What I Think the Voters Said on Tuesday

Now that we have had a week or so to digest the results of the 2010 mid-term elections, it is time to begin the process of evaluating what exactly happened and what it means for the next two years. The most obvious result to look at is the massive swing of power in the House of Representatives. The Republicans gained over 60 seats during this election, giving them power in the House and reducing the Democrat control in Washington to only two of the three important bodies. But the real question remains what this election power shift is really going to mean over the next two years, and possibly beyond. Another important question is what happened that enabled the Republicans to sweep so many seats from the other side of the aisle to their own. Finally, what message did we get out of the lopsided victories by two incumbents, Maxine Waters and Charlie Rangel, who are clearly shown as corrupt and crooked and who face ethics panel trials as soon as Congress returns from the election break? I will offer my thoughts on all of the above…

This was the "Political Cartoon of the Month, November 2008"

Of course each side is attempting to tell us what this election “means”. The Democrats would have you believe that it means absolutely nothing other than they did a poor job of articulating their message so that voters could understand it. The Republicans would have you believe that it was a monumental smack down of the liberal progressive agenda. Both are wrong. No matter how they attempt to spin it, they are both ignoring the reality of what happened on Tuesday.

First and foremost, the American voters simply rejected the party in power. Much like the last election, the party in power is the one that gets the blame for all that is wrong. There are many factors that go into the public perception of the party in power. The negative swirled all around. Most important, the economy sucks. There is no way to parse words on that subject. The dollar continues to lose strength. Banks are not lending money. Businesses are not hiring people. Unemployment is two points lower than the party in power promised and horrifically lower if we talk about “real” unemployment. And there is no sign that the people in power in the Democratic party have the first clue on how to make things any better. In fact, public perception is that the Democratic plans may actually be the opposite of what is needed.

This was spun, in my personal opinion, by a heavily biased media for one of two reasons. The conservative media spent a great deal of time telling us how horrible the economy is in order to convince us that the Democrats and their plans are bad for our economic future. The liberal media spent a great deal of time telling us how horrible the economy is in order to convince us that the Democratic plans are the only thing that can save us from getting worse. In short, both sides of the media needed us to believe that the economy is in horrible shape, albeit for vastly different reasons. This backfired on the Democrats and worked for the Republicans. The interesting thing, in my opinion, is that the economy would be far better off if we could simply get the media to shut up. They are perhaps more dangerous to our economy than either party.

So step one in answering what happened on Tuesday is that the economy sucks and the party in power pays the price when that is the case. It really didn’t matter who was in power, the party in power was going to lose seats.

The second part of what I believe happened on Tuesday was that the Democrats absolutely failed in their attempts to read what the voters wanted. Time and again over the last two years, we have noted that the polls overwhelmingly showed that the people of America were against whatever the big legislative topic at the moment was. The stimulus bill, health care, cap and trade, extending the tax cuts, bailout of GM, etc. Yet the left continued to pursue each of those things simply because they could. They really thought that the reality was that American voters would like what they were doing if only they were smart enough to understand it. They were wrong. People understood what was happening and rejected it. And they didn’t forget that they were completely ignored and called stupid.

The biggest result of so many things being steamrolled through Congress despite the wishes of the voters was that a good many people came to the conclusion that regardless of who is in power, the power should not be allowed to be absolute. If the Democrats control the White House, at least Congress should not be controlled by the same party. It takes this happening once each generation to remind us that absolute power for either of these two corrupt parties is not a good thing. The best thing that can happen for the American people is a Washington DC divided that is unable to get most stuff done. Each side of the aisle is the extreme of their ideological position. Splitting power is the only way to keep extreme legislation from getting through.

So what does the new alignment in Washington mean as far as issues for the next two years? A lot, and we will talk about those issues later this week. Republicans are actually in the best position that they could be in at the moment. With control of the house they can pass legislation that they will claim is good and will help us forward. That legislation will not make it through the Senate and even if it does, the President’s VETO pen will be primed and ready. This will allow the GOP to paint the Democrats as the obstructionist party, much as the Dems have done to them for the last 24 months. Because their legislation will not make it through the gauntlet, they will get none of the blame for failing to improve conditions in the country. In other words, they have absolutely nothing to lose over the next two years so long as they do not remain standing still. If they have very little action or if they don’t toe the conservative line, they will be held to task for it, but not as much as people may believe.

I was watching Glenn Beck the other day, right after the elections. I heard him threaten the incoming members of Congress. He basically said, “We are giving you another chance. If you blow it again, you will not be given a third chance.” Coming from Beck, that worries me a little. I am not a Beck fan, and I certainly don’t want the same things that he wants (read as: I don’t want the christian right to get what they want). I hope with all my heart that Beck and his followers don’t follow through and expect that to happen. Obviously, I have no interest in having the GOP gain more power any more than the Democrats. Beck is nothing more than a strict conservative guy. And I would like to believe that the measure of keeping the progressives out of power is moving as far right socially as possible. If that is the case, we are in just as much trouble as before.

As part of what I found most troubling in the results that we saw Tuesday, there were still a vast majority of incumbents that were reelected. In total, only 53 incumbents ran for reelection and lost. 53. That is it. In the great year of anti-incumbent sentiment, more than 80% of incumbents won their bid for reelection. In a country where the approval rate for Congress is, as a general rule, ALWAYS below 30%, the average rate of incumbents retaining their seat is well over 90%. Included in those numbers are Charlie Rangel and Maxine Waters, who both garnered roughly 80% of the vote in their districts.

Both Rangel and Waters are as corrupt as they come. They are both veterans of multiple ethics investigations and are both currently facing ethics charges. Speaker Pelosi gave them a pass by pushing their upcoming ethics hearings out until after the elections were over. But there is little doubt that both are guilty. Their punishments will be minor, thanks the to good ol boy network that the US Congress is. However, people devoid of ethics are supposed to be rejected by the people they represent, unless of course the people that they represent are also unethical. I won’t pass judgement on a whole group of people in their districts. But I will say that it certainly appears to me to be a situation where the people of those districts have decided that they don’t care how unethical Waters and Rangel are so long as they bring home the bacon and continue to push their agenda.

And that saddens me. Because it doesn’t say a lot for the ethics that we have as a country. Obviously we cannot judge an entire country by the actions of a few districts. But I don’t think I am out of line in saying that as a group, the United States Congress is perhaps the least ethical conglomeration of individuals in the entire country. I literally believe that the population of Rikers Island Prison have more honor and principles than the members of the US Congress. Honestly, do you believe what comes out of a Senator’s mouth any more than a convict’s? Me either. And the fact that this country continues to give all of them a pass every single time is absolutely baffling to me unless I am willing to accept that the people of this country are simply unethical themselves. Have we really gotten to the point where people of honor and integrity are so few that the United States Congress is an accurate representation of the people?

I certainly hope not. Because if that is so, I may have to go live in BF’s village. I may think some of their ideas are out there, but I believe they are conducting themselves with honor and integrity.

But I digress (as I so often do). The real question before us is what do the results of the 2010 election mean to us? The answer is probably not what you would expect. The answer is….

nothing.

The elections mean nothing. The tennis match continues. Until we have an election where a new party comes into power that is committed to reducing the size and scope of government, that is committed to letting nothing get in the way of freedom and liberty, and who is committed to getting out of the way and becoming a true solution, we have seen nothing of consequence. The two groups of assclowns that currently pass the baton of power back and forth are, as always, nothing more than mirror images of each other. Government will grow. The amount of money in your pocket will shrink. Freedom will dwindle. Pundits will manipulate the people. And Black Flag will will get a steady stream of ammunition against those who believe things will be different.

Time to get that VDLG train rolling again.

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Comments

  1. Good Morning All 🙂

    Another early morning getting ready to hit the forest in search of the elusive whitetail. The rut is getting strong and the forest is full of activity, fun times indeed.

    I think USW has it right, that election day meant nothing. Corruption will continue and now 53 new folks can be indoctrinated in the corrupt ways of politics. While I found it fun to watch the Dems get their butts kicked in the HoR, far to many were reelected despite their direct involvement in the economic problems that they (see Barny Frank) were involved with. The conservatives spoke, but so did the sheeple who blindly follow the likes of Frank and Reid.

    The week prior to election day, I drove from Oregon, across the country back to Pa. The message was always the same, as if I hadn’t left Pa at all. I found no real message from either side that made me want to vote for any candidate, from any state (Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio and Pa). We do have a wonderfully beutiful country, as vast and full of wildlife as I had always imagined. Too bad the so called intelligent beings are lost to what is really happening. It’s all about money, which I might add is heading towards useless.

    Good article USW, I look forward to looking back in to read the comments later today. I’m especailly interested in reading how the election will make a difference by those who were advocating voting so strongly, should be interesting.

    Off to the forest!

    Peace and Live Free!

    G!

    • Hi G.

      As one of those who advocated voting so strongly-What I expected happened-the dems. don’t have the power to push through their agenda anymore. I think that’s an improvement all by itself. What else will happen-who knows-but I think this election is different-I think the last couple elections were different because I don’t believe it’s just the usual republicans against democrats- I think it’s the people against government-it’s sad that the people are so divided and that the issues are being discussed on such extreme terms but perhaps it is also the thing that will save us. People will have to take sides-because the agenda’s are pretty clear. Do you want fiscal responsibility and more freedom or do you want socialism. The Dems offer socialism. The republican party ?-we sent the message-change or die. The Tea Party has stood up and I think they may have made a third party actually viable if the republican party doesn’t change.

      • Great post VH and I agree.

      • Bottom Line says:

        V.H. – “As one of those who advocated voting so strongly-What I expected happened-the dems. don’t have the power to push through their agenda anymore. I think that’s an improvement all by itself.”

        BL – So instead of having a turd on wheat with swiss and mayo, we now have a turd on rye with cheddar and mustard.

        Yeah, big improvement. Cheddar, rye, and mustard makes all the difference.

        V.H. – “I think the last couple elections were different because I don’t believe it’s just the usual republicans against democrats- I think it’s the people against government”

        BL – Yeah , you can tell by the way the people predominantly voted for Republicrats this time.

        “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

        – Albert Einstein

        V.H. – “it’s sad that the people are so divided and that the issues are being discussed on such extreme terms…”

        BL – How is it sad that people want to live as individuals by their own standards?

        The reason for the extremism is that society is searching for definitive answers that cannot come via governence. The imbalance is becoming more apparent.

        V.H. – “but perhaps it is also the thing that will save us. People will have to take sides-because the agenda’s are pretty clear.”

        BL – Save us? I think not. Instead of choosing to take sides and live according to someone else’s agenda, why not live according to our own agendas?

        V.H. – “Do you want fiscal responsibility and more freedom or do you want socialism.”

        BL – You mean: Do you want to be free to live as party A tells you or as party B tells you?

        Neither are living free.

        • Then fix it BL-tell me how to fix it-do you really think the economy collapsing, the government collapsing is the way to go.Do you think the people are ready for total freedom. Do you want to go the route of millions dying. Can you even be confident that if we destroy this government that another one, maybe even worse won’t take it’s place. If we could start over I would probably fight tooth and nail for a government not to be started. But we can’t start over-we have to change the mind frame of the people first and even then I don’t really think no government would last for long.

          • Bottom Line says:

            VH – “Then fix it BL-tell me how to fix it”

            BL – Disengage. Learn how to live without it. Teach your children the same.

            VH – “do you really think the economy collapsing, the government collapsing is the way to go”

            BL – It’s collapsing regardless of what I/we think. And, Yes, I do. It is too big and too ingrained to gradually fix with baby steps. It’s coming down. Chaos will ensue, a new Order will follow.

            Order out of Chaos.

            VH – “Do you think the people are ready for total freedom.”

            BL – Again, it doesn’t matter whether they are or not, It’s coming. It’s collapsing, and they will HAVE TO learn how to live without it.

            VH – “Do you want to go the route of millions dying.”

            BL – No, but unfortunately, it will likely happen anyway in the form of collapse. It already is happening in other places. What’s the death toll of all the wars, disease, and famine, etc. in the past few decades?

            VH – “Can you even be confident that if we destroy this government that another one, maybe even worse won’t take it’s place.”

            BL – We don’t have to destroy this government, …and No. But can we really be confident of anything? Can we be confident that our current one is going to be fixed?

            VH – “If we could start over I would probably fight tooth and nail for a government not to be started”

            BL – Awesome!

            VH – “But we can’t start over-we have to change the mind frame of the people first ”

            BL – I whole-heartedly agree with the change the mind frame part, which is why I keep saying that we need to teach future generations how and what to rebuild. It is the reason why I go to places like “infowars” and try to straighten out their mental knot as mine was straightened out…and is why I am having this conversation with you right now…which is why I posted what I did below(post # 8).etc, etc..

            VH – “even then I don’t really think no government would last for long.”

            BL – It would if the mind frame of the people was to understand and respect freedom as it relates to natural rights and personal responsibility, if they understand the nature of government and the subsequent dangers.

            🙂

            • I do actually think it’s important to prepare yourself and your children on how to get by without government-if the worse happens-but I don’t think we should help it along by doing nothing to stop it. So, I guess my stance is prepare but stay engaged. 🙂
              Your is…… I can’t write the words-Anita won’t let me cuss 🙂 🙂 He He

      • V.H.

        I do admire your spunk! One only needs to look at the past to understand the future. Movements (such as the recent Tea Party) have played big roles in elections in the past (Civil Rights, Anti-Vietnam war, Womens Lib and on and on). Each movement had it’s agenda and voted as such, and it ended with more government as we sit today. These movements were a ruse, just as the recent one is. It is designed to make one believe they are changing what is wrong in government, only to help make government bigger and more intrusive.

        While there may be a few new candidates that want to represent, they will be crushed by the money game going on. It’s about the money, not about us (U.S.). The only thing that will change this government for the better, is it’s own self-destruction. Voting, in my lifetime, has brought us to where we are at today. It was never the answer, just the fantasy that so many believe will result in better things in the future.

        Enjoy your feeling of victory!

        G!

        • No G. You don’t understand my point-I’m not talking about what the government will do in the next two years-I’m talking about the mind frame of the people-it is changing-I know people have risen up before and changed things for a while-but that uprising helped keep us from totally losing the foundations of this country. There simply are no guarantees, ever, you could destroy our system and in all probability government would be created again. If we want to keep freedom we must continue to fight, to wake people up, to remind people, to teach our children-If there is a long term fix-I don’t think anyone knows what it is. Maybe our children will end up smarter than we are-or maybe their children will-but we must strive to keep the door on freedom from shutting so firmly-that there isn’t any way back.

          • And in all the past movements, the media controlled the message, and often could play kingmaker. Today, people are bypassing the media through the internet, places like SUFA, finding out for themselves. As a result, the networks/NY Times are bleeding viewers and profits. I don’t know if our children will be smarter, but they will be better informed!

            • Bottom Line says:

              Wednesday, FAUX NEWS was reporting the results of the elections. In a somewhat celebratory fashion, they mentioned that Republicrats won the controlling majority of the house, then quickly moved on to something else.

              They didn’t follow with a celebratory announcement that the Demopublicans have the majority of seats in the senate.

              I laughed and thought “yeah right, fair and balanced”

              I note so many similar subtleties in the way things are reported, as do so many others.

              But what gets me is the thought of how many people don’t notice.

              • You know what BL, your newly found anarchist viewpoint is quite haute, if not downright arrogant. So you know better than everyone else – well good for you!

                Why in the world would you even turn on TV, let alone “Faux News”? My God you certainly must be above such things that are meant for more simple minded people.

          • V,

            The mindset of the people did change, as it has numerous times before. This time, the people voted out the red apple and voted in the yellow apple, a few years ago, just the opposite, and a few years from now, the yellow apples will be voted out and the red ones back in. History repeats 🙂

            Now, what can we do to stop the Merry-Go-Round? Nothing! That’s what most people will end up with after the elected ones do what they do. It doesn’t matter the color of the apple, it’s still an apple.

      • V.H.

        I’m with you on this one.

        I voted and will continue to vote.

        This election did all that I personally hoped. It is a delaying action. It will stop more serious stupid stuff from getting passed. At this point that was a major accomplishment.

        I am not sure the “awakening” is as big as you hope. But I do agree that it could very well be starting. It will take serious nurturing and feeding or it will become like the other movements.

        What our protagonists here miss is that the other movements were about superficial issues, like the war. This time I see people waking up and re-learning what America was and is supposed to be about.

        If this struggle for the “philosophical foundation” grows, then we will see a paradigm shift.

        I think that is the key. If it just comes down to balancing the budget or shrinking govt, then it will become like the others.

        The critics here also forget that it was VOTING that ushered in the era of populism and the Progressive Movement. It was VOTING over a new idea that locked us into the past 100 years of garbage politics and economics. If VOTING doesn’t matter then it wouldn’t have caused such a major shift in the direction of the USA. But it did. And it can again.

        Best wishes and keep telling the story to everyone you know, or who will listen.
        JAC

        • JAC,

          Old friend, you’ve tripped on a fallacy of voting again.

          You claim that voting brought in the tyranny of Progressives – which is true.

          You then point to the power of vote as a means of change.

          This is not necessarily true.

          You then point to the possibility that by vote you can refuse the change inflicted.

          This is probably false

          Progressives gained votes like Hitler gained votes – by promising “goodies” to the masses.

          It did not matter the means of delivery of such “goodies” – the People looked up the “goodies” and ignored the means.

          You believe you can reverse this by reversing the goodies and believing the People will vote for it.

          That, I suggest is impossible.

          • BF

            My dear Pirate friend.

            It may turn out to be true. Then again it might not. Even where overwhelming probability is a Nay, there is always the chance of a Yea.

            But regardless, it is not the act of voting that is the problem. And by your own admission voting can make a difference.

            The issue is the moral character of the voters.

            If there is a chance in the world for a people to awaken and vote to take away their free cookies, it is here.

            Even the left is starting to grasp this fact as I see them more and more question the sanity of the Tea Party and Conservative. They openly express their confusion over why these people would vote against their own economic self interest.

            The tougher the climb the sweeter the accomplishment when one finally reaches the summit. Instead of sitting on the sidelines and tossing stones, why don’t you join me in the journey. It will be most interesting and you are most certainly welcome.

    • V.
      Glad to hear your optimism. I agree that the attitude appears to be changing.

      Pros of the election:
      1) limiting the current power structure
      2) dems losing power
      3) tea party talking big against the status quo of the republicans
      4) potential to head in the right direction, slowly, but most agree that all the knives can be pulled out at once.
      Cons of the election:
      1) a lot of the power structure exists still. As USW said, it is still a small percentage of incumbents that are removed.
      2) the comparatively minor changes might lull the sheeple back to sleep.
      3) The Reps are all proud of themselves, and are not getting the message.
      4) The Reps are trying desperately to pull the Tea party people into the corrupted fold, and history shows the odds are in the favor of the corruption.

      Still, I, the eternal optomist, remain more in V’s camp than BF’s. At least for now.

  2. USW,

    Just curious – Did you vote?

  3. A Puritan Descendant says:

    Here in Maine at the State level, voters placed Republicans in full control. Some new republicans won by wide margins over incumbent democrats who I had expected to be reelected. At the same time I see voters approve more debt for things ‘we need’, such as more dentists. Maine voters consistently approve more debt as if there is no price to pay.

    Then I see all these far left democrats get reelected across the country and I am a bit confused. Is it districting? Do they bring home the bacon, (steal from the wealth creators)?

    Are “we the people” unethical? I found a quote by John Adams which many of you are probably familiar with “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and true religion. Our Constitution was made only for moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    It sure would explain a lot if true !

  4. Several years ago, an immigrant in NY was shot by the police. Around five officers shot him more than 40 times for reaching for his wallet and I.D..

    He was told loudly, several times, to raise his hands. He did not listen, or he did not understand.

    Before Obamacare was passed, there was such an uproar that
    Democrats had to hold “Town Hall” meetings to answer the public. One that I attended featured Sen. Lincoln and Rep. Berry, who both assured the audience that they had not nor would the support the proposed bill. Then they did. After that, they were the ones talking to people who would not listen. They lied to us, and we could care less how they justify their acts. Obama and company, that keep saying we don’t understand, are deluding themselves, or just trying to spin things in their favor.

    On the other hand, Republicans such as Carl Rove who reject the Christie O’Donnel’s who defeat party favorites , will be facing the same public. Glenn Beck and Sara Palin are leading a movement outside the Republic party to bring it back to it’s conservative roots. Tea Party candidates are speaking out demanding leadership rolls. If they are ignored, the Republicans may suffer in the next elections. I think about thirty percent vote along party lines each way. Forty percent are independents.

    Both sides had better start listening, or they will be out of work next time.

    • November 08, 2010
      Luntz on the mid terms
      Rick Moran, American Thinker
      Frank Luntz has some words of wisdom for both the GOP and Democrats:

      First, a warning to both sides. Republicans, for their part, must realize that the voters have given them a reprieve, not an endorsement. In my polling last week, GOP voters agreed with this statement by more than two to one: “I am willing to give the Republicans another chance, but if they mess up again, I’ll vote them out again, too.” That’s hardly a cause for GOP celebration.

      Similarly, Democrats must grasp that their defeats were not about deficient personalities or insufficient communication, but about their philosophy and substance. Roughly two out of three voters agreed with the statements that President Obama “has failed to deliver hope and change” and that in the midst of an economic crisis, Democrats “had their priorities wrong.”
      he post-midterm realities are simple: If the Republicans don’t deliver on their promises, they’re finished. If the Democrats continue doing what they’re doing, they’re finished.

      Both sides are promising to fulfill the will of the people, but people aren’t asking for promises. They’re asking for new priorities – their priorities.

      Over the past two years, I’ve polled tens of thousands of Americans. Their top complaint about politicians is that they fail to “say what they mean and mean what they say.” Their top complaint about government is that it lacks “accountability.” Their top complaint about Washington is that “government has grown too big, too inefficient, and too out of control to do even the bare minimum things it is supposed to do.”

      If you think that last bit sounds like the Tea Party agenda, you are correct. Political movements are only as successful as far as they can tap into what’s eating at people and verbalize what’s on their minds. This, the tea party has been very successful in doing and it should be interesting to see how much the GOP takes those sentiments to heart.

      Their success will depend on it.

  5. Anyone surprised-this is the kind of thing that has to stop. Does the jerk who got the seat from hair brush boy get to keep the seat until then?

    SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) – Illinois Republican Mark Kirk won’t be seated in the U.S. Senate in time for the start of the lame duck session of Congress this month – unlike two other newly elected senators.

    The session begins Nov. 15. But state officials say the paperwork officially declaring Kirk the winner of the Senate race won’t be delivered until Nov. 29.

    That should still allow Kirk to participate in two weeks of the session in December. He argued strongly during the campaign that voters needed to send him to the Senate quickly so he could help block spending and tax increases.

    Two Democrats are expected to be sworn in at the start of the lame duck session. Chris Coons of Delaware will fill the remainder of Vice President Joe Biden’s term, and Joe Manchin of West Virginia replaces the late Robert Byrd.

    http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2011666&spid=

    • Talk is that Manchin may change parties. That would be interesting.

      • From what I heard about his campaign-he sounded more like a conservative than a dem.-so if he plans to keep his word-he might be better off changing parties.

  6. Does the reasoning sound familiar ? What was it Obama said-I didn’t want to take over the banks or car companies -it was just an emergency situation. An emergency situation that not only made the government stock holders but also usurped our bankruptcy laws. But hey nothing bad is gonna happen here, we’re America.

    Hugo Chavez defends state takeovers of apartments

    (AP) – 22 hours ago

    CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Facing a wave of criticism from business leaders, President Hugo Chavez is defending his order for government officials to seize control of residential complexes.

    Chavez promised Sunday to crack down on construction and real estate companies that he accused of unjustly boosting prices, which he labeled “housing fraud.”

    The president, a self-proclaimed revolutionary who idolizes Cuba’s Fidel Castro and is currently on a visit to Havana, called his decision last week to order the expropriation of six residential complexes and “the temporary occupation” of eight gated communities in Caracas and other cities “an act of justice.”

    Venezuela’s consumer protection agency and state prosecutors are investigating complaints that construction companies and real estate firms are illegally charging buyers high interest on unfinished apartments, even though the buyers settled on a price years ago and made down payments.

    “We have decided to put an end to this type of organized crime,” Chavez wrote in his weekly newspaper column.

    Companies accused of violating consumer-protection regulations deny any wrongdoing.

    Apartment owners affected by the measures have had mixed reactions.

    Some don’t like having soldiers posted near their homes or fear the measure could encourage pro-Chavez squatters to invade buildings still under construction. Others applaud the measure, saying it has protected them from unscrupulous business practices.

    In some mostly middle-class residential complexes, groups of neighbors have implemented security measures aimed at keeping squatters out, such as organizing around-the-clock surveillance teams and putting a siren at entrances to be sounded in case of emergency.

    Apartment owners from one of the expropriated complexes — El Encantado Humboldt — issued a statement over the weekend criticizing the state takeover and throwing their support behind the company responsible for building the gated community, saying it never stopped construction as government inspectors have alleged.

    “We strongly reject the expropriation measure,” the statement said. “We are content with the construction company’s development of the project.”

    Critics of the expropriations and temporary state takeovers, including Chavez’s political opponents and Venezuela’s largest business chamber, warn the government’s measures will scare off investors and aggravate the country’s housing deficit.

    More than 1 million of Venezuela’s estimated 28 million inhabitants do not have adequate housing while millions more live in dangerous, laberinth-like slums ringing the South American nation’s cities.

    The government plans to invest $1.5 billion next year to build homes for poor and middle-class families, Chavez announced Sunday.

    Opposition politician Julio Borges accused Chavez on Sunday of trampling private-property rights and steering Venezuela toward Cuba-style communism.

    Borges told a news conference that Venezuelans don’t want to live in “a country of slaves, where the government is the owner of everything and the people aren’t owners of anything.”

    “We want a country of property owners,” he said.

    In a telephone interview with state television from Havana on Sunday, Chavez alleged that some construction and real estate firms are funding opposition groups. He did not provide details.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jViIL8JdFRIKrc9IQAm5wJeQovvQ?docId=c58d1a4610a24794a7be49968a459b09

  7. USW – Good article, sir.

    USW says: “First and foremost, the American voters simply rejected the party in power. Much like the last election, the party in power is the one that gets the blame for all that is wrong.”

    D13 observes: I do not think it is that simple this time. I think that there is finally some awakening that is beginning to happen. I think that the public is becoming more aware of politics and more aware of their representatives and more aware of the motives of ALL politicians. I believe that talk radio (both left and right agendas), cable News channels (both left and right agendas), and the technology age has made it a lot easier for the American public to get involved and stay abreast of the happenings.

    USW says: “The biggest result of so many things being steamrolled through Congress despite the wishes of the voters was that a good many people came to the conclusion that regardless of who is in power, the power should not be allowed to be absolute.”

    D13 observes again: yes sir. How does the saying go? Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely ! There is no doubt in this at all and I think you are totally correct. I think that because of the reasons stated above, there is a more informed electorate today. I do think that this is the way of the electorate to control the politics…..no more super majorities….on either side.

    USW notes: “Republicans are actually in the best position that they could be in at the moment. With control of the house they can pass legislation that they will claim is good and will help us forward. That legislation will not make it through the Senate and even if it does, the President’s VETO pen will be primed and ready.”

    D13 wide eyed hopes: Let the veto pen flow. I hope that the conservatives that have taken power push the issue. If a compromise is logical, then do so. DO NOT COMPROMISE YOUR POSITION SOLELY TO GET ALONG FOR THE SAKE OF BIPARTISANSHIP!!!!! For example, do NOT compromise on the extension of the tax issue. Extend them permanently for ALL. Force the veto. Then post who votes to override the veto and lambast them until hell freezes over. The ones that vote to override what the American people want need to be hung out for all to see. Do not ever give in again to a compromise. If you have a conviction…then stick to it. What the American people want is leadership and some “brass balls”. Cast iron would be better .

    USW goes on: “The elections mean nothing. The tennis match continues. Until we have an election where a new party comes into power that is committed to reducing the size and scope of government, that is committed to letting nothing get in the way of freedom and liberty, and who is committed to getting out of the way and becoming a true solution, we have seen nothing of consequence.”

    D13 muses: I think that there are some of these rookies that are coming in may have some makings of independent thinking. This remains to be seen. There does not really need to be a new party….neither democrat nor republican. There needs to be a change in the thinking. A replacement of the old guard that has fallen asleep on duty.

    D13 observed: In far West Texas, the right wing religious factions was thrown out and replaced by conservative thinking, In East Texas the same thing occurred. In normally blue far South Texas, the Hispanic vote threw out two of the far left progressive thinkers and the “blue” section is smaller. The economy is the driving factor on most of this. There was one Hispanic State legislator that made the comment, “ we work hard for our money, just as hard as anyone and we do not want to see it frittered away on stupid entitlement programs and health care that is government run. Most of us left Mexico because of government interference and a government health care system that does not work. So why would we risk coming to the United States and do it all over again.”

    D13 continues: You asked if the vote works. I still say yes it does work. But what works better……is an informed and educated voter. But, I will agree with you kind sir…..we shall see what the next two years hold. I really believe that if some of the fresh meat that is coming in holds their ground and avoids the “fever” and forces the issues and bucks the good old boy system…..and then is VOCAL about it. There will be the beginnings of change.

  8. Bottom Line says:

    USW – “The real question before us is what do the results of the 2010 election mean to us? The answer is probably not what you would expect. The answer is….

    nothing.”

    BL – They never do.

    It isn’t just the candidates, it is the system itself that prevents us from being represented. Representative government is a fallacy, an impossibility.

    The candidates lie to the largest percentage of voters and tell them whatever they think it is that they want to hear…then when in office, they either do what they want separate from the will of their constituents, or fail to deliver on their promises because they originally promised to do something they cannot do.

    They have no real control because whatever it is that they do has to be a collective agreement for anything to actually work. So unless they’re all honest, making the exact same promise, AND have all the necessary number of seats to have unchallenged control, they are full of shit every time they speak.

    Further more, even if the above were to happen, it is still impossible to represent everyone simultaneously. Everyone has a different political idealism. We are all individuals with our own individual standards and beliefs. This is apparent when you read statements like “I DON”T VOTE FOR BABY KILLERS!” as if one has the right to force another by proxy of government to live according to their own standards.

    You can please some of the people all of the time, and you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.

    So, in order for everyone to be satisfied….

    ~ EVERYONE in the country would have to agree to the exact same set of standards,morals, values, beliefs, etc… (basically everything)

    ~ ALL of the candidates/representatives would have to be honest, and in absolute compliance with the will of the people.

    ~ The entire body(or the required majority to pass bills) of so-called representatives would have to ALL vote in perfect coordination.

    It ain’t happening.

    You have a better chance of winning the lottery 100000 times in a row.

    As it is, it’s just a great big mess riddled with inconsistencies and contradictions where the only satisfied entity is government.

    No form of government is truly consistent with itself, and consistent with true freedom as the governed are always forced to live by the standards of another.

    The only way to have true freedom is to only be governed by the golden rule, to live as you choose with the only boundary being the encroachment of the rights and freedoms of others.

    The only neutral ground that is consistent with everyone is functional anarchy, a social order where everyone has a definitive understanding and respect for natural rights and personal responsibility….

    A.K.A. …a “Black Order”

    The current system with all it’s inconsistencies is breaking down and will eventually fall.

    The answer is to teach future generations how and what to rebuild.

  9. Black Flag analysis of the Election:

    As USWep correctly pointed out, the election was not about “choosing” but about “firing”.

    The only problem: the only other choice for the job is as bad or worse then the one fired.

    However, the People are not tuned to see this.

    They still hold that an argument for change means an argument for better – few realize it is an equal argument for worse.

    The Republicans will push bills toward the Senate demanding fiscal cutbacks, knowing full well that the Senate will reject (and if not, Obama will veto).

    The Reps then can propaganda that they are the party of restraint, and point to their bills and the Dem’s veto’s.
    This is a game in prep of 2012 – and it will work.

    The Reps will hijack the TEA “Party” under this deception of fiscal responsibility.

    The Rep’s will take both houses and the Presidency.

    By 2013/2014 the People will wake up and find themselves so deep in trouble that they may -finally- give up on politics. Both parties will have proven themselves completely perverted and impossible.

    Then, change will happen once again.

    It will be interesting to see if the coin used to decide changes too.

  10. Author Blasts ‘White Right’ and Their ‘Recent, Successful Temper Tantrum’

    * Posted on November 8, 2010 at 9:25am by Jonathon M. Seidl Jonathon M. Seidl
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    Writer Tim Wise has a message for white conservatives: “You need to drink up. And quickly. And heavily. Because your time is limited. Real damned limited.”

    Wise, the author of race-related books such as Colorblind and Between Barack and a Hard Place, published “An Open Letter to the White Right, On the Occasion of Your Recent, Successful Temper Tantrum” on his blog the day after last week’s elections. In it, he mocks white conservatives as “y’all rich folks” drinking champagne and scotch, and “y’all a bit lower on the economic scale“ enjoying ”whatever sh***y ass beer you favor,“ and accuses them of wanting to go back to an era of racism and hoping to turn the world ”into [their] personal casino.”

    “I know, you think you’ve taken ‘your country back’ with this election,” Wise writes, “and of course you have always thought it was yours for the taking, cuz that’s what we white folks are bred to believe, that it’s ours, and how dare anyone else say otherwise — but you are wrong.”

    Wise, who is white, goes on to compare white conservatives to “the bad guy in every horror movie ever made, who gets shot five times, or stabbed ten, or blown up twice, and who will eventually pass.”

    On Sunday, he appeared on CNN to defend his post:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/author-blasts-white-right-and-their-recent-successful-temper-tantrum/

    You need to go to this page and listen to his comments and Allen West’s reply. I have mentioned many times that the left or many on the left believe “taking our country back” is racist. The jerk, his name is Wise, a real misnomer, explains why he sees it that way. He also seems to be trying, by all his Y’all’s and talking about beer and champaign, to be attacking the rich and stupid southerners all in one ignorant stereotypical comment.

    I was proud of Mr. West’s calm and respectful counter. Hope he stands -he has convinced me that it is very likely.

    • VH,

      Great post! Had not heard of either. Loved Tea Party Republican West saying he would hold Republicans to task.

      “Wise, who is white, goes on to compare white conservatives to “the bad guy in every horror movie ever made, who gets shot five times, or stabbed ten, or blown up twice, and who will eventually pass.”

      Why are liberals always talking about violence? Then accuse Beck of inciting such acts?????

      • Beck hasn’t made me think about violence-He has just made me think. If anything, he makes me realize that violence would further the progressive agenda, not defeat it.

        But West is something isn’t he-I listened to his words and the word “Statesman” entered my head. Hope he’s for real.

    • V.H.

      That was the first time I heard Mr. West. All I can say is WOW!!!

      I sure hope he doesn’t drink the water when he gets there.

      Thanks for the link, it made me feel very good to know that men like him actually won.

    • Murphy's Law says:

      Thanks for the link, VH…..Mr. West was very impressive.

      If Mr. Wise wishes to see someone throwing a temper tantrum, he needs to go look in the mirror.

      Murf

  11. Remember – the only good politician is the one who represents you. The rest are crooks and need to be voted out. That’s how so many unethical pols keep their jobs in Washington (IMHO anyway).

    Occasionally an unethical politician won’t make the grade at all. Here in Colorado Republican Ken Buck challenged Senator Michael Bennet for his seat, and lost even though many polls showed him with a lead running up to the election. In the end it was Buck’s ethics that did him in, losing a lot of the women voters and enough of the independents to give the win to Bennet. Buck’s problem – ethics. His opponent and the DSCC made enough noise about Buck’s refusal to prosecute an alleged rapist because Buck felt the victim may have brought it upon herself. Also he had some problems in which in the past he gave information to a gun dealer under investigation (and said gun dealer later donated to Buck’s campaign).

    So it could be argued that ethics stop a candidate from being elected as long as that candidate isn’t the incumbent??????

    I agree that I don’t see this particular two party system “governing” any different than they have for decades. They believe they have a lock on the political power – and likely they do. If the Tea Party punishes the Republicans should they not listen and move in directions the Tea Party wants what’s going to happen? Will the Republicans lose power to the Tea Party? Will the Republican Party fade away to replaced by the Tea Party as the new “partner party” in the two party system?

    One of the problems I see is that if or when the economy turns up and most Americans don’t feel so worried over their futures, when they get back to living life to their enjoyment, then we’ll see them return to ignoring all the fighting between the parties and the direction the country is going. To them it’s not an issue as long as they have what they want each day to be happy in their lives. Americans become too complacent, so the politics is left to the ideologues and near-ideologues. That may sound callous, but it sure appears to be the truth to me (and there were times in life when I was guilty of that behavior too).

    This election, as you pointed out USW, means nothing in the long run.

    • You may be right-but I think the number of those paying attention has increased and I don’t think they are all ideologues of the extreme nature. I’m one and I have no intention of going back to sleep. I have many friends who aren’t going to go back to sleep. I have dems. who are telling me -they are finally convinced that the dems have gone off the deep end. I have hope and if we lose it won’t be because we didn’t try. I think many people are seeing the future and they realize that they didn’t pay enough attention. Hopefully, there are enough that have learned not to go back to sleep to make the difference and to teach their children to stay awake and not make the same mistake.

      • And you may well be right. But, I caution that America has seen these type of awakenings before. We had the awakenings of the Sixties, the Reaganism awakenings in the 80’s, and the recent left “awakening” of 2008. Did any of them really last or did Americans allow that complacency to come again – putting them more or less to sleep politically?

        The only way we’ll know is to see what happens over time.

        Heck BF could very well be right and 2013/14 will see a real upheaval. But again, only time will tell us. It’s like I teach my child, you only know if you made the right decision when you are looking at the backside of it.

        • Plain,

          you only know if you made the right decision when you are looking at the backside of it

          Wow!

          Do I ever disagree with that statement!

          We know we made the right decision if it is reasoned and in alignment with our principles – regardless of outcome.

          If we only measure “good” based on outcome, we end up justifying evil means.

          Thus, the measure must always take place at the point of action – the means and not the outcome.

          The means justifies the end.

          • OK BF, I guess I need to be clearer.

            Yes, you can make a “right” decision based on reason and alignment with your principles/ethics/morals. What I meant by right was if the outcome is what you desired/wanted/expected.

            So really we are on the same page sir. Sorry if I confused you.

            I’m not discussing whether the decision brings about evil against another person(s). That was not a part of my comment.

  12. Gold over $1400 today-it’s really something, I’m glad I’m not losing money but I actually would rather it go down.

    • V.H.

      Gold price is a direct measure of the trust in government – it goes higher as the distrust of government policy goes higher.

      So some things to think about:

      Gold is being purchased heavily – but not by US citizens.

      Last month, 82,000 US gold coins were sold – or about $100 million worth.
      In the same month, US investors bought …. $600 BILLION of US newly issued bonds (private and public issue).

      Gold is the single largest trading commodity on Earth – three times the size of oil trading. The entire global supply of gold is traded every 4 days by volume (obvious not PHYSICALLY moved around but by paper).

      If US citizens are not buying gold, someone else is….and that someone has to be using US$ to buy (as gold is bought and sold in US$).

      Does that not concern you?

      Where do these US$ dollars go when they are turned into gold?
      What will happen to gold (and silver) prices with the US public finally clues in?

      • All I really get about all this is that gold goes up the dollar goes down. I know that the dollar is the currency used in international trade but how that actually works and affects the dollar-beats me. It has always seemed like a huge advantage in the past. An advantage that we may lose. Anything else you are welcome and encouraged to explain.

        I’m also interested in how the Fed. works. Who authorizes them to do what they do-They seem to just announce what they are going to do-shouldn’t Congress have to vote when their actions effect us so much?

        • V.H.

          Neither the Congress nor the President has any real authority over the Fed. They are pretty much autonomous.

          I say pretty much, because Congress can compel testimony and theoretically could DISBAND the FED all together. But I don’t think that is a real threat so what we see is just the little Kabuki dance when the Chairman testifies, using FED SPEAK to make sure there is no real information given out.

          The President gets to appoint the FED board members. That is all the authority the Pres has.

  13. Bottom Line says:

    USW – “Time to get that VDLG train rolling again.”

    BL – That’s a start.

    I like NDG better.

    🙂

    • I think ALL the Tea Party republicans elected were small government advocates.
      We will have to see if their words and deeds are the same….

      • Agreed, and they are talking like they will not toe the party line (the republican one). The Reps, on the other hand, are talking about trying to “bring them into the fold”. Let us hope that the tea party has more will than the republicans.

        • That has been Beck & Palin’s message from the start. I expect them to be just as vocal against the Republicans if they do not listen to the TeaPartiers. Cut spending and reduce government.

  14. BF are you really sure that Climate Change is really dead?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101108/ts_alt_afp/scienceusclimate

    • Bamadad,

      Yes, it is dead. The thrashing is merely the the death throes of those whose funding is about to get cut off.

      Without Germany, China and India – the US has no guts to go it allow – decimate their economy for absolutely no reason.

      Maybe a few individual states will flurry up something – but it will cost them dearly and eventually will be withdrawn.

      The idiocy still plays on the Main Stream but the People are not interested in anything that threatens to further crush any economic hopes.

      It is safe to laugh at the zealots out loud now.

    • (Wow, no opinions interjected in this “news” report. Who is AFP that this guy writes for?)

      Indeed, a study by Yale University in October found that 50 percent of Americans know

      global warming is caused mainly by humans
      (Well, Gore did say the debate was over)

      and just 19 percent understand that

      carbon dioxide can linger for thousands of years after it is emitted.
      (Funny, I thought it was decades. Maybe a decimal point got misplaced)

  15. Well, how `bout that?!?

    A former U.S. Army Special Forces man has now declared that any and all elections within the borders of the United States of America mean absolutely nothing!

    Thank you USW for your demoralizing declaration. I know that any upcoming young American who will reach voting age by the next election will want to just run out and register to vote after reading your glowing article filled with disdain for the American people of the Christian religions and the American voting process in general.

    Just curious . . . did you bother to vote at all?

    FYI – the system will not get fixed overnight, or by just one election, simply because it did not get broken overnight or by just one election. Stop trying to discourage everyone from voting and start trying to teach them HOW to fix the problem by getting out and voting for what ever it is that they believe in, be it the Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green, or whatever political ideal that they think is closest to what they believe in. HINT: No one individual or political party will ever meet anyone’s exact political aspirations, but some may be closer than others.

    But what ever you do, get off this kick about how voting does no good whatsoever!

    Just so you know, that is if you read this this far, I know that is not what you intended this article to imply . . . but from the standpoint of someone who had never read any of your articles before, that is exactly what it sounded like to my ten year old Grandson.

    • USW, This is pretty much what I was trying to get at when I asked if you voted. I wasn’t thinking quite as harshly as PapaDawg (nice to hear from you PD) but your article does come off just as he says. You named your blog SUFA but it seems you’ve been hangin out with the resident anarchists too much. 🙂

      • A citizen can love his country and at the same time recognize its flaws. It does not make him/her unpatriotic or an anarchist! It is an ignorant person and not a patriot who refuses to see the failures of a country because they’re afraid they won’t love it anymore.

    • PapaDawg,

      “I know that any upcoming young American who will reach voting age by the next election will want to just run out and register to vote after reading your glowing article filled with disdain for the American people of the Christian religions and the American voting process in general.”

      Wow, where do I begin? First off, you’re assumption that USW’s latest post is intended to depress people into failure- based on your previous experience with this blog can you really back that up?

      Secondly, you automatically assume that America’s youth can’t (or don’t have the capacity) to critically analyze what they read. Your response shows your own pessimism.

      Thirdly, USW did NOT say that voting was useless he said that our current voting process is broken and that there needs to be a change. The blog is designed to take that kind of statement and, by discussion, turn it into a solution. Your inability to grasp this is tale-telling.

      • The pot calling the kettle black? Did YOU read my statement all the way through? If you had, you would have read this;

        “Just so you know, that is if you read this this far, I know that is not what you intended this article to imply . . . but from the standpoint of someone who had never read any of your articles before, that is exactly what it sounded like to my ten year old Grandson.”

        So, in your defense of USW’s erroneous statement about the following;

        “But I digress (as I so often do). The real question before us is what do the results of the 2010 election mean to us? The answer is probably not what you would expect. The answer is….

        nothing.

        The elections mean nothing.” (these are USW’s words, not mine)

        Just how do you defend THAT? (to a ten year old, even)

        • I read your piece from start to finish and found it to be a mere review of USW’s article (which anyone could do- and better, but that’s not really what this blog is for).

          1. USW (I don’t think) writes this blog for 10 year olds and although I’m sure your grandson is certainly welcome to read and contemplate current events, it’s not USW’s job to dilute his opinion. It’s your job to guide your grandson. You could say something like this:

          “Grandson, in this article USW is saying that our CURRENT parties are corrupt and not able to truly make good, long term decisions that will benefit our nation. He believes that because these parties are so self-absorbed that voting has become hollow and lacking quality. He SUGGESTS that perhaps a new party might bring this eternal tug of war out of stalemate. Now, grandson, what do you think we should do?”

          Blaming USW for not taking responsibility for YOUR grandson’s understanding of his article is ridiculous.

          2. You say that USW doesn’t offer a solution in his article, but he does. He offers up an idea that a new party might less the Democrat/Republican B.S. and create a middle-ground.

          3. The elections mean “nothing” this time around. USW does not imply that they always will. Perhaps your grandson might have a good idea to make sure that the elections do mean something in future races. Good ideas and problem solving is what the comment box is for.

  16. Bottom Line says:

    Kathy – “You know what BL, your newly found anarchist viewpoint…”

    BL – I’m not sure that it’s “newly found”, but rather re-discovered and confirmed through critical thinking.

    Kathy – “is quite haute, if not downright arrogant.”

    BL – I’m not sure that I agree with your characterization. I don’t intend to sound as such, and and I apologize if I have somehow offended you.

    Kathy – “So you know better than everyone else – well good for you!”

    BL – I don’t claim to know better than anyone else. But if I see something, if I am paying attention to something that others do not catch, I’ll sometimes send up a warning flare so to speak. When everyone is blindly following what is jammed into their head, I’m questioning it, looking for the contradiction, the inconsistencies, trying to make some sort of sense out of it. Forgive me for my critical thinking.

    Kathy – “Why in the world would you even turn on TV, let alone “Faux News”?”

    BL – I don’t watch a lot of TV as a matter of fact, and as I stated the other day(Wednesday), I was watching FAUX because they were flashing the election results faster than the other major “news” channels. I didn’t have ALL DAY. Forgive me for paying attention.

    Kathy – “My God you certainly must be above such things that are meant for more simple minded people.”

    BL – Kathy, I’m not simple minded, nor have I ever been, nor will I ever be. Forgive me for having a brain. I have nothing else in this world accept for my intellect. I may as well use it.

    I often find myself enormously frustrated with the consequences of the stupidity of others. That’s not to say that I am infallible, that I haven’t done PLENTY of infinitely stupid things myself. And believe me when I say that there isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t kick myself for them.

    One morning a few years ago, I had been up all day and all night due to a particularly stressful set of circumstances. I hadn’t eaten in a day or so either because my stomach was in a knot. I needed a nap real bad. I was really worn down and just couldn’t sleep. I decided to smoke a fat joint so that I might actually have an appetite, eat something, and be relaxed enough to doze off.

    After smoking, when the buzz kicked in, I decided, just for shits and giggles, to take an IQ test since it was probably the worst conditions to do so. So I found one of those online tests designed by a group of doctors/experts, one that looked legitimate, and proceeded.

    A few minutes after completion, I got an email telling me that I was “gifted” and scored in the top 2.3% of the quarter million or so people that had taken the very same test.

    It pissed me off. It was nothing but a BIG FAT SLAP IN THE FACE, a reminder that I am capable of doing so much more, but am still just an uneducated redneck nobody loser with nothing…nothing but a brain.

    So forgive me when I use it to try and expand my knowledge and share it with others to show them what they apparently do not see. It has to at least be good for something. Forgive me for trying to be useful.

    Of course, maybe you’re right. I’m being arrogant in my attempt to point things out and shouldn’t waste my time.

    Have you ever read “The Catcher In The Rye”?

    The story rests on a dream metaphor where the main character (Holden Caufield)is having an internal conflict about growing up and accepting responsibility. He’s standing near a cliff in a rye field trying to play goalie to keep the playing children from falling to their death. He romanticizes the thought of the noble act of being the catcher in the rye.

    When he tells his father’s friend of this, he responds with “The mark of an immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one.”

    In other words… part of wisdom is knowing when to decide that it isn’t your problem, that it isn’t worth it.

    What you or anyone else does is not my problem. I should just shut the phuq up and allow all the vote-tards to fall off of the proverbial cliff.

    I should just let all the sheeple be free to think as the media tells them to think.

    I should just keep to myself and stay out of it.

    Who am I to speak freely?

    Goodbye.

    • Both of ya meet me behind the shed!

      • yeah, yeah, you read about the weed, didn’t ya??????

      • Bottom Line says:

        I haven’t been exactly keeping track, but it’s been at least a couple of months.

        I’ve been reluctantly donating a bit of clean urine lately.

        It’s only a matter of time before I can once again indulge. I’m looking forward to a time where I can have a little after-work induced relaxation.

        🙂

    • BL,
      …and then you read the story of Isiah.

      The message is never about trying guide those that are unwilling to search for the promised land.

      The message is to give hope to those in search of the promised land who feel alone and abandoned among the unwilling.

      Freedom will never be delivered to a nation.

      Freedom is individual choice.

      A nation will find itself free when the People, individually, reach for freedom.

      The People will not gain freedom when the State disappears.

      The State will disappear when the People find their own freedom.

      • Bottom Line says:

        I rather like that.

        It puts things into perspective as well as offers a little encouragement.

        Thanks, Flag.

    • Re-read your posts and tell me again how you are not looking down on anyone who hasn’t reached the same conclusions as you, through of course, your critical thinking, which no one else uses.

      • Kathy,

        Such as???

      • Bottom Line says:

        Kathy,

        Stupid is as stupid does. There is a difference between intellect and stupidity…and I’ve done a lot of stupid things. I’m not so arrogant to think that I’m not just as stupid as anyone else.

        I know I’ve been pounding the message lately, perhaps because now is the time to do so while it’s all still fresh in everyone’s minds.

        I’m just trying to draw attention to what I see.

        I’m not trying to make anyone feel inferior or insulted. I’m nobody special. I’m just a nobody loser, remember?. I’m just trying to wake a few more people up.

        And not without the recognition of those that see what I do…hence my mention of it above.

        (BL – “I note so many similar subtleties in the way things are reported, as do so many others.”)

        My brazenness has been somewhat of a “Hey! Wake up!” type slap in the face, an attempt at breaking people from their rationalizations. People are often stubborn(myself included). Sometimes it takes a little pressure.

        What I see is a bunch of rapidly awakening Americans in a state of passion and fervor, desperately trying to fix this god awful mess we’re in…with no clear answer as to exactly how, other than playing the same ol’ game, just with more effort.

        I see people doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results…all the while, it just keeps getting worse.

        I see the media attempts at directing/re-directing the focus as to herd the sheeple, celebrating the perpetuation of the same old same old.

        …Like the above mentioned celebration of the repubs winning the house and not the same for the dems keeping the senate…

        …Like when Hannity, leading up to the election, making comments about how the repubs are gonna have to get on the ball if they’re gonna fix the dem’s mess…AS IF they are the answer, AS IF it isn’t just as much their fault…

        …Or like when Beck dedicates part of his show to go about refuting and demonizing anarchist philosophy, complete with BF’s icon on his board, and speaking as though he is using his show to respond to things BF has said right here in SUFA.

        I have long suspected that people at FAUX are readers here. I like to push their buttons just in case I’m right.

        🙂

        • BL

          like when Beck dedicates part of his show to go about refuting and demonizing anarchist philosophy, complete with BF’s icon on his board, and speaking as though he is using his show to respond to things BF has said right here in SUFA

          When and what show was this???

          What did he say???

          • Bottom Line says:

            He did an entire show on anarchy on June 9, 2010…less than a month after Jon’s article.

            I only caught a few minutes of it at the time, and my memory was kinda foggy about exactly what it was that pertained to SUFA discussions, so I went to youtube and sifted through the episode.

            He used the Black Flag symbol and not the typical anarchy symbol(which was what originally caught my attention at the time).

            He demonized anarchy and equated it and The Black Flag Movement to radical leftist elements in our current government.

            And it wasn’t what he said that was responding to YOU, but rather a Karl Marx quote that pertained to something that I said in the discussion under Jon’s article (BL – “The closest I think we can get is a Global Communist Libertarian form of Anarchy. Which starts getting into Marxist theories if you analyze it far enough.”) …as well as my whole “Order out of Chaos” thing.

            Check it out…

            Pt 2 Glenn Beck Anarchist/Marxist BLACK FLAG REVOLUTION Hideous MARX writings FOX

            • A Puritan Descendant says:

              I have only seen GB a few times and I really liked him. But after watching that I can’t help but wonder if he slipped a cog. I will give it another chance and watch it again when I am more clear headed…..

              • Bottom Line says:

                I don’t watch him, with the exception of the 5 or 10 minutes here and there when I’m flipping through the channels looking for something to watch before I fall asleep.

                I just happened to see the flag icon and stopped just long enough to decide I would rather watch something else.

                “slipped a cog” is a good way of putting it.

        • “Time to get that VDLG train rolling again.”

          How? Just by talking it up here? I don’t think Obama or Pelosi are listening. They are quite content for you to ignore them.

          The source for change will be internal or external.

          Choose your “weapon”. Tell us where it shall point?
          What effect will we see when “fired”?

          All we have done since coming here is talk! So? Words have meaning, and can have power. Change from within means learning and educating. If FOX and Beck are listening to us, lets be rational in our message. The Tea Party, with it’s small government advocates may be the path to VDLG.

  17. I’m not sure if this has been broached, but voter turnout is traditionally much lower between midterm elections and Presidential elections. According to statistics it was the youth that failed to turn out in large numbers this election season. The lack of concern for this election is sad, but not all that surprising.

    Speaking for the young(er) group, I find that many people my age don’t quite grasp the importance of the midterm election or else don’t grasp their importance concerning the midterm election. Perhaps it’s a sense of “que sera, sera.” I must admit that the sense of frustration at the lack of a good choice was certainly overwhelming.

    But more importantly, I find that Presidential elections are treated with far more gravity than the midterms. For instance, we don’t see debates between our senate or representative candidates. We see TONS of commercials which lack in viable information and no real sense of logic, reason, or problem solving, but instead are filled with a reliance on sheer grit and negative emotional pulls. It’s no wonder America is so numb to the corruption when we are privy to it in between each segment of our favorite tv shows. At some point the names and faces of the people who Lead our country merge with our favorite fictional lead characters. America’s focus on the House and the Senate are not given nearly the same attention as the outcome of “Dancing with the Stars.”

    Can we blame anyone but ourselves when we demand nothing more?

    • icomeanon,

      Can we blame anyone but ourselves when we demand nothing more?

      You are here today because you’ve demanded something for nothing and asked government to provide.

      The more you demand the worse it will get. Ironically, it does matter a hoot what you demand!

      Government only gives what it takes and it takes without care or concern of consequences.

      You asked, you got and now you will suffer.

      • Black Flag,

        You and I agree. If only we could have more Guy Fawkes and less Eeyores, America might be a better place.

        Where’s the gun powder?

        • Icomeanon,

          Ah, I have been growing a beard (my daughter says I now look like an older Tony Stark of Ironman movies) – so …. hmmm…

          …but violence is not my tool, so the pen will have to do!

          • I don’t think a beard would become me, but the sentiment remains.

          • Here is your problem – you cannot claim to be an anarchist and a pacifist at the same time as the tool of the anarchist is violence to bring about anarchy.

            • Papa
              I do NOT claim I am a pacifist – don’t try comin’ into my house uninvited! 😉

              Anarchy does NOT use violence to bring about change – that would be contradiction to anarchy itself which at its root is self-rule.

              Ruling you so I can rule myself is a contradiction.

              My freedom does not need your freedom ..nor your slavery.

              It just needs you to not impose upon me.

            • Bottom Line says:

              PD,

              I think you should re-check your understanding of anarchy.

              Anarchy is all about living peacefully within a functional social order in the absence of government.

              It’s all about getting along just fine without government.

              Think of something closer to a modernized Amish village where everyone has a definitive understanding of natural rights and personal responsibility as it relates to freedom

              …rather than something chaotic like “Mad Max”.

    • icomeanon,

      You are correct on midterm turnout.
      Numbers for Arkansas:
      2000-46.14%
      2002-39.624
      2004-50.81%
      2006-36.55%
      2008-50.47%
      2010-35.79%

      My information is that Democrats voted in smaller numbers. My thoughts to explain that, many Democrats are unhappy with the actions of their party, but could not bring themselves to vote against a Democrat. Voter remorse.

      As for the youth turn-out, Obama and Hollywood targeted the youth. Their refusal to vote, to me, counts as rejection.

      • LOI

        Politicians have been chasing the YOUTH vote my entire life. Mr. Obama was the first to actually get it to turn out, but still far less than the regular voter population.

        The answer to their disappearance is quite simple. Cynicism, sarcasm, and short attention span.

        I think you can thank our lack of Civics education to a large degree.

        Mr. Obama was not running for office this time. It is very likely they might turn out to vote for him again. But they really don’t give a rip about Congressional races or local races. They are all about the Rock Star.

        • JAC,

          The Campaigner-in-Chief tried ever trick. Massive fail. I think the reason is not that they did not hear, nor understand. They disagree. Being lied to and played for fools causes cynicism and remorse. Did the stimulus save and create jobs as promised? Did Obamacare cut medical expenses?
          When the results don’t match the advertisements, shoppers remorse occurs.

          http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/10/blogger-mtv-asked-for-light-qu.html

          I still find it hard to understand that they only with-held their vote, and did not react by rejecting the incumbents.

          • Buck the Wala says:

            I think you’re looking at this from your own biased view. I would characterize this as much different — some buyer’s remorse? Sure, but not for the reasons you may think. A lot of Dems are upset with the administration not for disagreeing with the Dems main platform, but for a belief that the administration did not go far enough and gave up a lot of what we wanted to see done in the name of ‘compromise’ (despite not garnering a single GOP vote).

            • Buck

              So is the young voter prone to withdraw if they don’t get instant gratification?

              Is that really any different than it has always been for the “younger” generation?

              • Buck the Wala says:

                Its not just the young Dem voters. Most young voters dont’ have the interest level to begin with, especially not for the midterm elections. But a lot of Dem voters in general that I know of are upset with the administration for not really pushing for the causes they voted Obama in on, at least not to the level they had wanted.

              • Impatience is not isolated to the young. Everyone in today’s world demands instant gratification. Obama was very clear that the changes he intended to make would take time, but nobody on the left listened (and, to be fair, he didn’t overly stress the point).

                They wanted him to wave his magic want and heal the economy, create single payer, legalize marijuana, abolish DOMA and DADT, guarantee gay rights, end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (but still ‘win’), and to do this all in a bipartisan manner.

                I can’t justify buyer’s remorse when they bought something based on what they wanted it to be while ignoring the caveats.

                In summation: People. Are. Dumb.

            • Buck,

              “I think you’re looking at this from your own biased view.”

              How does that differ from you or everyone else? I try not to be biased, but acknowledge my failings. I think those who are are unhappy they did not go farther are the fringe left, not the majority of the Dem’s. I admit I could be wrong.

              “done in the name of ‘compromise’”
              Sorry, they had a majority in both houses. The compromises they made were within their own party.

              • Buck the Wala says:

                Valid point – I am approaching this from my biased view as well.

                Sure, some compromises made were within the Dem party, but lets be honest. The Dems can’t do anything right…ever. If it was the GOP, they would go lockstep and force all members to vote party line. Also, most compromises were made to get some Repubs to vote for certain legislation. Of course, the Repubs as I said will always go lockstep on such matters, as evidenced by the fact that not a single Republican vote was garnered.

              • OK, we agree we are both biased. I don’t see the Repug’s marching in lockstep. If the old guard doesn’t pay attention, I expect the young guns to raise ‘ell.

                And weather you like him or not, Beck will give them a voice.

              • It’s really very easy to see that it’s political opposition and not ideological opposition. If it were ideological, some Republicans would have joined on, even if most did refused. It’s the lock-step that gives it away.

              • Matt,
                “political opposition”
                Karl Rove

                http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-real-reason-karl-rove-flipped-out-on-christine-odonnell-2010-9

                “ideological opposition”
                Tea Party

              • Buck, and Mathius

                I think you will find that the supposed “lock step” is most effective when a party is in the minority.

                Even when they may disagree, they know they have to be unified to create a legitimate voice.

                The Dems were doing the same thing when the R’s had it all.

                You both also seem to forget that is was the vote of 3 Republicans that allowed the Dems big legislation to pass. Not exactly keeping them all in lock step was it?

      • LOI

        Interesting graph on voter turnout among various countries since 1960.

        US turnout was pretty high until 1960, when it started to decline.

        By the way, here in Montana our turnout for the midterms was around 70% I think. I know the county was over 70%.

        So I think it is hard to judge based on our local experiences. It varies across the country.

      • For this initial estimate of those most likely to vote, Gallup has modeled a lower turnout estimate (40%, typical for recent midterm elections) and a higher turnout estimate. In both cases, the Republican share of the vote is above 50% and the Democratic share is 40% or less, underscoring the strong position in which the GOP would find itself were the election held today.

        Gallup has found Republicans, compared with Democrats, expressing higher levels of enthusiasm about voting and more thought given to the elections throughout 2010. It follows that models in which voting is restricted to those most likely to vote would show Republicans doing disproportionately well.

        http://www.gallup.com/poll/143363/gop-positioned-among-likely-midterm-voters.aspx

  18. Recommend reading Decision Points…pretty good.

  19. Paul Volker admits that there is nothing that can be done about unemployment in the near future.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/09/paul-volcker-unemployment-short-term_n_780787.html

    • JAC

      Volker is a Keynesian, and therefore an idiot.

      Labor is an economic good. You want low unemployment, drop the cost of labor!

      Believe me, cut the cost of labor in half, and unemployment “problem” would disappear over night.

      But this is not in the government’s power, nor should government even try.

      The best they can do is repeal the min. wage, eliminate unemployment insurance and eliminate welfare or…

      …simply eliminate income tax.

      But they will never do that.

      Thus, there is no cure for high unemployment.

      • I don’t see where the elimination of income tax wil affect unemployment unless you are talking about State income tax. However, just the elimination of U/E would probably be enough by itself. Redefining welfare will do the same. A combination of all three would be great. Throw in the elimination of min wage….whoooeee. That will do it over night..

        • D13,

          Income tax is a cost to the company, but unrealized by labor.

          $100,000 cost to company for labor.
          $60,000 realized by labor.

          No income tax
          $60,000 cost to company for labor.
          $60,000 realized by labor.

          Eliminating income tax significantly reduces the cost of labor to the company – remember unemployment is the consequence that the COST of labor is too high

          • D13,

            One side of the coin – incentives for labor to drop their direct costs by increasing labor desperation for income (eliminating U/I, welfare, etc.)

            Other side of the coin is to lower the INDIRECT costs of labor – regulation and income tax. I’d start here because labor is -after all – human beings and it is difficult for people to reduce their standards of living to support a lowering of income.

            It is easier to chop the costs of delivery of labor (regulation and income tax) as these do not impact the realized income delivered to labor.

          • BF

            I’m sorry my friend but something is not clicking with your discussion.

            I don’t see how the company’s income tax is considered a tax cost of having labor.

            The tax is on profits after all labor expenses.

            I also don’t see how eliminating income tax will necessarily result in MORE jobs. I could see how it might prevent further job losses if the company can keep limping along until things improve.

            • JAC,

              PERSONAL Income Tax – don’t care about corporate tax whatsoever….

              (1)The demand of an economic good is inverse to its cost.

              (a)High cost/lower demand

              (b)Low cost/Higher demand.

              (2)Labor is an economic good.

              (3) Lowering the cost of labor will increase demand of labor per (1b)

              (4)Eliminating personal income tax reduces the cost of labor WITHOUT reducing the realized income to the human being.

              (a)With Personal Income tax: Cost of labor for business = $100,000.
              (b)Personal Tax Rate=40%
              (c)Realized income to labor=$60,000

              No Personal Income tax – given no change in realized income to labor

              (d)Cost of Labor:=$60,000
              (e) No Income tax deducted
              (f)Realized income to Labor:$60,000

              There reduction in costs to the business for exactly the same labor – by economic law (1), there will be an increase in demand for labor.

              Unemployment will go down…substantially…for all classes of labor, type and age.

              • BF

                So let me restate.

                You think that by reducing the employee’s taxes to 0, a savings to the employee of $40,000, that this will somehow be passed to the company.

                Only if the reduced tax cost is passed on is it an actual reduction in labor cost to the company. Otherwise it is just an increase in income to the employee.

                So I assume you are expecting the business to cut wages to some extent not to exceed $40,000. This allows the employee to maintain or even increase net income.

                I don’t agree that a reduction in labor costs automatically increases employment. At least on an individual business or sector basis. But at the National scale it would obviously increase employment above the Keep Income Tax Alternative.

                Do I have your assumptions correct?

            • JAC,

              So thinking about it some more:

              one VLDG (again, not that I am anywhere near supporting such a beast) platform should be eliminating PERSONAL income tax as a means to increase employment.

              One need not cut a single dime out of the Federal budget – simply swallow an increase in inflation by replacing the tax revenue with more government debt.

              However, government costs for welfare/UI will drop as employment increases.

              The real benefit: unlike the artificial credit fueling an unsustainable boom (and massive MISallocation of labor), this would not cause a Keynesian “boom/crackup” cycle.

              Business access to credit has not been expanded – but the cost to labor to business has been reduced.

              • BF

                “One need not cut a single dime out of the Federal budget – simply swallow an increase in inflation by replacing the tax revenue with more government debt.”

                How the hell do you keep hyperinflation from erupting? We are talking about over 1 trillion annually to replace the income tax with printed money.

                Wait, I just figured out what your trying to do. You are looking to sell more govt debt, thus taking money from the market and then spending it back into the market.

                But how is the effect on the economy any different? The money is extracted and then spent by Gov. I guess at least you could say it is voluntary, in the sense that I choose to buy the Fed Notes. Thus in a sense, they are excess dollars in that the investor has no higher potential return for his money.

                Will have to play with some numbers before I am willing to jump on board. But it does sound pretty clever.

                I don’t see how we prevent collapse however without getting the deficit and then the debt reduced or eliminated. Your plan just increases the debt without limit.

                In fact, what the heck is that you are really up to here?

              • On the one hand, I think the inflationary idea is far worse than the income tax. However, it would very possibly jumpstart the economy. The costs of labor go down (keep in mind that there are some taxes paid by the employer, SS in particular, that are not even counted as part of employee compensation. Besides that, taxes are pulled from a check before it is given to the employee, so a reduction purely for the employer might be possible, or at least some hybrid of it). Furthermore, the cost os saving would rise. People sitting on cash would find its value constantly diinishing due to inflation from printed money. So, the only solution is to invest or spend. Monies would then be put into expansion and production, or into companies that were poised for growth, in order to maintain wealth.

                It is a scary solution, but it could work.

  20. Uh oh……..some poor sun commander is going to end his career today…..or some poor midshipman….hit the fire button with no safety……OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOpppppps!!!!! Appears the missile was fired accidentally. That is the only thing that makes sense. HAte it when that happens…..lol. Nothing hurt….but some pride.

  21. USW

    Things better to calm lately. This should liven it up. Feel free to move to Open Mic if you happen to post that tonight.

    Anyway folks. Is Islam getting an unfair advantage over other religions in our society?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/11/de_facto_shariah_law_in_americ.html

  22. JAC

    You think that by reducing the employee’s taxes to 0, a savings to the employee of $40,000, that this will somehow be passed to the company.

    “Somehow” – the specific plan details (shrug) – initially maybe a tax credit to companies equal to the tax withholding (so that employees don’t suddenly demand a $40,000 “raise”) that will be reduced annually by 25% on both sides (income tax take and credit).

    But, yes “somehow”.

    Only if the reduced tax cost is passed on is it an actual reduction in labor cost to the company. Otherwise it is just an increase in income to the employee.

    Agreed….not so bad either, but if the goal is to reduce unemployment, increasing take home of employees will do that too … but slower…

    Companies would re-evaluate the wage as an expense and renegotiate with the employees to reduce the cost, but perhaps share in the tax-recovery (shrug)…but yes, it would a SLOWER reduction of unemployment

    So I assume you are expecting the business to cut wages to some extent not to exceed $40,000. This allows the employee to maintain or even increase net income.

    Agreed

    I don’t agree that a reduction in labor costs automatically increases employment.

    Provide your economic theory that demonstrates labor is a “different” economic good, immune to economic law which operates on all other economic goods (except labor).

  23. JAC

    “One need not cut a single dime out of the Federal budget – simply swallow an increase in inflation by replacing the tax revenue with more government debt.”

    How the hell do you keep hyperinflation from erupting? We are talking about over 1 trillion annually to replace the income tax with printed money.

    Raise interest rates higher then the rate of inflation.

    Wait, I just figured out what your trying to do. You are looking to sell more govt debt, thus taking money from the market and then spending it back into the market.

    Nope, solve unemployment.
    Keynes was partly correct when he posited that interest rates and employment run in reverse correlation – but only true if the government does not use tax (primarily income tax) as revenue.

    I don’t see how we prevent collapse however without getting the deficit and then the debt reduced or eliminated. Your plan just increases the debt without limit.

    Agreed. Other problems will appear in the economy – but we knew that.

    Remember what we are doing – we are manipulating the market place away from its optimum of the free market and that always causes distortions somewhere.

    There is NOTHING the government can do to avoid damaging the economy, and this is no different.

    We are solving ONE problem – and creating a mess somewhere else.

    The only solution is to eliminate government – but you do not like that solution either. Indeed that is the only immutable non-solution you have!

    So there exists no such thing as a government “solution”, but a shift to where the worse of the problem will manifest

    In fact, what the heck is that you are really up to here

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