Wednesday Night Open Mic for December 30, 2009

Since there was no open mic for Tuesday Night I figured I would do one for Wednesday night this week. And in doing so we have the final open mic night for 2009. A tumultuous year to say the least. I mean let’s face it, it was the absolute worst year for politics since…. 2008! I continue to spend time with my son, which is awesome! Last night we watched District 9, and I was not blown away the way I hoped to be. Tonight it was “Public Enemies” with Johnny Depp. I have to admit that he is one of my favorite actors. Extremely talented, very versatile, and in a showing of how messed up the academy is, devoid of the honor of winning an Oscar. He is, in my opinion, the most talented actor to not have an Oscar, and there are tons that have one that are not nearly as talented as Depp. The movie was good. Another glorification of a criminal, which is nothing new in Hollywood. But a good movie, and Depp was good.

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  1. USWeapon Topic #1

    Radical Imam Tied to Terror Plots Has Gone ‘Operational’ in Yemen

    Al-Awlaki was thought to have been killed in an air strike by Yemeni forces last week, but that is now unconfirmed. The senior U.S. official told Fox News that the cleric, an American citizen now living in Yemen, had previously been devoted to “propaganda and spiritual guidance,” but went operational in the past year.

    The volatility of the region has also raised major concerns over the Obama administration’s move to release Guantanamo Bay detainees there. Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula — a network led by two former Guantanamo detainees — claimed responsibility on Monday for the attempted bombing on Christmas Day of a Northwest Airlines flight headed to Detroit.

    So far no evidence has been revealed that the suspect in the Northwest attempt, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, exchanged e-mails or talked one-on-one with al-Awlaki. But collected evidence shows that the suspect was a “big fan” of al-Awlaki, and Web traffic shows Abdulmutallab was a follower of his blog and Web site.

    Al-Awlaki, the imam from whom alleged Fort Hood shooter Malik Nidal Hasan sought religious advice, is in the heart of a region that is becoming increasingly volatile. The senior U.S. official told Fox News that the Arabian Peninsula terror network has branched out beyond Yemen and Saudi Arabia and has shown “intent to hit Western targets and the homeland.”

    The instability of the region is reviving criticism of the Obama administration’s plans to transfer some Guantanamo detainees to Yemen, which has an abysmal record of keeping detainees in prison.

    Read the Rest of the article on Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/29/radical-imam-tied-plots-gone-operational-yemen/

    And a link to the Cesca article that I am discussing below: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/republican-hypocrisy-on-t_b_407459.html

    And an article at Huffington from former Ambassador Marc Ginsberg on Yemen’s troubles: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amb-marc-ginsberg/yemens-islamic-agony_b_406119.html

    I could have used any one of a hundred articles to bring the topic to the table. Allow me to first say that I am getting really tired of the Republicans throwing around this horse dookey that this all shows that Obama is weak on terrorism. As I talked about the other night, it is a charade, and that any Americans allow themselves to fall for that line of thinking is idiocy. However, there is just as much idiocy in the far left, as evidenced by the second link above to resident fruitcake Bob Cesca who seems intent on not only spinning past events to fit his rant but in also blaming Bush for failing to protect the UK and Spain from terrorist attacks. To think that this nut job is actually writing a book called “One Nation Under Fear” pains me. I am surprised he can keep a coherent thought longer than 240 characters. I am willing to bet he won’t include a chapter on how the left uses fear to get stimulus passed or a chapter on how Obama uses fear to rally folks around the health reform charade. And we definitely won’t find a chapter on how the left uses fear to turn the global warming myth into legislation. But I digress. Witnessing pure idiocy can do that to you.

    What bothers me about the rhetoric that I am seeing in the media lately is the consistent and rising discussions about Yemen. The claims that Yemen has become the new home for terrorists since Afghanistan is not a viable option any longer. CNN had an article this evening titled “Is Yemen the Next Afghanistan?” We saw a US drone bombing the week before Christmas that went after Al Qaeda operatives there. And the Arabian Peninsula wing of the group is now claiming responsibility for the Christmas day attack attempt.

    This worries me. I understand that Yemen is a place that is struggling right now to gain control of the rogue elements operating in their country. But they are working to do so. So let me first say that we should be doing absolutely NOTHING in Yemen that the Yemeni government doesn’t explicitly ask us to do. But under no circumstances should we be looking to invade Yemen. While I am no fan of Obama, I certainly hoped that the one good thing he could do for me was stop sending our soldiers out to fight wars in other countries. I expect him to end the two we have going, and to not start another one. But the rhetoric in the media about both Yemen and Iran has me a bit concerned…..

    • You better watch out, USW. The fact that the same Imam and the Fort Hood Shooter and the “crotch rot bomber” have all contacted each other will blow a hole in the “isolated incident” theory of the system that works just fine. Look over your shoulder before you have a sub-peee-neee…..

      All of this is amazing. I am fast changing my position on “hitting” the states that are sponsoring this type of “isolated criminality”. I don’t want my boys back in the fray, but I am teetering once again. Economic sanctions have proven not worthy of consideration any longer. They are not going to arrest their own, obviously. AND, on Christmas Eve, 9 more Yemenis were let go from Gitmo and sent to……Yemini? The Obama administration this morning is really pissed because THAT information leaked out. Diplomacy has proven to be ineffective. Iran has thumbed its nose at the entire world community and is now openly seeking help in developing a nuclear weapon by the end of 2010…but I forgot…it is a nuclear weapon for peaceful purposes. This from a country that has not invaded another country in 300 years…oops….can no longer say that since armed Iranian troops crossed internationally established border lines to go into “supposedly disputed territory” to capture and hold an oil well….but this will be white washed as well.

      Interesting situation we are in….this is not the end….How many “isolated criminal” incidents does it take? Persian history, that some like to refer too, consistently shows that the man with the big stick….wins.

      • D13,

        Until the USA comes to grips with its constant and consistent penchant from intruding into other nations business and welfare for the sake of Mercantilism, the US will be the light that attracts the terrorists.

        • Yeah well, it does make us a light that attracts them. But it is a bug light. They won’t like the zap that accompanies the attraction.

        • I seem to remember China, France and Russia violating the “food for oil” program, which I think explained their opposition to sanctions that might have prevented the Iraq invasion. To achieve economic dominance, would any of them NOT consider actions to weaken the US?

          from yesterday,

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism

          After the 1953 death of Stalin and subsequent destalinization, according to defector Ion Mihai Pacepa, the KGB continued its policy of supporting a number of terrorist organizations. KGB General Aleksandr Sakharovsky said that “In today’s world, when nuclear arms have made military force obsolete, terrorism should become our main weapon.”[50] He also claimed that “Airplane hijacking is my own invention”.[50] In 1969 alone 82 planes were hijacked worldwide by the KGB-financed PLO.[50]

          Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa also described operation “SIG” (“Zionist Governments”) that was devised in 1972,

          to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the United States.

          [50] According to him, KGB chairman Yury Andropov explained him that “a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States.”

      • D13,

        I can appreciate the folks that feel this was an isolated incident. I do not agree however. These are not isolated incidents. When you have a link to a group such as Al Qaeda involved, nothing is isolated. Isolated, in my opinion, means no connection to any other incident, and anything Al Qaeda does is not isolated.

        It does worry me that the government is pretending such. It shows either an ignorance of reality, or a purposeful misdiagnosis meant to push a certain point of view. Either way, it is not good to see the President make an idiotic statement like that.

        Hope your day is well brother.

        USW

    • Another perspective on how to deal with terrorism.

      http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/12/30/ouch-putin-answer-about-terrorism-stuns-press-conference-silence

      This video of Russian ex-President (now Prime Minister) Vladimir Putin’s response to a question about terrorism at a G-8 summit press conference was posted in early 2008. However, his answer is worth noting now in light of Barack Obama’s rather dispassionate first response to the Nigerian Christmas Day bomb plot terrorist which came off as sounding like a tepid legalistic statement from a deputy district attorney. Here is a transcipt of the question from a French journalist and the blunt response from Putin which stunned the press conference to silence:

      FRENCH JOURNALIST: …Don’t you think that by trying to eradicate terrorism in Chechnya you are going to eradicate the civilian population of Chechnya?

      VLADIMIR PUTIN: If you want to become an Islamic fundamentalist and be circumcised, come to Moscow. We are multiconfessional. We have very good specialists. I can recommend one for the operation. He’ll make sure nothing grows back.

  2. USWeapon Topic #2

    TSA subpoenas bloggers, demands sources

    As the government reviews how an alleged terrorist was able to bring a bomb onto a U.S.-bound plane and try to blow it up on Christmas Day, the Transportation Security Administration is going after bloggers who wrote about a directive to increase security after the incident.

    TSA special agents served subpoenas to travel bloggers Steve Frischling and Chris Elliott, demanding that they reveal who leaked the security directive to them. The government says the directive was not supposed to be disclosed to the public. (Elliott is a regular contributor to msnbc.com.)

    Frischling said he met with two TSA special agents Tuesday night at his Connecticut home for about three hours and again on Wednesday morning when he was forced to hand over his lap top computer. Frischling said the agents threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he didn’t cooperate and provide the name of the person who leaked the memo.

    Read the rest of the article from MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34636278/ns/us_news-airliner_attack/

    The second I read the headline I was certainly interested in hearing the rest of the story. The article was short, but it gave me what I needed to know, which was a confirmation that the situation was as bad as I feared. Now we have the TSA going after bloggers who share whatever information that they post on their blog. What bothered me the most was the claim that the agency would get in the way of his contract to work for KLM. Great, that is exactly what we as a country should be advocating. The federal government allowing an agency to threaten a private citizen unless they do what the government wants.

    This is a bad step in the direction of “1984” in my opinion. The American people should step forward and say enough. The federal government is meant to serve her citizens, not threaten them into compliance. I understand fully the importance of secrets for national security, as I will discuss on topic #3. But if it was that much of a security concern, the government should do a better job of making sure that it doesn’t get out. Instead they are attempting to suppress the rights of citizens under the claim of national security. Bravo for Frischling for refusing to divulge his sources. Shame on the piss-ant TSA for taking this tactic. Perhaps they should simply do a better job in the first place instead of pulling McDonalds workers from the Fry Machine to the Scanning machine.

    • USW – do you have a good lawyer and he is on your speed dial?

    • Nothing the government does surprises me any more.

      How secure is your site? Can the government get all of our e-mail addresses or IP address to track us down?

      Not that we did anything wrong but I just want to know how vulnerable we are.

      Can the echelon (Spellilng) software/computer track all communications (cell, internet, hard wire phone)?

      • Everything here is protected by WordPress. You can sleep soundly knowing that one of the largest blog companies in the US is in play here. Much like google or yahoo, it would be national news should the government attempt to gain access to any personal information that resides on the servers. That isn’t to say that the government can’t get it. We all know their reach. But it wouldn’t be as easy as going after some little blogger in NC.

        I don’t worry too much about it. I can assure you that I don’t give out email addresses easily, as those of you who have requested such have found. I have to have the OK from both parties before I will forward one to another. WordPress does store all information though. If the government comes for WordPress, we will know it and will be able to prepare ourselves. But, there is nothing happening on this site that warrants federal attention. Small talk of dissatisfaction and frustration is a hill of beans. If anyone were to go too far, I would attempt to put a stop to it before it got to be a problem that would attract negative attention.

        USW

        • Bottom Line says:

          USW – ” Everything here is protected by WordPress. You can sleep soundly knowing that one of the largest blog companies in the US is in play here. ”

          BL – I certainly don’t want you to take this the wrong way and be offended when I say this, but…

          Don’t be naieve Mr. Weapon. Nothing is protected.

          I assure you they can, do, and probably are hacking SUFA and a thousand other forums just like it.

          The only real way to protect SUFA is by shutting it down.

          • Happy New Year Birdman! 🙂

            I doubt USW even doubts that big brother watches this site. They can, and will, it’s open to the public. I’m not worried about it at all. Fear is not apart of my life, so let them all come and get some, they may not like the results!

            G!

            • OOPS!! Meant to type Bottom Line. Paint fumes must be in full gear LOL.

              Sorry BL,

              G!

              • Bottom Line says:

                lol.

                No sweat bro.

                It MUST BE a good new years eve.

                Feelin’ alright tonight G?

                Cheers!

                Happy New Year!

            • Bottom Line says:

              G,

              I know a thing or two about how the intelligence community works.

              They can pretty much do whatever they can get away with, without getting caught…

              And their resources are almost limitless.

              Is it legal to Hack into our comps? No, of course not.

              Are they hacking into our comps? Probably.

              Try and Prove it.

              • BL!

                Beer is flowing well now that the painting project is done for the night. 😆

                I agree that we are all being monitored, I really like it, I hope they read everything I write.

                Quiet night so far, me and the dogs, some good Country Music on the stereo, the woodburner is going, couldn’t ask for more. Much snow comimg this weekend, but that’s normal. Hope you have a great night! Next year will be quite interesting, for many reasons for me, but interesting non the less.

                2 hours and 20 minutes, and we have a new years, Hope yours is a good one! 🙂

                G!

              • Bottom Line says:

                G – “I agree that we are all being monitored, I really like it, I hope they read everything I write. ”

                I would assume they are… Not that SUFA would rank at the top of the priority list, but they probably have someone assigned to SUFA and others,… just for the sake of awareness.

                My guess is that they’re busy with more important things than you and I talking trash about them.

                Happy New year G.

              • Bottom Line says:

                Correction:

                My guess is that they’re busy with more important things than to worry too much about you and I talking trash about them.

          • BL,

            I have no illusions that they cannot hack SUFA at any point that they like. What I meant was that the email addresses and stuff like that are on the wordpress server, not on my computer. While my computer is probably a little more safe than wordpress, nothing can stop big brother if he wants to look. That much is a positive. I have worked on the secretive side of government. I hold no illusion around the power the have. But I do not worry about anything that is written here. They have far more to worry about than a couple of pissed off patriots, lol. We aren’t the problem they ned to pay attention to…… YET.

            • Bottom Line says:

              LOL, I read your post after I posted to G saying about the same thing.

              USW – “I have worked on the secretive side of government. I hold no illusion around the power the have.”

              I don’t know a great deal about your resume’ and experience other than general info you’ve shared here. But I know what special ops does and how they coordinate with Intel.

              I wasn’t trying to discredit your awareness…I was just sayin’.

              And I too have worked and seen the secretive side of government.

              I know they’re some slick mother fff…well, you know.

              Because of them, I now know how to hunt someone and kill them, without ever breaking a single law.

              It’s scary what they know how to do.

    • USW:

      Way to go………I am now wide awake as my blood is boiling.

      This is where Congress needs to step in with meaningful hearings. But instead we’ll be listening to debates on the BCS bowl system.

      This has convinced me to go out and shoot up a box of clay birds today. Perhaps paste a picture of each member of Congress on them before sending to their ultimate destruction.

      JAC

      • JAC:

        If we were neighbors I would join you and supply the shotgun shells. I also have a thrower and I’ll bring that.

      • It bothered me quite a bit too JAC. I have come down from boiling. A long trek through the woods with the puppy was enough to calm me down. Enjoying a day off with the family. And since we are an alcohol free house, a safe new year celebration will be in the works. Shoot a couple of clay birds for me. Put a picture of Bob Cesca on one and a picture of Janet Incompetano on the other.

        Hope you are well my friend. Did you catch that comeback win for Idaho last night? Not bad, starting at their own 30 with 25 seconds left down by 7. Score the touchdown and go for two and the win with 4 seconds left…. and got it. Best bowl game finish thus far.

        USW

        • USW:

          I saw the highlights of the Vandal victory on the internet soon after the game. It was in deed a great effort. The Idaho head coach was Defensive Asst and the Linebacker coach at Washington State when the made the two trips to the Rose Bowl. He has always had a great sense of what his players are feeling and thus his gambles pay off more often than not. He’s turned that program from a loser to this in two years.

          Clay birds were killed and much fun was had. Daughter’s boyfriend had never shot a gun before. Many misses but a couple hit solid. Daughter had trouble as the gun was way to big for her. But about 4 rounds fired she looks at her city boy at exclaims….”Man I love the smell of gunsmoke”. Daddy’s little girl for sure.

          After I had killed several in a row (no misses today) I turned to the young man, from New Jersey, and stated…..”And that is why the city folk stand no chance when they come for our stuff”. He busted out laughing.

          We are cooking and eating with a few drinks and lots of laughter tonight. Daughter leaves for the big city tomorrow at O’dark thirty so will spend the rest of the evening with her.

          So, my dear friend. I wish you the best and a very Happy New Year to the Weapon household. May the God of the universe smile upon you and the sun beat warm upon your face, and the wind be at your back.

          Until next year, Best of wishes
          JAC

    • That ain’t nothin’, USWep

      Carrying with the million piece puzzle of 9/11, Sibel Edmonds, a FBI translator, was being recruited by foreign entities, and she exposed both the spies in the FBI and the source of the recruitment to her superiors.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds

      Instead of taking action, the FBI fired her and gagged her.

      The spies escaped to Europe, and still work for the State Dept.

      She exposed a Turkish/Israeli front dealing with nuclear arms trading that had supplied Khan of Pakistan with his nuclear triggers.

      She exposed something a lot bigger than that too – what that was, no one knows, and the Justice Dept. invoked State Secrets to prevent its exposure.

      Crimes against the USA and its citizens are being actively covered up by the Government of the USA.

  3. USWeapon Topic #3

    Obama moves to curb federal secrets

    President Barack Obama on Tuesday ordered the federal government to rethink how it protects the nation’s secrets, in a move that was expected to declassify more than 400 million pages of Cold War-era documents and curb the number of government records hidden from the public.

    Among the changes is a requirement that every record be released eventually and that federal agencies review how and why they mark documents classified or deny the release of historical records. A National Declassification Center at the National Archives will be established to assist them and help clear a backlog of the Cold War records by Dec. 31, 2013.

    Obama also reversed a decision by President George W. Bush that had allowed the intelligence community to block the release of a specific document, even if an interagency panel decided the information wouldn’t harm national security.

    Read the rest of the article at MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34625270/ns/politics-white_house/

    Score one for the President in terms of living up to some of the promise of transparency that he promised. Granted he is only apparently being transparent with things from the past, while fervently concealing everything that he does, but I guess we have to start somewhere. The only bad news is that those on the left will use this as de facto proof that he is transparent, when the reality is that he is not.

    Let’s not pretend that what is going to be revealed is going to be anything of substance. That is, unless it is damaging to the Bush administration. The federal government has hidden the majority of what it does from the American people for 100 years or more. I refuse to fall for this call from the President. Nothing will change. All the things that the federal government wants to get away with will still remain classified until those who could be held accountable are either dead or outside the statute of limitations. What will become transparent will be the frivolous stuff that no one really cares about. He will then have “something to hang his hat on” while actually changing nothing at all.

    And here is the deal for me…. I don’t want them to reveal certain things. When it comes to true national security issues, I am fine with stuff staying classified. There are some things the population simply isn’t prepared to know about or that is important enough to national security to not make it public. I know that, and I am OK with it. My previous life showed me in a very limited way the sheer number of things that the public shouldn’t know. It also showed me that the folks in Washington are adept at using national security as an excuse to get away with murder, sometimes even literally.

    • USW…you and I both know that there are plenty of things the general public need not know. That is fact. It does not begin nor stop with the Bush administration. There are plenty of documents that I would like to see back in the 20’s and 30’s that are still classified and plenty of documents during the McCarthy era as well.

      There are several incidents in the Vietnam War that need to be declassified but will not be because of political correctness and the embarrassment to the former Soviet Union and China and the fact that we hid their atrocities from the American Public.

      It is not limited at all and no one President has done more than any other….except maybe this administration but that has yet to be determined. Anyway, the public just does not need to know how thin the thread is to this world or some of what is still going on…

      The United States is not innocent….but it is not the largest.

      • D13 and USW:

        I must disagree with some of your points.

        First, the “American people aren’t ready” or “they can’t handle it” is a feable excuse that will just perpetuate the tyranny. Until the American people know the truth they can not begin to understand the flaws in what they have been led to believe is a righteous system.

        Second, if we want to resurrect a true democratic Republic then we need to restore the People’s understanding that THEY are the ultimate soveriegn and not the govt. This requires that they have the information needed to exercise their right to decide what happens in their name.

        Third, there is a limit but that limit should be based on that which will threaten existing operations or lives of our citizens (covert and otherwise). I doubt that most of the stuff from decades ago would fall under that category.

        The minute we decide there is information that should be hidden because the public isn’t ready or can’t handle it, is the minute we hand over that decision to the Govt. When the Govt can unilaterally decide when we are ready then we will never be ready. After all, they need to manage our lives because we aren’t smart enough.

        And, if we were to start behaving ourselves as a true country of free people should, then how could most of those state secrets harm us in the future?

        The best to you both this New Years Eve.
        JAC

        • JAC:

          Well said and I fully agree. “State Secrets” is the key word. The “State” or government does not trust their own citizens and that is BS.

        • I wholly diagree with USWep and D13 and fully agree with JAC and Birdman.

          The People have a right to know what their government is doing in their name.

          To withhold such details under the intellectually weak argument ‘you can’t handle the truth’ is actually a call for active deception, lie, and tyranny.

          Government achieves tyranny by working in the shadows and away from prying eyes. If it can murder, steal, fabricate, provoke, etc. without observation then it achieves total control over the people.

          It has been, and shall always be, when the People see the tyranny of its government, is when the tyranny falls.

          There is no excuse for free People to support such a horrific belief then maintaining a veil of secrecy to protect those whose actions directly threaten and harm the Nation’s citizens.

          • each one of you missed my point…..I will try to be more succinct.

            First, anything that involves the people of the United States on a domestic scale should never be held secret.

            Second, there is a need to know priority out there that needs to be adhered to. I mean no disrespect to you BF but from reading and typing back and forth with you, I would not feel comfortable with you having State secrets….perhaps I do not know you well enough…but from what I have surmised from your writings, your dislike of this country is stark…at least to me it is…and I have no doubt in my mind that you would reveal such if you thought it politically advantageous. This is where you and I differ. I possess secrets that I particularly do not like…in fact, abhor. But they will remain secrets. It matters not that these secrets, some of them, violate my own principles…they are, in fact, secrets and I would violate my own integrity by giving them up. There is no justification for revealing same.

            Third, there are plenty of covert issues out there that if the public knew the full story, they, and you, would be so incensed that you would clamor for heads in violation of your own principles of non intervention. There are plenty of issues that make me so mad that I could chew bullets and spit out the projectiles…..but they are secrets and the public does not have a NEED to know. Our government has covered up plenty and taken the blame for a lot when the blame could easily be proven and put elsewhere but because we do not wish to offend, then it is not done.

            Fourth, which is a repeat for the most part. Things that are 100 years old, I could care less about. Things that are 50 years old, will not change anything….except perception. Yourself would be in awe of some of the things that have gone on in your precious protectorate of Iran…things that are going on now and have gone on. With the Shah and afterwards.

            Finally…I never said that the United States is blameless in some things. To say such would be folly. To lay it all at the feet of the United States as some of you do…is also fools folly. In as much as you want to bring the US down…you want to also protect the ones that are worse.

            So, the public has a right to know…..but not always the NEED to know and there is a balance. Personally, I would love for ALL of the atrocities of Vietnam to come out. The atrocities committed by the US in Vietnam pale significantly when compared to the atrocities by China and the former Soviet Union and North Korea in Vietnam. If the truth were known today, the backlash against those countries would be worse than anything that you see against the Muslim community today and the Vietnam war was 40 years ago. So, I think it is better to keep it away….for now.

            So, I know that several of you disagree….and I do see your point. There are things that my children and grandchildren will never know that I saw…there is no need.

            • Our paradigm is within the state. We grew up in the state and know nothing else. I believe you are a good person and I know that you do not like the direction this country is headed toward with more government control over our lives.

              I don’t think you have made the leap to government is evil. You still accept that government is needed and feel it is your job to protect government from all enemies both foreign and domestic. Would you shoot on civilians if government told you to do so? Would you obey such orders from Obama or whoever is President?

              If what government does is wrong, illegal, immoral, unethical in war etc., why do you have to sacrifice your principles to protect the government? You are probably fearful that they will throw you in jail under their “state secrets, need to know” laws.

              Need to know is subjective. Why do you need to know and not me? You are military so it is OK for you to know but not civilians. I thought we had civilian control over the military. You can handle the truth but not me?

              • It isn’t a matter of “handling the truth”, at least not in my opinion. It is simply a matter of what good would it do to know? There are things that could do major damage to international relations, cause great upheaval in the world. What good would it be to put them out there and potentially lay the foundation for a gigantic world war, and believe me there are things that could do just that.

                It is not a desire to hide anything from the public that drives my thinking on the subject. It is a desire to keep a stabilized environment.

              • Birdman Says: I don’t think you have made the leap to government is evil. You still accept that government is needed and feel it is your job to protect government from all enemies both foreign and domestic. Would you shoot on civilians if government told you to do so? Would you obey such orders from Obama or whoever is President?

                D13 says: You are right and you are wrong in the leap. Evil may not be the word that I put on it. But the government is wrong in a lot of things…right in a lot of things. Wrong in the erosion of our freedoms. I do feel that some form of government is needed if kept within a framework of providing for the common defense. I will protect my government IF I feel that it is correct and I will protest it if I feel it is wrong. Your question about shooting civilians does not go far enough. If there were a group of civilians exercising their rights to protest and doing so peacefully and not violating law and the government said shoot them to disperse them…I would not and neither would any other officer or soldier. However, if these same civilians were destroying property by fire or endangering citizens or beating others up..I would not hesitate to shoot. All officers have a moral obligation to not violate law in both war and peace no matter who gives the orders. So, I find this part of your argument moot.

                Birdman says: If what government does is wrong, illegal, immoral, unethical in war etc., why do you have to sacrifice your principles to protect the government? You are probably fearful that they will throw you in jail under their “state secrets, need to know” laws.

                D13 responds: If my government does something wrong, illegal, immoral, unethical etc…there are avenues to redress those grievances. The process may take longer but there are avenues. There are no secrets in the violation of law. However, violation of law is not subjective. If you, as an officer, or myself, disagree with the government and, as individuals, we feel that it is immoral and we are entrusted with classified information….to disclose same because we feel we are justified…is also immoral and illegal. Everyone of you on this blog have always said, two wrongs do not right the ship. If you violated your own oath and your own integrity for personal or political gain by revealing secrets…then you are worse than an evil government…or at the very least…on the same scale.

                Birdman says: Need to know is subjective. Why do you need to know and not me? You are military so it is OK for you to know but not civilians. I thought we had civilian control over the military. You can handle the truth but not me?

                D13 says: You are wrong sir….need to know is NOT subjective at all. Military is no justification for a need to know or not know. Just because I am a Colonel with the an SSIR clearance (greater than Top Secret), does not entitle me to read anything that I wish. I must possess a genuine need to know. Does this not also fall under the proprietary rules of civilian business as well? Am I entitled to see company secrets under you definition? Why just government? Yes, the military is under civilian control and I would never advocate other wise. But, sir, YOU as an individual may can handle things…but I do not have that same feeling about the general public. Not because of a backlash against government but a backlash of further saying…why have we allowed these things to happen to US….not a philosophy or ideology. USW is correct when he says it is a desire to keep a stabilized environment….I will add….not government.

          • BF and JAC.

            I can appreciate your positions. I am not totally opposed to you in principle. What I do understand, and I think that both of you understand as well, is that there are secrets out there that could destabilize the entire global infrastructure. Is there a good that can come of making those things public?

            You both know that I am a believer in the power of the people. I am also quite understanding that the people can be led in some bad directions (just take the way they are manipulated into supporting expanding government). Is there a point where a people that easily manipulated are able to satisfactorily process and deal with information that would completely shift their paradigm?

            • What is the point of stabilizing evil?

              If, under the argument of preventing “disruption”, you willfully prevent the exposure of evil – does not that action also further the aims, strength and scope of evil?

        • Buck The Wala says:

          Hey JAC,

          Overall I agree with you — the American people should have a right to this information. “Americans are not ready for this” is an extremely feable excuse and when that sentiment is used as justification for keeping certain documents classified, I smell something fishy.

          But there is undoubtedly information/documents out there that the government has a legitimate need to protect against its release — not from the American people, but from others. National security is a valid rationale for classifying such documents, but only goes so far. How would you propose dealing with this information?

          To me, what is needed is certain safeguards to allow for the release of information, even ‘national security’ information, over time. In this regard, I think Obama’s decision is a good one — calling for the release of thousands of older documents, as well as setting up a system for the declassification of documents going forward by a panel.

          I got another hour of work then a holiday luncheon with the firm. Then its back to the apartment. You’ll be happy to know I’m planning on cooking a nice meal for the Mrs (and the bro-in-law), opening up a nice bottle of wine, and just taking it easy tonight.

          Enjoy New Years with your family!

          –Buck

          • Buck:

            We are in Total agreement, almost. My point #3 was to address true National Security needs. But as I said, if we are not meddling in everyones business there shouldn’t be nearly as much to keep hidden.

            I agree with USW on Mr. Obama’s stated action. It sounds good but will probably change little from what has happened in the past. It will be released where it serves a purpose we may not understand. But I will hold out a little hope that I am wrong.

            Doing much the same at our house this evening. Daughter and boyfriend, wife, and youngest son. Daughter and boyfriend leave tomorrow then back to the normal, if there is such a thing.

            Happy New Year my dear fellow.
            I will raise one to you and yours this evening.
            Enjoy it to the fullest.

            JAC

            • Buck The Wala says:

              Definitely agree – doubtful this will be much of a change, but only time will tell.

              I’ll be having a drink for you as well.

              Best,
              Buck

  4. USWeapon Topic #4

    13 Republican Attorney Generals Threaten Lawsuit Over Health Care

    Republican attorneys general in 13 states say congressional leaders must remove Nebraska’s political deal from the federal health care reform bill or face legal action, according to a letter provided to The Associated Press Wednesday.

    “We believe this provision is constitutionally flawed,” South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster and the 12 other attorneys general wrote in the letter to be sent Wednesday night to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

    “As chief legal officers of our states we are contemplating a legal challenge to this provision and we ask you to take action to render this challenge unnecessary by striking that provision,” they wrote.

    In a rare Christmas Eve vote, Senate Democrats pushed sweeping health care legislation to the brink of Senate passage, crushing a year-end Republican filibuster against President Barack Obama’s call to remake the nation’s health care system. The 60-39 vote marked the third time in as many days Democrats posted a supermajority needed to advance the legislation.

    The letter was signed by top prosecutors in Alabama, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Michigan, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Washington state. All are Republicans, and McMaster and the attorneys general of Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania are running for governor in their respective states.

    Read the rest of the article from Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/30/republican-attorney-generals-threaten-lawsuit-health-care/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fpolitics+%2528Text+-+Politics%2529&utm_content=Google+International

    So here we go. From what I have read in this health care debacle so far, this will be far from the first thing that is going to be challenged as either illegal or unConstitutional . In this case, the GOP folks are going after the sweetheart deal that Ben Nelson in Nebraska got. Having the other 49 states pay for Nebraska’s Medicare for eternity isn’t right by anyone’s standards (except of course, Congress’ standards). I would hope that the Supreme Court would agree. But I don’t hold out faith that they will actually do the right thing.

    But as I said, I think that this is just the beginning of the challenges that are going to come from the health care bill. Once they begin, I expect them to pick up steam. It may take a while, as the person making the claim must have vested interest, which means there will be far more lawsuits possible once the health reform actually kicks in. For now we will see the constitutional challenges.

    But let me say now, that I believe that if this challenge in successful, it will spawn a new era of challenges to the insane legislation that this Congress has passed into law. The opposition will realize that this may be the only viable way to stand up to the crooks in DC. At least I hope so. The more lawsuits the better. There should have been a ton more filed because of the Patriot Act than there were, so we may see absolutely nothing from a public that seems to be conditioned to accept any plunder of their rights, so long as the government tells them it is all OK.

    Wake up America…. That 3:00 am phone call is finally beginning to ring.

    • The AG from Pennsylvania seems like he has no competition right now.

    • Was disappointed that WI’s AG hasn’t signed on and will be contacting his office to find out why. Our state is not in great financial shape and we cannot afford any part of the healthcare “reform”. Putting a halt to it in any way possible is necessary.

    • The governor of Texas is also running for re-election. I agree…this is just the beginning of the challenges.

  5. Posting for comments. Snowing again, yea!?!

  6. Bottom Line says:

    Good Morning everyone.

    Here’s wishing you all a happy new year.

  7. Wishing everyone here at SUFA a healthy and safe New Year’s! I have a lot of concerns with the upcoming year and and thankful to everyone that posts here for ideas, tips and views on how we can personally prepare for what may be coming down.

    See you all next year!

  8. Happy New Year to all…..and I am staying on on “amateur night”. Those of us who are professional drinkers know enough to stay off the roads from the neophytes that drink once a year. 🙂

    Have a safe one this evening, everyone. You too, BF, who would I argue semantics with if you disappeared.

  9. USW 1/1/10 @1 pm EST ABC. Go Lions.

  10. I find it neither surprising nor comforting that these two lists have nothing in common other then the year.

    CNN- Vote for the key stories of the year
    http://www.cnn.com/US/2009.year.in.review/index.html

    Fox News – big stories msm missed
    http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/politics/2009/12/31/big-stories-mainstream-media-missed

  11. So, after three futile attempts to contact my Senator to give him my opinion on the current medical legislation and three generic responses which only reiterate where he stands on the issue but not any sort of explanation of his reasoning as to WHY his opinion is better than my own I have sent a final repose to him regarding this issue. It will probably be deleted by a secretary before ever reaching his email in-box. But at least I feel a little better for having written it.

    Here it is… any opinions?
    ******
    Dear Senator Sherrod Brown.

    I understand that you are trying to do what you think is best for this country and my state of Ohio. In the politest terms possible I will say that I believe your opinion as to what is best for myself, my family and my state is in complete error. If you truly want to make health care services more affordable for the common person you will put a cap on lawsuits so that my health care providers can pay lower premiums to their malpractice insurance and possibly even lower the cost of the six to ten year education that is required to obtain a license to practice medicine. Instead it seems that you and your companions in Washington have turned your attention to maligning the insurance companies and creating in them a scapegoat that you can blame all the evils of the industry on.

    It seems that my representation in you is going unheard as you don’t understand that I want NO PART of any of this legislation. I did not vote for you in the first place so I will have to resign myself to whatever damage you do you my country in the mean time while I wait patiently for the very first opportunity to vote you out of power and hopefully get a representative to replace you whose views are more in line with my own. I would honestly prefer for you and your companions to spend a year working to get rid of the obsolete and convoluted laws that already exist in our legislature than create another new law. Our country was founded on the right to life freedom and the pursuit of happiness. Every time you create a new law you are infringing on someone’s freedom. The freedom of a store owner to be able to choose to allow or disallow smoking in their own establishment that they created by their own tenacity and determination, the right of an individual to decide to own a gun to protect their family from any who might unlawfully enter their home and try to take from them what they have earned with their own sweat and tears. The right of a person to marry whomever they find happiness with regardless of race religion or gender.

    If you want laws here are my three

    Thou shalt not kill
    Thou shalt not take from another what they have earned with honest labor.
    Thou shalt not decide for another what will bring them happiness.

    I wish you luck, long life, and a short term as my representative.

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      Hi Beth

      I like that letter, sounds good to me. Can I borrow that and send it to my wonderful senator Harry Reid? I wouldn’t change a thing except put his name on it.

      Hope you’re doing good on this last day of the year.

    • Beth,

      Well said. I have sent several letters to both my senators and my Rep. as well. The most important thing we can all do is stay engaged.

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        I’ve sent a few myself, and haven’t heard diddley squat from any. Probably won’t either.

        • I hear from them, but it resembles squat. If you hear about a protester getting arrested, you know I went to one of her meetings.

          Dear Fellow Arkansan,

          Happy New Year! I hope your family has had a happy and blessed holiday season.

          Next week, January 4-8, 2010, I will travel across the state for a series of economic development meetings and civic events in Searcy, McCrory, Augusta, Little Rock, Stuttgart, Sheridan, El Dorado, Conway, and Gillett.

          Meeting with my fellow Arkansans is the best part of my job, and I look forward to hearing your comments and concerns. As I travel the state, I want Arkansans to know that rebuilding our nation’s economy and putting 100,000 jobless Arkansans back to work remains my top priority.

          The following is a list of my schedule of events for January 4-8, 2010:

          Monday, January 4—Searcy, McCrory, Augusta

          1:00 p.m. Tour of Bryce Corporation plant. 500 Benton Avenue, Searcy.

          4:00 p.m. Meeting with Mad Butcher employees. 901 N Edmonds Avenue, McCrory.

          6:30 p.m. Keynote speaker, Celebrate Augusta dinner. White River Rural Health Center Augusta Wellness Center, 906 N. 4th Street in Augusta.

          Tuesday, January 5—Little Rock, Stuttgart

          11:45 a.m. Keynote speaker, Downtown Kiwanis Club of Little Rock. The Little Rock Club, Regions Bank building, 30th Floor, 400 W. Capitol, Suite 2435.

          6:30 p.m. Keynote speaker, 70th Annual Stuttgart Chamber of Commerce Dinner. Occasions, 2114 South Main Street, Stuttgart.

          Wednesday, January 6—Sheridan, El Dorado

          9:00 a.m. Keynote speaker, Sheridan High School Assembly. Sheridan High School, 700 West Vine Street.

          2:30 p.m. Meeting with poultry growers. South Arkansas Community College, Library, El Dorado.

          Thursday, January 7—Little Rock, Conway

          12:00 p.m. Keynote speaker, Annual Quality Asphalt Paving Conference. Holiday Inn- Airport, 3201 Bankhead Drive, Little Rock.

          4:00 p.m. Press availability following tour Conway Hewlett-Packard facility. Meadows Technology Park, Conway.

          Friday, January 8—Gillett

          7:00 p.m. Annual Coon Supper in Gillett. Gillett High School cafeteria.

          With Arkansas Pride,

          Blanch Lincoln

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Hi LOI

            The only time I really hear from any of them, is something they think they’re doing for Nevada, just the same ol blah, blah, blah, blah. And that’s through Email.

            They then sign their name with a note at the bottom with their Email address, and how they look forward to hearing from me again. Not very encouraging if you ask me.

            Hope you’re doing well today.

    • Beth:

      I like the letter. If it makes you feel better, then send the letter. I think you already know that it will not do any good. If a staff representative reads it, he/she will just issue a standard response.

      There is no representation. Once elected, they can and will do whatever they want and there is nothing we can do about it. We can elect them out of office but they have complete authority to do whatever they want until the next election.

  12. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/12/30/chuck-todd-ingraham-show-napolitano-would-step-down-when-obama-named-her

    Chuck Todd on Ingraham Show (Dec. 13th): Napolitano Would Step Down — When Obama Named Her to the Supreme Court

    By Tim Graham
    December 30, 2009 – 11:25 ET

    NBC White House correspondent Chuck Todd surprised Laura Ingraham on her radio show December 14 when she asked him which Cabinet official would leave next. He said it could be Tim Geithner, or it could be Janet Napolitano — so she can take the next vacancy on the Supreme Court!

    That idea might have fizzled in the last few days, although Todd insisted Obama’s “a big fan of hers.” Here’s how the conversation unfolded:

    TODD: The other one I would bet on is Janet Napolitano –

    INGRAHAM (with sarcasm): She’s been effective.

    TODD: And not a negative. On a – at the next Supreme Court opening, I betcha she gets the call.

    INGRAHAM: (Pause, then a low voice) Oh wait a sec. I just lost my breath. What did you say?

    TODD: Sorry. I know. Sorry. I’m just sayin’ —

    INGRAHAM: Janet Napolitano?

    TODD: You asked me to bet. You asked me to bet. I would say this. She’ll get the next opening.

    INGRAHAM (amazed): Why?

    TODD: Personally, he likes her probably more than any other cabinet secretary outside of [Robert] Gates on a personal comfort zone. She almost got it the last time.

  13. The Greatest Near-Monologue in the History of the Movies: Ned Beatty Articulates Half of the New World Order’s Worldview

    Setting up this scene, Beale spoke out against the system, his ratings soared. He then challenged a deal in which Arabs were going to buy the holding company of the network that broadcast him. He told Americans to write to Congress and stop it, which they did. This killed the deal.

    The head of the holding company then pays Beale a visit.

    He articulates the worldview of the New World Order. He presents only the corporate side. There is, of course, the bureaucratic side of the NWO’s worldview: not political, but technical.

    Paddy Chayefsky won the Oscar for best original screenplay.

    Beatty was on-screen in the movie for a little over five minutes.

    He was nominated for best supporting actor. He lost.

    Beatrice Straight was on-screen for under six minutes, and won best supporting actress — the shortest performance ever to win the Oscar.

    Man, Chayevsky could write!

  14. Birdman,

    Great post. I echo your comments without any addition or change.

    D13,

    First, anything that involves the people of the United States on a domestic scale should never be held secret.

    Yet, it is.

    You preach “reality”. You slammed into one right there.

    So, if your understanding of YOUR government which exercises actions that are directly contradictory to your own thoughtful position – yet you continue to support the government – what does that say?

    Second, there is a need to know priority out there that needs to be adhered to.

    Why? As Birdman made eloquently asked:

    What makes you (or any other) more ‘right’ or ‘special’ to know over me?

    I mean no disrespect to you BF but from reading and typing back and forth with you, I would not feel comfortable with you having State secrets

    None taken.

    In past lives, I held “Secret” level security clearance – not that I actually saw anything secret – but had to work in a room where such stuff was ‘lying around’ in the open.

    Thus, I fell into the same protocol as those that actually read the stuff.

    ….perhaps I do not know you well enough…but from what I have surmised from your writings, your dislike of this country is stark

    This statement can only come from a man who confuses government with country.

    It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government.
    Thomas Paine

    …at least to me it is…and I have no doubt in my mind that you would reveal such if you thought it politically advantageous.

    As a man who is as anti-political as I, that is a very strange statement to apply to me.

    This is where you and I differ. I possess secrets that I particularly do not like…in fact, abhor. But they will remain secrets. It matters not that these secrets, some of them, violate my own principles…they are, in fact, secrets and I would violate my own integrity by giving them up.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but, I’m not, of course….

    Aren’t you part of the group that states that no “conspiracy” is possible because too many people would know about it and ‘tell the world’?

    Yet, right here – you admit that you yourself hold precisely such conspiracies – those that violate the core principle of your own life – and refuse categorically to reveal them because of some perverse sense of loyalty or duty to an entity of evil.

    In black and white, and in your very own words –

    …you fully demonstrated the power and the ability of government to act willfully in such conspiracies against its own citizens without fear of exposure.

    There is no justification for revealing same.

    That, sir, is exactly how such False Flag actions of governments happen upon the citizens of a nation.

    It wholly depends on people like you.

    Third, there are plenty of covert issues out there that if the public knew the full story, they, and you, would be so incensed that you would clamor for heads in violation of your own principles of non intervention.

    Violate my principles? No chance. Been there, done that, and heat-tested.

    Whereas you decided differently regarding your conflict with principles, I chose differently.

    As revealed in past posts, I lost everything I had because of that adherence. Wiped out. Zero’d.

    With that baptism of fire, I stand completely confident that my principles are immutable creators of my actions.

    But, demand accountability for acts of evil, – for sure I would call and do call for such.

    There are plenty of issues that make me so mad that I could chew bullets and spit out the projectiles…..but they are secrets and the public does not have a NEED to know.

    “But conspiracy theories cannot exist because people would expose such secrets….”

    The People NEED to know, if the government is keeping it secret from them.

    Our government has covered up plenty and taken the blame for a lot when the blame could easily be proven and put elsewhere but because we do not wish to offend, then it is not done.

    If one chooses lies over truth because one fears offending evil – one is evil.

    Fourth, which is a repeat for the most part. Things that are 100 years old, I could care less about. Things that are 50 years old, will not change anything….except perception. Yourself would be in awe of some of the things that have gone on in your precious protectorate of Iran…things that are going on now and have gone on. With the Shah and afterwards.

    I am not easily surprised. To explain why, I will speak in an analogy of Physics.

    Inside a proton, in the incredibly small space between the quarks that make up a proton, which is 100% is empty space. This space is the purest, emptiest space in the universe – it is the definition of “nothing”.

    And, it accounts for 90% of the mass of the proton.

    Yes, absolutely nothing accounts for 90% of the mass of a proton.

    Since you are made of protons, when you weigh yourself, 90% of your mass is a consequence of nothing. Look at yourself in a mirror. 90% that makes up you is nothing. Think about that for awhile after a few beer.

    But how is that possible?

    Quantum mechanics tells us that within empty space, devoid of all energy and matter, virtual particles appear and disappear faster than anything in the universe can measure them.

    So how do we know they exist, if we cannot see them, or measure them?

    Because of their influence on the rest of the matter around them.

    In fact, their existence can be calculated to a precision of 8 decimal places – one of the most exact measurements in our physical world.

    So, we can measure nothing and its mass more accurately then nearly anything else.

    So, taking that analogy into our conversation.

    Because you believe I do not know “top secert” and “covert” things – which I probably do not – I know nothing of these things – you fail to understand that doesn’t matter at all.

    I know and can calculate very well their consequences and their influences of things around them.

    I am a very smart man.

    I do not need to directly see the “thing” that influences the world to figure out -based on such influences and its consequences on the people, events and outcomes around it- what this thing itself, is.

    Finally…I never said that the United States is blameless in some things. To say such would be folly. To lay it all at the feet of the United States as some of you do…is also fools folly. In as much as you want to bring the US down…you want to also protect the ones that are worse.

    The ol’ Goverment=USA Argument.

    Re-read Thomas Paine, D13.

    So, the public has a right to know…..but not always the NEED to know and there is a balance. Personally, I would love for ALL of the atrocities of Vietnam to come out. The atrocities committed by the US in Vietnam pale significantly when compared to the atrocities by China and the former Soviet Union and North Korea in Vietnam. If the truth were known today, the backlash against those countries would be worse than anything that you see against the Muslim community today and the Vietnam war was 40 years ago. So, I think it is better to keep it away….for now.

    When men aid evil to hide such things of evil ensures that such evil continues to grow.

    • Very interesting, BF….but exactly how I expected you to answer. you have your opinion…I have mine. Freedom of choice..so far. Therein lies our differences…and thank you for not taking me as a personal attack…it certainly was not intended that way. I disagree with your philosophy in some areas and I am sorry that you were zeroed out.

      I am very widely read, sir, and that includes Thomas Paine. I do not claim to know the answers but, like you, I have my beliefs and entitled to them. You feel that yours are correct..I feel that mine are correct. You will justify yours…I will justify mine. At least we can still do that…so far. I will fight to my last breath our right to continue to redress grievances and have the freedom to write and disagree. It is healthy….and it is demanded.

      • I am sorry that you were zeroed out.

        I appreciate the comment, however, I am not sorry – like all lessons, some are hard – but if one is willing to learn from them, they are all valuable.

        The question is not about knowing answers.

        The question is about truth.

        When men hid truth, evil grows. Justifying hiding truth as some sort of “higher good”, typically surrounded with comments of duty, loyalty, oath, etc. is an lie bent in on itself. Pretending ‘good thing’ come from lies is a fallacy.

        You said to Birman that there exists ‘process’ to root out illegal government actions. I had to laugh. I couldn’t believe that you actually believe that.

        Government’s only process to root out its illegal and evil actions is exposure – bear the action in the light of day for all to see.

        Yet, your post highlights your actions to hide such exposure – indeed, you agree that such hiding is ‘necessary’.

        So, when you said “there are process” – it was so interesting to see how bent and twisted the ideology of government action has become.

        • I understand the anarchist line….completely. The process is there..and they do work…for the most part. They usually are not publicized but I have seen them work…and much to the chagrin of officers who have been passed over, such as I, because I availed myself of the process. There are numerous like me that stand up…even if career is hurt and mine was….on the 0-7 list three times (Brig General) passed over three times because of political convictions and candor. But I worked within the system and had results and stopped many things.

          No one that does this crows about it much or stands on the street corner yelling the world is coming to an end. We simply do it and go on.

          I am glad that I can make you laugh tho….laughter is great medicine.

  15. Judy Sabatini says:
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    Before everyone here goes out for the night on the town, I just want to wish each and every one of you a very, very Happy New year, and I hope and pray, that the incoming year will be a whole lot better than this one going out. Yea, I know, don’t count on it, right.

    I truly love you all from the bottom of my heart, and to say, that you all here are the best group of friends anyone can have anywhere, and I mean every word.

    Always and Forever

    Judy

    • Not going anywhere tonight. We may call our daughter at 11:02 pm to wish her a properly timed happy birthday. Everybody felt sorry for us because we had the last baby of the year and not the first baby of the year, but I got a whole years worth of tax deduction. Plus I did not have to wait a year to meet her. Our youngest also has a party on his birthday since he was born the same day as the rededication of the Statue of Liberty.

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Hi T-Ray

        We’re not going anywhere either, since hubby has to get early and catch a flight out of here at 6a.m. bound for Hawaii.

        Calling your daughter at 11:02, reminds me of City Slickers when Mitch’s mom calls him at 5:30 am to say happy birthday to him.

        Our oldest was born in August of 82, and our youngest was born on November of 85, but both were early, but well worth it.

        By the way, how’s the weather your way? We haven’t had any snow now for a couple days, but it’s cloudy and gloomy, sun trying to peek out through the clouds. We’re suppose to get more snow and or rain in the coming days. Don’t know about you, but I’m sick of the cold weather.

        Have a good one T

        • Sunny today, but rain is coming they say. Been damp, foggy, rainy on and off for the last week. I was out splitting and dragging wood onto the deck before it gets wetter. I was just thinking while doing it, I hope El Dorado Co. does not adopt the same no burn rules that Sacramento Co. has. Else I will be forced to violet some law sometime to get rid of all the wood. When we moved in 17 years ago, I bought 2 cords of wood. None since. All of it has been dead and down on my property. I have even given some away. Once I get all that is down from the snow storm cut and stacked, I will have more wood for next year than I had this. So I either burn it slowly in the stove during the winter or burn it fast in a pile to make things safe for fire season. If I burn it fast then I still have to burn propane for heat.

          Have a sane, safe and joyous night.

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Hey T

            We have up here burn codes, not sure if you’ve heard of it. Green is okay to burn, yellow means cut back, and red is no burning at all, because of the air quality. If you get caught burning during a red flag, you get a warning, but if you get caught again, you’re looking at a $500 fine.

            The air up here was so bad a while back, there was a red flag warning for about a week. With the sanding of roads, and cars kicking it up, people burning their stoves or fireplaces, it just got so think, it looked like L.A. That’s how bad it got.

            We don’t use our fireplace, kicks back the smoke too bad, and can’t afford to have a chimney sweep come clean it, so, we just use our heater and pay through the nose for gas usage, being as to how we have a gas furnace.

            I’ll definitely have a sane, safe a joyous night, not staying up, going to bed my usual time. Why stay up, the new year will still be here in the morning.

            You have a great night too.

            Take care T.

    • Judy,

      Will have a normal evening at home, cartoons until kids bedtime. Have not stayed up til midnight in years. I too value the friends found here, and wish all a Happy New Year.

      A little mood music,

  19. Happy New Year to all!

    In reflection, 2009 has been both horrible and fantastic. I have many new friends here that I didn’t have in 2008, I have learned so much that I can hardly keep it all stored in the head 🙂 , and I enjoy everyones company and opinions that come with everyone here. It’s a diverse a group of people that I have ever had the priviledge of associating with.

    With that said, I want to share one of my fondest, and to me funniest memories, of coming here. It was early in the year, and I was simply reading all the posts each day, and I came across a post by some guy named Black Flag, I read it, scratched my head, read it again, scratched my head and flapped my lips up and down a bit, and asked myself “what the hell is he trying to say?” Too make a long story short, somewhere along the journey here something happened, I actually understood what Black Flag wrote one day. I was amazed that somehow I actually figured out his language, what every he was writing in, either changed, or I figured it out. So I was happy, then learned that he had to change something, because I spent a year in Central America and can’t say the word poop in Spanish. Here I thought I got smarter, only to learn that Mr. Flag decided to write in the terms that I can understand. Thanks Flag, it helps to understand what you are trying to say, but that first post I read was a doozy.

    CHEERS TO ALL! 🙂

    G!

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      Cheers back at ya G. I hope everything you do and strive for will come true for you.

      The best to you and yours.

      Judy

  20. Kinda interesting, is Britain the example of what is to come to the US?

    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4245

    The UK, 2009 Rundown: A Year of Fire and Ice
    From the desk of A. Millar on Wed, 2009-12-30 10:25

    What is the future of the Western democracy? A look at Britain over the last 12 months seems to provide some clues. In one way or another Islamism was a constant theme, although party politics were volatile by almost any standards. Having long ignored the will of the people in every area – from law and order to immigration – and demonizing those brave enough to raise uncomfortable, though important issues, the political class began to feel the heat of the nation’s boiling anger. Pressure from the top had kept a lid on things, but in 2009 politics began to spill onto the streets, with “anti-Islamization” protests emerging up and down the country. The response was to give more money to tackling the “far-Right.” However, most of the protestors appear to have been ordinary citizens.

    Anti-Israel protests have been held over the last few years, but exploded across Britain in January. In September a London march in support of terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah attracted a few thousand; it did not, however, attract any condemnation from the political class or mainstream media.

  21. When you step on a snake it will twist around to bite you. Our Govt. should have been ready for these kind of terrorist when we ‘declared war’ on them. But, a large organism (fed. govt. or corporation) cannot respond to ’emergencies’.

    Finally, someone just wrote a great, underground book on a small town in America that does stand up to federal tyranny & corrupt politicians & ends up starting the 2nd American Revolution. It’s a powerful read cause it shows history asking us to fulfill our legacy and destiny again to save this country.

    I strongly recommend it to everyone who wants to see what’s coming in 2010.
    http://www.booksbyoliver.com

    • Cabot,

      Looks interesting, I will give it a read. I played at Greystone once, may have set a record for # of balls lost.
      You make the third Arkie posting here, hope you will weigh in more and we can change the perception the rest of the country seems to have about us (you do wear shoes when you go outside?)

      Sunny, 31 degrees, wife and kids have cabin fever, and are not football fans. May do some visiting today.
      Happy New Year.

  22. Tonight, appropriately, is “Revenge of the Sith” night – the birth of the Empire —-

    Best of the next decade to all!

  23. Too bad about District 9, I am pretty excited about it. Amazon delivered it today, hope to watch it tomorrow!

  24. I’m spending the remaining time tonight with my family, as my daughter returns to her school tomorrow.

    But I did want to wish you all a very very very Happy New Year.

    May you all be blessed with good fortune, humor and great courage in the coming year.

    I raise my glass to you all………….Here’s to the journey behind and the path ahead. To your desire for knowledge and your desire for action. And most of all, may you all live to be free.

    Good night and see you next year.
    JAC

  25. Bottom Line says:

    !!!!HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

    • Way to go B.L., you nailed it on the money.

      How long you been practicing to get the timing perfect?

      Happy New Year to you as well my friend.

      Get to bed and rest.

      Today we eat and drink, tomorrow its football, and the next day its time for Revolution.

      Best to you and the family.
      JAC

      • Bottom Line says:

        It was by sheer accident.

        I posted above to Weapon(@11:59),

        …heard the TV and folks getting active,

        …looked down and saw the time.

        It worked out. Cool.

        JAC – “Today we eat and drink, tomorrow its football, and the next day its time for Revolution.”

        Hell Yeah! Sounds like ValHalla.

        Best to you and yours as well, JAC.

  26. !!!!!!!!!!!! RISE AND SHINE EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. Judy Sabatini says:

    Good Morning and Happy New Year to all. Hope the first day of the new year brings good tidings to all and not many of you are suffering from too much partying last night. I know I’m not, went to bed at 10:30 last night.

    I too have been up since 4:45 this morning to say my good-byes to hubby who is on his way to warm sunny Hawaii for a week. Hope he will enjoy himself.

    Have a good day and hope to see some of you here later.

    Judy

  28. Black Flag:

    We all await your economic and other predictions for 2010. Take a few hours and give us your predictions along with any advice that you may have.

    Thank you,
    Birdman

    • The best prediction I have is:

      “Last year was bad and, from now on, its only going to get worse”

      There is no ending of government intervention in people’s lives, no shrinking of government expenditures, expansion of government war.

      Forget about anything federal – I wouldn’t even bother reading or listening to any MSM at all.

      Focus locally.

      Build influence locally; join community groups or leagues. Get to know your neighbors. Starting taking local responsibility for things in your life and the community.

      Money and authority flows to those that take responsibility.

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Hey Flag

        Happy New Year to you.

        That’s a very gloomy outlook for the new year, but sounds predictable and it will probably get worse, but sure hope it gets better. It has to at some point, don’t you think.

        Hope you’re doing well on this first day of the new year.

        • There once was a father who lived close to the frontier with his son. One of his horses accidentally strayed into the lands of the Xiongnu, so everyone consoled him.

          But the father said, “Why should I conclude that this is not fortunate?”

          After several months, the horse came back from the land of the Xiongnu, accompanied by another stallion, so everyone congratulated him.

          But the father said, “Why should I hastily conclude that this can not be unfortunate?”

          His family had a wealth of fine horses, and his son loved riding them. One day the son fell off a horse, and broke his leg, so everyone consoled the father.

          But the father said, “Why should I hastily conclude that this is not fortunate?”

          One year later, the Xiongnu invaded the frontier, and all able-bodied men took up arms and went to war.

          Of the men from the frontier who volunteered, nine out of ten men perished from the fighting.

          It was only because of the son’s broken leg, that the father and son were spared this tragedy.

          Therefore misfortune begets fortune, and fortune begets misfortune. This goes on without end, and its depths can not be measured.

  29. Judy Sabatini says:

    Black Flag, the Nostradamus of SUFA.

  30. Bottom Line says:

  31. v. Holland says:

    Just a little reminder of what we are up against-Guess they haven’t thought up a replacement word for socialism, yet.

    • A Puritan Descendant says:

      That says it all! Or maybe she would be happy just being chairman of the board for the whole oil industry.

    • This video should be sent via e-mail to everybody that can get it in America. What is the line that they will finally cross to trigger the revolution, because it is coming, I feel it will be bloody, but pray that it won’t.

      Happy New Year to all!

      G!

  32. Judy Sabatini says:

    Looks to me that they’re already taking over everything. I heard and saw this a while back, and you can’t tell me that was a slip of the tongue, I think she meant to let it slip out.

  33. Happy New Year to all…sorry I was so late in writing it this afternoon,….last night was interesting. Just woke up…..lol

  34. Judy Sabatini says:

    Why am I not surprised.

    Gee whiz … more money for GMAC
    Jim Brown – OneNewsNow – 12/31/2009 6:20:00

    GMAC with money background bigThe Obama administration plans to spend billions more taxpayer dollars to prop up the struggling automobile industry and take over yet another private company.

    The federal government announced yesterday it will take majority control of the auto financing company GMAC Financial Services and give it another $3.8 billion in federal bailout money. GMAC, which is instrumental to the operations of automakers General Motors and Chrysler, has already received $12.5 billion in taxpayer money and was 35 percent owned by the federal government.

    James Gattuso, a senior research fellow in regulatory policy at The Heritage Foundation, says although GMAC is an independent financial organization and is no longer affiliated with General Motors, it is fair to say the additional $3.8 billion bailout is yet another subsidy to the auto industry.

    James Gattuso (Heritage Foundation)”From what we know about what’s happening inside GMAC, they’ve run into a lot of trouble due to their residential loans, their housing loans,” he explains. “But the threat that the administration is worried about is the possibility that if they go under, loans for automobiles would become much harder to get.”

    The Obama administration had originally projected that Detroit-based GMAC would need an additional $6 billion to stabilize the company.

  35. v. Holland says:

    I’m not saying that some of these laws aren’t a good idea but almost 41,000-are you kidding me!

    “CNN) — Legislatures in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico met in 2009, leading to the enactment of 40,697 laws, many of which take effect January 1.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/01/new.laws/index.html

    • Good Morning V,

      Happy New Year!

      If you end up in court with the transfat police, remember, ignorance of the law is not a defense. You are responsible for
      knowing all laws in effect wherever you go.

      “for the land of the free,
      and the home of the brave”.

      • v. Holland says:

        Well, you have to admit, if they are gonna pass this many laws in just one year, they had to pass an ignorance of the law/Law, or we could all use the impossibility of knowing all the laws as a defense.

        Happy New Year to you!

      • v. Holland says:

        Maybe that’s the answer-we repeal that one law-and make them prove that we should have known about the law before they can charge us with a crime. 🙂

  36. BF….For the past two months, I have been reading and studying the mercantile system and your references as to how this has created a “bad” United States in reference to how we are perceived in this world. The definitions of mercantilism (an economic system (Europe in 18th century) to increase a nation’s wealth by government regulation of all of the nation’s commercial interests..albeit a non-market economy in which government intervention is important in allocating goods and resources and determining prices.) How mercantilism is a pariah and is the reason the world hates America is coming up a little shy unless you adopt the European version that started in the 14th and 15th Century (The mercantile system is an arrangement by which an imperial power strips raw materials and profits from a colony, providing manufactured goods for sale in return. Thus, a system of dependency and exploitation is developed, fueling globalization through industrialization.) Interesting study, tho. I am still reading and studying and have an appointment next week with a “so Called” expert in the mercantile system from the University of Texas. He has a PHD in Economics and international trade…an economist that roots himself in the philosophy and I have several questions to pose to him and get his views. He is really far out there but reminds me of your viewpoints. But, until I learn more about this, I have been silent and will remain so until I am better informed. Since you are so anti United States, I wanted to see what this particular subject was about and how a mercantile system causes enemies.

    Coming further into the 21st century, I have seen the use of the term mercantilism applied to diplomacy and called diplomatic mercantilism, This, of course, is a farce. The best definition of mercantilism that I have found so far is that mercantilism is an economic theory that holds that the prosperity of a nation depends upon its supply of capital, and that the global volume of trade is “unchangeable.” Capital, represented by bullion (gold or silver) held by the state, is best increased through a positive balance of trade with other nations (exports over imports). Mercantilism suggests that the ruling government should advance these goals by playing a protectionist role in the economy, by encouraging exports and discouraging imports, especially through the use of tariffs. The economic policy based upon these ideas is often called the mercantile system.

    Now, since the revolution in Iran ( overthrowing the Shah ) and the fundamentalist took over and the clerics call the turn, there is a “universal suffrage” type of President that supposedly represents the people….at the behest of the clerics. It is a theocracy…pure.

    Now, the intent of mercantilism is the exploitation of a country’s resources to the benefit of the “imperial power”. ( I find the term imperial power to be a misuse ). I interpret this to mean that the US has exploited Iran and continues to exploit Iran through mercantilist policy…..if you wish to take that policy back to the Shah and prior…then blame Europe and not the United States. Europe was the original founder of the theory of Mercantilism. However, extrapolating further, the United States, under the “axis of evil’ monger George Bush…and in violation of various sanctions…increased trade with Iran….ten fold. Wait!!!!! Some will say…increased trade????? How could George Bush increase trade? He hates Iran…but he increased trade goods that even included some weapons. (Top U.S. exports to Iran over Bush’s years in office include corn, $68 million; chemical wood pulp, soda or sulfate, $64 million; soybeans, $43 million; medical equipment, $27 million; vitamins, $18 million; bull semen, $12.6 million; and vegetable seeds, $12 million, according to the AP’s analysis of government trade data compiled by the World Institute for Strategic Economic Research. The value of cigarettes sold to Iran was more than twice that of the No. 2 category on the export list, vaccines, serums and blood products, $73 million.) Hardly an exploitation. As a matter of record, the Bush administration’s trade balance with Iran was in IRAN’s favor and not the US…to mean that the United States imported more than it exported.

    Now, since the US is not exploiting Iran’s precious metals and establishing corporations to “rob” the populace, it is interesting to note that during the Bush administration, US exports totaled more than imports by 719.1 million dollars. (SOURCE: U.S. Census Bureau, Foreign Trade Division, Data Dissemination Branch, Washington, D.C. 20233). During the Clinton years, the United States had a trade surplus…more imports than exports, and during Bush I, the United States exported more than it imported. Since the democratic takeover in 2006, the trade imbalance has reversed itself to be that Iran is exporting more than they are importing. Hardly a Bush administration issue, now..isn’t it? However, even with the trade imbalance, we are still not exploiting the Iranians nor their precious resources…except for energy related items that is CONTROLLED by the regime.

    Now, Europe is the key to any meaningful behavior-modifying sanctions on Iran…. NOT the US. The continued focus on Russia and China’s intransigence is allowing Europe to stay under the radar. Iran has been under three Security Council sanctions in the past decade, while the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has prospered and the plight of the average Iranian has deteriorated. The IRGC, which in 2007 was designated by the U.S. Congress (DEMOCRATIC) as a terrorist organization, planned and instigated a coup during the recent Iranian elections and bear responsibility for the murder, rape, and oppression of the Iranian people. ( This was not a Bush Policy ).

    According to Mohsen Sazegara, one of the co-founders of the IRGC and current researcher and democracy activist residing in the U.S., the IRGC controls the fundamentals of Iran’s economy, with over 800 companies involved in shipping and ship-building, banking, energy, chemicals, heavy construction and machinery, electricity, transport equipment, and import of tear gas for oppressing mass demonstrations. The IRCG’s most recent foray into Iran’s business activities was the purchase of a 51% share in the Iranian Telecommunications Company for $8 billion, effectively gaining control of all Iranian communications with the outside world. THINK ABOUT THIS. WHERE IS THE COMPLICIT ARRANGEMENT WITH THE US?

    Further consider…Who is Iran’s main business partner? In 2008 the EU was—in its own words—the “first trade partner of Iran,” with imports and exports totalling €25.4 billion ($36.4 billion) followed by China, Japan, and South Korea. The €14.1 billion in European exports to Iran last year, up 1.5% from 2007, included mainly machinery and transport equipment, manufactured goods, chemicals and even dual-use telecommunications equipment responsible for tracking and imprisoning protesters. Of the €11.3 billion in European imports from Iran, 90% is energy-related. Germany, France and Italy top the list, the former two also members of the team involved in nuclear negotiations with Iran. What is this????? EUROPE? Not the US.

    The people of Iran have now spoken loud and clear about their democratic aspirations. The EU, however, continues to pursue its economic interests, save for a range of toothless feel-good statements. As recently as October, the National Iranian Oil Company announced that “negotiations [on the South Pars Gas field] with Shell and Repsol [Spanish firm] in recent weeks have gone in the desired direction and efforts are being made to take action as quickly as possible given the mutual interests in this field.” France’s Total has also resumed discussions with the Iranian government on another phase of the South Pars Gas field. Europe NEEDS Iran….not the US.

    The Europeans and the Obama Administration should finally recognize that their interest in deterring a nuclear Iran coincides with the Iranian people’s democratic aspirations. The perpetrator in common is the IRGC. The IRGC is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s and the Iranian government’s power base, and European trade is enhancing the growth of IRGC’s web of companies. Flush with cash, the IRGC has taken over the development of the country’s nuclear program, support for insurgencies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Gaza and Lebanon, as well as systematic oppression of the Iranian people. Mr. Sazegara indicates that the Iranian government spent $15 million just to assemble demonstrators on the 30th anniversary of the U.S. hostage crisis.

    The prevailing wisdom is that Europe needs Iran for its energy needs and is unable to cut off trade in a recessionary environment. The German-Iranian Chamber of Commerce has been quoted as saying that sanctions on Iran could result in the loss of 10,000 German jobs. Iran ranks as EU’s fifth supplier of crude oil after Russia, Norway, Libya, and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has already stood up to Iran by supporting Saad Hariri’s election in Lebanon at the expense of the Iran-supported Hezbollah. It was also the only Arab country to vote in favor of the recent U.N. Resolution blasting the human rights situation in Iran. Saudi Arabia can step in, as it has done at least once in the past, to fill the oil vacuum created by sanctioning the IRGC.

    The IRGC needs nuclear weapons technology to survive and firmly anchor its regional influence. To peacefully weaken the IRGC’s muscle, Europe has no choice but to act now and cut off their source of capital. If Europe waits too long, it will be faced with an irreversible regional conflict in the Middle East, further exacerbating the current economic crisis. Furthermore, the Iranian blogosphere is buzzing about firms trading with the IRGC, and Mr. Sazegara and his colleagues are compiling a list of companies for mass boycotts. Europe should note that Iranians won’t fast forget countries that thwart their march toward democracy and freedom.

    I do not see where the United States has been very instrumental at all….and to blame the United States for mercantilism and having an Army in Iraq…well, while a minor exacerbation with the Army…hardly the problem. The IRGC is THE MAIN PROBLEM FOR EXPLOITATION OF THE IRANIA PEOPLE…not the US or its policies. No one controls the IRGC except the clerics. Iran WANTS a confrontation with Europe AND the United States. IT WANTS IT…and it needs it to maintain control.

    However, I will continue my research.

    • Murphy's Law says:

      Damn Colonel……great post…….to say you are well read is an understatement. But I especially like the way you clarify issues and bring out the truth.

      By the way, a belated happy New Year to you all! And I seem to recall that I said something before Christmas about cold here, but no snow……and I have been proven wrong twice since then. My first truly white Christmas…..it was amazing for the Dallas area. And I grew up in Houston, where I saw snow only twice.

    • D13:

      Very good post and research on your part.

      How are you doing your research?

      Are you able to gather most information over the internet or are you also reading books?

      • Actually, I do some research on the internet but I am very cautious with it because the internet information is not always reliable. The other part of my research is from statistical analysis as provided by the US State Department and the sources I referred to, part of it is from reading books, but again, each book is written with specific designs…I try to stick to statistics and not philosophy or hyperbole. Economists are like snow flakes and no two are alike….and, in this case, I have talked to a professor from TCU that teaches Pesian and european history and I will be talking to an economist next week…but again…I will hear his philosophy as he interprets things and has his agenda.

        Now, after I digest what I hope to be information from all sides and massage that with facts from trade and economic stats, I make my own decisions. I do not rely on Thomas Paine or Jefferson or others and automatically follow their beliefs but I do give them the respect they deserve. However, in the end, my observations are also my opinions…making me no different than any other person drawing their conclusions. it does not make me right…just my observations from data. In addition, I am old enough and chewed enough dirt in that part of the world and lived with and among Islamic Society and seen most sides of it…..I think that I can add just a little more to it. The problem is not the Iranian people per se but the Iranian Government and the theocracy. Any attempt to change it within will be met with violence and death. I believe that most of the Iranians wish to have peace and be left alone, but that will not be possible as long as theocracy exists in the form it is now. Iran is slowly dying economically and the median age of the population is very young and embracees a more moderate position….but the crux is, they will suffer because of the theocratic rule.

        My argument is that while the early days of mercantilism may have been misguided and employed…the United States did not invent it. After the fall of the shah, I have outlined the facts as I see them and the trade imbalances that ocurred contrary to our position. So, the theocracy of Iran now will grab onto anything as an excuse to maintain power and they will create a crises like Obama does now. Nuclear weaponry is a great crises and they are doing that now. They have just thumbed their nose at Russia, China, and the International Community and openly state now they want and will have a nuclear weapon in the near future. Then their theocracy will expand its power over that of the rest of the Arbian Peninsula and the Arab world…and Egypt and Syria and Saudi Arabia and Jordan are scared to death. I maintain it is not our presence in Iraq and the Persian Gulf Navy and not any pretense of mercantilism as it stands today. It we pulled out completely and stopped all trade….it would not make a difference. Europe actually has a greater problem than us.

  37. A Puritan Descendant says:

    The following in quotes is from an article on the American Thinker “Health Care and Our Inalinable rights”.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/health_care_and_our_inalienabl.html

    ***”While the Tenth Amendment protects states’ rights, the Ninth Amendment is geared more toward the individual’s natural rights not included in the Bill of Rights. The Ninth Amendmant of the Constitution states,

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Constitutional law expert Randy Barnett has written that the Ninth Amendment protects the natural rights that we have “prior to the formation of government.” Barnett views unenumerated rights in the context of “presumption of liberty.” This is a reasonable interpretation, as the Founders believed in the aforementioned natural rights. The Bill of Rights can’t possibly enumerate all individual rights “endowed by their Creator,” which is why the Founders included the Ninth Amendment.”***

    I myself find in the Declaration of Indepedence the following,

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    My personal thoughts >

    Requiring someone to purchase Insurance with money they may need or Want to use elsewhere, violates these unalienable rights.

    The health care insurance mandate is not constitutional based on the Ninth Amendment in combination with the Declaration of Independence.

    Can it really be that simple?

  38. Judy Sabatini says:

    Morning everyone

    A friend sent me this, thought I’d share. Sounds good to me, but we all know they’re immune to laws they set set up for everyone else.

    Amendment 28

    Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives,

    and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .

    —————————————————————————————————————–

    Please pass this along to as many people as you can and do it quickly! We want this one to spread across the nation this week! Thank you.

    • Bottom Line says:

      Hey Judy,

      Nice post.

      28th amendment, sweet.

      You would think that it would be unnecessary.

      What’s this country comming to?

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Hey BL

        Happy New Year to you.

        You would think it would be unnecessary, wouldn’t you. It just amazes me, they can make all these laws, but yet, they don’t have to follow them. Just like with the health care bill. Good enough for everybody else, but there again, they are immune to it.

        I always thought, what’s good for the goose, is good for the gander, guess not. Or, practice what you preach.

        What’s this country coming too? I think it’s coming to the end of the rope, and hopefully, all these senators, congressmen and women and representatives, will have just enough to hang themselves with, especially with the upcoming elections for them. I know one in particular is dangling with his election coming up. And that’s good ol Reid.

        Hope you’re doing well for a new year.

    • Judy,

      Got something similar.

      Congressional Reform Act of 2010

      1. Term Limits: 12 years only, one of the possible options below.

      A. Two Six year Senate terms
      B. Six Two year House terms
      C. One Six year Senate term and three Two Year House terms

      Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

      2. No Tenure / No Pension:

      A congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

      Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

      3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security:

      All funds in the Congressional retirement fund moves to the Social Security system immediately.

      All future funds flow into the Social Security system, Congress participates with the American people.

      Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, server your term(s), then go home and back to work.

      4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan just as all Americans.

      Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

      5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

      Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

      6. Congress looses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

      Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

      7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

      Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

      8. All contracts with past and present congressmen are void effective 1/1/2011.

      The American people did not make this contract with congressmen, congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.

      Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

  39. Judy Sabatini says:

    I just want to thank all of you for your educational e-mails over the past year. I am totally screwed up now and have little chance of recovery.

    I no longer open a public bathroom door without using a paper towel or have them put lemon slices in my ice water without worrying about the bacteria on the lemon peel.

    I can’t use the remote in a hotel room because I don’t know what the last person was doing while flipping through the adult movie channels.

    I can’t sit down on the hotel bedspread because I can only imagine what has happened on it since it was last washed.

    I have trouble shaking hands with someone who has been driving because the number one pastime while driving alone is picking ones nose (although cell phone usage may be taking the number one spot).

    Eating a little snack sends me on a guilt trip because I can only imagine how many gallons of Trans fats I have consumed over the years.

    I can’t touch any woman’s purse for fear she has placed it on the floor of a public bathroom.

    I MUST SEND MY SPECIAL THANKS to whoever sent me the one about poop in the glue on envelopes because I now have to use a wet sponge with every envelope that needs sealing.

    ALSO, now I have to scrub the top of every can I open for the same reason.

    I no longer have any savings because I gave it to a sick girl (Penny Brown) who is about to die in the hospital for the 1,387,258th time.

    I no longer have any money at all, but that will change once I receive the $15,000 that Bill Gates/Microsoft and AOL are sending me for participating in their special e-mail program.

    I no longer worry about my soul because I have 363,214 angels looking out for me, and St. Theresa’s Novena has granted my every wish.

    I no longer eat KFC because their chickens are actually horrible mutant freaks with no eyes or feathers.

    I no longer use cancer-causing deodorants even though I smell like a water buffalo on a hot day.

    THANKS TO YOU I have learned that my prayers only get answered if I forward an e-mail to seven of my friends and make a wish within five minutes.

    BECAUSE OF YOUR CONCERN, I no longer drink Coca Cola because it can remove toilet stains.

    I no longer can buy gasoline without taking someone along to watch the car so a serial killer won’t crawl in my back seat when I’m pumping gas.

    I no longer drink Pepsi or Dr. Pepper since the people who make these products are atheists who refuse to put ‘Under God’ on their cans.

    I no longer use Saran Wrap in the microwave because it causes cancer.

    AND THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW I can’t boil a cup of water in the microwave anymore because it will blow up in my face… Disfiguring me for life.

    I no longer check the coin return on pay phones because I could be pricked with a needle infected with AIDS.

    I no longer go to shopping malls because someone will drug me with a perfume sample and rob me.

    I no longer receive packages from UPS or Fed Ex since they are actually Al Qaeda in disguise.

    I no longer shop at Target since they are French and don’t support our American troops or the Salvation Army.

    I no longer answer the phone because someone will ask me to dial a number for which I will get a phone bill with calls to Jamaica , Uganda , Singapore , and Uzbekistan ..

    I no longer buy expensive cookies from Neiman Marcus since I now have their recipe.

    THANKS TO YOU I can’t use anyone’s toilet but mine because a big brown African spider is lurking under the seat to cause me instant death when it bites my butt.

    AND THANKS TO YOUR GREAT ADVICE I can’t ever pick up $5.00 dropped in the parking lot because it probably was placed there by a sex molester waiting underneath my car to grab my leg.

    I can no longer drive my car because I can’t buy gas from certain gas companies!

    I can’t do any gardening because I’m afraid I’ll get bitten by the brown recluse and my hand will fall off.

    If you don’t send this e-mail to at least 144,000 people in the next 70 minutes, a large dove with diarrhea will land on your head at 5:00 p.m. Tomorrow afternoon and the fleas from 12 camels will infest your back, causing you to grow a hairy hump. I know this will occur because it actually happened to a friend of my next door neighbor’s ex-mother-in-law’s second husband’s cousin’s beautician . . .

    Oh, by the way…..

    A German scientist from Argentina , after a lengthy study, has discovered that people with insufficient brain activity read their e-mail with their hand on the mouse.

    Don’t bother taking it off now, it’s too late.

    • ROFLMAO….hysterically……perhaps it is time to come to Texas….we drink our Dr Pepper because we don;t care about God on the cans….God created Texas…and we are already in heaven.

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Hi D13

        Glad you got a laugh out those. As for coming to Texas, well I don’t know about that. I don’t drink Dr. Pepper. Is that one of the requirements for going there? LOL! Had to ask.

        Hope you’re doing well Col.

  40. Judy Sabatini says:

    Obama’s new Attorney General, Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues.
    This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court’s accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms.

    Here’s what you need to do:

    First – vote on this one.

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    The Question is:
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    Click on the link below and PLEASE vote Yes!

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  41. D13,

    studying the mercantile system … has created a “bad” United States … The definitions of mercantilism.. to increase a nation’s wealth by government regulation of all of the nation’s commercial interests..albeit a non-market economy

    Further to your research, you will find that Adam Smith’s Earth-shaking treatise “Wealth of Nations” was a total refutation of Mercantilism as a means to increase wealth of a nation.

    It it that book that the first written articulation of the power of the Free Market – absent of government intervention – was described. “The Invisible Hand” of individual self-interest, free to chose his own economic goals, propelling forward the whole of society to prosperity.

    When one argues for government economic intervention – and, thus, Mercantilism – one must wholly ignore Adam Smith and his disciples – Menger, Mises, Hayek, etc. and the factual explosion of prosperity of the Western world that followed – best represented by England in the 1700 to 1800’s and America in the 1800’s to early 1900′ that the free market system (anti-mercantilism) provided.

    Nearly every case of economic reversal can be pointed to some government action – either economic or military.

    How mercantilism is a pariah ..The mercantile system is an arrangement by which an imperial power strips raw materials and profits from a colony…

    All materialistic behavior must require the extension of imperial power. It cannot survive without it.

    The command economy central to mercantilism is inefficient, and as such, once the whole extent of economic operation is fixed under a form of central planning, it begins to contract rapidly.

    There are only two ways to stop the economic contraction: end the mercantilism and embrace free market systems OR expand the extent of mercantilism.

    The latter action is almost a guarantee of a mercantile nation – that nation got to where it is in the world with mercantile behavior, and ‘a body in motion, remains in motion’ until, eventually, ‘the body is acted upon by an external force’ – either economic collapse or military defeat or both.

    Since you are so anti United States,

    This has already been pointed out to – so I am wondering why you persist in such a misrepresentation.

    I can no longer give you grace that this is merely an error. It, therefore, must be purposeful misrepresentation.

    Such a purposeful tactic of misrepresentation is disrespectful.

    I urge you to change this tactic least you compel me to end this and any future dialogue with you.

    then blame Europe and not the United States. Europe was the original founder of the theory of Mercantilism.

    Unfortunately, it is who holds the ‘torch’ that gets to also hold the history.

    The US can claim “we didn’t do all of it”, but it doesn’t matter. The US accepted it when it took the Imperialist torch from France (Vietnam) and Britain (everywhere else).

    USA absolved the Europeans from their destructive policies, and took it wholly on, with no grant of mercy from the victims of Imperialism.

    Hardly an exploitation. As a matter of record, the Bush administration’s trade balance with Iran was in IRAN’s favor and not the US…to mean that the United States imported more than it exported.

    The duplicity of government is not new.

    And, the US needs oil. Between principle and practicality, I would wager (and win nearly every time) that governments pick practicality.

    Europe is the key to any meaningful behavior-modifying sanctions on Iran…. NOT the US. The continued focus on Russia and China’s intransigence is allowing Europe to stay under the radar.

    This is true. But let’s not expect anything different.

    It’s a two-way situation. Europe may be the key, but Iranian oil is the key.

    Now with the threats of the Russia/Ukraine spat indirectly risk destroying European economy (as Russia turns off the natural gas to Ukraine, it also turns them off to Europe).

    Betting on practicality, Europe will do little to interrupt its backup source of Iran.

    Thus, the key is China and Russia. China needs Iranian oil, so before you can get too much agreement from China, Iran would need to be replaced. Whether the Venezuelan deal does this, I’m not sure.

    Russia – Iran is a toe-stub for the USA/Israel hegemony in the region.

    The more entangled the USA becomes in this matter; which in all practical purposes has nothing to do with the security of the USA; the better it is for Russia – up to a point (which is war).

    If you review Russian diplomatic moves, you can see how they are fishing the hook to trap US into this fruitless and worthless political bog, but trying not to hook the US so hard as to cause the US to go to war with Iran.

    Iran has been under three Security Council sanctions in the past decade,

    Whereas Israel has had 131 such resolutions from 1961 to 1989 – without effect.

    If it doesn’t work against Israel, no nation of any muster will suffer under them either.

    while the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has prospered and the plight of the average Iranian has deteriorated.

    While the former may be true, the latter’s loss is not due to them.

    It is primarily due to the corrupt politicians in and around the clerics.

    The IRGC, which in 2007 was designated by the U.S. Congress (DEMOCRATIC) as a terrorist organization, planned and instigated a coup during the recent Iranian elections and bear responsibility for the murder, rape, and oppression of the Iranian people.

    The IRGC does not have this power.

    Though an organ of the clerics, they are not the military. Such an overt action as you describe would most certainly trigger a civil war – which benefits none of the actors.

    IRGC controls the fundamentals of Iran’s economy,

    And, similarly, the Industrial Military Complex controls the US economy.

    …as does the KGB/FSK in Russia, and the Chinese Army in China, etc.

    Europe NEEDS Iran….not the US.

    Precisely.

    Which begs the question: Why the heck is the USA involved?

    If the Europeans aren’t worried, why is the USA?

    The IRGC is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s and the Iranian government’s power base,

    I disagree. IRGC is the cleric’s power base. There are other, powerful, forces in government – Ahmadinejad and the armed forces.

    Saudi Arabia can step in, as it has done at least once in the past, to fill the oil vacuum created by sanctioning the IRGC.

    I hold no faith in any Saudi pledge or action.

    The Saud family is teetering on overthrow. They have no friends in the consciousness of the people, and survive solely on the largess of the United States military and bribes to their own bureaucrats.

    They are, at best, bellwether friends. At worse, they are actively working to enfeeble all US interests.

    To peacefully weaken the IRGC’s muscle, Europe has no choice but to act now and cut off their source of capital. If Europe waits too long, it will be faced with an irreversible regional conflict in the Middle East,

    The only source of conflict in the Middle East today is US and Israeli actions.

    Thus, the only mitigation or acceleration of conflict will come from these two sources.

    If Europe acts to cut their own throat, and cease interaction with Iran, the chain of events will guarantee a regional, if not global, war.

    Without Iran, Europe will collapse into a massive depression – weakening any European resolve to act anywhere.

    The weakening of Iran will embolden Israel action – and they will attack. The attack will be devastating to the US from the asymmetrical response capability of Iran.

    The Israeli attack most probably will destroy all Israeli alliances and reverse any Arab nations neutrality into hostility. Turkey will end its alliance; and Israel will once again find itself wholly surrounded by hostile nations.

    Russia may militarily intervene, thrusting the war into a global footing.

    I do not see where the United States has been very instrumental at all….and to blame the United States for mercantilism and having an Army in Iraq…well, while a minor exacerbation with the Army…hardly the problem.
    The IRGC is THE MAIN PROBLEM FOR EXPLOITATION OF THE IRANIA PEOPLE…not the US or its policies.

    Myopic opinion.

    Using simple replacement hypothesis:

    If the USA had two Chinese armies raging on America’s North and South borders, while actively supplying funds and military capability to a expressed hostile-to-the-USA “Iceland” (who has rogue nuclear weapons) in amounts exceeding your entire military budget, AND China is actively threatening full economic sanctions, embargo and/or war with the USA to boot – ……

    …to then claim China isn’t instrumental at all in provoking US responses to a vast array of situations in this hypothetical scenario would be declared “bizarre”.

    No one controls the IRGC except the clerics. Iran WANTS a confrontation with Europe AND the United States. IT WANTS IT…and it needs it to maintain control.

    Nothing but rhetoric backs your claim here.

    Further, historical evidence wholly contradicts your claim here.

    The clerics are wealthy within the status quo of Iran. They would be the biggest losers in an armed conflict with the USA.

    It is incredibly unlikely that they want such a conflict. It makes no sense. There is no gain from such a confrontation as Iran would not prevail against the USA militarily, and the clerics would lose their power.

    They do gain more power by resisting American interests and appearing to be resilient to US provocations.

    If undermining clerical interests in Iran is a goal, the best way to do so is to stop provoking Iran. The clerics gain power by standing up to America. They would be deflated if that tactic was not available. Their corruption would gain daylight, and they would begin to lose legitimacy among the common Iranians.

    Like in the US, when external threats appear (fake or otherwise), the nation’s political power base enlarges and strengths. Iran is no different.

    The threats from the US and Israel empowers the clerics – not weakens them. As such, promoting more threats and actions is a foolish maneuver, if in fact, dis-empowering the clerics is the goal.

    But the military politicians of the USA are not stupid. They fully understand this.

    Yet, they act in a manner of precise application of action opposite necessary to achieve this goal of deflating the clerics power.

    Therefore, D13 is incorrect. This is not the goal of US action.

    The goal is not to dissolve the power of Iranian clerics or to achieve some political independence and freedom for the Iranian people.

    The goal has nothing to do with Iranian clerics, the moderates, or the provocateurs for the return of the regime of the Shah or the common Iranian people. They are all pawns, at best, dupes at worst.

    There is a whole other goal – and the Iranian people simply do not count toward any cost of those working to achieve it.

    • Typo’s:
      “All materialistic mercantilistic behavior must require the extension of imperial power. It cannot survive without it.”

    • Flagster,

      “Since you are so anti United States,

      This has already been pointed out to – so I am wondering why you persist in such a misrepresentation.”

      Forgive my inserting my .02c’s worth, but you have given me that impression as well. Several times I have seen you take a shot at the US to justify the worlds hatred. And while many of your points are valid, they are at best, one side of the story. Have you ever said anything good about the USA? As one who acts from “core principles”, a little self examination might be wise. Feel free to disregard this suggestion, as I am only the SUFA mascot (un-official).

      ” Iran has been under three Security Council sanctions in the past decade,

      Whereas Israel has had 131 such resolutions from 1961 to 1989 – without effect.”

      from my post at # 1,
      “Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa also described operation “SIG” (“Zionist Governments”) that was devised in 1972,

      to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the United States.”

      For any reasonable discussion about Israels sanctions, an examination of them would be needed. How many did they receive
      for successfully defeating multiple invasions? How many for their response to terrorist type attacks Iran is causing, supplying arms and funding.

      “The IRGC is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s and the Iranian government’s power base,

      I disagree. IRGC is the cleric’s power base. There are other, powerful, forces in government – Ahmadinejad and the armed forces.

      Saudi Arabia can step in, as it has done at least once in the past, to fill the oil vacuum created by sanctioning the IRGC.

      I hold no faith in any Saudi pledge or action. ”

      Here, you and I might find some agreement. The IRGC is linked more to the cleric’s than the President. The President is a zealot, the clerics and IRGC seem to be radical extremists. There is no one in power in Iran, that the world can reach any meaningful agreements with. As for Saudi Arabia, I find it interesting that they have bought more weapons than anyone else in the mid east than anyone else, so I am still looking at them, without a good opinion to offer.

      “The only source of conflict in the Middle East today is US and Israeli actions. ”

      Total, one-sided bulldookey! During the first gulf war, do you blame Israel for the missiles Iraq fired at them? I agree that Israel and the USA are not angles, that does not prove nor show they are the only devils making plays. Your bias here is as reeking as Oberman or Maddow.

      “historical evidence wholly contradicts your claim here.

      The clerics are wealthy within the status quo of Iran. They would be the biggest losers in an armed conflict with the USA.

      It is incredibly unlikely that they want such a conflict. It makes no sense. There is no gain from such a confrontation as Iran would not prevail against the USA militarily, and the clerics would lose their power.

      They do gain more power by resisting American interests and appearing to be resilient to US provocations. ”

      But their actions do not support your BELIEFS. They have aggressively sought the attention and engagement of the US by being the largest sponsor of terrorism in the world. I think we would have been out of Iraq several years ago, if Iran had not promoted violence there. How many countries in the middle east does Iran supply “insurgences” with weapons, training and funding?
      Were they not involved in Syrian election fraud last month?

      Use the USA as an example, what happens if an agenda driven group achieves total power? What is good for the country, and even for those in power can be thrown out as un-important. If Obama, Pelosi and Reed destroy our economy, and turn the US into a third world nation, will they, as individuals, profit? In Iran, you are talking about radical extremists that make our elected look like first graders playing cops and robbers.

      D13, great post, can see much research was done. Look forward to the follow-up.(its a dedicated man that would seek out an economist professor, waterboarding would be more pleasant).

      • “Whereas Israel has had 131 such resolutions from 1961 to 1989 – without effect.”

        Hehehe, it seems most of them are for deporting Palestinians. Those deporting bastards!!! I wonder why Iran or some other Muslim nation does not welcome them?

        37. Resolution 468: “…’calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions
        of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return”

        38. Resolution 469: “…’strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe
        the council’s order not to deport Palestinians”

        42. Resolution 484: “…’declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors”

        43. Resolution 487: “…’strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility”
        (Ok, this had no deporting, but I wanted to include it. Anyone want to side with the UN on this one?)

        56. Resolution 607: “…’calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and
        strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention

        57. Resolution 608: “…’deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the
        United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians”

        58. Resolution 636: “…’deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of
        Palestinian civilians

        59. Resolution 641: “…’deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of
        Palestinians

        62. Resolution 681: “…’deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians

        63. Resolution 694: “…’deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
        and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return

        64. Resolution 726: “…’strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of
        Palestinians

        65. Resolution 799: “…’strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

        • ehehe, it seems most of them are for deporting Palestinians. Those deporting bastards!!! I wonder why Iran or some other Muslim nation does not welcome them?

          Hmm, let’s use simple replacement theory to figure it out.

          Do you believe the US would “welcome” the deported Bolivian Christians, if say, the local indigenous, non-Christian population pushed them out?

          I didn’t think so.

          Palestinians home is Palestine.

          It is not Iran, or Jordon or Lebanon or Egypt or Syria, or anywhere else.

  42. From another blog:

    The Huffington Post has come up with a nice little protest movement. Let’s pull our money out the the bailed-out banks and put it in local banks that lend to locals. Who are the locals? People just like us.

    This makes sense economically. If you ever want a loan, get it from your own banker. If it’s a local bank, you will be treated well.

    The FDIC insures all accounts up to $250,000. Your money is as safe in a local bank as a bailed-out mega-bank.

    The folks at Huffington are on the Left. But we can all agree when we see insider bailouts like the ones in September and October 2008.

    They have produced a video. This video is biased, mean-spirited, and simplistic but ya gotta love it!

    The more of these low-budget YouTube videos on the Big Bank bailout, the better.

    The bankers are on the defensive. Let’s keep them there.

    The Huffington Post article is here.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/move-your-money-a-new-yea_b_406022.html?view=print

    The authors — Mrs. Huffington and former Chief Economist of the Senate Banking Committee, Rob Johnson — have had enough.

    They do not call this a bank run. They call it a withdrawal tax. I like that.

    I agree with them on this point: the protest is neither Right wing nor Left wing.

    The idea is simple: If enough people who have money in one of the big four banks move it into smaller, more local, more traditional community banks, then collectively we, the people, will have taken a big step toward re-rigging the financial system so it becomes again the productive, stable engine for growth it’s meant to be. It’s neither Left nor Right — it’s populism at its best.

    Consider it a withdrawal tax on the big banks for the negative service they provide by consistently ignoring the public interest.

    It’s time for Americans to move their money out of these reckless behemoths. And you don’t have to worry, there is zero risk: deposit insurance is just as good at small banks — and unlike the big banks they don’t provide the toxic dividend of derivatives trading in a heads-they-win, tails-we-lose fashion.

    Think of the message it will send to Wall Street — and to the White House. That we have had enough of the high-flying, no-limits-casino banking culture that continues to dominate Wall Street and Capitol Hill. That we won’t wait on Washington to act, because we know that Washington has, in fact, been a part of the problem from the start. We simply can’t count on Congress to fix things. We have to do it ourselves — and the big banks are the core of the problem. We need to return to the stable, reliable, people-oriented approach of America’s community banks. . . .

    JP Morgan/Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo, and Bank of America may be “too big to fail” — but they are not too big to feel the impact of hundreds of thousands of people taking action to change a broken financial and political system. Let them gamble with their own money, not yours. Let’s turn big banks into smaller banks. We’ll all be better off — and safer — as a result.

    Make it your New Year’s resolution to move your money. We can’t think of a better way to start 2010.

    Please post and copy everywhere.

  43. Judy Sabatini says:

    Subject: Travel Scrabble
    Okay—the game is on. Travel Scrabble. Keep it going!!! Change one
    letter of the bottom word posted and let’s see who gets stuck and
    can’t continue! Kinda fun to see where the game travels
    geographically!!!
    Rules: You cannot add letters. You can only use English. You can only
    change one letter. Send it back to the person that sent it to you,
    plus 10 new people. Add your entry to the bottom after you hit
    forward, or to be neater, *Please Copy and Paste! *
    Don’t forget: send it back to the person that sent it to you, plus 10
    new people. To make it even more interesting, include your location
    and the date to see how far this goes and how long it’s been out.
    Maybe it will come back
    to you in a week or a month or a year!
    YOUR WORD:
    Shot -Molly – Kingston – 5-1-09
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    Slaw – Barbara McCoy 5-4-09
    Flaw – Paulette Bell – Huntsville , AL , 5-5-09
    Claw – Tom Hosier – Midland , TX 5-5-09
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    Soap—-Norma, Lincoln , NE 5-5-09
    Soak – Sheryl , SD 5-6-09
    Sock – Jackie , SD 5-11-09
    Lock – Earl , SD 5/11/09
    Mock – Diane , NY 5/17/09
    Dock = Earl , SD 5-17-09
    Deck- Stan Grace , MT 5/17/09
    Desk-Susan, St. Mary MT 5/19/09
    Dusk – Wallis, Bozeman , MT 5/19/09
    Tusk—Valerie Morger Fort Benton , MT 5/19/09
    Task—Erin, Orlando 9/1/09
    Bask–Carol, Cocoa Beach 9/6/09
    Mask – Sharon, Des Moines, IA 9/6/09
    Mark – Jo, North Richland Hills, TX 9/8/2009
    Dark – Angela, Fort Worth, Texas 9/8/2009
    Bark – Jackson, Douglasville, GA 9/8/0
    Barn – Barbara, Bullhead City, AZ – 9-9-09
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    Turn ~ Lori ~ Moorpark, Ca. 9.21.09
    burn~Alexa~Moorpark, Ca. 9/27/09
    Burp~Jacquie~Simi Valley, CA 9/27/09
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    Lord-Sky, Nelson New Zealand 10/09/09
    Cord – Karina, Boulder, CO 10-8-09
    CORE – Lisa, Fort Collins, CO 10/8/09
    Bore – Charlotte, Newton, Ia 10/10/09
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    Jerk-Bob, Blackduck, MN 10/24/09
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    Term-John, Rugby, ND 10/26/09
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    perk-ArJean 10.27.09
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    keel – Cheryl – 10-28-09
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    peep- Wendy Donnellson, Iowa 10-28-09
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    Ball – Kristie- La Crescenta, CA 11/11/09
    Bull – Linda – LaCanada Flintridge, CA 11/11/09
    Full – Carolyn –McKinney, TX 11/11/09
    Fall – Gordon – Chicago, IL 11/12/09
    Fail – Karen – Marietta, GA 11/12/09
    Mail – Rose, Marietta, GA 11/12/09
    Tail – Tony – Amelia Island, FL 11/12/09
    Vail – Michael – Lyme, CT 11/13/09
    Sail – Dennis – Western Springs, IL 11/14/09
    Said- Dick Colorado Springs. 11-14-09
    Paid- John and Gretchen- CO Sprigs- 11-15-09
    Laid — Dave-Cedaredge, CO 11-17-09
    Maid — Fran — Denver, CO 11-17-09
    Main – Janice – Denver, CO 11-17-09
    Mail – Amanda – Cedaredge, CO 11-17-09
    Jail – Anne-Marie – Albany, NY 11-18-09
    Jarl- S. Wheatley- Glenmont, NY 11-19-09
    Earl – Linda – Wildwood Crest, N.J. Nov. 19, 2009
    Earn – April – Quakertown, PA 11/19/2009
    Barn- Lee-Ann- Aldan, PA 11/20/2009
    Yarn- Christina, Downingtown PA 11/20/2009
    Darn – Liz, Wellington, FL 11/24/09
    Dark – Lynette, Sea Girt, NJ 11/30/09
    Card- Carla, NY, NY 11/30/09
    Bard – Toni, San Diego, CA 12/1/09
    Bark- Dawn, San Diego 12/2/09
    carb – Rosie, San Diego 12/2/09
    Cart – Roe, Lakeside CA 12/2/09
    Fart – Kim, Santee CA, 12/3/09
    Dart- Connie, Apple Valley Ca. 12/03?9
    Mart-April,Oak Grove KY 12 ?9
    Tart-Alicia, Fairbanks, AK 12/4/09
    Tarp – Melissa, Austin, TX 12/4/09
    Harp – Laura, Dripping Springs, TX 12/4/09 Rapt – Marcie, Houston, TX 12-04-09 Park – Peggy, Houston, TX. 12-4-09
    Perk – Bonnie, Fort Worth 12/4/09
    Pert-Nancy, Manchester MD 12/16/09
    Rent – Evelyn, Manchester, MD 12/21/09
    Bent – R.D., Iowa City, Ia. 12/22/09
    Beet – Mary, Hudson, MA 12/22/09
    Feet – Sheila, Hudson,NH 12/22/09
    Fret – Brenda, Hudson, NH 12/26/09
    Free-Cindy, Hollis, NH 12/16/09
    Fred,Bob B. Rockledge, Fl.

    BRED, Dick G. Rockledge, FL.

    Brad, Lee L. Londonderry, N.H.
    brat – Sue, Milford NH
    BEAT- ANDREA,MILFORD,NH

    beet- Marlene,bklyn,NY
    heat Gary Tionesta Pa
    —— End of Forwarded Message
    meat- Judy Reno Nevada

  44. This is why we need to get AG’s working to find any way possible to put a halt to this massive entitlement program:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574522680235765894.html?mod=wsj_share_twitter#articleTabs%3Darticle

    • v. Holland says:

      “Capitalism edges out socialism in poll – Video “Blame The Capitalists”

      April 9, 2009 at 3:08 pm by Erik Blazynski
      Filed under Economics, Featured

      I am very surprised to see the results of this Rasmussen survey.

      Only 53% of American adults believe capitalism is better than socialism.

      The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 20% disagree and say socialism is better. Twenty-seven percent (27%) are not sure which is better.

      It is an outrage that this is what our country has been reduced to. NEARLY a majority of Americans either prefer socialism (20 percent) or simply have no idea (27 percent).

      Warning, I am going to rant here, if you don’t like my rants click to another story….

      You know what the problem is with this country? People have stopped thinking. They just want to be told what to think and what to do. If you are reading this blog you may not one of those people. People in this country have become too damn complacent. You watch TV and you are TOLD that you want a fancy new necklace and shiny new SUV, and to have it your way at Burger King. These impulses along with the availability of irresponsible credit keep you sufficiently complacent so that you stop thinking about things that really matter. And by the way, your getting fat!

      So let me take this opportunity to tell YOU what YOU think.

      1. The government is NOT the only one that can fix this financial crisis.
      2. Your government is NOT working in your best interest.
      3. The government does NOT have the right to take over ANY company.
      4. You are OUTRAGED that our president has asked the CEO of a private company to step down.
      5. The world will continue to spin on it’s axis if GM files for bankruptcy. WITHOUT government help.
      6. It is YOUR job to take care of yourself, not the governments.
      7. Burger King is bad.

      If you like I can set up an RSS feed and every day I can tell YOU what YOU think. Trust me, I have your best interests at heart more so than Washington, Madison Avenue, and Wall Street do. I’ll give you 5-6 thoughts a day. I am not going to go into any explanation of any of the points. Just simply know that they are true.

      Our educational system has completely failed us if we have 27 percent of Americans that can not form an opinion on whether or socialism is better than capitalism. Socialism is bad, OK? It removes all incentive to excel and compete. A socialist society is like a herd of castrated bulls. They have no drive, no fury, no hunger, no reason to innovate, no reason to put any effort forth to make this world a better place. Even if you can’t understand what I am saying, just know that it is bad ok?”

      http://radioviceonline.com/capitalism-edges-out-socialism-in-poll-video-blame-the-capitalists/

      • V.H:

        My dear, “A socialist society is like a herd of castrated bulls. They have no drive, no fury, no hunger, no reason to innovate, no reason to put any effort forth to make this world a better place.”

        They are also easier to handle, are more conforming (more weight to the right places), and of course they are led to slaughter.

        Rant away my dear. I love your idea. Just give a few each day and maybe some will sink in eventually.

        Remember, the poll also reflects the lies taught about what “capitalism” really is as opposed to the fasciolist system we actually have.

        This is also one more indicator of why I have said “education” is required before the actual revolution can occur.

        Since its New Year weekend lets look at the bright side. More than 50% prefer capitalism. That’s better than I would have expected.

        Deep breath, exhale. Better??

        Best to you V.H. and your family
        JAC

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        V

        Nice post and it’s true the government isn’t doing a damn thing for anybody. People have become way to dependent on the government for almost everything.

        People have become lazy in trying to do things for themselves, but instead letting the government dictate to them how they should live, what kind of car they should be driving, how to raise their own kids, where to shop, what to eat, how much money they should spend, what kind of health care they’re going to get whether they want it, need it, or not. It goes on and on.

        I have been looking for a job since I lost mine in October whether it be part time, full time or what ever, but not having any luck right now, but that doesn’t mean I’m giving up. Right now, here in Reno, the job market sucks. If you don’t have a degree in anything, at least 3 to 5 years experience in anything, or can speak Spanish, then not much luck. Most of the jobs I see now listed are in the medical field, and I don’t have any degrees or experience in. But, I’m not giving up. I know something will come up.

        Hope you will have a good year this year.

        Judy

  45. Woo Pig Sooie!!!!

    Hey LOI, Congrats on winning your bowlgame (helped that the kicker from E. Carolina choked two times…..)

    What’s with the whining about the cold? You Hogs need to come to the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field sometime to feel cold…..

    • Kathy,

      I didn’t know we won, thanks for the update. I was offered tickets and passed. Most sports, I would rather do than watch.
      I remember cold, lived up north as a child, real snow, sledding and ice skating. Kids are outside trying to scrape up enough snow to play with from our 1/2″ dusting last night.
      Have not seen any ice they could skate on yet, but more snow later this week, so may happen.

      As for a cold “whine”, try duck hunting, breaking the ice in hip waders so they can land, standing still in that freezing water for hours. I have become a spoiled, lazy sort, must have a heated blind to get me to go, a dog to fetch the birds. And hot chocolate, very spoiled.

      • LOI

        Been there and done that as well.

        Same state of mind as you today. That just means we’ve gotten smarter.

        • I have always wondered about the “real duck hunters”, are they gluttons for punishment, or just that dumb? Years ago, I switched from ducks to clay pigeon’s. Shoot when the weather’s to your liking and easier to “clean”.
          Have gone back to hunting them some, but only when “pampered”. Deer and coyote are much more pleasant, dry and warm.

  46. Judy Sabatini says:

    Just some random things I’m putting up. Got this from a friend.

    COFFEE FILTERS
    Coffee filters ..who knew! And you can buy 1,000 at the Dollar Tree for almost nothing.

    1. Cover bowls or dishes when cooking in the microwave.
    Coffee filters make excellent covers.

    2. Clean windows and mirrors. Coffee filters are lint-free so they’ll leave windows sparkling.

    3. Protect China
    … Separate your good dishes by putting a coffee filter between each dish.

    4. Filter broken cork from wine. If you break the cork when opening a wine bottle, filter the wine through a coffee filter.

    5. Protect a cast-iron skillet. Place a coffee filter in the skillet to absorb moisture and prevent rust.

    6. Apply shoe polish. Ball up a lint-free coffee filter.

    7. Recycle frying oil. After frying, strain oil through a sieve lined with a coffee filter.

    8. Weigh chopped foods. Place chopped ingredients in a coffee filter on a kitchen scale.

    9. Hold tacos. Coffee filters make convenient wrappers for messy foods.

    10. Stop the soil from leaking out of a plant pot. Line a plant pot with a coffee filter to prevent
    the soil from going through the drainage holes.

    11. Prevent a Popsicle from dripping. Poke one or two holes as needed in a coffee filter.

    12. Do you think we used expensive strips to wax eyebrows? Use strips of coffee filters.

    13. Put a few in a plate and put your fried bacon, French fries, chicken fingers, etc on them.
    Soaks out all the grease.

    14. Keep in the bathroom. They make great “razor nick fixers.”

    OH YEAH THEY ARE GREAT TO USE IN YOUR COFFEE MAKERS

  47. v. Holland says:

    Leaving water in the desert is one thing-Encouraging them to come here illegally is another. Using poetry, priceless!

    Art/tech project helps border crossers find water and poetry

    By Elliot Spagat

    Associated Press
    Posted: 12/29/2009 06:26:59 AM PST
    Updated: 12/29/2009 07:00:58 AM PST

    Brett Stalbaum, University of California-San Diego lecturer,… (Lenny Ignelzi, Associated Press)

    SAN DIEGO — A group of California artists wants Mexicans and Central Americans to have more than just a few cans of tuna and a jug of water for their illegal trek through the harsh desert into the U.S.

    Faculty at University of California, San Diego, are developing a GPS-enabled cell phone that tells dehydrated migrants where to find water — and also broadcasts poetry, regaling them on their journey much like Emma Lazarus’ words did a century ago to the “huddled masses yearning to breathe free” on Ellis Island.

    The Transborder Immigrant Tool is part technology endeavor, part art project. It introduces a high-tech twist to an old debate about how far activists can go to prevent migrants from dying on the border without breaking the law.

    Immigration hardliners argue the activists are aiding illegal entry to the United States, a felony. Even migrants and their sympathizers question whether the device will make the treacherous journeys easier.

    The designers — three visual artists on UCSD’s faculty and an English professor at the University of Michigan — are undeterred as they criticize a U.S. policy they say embraces illegal immigrants for cheap labor while letting them die crossing the border.

    “It’s about giving water to somebody who’s dying in the desert of dehydration,” said Micha Cardenas, 32, a UCSD lecturer.

    The effort is being done on the government’s dime — an irony not lost on the
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    designers whose salaries are paid by the state of California.

    “There are many, many areas in which every American would say I don’t like the way my tax dollars are being spent. Our answer to that is an in-your-face ‘so what?’ ” says UCSD lecturer Brett Stalbaum, 33, a self-described news junkie who likens his role to chief technology officer.

    Migrants walk for days in extreme heat, often eating tuna and crackers handed out at migrant shelters in Mexico. On Arizona ranches, they sip desperately from bins used by cows when their water runs out.

    Hundreds have perished each year since heightened U.S. border enforcement pushed migrants out of large cities like San Diego and El Paso, Texas, in the 1990s. In response, migrant sympathizers put jugs or even barrels of water in the desert.

    The designers want to load inexpensive phones with GPS software that takes signals from satellite, independent of phone networks. Pressing a menu button displays water stations, with the distance to each. A user selects one and follows an arrow on the screen.

    Some worry the software could lead migrants to damaged or abandoned water stations. Others wonder if it would lull them into a false sense of security or alert the Border Patrol and anti-illegal immigration activists to their whereabouts.

    John Hunter, who has planted water barrels in California’s scorching Imperial Valley since the late 1990s, says vandals destroy about 40 of his 150 stations every year.

    “My concern is for people who arrive and find (the water) doesn’t exist,” he says.

    Luis Jimenez, 47, was abandoned by smugglers and rescued by the Border Patrol twice this year — once after hitting his head on a rock and again after being bit by a snake. The Salvadoran migrant, who hopes to reach family in Los Angeles, would try the GPS device but can’t afford one.

    “If it tells you where to find water, it’s good,” he said at a Tijuana, Mexico, migrant shelter.

    The phone designers say they are addressing the concerns, with an eye toward having the phone ready by midsummer.

    “We don’t want to create a safety tool that actually puts people in more danger,” Stalbaum says.

    The water locations beamed to the phones will be updated constantly to ensure accuracy. If the distance is too far, they won’t appear on the screen.

    The designers, who have raised $15,000 from a UCSD grant and an art festival award, hope to hand out phones for free in Mexico. The phones sell used for about $30 apiece. It costs nothing to add the GPS software.

    Distribution would be tightly controlled by migrant shelters and advocacy groups to keep them away from anti-illegal immigration activists. The migrants would need passwords to use them.

    U.S. authorities are unfazed. The Border Patrol has begun a $6.7-billion plan to drape the border with whiz-bang cameras, sensors and other technology.

    “It’s nothing new,” said Border Patrol spokesman Mark Endicott. “We’ve seen handheld GPS devices used by smugglers. … We’re just going to have to learn to adapt to any challenges.”

    Critics of illegal immigration say the device is misguided, at best.

    “If it’s not a crime, it’s very close to committing a crime,” said Peter Nunez, a former U.S. attorney in San Diego. “Whether this constitutes aiding and abetting would depend on the details, but it certainly puts you in the discussion.”

    The software is being designed to direct migrants to water stations but Cardenas said they may add other “safety markers,” like roads, towns and Border Patrol lookouts.

    The group has published verses to be played on the phone’s “Global Poetic System.”

    One poem reads, “May your tracks cut the shortest distance between points A and B.”

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14086372?nclick_check=1

  48. LOI,

    Flagster,

    “Since you are so anti United States,

    This has already been pointed out to – so I am wondering why you persist in such a misrepresentation.”

    Forgive my inserting my .02c’s worth, but you have given me that impression as well. Several times I have seen you take a shot at the US to justify the worlds hatred.

    I’ve addressed this numerous times, most recently in this post, above:

    ….perhaps I do not know you well enough…but from what I have surmised from your writings, your dislike of this country is stark

    This statement can only come from a man who confuses government with country.

    It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government. –
    Thomas Paine

    There is a difference between actions of a country and the country.

    D13’s comment is a vociferous comment – one meant to generate an vehement outcry to garner support for his side of an argument and to disparage mine based on a negative emotional appeal – not on reason or argument, but by attempting turn me into a villain (and thus, all that is said by such villain must be assumed to be deceptive, evil and wrong) by supposing that I am against the entire population simply because they are Americans.

    This is precisely the same tactic – in reverse – when some argue Muslims are evil or Arabs are evil.

    It is an attempt to create a shade – that anyone arguing for justice and equitable treatment of innocent populations who happen to be Muslim and/or Arab are suddenly thrust into the apparent defense of evil people.

    This tactic of claiming someone actually, quote, “Dislikes this country” where the readership is vastly the majority of such country in such a blanket statement is trying to minimize the other argument into irrelevance under the assumption that “this arguer is blind to all other actions of us, the People, whom he is writing to” and thus, can’t be trusted to see the truth clearly.

    In a debate, where attempting to influence an audience, the opponent says to the audience, “that other guy hates everyone’s guts here” – it is a blatant attempt to dissuade such influence – not by truth, reason or rhetoric – but by emotion and threat.

    And while many of your points are valid, they are at best, one side of the story. Have you ever said anything good about the USA?

    What part?
    Government – never.
    Individual action – very often.

    “Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa also described operation “SIG” (“Zionist Governments”) that was devised in 1972,

    to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the United States.”

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0208/02/cf.00.html
    the Israelis knew that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan river, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die, and I would. – President Bill Clinton.

    “I’ve never seen a President — I don’t care who he is — stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn’t writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don’t have any idea what goes on.”
    –Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff (quoted in: They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel’s Lobby by Paul Findley, former Illinois congressman)

    Chomsky’s major claim is that Israel and the United States – especially the latter – are rejectionists opposed to peace, whereas the Arabs, including the PLO, for years have been trying to accommodate themselves to the reality of Israel.

    -The Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel and the Palestinians is a 1983 book by Noam Chomsy.

    For any reasonable discussion about Israels sanctions, an examination of them would be needed. How many did they receive
    for successfully defeating multiple invasions?

    Incomplete list, but it seems at least 78 or more.

    1. Resolution 46: The Palestine Question (17 Apr 1948) As the United Kingdom is the Mandatory Power, “it is responsible for the maintenance of peace and order in Palestine.” The Resolutions also “Calls upon all persons and organizations in Palestine” to stop importing “armed bands and fighting personnel…whatever their origin;…weapons and war materials;…Refrain, pending the future government of Palestine…from any political activity which might prejudice the rights, claims, or position of either community;…refrain from any action which will endager the safety of the Holy Places in Palestine.”
    2. Resolution 106: The Palestine Question (29 Mar 1955) ‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid.
    3. Resolution 111: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people”.
    4. Resolution 127: ” … ‘recommends’ Israel suspends its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem”.
    5. Resolution 138: Question relating to the case of Adolf Eichmann, concerning Argentine complaint that Israel breached its sovereignty.
    6. Resolution 162: ” … ‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions”.
    7. Resolution 171: ” … determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria”.
    8. Resolution 228: ” … ‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control”.
    9. Resolution 237: ” … ‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees”.
    10. Resolution 240 (October 25, 1967: concerning violations of the cease-fire
    11. Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967): Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area. Calls on Israel’s neighbors to end the state of belligerency and calls upon Israel to reciprocate by withdraw its forces from land claimed by other parties in 1967 war. Interpreted commonly today as calling for the Land for peace principle as a way to resolve Arab-Israeli conflict
    12. Resolution 248: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan”.
    13. Resolution 250: ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem”.
    14. Resolution 251: ” … ‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250″.
    15. Resolution 252: ” … ‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital”.
    16. Resolution 256: ” … ‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation”.
    17. Resolution 258
    18. Resolution 259: ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation”.
    19. Resolution 262: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport”.
    20. Resolution 265: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on Salt, Jordan”.
    21. Resolution 267: ” … ‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem”.
    22. Resolution 270: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon”.
    23. Resolution 271: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem”.
    24. Resolution 279: ” … ‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon”.
    25. Resolution 280: ” … ‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon”.
    26. Resolution 285: ” … ‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon”.
    27. Resolution 298: ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem”.
    28. Resolution 313: ” … ‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon”.
    29. Resolution 316: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon”.
    30. Resolution 317: ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon”.
    31. Resolution 331
    32. Resolution 332: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon”.
    33. Resolution 337: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty”.
    34. Resolution 347: ” … ‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon”.
    35. Resolution 425 (1978): ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon”. Israel’s withdrawal from Lebanon was completed as of 16 June 2000.
    36. Resolution 427: ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon”.
    37. Resolution 444: ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces”.
    38. Resolution 446 (1979): ‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”.
    39. Resolution 450: ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon”.
    40. Resolution 452: ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories”.
    41. Resolution 465: ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program”.
    42. Resolution 467: ” … ‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon”.
    43. Resolution 468: ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return”.
    44. Resolution 469: ” … ‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians”.
    45. Resolution 471: ” … ‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”.
    46. Resolution 476: ” … ‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claim to Jerusalem are ‘null and void'”.
    47. Resolution 478 (20 August 1980): ‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’.
    48. Resolution 484: ” … ‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors”.
    49. Resolution 487: ” … ‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility”.
    50. Resolution 497 (17 December 1981) decides that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.
    51. Resolution 498: ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon”.
    52. Resolution 501: ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops”.
    53. Resolution 509: ” … ‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon”.
    54. Resolution 515: ” … ‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in”.
    55. Resolution 517: ” … ‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon”.
    56. Resolution 518: ” … ‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon”.
    57. Resolution 520: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut”.
    58. Resolution 573: ” … ‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
    59. Resolution 587 ” … ‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw”.
    60. Resolution 592: ” … ‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops”.
    61. Resolution 605: ” … ‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.
    62. Resolution 607: ” … ‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
    63. Resolution 608: ” … ‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians”.
    64. Resolution 636: ” … ‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
    65. Resolution 639 (31 Jul 1989)
    66. Resolution 641 (30 Aug 1989): ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians.
    67. Resolution 648 (31 Jan 1990)[1] The Security Council extends the mandate of the UN Interim Force in Lebanon until July 31, 1990.
    68. Resolution 672 (12 Oct 1990): ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for “violence against Palestinians” at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
    69. Resolution 673 (24 Oct 1990): ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
    70. Resolution 681 (20 Dec 1990): ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
    71. Resolution 694 (24 May 1991): ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
    72. Resolution 726 (06 Jan 1992): ” … ‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians.
    73. Resolution 799 (18 Dec 1992): “. . . ‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
    74. Resolution 1559 (2 September 2004) called upon Lebanon to establish its sovereignty over all of its land and called upon Syria to end their military presence in Lebanon by withdrawing its forces and to cease intervening in internal Lebanese politics. The resolution also called on all Lebanese militias to disband.
    75. Resolution 1583 (28 January 2005) calls on Lebanon to assert full control over its border with Israel. It also states that “the Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for the purpose of confirming Israel’s withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425.
    76. Resolution 1648 (21 December 2005) renewed the mandate of United Nations Disengagement Observer Force until 30 June 2006.
    77. Resolution 1701 (11 August 2006) called for the full cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah.
    78. Resolution 1860 (9 January 2009) called for the full cessation of war between Israel and Hamas.

    Here, you and I might find some agreement. The IRGC is linked more to the cleric’s than the President. The President is a zealot, the clerics and IRGC seem to be radical extremists. There is no one in power in Iran, that the world can reach any meaningful agreements with.

    That is impossible to say, since the US has blocked every attempt at diplomatic relations with Iran.

    To claim “there is no one to talk to” when one refuse to talk is rather …. strange.

    Total, one-sided bulldookey! During the first gulf war, do you blame Israel for the missiles Iraq fired at them?

    I blame the USA invasion of Iraq in GW version 1.

    As I have noted here before, the whole rest of the world see Israel and America as one and the same. The action of one is assumed to be the action of the other.

    To misunderstand this global perception represents a huge threat to Americans.

    I agree that Israel and the USA are not angles, that does not prove nor show they are the only devils making plays.

    In the Theory of Constraints, there is this most important tenet – in every system that has a Constraint, there is one, single, constraint that dominates the system.

    Attempting to mitigate any constraint other than the dominate changes nothing of the constraints in the system. Until the dominant constraint is mitigated, the system will not change.

    When the dominant constraint is mitigated, the entire system needs to be wholly reviewed since the next dominant constraint will not necessarily arise from any other previous known constraint, but arising anew as a consequence of the removing of the previous dominant constraint.

    In other words, it is irrelevant to concern one’s self about any constraint other than the dominant – and only by changing it, will the system change, and after you change it, the next dominate constraint will most probably arise where you did not expect it.

    Until the US/Israel hegemony is mitigated, all other actions of others in the region can only be understood within the context of these four possible actions:

    (1) resistance to the hegemony
    (2) acquiescence to the hegemony
    (3) avoidance of the hegemony
    (4) support of the hegemony

    Your bias here is as reeking as Oberman or Maddow.

    My position on the matter is mathematical.

    Concerning one’s self over the actions of, say, Yemen, can only be reviewed as it effects the hegemony.

    All actions and reactions within the region are responses to the actions and projections of the hegemonic power.

    But their actions do not support your BELIEFS. They have aggressively sought the attention and engagement of the US by being the largest sponsor of terrorism in the world.

    Let’s be clear here.

    The largest support of terrorism in the world is the US government.

    Again, review above statements. Actions of other actors in the region are responses to the projections of the hegemonic powers.

    I think we would have been out of Iraq several years ago, if Iran had not promoted violence there.

    Prefect point.

    There would be no Iranian action (if any) against US forces in Iraq if the US forces were not in Iraq in the first place

    • LOI,

      Further to this comment:
      “There is no one in power in Iran, that the world can reach any meaningful agreements with.”

      Russia seems to have found someone.

      As have the;
      Chinese
      Japan
      UK
      Swiss
      French
      Venezuela
      Germany
      Most previous Soviet Republics
      …and about 99 other nations.

      And the American excuse is…..??

    • Flag,

      Thanks for the clarification on your views of the US.

      (vociferous comment – one meant to turn me into a villain)
      You are a self-avowed pirate, therefore a villain. Either reform, or deal with the name calling. LOL

      (77. Resolution 1701 (11 August 2006) called for the full cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah.
      78. Resolution 1860 (9 January 2009) called for the full cessation of war between Israel and Hamas.)

      Makes me wonder, it they would agree to today, what Arafat walked out on?
      But Hamas and Hezbollah both call for the destruction of Israel, and are supplied with weapons and funding by Iran.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit

      Ehud Barak offered Arafat an eventual

      91% of the West Bank, and all of the Gaza Strip,

      with Palestinian control over Eastern Jerusalem as the capital of the new Palestinian state;

      in addition, all refugees could apply for compensation of property from an international fund to which Israel would contribute along with other countries. The Palestinians wanted the immediate withdrawal of the Israelis from the occupied territories, and only subsequently the Palestinian authority would crush all Palestinian terror organizations.

      The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[13][15][16] Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former minister in the Palestinian Authority.[17]

      (Until the US/Israel hegemony is mitigated, all other actions of others in the region can only be understood within the context of these four possible actions:

      (1) resistance to the hegemony
      (2) acquiescence to the hegemony
      (3) avoidance of the hegemony
      (4) support of the hegemony)

      I see this differently, until both sides want peace, there will be violence. When there have been short periods of peace, I see the one who
      initiates violence as being the aggressor.

      • I agree regarding Arafat – it was a momentous blunder on his part.

        As far as peace process;

        I’ve posted before – when the weaker side relents its struggle in the face of a stronger adversary, it’s called “surrender”. The Palestinians will never surrender.

        When the stronger side relents its struggle in the face of a weaker adversary, it’s called “unilateral cease fire”. This is the only possible route to peace.

        All action must be taken into context of the hegemonic power. Any action of other parties can only be reactive to that power.

        The only action can come from the hegemonic power.

        The ball is always in the US/Israeli court.

        • I should say;

          “The only active (as opposed to reactive) action can come from the hegemonic power.

        • Flag,

          Respectfully, I disagree. If Hamas were to reject Iran’s pressure to attack Israel with the missiles they supply, and offer to accept the peace terms offered to Arafat, peace could/should follow. The US and Israel may have to offer more, and swallow their pride, but it cannot all depend on them. Even the weak party must renounce violence and extremism as a valid method of attaining their goals, unless war is their goal. Or else, you justify terrorism.

          For example, what if I burn up your car? Not acceptable?

          http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/01/youths_in_france_torch_cars_to.html

          Why is Hamas shooting missiles acceptable?

          • “offer to accept the peace terms offered to Arafat”

            They have, LOI. But such an offer is not on the table.

            And that is my point.

            Unless the hegemonic power makes the active moves, there is no positive action – there is only negative ie: reactive moves.

            Re: Hamas missiles.
            The question is not a matter of ‘acceptable’ or ‘unacceptable’.

            The question is active vs reactive actions.

            Hamas operates within only the 4 available contexts:

            1-resistance
            2-acquiesce
            3-avoidance
            4-support…
            …of hegemonic power.

            They are in mode one. The US/Israel are attempting to force them into mode two. To get there, they have to move to mode 3 first.

            That is wholly up to US/Israel to provide the path.

  49. v. Holland says:

    Let me see if I have this right-by your logic-every action causes a reaction-so the US Government as the big dog, is always to blame because no matter what anyone else does, it’s simply a reaction caused by our action. Do I understand you correctly?

    • v. Holland says:

      Sorry BF, meant to push reply to your above post #48

    • Depends where you are talking about.

      Mongolia, no.
      Siberia, no.
      Tuscany, no.

      Middle East, yes.

      • …and not blame, but action.

        Everyone else is in response to hegemonic action – matters not if one judges such hegemonic actions as “good” or “bad”.

    • Think about it this way, V. Holland.

      Within the USA – where clearly the hegemonic power is the US government – an armed uprising would be against… who?

      Action undertaken by others against the uprising would be a demonstration of support of … who?

      Those that retreated from any action would be a demonstration of avoidance of …. who?

      And those that agree that action -whatever that action is- by the government would be an acquiescence of …. who?

      If the US government attacks, say, Waco … who is the actor?

      If Randy Weaver resists, who is he resisting?

      In all political context within the US, the constraint is government of the US.

      This is no different anywhere there is hegemonic power, whether in Chechnya by Russians, or in Uyghur or Tibet by the Chinese.

      • v. Holland says:

        I’m gonna put this in simple terms, in order to help me say what I want to say-in my household, I am the hegemonic power and I am sure that my actions cause a reaction from my children but not always-I am not to blame or my action is not the cause of everything they do because I am not their only influence. In many cases it is their actions that cause my reactions.

        • Review my point:

          Your children actions can only be viewed within the context of yourself.

          In others words, they measure their action within your context.

          If they do something “good”, you reward them.

          If they do something “bad”, you punish them.

          If I am viewing your family, and thus, discerning what would by the constraint – it would be you.

          If you weren’t there – the entire family would operate in a wholly different way – and the constraint – guessing would move to the Mother. However, this is not necessarily what will happen – perhaps it may move to an Uncle or your wife’s new ‘friend’ (coming into the picture after your demise).

          But in a measurement sense – your actions twist and tilt the family = not your kids – they are the re-actions to your presence, demands, grace, commands, failures and successes.

          • Consider pyschology;

            Often we hear “they do ‘that’ as an act of rebellion against their parents” or “they do ‘that’ to please their parents”.

            Your children are tuned to please or rebel against your hegemonic power – until they move out on their own; and even then, much of what they do still revolves around your hegemony.

            This is merely an analogy to geo-politics.

            The actions and reactions of actors is a consequence of the action or reaction of the hegemonic power

            Do you think Chavez is threatening Curacao because its Dutch? Or because the US uses the island as a FOL?

            http://www.ciponline.org/facts/fol.htm

            His reaction is due to the hegemonic regional power – USA – not because Curacao has an airfield.

            • v. Holland says:

              I am starting to see your point but with some qualifiers 1. We have not always been top dog-so we have reacted ourselves in the past so all the problems in the world are not our fault. 2. Simply because other countries may be reacting to our actions doesn’t make their reactions reasonable or right. 3. we have just as much right to react to their reactions as they have to react to ours. In other words, just because we are powerful doesn’t always make us wrong or their reactions okay. Anymore than if my children(God forbid), break the law because they are rebelling against me, would be. 4. This world’s actions are like a domino effect, everything that has happened in the past effects what’s happening now, so we would have a lot of history to go through to determine what actions caused what reactions. It is simply unfair IMO to lay blame for current affairs on any one government.

              • 1. We have not always been top dog-so we have reacted ourselves in the past so all the problems in the world are not our fault.

                We are discussing US hegemony, apparent in its growth since 1900 – to its maximum extent recently.

                Neither am I talking about European wars of the 20th Century.

                The question was about Iran and the Middle East – today –

                2. Simply because other countries may be reacting to our actions doesn’t make their reactions reasonable or right.

                Those are subjective evaluations based on your point of view.

                Obviously you will evaluate a negative to the interests of USA as “bad”, and positive things as “good”.

                Adversaries may evaluate these things in an opposite manner.

                My point is, every step the US makes, causes a reaction.

                3. we have just as much right to react to their reactions as they have to react to ours.

                I argue the US does not have any right in another country.

                Nor does the US have a right to act against another country that is 3,000 miles away and of no threat.

                It is this belief of a ‘right’ that is the root of many immoral actions.

                In other words, just because we are powerful doesn’t always make us wrong or their reactions okay.

                Again, subjective.

                The fact is, the US acts – outside of its own nation, and to multiply, it acts upon nations outside of its own region.

                By declaring the world as its ‘vital interest’ it has become the hegemonic power over much of the globe.

                Expect reaction.

                4. This world’s actions are like a domino effect, everything that has happened in the past effects what’s happening now, so we would have a lot of history to go through to determine what actions caused what reactions.

                One need only go back to the day the US took the helm of Imperialism from Europe.

                What ancient history did or did not before then matters not much.

                It is simply unfair IMO to lay blame for current affairs on any one government.

                What is this psychosis to affix blame?

                Blame is subjective – action is not.

            • v. Holland says:

              Okay, Chavez doesn’t like us having an airfield in Curacao, which is causing him to react-so lets go a step further back-why do we feel the need to have an airfield-What are we reacting too? I have read a lot of your posts saying the US is to blame for this war or that reaction-and you may be correct but what I always question is that step further back-why did we do what we did-what were we reacting too.

              • why do we feel the need to have an airfield-What are we reacting too?

                The same reason the US has bases in over 100 countries.

                A global hegemony requires lots of bases.

                The bases are for drug-trafficking and observation/action/reaction to Chavez.

                I have read a lot of your posts saying the US is to blame for this war or that reaction-and you may be correct but what I always question is that step further back-why did we do what we did-what were we reacting too.

                The moment a nation finds its national interest bound up into international action – one can sense a hegemonic growth.

                Instead of “national interest” being interests in or directly affecting the homeland – it now takes on a global reach.

                When every global incident becomes a national interest, it is a sign that nation is no longer just a nation, but an empire.

              • v. Holland says:

                Okay, I’m starting to understand you a little better-your point is that we shouldn’t have been involved in the politics of these countries and since we got involved our actions have caused reactions that we don’t like. I agree that we get involved a lot more than we should but I’m not sure that we have always been given much of a choose-There have always been other powers who are more than willing to Nation build, such as the Soviet Union, which has forced our hand-has it not?

              • The Soviets Empire died like all others – over-extension into hostile territory.

              • v. Holland says:

                Yes, they did, although I think they are coming back-and I also think they went down mostly because of our actions or our reactions to their actions-whichever-the question in my mind is-would we have gone down if we hadn’t reacted .

    • Example:

      1991 – US quoted to Yemen “That was the most expensive vote you will have cast.”

      In an action that appeared to demonstrate Washington’s pique at Yemen for voting against the United States during a crucial U.N. Security Council debate on the gulf crisis, the State Department disclosed that it has slashed aid to the Arab nation from a planned $22 million to less than $3 million.

      The cut, disclosed in a letter from the department to Congress, came after Yemen joined Cuba on Nov. 29 in voting against the resolution authorizing force to eject Iraqi troops from Kuwait. After that ballot,according to a published report not disputed by the State Department, a U.S. official told the Yemeni ambassador, “That was the most expensive vote you will have cast.”

      Staff writers David Hoffman and R. Jeffrey Smith, correspondent Edward Cody in Saudi Arabia, special correspondent Trevor Rowe at the United Nations and staff researcher Lucy Shackelford contributed to this report.

  50. Seems to be a slow night so I’m gonna stick my neck out and try to put an image to some of the regular posters at SUFA. Feel free to put me in check if necessary. I mean this all in fun. Here goes:

    The Host US Weapon:40’s, stocky, dark hair, nice guy but doesnt take anyone’s shit. Trying to do his part to find the country some direction. Could easily hang out with him at my firepit

    Black Flag: Oh boy. Difficult. Of course he’s dressed in black. Tall. Cowboy boots. Watch your back, he’ll sneak up on ya and love the stumped look on your face. Walking database. Wolf in sheeps clothes. Unmasked he’s a teddy bear

    LOI: Smooth talking, reassuring, southern gentleman. Strawberry blonde hair. Wonderful person. Not to be confused with a redneck

    JAC: Another smooth talker. Much experience. Excellant way of relating to people no matter their intellect. Could easily be confused for LOI.

    G-man: My kinda man. Curly hair. Greg from Brady Bunch. Woodsman. Survivalist. Life of the party. I’ll be at his place when all hell breaks loose

    Charlie Stella: OMG He scares me. Wouldnt want to go up against him in a bar. Robert Dinero with a New York accent. Or is that Ray I’m spealing of. Just kidding guys.

    Matt & Buck : Nice guys. They seem to be learning. Seems they started in left field but after hanging out at SUFA it sometimes seems like they are on the fence.

    Birdman: G-man’s brother?

    CyndiP: Whoa! Don’t wanna mess with her. Watched live as she put a couple trolls in check. Go get em sister.

    V. Holland: Forgive me V if I have this wrong. Had this picture in mind for months: Sweet as hell, 50s,
    optimist, excellant in putting it in layman’s terms. Thought till tonight that you were female even as you were replying to BF. Then he put a wrench in my thoughts by refering to you as the man of the house?
    Now I’m confused.

    Bottom Line: Mr or Mrs Average American. Can’t figure it out. wonderful personality. Party at my house at 420

    D13: Holy Smokes! He is da man. If all hells breaks out and G-man’s plan doesn’t work I’ll be behind him

    Ellen: DeGeneres? Wonderful person

    Kathy: Don’t try to put anything past her. She’s on top of it. Cheesehead, another life of the party

    Anyway, I don’t post too often but I feel like I know all you guys. It’s like a tv show where you get connected to the characters. Hope everyone has fun with this. Pleasure hangin with you all. Let the games begin!

    • See I already forgot Judy: Are you really Alice from the Brady Bunch?

      • Anita, what about PeterB?

        • Yes Peter. Forgot him too. Intellegent, sophisticated. Flag’s clone.

          Kent too: can’t forget Kent. If I can’t find G-man I’ll head west to find him

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Hey Anita

        No, I’m not Alice from the Brady Bunch, what makes you think that? LOL! I’m curious.

        If you want to know what I look like, go on my face book, then tell me if I look like Alice.

        Let’s see if I can figure out what you might look like.

        I think you have short brown hair not sure though, if it’s straight or curly, maybe green eyes Probably about 5’5″

        Am I any where near that?

        • Judy:

          Fair is fair: Brown shoulder length straight hair. Could use some die at the moment. 5’6″. Failing eyesight-glasses since 4, bifocals since 8! Can still whip a softball or a dodgeball.

          Saw your Facebook once. Don’t go there much. I was refering to your personality when I was describing you. I love Alice.

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Hey Anita

            Thank you, I’ll take that as a compliment, she always has a smile on her face.

            I was close, wasn’t I? Don’t feel bad about wearing glasses. Once I hit 40, everything just went kaplooey on me. Eye sight failed, now I wear bifocals, body started sagging in all the wrong places, my teeth started giving me trouble had to have some pulled, I shrank in height, went from 5’2′ down to 4’11”. It’s a bitch getting old. By the way I’m 58 as of this past Nov 17th.

    • v. Holland says:

      Hi Anita-I am female, I am an optimist, sweet hmmmm the older I get the less sweet I am. 🙂 50’s yes. I’ve told BF, I’m female before, saw no reason to restate the fact-let’s face it, he has conversations with a lot of people, can’t expect him to remember every detail. Great post-Hope others will respond and tell if you are right or not.

    • v. Holland says:

      CyndiP-I agree with your assessment but I suspect under it all-she’s a teddy bear too.

    • 😆

      Anita, Got a great laugh, thanks! Well, you got most thigs right, except the hair thing, I’m a redhead, and it’s long (middle of back long). I have been laid back as of late, not by choice, but trying to get a 17 year old through school. Like D13, I’m a professional drinker, I like my beer, probably too much, but like it anyway, LOL. And I love a good party. Other than the hair, you were spot on, good job!

      G!

      • G-man:

        I’m not a drinker for the simple fact that I can’t stand the taste. Otherwise, I could hang with you. Hope you don’t mind me crashing your crib

        • You are welcome! Expect to need a good skinning knife, I’ll get’em home, you get them (deer) in the jar. 😆

          G!

          • Dont know about all that G-man. You get it to the kitchen, I’ll cook it. But I’ll be out in the boat at sunrise, catch some perch & bass, clean em , fry em, then do it all over again for dinner

    • Bottom Line says:

      Why doesn’t having a wonderful personality feel to compensate for enigmatically contextualized emasculation?

    • Anita, this was great. It is so funny how we come to think of the people here. I too have misread some of the male/female traits at times.

      We truly do need a SUFA gathering!

      • I hear you Kathy. I’m usually on the outside looking in but had a lot of fun tonight. Great group of people here.

      • v. Holland says:

        I’ve been wondering what happened to Spitfire and Alan-anyone have any idea?

    • Anita,

      I’m more quiet and reserved than smooth talker. Grew up in the north during early childhood. Still feel like I don’t fit in here, but would not fit there either. Pretty patient and easy going for the most part. Exceptions
      arise if someone threatens to hit a woman in my presence and the like.

      A little over six ft, 180lb, red going brown/gray. Might be an adrenaline junkie, plays out like a redneck.

      • Hi LOI

        I hope you aren’t mis-interpreting how I was describing you. Maybe smooth talker was misleading. You said it right- quiet & reserved. I totally enjoy reading your posts and would love to be your neighbor. I have faith that the SUFA crowd is a true sample of what all America really is. If we could just get big brother out of the way. Regardless, I had a blast with that post yesterday and looks like everyone else did too. Keep teaching me/us LOI. We shall overcome

  51. v. Holland says:

    G-man-life of the party-I see him as more laid back not saying he wouldn’t be fun though.

    • I’ve thought that way sometimes too V. Very nice guy either way.

    • VH, 😆 Laughing very hard! First good laugh of the weekend. I’m so laid back, I painted my living room, dining room, kitchen, and stairwell to upstairs, Friday and Saturday, and drank 28 16 oz cans of beer while doing it! If that’s laid back, I’d hate to see me wound up 🙂

      G!

      p.s. Everybody on this site gives me hope for the future, and some wonderful discussion!

      • v. Holland says:

        I didn’t mean laid back as in lazy-I meant easy to get along with, having principals but not being pushy, standing tall but not looking to be the center of attention.

        • That explains me pretty well, I’ve never been much on being the center of attention, thats why I couldn’t be a politician. Anita’s post was great, kinda made my weekend.

          G!

          • v. Holland says:

            Yes, I rather enjoyed being called Sweet as Hell myself, even though my husband might disagree. 🙂

  52. Here’s a funny for the day:

    AN ATHIEST IN THE WOODS

    An atheist was walking through the woods.

    ‘What majestic trees!

    ‘What powerful rivers!

    ‘What beautiful animals!

    He said to himself.

    As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him.

    He turned to look and saw a 7-foot grizzly bear charging towards him.

    He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him.

    He looked over his shoulder again, & the bear was even closer.

    He tripped & fell on the ground.

    He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him.

    At that instant the Atheist cried out, ‘Oh my God!’

    Time Stopped.

    The bear froze.

    The forest was silent.

    As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky.

    ‘You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don’t exist and even credit

    creation to cosmic accident.’ ‘Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament?

    Am I to count you as a believer’?

    The atheist looked directly into the light, ‘It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask you to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps you could make the BEAR a Christian’?

    ‘Very Well,’ said the voice.

    The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed. And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head & spoke:

    ‘Lord bless this food, which I am about to receive from thy bounty through Christ our Lord, Amen.’

  53. Interesting thoughts, then I’m off to the world of dreams.

    If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

    If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

    If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan’s holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

    If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

    If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

    If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

    If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?

    If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent “Austrian language,” would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

    If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

    If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to “Cinco de Cuatro” in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the e 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

    If George W. Bush had miss-spelled the word “advice” would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?

    If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he’s a hypocrite?

    If George W. Bush’s administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

    If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans, would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

    If George W. Bush had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America , would you have approved.

    If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

    If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

    If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

    So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can’t think of anything? Don’t worry.. He’s done all this in a few months, so you’ll have three years plus years to come up with an answer.

    Good Night All!

    G!

  54. Judy Sabatini says:

    I would like to say, that I think everybody here is just great. Fun to talk and kid around with. Sometimes, maybe, depends on who it is you’re arguing with, you feel like pulling your hair out, but can also have a serious conversation with, and or kid around with.

    This is one of the best things that happened to me, coming here and meeting you all, even though we have never met face to face, and becoming really good friends. Wouldn’t it be great of we good all meet somewhere?

    Hope you’re all doing really great this evening.

    Judy

  55. Bottom Line says:

    BLACK FLAG,

    You’ve prompted me to embark on a journey of auto-academic ‘discovery’ into the world of physics in order to be able to explain in technical terms, an apple falling from a 110 story building.

    Between…

    Time,
    Speed,
    Distance,
    Mass,
    Density,
    Weight,
    Character Velocity,
    Uniform Rate of Gravitational Acceleration,
    Drag Coefficient,
    Surface Area,
    Fluid/Medium density,
    Buoyancy Force,
    Etc…

    …I’m getting a headache.

    I’m getting it in spite of my ignorance and lack of education(I.E.-nary a calculus course)…

    But damn am I gettin’ a mental workout.

    It’s all good.

    Learning is fun.

    Teaching is a reward.

    Knowledge is power.

  56. Judy Sabatini says:

    Good night all, will see you here tomorrow.

    Pleasant dreams.

    Judy

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