Just A Citizen Offers Some Good Videos

And a happy Thursday morning to all of you. In lieu of a guest commentary this week, I have decided to further promote the videos that Just a Citizen mentioned during the guest commentary mash up on moral law from earlier this week. As this will be the last posting for me until Sunday night, as we enter a hectic holiday weekend in retail, I figured this would keep folks busy! I began watching the videos and found them to be extremely interesting. Each video is about ten minutes long and they really flow from one to the other (literally, as a sentence will stop mid-word in one video and pick up right there in the next). These were meant to be a single long video documentary. I particularly liked the fact that the videos are not attempting to push a partisan agenda. There is certainly a political message there, but it is not one that supports either the left or the right. It merely points to instances in history regardless of who happened to be in power at the time. I admit that I was worried at first with the dramatic music and daunting opening that this was going to end up little more than another conspiracy video series. But as I watched through many of them, it really is about providing a perspective on the events and how politicians shaped and used them to gain political capital and offer “protection.”

Adam Curtis

Now, I cannot claim to know the validity of all the claims made in this video, but I think that the over-arching theme is a correct premise. That theme is that politicians have advanced the concept of using fear in order to gain political power. I strongly advise any of you that find the time to watch the videos throughout the coming long weekend. We can then have some discussion about them next week sometime, either on open mic or on a specific article thread, whichever all of you prefer. It really comes down to you giving up a couple of hours of your time to learn some really interesting perspective on historical events and how they played out. Even if you don’t have the time to watch them in the near future, I encourage you to do so at some point. That is the reason that I have them all below. That way there is a convenient place to come back and find them all when you have time to watch them. They will all be right here at SUFA for all to find and watch at your convenience.

For those that may have missed JAC’s original post a couple of days ago, it went like this:

Information Alert

I would like to share a film series that touches on the subject of freedom and beliefs. It offers something for everyone to argue against, including our resident Pirate.

There are 17 Youtube clips of 10 mins or longer. I watched all this morning but you may want to divide up over the rest of the week to avoid burnout. And of course irate bosses and spouses.

I urge everyone to watch all 17.

Happy Thinking
JAC

The videos were posted on YouTube from a user named Sage Prophet, who is also a representative for a website called American Freedom Network. You can reach that website via this link:  American Freedom Movement • Index page I do want to point out that the 18th video below is from a different user than the first seventeen, and I don’t believe it was part of the original series, but it had the same name. When I find the time to watch that one, I will determine at that point whether it should remain here with the first seventeen.

More important than who posted the videos is who made them, so that I can give proper credit where it is due. From the description on Wiki:

The Power of Nightmares, subtitled The Rise of the Politics of Fear, is a BBC documentary film series, written and produced by Adam Curtis. The series consists of three one-hour films, consisting mostly of a montage of archive footage with Curtis’s narration, which were first broadcast in the United Kingdom in late 2004 and have been subsequently aired in multiple countries and shown in several film festivals, including the 2005 Cannes Film Festival.

The films compare the rise of the American Neo-Conservative movement and the radical Islamist movement, making comparisons on their origins and noting strong similarities between the two. More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organised force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is in fact a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies.

So without any further rambling from me, I offer up this video series posting titled:

The Power of Nightmares

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Comments

  1. Okay, I have watched 11 of these video’s-I find that I definitely see a HUGH HUGE HUGE slant to the left in these video’s -sorta- since so far I haven’t even seen a hint of anything negative said about the left-The whole series is based on nothing up to this point but a complete attack on all things Conservative. I am not saying there isn’t any truth in these video’s, but in between the hard push to destroy conservatism-I can’t make out what is true, what is exaggerated and what is straight out lies. So just why was I asked to watch this?

    • Mathius says:

      I’m only up to #6 (listening to it at work.. can’t watch videos at my desk)..

      I think there’s a lot negative about neo-conservatives because it is about the negative actions of neo-conservatives. That’s not a bias, it’s a topic. If I write a thesis on “the immoral actions of population X,” you wouldn’t call me biased if I spend the whole paper discussing the bad things population X did. I noticed they haven’t touched on fiscal conservatives at all and such, just the ones who were making stuff up. But you’re ahead of me, so maybe I’m just not there yet..

      • Actually, I would consider you biased -the whole concept of only talking about the bad, is to me, a biased concept.

        • Mathius says:

          Let’s try again. I am writing a paper of the health problems of cigarette smoke. You would consider me biased because I didn’t write about smoking in general and it’s benefits as a stress reliever? They aren’t saying conservatives are bad – they are saying this is something bad perpetuated by a sub-group of conservatives. That you feel they need to coddle the viewer and point out the unrelated good things about conservatism as well speaks to an underlying insecurity or a persecution complex.

          • If one is going to discuss how smoking effects ones health than one should mention all the effects which smoking has on health-to not do so is showing that smoking is only bad( which it probably is, but for this discussion I suppose that doesn’t matter) but if there are good and bad benefits of smoking than to give a true and accurate picture one must show both-if one doesn’t than one does not have a clear picture they have a one sided biased picture of smoking.

            Additionally, I did not say they had to include unrelated information. I simply question whether their take can be trusted as truth because it is so centered on the negative -As one is watching it-you could almost assume that there was only one political party with power in this country.

            • You know VH…I was thinking along the same lines as you, so I looked up the term Neoconservatism…Now I believe myself to be conservative, but definitely not neoconservative. From Wikipedia:

              Neoconservatism is a right-wing political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] Consequently the term is chiefly applicable to certain Americans and their strong supporters. In economics, unlike paleoconservatives and libertarians, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.

              I definitely do not agree nor fit that mold. Mathius is correct…young, but correct…IMHO.

              • They may be talking about a sub group of conservatism-it doesn’t change the fact that they are so negative in their evaluation that I have trouble excepting their interpretations of what is true. Just as one example which stuck in my mind-they state that conservatives booing another conservative off the stage was an example of the extremes of the party taking over the party. That the moderate conservative was the herald of individual freedom because he was carrying the banner for the right of a woman to choose. Now if this is the mans definition of a moderate vs. an extreme conservative. I have a problem with his interpretations. So why should I just accept anything else he says.

              • You have definitely gotten further into the series than I have. We will have to sort out what is truth or wishful fiction…

              • V.H.

                Don’t get hung up on labels. I have explained before how they have become meaningless.

                Neocons are just another brand of Progressive. The name became common when a bunch of them, previously Democrats, joined the Reagan administration.

                Neo con…kind of conservative or “fake” conservative depending on who in the Reagan crowd you talked to.

                The guys point about the hard core religious groups gaining power and shutting down “moderates” in the Republican party are TRUE.

                That is why Modern Liberals are always bad mouthing “conservatives”. Problem is they don’t recognize the difference between those who are strongly religious and those who are using religion as a political tool.

                Not all conservatives are the same. When the coalition was first made everyone referred to them as the “evangelical conservatives” or “evangelical right”

                I agree there is a slight tinge of bias but not as much as you are hearing. I think you are reacting because you think this is part of what you percieve as continued attacks on Christians.

                IT IS NOT THAT>

              • No, I am looking at this more as a left wing attack on conservatism. But I’m watching it anyway. 🙂 I suspect there is truth I can get out of it among the garbage.

              • SK Trynosky Sr says:

                Actually, the neo-cons are the liberal democrats who had to leave the party after the McGovernite radicals seized control. Reagan gave them a home because when it came to anti-communism, they were all on the same page. Reagan’s overarching concern was the destruction of the Soviet Union.

                What happened, as usual, was that after the goal was achieved, they, since Reagan was out of the picture, and wishy-washy Bush #1 was in, took credit. The democratic left, always takes credit for everything and they develop a power base among themselves which is pretty hard for traditional conservatives to compete in. (See Lindsay Graham’s current badmouthing of traditional conservatives that he claims have gone extreme). The rest, as they say is history.

                These hooples did so much damage with their mis-management and two poorly planned and even more poorly executed wars as to make the election of B.O. a near certainty from day one of his campaign, He, to the electorate, wasn’t “them”. That is one hell of a way to win a victory.

                The Republican party, as compared to the Democrat is a big tent party thanks to the true conservatives who want government out of your bedroom and boardroom. Bitch if you want about conservatives booing down a pro abortion republican but at least he got to speak unlike former PA governor Casey at the Democratic convention with his pro-life stand.

                You just gotta know your history on this stuff to understand how things change and stay the same. What’s that Shakespearean line,”there is nothing new under the sun Horatio”?

              • S.K.

                Not sure if you were talking to me or not.

                But I am certainly not bitching about the conservatives booing the moderate at the convention.

                The fact is, this marked a change in the tone and control of the Republican party.

                You say True Conservatives want the govt out of the bedroom and boardroom. But the crowd that was booing was doing so because they WANT govt in the bedroom.

                They are the ones now calling themselves “traditional conservatives” which is making it very hard to know just who is who in the elephant tent.

                Happy Friday my friend
                JAC

              • SK Trynosky Sr says:

                JAC

                It is hard to deal with the right to life issue because you run into something that even I cant reconcile in my own mind and have not been able to do since college some 40 years ago.

                On the one hand I have always leaned more towards the libertarian conservative model. Mind you I am not and could not be 100%. I always liked the Jefferson quote about the government that governs least, governs best. I was comfortable in that camp because it acknowledged a less intrusive government but a government nonetheless.

                Abortion troubles me. My libertarian side says, well, if you want to commit murder and that’s how I see it, then go ahead and be prepared for the consequences. Being a believer, I would not want to be the one standing in front of the big guy and explaining why I did it. On the other hand, my less than 100% libertarian side tells me that the role of government is to prevent murder.

                The devil is in the details, I had a cousin with MD who was incapacitated from age 10 and died before 20. I watched what my uncle and aunt went through. These were some wonderful people. After Michael died, my uncle, my son and I were having a discussion on abortion. My uncle never came right out and said it but you could hear in his voice and see in his eyes the pain. I knew then that what he was saying was that he wished he and his wife had a choice back then, before his son was born. I can understand that and, knowing him, the depth of his faith, the love he had for life, I could never deny him that choice.

                So, where the hell does that put me?

                Enjoy your 4th!!!

              • S.K.

                It puts you with the vast majority of Americans.

                Conflicted.

                For me, that is one reason the govt needs to stay out of it.

                On really, really big issues, like this, society needs to sort things our a lot more before handing it over to govt.

                Happy 4th back at ya.

              • V.H.

                The one point that was missed in the commentary about the “conservative” christians and the moderates is that the “evangelicals” were not that vocal or radical when the coalition was formed to get Reagan elected.

                They became more vocal and bold, in fact demanding as time progressed. They are now behind some of the “conservative” movement we hear is fighting to regain control of the Republican party.

            • And to further confirm that this is not me:

              The forerunners of neoconservatism were most often socialists or sometimes liberals who strongly supported the Allied cause in World War II, and who were influenced by the Great Depression-era ideas of the New Deal, trade unionism, and Trotskyism, particularly those who followed the political ideas of Max Shachtman

              Basically if I understand this correct, they are progressives who disguise themselves as fical conservatives.

    • V.H.

      The discussion about the neo-cons starts with a discussion about how “liberal” policies had dramatically failed in the USA and perceived MORAL decay caused some do “reconsider” their views and policies.

      The neo-cons were born from that effort. Beyond that point, the entire series is about only the two, well three actually, who become major players over the same basic concern. Moral decay of society.

      • I have about 3 more video’s to watch and a lot of house work to do for a party we are having Saturday-will have to get back to this later.

  2. I ahve not watched any of this yet, I do not get much time to watch stuff since I am either working or with my girl who is usually interested in watching or listening to something else, especially since music and entertainment is her whole business. She supports my politics and agrees with most of it, but she gets really bored by it all. I try not to force too much audio on her, she gets enough commentary from me, lol. And we watch certain news things regularly, so…anyway, I digress.

    VH, all I would say is to be careful that you do not always view an attack ON a certain group as an attack FROM a certain group. This may be left-wing or it may just be anti-right wing. If the negatives they point out are accurate, then they should be paid attention to and, when possible, pointed out to your conservative peers as weaknesses that need to be addressed or perhaps subsets of conservatism that need to be distanced from.

    I like hearing criticism of libertarianism because, whether it is motivated by bias or not, if I can see areas where we are PERCEIVED to be in error or areas where we are, and can work on presentation for the perception and fixes for the errors.

  3. Just checking in; working my way through videos. Only on #4.

  4. TexasChem says:

    @-JaC,

    I responded to your questions in the previous topic “mash-up moral law vs freedom law.

  5. Wow, very interesting. Please, everyone take the time to watch the whole series.

  6. I will be traveling to the UK and working in the North Sea for 5-6 weeks. Hope I can get access and keep up with you good people.

    Talking to some people the other day and they said they were glad I was going to the UK and not being a “sellout” and going to Brazil. An argument ensued and I pointed out that I own 2 Dodges and these people had Hondas and Toyotas.

    Interesting how we can be selective about what we believe in.

    • Wasabi

      My neighbor, who works in the new fields of N. Dakota, stopped to talk the other day.

      I was making fun and asked if he had learned his N. Dakota accent yet.

      He laughed and then said it wouldn’t do him any good. He needs an Hispanic accent to get along with the new crew brought in last month. In fact, a couple guys on the crew DON’T speak English at all.

      I mentioned my opinion of SAFETY problems that might arise. He said it was worse than I proposed. And then he finished with something that bothered me more than anything I have heard lately.

      “Yep, but whatever”.

      The surrender represented by the cynicism in this is chilling to me.

      Good luck in the North Sea and stay safe.
      JAC

      • Kind of like the guy a few weeks ago who said “shit happens”. You’re right, it’s hard for our industries to be safe when there are so many who don’t speak English.

        They used to say the USA was a melting pot, bit IMO it’s more like a TV dinner. The vegetables stay in their own compartment so they don’t hurt the dessert.

        The Oil Spill and the Border issues are very similar to me. Our regime did nothing to prevent the oil from reaching the shore for 8 WEEKS. Now they have their oily birds to tell us we are oil “addicts” and need something else.

        Close the damn border.

      • Who is John Galt?

      • JAC. That is one thing that has bothered me for some time. It seems a lot of people are willing to just roll with the flow. “Whatever” or “It doesn’t affect me”.

        How can these folks be so blind? They may not notice, but all this DOES affect them!

        Maybe when some of those new taxes that start up in 2011 hit them they will start to pull their heads out of the sand. Or maybe Obama can spin it to look like George W’s fault. 😉

        Anyway, here’s to a good July 4th! I hope you and yours have a great one.

  7. Judy Sabatini says:

    For this weekend. Happy 4th of July everyone. God Help this country.

  8. 🙂

  9. Mathius says:

    “Keep in mind again, federal candidates, this was a war of Obama’s choosing. This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in.” Michael Steele

    WTF? Seriously.

    • Buck the Wala says:

      Wow….just wow….

      Enjoy the holiday weekend everyone!

    • Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday.

      WTF?

      • Mathius says:

        Dumb, no doubt.

        But Steel’s on his own plain.

        • Mathius

          Actually I think they are on the same one.

          I wish we could put them, and their friends, on another PLANE.

          One that leads to say, Saturn.

          Enjoy the weekend and don’t blow off any fingers.
          JAC

    • And…Steele’s comments led William Kristol, editor of the conservative magazine The Weekly Standard, to call upon the GOP chairman to resign over the July 4 weekend as “an act of service for the country you love.”

      I concur with William Kristol.

      • Mathius says:

        I hope he’s doesn’t resign. He’s the best RNC chairman a liberal could ever ask for.

        • He is a lost ball in high weeds…

          • Mathius says:

            I especially like this bit:

            “Well, if he’s such a student of history, has he not understood that you know that’s the one thing you don’t do, is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? All right, because everyone who has tried, over a thousand years of history, has failed. And there are reasons for that.”

            Either he has forgotten that Bush was a Republican or he is attempting to rewrite history and blame Obama for an invasion that happened 5 years before he took office. Either way: amazing.

        • Enjoy your 4th of July weekend!

          • Mathius says:

            You, too.. but don’t forget I’m a Liberal – we hate America too much to celebrate 4th of July.

            🙂

    • Matt,

      In his defense, he’s a career politician, and therefore says stupid, indefensible things all the freaking time. Does make me wonder why the repugs picked him, there had to be a better choices for the job. Maybe they can get Rev. Wright or Jackson???:lol:

  10. USW said,

    “I think that the over-arching theme is a correct premise. That theme is that politicians have advanced the concept of using fear in order to gain political power.”

    True, but it was not a new concept in 1949, or 1929. It has been used since we had “politicians”. The most radical change in the use of fear is the modern media, starting with the printing press. The New York Times has run global cooling & global warming scare stories since begging around 1910. The mixture of media and politicians and their interaction has grown and modernized to an amazing degree, comparable to wartime controls used by Germany and Russia, except it’s happening today, in THE freest nation in the world.

    “More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organised force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is in fact a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies.”

    al-Qaeda, threat is in fact a myth…..Didn’t we have some news stories about planes and buildings??? I think its safe to say al-Queda and all terrorist groups are a threat to a free society. The next threat may be PETA or any other wacko group wanting attention. I do agree the politicians use such threats for their benefit, but that does not mean they are not valid threats. May mean how we have dealt with them was not the best course of action.

    JAC,

    Some very interesting history in these video’s, will watch when I can & thanks for bringing them to our attention.

  11. Happy 4th to all…..and to all a Happy 4th….. A tip o’ th’ Red Bull to Matt….a cask of grog to DPM….star clusters at 9, DPM.

  12. Murphy's Law says:

    Happy 4th, everyone! If someone can tell me how to put a video on here, I will put the one of Acoustix singing Stars and Stripes Forever….I found it but don’t know how to bring it to the blog.

    But if you google Acoustix Stars and Stripes, you will get to it too. Acoustix is a barbershop quartet that won the gold medal in international competition the first year they were formed. They are part of the Vocal Majority men’s barbershop chorus based in Dallas that has won more international championships than any other group. My oldest son sang with them (Vocal Majority) for several years and knows all the men in Acoustix……and while I am tooting their horn, the Acoustix CD “Stars and Stripes” is the most wonderful collection of patriotic songs I have ever heard (plus a few others that are just fun- there is an arrangement of Unchained Melody that will just crack you up). USW, do you have that CD? If not I would like to send you one……I just keep one in my car CD player that I listen to all the time……

    Again……have a great 4th and remember the sacrifices USW, D13, G-man, Judy’s sons, and all the others who served have made on our behalf….a huge hug and kiss to all of you who have served.

    Thankful to my country and wanting to make it better,

    Murf

  13. Hope everyone has a great 4th of July weekend. Eat lots of good food, shoot off those polluting fireworks-just don’t set your garage on fire-did that once. Keep an eye on your dogs-I’ve had both kinds, the ones that run away and hide and the ones who attack those loud noise making monsters called fireworks. Nothing like chasing a dog with a rocket that’s about to explode in his mouth. On second thought, maybe (I) shouldn’t shoot off fireworks. 🙂

    • Murphy's Law says:

      When I was a kid, my family was celebrating the 4th at another family’s house…..there was a grocery bag of fireworks on their sidewalk with firecrackers, bottle rockets, Roman candles, etc in it. We kids had sparklers, running around, having a great time, adults watching us…..when a spark landed in the bag and first set off the firecrackers…..as things started exploding, the bag fell over towards the house, right in front of an open sliding glass door (perfect example of Murphy’s Law). We all watched helplessly (not daring to go near the bag) as ALL the fireworks went off, Roman candles shooting into the house across the floor, firecrackers exploding, bottle rockets, everything. It was amazing and terrifying, but the house did not catch fire. That was almost 50 years ago and of course I remember it like yesterday.

      Don’t ever want to repeat that one……:-)

      Murf

      • No, I don’t want to repeat my mishaps either but they are the stuff that memories are made of- hopefully after the fact they make one smile 🙂 Just can’t help laughing when I visualize the mass chaos that has been created when this kind of stuff happens. Gotta go-people are going to start arriving and I would hate to be sitting here in my house coat.

        • Murphy's Law says:

          I will never forget watching those balls of fire from the Roman candles shooting across their floor, and hitting the opposite wall. And still amazed there was no fire. Hell of a cleanup afterwards, though.

  14. TexasChem says:

    Open Thread: Democrats ‘Deem’ A Faux Budget Was ‘Passed’
    By NB Staff (Bio | Archive)
    Sat, 07/03/2010 – 09:14 ET

    Refusing to actually create a real budget for 2011, Democrats on Thursday “deemed” they already passed one:

    Last night, as part of a procedural vote on the emergency war supplemental bill, House Democrats attached a document that “deemed as passed” a non-existent $1.12 trillion budget. The execution of the “deeming” document allows Democrats to start spending money for Fiscal Year 2011 without the pesky constraints of a budget. The procedural vote passed 215-210 with no Republicans voting in favor and 38 Democrats crossing the aisle to vote against deeming the faux budget resolution passed. Never before — since the creation of the Congressional budget process — has the House failed to pass a budget, failed to propose a budget then deemed the non-existent budget as passed as a means to avoid a direct, recorded vote on a budget, but still allow Congress to spend taxpayer money.

    Thoughts?

    • Murphy's Law says:

      Is that what Obummer means by transparency from this administration? Since there’s no actual budget, there’s nothing to see, so…..it’s transparent. I get it now.

      Un-f***ing-believable.

      Murf

    • SK Trynosky Sr says:

      I do not think anything in history even comes close to what has been going on unless it was the abdication of responsibility for governance to the tyrant/dictator by the Roman Senate. What Caesar wants, Caesar gets, it is just so much easier that way, ask Nancy.

      “Ave Imperator, nos Morturi te salutamus”

  15. About to head to the hot springs and then BBQ with family and friends.

    Just wanted to wish everyone the happiest of 4th of July’s.

    Keep your spirits as high as the sky.

    The end of the world is NOT coming soon, nor is the end of our great republic.

    Take this weekend to give thanks for those who had the courage to try a new experiment called Freedom and Liberty. Strengthen your resolve and count your blessings.

    Happy 4th of July and a special shout out to Mr. Adams and Jefferson.

    JAC

  16. Happy Independence Day to all SUFAers!

    The music videos above are great and Murf – your favorite(?) firecracker memory is unbelievable! My son and some of his cousins started a (thankfully small) grass fire last week with fireworks at the cabin in northern Wisconsin and luckily a lot of us were around to deliver buckets of water from the lake to put it out.

    Stay safe and have fun everyone!

  17. A Once-Cherished Ideal For a New Nation

    “Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

    ‘Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!’ cries she

    With silent lips. ‘Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!’ “

    Emma Lazarus, The New Colossus, 1883

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