Nevada Seeks to Trample Rights to Increase Appeal?

As all of you have seen over the last week or two, we are beginning to see the changes at SUFA take shape. This week we had our first article that was actually published by someone else, in the form of G-Man’s article, which obviously stirred up a little bit of controversy and a good deal of discussion. One of the other changes that I have been pondering was the elimination of the “Open Mic Night” as we have done it in the past. To be honest we still have the ability to share articles and start conversations around them every day of the week, and that is exactly what was happening. So instead of the traditional open mic format I will be publishing some open mic type topics in their own articles. This will help focus the conversation and make it easier to follow while I decide what to change in the format. It simply isn’t as easy to follow a discussion in the new comments format, so this will help. And it allows me to publish more articles per week which means fresh content more often.

This week I ran across this particular article early on. I tucked it away as a potential for open mic and I am sharing it now because I think it is a legitimate topic to discuss. The article was this:

Brothel Owners Concerned Reid May be Outlawing Prostitution

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, urging Nevada to have an “adult conversation about an adult subject,” called on his home state Tuesday to abolish legalized prostitution.

The Nevada Democrat issued the call during a speech to the state Legislature. Anticipating the challenge to their livelihood, brothel owners and prostitutes traveled to Carson City in advance to attend the address.

Reid cast his plea Tuesday as an economic decision, suggesting major businesses will not invest in the struggling state as long as it’s the last holdout where prostitution is legal.

“When the nation thinks about Nevada, it should think about the world’s newest ideas and newest careers, not about its oldest profession,” Reid said. “If we want to attract business to Nevada that puts people back to work, the time has come to outlaw prostitution.”

Reid said other parts of the country do not “believe” in Nevada, pointing to its lagging education system and other economic problems. But he said Nevada must prove to the world it’s a “21st century state.”

He called for greater investment in education, while hailing Nevada’s success in hosting renewable energy firms. But to turn the corner, Reid said the brothels have to go.

“I’ve talked to families who feel the same way, parents who don’t want their children to look out a school bus and see a brothel, or to live in a state with the wrong kind of red lights,” he said. “Nevada needs to be known as the first place for innovation and investment, not the last place where prostitution is still legal.”

The Las Vegas Review-Journal earlier reported that brothel owners were anticipating the remarks. Brothel lobbyist George Flint told the newspaper he was bringing at least a dozen “professionally” dressed employees to the speech.

Brothel owner Dennis Hof pledged to have “10 hookers in the front row.”

Nevada is the only state where prostitution is legal, though it is confined to the rural counties and heavily regulated. Las Vegas and other more populated areas of the state do not permit prostitution.

The Supreme Court, incidentally, also weighed in on a Nevada brothel dispute Tuesday. The high court refused to consider a challenge to state laws prohibiting newspaper brothel ads in places where prostitution is illegal.

Read the Article where it originally appeared here:

Let me first just say that I find it awful ironic that the Senate Majority Leader for the same party that absolutely abhors christians attempting to legislate morality or telling others what to do based on moral beliefs now comes to us claiming that we should be making prostitution illegal. I mean, fundamentally I always assumed that this would be the position taken up by Lindsey Graham or one of the other GOP members who regularly bow down to the whims of the church. So to see Reid doing so makes me wary in the first place. What is his angle? Attempting to pick up votes? Why now?

It isn’t lost on me that he attempted to cloak this as a business or fiscal position. But I believe that this reasoning is not only faulty, it simply is inaccurate. I don’t believe that there are any businesses that are eschewing the state of Nevada because they don’t like that Nevada has legalized prostitution. And Reid attempting to say that businesses are rejecting Nevada on moral grounds flies in the very face of the position that his party regularly takes: Businesses are immoral and will screw the world in order to make a dollar. We need government to protect us from businesses who would do anything to make a dollar.

If that is the case, if businesses are really only worried about profit, then how would something such as Nevada having legalized prostitution get in the way of a business moving to where they would be profitable and successful? My answer: It wouldn’t. I agree that businesses are in the mindset that they must turn a profit. That is how the market is supposed to work. As such, any prudent businessman or businesswoman wouldn’t turn away from Nevada simply because the state has legalized prostitution. If businesses are turning away from Nevada, it is because the economic environment in Nevada isn’t conducive to them making money.

The bottom line is that businesses are not moving to Nevada because the business climate in Nevada holds something that businesses don’t like. The fact is that in terms of tax structures for business, Nevada is regularly ranked in the top ten, usually the top five, in terms of being favorable for business. According to the Washington DC based Tax Foundation, Nevada has the fourth best tax system for businesses. However, while ranking high on state tax rates for business, the state struggles with local taxes imposed. Additionally, despite their high ranking in business tax climate, Nevada increased corporate taxes in 2003 and 2009 and have been already discussing doing so again. Companies looking to relocate don’t look at the climate right now, they look at it in 5 or 10 years. And the outlook in Nevada for taxes isn’t nearly as rosy as the present. Nevada has no corporate or personal income taxes, but its state sales tax rate, 6.85 percent, ranked 43rd worst. Counting local taxes, individual counties have sales tax rates as high as 8.1 percent.

Another aspect looked at by potential businesses is the education level of the potential workforce. Reid claims to want to show Nevada to be a forward thinking state that attracts the high technology businesses. But the problem with that is that Nevada is seen as lacking in terms of education. Reid acknowledges this but his proposal to outlaw prostitution certainly has nothing to do with improving the education level in Nevada. Does he think that in doing so he will make the rest of the country think that Nevada has suddenly gotten “smarter”? I don’t think so.

The reality, in my opinion, is that Reid is using Nevada’s inability to attract business as a scapegoat reason to eliminate legalized prostitution. And that simply doesn’t sit well with me. Because I personally think that prostitution should be legalized in every state. The reason is simple… doing so is consistent with my personal beliefs around liberty and individual freedom. It is a victimless crime, plain and simple.

A woman has the right to sleep with whomever she likes. I haven’t heard anyone argue against that premise. Yet in 49 states it is for some reason acceptable to sleep with 100 men, but unacceptable to charge money for it. You can charge money for a massage, for cutting someone’s hair, for enlarging their breasts, or for just about any other service. But for some reason charging money for having sex is deemed inappropriate. That is ridiculous. If someone is willing to pay to have sex, and someone else is willing to take that money in return for sex, how is it the business of anyone other than those two people? How in any way can you claim to value freedom while simultaneously opposing legalized prostitution?

But there are better reasons for legalized prostitution. Much like the drug trade, the fact that it is illegal in 49 states is a major reason why prostitution and the solicitation of prostitution are such dangerous acts. In Nevada, prostitution is safe and prostitutes are healthier because they are required to be in order for the license to remain in place. In contrast, it is estimated that over 55% of the prostitutes in New Jersey are HIV positive. When the trade is forced to the underground, we simply lose the ability to attempt to make it a safe endeavor.

The state of Nevada should rip Harry Reid a new ass for suggesting that the only state with any sense around prostitution suddenly reverse course and regress back toward a lesser form of liberty. I don’t expect we will see the state or Reid embracing the idea of eliminating gambling despite the fact that the system is rigged so that the house always wins. I simply cannot fathom the idea that Reid believes it is OK to have a game rigged to take people’s money from them but is not OK for somewhat to actually get some pleasure out of being relieved of that cash.

Prostitution should be legal. Period.

Now you can fire away, oh great freedom contradictors.


  1. USW, I laughed out loud when I read this article. Not at you, but because I spend a lot of time in Las Vegas visiting various doctors and such. On the Vegas strip you cannot walk two blocks without being accosted by at least two dozen “advertisers” handing out business cards for hookers. Once one reached across in front of my wife trying hand me a card. That guy learned about my wife’s backhand that made her an excellent racquetball player in her youth.

    Harry Reid needs to clean up the strip and leave the brothels – which are outside the city limits – to their own business.

  2. Richmond Spitfire says:

    This is rather ironic… Prostitution in of itself is somewhat “seedy”… but as US Weapon points out, with the “regulations” in NV, it sure does make it “safer”…plus, it provides a critical service!

    I would just die though if my daughter wrote home to tell me with pride that she just became “Head” Prostitute! lol

    Seriously though…It is simply a business endeavor that pays taxes just like the tampon manufacturing company down the road…Legalize it everywhere and imagine the revenue it will generate. Husbands around the country will be soooo much happier because wives will now have some legal competition for “that”…..

    Let’s face it…Sex is a matter of real life and these people provide the service.

    Hopefully, Jessica won’t write home and tell me that she’s been promoted to lead tampon string tacker!

    Hope everyone is well!

    • Spitfire.

      I miss your wit and if you didn’t get the message some days past……….Happy Birthday.

      Hope all is well in the Spitfire home.

      • Richmond Spitfire says:

        Thank you JAC…Every so often I pop in here and check things out…Just haven’t had much time for anything serious other than to do some drive-by “crack-downs” on Facebook Liberals… It’s lame, but amusing!

        Things are better in the Spitfire house this year as compared to last year…TY for asking!!!!

        Yeap….turned 45 this year…body is feeling it, but SPIRIT is not… Kids love to tell me that I’m old as dirt!!!! Gotta love them….

        I hope all is well in JAC’s house!

        Best regards and biggest hugs ever,

  3. Bottom Line says:

    I lived in Vegas for about a year. When I first arrived, I was looking through the phone book just to get a general idea of the venues for concerts, shows, etc…

    I looked up “entertainment” expecting to see venues, and what I got was a 1 1/2 thick section of nothing but prostitutes…fat ones, skinny ones, young ones, old ones, black, Asian, white, lesbian, gay, trans-sexual, twins, midgets, …whatever. I thought “Oh, hell yeah! That’s awesome!”

    Nevada is the freest(I use that term loosely in this case) state in the nation. You can go to a casino at 0600, get hammered drunk, and then go get a prostitute…all before noon, and no one cares. Having no “blue-laws” is great!

    I’m not a gambler, I rarely drink, and I don’t do whores. But I think it’s really cool that you can in(around) Vegas, and 24/7 too.

    I would guess that prostitutes make a significant contribution to the local Vegas economy. Not only do they attract visitors, but they make good money and buy things. Outlawing them would not only be an anti-freedom move, but it’d just be plain economically stupid.

    Is Reid on crack?

    In my home town of Louisville(Lewavull), Ky, the local theocracy has been harassing strip clubs for years, legislating morality and trying to regulate them out of existence. Recently, they finally got what they wanted.

    It used to be pretty laxed. Gentleman’s clubs served alcohol, had full nudity, lap dances, etc. Subsequently, Lewavull gained a reputation of having “better” gentleman’s clubs…which has always been a contributing factor for attracting business conventions and the like.

    Now, since new local laws, they cannot stay open very late, serve alcohol, have full nudity, or give lap dances, etc. And when the farmers convention recently came to town and discovered the strip clubs now suck, they threw a fit. They likely won’t be back next year. I suspect others will follow suit.

    Lewavull theocrats just cut off Lewavull’s nose to spite it’s face. Reid is about to try the same with Nevada.

  4. gmanfortruth says:

    Harry Ried preaching morallity is like Charlie Stella preaching anarchism, it just doesn’t compute. 🙂

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Charlie motivated me, since I’m crazy anyway, I looked into what the “Gloom and Doom” crowd are saying out there. Now Charlie, who’s crazy, me or theses guys?

      • Same reply at your place:

        G-Man, i think maybe a little of both (bored and crazy) … now, I’ll admit to being both too, but Pastor Williams?

        oy gavelt …

        • gmanfortruth says:

          The Good Pastor tells a WHALE of a story! Great entertainment for those that can keep things in perspective. Gotta admit that at least. Besides, all voices have the right to be heard, even those that espouse doom and gloom. The jackwagons espousing AGW are the equal to Pastor Williams. Doom and gloom, doom and gloom!

    • Buon Giorno, G-man!

      Here’s the craz(ier) thing … I’m all for everything being legal (and taxed, of course) … prostitution, drugs, ethical suicide parlors, you name it, I’m pretty much for it … but taxed (so in the end, it serves the GREATER GOOD)

      Do I preach?

      • Charlie,

        Advocating a greater good is an act of evil and immoral.

        You cannot create a good by doing evil.

        Forcing non-violent people to your desires is an act of Savages.

        • Oy vey, back to Ayn Rand (who chose to use greater good health care in her dying days–the savage!).

          The greater good is a beautiful thing, BF. Try it, you might like it … off to lunch with the wife (choosing between Indian and Mex).

          • Charlie,

            The Greater Good is a terrible evil and always leads to massive death and tyranny by any who attempt to enforce it.

            I do believe there are a few savages that enjoy watching mass death and destruction and believe such is “beautiful”.

            And that is my point: the subjective nature that is required by such “Greater Good” allows any horror to be defined as such.

  5. Or perhaps Reid, having just barely won his re-election….wants to pander to the extreme right?

    I think he is in for a surprise because even the most staunch conservative bible thumper probably is in disagreement with him. This is about tourist dollars and putting butts in the hotels and conventions in the centers and letting the party city thrive.

    • Distraction. He does not want to talk about them taking a week off just when congress gets a budget passed. And this is after the Dem’s failed to pass a budget for over a year. Expect the media to follow his lead, distract their audiences for a short time with pretty faces, revealing outfits, while the clock runs down. Then the chant, Repug’s want a government shutdown. SS checks will stop being sent because heartless Republicans……..

      • Buck the Wala says:

        So in the event of a shutdown, which party (if either) would you believe to be deserving of more blame?

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Good Morning Buck!

          I blame both sides. But for the sake of argument, if the 111th Congress, run by Dems, wouldn’t have approved deficits that were more that the first 100 Congresses combined, we might no be talking about this! 🙂

        • Buck

          Both at this very moment. But if pushed I would lay the blame at Harry Reid’s feet.

          He was party to the strategy of not passing a budget so they could use it as a political club. He should be forced to own the resulting fiasco. Pelosi is also to blame but the new Repub majority in the house made her crimes irrelevant at this point in time.

          But as I said some time ago, a shut down will mean nothing. The Republicans do not have the brass to enforce a shut down for a significant period.

        • Buck the Wala says:

          I find it interesting that you would both place more blame on the Dems, when it is the GOP that is holding the economy hostage — pass our budget or we shut the whole damn thing down! The Dems had supported a continuing resolution to keep funding in place for 30-days in order to negotiate with the GOP, but that was pretty quickly struck down.

          Personally I feel both parties are pretty equally to blame, though would have to place a bit more blame on the GOP.

          • Thats funny, because I blame both parties that there is even a deficit to talk about, but I blame the Dems more because they want to spend more.

            • Richmond Spitfire says:

              I agree Naten…Yesterday, my Rep, Randy Forbes wrote on his FB wanting to know if we support the $61B in cuts…

              Well…yeah, I wrote back, but come-one…don’t sit down…Continue the cutting..,

              Heralding the $61B laurels is a good start…but if cutting funds to PBS is acceptable, then cutting funds to Nascar is just as acceptable. Both parties need to put aside their little pet projects and just cut away…..

          • Continuing Resolution is code for Don’t Want to Deal With it at the Moment!

          • Buck

            I find your response most interesting.

            As I have presented a case as to why the Dems deserve more blame your argument amounts to “because”.

            Or more specifically because the Reps won’t accept the position “demanded” by the Dems. When did refusal to accept a “demand” become the criteria for assigning blame?

            So to further this search for blame, who do you accuse of causing the Wisconsin legislature to become ineffective?

            • Buck the Wala says:

              I ‘accuse’ the Dems, but that doesn’t mean I don’t support their actions.

              The issue with the federal budget is different though – GOP controlled House and DEM controlled Senate. There needs to be negotiation and to this point, both are to blame. However I do find the GOP leadership a bit more to blame than the Dems on this issue.

              • Buck


                The R’s started with a negotiated amount. They did not ask for the full 100 they promised.

                Now the D’s are “demanding” an even smaller amount.

                Or they will allow the shut down. It will be the D’s who vote to shut down the Govt, not the R’s.

                So why is it the R’s fault?

        • Buck, I think the Dem’s deserve more(not all) blame.

          If you look back on the election, Tea Party, Repug’s victory’s, it gives them credibility when they say their job is to cut spending. They have that moral mandate.

          The Dem’s held the majority in the senate and Obama’s time is not yet up. They can stay the course with the policies that got them elected, and I say that too is ethical. But, they have also promised to balance the budget, reduce spending and the deficit. You have to hold them accountable for what they have said they would do, and what they have done.

          Reid and Obama have not proposed real cuts. They want 50 plus billion for high speed rail. That is tax & spend, not balance your budget.

          IMO, the Repug’s are being too meek in their cuts. I would want spending reduced to less than the 2008 level as a starting place!

          And lets face it, the Dem’s still have most of the power, with the senate and presidency. Has Obama called for them to meet on the hill and work out a deal? What compromise are they offering other than saying Repug’s want a shutdown? How about the Dem proposal plus cut the high speed rail? That would be a bigger cut than the Repug’s!!!! Reid & Obama could win the moral battle. But that’s not what they are fighting for, is it?

      • Hey Buck, I found over a half billion we can cut!!!!LOL

        A stimulus-funded anti-obesity campaign has spread throughout the country. And the $650 million Recovery Act program called Communities Putting Prevention to Work (CPPW) is funding not just anti-obesity campaigns in New York City, but campaigns throughout the country.

        Thirty-one localities — from cities in Hawaii to Maine to South Carolina — have received grants to combat the effects of sugary drinks and trans fats on residents’ waistlines.

        The state of California was by far the biggest beneficiary, receiving $55.1 million to do things like “reduce sugar-sweetened beverage consumption

        Read more:

        • Cincinnati Enquirer reporter Malia Rulon seems to have misplaced her objectivity when she prepared a February 21 front-page report on legislation passed by the House that would reduce projected spending during the current fiscal year by $61 billion. Later in this post, I will present evidence showing that Ms. Rulon’s objectivity has likely been missing in action for many years.

          This amount represents about 1.6% of the administration’s $3.819 trillion spending estimate. If implemented, this year’s $3.758 trillion in spending would still be over $1 trillion more than was spent just four years ago in fiscal 2007, as seen below:

          See how Ms. Rulon describes these spending reductions in her report (HT Virtuous Republic; scary words in bold):

          Is John Boehner pushing Congress toward government shutdown?
          Speaker caught between a rock (GOP elements demanding steeper cuts) and a hard place (Dems)

          John Boehner has said from the start of his tenure as speaker of the House that he doesn’t want a government shutdown, but conservative lawmakers and tea party freshmen have put him in a position that could lead to just that.

          A spending bill that would fund the federal government until October is being debated in Congress. The version that passed the Republican-controlled House on Saturday makes more than $61 billion in cuts that are so drastic it’s unlikely that the Democrat-controlled Senate will approve it.

          Read more:

        • Psst. No shutdown during a ‘government shutdown’

          By ANDREW TAYLOR | Published: 5:01 AM 02/25/2011

          WASHINGTON (AP) — Social Security checks would still go out. Troops would remain at their posts. Furloughed federal workers probably would get paid, though not until later. And virtually every essential government agency, like the FBI, the Border Patrol and the Coast Guard, would remain open.

          That’s the little-known truth about a government shutdown. The government doesn’t shut down.

          Read more:

  6. Meanwhile, which of the 49 other states outlaw making porn? (I am not sure but I would imagine that it is legal in a lot of them) These are people paid to have sex.

  7. Reid’s tune would change if the “workers” had a union.

  8. USW

    “In contrast, it is estimated that over 55% of the prostitutes in New Jersey are HIV positive. When the trade is forced to the underground, we simply lose the ability to attempt to make it a safe endeavor.”




    • I had the same thought JAC. So, we should make prostitution legal so that we can regulate it? Shouldn’t you want it legal AND unregulated.

      • Richmond Spitfire says:

        Well…Regulated to the extent that if I go for a Ride (be it a prostitute or a ferris wheel) I sort want to make sure it works properly and doesn’t have funky hydraulic fluid leaks, you know…Just saying!

        I can see how OSHA would handle this…We must protect our Sex Workers…Clients must provide a Certificate of Sexual Health before soliciting services.

        • Absolutely cannot have faulty hydraulic leaks! LMAO!

          OMG VH! Get out here and help me keep this crowd under control

    • JAC,

      Are you asking me if I am contradicting myself?

      I don’t think I am. I am not saying that the government has to regulate the prostitution industry. I am simply saying that if the entire affair is able to be conducted in the light of day, the workers themselves can formulate a plan to protect themselves and assure their potential clients that they are safe.


      • USW

        Yes I am.

        So do you think that the industry can regulate itself to make sure there are no faulty hydraulic leaking problems?

        Or is it even necessary?

        • I think that the industry can and will self regulate. These women are not interested in having faulty parts! The vast majority will take care of themselves the same way that the rest of us take care of ourselves.

          As for is it necessary… I think so. IF they want to attract new clients, they will have to find a way to provide something to ease potential client’s minds in terms of safety and cleanliness. Prostitutes need to ease the mind of potential clients in the same way that a tax attorney needs to prove that they won’t end up getting me audited. Does that make sense?

          Given what I am saying here, what is is that you find contradictory?

      • the workers themselves can formulate a plan to protect themselves and assure their potential clients that they are safe.

        Not if Governor Walker has anything to say about it …

        • Richmond Spitfire says:

          Whoa….So the prostitutes will become a “public” service union?

          Well…I guess I would rather pay my tax dinero to actually get “screwed” vs. getting “screwed over”….

          • think of it Spitfire: Better working conditions (beds instead of car seats) … running water instead of puddles … new condoms instead of used … not to mention the revenue from taxes … they can go to pay for all those teachers who seem to be breaking the back of our economy (according to the 2%’s, some of who “earn” upwards of 2.4 million an hour) … because god forbid the 2%’s pay a fair share … hookers of America unite!

  9. One would think that with all the Federal Government’s concerns about fiscal responsibility, someone would have realized a good way to counterbalance the deficit would be to institute a tax on such transactions while legalizing it in all 50 states. We could call it the “dwarf’s penny” in reference to its originator. It’s a win win.

  10. Buck the Wala says:


    Interesting I don’t remember seeing any comments on this decision here at SUFA either…

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Interesting graph on the media coverage. Since this will be decided by the SCOTUS in the end, could it be that the media coverage is form of protecting their credibility when the SCOTUS shoots it down.

    • Buck

      I think Kos is BS. I found this story all over the internet the other day. I don’t get TV so can’t attest to that.

      I see it as not much to discuss. The case was about “Religion”. The judge went beyond the issue to make comments about the case, Dem appointed judge, that were irrelevant to the issues.

      So the Administration and left wing support groups have grabbed it and waved it around.

      The Florida case remains the most comprehensive judgment on the bill so far.

    • I have to admit, Buck, that I simply think less of you for even reading the Daily Kos. 😉 There are far left sites and then the is the most vitriolic and divisive site on the internet. Kos may be it.

      As for the subject. I think the Vinson ruling deserved more coverage because it was a far more compelling story with immediate consequences. This ruling seems minor in comparison. Further, I find the the judge’s conclusion simply faulty. IT appears that she is really doing nothing more than using the emotional rhetoric of those arguing for reform, “Everything is legit because the lack of it increases costs for all others…” Not only is it nonsense, it doesn’t effectively address the issue in the proper way. Her decision will be reversed by SCOTUS.

      As for SUFA coverage… I never saw this story until now, but I do laugh uncontrollably whenever I read an article that claims that the right wing media is not covering a story. As if there is such as thing as conservative bias in the MSM. I find it a ridiculous claim in a world where a Tea Party Rally with hundreds of thousands of protesters received ZERO coverage at all in the MSM (outside of Fox News of course). Compare that to the coverage given to crowds a fraction of the size in Wisconsin.

    • If the media did have an agenda, then what better way to stir up the voters that they want to vote for that agenda, then to stir up FEAR that their agenda is in danger of being taken away.

      • Buck the Wala says:

        So, reporting on liberal/progressive issues is evidence of a liberal bias, while failure to report on liberal/progressive issues is evidence of a liberal bias…

        umm…not sure what to make of this.

  11. Hof, and other local industry leaders, said Reid was just using the issue to distract from the state’s other pressing problems. Nevada has one of the worst unemployment rates in the country, and its economy has seen little recovery since the recession began.

    By focusing on prostitution, Reid could spend the week back in his district fielding frivolous questions about cathouses and not the state of the economy, brothel owners said.

    “Reid is just trying to cover his butt,” Hoff told The Daily Caller. “He’s putting the spotlight on the brothel industry and using us as a red herring. He’s punishing the counties who didn’t vote for him. He’s saying, ‘You didn’t vote for me, then go to hell.’”

    Read more:

  12. I can’t see past hoochie mama’s umm… legs… but isn’t that an old Chevelle or Malibu in the first pic?

  13. gmanfortruth says:

    Alan Simpson, Senator from Wyoming, Co-Chair of Obama’s deficit commission, calls senior citizens the Greediest Generation as he compared ” Social Security ” to a Milk Cow with 310 million teats. August, 2010 .

    Here’s a response in a letter from a unknown fellow in Montana, I think he is a little ticked off !
    He also tells it like it is !

    Hey Alan, let’s get a few things straight.

    1. As a career politician, you have been on the public dole for FIFTY YEARS.

    2. I have been paying Social Security taxes for 48 YEARS (since I was 15 years old. I am now 63).

    3. My Social Security payments, and those of millions of other Americans, were safely tucked away in an interest bearing account for decades until you political pukes decided to raid the account and give OUR money to a bunch of zero ambition losers in return for votes, thus bankrupting the system and turning Social Security into a Ponzi scheme that would have made Bernie Madoff proud.

    4. Recently, just like Lucy & Charlie Brown, you and your ilk pulled the proverbial football away from millions of American seniors nearing retirement and moved the goalposts for full retirement from age 65 to age 67. NOW, you and your shill commission is proposing to move the goalposts YET AGAIN.

    5. I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying into Medicare from Day One, and now you morons propose to change the rules of the game. Why? Because you idiots mismanaged other parts of the economy to such an extent that you need to steal money from Medicare to pay the bills.

    6. I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying income taxes our entire lives, and now you propose to increase our taxes yet again. Why? Because you incompetent bums spent our money so profligately that you just kept on spending even after you ran out of money. Now, you come to the American taxpayers and say you need more to pay off YOUR debt.

    To add insult to injury, you label us greedy for calling bull shit on your incompetence. Well, Captain Bullshit, I have a few questions for YOU.

    1. How much money have you earned from the American taxpayers during your pathetic 50-year political career?

    2. At what age did you retire from your pathetic political career, and how much are you receiving in annual retirement benefits from the American taxpayers?

    3. How much do you pay for YOUR government provided health insurance?

    4. What cuts in YOUR retirement and healthcare benefits are you proposing in your disgusting deficit reduction proposal, or, as usual, have you exempted yourself and your political cronies?

    It is you, Captain Bullshit, and your political co-conspirators who are greedy. It is you and they who have bankrupted America and stolen the American dream from millions of loyal, patriotic taxpayers. And for what? Votes. That’s right, sir. You and yours have bankrupted America for the sole purpose of advancing your pathetic political careers. You know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.

    And you can take that to the bank, you miserable SOB.

  14. It is not an argument by economics.

    It is an argument of Rights.

    Who owns you?

    • Interesting article.

      As elsewhere, the local left is committed to abolish the armed forces –except in states in which they hold total power. Stubbornly negating the hint about how weakness provokes aggression, their official thesis is that armies make wars, therefore, “no army, no war”. Corrected, the reality is “no army, no resistance to conquest”.

  15. gmanfortruth says:

    So now, the Army wants rubber bullets for MACHINE GUNS!

    THE US army is planning to field “rubber bullets” for machine guns. Military officials claim the ammunition will allow them to more effectively quell violent protests without loss of life, but human rights campaigners are alarmed by the new weapon.

    • Richmond Spitfire says:

      So G-Man…from an “Oath” perspective, do you think the military would fire upon US Citizens with rubber bullets?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        No, I do not think they will fire on the citizens, except in self defense. I also don’t see them in the streets with a mission against the citizens, but, if the people were in overthrow mode, and they were ordered in to quell it, they would stand down.

  16. gmanfortruth says:

    Quick Poll! Should the U.S. intervene militarily in Libya?

  17. Somewhat off the subject (I think–haven’t read the post yet but I’ll be back later to do so) … I present to yous your 2012 Republican nominee for President (so quit whining about The One):

    Because if this guy (Obama) isn’t a tool of the 2%’s, nobody is …

    • You’re making me angry Charlie. If you’re giving Obama to our side as the candidate I’d have to vote for Hillary weather she’s on the ballot or not!

      I’ll give you credit though for knocking Obama..he’s in way over his head.

      • I hate to admit it, Anita, but Hilary (who I really never liked at all) is actually a lot tougher than Obama can ever dream to be … and given the choice between those two, I’d opt for the broad (ah, I mean, woman) … but I’m not giving Obama away (he was never mine to begin with) … I’m holding him up there as the absolute sellout of all sellouts from the Democratic Party (another sellout) … I’ll take anything to the left of the Democratic Party … anything or anybody … the Dems are Reps in sheeps clothing …

        • Charlie……sit down…..but in Texas, we are not tied to a party…myself and several friends all voted in the democratic primary for Hilary Clinton over Obama….I know many hard line republicans that voted in the Dem Primary for Hilary….we knew from the beginning she was tougher than BO man.

        • And I’ll admit that Hillary should have gotten the nomination and she’d have beaten McCain too. It would have been cool to see Palin (don’t stroke out on me) vs Hillary. If Palin would have been able to run her own campaign back then she may have been able to pull it off..I don’t think so now though.

          The Reps are Dem lite anyway…

          • How are you D13? I know Anita is smiling now … we’re all in agreement (we 3 anyway) … I did have to take a seat first, though … Obama has proved he’s just another charlatan … I’ll be voting left of what you guys consider left (but I’ll always defend your right to be wrong …:) … I am waiting for the so-called Democratic Left to drop this loser like the bad habit he’s become … how does anybody on the so-called democratic left defend this one:

            • Doing fine, Charlie…doing fine. I know there is hope for you. With your permission, I can enroll you into my new Raptor Rehabilitation Program for the Leftist Insane. But we recognized BO man from the beginning. I really think that Hilary would have made a better President…..

              (That thud you heard was Mathius passing out)

  18. Judy Sabatini says:

    Reid is just PO’D, because he’s not getting his cut in the deal. Prostitution has been around since the beginning of time, & now he wants to have it become illegal. Sure, make it illegal, then they’ll go down to 4th street here in town, then get arrested for soliciting. I don’t see any billboards here around town advertising brothels.

    • Richmond Spitfire says:

      Howdy Judy…Yeap…I can go with that…Reid is po’d ’cause he ain’t getting any!!!! (sorry…just couldn’t help myself!). Hugs to you dear lady!

  19. gmanfortruth says:

    Unexplainable moment! Last night I tried to email a text document to a friend. It is my plan to organize our rural community and establish a phone tree. That’s another story, so I’ll move on. Anyway, I titled the document with a miltary acronym for COMmunity SECurity. You can see the title as written. I attempted to email it twice and both times I got a message that said “we cannot send your mail at this time, try again later”. I said WTF! So I retitled it rural co-op and it sent as normal. What’s up with this?

  20. Fresh off our discussions the other day around the media and the ways that they shape opinion, I saw this story this afternoon. It appears that their artistic choices have provided another example of how they attempt to quietly create links in the minds of viewers that will harm or help political views…..

    The CBS drama “The Good Wife” has raised a few eyebrows by naming Gary Cole’s character, a ballistics expert, Tea Party member, and Sarah Palin supporter, “Kurt McVeigh,” a not so subtle comparison to Timothy McVeigh, the man behind the 1995 Oklahoma City bombings.

    So was the writing an attempt to discredit the former Republican Vice Presidential candidate by drawing links to Timothy McVeigh, or was it a simple artistic decision?

    “Calling a character ‘Kurt McVeigh’ conjures up unmistakable images of mass murdering terrorist Timothy McVeigh. Hollywood screenwriters don’t live in a cultural vacuum; they help to create American culture,” Matthew Vadum, senior editor at the Capital Research Center in Washington D.C told FOX411’s Pop Tarts. “They had to have known that making the character a conservative with a fondness for Sarah Palin was a clever way to take a jab at the former Alaska governor.”

    But the show’s executive producer/co-creator, Robert King, said the naming of Cole’s character was not intended to portray Republicans or Tea Party members in a negative light.

    “The Kurt McVeigh character was introduced mid-season our first year, and at that time, he was given a name that was intended to play into the anti-conservative prejudices of the more liberal partner, Diane,” King told Pop Tarts. “So no red flags were raised because the point was to satirize Diane’s prejudice against his name. The point of the McVeigh character was that he was the most truthful and forthright character on the show, and yet he just happened to be a strong conservative.”

    • Seems the producers of the show are taking advantage of Mr “McVeigh.” But heck, I’m sure they had a focus group first to find out if the story line would draw viewers.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      That”s it! It’s Charlie who is the crazy one 😆

      • Okay, okay, I admit it. CBS consulted with me and I told them point blank: If we socialists are to take over the world before the capitalists run amok, we’ll have to start with this McVeigh fella and worm our way through the hearts and souls of all of the voters before 2012 …

        Gman, I think my wife is actually starting to appreciate my non-stop blogging of late … not only does it keep me out of trouble (as she sees it), she’s now found crazies (like yourself) to play with …

        I know, she’s probably found herself somebody … isn’t that always the way?

        • gmanfortruth says:

          I certainly hope that my crazyness provides the best of entertainment for your better half.

          • I wrote that wrong … she’s glad to see I have friend as crazy as myself … cuts down on the Valium cost.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              I see. Tell the Mises that this crazy Flag waivin, Bible thumpin, Gun lovin, racist hippee said hello 🙂

              • Oy vey … hello back (she says) … also a religious type (the wife–catholic–forgive her, she knows not what she does) … she does want to learn to shoot (thanks to Doc) and she was a lifelong Dem who has become sick of the party and just might join her crazy husband in his fight (and flight) toward socialism … I’m just glad she’s finally seen the Dems are nothing but shills for the 2%’s

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Charlie, My previous offer is still open, if your game!?

  21. 😉 for comments

  22. I think it is possible that legalized prostitution is keeping business away from Nevada. I would guess that most people don’t want to live next door to a brothel. I know I don’t. I’m not saying it is the sole reason, but it could be a contributing factor. Or it could be that Nevada is a desert wasteland where no one in the right mind would want to live.

    • Jennie

      The brothels in Nevada are located away from where the vast majority of people live. Or even any people for that matter.

      Carson City is a slight exception because the county line has been surpassed by urban sprawl. So there are some residences but mostly commercial around the Moon Light.

      Although Harry Reids Govt subsidized V&T railway passes by within stones throw.

      There is absolutely no way that the existing “legal” prostitution is keeping any business away that is of the type Mr. Reid is talking about. In fact much of that type of business is already in the state.

      The “illegal” prostitution, mentioned by Papa Dawg above, is restricted pretty much to the Las Vegas scene.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I wouldn’t mind a brothel up the road!

    • Looks to me that they have about twice as much “food & services” as manufacturing. Entertainment is their business. Factor in their location, shipping cost, environment, too many economic factors render it a poor choice to locate in.

      That said, making prostitution illegal is more likely to harm their economy. Gambling is considered a “sin”. They want to attract as many sinners as possible.

  23. Since lefty blogger Ian Murphy prank called Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker on Wednesday, various media outlets have devoted significant coverage to the prankster. None have seen fit to mention some of Murphy’s more colorful antics – proclaiming “f**k the troops,” for instance, or pretending to be autistic to gain access for a story.

    Read more:

  24. Ahhhh…to hell with…I am going to Vegas.

      • Ohhh yes…..La Grange, Texas… was around for a looong time staffed with young college girls earning education money. The madam built a school, a church, and I think a park…..with proceeds as her contribution to the city. A watchdog turd from Houston destroyed that. It was very popular with the politicians back then and allowed to stay.

  25. Thanksgiving 2022

    “Winston, come into the dining room, it’s time to eat,” Julia yelled to her husband. “In a minute, honey, it’s a tie score,” he answered. Actually Winston wasn’t very interested in the traditional holiday football game between Detroit and Washington.

    Ever since the government passed the Civility in Sports Statute of 2017, outlawing tackle football for its “unseemly violence” and the “bad example it sets for the rest of the world,” Winston was far less of a football fan than he used to be. Two-hand touch wasn’t nearly as exciting.

    Yet it wasn’t the game that Winston was uninterested in. It was more the thought of eating another TofuTurkey. Even though it was the best type of VeggieMeat available after the government revised the American Anti-Obesity Act of 2018, adding fowl to the list of federally-forbidden foods, (which already included potatoes, cranberry sauce and mince-meat pie), it wasn’t anything like real turkey. And ever since the government officially changed the name of “Thanksgiving Day” to “A National Day of Atonement” in 2020 to officially acknowledge the Pilgrims’ historically brutal treatment of Native Americans, the holiday had lost a lot of its luster.

    Eating in the dining room was also a bit daunting. The unearthly gleam of government-mandated fluorescent light bulbs made the TofuTurkey look even weirder than it actually was, and the room was always cold. Ever since Congress passed the Power Conservation Act of 2016, mandating all thermostats-which were monitored and controlled by the electric company-be kept at 68 degrees, every room on the north side of the house was barely tolerable throughout the entire winter.

    Still, it was good getting together with family. Or at least most of the family. Winston missed his mother, who passed on in October, when she had used up her legal allotment of live-saving medical treatment. He had had many heated conversations with the Regional Health Consortium, spawned when the private insurance market finally went bankrupt, and everyone was forced into the government health care program. And though he demanded she be kept on her treatment, it was a futile effort. “The RHC’s resources are limited,” explained the government bureaucrat Winston spoke with on the phone. “Your mother received all the benefits to which she was entitled. I’m sorry for your loss.”

    Ed couldn’t make it either. He had forgotten to plug in his electric car last night, the only kind available after the Anti-Fossil Fuel Bill of 2021 outlawed the use of the combustion engines-for everyone but government officials. The fifty mile round trip was about ten miles too far, and Ed didn’t want to spend a frosty night on the road somewhere between here and there.

    Thankfully, Winston’s brother, John, and his wife were flying in. Winston made sure that the dining room chairs had extra cushions for the occasion. No one complained more than John about the pain of sitting down so soon after the government-mandated cavity searches at airports, which severely aggravated his hemorrhoids. Ever since a terrorist successfully smuggled a cavity bomb onto a jetliner, the TSA told Americans the added “inconvenience” was an “absolute necessity” in order to stay “one step ahead of the terrorists.” Winston’s own body had grown accustomed to such probing ever since the government expanded their scope to just about anywhere a crowd gathered, via Anti-Profiling Act of 2022. That law made it a crime to single out any group or individual for “unequal scrutiny,” even when probable cause was involved. Thus, cavity searches at malls, train stations, bus depots, etc., etc., had become almost routine. Almost.

    The Supreme Court is reviewing the statute, but most Americans expect a Court composed of six progressives and three conservatives to leave the law intact. “A living Constitution is extremely flexible,” said the Court’s eldest member, Elena Kagan. ” Europe has had laws like this one for years. We should learn from their example,” she added.

    Winston’s thoughts turned to his own children. He got along fairly well with his 12-year-old daughter, Brittany, mostly because she ignored him. Winston had long ago surrendered to the idea that she could text anyone at any time, even during Atonement Dinner. Their only real confrontation had occurred when he limited her to 50,000 texts a month, explaining that was all he could afford. She whined for a week, but got over it.

    His 16-year-old son, Jason, was another matter altogether. Perhaps it was the constant bombarding he got in public school that global warming, the bird flu, terrorism or any of a number of other calamities were “just around the corner,” but Jason had developed a kind of nihilistic attitude that ranged between simmering surliness and outright hostility. It didn’t help that Jason had reported his father to the police for smoking a cigarette in the house, an act made criminal by the Smoking Control Statute of 2018, which outlawed smoking anywhere within 500 feet of another human being. Winston paid the $5,000 fine, which might have been considered excessive before the American dollar became virtually worthless as a result of QE13. The latest round of quantitative easing the federal government initiated

    was, once again, to “spur economic growth.” This time they promised to push unemployment below its years-long rate of 18%, but Winston was not particularly hopeful.

    Yet the family had a lot for which to be thankful, Winston thought, before remembering it was a Day of Atonement. At least he had his memories. He felt a twinge of sadness when he realized his children would never know what life was like in the Good Old Days, long before government promises to make life “fair for everyone” realized their full potential. Winston, like so many of his fellow Americans, never realized how much things could change when they didn’t happen all at once, but little by little, so people could get used to them.

    He wondered what might have happened if the public had stood up while there was still time, maybe back around 2011, when all the real nonsense began. “Maybe we wouldn’t be where we are today if we’d just said ‘enough is enough’ when we had the chance,” he thought.

    Maybe so, Winston, Maybe so.

  26. Ban Ki Moon, U.N. Secretary General, is now on National TV “chastising” Libya and ordering civil rights violation investigations.

    Let’s see….gunning down the protesters, threatening to use chemical and biological weapons to disperse the crowds, bringin in mercs from middle Africa…..and the UN wants civil rights violation investigations…..I am sure that Libya is going to stop immediately. I mean…. a verbal chastisement….whew!!! I am scared.

    And before you lefties jump up and down asking me what I would do….I have already answered. Do nothing. If he uses Chemical Weapons and Biological weapons and kills masses of people…so be it. Let it happen.

  27. gmanfortruth says:

    After experiencing the discomfort and embarrassment of a prostate test on the Medicare Rebate, a friend of mine decided to have his next test carried out in Thailand where the beautiful nurses are rather more gentle and accommodating.

    As usual he was asked to strip off, he lay naked on his side on the bed and the nurse began the examination. “At this stage of the procedure it’s quite normal to get an erection” said the nurse.

    “I haven’t got an erection” said the man.

    “Not you, me” replied the nurse.

    • He`s the kind of man a woman would have to marry to get rid of.

      I used to be Snow White, but I drifted.

      Kiss and make up–but too much makeup has ruined many a kiss.

      I speak two languages, Body and English.

      Whenever I`m caught between two evils, I take the one I`ve never tried.

      Don`t cry for a man who`s left you, the next one may fall for your smile.

      It ain`t no sin if you crack a few laws now and then, just so long as you don`t break any.

      The best way to behave is to misbehave.

      The best way to learn to be a lady is to see how other ladies do it.

      Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.

      I generally avoid temptation unless I can`t resist it

      To err is human – but it feels divine

      It`s not what I do, but the way I do it. It`s not what I say, but the way I say it.

      The best way to hold a man is in your arms.

      I don`t like myself, I`m crazy about myself

      Keep a diary, and someday it`ll keep you.

      Marriage is a great institution, but I`m not ready for an institution.

      Sex is an emotion in motion

      It takes two to get one in trouble.

      You`re never too old to become younger

  28. Been thinking about this all day-and No I do not think prostitution should be legal. The sexual revolution that went on while I was growing up-lead up to where we are today-the acceptance of bad behavior -not to promote freedom but to promote an anything goes, to hell with responsibility, me mentality. Maybe if we more closer to an actually free society where the mentality isn’t that bad behavior is to be ignored and even promoted in some quarters-it being legal would be fine. And maybe if it became just an issue for the States to decide it would be okay-but I would vote against it in my town.

    • Bottom Line says:

      Define “Bad behavior”.

      Should the rights of others be violated on account of YOUR subjective definition of “bad”?

      You’re basically saying that …There ought to be a law that FORCES YOU to live MY WAY because it is superior to YOUR way.

      Whatever happened to live and let live?

      • There is no such thing as live and let live. Everything that people do affects everyone else. The only thing that will keep a society from becoming a chaotic immoral mess are decent social norms. Our social norms are far from decent and are getting worse with time. We are not ready to allow freedom in all areas -because freedom comes with responsibility and a certain amount of respect for our neighbors opinions and an understanding of what hurts and warps our children. And quite frankly there are segments of our society who only care about themselves and say to hell with what anyone else thinks. As far as defining bad behavior-I’m not even gonna try- For it to be of any use I would have to list them which I cannot do anymore than you can list our legitimate freedoms.

        • Bottom Line says:


          ALL freedom is legitimate.

          Freedom is doing whatever you want, but the very moment you encroach on another’s rights and freedoms, you’re no longer being free, but rather violating another.

          And by deeming something immoral or indecent for all, according to YOUR standards, and FORCING compliance by proxy of coercive governance, you are doing exactly that.

          You have no more right to tell me that I can’t get a whore, than I have to tell you that you HAVE TO get a gigolo.

          Live and let live is easy. You live according to YOUR standards, and I will live according to MY standards. I won’t bother you if you don’t bother me. REAL SIMPLE.

          • SK Trynosky Sr says:

            Is there a difference in the age of consent in either of your worlds? Do we (society) have a say in that? If a prostitute is carrying AIDS or some other STD, should she or he be required to inform you?

            The entire question is a paradox. Prior to the progressives in our country, gambling, prostitution and narcotics were legal on a nationwide basis. The pull back from Progressivism began when the boundary was overstepped with Prohibition. The interesting question about all these is did this series of bans and most especially the ban on Alcohol cause the emergence of organized crime? Are we in society today dealing with these problems because they are the result of the law of unintended consequences? If so, how do we get past it? A lot to chew on.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              SK asks: “Are we in society today dealing with these problems because they are the result of the law of unintended consequences? ”

              We are dealing with these consequences because of government. It is human nature to avoid control and have your money stolen. Just because the government made a law, why should people who disagree with it, abide by it? It’s immoral to allow a central agency determine ones actions, if those actions do not affect another.

              • SK Trynosky Sr says:

                We abide by laws because we voluntarily live in a society that we and our forebears created. The purpose of creating the society was to protect ourselves, our families and our property. Part of the social contract was a tacit agreement to obey the laws the society created.

                We are apparently now at the point where a large portion of the society has decided that the laws have become onerous. I personally feel that this has come about through regulation and litigation rather than legislation. Others feel free to reject all laws even those proposed, debated and passed by our elected representatives. This of course abrogates the purposes of creating the society in the beginning.

                Ignoring the laws, rules and even norms of the society will eventually result in its collapse. Something I think we are well on the way to. The question is of course, what’s next?

            • SK

              I do think that the removal of freedoms has caused many problems-mostly teaching a lack of responsibility for your actions and causing anger in people who felt unfairly controlled. Which lead to pushing the envelope on moral values. So I see it as a vicious circle-that needs time and careful removal of those knives to fix.

          • Nothing is ever that simple-quite frankly I could care less if you get a whore-I object to society promoting prostitution as a viable upstanding job opportunity. Our entertainment industry already promotes anything goes as it is. I remember a survey that was done awhile back-wish I could remember the numbers. But they asked college males if they thought it was okay to not take no for an answer.-A huge percentage said yes -it’s okay. They had many reasons why it was okay-she doesn’t really mean no-she shouldn’t have kissed on me and got me excited. The bottom line our culture is teaching our kids the wrong message.

            • Bottom Line says:

              VH – ” Nothing is ever that simple-quite frankly I could care less if you get a whore ”

              BL – You don’t care if I get a whore. Was that a complex or difficult decision?

              Live and let live – easy – simple

              • Simple-hmmm-I suspect the “whore” who also happens to be a human being, someones child-who in all probability doesn’t want to have sex with you-is feeling violated during the whole process and went into the business out of desperation-probably thinks it’s simple too-I need money and this is what it takes to survive. So enjoy your “whore”. I mean it’s simple-there are no other considerations or complications involved. Prostitution may well be unavoidable in any society but it is not acceptable, and it sure as hell ain’t simple. So maybe I do mind if you get a whore. I mind that there are whores and society shouldn’t promote this as a viable occupation for their children. End Rant.

              • Bottom Line says:


                Take a deep breathe. Count backwards from 10, slowly.

                VH – ” Simple-hmmm-I suspect the “whore” who also happens to be a human being, someones child-who in all probability doesn’t want to have sex with you-is feeling violated during the whole process and went into the business out of desperation-probably thinks it’s simple too-I need money and this is what it takes to survive.”

                BL – What does a “WHORE” being a human being have to do with your desire to control everyone?

                And you needn’t explain that “WHORES” are people too. One of my nearest and dearest long time friends supplemented her income for several years by making “house calls”. She’s awesome…great personality, great sense of humor, intelligent, pretty, loyal, giving, caring, etc… And if you heard her take on prostitution, I’m guessing you might not think of it as a “violation”, or whatever.

                VH – “So enjoy your “whore” ”

                BL – I don’t do “WHORES”. If a woman is going to have sex with me for any reason other than because she’s genuinely attracted to me and wants it, I don’t want her.

                VH – “Prostitution may well be unavoidable in any society but it is not acceptable, and it sure as hell ain’t simple.”

                BL – It IS simple. What makes it an issue is that YOU cannot accept it. If you would just simply let go and accept that you have no right to decide how others should live, that they have every right to not think or behave like you, if you would adopt a live and let live mindset, your issue would be moot.

                I think Flag made the point rather well when he said…

                ” Dive deep into yourself to explain why you want to control the non-violent actions of others. ”

                VH – “So maybe I do mind if you get a whore. ”

                BL – So? Who the hell are you?

                You’re cranky lately…maybe you need to be “serviced”. I demand that you take a trip to NV and hire a gigolo. 😉

                VH – ” I mind that there are whores and society shouldn’t promote this as a viable occupation for their children.”

                BL – WHY do you mind that there are “WHORES”? What do they do to you and yours that victimizes you? How do you feel violated?

                And if they have no moral/ethical problems with prostitution, why shouldn’t it be considered a viable occupation for a young WOMAN? Because YOU think it’s wrong?

                For a young attractive WOMAN that hasn’t yet established a career, it can work out rather well. Do you realize how many women pay their way through college with prostitution?

                Work for a petty tyrant asshole dealing with shitty idiotic customers all week to make slave wages that ALMOST pay the bills …OR… Make two or three times the money in a fraction of the time to be pretty and perform a pleasurable service that includes orgasms?

              • I took deep breaths yesterday but after these comments I may have to take some more today 🙂 First I acknowledge that I am not standing on freedom in this instance and I have tried to explain my reasoning. But please don’t try to make out that the life of a prostitute is just all bright and sunny and full of wonderful orgasms. I will throw up.

              • Sorry for jumping in here but I’m not letting this one slide.

                BL: You’re an ASS for suggesting V needs to go get a gigolo!
                You want to bring an argument then bring it. You want to be an ass then go hit up Huffpo or somewhere else.

              • Thanks Anita but I did tell BL to enjoy his “whore” 🙂 so I’m not gonna complain about his comeback line/joke even if he did use the word “serviced” 😦 Hehehe

              • Bottom Line says:


                I was speaking in reference to my above comment with regards to imposing your will on others…

                BL to VH – “You have no more right to tell me that I can’t get a whore, than I have to tell you that you HAVE TO get a gigolo.”

                You sound a bit cranky yourself there, Sweetleaf, perhaps you need to take a trip to NV too.


              • Now that was uncalled for and not funny.

              • He’s defending the told him enjoy em all you want.

                You’re not defending anyone and he tells you to go get a piece of ass. BULLSHIT V !!

                Maybe it would be different context if you came across as a ho ( 🙂 ) but he knows by now what angle you come from and his comment was uncalled for.

                I don’t think it’s funny 👿

              • Bottom Line says:


                That’s what happens when you call someone an ass and ask them for an argument. Apparently, pushing buttons is easy today.

                It’s just fine to advocate using force to rule over someone ELSE’S sex life, but when the same principle is applied to YOUR sex life, I’m an ass?

                If you are against this or that and want to extend your will onto others, it is only fair that they are to be able to extend their will onto you.

                If you have the “right” to dictate everyone’s sex lives and moral standards by proxy of coercive governance, then everyone has a “right” to dictate YOUR sex life and moral standards by proxy of coercive governance.

              • Okay BL-I had not intention of making an issue out of this because I know you were just joking and using self defense because you felt attacked. But no one is arguing about your right to argue based on freedom -they are just pointing out that some jokes simply aren’t funny-they are rude and crude and insulting. But I try to take things as I think they were meant, so lets just let it go.

              • Bottom Line says:

                Anita – ” He’s defending the told him enjoy em all you want. ”

                BL – It’s not about the “ho’s”. It’s about the right to live freely, the right to self determination, the right to be free of having the moral standards of others imposed upon you.

                If the “ho’s” ain’t hurtin’ nobody, what’s the problem?

                Who do you hurt when you smoke a bowl? Same difference.

              • Whatever BL! Now you have somewhat dug yourself out of your ho le!

                I’m not arguing about your present a decent argument.

                But you put a personal slam on V.. then me because I called you out..both insults uncalled for..ridiculous! Let’s drop it.

              • Bottom Line says:

                What if prostitutes made up the majority of voters?

                What if the law mandated all women to hire a gigolo once a month?

                What if THEIR will was imposed on YOU?

                My mere suggestion of having to take your own medicine apparently rubbed ya’ll pretty raw and erupted in me being an ass and rude and crude.

                How do you think two consenting adults feel when they’re yanked naked out of hotel room, put in bondage, thrown in a dungeon, and have their money stolen from them?

              • You keep wanting to argue my points based solely on the principals of freedom instead of on my actual arguments. I have not even once argued that my stance wasn’t continuing the lack of freedoms in this area. This is my stance:

                We have a long way to go to regain our freedoms and I simply don’t believe we need to start with that which lessens our already declining values. Let’s start with economic freedoms and making people support and take care of themselves. Lets allow them to regain their self respect and lose the “you owe me mentality”-the other values will follow naturally because when you respect yourself you respect others. Equipped with the true meaning of freedom “mentality” such things as prostitution can be safely made legal. At least that is my opinion.

                Now if you want to make a point about why I am wrong based on my statements. Go ahead-I am listening but I already know they do not support freedom in the short term-but we aren’t free and I am looking at how to get there from here.

              • Bottom Line says:

                Anita – “…bring it.”

                Anita – ” Let’s drop it. ”

                Anita – ” I’m not arguing about your present a decent argument. ”

                Anita – “Whatever BL! Now you have somewhat dug yourself out of your ho le!”

                Anita – “But you put a personal slam on V.. then me because I called you out..both insults uncalled for..ridiculous!”

                Anita – “You’re an ASS…”

                BL – –Sigh– –

              • 🙄 Way to spin it BL.. Do you feel better now? Peace out!

        • v.h.

          Everything that people do affects everyone else

          This is false, especially when it is used to justify action on non-violent people.

          What two people do in their privacy does not involve you. To make such a perverse claim that it does creates tyranny

          • You may not like my use of the words but that doesn’t make the words untrue. I remember you talking about how we couldn’t take all the knives out at once because our society couldn’t handle it-I consider this a knife that society isn’t ready to remove. Because it wouldn’t be removed for the sake of freedom but for the right to be selfish and irresponsible. A furthering of the removal of moral values, which I personally think is the root cause for the strength of the progressive movement.

            • V.H.

              You are correct to reference my “knife” analogy.

              So allow me to expand on it.

              It makes no sense to plunge another knife into the body while working to removing the others…..

              • That possibility as far as I know only applies to Nevada-and I am not sure if I feel that which is legal should be made illegal. But I would want it to continue being regulated. I do not want it introduced to the other 49 states. Although I would accept the vote of the majority in my state if it came up-I simply would vote against it. And I do not want a Federal law outlawing anything-except abortion 🙂

  29. Now, Libya’s screwed-dafi is in REAL trouble…..the UN has now ordered a human rights probe into his actions…along with another sternly worded letter.

  30. V.H.

    But I would want it to continue being regulated

    Dive deep into yourself to explain why you want to control the non-violent actions of others.

    • Because even if prostitution is legal in Nevada-there is still going to be underage prostitution which should be stopped. And there will still be low life out of the public eye scumbags who will spread disease and mistreat children. Kinda like the hell-hole abortion clinic we all just read about.

      • It seems there is underage prostitution in every large city.
        Making it illegal seems to make the problem worse, as they
        know they cannot go to the police for help. Add to that, underage means a runaway. Laws will not fix this any more than they have for drugs or booze.

        It starts at home, with the values taught. Sadly, our entitlement society that excuses and rewards single mothers with multiple baby daddies have shown a amorale lifestyle has no consequences.

        Short answer, government intervention has caused the problem to grow. More government solutions will have similar results.

        • If it’s legal and they are underage they still can’t go to the police. Prostitution being legal will not stop underage prostitution but regulations and regular checking of the legal business’s will keep said business’s from hiring children. So society will still have to deal with the children who work on the streets just like we do now. That part will not change. I am not fooling myself that prostitution is ever gonna be stopped-I am simply saying that our society is IMO at a point that having morals is being laughed at. So deciding at this moment in time to say-well people are going to do it anyway-so lets make it legal-will just add to that disrespect for any “controlling” (sarcasm) principals.

          • VH,

            Consider the following song that might bear insight to today’s youth.

            Will you fight
            For the cause?
            Can you teach the savage mind
            Their ways are wrong
            Help them see
            What they want and what they need?
            And if we have to twist their arms
            They know not what they do is wrong

            (Now picture this being Obama’s song, when he talks about not wanting his daughters punished with an un-intended pregnancy. But he would make that choice for all our daughters. The other side, Bush or Huckabee would outlaw tobacco and Happy Meals, but only for our own good. )

            And if you said I would go to heaven
            Now, maybe I’ll try
            And if you said I would go to heaven
            Now maybe I’ll, maybe I’ll, maybe I’ll try

            Heretics and hypocrites
            Wear the same face through the years
            Of telling lies
            And laying blame
            Damn the fire then feed the flame
            Don’t dance, or sing, or try to think
            Their image is planted in your head

            And if you said I would go to heaven
            Now, maybe I’ll try
            And if you said I would go to heaven
            Now maybe I’ll, maybe I’ll, maybe I’ll try

            Ivy is just a dog
            With a heart that’s noble as
            The greatest man
            Who ever lived
            Won’t you please help her learn?
            And if we have to twist her arm
            She knows not what she does is wrong

            And if you said I would go to heaven
            Now, maybe I’ll try
            And if you said I would be a rich man
            Now maybe I’ll, maybe I’ll, maybe I’ll try

            Maybe I’ll try.
            Maybe I’ll try.

            Better than Ezra

            Laws do not make anything right or wrong. Good and evil are concepts we agree to, bad or evil people just don’t agree with popular choices. Laws just give a group of people power over others. And when laws are used against what the majority believe, such as abortion, we tend to demand more laws to fix the problem.
            When we decide

            ” we have to twist their arms
            They know not what they do is wrong”

            We become the heretics and hypocrites.

            • I understand your points and on some level I agree with you which might actually be the reason for my fear-but we are going to lose the fight for our country and our way of life, through our laws because they will be used against us if we don’t stand up for our western value’s . Obviously, I am not saying this based only on whether or not prostitution is legalized. Call me a fear monger or extreme-but there is a clear and present danger building and it is coming our way. I see it happening in European countries and I see the beginnings of it starting here. I simply don’t know what to do to stop it and I fear it will not be stopped. So people can take their shot on how wrong I am but I do not think I am.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                V.H. Happy Sunday Morning 🙂

                No shots will be fired from me, as I see that your concern is becoming a higher likelyhood each day. You should not fear the future, but rather embrace what your intuition tells you and prepare accordingly. Don’t be concerned with those who are blind, they have nothing to do with your actions. We’ve talked often about personnal responsibility, take that message and make what needed preparations that YOU feel necessary.
                See, no shots fired 🙂

              • Happy Sunday morning to you too G. And that word fear-sometimes gets a bad rap-it doesn’t always mean shaking it my boots-sometimes it just means a healthy respect for the danger.

            • And I should have said American Values not western.

          • Pretty song, no screaming or such.

            • You preach a good sermon there Pastor Illusion.

              It’s up to parents to ‘teach your children well’. Too bad so many parents fell off the wagon and now we’re so far down the drain that it’s going to take an incredible amount of Draino to clear the drain. Right now we have several generations that are completely..what’s BFs word…BEFUDDLED!. What are we supposed to do with these lost generations? At this point I think it’s going to take Jesus himself coming back to show the way again.

              As far as prostitution goes–I’m against it legal or illegal– because no one.. no one.. should treat sex as though it’s a recreational activity or money making opportunity.

              There! I said it ! Now who wants to argue that?

              • No arguments from me-Although socialist activities started a long time ago. I personally think it was a part of our generation that started opening that door wider and wider. And I don’t know if people really understand that they did it through the erosion of our social values. But I think the battle was started by the erosion of our freedoms based on our social values. A vicious circle of wrong-but laws are being used against us, the Constitution is being made irrelevant and I am not at all sure how we stop them without using our laws. Which starts the vicious circle all over again. Banging head on desk.

              • I know V. I’m banging my head with you. I’m truly hopeful that we are at a crossroads, tea party and all, that we will head down the high moral road, and since we’re the ones here now that we can continue to stress to our kids and grandkids that there are consequences to our actions. We are living the results of the wrong actions now. It HAS to stop somewhere or we’re doomed.

  31. I just saw Gov. Schweitzer (d. MT) say on the PBS News Hour that he would like the Federal gov. to develop an energy policy that would allow for domestic production. According to him, MT is rich in coal, oil, gas, wind, solar….. such production would change the fortunes of the country over the next generation and would get us out of the ME. Fancy that, common sense coming from a Dem.

  32. Different subject but curious what people think about this-and what lawyer strike????

    The Global Union Movement
    Ann Kane
    With all the union activity in places like Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Algeria lately, one might think there’s a conspiracy afoot. Actually, the global unionists’ plans are well documented, so it’s no secret what they’re up to: total economic control all in the name of worker’s rights, unity, justice and universal equity.

    The global union movement began in earnest back in the summer of 2005 when the SEIU and Teamsters broke from the AFL-CIO. They put together a new coalition, Change to Win, to emphasize organizing as opposed to political activism. AFL-CIO had been losing membership, and Andy Stern who took over SEIU at the time had plans to increase membership and organize international unions.

    In 2005 a reporter for the Pittsburgh Tribune laid out the foundations of the uprisings we are witnessing in the world today. They are being fueled by activist unions and they were foreshadowed in that article. Read which big names were involved in globally organizing unions to take down governments.

    WASHINGTON — A small and elite group, many of them connected to Washington’s radical think tank, the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS), has decided they will create a new international organization for the 21st century. It will be a massive labor alliance to rival the AFL.

    Not only IPS is involved with the new concept. There also are Andrew Stern, 54, president of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and his ultra-wealthy allies, George Soros and philanthropist Eli Broad.

    And there are others. Jimmy Hoffa of the Teamsters; Steve Rosenthal of America Coming Together; Drummond Pike, president and CEO of the Tides Foundation; and a raftful of lefty rebels defecting from the AFL.


    The United States’ comparative and small advantages do not generally lie in those areas where unions are strongest, as people like Stern, Rathke and Soros know. Already, their concepts for the future of large global unions and meetings with more than a dozen European, Australian and Chinese labor unions have begun to globalize unions on an industry-by-industry basis.

    Stern was a regular visitor to the White House in Obama’s first year, and now there’s news that AFL-CIO boss Trumka has been visiting twice a week, and on the phone with the White House every day. Are union bosses a monopolizing influence in our country’s policies? In Egypt’s policies? In Tunisia’s?

    In a 2007 interview with Charlie Rose, Andy Stern brags about having branch offices of his coalition in many different countries. On his website, he names three international unions in partnership with SEIU.

    And just this past January a report on unions in Tunisia:

    Though the movement appears to be a mix of grassroots spontaneity and targeted direct actions, it has achieved political valence through the savvy of organized labor activists. In the days leading up to the uprising, unions were feeding the foment of the demonstrators by calling strikes nationwide, including an 8,000 strong lawyer strike that paralyzed the courts.

    Sounds an awful lot like Wisconsin. And now that Obama has made the call to his clamoring minions across the country to put “boots on the ground…not just to help win elections but to strengthen our democracy,” the actions of the “massive labor alliance” appear to be in full swing.

  33. And this?

    The United Caliphate States of Europe
    By Samuel J. Mikolaski
    Increasingly, the leaders of Western Europe are recognizing the failure of multiculturalism. Whether they will do anything about the problem remains to be seen.

    How did Europe come to this pass? I speak as one born in the Balkans but raised in Canada, where I was, thankfully, assimilated to democratic, Anglophone culture. The issue in Europe has in part to do with the formation and expansion of the EU and whether, with the massive migration of worker Turks into Western Europe, Turkey should be admitted to the EU.

    Admission of Turkey into the EU clearly would exacerbate an already critical illegal migrant situation. This particularly affects Germany, France, Austria, the Netherlands, Scandinavia, and the UK (which also has a large population of Islamic Pakistanis). The drain on welfare resources and medical services to support these unassimilated populations has reached crisis proportions, to say nothing about the undermining of civil law in parts of Paris and London, the Midlands of England, Germany, and Austria.

    In addition, Europe’s problems have been worsened by American policies in the Balkans of the past 15 years. This is true in three important respects:

    * Our mismanagement of Bosnia
    * Our intervention in Kosovo
    * Our policy of defaming our traditional Serb allies while ignoring the incredible mafia criminality and anti-Christian destructiveness of Albanian and Bosnian Islamic extremism

    The extent of infiltration of Islamic organized crime from Albania and Bosnia into Europe is staggering. This is ignored or excused by the powerful Albanian lobby in America’s Northeast and in Congress. To be fair, some in Congress, such as Congressman Dan Burton of Indiana, are alert to the situation, and a fresh look is being taken at our Balkan policy within the State Department.

    The Bosnia Imbroglio

    President Clinton imported Al Qaeda from Afghanistan into Bosnia to counter Slobodan Milosevic, a decision facilitated in part by Madeleine Albright’s vitriolic, personal hatred of Serbs, which significantly skewed our foreign policy. We did not betray the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, and Bulgarians, all of whom had more reactionary communist regimes than the former Yugoslavia. The irony is that Serbs rid themselves of Milosevic without Washington’s help and turned him over to the Hague.

    The attempt to combine the three major ethnic groups in Bosnia into one state has failed. Serbs have defensively created Republica Srpska. The Croats, who have tried accommodation with the radical Islamist leadership, have decided they have had enough. They recently asked Russia to intervene in the Security Council to stabilize their situation in the face of radical Islamist undermining of their status in the Bosnian federation.

    I have carefully read the 700 pages of The Clinton Tapes by Taylor Branch. The book is based on 79 two-hour interviews, often late at night, as President Clinton sought over the years during his administration to freshly recount events of the day or of previous days.

    It is remarkable how little understanding is reflected in these tapes about the history of the Balkans, especially of the strong Christian heritage in Bosnia and Kosovo and the attempts by the Ottoman Empire to restrict Christianity by forced conversions to Islam through the kidnapping of Serbian boys (who became the famed Janissaries), by brutality, and by discriminatory economic policies.

    Nor was there even a hint of anxiety or regret at what his importing of Al Qaeda into Bosnia was causing as they settled down, married Bosnian women, and began the process of imposing Islamic radicalism on Bosnia, which had become significantly secular since the expulsion of the Ottomans from Europe after World War I.

    From Bosnia and Kosovo we now have one of the largest and most virulent drug cartels in the world, the worst of white slavery and prostitution trafficking into Europe, and terrorist training compounds. (Several of the 9/11 hijackers spent time in Bosnia among their Al Qaeda compatriots.) It is fascinating that some, including Boutros Boutros-Ghali, former Secretary-General of the UN, wanted to re-establish Christianity as the dominant culture in the Balkans against the rising radical Islamic tide, a proposal that never got off the ground.

    It is scarcely credible, but nevertheless true, that the Clinton Administration ignored the Islamic Declaration by Alija Izetbegović, former president of Bosnia and Herzegovina, in which he clearly urged Islamists in Bosnia and worldwide to take up jihad against the West. Instead they regarded him as “their boy,” ignoring the proliferating terrorist cells in Bosnia.

    The Devastation of Kosovo

    The silence of the West about the expulsion of Serbs, Romanies and other non-Albanians from Kosovo, the terrorizing of the remaining Serbs, and the destruction and desecration of literally hundreds of churches, monasteries, cemeteries and other Christian landmarks, some of which are medieval treasures, is a tribute to the West’s allowing some of the worst vandalism and repression of the Christian faith in modern times.

    There are more churches, monasteries and other Christian landmarks per square kilometer in Kosovo than anywhere else on earth. Kosovo is to Serbian Orthodox Christians what Canterbury is to Anglicans and the Vatican to Roman Catholics. But Christian Orthodox populations are expendable in the political maneuvering of Western politicians.

    The latest bombshell is the Council of Europe’s recently adopted report from Dick Marty that Kosovo leaders, including Prime Minister Hashim Thaci, are complicit in crime, including organ trafficking. There is now a strenuous effort to sweep the body parts issue under the rug lest it torpedo efforts to legitimize the illegally mandated separation of Kosovo from Serbia. The data are horrific: Serbian captive youths were selected on the basis of genetic compatibility for killing in order to harvest saleable body parts.

    The Marty report confirms allegations by prosecutor Carla del Ponte, of the Hague International War Crimes Tribunal, first published in 2008 (some say even earlier, in 2003). Human Rights Watch has called on the European Union Rule of Law Mission in Kosovo to appoint a special prosecutor based outside Kosovo to investigate Marty’s findings. But there is an insuperable obstacle to effective judicial proceedings: Kosovo is tiny, and it is almost impossible to shelter witnesses, should they come forward. Testifying would mean signing a death warrant against oneself and one’s entire family.

    Few in America recognize that in the Balkans we are reaping the whirlwind of recent policy errors. In Samuel Huntington’s words, we are indeed witnessing the clash of civilizations. But our adversary is not an identifiable state enemy. The strategy is to insinuate a minority Islamist population into a culture and allege discrimination while practicing it. Once they gain status or power they turn on their hosts.

    In America today one cannot even begin to discuss the issues. On April 25, 2008, at the Association for the Study of the Middle East and Africa, Bernard Lewis, professor emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, warned that there is:

    a degree of thought control and limitations of freedom of expression without parallel in the Western world since the 18th century … Islam and Islamic values now have a level of immunity from comment and criticism in the Western world that Christianity has lost and Judaism has never had.


    I don’t even know what I think about this yet. With all the talk around here about “how dare you tell me what I can do with my own body” this kind of creates a conundrum.

  35. Speaking of the lowering of our values-Please watch video-okay for 12 year olds. I had to fan myself after watching it-I wonder what ideas it will give children.

    It’s Wii too rude
    Spanking … trailer for Nintendo Wii game
    Spanking … trailer for Nintendo Wii game


    Published: Today
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    A RAUNCHY game for the Nintendo Wii has outraged parents who say it promotes orgies and lesbian sex to kids as young as 12.

    The video trailer promoting We Dare features two couples following on-screen instructions from the console.

    Raunchy … new game We Dare
    Raunchy … new game We Dare

    The girls are seen with the Wii remote dangling suggestively between their lips. Players then hide the “Wiimote” inside their clothes before the others spank their bottoms to control a flying cartoon character on screen.

    The men strip off for the girls as part of another task.

    Video: It’s Wii too rude for kids

    RAUNCHY sex game causes outrage as it is passed with 12 certificate

    * News

    One version of the promotional video, already seen by 375,000 people on YouTube, ends with the lads swapping partners and apparently going off to have sex. An alternative ending has all four romping together. The game is due for release on the Wii and PlayStation 3 next month.

    But parents say the 12+ certificate is a disgrace. Laura Pearson, 52, from Birmingham, said: “I have a 13-year-old daughter. If I knew she was playing a highly-charged sexual game I would be appalled.”

    A spokeswoman for French makers Ubisoft said: “We Dare is intended for an adult audience.” She said the age rating was set by an independent European panel.

  36. Just had to share this comment from NY Times with everyone. What are the implications?

    “Despite effusive promises to post legislation online and establish review periods of three days, the Speaker led the House into perhaps the shortest debate period in American legislative history, three minutes on each side–six minutes total. In the time I write this, both side have offered its limit of reasons for passing or defeating amendments affecting some of the most critical research, services, and funds the federal government provides on early life, children, women’s health and a myriad of other issues. Having criticised Democrats for not knowing what was in he healthcare reform bill, did the House Republicans know what was in the defunding amendments they voted for – had they read the amendments, assessed the merits, reviewed the rationales, researched the empirical data on national trends, talked to affected parties, or considered alternatives – all vital cogs in the legislative process?

    Since when did legislation go from being deliberative to speed dial?

    However, there is an underlying issue that Republicans ignore, except when they are whinning or out of power. Rights are tied to legislative platforms. Free speech is a right because it is protected by legislative and legal remedies and mandates that reinforce each other, establish the principle, and make its violation tough to get at. In fact, the purpose of the first ten amendments was to establish a Bill of Rights.

    So defunding government decreases our freedoms. It strips the platforms that support the world’s most open society. Cut back on police, crime will increase. Cut teachers, student performance drops. But moreover the common good, those things we can not do singularly but benefit from collectively, will suffer mightly. And all of this is being changed in increments of six minutes. “Sic Exsisto Is!” (So be it!)

    To fully understand the attack on rights, simply look at the parts of the budget easy to cut that are being ignored. Reduce private contracts and outsourcing. It is far more expensive to contract healthcare and food services in a war zone than to have the government provide support operations, for example. Consolidate functions that overlap among departments. Defund defense, now the world’s largest military budget.

    Of course, none of this can take place in six minutes, less than sixty days after a new Congress was sworn in. No wonder Boehner plans to have the House take every third week off. This is not governing, it is the politics of petty pay backs and pay offs, and personal targets that will make rags of America’s rich tapestry.”
    –Walter Rhett

    • First thought that comes to my mind is-Boy am I tired of both sides throwing the exact same accusations at each other. And both sides continuing to do things that make those accusations accurate. I’ll think more about it after lunch 🙂

    • This guy would never make it in our VDLG. Apparently he loves his bling (chains)! 🙂

    • Following his line of thinking-We should just give all our money to the government so they can protect our rights-and of course tell us what those rights are since somehow the responsibility to protect our God given rights has been miscombobulated to mean they give and they can take away.

    • SK Trynosky Sr says:

      Notice how this all comes down to fixing problems by spending more. Lets just throw more cash at it. That is except for the military.

      I would argue that there are examples galore of reducing crime with the same number or less police or by improving education by the expedient of demanding better teacher performance and eliminating the thirty seven assistant principals added to the payrolls in each school over the last forty years or so. Let’s not forget the grief counselors too that must be brought in when two gang bangers have it out.

      And the military would be cheaper to operate in a war zone by not contracting out? That sort of flies in the face wanting to decrease its size and personnel costs doesn’t it?

      And freedoms are improved by passing more laws and spending more? That too sort of ignores the intrusiveness of government with Patriot Acts, Hate Crimes and speech codes doesn’t it?

      What a friggen moron.

    • V.H., Anita and S.K.

      While what you all say is true the REAL IMPLICATION is contained within this paragraph:

      “However, there is an underlying issue that Republicans ignore, except when they are whining or out of power. Rights are tied to legislative platforms. Free speech is a right because it is protected by legislative and legal remedies and mandates that reinforce each other, establish the principle, and make its violation tough to get at. In fact, the purpose of the first ten amendments was to establish a Bill of Rights.”



      “So defunding government decreases our freedoms. It strips the platforms that support the world’s most open society.”


      “Cut back on police, crime will increase. Cut teachers, student performance drops. But moreover the common good, those things we can not do singularly but benefit from collectively, will suffer mightily. And all of this is being changed in increments of six minutes. “Sic Exsisto Is!” (So be it!)”



      • SK Trynosky Sr. says:

        Thanks for the correction re; where the rights originate from. I did fall into that trap. All the claptrap thrown at us over the last 100 or so years has made what should be self-evident a little less evident at a quick glance.

  37. February 27, 2011
    NYC taxpayers pay $9 million to replace teachers on union business
    Phil Boehmke

    As the Obama recession drags on and government waste is finally being taken seriously by some of our elected representatives, the fine print in lucrative government contracts is being read seemingly for the first time. Apparently when Nancy Pelosi and her comrades were busy consigning the taxpayers to financial ruin by pushing legislation which few if any of them had actually read, they had plenty of company at the state and local level. Now that the vaunted stimulus dollars (2010 Democratic campaign funds) have dried up, state and municipal governments must trim the fat from their budgets or face bankruptcy.

    The New York Post reports that the Department of Education is spending $9 million per year to provide additional teachers to cover lost classroom time for 1,500 public school teachers who are conducting business for the United Federation of Teachers.

    The DOE lets 40 experienced teachers collect top pay and fringe benefits, but work just one class period a day.

    Under a contract agreement since 2003, the DOE excuses these veterans to work for the UFT—currently 38 serve as district representatives and two as union vice presidents. The UFT pays them another salary, plus expenses.

    English teacher Tom Dromgoole, for instance, collects top teacher pay, $100,049 a year, from the DOE for his slot at Leadership and Public Service HS in downtown Manhattan. But he is relieved for most of the day to serve as a UFT high school rep. The UFT supplements his salary by $50,461, records show.

    Dromgoole is outspoken on state budget cuts, which he blasted at a boisterous protest last March with UFT President Michael Mulgrew. Reached Friday outside his Brooklyn townhouse, Dromgoole brushed past a reporter who asked about his UFT work, saying, “No comment.”

    Another veteran said of the lucrative gigs, “it’s a plum because you’re not teaching. Some principals give them little or nothing to do” because the UFT reps are powerful.

    The rest of the 1,500 teachers paid for time away from students are UFT “chapter leaders,” who represent faculty at each school. They get at least one class period a day “for investigation of grievances” and other union-related duties, the contract says.

    The United Federation of Teachers collects $126 million in dues from its members and yet reimburses the DOE only $900,000 of the nearly $10 million dollars spent annually to provide additional teachers to instruct students which have been abandoned in the name of union business. One principal wondered why the UFT isn’t picking up the tab, “They have a lot of money to run TV ads. Should DOE be paying for this?” Meanwhile the union and their membership assure us as that any cutbacks will affect the quality of education (as if it could sink and lower), because as we know “it’s all about the children.”

    As public school teachers in Wisconsin and across the nation abandon their classrooms to protest badly needed fiscal reforms they continue to show their commitment to the children by threatening strikes and slowdowns. If there is any question of the forces which have been deployed against the taxpayers during these trying times, just pay attention to the Democrat leadership and their fellow travelers in the MSM, listen to the blistering rhetoric being spewed by the public sector unions or better yet visit (the official website of the communist party) and take note of their steadfast support for the “workers.”

    Why am I ever surprised by this type of craziness-work your second job after work hours or let the dues pay your salary. This stuff is nuts.

  38. This speaks for its self.

    February 27, 2011
    Public Unions & the Socialist Utopia
    By Robert Tracinski

    The Democratic lawmakers who have gone on the lam in Wisconsin and Indiana-and who knows where else next-are exhibiting a literal fight-or-flight response, the reaction of an animal facing a threat to its very existence.

    Why? Because it is a threat to their existence. The battle of Wisconsin is about the viability of the Democratic Party, and more: it is about the viability of the basic social ideal of the left.

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    It is a matter of survival for Democrats in an immediate, practical sense. As Michael Barone explains, the government employees’ unions are a mechanism for siphoning taxpayer dollars into the campaigns of Democratic politicians.

    But there is something deeper here than just favor-selling and vote-buying. There is something that almost amounts to a twisted idealism in the Democrats’ crusade. They are fighting, not just to preserve their special privileges, but to preserve a social ideal. Or rather, they are fighting to maintain the illusion that their ideal system is benevolent and sustainable.

    Unionized public-sector employment is the distilled essence of the left’s moral ideal. No one has to worry about making a profit. Generous health-care and retirement benefits are provided to everyone by the government. Comfortable pay is mandated by legislative fiat. The work rules are militantly egalitarian: pay, promotion, and job security are almost totally independent of actual job performance. And because everyone works for the government, they never have to worry that their employer will go out of business.

    In short, public employment is an idealized socialist economy in miniature, including its political aspect: the grateful recipients of government largesse provide money and organizational support to re-elect the politicians who shower them with all of these benefits.

    Put it all together, and you have the Democrats’ version of utopia. In the larger American culture of Tea Parties, bond vigilantes, and rugged individualists, Democrats feel they are constantly on the defensive. But within the little subculture of unionized government employees, all is right with the world, and everything seems to work the way it is supposed to.

    This cozy little world has been described as a system that grants special privileges to a few, which is particularly rankling in the current stagnant economy, when private sector workers acutely feel the difference. But I think this misses the point. The point is that this is how the left thinks everyone should live and work. It is their version of a model society.

    Every political movement needs models. It needs a real-world example to demonstrate how its ideal works and that it works.

    And there’s the rub. The left is running low on utopias.

    The failure of Communism-and the spectacular success of capitalism, particularly in bringing wealth to what used to be called the “Third World”-deprived the left of one utopia. So they fell back on the European welfare state, smugly assuring Americans that we would be so much better off if we were more like our cousins across the Atlantic. But the Great Recession has triggered a sovereign debt crisis across Europe. It turned out that the continent’s welfare states were borrowing money to paper over the fact that they have committed themselves to benefits more generous than they can ever hope to pay for.

    In America, the ideological crisis of the left is taking a slightly different form. Here, the left has set up its utopias by carving out, within a wider capitalist culture, little islands where its ideals hold sway. Old age is one of those islands, where everyone has been promised the socialist dreams of a guaranteed income and unlimited free health care. Public employment is another.

    Now the left is panicking as these experiments in American socialism implode.

    On the national level, it has become clear that the old-age welfare state of Social Security and Medicare is driving the federal government into permanent trillion-dollar deficits and a ruinous debt load. Even President Obama acknowledged, in his State of the Union address, that these programs are the real drivers of runaway debt-just before he refused to consider any changes to them. You see how hard it is for the Democrats to give up on their utopias.

    On the state level, public employment promises the full socialist ideal to a small minority-paid for with tax money looted from a larger, productive private economy. But the socialist utopia of public employment has crossed the Thatcher Line: the point at which, as the Iron Lady used to warn, you run out of other people’s money.

    The current crisis exposes more than just the financial unsustainability of these programs. It exposes their moral unsustainability. It exposes the fact that the generosity of these welfare-state enclaves can only be sustained by forcing everyone else to perform forced labor to pay for the benefits of a privileged few.

    This is why the left is treating any attempt to fundamentally reform the public workers’ paradise as an existential crisis. This is why they are reacting with the most extreme measures short of outright insurrection. When Democratic lawmakers flee the state in order to deprive their legislatures of the quorum necessary to vote, they are declaring that they would rather have no legislature than allow voting on any bill that would break the power of the unions.

    National Review’s Jim Geraghty describes these legislative walk-outs as “small-scale, temporary secessions.” The analogy is exact. One hundred and fifty years ago, Southern slaveholders realized that the political balance of the nation had tipped against them, that they could no longer hope to win the political argument for their system. Faced with a federal government in which they were out-voted, they decided that they would rather have no federal government at all. The Democrats’ current cause may not be as repugnant-holding human beings as chattel is a unique evil-but it has something of the same character of irrational, belligerent denial. More than two decades after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the left is still trying to pretend that socialism is plausible as an economic system.

    The Democrats are fleeing from a lot more than their jobs as state legislators. They are fleeing from the cold, hard reality of the financial and moral unsustainability of their ideal.

  39. V.H.

    You have done an admirable job of demonstrating how easy tyranny is delivered by good people upon others.

    You want to use violence to stop other people from voluntary actions between each other. You judge them when you have no right to do so.

    You claim you are justified because you fear for your kids. You do not believe you are capable of raising them properly in a way the external influences do not dominate them.

    But how are justified? Your kids will leave one day and be fully immersed in external influences! What are going to do then? Machine gun down half the population?

    But what you do leave behind is an evil justification – that due to your inability to raise your kids you want others to attack non-violent people.

    Then, you sit back and wonder how the country got into a huge mess…..

    • I am reasonably aware of how we got to where we are. And we can disagree on the how we get there arguments. But I still know that if you concentrate solely on freedom while totally ignoring the “mind set” of the population, when that population has been taught for years to rely on the government and a selfish anything goes attitude-you will end up with chaos and a failed society. So like I said a vicious circle-one that you say is impossible to fix no matter what we do.

      • Bottom Line says:

        VH – “But I still know that if you concentrate solely on freedom while totally ignoring the “mind set” of the population, when that population has been taught for years to rely on the government and a selfish anything goes attitude-you will end up with chaos and a failed society. ”

        BL – If you concentrate solely on the “mind set” of the population while totally ignoring freedom, you will end up with chaos and a failed society.

        Pragmatism is no excuse to stifle freedom and violate rights. Freedom IS the pragmatic solution. The will to be free is as natural as gravity. When you try to stifle it, you only create conflict. You cannot regulate gravity any more than you can prohibit freedom. Society must be free to thrive and prosper. The second you add coercion for the sake of a subjective standard, society begins to erode.

        How we got to where we are is by a population that has been taught for years to rely on the government and have a selfish “what I say goes for everyone” attitude.

        • Actually BL, I am trying to concentrate on both-you seem to dismiss one and only give any credence to the other And you might be right but then again I might be right.

          • Bottom Line says:

            VH – ” BL, I am trying to concentrate on both-you seem to dismiss one and only give any credence to the other ”

            BL – Worrying about the mindset of others is part of the problem. Freedom is the solution.

            Freedom is the cornerstone for any successful society. The will to be free is shared by all creatures as freedom is the natural order of the universe. It is just like gravity, you cannot contradict it without causing conflict. It is universal and unalienable. It MUST be respected.

            In a truly free society, a selfish “anything goes even if it violates others” doesn’t work out too well…neither does a “MY way goes for all” attitude…which isn’t really any different. Both contradict freedom.

            Live and let live is neutral, free, conflicts with no one, hence why it is the pragmatic solution.

            Whether you have law or not, there are going to be selfish people that do not respect the rights of others…And you cannot fix it by more violating of the rights of others.

            Two wrongs don’t make a right.

            …or to quote Flag again,…”It makes no sense to plunge another knife into the body while working to removing the others…..”

            • But we do not live in a truly free society and the selfish are winning.

              • Bottom Line says:


                Exactly! – sort of.

                We do not live in a free society BECAUSE the selfish are winning.


              • He He! Well on this statement we agree-I guess on the how too possibly fix this problem, we will disagree- But I am not plunging a knife, I am simply choosing not to remove it first. Now I am tired and out of here. Have a good night 🙂

              • Bottom Line says:

                If you agree because you recognize that selfish people are the problem, then you understand that respecting the rights and freedoms of others is the solution.

                But do you recognize imposing your will onto others as selfish?

                If the answer is yes, you will agree that trying to fix the problem of selfish people disrespecting others’ freedoms with a selfish act such as imposing your will is like “plunging another knife into the body while working to removing the others”

                G’night, V.

                Sleep well.

        • BL:


          “If we don’t believe in freedom for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”

    • Mind if I jump in? Even though I already know I’m going to lose.

      BF..SF is a pretty dang “let it all hang out kinda place” Last I knew you do not reside there. Why? I’m sure you want to say because I like peace and quiet or my client base is not there. But suppose the SF mentality WAS everywhere. We would really live in Sodom …and you cannot escape it…is our only option to then leave the country? You cannot tell me that you would willingly live in a place like SF without finding it a non family friendly place.

  40. Bottom Line says:

    VH – ” … I am looking at how to get there from here. ”

    BL – You basically answered your own question when you said…

    ” Equipped with the true meaning of freedom “mentality” such things as prostitution can be safely made legal. At least that is my opinion.”

    It starts with the true meaning of freedom mentality, which is why I’m here debating it. I have the true meaning of freedom mentality now more than ever, and it doesn’t include things like accepting the continuation of the lack of freedoms, or using language like “OUR already declining values”.

    It isn’t OURS. There is no “OUR values”. There are YOUR values and MY values. And because they differ, because neither are superior, because no one has the right to force their values onto others, the only neutral means of dealing with it peacefully is to respect the freedom of others.

    Live and let live. You don’t bother me and I won’t bother you.

    If a prostitute has her john in a hotel room on the other side of town, it does you no harm, it does not affect you, and it should not bother you…IF you have a true meaning of freedom mentality.

    If a prostitute is with her john in your front yard, she is in the wrong, not because what she is doing is immoral according to your standards, but because she is violating your rights by doing it in your front yard… In which case, you should shoot her and her john with a tranquilizer dart and drop them off somewhere else.

    Pragmatism is never a justification for violating rights. The pragmatic solution IS freedom.

    Society must be free to thrive and prosper. The second you add coercion for the sake of a subjective standard, society begins to erode.

    Freedom is essential. The will to be free is as natural as gravity. When you try to stifle it, you create conflict.

    You cannot regulate gravity any more than you can prohibit freedom.

  41. V.H.

    Last I knew you do not reside there. Why? I’m sure you want to say because I like peace and quiet or my client base is not there. But suppose the SF mentality WAS everywhere. We would really live in Sodom …and you cannot escape it…is our only option to then leave the country? You cannot tell me that you would willingly live in a place like SF without finding it a non family friendly place.

    I live with my family in my house, and outside of my house I hold no concern about how others choose to live if they do not bother me.

    And, having lived in all sorts of places all over the world, from 5-star luxury suites to places just a bit up the “food chain” from a mud hut, I can say that this attitude of mine has worked very well.

  42. Anita, V.H.

    You think you see the disintegration of society, and to stop it, you believe using force will save it.

    The disintegration does not exist unless force is applied.

    Immorality has never destroyed a society –
    it can’t
    – it has natural feedback mechanisms that quickly educate others that such a life style tends towards “really bad things happening”.

    There are real, natural, powerful reasons that man has found that MORAL behavior “works” better than immoral behavior. Moral behavior is very successful. Immoral behavior … not so much.

    But you do not have faith. You want to force it.

    Thus, the Greek tragedy.

    A fear of something that cannot destroy society creates a want to use force which will ultimately destroy society.

  43. V.H. said above,

    “there is a clear and present danger building and it is coming our way. I see it happening in European countries and I see the beginnings of it starting here. I simply don’t know what to do to stop it and I fear it will not be stopped. So people can take their shot on how wrong I am but I do not think I am.”

    Sorry to miss the discussion. Overall I agree with you on everything except the solution. I think the government has caused, not the problem, but enabled it’s growth. The way to “fix” it is to phase out our Greater Society/entitlement society. Rewarding girls to have out-of-wedlock children is where many of our problems begin.

    anita Says:
    February 27, 2011 at 11:17 am

    You preach a good sermon there Pastor Illusion.

    It’s up to parents to ‘teach your children well’. Too bad so many parents fell off the wagon.

    Was not my intention. I like how so many songs touch on issues, and sometimes show real insight. After listening to that one many times and all the SUFA discussions, made me pay attention. Consider how the media has treated Obama and Bush on the Patriot act. They feared a conservative with too much power and we fear a liberal.

    The problem is with both. The only side should be “We the people” and the government that serves us. Things have been turned around backwards. I think the TeaParty message on small gov. will help in ways we have not considered.

    In closing, “no one.. should treat sex as though it’s a recreational activity”. Not gonna agree with you on that one…..LOL

    • I figured I’d get some grief on that statement..but not from you Pastor! 🙂 You’re just lucky I like your message…

      • Pastor? Hardly. Just find myself, especially with kids around, telling myself to be good…. Damn, but I’ve become boring.

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