A One Night Holdover

I know that many of you are expecting the open mic to be posted in this spot this evening. As I write this on Monday night, I am already aware that I will not be able to publish on Tuesday night. I am traveling and will be arriving home too late to sit down and find topics and write about them. Additionally, I would like to focus a little on the election night coverage and hear what the talking heads are saying. My guess is that we will hear the following: GOP pundits will scream “We’re Alive” while telling us all that this is about voters rejecting the ultra-liberal agenda and reminding us that it was about the economy and that the voters understood that Obama’s policies were detrimental to economic recovery. Democrat pundits will tell us that these results don’t really mean anything and certainly are not a reflection on the people’s feelings on the President and his agenda. We are simply seeing the result of a flagging economy caused by George Bush that the people were not patient enough to wait for results. I will simply say they are all full of horsedookie and draw my own conclusions which I will offer up later in the week. As for the open mic, I will post it on Wednesday night rather than try to rush something Tuesday night. In the mean time, feel free to use this thread to begin any open mic topic discussions that you want to start without me! I will take any interesting ones and probably move them over to the new thread when I post it.

And so I don’t forget it…. Congrats to the SanFrancisco Giants on their World Series Victory. What outstanding pitching we got to see in all of the games.



  1. TexasChem says:

    If indeed the election results were about defining the Presidents Agenda then why are Pelosi, Reid, Waxman and Franks still holding their seats? I think it safe to say those were the Presidents heavy hitting Lieutenants in Congress.Does the government just dump huge amounts of flourine/chlorine in the drinking water in those districts or what?

    • Hi TC…..it is called “Gerry mandering”…that is how. It will be interesting to see how the redistricting lines are drawn now that there is such a large conservative governor contingent. That is where the real power will come from.

    • The “heavy hitting lieutenants” on either side are those who can afford to be more partisan. Reid would never be reelected in Indiana for instance. Instead we had “blue dogs” like Bayh, who could not afford to be too liberal. That’s why the worst politicians (the most partisan ones) will always be reelected. They are in districts that are too liberal (conservative) to ever vote for a Republican (Democrat).

  2. Oklahoma voters overwhelmingly voted English only…no more punching one for English and two for Spanish. Only language other than English considered is native american.
    Oklahoma voters overshelmingly voted in term limits (12 years)
    Oklahoma voters overshelmingly voted to prohibit state courts from considering international law or sharia law in their decisions.

    GO Okies…..

    • Oklahoma’s new female governor also says to learn from Texas model on how to balance budgets and live with it and how to be more independent of the Federal Government.

    • Go Okies for sure!

    • Yea Oklahoma!

    • Displaced Okie says:

      One of the weird things about about Oklahoma is that it used to be full of “FDR” democrats mixed with alot of legislate morality “bible-belt” types. There are/were lots of weird restrictive type laws on the books.Then about the time Reagan came along it started turning republican, but still legislating alot of morality-type laws. Then after Clinton(Oklahomans really despise the Clintons, lol) it turned very republican(even in the 2004 election, every single county went to Bush). In the last 10 years or so, I have noticed a trend towards backing alot of measures that restrict the government’s power, while also repealing restricive and regulatory laws(like the state no longer prohibiting tattoo parlors and abolishing motor vehicle inspections). I hope they continue this trend, maybe one day they will finally get rid of that pesky state income tax :).

      Happy Wednesday everybody,
      Displaced Okie

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      The real question D13 is whether or not Oklahoma residents (or hell, even Texas residents) can overshelmingly read and write English (even when it is their primary or sole language). 😉

      BTW – you cannot punch one for English AND two for Spanish. If you punch one then you cannot by definition of most IVR systems then punch two and expect Spanish. I will guess that you meant “or” rather than “and”.

      Also – native american is usually considered proper and therefore is capitalized to Native American. You also missed a “The” at the beginning of the sentence.

      Just sayin’!


      • Not much to do today, eh? I have repeatedly said that I cannot find a grammatically correct keyboard. I know what I WANT to say…it is just that the keyboard has not caught up with me yet. Also, I MUST talk to USW to have a blog that proof reads..I mean….after all. You know that COLONEL’s must always have a way out.

        Now, speaking of which…..what does overshelmingly mean? Or should it be…a “W”? Hmmmmm? Touche’

        • Ray Hawkins says:

          Well now – D13 – you had me confused in your original posting when you used “overshelmingly” twice. According to Urban Dictionary, “shelm” refers to a “really hot, unattainable guy”. So I am guessing that something overshelmingly refers to a guy that is something more than “really hot”. What say you D13?

          • whoops……do I feel sheeeeeeeeepish………..I did use that…OMG…..I told you this keyboard was evil.

            As to being hot……ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm perhaps the missus could better answer that….but TMI, donchaknow.

    • As bad as I hate to say it. It sounds like OK is going to spend a lot of time in Federal Court trying to defend the will of their citizens.

      Good for them for standing up and voting their convictions anyway.

  3. Lower house races all over the country go decidedly conservative…even in my own state of Texas where most democrats are moderate…it looks like over 20 lower house seats went more conservative.

    • All top posts went conservative, all criminal court judges went conservative, all State Supreme court judges went conservative. Ag commisioner, railroad commission…all conservative.

      These are not bible belt conservatives either…the extreme religious right got soundly defeated as well. Fiscal issues and border security were driving issues. Much tougher border actions on the horizon. Redistricting lines will be redrawn (as it always is)…

      How goes it in other states?

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Hey D13 – I voted somewhat late yesterday – was a long day at work so when the wife/baby got home about same time we just fired up some homemade Beef Stew I’d made over the weekend. I was quite exhausted so once the little one was in bed and wife shortly after I muddled around with the canines a bit, cleaned things up and figured I’d channel surf a little. My first stop was MSNBC and I managed to stomach a short sequence where they had Michelle Bachmann and the Eric Cantor on – two things I’ll remark:

        (1) The MSNBC talking heads were embarrassing and appalling in their treatment of the two. Completely unprofessional, ignorant, ranting lunatics (Olbermann, Matthews, Maddow, O’Donnell) – they may have permanently lost a part-time viewer (I still time to time watch Maddow when I get tired of watching paint dry) – look – I’m not a fan of Bachmann (one of the “Women of the Corn”) or Cantor – but for one moment can we put the vitriol aside and ask some semi-reasonable questions? Matthews haranguing Bachmann over the “impeach anti-americanism behavior” stance and Maddow and O’Donnell carping endlessly with Cantor over tax breaks and deficit management. To be fair – both politicians suffer from the “I will never answer a question directly” syndrome – but my response to the whole thing was **click** – the TV went off, I grabbed a book and read myself to sleep with a large German Shepherd / Husky mix snoring on the floor beside me.

        (2) How quickly hate-rhetoric falls by the wayside with cheery platitudes and “the voters have spoken and…….”. I am very tempted to shut my f’in phone down permamently and to start watching TV via the web only. Voters who actually take the time to vet candidates I feel are dwindling and dwindling and dwindling. An almost dead breed. Replaced we are by the growing fickle voter – latching on to whatever empty-headed sloganeering is better packaged by whichever candidate. I will prognosticate for 2012 and say that no matter whom the GOP picks as a candidate and no matter what Obama does in the next two years (or does not do for that matter) you will likely see a GOP POTUS enter office – there is way more money that flows into the GOP, they are far better marketers and better at messaging, and – BIG AND – if the House does not Newt itself they will leverage the “no compromises” approach in a most astonishing way to paint POTUS and the Senate as the evildoers.

        Get ready folks. This roller coaster just got real interesting.

        • You are right about that. It will be interesting to watch the fight between the “new” repubs to see if they can change it…or if the Potomac Fever will once again be an unstoppable virus.

          The down ticket races really intrigued me. I saw a huge conservative bend. As I said, Texas went more conservative but did not go to the religious right and even in bible spouting West Texas…it went decidely fiscally conservative but the religious right took it on the chin. It APPEARS….APPEARS (time will tell) that independent, freedom people were swept in. I know it was that way in the court system….our Supreme Court is elected, here, and the court went overwhelmingly conservative. Enforce what we have on the books…quit trying to come up with new laws and tell the Feds to take a leap of a short bridge…..we shall see.

          Glad that you and the youngun are doing well…today it is cold and rainy…definitely a chili or stew day. Thinking about firing the grill up and crocking…..chili mean is already browned. AND…..NO TOMATOS. Leave that to the New Yorkers. Plenty of Jalepenos and no beans of course….cant ruin chili. Beans on the side. Black iron skillet corn bread….and who knows what else. Have a great day, sir.

          • Colonel Sir. Your Chili Recipe sounds extremely interesting.

            Do you gots a recipe, or is it a closely held family secret?

            By the way, Tomatoes are not a New York thing. At least I don’t think. We put Tomatoes in it in GA also. And Beans. But I believe that comes from our propensity for gardens.

            But I’m always willing to try new things, so where can I get a recipe?

      • Arkansas results

        Governor Mike Bebee won re-election, moderate Democrat
        Senate, Blanch got the boot from Repug. Boozman
        House flipped from 3 Dem’s & 1 Repug to 3 Republicans

    • D13, what’s up in southern Texas? Saw a glimpse of big map last night – TX overwhelming red with a patch of blue in the south?

      • Yep….there is a small patch of Hispanic Blue down there….around brownsville…always has been there but it is smaller today than it was….however, I am not overly concerned about it as it is actually a moderate enclave. I do not care republican or democrat….but I do care about liberal/conservative.

  4. Happy Story 🙂

    Toddler survives seven-floor fall in France

    – Tue Nov 2, 2:56 pm ET

    PARIS (AFP) – An 18-month-old boy survived after falling seven floors and bouncing off a Paris cafe awning into the arms of a passer-by, witnesses said Tuesday.

    “My son saw a little boy on a balcony. He had gone right outside the railing… I said to myself I mustn’t miss him,” the toddler’s saviour, local doctor Philippe Bensignor, told AFP, recounting Monday’s drama.

    “I had time to move from side to side to get in the right position,” he added. “The little boy was fine. He cried a little bit but calmed down straightaway.”

    An official involved in investigating the incident said the boy had been left alone in the family apartment in northern Paris with his sister by their parents, who were taken into custody afterwards.

    “It’s a real miracle,” said the cafe’s barman, who gave his name as Gaby, pointing to a small tear in the awning where the toddler bounced off.

    “We were closed yesterday but the mechanical device for closing the awning wasn’t working.”

  5. November 03, 2010
    ACORN files for bankruptcy
    Rick Moran, American Thinker
    They blame their troubles on “right wing extremists” and the shadowy conspiracy against them. But really, even before the Breitbart expose, they were having massive financial difficulties and their finances were so screwed up, investigators looking into the embezzlement of $900,00 by the co-founder’s brother Dale Rathke couldn’t follow the money train.

    So this is a little disingenuous:

    The ongoing political onslaught caused irreparable harm. This effort was a clear attempt to cast a shadow over the historic 2008 Presidential election, and set up a far right counter offense. Through those attacks we re-tooled and re-organized. Then again came the right-wing media blitz. This time of edited videos that misrepresented our mission, and consequently misled the public. The pressure and cost of defending ourselves in multiple investigations as a result of the falsified videos has eroded our organization. As a result we will be filing Chapter 7 bankruptcy by close of business today.

    We have seen this coming for some time. Our chapters closed in the first quarter of the year. We have spent our remaining resources trying to dissolve the organization with integrity, while continuing to respond to the extremist attacks. Allegations and reports will continue to try to undermine all that ACORN has done, often searching for evidence from long before I became CEO.

    Don’t worry, they’re not going anywhere. They’ve simply reorganized and renamed their operations. The money is still flowing, the registration drives are still going on – the only difference is that there is no longer an ACORN to kick around any more.

    Damn – just when it was getting fun to do so.

  6. Well what can I say, CA did not legalize weed but too many were smoking yesterday. The D’s swept all state offices. They also got their wish to pass budgets with a simple majority in the legislature instead of a 2/3 vote. So they are in total control of the state. The CARB global warming efforts will continue unabated since Prop 23 to delay it until unemployment goes down to 5.5% was defeated. So CA will continue to bleed jobs. China, India, NE, AZ, TX should be celebrating.

    Sorry to say, Boxer is back for another 6 years. The unions ran an ad on Carly moving 30,000 jobs overseas during the last 2 weeks that basically sealed the election for Boxer. It showed former HP workers crying about losing their jobs. I remember Carly warning CA at the time those jobs were in jeapardy if CA did not change its ways. It did not, in fact piled more crap on businesses so the jobs left. Carly did not respond to the ad with the facts.

    The unions now have cart blanche in the state. They won virtually every race.

    • T-Ray

      You forgot to mention that they even elected a DEAD person.

      If I were you I would be looking for greener pastures pretty damn quick.

    • T-Ray,

      I read something about they passed a proposition allowing the budget to be passed with a simple majority? With a Republican house, when California goes bankrupt, there will be no bailout.

      Also outraged they voted down parental notification when a child has an abortion.

      • Meanwhile, in California . . .

        . . . . We no longer need a 2/3 majority to pass a budget — but a 2/3 majority is still needed to raise taxes.

        Isn’t that interesting? A slight majority can vote to spend money, but a 2/3’s majority is needed to agree on how to pay for it

        • And…Maxine Waters received almost 80% of the vote! What a joke…her partner on the other coast, Rangle, also garnered 80% of the vote. It is utterly amazing that these crooks keep getting elected…gerrymandering indeed.

          • Agree. Barny Franks is what gets to me the most, the single most responsible individual for Fannie/Freddie, and he’s re-elected.

            • SK Trynosky Sr/. says:

              Let us not forget the wonderful future president of the United States, Andrew Cuomo. Hoorah!

          • Well, Waters and Rangle’s ethics reviews will now come up – how convenient to not hold them before the elections. I guess if they are dumped tho, the governor selects their replacements? Let’s see, that would be Brown and Cuomo. Yeah, OK.

          • The legislature lost control of redistricting. Both the legislature and congressional seats will be redistricted by a citizens committee. So there is some sliiiim hope for change the next time around. The only positive out of the simple majority budget rule is that the D’s will own the results. Unfortunately my faith in CA voters is that even with more dismal failure, they still will not vote them out of office. Bankruptcy would be best. The sooner the better.

    • T-Ray, you are more than welcome here in WI! We are now a RED state! Or as mentioned above, Oklahoma seems to have their act together.

    • SK Trynosky Sr/. says:

      NY and Cal are hopeless cases. It will be interesting to watch them unravel over the next few years. There was no change in the NY legislature and California re-elected (seriously that is what it was) one of the guys responsible for beginning the slide of the state years ago. I guess he wanted to come back to finish the job. Turn the lights out in four years and hand the keys to Mexico.

      Note to Nevada, Oregon and Arizona: Militarize your borders with California. The ones with money will be the first out the door and then they will try to “improve” you.

  7. Common Man says:

    Well here in Michigan we now have a new governor, Rick Snyder, a self-proclaimed nerd and the former COO of Gatewway. I met the guy about two weeks ago at a fund raiser, but he didn’t have much too say. Most of his comments were very blue sky and along the lines of smaller government, lower taxes, industry creates jobs, etc, etc. Must have gotten him one of those professional political advisors, because no one really knows what or how he is going to go about doing anything. I suspect that is because he isn’t sure himself.

    Our current governor “The Idiot” will most likely keep a low profile from this point forward and pander herself to the Dem’s in hopes of landing something down the road. I hope whatever she winds up doing involves her leaving Michigan

    I did watch some of the election results last night and I have concluded that the American people did not vote Republicans in, they voted to stop the ravaging incumbents.

    There was a large turnout this time and from what I heard most of the people at the polls were just plain fed up with the crap coming out of government. I hope that is a sign of a continued awakening, however I tend to believe as does Ray; the attention to details by the masses will dwindle and Washington won’t really change that much.

    But, the sun is shining, there has been heavy frost the last few mornings, the deer are in rut and I will again be in the woods this weekend hunting backstraps


    • CM: Don’t know where your hunting grounds are but I see deer EVERY time I hit my property near Jackson. They hang out in packs..3&4 strong! Plenty of state land available in the Waterloo Rec Area. Happy hunting!

      • Herds…..Anita…..Herds. 🙂

      • Common Man says:


        We are practically neighbors. My brother-in-law lives off of Henry Rd near Rives Junction. And yes there are a passel of them critters roaming the woods. My brother-in-law and his wife both took bucks this past weekend. He got a huge (130 class) eight point, that dressed out to 190 lbs, and his wife knocked down her first buck with a bow, a 7 point.

        The land is prety much Oak groves with swamp and farmland around it. It is riddle with Doe’s, so much so that we have estimated about a 15 – 1 ratio. We are doing our best to thin out the Doe’s, because last year the big Buck’s just sat on their fat butt’s and waited for the girls to come to them.

        If I know how to post a picture I would include one of my brother-in-laws wall hanger; he is a brute.


    • You are correct CM…it was not a republican issue..it was throw the established bastards out….soem were left….but some of the teeth pulled as well….hope the “fever” does not get the newbies.

  8. GOP sweep in Michigan. Governor, AG, Sec of State.

    Dingell makes it for his 29th term. 29? yes 29!

    Congrats to John Kasich (R) for taking Ohio. They say as Ohio goes so goes the nation on presidential elections.

  9. All I can say is WTH! !*&^%! *&^^&*%

    In Massachusetts, perhaps only Massachusetts, local voters report from the 8th Suffolk Representative District that the following “Public Policy Question” #4 was on the ballot–even though it was never approved to appear on the ballot. ”Shall the state representative from this district be instructed to vote to amend the state constitution to allow Massachusetts voters, through a law enacted by initiative petition, to vote to delegate their powers concerning international affairs to a democratically elected legislative body of a global federal union of democratic nations?”

    You can see the ballot information/document here:

    • TexasChem says:

      I know everyone is taking in the elections an all BUT,BUT; this concerns American sovereignty people! Do you get it? How can something like this even be on the ballot?It is inconceivable that someone would even consider this!

  10. Reid wins…………darn it.

    Seems like most times I’m wrong is when I second guess myself.

    Here is a pretty good summary of how Reid won the election. I think it might open some eyes as to how our political system functions. And I don’t think you will like it.


    • Sickening…

    • Also, apparently the name collecting threatening email from the casino bosses to their employees for voting for Reid had to help. Read that Drudge has copy of email – haven’t read it yet.

      • I read it…there was a spreadsheet with all employees who hadn’t voted and their manager had to answer why. The casinos had buses available for all to ride to their respective polling places. I have seen the same in Louisiana with the Mary Landrieu campaign a few years ago, but in her case it was made available for anyone in the inner city of New Orleans.

        • “Court allows casino vote that may boost Obama

          A view of the marquee sign in front of the Harrah’s Las Vegas casino on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada, December 12, 2007. A federal judge on Thursday allowed Nevada’s Democratic Party to conduct voting to choose a presidential nominee in casino hotels on the Las Vegas Strip, a decision likely to boost Sen. Barack Obama. REUTERS/Las Vegas Sun/Steve Marcus/Files

          A view of the marquee sign in front of the Harrah’s Las Vegas casino on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada, December 12, 2007. A federal judge on Thursday allowed Nevada’s Democratic Party to conduct voting to choose a presidential nominee in casino hotels on the Las Vegas Strip, a decision likely to boost Sen. Barack Obama.

          Credit: Reuters/Las Vegas Sun/Steve Marcus/Files

          By Adam Tanner

          LAS VEGAS | Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:15pm EST

          LAS VEGAS (Reuters) – A federal judge on Thursday allowed Nevada Democrats to hold presidential voting in casino hotels on the Las Vegas Strip, potentially helping Sen. Barack Obama in the next round of the campaign on Saturday.

          For the first time, Nevada Democrats planned to set up nine locations for Saturday’s vote so casino shift workers, who are largely represented by a union that endorsed Obama, could attend caucuses and vote for a presidential candidate.

          A teachers’ group filed a lawsuit saying the fact that only workers around the casinos could vote at their workplaces was unfair, but Judge James Mahan of the U.S. District Court for Nevada rejected their request for an injunction.

          “The Democrats can set up their own rules just as the Republicans can,” the judge said. “It is not up to some federal judge to come along and say, I don’t like that.”

          As to any confusion in the rules, Mahan quoted U.S. humorist Will Rogers: “I’m not a member of any organized group. I’m a Democrat.”

          A large turnout of casino workers could boost Obama, of Illinois, in his tight race against New York Sen. Hillary Clinton because he is backed by the Culinary Union, which represents 60,000 hotel service workers.

          “I think the judge was clear that you can’t change the rules six days before the caucus, and any alterations would have disenfranchised the maids, dishwashers, bellhops who work on the Strip,” Obama said in San Francisco.

          Other Nevadans will meet in locations near their homes to vote in the next in a series of state-by-state contests to choose Democratic and Republican nominees.

          Similar to Iowa, the voting in Nevada is done in caucuses, or gatherings, rather than by individual polling.

          “The Obama campaign got the endorsement of the Culinary Union so I think that will help them at the at-large (casino) precincts,” said Jill Derby, chair of the Nevada State Democratic Party.

          UNION MUSCLE

          Obama, who like Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards has actively campaigned across Nevada in recent days, may need the boost. According to a Las Vegas Review-Journal poll to be released later on Thursday, Clinton leads Obama by nine points in a new survey. They did not release the margin of error.

          Yet the Culinary Union is the state’s most influential labor group and its activists are talking to members in workers’ cafeterias in the famed Strip hotels and knocking on doors urging its members to turn out for Obama.

          On Wednesday, the Review-Journal gave a tepid endorsement to Obama, noting that although Clinton frequently cites her experience for the job “in fact she’s a one-term-plus-a-year senator … Obama is, at least, likable.”

          Unlike presidential primary elections in most U.S. states, the Nevada Democratic caucus requires participants to stand in the open in groups to support the candidates.

          Any member not backing the union choice would be visible, especially those voting together with co-workers on the Strip instead of locations near homes.

          Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have in recent days voiced concern about the fairness of the Strip caucuses, while Obama was displeased by the lawsuit that came almost immediately after he won the Culinary Union endorsement last week.

          Republicans are also holding caucuses in Nevada on Saturday but will not have any sites at the casino hotels.

          Some members of the culinary union suspected the case was motivated by Clinton supporters after the Obama endorsement, but Lynn Warne, president of the Nevada State Education Association, denied that and said she only learned of the details of the casino voting plan last week.”


          It was bad enough in 2007 but they were allowed to use unfair and sleazy methods-they worked-so this year they just took those methods and made them even more reprehensible.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      @JAC – so the fact that the GOP put up an un-electable candidate somehow gets ignored? (much like Delaware – where I may add – polling showed that Castle would have won in a landslide)

      • Damn, Ray, I see where unacceptable candidates got elected all over the place…I mean, after all, Reid was unacceptable…but what a get out and vote manuver by the Clark County Unions…..wow. 🙂

      • Ray

        Couple of comments on yours.

        First, if you read the article you will see that Reid had his fingers in helping Angle get elected in the primary. This was known in Nevada and there was even mention of it in national media when the primary ran. And neither Angle nor O’Donnel were the Republican Party candidates. Except in title per the State Laws.

        Second, what “people say about the polls” back before the primaries is worthless information. In fact I would bet it was “disinformation”. At the time probably put out by the mainstream elephants in hopes of discouraging the tea party types. Remember, the polls had Angle up by 2 to 4% going into Tuesday and she lost by almost 10. That is a 12 to 14% swing. There was something real hincky going on in either the polls or in the election, or both.

        As for Del. Castle may have had a legit chance because he would have had Party money on the ground right away. But the fact is that we have no way of really knowing what would of happened.

  11. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t where I live. We still have Dan “the tax man” as our county executive even though he lost for gov. I looked at the polling numbers by county on fox news he only won philly area and scranton, finished behind (but close) in his own county.

    I would wager that now that he isn’t running for govenor here comes the tax increases that he always threatened/wanted but couldn’t mention because he has always had his sights set on higher office.

  12. Just wondering if the Repugs will play with Congress’s oversight and subpoena powers? I think it may be dependent on how the Dem’s act during their lame duck…..

    Administration takes transparency hits with GOP on cusp of oversight power
    By Jordy Yager and Bob Cusack – 11/02/10 11:22 AM ET

    The Obama administration’s transparency and accounting methods have been publicly lambasted on a range of issues over the last couple of months.

    The criticism comes as Republicans are expected to win control of at least one chamber of Congress on Tuesday and, with it, gain new oversight and subpoena powers.

    In a report issued last month, Neil Barofsky, the special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), suggested the administration was playing accounting games to make it look like the government was regaining more money from TARP than it actually was.

    Barofsky accused the Treasury Department of concealing $40 billion in likely taxpayer losses on the AIG bailout. Barofsky, who was confirmed by the Senate in 2008 after the Wall Street bailout passed, granted several interviews on his report.

    He told The New York Times, “In our view, this is a significant failure in their transparency.”

    Treasury officials strongly disputed Barofsky’s findings, pointing to a difference in methodology.


  13. Socrates lays out the coming EVIL DUCK agenda.

    As CNN.com said last month, Democrats may wait for the results of the president’s bipartisan fiscal commission on Dec. 1. But that leaves November to pass a budget resolution and to get their final lame ducks in a row. Then, in December, with the clock ticking on their last chance at power for a very long time, Democrats will have to pursue the following:

    * Cap and Trade
    Even though the EPA has determined to institute its own system for carbon trading, Congress has the Constitutional authority to tax, cementing a cap and trade system in law rather than in EPA rule-making.
    * Value Added Tax
    The President’s commission may recommend a VAT, under which a small percentage of the value of an item is added to its cost at each step in production.It’s a great way to stifle economic growth, and governments that implement it soon find that they cannot do without it — and without increasing it.
    * Bush Tax Cuts to Expire for the “Rich”
    They want this. They really want this. It’s not a question of what works, or that each person is treated equally by the law. It’s a question of fairness. By their definition, it’s unfair unless everyone ends up eating the same thin gruel.
    * Union Bailouts
    Expect to hear about it November 3, and for Congress to act before December 15. The fine folks over at Labor Union Report lay it all out in disgusting detail.
    * Seizing the funds in our IRA and 401(k) plans
    To pay for the union pension bailout, the Marxist Tom Harkin wants to steal your retirement savings. It’s not fair that some have more than others, according to these thieves. If the Democrats want to find themselves without a single officeholder anywhere in the country in 2013, they need to proceed on this matter.
    * Additional “Stimulus”
    * Golden Parachutes
    I almost put these last two together. But if you were leaving power for good, and you lacked any sense of decency, what would you do? Why, you’d grant yourself a piece of yummy pork from the Treasury, that’s what you’d do. And they will, unless someone raises a big enough fuss.


  14. Two questions…..on the really close votes…….what happened to the military ballots?

    And, can anyone on here defend the POTUS’ trip to India with 40 aircraft, 3,000 people and a 200 million dollar per day price tag for ten days? I would like to hear a rational thought other than ” executive privilege ” or a “perk”.

    • Stimulating the economy????

    • 10 days? I thought it was 2 days? 2 billion dollars for 10 days? TWO BILLION DOLLARS FOR 10 DAYS?

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      @D13, @TexasChem, @LOI – please pardon my ignorance (or in TexasChem’s words – my miserable public education) – but can you guys point me to a reliable source other than “an anonymous Indian government official” for support of this $200 million/day pricetag? I don’t get it – nor do I think anyone in the Indian government would realistically have that level of visibility into the details and budget for the trip.

      • Hmmmmmmm.. I dont think so Ray….I have just heard it repeated now for several days on the news and radio….I do know that the 41 aircraft is something true though ( I can check that out ) ….I dont know what the total number of rooms is and I did hear 3,000…I question the amount….but still, it does not matter….why 3000 people and 41 aircraft to India? (I think that I heard correctly on the 3000 people)

        I know that Four Marine helicopters have been broken down and sent and 12 limos….I can check that out through military sources but cannot confirm the rest….just what I have been hearing…has no one else heard this?

        • Ray Hawkins says:

          D13 – in the 5-10 minutes I spent looking everything is being sourced back to the same “anonymous Indian government official”.

          I’m not saying it isn’t possible – if its true it seems, uh, excessive? It’d be nice to see a cleaner link to the facts that’s all.

      • TexasChem says:

        I’m not sayin’ yo’ some miserable sucka’, plum dat da damn educashun system be miserably ineffective at da damn educashun uh our yung.It’s not educashun it’s indoctrinashun. 🙂

      • Ray,

        So far it appears all reports are based on that one Indian story. Does it make you wonder why none of our media is talking about it, even if to just question it, or rebut? Where is Chris Mathews or Joy the “attack dog”?


        • Ray Hawkins says:

          LOI – I care not to speak for the media that I think you refer to – I think they occasionally manage to skip something because it APPEARS to lack credibility.

          As for Chris and Joy – imagine their offspring – could you imagine the horror?

        • I love some of the comments in this article. Especially the one about putting the President on a budget! What a concept.

        • Ah the Daily Mail a bastion of truth and knowledge………..

          There is a very good reason why non mail readers in the UK call it the Daily Fail.

  15. With no surprise, nothing changes.

    Congratulations to all the voters – the system is confirmed and stable.

    • I didn’t vote!

      • Someone must ask, might as well be me 🙂 Why?

        • Buck the Wala says:

          DPM kept him locked in the basement with a case of grog.

        • I just couldn’t get out of the office until 8-something. By the time I got home, I was too beat. Plus, I live in NY, so I’m exactly a swing vote.

          err.. I mean, um, uh.. I didn’t want to impose violence on non-violent people by casting a vote. Yea, that’s it, I swear!

      • I voted libertarian which is kind of like not voting.

    • No, you are wrong, BF. I’m seeing Red here in WI – that has never happened before. And, today isn’t the end, but the beginning. I’m very glad Feingold got booted, but if Ron Johnson, his replacement, doesn’t listen and do as the people want, he too, will be shown the door. This movement and awareness of the people is just getting going.

      Marco Rubio’s acceptance speech was great and right along those lines.

      • Kathy,

        In 6 months, let me know what changed. I will tell you right now what you will say: Nothing

        In a year, let me know what changed. I will tell you right now what you will say: Nothing

        In two years, let me know what changed. I will tell you right now what you will say: Nothing

        In 4 years, let me know what changed. I will tell you right now what you will say: Everything – but it will not be because you voted.

        • It isn’t just a matter of what changes-it’s a matter of what doesn’t happen-since one can’t prove what would or wouldn’t of happened -you can claim that my point is unprovable thus moot-but I think most people would agree that many planned policies were destroyed last night and I for one am very glad that happened.

          • V.H.

            Not one policy was derailed.

            The wars will go on.

            The budget deficit, measured in trillions, will continue.

            Not one thing will be cut from government expenditure.

            Business as usual.

            • Yes, bad policies were derailed-not permanently-but they’re not gonna happen this year. So as long as we have government and we are going to always have government-I’ll take it.

              • Bottom Line says:

                So lemme get this straight, bad policy isn’t gonna be derailed, except temporarily, and you know that eventually they’ll be back, because we will always have ever growing government,…but you’ll take it?

                So, you approve of bad policy?

              • That’s not what I said-I simply look at reality and believe doing something to try to help the situation works alot better than sitting around believing that somehow doing nothing to stop government will make government stop.

              • Bottom Line says:

                Opeative word “try”

                …as in, you’d rather waste your time trying than to accept that your voice is moot.

              • Bottom Line says:


                correction: “operative”

              • BL,

                And worse, -the “trying” actually steals energy from doing real things.

                Spinning tires on ice goes nowhere – no matter how hard it “tries” – but certainly prevents trying to put chains on the tires….

              • Bottom Line says:



                Nice metaphor.

              • Bottom Line says:


                Forgive me for my brashness.

                If you remember a couple of weeks ago, I made the comment to Kathy that the elections will change nothing, and that we will ony trade one huge mess for another form of the same mess…

                Well, this is the first day of a bunch of I told you so.

                Please allow me a little indulgence.


              • Indulge away 🙂 -I didn’t think you were brash-just wrong- He He 🙂

              • Bottom Line says:


                You think I’m wrong …for now, but we will see in due time


        • 6 months? What are you, an MSNBC pundit? That would be the type of question they would ask. How do you always say that? Gawd sakes (or something like that.)

          It has taken us at least 50 years to get to this point and it will take us a long time to downsize the massive cancer known as the federal government.

          My point is that finally, even in a state like WI that bleeds progressive, they are recognizing that bigger isn’t better (well at least in the case of government!). That is huge!

          I believe the tea party movement has done a lot in a short amount of time to get people to open their eyes, get involved and start expecting a responsive government. Russ Feingold brags always about how he visits every single county in the state for listening sessions. I’ve attended several (in more than just my county) and the constant requests from the audience has been less spending, less government, yet he continually has voted against these wishes. When I’ve called and/or emailed him, I’ve asked his staff what the ratio of callers has been (ie pro-Stimulus/against; same with health care). It’s always been more against, yet he voted for both of these. Bottom line, he hasn’t listened! Today, he’s realizing actions have consequences. It might seem like a babystep, but it is a step in the right direction.

          Do we sit back now and get fat dumb and happy again? Absolutely not! And realize, I’m not talking parties at all. I still will refuse to give any funds to the Republican party.

          You’ve got to admit, even in some small way, that what has transpired over the last couple years and the results yesterday are a positive step.

          • Kathy

            6 months? What are you, an MSNBC pundit? That would be the type of question they would ask. How do you always say that? Gawd sakes (or something like that.)

            It’s called “Public Choice Doctrine” – a theory based on political turmoil determining political policy.

            Government must maintain its present course – called “Delay the Collapse into the Future” – thus it will do nothing to “fix” the problem, nor avoid the Collapse – and may work to make it happen worse by attempting to delay it until later.

            But the Collapse will happen – and by using “Austrian Economic Theory” I can forecast approximately how long government can delay.

            It has taken us at least 50 years to get to this point and it will take us a long time to downsize the massive cancer known as the federal government.

            Nope. Never happen.

            Government downsizing is impossible for it would contradict the theory of government.

            It would be easier to destroy government then change it, because you have to destroy government to change it.

            My point is that finally, even in a state like WI that bleeds progressive, they are recognizing that bigger isn’t better (well at least in the case of government!). That is huge!

            Huge? No, pointless.

            Everyone “sees” the problem – it is impossible to act on it.

            I believe the tea party movement has done a lot in a short amount of time to get people to open their eyes, get involved and start expecting a responsive government.

            God help you if you want a more responsive government!!

            Russ Feingold brags always about how he visits every single county in the state for listening sessions.

            And what does he have after that?

            About 10,000 demands to use government violence to improve some people’s lives at the cost of other people.

            The only voice he will never hear? The one’s that yell – Stop! – because to hear that would mean a catastrophe (from his point of view).

            I’ve attended several (in more than just my county) and the constant requests from the audience has been less spending, less government, yet he continually has voted against these wishes.

            Because it means some people will suffer, while others will not.

            “Public Choice Doctrine” says that no people will suffer alone for the benefit of others by accepting a reduction of arbitrary grants.

            They will say “Why us, and not them?” – because from their point of view, the choice of cutbacks is arbitrary based on who got elected or what lobby was involved.

            They will see no justification other than mere “politics”.

            Thus, they will make life horrible for everyone – first, the politicians (like in France) by strikes. If that does not work, then it will be rampant violence against property (burning down city blocks). If that doesn’t work, it will be wholesale revolt.

            Bottom line, he hasn’t listened!

            Bottom line, he knows he can do nothing.

            75% say 25% need to suffer.
            25% say, “We will burn down your 75% of the city”.
            Politicians will dig in their feet and say “Not on my term!”

            Today, he’s realizing actions have consequences. It might seem like a babystep, but it is a step in the right direction.

            It’s called the side step. Do nothing but appear to be moving your feet.

          • Bottom Line says:

            Kathy – “Bottom line, he hasn’t listened! Today, he’s realizing actions have consequences. It might seem like a babystep, but it is a step in the right direction.”

            BL – I have indeed been listening, rather attentively in fact.

            I have taken everything in and thought it out, only to come full circle to confirm what I always knew, …even as far back as childhood…

            We the people have no voice.

            Politicians lie and tell the largest percentage of voters whatever it is that they think they want to hear…

            Then when elected, they cheat and steal, lie some more and claim to represent the will of the people(even though it is impossible as someone or everyone ALWAYS loses out).

            And as far as the baby step thing…understand that for every baby step the people take, government takes two giant steps.

            Laws on top of laws on top of more laws…the ever expanding government feeding off of the people they think of as serfs.

            They don’t give a damn what the people think, they just want their money and power and are willing to stoop low in order to have it.

            And by voting you accomplish nothing but to give your consent, give them support and a reason to call themselves legitimate.

            Don’t waste your time.

        • Bottom Line says:

          I second that.

          It even sounds kinda like some guy named “Black Order” that has been antagonizing “info-warriors” by explaining how and why their vote manages to do nothing but legitimize a corrupt and violent system, and how representative government is a farce.



          “He” also said some good stuff under the article titled “American People To Dems and GOP Get Out Of Office You Don’t Speak For Us”… but for some reason, I’m having trouble providing a link that displays the comment section.

          • Bottom Line says:

            Oh, yeah, and here’s another good one…


            # Black Order Says:
            October 28th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

            Even if Rand Paul WAS a real Libertarian…

            It doesn’t matter who’s in office(any office), they cannot truly represent, or save the people. The problem is the system itself…and the US system is a quagmire. The US system is set up as a pseudo-Republic oligarchy that has evolved to become socio-fascist in nature.

            No government (even the US) can allow you to live freely within it’s rule.

            Representative government cannot allow everyone to be represented. Representatives make and sign laws, laws that have to be enforced. Law enFORCEment uses violence and coercion to FORCE you to comply.

            How can a representative force you to live the way you choose, and force you to live as others choose at the same time?

            And how is being forced to live any particular way being free?

            Freedom is living as you choose without being governed by the standards of another.

            The only governance to freedom, the only acceptable boundary, is the point in which you encroach on the rights of others.

            How can your representative government protect your freedoms by violating them through coercion?

            So go ahead, legitimize the quagmire by voting for a pseudo-libertarian neocon(or a progressive liberal or anyone else for that matter) that promises what he cannot deliver – True freedom.

          • Hmm, yeah, see a lot of similarities between the “Black” brothers.

            • Bottom Line says:

              I originally came here as a somewhat confused and ignorant Libertarian still having a little faith in the system, but through countless debates and the ability to straighten out the inconsistencies in my logic, he has since, thus created a MONSTER.


            • Bottom Line says:

              Perhaps I will get a PHD in Political Science so I can antagonize my professors.

              I think I’ll title my thesis…

              “Natural Rights, Personal Responsibility, True Freedom, and Anarchy”

              …sub-titled “The Fallacy of Representative Government”

              …Or maybe I should just skip school and just write a book.

          • Commenter: “Somebody has got your mind all twisted up to the point you’re thinking irrationally. You equate government to violence (I guess you’re an anarchist).

            I wonder who that would be!

            Good job over there BO… I mean BL 🙂

            • Bottom Line says:


              Sweetleaf- “Commenter: “Somebody has got your mind all twisted up to the point you’re thinking irrationally. You equate government to violence (I guess you’re an anarchist).”

              BL – I think it’s more like “all un-twisted”.

              Sweetleaf – “I wonder who that would be!”

              BL – Well, I can’t give ALL the credit for my anarchism to BF. In my youthful rebellious years, I often entertained the thought of anarchism.

              The whole question of “Would you obey the police if they didn’t carry guns?” entered my mind somewhere around age 15 or 16, and I’ve always seen voting as a waste of time. I sometimes pondered the actual need for government and remember intensely debating it with my grandfather on the way to school once(boy was he aggravated)…so it’s not like I was an “anarchy virgin” so to speak. I eventually just abandoned the idea because I had dismissed it as an immature rebellious phase.

              I basically confused conformity with maturity, but cannot deny that every time I got a citation or speeding ticket, those old thoughts would return…or when my blood pressure would rise while watching “COPS”.

              It’s always been there as I have a deep seeded, instinctual and profound sense of freedom. I am very much in touch with my NATURAL rights.

              What I credit BF with is allowing me to break from my shell, to have given me the ability to make logical sense of it. He has managed to force me to shed many of my rationalizations and has straightened out my own contradictions so that I have a more complete and definitive understanding.

              Call it the missing links in my idealism.

              Thanks, Flag.

              Sweetleaf – “Good job over there BO… I mean BL ”

              Thanks. I guess you could say that I’m passing it forward. Ya know…

              Youth is King.

              Learning is Fun.

              Teaching is a Reward.

              Knowledge is Power.

              Truth is Freedom.

              Order out of Chaos.


              And BTW, I tried to change from BL to BO, but it just didn’t take. I realized this when I was goofing off with nonsense names and was still referred to as BL.

              Too late…at SUFA, I am forever “Bottom Line”.

        • Common Man says:


          In the few short months that I have listened to wise folks on this site I have gained a great deal of insight, intelligence and common sense. That is rather monumental considering I was somewhat ignorant relative to government and politics in general. So, in a few short months, which also included a great amount of self study, I am now a different person. My morals have not changed, but my tolerance and foundation for that tolerance has grown. My understanding of a Republic is now true as is my appreciation of liberty and freedom.

          I have gone from a staunch republican to almost an Anarchist; but not totally as I still believe some form of government is needed.

          Although I have an above average intelligence, I do not consider myself to be a genius; more of a common man.

          If I can re-set my barometer in just a few short months then so can the majority of others.

          My point? As a people we have realized a great wakening, one that could inspire a path to the return of what was once a prosperous nation.

          Remember it took over a 100 years to get to this point of re-discovery, and now we have to go about restructuring. It will take time and a constant vigilance, and if we can maintain that vigilance we have a good shot at turning the fishes head; so to speak.

          You could at least acknowledge the ideal, as opposed to pissing all over it and ho-humming


          • CM

            ….almost an Anarchist; but not totally as I still believe some form of government is needed.

            Always start with your definition of “government”, and work through it.

            Only two consequences will resolve:

            (1) government cannot exit


            (2) you will be trying to justify violence on non-violent people.

            Although I have an above average intelligence, I do not consider myself to be a genius; more of a common man.

            Do not under-estimate the genius of common men – civilization was built by them.

            You could at least acknowledge the ideal, as opposed to pissing all over it and ho-humming

            I have found that sugar coating the Truth, just because it maybe harsh, tends to turn the Truth into a convenient lie.

            • Buck the Wala says:

              “Do not under estimate the genius of common men – civilization was built by them”

              So was government.


              • Buck,

                Sorry, no, government does not come from the genius of men.

                It derives directly from the brutes of men.

                Government are men who, unable to convince their fellows of the brilliance of their ideas, will resort to violence to enforce it anyway.

                Thus, these men must have one of two failings.

                Either they are not articulate
                Their ideas are bad.

                Politicians gain votes by brilliant articulation – they would not be where they are if they could not speak.

                Thus, it must mean their ideas are bad.

                Thus, the only way their bad ideas can come to life is by violent enforcement on other men.

                This is where government comes from and is the anti-thesis of genius

              • Buck the Wala says:

                I dunno BF — seems to me that EVERY civilization has had some form of government. If civilization is the ‘genius of men’, then so must be government as well. They go hand in hand.

              • Buck,

                But your claim is factually not true.

                Some civilizations have had no government (but plenty of organization).

                I would say that government has been pervasive over most of human history – as a testament to the fact the violence is profitable – and legitimized violence is the most profitable.

                Further, I will adjust my “genius” comment as I can agree that occasionally genius can be evil.

                But I will say “brilliant genius” is not evil – for brilliance as a measure of society upon a man is only given if the aggregate of individuals claim with great uniformity that such a man done a great service to his species.

                As such, few have ever been called this.

              • Buck the Wala says:

                Which civilizations have had no government? When does ‘organization’ become government?

                There’s a very fine line here of what does and does not constitute government.

            • Common Man says:


              I will continue to study, but on another note:

              See LOF’s posting #18.

              “Quantitative Easing” / This in absolutely nuts!!! It could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

              Experta are saying that even if it works the dollar will decline another 20+%, and if it doesn’t work…who knows.

              As far as I know this has never been done before anywhere in the world with positive results.

              I am wondering if actions of this nature will even push us to a point that Gold and Silver are useless; simply because you can’t eat either.

              What do we look for post this madness realtive to collapse?


              • Common Man,

                Debasing the currency is a time-honored method of government to solve its debts.

                We learn from history that 100% of the time, it never worked.

                But, why not try using evil one more time — the People love evil too much to try something else…..


                Gold and Silver is NOT what you want to rely on in a complete collapse – as you say, you can’t eat it.

                It is what you want during the inevitable recovery. It is the “reboot” for you and your family so that you can shoot ahead of the millions in competition. It will allow you to run, while those without will have to crawl.

                But “in the middle” – location, food storage and community – that is the key.

                The collapse will not be “civil war”.

                It will be “the Fed simply don’t matter any more”.

                When the government checks bounce, people will look locally – and that is where the “new world order” will come – the dissolution of politics back to politics of neighbors and community – where the man you elect is your neighbor who will have to live with you next door.

              • Bottom Line says:

                BF – “Gold and Silver is NOT what you want to rely on in a complete collapse – as you say, you can’t eat it.”

                BL – Actually, That was me,several months ago(maybe even a year), harping on the inedible gold thing…not that it’s important…

                Just sayin’

                BF – “When the government checks bounce, people will look locally – and that is where the “new world order” will come – the dissolution of politics back to politics of neighbors and community – where the man you elect is your neighbor who will have to live with you next door.”

                BL – Yep, it’ll be a New World “Black Order” out of Chaos.


    • THank you for the congrats….we changed a lot in Texas….can’t say the country though….but a lot in Texas. NOw…I will await the result of it….if there is no result, I will eat my words…and I hate “crow”…we shall see.

    • ‘I haven’t left my house in days.
      I watch the news channels incessantly.
      All the news stories are about the election;
      all the commercials are for Viagra and Cialis.
      Election, erection, election, erection –

      Either way we’re getting screwed!’ — Bette Midler.

      • 😀

      • Lubricant (A little bird told me this)

        Murphy’s old lady had been pregnant for some time and now the
        time had come.

        He took her to the doctor and she had a little boy. The
        doctor looked over at Murphy and said. “Hey, Murph! Your wife just had you a son, isn’t that grand!!’

        Murphy got excited by this, but just then the doctor spoke up
        and said, “Hold on! We aren’t finished yet!”

        The doctor then delivered a little girl.

        He said, “Murph! You’ve got a daughter too!!! She’s a pretty
        little thing, too.”

        Murphy was puzzling over this and then the doctor exclaimed,
        “Hold on, we aren’t finished yet!”

        The doctor then delivered another boy and said, “Murph, your
        wife just gave you another boy!”

        Dumbfounded, Murphy said to the doctor, “Doc, what d’ ya
        figger caused all of dem dere babies like dat?”

        The doctor said, “Well Murph, it was probably something that
        happened during conception.”

        Murphy said, “Ah yeah…durin’ da conception.”

        When Murphy and his wife went home with their three babies,
        he sat down with his wife and said,

        “Mama, ya remember dat dere night we ran out of Vaseline and
        we had to use dat dere 3-in-1 Oil?”

        She said, “Ya, I remember dat night…”

        Murphy said, “I tell ya what….it’s a good ting we didn’t
        use WD-40.”

  16. I’m looking forward to Doc’s column … in the meantime here’s what will stir his blood for sure …


    • Charlie,

      “we at TK also want national health insurance,( how ’bout we standardize insurance and allow it across state lines first? Consider, we do need the overall model for how health insurance policies should be written, which wat was passed has left everyone even more confused)

      “an absolute restriction on campaign contributions” Does this include union or only apply to the CofC and NRA?

  17. Common Man says:

    I just caught the last few minutes of obama’s press conference…Wow! I’m searching for words…let’s see…depressed, humbled, weary…NAH!

    Beaten and beaten like a rented mule.

    I believe he was completely overshelmed by the elections. His posture was slightly weakened, his mannerizums were neutral, his tone was shaken. He stood there like a man who had just walked in on his wife and best friend in bed together.

    I am betting he did not get much sleep last night from all the tossing and turning he did in bed.

    It seemed like he just came to the realization that the majority of American’s out there do not like him much.

    I really think the election results caught him like a sucker punch in the gut.

    If anyone caught it let me know if I am all wet, because I only caught the last 10 minutes.


  18. As with #5 post, kinda interesting timing on this…………..

    Fed Will Buy Another $600B in Treasurys; Leaves Rates Unchanged

    By Tom Granahan

    Published November 03, 2010

    | FOX Business

    If you didn’t know what “quantitative easing” was when you woke up Wednesday, you probably will soon.

    Federal Reserve bankers came out of their two-day Federal Open Market Committee meeting this afternoon with some blockbuster, if not wholly unexpected, news: the Fed will purchase about $600 billion more in long-term Treasurys by the end of the second quarter of 2011 in an effort to further prop up the U.S. economy. The Fed will also continue its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments from its current securities holdings.

    Of course, this will be the second go-round for quantitative easing – a fancy way of saying the Fed is going to print more money – and questions abound. Namely, is it needed and will it work?

    “Eventually, the labor market will improve, and Bernanke and his chums will take credit for what would have happened anyway without any assistance from the Fed,” said Ed Yardeni, the president of Yardeni Research. “The problem is that they will have to drain lots of reserves from the banking system once this happens by selling their Treasuries. The resulting backup in bond yields could then depress the economy and the labor markets. QE-2.0 is simply a very bad idea.”

    In its assessment of the economy, the central bankers said household spending is getting somewhat better but is still being reined in by high unemployment, soft income growth, lower housing wealth and tight credit. Business spending is on the rise, but not at the pace that it was earlier in the year. Commercial real estate is still weak, too.

    The Fed left the target on short-term interest rates within the already established range of 0-0.25%.

    Stocks gyrated violently as the announcement was released, but the major stock market indexes were generally trading where they were before the announcement about 15 minutes afterwards.

    The Dow Jones Industrial Average was recently off 50 points at 11138.

    • Common Man says:


      YOu are on top of it aren’t you. This is shear madness and probably one of the most crazy gambles I have ever heard of. It is no different than paying you mortgage with your Mastercard and then paying your mastercard with your Visa. The only difference is that the Fed is going to print the money to use to pay the mortgage.

      Buy Gold and Silver because the $1.00 is soon to be nothing more than fire tinder.


  19. I like Jim DeMint!

    Welcome, Senate Conservatives
    Remember what the voters back home want—less government and more freedom


  20. General Motors…a bailed out company…..who paid back part of a loan with…..stimulus money……just got a 45 billion tax break….to make their profitablity look better. Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unbelievable…..tax the small business’ and give tax breaks to bailed out companies for a pumped balance sheet. Jeez…….

  21. Bottom Line says:

    I was watching FAUX news this morning(among others). I decided to stay on FAUX because they were flashing the election results faster than the others…

    Then I saw how John “Boner” was all choked up about his new position, and that he “plans to reform PARTS of the health-care monstrosity”.

    I thought…”PARTS? Okay…so, government intervention and regulation that caused a great big mess of the health-care industry, that is supposedly being “fixed” by further intervention via “Obama-care” is going to possibly have “PARTS” of it repealed? …Oh boy, here we go again… the cycle continues.”

    The WHOLE THING isn’t gonna be repealed, and there was no mention of other monstrosities being repealed such as “The Patriot Act”, etc…

    Hmmmm…can we say “full of shit”?

    Can we say “fooled again”?

    • Bottom Line says:

      Wont Get Fooled Again

    • In all honesty it can’t be repealed without huge majorities in both houses, Obama will veto any bill and they can’t over-ride it.

      • Bottom Line says:


        They can’t and won’t do jack…so why make the promise?

        Why even say “parts”?

        It’s just another bullshit promise to fool the voters, to feed their rationalization that they made the right choice and made a difference with their vote.

        • Bottom Line says:

          A.K.A. – Romanticized BS

          The cycle continues.

          Hence the who video…

          “I get on my knees and pray, we won’t get fooled again…Meet the new boss, same as the old boss…blah blah blah…”

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        @Bamadad and @BottomLine

        Maybe its a ploy for “positioning” – and certainly a double edged sword. They could position it right on how “bad” it is (there is proof that out-of-pocket for folks like me is going waaaay up) and that the DEMS would not fix it or repeal it. The double-edge is anytime a new “benefit” is created it is almost impossible to take it away and look good doing so.

        • Ray, IMO, if it is to be done, it must be soon. This particular legislation was not extremely popular and if it is done soon it could mitigate any damage. That said, I know that soon is not possible with a Democratic Senate and a President who would never sign a repeal no matter the public sentiment. As I said before, the only net gain the GOP can hope for, strictly speaking of repeal, would be to shift the label of party of no to the Democrats.

  22. from Fox,

    DENVER – Denver residents have jettisoned a plan to officially track space aliens.

    The proposal defeated soundly Tuesday night would have established a commission to track extraterrestrials. It also would have allowed residents to post their observations on Denver’s city Web page and report sightings.

    Early results show Denver residents voted 106,776- -20,162 against the proposal.

    The Denver man who proposed the measure, Jeff Peckman, says the government is tracking alien sightings but refuses to make the reports public. Peckman is a meditation instructor and promoter of new technology, including something he says reduces the “chaos of electromagnetic fields.”

    Peckman contends opponents greatly inflated the commission’s projected cost.

    He previously proposed an unsuccessful ordinance requiring the city to offer stress-reduction measures.

  23. Judy Sabatini says:

    Hey all

    Thought I’d pop in and say HI, and see how everybody’s been doing. Been reading along when I can, but have also been busy looking for that allusive job. Filled out a ton of apps, got one call back, went for an interview, but didn’t get the job. Oh well, have to keep plugging along and fill out more. I’m sure something will come along.

    So, how’s everybody doing? Yep, we got screwed last night, good ol boy Reid is still in. Kind of wonder how they’ll all get along, now that the repubs took the house. Can hardly wait to see what’s going to happen, or if it’s still going to be the same old crap we’ve been getting. Nothing has changed much here in Nevada for what I can see, people still looking for work and the foreclosure rate is still about the same, but who knows, right.

    Anyway, hope everybody is doing well, & you all take care now.


    • Hey Judy, nice to hear from you-Have you considered keeping kids in your home-I did that for about 2 1/2 years. I kept babies to toddlers-lots of dirty diapers 🙂 but I enjoyed the kids.

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Hi V

        No, I haven’t thought about that, plus I have a Boxer dog, 2 cats, and my mom I’m taking care of. I watch my oldest son’s girlfriends 3 boys in the morning for 3 hours before they go to school, and they can be a handful. One is 11, the middle one is 8 and the youngest is 7. They get here at 6 and leave for school by 9. Funny thing, the job I applied for was at the boys and girls club here, but it would have been at the school, just 2 blocks from where we live, they have a club there for kids, before and after school. Wet for an interview yesterday, got a call today, didn’t get it. I have a ton of apps all around town, and if I don’t her anything by the end of the week, I’m going to give them a call and see what’s what.

        BTW, Hope you’re doing well V.

  24. Only in California:

    SAN FRANCISCO — San Francisco lawmakers have approved legislation that they hope will force fast-food chains such as McDonald’s to make their children’s meals healthier or stop selling them with toys.

    The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 Tuesday to approve an ordinance that would limit toy giveaways in children’s meals that have excessive calories, sodium and fat. It also requires servings of fruits or vegetables with each meal.

    The measure drew enough support to overcome an expected veto by Mayor Gavin Newsom. The supervisors are expected to vote again to override the veto.

    Supervisors say the law would make San Francisco the first major city to take this action to combat childhood obesity.

    McDonald’s has said the law threatens business and restricts parents’ ability to make choices for their children.

    Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/11/02/2143160/sf-law-requires-healthier-fast.html#ixzz14GbagXa4

    • TexasChem says:

      Well…government shouldn’t be allowed the power to control where and what you eat for certain but, are you guys aware of the McDonalds burger that hasn’t had the meat spoil or bun mold in 20 years? There must be tons of preservatives in it, Creepy!…lemee post a link of a movie about a guy that ate only McDonalds food for a month to determine the effects upon the body.


  25. A Puritan Descendant says:

    GM ALL !
    Yesterday I finished a 4 month project building a huge fence. Today I learn Maine is now Republican, not only the Governor but BOTH houses. I don’t think anyone expected this, but I guess this is what happens when the Dems only plan for Maine is increased environmental mandates and promotion of Maine as a vacation land with all of us serving and waiting on tourists. The people of Maine who aren’t on the dole want REAL JOBS creating REAL WEALTH. Now it’s time to see if the Republicans of Maine can deliver.

    • TexasChem says:

      Glad you finished your fence! Now, come help me finish this damned cross-sectioned 128 acres… 🙂

  26. Black Flag,

    Time to talk some sense into the lemmings again. GOLD. It’s all over the place recently. Taking leaps by $20 at a time, up or down. What gives? As of this postig it’s up $26! Talk to me!

    • He’s sleeping in, that late night poker thing. I would bet on my # 18 post being the driving force, along with the pro-business election results. The dollar is devalue again. Stocks and everything will go up, commodities favored?

    • TexasChem says:

      Buy cows not gold…they are renewable! 🙂

    • Gold’s drop (and silver) was a bunch of investors overjoyed that the spend-easy Democrats would be constrained, and the US economy may actually recover.

      The sudden surge upward was the realization after the night of party’s hangover that nothing in government will change.

  27. D13,

    Plan to be around Dallas today?

    John R. Lott, Jr.

    Author and Senior Research Scientist, University of Maryland

    WHEN: Thursday, November 4, 2010
    12:00PM – 1:15PM

    WHERE: Pavilion East at Belo Mansion
    2101 Ross Avenue
    Dallas, Texas 75201

    Discounted self-parking is available at the
    Olive Street entrance.


  28. CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let’s bring in U.S. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, Republican of Minnesota. Congresswoman, thank you for joining us. I haven’t had you on in so long. I have to ask you, if your party gets control of the House of Representatives, will you use the subpoena power to investigate the Democratic members of Congress for un-Americanism?

    MICHELE BACHMANN: Okay. So you’re question was, if I heard you – I’m sorry, we got a very happy audience back here tonight.

    MATTHEWS: Well, they’re probably cheering me but-

    BACHMANN: The question is will we use the subpoena power, is that the question?

    MATTHEWS: Will you use the subpoena power which you will have as a majority, if you claim the majority of the Congress, it looks like you will, will you use the subpoena power to do what you said on my program you would do, investigate the Democratic members of Congress for un-American activities?

    BACHMANN: Well, I think the first thing we’re going to do is try and set the economy in order because jobs is the big issue. You were just having a discussion about that. And what people want to make sure is that no one’s taxes are going up. So I’m calling on Speaker Pelosi during the lame duck session to listen to the American people. They’re speaking overwhelmingly tonight. “Don’t raise our taxes. Stop the out of control spending. ” That’s how we’re going to get jobs back. So I hope that during the lame duck session, she’ll have an extension of all of the current tax policy. Because the very sad story is that one second after midnight, every taxpayer in the United States will see a dramatic increase in taxes. No one can afford that right now. That’s job one for the United States Congress. We better listen to what the people have been saying. We better do what they’re asking us to do.

    MATTHEWS: Well, your colleague Congressman Issa who is going to chair the Oversight and Government Reform committee has said he will use the subpoena power to investigate this administration. You have said on my program to me that you want to see the Democratic members of Congress investigated by the media, you put it that way. You wanted us to investigate the Democrats for un-American attitudes. I just want to ask you do you stick with that plan? Do you want us to do it or will you do it with the subpoena power? Who do you want to investigate the Democratic members of Congress for un-American thinking?

    BACHMANN: Well, the plan that I’ve been talking about all through this election is really four things. And I would encourage the new Republican leadership to take this on as the agenda in 2011. And it’s very simple. It’s keep the current tax policy so no one has increased taxes. Number two, we need to put a full scale repeal of Obamacare passed through the House, hopefully it can get through the Senate, and then number three, we need to make sure that we secure the United States borders. And number four, we need to make sure that we don’t have a huge increase in national energy tax. Those are the four issues that the American people want the Congress to deal with because they want to get certainty back into the economy.

    MATTHEWS: Right.

    BACHMANN: What this election shows is that people believe in this country, they love free enterprise –

    MATTHEWS: Right.

    BACHMANN -they love capitalism, they want to make sure that we have jobs going forward. That’s job number one.

    MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, Congresswoman. Congresswoman Bachmann, are you hypnotized tonight? Has someone hypnotized you? Because no matter what I ask you, you give the same answer. Are you hypnotized? Has someone put you under a trance tonight? That you give me the same answer no matter what question I put to you?

    BACHMANN: I think, I think, the American people are the ones that are finally speaking tonight. We’re coming out of our trance; really we’re coming out of our nightmare. I think people are thrilled tonight. I imagine that thrill is probably maybe quite not so tingly on your leg any more. Not sure about that.

    MATTHEWS: Your sign holder has already raised that issue. Well, some day we’ll have you on the show again and we’ll get to the investigations. But congratulations. I know you will never be defeated on your philosophy which is to investigate everyone for everything.

    BACHMANN: Which is free markets and embrace the principles of our founders.

    MATTHEWS: Okay. Okay. Thank you very much, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann who seems to be in a trance, but thank you back to you, Keith.

    RACHEL MADDOW: Between the trance and the tingle, I feel like-

    MATTHEWS: No, that’s not a tingle. That’s their word. I never used that word.

    EUGENE ROBINSON: Where does this broadcast get physical? That’s what I want to know.


    MADDOW: Can we talk for a second about what they’re trying to do there? With that sign they’re trying to say MSNBC is in the tank and NBC is in the tank for Obama. That’s what they’re trying to say.

    MATTHEWS: No, let me get back to this. That’s ad hominem.

    Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2010/11/02/matthews-bachmann-are-you-hypnotized-bachmann-zings-have-you-lost-#ixzz14JxDIdPS

    • TexasChem says:

      I get a tingle up and down my leg when I watch a Carrie Underwood music video… 🙂

      • Can’t fault a guy for that. Not something I am vocal about to the wife. Read a funny way to answer the old, “do these jeans make me look fat” question. “How much did they cost”? “$200.00” “Yeah, makes you @ss look huge!” “$30.00” “Not at all, I think they have a slimming effect, you should buy a couple more pairs”.

  29. November 04, 2010
    Border crisis continues to deteriorate
    Norah Petersen, American Thinker
    If any issue deserves to override all other issues, it would be the deteriorating national security crisis on the southwest border. WSBTV Channel 2 in Atlanta now reports that they have obtained evidence that confirms that terrorists indeed have entered the country through our virtually unguarded border:

    “Retired immigration agent Michael Cutler says the actual threat is being covered up. “Incredibly the government is attempting to keep the citizens like a bunch of mushrooms. Keep us in the dark and feed us a bunch of manure.”

    Government officials have denied that terrorists have crossed our open border. Still, Channel 2 Action News has proof they have. Channel 2 Anchor Justin Farmer found documents filed in federal court in San Antonio, Texas, in May. They show an indictment against Ahmed Muhammad Dhakane for allegedly smuggling hundreds of people from Brazil to Mexico, then into the U.S. The federal indictment states it includes some Somalis from the terrorist group Al Shabob. Terrorism experts say the group is responsible for terrorist attacks and suicide bombings worldwide.”

    “To this day we do not know where those 300 Somalis are,” said Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas. “We do know they are in the United States.”

    The article went on to say :

    “Sheriffs along the southwestern U.S. border also are aware of the threat. “There is (intelligence) we have that is very troubling”, said Sheriff Paul Babeu of Pinal County, Ariz. “Things are not getting better, they are getting worse.”“

    It has been over nine years since the September 11th attacks and our government has yet to do anything meaningful to secure the border from terrorist infiltration. The Obama administration has taken this dangerous precedent to a whole new level. Not only have they not done anything to secure the border, they have instead decided to vehemently fight against those who simply try take measures to lessen the crisis, even going so far as to cite Arizona’s new immigration law in a UN Human Rights report. Clearly, as Sheriff Babeu stated, “Things are not getting better, they are getting worse“.

    Back in 2005, Representative John Culberson of Texas warned:

    ”Any day now, we will confront massive truck-bomb explosions in our major cities and catastrophic loss of life inflicted by Middle Eastern terrorists who will laugh at us that they had simply walked across our border and we let them do it.”

    One would think that national security concerns would be at the forefront of the border debate. Yet, an alarming number of Americans appear to be under the seemingly unbreakable delusion that the border situation is somehow a racial issue that comes down to whether or not one is pro-Hispanic or anti-Hispanic; and that those who oppose amnesty (which leads to increased illegal immigration and thus makes Border Patrol’s job even more impossible that it already is) are somehow bigoted, anti-immigrant, radical nationalists who are insensitive to the plight of hardworking people who just want a better life. Yet, what kind of future are we insuring for any people if we recklessly ignore such an obvious national security threat? To put it in a different light, take what Thomas Sowell wrote last year about a related matter:

    “One of the many symptoms of this decay from within is that we are preoccupied with the pay of corporate executives while the leading terrorist-sponsoring nation on earth is moving steadily toward creating nuclear bombs. Does anyone imagine that we will care what anyone’s paycheck is when we see an American city in radioactive ruins?”

    Similarly, what good will a supposedly tolerant and compassionate policy of open borders mean when it ultimately makes possible a major terrorist attack? All US residents, both legal and undocumented, politician and private citizen alike, will be in danger. Earlier this year it was revealed that Adnan Shurkajumah, a terrorist on the loose, may have traveled to the United States in 2004 by illegally crossing the Mexican border. Shurajumah is said to be working on the so-called “American Hiroshima” plot. This is what is at stake. This is the fate that our enemies seek to inflict on our nation. Thomas Sowell has dared to point out exactly what nuclear terrorism would mean for us:

    “It took only two nuclear bombs to get Japan to surrender– and the Japanese of that era were far tougher than most Americans today. Just one bomb– dropped on New York, Chicago or Los Angeles– might be enough to get us to surrender.”

    What promise will this country hold for any oppressed people if it ceases to exist through an utterly mad neglect of basic national security? There will no longer be any “last best hope of man on earth” for legal or illegal immigrants from any corner of the world; nor will there be any electoral rewards for politicians who pandered to political correctness.

  30. Buck the Wala says:

    From DailyKos:

    Rejecting liberalism
    by Laurence Lewis
    Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 06:02:03 AM PDT
    Liberalism was rejected, but not by the voters. Some voters may have been fooled into thinking they were rejecting liberalism, but did the Democrats even attempt a truly liberal agenda?

    Did the Democrats pass a stimulus package as large as liberal economists Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz and Nouriel Roubini said we needed?

    Did the Democrats pass Cramdown or a WPA-style jobs program?

    Did the Democrats even put a single payer health care plan on the table? Did they fight for a public option?

    Did the Democrats reject the generals’ request to further escalate the war in Afghanistan?

    Did the Democrats shut down Gitmo, secret renditions, or domestic spying?

    Did the Democrats end Don’t Ask Don’t Tell or the Defense Of Marriage Act?

    Did the Democrats even begin to address immigration reform?

    Did the Democrats pass Cap-and-Trade or respond to the BP oil disaster by ending deepwater drilling?

    The list could go on and on.

    Ignore the pundits and remember the battles over the issues, including the battles that never happened. The voters didn’t reject a liberal agenda because they didn’t see a liberal agenda. Many wouldn’t know what a liberal agenda looks like, because no one has bothered to show them one.

    Thoughts, anyone?

    • Did the Democrats pass a stimulus package as large as liberal economists Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz and Nouriel Roubini said we needed?

      (The one they did pass was bad enough.)

      Did the Democrats pass Cramdown or a WPA-style jobs program?

      (Is that Liberalism or Communism…or are they the same?)

      Did the Democrats even put a single payer health care plan on the table? Did they fight for a public option?

      (Both were certainly discussed and many of the liberals wanted it. IMO public sentiment was so bad with regard to the whole healthcare debacle they would have even been more accountable this election cycle. Besides, the way they move is in small steps. This passed as it was was overreaching even for them.)

      Did the Democrats reject the generals’ request to further escalate the war in Afghanistan?

      (They certainly did not do everything the general wanted…)

      Did the Democrats shut down Gitmo, secret renditions, or domestic spying?

      (No…just goes to the fact that they were really not against it in the beginning rather they were making political moves.)

      Did the Democrats end Don’t Ask Don’t Tell or the Defense Of Marriage Act?

      (No…just goes to the fact that they were really not against it in the beginning rather they were making political moves.)

      Did the Democrats even begin to address immigration reform?

      (No…just goes to the fact that they were really not against it in the beginning rather they were making political moves.)

      Did the Democrats pass Cap-and-Trade or respond to the BP oil disaster by ending deepwater drilling?

      (The House surely passed Cap-and-Trade. This election seems to have, in part at least, been a referendum on that as far as the public is concerned. They have effectively ended deepwater drilling and shallow water drilling at least in the short term with the debilitating regulations they have imposed.)

      If what we are seeing is not Liberalism, then true Liberalism is simply Communism in sheeps clothing. These are my thoughts…

      • Buck the Wala says:

        In a way you make my point with your comments. What we saw was not a liberal agenda, at least how I (and other self-described liberals) would see it.

        On the economy and stimulus, most liberals argued for a much more extensive program.

        On health care and the public option, most liberals argued for a public option at the very least, an option which the majority of the American public supported; and an option which the Dems basically ran away from.

        On Gitmo, DOMA, DADT, etc. – you are exactly right. It showed the Dems didn’t really support abandoning these issues. The vast majority of liberals continue to support closing Gitma, repealing DOMA, repealing DADT, etc. – these are issues that turned many liberals against Obama and the Dem Congress.

    • Did the Democrats pass a stimulus package as large as liberal economists Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz and Nouriel Roubini said we needed?
      (No, but is that a valid question? They passed a huge stimulus that they lied to the public about what it would do(shovel ready). They talk about reducing the deficit, then ignore their own rules on a balanced budget on every spending bill.)

      Did the Democrats pass Cramdown or a WPA-style jobs program?
      (Not yet, but again, the stimulus was supposed to be shovel ready infrastructure projects. Also, Obama recently asked for an additional 50 billion for that same purpose. Point being, people are tired of being lied to)

      Did the Democrats even put a single payer health care plan on the table? Did they fight for a public option? (We think so, but that was done behind closed doors, with only the Dem’s in attendance. I think the Blue Dogs and moderates refused to support the liberal fringe on single payer/public option)

      Did the Democrats reject the generals’ request to further escalate the war in Afghanistan? (No, Obama is following the same strategy laid out by Bush, which is not what he promised)

      Did the Democrats shut down Gitmo, secret renditions, or domestic spying?
      (Same as above, also consider Obama is trying to expand the domestic spying that he fought)

      Did the Democrats end Don’t Ask Don’t Tell or the Defense Of Marriage Act?
      (Not a big issue to me, sorry)

      Did the Democrats even begin to address immigration reform?
      (No, they are actively ignoring border violence(see post above)after Obama & Clinton blamed the US for causing violence in Mexico)

      Did the Democrats pass Cap-and-Trade or respond to the BP oil disaster by ending deepwater drilling?
      (They had Cap & Trade on their agenda, midterms and their moderates rebellion
      stopped them. Had all Dem’s followed strait party lines, they would have ran C & T through. They have allowed deep and shallow drilling to go on in name only, reducing it to economically damaging levels)

      “Ignore the pundits”(but you are a pundit)
      and remember the battles over the issues,(and you are ignoring the issues the votes say they battled over)
      The voters didn’t reject a liberal agenda because they didn’t see a liberal agenda. (giving control of the house back to the Repug’s is not a rejection of Obama & Pelosi’s agenda? What would be? Does it take actual violent rebellion that you accuse us of plotting?)
      Many wouldn’t know what a liberal agenda looks like, because no one has bothered to show them one.( So all those protests, “Don’t socialize my healthcare” that was over a “liberal lite” agenda? I think this author would be OK with those FEMA camps)

  31. John Boehner & Ron Paul 2012 !

    Boehner appeals to the social and fiscal conservative middleclass and Paul would get the Independent and Moderates.Add together the Libertarian and Republican voting base and we have ourselves a winner folks.Paul did win the CPAC Presidential Straw…

    You heard it first from TC.

    • Buck the Wala says:

      I actually wouldn’t mind that ticket – don’t think they’d stand a chance in the general!

    • Boehner? No way.

      DeMint maybe.

      • Paul Ryan! I think Ron Paul is un-electable. I like him on economy, but he’s out there on some issues.

        • Yep – how could I forget him?!? He has said no, but then……

          • It’s easy to forget him. The media keeps saying,
            and he’s over there in the corner with a calculator and spreadsheet saying “excuse me, I think this will work”.

            I read an interesting article last week, that if we are “firing” all these politicians for not listening, and getting it wrong, why don’t we apply the same standards to the media? Mathews, Oberman, etc….you’re fired! Beck, O’Rielly, you were right! Bonus time!

    • Saudi Arms Deal is About Iran

      by Ron Paul

      This month the US Administration notified Congress that it intends to complete one of the largest arms sales in US history to one of the most repressive regimes on earth. Saudi Arabia has been given the green light by the administration to spend $60 billion on some 84 new F-15 aircraft, dozens of the latest helicopters, and other missiles, bombs, and high-tech military products from the US weapons industry.

      Saudi Arabia, from where 15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers came, is a family-run dictatorship, where there are no political parties, no independent press, and where any form of political dissent is met with the most severe punishment. We are told that we must occupy Afghanistan to encourage more rights for women, an issue on which the Saudi regime makes the Taliban look rather liberal by comparison. We are told that our increasingly aggressive policies toward Iran are justified by that country’s rigid Islamic laws and human-rights violations, while the even more repressive Islamic rule in Saudi Arabia is never mentioned.

      So why would the US government, which spends hundreds of billions of dollars yearly and maintains hundreds of bases overseas to push global democracy, approve a deal like this with such a regime? As Stockholm Institute scholar Pieter Wezeman told the Washington Post, “Of course it’s against Iran. Of course it’s against Yemen. You can read between the lines … but there are not any official statements about it.” Although the deal must be approved by Congress, there is little chance of any significant Congressional opposition for the above reason.


  32. I’m from the land of Feingold,
    For 18 years a Senate stronghold,
    He’s iconic, independent, a maverick they said,
    But on Tuesday, WI voters decided to go RED.
    So now the only thing about Russ that’s “Fein”
    Is that he’s in the back of the unemployment line

  33. from Media Matters

    Fox obsessively hypes Palin’s baseless claim that Alaska reporters “concocted” plot against Miller
    November 01, 2010 2:01 pm ET — 68 Comments

    On Fox News Sunday, Sarah Palin claimed to have evidence that reporters at Alaska television station KTVA were on tape “conspir[ing] to make up stories” about Alaska GOP senatorial candidate Joe Miller — a claim that is entirely unsupported. Nevertheless, Fox has run with the story, using it to accuse KTVA of plotting to smear Miller.

    Palin claims voicemail shows KTVA reporters are “corrupt bastards” for “conspir[ing] to make up stories about Joe Miller.” On the October 31 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.’s Fox News Sunday, Palin claimed: “Just last night, it was revealed that the rally that I had for Joe Miller on Thursday, it was revealed –and we have the tape that proves it — that the CBS reporters, the affiliate in Alaska, conspired to make up stories about Joe Miller.” Palin further claimed that the tape is “kind of what I put up with for two years now with the media. … They will stop at nothing to allow Lisa Murkowski to get back — elected.” After host Chris Wallace asked her, “You’re saying that local reporters in Alaska conspired with the Murkowski campaign to put out false information about Joe Miller?” Palin replied:

    PALIN: I am saying — and we have it on tape — that CBS reporters of — in the affiliate up there in Alaska, on tape, are saying, let’s find a child molester in the crowd as a supporter for Joe Miller, let’s blast that. Let’s concoct a Ron Paul moment there. Let’s find any kind of chaos so that we can tweet an alert saying, “Ooh, there is chaos. Joe miller got punched.”

    That’s sick. Those are corrupt bastards, Chris. That’s what is wrong with the media today, when they have their chosen one, and nine times out of 10 – heck, 10 times out of 10 in the liberal media, it’s going to be the liberal as the chosen one.

    • Reporters from a CBS affiliate in Alaska recently left an accidental voicemail message for an aide to Senate candidate Joe Miller, in which producers are heard discussing the possibility of reporting on the appearance of a child molester at a Miller rally. Essentially, they could be heard conspiring to create or fabricate stories. The incident was so outrageous, it prompted Sarah Palin to refer to the reporters as ‘corrupt bastards.’

      After initially claiming their employees were taken out of context, the General Manager at KTVA has announced the termination of two individuals involved in the conversation.

      In the press release, KTVA’s investigation states that:

      “The recorded conversation in question specifically involved how that evening’s Miller rally might be promoted and the ensuing dialogue went downhill from there. These particular comments were not in line with KTVA standards. As a result of this incident, the two producers involved in the recorded conversation are no longer with the station.”

      This is a far cry from the station’s original response to the incident, in which they stated:

      “The Miller campaign’s analysis of the recording is incorrect in many material ways ranging from personnel involved in the conversation, the interpretation of conversation snippets and the reported transcript of the perceived garbled conversation.”

      But if this was simply a case of the producers being taken out of context, or a misrepresentation of a garbled conversation, why would it necessitate a firing?

      In case you missed it, here is a transcript of the voice recording:

      UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: That’s up to you because you have the experience but that’s what I would do…I’d wait until you see who shows up because that indicates we already know something…

      UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Oh, yes. Can you repeat Joe Miller’s list of people, campaign workers, which one is the molester?
      UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We know that out of all the people that will show up tonight, at least one of them will be a registered sex offender.
      UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: You have to find that one person —
      UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: And the one thing we can do is — we won’t know. We won’t know but if there is any sort of chaos whatsoever, we can put out a Twitter/Facebook alert saying what the — “Hey, Joe Miller punched at rally.”
      UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Kind of a like Rand Paul, I like that.
      UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That’s a good one.

      Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2010/11/02/cbs-affiliate-fires-two-after-joe-miller-voicemail-controversy#ixzz14KTDRtA0

      (So were they fired for a “baseless claim”? Or is Media Matters just a left wing spin machine?)

  34. Well I definitely believe the 2 billion price tag now…
    Can’t help but wonder, why so much security?

    34 warships sent from US for Obama visit
    Press Trust of India, Updated: November 04, 2010 19:04 IST

    New Delhi: The White House will, of course, stay in Washington but the heart of the famous building will move to India when President Barack Obama lands in Mumbai on Saturday.

    Communications set-up, nuclear button, a fleet of limousines and majority of the White House staff will be in India accompanying the President on this three-day visit that will cover Mumbai and Delhi.

    He will also be protected by a fleet of 34 warships, including an aircraft carrier, which will patrol the sea lanes off the Mumbai coast during his two-day stay there beginning Saturday. The measure has been taken as Mumbai attack in 2008 took place from the sea.

    Arrangements have been put in place for emergency evacuation, if needed.

    Obama is expected to fly by a helicopter — Marine One — from the city airport to the Indian Navy’s helibase INS Shikra at Colaba in south Mumbai.

    From there, he will drive down in Lincoln Continental — the Presidential limousine — to the nearby the Taj Hotel.

    Two jets, armed with advanced communication and security systems, and a fleet of over 40 cars will be part of Obamas convoy.

    Around 800 rooms have been booked for the President and his entourage in Taj Hotel and Hyatt.

    The President will have a security ring of American elite Secret Service, which are tasked to guard the President, along with National Security Guards (NSG) and personnel from central paramilitary forces and local police in Mumbai and Delhi.

    Similar arrangements will be in place in Delhi, with the Air Force One to be kept in all readiness throughout Obama’s stay here from Sunday afternoon to Tuesday morning.

    Maurya Hotel, where the President will stay, has already been swarmed by American security personnel and protective measures have been put in place.

    Security drills are already been carried out at the hotel as well as Rajghat which he will visit.

    Sources said 13 heavy-lift aircraft with high-tech equipment, three helicopters and 500 US security personnel have arrived in India ahead of Obama’s visit.

    The US security has also brought interception and obstruction device, sniffer dogs, rescue gadgets.

    Apart from Obama’s Air Force One, a few private luxury jets carrying top American corporate leaders, who are part of Obama entourage, are also expected to arrive in India in next 2-3 days.

    All high-rise buildings in the vicinity of Mumbai’s Taj Mahal hotel and Delhi’s Maurya Sheraton hotel, where the US President will stay, are being sanitised and security personnel will be positioned on rooftops to prevent any air-borne attack.

    The Ridge area – opposite Delhi’s Maurya Sheraton hotel – has been illuminated by floodlights as part of the heightened security drill.

    The Home Ministry has already issued an alert for Mumbai and Delhi asking authorities to take extra precautions during Obama’s visit as well as on Diwali on Friday.

    Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459?cp

  35. OKLAHOMA CITY, Okla., Nov. 3, 2010 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — On Thursday, November 4, the Oklahoma chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-OK) will hold a news conference with religious and civil rights leaders in the State Capitol Building to announce the filing of a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of an anti-Islam ballot measure (State Question 755) passed in yesterday’s election. The measure amends the state constitution to forbid judges from considering Islamic law or international law when making a ruling.

  36. Buck

    which civilizations have had no government

    The Plains Indians were non-government, as one example.

    When does ‘organization’ become government?

    There’s a very fine line here of what does and does not constitute government.

    This is completely untrue and totally false

    Government is incredibly clear to recognize.

    It is an organization that claims the monopoly on violence within a geographical area.

    Government is violence throughout its entire being to its core.

    The test is easy: any organization that refuses violence as a solution cannot be government

    • TexasChem says:

      BF STated:”It is an organization that claims the monopoly on violence within a geographical area.”

      One tribe defending its land against another tribe coming in to take game and food fits that description as well though BF!

      • Tex

        The word “initiate” is missing from the definition.

        • Bottom Line says:

          I would suggest that it is a collective entity or society organized by laws/rules that uses violence as a coercive means to control it’s members.

          Predators such as lions, tigers, wolves, humans, etc… initiate violence upon their non-violent prey.

          A non-governmental society like a tribe or ant colony may initiate violence upon another as a means of conquest, or as a necessity to compete.

          But what collective entity or society organized by laws/rules uses violence as a coercive means to control it’s members?

          • Bottom Line says:

            There is a definitive answer to What is government?

            I think it has to do with it being a collective, having rules, coercion and control, and whether it is necessary for survival.

      • Texaschem and JAC

        Actually, no – initiate is important – but the State demands the whole monopoly on violence, which is why it perverts self-defense and gun rights and institutes “Police” etc.

        Tex, the Indians in “defending” themselves from external attack is not a claim to a monopoly of violence.

        • BF

          Actually, yes. You should no better by now. I said the word was missing, I didn’t say it replaced anything.

          It is not just a monopoly on violence but the monopoly on the initiation of violence that makes it different. And if we really want to add flavor, it is the monopoly on the use of “legal” violence. Which of course means it gets to decide what is legal, thus covering both initiation and defense.

    • Buck

      Israelites………………before they decided to be like the rest of the world and created KINGS.

    • Buck the Wala says:

      I can easily make the argument that the Native American tribes’ so-called ‘organization’ amounted to a rudimentary form of goverenment. Same with the Israelites.

      • Buck,

        Then make your argument in stead of merely saying that you can!

        Then you will be forced to defend your core theory of government – and given your past, that scares you a bit 😉

        • Buck the Wala says:

          The Indian Chief? Council of Elders?

          These groups clearly had a group of individuals to make certain decisions for the tribe. How is this not a form of government?

          • Buck,

            So you are claiming I am a government because I am the leader and decision maker in my family?

            Again – for the 231 time –

            Stop giving erroneous examples

            Define government properly and completely!

          • Buck

            The tribal chiefs did not enforce their decisions with violence against their people. Their decisions were usually accepted because everyone deliberated and then they would decide. If you didn’t like the decision you were free to go your own way or not participate. Of course you might get shunned if the decision was big, like going to war.

            Also, families or clans might decide to do a little violence on their own. Thus the chiefs did not have the full monopoly that fits the definition of govt.

            You asked earlier when a govt comes to exist. I would offer it is the moment you give the monopoly on the use of legal violence to an institution to be used against the entire population.

            Please note that in some definitions it is the “initiation” of violence that matters. This means an institution that is limited to defense would not be a Govt entity in and of itself.

  37. Mathius, Buck and Todd, et al.

    This is not plagiarism. It is outright theft. But since I did it for you lefties I figured I could get away with it. ENJOY

    “A woman in a hot air balloon realizes she is lost. She lowers her altitude and spots a man fishing from a boat below. She shouts to him, “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”

    The man consults his portable GPS and replies, “You’re in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.”

    She rolls her eyes and says, “You must be a Democrat!”

    “I am,” replies the man. “How did you know?”

    “Well,” answers the balloonist, “everything you tell me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’re not much help to me.”

    The man smiles and responds, “You must be Sarah Palin.”

    “I am,” replies the balloonist. “How did you know?”

    “Well,” says the man, “You don’t know where you are or where you’re going. You’ve risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and now you expect me to solve your problem. You’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but, somehow, now it’s my fault.” “

  38. PeterB in Indianapolis says:

    From a “looking at things from the bright side” perspective, we got a “Republican” controlled House, and a “Democrat” controlled Senate (although nowhere near fillibuster-proof anymore) and we have a “Democrat” President.

    What I FERVENTLY hope that this means is 2 years of massive gridlock in which the Federal government accomplishes absolutely nothing whatsoever… with the possible exception of a total repeal of “healthcare”, that would be the one thing I could accept them “accomplishing”.

  39. Texas Teach says:

    Hi – sent to this site by a friend – enjoy reading the posts last couple of days. My partner and I have trouble finding good discussion in our neck of the woods of Texas for our angle on politics (more attuned to pure anarchism). Look forward to engaging all in good discussion.



  40. TexasChem says:

    With Mankind having such a tendency towards being violent, I dare say he will never have a society without some form of government to keep that violence in check.I am far from being a statist but,I am a realist.
    Look at the violence on the border with the drug gangs,the wars in the middle east (America included), gang violence in the inner city etc.It pervades even our daily lives with a trip through an unfamilliar neighborhood!Societies are held hostage from evolving into something better for the simple fact that Man is a greedy animal.

    • TexasChem says:

      Greedy oppurtunistic animal!

    • Texaschem

      With Mankind having such a tendency towards being violent,

      But that is not the human tendency at all! It is actually so rare that it makes the news!

      Civilization could not exist if violence was the human tendency – yet, civilization exists. Thus, human voluntary cooperation is our tendency and violence is the abnormality.

      I dare say he will never have a society without some form of government to keep that violence in check.I am far from being a statist but,I am a realist.

      Whenever I read such statements, it almost makes me wonder what world the writer live on.

      Government is the single greatest initiator of violence — and not its “check”!

      Everything government does requires violence or its threat – that is the definition of law – the use of violence to enforce an edict.

      To flip this upside down to say the greatest user of violence keeps violence in check is so bizarre!

      Government may be part of the human condition for sometime yet, but it is, never was, and never will be a necessary condition. It is the “smallpox” of human society.

      Look at the violence on the border with the drug gangs

      Drug gangs are a consequence of government law gone bad. No drug laws, no drug gangs.

      ,the wars in the middle east (America included),

      Government on government war, and has nothing to do with the People themselves.

      gang violence in the inner city etc.

      A direct consequence of government usurpation of self-defense.

      It pervades even our daily lives with a trip through an unfamilliar neighborhood!Societies are held hostage from evolving into something better for the simple fact that Man is a greedy animal.

      Greed is good – it is what drives progress.

      Envy is evil.

      Greed causes want, which leads to earn.

      Envy causes jealousy, which leads to taking.

  41. TexasChem says:

    REPORT: US military to build kilometer-long bomb-proof tunnel – so Obama can go to Gandhi museum…

    It could give a sense of superior American organisation, or be an indicator of a deep-set persecution complex. It could also be a manifestation of Uncle Sam’s penchant for a show of strength.

    The matter pertains to US president Barack Obama’s planned visit to Mani Bhavan —the Gandhi museum — on November 6, soon after he reaches Mumbai. On Monday, US secret agents visited the museum to plan Obama’s security detail.

    They were accompanied by officers of Mumbai Police and civic officials of the D ward (where Mani Bhavan is located). While inspecting the route and the buildings lining up the route to the museum, the Americans detected a skyscraper near Peddar road and also found the area to be highly populated.

    Since it is difficult to monitor such a congested area, they came up with a quick solution which left the Indians accompanying them amazed: A bomb-proof over-ground tunnel — to be installed by US military engineers in just an hour.

    The tunnel would be a kilometre long and measure 12ft by 12ft — enough to let Obama’s cavalcade pass through. The tunnel would be centrally air-conditioned, fitted with close-circuit television cameras, and will be heavily guarded at every point, including, of course, its entry and exit.

    Details about when exactly the tunnel would be made were not forthcoming. But officials said that the structure would be dismantled immediately after Obama leaves the area.


    • Ray Hawkins says:

      @TexasChem – scraping the bottom of the barrel now eh? I guess if Beck/Limbaugh/Bachmann/Hannity repeat this b.s. often enough then it must be true eh? I never took you to be so gullible buddy!

  42. TexasChem says:

    Squeeky says that once upon a time, there was a man named Obama, who owned a Baloney sandwich restaurant, The House of Baloney. He served the very best Baloney sandwiches, made from the very finest Baloney, imported all the way from Hawaii, or Connecticut, and maybe even Kenya. People came from far and wide to get his Baloney. They would say, “Ohhh, but this is such Good Baloney!” They were so fanatic, people even started calling them “O-buts”

    Then one day, a little newspaper boy bought some baloney sandwiches, and when he got home, he discovered his change was $2.00 short! So he went back to Obama and he said, “I want my $2.00, please. “Obama said, “Get lost kid, you bother me!”

    Undeterred, the newspaper boy sat outside the House of Baloney with a sign that said, ” I want my $2.00.” He sat there in the rain and the sleet and the snow, for months. At first, everyone thought the newspaper boy was just crazy. Obama swore he had given him the proper change. He put a PICTURE of the cash register tape and deposit slip on the Internet. He even had people swear it was a true picture.

    But, as time went on, people began to get suspicious of Obama. Why was he letting this poor little newspaper boy, who might indeed be crazy, just sit out there in the rain, with his poor little sign, exposed to the elements, and sad. And what if, just what if, Obama had kept the $2.00 and not deposited it in the bank. People started not going to the House of Baloney.

    The O-buts defended Obama. “It’s his restaurant”, they said. “He doesn’t have to legally give the kid the $2.00 if he doesn’t want to.” That was true enough, but by this time, Obama had already lost 25% of his sales. Some people said, “Just give the kid his $2.00 and quit being a jerk!” “No!” said the O-buts. “This kid is so crazy, that even if you give him the $2.00, he won’t go away!”

    So it went on for over two years. People now began to wonder, “Was there really something wrong with Obama?” Because he had lost a lot more in business than the $2.00. They reasoned that even if he didn’t owe it, something fishy was going on, because there really was no good reason for a sane businessman not to just cough up the two bucks, and move on.

    But still the newspaper boy sits there, with his ragged, little homemade sign, the “I want my $2.00″ smeared by rain, and running like two day old mascara, and the cardboard all wrinkly and fraying at the edges. Inside, Obama sits, twiddling his thumbs, and hoping business will pick up.

  43. What Does CBS’s Controversial Obama Picture Mean?

    On Wednesday, CBS published a doctored picture (dually attributed to itself and the Associated Press) showing Barack Obama as half black and half white, with a line clearly visible down the center of his face. And just in case that wasn’t controversial enough, the photo also pictures Democrats leaning over his “black” side while Republicans look over his “white” side. Via NewsBusters:

    The picture, naturally, is causing quite the stir.

    Creative Minority Report asks, “Are they saying that Obama will have to act white with Republicans?” and adds, “The idiocy of this is only heightened by the fact that Obama’s heritage is mixed.”

    Noel Sheppard over at NewsBusters wonders: “Are CBS and AP not so subtly implying the GOP are all white?”

    And I’m thinking: Is CBS serious?

    What are you thinking?


  44. Black Flag’s Perfect Representative

    … at least for the California state senate.

    There won’t be any votes for tax increases from this senator.

    Democrat Jenny Oropeza won re-election as a state senator in California even though she died two weeks before the election.

    I mean no disrespect toward the deceased. I just think it’s hilarious that voters chose a dead Democrat over a Republican.

    (If this doesn’t end any and all debate on the futility and stupidity of voting…..!)

  45. Hayek vs. Keynes Sequel Sneak Peak at The Economist Buttonwood Gathering

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