Angst Against the Tea Party

On Friday, I was working the afternoon away when a co-worker popped into my office and asked a question (work related). I gave him the answer he needed and he then asked if I have been following the debt ceiling debates and madness that is going on in Washington DC. “A little,” I answered with a slight smirk, as I didn’t want to get into a political debate in the workplace. But he pressed on. “These Tea Party people are ruining the country. They are roadblocking getting a bill passed by refusing to agree with either party. Our economy is going to go into the shitter all because of them!” Oh my. What to do? Put him in his place? Say nothing and let another ignorant soul wander the earth? Those who know me well enough know that I had no choice, really. I had to say something…

But I played nice. It was in my workplace after all. I merely pointed out that with all the troubles of this economy, built over decades of reckless spending, resource plundering, social engineering, and government growing by the Democrats and Republicans, I find it incredulous that one would lie the blame at the feet of the Tea Party caucus that has been in office for less than a year. I added that I also find it odd that it was lost on said co-worker that he would lay the blame on the caucus that is represented by only 56 members of the House of Representatives. After all, the Republicans hold a 240-193 edge over the Democrats (47 seats).

Let’s look at this another way. The Republicans and Democrats hold a 377 – 56 majority over the Tea Party. How on earth can you hold a group that is outnumbered seven to one in the House responsible for roadblocking a bill or ruining the country? Wouldn’t you lay at least a little bit of the blame at the feet of the remaining 186 Republicans and 193 Democrats who absolutely refuse to compromise on anything at all. If those two groups of ass clowns got together and created a bill, the Tea Party caucus would be rendered mute!

But there-in lies the power of the modern media and the power of the leaders of the two major parties in America’s political system. They go out there and claim that the Tea Party is holding America hostage, with their measly little 56 members, and Americans buy it. Democrats are so eager to believe their full of shit party that they don’t even question that Democrats in Congress are the good guys who want to get a deal done. Republicans are so eager to believe their full of shit party that they don’t even question that Republicans in Congress are the good guys who want to get a deal done. Of course, it is those damn Tea Party folks that are causing all the problems.

The fact is that the reason we are watching all this fake drama in Washington is because the Republicans and Democrats are like spoiled children who both want it their way or no way at all. Those two parties of ass clowns are the reason a bill won’t get done (not that I mind for the record, as I think the economic apocalypse talk is nothing but fear-mongering). And for the record as well, we wouldn’t even be in this mess in the first place if it weren’t for the REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS. The Tea Party didn’t get us into this mess! Hell, they are infants in the world of politics. They haven’t accomplished a single thing yet. So how can all this be their fault?

It isn’t their fault. The reality is that the Tea Party exists precisely because this mess was created by the other two parties. Sure, it was the $700 Billion Bailout coupled with President Obama’s health care nonsense and insistence on entitlement program growth that was the catalyst for the initial creation. But the reality is that in the past, if you hated Democratic programs and plans, you rallied to the GOP in order to join the opposition. But that didn’t happen this time. This time a new group split off separate from the GOP because those who rallied to the Tea Party no longer had any faith in the Republicans either.

But an odd thing happened. In a world where the phrase, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” generally rings true, the opposite actually came to pass. The Republicans initially tried to embrace the Tea Party, only to find that the Tea Party wasn’t interested in becoming a new wing in the old boy network. The Democrats, seeing a new enemy of the GOP, didn’t embrace the Tea Party and attempt to align with them. Instead they also denounced the Tea Party. Suddenly the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy. Why would this be? I will tell you why…

I have long held, as have many others here at SUFA, that the two major parties in American politics are not enemies at all. They are both on the same team. Sure they have their differences. They are like two brothers. They fight bitterly and cannot agree on anything. They will beat the dog poo out of each other in a heartbeat. But like two brothers, the second anyone else gets involved, blood is thicker than water. The old, “I can call my brother a son of a bitch but if you call him a son of a bitch I will bash your face in” syndrome kicks in. What both major parties understand is that the Tea Party is a real threat to politics as usual in Washington. After all, one party just got a President elected under the completely false promise to end politics as usual in DC. They know that message works. So they will absolutely come together to end this threat to their two party domination on the reigns of power.

What is more amazing to me, however, is the angst directed at the Tea Party from otherwise rational, thinking average citizens. Cries of “morons”, “crazies”, and “radical extremists” seem to rain down upon the Tea Party folks. What exactly is stupid, crazy, or radical about the Tea Party’s basic foundation? The Tea Party is based around three fundamental ideas:

  1. A government that operates within the limits of the Constitution (as opposed to each sides “interpretation”)
  2. Sound fiscal policy (reducing the debt and limiting taxation)
  3. Decrease in government spending (smaller government and less entitlements)

I can understand how someone who instead prefers increased government spending and control, in contrast to the Constitution, such as those who support Socialism/Communism, would disagree with the Tea Party. But to think them crazy or stupid? What about those three things is crazy, stupid, or extremist (I am sure they are one step away from landing with veterans on Napolitano’s most dangerous list)? Is it because there are a few misguided folks out there who have showed up at rallies with signs that are spelled incorrectly? Would it surprise you to know that there have been many polls done to determine the demographics of the Tea Party and one thing that regularly shows up is that they are “likely to be more wealthy and have more education.” (That from the NY Times even!) So much for the “stupid white trash” stereotype.

Or is it because of the sometimes ridiculous stances that the supposed leadership of the Tea Party take. I know that there are some who believe Michelle Bachmann to be certifiable. And certainly the left’s Palin-phobia (who may not be all that smart or fit for the Presidency, but certainly hasn’t said a lot that I would classify as “crazy”) is always on display. When the Washington Post canvassed 647 Tea Party Organizers, asking them what national figure best represents the groups, 34% said no one. The highest individual was Palin at 14%. Ron Paul got 6% and Bachmann got 4%. The Tea Party doesn’t really have a “leader.” A plurality don’t think Palin is fit for the Presidency.

Or is it because they are the radicals who are screaming to get rid of entitlement and social programs? Despite their push for smaller government, a majority of Tea Party members favor Social Security and Medicare as government expenditures that they believe “are worth the cost.”

Oh, I know. It is because the Tea Party believes that Obama is a muslim (something I don’t really care all that much about, for the record) and he is half black. Only about one in ten answered that that was an issue they thought rallied people to the cause. On the other hand, concern over the economy was given in 99% of the answers.

The one downside that I personally see to the Tea Party is that they are a group that identifies themselves as a majority socially conservative. I have had just about enough of the social conservatives as I can stand. When they can get off the idea that gay people should be punished for some reason, I will stop giving them grief. But so long as they continue to embrace limiting gay rights, I have to take a pass.

I get it. I really do. The media will make sure that the vast minority of Tea Party folks who have some outlandish positions are the ones that will be prominently featured and portrayed as the “norm” in the group. Racists, Islamaphobes, and Homophobes, oh my! But the reality is that these types are a tiny part of the Tea Party as a whole. A few crazies who create a bad name for the rest of the party. But at least the Tea Party doesn’t have their fringe extremists as the spotlight characters leading Congress. Can the same be said of the two big boys in town? Are you really going to claim the Tea Party is crazy when your representation is Pelosi, Gingrich, Franks, Rangel, Boehner, McCain, McConnell, and Biden? Realistically, after the catastrophes of Bush and Obama, do you really think that a Tea Party candidate would be all that bad?

The Tea Party is a breath of fresh air in national politics. They are the only party with any traction who are not already in the pockets of corporations. They are willing to take a stand on getting this country back on the path of fiscal responsibility, reigning in spending, decreasing the deficit, and shrinking the government. These are principles that I can agree with. I am not a member of the Tea Party. I am not a member of any party, other than SUFA’s own VDLG. But I will defend them. Because they are up against the two big kids on the block who are better than anyone at manipulating public opinion. The hatred of the Tea Party today is a perfect example of how good they are at that.

But if this country is going to ever get to what I want it to be, it is going to have to start with groups like this who are willing to take a stand against the old boy network in DC. The Tea Party certainly isn’t perfect. They are not everything I would want them to be. But they are a hell of a lot better than the two groups of ass clowns running this country currently.

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Comments

  1. Buck the Wala says:

    Ah, so these are the two fundamental ideas (I combined sound fiscal policy with reducing spending, hope you don’t mind!) the Tea Party is based around:

    1) A government that operates within the limits of the Constitution (as opposed to each sides “interpretation”) – but not as opposed to the Tea Party’s own interpretation?
    2) Sound fiscal policy (reducing the debt, decreasing government spending and limiting taxation) – Reducing the debt is a great idea! Necessary to boot! Spending also needs to be reduced. I’m ok with that. What I’m not ok with is pushing all the spending cuts on the poorest amongst us. What I’m not ok with is a steadfast refusal to push some of the burden on the wealthiest. Why the manic opposition to some tax increases? In the family case that someone had posted the other day – making $100K a year, spending in excess of $100K and having a huge debt – certainly spending must be brought under control. But you and I both know it would also help if one or both received a second part time job, or was able to obtain a raise. There are always two sides to the equation – reduction in spending AND increase in revenue.

    On another note, I agree with you that blame needs to be laid on the feet of all three groups – the Tea Party, the GOP and the Dems.

    • Unemployment: 9%. The tax well is dry there. How about let’s get them working so they can pay some tax.

      Some folks,say New Yorkers, pay 50+ % in total tax. Many have just plain left the state to avoid the taxes. How much should they have to pay to make it fair in Buckland?

      • Buck the Wala says:

        “How about let’s get them working…”

        Would love to. Any ideas? And please don’t say lower taxes for corporations so they resume hiring. I’m tired of that non-argument.

        • Ok I won’t go there but that’s a start. How about repeal Obamacare? See, if you would have let me say lower taxes for corporations you wouldn’t be wincing now. Then maybe we can get a better handle on bringing manufacturing back. We don’t produce anymore. We’ve become a service country. That involves getting the union payscale under control. How about cut the ban on incandescent light bulbs, for eample, then we won’t have to buy from China. How about change the mindset of the people to buy American? It’s totally possible to get people back to work. Obviously the things we have been doing have created the high unemployment numbers. Obviously, it isn’t working this way. Obvioulsy we need to change course.

          • Buck the Wala says:

            I’m all for repealing Obamacare….

            ….and imposing universal health care in its place.

            Now who’s wincing??

            • Me! Why do you insist on raising ta..I mean revenue?

              • Buck the Wala says:

                Why are you so steadfastly opposed to any measure to increase revenue?

              • Because there seems to be no end to it. How much do you possibly need? 14T has built up because they keep wanting to spend more. Nice! OPM–Other People’s Money. Let’s let the 535 pay off the debt…they created it. Matter of fact lets let the Ds & Rs pay the debt..Tea Partiers get a free ride for a while.

              • Buck the Wala says:

                Anita, I am not saying there should only be increases in revenue and no cuts in spending.

                There should be a combination of spending cuts and revenue increases. No?

              • No. ELIMINATING and REDUCING spending on the remaining departments and agencies would free up plenty of cash.

            • You tell’em Buck!

              Single payor, end of story. Healthcare is a necessity.

              • Buck the Wala says:

                Calm down – you’re liable to give Anita a mental breakdown!

              • Never, Anita loves me.

                And I love her.

                She’ll see the light …

              • From where I sit it’s looking pretty dark, CHARLES! Penalty points for you, but you’re right I still love you.

              • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

                Of course it is, I decide when and if I need healthcare, and if I decide I need it, I PAY FOR IT. I am the single payer responsible for my own healthcare. If someone else needs or wants heathcare, then they better damn well pay for it, it isn’t my responsibility.

                As far as “raising revenues” goes (which is newspeak for raising taxes), it has been proven that the best way to raise government revenues is to cut government spending and cut taxes. Government revenue in terms of absolute incoming dollars goes up when you do that.

  2. A Puritan Descendant says:

    Fine article.

    The Tea Party helped bring our debt problems into view of all. President Obama previously behaved as if our debt was no problem at all. Now we apparently have some small progress.

    Some tea party/conservative politicians say they will not agree to raising the debt ceiling under any circumstances. If they want to remain credible they should state exactly what they would cut/eliminate to balance this year’s budget. Maybe once they try to answer this question to their constituents, they might rethink their position.

  3. I just posted the following on a liberal dem site: Until the Democratic left learns from the tea party, the party itself(Democratic party) will continue to get its collective ass kicked by extremists on the right (the tea party). The shame is the democratic left refuses to take the bold steps required to make themselves heard. Labor in this country just suffered massive setbacks while Obama looked for “comfortable shoes” … unions have been vilified and American workers without unions have been subject to the greed of corporations that hold outsourcing forever over their heads (something any moron could have precluded before handing over $700 billion no-strings-attached dollars to bail Wall Street out). So long as the democratic left continue to act like sheep and get in line when push comes to shove, they have little to whine about. Break away and see how fast the democratic party is forced to take notice (i.e., what the tea party has done to the GOP).

    While I disagree with the vast majority of the tea party platform (I actually pretty much find the inequity in their plan disgusting), I admire their balls and methodology. There’s no denying it worked.

    I do find fault with the following point: 1.A government that operates within the limits of the Constitution (as opposed to each sides “interpretation”)

    This would be a third interpretation by definition; there is no single interpretation everyone agrees on.

    • Buck the Wala says:

      Well said Charlie, well said.

    • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

      Charlie, there is no single interpretation that everyone agrees on, that is true. The reason for this is that those who desire power do not wish to have LIMITS placed upon that power, and the Constitution was a document written to LIMIT the power of the federal government over the States and the People, so those who desire power want nothing to do with it.

      As the People, we should favor the interpretation of the Constitution which MOST STRICTLY LIMITS the powers of the federal government. If we the people do not do this, then we are asking for our freedom and liberty to be destroyed.

  4. Kathy…you gained another title. HOBBIT. In my church lady voice– isn’t that special!

  5. The so called Tea Party has done one major thing that no one is bringing out…. it is responsible for forcing three house bills to the floor WITHOUT ONE SINGLE EARMARK to buy any votes and ONE SINGLE ADD ON. They are not there. The first time a spending bill has come to the floor in 46 years with out earmarks or add ons……that alone is worth it.

    We all have been talking about changing government and here is a small group that has the cajones to do it….to get away from the establishment…..to get away from the Democrat/Republican machine of compromise and good old boys scratching each other’s butt and patting each other’s back……

    I am not Tea Party but am rethinking.

    • d13

      Good morning Colonel.

      EXACTLY !!!!!

      Furthermore, they have changed the very discussion among the leaders and in the media. Despite the usual, and expected, ridicule they have been and will continue to be a force. I saw dozens of interviews this past week with “Tea Party” Republicans stating that they were not concerned with what the media or President or Wall Street thought. They were elected to represent their constituents and that was their only concern. Once could argue whether they have a handle on who their constituents are, but the approach is REFRESHING.

      And I might add, it is HONORABLE.

      Hope all is well in the land of warmth and humidity.

    • USWeapon says:

      Good Afternoon Colonel… You took the words right out of my mouth. The Tea Party has singlehandedly completely altered the conversation. The down side is that all they have really done is force Dems and Reps to alter the lies that they tell and change the narrative. The Tea Party changed the conversation outside of Washington, but they are not getting a lot done to change the mindset inside Washington. Although no earmarks on a budget bill is something….

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:

        “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”

        Ghandi

  6. Hey…one of you New Yorker’s confirm something for me, please. I just heard on the news that a pack of cigarettes in NYC costs…$14 and change per pack…..is this true?

    • Buck the Wala says:

      Wouldn’t know – I don’t smoke. Last I checked it was upwards of $10 though so wouldn’t be surprised.

      • The subject was state taxes on several things and cigarettes was mentioned and it was $14 bucks and change….wow. I do not smoke either. I think I will check here and see what it is. Curiosity, if anything.

    • I was in Illinois this weekend, the wife wanted to buy sneakers. I told her afterwards, “Don’t worry I won’t mention the point that our state doesn’t have taxes on clothing.”

      Oh, and it was $5 in tolls to get from Gary, Indiana into Illinois. (well worth it)

      • You got ripped off Naten. I just traveled from Illinois, thru Gary, into Michigan for 60 cents. The toll was in the 80-90 section until I hit 94 🙂

        • the 80-90 and 80-94 sections are fine, the 90 section takes you by the factories and pollution of Gary

        • What are tolls?

          • Toll roads originally started as truck routes…smooth sailing right on to the next destination. They’re pay as you go..toll booths set up right on the highway..you cough up said amount of change and keep on truckin! Money is used to maintain the roads.

            • Esom Nation says:

              I was kidding Anita. 😉 We just don’t have that crap where I live. Except for ATL. And we don’t consider them part of GA anyhow.

              Of course, where I live the roads are for doody too. But you can drive on them for free. That is, if you consider all the taxes we pay free!

  7. Ray Hawkins says:

    I just wanted to point out that seems within the same article USW seems to attribute both formal and non-formal status to the “Tea Party” – attributing a formal status at least signifies a more commonality of platform, framework and importantly, leadership. I think the opposite is true though – there are Tea-Party-like ideas and groups – but it is still too fluid I would think to state:

    “They are the only party with any traction who are not already in the pockets of corporations. They are willing to take a stand on getting this country back on the path of fiscal responsibility, reigning in spending, decreasing the deficit, and shrinking the government. These are principles that I can agree with.”

    I’m sure if we dug even a little we’d see some corporate money leaking into Tea Party groups. The rub is that sans any structure or leadership, there isn’t much that precludes one from claiming Tea Party lineage.

    I honestly thought that what you’d touch on also would be Tea Party-ish tactics like the Norquist pledge. There is good and bad to such a pledge imho – it at least sets a baseline but it also, if followed to the letter, eliminates an element of negotiation.

    • Ray, with respect, you never want to take a stand on anything. As rough and tumble as you present yourself, you won’t stand up for anything. Tea Partiers are dug in, Corp money or not..they lay it out there and hold folks accountable. Pretty honorable if you ask me. Norquist pledge insists on no tax increases. Tea= Taxed Enough Already.

      • Buck the Wala says:

        Didn’t I read something recently where Norquist himself said allowing the tax cuts to expire would not go against his pledge??

        • He said it would be acceptable if there were dollar for dollar cuts to match the increase caused by eliminating the loopholes.

          He also pointed out that his groups position is to eventually eliminate ALL loopholes/deductions and reduce the marginal rates to match the current effective rates. This would be revenue neutral but save the Fed Govt billions in tax compliance costs.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Sorry Anita – I find nothing respectful whatsoever in your insult. Ask me any positional question and you will get an answer. My point about the “Tea Party” is that they really are not a Party in the traditional sense because there is no uniform positions congruent across the different groups that claim to be Tea Partiers. I’m stupefied that you find it irrelevant (?) if corporate cash is involved or not in funding the Tea Party message.

        And to be clear, the Norquist pledge is specific to:

        (a) Opposing any and all efforts to increase the marginal tax rate for individuals and/or businesses.

        (b) Opposing any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates.

        For the record and for your record – I oppose both of these concepts/requirements. Can’t make it clearer w/o crayons and construction paper. 🙂

        • Sorry you took it that way, but as usual you just shut down the discussion

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            Not shutting down anything Anita – you basically tell me I’m wishy-washy on everything (of course, you said this with respect). Tell me where I am off on the Tea Party or engage me on some other position – am happy to dialogue on it. I’d have loved to see the Tea Party morph into something other than a fulcrum for political weasels like Bachmann to stake claims to – but I also sense that as soon as the Tea Party formalizes then its already lost its true calling.

            Just don’t lob a grenade like that and expect me to say….

            “Yeah. You’re right”

            • Once the tea party finds corporate sponsors, they are as fugazy as either the Dems or the Reps. The fact they are against “all taxes increases” make me very suspicious of their stated intent. I suspect, in the end, they’ll be just another branch of corporate pawns (if they aren’t already). We’ll know soon enough … the presidential election is around the corner … then we’ll see just how true to their stated cause they are.

              • But Charlie, your statement is incorrect in that they are against all taxes. They want spending reduced and managed before revenue streams are produced. I have not found any Tea Party member opposed to taxes ( I actually know several ) …..they are opposed to taxes as it stands now without limiting government and balancing the budget and living within our means. They are not opposed to taxes when it is a necessary item but you will find that they are not entitlement minded except in extreme cases. I am opposed to raising taxes as it currently stands now. I want to see limited government.

                I do not want to see a single payer system on anything….rather….open the competition beyond state lines. If that happens, you will see HUGE
                reductions in premiums and greater affordability and greater choices. Do that first. Then look at what shakes out. If that does not solve the problem even for the poor…then come to me for taxes administered properly,state controlled and state funded….and get the damned feds out of it and I would be more supportive.

              • Ray Hawkins says:

                @Charlie – its relatively easy to see, much to the chagrin of Anita and others, that at minimum, the Koch brothers and FOX fall into the category of Tea Party sponsors. The Tea Party grass roots movements had weeds in it from the get go.

                Heck – here is a media matters article just to roast a few nads this fine day:

                http://mediamatters.org/research/201107290021

              • Show me any text in the article where an agenda is being pushed.

              • An agenda that would in any way benefit Fox or Koch

    • Ray

      Consider the no tax increase pledge as similar to the Secure the Borders First position of most people.

      As I have said before, I think Tea Party types would agree to increased tax revenue if it were earmarked for DEBT reduction. That is to repay the money taken out of SS/Med/Medi funds.

      But at this time, any increase in revenue would be used to fund GROWING program costs. Thus one MUST stand firm on NO NEW TAXES.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        JAC – the skeptic in me says the accounting systems in D.C. are too hosed to earmark anything for anything. I don’t agree that “any” increase in revenue would be used for government expansion (growing program costs) – needed is more tighter, timely and transparent scrutiny of Department/Agency financial statements so we can see where the money is going and whether they are spending more/less. I’ll simply affirm that the more taxes I pay the less I invest/save/spend – pretty simple. I am also not motivated to seek higher paying employment because of the imbalance in higher taxes, etc.

        • Ray

          My claim that new revenue would be spent on growth is based on the FACT that in WASHINGTON a CUT is in truth a reduction in future growth rates. It is NOT a REDUCTION in current expenditures.

          For example, under the current range of proposed “CUTS” the debt would increase from 5 to 7 trillion over the next ten years.

          As for the accounting issue, that can easily be handled with a separate line item on the tax returns. Added on after the regular taxes are calculated.

          The bigger point regarding the supposed entrenchment of the Teas Party is the irony of claiming those Citizens are “radicals” because they are finally tired of politicians lying to them. So they finally draw a line in the sand that will get the politicians attention and they are labeled as “anarchist”, “traitors”, “entrenched”, “radical ideologues”, etc, etc.

          There is good reason to hold firm on the “no tax increases” position until we see REAL reductions on the spending side. Even when some of those “increases” can be used to embarrass them politically.

      • Agreed…stand firm and let the chips fall. As Obama once said……the sun will rise.

    • USWeapon says:

      @Ray

      I apologize that I didn’t make myself clear enough. The Tea Party is both at once. Within the beltway, they are an organized group, a formal caucus with a clear leader (Bachmann). Outside the beltway, when you get to the citizens, they are a very loose knit coalition of people without the structure of the two major parties. Can you imagine the different GOP factions in different cities having different platforms and different agendas? That is exactly what is happening with the Tea Party groups. So you are correct, very unorganized in general, but inside the beltway they are very organized and have clear leadership (although still not as much so as the other two parties).

      As for the Norquist pledge, I agree there is good and bad in such a thing. I didn’t touch on it because I really didn’t have a strong opinion one way or the other. The article came out of someone blaming this whole debt ceiling struggle on the smallest group in Congress, coupled with the consistent mantra from some people here at SUFA that they are “Crazy”. I just thought they deserved more than that so I offered my opinion. Sorry to disappoint.

  8. Again – and as usual – so much time and posting is wasted on debating what government “should do” to repair their economic destruction.

    But not one thing you believe they should do, will be done – all this posting is futile and pointless and avoids the real issue – what are you going to do mitigate the disaster and what are you going to do after

    • I see no disaster…..yet. It is business as usual. I do not believe anything Wall Street says…nothing. There will never be no government, BF…I think we both know that and we both understand economics…..I would love no government but that is futile and another debate. I like what has happened so far if the “new breed” can avoid contamination. I like the non buying of votes with no earmarks and additions. I do NOT like the compromise behind closed doors and I do not like compromise at all when the “new breed” feels they are right, I hope it continues into the next election cycle and I am ready for a lot more debt debate. I hope this trend continues….as it has the establishment scared right now.

      I hope Potomac Fever does not get them and more can be added to the realm. But, my old pappy said one time…hope in one hand and spit in the other and sees which fills up the fastest. Maybe….JUST MAYBE…..there is some substance this time and they do not cave. I do not share the media dribble that the voters are think this Tea Party movement is the blockage….I see and feel otherwise….at least among those I talk to.

      By the way,how are you, sir?

      • Terry Evans says:

        I feel pretty much the same as you D13…but I have to admit that BF’s statement : “But not one thing you believe they should do, will be done ” is extremely hard to argue with…given the history of Washington….

      • D13,
        Well, thanks for asking!

        Brother-in-law was with us on a weekend pass from the hospital. He is coming around -albeit slowly – but that is still a miracle.

  9. Ray Hawkins says:

    I’ll go on the record and say that I think social conservatism is a major plank/element of the Tea Party “movement” – I’m not shocked by that – but put simply – I think its a big enough deal that I don’t believe in supporting a wolf in sheep’s clothing that uses fiscal conservatism (a good thing) as the cover to start/advance the next culture war. Polls like the Pew poll show enough smoke for me to realize the movement was backdoored (pun intended) a long time ago.

    • Ray

      Here is the Tea Party’s mission statement. Please note the absence of any position on “social” issues.

      “Tea Party Patriots Mission Statement and Core Values

      Mission Statement
      The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.

      Core Values

      * Fiscal Responsibility
      * Constitutionally Limited Government
      * Free Markets

      Fiscal Responsibility: Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fiscally responsible or it must subject its citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.

      Constitutionally Limited Government: We, the members of The Tea Party Patriots, are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support states’ rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all other matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.

      Free Markets: A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government’s interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore, we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention into the operations of private business.

      Our Philosophy
      Tea Party Patriots, Inc. as an organization believes in the Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, and Free Markets. Tea Party Patriots, Inc. is a non-partisan grassroots organization of individuals united by our core values derived from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America, the Bill Of Rights as explained in the Federalist Papers. We recognize and support the strength of grassroots organization powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. We hold that the United States is a republic conceived by its architects as a nation whose people were granted “unalienable rights” by our Creator. Chiefly among these are the rights to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” The Tea Party Patriots stand with our founders, as heirs to the republic, to claim our rights and duties which preserve their legacy and our own. We hold, as did the founders, that there exists an inherent benefit to our country when private property and prosperity are secured by natural law and the rights of the individual. As an organization we do not take stances on social issues. We urge members to engage fully on the social issues they consider important and aligned with their beliefs.

      • USWeapon says:

        With all due respect, JAC….

        I believe when they discuss the areas of government limited by the Constitution, they are also discussing social issues. A lot of the state’s rights issues are social ones: gay marriage, welfare, unemployment, health care, etc. While I don’t think the Tea Party CURRENTLY flexes their muscle on social issues, I do believe that they have possibly set the table to do so later. For now they are focusing on fiscal policy, and I support their ideas there. If they stray into social issues, I will have to wait and see…

        • Social Issues ehh?

          I believe the problems with the so called “Establishment” in D.C. ; stem from the loss of good ethics, morals and mores which contribute to a smoothly operating free society! Do you lubricate a gear-box with sand or oil?

          What say you USW? 🙂

        • I’m on the mailing list of several tea party groups and I’ve attended numerous tea party gatherings. Social issues are not part of the dialog. Unless you get involved and can see first hand, I’d encourage you not to put your beliefs out there about what “they” are up to.

          • USWeapon says:

            @Kathy…. you shouldn’t assume that I have not been involved. Remember that I helped run a campaign for a candidate that was campaigning on Tea Party principles. I also helped write some speeches for Mad Mom, who is head of the Tea Party in Rhode Island. I have attended several of their rallies and have followed nearly everything else about them very closely. You came across fairly snippy there. I would have thought you would remember the efforts that I put forth for the Tea Party in the past. Because I chose not to stay involved with them doesn’t mean I don’t know what they are about. The fact that so many of them are touching on social issues is one of the reasons that I haven’t been more involved of late.

            By the way, did you notice that the entire article happened to be a DEFENSE of the Tea Party?

            • Just sick of the overall ridicule and name calling and now we’re being attacked for social issues that are not part of the movement.

  10. Ray Hawkins says:

    Diversion for a moment……

    “To the No Dog left Behind fan page followers, If you’re reading this it means I didn’t make it back. Please do not mourn my death. You are some of the nicest, and most whole hearted people I have ever had the privilege of being affiliated with. I love you all and wish you all the best that this world has to offer. God bless you all, the U.S. Military, and the USA. Rangers Lead The Way! De Oppresso Liber!
    James”

    This was a posting from a close team member of “James” – recently KIA in Afghan. James was heavily involved in the No Dogs Left Behind program some of you may have seen on the Military Channel.

  11. If the Koch brothers are financing the tea party, then that’s reason enough for me to call the tea party fugazy. Taking a note from YOUR notebooks (emphasis added), if the tea party is for removing/decreasing corporate taxes, then they’re for corporatism. That’s a bit of a contradiction to the “free market” nonsense I read about here. So long as corporations can walk away from bankruptcy without penalty (i.e., those in charge/investors, etc.) cannot be held liable for their misdeeds, then it’s a one-side coin.

    Threaten them with genuine jail terms and nationalization and me thinks it would cure a lot of corporate issues. And if they flee, so be it, they’re doing so now anyway. We’ll figure it out.

  12. Buck the Wala says:
    • Terry Evans says:

      It’s from the Daily KOS…enough said.

    • The Daily Kos, you’re kidding right? That’s as bad (worse in my personal opinion) as using Wikipedia. Wouldn’t even waste my time to click on the link.

      • Buck the Wala says:
        • Yes.

          • Buck the Wala says:

            I also have one to the Portage Daily Register, local newspaper: http://www.wiscnews.com/portagedailyregister/news/article_eb1ec1bc-ae96-11e0-aecd-001cc4c03286.html

            You really shouldn’t dismiss Daily KOS out of hand.

            • Yes I should. I’ve read enough of the hate that comes from the dailykos and their band of merry posters. I find most of what comes from them to be put forth in a “frothing-at-the-mouth” rage. I won’t even give them the satisfaction of a click to show traffic.

              I can find the information at other sites.

            • Buck

              This is NOT the same incident.

              So according to this article the applications must be received by the Clerk no later than Aug 4th or Aug 5th if you are military. But the deadline for submitting absentee ballots “in person” is Aug 5th.

              No deadline is mentioned regarding ballots mailed. But did you notice there was a footnote mentioning a correction due to bad information from the county clerk due to failure to reprint rules to match recent changes in the law?

              Also seems curious to me that only one person in the neighborhood got these forms yet others were contacted by various groups the same weekend. And, apparently no info showing who left the applications. But the other applications were clearly marked with AFP logo.

            • FYI – major crap happening throughout the state in regards to these recall elections. The whole thing should be abandoned and let the people’s original voice (the election) hold.

        • Okay, so it seems to me there should be some investigation for determining any violation of laws, and if so charge those responsible and let them have their day(s) in court.

          It is definitely just one more example of why voters must become diligent at educating themselves and take nothing at face value.

    • Buck

      From KOS:

      “Americans for Prosperity is sending absentee ballots to Democrats in at least two Wisconsin state Senate recall districts with instructions to return the paperwork after the election date.”

      The first part of this statement is a LIE. Americans for Prosperity sent out “applications” for absentee ballots, NOT absentee ballots. Also note that the application clearly states that you must be “registered to vote” in order to get an absentee ballot.

      The deadline for submitting the actual ballots is described twice. Once as the first Thursday before the general election and once as August 11.

      I am not sure if this is “covert” or a mistake. But it shouldn’t affect voting anyway. Because the ACTUAL absentee ballots will certainly contain accurate instructions from the county clerk regarding the mailing date.

      • Buck the Wala says:

        “But it shouldn’t affect voting anyway. Because the ACTUAL absentee ballots will certainly contain accurate instructions from the county clerk regarding the mailing date.”

        True, IF the ‘fake’ application is ever actually received by the county clerk and the voter obtains an absentee ballot. Given recent attempts to suppress voting, not so sure this is some innocent mistake.

        • Buck

          I am not sure either. Nor who is really behind each incident. I have seen some shady stuff in my days, including Dems pretending to be Reps in order to defame the R’s candidates or suppress turnout. I have no doubt that Reps are capable of the same types of things.

          • Thank God JAC is back! The colonel needs a break. He held the fort down well while you were (with Obama) on a roadtrip.!

            • Anita

              Thank you my dear. It is good to be back. I was visiting old friends in Nevada last week. Not exactly Obama fans. Well except one. She even loves Reid. Guess we all need a friend like that so we can claim them at a cocktail party 🙂 .

              • I have more friends like that than I care to admit. Cocktails around here consist of Jack, Jim, and Bud(weiser)! Discussions of politics are just about useless after a few are thrown back! 🙂

  13. 😐

  14. Canine Weapon says:

    A shining example of the American educational system!

    Link.

    • Canine Weapon says:

      • Bad day for that camera! Saw a Google Maps car in my hood last week. Neon green, all decked out smart car type vehicle, 4 ft tripod on top with a soccer ball type camera on top. Pretty cool.

  15. So let me get this straight … the tea party is all for smaller government and “liberty” (to include free markets), yet it is backed by corporate sponsors? I guess they’re not against corporatism? Doesn’t that make them Republicans?

    Hmmm.

    • Charlie

      Corporate sponsorship of a private group is NOT corporatism.

      • Until the private group supports not taxing the same corporations, I would think. If that’s the case, the tea party winds up being just another sucker for interest groups, no? I don’t see them holding up the legislative process to ban corporations (or the loopholes they enjoy).

        • Charlie

          Then you are not paying attention. It was the Tea Party Republicans that proposed killing ALL tax deductions during the House debate on the budget. The proposal was killed by the Traditional Republican Chair of the Committee.

          You also fail to realize that in many cases a company supports groups that happen to agree with their interest. They don’t pay money to a group to get the group to change its view or lobbying position. In other words, the corporations become just another sucker for a special interest group.

          Quite frankly, its easier to start their own group than change one that is not aligned with their goals.

          I support elimination of ALL business taxes, corporation or otherwise. Income taxes should be imposed on actual “individuals”. I also happen to support the VAST reduction of the Federal Govt’s size and scope. These goals are NOT contradictory.

          • Then you are not paying attention. It was the Tea Party Republicans that proposed killing ALL tax deductions during the House debate on the budget.

            With all that clout they seem to wield, they came up empty? Or was that a giveback?

            As to corporations becoming another sucker for special interests … isn’t that backwards? It’s the money doing the talking (or there is no lobby–party)? It seems to me the tea party doesn’t get to dodge this one, JAC. If the Koch brothers are behind it … something stinks in Denmark.

            • 56 votes is clout?

            • “With all that clout they seem to wield, they came up empty?” 56 seats. 377 loyal party members had the power to protect their gravy train.
              The TeaParty would be the swing vote for either the Repug’s or Dem’s for any issue. Their problem is they are against both parties and how they have feathered their nests at our expense.

              “If the Koch brothers are behind it …” Charlie, Charlie, what about everyone Soros gives to??? You only tell one side of the story.

              • How about we just remove all monies from be given to politicians and their campaigns that come from an source other than directly from individuals? No PAC monies, no union monies, no corporate monies, no monies from anywhere else.

                PACs, unions, corporations can spend their monies on political initiatives, issue based commercials, get folks registered, etc., but not one thin dime directly or indirectly (like through the DSCC, RSCC, Dem Party, Repub Party, etc) to any candidate, or in support of any candidate.

                And don’t give me the argument that it would take the voice of the voting public away from people by restricting the influence of a group of like minded voters…….that won’t hold water. Instead, we could find that it gets politicians listening to voters instead of partisan groups who can throw large sums of monies at candidates and their campaigns.

                It might compel politicians to respect their constituents.

                Just a thought………….

              • I’m not arguing for Soros, my man. I’m pointing out that the tea party, if they’re taking corporate duckets, can’t be all that clean. I immediately have to assume they’re wheelers and dealers of the same ilk. They were 1,000 x’s smarter than liberal dems in the way they used their power, no doubt, but that doesn’t make them any cleaner.

                I have no problem with your proposal about contributions. Makes sense to me. No argument here.

  16. Dorothy, of Oz,

    .is 70 years old!

    Today, if Dorothy were to encounter

    Men with no brains, no hearts,

    And no balls,

    She wouldn’t be in Oz.

    She’d be in Congress!

    • Buck the Wala says:

      Reminds me of Bill Maher’s quip:

      “There are two parties in Washington. One with no brains and one with no balls.”

  17. I agree with the article in it’s entirety. I happen to fully support the Tea Party’s positions. As far as the few bad apples, show me a group who doesn’t have any. That is the nature of humanity. If someone has a good idea, and the Tea Party is one, there is always some asshole who has to horn in and try to put their two cents in.

    And in the case of the Tea Partiers, the bad apples are magnified and absolutely ANY, ANY mistakes or flaws at all are magnified by the Shitty Liberal Media. Makes me want ot puke. Because dumbasses like Reid, Pelosi, and Obama are praised for being just that, Dumbasses.

    I pity this Nation and what it is becoming.

  18. Busy day. I can understand where some see the TeaParty as being on the far, far right. The main message I have gotten from them has been fiscal conservatives. Their focus in finding and electing a person to office has been, fiscal, usually reduced spending. Point already made, if you are borrowing forty cents for every dollar you spend, you have a spending problem. And pains have been taken to also paint TeaPartiers as social conservatives. So the have these rallies (mobs) with zero arrests chanting cut spending. Then they are asked by the media what their personal views are on abortion, religion, etc…. Is that in any of their platforms? Did any of them campaign on social issues?

    The Clinton’s and Obama’s all went to church, but were never asked if their religious beliefs would guide them while in office. Why not? And the TeaParty might be the far right, but what about the far left? The TeaParty says no tax increases. The uberLiberals say the rich must be taxed more. Is that not equally extreme? Boehner and Reid had agreed to a deal weeks ago where there would be 800 billion in increased revenue tied to raising the debt ceiling. Boehner had already laid down new taxes would not pass the house. Instead of shaking hands and drawing up the papers, the most liberal member of the 2007 senate added a 400 billion tax increase to the deal. Boehner accused him of moving the goal post. So with all the names thrown at TeaPartiers, I recall when the BlueDogs were a force in the Democratic party, and I remember reading about liberals have taken over. This debate has not been about about deficit reduction or revenue. The progressives are continuing to wage their class war, and with the MSM controlling the coverage, seem to be winning.

    • Buck the Wala says:

      “The uberLiberals say the rich must be taxed more. Is that not equally extreme?”

      Based on numerous polls which show the majority of the country agrees the Bush tax cuts should be allowed to expire as applied to the wealthy, I would argue that no, this is not an extreme position.

      • Buck,

        Is it about revenue or ” a steadfast refusal to push some of the burden on the wealthiest.”

        Regan showed reducing taxes increased revenue. The economy “grew” by 0.04% last quarter. Reducing taxes will increase jobs which will increase revenue. Point to you, Regan also increased spending and the deficit, so lets not do what doesn’t work again. Reduce spending and reduce taxes and the nation will prosper. And considering we have spent over 90 million studying prostitutes in China, I think we can afford some cuts. Add to that, Obama keeps talking about using a scalpel. Why hasn’t he? Maybe if he had instead of all the golf and campaigning we would not be so divided.

        • I keep wondering to myself why the tax rates can’t return to what they were under Reagan? Not being really economically savvy (thought that book is on its way that you recommended BF – I’ll be working on being better educated soon), it seems to me I recall that generally the economic life in the country was better – or at least perceived to be more prosperous – then. So why not return to those rates?

          The country obviously survived Reagan-era rates. The fight shouldn’t be on whether we return to those rates by letting the Bush cuts expire, but how to properly use the added revenues that result in returning to that rate.

          Just thinking out loud…………..

          • but how to properly use the added revenues that result in returning to that rate

            Good point, Plainly. Considering Reagan raised the debt ceiling 199% while in office, I don’t see why anyone would take issue with returning to those rates. Once there, yes, cut out the fraud (which is plentiful) but unless we make it clear that pols and the lobbyists who control them will do time for defrauding the public, it won’t make a difference and there’s no way this gov’t (either party) will go along with playing by those rules.

            • there’s no way this gov’t (either party) will go along with playing by those rules.

              Yep, likely the truth Charlie. Maybe we could institute a “People’s Court” for politicians with only a single penalty for findings of guilt? 😉

              The system – as we both agree – is rigged. There was never any doubt some damn deal wouldn’t be struck. It’s not a matter of spending more money, it’s whether it’s done in the Repub way versus the Dem way.

  19. Bottom Line says:

    ALL rulers suck.

  20. Some interesting thoughts on the wealthy, the tea party, and taxes.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-k-lifton/why-americas-rich-should-_b_914524.html

    • Todd

      Interestingly misguided and erroneous.

      The deficit and debt have not adversely affected stock or bond prices, for starters.

      The arguments supporting the authors claims are speculation and not founded in real facts, nor the reality of economics. It is mostly just the same old left wing “rationalization” for Govt theft.

      When the top marginal rates were very high the rich worked harder all right. At getting tax deductions passed. The “effective tax rate” for the top brackets has not changed significantly since the 1930’s. It moves back and forth between 20 and 30%.

      The Rich have the option to pay more taxes. I assure you I will not oppose a single one of them paying more if they choose.

      • JAC,
        You seem to think the debt/deficit is one of the biggest issues facing America. Wouldn’t those with the most to lose (financially speaking) want to resolve that issue?

        • Todd

          You seem to think the debt/deficit is one of the biggest issues facing America. Wouldn’t those with the most to lose (financially speaking) want to resolve that issue?

          Not one bit.

          The ones who see a major crisis coming due to the debt are NOT the same ones who benefit from going into debt. The latter – welfare people – do not know or understand where their money comes from nor do they care – and hence, the problem.

          Politic Choice Doctrine dictates that it these latter people who the Politicians will cater to because to cut NOW will cause pain NOW on a select minority who will be incredibly vocal and political active NOW to stop the cuts. Thus Politicians will completely ignore the former who say SOON it will be a CRISIS.

          It is the inherent conflict between short and long time preference points of view, and most people are short-term thinkers.

  21. So, is this one of the “misguided folks” in the Tea Party, or mainstream Tea Party?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/01/kim-simac-tea-party-candi_n_914897.html

    • Todd

      Why do you think this lady is misguided?

      • JAC,
        It was a question in reference to USWeapon’s comments that only a few of the Tea Party are “misguided folks”.

        Just trying to determine the definition of “misguided”.

    • I’ve heard Kim speak a couple times – long before these recall elections and her candidacy. I’d vote for her. Was up in that area over the last week and if lawn signs mean anything, it looks like she has a lot of fans. Good for her!

  22. USWeapon,

    “These Tea Party people are ruining the country. They are roadblocking getting a bill passed by refusing to agree with either party. Our economy is going to go into the shitter all because of them!”

    Ok, the Tea Party didn’t create this mess, but their approach is not going to help fix the mess.

    Let’s look at this another way. The Republicans and Democrats hold a 377 – 56 majority over the Tea Party. How on earth can you hold a group that is outnumbered seven to one in the House responsible for roadblocking a bill or ruining the country?

    The Tea Party wields power because the GOP needs 30 of their votes to pass anything – or 30 Dems.

    They’re similar to the Blue-Dog Dems. Many times the Dems have had to change legislation to get their votes.

    Wouldn’t you lay at least a little bit of the blame at the feet of the remaining 186 Republicans and 193 Democrats who absolutely refuse to compromise on anything at all.

    Yes of course. But the Dems have pretty much compromised on everything and the GOP very little.

    If those two groups of ass clowns got together and created a bill, the Tea Party caucus would be rendered mute!

    No, because the Tea Party has threatened primary challengers to any Reps who do not follow their ideology – including Speaker Boehner.

    The Democrats, seeing a new enemy of the GOP, didn’t embrace the Tea Party and attempt to align with them. Instead they also denounced the Tea Party. Suddenly the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy. Why would this be? I will tell you why…

    You’re surprised the Democrats didn’t align with the “part of the GOP” that is farther to the right???

    Are you also surprised the GOP hasn’t aligned with the Communist members of the Democrat Party??? Well, I guess that would be all the Dems – right? 🙂

    Come on, the Tea Party would have laughed (and you too probably!!) if the Democrats had tried to align with them.

    The one downside that I personally see to the Tea Party is that they are a group that identifies themselves as a majority socially conservative.

    Doesn’t this contradict their first fundamental idea? Isn’t this part of their “interpretation”?

    (I am sure they are one step away from landing with veterans on Napolitano’s most dangerous list)

    Actually, they’re already on the “Top Secret” version we got at the last WALNUT meeting. 😉

    Despite their push for smaller government, a majority of Tea Party members favor Social Security and Medicare as government expenditures that they believe “are worth the cost.”

    Of course, because any politician against these is DOA. And they will benefit from these.
    Lets just get rid of those pesky social programs that help others…

    after the catastrophes of Bush and Obama, do you really think that a Tea Party candidate would be all that bad?

    YES. It would be like Bush HEAVY! Don’t need that! 😉

    • Terry Evans says:

      NO…nowhere near Bush heavy. Bush spent too much, we need fiscal responsibility to get the country back on a track to prosperity…current regime is Bush heavy.

    • I sure hope they primary Boehner! This country cannot survive with the likes of him in Washington.

  23. On a sad note – we had a bummer Sunday afternoon. My wife and I and 5 college kids pulled a 58 year old man out of our lake. He had fallen out of his fishing boat. He didn’t have a pulse and wasn’t breathing. He didn’t respond to CPR. Considering where we live the response was pretty amazing. 30+ people here in 15 minutes – First Responders, Volunteer Fire Rescue, Sheriff Deputies from two counties, DNR, EMS, Flight For Life Helicopter.

    He didn’t survive. He lived about an hour away and had rented a boat at a camp ground on the lake.

    His family picked up his car today and stopped at our house. Very nice people. It was hard talking to them, but it was good for everyone. The preliminary report listed “cardiac issues,” so he probably had a heart attack before he fell out of the boat.

    I have to tell you, the 5 college kids were amazing. We didn’t know them and they didn’t know the man. The rescue didn’t exactly go “smoothly” (with the man on the front of their boat, and two doing CPR, the boat nose-dived and submerged!). But they were all strong swimmers and they never quite. They kept his head above water and that boat moving until we got back to them to pull them to our dock.

    Kids like that make me think our country has a future…

    • Wow, scary! Sorry for the guy but good job all! Bet you won’t ever forget that day.

      • Anita,
        Yeah it was scary. Everything just seemed to happen in s-l-o-w m-o-t-i-o-n… We couldn’t get to him fast enough, and then get him in the boat fast enough, and then to shore, and then watching that small boat nose dive…it was gut wrenching…

        My wife heard him call for help several times and we ran down to the dock. We could see him next to the boat but he didn’t respond to our calls. So he probably had a heart attack and fell out of the boat or fell out and then had a heart attack. Either way he went pretty fast.

        His family was comforted to know that, and that so many people tried to help him.

        RIP Terry.

  24. So… I have heard the Tea Party called everything from Nazis to Terrorists and everything inbetween by the mainstream media AND our supposedly unbiased elected officials in D.C. that want nothing but to do the will of their constituents. (Roll my eyes)

    The little old church lady that lives down the street from me is a member of the Tea Party. (Taxed Enough Already)
    The police officer that lives down the street from me is a member of the Tea Party.
    The High School principal is a member of the Tea Party.
    Hard working middle class folks that live all around me are members of the Tea Party!
    The media in America is nothing but a propoganda mouthpiece for the elitist nutjobs that for some unknown reason to me, seem to want to tear apart the very fabric that allowed this nation to become the greatest place on Earth!
    Do any of you SUFA’ites ever stop and wonder what in the hell is going on?

    • Esom Nation says:

      I, for one, do not wonder what is going on TC. I damn well know what’s going on. We’re being shoved down the toilet by our government. And there ain’t no sign of it stopping either. DESPITE the Tea Parties.

  25. Orwellian moment here peeps.
    US is supporting Libyas rebels which are reported to be linked to the ……drum roll….Taliban!
    Egypts Mubarak ousted and being replaced by supporters of the Muslim brotherhood?
    Well it seems as if Eastasia is no longer the enemy! It must now be Eurasia!

    The U.S. Is Indirectly Funneling Money To The Taliban Under A $2.16 Billion Contract!

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-funneling-money-to-the-taliban-2011-7#ixzz1TrcLrc9Y

  26. I have come to the conclusion from the study of Progressive Liberalism that its followers believe themselves united in a form of political/religious idealogy which I have identified as “Batshit-Crazyism”. Beware of this cults fanatic followers as they have totally lost their critical thinking abilities and should be considered armed and dangerous.

    • Buck the Wala says:

      Armed and dangerous? You know full well that us crazy Ledford don’t believe in guns. 🙂

    • Texaschem,
      So… you don’t like it when the Tea Party is called everything from Nazis to Terrorists and everything inbetween?

      But you feel “Batshit-Crazyism” is an accurate and appropriate label?

      • Yes Todd I do.
        The policies of the left have no basis in fact. They are illogical, emotional responses brought about by their belief systems.

        • Texaschem,

          The policies of the left RIGHT have no basis in fact. They are illogical, emotional responses brought about by their belief systems IDEOLOGY. 😉

  27. Common Man says:

    Hi All, and yes I am still alive and kicking, however work is trying real hard to kick me. Won’t let it! Family good, life good, but need a vacation.

    Just some quick thoughts as I glanced through some posts.

    The Government does not generate revenue! It taxes people! It cannot generate revenue since it does not produce anything of value and certainly nothing sane people want to buy! Obama calling taxiation revenue is another play on words. The government is suppose to be a Non-profit organization and obama changing taxes to revenue is another small twist to condition the thoughts and minds of the sheeple.

    Stop subconsiously conditioning youselves buy parroting his words. If you work, own a business, sell products people want, grow corn and sell it, repair household appliances, etc, etc you generate revenue, BUT THE GOVERNMENT TAXES, PERIOD!!!!!!

    It is another mind game and play on words to change how people talk and think. The stimulus was set up to create jobs, but the only jobs that government can create are government jobs, and the salaries of those jobs are paid by taxes not revenue. The government bailed out Wall Street and GM to save jobs and ensure stability in the economy. The government cannot stablize anything unless it gets it’s grimy hands out of it. And it bailed out Wall Street and GM and the banks with TAXES not revenue.

    Hope everyone is well, enjoying the summer and spending as much time as they can with the families.

    God Bless

    CM

    • CM

      Nice to see you are doing well.

      As usual, you are correct.

      Best to you and yours.
      JAC

      • Common Man says:

        Back at you JAC. Just wished I had more time to ponder life and respond on SUFA. Maybe by Fall, but then it will be Deer season and I must do my best to control the out-of-control population.

        CM

    • Common Man,
      I don’t think Obama was the first to use the term “revenue” when referring to taxes collected by government.

      Or did Obama create the IRS?

      • Common Man says:

        Todd;

        It realy doesn’t matter who used the term, it is all a mind game designed to change the way the people think about what the government is doing. If they can get you to think as they do then getting you to conform is just around the corner

        CM

  28. Terry Evans says:

    I see the Lame Stream media is now comparing/calling the Tea Party Terrorists…I also saw that Bernie Goldberg brought up a pretty funny point…These Jokers don’t even refer to true terrorists as terrorists, but do not hesitate to call the folks aligned with the Tea Party terrorists.

    • Saw that on O’Reilly too. Not just the media..the VP too! Ridiculous

      • Terry Evans says:

        Oh yea…forgot him…wishful thinking…

      • Buck the Wala says:

        From my reading of what happened, the VP never said the Tea Partiers are terrorists. It was certain Congressmen in a meeting with the VP.

        • Terry Evans says:

          I read…”A senior Democratic official told Fox News that Biden made such comments in reaction to a heated conversation with liberal House members like Rep. Mike Doyle, D-Pa., who were venting that Republicans got too much out of the debt ceiling deal unveiled the night before and “acted like terrorists.”

          It would not surprise me either way…

  29. Ray Hawkins says:

    Anyone else questioning this mandatory birth control thingy? Much ado about nothing or way too overreaching?

    • Terry Evans says:

      I read it…it is a bit disturbing that the current regime is mandating that this is considered part of a “well woman” physical and do not allow even for copays to be administered, thus raising everyone elses premium.

    • Buck the Wala says:

      Unsurprisingly I have no problem with this.

    • Ray

      Overreach in my view. Although what has been missing is whether this is ALL insurance policies or only those under Govt employment programs. The latter would not be an over reach, given authorities, but the former is clearly an over reach.

      One report said this authority was granted by the Obama Care legislation. Makes you wonder how much more is hidden in that bill.

  30. Terry Evans says:

    It was very encouraging to see Gabrielle Giffords back to work yesterday…a very strong woman. It appeared to me that she was a bit embarrassed of the attention she was receiving. For me, the only uplifting thing of the debt ceiling being raised.

  31. Terry Evans says:

    For all you lefties screaming that there needs to be more regulations…more government.

    http://wusa9.com/news/article/161065/158/Woodpecker-Saving-Daughter-Costs-Mom-500

  32. Congress is going to cop out and pass it. Too bad. I want to call their bluff…..this world will not stop and the market will not crash and everyone will still get their checks…..but I wont get to see it. Cowards.

  33. The debt ceiling deal will pass the Senate early this afternoon. No suspense there. But the vote will be worth watching for another reason: Three Republican Senate sources tell TWS that senators who vote against the deal will be ineligible to serve on the so-called “supercommittee” for deficit reduction that the legislation creates.
    Marco Rubio by Gage Skidmore

    While there’s certain logic to such a policy, it could be self-defeating. Excluding those who vote against the debt deal will ensure that some of the most fiscally conservative members of the Senate Republican caucus, including most of its freshmen, will be reading about the committee’s activities in the newspaper rather than guiding its decisions. Among those who have already declared their opposition to the deal: libertarian-leaning senators Mike Lee and Rand Paul; Jim DeMint, the aggressive fiscal hawk from South Carolina; conservative reformers Ron Johnson from Wisconsin and Pat Toomey from Pennsylvania; the ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee, Jeff Sessions; and Florida’s Marco Rubio, already one of the highest-profile conservatives in Congress.

    More worrisome for conservatives, however, is that private whip counts in the Senate found that some 20 Republicans expressed support for the proposals that came out of the Gang of Six. And while many of the components of that plan have merit as individual policy proposals, the package involves compromises on taxes anathema to most conservatives. Picking a Gang of Six member – or supporter – would further antagonize conservatives skeptical of the debt ceiling deal.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fiscal-conservatives-barred-supercommittee_581921.html

  34. Oh those powerful Tea Party folks. They sure got Obama and the Dems to agree to “deep cuts”.

  35. 😯 GOLD 1650

    • No shock, really.

      As I said when you were worried about it falling – the fundamentals have not changed – if anything, they have become even more cemented; that is;
      the debt will go up and never down;
      it will go up faster and faster than ever before;
      it will never be repaid.

      Just listen to ol’ Black Flag …. he knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men.

  36. On the topic of the Tea Party…………………. I second the motion:

    (from American Thinker)

    Does This Deficit Make Me Look Fat?
    By Carol Peracchio

    It’s the question that strikes terror into the heart of every new husband. His wife emerges from the bedroom and asks, “Does this dress make me look fat?”

    Happily married men will tell the newbie husband this is not the time for honesty. Repeat the following phrase and commit it to memory: “You look great, honey.” Then shut up. Don’t go overboard and tell her she could be mistaken for a supermodel. She wants reassurance, but not outright baloney.

    We humans can go for years believing we’re plump, or chubby, or maybe could stand to lose a few. Then one day it happens. The evidence that we are actually fat smacks us right in the face. Sometimes it’s an unfortunate photograph snapped from behind. Other times it’s the truth straight from the lips of a preschooler, such as the time my son came running out of Library Story Hour and yelled, “Mommy! We have a new story lady and boy is she fat!”

    Our capacity for self-delusion can be boundless. Deep down, we realize that we’re kidding ourselves, and everyone we know realizes that we’re kidding ourselves. But they all have their little fairy tales, too. It’s a tacit agreement: “I won’t tell you that dress is hideous if you won’t tell me my haircut is ghastly.”

    Little white lies, spoken so feelings won’t be hurt, are one of the foundations of a civil society. We baby-boomers ran around during the sixties and seventies blathering that the problem with everyone over 30 was that they just weren’t honest. Now those same boomers say patently dishonest things like “Fifty is the new thirty!” Give me a break.

    So after years of being literally fat, dumb, and happy, the unthinkable happens. A new neighbor or coworker says, “It’s nice to meet you! When’s the baby due?”

    And you’re not pregnant.

    When people are faced with truth long denied, they can do one of two things: accept it and work to change the situation, or shoot the messenger.

    In January 2011, the Tea Party came to Washington in the form of a Republican House of Representatives. They immediately started telling the truth:

    * America is drowning in debt.
    * The deficit is unsustainable.
    * Medicare is broke.
    * There is no Social Security trust fund.
    * The Obama stimulus was a trillion-dollar failure.
    * ObamaCare is a job-killing nightmare.

    It’s like the freshmen congressmen told the ruling-class elites, “You’re fat!” The response from the president and his party was predictable and boring: the Tea Party wants to take away your health care and kill your grandmother, blah, blah, blah.

    What was surprising was the vehement negativity from the Republican establishment. Inside-the-Beltway conservative royalty flocked to friendly radio and TV shows and tut-tutted their disapproval. Mind you, they weren’t bothered over fourteen freaking trillion dollars of debt. Oh, no, it was the Tea Party Freshmen who upset their sensibilities! Bill Kristol, discussing the intransigence of the House freshmen in refusing to vote with Speaker Boehner, actually looked as if the Fox studio was filled with a bad odor. I wouldn’t have been surprised if he’d lifted a pomander to his nose.

    The Tea Party broke the rules. For decades, the elites of both parties have contentedly lied to themselves and each other.

    “We’re not fat — maybe a little puffy, but closing a few tax loopholes will take care of that.” “Here, Senator, take a little more social spending. I know how much you love it.” “Please, Congressman, help yourself to all the corporate welfare you want. It’s your favorite!” “Fat? Not at all! That budget is absolutely divine!”

    Meanwhile, the debt got bigger and bigger. Up ’til now, Congress has been the morbidly obese airline passenger who keeps asking for more and more seat belt extenders. The 2011 Tea Party is the flight attendant who looks at the passenger and tells him the unvarnished truth: “You cannot fit in that seat.” Washington, and those whose livelihood depends on the status quo, are furious. How dare they tell me the truth? When are these people going to learn how things are done around here?

    When I look at a Tea Party congressman like Jim Jordan, I think of that great statesman, Simon Cowell. Simon was the American Idol judge whom everyone loved to hate. When faced with a truly terrible singer during auditions for the television talent show, Simon would actually say things such as “That was atrocious! What in the world made you think you could sing?” To which the hapless auditioner would invariably reply, “My family says I’m a great singer!”

    While the other judges would try to let the kid down easy, Simon would look him square in the eye and inform him that his family had lied to him his whole life, and it was time for him to face the fact that he couldn’t sing. It was harsh and uncomfortable to watch. But millions of Americans loved it. We loved watching someone unapologetically telling the unvarnished truth. And we hunger for someone to speak the same unvarnished truth in Washington, D.C.

    Please, Tea Party congressmen, keep telling the truth. Those who’ve lied to themselves and each other for decades are going to scream and attack. But America will cheer. Honestly!

    Carol Peracchio is a registered nurse.

  37. I disagree – Americans do not hear the truth.

    They believe there is a way for Feds to solve the debt.
    They knew the last week was nothing but theater.
    They knew the House would voted overwhelmingly for a compromise bill.

    But Congress cannot work out is the debt crisis. It really is a crisis, but right now, it is not seen as a crisis by voters. So, it is not yet a political crisis.

    The magnitude of the debt ceiling settlement points to the politically inescapable nature of the impasse.
    The voters believe that the impasse is political, in the sense of partisan – Left Wing vs Right Wing bantering.

    But the voters are terribly wrong.

    The issue is fundamental.

    It is political in the sense of the rival demands by the same voters.

    The voters all want the bankrupting welfare programs: Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
    Republican voters also demand a large defense budget, and a majority of Democrats in Washington always vote with the Republicans on this.
    But the voters do not want to pay for all of this with taxes.

    This leaves only debt and inflation to pay for it.

    The impasse has to do with voters’ expectations.

    The politicians have made promises that cannot be met: stable prices, Medicare benefits, and a solvent government. This is true throughout the world and the bills are now coming due.

    The voters demand that the promises be fulfilled by the government at pain-free tax rates. This cannot be done if Treasury interest rates rise. Ultimately, it cannot be done even at low rates. Social Security and Medicare are both in negative cash flow conditions.

    The voters think deals can be worked out to deliver on the promises at low prices. They are ignorant to understand it cannot – unless you print money out of thing air. But even then, eventually, reality will set in. Then the real politics will begin. The battle will be for who is the big loser.

    …and the big loser maybe everyone….

    The ease of the weekend resolution of the debt ceiling “crisis” will confirm to the voters that the politicians will find a way out, like they always seem to do.

    They do not see that it has never been a solution, but merely delay tactics – but the People are too ignorant to know the difference.

    This misunderstanding will lead most Americans to make very bad investment decisions and retirement decisions and planning decisions.

    But may not you.

    Be prepared.

  38. Buck and all. Here’s a good discussion of the FAA shutdown. A list of facts is in the comment section. Good ol’ Harry Reid!

    http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/08/02/harry-reid-admits-hes-a-terrorist-hijacker-of-faa-funding/

    • Buck the Wala says:

      Do some more reading up on the issue. It was actually (surprise, surprise) the GOP who forced this fight into September. Nominally the issue is over these subsidies and funding, but behind the scenes the fight is over union rules. The GOP wanted to impose a rule whereby the absence of a vote is automatically counted as a no vote; the Dems will not allow this to happen, arguing that this should be treated as any vote – only count actual votes cast (at least at the moment, we all know how often the Dems like to cave on their issues). So the FAA was shutdown.

      From my understanding the Dems had approached the GOP willing to approve of this funding issue (regarding the small airports) in a quick and clean bill that leaves out the union issue. The GOP refused, instead opting to go home until September. Costing the government millions in lost revenue (YES, TAXES) in the process.

      So who exactly is the terrorist now? 🙂

      • For all I know you’re right. I didn’t take a side the other day. I just thought of you when I read RS But since you made me go searching I came up with this tidbit which I’m sure BF will like:

        Let’s be honest with the folks here. This is really all about
        intervening against an NLRB ruling that granted to airline employees a
        level playing field in determining by vote whether or not they want to
        unionize. Before that NLRB ruling, uncast ballots counted as “no”
        votes. After that ruling, only ballots cast are counted. That’s called
        “democracy,” so why don’t you explain to everyone here why democracy is
        okay when you’re running for reelection, but is somehow evil when it’s
        applied to a union vote
        If those who choose not to exercise their right to vote during elections
        were counted as “no” votes, you and the vast majority of your
        colleagues wouldn’t be in office right now, and upwards of 90,000
        child-raising, mortgage-paying Americans wouldn’t have been thrown out
        of work at the stroke of midnight last Friday.

        Now if you don’t quit saying tax is revenue..we’re gonna have a throwdown. Buck the Wala is a terrorist! 🙂

  39. Another hijack from RedState in honor of Black Flag.. This is a reply to the poster who is bidding farewell do to a health issue. Charlie look the other way for a minute.

    LineHolder Would Seem To Be A Member of The Remnant
    Ausonius Monday, August 1st at 11:17PM EDT (link)
    Philosopher Albert Jay Nock wrote an essay 70 + years ago called “Isaiah’s Job” wherein he talks about a group whom he called The Remnant.

    The Remnant are those who keep on fighting after the majority has caused a societal collapse through sloth or stupidity or both. The Remnant forms the basis for a rise of society in the future: they preserve the best and keep it alive, if only among other members of The Remnant.

    To quote Nock directly:

    “In any given society the Remnant are always so largely an unknown quantity. … Two things you do know, and no more: First, that they exist; second, that they will find you. Except for these two certainties, working for the Remnant means working in impenetrable darkness; and this, I should say, is just the condition calculated most effectively to pique the interest of any prophet who is properly gifted with the imagination, insight and intellectual curiosity necessary to a successful pursuit of his trade.”

    Best Wishes

  40. Wow! Just wow!

    John Kerry: Media Has “Responsibility” To “Not Give Equal Time” To Tea Party

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/05/john_kerry_media_has_responsibility_to_not_give_equal_time_to_tea_party.html

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