out your way? Better get your snow shovel or snow blower ready.

    It’s been snowing here for the last 3 days. I think it is lake effect snow. Lake MI is still warm.

    • Birdman

      Blizzard like in the middle of the state and east yesterday.

      The west side is stormy but no real snow. Just wind and clouds with some snow up high.

      Stay warm


  16. Judy Sabatini says:

    English language – Excellent

    THIS IS GREAT!!! Read all the way to the end……………. This took a lot of work to put together!!!

    You think English is easy???

    1) The bandage was wound around the wound.

    2) The farm was used to produce produce .

    3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.

    4) We must polish the Polish furniture.

    5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.

    6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.

    7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present .

    8) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.

    9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.

    10) I did not object to the object.

    11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.

    12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row .

    13) They were too close to the door to close it.

    14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.

    15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.

    16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow..

    17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.

    18) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.

    19) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.

    20) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?

    Let’s face it – English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant, nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren’t invented in England or French fries in France . Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren’t sweet, are meat. We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.

    And why is it that writers write but fingers don’t fing, grocers don’t groce and hammers don’t ham? If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn’t the plural of booth, beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices? Doesn’t it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend? If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?

    If teachers taught, why didn’t preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell?

    How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.

    English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all. That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.

    PS. – Why doesn’t ‘Buick’ rhyme with ‘quick’ ?

    You lovers of the English language might enjoy this .

    There is a two-letter word that perhaps has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is ‘UP.’

    It’s easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of the list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP ?

    At a meeting, why does a topic come UP ?

    Why do we speak UP and why are the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to write UP a report ?
    We call UP our friends.

    And we use it to brighten UP a room, polish UP the silver; we warm UP the leftovers and clean UP the kitchen.

    We lock UP the house and some guys fix UP the old car.

    At other times the little word has real special meaning.

    People stir UP trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses.

    To be dressed is one thing, but to be dressed UP is special.

    A drain must be opened UP because it is stopped UP.

    We open UP a store in the morning but we close it UP at night.

    We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP !

    To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP, look the word UP in the dictionary.

    In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page and can add UP to about thirty definitions.

    If you are UP to it, you might try building UP a list of the many ways UP is used.

    It will take UP a lot of your time, but if you don’t give UP, you may wind UP with a hundred or more.

    When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP .

    When the sun comes out we say it is clearing UP…
    When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP.
    When it doesn’t rain for awhile, things dry UP.

    One could go on and on, but I’ll wrap it UP, for now my time is UP, so…… is time to shut UP!

    Now it’s UP to you what you do with this email.

  17. Judy Sabatini says:

    Nevadans’ support diminishes

    More Info

    President Barack Obama has lost ground in the last month in getting Nevadans to embrace his health care reform package and, for the first time, opposition is above 50 percent and support is below 40 percent, a new poll commissioned by the Las Vegas Review-Journal reveals.

    The telephone poll of 625 registered voters found that 53 percent of Nevadans oppose the president’s attempt to provide a remedy for problems in the nation’s health care system. Support for the plan is at 39 percent.

    That’s a 4 percentage point difference in both categories from an October poll that showed support at 43 percent and opposition at 49 percent, almost within that poll’s margin of error. Now the gap is at 14 points and opposition in Obama’s own Democratic Party is climbing, from 15 percent in October to 23 percent in the most recent poll.

    But the numbers are not far off from an August poll that showed support at 40 percent and opposition at 50 percent.

    Fueling discontent with the bill, the poll shows, is the growing belief by Nevadans that Obama’s reform package will raise taxes, result in rationing of health care, and cause major cuts to Medicare programs.

    “When you look at the entire poll, it’s clear the voters of Nevada do not want this bill to pass,” said Brad Coker, managing partner of Washington, D.C.-based Mason-Dixon Polling & Research Inc., which conducted the poll Monday through Wednesday. “When you break it all down, it appears that Nevadans would just as soon throw this bill out and start over.”

    The poll carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

    Coker said the poll results aren’t good news for U.S. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., chief architect of the Obama supported plan. Only 39 percent of the poll respondents approve of Reid’s efforts to get a bill through the U.S. Senate at a time when he’s running for re-election.

    Though 70 percent of Democrats support Reid’s efforts, Coker said that probably isn’t enough to outweigh the disapproval of 53 percent of independents and 87 percent of Republicans.

    “Reid is going to be front and center carrying the flag for this reform that few people like and that’s not going to help him in his re-election,” Coker said. “You remember what happened historically to flag bearers in war. The flag bearer gets shot first.”

    But Erik Herzik, a political scientist at the University of Nevada, Reno, said the poll numbers “may not be as bad as you think for Reid.”

    “When you add the 39 percent who approve with 11 percent who aren’t sure whether they approve, you’ve got 50 percent,” Herzik said. “And that gives him a chance.”

    A growing distrust of government, according to David Damore, a political scientist at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, is reflected in the poll results.

    “People are saying, ‘If you can’t run a Cash for Clunkers program right, how are you going to handle health care reform?'” he said. “To show you how deep the distrust of government is by Americans today, people now seem to think the government bureaucrat is worse than the insurance company bureaucrat. There is a lot of concern about the amount of debt that the government has taken on.”

    According to the poll, 80 percent of Nevadans, including 67 percent of Democrats, believe the reform package’s estimated cost of almost $1 trillion over 10 years will require tax increases.

    That mind-set exists despite continued assurances by Obama and Reid that no new taxes will be imposed on families making less than $250,000 in order to pass health reform.

    When he ran for president, Obama pledged not to raise taxes on the middle class while making health insurance available to everyone.

    “Nevadans seem to realize that no one has ever underestimated the cost of a government program,” Coker said.

    Coker said the huge government bailouts of failing banks and auto companies have had a huge effect on voters when it comes to their perception of the public option — or government insurance program — that would primarily help the poor.

    Only 30 percent of Nevadans in the poll support the idea. Broken down by party, 53 percent of Democrats polled support the option while just 3 percent of Republicans favor it.

    People hear that 30 million go without health insurance, but most Americans do have it, Herzik said. “And a lot of people don’t want to have to pay for those without it.”

    Although fewer than half of Nevadans polled believed in October that rationing of care or Medicare program cuts would be spawned by the health reform bill, those positions have changed substantially.

    In the latest poll, 55 percent of voters believe rationing will result, and 54 percent see Medicare programs being trimmed.

    “What that shows more than anything is that the Democrats haven’t been able to explain what their program will do,” Damore said.

    “We already have rationing. Millions don’t have insurance, and insurance programs tell you what doctors you can go to,” he said. “And even the AARP supports how Medicare is being handled in the health care reform package. There’s a lot of misunderstanding out there.”

    Though it is apparent that Nevadans don’t support the current health reform proposal, Herzik notes that the poll does show that people see problems with the current system.

    “They want something done, not just the specifics being offered,” he said.

    Thirty-nine percent of Nevadans in the poll say some change is needed to expand insurance availability and to better control costs, and 16 percent say minor changes have to be made to a basically sound system. In other words, 55 percent see a need for some reform.

    But just 29 percent of voters believe the system needs a major overhaul, one that guarantees health insurance to everyone. And 9 percent believe the system should be left alone.

    In the August poll, 65 percent of respondents believed it was necessary to make “major structural changes” in the health care system to provide affordable health insurance for all Americans. But that poll did not specify what options respondents might want to see.

    Regarding how their representatives voted on the House reform bill that recently passed, 52 percent of poll respondents in Democrat Shelley Berkley’s 1st Congressional District approved of her “yes” vote while 43 percent disapproved. More survey takers in Democrat Dina Titus’ 3rd Congressional District disapproved of her “yes” vote — 47 percent, compared to 41 percent approval. Both districts have more Democrats registered than Republicans.

    Meanwhile, voters in Republican Dean Heller’s 2nd Congressional District, where Republicans hold the registration advantage, approved of his “no” vote by a wide margin, 60 percent approval to 27 percent disapproval. These questions had a margin of error of plus or minus 6 percentage points.

    To Coker, Nevadans’ stand on health care reform brings to mind the dilemma of what a car owner does with a troublesome 5-year-old car.

    There is always the option, he said, of buying a Mercedes Benz at three times the cost, which is the way many people see Obama’s health care reform package. Or you could repair what you have.

    “It seems clear,” he said, “that Nevadans want to repair what we have.”

    Contact reporter Paul Harasim at or 702-387-2908.

  18. Judy Sabatini says:
  19. v. Holland says:

    Let’s see global warming became climate change, terrorist activities became man-made disasters, Now exit strategies are transitions. They really do try to satisfy everyone, by lying to everyone-the left was mad at
    Bush for not having an exit strategy, so Obama felt he had to announce an exit strategy-now to quiet the right-the exit strategy really isn’t an exit it’s a transition, a transition that they have no idea how long it will take. If I’m gonna be consistently lied too I really wish they would at least be good at it.

    “2011 is not a cliff; it’s a ramp,” he said. “It’s when … we’ll be able to see very visible progress and be able to make a shift.”

    Gen. Jones didn’t specify how long a withdrawal might last.

    “Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, appearing on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” said, “We’re not talking about an exit strategy or a drop-dead deadline,” “What we’re talking about is an assessment that … we can begin a transition, a transition to hand off responsibility to the Afghan forces.”

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates, also speaking on “This Week,” said he didn’t consider the president’s Afghanistan announcement “an exit strategy” but rather “a transition.” He said the president’s timetable wasn’t arbitrary, but was based on what “our military leaders believe will give us time to know that our strategy is working.””

  20. v. Holland says:

  21. Judy Sabatini says:

    Tomorrow marks the 68th anniversary of the bombing of Pearl Harbor. “A date which will live in infamy.”

    Pearl Harbor survivor back for 1st time since war
    AUDREY McAVOY – 12/6/2009 5:04:14 PMBookmark and Share

    Ed Johann will always remember the sound of planes diving out of the sky to bomb U.S. battleships, the explosions and the screams of sailors. He still recalls the stench of burning oil and flesh.

    The 86-year-old retired firefighter is due to return Monday to Pearl Harbor for the first time since World War II to attend a ceremony marking the 68th anniversary of the Japanese attack.

    “I really don’t know how I’m going to handle it,” said Johann, from his home in Oregon. “When I think about it, all I have is unpleasantness. I’m sure it’s not like that now.”

    Johann was a 17-year-old apprentice seaman on Dec. 7, 1941. He had enlisted in the Navy only five months earlier so his parents, who picked and packed tomatoes and other crops in California’s San Fernando Valley, wouldn’t have to support him.

    He and two other sailors were waiting to ferry passengers on a small boat to and from the USS Solace, a hospital ship that was moored in Pearl Harbor, when they saw the Japanese planes.

    They first thought they were U.S. aircraft conducting drills until they saw explosions and flames from the stricken ships.

    Johann’s motor launcher boat rushed to the USS Arizona, which was hit by several bombs, one of which struck her forward ammunition magazines and set off a massive explosion. Already fueled and manned when the attack began, their 30-foot boat was the first rescue vessel to arrive at the scene.

    They found the water littered with people _ some wounded, some dead, some unharmed. Many were covered in the leaking oil from the ships.

    They loaded as many as they could and delivered them to the hospital ship before returning to the USS West Virginia for more.

    “As we’re pulling them out of the water, a lot of times the skin would come right off the arm,” Johann said. “They would just be black with oil, except maybe you could see the white of their eyes.”

    The planes kept coming. Dive-bombers plunged out of the sky, dropping bombs and strafing the water and ships with machine gun fire before roaring back up for another round. Torpedo bombers flew in level to drop their submersible weapons for underwater assaults.

    The burning, sinking vessels at first lowered men into Johann’s makeshift rescue boat. But some sailors started to panic and jump into their small ship, forcing it to pull away so it wouldn’t sink too.

    “Some of the sailors would be like in shock and some of ’em would be like going out of control, screaming and hollering,” Johann said.

    The next morning _ after nervously worrying the Japanese planes would return _ Johann’s boat unloaded men from the Solace who failed to make it through the night and delivered them to land.

    “We had them stacked like cordwood in our boat. The open end where the feet was sticking out was these big brown tags that said ‘unknown, unknown,'” Johann said. The military hadn’t adopted dog tags yet and many couldn’t be identified.

    The attack sank four U.S. battleships and destroyed 188 U.S. planes. Another four battleships were damaged, along with three cruisers and three destroyers.

    More than 2,200 sailors, Marines and soldiers were killed.

    “We didn’t survive by any skill,” Johann said of his boat. “It was just luck, pure luck. Because all we were concentrating on was trying to save people, and not save ourselves.”

    Johann served the rest of the war on the USS Wright, a seaplane tender. After 1945, he returned to California where he worked in sawmills before moving to Portland, Ore. where he spent 28 years as a firefighter. He retired to a beach cottage in Lincoln City and where he served on the city council, helping build hiking trails and campaigning against domestic violence.

    Every Fourth of July, he goes to bed early to avoid the fireworks because they remind him of Pearl Harbor’s explosions. Even so, the blasts keep him awake.

    But the horrors he went through also led him to become a firefighter.

    “I think I had it in my mind,” Johann said, “I wanted to help people.”

    For years, Johann said he wouldn’t go to the annual observance in Hawaii in honor of those killed in the attack. But now that he’s 86, it seemed liked a good idea.

    “If I’m ever going to do anything like that I’d better do it now,” Johann said. His son, who lives on Maui, will accompany him.

    Organizers expect between 40 and 50 survivors of the attack to come. Overall, some 2,000 people are expected to attend the ceremony on a pier overlooking the spot where the Arizona sank.

    The bodies of more than 1,000 sailors and Marines are still on board, and small drops of oil continue to rise from the battleship.

    • Let me tell you a story of an IL farm boy. Enlisted USAAF fall 1940, preferred duty location Alaska or Hawaii. Wanted to be there on day one. Got sent to HI over Thanksgiving ’40. He went to mechanics school at Hickam and ended up at Wheeler Field in a fighter squadron. In mid-Nov. ’41 orders (signed by FDR) were given to go on a full war alert. Planes were dispersed, armed, warmed up periodically. Hawaiian newspapers for Nov. 30th warned an attack was imminent. The farm boy was issued a .45, ammo, and told to chamber a shell. On Dec. 5, orders were given to prepare for a general and admiral’s inspection of the islands. Planes were lined up on the tarmac, disarmed, and side arms collected. The inspection scheduled for Saturday morning was not held and passes were issued for the first time in a month. The farm boy went to Honolulu and saw a serial movie, “Don Winslow in the Navy, the Bombing of Pearl Harbor”. The farm boy returned to base that night. His bunk was in an 18 man tent between hanger #2 and hanger #3. Several other similar tents were in this area.
      Early the next morning the farm boy now a Cpl. dressed in Class A’s to go to breakfast then to church after which he intended to spend the day working with a friend in the base photo lab. It was their hobby. He stepped out of the tent a few minutes before 8:00 am looked up and saw a plane diving on the field. It’s red ball on the wing was quite evident. The Cpl. dove back into the tent under his bunk to retrieve his helmet and rifle while shouting “Hit the deck boys, it’s the Japs!” One of the men replied, “You’ve been watching too many movies.” Some stayed in their bunks, others jumped up. About this time the first bomb blew up about 40’ away leveling the tent and many others. When the Cpl. woke up, there were bodies and injured all around and the first raid was over. Chaos was all around.
      The first order of business was to assist the wounded. He did that. When the second raid started, he headed to the armory to get something to throw back. The locker was locked, a Sgt. was attempting to break the lock with a crowbar. A 2nd Lt. walked up and ordered them to stop as there were no orders to issue guns and ammo. The Lt was crowned with the crow bar and the locker opened. One soldier, a large Swede grabbed a .50 and started to run for a plane to arm it. Along with him was a much smaller soldier. A zero came in to strafe, the smaller man said, “What I wouldn’t give for a tripod.” The Swede threw the .50 on his shoulder and said, “Will this do?” There was not much the Cpl could do during the second raid but take cover. More chaos, more wounded to attend to.
      That evening, he was ordered to select 3 other men for special guard duty. He was taken to a house in officer row. Inside the house were 8 late term pregnant officer’s wives that could not be evacuated to the hills. He was given 8 rounds to be kept in his shirt pocket in case the island was overrun. I can only imagine how scared he was at that prospect.
      In the ensuing 4 days, there was no sleep and very little food. They pulled guard duty at night and repaired/remanufactured planes during the day. At the end of 4 days, they had 4 flyable planes. Novel engineering and a lot of bailing wire was involved. The Cpl even engineered putting wings from a P36 on a P40 fuselage. On day 4, to drink a cup of coffee, he had to rest it against a door post and slide it up to his lips as he could not stop the shaking.

      Below is a link to a photo page of Wheeler Field. These photos were take 1-4 days after the raid. Look carefully at the lower left photo on the page. It is a picture of 4 GIs stripping parts from a P40 fuselage. The IL farm boy, my Dad, is the second from the left, behind the propeller.

      The Cpl, later a TSgt. died just 5 months before 9/11/2001. He would have been furious that it happened again.

  22. Interesting views from some in the black community on Tiger:

    Tiger’s troubles widen his distance from blacks


    Amid all the headlines generated by Tiger Woods’ troubles – the puzzling car accident, the suggestions of marital turmoil and multiple mistresses – little attention has been given to the race of the women linked with the world’s greatest golfer. Except in the black community.

    When three white women were said to be romantically involved with Woods in addition to his blonde, Swedish wife, blogs, airwaves and barbershops started humming, and Woods’ already tenuous standing among many blacks took a beating.

    On the nationally syndicated Tom Joyner radio show, Woods was the butt of jokes all week.

    “Thankfully, Tiger, you didn’t marry a black woman. Because if a sister caught you running around with a bunch of white hoochie-mamas,” one parody suggests in song, she would have castrated him.

    “The Grinch’s Theme Song” didn’t stop there: “The question everyone in America wants to ask you is, how many white women does one brother waaant?”

    As one blogger, Robert Paul Reyes, wrote: “If Tiger Woods had cheated on his gorgeous white wife with black women, the golfing great’s accident would have been barely a blip in the blogosphere.”

    The darts reflect blacks’ resistance to interracial romance. They also are a reflection of discomfort with a man who has smashed barriers in one of America’s whitest sports and assumed the mantle of the world’s most famous athlete, once worn by Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan.

    But Woods has declined to identify himself as black, and famously chose the term “Cablinasian” (Caucasian, black, Indian and Asian) to describe the racial mixture he inherited from his African-American father and Thai mother.

    This vexed some blacks, but it hasn’t stopped them from claiming Woods as one of their own. Or from disapproving of his marriage to Elin Nordegren, despite blacks’ historical fight against white racist opponents of mixed marriage.

    On the one hand, Ebonie Johnson Cooper doesn’t care that Tiger Woods’ wife and alleged mistresses are white because Woods is “quote-unquote not really black.”

    “But at the same time we still see him as a black man with a white woman, and it makes a difference,” said Johnson Cooper, a 26-year-old African-American from New York City. “There’s just this preservation thing we have among one another. We like to see each other with each other.”

    Black women have long felt slighted by the tendency of famous black men to pair with white women, and many have a list of current transgressors at the ready.

    “We’ve discussed this for years among black women,” said Denene Millner, author of several books on black relationships. “Why is it when they get to this level … they tend to go directly for the nearest blonde?”

    This tendency may be more prominent due to a relative lack of interracial marriages among average blacks. Although a recent Pew poll showed that 94 percent of blacks say it’s all right for blacks and whites to date, a study published this year in Sociological Quarterly showed that blacks are less likely to actually date outside their race than are other groups.

    “There is a call for loyalty that is stronger in some ways than in other racial communities,” said the author of the study, George Yancey, a sociology professor at the University of North Texas and author of the book “Just Don’t Marry One.”

    The color of one’s companion has long been a major measure of “blackness” – which is a big reason why the biracial Barack Obama was able to fend off early questions about his black authenticity.

    “Had Barack had a white wife, I would have thought twice about voting for him,” Johnson Cooper said.

    So do Woods’ women say something about the intensely private golfer’s views on race?

    “I would like to say no, but I think it garners a bit of a yes,” Johnson Cooper said.

    Carmen Van Kerckhove, founder of the race-meets-pop-culture blog Racialicious, said there have been frequent discussions on her site about the fine line between preference and fetish.

    “Is there any difference between a white guy with a thing for blondes, and a non-white guy with a thing for blondes?” asked Van Kerckhove, who has a Chinese mother, a Belgian father and a husband born in America to parents from Benin.

    She claims that Asians don’t fully embrace Woods, either.

    “There are two layers of suspicion toward him,” Van Kerkhove said. “One toward the apparent pattern in the race of his partners, and the second in the way he sees himself. … People have been giving him the side-eye for a while.”

    There’s nothing wrong with wanting a mate who shares your culture, as long as it’s for the right reasons, the comedienne Sheryl Underwood said after unleashing a withering Woods monologue on Tom Joyner’s radio show.

    “Would we question when a Jewish person wants to marry other Jewish people?” she said in an interview. “It’s not racist. It’s not bigotry. It’s cultural pride.”

    “The issue comes in when you choose something white because you think it’s better,” Underwood said. “And then you never date a black woman or a woman of color or you never sample the greatness of the international buffet of human beings. If you never do that, we got a problem.”

    Jesse Washington covers race and ethnicity for The Associated Press.

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      Sorry, but cultural pride my foot, it’s racism for what I see. So what if a black man marries a white girl or visa versa? What difference does it make, and who’s business is it anyway? I don’t care if it’s a professional golfer, actor, or just plain John Doe that marries a white gal, race has nothing to do with it.

      My cousin is married to a black guy, so what, nobody has given them any grief about it. Both sides of the family has welcomed both with open arms. He is a very well respected person in his community, church, and job, and one of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet, and so are his family, very nice people.

      I just get very tired of the race issue coming out,no matter what the issue is. Enough already. Yea, I know, the race issue will never go away.

  23. Football

    My bowl game match ups, and if the BCS had any brass.

    Alabama vs. Texas
    Cincinnati vs. TCU
    Florida vs. Boise State
    Oregon vs. Ohio State

    See how easy that is BCS.

    Big shout out to Bama Dad, I really didn’t think they could put a whoopin on Florida.

    Second big shout to D13 and all ya other Texas folks. It was close but you made it.

    • The devil went down to Georgia and had alligator stew for supper this weekend. We look forward to having longhorn steak come January. I must say my boys looked good Saturday, had a house full and we had a grand old time. Texas scared me, I wanted them to win.

      • Texas scared the hell outta me as well…..Mack Brown admitted that he made a mistake he will never repeat again….he was all for Colt McCoy and the Heismann….they tried to tailor the game to him and abandoned the running game. It really cost them big.

        But…here as a wager for you Bama dad.

        If Alabama beats Texas, I will wear an Alabama shirt for one week if you will reciprocate and wear a Texas shirt if Texas wins….how ’bout it?

        • I better get down to Austin tho….I understand that the pucker factor was so great on our kicker that he is still trying to dig uniform out of his butt.

  24. Judy Sabatini says:

    For those who like Charlie Daniels The Devil Went Down To Georgia.

    • Bottom Line says:

      Judy, you got me on a classic country youtube kick.

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        HI BL

        I like country music better, but now you’re really going back some there with this song.

      • Bottom Line says:

        Patsy Cline does Hank Williams’ “Lonesome Blues”

        • Bottom Line says:

          Lol. I called it “Lonesome”…Should have said “Lovesick”

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Patsy Cline’s Crazy, love that one. I’m trying to get Alan Jackson’s Remember When up, give me moment.

            • Bottom Line says:

              I almost played “Crazy”, I decided not to as it’s so common. I thought it might be nice to hear something kinda different.

              “Crazy” is one of my favorites as well…

              Oh, what the hell…

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                Thanks BL, always liked her music. I really wasn’t in country too much, but that’s all my son’s listen to, and I got hooked.

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                Gee, I hope USW doesn’t get angry for not sticking with the issues.

                NAH!, It’s Sunday, a day off from politics I think is a good thing, don’t you.

              • Bottom Line says:

                I don’t think he will mind too much.

                Just my humble opinion, but…

                Music is always a good thing.

              • Bottom Line says:

                I wasn’t really a big country fan either ’till I dated this girl once years ago. She reminded me of Elly May right out of the Beverly Hillbillies. She was southern fried sweet and gorgeous. She could sing like a bird too. Her dad would sometimes get out his OLD Gibson and she would sing songs like “Harper Valley PTA” and “Ode to Billy Joe”. I got hooked on classic country.

                I’ve always been more of a rock, metal, and blues guy. But I listen to almost anything.

                Every now and then, I gotta listen to some old country tunes.

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                Going down below, too squishy here

      • Bottom Line says:

  25. Judy Sabatini says:

    Toby Keith An American Soldier

  26. Greetings to All!

    I’m glad you’re all keeping warm 😉

    Has anyone seen this article on AT yet? WOW! O wonder if O’s Blackberry is subject to the FOIA?

    December 06, 2009
    Take Our Playbook, Please
    By John Griffing
    The time for words has passed. President Obama and Eric Holder are placing American lives in danger and openly aiding and abetting America’s enemies. Obama and Holder want to give civilian trials to confessed 9/11 mass-murderer Kalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) and his accomplices. Giving civilian trials to non-U.S. citizens and unlawful combatants not even protected by the Geneva Conventions is both unconstitutional and a violation of the oath of office to defend Americans against all enemies foreign and domestic.

    The obvious risks of giving an accomplice in the terrorist murder of three thousand Americans a civilian trial are many. Trivial arguments like concern about the psyche of New Yorkers, or more serious ones like the ability to get a conviction, don’t get to the heart of the matter. Never in U.S. history have foreign soldiers been given the rights and immunities of U.S. citizens in American courts. Cases such as Mohammed’s have always been handled in military tribunals. This is a stunning departure from accepted practice, with no reasonable justification. Why?

    President Obama couldn’t find a precedent if he spent a ten years poring over every law-related tome ever written. The only prominent Supreme Court cases granting terrorists rights in civilian court are irrelevant in the case of KSM. The Supreme Court decision Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, which ruled that U.S. citizens held in Guantanamo are entitled to habeas corpus, does not factor because KSM is not a U.S. citizen. Boumediene v. Bush, which held that foreign combatants are also entitled to habeas corpus and repudiated military tribunals, does not apply because President Obama has decided that military tribunals are allowable.

    When Lindsey Graham asked Holder point-blank if he could produce a legal precedent for his decision, Holder could not. Holder even refused to give a definite answer in the hypothetical of whether or not Osama bin Laden would be tried in civilian court. What will it take before we hold President Obama accountable? Will he have to sign an order granting bin Laden a visa?

    When President Obama and his chief legal adviser are talking citizen’s legal rights for the man that viciously slaughtered three thousand peaceful Americans as they worked in their offices, it is time for heads to roll. Why are they doing this, when there is no legal precedent, unless the aim is to help America’s enemies?

    Aiding and abetting America’s enemies is the constitutional definition of treason, and it applies to every American, in every walk of life. That includes President Obama and his shady allies. The president is not above the law, and he must be held accountable for his transgressions, whatever they may be. But what do you do when your own president commits this kind of brazen assault on America? Is anyone really ready to accuse him?

    I grow weary of the widespread argument that President Obama is an inexperienced, bumbling innocent who is simply naïve of history when it comes to foreign policy. Obama knows what he is doing. He’s not just appeasing America’s enemies; he’s friends with them.

    Everything Obama has done since he took office points to his bias against his own country: abandoning victory in Afghanistan; appointing two radical supporters of Islamic Sharia law to key government positions; selling out European allies in a secret deal with Russia; threatening Israel; and hiring every communist Mao-worshiper available. Obama’s hiring practices might lead one to conclude that he evaluates applicants solely on the basis of their support of Soviet doctrine and Maoist strong-arm tactics.

    Also true to form is President Obama’s request for Congress to delay investigation of the recent Islamic attack at Fort Hood. Whatever his stated reasons, this just doesn’t feel right. President Obama actually had the nerve to justify this course of action in terms of preventing “political theater.”

    Even disregarding innocent side-issues like President Obama’s fondness for the militant Islamic Call to Prayer, we should certainly be alarmed by his eagerness to give preferential treatment to our most virulent enemies.

    And President Obama goes far beyond mere preferential treatment. He might as well have declared surrender in the War on Terror during his Cairo address, saying that “America is not — and never will be — at war with Islam.” Tell that to those fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, the victims of the London Tube bombings, or the victims of 9/11. Adding insult to injury, Obama also gives open support to the aims of Hamas:

    With respect to Hamas, I do think that if they recognize the Quartet principles that have been laid out — and these are fairly modest conditions here…then I think the discussions with Hamas could potentially proceed. And so, the problem has been that there has been a preference oftentimes on the part of these organizations to use violence and not take responsibility for governance as a means of winning propaganda wars or advancing their organizational aims.

    To President Obama, the radical aims of Hamas are fine, so long as Hamas achieves them “peacefully.”

    President Obama apparently could even see Islam dominating in the USA, calling America “one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.” Obama believes that we have much in common with the tenets of Islam, saying, “America and Islam are not exclusive…and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.” If that is true, I fear for the survival of freedom in America. Islamic views of “dignity” and “tolerance” generally involve killing infidels: “seize them [non-believers] and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly” (Sura 4:90). “Fight them until Islam reigns supreme” (Sura 2:193). “Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers” (Sura 8:12).

    How are we to respond to this kind of behavior? Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. President Bush was nearly impeached for farcical accusations against him concerning the Valerie Plame affair. What should happen to President Obama for repeatedly siding with America’s enemies? When is enough enough?

    If America allows President Obama to proceed unchallenged in his move to give citizens’ legal rights to foreign terrorists, what’s next? How can a nation control its destiny when virtual agents of our enemies control policy? It’s time to call things what they are and act accordingly.

  27. Judy Sabatini says:

    Bing Crosby White Christmas A real classic.

  28. Judy Sabatini says:

    Well, we’re finally getting those promised snow flakes, not much right now, but it’s very cold and the wind is picking up. Suppose to have snow through to tomorrow. More on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

    Just thought I’d share our weather with you all. Anybody else getting snow?

    Hope you wonderful people are having a great Sunday.

    • They are calling for 4″ of snow in Sacramento. Should make for an interesting commute home. Not sure I will be able to get up my hill (~700′).

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Snow in Sacramento? Can’t say I ever heard of snow there. I take it that’s where you live then. It’s blowing like crazy now. Looks like about an inch here so far, which is in Reno. That’s where I live.

        • Live in the foothills near Coloma at about 1500′. Snow here is rare but happens about once every 4 years.

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Never heard of it. About in which direction is that?

            • Sutter’s Mill Gold Discovery Park

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                When I was little, we went there, but I don’t remember it too much. I was born in Sacramento, but raised in Pinole, ever hear of it?

                We used to go to Soada Srings quite a bit too during the winter to play in the snow.

                I lived in Northern Calif until I got married when I was 17, then moved to Burbank, that’s where my husband is from and he used to work for Lockheed until until 2 years before they closed up, then moved here to Reno in 1990, been here since.

              • Soda Springs I have heard of. Not sure I could find it. Not sure where Pinole is either. I am not native to CA, grew up in IL, then moved to PA for school, then to MD, MA, & NJ before coming to CA in ’92.

                Did you see my comment in 21 above?

              • Judy Sabatini says:

                Going below, too squishy

  29. Here is a pretty good explanation of what the Global Warming emails and other data released on the net actually mean. And why it is important.

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    I also like rock, but not that crap that’s out there now. I grew up in the 50’s and that’s the kind of music I like, classic rock. My brother in law was in a band, hell he’s been playing the drums for over 40 years, anyway, they always played the music from the 50’a thru the 70’s. Evey summer here, we have what you call Hot August Nights, and there’s nothing here but old cars, and old music playing for a week through Reno. It’s really a lot of fun listening to the music, gals wearing their poodle skirts , guy wearing their T-shirts with the sleeves rolled with a pack of smokes in them, even fix their their like thy used to wear it.

    If you ever get a chance to come to Reno, that’s the time to come. Got to take a break for a bit.

    • Bottom Line says:

      I lived in Vegas for a while. Never made it to Reno though. Sounds like a blast. Nevada is probably one of the most free states of the union.

      In my travels, I’ve been to a few of those type of unique festivities. They’re always fun.

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Well, come on up next summer, the first week of August is when Hot August Nights takes place. I think you’d have a lot of run.

  35. Judy Sabatini says:

    Hey BL You still around?

    • Bottom Line says:

      I’m back, you still there?

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Yea, but I was going to get off here in about 10 minutes or so. I’m freezing and I want to go take a nice hot shower. Not snowing right now, but it’s very cold. Only got up to 32 today, suppose to drop into the teens here tonight. Just wanted to let you know.

  36. Judy Sabatini says:


    I’m sorry, I have to admit, I didn’t read it, I’m bad, forgive me.
    But I will go back and read it.

    I couldn’t tell you how to get to Soda Springs if my life depended on it now. Pinole is on the other side of Vallejo, have you heard of that. Pinole used to be a small little town, but it has grown some over the years. I went to school there all my life, from grade school on up to high school, until I met my husband, who was in the Army at the time, stationed at Oakland Army Base which is no longer there.

    I was 15 when we met,that was in 1968, blind date really, didn’t like each other much, but we gave it another try, and we ended up liking each other. Got married in 69, and been together ever since.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go read your post from above. Again I’m sorry.

    • I remember seeing signs on I80 for Pinole. It’s not far from Richmond.

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        No, it’s not, I used to live there too when I was very small. I can still remember the neighbor lady who used to watch me when my parents were at work. I even remember her name, it was Mrs. Randall, a black lady who was always so nice to me, always let me have cookies and milk when I got home from Kindergarten. I used to play with her son, who wasn’t much older than me. Oh, those were the days. We used to live in Atchison Village. Not sure that place is still around.

        • Soda Springs is about 1/2 way between us. Would not like to go there tonight. We have rain here. It is below 40° so could be snow on the ground by morning. The most I have seen here in 17 years is 4″.

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Try about 4 feet right in front of your house. Hey, maybe sometime we ought to get together and go have some dinner or something. That’s if you ever get in the neighborhood here.

            Okay, left you and Bottom Line a message down below.

            Good night T and I’ll see you here tomorrow if you’re on.

            Pleasant dreams my friend.

            • I grew up in IL so know snow with 30 mph winds well. Also survived the blizzard of ’78 in Boston. Should be good sleeping tonight.

  37. Judy Sabatini says:

    Great story T-Ray, and great pictures too. My dad was in the Air Force during WWII, flew into Europe, while his younger brother was in the South Pacific fighting the Japanese. We used to hear a lot of great stories from both of them about the war. Every time there was a war movie on TV, we has to watch it, no matter what.

    My dad got a medal for saving one of his buddies when their plane caught fire. I have a picture of my dad in front of the plane he used to fly in in. He wasn’t the pilot, but the bombadier. The name of his plane was The Fuddy Dudd, it was a B-17.

    My dad and his brother are no longer with us, his brother passed away in the early 90’s and my dad passed away in 1998 ffrom brain cancer. I miss those stories he used to tell, but they will be locked in my mind forever.

    • Judy Sabatini says:


      I was going to get off here in about 15 minutes, I’m freezing and I want to go take a nice hot shower. I’ll let you know when, so you don’t think I jumped ship here.

  38. Judy Sabatini says:

    Well BL and T-Ray I’m going to go take my shower I’m literally shivering, and I’m tired too. It has been a great pleasure talking with both of you, and maybe we can continue this conversations tomorrow during debate time with everybody.

    You both have a great night and I will see you here tomorrow.

    Take care guys.


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