Let it bleed

I offended some conservatives on facebook.  (bad Illusion, no biscuit!)  I threw out there some thoughts I was having on not voting.  Most of us at SUFA are honest.  We may not agree but no one is afraid to lay it out there and take the comments that may come.  It’s different on facebook.  There are some thinkers there and some show me things I have missed.  But most of them seem to post a lot, a lot of the same stuff….noise.

The one comment that got me thinking was the supreme court nominations.  I think it is possible we could go thru another GREAT DEPRESSION.  It might be the first one wasn’t that great after all.  Or compare WW1 to WW2?  The taller you are, the harder you fall!  With all major governments devaluing their currencies at record levels and trading in derivatives on top of that.  There is 20X more derivatives held or being traded than ALL the worlds money supply!  We could fall hard and long.  The question I ponder is if it’s better to take the fall now, or let it be built even higher?  This is where Black Flag and several others have made a strong case.  It doesn’t matter if a Dem or Repug win’s since they both do the same thing, spend more than we have.  Create fiat money and then allow international banks to create their own fiat currency they can buy and sell for US, UK, Euro or any other fiat currency.  The only noticeable difference in the last presidents is if they would screw an intern in the Oval office, both were equal when it came to screwing us, Joe Public.

Is it better for America to take the big fall now, in the next few year?

Or is it better to delay the fall in the hope that it will hurt less, that it can be “softened”?

I don’t see how anybody can honestly think Obama will do a better job with the economy.  He has promised spending cuts and deficit reduction.  His cuts seem to be based on a budget year that includes Bushes TARP plus his and Pelosi’s Spendulous.  So he can truthfully proclaim he’s cut spending from what, 1.6 trillion to 1.4 ?  All deficit reduction is planned for the next POTUS to inherit.  Romney on the other hand has a proven track record of understanding what red and black means on a balance sheet even without the Repug’s budget superstar, Paul Ryan.  Hands down, they have a plan that will reduce spending and is likely to improve the economy.  Important point, they do not plan on creating jobs.  They plan to provide the a low tax government that has historically resulted in more job creation.  More jobs =more revenue and reduced government burdens.  Working people don’t need food stamps!   So lets assume Romney/Ryan win and deliver another Regan economic boom.

What if, in the long run, it’s a bad thing for America?  You hear all the liberals and MSM talking heads react to Ryan’s budget proposals as if they are death sentences for millions of poor people.  First lets remember Romney will get to write the budget.  I would bet on a watered down version of Ryan’s proposals.  And to be clear, I found Ryan’s proposals to be too mild.  They are just a movement back to the Bush-era budgets and spending.  Yes we can live and even prosper under that type of taxation and spending.  The problem I see is we are too prosperous.  The TeaParty and most of America will return to being TV zombies, more interested in American Idol than in America.  And our freedoms will continue to be taken, just slower than under liberal progressives.

A friend told me a story about one time their chickens stopped producing the normal number of eggs.  They all seemed healthy, eating well, doing normal chicken things.  So my friend investigated and found a hole behind the nests.  Shining a light in revealed two eyes staring back at him, a chicken snake!  The snake would crawl out each night , moving so slowly, the chickens paid it no mind.  It didn’t seem to be a threat to them, so they ignored it while it ate its fill of their eggs each night.  The Democrats have been acting like a pack of coyotes’ lately.  Make no mistake, they are despicable.  But don’t for a minute think the Republicans are anything less than chicken snakes.

Some say voting for Gary Johnson or any third-party candidate is throwing your vote away.  The best you could hope to achieve is spoil someone’s win.  The Dem’s want as many conservatives as possible to vote Libertarian.  The Repug’s would love the Green Party to steal a few liberals away.  As is, I don’t see any third-party having much impact, the popular support is just not there.  I think Ron Paul could have had the impact, or Donald Trump.  All the others have been marginalized by the media, leaving them unknown to the masses.  The Green Party got themselves arrested outside one debate.  Who noticed?  The media decides when a story is to be reported, be it Joe the Plumber or Trevon Martin.

Going back to those depressing thoughts, lets consider some things.  A depression is very likely.  So what happens if Romney is in office or if it’s Obama?  FDR made major changes to the SCOTUS to stack the court with justices that would say his illegal acts were legal.  With all the illegal actions Obama has taken, imagine if he acted with full support of the court?  In a full depression, who would question the need for the government to take over some businesses?  He’s already done so with GM & Chrysler, so it’s now established and acceptable.  And during the take-over, he kept the unions & their pension structure, even thought that is a primary cause of their inability to compete with other auto makers.  I would expect the banks & financial institutions would be first to be nationalized.  Won’t that be great? Your bank will operate just like the DMV!

Another thought, stop thinking only about yourself!  There is a world outside America.  The events there impact us no matter what out intentions or wishes.  More important for my point, we impact them.  Call Obama’s presidency a prolonged recession, it has caused/contributed to hardship worldwide.  Greece & Spain might be much better off if the US economy was not depressed.  The “Arab Spring” might not have occurred were it not for the spikes in food prices, the ethanol mandate being a significant factor.

To be clear, I think when the largest world economy is stagnant or in decline, it contributes, not causes other economies to suffer.  Most of that I see as the choices they make.  Greece, Spain and much of Europe display a true “Old World” outlook, as if the whole country is retired & expecting to live off their pension.  Others such as China & Russia see this as an opportunity and are actively trying to take advantage of America’s decline.  And like the first great depression, all this creates situations that make war more likely.   When a government is looking to fall and see’s no other options, does anyone expect to see a peaceful exchange of power?  Iran especially is on the brink due to the long practiced economic war being waged against them called sanctions.  The Middle East is a powder keg.  We appear to be meddling in Syria, opposing Russia.  Israel could be facing Egypt and/or Iran.  China is confronting US protectorates for desired resources.  All this has escalated under Obama.  Is there any reason to expect a reversal in his second term?  And to be fair, it’s possible Romney could do worse.  I don’t see how, but it’s possible.  I think a strong President would be compared to Regan and would be more likely to keep China content to attack by economical means, not militarily.  The ME also is more likely to be less active against US interest under Romney.  Was the Great Depression a factor in WW2?  Would the continued economic policies of Obama make world conflict more likely?  Like the weather, it’s impossible for anyone to make such predictions.

So to vote or not to vote?  Not voting or voting for the progressives is to court another FDR.  We might as well burn the constitution and call ourselves Amerika!  What happens if you don’t vote?  Obama, Pelosi & Reid continue wielding power.  Maybe soon after this we have our Great Depression(maybe not).  But even after the depression cycle, even if it includes war, does that change the basic structure of our nation?  We will still be America and still have some sort of democratic republic.  If you want to change that, you will have to change it from inside the system, acting within the law.  It’s taken progressivism nearly one hundred years to make us an entitlement nation, with the information age, how long will it take for their agenda to be undone?  They want you to stand aside, to stand down, to think your vote doesn’t count while they seek to energize their base.  Did anyone ever win by surrendering?



  1. gmanfortruth says:


    • Been in the woods some lately, only seeing doe’s & yearlings…Still just a little early here.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        THe weather has us indoors till “Frankenstorm” heads out. Then, we should be in the rut and the fun really begins. In a few weeks, it’s bear season! Then deer (rifle) again 🙂

        • GMAN/LOI:

          Got a new 10-point Crossbow at the end of last years season. First Crossbow I have ever used. Prior to selecting the 10-point I shot a number of other brand names and although they all shot well I picked the 10 point because of feel and I got a great deal. I spent the summer shooting it as often as I could, but never much more than 20 yards. Where I hunt that is about the longest shot you get given the woods, tangles, etc we deal with in SE Michigan.

          Had a shot at a nice Doe this past Saturday that was 27 yards out. I know, I checked with the range finder prior to her showing up. I missed clean. Arrow went over the top. I used the 30 yard crosshair aiming right for the heart and watched the arrow sail over her back.

          BTW: Biggest disadvantage with Crossbows – no follow up shots!. Spent the next moring doing two things; 1) Looking for the bolt (They are not cheap) 2) shooting at various distances. Turns out that even though it comes from the factory sited in at 20, 30, & 40 yards the 20 yard crosshair is good out to 37 yards. The 40 yard crosshair is good out to 51 yards. And the darn thing is so accurate I even split an arrow at 35 yards.

          Just goes to show you practice, practice, practice.

          We have seen a number of Doe’s and a few 4, 5 and 6 points, but no big boys yet. Weather had turned cold and most of the leaves are gone. Some signs of the rut, but not many; just some rubs and a few early scrapes. Next two weeks will be key.

          Hope you all fare well this season and put backstraps in the freezer. With the price of meat rising, venison is a smart alternative.

          Maybe in the next week or two I will suggest to USW a post so that all of us can swap recipies for wild game. My wife and I have a few that are real lip smackers.


          • gmanfortruth says:

            Love the recipe idea 🙂 You are right, practice is invaluable. We have hung 3 doe so far, the rut should get rolling soon. Everything is on hold till this storm goes away. It seems the predictions keep getting worse. We are prepared for a lengthy period with no power. I can start a new article on my blog for recipes if you or anyone else is interested 🙂

  2. Democrat John Kennedy talked tough about US security in the 1960 election campaign, but his first months in office were a foreign policy disaster. In April 1961 he presided over the calamitous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. Two months later, he met Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev in a disastrous two-day summit in Vienna.

    “”He just beat the hell out of me.,” Kennedy later confided, calling the summit the roughest days of his life.

    Khrushchev came away believing JFK was a young wimp, a push-over, and he decided to build the Berlin Wall and install nuclear missiles in Cuba. Kennedy had to take the world to the brink of war in the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 to correct the Communist leader’s mistaken impression.

    Along the way, Kennedy openly admitted that he bore the blame for his own performance at the Vienna summit and for not being on top of the details at the Bay of Pigs operation, even though the Cuban invasion was planned in the last months of the Eisenhower Administration. Yet, Kennedy admitted mistakes and corrected them.

    In the final months of the 2012 election campaign foreign policy issues-terror and a phony “Arab Spring”-have arisen as campaign issues.

    President Barack Obama made many judgments about how to fight terror and how to “engage” Arab-Islamic leaders. Obama closed down enhanced interrogation of terrorists, and he tried to close down the Guantanamo base in Cuba. He and Attorney General Eric Holder have taken a largely “law-enforcement” approach to terror.

    Overseas, Obama has tried to engage the ayatollahs in Iran, Assad’s Syria and the neo-Communist regime in Russia, and these polices have been a resounding failure.

    President Obama was more than ready to take credit for killing Osama Bin-Laden, but evaded discussing the details or the larger issues of his approach to the Middle East and to his handling of terror, including fatal attacks from Libya to Fort Hood.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/presidential_decisions_-_right_and_wrong.html#ixzz2AhHWtdx3

  3. LOI;

    My thoughts: If the economy falls into a depression now we might turn things a little quicker, although it would be a serious hardship on most. Lots of foreclosures, individual and business bankruptcy, unemployment would sore and we might even see the infamous soup kitchen lines all the way around city blocks. Those who have set up their lifestyle’s accordingly would probably muddle through, however it would depend upon the length of the depression – multiple years could result in times more desperate than any we have seen. Those that have not would be destitute.

    A War would be almost absolute – Something or someone would trip the lever and war would start – if for no other reason than history does repeat itself. I don’t think it would be WWIII, but then scriptures indicate something along those lines eventually. (Not preaching, just saying WWIII according to scripture is an absolute)

    If the crash is delayed and obama, and his kind, continue to stay in power then it is my belief the recovery and the devistation prior will be horrible for restructuring a Republic. I say that because the younger generations are not only not prepared, but they also lack the intelligence/experience to make the changes required to restore prosperity. Government would take complete control and we would wind up with some form of ism. In short Charlie would win, although I think that even Charlie would have a problem with the end result.

    As for voting – I am voting for and/or against the issues that effect me locally, and for those running locally that I can influence, the rest of it is moot.


    • CM,

      I guess I’m thinking along the lines of FDR having another term to push his progressive agenda, where would the country be afterward. Apply that to Obama & imagine him picking one or two Supreme Court justices that will proclaim it’s legal for him to ignore immigration law or welfare law. A Supreme Court where the Constitution is a historic document, not legal. All immigrants will be welcome, enticed with offers of free housing, food and healthcare. The result is we become a third world socialist nation that claims to be a democracy.

      • LOI;

        It will be some kind of ism….certainly not a Republic. I am not so concerned for myself, it is the children and grand children that will bear the burden.

        If things get really bad I am going into the woods along with a few choice friends and prepare for the “Walkers”. Lead will be a very sought after commodity. Ha, Ha!


    • Kathy;

      SF didn’t beat us, we lost. Even though 3 of our starting 4 pitchers did their jobs we had NO bats. Pitching cannot win if you don’t score runs. Changes need to be made with the coaching staff and the roster. Not swinging at the 1st pitch is dumb and we should never put late season rookies on the starting roster in the playoffs. We also need a second baseman and shortstop. Oh, and the last thing we should do is renegotiate Valverde’s contract – he needs to go.

      I feel bad for Illich, I don’t think he is going to be around for next season.

      Glad I hunt, cause there is nothing in Detroit to cheer for sports wise.


      • Yep, when the big bats get like 3-4 hits the entire series you’re not going to get too far. Sucks!

        I know you’re a little ways out from the 96 corridor CM but watch out getting to your hunting grounds. This shooter is on #24, one guy was struck near Fowlerville Saturday on the way to Comerica Park….a fresh shooting this am too!

        • Anita;

          have not heard anything about this. Is this some kind of nut job just popping shots off random? I don’t go anywhere near Fowlerville, hunting property is Jackson, but have friends over that way


          • Yes, exactly!. Been going on for a few weeks now..but he got a guy right in the booya on Saturday. That’s the first person to be hit but he’s been shooting at random cars. Just saw on the news they have upped the reward to over 100k for info leading to this guy. Son in law travels 96 twice daily..makes me nervous.

  4. Just A Citizen says:

    A depression will not necessarily cure our sickness.

    By definition a depression is simply a sustained period of negative GDP growth, or a drop and then flat line.

    It is the “financial” system that is the biggest sickness. This included Govt fiscal accounts.

    It is entirely possible for the Govt to prop up the financial system while the GDP stagnates or goes negative. That was the GREAT DEPRESSION and is basically what we have now.

    Only if the entire system is allowed to purge itself would a “depression” be cleansing.

    This will NOT happen because Govt’s will FALL if it does. And yes, the Charlie’s of the world could get hold of the STICK.

  5. So here is a little snippet into what is happening here in WI – in my district. My representative for many, many years has been Tammy Baldwin. She has been voted the most liberal House member many times and also happens to be gay, which she often falls back on when criticism is ever sent her way. Her supporters can always call you out that you are anti-gay if you speak against her. Tactic sound familiar?

    One of our longstanding leftist Senators, Herb Kohl, is finally retiring this year and Tammy has thrown her hat into the ring and is running against our former governor (and HHS Sec). Tommy Thompson. We should deliver Tommy to Washington no problem and good riddance to Tammy.

    So up steps Mark Pocan to run for Tammy’s House spot. He has been in the WI Assembly, is a classic Madison lefty/progressive and….is gay. Mark and Tammy were prominently featured at the Dem’s convention for their……sexual preference. Quite an accomplishment to have as a platform, huh?

    Moving forward. Last week, a campaign worker for Chad Lee, the repub running against Pocan, was a victim of an attack at his house. This campaign worker is a gay man, but apparently not the right kind of gay and during the assault, several slurs referencing his “gay uncle tom-ness” were used, along with “you were warned” this would happen. Media was hush, hush and any little articles about it, never even mentioned the sexual aspect. No one has been arrested for the attack. Also, haven’t even heard Pocan’s campaign make a statement yet – they might have, but I’ve not seen it and have been following along.

    Well along comes this. Apparently Pocan’s spouse/partner, Phillip Frank has been involved with some texting back and forth with Kyle Woods (the attacked campaign worker). Warning on some language!


    • Kathy,
      It seems Kyle Woods (the attacked lying GOP campaign worker) has recanted his entire story – the text messages from Phillip Frank and the assault did not occur.

      The only slurs referencing his “gay uncle tom-ness” and “you were warned” where dreamed up by Kyle Woods.
      The “Media was hush, hush” because there was nothing to report.
      No one has been arrested because the attack did not occur.
      Mark Pocan’s campaign has not made a statement, because there’s nothing to comment on.

      All that may change, now that Kyle Woods may be facing charges and lawsuits.

  6. gmanfortruth says:

    Some recent stories/rumors that are storm related. Lots of Tweets on Twitter about looting when the storm hits/passes. That’s expected from Obama supporters 😆

    Rumors about several places in Maryland that have cancelled the election. The talk of cancelled elections are growing. HMMM, a perfect weather prediction about this storm has me wondering, anyone else thinking something fishy is going on?

    • Early voting only. No need to panic G!

      • gmanfortruth says:

        No panic from me Kathy. But remember, never let a crisis……. I think you understand. This is a perfect excuse for Obama, who is down in most of the polls, to hold onto power. We shall see 🙂

  7. Good lord. I’m starting to rethink my position on this whole birth control/abortion thing. The easier we make it available to these leftists, the less of them there will be, the better off our world will be. Hell, they love government intervention, mandate it! Force it on ’em! You must use BC and if one slips by, it will be aborted!


  8. You know I agree with you Illusion. I’ve simply said all I can say on this subject without screaming in frustration. 🙂

    Did find this article and video which I thought was interesting, even if it’s off topic. 🙂

  9. President Romney, please spend your first day in office on a defunding mission. Little things, big things. Please include NPR:


  10. Just A Citizen says:

    This won’t last long so check it out soon.

    The Huff Po lead story has a bunch of photos with it. Scroll along and find the HIDDEN METAPHOR for the Administration.



  11. Need some information. Would appreciate any input you guys can give me. How do Courts normally handle non-compete contracts-if the non-compete party breaks the contract ? How is it enforce?

    • Courts are generally loathe to uphold non-compete clauses — they will look carefully at the scope of the clause (both in terms of length of time and geographic distance covered). If too broad the clause will be struck down.

      • Thanks Buck, But if it is withheld-how in the world do they do it? It seems like it would be very hard to do.

        • If upheld, and violated, damages will be determined (often contracts will include presumed damages as very difficult to measure).

          Hope this helps!

          • Just A Citizen says:


            I think I posted this the other day for you to look at. Not sure you saw it so I’m posting again.

            Written by Rob Natelson on 21 October 2012

            The Obama administration’s “American Jobs Act”—a token measure forgotten by all but a few—is back in the news.

            Just over a year ago, I reported on the constitutional defects of the AJA, a bill clearly designed to force Republicans to vote against it, thereby giving the President political “cover” on his poor handling of the economy. (See here and here.)

            Apparently, the trick has worked. In an editorial endorsing the President for re-election, the Denver Post sought to defect criticism of Obama’s economic performance by blaming Republicans for rejecting the AJA.

            Of course Republicans had to reject it. The AJA was less about jobs than about imposing even more regulations on the economy and providing opportunities for trial lawyers, a key part of the Democratic constituency.

            And, as I mentioned in my post last year, key parts of the bill were unconstitutional, and the courts would have voided them even if (by some miracle) it had passed.

            In Congress, some bills are introduced in hopes that their passage will solve real problems. Other bills are introduced merely to box in political opponents.

            Citizens and journalists need to understand the difference.

            • Nope didn’t see this the other day; Can you post a link to his other post detailing his arguments as to the unconstitutional elements of the bill?

        • VH;

          Just saw this so hope you see my reply. I am not a legal fellow as is Buck, but given my profession have some experience with this. A lot depends upon how broad the agreement is worded, as Buck says, Some company’s detail out specific client’s or industry to make it more rock solid. Some write in that you cannot be employed in a like position with a competitor for a period of time.

          The key is how well the agreement is enforced historically. Company’s cannot pick and chose who they pursue or the courts will side with the defendent. It also can make a difference in what State you work in, as laws differ.

          From my experience most company’s limit their non-compete so that they can increase the chance of it surviving the legal challenge.

          One thing they cannot do (Buck will correct me on this if I am dead wrong) is prevent you from pursuing your livelyhood. Meaning if you have an established profession and have a number of years in that profession corp cannot enslave you.

          One thing to remember is that large companies have lawyers on payroll and a lot more money to spend on court cases and litigation than you do. Something to consider

          I would highly recommend you consult a contract/business lawyer so you know where you stand. Maybe Buck will give you a SUFA discount


    • Just A Citizen says:


      To add to Buck’s comments, I have been instructed by Attorney’s in the past that the court reviews whether the clause places an undo burden on the person’s ability to make a living. Non compete clauses CAN NOT prevent people from working in their field. So the next step will be the geographical area where it applies. You cannot prevent someone who is a programmer from doing program work in the USA for example.

      Buck is right, courts don’t like them so they have to be very focused on the actual competitive edge given the person due to their relationship with the company issuing the clause.

      They also look for evidence of coercion in making the employee sign the clause. Just as with any contract.

      • Buck, JAC,

        This is a little more involved than just a standard non-compete clause. It involves a joint venture agreement between two companies with a non-compete included.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          I think the same general rules would apply. Also depends on the jurisdiction. I understand some are more likely to uphold these agreements than others.

          But joint ventures generally deal with a narrow range of business as opposed to the entire business. So a non compete would be OK for that business they shared if it applies to the area the shared.

          It they did share ALL business then I would expect the court to look at the geographic issue to make sure there was not undo restrictions. Competition is usually viewed in context of existing markets, not potential long term future markets. So two businesses operating jointly in Madison could probably restrict each other in Madison but not in Arizona.

          Caveat………I am NOT an attorney. I just slept in a Holiday Inn Express last month. I have had to deal with a few of these but as I was told, every one of them is different.

          Buck has the actual license here but I don’t think either of us could add much more without details.

          Suffice it to say they are not all iron clad. Nor can they all be escaped.

          • JAC is correct — same general approach would be taken, though believe a court would probably give a bit more latitude given this scenario. At the end of the day though it will still come down to time and geography.

          • Buck and JAC are correct – at the same time!

            Non-compete clauses are legally pointless – but morally important.

            When someone violates them, it is unlikely you will be compensated – but now everyone else also knows what type of guy they are dealing with – the likelihood of the furtherance of his career is significantly lowered.

  12. One other question. Can an individual file Chapter 13 on his personal finances? Supposedly the above person is filing bankruptcy on his company and Chapter 13 on his personal finances to try and protect his self.

    And just an FYI this is not my company, we are only involved do to having information that this man broke this agreement. Actually we have proof he never intended to follow the agreement. Seems to me the guy would go to jail for fraud-but at this point it is going to the bankruptcy courts. I assume at some date we will be called to testify.

  13. I heard on the radio tonight-that Sandy had been declared a cyclone instead of a hurricane-and that making that change could cause some people not to be covered because it wasn’t a numbered storm or some such-Anyone know if this is true??

  14. USWeapon,

    Just catching up:

    I understand that. Not all of the people here support the far right crazies either. I certainly don’t think that I do. I lean far more libertarian than Republican and oppose a lot of the far right positions such as anything to do with the religious aspects, anything opposing gay rights, etc.

    1. I didn’t say it applies to everyone
    2. You’re not really a “regular” poster here anymore 😉
    3. Yes about the religious aspects & gay rights
    4. But your position on Social Darwinism is a little “out there”

  15. ROLL CALL due to extreme weather

    • Here..Very windy, rain & sleet

    • gmanfortruth says:

      No damage or power outage here. Lot’s of rain and wind last night. Still more to come, but not losing power is huge.

    • Sunny & mild. High 60, then 70 later this week.

    • No power here, but other than a few branches on the front lawn, no damage either. Now if only we can get power up sooner than the 7-10 days they were predicting as of yesterday…

      • gmanfortruth says:

        It’s not over yet, at least here. My forecast for today: Rain and strong winds. High 46F. N winds at 20 to 30 mph, increasing to 35 to 50 mph. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch. Winds could occasionally gust over 50 mph.

        Tonight, more of the same, except now they are saying snow. Hopefully Buck, you will get power back soon, stay warm 🙂

        • gmanfortruth says:

          As I write this, it seems as though we are in the “eye” of the storm, no rain, no wind, just eerily calm. Been watching TV and all the destruction. Hope everyone is OK who was in the path.

    • Very cold, dark, 18″ of snow and growing.

      • I hope you’re getting paid tons of money for that gig.

        • The pay is great.
          Free food and board and internet.
          No commute. Live on site.

          Week work, week off; 6 weeks holidays, all “special” holidays – end up working, calculated 4 months total for a year (all together, though it is spread out over the year)….for full (and excellent) pay.

          “Retirement with a paying hobby”

  16. Tomb Sentinels guard the Unknown Soldier during Hurricane Sandy
    Ethel C. Fenig

    Even during the most powerful hurricane, the coldest weather, the record breaking snow, members of the US Armed Forces are always on duty 24/7/365 guarding the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

    Although some of these photos of Tomb Sentinels with bayonets on their rifles were taken during a powerful storm in September, others were taken during Hurricane Sandy. They demonstrate the Sentinel’s creed which in part says:

    “Through the years of diligence and praise and the discomfort of the elements, I will walk my tour in humble reverence to the best of my ability.”


    According to the Society of The Old Guard’s website, Tomb Sentinels “are completely dedicated to their duty of guarding the Tomb. Because of that dedication, the weather does not bother them. In fact, they consider it an honor to stand their watch (we call it “walking the mat”), regardless of the weather. It gets cold, it gets hot – but the Sentinels never budge. And they never allow any feeling of cold or heat to be seen by anyone.”

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/tomb_sentinels_guard_the_unknown_soldier_during_hurricane_sandy.html#ixzz2An2UtXSH

    • Just A Citizen says:


      ROTFLMAO………………Good one my dear. Great Guffhah to start the day.

      OK America……………Lots and lots and lots of RAIN has and is still coming on shore. One should assume it will continue East. So if you hare getting Cold from Canada you can expect some serious weather in the next week or so.

      Unless of course the Rocky Mtns drain the water out before it hits the plains.

      Best wishes and good thoughts to everyone back East. Things will NOT be back to normal in one week. So plan for the extended power outage, etc.

  17. Just A Citizen says:


    Here is the Natelson discussion on the jobs bill I promised. I suspect you are on battery power so if you don’t comment back in a day or two I will post this again when everyone is up and running full steam.

    Written by Rob Natelson on 02 October 2011

    A section located deep in President Obama’s proposed “American Jobs Act” would suspend part of the U.S. Constitution. The proposed law would violate not only the Constitution’s actual meaning, but even the watered-down version of the Constitution now applied by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    You might be surprised to learn that the Obama bill seeks to “create jobs” partly by punishing anyone who seeks to create them. Specifically, the bill would impose a new mandate on employers: prohibiting them from favoring applicants who already have jobs.

    Why an employer would, without good cause, favor an employed person over an unemployed person is not clear, and the bill’s findings do not suggest this is really a widespread problem. But the mandate is there nonetheless, and it would add significant compliance costs and litigation risks on anyone hiring people.

    Of course, the mandate is flatly unconstitutional under the Constitution’s actual meaning. But it also is deeply suspect under modern Supreme Court jurisprudence. Its purported basis is the Commerce Power, but the connection it recites to interstate commerce is well short of that required by the court in cases like U.S. v. Lopez (1995). The bill would impose mandate-related litigation on states as the price of receiving federal aid, but in many cases this would violate rules the Court enunciated in South Dakota v. Dole (1987).

    But the bill’s biggest problem is its bald claim to suspend the Eleventh Amendment. That Amendment generally prohibits suits by individuals against states in federal court. Section 376(a) provides, however:

    Abrogation of state immunity—A State shall not be immune under the 11th Amendment to the Constitution or otherwise, to a suit brought . . . under this Act.

    What? Is abrogation of the First Amendment next?

    In my book, The Original Constitution: What It Actually Said and Meant, I tell the story of the Eleventh Amendment. During the debates over the Constitution’s ratification, opponents pointed out that the instrument would give federal courts jurisdiction over “Cases . . . between a State and Citizens of another State.” Through a series of expensive lawsuits, opponents argued, a state and its taxpayers might be bankrupted. In response, proponents of the Constitution such as John Marshall (the future chief justice) pointed out that a suit by an individual against an unwilling state was not properly a “case” or “controversy” as the law used the term, and the Constitution gave the federal courts jurisdiction only over “cases” and “controversies.” On such representations, the Constitution was ratified.

    Nevertheless, just a few years after ratification the Supreme Court tore up the bargain by authorizing such suits. (Justice James Iredell, a leading ratifier, dissented.) To restore the ratifiers’ understanding, Congress quickly proposed—and the states rapidly ratified—the Eleventh Amendment. Note that the Amendment was designed to reinforce rather than change the original meaning of the Constitution:

    The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.

    Although the amendment does not specifically address suits against a state by its own citizens, the Supreme Court has properly recognized that a ban on such suits was also part of the constitutional bargain.

    During the 20th century, the Court did punch a few holes in the Eleventh Amendment. Perhaps the most important is that Congress may authorize individual suits against states under the power the Fourteenth Amendment gives Congress to protect individuals from state oppression. I’m all for protecting people from state oppression, but the Court has never explained how it can be “appropriate legislation” for Congress to violate another specific constitutional guarantee. Could, for example, Congress override the First Amendment in the process of enforcing the Fourteenth?

    The Obama bill never mentions the Fourteenth Amendment. But presumably its supporters will justify suspending the Eleventh Amendment as part of enforcing the Fourteenth. If so, that argument flies in the face of some very recent Supreme Court rulings.

    In University of Alabama v. Garrett (2001) and Nevada Dep’t of Human Resources v. Hibbs (2003), the Court made it clear that Congress may override the Eleventh Amendment only when dealing with certain kinds of discrimination (race, gender, and a few others), of which unemployed status is not one. Moreover, Congress must show a pattern of state discrimination of that kind. The Obama bill meets neither of these criteria.

    In other words, this part of the “American Jobs Act” is a straightforward, “in-your-face” defiance of the Constitution and of the Supreme Court. One wonders what goes through the minds of those who promote it.

    Buck: This raises a key point I have raised here before relative to what the Courts have done in their “interpretation”. That they set up situations where the Constitutional provisions can be in conflict with each other. This should NEVER happen with a properly constructed Constitution and proper judicial review.

    Like true Rights should never be in conflict. If they are you know they are not Natural Rights.

  18. Just A Citizen says:

    Lil’ JAC and I carved our pumpkins last night. But nothing compared to what this guy has done.

    Happy Halloween…………..bwahahahahahaa


  19. Have a question for those of you on the East Coast…..

    Recently, I saw several warnings and things from the governors and Mayors about evacuating from the storm area….but what I found interesting, was a comment in a particular burb in New Jersey, where it showed a particular block of apartments where several hundred residents decided to ride out the storm, that said the power would be turned off. When that happens, there would be no water nor sanitation available. This seems to indicate that the water and sanitation there are tied to the power source. Is this true?

    The reason that I ask is that we often go without power for days after tornadoes, floods, and hurricanes but it does not affect our water or sanitation. We can still flush toilets and draw water when we need it, even if we have to boil it. Did they report this wrong?

    • Water treatment plants shutdown.
      They can accept sewage to a point, then forced to raw dump.

      You cannot trust the water out of the tap.

    • If the water and sewage system is public, most low lying areas along the coast are flater and the systems are not gravity fed, as in they need to be pumped. If the power goes out on the pumps then water cannot be delivered and sewage cannot be taken away.

      If there are water towers to feed the system by gravity, and the pumps that supply the water tower go out then eventually the water towers will empty.

      If any component of the system gets submerged due to flooding, then contamination of the drinking water is a threat.

      • Understand…..I would have thought they would have backup generator power. As I told T Ray, we contend with power outages all the time……and our treatment plants and pump stations run on generator power. We can be out of power for a week but always have sewage and water………HOWEVER, we do not have to deal with submerged sewage treatments as I saw in the news reports…so I guess back up generators would not be of much use. Only our cities on the coastline have to deal with hurricanes and storm surges….never have seen a problem with rivers backing up into subways. Our floods are like flash floods…they are here and gone.

    • I believe NYC gets its water from reservoirs north of the city in the Catskills. It comes in on large under ground pipes many over a century old. I would think that it is gravity feed but do not know that for certain. The rivers around NYC were polluted many decades ago. Many of the N. J. cities pull water from rivers or from wells. All would need pumps. A few towns may pull water from reservoirs in the NW Jersey. When I lived in Budd Lake, NJ we had our own well and septic so would have survived the storm well with a generator. Boston gets its water from the Quabbin Reservoir. MA is very protective of their reservoirs and limits recreational activity on them.

      • Hey T Ray…..we have huge reservoirs here as well and water treatment plants and we bring in water from several of the Reservoirs via pump stations but all of our water treatment and sewage plants are not on city side power. All run their own generators. All of our pump stations run on electricity and then generator power. Was just wondering because we often go without power in the spring time due to the massive thunderstorms and tornado winds that we have here…..usually only for 24 hours or so but sometimes for several days. I guess since we have this so much we have planned for it.

        When we have huge ice storms, some parts where the cable is not buried, we will lose power for up to a week but we never have a water problem. However, we do not have to contend with flooding like I saw was happening on the East Coast. Our coastline is subject to flooding and when the hurricanes blow in, I know people will boil their water before cooking and drinking.

        But the news blurb that I saw, said that neighborhoods would be without power (understandable) but would also be without water and that would be shut off as well, Just have never seen that before. But, if all treatment plants and water pump stations do nothvae generator power….that also makes sense. Thanks.

  20. Woman Conceived in Rape Accuses Donnelly of Exploiting Her Life for Political Gain

    Elisabeth Meinecke

    Elisabeth Meinecke
    Townhall Magazine Managing Editor

    Oct 30, 2012 12:00 PM EST
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    “Hearing the words from Richard Mourdock, I was actually relieved.”

    So says Monica Kelsey, a woman conceived in rape, speaking in a web video put out by the Indiana Right to Life PAC. The video is responding to a Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee advertisement for Joe Donnelly, who is running against Richard Mourdock in Indiana’s U.S. Senate race. The race experienced a new twist after Mourdock suggested a child conceived in rape was still a gift from God.

    “I don’t think that anyone should deserve the death penalty simply for the acts of their father,” says Kelsey in the video.

    In fact, Kelsey goes after Donnelly for exploiting her life and women who have been raped for political gain.

    Hers is a voice that has been incredibly overlooked when debating a rape exception for abortion. She recounts in the video how the only reason her mother ended up not getting an abortion in 1972 (despite a visit to a “back alley” location) was that she felt she was breaking the law. She never looked at Kelsey, who was adopted when she was six weeks old and didn’t reconnect with her birth family until she turned 21.

    Contrary to what you’d believe when listening to Democrats today, Kelsey’s birth mom–at least based on her daughter’s account in the video–doesn’t seem unhappy the law prevented her from aborting her child.

    “Today, every time I see her, she hugs me and says that she made the best choice,” Kelsey said.

    Kelsey’s testimony is incredibly powerful. She admits that even she thought abortions should be allowed in some cases–but her outlook changed when she discovered she herself would have been one of those exceptions.

    “I always thought that the child would never want to grow up knowing that they were conceived out of a horrible act,” Kelsey said.

    Watching Kelsey’s story is a privilege. And it’s something that Democrats and Republicans should be aware of, including Mitt Romney and Indiana gubernatorial candidate Rep. Mike Pence. Pence’s suggestion that Mourdock should apologize for his initial comment that set off the firestorm was an unfortunate lapse in judgment and played horribly like a self-serving move to save a political campaign that really wasn’t in need of saving. For Democrats and Republicans alike, Kelsey’s story should be a learning experience. This is about changing hearts and minds.


  21. Pretty good breakdown of what has and is happening. My sympathies and prayers are with all those affected by this horrible storm.

    October 29, 2012
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    At least 39 dead, millions without power in Sandy’s aftermath

    Published October 30, 2012 | Associated Press

    NEW YORK – Millions of people from Maine to the Carolinas awoke Tuesday without electricity, and an eerily quiet New York City was all but closed off by car, train and air as superstorm Sandy steamed inland, still delivering punishing wind and rain. The U.S. death toll climbed to 39, many of the victims killed by falling trees.

    The full extent of the damage in New Jersey, where the storm roared ashore Monday night with hurricane-force winds of 80 mph, was unclear. Police and fire officials, some with their own departments flooded, fanned out to rescue hundreds.

    “We are in the midst of urban search and rescue. Our teams are moving as fast as they can,” Gov. Chris Christie said. “The devastation on the Jersey Shore is some of the worst we’ve ever seen. The cost of the storm is incalculable at this point.”

    More than 8.2 million people across the East were without power. Airlines canceled more than 15,000 flights around the world, and it could be days before the mess is untangled and passengers can get where they’re going.

    The storm also disrupted the presidential campaign with just a week to go before Election Day.

    President Barack Obama canceled a third straight day of campaigning, scratching events scheduled for Wednesday in swing state Ohio. Republican Mitt Romney resumed his campaign, but with plans to turn a political rally in Ohio into a “storm relief event.”

    Lower Manhattan, which includes Wall Street, was among the hardest-hit areas after the storm sent a nearly 14-foot surge of seawater, a record, coursing over its seawalls and highways.

    Water cascaded into the gaping, unfinished construction pit at the World Trade Center, and the New York Stock Exchange was closed for a second day, the first time that has happened because of weather since the Blizzard of 1888. The NYSE said it will reopen on Wednesday.

    A huge fire destroyed as many as 100 houses in a flooded beachfront neighborhood in Queens on Tuesday, forcing firefighters to undertake daring rescues. Three people were injured.

    New York University’s Tisch Hospital evacuated 200 patients after its backup generator failed. About 20 babies from the neonatal intensive care unit were carried down staircases and were given battery-powered respirators.

    A construction crane that collapsed in the high winds on Monday still dangled precariously 74 floors above the streets of midtown Manhattan, and hundreds of people were evacuated as a precaution. And on Staten Island, a tanker ship wound up beached on the shore.

    With water standing in two major commuter tunnels and seven subway tunnels under the East River, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said it was unclear when the nation’s largest transit system would be rolling again. It shut down Sunday night ahead of the storm.

    Joseph Lhota, chairman of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, said the damage was the worst in the 108-year history of the New York subway.

    The saltwater surge inundated subway signals, switches and the electrified third rails, and covered tracks with sludge. Workers began pumping the water out and will ultimately have to walk the hundreds of miles of track to inspect it.

    Millions of more fortunate New Yorkers surveyed the damage as dawn broke, their city brought to an extraordinary standstill.

    “Oh, Jesus. Oh, no,” Faye Schwartz said she looked over her neighborhood in Brooklyn, where cars were scattered like leaves.

    Reggie Thomas, a maintenance supervisor at a prison near the overflowing Hudson River, emerged from an overnight shift, a toothbrush in his front pocket, to find his Honda with its windows down and a foot of water inside. The windows automatically go down when the car is submerged to free drivers.

    “It’s totaled,” Thomas said with a shrug. “You would have needed a boat last night.”

    Most major tunnels and bridges in New York were closed, as were schools, Broadway theaters and the metropolitan area’s three main airports, LaGuardia, Kennedy and Newark.

    “This will be one for the record books,” said John Miksad, senior vice president for electric operations at Consolidated Edison, which had more than 670,000 customers without power in and around New York City.

    Around midday, Sandy was about 120 miles east of Pittsburgh, pushing westward with winds of 45 mph, and was expected to make a turn into New York State on Tuesday night. Although weakening as it goes, the storm will continue to bring heavy rain and flooding, said Daniel Brown of the National Hurricane Center in Miami.

    In a measure of the storm’s immense size and power, waves on southern Lake Michigan rose to a record-tying 20.3 feet. High winds spinning off Sandy’s edges clobbered the Cleveland area early Tuesday, uprooting trees, cutting power to hundreds of thousands, closing schools and flooding major roads along Lake Erie.

    In Portland, Maine, gusts topping 60 mph scared away several cruise ships and prompted officials to close the port.
    Sandy also brought blizzard conditions to parts of West Virginia and neighboring Appalachian states, with more than 2 feet of snow expected in some places. A snowstorm in western Maryland caused a pileup of tractor-trailers that blocked part of Interstate 68 on slippery Big Savage Mountain.

    “It’s like a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs up here,” said Bill Wiltson, a Maryland State Police dispatcher.

    The death toll climbed rapidly, and included 17 victims in New York State — 10 of them in New York City — along with five dead in Pennsylvania and four in New Jersey. Sandy also killed 69 people in the Caribbean before making its way up the Eastern Seaboard.

    In New Jersey, Sandy cut off barrier islands, swept houses from their foundations and washed amusement pier rides into the ocean. It also wrecked several boardwalks up and down the coast, tearing away a section of Atlantic City’s world-famous promenade.

    A huge swell of water swept over the small New Jersey town of Moonachie, near the Hackensack River, and authorities struggled to rescue about 800 people, some living in a trailer park. And in neighboring Little Ferry, water suddenly started gushing out of storm drains overnight, submerging a road under 4 feet of water and swamping houses.

    Police and fire officials used boats and trucks to reach the stranded.

    “I looked out and the next thing you know, the water just came up through the grates. It came up so quickly you couldn’t do anything about it. If you wanted to move your car to higher ground you didn’t have enough time,” said Little Ferry resident Leo Quigley, who with his wife was taken to higher ground by boat.

    Jersey City was closed to cars because traffic lights were out, and Hoboken, just over the Hudson River from Manhattan, was hit with major flooding.


    • Poor guy..the overnight worker who got back to his car that had the window open. And those 80 homes that burned. Makes you count your blessings. Still missing some east coast heads around SUFA..USW..Puritan..Matt..SK..and Charlie…come out, come out, wherever you are! Glad to see Buck checked in.

      • A Puritan Descendant says:

        I am fine Anita. Just a little windy and rainy here. Waiting till it is over to get back to work. Sorry your Tigers fell asleep.

  22. October 31, 2012
    The Miscalculation of the American Left
    By Steve McCann

    As the 2012 election season winds down to a merciful end, the Obama re-election cabal is in a state of shock and panic at the very real prospect that they and their anointed “messiah” look headed for a monumental defeat. Such a defeat may well change the political landscape in the United States for many years to come, thanks to Barack Obama.

    The American left, the Obama campaign team, the Democratic establishment, and much of the mainstream media are stunned and surprised by the depth of reaction to the exposure of a vapid Barack Obama during the three presidential debates. Revealed to the world was a man who could not live up to the well-crafted image of one of the most adept, well-liked, and intelligent politicians in American history. Once deflated, this image could never be rebuilt. Obama’s performance was indicative of an unprepared and unqualified president unable to defend his four years in office or present a cogent plan for the next four.

    Further, the Euro-socialist policies eagerly pursued by the Obama administration and the Democrats in Congress, which in the hallowed halls of academia and liberal think-tanks always succeed, not only have failed miserably to rescue the economy, but are being soundly rejected by the majority of the populace. They, unlike the insulated elites, are experiencing the real-life consequences of these actions, in a global and domestic landscape of turmoil, indecision, and uncertainty.

    As the members of the American left look to the horizon, they are beginning to focus on the very real prospect that what they have strived to achieve over the past fifty-plus years has begun to unravel. In great part, this is because they chose as the face of the movement someone whose only qualifications were skin color, an ability to read a speech and live up to a celebrity persona, and a studiously ignored youth and young adulthood steeped in 1960s radicalism. The left relied solely on image rather than substance, and because of racial guilt as well as presenting Barack Obama as a “moderate” bent on hope and change, they succeeded in winning the presidency and control of Congress.

    The left had assumed since the president had garnered over 69 million votes in the 2008 election (53% of the votes cast) that the American people had given him and his party a free hand to transform the country. Never mind that the votes Mr. Obama received accounted for only 30% of the voting-age population in the country, and forget that many voted for him thinking he was the moderate he proclaimed to be during his campaign for president.

    It is apparent that the Progressives; their figurehead, Barack Obama; the leaders of the Democratic Party; and the so-called intellectuals on the left have little or no understanding of why the Euro-socialist utopia they envision will never be accepted by the American people. Had these elites gotten beyond their own sense of superiority and God-given right to lead, they would have understood that the basic nature of the American society is unlike that of any nation in the world.

    Throughout the history of mankind, strong centralized governments have dominated those societies whose makeup was primarily of a single ethnic group and who had little or no history of independence or popular uprisings (e.g., Russia, China, various Arab countries). So too for modern-day Marxism or socialism — those nations in today’s world living under various manifestations of socialism mostly are similarly formulated. A docile and willing public is essential for the acceptance of an authoritarian government.

    In 1782, a French immigrant to the United States, Michel Guillaume Jean de Crèvecoeur, in his notable essays, “Letters from an American Farmer,” wrote of his newly adopted country:

    What then is the American, this new man? He is either a European or the descendant of a European, hence that strange mixture of blood, which you will find in no other country…Here individuals of all nations are melted into a new race of men, whose labors and posterity will one day cause great changes in the world.

    The population of the country has increased nearly a hundredfold since those words were first written 230 years ago. The “new race of men” now includes those from all corners of the world, and their labor and posterity have in fact caused great changes, for the better, in the world. It has become a source of pride in American families to trace their ancestry and celebrate the courage and determination of their forefathers — be it that they came on the Mayflower, by steerage to Ellis Island, or through the suffering and perseverance inherent in forced servitude.

    These pioneers injected into a uniquely American character a fierce desire to be independent and free, to be the final arbiter of one’s success or failure. There resides deep within the soul of this country a profound mistrust of a powerful central government; this trust stems from the firsthand experience of these immigrants, voluntary and involuntary, from whom virtually all Americans today descend.

    Over the past sixty-seven years, as the United States became the wealthiest and most powerful country on the face of the earth, another trait unique to the American people came to the fore: a genuine sense of generosity and fair play. All were willing to accept the notion that the individual (and the government to a much smaller degree) should help those in need and give the downtrodden a leg up.

    Unfortunately, this characteristic has been exploited by those on the left who desire to transform the country into a socialist utopia (governed by them, of course). The stratagem used was to foster guilt for one’s success, substitute government for individual charity, and declare as rights those things that only government can insure. As long as the future of the nation did not appear to be in real jeopardy, and as long as the nation could, on the surface, afford this spending, many simply chose to drop out of active participation in governance, while others, in smaller numbers, chose to accept the largess.

    While far too many have succumbed to a dependence on government largess, this does not mean that the basic character of the American people, as instilled by those Americans’ forbears, has changed to become amenable to a massive central government controlling all aspects of their lives while jeopardizing the futures of their children and grandchildren.

    The Obama administration and the Democratic Party have, by unbridled spending and headlong drive to control the day-to-day activities of all Americans, at last awakened those who chose to sit on the sidelines and merely observe while assuming that the country was too big and rich to fail.

    Now, even many of the least involved citizens have begun to realize that the nation has embarked on a path that will bankrupt the country. It is now apparent to a majority that the survival of a great nation depends in its ability to remain master of its destiny and that that capability is now in question.

    In this election, the people are rising to the challenge of overcoming what the left has attempted to achieve over the past fifty years. This is something never anticipated by them, Barack Obama, and the Democrats. The legacy left to Americans by their forbears will not be betrayed; it is, after all, who we are.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/the_miscalculation_of_the_american_left.html#ixzz2ArFZd8Wu

  23. gmanfortruth says:

    Charlie posted on his Facebook page, via cell phone, that he has no power. Otherwise all is well, I assume, until more info comes along. 🙂

    • For real. I’m having a hard time believing it myself. The black pastors are all against Obama now, that sure doesn’t hurt. It would be nice for the one two punch with Mich and Wisc..then the KO with OHIO! Please, please, please… I don’t ask for much.

  24. Now I know Romney is gonna win. Heeheehe 🙂 But reelection, that seems to be a 50/50 proposition. Happy Halloween!

    Republicans Have Won Every November 6th Presidential Election Since 1860
    by John Sexton 31 Oct 2012, 2:41 AM PDT 32 post a comment

    Here’s one more historical curiosity to observe this election cycle. Since election day was standardized in 1845 there have been 6 presidential elections held on November 6th and Republicans have won all six. That means next Tuesday, the 7th Presidential election held on this date, will either break or uphold a streak that began in 1860 with the election of Abraham Lincoln.

    Starting in 1792, states had a range of dates on which to conduct presidential elections, but in 1845 Congress standardized the date so it would always be the Tuesday after the first Monday in November. Since then presidential elections have been held on dates ranging from November 2nd to November 8th with each date coming up about six times in a fairly regular pattern. The date November 6th has always been a good one for Republicans:

    1860 – Abraham Lincoln over Stephen Douglas
    1888 – Benjamin Harrison over incumbent Grover Cleveland
    1900 – William McKinley over William Jennings Bryan
    1928 – Herbert Hoover over Al Smith
    1956 – Dwight Eisenhower over Adlai Stevenson
    1984 – Ronald Reagan over Walter Mondale

    Which brings us to November 6th, 2012 where it’s Mitt Romney in a tight race with the incumbent Barack Obama. Will the Republicans’ lucky streak hold or will Obama make history as the first Democrat to win on that date? We’ll know in a week (or so).

    In case you’re wondering, the 2016 election will be held on November 8th. It will be the 7th presidential election on this date since 1845. The prior six were evenly split with three going to Democrats (Cleveland, FDR, Kennedy) and the other three to Republicans (Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, G.H.W. Bush).


  25. Just A Citizen says:

    Conservative Stupidity…………..or………………..A tale of irrational discussion.

    Yesterday afternoon I was listening to some “conservative” radio personality discussing an encounter he had with a college student last weekend. The point of his “speech” was that we all have “dogmas” and those on the left who claim they don’t simply haven’t taken time to know themselves.

    Well I was pretty much OK with that statement, although I think it equally applies to many “conservatives”.

    In response to a couple callers who were trying to discuss what they saw as weakness in the “Right’s” or the “Conservative’s” arguments. The issues raised were basically that “conservatives” rely on God for their dogma which of course means it is based on FAITH rather than Reason.

    This self righteous twit then made an argument that REASON can not be used to show Right vs. Wrong. That REASON does not inform Morality. Then he added, REASON does not “demand” a particular moral behavior.

    He said that Reason does not tell you that Slavery is bad or good. You can not use Reason to show that violence is wrong or even bad.

    These things are “wrong” because ONLY GOD can “demand” a particular moral behavior.

    Every attempt by the callers to assert logic was rebutted by the host simply claiming that Reason can not tell you any of these things. That you can not use reason to justify any particular moral principle.

    Now for those who have followed by “philosophical” discussions you should recognize that this “Conservative” was building a rationalization of the argument that REALITY is UNKNOWABLE and that Rational or Reasoned thinking CAN NOT identify right from wrong.

    In his attempts to explain himself he kept changing the terms or phrases to justify his argument. For example, he injected the word “reasonable” in place of “reason” in one statement. Obviously this trick can change the meaning of the discussion completely, as “reasonable” has many meanings which may or may not be grounded in “REASON” or reality.

    If this guy represents the philosophical foundation of the “American Conservative” then I strongly urge those claiming this title to find a new one. Run as fast as you can away from this kind of thinking and this kind of “leadership”.

    Poor Lil’ JAC kept asking me why I was talking to the radio as I drove him to the gym. “Dad, we don’t use the word stupid!”, was the comment that finally snapped me out of it. 🙂

    I can not remember his name but will post it if I here his show again.

    Happy Halloween to all you Heathens.

    • You think this only because you stick to the exact definition of words. A lot of people simply think that reason can be used to make a reasonable argument on both sides of a lot of issues. That we for the most part simply accept the beginning premise. Like murder is wrong. Yet many make reasonable argument based on what they deem as reason, that killing one to save a million is okay. So just how do you use reason to prove killing one to save a million is wrong? How do you prove using reason that a mother killing one of her children because she cannot afford to feed all of them is wrong?

      • You prove killing one to save a million is evil by argument of principle.

        The principle: killing innocent people is evil.

        The proposition is killing innocent people to save the killing of innocent people is a contradiction.

        You end up transferring the work of evil doing the killing over there to become the work of evil killing here – in your own hands.

        • Well, I agree-but Matt, for one would probably say-allowing the million to die is evil. Anyway, I am not arguing the point so much as pointing out that most people are simply not up on philosophical debate or keep to such strict interpretations of words.

          They simply see reason being used to justify evil and a good portion of society agreeing that it is reasonable. There doesn’t seem to be any strict rules upon which one can rely to insure that their Reasoning is reasonable.

          • Just A Citizen says:


            Your comments are true. Not everyone spends the time to establish solid foundations.

            But my point was that THIS particular “conservative” pundit is claiming to be one of those types, a scholar. Yet his arguments were irrational and display a dangerous way of thinking.

            His arguments lead to “reality is relative”, which means it does not exist.

            • Maybe, but on the other hand perhaps he is just pointing out that Reason as it is actually used by people-doesn’t guarantee any agreement on what is reasonable. Societies have social norms -something in that society brings about those social norms. In a lot of them the core is a religious foundation-some are good-some or not. What in a majority secular society does this-bringing together? Reason-I think not. Emotion, maybe

      • Just A Citizen says:


        My point with the word “reasonable” was that it has a broader meaning than the words REASON or RATIONAL.

        By using “reasonable” instead of “reason” in his rebuttal to a guest he was changing the meaning of reason and thus changing his argument. He was doing this consistently during the discussion.

        So you and I may compromise on a point to come to a “reasonable” solution to a problem.

        We may differ on some point but find a reasonable answer, meaning it is acceptable to us both.

        But REASON is a kind of thinking that seeks RATIONAL answers, namely answers that are consistent with reality.

        So to argue that something is not reasonable and therefore REASON itself does not apply is an irrational argument.

        In this case it was worse than that. This was outright propaganda speak.

        Killing an innocent person for any cause is wrong because it begets more killing of innocent people, threatening the very existence of human kind. Which is a major contradiction of the driving force of life itself. Furthermore, YOU do not have the right to take another person’s life. It is THEIR life, not yours. You are not a lion, tiger or bear. You do not need to kill other humans for food.

        It is REASON that reveals these things to us.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Another argument this guy made was that we all depend on FAITH because those of us who believe in the application of REASON are doing so simply on FAITH. We have not proof that REASON exists or that it is applicable.

        Do you see the fallacy here?

        He is claiming that FAITH in God, an entity that cannot be proven to exist, is the same as FAITH in REASON, a process of thinking used to identify reality. These are two entirely different concepts but he ties them together by using one word and ignores that it has a different context within each statement.

        Faith in Reason or a Belief in Reason means that we believe in reality. That we believe, as in “KNOW”, that reality is real and that it is possible to discover it.

        Faith in the dictates of God is an entirely different matter.

  26. Just A Citizen says:


    A place that proves you can buy an election for a few hundred million dollars.

    If you have control of Congress and the White House you can direct money to places that matter.

    People can be purchased with a “job”, or the “illusion of a job”.

    There is a reason that Obama views Lincoln has his hero and mentor.

    Lincoln used Govt money and Political favors to get what he wanted. He played the game like a master political thug. But funny how we only think of him as “Honest Abe”.

  27. The Top Ten Ways to Celebrate an Obama Halloween
    M. Allen Fritsch

    #10 Lure kids to the house with the promise of “shovel ready” candy.

    #9 Incite “trick-or-treaters” to violence by posting videos on YouTube denigrating Halloween.

    #8 Hand out 1st lady baby carrots and low-fat ranch dressing instead of candy

    #7 Hand out “ObamaPhones” along with the candy (Ohio only).

    #6 Don’t give out any candy, but tell the kids, “Hey, you can stay on your parent’s health insurance until age 26. What else do you want?”

    #5 Scare the kids by saying, “I see rich people.”

    #4 Don’t give out any of your own candy; rather, indignantly dictate how much candy your neighbors should be giving out.

    #3 Check the bags of all trick-or-treaters and redistribute as needed to “spread the wealth around.”

    #2 Don’t compliment especially good costumes. Instead, remind the kids that “they didn’t make that…somebody else made that.”

    #1 If you run out of candy, blame it on the previous homeowner.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/the_top_ten_ways_to_celebrate_an_obama_halloween.html#ixzz2AtYAXtAd

  28. Checking in from West of Philadelphia – storm hit this area pretty hard – lot of flooding and trees down – spotty power outages.

    I was amused and disappointed this morning at the crap Chris Christie was getting from the right about supposedly kissing Obama’s ass over the work thus far from the Federal level. Enough already! Many indies and lefties actually like the NJ Governor

    • Just A Citizen says:


      I agree and forgot to comment on that as well.

      The D’s and R’s are showing their PETTY stripes almost daily any more. Saw an interesting comment by Haley Barbour last night. He said that during the oil spill he had some serious problems with the Obama Administration’s response. BUT….those issues were kept behind closed doors because Govt needs to look unified to the people during a crisis. He had good things to say about Christie’s response.

      Glad to here you are OK.

      • @JAC – I do agree with one commentator (Chris Stigall on 1210 am out here) who basically had a stroke this morning over the crap the lefty media was hurling at Romney – it seemed that no matter Romney said or did the last 2-4 days was just wrong – as if he should just shut up and go home. Anything Romney did would just be seen as making the Hurricane into political theater – just angers me that the media seems to find a way to stoop lower and lower all the time to where I want to put my fist through the TV.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Glad to hear from you Ray 🙂 We had no problems here. I think Christi is doing a great job and should be commended for it.

  29. Texas to UN monitors…….Do NOT pay attention to the State Department and their promise of immunity from prosecution. . If you show up at a voting place…you will be arrested. You may not be prosecuted and you may receive a get out of jail free card……but make no mistake, you will be arrested and it takes about 72 hours to process paperwork……IF THERE ARE NO ERRORS…..and there will be errors. So save yourself the trouble…..do not come here. You are not welcome and you have no place here. Oh, and if you come here, bring your picture ID…we are asking for them.

  30. Sad situation, but you gotta read the comments…..


  31. Buck, Buck, Buck..

    Seriously? 🙂

    Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein arrested in Texas

  32. Obama’s Layoff Bomb

    Michelle Malkin

    Oct 31, 2012

    Obama’s Layoff Bomb
    In June, a diffident and self-deluded President Obama claimed that “the private sector is doing fine.” Last week, the private sector responded: Speak for yourself, buster. Who needs an “October Surprise” when the business headlines are broadcasting the imminent layoff bomb in neon lights?

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported last Tuesday that employers issued 1,316 “mass layoff actions” (affecting 50 workers or more) in September; more than 122,000 workers were affected overall. USA Today financial reporter Matt Krantz wrote that “(m)uch of the recent layoff activity is connected to what’s been the slowest period of earnings growth since the third quarter of 2009.” Some necessary restructuring is underway in response to the stagnant European economy. But more and more U.S. businesses are putting the blame — bravely and squarely — right where it belongs: on the obstructionist policies and regulatory schemes of the blame-shifter-in-chief.

    Last week, Ohio-based auto parts manufacturer Dana Holding Corp. warned employees of potential layoffs amid “looming concern” about the economy. President and CEO Roger Wood specifically mentioned the walloping burden of “increasing taxes on small businesses” and the need to “offset increased costs that are placed on us through new laws and regulations.”

    Case in point: Obamacare. The mandate will cost Dana Holding Corp., which employs some 24,500 workers, “approximately $24 million over the next six years in additional U.S. health care expenses.” As Ohio Watchdog blogger Maggie Thurber reported, the firm’s Toledo area corporate offices laid off seven white-collar employees last Friday; company insiders told her more were on the way. They are not alone.

    On Tuesday, Consol Energy issued a federally mandated layoff disclosure announcing its “intent to idle its Miller Creek surface operations near Naugatuck, W.Va.” The move will affect the company’s Wiley Surface Mine, Wiley Creek Surface Mine, Minway Surface Mine, Minway Preparation Plant and Miller Creek Administration Group, all in Mingo County, W.Va. Despite state approval, cooperation with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and myriad other agencies, and a stellar safety record, Obama’s EPA dragged its feet on the permit approval process. The impasse has forced layoffs of 145 Consol Energy employees that will hit at the end of the year. They are not alone.

    In August, Robert E. Murray, founder and CEO of Murray Energy Corporation in Ohio, blasted the White House anti-coal agenda for the layoffs and closure of his company’s mine. He told Obama water-carrying CNN anchor Soledad O’Brien that “the many regulations that (Obama) and his radical appointees and the U.S. EPA have put on the use of coal, there are dozens of them and collectively by his own energy administration, have closed 175 power plants.” As O’Brien barked at her guest about purported environmental objections, Murray explained that “we cannot get permits for these mines. They are delaying the issuance of permits. If you can’t get the permit, you can’t have the mine. … I created those jobs, and I put the investment in that mine. And when it came time to lay the people off, I went up personally and talked to every one of them myself to lay them off. It’s a human issue.”

    And it’s an innovation issue, too. As I reported in February, Obamacare’s impending 2.3 percent medical device excise tax has already wrought havoc on the industry:

    Stryker, a maker of artificial hips and knees based in Kalamazoo, Mich., is slashing 5 percent of its global workforce (an estimated 1,000 workers) this coming year to reduce costs related to Obamacare’s taxes and mandates.

    Covidien, a N.Y.-based surgical supplies manufacturer, recently announced layoffs of 200 American workers and plans to move some of its plant work to Mexico and Costa Rica, in part because of the coming tax hit.

    Mass.-based Zoll Medical Corp., which makes defibrillators and employs some 1,800 workers in the U.S. and around the world, says the medical device tax will cost the company between $5 million and $10 million a year.

    This July, Indiana’s Cook Medical Inc. shelved plans to open five new plants because of the imminent medical device tax hit. They are not alone.

    The heads of Koch Industries, Westgate Resorts and ASG Software Solutions have all separately informed their employees of prosperity-undermining Obama economic politics. Left-wing groups have lambasted the executives for exercising their political free speech.

    But they have remained silent while the White House corruptocrats bribed federal defense contractors into delaying federally mandated layoff disclosures before the election. In a memo now being investigated on Capitol Hill, Obama promised to cover the legal fees of Lockheed Martin and other defense contractors if they ignored legal requirements to inform workers in advance about so-called sequestration cuts to the military’s budget scheduled to kick in next year.

    Truth suppression is a time-honored Obama tactic, of course. Remember: The administration and its Democratic allies on Capitol Hill attempted to punish Deere, Caterpillar, Verizon and ATT in 2010 for disclosing how the costs of Obamacare taxes were hitting their bottom lines — even though they were simply following SEC disclosure requirements. The White House also tried to silence insurers who dared to inform their customers about how Obamacare was driving up premiums. Not this time.

    The administration’s bully boys don’t have enough whitewash and duct tape to cover up the past, present and future devastation of the president and his economic demolition team.


  33. Bottom Line says:

  34. gmanfortruth says:

    I recieved a message from Charlie this morning and thought I’d pass it on. “Grazie, amico. We were very fortunate compared to the shore towns (truly horrific there) … no gas though … local stations still without power, huge lines at stations that have gas. Crazy times.”

  35. JAY LENO: Economists say rebuilding after Hurricane Sandy will give the ailing construction industry a huge boost. In fact, the storm has already created more jobs than President Obama has.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/01/leno-hurricane-sandy-has-already-created-more-jobs-obama-has#ixzz2AygtqYAG

  36. ECONOMICS 101: Brought to you by Sandy

    IF you live on the coast, expect to pay exorbitant flood insurance or have no coverage at all from the private market (most likely the latter). If you live on the coast, and you have flood insurance underwritten by the Federal Government, (through FEMA and the National Flood Program), expect to have no flood insurance.


    What do you mean? Well, it is very simple. The private insurance carriers, understanding risks and costs and understanding that you cannot control mother nature and understanding that one catastrophe could wipe out an industry………………..most make a policy of not offering flood insurance in flood prone areas. Well, that does not make sense, you scream….but in reality, it makes perfect sense. So, people scream and enters the Federal Government and they say…we will take care of you. Even though you decide to build in Hurricane Alley, and even though you live in a town below sea level, you deserve flood insurance so we will create, just for you, a special consideration (we want your votes) and we will use tax payer money….HENCE FEMA’s birth of the……(trumpets, please) NATIONAL FLOOD PROGRAM (1968) at low cost…….and the people smiled and all is well…….or is it.

    Let’s look……Sandy has come roaring in and wipes out a huge chunk of the Northeastern Seaboard. Whole neighborhoods are “flooded” as a result of the rising tides, the full moon, a minor wind (80mph), a surge from a South Easter that is unheard of (Yes, I said south easter because that is the direction the storm came from…and I know that the winds are counter clockwise, so, please, no diatribe on this)…..etc etc….. A horrific combination of mother nature clearing her throat every 50 years or so….(not global warming as this has happened before global warming was even a warm feeling in Gore’s britches). People are hurt, some are dead, and the catastrophe has epic proportions, not to mention, the damage may surpass that of Katrina. Now it is time for clean up. So people are calling their insurance companies and filing claims, the scammers are on the way to fix your roofs ( but this is another subject), water to be sold at exorbitant prices from profiteers, wood, building materials, food, gasoline that is black marketed on the back streets at night…..etc. You need money to rebuild and replace things and to feed your family and then the National Flood Program sends out a Federal adjuster to view your claim….

    The Federal Claims Adjuster says….Wow….you are under water and this looks like a flood to me and authorizes your claim………………………only……………..you do not realize that a Federal Claims Adjuster cannot bind the government in any way. Unlike a private insurer’s claim adjuster who CAN bind an insurance company….a Federal Claims Adjuster “HAS NO AUTHORITY ASSUMED NOR EXPRESSED” to bind the Federal Government. This has to be done by Congress……WHY? Because the Federal program is not for profit and does not generate income and is NOT required to have reserves………………..it must be granted by Congress in a Congressional Budget. It matters not whether the area is designated a disaster area or not. It must be remembered that TAX money is used. So now, just like in the private market, claims are disputed, time is wasted, and lawsuits are filed. ( There are still hundreds of claims from Katrina that have not been settled ).

    The government trots out its definition of flood which reads: A general and temporary condition of partial or complete inundation of two or more acres of normally dry land area or of two or more properties (at least one of which is your property) from:
    a. Overflow of inland or tidal waters;
    b. Unusual and rapid accumulation or runoff of
    surface waters from any source;

    There is an interesting definition of “normally dry land” that comes into play. As wetlands, and coastal tidal plains are not normally dry land by definition. This came into play in New Orleans where the government argues that “reclaimed land that is below sea level” is not normally dry land. This means that someone that has beachfront property…..may not be covered but the neighborhood behind them may be covered. The government’s policy also has the same “acts of god” definitions as private insurers.

    But, let us continue…….so, let us assume that you jump through all of the hoops and you can now file your claim to find out that there is no money in the Federal Flood Program. It is broke….and has a 60 billion dollar deficit as a result of Katrina. So, under the Federal Disaster declaration, money, that is not there, is made available for………..loans. However, there is no money to loan unless it is either printed or borrowed from,most likely, China. There is no allocation to the Federal Flood Program unless Congress authorizes an emergency “gift” of money that it does not have either cash in the bank or reserves as required by private insurers.

    So, here is a government function that requires tax money, that is under funded, must add to the deficit and borrow money it does not have. It disregards all the normal functions of proper accounting that you cannot do and it will fight you….just like a private insurance carrier….and even if you win….there is no money.

    • Good Morning D13 🙂

      We are still getting rain from Sandy as it slowly moves away. I am amazed at the amount of deaths and rescues. With an unprecedented warning, it seems far too many folks ignored it. I do not feel sorry for those in gas lines or stuck in traffic, they should have planned better. I do feel bad for the families of those who have died, as some of these deaths were avoidable. This should be a good lesson about being prepared. I was ready to go for weeks without leaving for any supplies. I can’t imagine what will happen if the economy goes south.

      • Yes….but even down here in hurricane and tornado country….we have the same that do not leave……..but my point was that the government is not any better as there are still claims out there for Katrina….. the concept of FEMA may look good on paper and it does a quick reaction function but that is it……we found that after Katrina…..the local NAtional Guard was more productive after the initial response and it sounds as if that is what is happening in NJ. Those folks got clobbered…..just like other places but there are so many jammed into a small area….and the death toll is climbing…but I hope things work out well for them but it does not look like some were very well prepared despite all the warnings. That clean up is going to be a bitch.

        the other thing that I found interesting was there appeared to be no infrastructure backup power sources for water or sewage. And even more astounding to me.were the main power grids were not above ground in New York but located in subway areas. I guess that is also a space limitation issue.

        • Missing Bush in Northeast Electrical Outage
          J. James Estrada

          The power outages states are encountering in the Northeast did not have to happen. During the Bush years, Democrats rejected plans to upgrade the electrical grid system in the country because they believed Bush and Cheney were just rewarding “cronies” who helped get them elected (sort of like Obama giving billions to now bankrupt solar companies whose CEOs supported his election). Here is the Bush Administration report advocating for upgrades. Too bad its implementation was blocked by Dems in Congress.

          But the Dem action in this case is just par for the course. Soon after the election of George W. Bush, plans were being hatched to derail any energy plan that the dastardly “oil men” were to send to Capitol Hill, as this 2001 LA Times article reports.

          Do we miss you yet, President Bush? Oh yeah.

          Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/missing_bush_in_northeast_electrical_outage.html#ixzz2AzMNPsJM

          • LOI,
            So are you now a supporter of a “Smart Grid”?

            How would these changes, meant to alleviate congestion, have made a difference with the storm damage?

            You’ve posted in the past that the “Smart Grid” is more susceptible to storm damage?

            If this was such a great plan, why didn’t Bush use his LEADERSHIP to get it passed and implemented?

            • Where does it say in either of the links, or any reference by LOI, to a Smart Grid?

              • Anita,
                What do you think is meant by:

                plans to upgrade the electrical grid system

                What would those upgrades be?

                From the “National Transmission Grid Study” by Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham:

                Continued development of these technologies is also expected to lead to a smart, switchable grid that can anticipate impending emergencies and automatically take preventive actions.

                The smart, switchable grid discussed in the previous subsection should be an important element in this portfolio; R&D on this concept must extend its capabilities to address multiple contingencies in the case of deliberate attack.

              • whoops. . I missed that link.

    • A sad situation indeed. Looking at all the pictures of this area, it boggles the mind on why people do what they do. They live on top of each other, in some cases, their “front yards” are the ocean beachfront, they build below sea level, etc. While I’ve donated $$ to their recovery, a part of me feels like giving them a big, “Well, duh!”

      It doesn’t have to be like that – there are big, wide open spaces all over the country. Head west people!

  37. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-08-15/non-voters-obama-romney/57055184/1

    Why 90 million Americans won’t vote in November

    And Mike Moore is scared…

    The non-voter today knows exactly what’s going on, and he or she wants no part of it. They are discouraged, disillusioned, and have almost lost hope that things will change. Many are jobless or working for peanuts. They’re angry, and we should tell them they have every right to be.

    But here’s something else about them: despite everything, they haven’t utterly given up on politics.

    That’s the rub – despite everything – all the history of the total pointlessness of it … they still prevaricate themselves to believing that politics actually solves problems

    Humans are bizarre.

  38. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought I would share a comment I left on Huff Po to Sam Stein. He has an article ridiculing Romney for being “nasty” and this proof is Romney making fun of Mr. O’s proposal for a Dept of Business. Mr. Stein is trying to show Romney is lying again. That should be enough context to understand the comment:

    “Note to Mr. Stein:

    Per your comment: “It wouldn’t result in an expansion of government bureaucracy, as Romney suggested, but rather a consolidation of it.”

    Apparently Sir, you have no clue what Govt “consolidation” means in reality.

    I’ll give you one word, well acronym anyway, to help you along with your thinking…….EPA.

    Understand now? “

  39. Benghazi. If only, if only we had real journalists! Thank you Fox News for continuing to dig and tell the story. Sharing this as it’s the first I’ve seen someone ask it and it is a question I had myself – how did Stevens last appt. for the day, with a Turkish representative, get away and presumably(?) not see anything starting to develop? Unless…..


  40. Just A Citizen says:

    Anyone have any doubts how this will turn out? Lowering the voting age to 16 in Argentina.

    This is what you get when you don’t vote and let the OTHER side take control of Govt.


    • Not so fast.

      Argentina has been a political mess for centuries as par with most Spanish colonies. They have been “voting” for idiots since the beginning – making the voters younger will not improve the intelligence of older people!

      • Which avoids JAC’s point, sitting it out only gives them an easy win. ( some very interesting history if you follow the link)

        Argentina, like the United States, had massive European immigration from 1870 to 1920. Large numbers of Italians, Germans, French, Jews, Welsh, Christian Arabs from Syria and Lebanon, Swiss, Basques, Croats, and Galacians from Northwest Spain settled in. There were even some Irish, English, Poles, Ukrainians, and Scandanavians, though in considerably smaller numbers.

        Blacks constitute only 3% of the Argentine genome, and most of those who carry African genes are now partly white through intermarriage. The chief nonwhite minority are the indigenous native Indians, who constitute about 19% of the Argentine genome.

        On a genetic level, Argentina may be more “European” than we Americans, though tending more to the Mediterranean than the Nordic. About half the population has traces of Indian blood, but even these often pass for swarthy whites. For all intents and purposes, Argentina, until recently, was a white European country, and boasted of it. The real shocker is that Spanish-speaking Argentina may have more Italians than Spanish, which is why they say ciao (which they spell chau) rather than adiós.

        It also has a liberal constitution roughly based on the American model.

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/how_to_destroy_a_rich_country.html#ixzz2AziPXotg

  41. Oh this is good. The politicians are blaming a charity for not being prepared!


    BTW, why on days 3/4 of this disaster are people lining up for gas? They did fill up late last week as part of their preparation, right? Where have they been driving that they need to already refuel again?

    • You whackos on the right kill me. You’re blaming the victims of a hurricane for not being you. And you wonder why we pinkos think you’re nuts?

      • Let’s put politics aside for a moment, my pinko friend. How are you and yours doing after this storm?

        • We are okay. Gman sent his concern. He’s right, I’m useless in all manners of things involving nature and/or construction (except I can carry a lot). We were spared big time; some roof damage and sewer backup. The loss of power was an inconvenience, nothing more. The lack of gas in the area (80% of the stations are not up and running and/or out of gasoline) … that becomes a genuine concern. Neither of us can commute without gas. My job is still without power (a law firm). My wife’s law job is in Zone A of Manhattan (next to the staten island ferry). They are relocating for a week, but commuting in and out of the city is near impossible; the jersey trains are out, as is most of the lower manhattan subway service, path trains, etc. They’ll send a car for her, but getting home will be a nightmare. Her nursing job requires a car (it’s a long drive). Her sister suffered a heart attack in the middle of this mess and she’s been going back and forth to Staten Island with me (visiting my mother and her sister respectively) but no traffic lights and the gas situation are becoming serious.

          We’re still VERY fortunate. I’m sure you’ve seen the shore towns. I wouldn’t live there either, but I wasn’t brought up there … I won’t begrudge people who’ve lived most their lives on the coast (some for generations) their home town. Nobody ever thought a hurricane would reach this far up and/or do this much damage. Maybe there’s something to that global warming thing … the frequency of storms of the century, etc. All I know is it’s a huge mess and it can’t help the economies of the states affected. I wouldn’t be surprised if unemployment shoots through the roof here in Jersey.

          What I found funny was listening to crazy Mark Levin go off on Christy for being the political animal required of him (kissing Obama’s ass) … seriously, with that level of polemic discourse, this country deserves whatever the fuck happens to it (especially economically). No different from MSNBC last night either … they pointing out how Romney did a photo op with food donations or some nonsense. Reading some of the comments here continues to baffle me, though … you guys really need to lighten up. Trust us, none of us want to be you.

          • Maybe there’s something to that global warming thing … the frequency of storms of the century, etc

            Its all nonsense.

            There is nothing weird or different – all that happened is you got caught in it, so its not the same as reading about the same thing that happened a couple of decades back.

            • Apparently you’re wrong again, BF. From what I’ve read, it’s the latest storm of the century as far as NY/NJ goes, except in 2012, with infrastructures built in 1909, water breaching the walls surrounding downtown Manhattan, has caused a lot more damage than if it was just roads that were compromised. I don’t remember in my lifetime ever seeing this kind of damage in this area (NJ/NY) … but if you say it’s all nonsense … hell, it’s gotta be nonsense, right?

              • Not so fast.
                You did not account for the fact that -as pointed out by JAC- that due to perversions of government insurance, more stuff has been built closer and lower to the water.

                The actual height – though spectacular – is not “extreme”

              • Just A Citizen says:


                When we build infrastructure it is designed to withstand “catastrophic events” as determined by a statistical criteria for frequency of said event.

                For example, a road is built with drainage designed to withstand a 100 year event. Meaning that said event on average would occur every hundred years. But it could occur in back to back years over a two hundred year period and be a “hundred year” event.

                The storm itself is probably a 100 or 200 year event. But it has happened before. However, you nailed it as to the reason for much of the damage. The infrastructure is NOT built to withstand such an event. That is because the engineers calculated the cost/benefit break points to be something less than that. Of course I am betting much of the infrastructure in the NE was designed with any such analysis. It was simply built to handle the demand at the time.

                Back to my example. If I build the road for a 50 year flood but it costs me 30% less, I will save money in the long run by REBUILDING the road after the flood rather than build it to withstand the 100 year flood.

                Note that some pundits have claimed this is the worst storm since 1821. This begs the question, what happened in 1821 or 1820.

                Bottom line: The only way to avoid devastation is to NOT build in areas that have high risk of natural catastrophe. This includes ALL coastal areas and major flood plains. And of course within 100 miles of active volcanic belts, hotspots or major fault lines.

                I think you get the idea………wouldn’t be much area left to live on.

      • Huh?

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Time for some more Edgycayshun………..

      The American Red Cross is THE Nations primary RESPONSE Organization per mandate of CONGRESS. The Red Cross gets bunches of Federal Tax Dollars to mesh with FEMA and be prepared to lead other NGO’s in response efforts.

      For those wondering, this is why Mr. O showed up at the Red Cross offices the other day. They are tied to the Govt at the hip.

      So this may shed a little different light on the criticism being leveled by these MORON Politicians. Their yapping is bull shit, but they don’t even seem to understand who they are yapping about.

      It sounds like the mayor of Staten Island forgot to attend the FEMA training meetings. If he had he would understand how this all works and what the Red Cross role is during the response and later recovery. Red Cross doesn’t have the lead in search and rescue. That is the LOCAL EMERGENCY RESPONDERS. Like I said, these guys apparently missed the meetings.

      Besides, didn’t they see Mr. O say the Red Cross is doing great?

      As a related aside, I posted this before but as a reminder………The Red Cross was abysmal during Katrina and Rita. During Rita the interagency people on the FED side started working with the local “judges” and “christian charities” in Texas. Because those folks got things done quickly and at the lowest cost imaginable. Because they volunteered in droves.

      Since then Congress has spent a bundle on getting the Red Cross “improved”. Guess we are going to see just how well that worked out.

      • Hmmm, thanks. Didn’t know this. Would it be wrong to stop payment on my check that is in the mail??????????

        • Just A Citizen says:


          Yes, unless you want to be hard core about supporting the NGO incest.

          Red Cross does good things. I see no reason to stop your check. Just recognize they may put the money in their general treasury and not use it specifically for this relief effort. But given the size of the damage I expect it will be used to help someone in need. Red Cross is in charge of the “shelters” for example.

          But I think that is true for many such NGO’s.

          Salvation Army might be another good choice as far as material rather than cash donations. The younger Graham, is it Billy also?, has a major relief organization that might appreciate some cash donations. I saw pictures the other night of their trucks all pre staged to move into the NE as soon as FEMA gave them the go ahead.

          • The one problem I have with the news idiots is, that they criticized Romney for having some remarks at the campaign event he turned into a fund and emergency supply event; but they give Obama a pass for having a big news conference at the Red Cross.

            Mind you now. I am not knocking EITHER of them. I think the President did his job, and did not do anything any other President would not have been expected to do. Likewise, Romney turned his campaign event into a food and water donation event. OF COURSE he made some remarks during it. ANY candidate would have done the same.

            I firmly believe our news agencies have become the lackeys of the differing parties. BUT AT LEAST FoxNews reports the news, no matter who it hurts. If the others see that the news will hurt the Democrats or their favorite Politician, they just ignore it. And if you don’t see it that way, you are BLIND AS A BAT.

    • Kathy,

      All I can really say to this post is a big old SIGH!

    • I would have to disagree with him on his comment V. God did NOT intend for it to happen. In fact, God had nothing to do with it. The sin of the world and a nasty, disgusting, cruel, sick bastard is what had to do with it and a poor woman in the wrong place. I do believe there are instances where good people have come from a bad situation though, like those on the video.

      But Mourdock is wrong in saying that God “intended” anything of the kind to happen. And Larry Flint has a lot of gall to say anything at all about Mourdock’s comments.

      • All he really said IMO is that “Life is a gift from God, no matter the circumstance of conception,” I wouldn’t think you would disagree with this statement.

  42. Just A Citizen says:

    From Kathy’s citation above on Sandy and Global Warming.

    “Dr. Brenda Ekwurzel disagreed, pointing out several key factors that can be attributed to climate change: the rise of sea level is making storm surges worse, more severe rains and coastal flooding, and warmer ocean waters powering hurricanes. “The bottom line is that off the shore of the New York region, we have 8 to 10 inches higher water levels because of sea level rise and that could mean a big difference as these shore line defenses are trying to struggle and keep pace with a storm surge that’s writhing from Sandy,” she said.”

    This is what drives me nuts about the modern media format. A statement like this is made and because of the short time allowed and the pundit preparation beforehand, nobody responds to a ridiculous statement.

    Like the next question should have been WHERE has the ocean level risen 8 to 10 inches in the “off shore New York region”? WHERE is this Region? How can the ocean rise that much without somebody noticing major flooding along the coast line???

    Here is another example, last night from Hannity’s show. Two guests, one a Fox Chick and the other a known DEM/liberal attorney and frequent guest.

    Issue was the new Obama advertisements focused on women’s health issues.

    The DEM lady explained that the Advertisement is about access to health care and how Obama Care resolved a serious issue with women. Get ready ………..here it comes…………….

    Women were discriminated against by the Insurance Companies and Obama stopped that with Obama Care. What women want is EQUAL health care for the SAME price as men.

    You see, women were being charged more for their insurance because they incur greater health care costs than men. Not kidding you……….SHE ADMITTED THIS. Pregnancy and child birth were examples she gave.

    So in her LEFTY brain, a group that has higher medical needs and thus higher medical costs MUST receive coverage for the SAME price as the group with less needs and lower costs. Furthermore, even this ADDITIONAL treatment is considered as getting the SAME treatment as those who NEVER WILL NEED IT.

    Another compelling statement was that “If you agree that women should be treated equally, as I do, then you support Obama Care and Mr. Obama”.

    Her statements were NEVER challenged by the other guest or by Hannity on failure in Logic or Economics. They just went on with their pre-determined talking points.

    This of course also fits in the category of Economic Lessons as offered by the Colonel this morning.

    • Hi JAC. Are you ready for this election season to end? I sure am! I have stopped coming on here much because I have grown weary of the constant argument over issues in which neither side will admit to being wrong (even though I know we right wing liberals are right).

      I am not satisfied with either, but I have already early voted for Romney. That’s because I believe the decay will be slower with him, not because I think anything will change. The American people do not have the will to live with the changes that would do any good. The sacrifice would be too much for them. Shoot, maybe even for me.

      I come here and read occasionally, but rarely comment anymore. Today is an exception because I am bored to tears. I am so disabled I can’t do almost anything at all. I have grown sick of reading even, and that is something I never thought I would say. But I am disgusted with BOTH Parties. Lord I am disgusted with Government period. So on to better topics.

      My 17 year old is now a junior in High School and has several colleges already following his progress. One is South Carolina and that is where he dreams to go. I pray his dreams come true. He certainly is working hard for it even in the off season. But he will be a success at whatever he does.

      Another dream is to graduate from college and be a Marine Force Recon Sniper. That is the one thing I hope never comes to pass. I don’t want him to fight for a Nation I believe would throw his life away without the opportunity to even fight back and I believe that is what this country has come down to.

      I agree with Ron Paul that we should not have any troops whatsoever in ANY foreign nation unless we are directly attacked. Then we should kill them all and let God sort them out. Instead we have turned Iraq and Afganistan into new Vietnams. (Aw Crap, I got back into Politics! :-))

      How are you and your’n? Mine are just fine (except for me, but I am just stuck and that is fine, that is the way it is).

      • Just A Citizen says:


        It is nice to hear from you again. I was a little worried.

        Glad to hear the boy is getting a good look. I think South Carolina would be a good program.

        What are the others? I thought Georgia had an “improving” program as well.

        You could send him out west to Lewis and Clark State. I’d keep an eye on him fer ya. 🙂

        Sorry to hear your mood is so low. I agree with you on the Marine Corp. While I have much affection for that branch of service, I agree with your assessment of how they are used by the Powers to Be.

        Your comments cause me to smile as I think back to when we started on SUFA. I remember you telling me I was nuts for saying the Constitution was broken and that BOTH parties were taking us down the path to hell. 😉

        But let me share a comment I made to another earlier today.

        If Romney is the price we must pay to get rid of Obama, then it is a price I am willing to pay.

        That price I suspect is as you say, just a “slow down”. Which is what I believe we need right now because we are not ready for the “collapse” that BF thinks is needed to affect real change. If it collapsed today it is the Occupy Crowd that would win.

        Hang in there my Georgian friend. It will be time for Spring Training soon.

        • We haven’t heard from Georgia (yet), but he has from several others including Alabama. He dreams to go to SC because they won the Nat. Championship the past 2 years.

          My mood is actually OK. There ain’t anything I can do about it, so I try to just roll with it. It just gets hard occasionally.

          The “slow down” is what i am hoping for. Anything but a total collapse. The Occupy crowd are are bunch of Socialist “gimme” groups wanting everything for nothing. They tick me off worse than any other. I worked all my life from the time was around 10. Those folks don’t want to work for what they get.

          But anyway, I have to go. It was good hearing from you JAC.

          • Just A Citizen says:


            If he is going to pitch then tell him to focus on good pitching coaches and a head coach who doesn’t use up his guy’s arms.

            Any good program that operates this way will allow him to have fun and possibly move up. A championship team may or may not be the one to fit that bill.

    • But here’s the thing – I don’t and never have paid more for my health insurance.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        I wondered about that statement but in fairness, we have had Health Insurance through Fed Govt for the last 30 years. The Fed programs is like other group policies. One set of options, one set of prices.

        But I did not know if this statement might apply to “individual” policies.

        She also said States didn’t have the power to address the disparity. But that is an out right lie.

        Prior to Obama Care, each State regulated its insurance industry and had complete control over what was covered and not covered.

        But to my point. Neither Hannity nor the “conservative” lady guest picked up on these points and challenged her claims on merit. Instead they went off on Obama Care will bankrupt us rhetoric.

  43. Just A Citizen says:

    Saw a pundit last night discussing the Electoral Map. He noted that we are about to see a repeat of history. One he thought would not be repeated.

    Basically it comes down to this.

    The Protestants vs. The Catholics. He called it a repeat of the “Nixon Map”.

    The South and Midwest/Inland West dominated by Protestants and the Catholic dominated Northeast and Rust Belt along with the Left Coast.

    But here is the difference between then and now but which feeds this division.

    New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada have gone from red to blue. They happen to have seen massive increases in Hispanic populations, who are Catholic.

    Same for Southern California, combined with the “conservatives” from Orange County fleeing the State 20 years ago.

    Now when he said “dominated” he did not mean just population. But the Dominance of Political Power. Kind of like Massachusetts.

    I find this an interesting comment and one that fits with some other analysis I shared about how Catholics seem to support MORE GOVT REDISTRIBUTION.

  44. WA state college allows transgender man to expose himself to young girls
    Posted by The Right Scoop The Right Scoop on November 1st, 2012 in Politics | 34

    Evergreen State College has a non-discrimination policy that prohibits them from stopping a transgender man from using the ladies locker room, male genitals and all. They argue based on state law that everyone must have equal access to facilities, regardless of sexual orientation:

    FOX NEWS – A Washington college said their non-discrimination policy prevents them from stopping a transgender man from exposing himself to young girls inside a women’s locker room, according to a group of concerned parents.

    “Little girls should not be exposed to naked men, period,” said David Hacker, senior legal counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom. A group of concerned parents contacted the legal firm for help.

    Hacker said a 45-year-old male student, who dresses as a woman and goes by the name Colleen Francis, undressed and exposed his genitals on several occasions inside the woman’s locker room at Evergreen State College.

    Students from nearby Olympia High School as well as children at a local swimming club share locker rooms with the college.

    According to a police report, the mother of a 17-year-old girl complained after her daughter saw the transgender individual walking naked in the locker room. A female swim coach confronted the man sprawled out in a sauna exposing himself. She ordered him to leave and called police.

    The coach later apologized when she discovered the man was transgendered but explained there were girls using the facility as young as six years old who weren’t used to seeing male genitals.

    “They’re uncomfortable with him being in there, her, being in there and are shocked by it,” parent Kristi Holterman told KIRO-TV.

    According to the police report, the local district attorney probably will not pursue charges because he said the “criminal law is very vague in this area.”

    Francis told KIRO-TV that he was born a man but chose to live as a woman in 2009. Francis said he felt discriminated against after he was told told leave.

    “This is not 1959 Alabama,” Francis told the television station. “We don’t call police for drinking from the wrong water fountain.”

    Hacker and local parents are outraged over the college’s response to the incident.

    “The idea that the college and the local district attorney will not act to protect young girls is appalling,” he said. “What Americans are seeing here is the poisoned fruit of so-called ‘non-discrimination’ laws and policies.”


    Since this began apparently officials have found a temporary solution not listed in the article above, a smaller private locker room for the Olympia School district to use. Here’s KIRO-TV’s video on this:


    This man’s attitude is really telling. He is the one who decided to live as a woman. He is the one who is still physically a man. Yet he seems to think everyone should be ready and willing to except him and his differences in the woman’s dressing room and facilities. But he seems to believe that he has no responsibility to place any limits on his actions based on these differences, he seems actually to relish purposely flaunting the fact that he isn’t physically a woman. So where exactly is the transgenders responsibility to consider other people’s friggin rights and feelings.

  45. JAC,

    Still running on battery as I continue waiting on power. Saw your post up above on Natelson, but this will have to wait until I have more time (and power) to delve in to. Suffice to say, while he raises some interesting points that I will have to look into in a bit further detail than I am currently able, Insofar as his arguments pertaining to favoring those currently with a job, I believe Natelson misses the mark. Insofar as his larger point relative to the 11th Amendment, this is a very peculiar area that I am by no means even close to being an expert on that I will need to research. Hope to get back to you in a few days time. If not, blame PSEG!


    • Just A Citizen says:


      It can wait. Much more important things to worry about right now.

      If you can I suggest you LEAVE. Based on what I saw tonight New Yorkers are starting to look like those in New Orleans.

      Now there is a high chance of cold front and ice/rain/snow early next week.

      If you have relatives or friends with power/food/water then it it time to take some “personal time”.

  46. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid, stupid, stupid!!!!

    Nonunion Ala. crews turned away from Sandy recovery
    Posted: Nov 01, 2012 10:05 PM CDT Updated: Nov 01, 2012 10:48 PM CDT
    By Mark Thornhill – bio | email


    The hurricane-ravaged east coast has been receiving north Alabama help, but crews from Huntsville Utilities learned they’ll be doing work in Long Island, New York instead of in New Jersey.

    Crews from Huntsville, as well as Decatur Utilities and Joe Wheeler out of Trinity headed up there this week, but Derrick Moore, one of the Decatur workers, said they were told by crews in New Jersey that they can’t do any work there since they’re not union employees.

    The crews that are in Roanoke, Virginia say they are just watching and waiting even though they originally received a call asking for help from Seaside Heights, New Jersey.

    The crews were told to stand down. In fact, Moore said the crew from Trinity is already headed back home.

    Understandably, Moore said they’re frustrated being told “thanks, but no thanks.”

    At least Huntsville has now found someone who wants their help.


  47. Bloomber should be shot …
    A marathon? Really? … the Storm … Books: The Long Fall, by Lynn Kostoff … Thanksgiving Night, by Richard Bausch … a couple opera schemes …

  48. @Charlie, Glad to see you made it through the storm unharmed 🙂 I’ve been reading reports of looting, dumpster diving (for food), long gas lines ect. Did anyone get the 7 days worth of warnings about this storm? Even the weather forecasters said power could be out 7 to 10 days. Too busy chanting “hail Obama” or what? Well, let’s throw some salt in the wound. Next week, a Nor’easter will be moving up the coast. I wonder if anyone will bother prepping for the next storm (not likely 🙄 )

    PEACE Brother

    • Did anyone get the 7 days worth of warnings about this storm?

      Gman, you never fail to make a really ignorant comment. Yes, I’m sure everyone was warned about the storm. Perhaps it’s the logistics of city living and the fact that a power outage for 7-10 days compromises pretty much everyone’s ability to be prepared … not to mention houses being torn off their foundations, burned to the ground (I have a friend who lost one of the homes in the Breezy Point inferno). Think about it for two minutes. The people crying for help in Staten Island now are those who lost their homes (whether they stayed in them or not). Not everyone has a place to go (family, etc.). Try and think for more than two seconds about this. 80% of the gas stations have been knocked out of service; that leaves 20% to service the entire area. Had everyone “prepared” with gas cans, the shortage would’ve occurred prior to the friggin’ storm. Think … give it a shot once in a while, my man.

      And for the record, Staten Island is one of the two conservative boroughs in New York … Romney supports all the way … 🙂

      • Wrongo, old foe!

        Preparation for consequences does not start the day before disaster!
        That is the folly, Charlie!

        There was no mystery it was on its way – and yes, if people got the gas cans out early, yeah, the supplies would be flowing as fast as the pumps could push… so what?

        THEY WOULD NOT RUN OUT … because the system is undisturbed.

        They run out when the system is broken.

        But the masses are stupid – they believe in great powers over their head -God, bureaucrats and politicians – to keep them “safe”.

        All but one of the above do not deserve such faith.

        • BF, it’s good to see you remain in that bubble of yours … not an iota of reality shall ever penetrate it. Bravo!

          • Old buddy and punching bag….

            Oh, reality is the reason you need to prepare – it is the irrational fantasy living that most people live within that makes them wait until the power goes out before they think “gee, wonder why…?”

          • Here are some examples of people who were smarter than the masses-brains-thicker-than-bricks:

            Six Letters Re: Hurricane Sandy After Action Reports
            Thursday, Nov 1, 2012

            I’m located in central New Jersey not far from the Delaware River. In the days prior to the hurricane hitting, everyone packed the supermarkets, warehouse clubs and home improvement stores to stock up.

            At the home improvement stores, the people who had best luck getting generators were those who purchased them online and selected in-store pickup. There were lines of people 100+ deep from the front of the store to the back waiting for new shipments of generators to arrive. The only people who were guaranteed anything were those who had already purchased and paid online.

            For those lucky enough to get a generator, they’d have a hard time fueling it if they didn’t already have gas cans and gas stored at home. The shelves were cleared of gas cans days before the storm hit.

            The warehouse club that we are members of sold out of water the day before the storm hit. They normally have pallets of water on shelves up to the ceiling along the length of an entire aisle. That aisle was completely bare. They also sold out of most fruits/and vegetables that could store for a little without power. The displays that normally hold bananas and apples were bare.

            Flashlights and D batteries were gone days before the storm too. The only ones that were left were plug-in rechargeable flashlights that would be of little use after the first discharge in a power outage.

            My sister had luck finding a huge display of batteries at a big chain baby store. Most people went straight to the supermarkets and home improvement stores, not thinking that many other types of stores also kept basic supplies.

            The winds really started to pick up Monday afternoon. There wasn’t much rain, even at the height of the storm, but the winds were very strong. Our house, which is only 4 years old, shuddered a couple of times in the highest gusts. We didn’t sustain any physical damage to the house, but a couple of small trees tilted over but didn’t uproot or break. Some sections of vinyl fencing in our neighborhood blew out and shattered from the force of the wind.

            Sections of our neighborhood started to lose power around 6 PM not long after the hurricane made landfall. Street lights were out and the power to houses across the street were out. From our upstairs windows, we watched the sky glow blue and pink in all directions as transformers blew. Every minute or so another one would blow.

            Finally, around 8:30 PM, we watched a transformer light the sky up for about 30 seconds. When it finally darkened, we and the rest of our neighborhood were out of power.

            I had filled our spare refrigerator in our garage with cases of water and the spare freezer with bags of ice. I also took every empty plastic jug and bottle out of our recycling bins and filled them 3/4 of the way with water and froze them in our main/spare freezers. Every inch of freezer space that wasn’t packed with food was packed with an ice bottle.

            I knew our refrigerator wouldn’t keep food cold long, so we immediately transferred our most critical food (milk for the kids, etc.) into ice filled coolers. The main freezer with most of our frozen food and frozen water bottles was never opened. It stayed perfectly cold until the power came back on, and most of the ice bottles had barely started to thaw. The food in our ice-filled coolers also was fine. We did sacrifice non-critical food that we didn’t have space for in the coolers to the garbage bin.

            We lit the house with long-lasting led lanterns that definitely did the trick. We hunkered around an old battery power radio to keep up with storm news, and gave our two-year old son a spare lantern to play with, which kept him happy. With no power and little news expected until morning, we turned in early (for us) at around 10 PM.

            Our furnace was out and we don’t have a fireplace, so the temperature dropped to the low 60s in our house overnight. It was a little chilly, but we were comfortable enough. We were definitely lucky it wasn’t colder outside.

            By the morning the storm had passed and a family that we are very close friends with down the street had their generator running. We and several of our friends congregated there for the day. They had enough power for their refrigerator, several lights, a tv and cable box, and a power strip for charging phones.

            Although the power was out, the cable stayed on until around noon so we were able to see the first images of storm damage. After the cable went out, most of us switched to our web-enabled smartphones and social media to stay informed and reach out to friends.

            We grilled outside for lunch and dinner, with everyone pitching in food that would go bad if unused. Everyone with spare gas stored was prepared to pitch in whatever they had until the power came back on to keep the generator running. We brought over 10 gallons that wasn’t needed.

            Cell phone service was spotty. People who were subscribers of one the two major cell providers in our area had no problem making/receiving calls and surfing the web. Subscribers of the other major service had a signal, but couldn’t make calls and their data service only worked intermittently.

            The day after the storm, most traffic lights remained out. All gas stations and most stores were closed. One home improvement store opened under emergency power. They only let a limited number of people into the front part of the store where they had set up displays with their remaining emergency supplies (flashlights, batteries, power cords, and a new supply of gas cans). They surprisingly even accepted credit cards. Some other stores we checked out only accepted cash if they were open at all.

            24 hours after the power went out, it came back on for most of our neighborhood. We’re definitely lucky since of the 2/3 of our state that was without power, only about 15-20% of homes had been restored when we were reconnected.

            It was an interesting experience for a day, but something that none of us would have been happy to have continue. We all realized, individually and as a group, what things we were missing that could have made us more comfortable.

            Although we were lucky that our part of the state suffered little more than downed trees and power lines, New Jersey is very small so we all have friends in the hardest hit parts of the Jersey Shore and we are very familiar with the popular vacation spots that have been destroyed.

            I’ve been in contact with friends who live just blocks from the beach who have raised homes and still have standing water lapping at their front doors. A few other friends live in beach neighborhoods that have essentially become islands with bridges, highways and other access roads out of service and surrounded by water. Others left some of the very hardest hit communities before the storm hit and don’t know if their homes are still standing.

            Some neighborhoods devastated by storm surge and flooding are now burning. Along some of the barrier islands, emergency services from the mainland are cut off and fires will likely be left to burn themselves out. Some entire towns are expected to burn.

            There are a lot of people who have lost everything and many who are still in harm’s way. Keep them in your prayers. Thanks, – Brad S.

            I have family from Pennsylvania to Maine. I tried to encourage my family and cousins who I knew would be affected by Sandy to visit me in the mountains of New England, but they were all so sure that they could survive the storm.

            Only one family had a generator. It wasn’t wired into the house, so plenty of extension cords are in use there. The others had nothing at all setup. So I briefed them on filling the tub, freezing extra containers for ice, etc. And all were briefed on staying put during and after the storm.

            Of course, some don’t listen so well. While all survived in some fashion, here is the latest and worse from my cousin on Long Island:

            “Pumping out water all day.
            We had absolutely not a drop of [drinking] water. Storm surge at 830 p.m. and we were seeing it force its way in at the rate of a foot a minute!! I have never witnessed anything like that in my life!
            Scary stuff!!!

            We tried to hold it back just no way hydraulic pressure was just too much.
            Total 10 feet of water. We jumped ship when it got to 6 feet. Then couldn’t get to [deleted for OPSEC]’s house… Every path home and on every road trees were down, we didn’t plan for that. We slept at a friend’s aunt’s house. She welcomed us (dog and all) with open arms and we are total strangers. The walls all cracked assuming will be a total loss.

            We are going to call it quits soon will be back at it again tomorrow. No [phone] service so can’t call our insurance company. Friends are coming from all over to help. No big deal–It is just a material asset. Insurance hopefully covers hurricanes. We are fortunate, as it could’ve been much worse.”

            He was right. They were fortunate. They could have drowned leaving during the night. They could have been injured trying to leave that location to their ‘safe’ house.

            I suspect that the next time they will evacuate in a timely fashion. I doubt that they will ever disparage a prepared mindset again.

            We can’t save folks from themselves.

            I will head into New York and New Jersey when possible to reach them with support. I expect to have to wait until after this coming Tuesday.

            Thank you for your SurvivalBlog site! Regards, – Mike A.

            Good Morning to You!
            Our area of the East coast was spared the worst brunt of the storm. Massive snowfalls to our west, and massive flooding to the east. We were very fortunate.

            We live on top of a hill, and by Monday morning, we had water filling our basement. I went outside with middle son, and we found a deep hole filled with water next to the foundation of our house. We dug a ditch from the edge of the hole far, far away from the edge of the hole and down the hill well past the fall line. I would estimate we dug at least 30 feet of mud. While I dug, my son took the shovels of dirt that I pulled out of the ground and put it back into the hole by the foundation. Once we were finished, we moved the drainage pipe from the gutters so that it, too, fed into the ditch we had dug away from the house. 10 more inches of rain fell over the next 24 hours, but no more of it ran into our basement.

            I understand now what you mean when you say you need to be physically fit! I’m a 40 something mother of three, and my 17 year old son and I put in a good two hours worth of physical work in the driving rain, diverting water away from the house. Maybe insurance would have covered the damage if we hadn’t done the work, but I prefer the effort of digging a ditch in the rain to the effort of clearing a basement of water and carpets and furniture. Best two hours worth of work I’ve ever done, and our house is still in one piece!

            Besides the obvious water and wind damage around here, there is one thing that stuck out more and more: The number of people killed by falling trees. Tall trees close to the house really do need to be trimmed back so that damage is lessened if a tree or limb falls on a house. One gentleman told the story of how he and his father had a conversation on Saturday about how they needed to trim or cut down the tree next to the house. Then on Monday, his father was killed instantly when the tree fell on the house during high winds.

            Peace to you all. – B.L.W.

            The report from Delaware. With the exception of flood prone and some beach front areas we dodged the bullet.

            It was an excellent exercise for our small family. The preparation for with this sort of an event turns on do you stay or leave. Different priorities for equipment supplies and staging following from each of those two choices. However what this storm brought home to us (since we have a shelter in place default ) is that within the shelter in place paradigm is,”suppose that tree falls on your house and you must leave in a hurry anyway’ sub-plan. Since for us in our location Sandy was forecast to be a wind event, this latter sub-plan rose up from the back burner rather forcefully.

            Now, we had to pull out and check the go bags (not seen since last year’s windy scare) marshal water, food rations, range bags (did I restock those mags after the last week) , document case, comms and other take-with items by the door while preparing to deal with prolonged electrical outage (potentially weeks) therefore check generator, water reserves, fuel, etc etc..

            I found that while our shelter in place preps and SOP were fairly well in hand, the “Yikes, we got-a-go now” end was pretty confused. Part of the reason for this is that we really need to have more duplicate gear stashed in the “Go now” configuration, and it was clear from this go round that we ain’t there yet. I also know as I write this that I have all sorts of essential items stowed carefully labeled clearly that I will want to toss in the vehicle, but it will take me days to think through the inventory. Not something to be doing as water is cascading through a rent in the building.

            So I tell you to tell me, “build the list now while it is still fresh.”

            One side note: We were “powerless” for only 8 hours, but as a result I am looking to replace my noisy old Generac (such a headache! The thing just roars. I must be getting old) with newer quieter Yamaha or Honda digital. While researching I found this very useful worksheet for calculating loads on the Yamaha web site.

            Blessings… Pray for the folks in New York City, Connecticut and New Jersey…. They have a long way to come back. – Dollardog

            As per your request for info out of the New York City area: Having grown up in Florida, I kind of knew what to expect. Needless to say, I was well provisioned and my powder, so to speak, was high and dry and at the ready well in advance of Sandy’s final approach…

            My wife and I rode out the storm in our “Brooklyn Bunker,” a fourth-floor apartment in a solid pre-war building. We spent a long night watching for the flashes of transformers exploding in the wind, and darkness encroaching as lights went out in the homes all around us. Luckily, the lights managed to stay on in our neighborhood, and we didn’t lose power once. After the storm passed, we emerged to discover no major damage, some trees down on cars and roofs, limited cell phone service, but that’s about it…

            The same can’t be said for lower Manhattan and parts of Staten Island, though. The six-foot security fence around some rental property I own there came down, right into my truck. A violent storm surge turned most of the coastal communities on the island into what looks like a war zone, with the National Guard deployed to keep order. No working street lights, no stores open, no gas. People are attempting to drive into northern New Jersey to find gas stations that have power, with little luck. Con Edison now says power will be out to 60% of the island for more than a week. My tenants are in the dark with no heat…

            Looking across the East River into Lower Manhattan at night, I am reminded of my time as a journalist in New Orleans during Katrina, where I witnessed another entire American city abandoned, darkened, and brought to its knees by Mother Nature (combined with a healthy dose of human stupidity). The entire subway system here is paralyzed, and along with it commerce, and most of the city’s inhabitants. There are already some rumblings on blogs and other social media platforms about the “lack of government response,” like this one here, but for the most part, people have remained unusually calm and accommodating to each other, at least for New Yorkers.

            As with Katrina, Sandy reminded me of just how fragile the veneer of civilization that most most city-dwellers often take for granted truly is. During the final 24 hours leading up to Sandy’s arrival, lines at every major grocery store in Brooklyn and Manhattan were several blocks long, with hours-long wait times just to enter the stores and clerks taking small groups of people in to shop, just a few at a time.

            Given the mentality of the average city-dweller, the run on grocery stores was to be expected. Perhaps more importantly for the SurvivalBlog readership at large, what’s transpired here over the past 48 hours is nothing short of an amazing exercise in the efficacy of state control circa 2012 (much better execution than what I witnessed during Katrina). I am at once somewhat pleasantly surprised yet shockingly dismayed by just how quickly the authorities were able to shut down and subdue the country’s biggest metropolis. Within a few hours, they were able to – successfully – deploy several thousand National Guard troops, shut down the country’s biggest subway system, 15 major bridges and tunnels, three major airports, and cut power to eight square miles of a world-class city…all with nary a whimper nor major objection from the populace.

            New Yorkers in three major boroughs were – and in the case of Lower Manhattan, still are – effectively cut off from the outside world. Moving forward, most SurvivalBlog readers like myself who either choose or are forced to reside in cities should perhaps (re)consider their long term plans and preparations given the recent tactics on display here in NYC.

            Thanks and best, – KTC in NYC

            Dear Jim:
            Sheeple no more here. Sandy came and went. Our area is Bucks County about an hour north of Philadelphia. We border the Delaware River. Power here went out early and and only came on today.

            I think we weathered it well. I was one of the last minute “run to the store” folks. Bought a gallon of milk. Everything else was in place. As soon as the power went out, I fired up our generator and hunkered down for the 70 MPH winds.

            We did lose a couple of shingles and some aluminum trim on the house. Those unprepared suffered flooded basements, many areas will not have power for a week or more. Lots of trees down, snapped telephone poles, sink holes in the road. The emergency services were running 24 hours for two days. Constant sirens all over the place.

            Where did I come up short? I never got around to getting my ham radio license or programming my Baofeng UV-5R. It would have come in handy to keep in touch with the others in my group. I have some Uniden walkies and they proved worthless.

            At the end of the storm my wife she thanked me for being prepared. Up until this happened she kind of went alone with my “hobby”. Always a little smile on her face. It’s different now.

            What I need to do:

            Get my ham license.
            Run a dedicated electrical line to the crucial items in the house. Pumps, freezer, frig, security lights.
            Replace my burned out chainsaw.
            Read “How to Survive the End of the World as We Know It” for the 12th time and update my (your) lists of lists.

            Take care and God Bless, – M.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      We allow it to continue because many of us have become cynical and do not get involved in politics and DO NOT VOTE.

      By the way, this has happened to “landlords” as well. People who had no idea what was happening inside their buildings.

      If ever there was proof of complete Govt corruption this is it. The Courts have stood behind the Govt in all cases tested so far.

    • Liked this comment:

      “That Law should put every “government” office building in the Nation in jeopardy for all the Illegal activity that has gone on inside them!!!”

  49. If he stopped the ocean from rising four years ago….never mind..

  50. Funny, none of the other cars burst into flames. Glad these weren’t parked at people’s homes during this storm.

    More Than A Dozen Fisker Karma Hybrids Caught Fire And Exploded In New Jersey Port After Sandy

    Approximately 16 of the $100,000+ Fisker Karma extended-range luxury hybrids were parked in Port Newark, New Jersey last night when water from Hurricane Sandy’s storm surge apparently breached the port and submerged the vehicles. As Jalopnik has exclusively learned, the cars then caught fire and burned to the ground.

    Our source tells us they were “first submerged in a storm surge and then caught fire, exploded.” This wouldn’t be the first time the vehicles, which use a small gasoline engine to charge batteries that provide energy to two electric motors, had an issue with sudden combustion.

    The vehicle, despite only being in limited production, has already experienced numerous fires due to equipment failures and electrical shorts. How, exactly, they caught fire after being submerged in sea water is unclear. It’s possible the salt water caused a short that led to a fire.

    Calls to Fisker and the Port Newark Container Terminal have not been returned as of publication time.

    UPDATE: Fisker released the following statement:

    “It was reported today that several Fisker Karmas were damaged by fire at the Port of Newark after being submerged in sea water during Superstorm Sandy. We can report that there were no injuries and none of the cars were being charged at the time.

    We have confidence in the Fisker Karma and safety is our primary concern. While we intend to find the cause as quickly as possible, storm damage has restricted access to the port.

    We will issue a further statement once the root cause has been determined.”


    • V.H.
      Not surprising at all.
      Welcome to chemistry and electricity.

      This is the problem with econuts. They champion certain technologies without regard to the consequences.

      Electric cars -using batteries- are massively dangerous.

      You are a fireman, saving people out of a terrible wreck – you need to cut into the car wreckage to get people out from entangled, twisted steel – and it is an electrical car…with batteries…with amperage 10x more than needed to kill a herd of elephants.

      You are going to cut into the wreckage? With your Jaws-of-Life… which may turn into Jaws-of-Burning-Electrical-Death?

      Going to pour water to dose the fire….and electrocute everyone?

      Now what?

  51. DHS moves to allow oil tankers in Northeast to ease fuel shortage

    Published November 02, 2012

    Associated Press

    The Department of Homeland Security is temporarily waiving some maritime rules to allow foreign oil tankers coming from the Gulf of Mexico to enter Northeastern ports.

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says she is waiving the Jones Act, which prohibits international cargo ships from transporting oil between U.S. ports , until Nov. 13.

    The rule is being temporarily waived to help ease the fuel shortage in the Northeast in the wake of Superstorm Sandy.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/02/dhs-moves-to-allow-oil-tankers-in-northeast-to-ease-fuel-shortage/#ixzz2B5RlSRZy

    Well we can score this as an Obama promise kept, cutting thru red tape. I’m not willing to give him a free pass though since this is the same “rule” that kept BP from hiring the most advanced oil recovery ships to be used in the gulf spill. They are Dutch ships and the Obama administration would not suspend the rules back then. Maybe if it had been close to an election date?

    • Just A Citizen says:


      There is NO oil or “fuel” shortage in the North East.

      So now does that explain DHS’s waiver to relieve the “fuel shortage”?

      • JAC,

        I’m not sure. I think it’s just smoke & mirrors, look we did all we could. But they shut down the NE refineries just before the storm hit & I don’t know if or how many are back up now. Do they have power & what’s the distribution system like? Roads & bridges are kinda important as well as the stations having power. (Damn, wish I had a tanker truck, would rig it to sell directly from & be a mobile gas station, Buck would pay whatever I asked(insert evil laugh)). Also wonder how they are equipped to offload the fuel & if the ports are damaged? What’s the “for want of a?” saying? And if anybody takes them up on this offer, it could be really bad…Round 2? Forecasters predict nor’easter may hit East Coast election day

        Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2012/11/01/round-2-forecasters-predict-noreaster-may-hit-east-coast-election-day/?test=latestnews#ixzz2B5k495Mh

        I do think your advice to Buck was spot on! No power, no work. Staying makes you part of the problem unless you are involved in search & rescue or rebuilding. And Buck, I have a spare bedroom, come on down.(BYOB)

  52. Oh Good Grief-no one’s even won the election yet-and the democrat talking points are already changing.

    Reid says he can’t work with Romney

    By Stephen Dinan – The Washington Times

    November 2, 2012, 12:40PM

    Five days before the election, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has ruled out trying to work with Mitt Romney should he win next week.

    “Mitt Romney’s fantasy that Senate Democrats will work with him to pass his ‘severely conservative’ agenda is laughable,” Mr. Reid said in a statement on Friday, trying to puncture Mr. Romney’s closing election argument that he’ll be able to deliver on the bipartisanship President Obama promised in 2008 but has struggled to live up to.

    Mr. Reid, a Nevada Democrat and a Mormon, like Mr. Romney, has become the Republican presidential nominee’s chief critic this campaign, at one point accusing him of failing to pay taxes — a charge that Mr. Romney has refuted.

    With Democrats appearing poised to keep control of the Senate, a President Romney would have to be prepared to work with Mr. Reid, who would set the upper chamber’s schedule and determine what bills make it to the floor.

    Mr. Reid flatly ruled out following Mr. Romney’s agenda, saying he and his colleagues have already voted down many of those proposals, including House Republicans’ budget, written by Republican vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan.

    “Mitt Romney has demonstrated that he lacks the courage to stand up to the tea party, kowtowing to their demands time and again. There is nothing in Mitt Romney’s record to suggest he would act any differently as president,” Mr. Reid said.

    Mr. Romney has argued over the last week that his experience in Massachusetts working with a Democratic-controlled legislature has left him prepared to work with Congress. He has also vowed to hold regular meetings with congressional leaders to let both sides talk through their issues.

    Mr. Reid challenged Mr. Romney’s memory of Massachusetts, saying he sealed “himself off behind a velvet rope instead of reaching out to build relationships.”

    With a huge agenda awaiting them, and control of Congress likely to be split, the next president will have to find a way to work with both parties.

    Republicans in Congress — and even some Democrats — have criticized Mr. Obama for failing to do that during his first term. The president won passage of his health care law and the 2009 stimulus, but played defense for most of the last two years as Republicans pushed for spending cuts.

    Read more: Reid says he can’t work with Romney – Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/2/reid-says-he-cant-work-romney/#ixzz2B5ZkVNus
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

  53. @ Charlie, While I feel bad for those that lost everything, this event is just another destructive weather event that has been repeated over and over throughout time. You build in a place that can get hit with a hurricane, you take a chance on losing everything. These are not the folks I’m speaking of, it’s the ones who flatly did nothing to prepare, then whine because they are hungry and cold within a couple days.

    We didn’t have the flooding issues as you, but we had the winds and places are still without power here, because the storm came over us after it was done with you. We had meals planned for 10 days, filled up our vehicles with gas, filled our cans for the generator, then picked up some beer and waited. I expected to lose power for awhile, we didn’t. I figured on removing trees from the roads to reach the main roads, that didn’t happen either.

    All them people in line waiting for gas or to get shuttled to work was rather sad. Talk about slaves to their wages. Geez, take a few days off and let things get back to working. But no, many just didn’t understand what NO Power means. You should start a school and offer it to companies, you could make a fortune. The worst part, people died. with this kind of warning, that shouldn’t happen. Mathius says it best “people Are Stupid”. Alot of them have come out of the closet.

  54. @ BF … People in apartment buildings in Hoboken, say 6-12 stories, lose power, plumbing and heat. Should they have each had a generator (whether they could afford them or not/whether they were permitted to or not)? Should they have had a shit tank for waste? Should they have made sure they had an extra room for all the storage? There are about 50,000 people in Hoboken. I’m not sure how many were affected, but I’m positive it wasn’t 6 and/or that they were legally allowed to keep gas in cans in their apartments (probably an effort to not blow their buildings up by accident or otherwise).

    People who lost their homes to the flood or fire … what were they thinking not having generators and waste tanks and extra blankets to stay warm and/or extra food?

    The 110 homes lost on Breezy Point … morons should’ve had extra water to put out the fires during the hurricane.

    The fact most live there for good reasons (jobs, family, etc.), is irrelevant … if you were looking to get a rise out of me, it worked, BF.

    LOI edit. Lets try to play nice guys. You are both better people than this.

    • Ah Charlie, you old blowhard….

      Most did dick all – while preparedness doesn’t solve every problem in a crisis, at least it solves a few – but -hey- you want to sit in an apartment with no power or water and you didn’t plan for that, well, you get the experience of shivering thirst in the dark!

      (LOI edit, BF, kinda creepy gloating sound to this. So all the survivalists you hang with were finely right. Doesn’t change the fact they are weirdo’s 355 days of the year. Have you built you bunker yet?)

      • LOL @ LOI

        Creepy gloating? Nah… sure I feel sad that stupid people suffer – but that is how most people need to learn lessons – they gotta feel the pain themselves. Sad but true.

        Yeah …. we “Be Prepared” folks are weird, no doubt.

        Have a friend whose wife berated him for being a Prepper – he did it anyway, but had to hide it in his basement in places where she wouldn’t have to look at it….

        ….then one day, a big one hit. She said “Oh, ‘THEY’ (you know, the great powers of government) will have it fixed soon”

        …a week later, while dining by fire in the fireplace on their backup food, and, generator humming outside keeping their electrical water pump running… she wasn’t complaining anymore. He admits he got lots of ‘nookie’ that week 😉

        • Sensing avoidance here. Not talking about the bunker are you? You probably have a back-up bunker in case you have any problem with your primary bunker….

          My personal adventures weren’t as pleasure filled as your friends. I had the generator so I’m the one that had overflowing family. They now have generators (didn’t like my company?) I think there is usually a spike in the birth rate after a disaster like this? It is a good way to pass the time & stay warm.

    • Charlie,

      He may be pouring a little too much salt out, but you ought to give credit also. He was the first here to post on preparing for disaster. I was already active, having gone thru long power outages (ice storm). I am also in tornado alley. The homes that burned, looked just like a forest fire, nothing anyone could have done before or after but run. The low areas that lost the draw to the storm surge? I would have had my car gassed and packed just in case. Is it wrong to say that now, today while you & many are enduring tough times? Sorry, not trying to do an “I told you so act”. How about you? How are you today? Have you thought of anything you may do different should there be a repeat?

      “People in apartment buildings in Hoboken, say 6-12 stories, lose power, plumbing and heat. Should they have each had a generator (whether they could afford them or not/whether they were permitted to or not)? Should they have had a shit tank for waste?”

      I’m truly sorry for them & what they are going thru. But I also do not feel responsible for them. They don’t have to have a generator, you can cook on a camp stove. (the sterno one’s are cheap & work well) I fill our bathtubs for drinking water before the serious thunderstorms hit. Stock up on peanut butter, boring but will keep you alive forever. The thing here, too many of them didn’t take any action to prepare. They didn’t think it could or would happen to them. They don’t accept that the government and utilities can’t fix things RIGHT NOW!

      And I’m kinda wondering Charlie, if some of this isn’t anger at yourself? You poke fun at us “righties” all the time. We are all different people living in different states and areas. But nearly all of us have been outspoken on self-reliance instead of government reliance. Is that really so offensive?

  55. NYers: what am I missing here? Why would he do this? Is there some big kickback to Bloomberg? Common sense-wise, image-wise, just can’t even think what good will come from this?


    • The only thing I’ve read that even comes close to a reason-is that they are gonna donate some of the proceeds from the event to the recovery. I’ve also seen where celebrities are making statements about doing benefits for the recovery-and they too are using generators that people need for survival too make their statements. Now I’m all for shows and marathons to help with the recovery, once they take care of those who are in harms way or are suffering but lets use all the assets to help those people FIRST!!

  56. In the days following Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, America’s media elite blasted the former Bush administration for not providing relief supplies to residents who were affected by the storm. With a Democrat in the White House now, however, reporters are saying almost nothing as New Yorkers are being ignored by various levels of government.

    With hundreds of thousands of his own residents are stuck with no power, water, gasoline or food on Staten Island, New York mayor Michael Bloomberg has allowed the annual marathon that runs through the city’s boroughs to continue as scheduled. That decision ought to have set off New York’s media elite but instead, they are actually gearing up to cover the non-essential race and not condemning the city for diverting resources from helping storm victims to prep for the race.

    The New York Post reported earlier today that there are three tractor-trailer-sized electrical generators sitting 24/7 in Central Park in the city devoted solely to providing power to the reporters and camera crews looking to cover the marathon. They are being paid for by the New York Road Runners Club, the private organization which puts on the race. One of the generators, however, is sitting completely idle functioning solely as a backup in case one of the other two generators fails.

    But the generators are not the only things being withheld from Sandy victims. Actual city resources have been taken away from helping them and repurposed to help put on the marathon as the Post reports:

    Meanwhile, sources told The Post precious city resources were also being diverted to prepare for the marathon, including more than a dozen NYPD flatbed trucks taken from disaster-relief work at sites including Breezy Point, Queens, where more than 100 homes burned to the ground.

    The trucks, normally used to carry metal barricades for parades and other events, had been transporting residents hard hit by the storm.

    But they’re all being recalled to get cleaned up so they can bring the barriers that will line the route of the marathon, a police source said.

    “People could still use our help,” the source said. “We’re serving a purpose shuttling them back and forth.”

    Plans call for up to 100 cops from all around the city to deploy the barricades today.

    “You know what this is about? This is all so Bloomberg can stand at the finish line Sunday and tell the world we bounced back,” the source said.

    “But these poor people on Breezy, who knows when and if they will bounce back?”

    Where is the rest of the media on this story? People literally are resorting to dumpster diving in order to find any sort of food for themselves and the City of New York is trying to put on a silly running race?

    New Yorkers are outraged at this decision but a search of the home pages of New York’s local ABC, NBC, and CBS stations and the New York Daily News revealed that only the local CBS affiliate had an actual story about the controversy.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/11/02/after-blasting-government-katrina-response-media-silent-new-york-#ixzz2B62MuaVW

  57. A coalition of pro-energy independence groups continued their “Gas Can Man” campaign yesterday in Ohio, offering gas for $1.84 a gallon, the same cost as when Obama took office.

    The New American Energy Opportunity Foundation (NAEOF) and Morning in America, Inc. kicked off the campaign in Cincinnati and have planned stops in Columbus, Cleveland, Dayton, Akron, Toledo, Youngstown and Zanesville later this week in an attempt to educate Americans on the policies that they say have driven gas prices higher and kept America from obtaining energy independence.

    “The approach of the Obama administration is to continue to shut off our energy resources, keep our prosperity from coming to bear and to push jobs aside and overseas when they should be being created here,” Steve Gill, president of Morning in America, Inc., told The Daily Caller, referencing America’s failure to take advantage of its natural gas, oil and coal resources.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/01/gas-can-man-pays-for-ohioans-at-the-pump/#ixzz2B64loSME

  58. For all you voters out there, here is your analysis of who to vote for:

    • I’ll take Tweedle Dum for 1000 please Alex!

      (be nice to Charlie too. Easy for anyone to talk from a distance. I have no connections out that way but I look at the destruction and just feel sympathy.)

      • Anita: Not to worry about Charlie. We’re doing fine. Some inconvenience was all we suffered. Still some today (power went off for a few hours and just returned). Gas is still an issue but I’m not sweating it. When the stations are back to normal, I’ll fill up. I’m in no rush.

        What LOI edited out of my last post (why BF gets to call me a blowhard, etc.) reminded me of why I consider people using fugazy (fake) monikers big cowards. Now I feel that way more than ever … some of these clowns wouldn’t dare speak to victims of the hurricane (or anybody else) the way they often do here. That requires, at the least, a pair of balls. Obviously, those who use phony names get to be the bad-asses they obviously aren’t. So it goes. Cowards have to live with themselves at the end of the day …

        As to the victims of the storm, LOI’s points are way more invalid than valid. I can’t speak for those living on the coastline itself. I wouldn’t do it, but then again, I couldn’t afford to. I’m not too concerned about the million dollar palaces that were ruined; those people can probably afford the hit via insurance, etc. The others, those who were there for years and living in much more modest homes (living there because of family and/or jobs or both), I do feel for. There’s no preparing for your house being destroyed and/or burned to the ground. I have to assume the cowards here making fun (and they do seem to enjoy other people’s misery—classic Schadenfreude) are poking at others who didn’t have tanks of gasoline and/or places to store them and/or whatever else these cowards seem to assume people living in highly populated areas can keep. I guess the dangers some might fear are irrelevant to these cowards. So be it.

        The bottom line is we’re fine and our hearts go out to those whose lives were pretty much ruined (at least seriously impaired) … there’s no joy at casa Stella when victims of a hurricane in Oklahoma or victims of a Tsunami in Japan, etc. are made fun of by morons and cowards (by the way, I don’t include Gman as a coward because he’s been straight with me–his comments are sometimes a bit cursive, but that’s his right—at least he isn’t a bed wetter).

        I appreciate your thoughtfulness throughout. The cowards … like I said, they have to live with themselves. I can’t imagine being the kind of coward that requires a keyboard and anonymous name to feel tough. Sad. Very sad.

        • Charlie,

          US Weapon started this site with the intention of having a place where you could have a conversation without the personal attacks. I think you & Flag are breaking faith. I edited & tried throwing some humor into the mix. Flag did respond & seemed willing to shift back to friendly banter. Your response is to insult me.

          You call me a coward because I won’t write using my real name. Not many would say that to my face. And I don’t mean I would respond with violence. There are a least a dozen people who would step to my defense without me saying a word. They have seen me risk myself for others. (this includes a fire chief)

          You name calling is the typical tactic of bullies. I gave a thoughtful response & your reply:
          “As to the victims of the storm, LOI’s points are way more invalid than valid. ” So Sterno can’t be cooked with up north? Peanut butter & crackers won’t keep you alive & healthy for weeks? Or you don’t think we should comment on the thousands or millions that did nothing to prepare and are now angry at others for not helping the quick enough? You have not stated a single way in which my points are invalid. Your only point is I’m a coward? OK, great talking withya…

          I think the negative, personal attacks between you & Flag are part of why fewer people come here. No one is interested in seeing petty bickering. That is not what this site is about. As the writer on this page, I think it proper to edit out your comments that do not abide by out hosts guidelines.

          • You call me a coward because I won’t write using my real name. Not many would say that to my face. And I don’t mean I would respond with violence. There are a least a dozen people who would step to my defense without me saying a word. They have seen me risk myself for others. (this includes a fire chief)

            Actually, I didn’t you a coward for your response. I said your responses were more invalid than valid. I call people cowards who make fun of people in dire situations without having the balls to use their real name. Sorry, but if you make fun of people the way BF does (whether it is by insult or otherwise), than you’re a coward the same as he is. I haven’t seen that yet. If you don’t like the way I respond to cowardice, feel free to ban me from here. Trust me, I won’t kill myself.

            You name calling is the typical tactic of bullies. I gave a thoughtful response & your reply:
            “As to the victims of the storm, LOI’s points are way more invalid than valid. ”

            How on earth is that the typical tactic of a bully? Again, I didn’t call you a coward, LOI. (Unless you’re making fun of people in distress. I didn’t see you do that). Your points about sterno, etc, are obviously taken without the consideration of how people in highly populated areas live day to day. We have sterno in our basement, but it was never bought for the storm. It was there leftover from a christmas party. Most people (those in poorer sections of Staten Island, for instance) probably weren’t thinking of sterno. I don’t know why, but I won’t condemn them for it, especially since this is the first time a storm has done this amount of significant damage to their lives. They weren’t as prepared as some of you here “might have been” … so what? Does that make them worthy of scorn? Does that really make them government leaches? Parasites? They were upset at the response because it was clearly dealt along class lines (the more affluent getting quicker relief than the poor). The marathon being canceled was a good sign of a genuine people’s voice … the only people against it were the affluent by the way (and not very many of them willing to say it in public–sort of like anonymous names on a blog).

            So Sterno can’t be cooked with up north? Peanut butter & crackers won’t keep you alive & healthy for weeks? Or you don’t think we should comment on the thousands or millions that did nothing to prepare and are now angry at others for not helping the quick enough? You have not stated a single way in which my points are invalid. Your only point is I’m a coward? OK, great talking withya…

            See above. My only point is that your resolution to the problem was not realistic. No, most people caught by the storm whose homes weren’t completely destroyed (so there goes their sterno, peanut butter and crackers, my friend), probably didn’t think like survivalists on the frontier.

            Great talking with you too, my friend.

            Fewer people probably come here because it’s like banging one’s head against the wall trying to make a point. BF is the most insulting SOB (and coward) I’ve ever come across. He can look me up any time he wants. I can’t do the same. I”d bet dollars to donuts he wouldn’t dare take his Ayn Randism down to STaten Island and poke fun at those poeple. He’d shit his pants even contemplating it, brother.

        • Go ahead..he ignored it anyway! 🙂

  59. My vote for best yard sign this election season! (and thank god it is almost over!)


  60. Just in case you need a refresher course. Geez, I ‘ve been reading and reading this and still haven’t gotten to the end of it:

    Why Was There No October Surprise? Because Every Freakin’ Day for the Last Four Years Has Been an October Surprise

    • You want to have nightmares for four years?

      Obama loses but starts campaigning again for 2016. He is still eligible for a second term.

      Frightening thought eh!!

  61. Report: NAACP Takes Over Polling Station in Houston

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    by Brandon Darby 3 Nov 2012, 2:32 PM PDT 82 post a comment
    Volunteer election poll watchers from True the Vote, the Houston-based nonpartisan election integrity group, are reporting that Houston’s NAACP chapter has taken over an election polling station.

    The full sworn statement of the True the Vote volunteer who claims to have witnessed the event is below:

    Incident Report

    Eve Rockford

    Precinct: 139 Polling location: Acres Home Multi Service

    6719 W. Montgomery Road, Houston, TX 77091 County: Harris

    Poll Supervisor: Rose Cochran

    Asst. Supervisor: Bernard Guskie

    Clerk: Lawrence Simko, Marsha, Franchetta Pines, Dayan Cohen

    Offender: NAACP and Sylvester Turner

    Date and Times: 11/2/2012 2:25 and 5:25

    At 2:25 the NAACP 3 representatives arrived with probably 50 cases of bottled water and began loading them on dollies handing them out to people standing in line. They were talking to them about flying to Ohio to promote Barack Obama. They were stirring the crowd. The crowd was complaining about the lines. It was getting loud. I went to the PJ and let her know that it was not appropriate that they were in the building handing out water. She ignored me. I repeated my statement. She told me that she would handle it. She did nothing. I then went to the AJ and he stood up, walked over to another table and then sat down. I then walked into the waiting room and they were reloading another dolly with more cases of water. The NAACP began hand picking people out of the lines and began moving these people to the front of the line. The people were getting mad and asking why were these people being moved to the front of the line. All of a sudden one of the clerks, Dayan said that someone wanted to speak to me on the phone. It was someone from downtown. I got on the phone and she said she was from downtown and that I needed to stand down that it was ok for the NAACP to be within 100 ft. and they could hand out water. I told her that the NAACP was inside the building, wearing the NAACP clothing and caps and were handing out water and moving people from the lines to the front of the lines. They said, “they are in the building”, let me talk to Dayan. Dayan was told to tell them to turn their clothes inside out. He went to them and instructed them to do that. They told him that they didn’t have to do that and they weren’t going to stop. They didn’t. They moved people to the front of the line for the rest of the evening.

    The PJ and AJ never stopped anything. The NAACP basically ran this poll location and the judges did nothing about it.

    At 5:25 I was asked to assist to go outside to do a curbside vote. I went outside with clerk Mr. Lee. On our way inside Mr. Lee said, “look, Mr. Sylvester Turner is back”. He was standing 10 ft. outside the door talking to voters. The PJ was standing right inside the door talking to the NAACP people. I walked up to her and said, “I want you to know that Mr. Turner is back and is outside talking to voters”. She said nothing. I also went to the AJ and noticed him. He did nothing. Five minutes later the PJ came up to me and said that the voters are complaining that when I do curb side that they said that I am watching what they are voting and that I may be asked to leave. I told her that there is no way that I can see what they are voting since I am standing at the front of their vehicles and it is probably being said because I told you about Mr. Turner. If she would like to speak with Mr. Lee about where I stand, that would be one. Five minutes later, The PJ came to me and said that Mr. Turner would like for me to come outside, he would like to speak to me. I looked at her and said, “Ms. Rose, I am a poll watcher, that is the most ridiculous request I have ever heard”. I turned and walked away.

    I certify and affirm that the above information is true and correct.

    Eve Rockford

    • Now, I have a few questions. Where is the proof beyond her word. Not saying I don’t believe her, but I like a little proof to go with her statement and I don’t understand why I don’t see any. I don’t understand the process-What are these poll watchers supposed to do, if or when they see illegal activities. Surely they don’t just watch and complain, surely there is some type of plan to stop or at the least be able to prove beyond one person’s word.

    • VH, The NAACP are wrongly accused. These are Ayrian nation members dressed up to make the NAACP and Liberals look like cheaters. Don’t worry, the elections are legit and noone cheats 🙄

      • The point is- if this is true- Why aren’t the True the Vote people smart enough to actually prove it. Anytime I hear the dems. complain about unfair practices-they have a gang of attorneys’ on scene. Why doesn’t True the Vote? or any other watcher?

  62. @ Charlie, How is the cleanup coming along? The word I’m hearing is that FEMA is failing miserably again 😦 Not a surprise to me though. Considering the warnings, there are way to many deaths. I can see the destruction part, it was a hurricane. Strangely, there are lots of people still without power up near Cleveland because of Sandy. Cold here today, back to deer hunting tomorrow! 🙂

    • We were without power yesterday into this morning (10:00 a.m. or so). Not sure how the cleanup is. I’m catching up on writing I had to scribble. Trying to decipher that mess is a chore … where is the government when I need them (parasites need translators too, you know) … I will check with TV in a few minutes. today is sunday, right? My Bills will probably lose by 60, give up another 500 yards and then in the post game press conference mention how they have to stick to their game plans and get better with each week … oy vey.

  63. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/when_are_we_gonna_get_some_ing_help_T35TrXo1FCdu7YRBmQkQ8L

    It seems that government is failing those in need, yet again.

  64. People PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are all supposed to be adults-could we at least TRY to act like it.!!!!

    If you guys won’t to have a childish back and forth name calling fight-I have a suggestion-trade E-mails. Have your tit for tat in private. And leave your actual talking points on here.

    • And thanks for making my point, V.H. Go Bills!

      • I don’t agree with your point 🙂 so I’m sure, I didn’t make it for you. BF can quite easily open a gmail account without giving away his personal information to you or anyone else.

        Personally, I think giving out your personal email to everyone is not a very good idea!!! And I didn’t intend for you or BF to do so.

        There may well be some traditional tests of manhood, but giving out your personal information to the masses on the internet isn’t one of them. 🙂

        • BF can quite easily open a gmail account without giving away his personal information to you or anyone else.

          Remember now, you’re the one calling him a COWARD this time. 🙂

          • Charlie & Flag

            I’ve deleted your emails for you protection. As US has said, this site gets hit with spamers and such that it’s best to avoid. If you re-post, I’ll assume you want it to stay up.

            • Thank you LOI… That was a wise move with spammers hitting the site hard every day.

              Plus… things were getting a little out of hand. If politics makes someone that angry, perhaps they should refrain from discussing politics. I don’t want SUFA blamed for a heart attack!

  65. I think the last two horrible storms have proven that the governent may be able to help us but that help is Slow. Maybe it shouldn’t be, maybe it can’t be helped. But it is the way it is!

    So the truth is everyone should do everything they CAN to prepare because it may take the government a couple weeks or more to get to you, and you are the one who is going to suffer.

    This isn’t an insult to people who are suffering, it is simply good advice. If all those who can-do-then they can take care of themselves and help take care of their neighbors. The more who aren’t in terrible shape right after a terrible event because they are prepared leaves more of the resources to go to those who for WHATEVER reason don’t have any supplies. They need their Neighbors to be there to help. This isn’t being judgemental it is simply common sense, it is merely facing reality.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      This effort is running pretty smooth so far at the Federal Level. None of the large glitches like Katrina and Rita. I am told it is quite impressively positive compared to those other events. The short report was “they learned from their mistakes and most now are pretty small”.

      As I said to Gman below, the rescue operations can only go so fast over such a large area. Planning calls for people to survive on their own for 4 to 5 days. This is State/County/City responsibility to get this to the citizens. Also to know what the priorities are fore Search and Rescue following an incident.

      Adequate preparation does not require “generators” nor having a bunch of gasoline stored, but does require some planning and short term preparation.

      It also requires people to take mandatory evacuations seriously and LEAVE when told.

      The problems we see and hear about are real but largely due to EXPECTATIONS that are completely divorced from reality.

      That and POLITICS………people making issues so they can blast the other guy.

    • No one said they SHOULDN’T PREPARE, VH. That was never the issue. The issue, at least for me, has been the scorn levied at those who fell victim to the hurricane in whatever fashion. How does one prepare for a 110 houses burning to the ground (Breezy Point) during a hurricane? A friend of mine lost his house there. How does one prepare for their house being swept off its foundation and dragged half a mile from where it used to be? How does one prepare for a 7-10 day loss of power on the 8th floor of an apartment building, where they can’t even use their toilets? And how about the elderly who lost their medicines? Handicapped people, single working mothers, etc.?

      Those who lost their lives from refusing to evacuate, yes … that was a bad choice (not evacuating) and they are responsible for their loss. But those who did and didn’t die, or those who returned to destroyed homes … how are they to blame? Those going hungry and cold who have returned to try and find some of what they lost … are they at fault too for being hungry and cold? Where exactly were they supposed to store their sterno, peanut butter and crackers? Might those provisions have been swept away with their homes (or burned in the fires)? Sterno, peanut butter and crackers? Really?

      One can choose to look at this one of two ways, it seems to me: The Ayn Randers can point to personal responsibility and claim any government help is evil and a rape of their sweat of the brow earnings; that pointing to what I have above is all “emotional” and therefore irrational. And that’s a great way to justify their philosophy, which essentially is: fuck them (the victims), it sucks to be them and it’s great to be me.

      And then there is the other way to look at it: There but for the grace of God go I. Government can and does and should help those in need, and our collective betterment is best served by helping one another (whether through government or private charity–although I find it hard to believe that those who belittle victims would actually contribute to their aid). It seems to me there was a bit of joy expressed here in being “right” about the “unpreparedness” of the victims (never taking into account the realities of city/shore life; to include the economics and lifestyle (as in it hasn’t been frontier for their entirety of most of their lives), etc.

      The good thing about all of this is the following: There are way more of us than the Ayn Randers and it’s only a matter of time (however long it takes) before the shoe is on the other foot. Minorities will soon be the majority in the US&A and sooner or later, and those at the bottom of the heap (to include whites trying to survive the economics of an economic system that has doomed them into poverty) will take power from those who scoff at them. And then it’ll be a beautiful thing. I may not live to see it, but I’ll cheer it on to the day I die.

      In the meantime, anyone who makes fun of those people who were devastated by this (or any other) natural disaster, I suggest they climb out from behind their keyboards and go down to the one of the affected areas and tell those victims to their face all the scorn they seem to have. Now that would be interesting.

      But how can anyone expect that of people hiding behind fugazy names? Right, it’s not gonna happen. We used to call punks who made fun and/or threatened people over the phone “telephone tough guys.” Now they have keyboards. Bottom line: both are punks and cowards and/or both. Chicken-shits … pussies … yellow … take your pick.

      I wonder how many of the same cowards thought the people swept away in the Tsunami in Japan were unprepared and therefore leaches waiting for government handouts? Many of them lived on a coastline also. Imagine, people expecting help from a government they’ve helped support their entire lives just because they lost everything in a natural disaster? How emotionally inconsiderate (sarcasm intended).

      • Hey Dumbo.

        The point is, most didn’t prepare at all – zero. Waited until the last hour, then figured they should buy a case of water just in case… that’s about it.

        There is no “scorn” on those whose home were lost – those things are chance and everyone suffers when your home burns down, but again, in your style, you fluff and spew about these things as if it was germane to the question of preparedness.

        It’s like saying “See got hit by a car! All that food storage didn’t help ya, did it!” and using that as a way to dis the Prepp’rs. Such a thing, as you usually do, is irrational and stupid.

        There are a thousand resources that assist in dealing with power outages for long terms, no matter where. But you have never looked nor investigated it.

        You want it delivered on a silver platter for you in a nice cardboard box that says “Open here, if you are were so stupid to wait to the last minute, and this will save your ass”

        All of the issues of power, water, food – etc. has all been thought out – do you really believe this is the first disaster people have dealt with?

        The problem is people, like you, ignore the knowledge. You do nothing. For whatever bizarre reason it just never penetrates your brain that disasters strike – the point of disasters is that they do not call years ahead for you to get your act together.

        You have to act NOW, while there is no threat to prepare for a threat.

        It is not a matter of blame – it is a matter of consequences. You acted one way, and this is the cost – loss of property, suffering, lacking or you act another way, and this is the cost – putting good money into stuff you may never use. Most choose #1 – well, congrats you got that consequence this time.

        You observations are fine – your call for more nanny state is irrational. Government is always reactionary – cops investigate your murder, but cannot prevent it. FEMA et al meander in at their own time scale, with their own priorities (not yours) in hand and ignore you.

        The question is – did you learn?

        Reading this from you, – nope, you are so too into your mental tornado that you think it is the ghost of Ayn Rand that is your problem – you do not take responsibility for what you suffered – it is someone or something else.

        Thus, next time – you’ll do the same thing.

        You are nothing but a whimpering school yard bully, Charile – but guess what, this ain’t a school yard. Your imbecilic attitude makes me laugh.

        Grow up, kiddo.

      • Did you find any hidden message of joy in my words Charlie? Because I promise you there is no joy in this situation. And I didn’t hear any on this site. Do you ever think that maybe, just maybe , you over re-act? Have you ever thought, Charlie, that maybe your strong disagreement on how our society should run-your strong disagreement with most of us personally on these matters causes you to look at us as a little less than human. Because you may be all angry about some of the comments -but I find that I am a little angry about all your assumptions.

  66. Just A Citizen says:


    FEMA is NOT failing. The complaints you see and hear show the ignorance about what it is FEMA does and how RESCUE and RECOVERY operates.

    The local planning calls for the citizens to be prepared for 4 to 5 days isolation on their own, before help arrives.

    If citizens do not know this or did and are not prepared for this, then they have no one to blame but their local officials and/or themselves.

    • JAC,

      I know NY has gotten billions since 9/11. I think the North East has the largest amount invested in disaster preparedness compared to all other regions of the US.
      First, is that accurate?
      Second, given the slow response, does this not show you cannot really “prepare” for a disaster of this scale. You can stage resources, make plans, but you cannot cheat time. It takes time to react. It takes time to repair what nature destroys. No short-cuts.
      Third, isn’t the media downplaying people’s outrage at perceived slow gov. response?

      • Just A Citizen says:


        I don’t know the dollars spent in any particular part of the country. I would expect more in the NE and on the West Coast because those states are wealthy and the States have much of the preparedness RESPONSIBILITY.

        All levels of Govt have LEARNED from prior mistakes and problems. So it gets better each time, IF and only IF the next disaster has similar characteristics.

        I do not agree necessarily that response has been slow. That is more about misunderstanding of what is supposed to happen and how fast. But you are correct in one thing.

        The nature of the disaster dictates how fast. Flooding, streets filled with not only trees but debris from houses and sand blocks search and rescue and then recovery.

        On the media, I think just the opposite. It seems the media has been looking for angry people and sob stories from the second day onward. This is NOT due to politics as much as evidence of how corrupt our media has become. They want to DRIVE the story rather than report the story.

        I will grant one thing, however. They seem to be hell bent on supporting the Narrative that Mr. Obama was a “Great Leader” during this. But since the POTUS gets blame when agencies fail I guess they should get credit when they succeed. Their success, however, has little to do with Mr. Obama. It in fact started under Mr. Bush.

  67. Just A Citizen says:

    Some lessons on “campaign reform laws”.

    Written by Rob Natelson on 02 November 2012

    Montana has something to teach the nation about campaign finance “reform.” Unfortunately, it’s a negative lesson.

    Montana has a long history of adopting restrictive campaign laws. But such laws often violate citizens’ rights of free speech, as protected by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. They also can be ways of manipulating the electoral process to benefit some interests at the expense of others. Not surprisingly, therefore, the courts have voided many of them.

    The Montana story goes back to 1912, when voters approved a measure banning corporations and corporate officers from a range of political activities. Some claim the measure was designed to respond to corporate corruption. Maybe so. But, then again, maybe not. Apparently, the real effect of the measure was to expand the power of the Anaconda Company within Montana. This is because Anaconda could exercise influence through its newspapers and its employees, while other corporations were essentially gagged.

    The courts gradually have chipped away at the 1912 measure. In a widely-publicized case earlier this year, the U.S. Supreme Court voided more of it. American Tradition Partnership v. Bullock (2012).

    There have been other instances over the course of Montana history. For example, in 1996 liberal interests convinced the voters to prohibit corporations from defending themselves during initiative campaigns. The idea, apparently, was to prevent companies from responding to an anti-mining initiative planned for 1998. The federal courts court struck down the restriction in Montana Chamber of Commerce v. Argenbright (2000). But the ruling came too late for mining companies to defend themselves fully. The anti-mining initiative passed narrowly.

    Still another Montana anti-free speech statute forbids political parties from participating in elections for state judges. Whatever the intent of this law, the effects are clear: With political parties silenced, contributions from the plaintiffs’ trial bar exercise an out-sized influence on Montana judicial elections. And because the law prevents parties from stating their case, it helps keep voters ignorant about the records of sitting judges.

    In September, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit invalidated this measure also. The case was Sanders County Republican Central Committee v. Bullock.

    One of Montana’s most pernicious campaign regulations is a statute imposing very low limits on individual contributions to state candidates. Whatever the purported reasons for this restriction, as a former statewide Montana candidate, I’m personally aware of its real effects:

    * By limiting the money challengers can raise, the measure benefits incumbents and other insiders. This is because established figures have access to workers, media, and networks that aren’t counted in the contribution limits.

    * The measure gives disproportionate political power to union leaders, who dispense contributions of the kind not subject to the limits.

    * The low contribution limits force candidates to spend a great deal of time on fund-raising rather than getting their messages out—again, a particular hardship for political outsiders, who don’t enjoy the media access enjoyed by incumbents and those favored by the state’s newspapers.

    * The low contribution limits render it extremely difficult to respond to last-minute rumors and attacks. When faced with such an emergency, the candidate can’t turn to his best supporters for media money. They have already “maxed out.”

    Last month, in the case of Lair v. Murry, a U.S. District Judge voided Montana’s low contribution limits. But the case is being appealed, and pending appeal the ruling is on hold.

    Montana represents an extreme example, but its history illustrates two lessons about campaign finance regulation: First, a campaign “reform” measure can be manipulated to benefit some people at the expense of others. Second, advocates who honestly hope their “reforms” will improve the situation soon learn about unintended consequences.

  68. FEMA is not and never has been intended for rescue. That is NOT their function.

  69. Some conviviality…..


    One year, I decided to buy my mother-in-law a cemetery plot as a Christmas gift…
    The next year, I didn’t buy her a gift.
    When she asked me why, I replied,
    “Well, you still haven’t used the gift I bought you last year!”
    And that’s how the fight started…..


    My wife and I were watching Who Wants To Be A Millionaire while we were in bed.
    I turned to her and said, ‘Do you want to have Sex?’
    ‘No,’ she answered. I then said,
    ‘Is that your final answer?’
    She didn’t even look at me this time, simply saying, ‘Yes..’
    So I said, “Then I’d like to phone a friend.”
    And that’s when the fight started…


    I took my wife to a restaurant.
    The waiter, for some reason, took my order first.
    “I’ll have the rump steak, rare, please.”
    He said, “Aren’t you worried about the mad cow?”
    “Nah, she can order for herself.”
    And that’s when the fight started…..


    My wife and I were sitting at a table at her high school reunion, and she
    kept staring at a drunken man swigging his drink as he sat alone at a nearby table.
    I asked her, “Do you know him?”
    “Yes”, she sighed,
    “He’s my old boyfriend…. I understand he took to drinking right after we
    split up those many years ago, and I hear he hasn’t been sober since”
    “My God!” I said, “Who would think a person could go on celebrating that long?”
    And then the fight started…


    When our lawn mower broke and wouldn’t run, my wife kept hinting to me
    that I should get it fixed. But, somehow I always had something else to take
    care of first, the shed, the boat, making beer.. Always something more
    important to me. Finally she thought of a clever way to make her point.
    When I arrived home one day, I found her seated in the tall grass, busily
    snipping away with a tiny pair of sewing scissors. I watched silently for
    a short time and then went into the house.. I was gone only a minute, and
    when I came out again I handed her a toothbrush. I said, “When you finish
    cutting the grass, you might as well sweep the driveway.”
    The doctors say I will walk again, but I will always have a limp.


    My wife sat down next to me as I was flipping channels.
    She asked, “What’s on TV?”
    I said, “Dust.”
    And then the fight started…


    Saturday morning I got up early, quietly dressed, made my lunch, and
    slipped quietly into the garage. I hooked up the boat up to the van, and
    proceeded to back out into a torrential downpour. The wind was blowing 50 mph, so I
    pulled back into the garage, turned on the radio, and discovered that the
    weather would be bad all day. I went back into the house, quietly
    undressed, and slipped back into bed.. I cuddled up to my wife’s back, now with a
    different anticipation, and whispered, “The weather out there is terrible.”
    My loving wife of 5 years replied, “And, can you believe my stupid husband
    is out fishing in that?”
    And that’s how the fight started…


    My wife was hinting about what she wanted for our upcoming anniversary.
    She said, “I want something shiny that goes from 0 to 150 in about 3 seconds.”
    I bought her a bathroom scale.
    And then the fight started……


    After retiring, I went to the Social Security office to apply for Social Security.
    The woman behind the counter asked me for my driver’s License to verify my age.
    I looked in my pockets and realized I had left my wallet at home.
    I told the woman that I was very sorry, but I would have to go home and come back later.
    The woman said, ‘Unbutton your shirt’.
    So I opened my shirt revealing my curly silver hair.
    She said, ‘That silver hair on your chest is proof enough for me’ and she
    processed my Social Security application..
    When I got home, I excitedly told my wife about my experience at the Social Security office…
    She said, ‘You should have dropped your pants. You might have gotten disability, too!’
    And then the fight started…


    My wife was standing nude, looking in the bedroom mirror.
    She was not happy with what she saw and said to me,
    “I feel horrible; I look old, fat and ugly.
    I really need you to pay me a compliment.’
    I replied, “Your eyesight’s damn near perfect.”
    And then the fight started……..

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Good morning Colonel.

      Hope all is well in the Republic this fine day.

      Our cold wet weather has been followed by unseasonable WARM weather, still wet.

      This should make for interesting collisions as the warm chases the cold across the country. Oh and another cold wave coming on shore right behind the warm one.

      Re: FEMA. The public’s lack of understanding about FEMA is understandable. I continue to be baffled by how the Media and Politicians remain just as ignorant. So much so it must be deliberate.

  70. In a previous dialogue regarding gasoline prices, the questions debated was what affected the price.

    Gasoline prices post biggest fall in nearly 4 years: survey

    One of the things I pointed out was how very close supply/consumption curves are in gasoline – a small change in demand has a very close and immediate impact on price.

    The price fall was due to the storm – a large population were essentially stopped from travel, and their gasoline purchases were not made – resulting in a glut for the rest of the nation – lowering the price.

  71. Day before elections, what are your predictions?

    Mine, Obama in a landslide 55%

    • A Puritan Descendant says:

      Romney 52%

    • DIIK (Damned If I Know)
      If you look at issues, Romney should win in a landslide, economy, foreign policy has been a bust for Obama. Social issues, Obama has appeased most of his base.
      If you follow the narrative the MSM is putting up, you think Obama has done OK to very well. I think the biggest factor will be Obama supporters from 2008 feeling apathy. He has not improved their lives. Unemployment is highest for young, black males. Gas & food prices are up, hurting the poor more than any other sector.

      Looking at the damage & response to Sandy, it will be difficult for many in NY, NJ and other states to vote. If voting is a hardship, who will feel most strongly to expend the effort to do so? I think Romney could even win some blue states as well as the battle ground states. NJ Democrats may give a win to NJ Republicans because Obama did not keep the waters from rising….And they have a N’Easter to prepare for!

      • “So what, polls are the best thing we have!” Or “what else can we use?” Well, it turns out that there actually is a better way to predict presidential election results. A rather obscure university model has proven to be far more reliable than public polling — or pretty much any other model. Developed by two University of Colorado (CU) political science professors, Kenneth Bickers of CU-Boulder and Michael Berry of CU Denver, this analysis method has proven amazingly accurate at correctly projecting Electoral College results on a state-by-state basis covering an amazing 30 years and eight presidential elections.

        Their most recent analysis, released October 4th, projects that Romney will receive 330 of the total 538 Electoral College votes (five votes more than their August prediction). President Barack Obama is expected to receive 208 votes; well short of the 270 needed to retain the presidency. A University of Colorado press release explains:

        The key is the economy, say political science professors Kenneth Bickers of CU-Boulder and Michael Berry of CU Denver. Their prediction model stresses economic data from the 50 states and the District of Columbia, including both state and national unemployment figures as well as changes in real per capita income, among other factors.

        “Based on our forecasting model, it becomes clear that the president is in electoral trouble,” said Bickers, also director of the CU in DC Internship Program.

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/polls_schmolls_–_theres_a_better_way_to_predict_presidential_election_results.html#ixzz2BN2nvQXk

    • Flagster 🙂 This is a tough one to call. There are so many sheeple that believe his bullshit, and even more who want their Government cookies, Obama could win just on that. The “Gimmee-Gimmee” group could finally finish off this country as we know it. I also think that the media all claiming Obama in a landslide is just Bulldookie too. They are just trying to remove the enthusiasm from the anti-Obama crowd.

      Romney will win because he is not Obama. Obama has been a complete failure as President, in all aspects. I would like to see anyone argue against that fact 🙂

      Since the election is rigged anyway, the elites will remove Obama because of his Green Energy crap. They don’t like him messing with their oil money.

      Romney will win in a landslide because Obama has shown his true racist pig side of him that he tries to hide. “Vote for Revenge” Really? Don’t like white folks much do ya?

      Let the riots begin! Burn down your neighborhoods and businesses. Act like animals because you are afraid of losing your free government cookies. Sucks to be that stupid, but you are who you are. Kiss your entitlements goodbye, freeloaders 😆

      • A Puritan Descendant says:

        Gman, I had decided to not bother to vote, that was until I heard Obama’s remark “Vote for Revenge”. That fired me up! I will be voting for sure now! I am fed up with the racist crap and all the slavery/native american guilt trips placed on people who have nothing to do with it. Obama’s remark belong’s to a child.

        • Oh, I’m definitely voting for revenge!

          • A Puritan Descendant says:


            • What is so funny is the end is the same – you are the one who is going to pay through the nose regardless!

              What a tactic – by saying some off-the-cuff remark, you create a ground swell of votes that would not be made – ensuring the system continues ever more unchanged – and the people think they are “jabbin’ the man” while merely confirming him!

              • A Puritan Descendant says:

                Sri Flag, I am not made of Gandhi qualities. The President had a couple days after the storm to maybe help people forget who he is. He was doing well until his Revenge comment reminding us all what is in his heart.

        • APD, I think the “revenge” comment is what he would like to accomplish. As a Community organizer in Chicago, he dealt with poor black communities. I’m feeling that he wants everyone to live that way to see what it’s like to be “black in America”. While I could be off base on this, that is how I have perceived his words. Any comments from anyone else on this subject?

          • He didn’t do jack for any poor black families in Chicago. His woman shipped them from her elite hospital to free clinics in the alleys. He himself doesn’t know what it’s like to be black in America. He’s been pampered since the choom days. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

  72. Just A Citizen says:


    RE: “What are these poll watchers supposed to do, if or when they see illegal activities.”

    Election Judges are trained by the County Clerk and are responsible for signing people in, making sure ballots are filed properly and that voters are recorded.

    There is usually someone in charge of each election location that has responsibility for enforcing ALL rules. But the “judges” deal with the sign in, vote and sign out. They are supposed to catch discrepancies in signatures, problems with ID, etc. and to issue “Provisional Ballots” when appropriate.

    Poll “Watchers are people assigned by a group, generally a political party, that simply watch the judges and the Supervision. They usually report discrepancies or problems to the Supervisors and then to their Party Coordinator. This person then prepares formal charges and submits them to the Clerk for resolution.

    So if the precinct voting location is controlled by One Party and the judges and supervisor come from that party, you can get situations where bad behavior in favor of THAT party is over looked or ignored.

    Now my “caveat” in all this is that each State is different and not all local practices are the same within States. But I think the process is pretty similar, just the names of “positions” may change.

    What most people DO NOT realize is that our elections are run pretty much by VOLUNTEERS. So GUESS WHO THE VOLUNTEERS ARE!! That’s right. They are the politically active and are recruited from within the various political parties.

    • I look at this situation and frankly, I see a watcher who was unable to stop the illegal activity, I see one woman giving a statement. One person on the left saying this happened to support Romney-would not be enough evidence to convince me. So one woman saying it about Obama supporters isn’t enough proof either.

      So my frustration-this kind of thing needs to stop-how do we do that-so our elections will be credible. What else could the woman do? Call the media, call the cops. There needs to be away to stop this crap. What good is it to have a Watcher-if they can’t stop the illegal activity? Or at least prove it occurred.

  73. Shoot while you wait: Alabama GOP plans election night party at gun range

    Published November 05, 2012

    Associated Press

    HOOVER, Alabama – Alabama Republicans plan to hold their election night party at a gun range, where participants will be able to shoot a few rounds as returns come in.

    The state Republican Party is inviting supporters to the 52,000-square-foot Hoover Tactical Firearms for a “victory party” Tuesday night.

    The suburban Birmingham business sells firearms and it has ranges where people can shoot their own guns or guns that are available for rent.

    A party announcement says the shooting ranges will be available for two hours during the election event. There will also be a band and an appearance by Miss Alabama.

    Loaded guns will be allowed only on the firing range and a party spokeswoman says drinking won’t be allowed while people are shooting.

    Republicans are expecting GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney to easily carry Alabama.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/05/shoot-while-wait-alabama-gop-plans-election-night-party-at-gun-range/?test=latestnews#ixzz2BMoSbcc7

    • Cool.. Obama targets?

      • Secret Service would love that one….in other news,

        A National Security Hybrid
        By Lee DeCovnick

        B.H. Obama has issued 139 executive orders since becoming president. Some are fairly benign; many are deeply troubling, specifically as to the wholesale consolidation of emergency powers into the office of the presidency. The newest executive order is a breathtaking assault on entire sections of Constitution and the rights, freedoms, and liberties of all Americans, carefully hidden within the stultifying and banal language of bureaucratic doublespeak.

        On October 26, 2012, eleven days before our national election, with tropical depression Sandy bearing down on thirteen East-Coast states and the Libyan disaster still a smoking morass of obfuscation, cover-ups, and unanswered questions, the White House’s Friday news dump included EO 13629. Titled “Establishing the White House Homeland Security Partnership Council,” this EO should chill the freedom-loving souls of all Americans.

        Not surprisingly, the MSM has not mentioned EO 13629 — not anywhere. No mention in the NY Times, the Washington Post, or on any of the alphabet news and cable networks. The blogosphere, liberal and conservative (except Hannity), has had almost no mention of EO 13629. This EO was purposefully buried by the White House and ignored by the alternative press.

        Have I got your attention? Then I’ll invite you to leave American Thinker for a couple of minutes and read the EO for yourself (only 1,232 words), and then return here.

        All right, show of hands — who almost fell asleep digging through the tons of gravel to find the nasty gems? Yeah, me too. It takes a very close reading of this EO to understand what is actually going on here.

        Let’s first look first at paragraph three:

        The National Security Strategy emphasizes the importance of partnerships, underscoring that to keep our Nation safe “we must tap the ingenuity outside government through strategic partnerships with the private sector, nongovernmental organizations, foundations, and community-based organizations. Such partnerships are critical to U.S. success at home and abroad, and we will support them through enhanced opportunities for engagement, coordination, transparency, and information sharing.” This approach recognizes that, given the complexities and range of challenges, we must institutionalize an all-of-Nation effort to address the evolving threats to the United States.

        A couple of things stand out. The EO quotes “The National Security Strategy,” an Orwellian document released by the White House in May of 2010 that advocates, in so many words, the end of American sovereignty and the ascendancy of a U.N.-based “transnational government.” It’s most famous line includes “We are now moving beyond traditional distinctions between Homeland and National Security.”

        What to make of the line “… we must institutionalize an all-of-Nation effort to address the evolving threats to the United States”? What an eerie phrase: “all-of-Nation.” A Google search shows that phrase was also used in the “National Strategy For Biosurveillance,” a tyrant’s Christmas wish list, that was a July 2012 White House document, and Presidential Policy Directive 8, a FEMA directive on National Preparedness from March of 2011. Odd and troubling coincidences, to say the least.

        Bottom line: the National Security Strategy encourages partnerships with non-governmental organizations, foundations, and community-based organizations. Got it.

        So what exactly is the EO plan for these partnerships?

        There is established a White House Homeland Security Partnership Council (Council) to foster local partnerships — between the Federal Government and the private sector, nongovernmental organizations, foundations, community-based organizations, and State, local, tribal, and territorial government and law enforcement — to address homeland security challenges.

        The actionable clause: “to address homeland security challenges.” We’ll get to the chest-beating 900-pound gorillas in the room in a moment, but two significant items immediately demand our attention.

        Did you notice that “homeland security” was not capitalized? It is usually referred to as the “Department of Homeland Security.” The usage in the EO of homeland as noun, but not a proper noun, is not a mistake. Yellow-highlight that line; we will return to it later. Also, the nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) are not specified as necessarily being of American origin or even of a pro-American outlook. They could also refer to foreign NGOs, as these are prominent progressive political activist groups that are strongly supported by the American-hating Byzantine bureaucracies of the U.N. and EU.

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/a_national_security_hybrid.html#ixzz2BNdBFnde

  74. Charlie..hate on this guy for a while.
    Mayor Bloomberg has snubbed Borough President Markowitz’s impassioned plea to bring the National Guard to Hurricane Sandy-scarred Brooklyn — arguing that approving the Beep’s request would be a waste of federal manpower and turn the borough into a police state.

    “We don’t need it,” Mayor Bloomberg said on Wednesday during a press update on the city’s ongoing Hurricane Sandy cleanup. “The NYPD is the only people we want on the street with guns.”

    S T U P I D !

    But here’s a good article :
    Obama, the Virtual Challenger

  75. Anniversary of Ft. Hood attack. Err, no wait, not an attack, just some random workplace violence stuff. I guess it could be considered similar to Benghazi. Just dangerous places.


    • Just A Citizen says:



      Whittle sure does have a gift of speaking his mind.

      Reference to my long comment below. Notice how his brand of Conservatism did not include a list of “Social Issues”.

  76. Todd says:
    November 3, 2012 at 9:28 am

    So are you now a supporter of a “Smart Grid”?

    How would these changes, meant to alleviate congestion, have made a difference with the storm damage?

    You’ve posted in the past that the “Smart Grid” is more susceptible to storm damage?

    If this was such a great plan, why didn’t Bush use his LEADERSHIP to get it passed and implemented?

    Brought from above. Sorry I missed this Todd, wasn’t intentional ignore. No, I am not now in favor of smart grid. Most especially the part with smart meters that only save power by forcing you to change you use habits. I think the best way to address power would be to build more power plants closer to where the power is used. Remember about half of the electricity is lost due to the length of the transmission lines. Natural gas would be the ideal choice thanks to fracking. The article above credits Bush with this proposal. Remember, he got us into two wars & that prescription drug program, no child left behind…..

  77. Dispatch from NJ: Private Citizens, Businesses Providing Aid in Government’s Stead

    by Liberty Chick 5 Nov 2012, 1:08 PM PDT 11 post a comment
    New Jersey is still reeling from Hurricane Sandy. The politicians and celebrities have come and gone, but residents still struggle for basic necessities. One thing I’m learning first hand is that our best hope here in NJ is the generosity and help of other people and of private enterprise.

    Some here have lost everything — their homes and their loved ones — while others remain without heat and power. Temperatures have been in the low 30s and a Nor’easter is now on its way for Wednesday that is expected to knock out power to areas still recovering. Heat is of the utmost concern. As of this morning, nearly half the state remains without power — in my county alone, only 37 percent of homes have had power restored. JCP&L, the local electric company, estimates that many homes’ power may not be restored until next week.

    I was lucky enough to have my power restored just yesterday (for now, at least). A week without heat and electricity will teach you how much we take things for granted. You spend the days figuring out ways to get more food and supplies and, most of all, trying to keep warm. No matter how prepared you are in advance, needs will arise. Ice melts during the day and food spoils, batteries and firewood run out, and information is hard to come by. A local radio station, NJ 101.5, has been the primary lifeline here in the state to find out what’s going on. Without regular internet, there’s been no way to visit websites to find Red Cross locations, private shelters, where you can get gas, or where to get ice to stop food from spoiling.

    In the entire week that I was without power, I was surprised that not a single official or volunteer from my town or county came to knock on doors and check on people. I have friends and family in nearby towns, and they’ve also heard from no one. There are frequent reports on the radio that shelters are providing food and supplies, but many cannot get to such locations. Neighbors might check on each other, but they’re all in the same boat when it comes to basic necessities. When a disaster this catastrophic hits an entire state, the help needs to be brought to the people.

    If you are lucky enough to have a cell phone and a car with some gas in it to charge it (as I was), you can occasionally get text messages out to people or get onto social media sites like Twitter to communicate. Even that has been spotty.

    One thing I’ve learned from this experience is that government is not prepared for things like this. People have been left in the cold and the dark, hearing nothing from the local government. While I appreciate the leadership Governor Christie has displayed during this crisis, he was right about one thing: it’s people helping people that will save NJ, not government.

    I was overwhelmed this week by the outpouring of support from folks online. Some of them were people I know in real life, some I’ve only known online. Throughout the week, on the occasion that I was actually able to access Twitter, people who knew of my situation checked in regularly. They sent me information on shelters, where to get gas, where to find supplies, and where to get more food. Some of them monitored hashtags and keywords for my town and sent me any relevant tweets with updates on power restoration, where grocery stores were open, and where to try and find ice nearby. Many offered to overnight or personally deliver to me blankets, coats, batteries, virtually anything I needed. Some offered their homes to me, once the roadways opened up. When I was able to get out a message that other people around the state were running out of gas and supplies and couldn’t get help, some posted the message at their blogs. And when I finally resigned myself to relocating to a shelter just before my power was restored, I texted others to look up the information and find a church shelter close to me.

    Later in the week, I learned that several people were able to get deliveries in from private companies like Amazon. One called into the local radio station to say that he’d even ordered a generator through Amazon and successfully had it delivered the next day. Many small business owners called into the same station to offer their services and even their homes and offices for free. Others told me that companies like Walmart were bringing in free water. There are countless stories of private enterprise coming through for people stranded without heat and power, their supplies dwindling, or trapped in areas by downed trees and power lines.

    Reports are finally surfacing that victims in NJ are saying they feel abandoned and are begging for help. Yet, as surprised and dismayed as I’ve been that local officials haven’t sent anyone over to knock on doors to check on people’s well-being and provide information, or that aid hasn’t been brought directly to immobile residents, there is a silver lining to the experience. It provided incredible peace of mind to know that, should I actually have needed anything, help was only a tweet or a text away. I was lucky to have such access, even if only occasionally. Others didn’t have that capability; some don’t even own cell phones. It’s been up to people who do have such access to do all they can to keep others informed and connected. To see so many hands extended in the last week to me and to others I know has just been absolutely heartwarming and promising for the fate of NJ. I believe this is where our efforts in planning for disasters need to be focused in the future — how people can connect to and help one another, not on faraway facilities that take days to organize and that few can reach. This week has been a testament to the good that capitalism can do.

    This isn’t to say that government doesn’t have its place during a crisis like this. Some problems are beyond the capabilities of people, counties, and states, and that is the proper role for federal government. But as we’ve witnessed throughout the aftermath of Sandy, that assistance is usually a broader and longer-term solution. In times of immediate need, it takes people and private enterprise to lend the greatest helping hands.


  78. WTH?

  79. Talk about a Contradiction!!!!!! Guess what, if you abort your daughters-they have No Choice about anything ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!-None, Nada-They are DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  80. Just A Citizen says:

    I am going to watch football and a movie or two this evening. NO NEWS.

    Same TOMORROW. I am going to try and NOT WATCH a single minute of election coverage. Wake up Wednesday and see what happened.

    So here is my final commentary about THIS election cycle, before it is over.

    If Romney loses, as I expect, and if the R’s lose Senate seats, as I expect, and if the R’s lose some House seats, as I expect there is only ONE REASON.

    That is those “Conservatives” who were elected in 08 and 2010 to Congress and the various State houses who decided that Abortion, Birth Control, Gay Marriage and VOTER FRAUD were the most important issues to deal with after the 2010 Election.

    When the likes of Limbaugh claim that Romney’s loss is once and for all PROOF that the R Party must become CONSERVATIVE, just remember who REALLY HELPED LOSE this election cycle.

    Yes Romney has some blame to take. But absent all the Con. antics, he would have had an easier time of making his case. Instead he has had to respond to the WAR ON WOMEN and the DISENFRANCHISING MINORITIES instead of staying focused on the economy, jobs and international standing.

    These losses are NOT the TEA PARTY’s fault. Not the REAL Tea Party anyway. Because these “Cons” have either hijacked the title outright or at least allowed others to LABEL THEM as such, it is the Tea Party that will get the blame and that has taken the most damage this cycle. In fact today there are stories running about how a “Tea Party” group of “Poll Watchers” is targeting minority dominated precincts. While that doesn’t matter in reality, it plays to the perception created by the DNC and the RACE BAITING Obama Campaign.

    In case you didn’t realize it, It was the TEA PARTY that torpedoed the Boehner/Obama agreement to ward off the fiscal and tax cliff that we now face on January 1st. At least according to the Dems and the RHINO Republicans (Joe Scarborough, I ‘m talking about you).

    It is hard to maintain a brand when you are viciously attacked by the Dem Party and undermined by your own Party, simultaneously.

    Repairing or restoring the motivation of the TEA PARTY will be the biggest priority after the election. And this will be true NO MATTER WHO WINS.

    That will be the biggest test and determinant of where this country goes after tomorrow. If the Hard Core Conservatives can’t put their social issues aside and team with the moderate R’s and the Libertarians to stand against the PROGRESSIVES then Jon Stewart will be correct.

    We will have decided to become a Social Democracy and there will be nothing the Silent Majority will be able to do about it.

    • The fireworks tomorrow are the only part of the election cycle I will be paying attention to. The fringe elements on both sides are each convinced their guy is going to win (by a large margin, no less) so it’s going to be a fantastic show either way.

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