Mid Week Open Mic

If it’s not obvious by now, I’m helping LOI keep this blog going while USW is absent. I’m hoping to add some discussions on subjects that haven’t been beat to death here, but I can use some help. Mainly, what do you want to talk about? I have some ideas for some subjects, but not sure if many of them interest those who frequent here. I will, myself, stay away from the the far right conspiracy theory stuff. I want real subjects that need discussed about today’s issues. Today, I will put up some articles and see what happens. As is usual, if you want to talk about something, bring it up.

If it’s not obvious by now, I’m helping LOI keep this blog going while USW is absent. I’m hoping to add some discussions on subjects that haven’t been beat to death here, but I can use some help. Mainly, what do you want to talk about? I have some ideas for some subjects, but not sure if many of them interest those who frequent here. I will, myself, stay away from the the far right conspiracy theory stuff. I want real subjects that need discussed about today’s issues. Today, I will put up some articles and see what happens. As is usual, if you want to talk about something, bring it up.


  1. gmanfortruth says:

    Hospitals illegally firing nurses for refusing flu vaccines in violation of state law, Civil Rights Act

    Tuesday, January 22, 2013 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer

    (NaturalNews) If you live in the United States and work in the healthcare field, your personal freedom to make your own healthcare decisions may soon be on the chopping block, that is if it has not already been nixed. According to reports, an increasing number of hospitals and healthcare facilities across the country are caving to government propaganda pressuring them to illegally terminate all healthcare workers who refuse influenza vaccines, an authoritarian trend that openly violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as well as state law.

    As reported by ABC News, one such hospital in Indiana has already canned at least eight employees, including three veteran nurses, for refusing to be injected with high-risk chemicals and viral fragments disguised as preventive medicine. Defying these employees’ natural and constitutional rights to govern the affairs of their own bodies, the hospital warned these faithful workers that if they did not get a flu shot by December 15, they would immediately be fired — and several of them have since been terminated.

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038781_nurses_flu_vaccines_fired.html#ixzz2Ikd6y7rw

    • Bottom Line says:

      I have been told by an insider that it is not only if they refuse vaccinations, but in some healthcare facilities, if they inform patients of the possible risks involved, that they are being disciplined and/or fired.


      The signs are there….I fear shit is about to get thick and heavy.

      Stay ready.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I am wholly against vaccinations. If this subject gets some discussion I can post some other stories. There is a lot to this that few people see.

        • I find it troubling that they can not tell you what is in the vaccinations yet reccomend them.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Very true! I know of many people who got very sick after the Anthrax vaccines were given in 1990 during the 1st Gulf War. I did not get the series of them, managed to never be around and had a friend with the access to the ink pens that updated the paperwork 🙂

    • gmanfortruth says:

      At least 50 African children paralyzed after receiving Bill Gates-backed meningitis vaccine

      Ethan A. Huff
      Natural News
      Jan 23, 2013

      Bill and Melinda Gates have been on a crusade for at least the past decade to vaccinate every single child on the planet. And one of their primary geographical targets has been the continent of Africa, where poor sanitations and lack of clean water have created conditions in which diseases like meningitis and malaria run rampant. But rather than try to meet these basic needs, the multi-billionaires and their many allies have instead thrust vaccines on indigenous populations as the solution, which has in turn sparked a wave of paralysis among Africa’s younger populations.

      As covered by investigative journalist Christina England over at Vactruth.com, the small village of Gouro in northern Chad, for instance, recently fell victim to the dark side of this vaccine agenda after at least 50 youth in the area developed paralysis following vaccination with “MenAfriVac,” a new meningitis vaccine developed specifically for Africa. Touted as a preventive cure for meningitis, MenAfriVac reportedly caused each of the children, some of whom were as young as seven, to suffer hallucinations, convulsions, and ultimately paralysis.

  2. gmanfortruth says:

    Song Writer On Gun Control: “We Need To Make Some Sacrifices To Our Freedoms”

    Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/song-writer-on-gun-control-we-need-to-make-some-sacrifices-to-our-freedoms/#ixzz2IkkRXxQY

    Following his performance at Barack Obama’s second inauguration the 64 year old entertainer spoke about gun control, stating “…we need to make some sacrifice[s] to our freedoms.”

    While Taylor has a First Amendment right to suggest such a thing, what I find very telling in comments such as his is that he acknowledges that the Second Amendment is about “freedom” and he states that sacrifices to freedom are needed in order to, as Taylor put it, “safeguard our children.” These are not American comments, but rather anti-American comments.

    I didn’t put this up because of the gun issue, but rather, the sacrificing of freedom issue.

  3. gmanfortruth says:

    Obama’s Inaugural Words On Climate Stir Cautious Optimism

    Released on Tuesday, the report — called “Point of No Return” — sought to quantify the amount of carbon pollution that would be released if governments and corporations move ahead with more than a dozen coal, oil and gas projects already slated to be built in coming years — including in the United States.

    “The collective global warming pollution from those projects would likely send the planet careening over a climate change cliff, causing far more droughts, storms and floods like the ones that devastated people around the world in 2012,” the organization declared.


    • gmanfortruth says:

      I would like to take these people back in time, to any number of decades, just to see what they would use an an excuse for their constant scaremongering. Even the use of cliff shows a lack of imagination. 🙄

      • So just below here you complain about “attack the poster rather than the post.” But here you “attack the poster rather than the post”.

        Interesting – but not surprising.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          I did attack the post, it’s pure hogwash based on fearmongering. You must have a ice on your reading glasses this morning. 😉

          • Gman,

            I would like to take these people back in time, to any number of decades, just to see what they would use an an excuse for their constant scaremongering. Even the use of cliff shows a lack of imagination.

            How does this qualify as attacking the post? Your accusing them of “scaremongering” and “lack of imagination”, and you don’t even mention any of their arguments…

            an excuse for their constant scaremongering

            This is really interesting coming from someone who just posted “Can This Really Happen Here (An Economist’s Outlook)”…

  4. gmanfortruth says:

    This is a reply to a post I made on HuffPo, which has nothing to do with the post or the subject, but is an example of how the many on the left attack the poster rather than the post. This person has no idea who I am or what I was was doing during the Bush years, or at least that’s what I believe. As you can see, she seems to have known me well 😆

    kateslate January 22, 2013 at 10:55pm

    What I cannot figure out is where in God’s green acres were your voices when President George W. Bush was taking us to wars and not paying for them? Yep. Didn’t even put ’em on the books! It was as if they were free! And your group was vewy, vewy quiet during this time. It is as if….naw, it can’t be. Well, I was going to say, it is as if….maybe now, because we have a liberal black man in the office of POTUS, NOW you speak up and care as you never seemed to care before! It’s just amazing! Excuse us if we disbelieve that you are really concerned about money and not just that man in the White House. It’s just that…..well, you were so quiet for so long while all this spending was going on between 2000 and 2008! National deficit exploded! National debt exploded! You just did not say a THING!

    Fancy that!

    • So what’s your problem? That she’s absolutely correct? Or what?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        No problem really. I’m amazed at the ignorance that the MSM breeds. Why would someone lay down a personal attack on a person she has no knowledge of? Does she not realize, based on her own words, that there is no difference in how the country is being run, regardless of which party is in charge? Is she feeling empowered by being anonymous, or is it the glass of whiskey next to her 😆 That was a joke. Maybe she’s your wife Todd 🙂

        • Gman,

          No problem really.

          If you don’t have a problem, then why did you post it here?

          I’m amazed at the ignorance that the MSM breeds.

          The real issue is the MSM doesn’t support your ideology, so you label it ignorance to make yourself feel better.

          Why would someone lay down a personal attack on a person she has no knowledge of?

          It wasn’t an attack, it’s the truth. But it doesn’t support your ideology, so your only recourse is to label it an attack.

          Based on the “facts” that you post here, it’s pretty easy to see that you’re just “trolling” to get a reaction out of people. Since almost no one responds to your theories here anymore, you have to go elsewhere to stir people up.

          And when you get a reaction, you run back here to “show off” the results of your trolling. Bravo Gman!!

          Does she not realize, based on her own words, that there is no difference in how the country is being run, regardless of which party is in charge?

          Another reoccurring “thought” here at SUFA to justify your anger.

          Is she feeling empowered by being anonymous, or is it the glass of whiskey next to her That was a joke.

          And then you take cheap shots at her – but of course you’re just kidding. Why don’t you post these comments on Huff Post?

          Maybe she’s your wife Todd

          And then you take cheap shot at my wife. Oh sure, I know you’re joking…

          We know it’s not your wife, right? Because I’ll bet she can’t read or write…

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Todd, you should try to post something about the subjects, or provide a subject that you would like to discuss. Your liberal attacks on me or the others here are soon to be ignored. Show all of us you have some smarts in that knoggin of yours 😉

        • So responding to your posts doesn’t qualify? I guess I can’t argue with that.

          This is really interesting, coming from the person who has taken over SUFA to the point that most people don’t respond to you or have left SUFA altogether. Do you notice how most of your “conspiracy theory” comments get no response? Or the response is from someone on the RIGHT trying to talk you down?

          Along time ago, USWeapon posted about why he started SUFA, and how his wife “approved”, as long as SUFA didn’t become “another right-wing abortion and conspiracy theory blog” (or something like that). Well, that’s what it’s become, and I’ll bet that’s the main reason USWeapon no longer is here on a regular basis.

          Show all of us you have some smarts in that knoggin of yours

          If I did, you’d be the last person to realize it.

  5. gmanfortruth says:


    So the question is, is the gun violence problem a result of liberal policies and laws?

  6. gmanfortruth says:

    The picture in this article may not be for everyone, discretion advised.


    Is Muslim an evil religion?

  7. gmanfortruth says:

    Background checks for gun purchases. This is a good subject with many opinions. I don’t think they work and are a waste of tax dollars.

    • They don’t completely work in their current form because (1) the databases are not complete, (2) there is often little to no communication between agencies and fed-state govts, and (3) they do not apply to every sale.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I heard in a survey of 18000 criminals (I’m looking for a link), which was on TV, that only 2% got their guns at a gun show. None of those questioned bought the guns at a legitimate dealer. A high percentage bought them on the street (black market) and the second highest percentage got them from family. I’m not going to say this is absolute and undeniable evidence, but it points to a huge waste of money, checking on law abiding citizens.

        • “None of those questioned bought the guns at a legitimate dealer”

          Would not the presence of background checks deter those that should not have guns from seeking to purchace through a legitimate dealer?

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Yes, and that is a good point. But, is it keeping the guns out of their hands? No, it is not. It only changes who they buy it from.

        • No one is arguing that background checks would solve the problem 100%.

          Which is why background checks must be strenghtened and why those that do not run the check should be held liable for the actions of those they sell to, per my and the Colonel’s proposal from the other day.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Holding the sellers liable, is unenforceable. How can you track guns from the buyer to the seller?

            • I can think of at least one way….

            • With the exception of certain “cold pieces” brought back from some war or other, they can be tracked pretty darn well. I do not think it took more than two days to track that 6.5 Carcano back to Oswald in ’63. Just used import records to trace to the seller. Even in the old dark pre-computer days, by mail order, dealers required ID a provision on the ’33 and ’38 laws.

              Seems to me the straw purchasers who buy in quantity down South and then run them up I-95 can be found through the simple expedient, know to all “Law and Order” fans as “turning” the perp on his supplier.

              Then of course, for all you liberals out there, it is the obligation of the government, that amorphous mass/mess down in DC to get an indictment or two. It is also the obligation of the government to prosecute people who break the 1933 and 1938 laws ie: no person convicted of a felony may purchase, own or possess a firearm. It is the obligation of the government not to plead out a case where someone buys or sells hundreds of guns fraudulently.

              Places like NY City who have aggressively pursued illegal ownership or who have added time on for firearms possession in a crime have seen their crime rates drop through the floor. Places that don’t, well, let us say things just continue as usual. But, people like the Prez, Cuomo, Rahm etc can just keep blaming the whole damn thing on you and me and America’s “gun culture”.

              • Just A Citizen says:


                In OREGON it is a FELONY to take a PET off the street. Because this is stealing a pet from someone.

                But it is NOT a felony to ride a bike naked down main street, or trespass and defile public property, as long as your defilement is Politically Correct.

                I think tossing around FELONY as a criteria is a little to BROAD for my liking.

              • Hey, I can’t help it if you folks have let that get out of hand. You are a States rights guy. If you think for a moment of the absurdity in the “pet” law vs. killing babies in the third trimester, you will see just how nutso we have all become.

                While I love animals and still tear up in the final scenes of “Old Yeller”, If I hear the term “pet children” or “pet grandparents” one more time from my neighbors I will not be held responsible for my acts. I have taken to publicly grieving over the last of my goldfish that passed on some 20 years ago. Seems to me I wasn’t sensitive enough at the time and I regret that I did not have at the very least a memorial service for my Carp family children.

                This generation would have their asses kicked by anyone who tried. the greatest generation begat the “Me” generation who begat the “I am afraid of anything” generation. Holy Crap Batman!

  8. The 55 Million Martyrs of Roe v. Wade

    By Gary Varvel | January 22, 2013 | 17:18

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/55-million-martyrs-roe-v-wade.html#ixzz2Io9e3c8U

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Are you trying to get V.H. all fired up? 🙂

        • Nah, don’t think so. If the world began with Roe vs. Wade then you could make the argument but, since there was a world before that and data was collected in those pre scientific days like 1969, then one would have to ask why no huge amount of single Moms before that?

          Someday counselor, I am going to get you to be a Gestaltist and accept that there are in fact many different reasons for all human actions and behavior. While I have no doubt that anti-abortion leads to an increase in single motherhood, to mention that as a primary reason without mentioning changed societal norms, enhanced social welfare programs that make it economically viable and an abysmal lack of going after deadbeat dads, might just have something to do with it too.

          • ….a Gestaltist…

            Good luck trying.

            Of course there are many different reasons for all human actions and behavior, and of course there are many variables at work here. But the basic concept here is interesting.

            • It isn’t interesting-it is passing the blame! These social norms didn’t just change-people pushed to change them-then when we are left with choosing the best option out of those left to us-it’s our fault.

              • It’s not passing the blame and it isn’t about fault. But it is interesting.

              • To clarify (as I can see why you walk away from the article as passing the blame) — it is an interesting correlation that needs to be addressed. Are there other factors at work here? Of course. But the hardline opposition to abortion in all cases seems to be one (of many) contributing factors to the increase in single mothers. What to do about it is another issue altogether.

              • Yes, it is 🙂

              • Okay Buck-but what to do about it-isn’t aborting more babies. So what does that leave us with?

              • I don’t know.

              • VH and Buck,

                you know what would work really, really well? Two things, personal responsibility (including financial) and the return of shame.

            • Again Buck, check the numbers in the ’60’s. Daniel Patrick Moynihan did most of the work already.

              Abortion was illegal and rare The pill was not available and if you had a baby, you, your family and God help us, the father were responsible for it’s upkeep. Not society.

              So, while anti-abortion may be a causality today, it was not then. From an empirical point of view you then have to ask what other factors have entered into the equation? LCD ( lowest common denominator), primal cause, try the fact that abortion was legalized. Had it not been, this discussion would be moot. Had the pill and sex ed done what everyone said they would do when I was young, namely end unwanted pregnancies, then abortion would not have been necessary. What we have here is a dung cart load of unintended consequences that it will take decades to sort out if they ever can be.

              Another point of interest is the inability to communicate fact these days. In the current world, for a variety of reasons, opinion and fact are considered interchangeable. This was just brought to light yet again by a project i am working on where my employer decided to ignore my 40 years of experience and go with his opinion. My “fact” would have cost him $ 80,000 which he was obligated to pay. Looks like his “opinion” will cost between three and four million that he was not initially obligated to pay! But this 40 something still “thinks” he’s right. The real estate lawyers are salivating over this one now.

              Remember, “Fact trumps feelings or opinions”.

        • I might be…I am pro-choice, no gray evasions. I say that like I say I would drink urine if I were dying of thirst. I would do it if there was a strong enough need, but it would have to be a need comparable and I would feel the same level of pride in being a party to abortion as to drinking piss…. That is how “socially acceptable” abortion should be!

  9. Just A Citizen says:


    Why all the faith in some “national” data base? I think you have misplaced confidence in such a thing.

    Furthermore, and more importantly, WHY is our RIGHT TO PRIVACY to be discarded so quickly in order to benefit from our RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS??

    Your arguments are in opposition to the entire notion of RIGHTS. Which is I believe the essence of the conflict in our society at the moment.

    Those who believe in RIGHTS and those who think they are subject to the Govt’s need to act.

    • Would you rather have a patchwork state by state database? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

      How specifically do you find your right to privacy being discarded here?

      • Just A Citizen says:


        You want Govt to FORCE me to put my personal information in a data base which is accessible to anyone in Govt, and of course Anonymous and Wikileaks.

        • No, I want the gov’t to share the information it currently has and continues to obtain. You go to purchase a gun, you provide your name, name is run against the database; all the seller knows is whether or not there is a hit thereby preventing him from legally selling you said gun.

          And who said the database is to be accessible to anyone in gov’t?

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Data bases on law abiding citizens are ridiculous and an affront to our privacy.

        No data base is going to prevent killings. The people who have committed these mass murders that have everyone tied in knots would NOT have shown up in any data base as being unfit to own guns.

        The ONLY people who need to be in any data base are those PROHIBITED from owning guns.

        This claim that State and Feds don’t communicate is a false claim in my view. At least the “reason” stated is wrong. It is not because they CAN’T it is because they may not WANT to.

        Because I assure you that when they do want to, they communicate quite well. And across many agencies.

        • The ONLY people who need to be in any data base are those PROHIBITED from owning guns.

          Correct. And as I said, you would provide your name, it would be run against the database and the seller would receive a “PING” if you are on the list. If you are not on the list, there is no “PING” and the sale can proceed. What’s the problem here?

          • But you want this administered by the gov. that has already said they can’t keep up with it already. Biden says they can’t enforce all the laws. Some 8 million illegal aliens have attempted to illegally purchase firearms. You would think ICE might want to follow up on that one, but that would be profiling or something….

          • A ping is so………….so……………..foo foo.

            KABOOM !!!!! Give me a KABOOM and I will help you out……do I have a KABOOM?

          • Just A Citizen says:


            Two real life examples of why the idea is not that simple.

            There is a person with my EXACT name who is a felon. He even lived in the town where my mailing address was located. When I get a home mortgage it takes two weeks for ME to PROVE I am not him. Because there are warrants out for him much of the time.

            I have not tried to purchase a gun since I started having this problem. But under your system I would certainly get PINGED.

            My son was recently denied a drivers license when switching States. Because the computer check got a PING on his name. Not his actual name, but his “middle” and “last” name. Seems there is a FELON from New Jersey who’s First name is the same as my son’s Middle name. And they have the same last name.

            He was NEVER able to get New Jersey to certify he was NOT the Felon in question. He finally found a DMV clerk who ignored the PING and overrode the system.

            Yes, a clerk overrode the data base.

  10. gmanfortruth says:

    An interesting look at what is happening on Wall Street and the Fed Res.


  11. From Hell, Muammar el-Qaddafi laughs at Western liberal naïveté
    David Paulin

    A little over one year ago, Libyan dictator Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi was brutally murdered by his own people. If he’s able to laugh from the eternal torment of Hell, he must be laughing at all those liberals in America and the West who had gushed about an “Arab Spring” being at hand.

    In a revealing article in the New York Times – “Jihadists’ Surge in North Africa Reveals Grim Side of Arab Spring” – Robert F. Worth reports:

    As the uprising closed in around him, the Libyan dictator Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi warned that if he fell, chaos and holy war would overtake North Africa. “Bin Laden’s people would come to impose ransoms by land and sea,” he told reporters. “We will go back to the time of Redbeard, of pirates, of Ottomans imposing ransoms on boats.”

    In recent days, that unhinged prophecy has acquired a grim new currency. In Mali, French paratroopers arrived this month to battle an advancing force of jihadi fighters who already control an area twice the size of Germany. In Algeria, a one-eyed Islamist bandit organized the brazen takeover of an international gas facility, taking hostages that included more than 40 Americans and Europeans.

    He adds:

    In a sense, both the hostage crisis in Algeria and the battle raging in Mali are consequences of the fall of Colonel Qaddafi in 2011. Like other strongmen in the region, Colonel Qaddafi had mostly kept in check his country’s various ethnic and tribal factions, either by brutally suppressing them or by co-opting them to fight for his government. He acted as a lid, keeping volatile elements repressed. Once that lid was removed, and the borders that had been enforced by powerful governments became more porous, there was greater freedom for various groups – whether rebels, jihadists or criminals – to join up and make common cause.

    Of course, part of the problem also is the Obama administration’s increasing disengagement from the region. Sometimes, there are not good choices and bad choices – only bad choices and worst choices. Expect more problems in Afghanistan and Iraq as those countries fend for themselves – and thugs move in to fill the resulting power vacuums.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/from_hell_muammar_el-qaddafi_laughs_at_western_liberal_naivete.html#ixzz2IoHTIJ3q

    I think this is a worthy topic. Hillary is supposed to testify today. CBS has a story on the Obama admin. refusing to release info. This is Obama’s foreign policy. The USAF has had to fly French troops & 120 tons of supplies into Mali.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      How many think we should just mind our own business and bring our troops home? I think this is a push for the U.N. to take over Africa.

      • Be nice if somebody ran the damned thing. The Executive Solutions folks were doing a pretty good job until we helped shut them down. Murder, rape and pillage take precedence over something as undemocratic as law and order.

        Man, I often wonder how things would have turned out if our current “sensitivities” were in place 100 or 150 years ago. Watching the National Prayer service the other night I could imagine if my ancestors and yours were raised in the United States to speak primarily only their native tongues and continue embracing only their native cultures. We would have remained this polyglot, ghetto ridden poor man’s copy of the former Yugoslavia. Think on it my friends, because that is where we are headed.

        There is a topic for you, looking ahead if certain trends continue. As I keep asking my liberal/progressive friends, show me YOUR United States in 20 or 50 years. Never get an answer, no more than when I ask where the money is coming from?

    • Wonderful except the “Emperor has no clothes crowd” is doing their usual slam bang job of reportage. there is that old ’50’s tune I think of “Out of Sight, out of mind”.

      • Four F-16 fighter jets left the U.S. this morning, bound for Egypt as part of a foreign aid package critics say should have been scrapped when the nation elected a president who has called President Obama a liar and urged that hatred of Jews be instilled in children.

        A source who works on the Naval Air Force Base in Dallas confirmed the departure of the state-of-the-art fighter planes to FoxNews.com. Sixteen F-16s and 200 Abrams tanks are to be given to the Egyptian government before the end of the year under a foreign aid deal signed in 2010 with then-Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a longtime U.S. ally..

        Critics, including several in Congress, say it doesn’t make sense to follow through with the package, given that new Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi, elected last summer, has given decidedly mixed signals about relations with the U.S. While he has toned down his rhetoric since his election, in 2010 – the same year the aid package was struck – Morsi attacked Obama for supporting Israel.

        “One American president after another — and most recently, that Obama — talks about American guarantees for the safety of the Zionists in Palestine,” Morsi, then a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, said on Egyptian television in reaction to Obama’s 2009 speech in Cairo. “[Obama] was very clear when he uttered his empty words on the land of Egypt. He uttered many lies, of which he couldn’t have fulfilled a single word, even if he were sincere — which he is not.”

        In the comments translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, Morsi went on to urge that children be taught to hate Jews.

        “Dear brothers, we must not forget to nurse our children and grandchildren on hatred towards those Zionists and Jews, and all those who support them,” he said. “They must be nursed on hatred. The hatred must continue.”

        Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/22/gift-us-f-16-fighter-jets-en-route-to-egypt-amid-criticism/?intcmp=HPBucket#ixzz2IoTw3Ilm

  12. On Tuesday, CBS’s Sharyl Attkisson broke on Twitter that the Obama administration “has indicated that it will not be answering Benghazi question we’ve been asking since Oct.” Attkisson, who has provided hard-hitting reporting on the September 11, 2012 Islamist attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya, listed many of the questions that the executive branch has yet to answer about the story.

    The journalist noted in a later Tweet that “CBS News FOI’d Benghazi info from State Dept, CIA, FBI and Defense Dept. None has been provided.” Attkisson also pointed out a false claim by the administration:

    Additionally, CBS News has repeatedly requested the promised surveillance video from Benghazi but it has not been provided. We’ve also asked for any White House photos taken that night, as well as an accounting of Pres. Obama’s decisions and actions. None has been provided….At a press conference 11/14/12, President Obama stated that his Admin. has provided all info regarding ‘what happened in Benghazi.’

    The CBS correspondent posted some of the questions that the Obama White House has failed to answer in 22 consecutive Tweets:

    What time was Ambassador’s Stevens’ body recovered, what are the known details surrounding his disappearance and death, including where he/his body was taken/found/transported and by whom?

    Who made the decision not to convene the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG) the night of the Benghazi attacks?

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2013/01/22/cbss-attkisson-obama-admin-has-stonewalled-benghazi-october#ixzz2IoJ57kjb

  13. Howdy, friend JAC……………..Question number one…..consider this a starting position on gun control. You and I both support unfettered ownership but there has to be responsibility somewhere……so……..

    Step 1……Would you agree to taking the responsibility for weapons control away from the Fed and leave it to individual State’s. No other subject for now…….just a simple answer to take it it away from the Fed and let the State decide. (State being defined as individual States in the United States….not defined as Federal Gov’t)

    Can you and I get this far?

    • Also, I think a definition to “assault” weapon needs to be defined better. There is a list of things that the FEDERAL government feels defines assault weapon.

      1) Flash suppressor – It is surprising how many people think a flash suppressor is a silencer. A flash suppressor is nothing more than an apparatus that dissipates the gas at the end of the barrel and prevents blow back into the face of the shooter. It does not make a round any more accurate, it does not make the round faster, it does not hide the flash. It actually creates a star design upon firing. Most military weapons do not have a flash suppressor.

      2) Barrel shroud – This is an apparatus that is designed to dissipate heat only. It prevents injury to the shooter by holding a “hot” barrel, It does not make the weapon more accurate, nor any easier to shoot. nor shoot any faster. It does not help the aiming of the weapon.

      3) Pistol grip – A pistol grip does not define any weapon nor does it make it more accurate. It is easier to hold but it does not make a round go any straighter, faster….etc. When a round is fired, a pistol grip does not alter the torque of the weapon.

      4) Folding or telescoping stock – This is also not a standard part of a military weapon. Most do not have this. A telescoping stock does not make a weapon harder to hide, more accurate, nor fire faster. It adjusts the length of the weapon to the height and weight of the shooter. The ONLY military that uses telescoping or folding stocks…..are paratroopers and Special Forces……the reason……it is a shorter weapon to fold against your chest as you exit an aircraft in parachute and does not become entangled in shroud lines on deployment.

      5) Magazine – It holds bullets. Most every civilian weapon has a magazine. The ONLY argument that is even feasible is the size of a magazine. That just makes the argument feasible and not correct.

      The only legitimate definition that the government can even begin to hang it’s hat on is……..semi-automatic…..and that is pretty lame at best. I do not know of any military weapon that is in the hands of any civilian anywhere that is not registered already or that was obtained illegally,

    • Just A Citizen says:


      You have hit on the REAL nut. That is RESPONSIBILITY of the individuals.

      Those who purchase and use them, AND those who allow them to be accessed by those who should NOT use them.

      Perhaps personal liability is the key here, rather than other gun control and registration requirements.

      As for State’s Rights, I would agree with you 100% in this context.

      1. That the Constitution “INTERPRETATION” of the 14th Amendment be overturned and the authority returned as originally written.

      2. Before the 14th I agree this was within the States’ authority.

      That may seem like sidestepping to some but it is not.

      I agree with you. However, thanks to the “Progressive Court” it is all messed up and bigger action is needed first.

      Now let me offer up an idea. There is NOTHING preventing the States from establishing a centralized data base, under State Compact, that is funded by the States and ONLY accessible to the member States.

      • “There is NOTHING preventing the States from establishing a centralized data base, under State Compact, that is funded by the States and ONLY accessible to the member States.”

        Agreed…..It would be far easier for the states to do this, than the Feds. This makes it incumbent upon the individual to check a destinations as to whether he can own or carry a weapon or have a reciprocal license.

        Now, if there is to be a restriction on types of weapons, I really have no problem with the Federal Government issuing guidelines. I have no problem with restricting weapons on US government property, should the Federal Government so decide. But, my cooperation would end there. If New York wants to do what it is doing…..ok……move the hell out.

        State’s enter into reciprocal agreements all the time so that is nothing new.

        I would, however, still hold gun shows and individual sales to a background check of a data base that is reputable. In doing so, if you wish to buy a weapon in Texas, you must be a Texas resident. If you are an out of state resident, you better be from a state that has a reciprocal agreement or there is no sale. The background check can be from the state as well as tapping the FBI data base.

        Texas is a good example to follow as we are pretty stringent on our rules. You can own any weapon you want, any size magazine you want, but you better be in good standing and that even means you cannot be a dead beat dad. In order to get a CCL here, you cannot be in tax arrears to the state, you cannot owe child support, you cannot have outstanding tickets or warrants even for misdemeanors……etc.I would extend that to weapons sales. Your background and how you conduct business does reflect on the type of citizen you are, However, I personally do not like the straw sales to individuals. This is something that I would stop…..I consider that gun running. Our legislature is in session now, and we will be open carry soon.

        We do need to address the lax gun show rules. I feel that our constitutional framers did not intend “everybody” to have a weapon. Even our framers would not put a weapon into the hands of a known criminal.

  14. I’d like to talk about insurance and why it’s so high. A while back someone mentioned to me in passing that the invention of medical insurance was a big driver in raising medical cost. But the conversation was interrupted and she never got to explain her reasoning.

    • VH…it is nothing more than cost. Insurance is a business…hospitals are a business, doctors are a business. Profit is the name of the game. Demand drives rates and prices. The fact that insurance companies are regulated prevents market place pricing. This makes pricing predatory, Eliminate the regulations and let the market decide and you will see insurance rates plummet.

      An insurance company in Texas cannot quote in any other state. Allow the insurance companies to cross state lines and compete…..you will see immediate savings. Allow states the right to reciprocal agreements and you will see rates nose dive…….but…….our illustrious Federal Government has decided that………interstate competition is not allowed.

      This is one HUGE area….there is another. But this is enough to start with for now.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Let me offer something a little different. From my own experience with Medicaid and Insurance Companies.

      Both reimburse Docs at some “predetermined” and “maximum” rate which they base on studies of prevailing costs within certain areas.

      In order to keep costs low, they will try everything to keep these rates as low as possible.

      It took a while but the Doc’s finally figured out that if they simply charged the actual cost of service they would never get reimbursed at that rate. Because Insurance provides less than 100%.

      So eventually the Docs start “inflating” their charges. This increased deductibles and Patient Share. But as time goes on the Studies show a much higher “prevailing” rate and the Insurance Companies and Medicaid RAISE their reimbursements. But they are still behind.

      So the Docs keep inflating.

      Obviously, as the reimbursements increase so does the Cost of Insurance.

      All of this goes to the notion that any time you put a third party between the seller and buyer, you can get a distortion in “fair market value”. Especially when the third party is Govt or closely regulated by Govt. Meaning there is no other third party competition.

      • From the little we talked I believe this “All of this goes to the notion that any time you put a third party between the seller and buyer, you can get a distortion in “fair market value” was her basic meaning. Any third party-in other words- to her- if we had never added insurance into the mix-the doctors, hospitals and people worked out a reasonable solution. So first cause was insurance, government meddling made it worse, and now most humans can’t handle heath care costs without “them” that caused the problem in the first place. So the liberals think the answer is to have government pay for everything, which is just going to make the cost go up even more. Bitter damn circle is it not!

    • Just A Citizen says:


      One other economic relationship that is at play.

      The advent of insurance eventually led to INCREASED Demand for medical care.

      Those who might not afford certain care could now access it because of Insurance.

      And as Demand goes up, and supply does not, price increases.

    • My two cents, If you look at:

      Education (college)



      You will note a historical correlation between government involvement, loans, insurance and costs. By establishing artificial floors, the government has encouraged these industries and make no mistake, they are industries (just look at the numbers they employ) to take advantage of the value government sets on something.

      Ever since the financial aid office of my Alma Mater literally told me twenty years ago that tuition begins where loans leave off, I have studied this. I have found that medical costs begin where government insurance leaves off and that housing prices and rents begin where section 8 subsidy money and guaranteed mortgages leave off. The “basic” fee is what Uncle supplies. Want something slightly better? You will pay through the nose.

      Stats are available that show the correlation but don’t try, anytime soon, to think you can change anything. It will take a complete financial collapse of everything to bring changes about.

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    Buck, et al.

    Why not outlaw Psycho Trop drugs instead? Or perhaps create a national data base of Doctors prescribing these drugs.

    This would be followed by Govt inspection and evaluation of their practice to determine if the prescriptions are “appropriate” and in “proper quantity”, and that “follow up” is conducted.

    Lets put a few Docs in jail for over prescribing drugs that seem to be causing all the gun violence.

    This should be really easy to do under Obama Care.

  16. Here’s a great read along with some links for additional back-up to public education today. BF has always encouraged us to start local. Might be time for me to run for school board.


  17. gmanfortruth says:

    Trying to catch up, so let me start:

    D13, Buck and JAC, Re The gun issue. I agree with personal responsibility is and should be the most important factor involving guns. I do not believe that the Feds or the States have any authority to legislate firearms. The 2nd is clear and concise. We will never be able to keep the bad guys from getting guns, no more than we can stop bad people from driving a car. Laws and legislation will not help, but it certainly may hinder. Let’s remember where most of the problems are, in Democratically controlled cities with strict gun laws.

    There is only one logical method to stop bad people with guns, and that is good people with guns. Buck, this doesn’t mean that we will be having shootouts all over the place either. Deterence has worked perfectly in many places without a shot being fired. Most criminals are afraid of good people with guns, and they have said so.

    So what should we really do that can work to stop the gun violence?

    • Gman…….hope you are doing well. You said….”The 2nd is clear and concise”. Agreed…however, I also believe the 2nd’s intent was not to let criminals or neer do wells to have the same access as all. I believe that the intent was for the defense against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I believe the intent was to be a buffer from a tyrannical government…….that said….I told JAC that I do not think that a framer of our constitution would arm a murderer.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Doing well Colonel, I hope you and yours are well also 🙂 You stated: ” I believe that the intent was for the defense against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” I believe the same. This is also the answer to the problem. We, as a people, have the responsibility to defend ourselves and families from all enemies, especially a tyrannical govt. The only responsibility the govt maintains is to protect from foreign invasion (which I think they are failing). My point is that murderers with guns will be eliminated by good people with guns. The govt cannot protect the people from criminals. Which leads us to……

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Actually Sir, I disagree. When given a draft that would have done what you say, they did not adopt it. Instead they penned the one we have, WITHOUT any constraints.

        Why we might ask. Because it was aimed at the Federal Govt alone.

        The States had their own versions of the same Article.

        It is also historical fact that many murderers were allowed to own guns once they were released from prison. That old concept of Prison was how you paid your debt to society.

        Of course the crazy killers would have been summarily executed. Ending the whole debate of how to keep them away from guns.

  18. @ JAC……Buck may be a New York Liberal mouthpiece but he is actually more center than you think. If the data base was inclusive and equally enforced with reciprocal agreements and that data base shared with the FBI..(sharing means that if Texas or some other state turns down a gun request, that information is included in an FBI database to prevent a non reciprocal state from a sale)…..he will be in on this discussion.

    We will leave magazine size alone for now.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      I recognize his “center” view on this. And his honest attempt to find a “pragmatic” solution that is acceptable.

      I am simply pointing out how such efforts exacerbate the CONFLICTS in core principles and values.

      The more “pragmatic” we try to be the bigger the mess we create.

      Now to your above comment. I do agree that the Govt has the authority to deny carrying weapons on Govt property if they wish. However, there should be some rational reason for such prohibitions.

      For example, banning guns in National Parks like Yellowstone is STUPID.

      Banning guns in the Library of Congress, on in the White House might make sense.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Another problem I have with background checks is that govt can deny any group the right to purchase a gun as they see fit, without even having to prove their case: Tragically, many of our veterans are now referred to as potential “domestic terrorists” by President Obama’s Department of Homeland Security.

      Men who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan have been declared “risks” should they choose to purchase a firearm for private use.

    • Why thank you, you crazy gun-toting, raptor-keeping Texican cowboy!

  19. gmanfortruth says:

    @V.H. Health Insurance. Here’s how I see this mess. The Progressives want 100% govt run healthcare. That’s the goal and they are going to get it. Today, Obamacare is causing the prices to go up, it will get far worse and many more people will get priced out. It will become cheaper to pay a stupid tax than to provide (employer) or purchase a health insurance plan. Once the system is overwhelmed and falls apart, govt can then take over. It the Cloward-Piven theory in action.

    • Yes, I too believe Obamacare was an intentionally bad bill written exclusively to be used as a stepping stone to nationalized heath care.

  20. Just A Citizen says:

    We now have the Administrations position clearly stated on Benghazi.

    When asked about why State claimed the raid was a response to a video the answer was

    “What difference does it make?”


  21. gmanfortruth says:

    Abortion issue. I believe abortion is a form of eugenics, clearly aimed at the black population. Eugenics is still an issue and many people still claim there are too many people on earth. Not sure how this plays out politically, but here’s an example of that thinking: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/paul-ehrlich-nobody-has-right-have-12-children-or-even-3

    • See-some ideas are so clearly EVIL, you have to wonder how decent people can buy into them. But they do!

  22. Just A Citizen says:

    ABORTION and the HUMAN BLIGHT and what we can expect from the LEFT.

    Notice the last paragraph that I copied. The entire article can be found at the link.

    Sir David Attenborough, Naturalist And Filmmaker, Calls Humanity ‘A Plague On The Earth’

    Posted: 01/23/2013 11:36 am EST
    Sir David Attenborough, the famed British naturalist and television presenter, has some harsh words for humanity.
    “We are a plague on the Earth,” Attenborough told the Radio Times, as reported by the Telegraph. “It’s coming home to roost over the next 50 years or so.”
    Attenborough went on to say that both climate change and “sheer space” were looming problems for humanity.
    “Either we limit our population growth or the natural world will do it for us, and the natural world is doing it for us right now,” he said.
    Sir David is not the only naturalist who has warned of population growth outstripping resources. Paul Ehrlich, the president of the Center for Conservation Biology at Stanford University and author of “The Population Bomb” (Sierra Club-Ballantine, 1968) has long used language similar to Attenborough’s. And in 2011, an analysis of species loss suggested that humans are beginning to cause a mass extinction on the order of the one that killed the dinosaurs.
    When asked about Attenborough’s comments on humanity as its own scourge, Ehrlich told LiveScience he “completely agree[d], as does every other scientist who understands the situation.” [Top 10 Ways to Destroy Earth]
    Even so, that doesn’t mean forceful measures must be taken. “Government propaganda, taxes, giving every sexually active human being access to modern contraception and backup abortion, and, especially, giving women absolutely equal rights and opportunities with men might very well get the global population shrinkage required if a collapse is to be avoided,” Ehrlich said.
    In fact, providing free, reliable birth control to women could prevent between 41 percent and 71 percent of abortions in the United States, according to a study detailed in the Oct. 4, 2012, issue of the journal Obstetrics and Gynecology.

    For the rest of the story follow the link:

    • gmanfortruth says:

      How to deal with eugenists. Take them to a high bridge and ask them if they are willing to put up or shut up. I will bet no one will jump because they are the true racists in our world. It’s a known fact that abortion is about keeping the black population down. How many tv commercials do you see about blacks starving in Africa. Yes, they are starving and dying, but it’s a planned event, to keep the black population down. Why are blacks huddled into inner cities, poor and on the govt dole, killing each other everyday. Because it keeps the black population down.

      This country has the resources to destroy all the gangs in our inner cities, but it won’t happen. There was a big deal made out of the Sandy Hook shootings, and rightly so. But very little is mentioned about the 500+ killings in Chicago. Why, because keeping the black population down isn’t news. Eugenics is alive and operating everyday. Abortions are just part of it 🙄

      • It’s a known fact that abortion is about keeping the black population down.


        • gmanfortruth says:

          Buck, do some research about eugenics. As sad as this fact is, how can you deny it when it has affected the black community far more than any other? Where are most of the clinics? I’ve never seen one anywhere near where I live, but I know where two are in Youngstown Ohio. They are in primarily black neighborhoods. Do the research yourself if you want to “sigh”. the results will tell the truth!

          • That is just about a ridiculous statement of so-called fact that I’ve ever heard. All you’re getting here from me is a sigh. Sorry to disappoint.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Buck, seriously, do a little research and you will see for yourself. I’m not racist by nature, but there are many who are. I remember as a kid, watching commercials about Ethiopians and starvation. Do you really believe that we, as a nation, could not have fed these people?

              • So now you are all in favor of sending our tax dollars to Ethiopia? I thought you’ve advocated stopping all foreign aid….no?

                All kidding aside though — do you really believe that the reason we did not end starvation in Ethiopia is because of a racist desire to ‘keep the black population down’?

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Buck, You ask “do you really believe that the reason we did not end starvation in Ethiopia is because of a racist desire to ‘keep the black population down’?”

                This country let people suffer and die of syphilis, they were black. This country could have easily fed these people, they did not, you figure it out.

            • The current crop of abortionists worships at the altar of Margaret Sanger, Margaret Sanger was , what?

              I’m sorry I just keep harping on the fact that so many reasons for so many things. In the lifetimes of people still walking this planet, in this country sterilizations were performed and people were allowed to die of Syphilis.

              Today, the stats of abortion in minority, specifically black communities are off the charts. Can you deny that either consciously or unconsciously some of these “unwanted” babies are being sacrificed to improve the breeding stock? Hey, ideas, bad or good never go away, they just change their coloration.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Sanger was a serious Eugenist who even bragged that more people should die than what they hoped. Her history is just scary. But she won, in the long run.

    • gmanfortruth says:
  23. gmanfortruth says:

    I predicted this to happen some time ago. This could be a very bad day when it’s announced publicly : Massive Squeeze Coming As WGC Confirms Gold-Backed Yuan – KWN

    King World News is pleased to break the news first in the world for our global readers that the World Gold Council has now confirmed the Chinese are going to back the yuan with gold. Today a legend in the business, Keith Barron, who consults with major companies around the world and is responsible for one of the largest gold discoveries in the last quarter century, informed KWN of this development and also stated, “… the gold and silver bulls are going to begin to trample the bears at some point in the near future.”

    Here is what Barron had to say: “This is what I have heard firsthand regarding the silver shortage. I spoke to a dealer where I purchase gold and silver in the United States. He just told me that immediately after the Presidential Inauguration his firm immediately began selling the hell out of monster boxes of US silver eagles.”
    Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/currency-war-between-the-us-china-japan-in-process-euro-could-be-next-to-join-the-war-wgc-confirms-the-chinese-are-going-to-back-the-yuan-with-gold/#0BrYYD6e65dVhpud.99

  24. gmanfortruth says:

    @JAC, You have to love all the fun I have with conspiracy theories. This is just a little more to play with. http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/ssdi-death-index-sandy-hook-shooter-adam-lanza-died-one-day-before-school-massacre-2-2541900.html

    I’m not claiming this is true, besides, even if it is we have bigger problems. 🙂

  25. gmanfortruth says:

    Hey Colonel, it seems that the DHS has some plans for ya’ll in Texas:

    Texas Doomsday Preppers
    January 16
    INTEL ALERT! ATTENTION: On January 15, 2013 a law enforcement officer in the north end of the Greater Houston area stopped a semi tractor-trailer driver, who was heading in a southerly direction, during a routine check for drugs. During a search of the cargo of the trailer, he discovered packages of road signs that read the following: “Martial Law in effect”. The driver had a bill of lading in his possession stating that this cargo’s destination was to the Department of Homeland Security.

  26. gmanfortruth says:

    Buck, down here 🙂 What many people believe is “unbelievable” is not that unbelievable any more. If someone told you that a jet airliner would smash into one of the twin towers, a year before it happened, you would have said the same thing as me. If that someone said said both towers would be flattened by a plane crashing into them, you would have said the same thing as me. See, we are alike 🙂

    • Umm……no. On the one hand you have a prediction of some future event. On the other you have someone claiming something actually happened (without any evidence of course) and asking us to take them at their word.

      You’re analogy would be better if you had claimed the WTC had fallen on 9/11 and I refused to believe you. Of course, there was ample evidence that morning demonstrating this had, in fact, happened. So I ask: where is the evidence of these martial law roadsigns?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Just one persons word, it don’t mean it’s true. I’m not sure why all the hoopla over it, I was joking with D13 about it cuz I thought it was funny. It may also have something to do with the border area if it’s true. Why are you so freaked out about it?

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Bye the way Buck, what is so wrong with the DHS having such signs? Should they not be prepared for any scenario? They may be for another Hurricane issue like New Orleans. What say you?

  27. gmanfortruth says:
  28. gmanfortruth says:

    Give them an inch, then they want a mile. We should never let decisions be made when emotions are peaked. When that happens you end up like the Aussies, screwed. http://www.prisonplanet.com/australian-gun-grabbers-target-bolt-action-firearms.html

  29. I am leaving Facebook for teapartycommunity.com . A social site for Conservatives. I invite any who want to come join if you are tired of Facebooks Liberal crap.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I don’t have any issues with Facebook and liberal crap (i’m not on facebook very much), whats the problem Esom?

  30. gmanfortruth says:
    • Just A Citizen says:

      Damn straight. She deserved much more but did not get it.

      I watched Dem committee members give speeches complimenting her and wishing her well in her 2015 endeavors. What a bunch of SHEEET Heads.

  31. gmanfortruth says:

    This is still news. Seems the school officials still think a 5 year old girl can be a terrorist. As Charlie would say OY Vey 🙄 http://www.prisonplanet.com/school-will-not-back-down-over-five-year-old-girls-bubble-gun-terroristic-threat.html

  32. gmanfortruth says:

    I would have never thought I would hear such words in out country when I was growing up. The end of this video is an eye opener. http://conservativevideos.com/2013/01/anonymous-responds-to-obamas-2013-gun-control-policy/

  33. gmanfortruth says:

    Just wondering what you folks think of China backing the Yuan with gold? I see it as the disaster that many of us has been prepping for, or darn close to it.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      I raised this question a few months back. The Colonel and Black Flag indicated it was not big deal as China would not go to a gold backed currency.

      Guess we’ll see for sure. It would certainly put a crimp in their “inflationary” practices and thus dampen their growth.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        JAC, I’m calling this a rumor right now. I also predicted this would happen, and was told that it was not likely. That is not important. What is important is, if this is true, what does this mean to the dollar and it’s status as reserve currency in the future.

  34. This Is TheBlaze’s Point-by-Point Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory Debunk


    G-I think this will help answer a lot or maybe all the questions you had about Sandy Hook .

    • gmanfortruth says:

      V.H. LOL, i look at conspiracy theories as entertainment for the most part, and I have seen all the videos for and against. At this point, my only doubt is the use of the AR-15. So far there is no evidence that has been shown to the public to support it. Just words from so called authorities. All the other stuff is unimportant. Thanks for the info! 🙂

  35. Just A Citizen says:

    Gman and V.H.

    I saw that Sanger came up again today regarding abortion and her “racism”.

    So I thought you might like to read this, in case you missed it. If you did mention it but I missed it, I apologize.


    Buck……….. I suggest you read it as well. You will be surprised. Especially give the site where it was posted.

    • Yes, I was aware that Sanger was against abortion-but the woman wasn’t evil because she thought contraception was a good idea-she was evil because of Why she thought contraception was a good idea-and how anyone can read or listen too her actual words and have any respect for her is beyond me.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Anyone who supports Eugenics is evil in my book. It is not uncommon for people to say one thing and contradict themselves by their actions.

  36. gmanfortruth says:

    This is an interesting article concerning the healthcare of the elderly. Technology today is a very formidable asset, and also very expensive at the moment. This article covers many aspects of todays concerns about tech and privacy. http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2013/January/10/matrix-meets-medicine.aspx

  37. gmanfortruth says:

    Question for everyone. I have thought about doing a periodic “open mic” on my blog to share “recipe’s”. With food prices going up, good recipe’s to feed the family on the cheap would be helpful. It would also help those who need help cooking wild game. I just tried a great chicken pot pie recipe that could feed 4 or more on the cheap, and was great.

    Let me know if your interested! 😉

    • Got a good chili recipe?

      • Oh I’d like others too-Probably won’t be cooking any wild game though 🙂

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Yes I do, several actually. What do you think, a good idea? I’ll do it on my blog and we can share away!

      • 3 lbs fresh Roma tomatoes chopped
        1 lb meat (can be shredded pork, hamburger, chicken, left over beef roast, road kill)
        2 green peppers chopped
        1 red pepper chopped
        1 onion chopped
        2 cans drained kidney beans or 2 cups dried pinto or kidneys soaked over night
        1 table spoon Worchester sauce
        Ground black pepper
        Sea salt
        1.5 tsp oregano
        1-2 Table spoon chili powder
        1/4 tsp paprika
        6-8 dried red chili peppers (whole) or fresh jalapenos (chopped no seeds)
        2 bay leaves
        1 Table spoon Hershey’s cocoa
        1-2 Table spoon sugar (to offset the bitterness of the cocoa)
        Brown meat with onion and half of the peppers.
        Combine all ingredients in a large Crockpot and cook for 8-10 hrs.
        Remove bay leaves and red peppers.
        Top with shredded cheddar cheese onion, serve w/cornbread

  38. Gman…….I have seen no such reports nor signs on martial law.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      That Sir, is a good thing. It sure caused a hoopla on here, not sure why, it’s just signs. I’ve seen signs that said blizzard route, that don’t mean we’re going to get a blizzard. 🙄

  39. Benghazi and Hillary Clinton…..

    Benghazi was nothing more than political sacrifice. These men were sacrificed for the election. I believe that totally….so do most of the military and the CIA.

    Hillary Clinton is taking the sword…everybody knows this.

    And it does make a difference how they were killed……..our government ignored the warning signs and the warning cables all the while saying that the threat of Al Queda was dead and no longer a threat. IT is a bigger threat now than before Afghanistan….and it was ignored and people died. This issue is beyond incompetence…..it was premeditated.

    • The video had NOTHING……..NOTHING at all to do with this issue. Military commanders now pay little or no attention to what is coming out of the WH or the POTUS. We make our decisions based on our own intelligence and nothing is reported much anymore because it is white washed, sanitized, lied about, and ignored. We just do our job. We very rarely report the border stuff anymore. We just simply take care of it. It is a State issue as far as Texas and New Mexico are now concerned. We know NOT TO EXPECT squat from the Feds. They shoot bean bags and are laughed at more that Monty Python. As a matter of practical record, the individuals employed by the Fed on the border now call the Texas contingent because we will give them backup.

      Washington is a sham….and this administration condones it. More so than any administration in my history….unbelievable.

  40. AS to China and the gold standard……the one way to drive gold pries to zero ……..have a gold standard. China can ill afford this…it would be beyond stupid. BUT……stranger things have happened.

    The only thing that will hurt the US……keep printing and spending money creating even higher inflation.

  41. gmanfortruth says:

    The video in this article is a must see video. I will leave it at that 🙂

  42. Texas chili……not for the weak…….D13’s recipe.

    2 tablespoons vegetable oil
    3 pounds boneless beef chuck, cut in 1/2 inch cubes (cooks down)
    1 large onion, chopped
    3 cloves garlic, minced
    2 teaspoons corn meal
    1/8 cup chili powder
    1 tablespoon ground cumin
    1 tablespoon dried oregano
    3 cups beef broth
    2 Jalepeno peppers w/seeds
    1 1/2 teaspoon salt
    1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper
    1/2 teaspoon cayenne
    water as needed ( for thickness )

    In a large pot, preferably black iron, over med-high heat (propane or gas heat is more preferable than electric), sear the beef in the oil until browned. Do this in batches if necessary. Add the onions to the beef and sauté for 5 minutes. Add the garlic and corn meal, and cook for one minute.

    Add all remaining ingredients and bring to a boil, reduce the heat to low and simmer 1 1/2 hours, stirring occasionally. Water can be added during the cooking to adjust for thinner or thicker chili. Do not crock the chili,,,,,,slow simmer in large pot.

    Chow down !!!!!! It is better after 24 hours…….but beware….it is not for the young.

  43. gmanfortruth says:

    New Missouri Law Will Force Parents to Register Firearms With Their Local School

    Kimberly Paxton
    The Daily Sheeple
    Jan 24, 2013

    Attn. Missouri Gun Owners: Please Report to the Principal’s Office

    Adding another chapter to the book of “How to Vilify American Gun Owners”, a new bill on the table of the Missouri State Senate would require parents to notify their child’s school if they own a firearm.

    Not reporting the acquisition of a new gun to your child’s school would become a criminal offense.

    State Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal says that the bill she introduced will help to end school violence. “It encourages parents to make sure they store their guns safely in their home, it also gives the school districts the opportunity to help encourage gun safety in the community and in the household.”

    Chappelle-Nadal says that she “believes in the 2nd amendment” but hopes this will bring awareness to the need to “lock up guns.”

    This registration would be available to the police, of course, to “help them solve crimes.”


    Bet ya can’t guess what political party she is in !!! 🙂

  44. gmanfortruth says:

    Is anybody actually worried about N.Korea? I’m not sure what all the hoopla is about, more fear mongering?

  45. gmanfortruth says:
    • Nothing to worry about.There are other methods (classified) that we have deployed that are better than this. These devices have been in service for some time and this is not an Obama thing but a military waste of money today and suggested. It is outdated and has been replaced with much more outward facing detection efforts as well as ground detection. We have sensors that can pick up a flea fart at 100 miles and Texas/New Mexico have a cooperative effort for air surveillance and we pick up everything now and follow it. Air incursions on the Texas/New Mexico remote areas has been curtailed almost percent. Especially since we shot down a Mexican helicopter that inadvertently crossed our border a few months back and did not respond to IFF codes. They got three miles inland before being blasted.

  46. Women in combat…you knew I would have something to say on this. Are ya ready?

    First of all…..there are women helicopter pilots, fighter pilots, and artillery officers. There are women in convoys and medical teams that see combat. So, women in combat…is nothing new, We had nurses at forward operating bases in Vietnam. No big deal.

    This is an issue pushed by two women who want “ground” combat duty and the right to try for special forces. So, here is D13’s opinion. DO NOT CHANGE THE STANDARDS…..and if a female wants to pee standing up……go for it. As a former Senior TAC officer in charge of combat activities in OCS, here is what I observed.

    Men are required to pass the APFT..which is.

    1) minimum requirement in two minutes – 45 pushups – maximum requirement 60 pushups.
    2) minimum requirement in two minutes – 45 crunches – maximum 60. (situps bent leg)
    3)Two mile run in combat boots and 45 pound combat load…. two 8 minute miles…70 pound combat load for special forces.
    4) minimum requirement in two minutes – 25 dead weight pullups. (hands forward)
    5) 45 second dead man lift for 100 meters ( wounded soldier and weapons ) Picking up a soldier and carrying him for 100 meters with both weapons in 45 seconds.
    6) accomplish 60 ft vertical rope climb with combat load (45 pounds) no time limit.
    7) 80 ft Australian crawl rappel with combat pack and live fire.
    8) 150 pound minimum dead weight lift.

    I was a senior TAC for 4 years. Only one woman out of approximately 200 in my classes passed for combat.

    This is the minimum requirement for combat. Do not change these standards and any woman that can do this…….welcome.

    Other points to consider which was manifest in summer camp that I observed,

    (1) There are no men and women restrooms or shower facilities in the field.
    (2) There are no privacy areas for sanitation reasons. ( menstrual )
    (3) A high volume loss of blood during a woman’s cycle sapped her strength approximately 30 percent and in extreme heat (over 100 degrees) most of the women fainted or were rendered non functional in a combat environment.
    (4) Fraternization became a problem in the field and security lacked because of it.
    (5) Women would wander off to try to find privacy for latrine uses…..and would get captured or be out of protective range. When in true combat environments, you do not erect tents and showers for latrine use. That will get you killed.
    (6) You bathe in streams and lakes and rivers with over watch protection.
    (7) Even worse, a woman has to accept the fact that RAPE is a certainty in captivity. IT WILL HAPPEN and is an accepted form of interrogation in many countries.

    Even in those armies that allow women in ground combat…..it is defensive only. The Israelis even changed their combat roles for women.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I don’t like the idea of women on the frontlines in a soldier role. That would cause many problems that are just not needed. Next thing you know they will let women in the “INTELLIGENCE” field. 😆

      Ducking and hiding 🙂

  47. gmanfortruth says:

    For those who want to know who the enemy is: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/01/the-big-list-of-who-hates-guns/

    • Several interesting things from that list but the Hollywood-types are the most hypocritical. How many have been in movies where guns were used and even more specifically, gun violence?

      Also, in that first section – why are there so many groups for black people? How racist is that? Where is the White Nurses Group or the White Policeman’s Group?

  48. gmanfortruth says:

    Did we ever come to an agreement on the gun violence issue? I know we disagree on some things, but don’t recall an solutions.

  49. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/suburbs/naperville/chi-naperville-smart-meter-arrest-20130123,0,6519967.story

    Government applied force used to install “smart” meters. False statements used to justify their use. It is a “meter”. It measures electrical usage. It cannot save energy or change efficiency. It can be used to “force” you to change your usage. Run your A/C when it’s really hot like everybody else, they will require you to use the electricity you pay them to provide to better suit them.

    The other side of it, power companies are not able to build more plans because of the EPA & are forced to close many existing plants. The only answer is to force lower electrical usage. This is an example of big gov. & big business using their power to force compliance.
    This is small “f” Fascism.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      There is nothing small “f” about it. This is FASCISM, pure and simple.

      Lets not confuse Nazism and Fascism on this site. SUFA knows better.

      • I call it small “f” because it’s not officially recognized as such. Italy proudly proclaimed itself to be Fascists. We have allowed our government to act as fascists but cloak it in other terms. They explain away the bad, hurtful words and America goes back to sleep…

    • gmanfortruth says:

      One other reason to dislike these smart meters is that it costs jobs. It will be interesting to see if people have there power turned off by these things to save power during peek usage times. I think I’d like to get off the grid and make my own power 🙂

  50. gmanfortruth says:

    Buck, This is for you, what do you think? http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/01/left-thinks-rights-from-obama/

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I think it is PROPAGANDA.

      Maybe that is not accurate. It is after all an OPINION piece. But that is all it is.

      However, note how the opinion is presented as some sort of fact. Without any source to support the claim.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Of course it’s propaganda. That seems to be almost everything that is written is propaganda anymore. What can we believe when it comes to the media? I have more faith in the direct reports from the alternative media, that have no opinion written within them. The MSM is totally sold out and untrustworthy.

  51. PeterB in Indianapolis says:

    Global Sea Ice Update:

    Northern Hemisphere -0.881 M Km^2
    Southern Hemisphere +0.705 M Km^2

    So, even after the big August Storm that broke up a bunch of the Arctic Sea Ice and flushed it out into the Bearing Sea where it proceeded to melt, Northern Hemisphere Sea Ice is only 881,000 square kilometers below the 1979-2000 average (higher than it was in January 2008 during the recovery from the previous “lowest arctic ice extent ever”). Pretty impressive considering how much Arctic Ice was destroyed by that early August storm!

    Then, we have Southern Hemisphere Sea Ice, which is currently 705,000 square kilometers ABOVE normal for this date, tying the record for most SH sea ice recorded since 1979 for this date!

    So, overall, GLOBALLY, sea ice is only 176,000 square kilometers below normal, which is well within 1 standard deviation of normal.

    This has been your periodic Global Sea Ice Update! As you were 🙂

    • Just A Citizen says:


      But it is NOT as thick as it used to be. Why don’t you understand this?

      By the way, I saw a mayor of some coastal town in California the other day, state with absolute certainty that the “Ocean has risen 8 inches” in the past few decades.

      That is right……… 8 inches. No disputing it either. This is the FACT……….the TRUTH.

      So what say you?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        He is confusing a rising ocean with a sinking California 😆

      • PeterB in Indianapolis says:


        Of course the Northern Hemisphere sea ice isn’t currently “as thick as it used to be”. There was a big melt in 2007, and the big storm-induced melt of 2012, so most of the current ice is 1-year ice, which isn’t as thick (naturally) as 2-year or 3-year ice.

        However, what IS impressive, is that the NH Sea Ice has made a very nice recovery from the September 2012 low, and barring another storm system that stalls right over the pole in Summer of 2013, next year should be even icier (which some people think is a good thing).

        Personally, I prefer warmer winters to cold and snowy winters, but if a bunch of years with growing arctic and antarctic sea ice, cold, and snow will shut up the AGW Yayhoos, then I guess I am all for 20 years of “extreme” cold if necessary!!! 🙂

  52. gmanfortruth says:
  53. gmanfortruth says:
  54. gmanfortruth says:

    The NYPD is adding to Bloomberg’s twilight zone version of life in New York City by skewing crime stats. “In recent years, the integrity of the Police Department’s crime statistics has been questioned as accounts emerge by officers who say they are being pressured by their bosses to reduce the number of felony incidents reported,” the New York Times reported in September. “In interviews, numerous police officers and supervisors said that in order to keep reported crimes low, the police do seek out opportunities to ‘downgrade’ crimes, classifying as misdemeanors crimes that could, and often should, be classified as felonies.”


    If this is actually happening, then the gun grabbers know that gun control doesn’t work. By continuing to taught gun control, they are knowingly putting citizens in harms way (at least they are attempting too). What kind of a crime are they committing by these actions? If there is a crime being committed, can the people file a criminal complaint and have these politicians arrested?

  55. Sen. Dianne Feinstein opens up anti-gun presser with a prayer
    January 24, 2013 | 11:16 am

    As Sen. Diane Feinstein opened her press conference on gun control, she invited Dean of the National Cathedral Rev. Canon Gary Hall to offer a prayer.

    Hall spoke briefly before the prayer, calling for Washington legislators to stop fearing the gun lobby and fulfill their “moral duty” to restrict guns.

    “Everyone in this city seems to live in terror of the gun lobby,” Hall said. “But I believe that the gun lobby is no match for the cross lobby.”

    Hall said that he could no longer justify a society that allowed ordinary citizens to keep and bear “assault weapons.”

    During the prayer, Hall asked God to “bless our elected leaders with the wisdom and the courage needed to bring about the changes that the people demand.”


    “Hall asked God to “bless our elected leaders with the wisdom and the courage needed to bring about the changes that the people demand.””

    Wow, what kind of Prayer is that? Does the man want God’s wisdom or just to demand that God concede to his!

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Hall asked God to “bless our elected leaders with the wisdom and the courage needed to bring about the changes that the people demand.”

      The only people demanding this are the useful idiots. 👿

    • Why does he not get out from behind the clerical collar and start walking those mean streets at midnight. Maybe a little proactive gospel spreading would help.

  56. D.C. man who shot dogs biting boy could face charges
    City wants to know if gun he used was legal

    The Washington Times

    Wednesday, January 23, 2013

    D.C. police are investigating whether a man will face criminal charges for shooting a pit bull that was attacking a child in his neighborhood.

    The incident unfolded Sunday afternoon, after three pit bulls attacked an 11-year-old boy as he rode his bicycle through the Brightwood neighborhood of Northwest, according to a police report.

    When the man, a neighbor, saw the boy being mauled by the dogs, he went inside his home and got a gun. The man killed one of the dogs. The gunfire attracted the attention of a police officer in the area near Eighth and Sheridan streets, where the attack occurred. The officer responded and shot the other two pit bulls as they continued to attack the boy.

    The police report, which did not identify any of the people involved, said the boy suffered severe lacerations. The Washington Post, which first reported the details of the shooting, quoted the boy’s uncle as saying the boy was also shot in the foot.

    Metropolitan Police Department spokeswoman Gwendolyn Crump said Wednesday that the entire case, including whether the man legally owned the gun he used to kill the dog, is under investigation.

    While public opinion might be supportive of the man’s actions, he could still face significant charges depending on the outcome of the investigation, criminal defense attorney Daniel Gross said.

    “I’ve seen cases where people used weapons in defense of others, but the U.S. attorney’s office is not always so understanding,” said Mr. Gross, who represents many clients charged with firearms-related crimes in the District. “There are certain defenses one could try, like self-defense or defense of others, but that wouldn’t really go to whether they charge you.”

    The man could face a host of charges depending on the specifics of the case, including whether the gun used is a registered firearm that the man was legally permitted to own, Mr. Gross said. Possession of an unregistered firearm or ammunition is punishable by up to one year in prison and a $1,000 fine, and determining whether the man legally possessed the gun used will likely have greater bearing on the way the case is handled, Mr. Gross said.

    Low-level unregistered firearms and ammunitions charges generally are prosecuted by the D.C. office of the attorney general, but additional charges could mean the case is bumped up to the U.S. attorney’s office.

    “In this case, it would likely be the U.S. attorney’s office, and their discretion is sometimes less than local prosecutors,” Mr. Gross said.

    Also to be taken into consideration is whether the man was within his property line when he fired the weapon — a small but significant distinction. Mr. Gross said it could mean the difference in whether he could be charged with carrying a pistol without a license.

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/23/man-who-shot-dogs-biting-boy-could-face-charges/#ixzz2Iv8ABHK3
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

    I think this is a very interesting situation-People keep saying we should enforce our current laws-well these are the current laws. should they be enforced? does it just show the craziness of our current laws? Or should there just be exceptions depending on circumstances? Or should this man be prosecuted? Then adding on charges like carrying a weapon because he left his property line-what about those in cases like this?

    • Oh, and the reason I think it would be interesting to discuss. Is because it takes it out of the realm of the general and moves it into specifics, which is much harder to answer. Which helps to point out the short comings or problems that will be faced when enforcing such decrees.

      • Maybe we should just pass a law that states “If a gun or other defensive devise is used to Save a life and no other life was harmed-any investigation about the person or devise used for the purpose of prosecution is illegal and will not be allowed as evidence in any trial. Or something along those lines 🙂

        • gmanfortruth says:

          This is why Liberals should be banned from making laws. Some of the charges mentioned could violate the 2nd Amendment and be fought in court. This guy should be deemed a hero for saving the child, but as is the norm in Liberal land, he will likely land in jail and spend a lot of money fighting the ignorance of the useful idiots that have been allowed to write and pass laws. This is also why gun control laws are a failure to society.

          • Perhaps, but let’s look a little deeper at the core question. Are we going to enforce the laws we write or not? And if we are how do we handle situations like the one before us.
            Unless your answer is that we should have No limits at all on gun ownership. Period, Nata, None. Is that your answer?

            • gmanfortruth says:

              V Yes that is my answer. It should be everyone’s personal responsibility to be prepared to defend themselves at all times. If all the good people were armed, there would be NO bad people as compared to today.

        • Let’s change that a little. 🙂 “If a gun or other defensive devise is used to Save a life, any investigation about the legality of said devise, used for the purpose of prosecution is illegal and will not be allowed as evidence in any trial.” That still probably needs a lot of legal jargon to make it right but that feels more– right.

    • Bottom Line says:

      Do y’all remember the other day when I made the point that law cannot keep up with the real world, and that ultimately it boils down to individual choice of right/wrong-good/evil?

      This is a perfect example.

      The guy obviously did the right thing, but not according to the law. We see these types of incidences frequently, and yet people still have faith in coercive law, …still try to use law to make things right…as if it can.

      This is why I am an Anarchist/Libertarian

  57. What difference does it make? 🙄

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Anita my dear….you have me………ROTFLMAO…………..

      • Ranks right up there with ‘you didn’t build that’. I was watching and actually giving her credit for holding her own..then she went bipolar with that inside pitch, and after that the only ones with any guts to question her were McCain and Paul. As PO’d as the R’s were before the election, it didn’t come across in the questioning. Bunch of sissies..or should I say ENABLERS!

        What difference does it make? It makes a lot of difference!

        I bet Chris Stevens thought it made a difference.
        I bet the Marines who were left stranded thought it made a difference.
        It makes a difference that she dances around the truth.
        It makes a difference that while her words say she takes responsibility, she really doesn’t.
        The difference amounts to a lack of trust of all branches of government.

        On top of that I read that every question was pre screened. Criminals..all of them. And we still don’t have the answers. 👿

  58. gmanfortruth says:

    Maybe we should ban Obama 🙄

    He sure has killed a lot of kids, why isn’t Feinstein pissing and moaning about these murders?

  59. gmanfortruth says:

    Yippee! it’s going to warm up a bit! Just got this email, thought I would share 🙂

  60. So what if abortion ends life?
    I believe that life starts at conception. And it’s never stopped me from being pro-choice VIDEO
    By Mary Elizabeth Williams

    Of all the diabolically clever moves the anti-choice lobby has ever pulled, surely one of the greatest has been its consistent co-opting of the word “life.” Life! Who wants to argue with that? Who wants be on the side of … not-life? That’s why the language of those who support abortion has for so long been carefully couched in other terms. While opponents of abortion eagerly describe themselves as “pro-life,” the rest of us have had to scramble around with not nearly as big-ticket words like “choice” and “reproductive freedom.” The “life” conversation is often too thorny to even broach. Yet I know that throughout my own pregnancies, I never wavered for a moment in the belief that I was carrying a human life inside of me. I believe that’s what a fetus is: a human life. And that doesn’t make me one iota less solidly pro-choice.

    As Roe v. Wade enters its fifth decade, we find ourselves at one of the most schizo moments in our national relationship with reproductive choice. In the past year we’ve endured the highest number of abortion restrictions ever. Yet support for abortion rights is at an all-time high, with seven in 10 Americans in favor of letting Roe v. Wade stand, allowing for reproductive choice in all or “most” cases. That’s a stunning 10 percent increase from just a decade ago. And in the midst of this unique moment, Planned Parenthood has taken the bold step of reframing the vernacular – moving away from the easy and easily divisive words “life” and “choice.” Instead, as a new promotional film acknowledges, “It’s not a black and white issue.”

    It’s a move whose time is long overdue. It’s important, because when we don’t look at the complexities of reproduction, we give far too much semantic power to those who’d try to control it. And we play into the sneaky, dirty tricks of the anti-choice lobby when we on the pro-choice side squirm so uncomfortably at the ways in which they’ve repeatedly appropriated the concept of “life.”

    Here’s the complicated reality in which we live: All life is not equal. That’s a difficult thing for liberals like me to talk about, lest we wind up looking like death-panel-loving, kill-your-grandma-and-your-precious-baby storm troopers. Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity inside of her. Always.

    When we on the pro-choice side get cagey around the life question, it makes us illogically contradictory. I have friends who have referred to their abortions in terms of “scraping out a bunch of cells” and then a few years later were exultant over the pregnancies that they unhesitatingly described in terms of “the baby” and “this kid.” I know women who have been relieved at their abortions and grieved over their miscarriages. Why can’t we agree that how they felt about their pregnancies was vastly different, but that it’s pretty silly to pretend that what was growing inside of them wasn’t the same? Fetuses aren’t selective like that. They don’t qualify as human life only if they’re intended to be born.

    When we try to act like a pregnancy doesn’t involve human life, we wind up drawing stupid semantic lines in the sand: first trimester abortion vs. second trimester vs. late term, dancing around the issue trying to decide if there’s a single magic moment when a fetus becomes a person. Are you human only when you’re born? Only when you’re viable outside of the womb? Are you less of a human life when you look like a tadpole than when you can suck on your thumb?

    We’re so intimidated by the wingnuts, we get spooked out of having these conversations. We let the archconservatives browbeat us with the concept of “life,” using their scare tactics on women and pushing for indefensible violations like forced ultrasounds. Why? Because when they wave the not-even-accurate notion that “abortion stops a beating heart” they think they’re going to trick us into some damning admission. They believe that if we call a fetus a life they can go down the road of making abortion murder. And I think that’s what concerns the hell out of those of us who support unrestricted reproductive freedom.

    But we make choices about life all the time in our country. We make them about men and women in other nations. We make them about prisoners in our penal system. We make them about patients with terminal illnesses and accident victims. We still have passionate debates about the justifications of our actions as a society, but we don’t have to do it while being bullied around by the vague idea that if you say we’re talking about human life, then the jig is up, rights-wise.

    It seems absurd to suggest that the only thing that makes us fully human is the short ride out of some lady’s vagina. That distinction may apply neatly legally, but philosophically, surely we can do better. Instead, we let right-wingers perpetuate the sentimental fiction that no one with a heart — and certainly no one who’s experienced the wondrous miracle of family life — can possibly resist tiny fingers and tiny toes growing inside a woman’s body. We give a platform to the notion that, as Christina Locke opined in a recent New York Times Op-Ed, “motherhood had slyly changed us. We went from basking in the rights that feminism had afforded us to silently pledging never to exercise them. Nice mommies don’t talk about abortion.”

    Don’t they? The majority of women who have abortions – and one in three American women will – are already mothers. And I can say anecdotally that I’m a mom who loved the lives she incubated from the moment she peed on those sticks, and is also now well over 40 and in an experimental drug trial. If by some random fluke I learned today I was pregnant, you bet your ass I’d have an abortion. I’d have the World’s Greatest Abortion.

    My belief that life begins at conception is mine to cling to. And if you believe that it begins at birth, or somewhere around the second trimester, or when the kid finally goes to college, that’s a conversation we can have, one that I hope would be respectful and empathetic and fearless. We can’t have it if those of us who believe that human life exists in utero are afraid we’re somehow going to flub it for the cause. In an Op-Ed on “Why I’m Pro-Choice” in the Michigan Daily this week, Emma Maniere stated, quite perfectly, that “Some argue that abortion takes lives, but I know that abortion saves lives, too.” She understands that it saves lives not just in the most medically literal way, but in the roads that women who have choice then get to go down, in the possibilities for them and for their families. And I would put the life of a mother over the life of a fetus every single time — even if I still need to acknowledge my conviction that the fetus is indeed a life. A life worth sacrificing.


    “A life worth sacrificing.”

    I don’t know what to say. She is saying straight out-yes, I am murdering a baby and that’s okay because I’m more important. Well, she’s right about one thing-there would we no reason to argue the right and wrong of abortion with this woman-she couldn’t care less about right and wrong-all she cares about is her self.

    • The reason your stuck with the Pro-choice label against the word Life-is because that is what the debate is about. A woman’s right to choose over the babies right to live. You just admitted the only reasonable reason you guys use to have the right to abortion is a sham and a lie.

  61. JAC…. nothing yet….and I lost your email. Please send me another.

  62. So much abortion talk and then this video pops up in my newsfeed on FB. Perspective.

  63. LOL! Flies do cling to shit and man, that’s a big pile of it right there!


  64. Just A Citizen says:

    Republicans…………. a party of nothing but old, rich, white, men.


    Maybe the Dems should pay more attention to FACTS.


  65. Exhaustipated: v. Too tired to give a shit

  66. I need to post because it’s important to see what scum these people are, but VH, you may want to skip:


  67. D13, one problem solved!


  68. It’s late and I’m tired-so I’ll have to read this again tomorrow to decide what I think about it-but I thought JAC specifically and maybe others would enjoy reading it. Course it’ll probably make Charlie crazy 🙂

    Whose Morality Is It Anyway?
    Can there be right and wrong without God?


    Walter Hudson

    January 15, 2013 – 7:00 am

    A pastor visiting our church shared a story from when his children were young. The oldest was four years old, and the younger three, when their mother served them grapes on the vine. As they plucked the sweet fruit, the younger child asked of the older, “How does Mommy get the grapes on there?”

    Summoning elder gravitas, the firstborn replied, “Mommy doesn’t put the grapes on there.

    “The store does.”

    Children have a wonderful way of modeling our deficiencies. While it is easy to laugh at the reasoning of a child, we ought to consider how silly our reasoning might prove if the whole truth were known. Indeed, if we cannot point to an idea or two which we have reconsidered in light of new evidence, it cannot be said we have grown.

    One idea which I used to hold, which made perfect sense to me at the time and still makes perfect sense to most of my Christian brethren, is the notion that man cannot rationally demonstrate an absolute morality in a world without God. My reasoning echoed that of Jeff Jacoby in a 2010 piece for Townhall. He wrote:

    For in a world without God, there is no obvious difference between good and evil. There is no way to prove that murder is wrong if there is no Creator who decrees “Thou shalt not murder.’’ It certainly cannot be proved wrong by reason alone. One might reason instead — as Lenin and Stalin and Mao reasoned — that there is nothing wrong with murdering human beings by the millions if doing so advances the Marxist cause. Or one might reason from observing nature that the way of the world is for the strong to devour the weak — or that natural selection favors the survival of the fittest by any means necessary, including the killing of the less fit.

    Reason is not enough. Only if there is a God who forbids murder is murder definitively evil. Otherwise its wrongfulness is a matter of opinion. Mao and Seneca approved of murder; we disapprove. What makes us think we’re right?

    This perspective contrasts with that typically offered by atheists and agnostics, who assert that right and wrong can be discerned without reference to the supernatural. As a Christian, it is tempting to respond to such skeptics as PJ Lifestyle contributor John Hawkins did while affirming Jacoby.

    Writing for his Right Wing News site, Hawkins claims “Without God, All Morality Is Subjective“:

    Put another way, if I steal $20 out of your wallet to spend on concert tickets, I’m a hypocrite. That’s because I know, you know, and Christians almost everywhere are going to agree that stealing that $20 out of your wallet is an immoral act.

    Now, is an atheist/agnostic violating her moral code if she steals $20 out of someone’s wallet? Maybe, maybe not. It’s entirely possible that she could reason that there’s nothing wrong with stealing $20 from someone if she doesn’t get caught. But, what if you’re an atheist/agnostic who disagrees with that reasoning? Well honestly, if there’s no God, humans are just sophisticated animals and it’s ultimately no more right or wrong for you to steal that $20 than it is for a chimp to grab another chimp’s banana while he’s flinging poo.

    As proofs of God’s existence go, this notion that morality could not otherwise exist is incomplete. Like the solution to a math problem given without showing work, it teaches nothing.

    True, morality could not exist without God. Nothing could, which remains the only proof of his existence that anyone needs. However, if a skeptic is not compelled by the necessity for a Cause of Cause, they aren’t likely to be compelled by a derivative of the same argument.

    Of course, the Great Commission of the Christian is not to compel skeptics with crafty arguments. Rather, our mission is to present biblical truth and leave the skeptic’s response to God. Yet, even here we fail if we utilize the commonly offered proof from morality, because it is neither wholly true nor biblical.

    It turns out that morality can be discerned through reason. As much was discovered in the twentieth century by Ayn Rand, whose philosophical system of objectivism claims a morality which is “absolute, objective, and secular.” Entire books have been written explaining her reasoning, and they must be read in order to fully understand it. For the sake of this discussion, here is objective morality in a nutshell.

    It begins by considering the Socratic questions offered by Christian apologist Michael Horner. He asks rhetorically:

    How do you get ethics from only different arrangements of space, time, matter and energy?

    A purely materialistic universe would be morally indifferent. Humans, like everything else in the universe, would be just accidental arrangements of atoms, and therefore, we could not justifiably declare that humans are objectively valuable. And why think the morality of the human species, above all other species, is objectively binding rather than just our opinion?

    Value stands out as the central concept here. Rand asked “of value to whom, and for what.” Her point was to define value as that which living things act to obtain and keep. All manner of values permeate our lives, from the mundane to the profound. Life sits atop a pedestal, valued above all. Only living things, those capable of self-generated self-sustaining action, can pursue value. Furthermore, that particular breed of creature which conceives of and pursues value though a process of thought – human beings – needs a code of behavior to determine which actions are life-affirming (good) and which are destructive (bad).

    Given that life is the basis of value, and action informed by rational thought is the only means for humans to obtain and keep their values, it follows that liberty is the condition in which men must live. Such objective liberty is not licentiousness, but merely the ability to act upon one’s judgment in pursuit of happiness without coercion from others, a condition made possible only by mutual respect of boundaries.

    That is how you get ethics from “only different arrangements of space, time, matter, and energy.” The material universe proves anything but “morally indifferent.” If morality is the code by which we arrive at choices, the material universe harshly rebukes those who choose to act against its nature.

    Heading off charges of heresy from my Christian brethren, let us turn to scripture for some confirmation. The apostle Paul writes in Romans 1:18:

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

    In the study bible which bears his name, John MacArthur writes of the Greek word translated “is revealed”:

    More accurately, “is constantly revealed.” The word essentially means “to uncover, make visible, or make known.” God reveals his wrath in two ways: 1) indirectly, through the natural consequences of violating his universal moral law, and 2) directly through his personal intervention…

    “Go and try to pour a ton of steel without rigid principles…” – Hank Rearden in Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

    In other words, even absent supernatural intervention, the created order punishes bad behavior. Rand put it another way:

    You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.

    Paul continues in Romans 1:19-20:

    For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

    Creation is God’s first testament, sufficient to hold men accountable to the moral law. As an atheist, it was surely not Rand’s intention to echo the apostle Paul. Nevertheless, both speak to the same essential truth, that the nature of reality presents evidence of a moral order. While irreconcilable differences persist between objectivism and the Christian worldview, rational thought should not be sold short by believers. After all, the ability to think is bestowed from on high.

    Acknowledging conversion as the work of God, Christians nonetheless want to avoid placing stumbling blocks in front of skeptical seekers. The commonly offered proof from morality can stumble, because it does not present the whole truth. Acknowledging that absolute standards of right and wrong can be discerned through reason in no way detracts from the glory of God. On the contrary, we should expect creation to testify to the will of its creator.

    Why is murder wrong? It deprives an individual of his right to life. How do we know such a right exists? It is derived from the concept of value, the recognition of life as the ultimate value, and the observation that individuals are an objective moral end onto themselves rather than a means to the ends of others. Craig Biddle, editor of The Objective Standard, fleshes out the argument.

    Of course, Biddle and his fellow objectivists would cringe at the intermingling of Rand’s theory of rights with the theistic claims of Christianity. Such objections are a topic for another day. Meanwhile, Christians should have no problem reconciling objective morality with their faith in God. The revelation of scripture builds upon what is objectively true. While objectivists reject revelation as a legitimate source of knowledge, Christians ought not reject or marginalize reason. After all, scripture doesn’t (Isaiah 1:18; Acts 17:2,17; 18:4,9; 19:8-9; James 3:17).

    It is through reason that we confirm our Christian faith. The fact that absolute morality has been objectively demonstrated bolsters the believer’s claim. As Isaiah spoke of “the circle of the earth” thousands of years before it was objectively proved to be round, so scripture spoke of absolute morality thousands of years before Ayn Rand objectively discerned it. Such discoveries take nothing away from God. On the contrary, they prove Him true.


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