I have friends who are police officers.. used to know a FBI agent by name (not saying we were friends or close, just knew each other). I’m having these dark thoughts because I am seeing more and more instances of police abuse. This is then followed by judicial corruption. Police have protection from legal consequences when they follow procedure. How many blatant abuses of their authority and immunity have happened lately? I remember when we were talking about the Aurora theater shooting the comments about having a CCW holder armed in that room. Some had the opinion that such a “civilian” would “blaze away”, injuring or killing innocents without regard. But they thought a “trained” law enforcement officer would have reduced the number shot without endangering those innocents.
( all of my comments are in red for this article)
Now that some time has passed, can we apply reality in place of what if’s or wishful thinking? Consider this NY shooting where there is one man armed with a pistol on a crowded street. He had just murdered a man and needed to be stopped, but how would you want the police to act if you were on that crowded sidewalk, walking or sitting on that bench when the police opened up….video here
And can you believe the ungrateful public is suing?
What about that cop killing cops and their family in LA? Where the police shot TWO vehicles just for being similar to the bad guy’s truck. A citizen can only shoot a vehicle when in fear for their life. Police sometimes operate at a different standard.
When I was a pastor in the Seattle area, I had a young man visit my church who had received graphic death threats against him and his girlfriend. He acquired a shotgun for defense. Eventually he had a confrontation with the person who he thought had written the threatening letters. For just pointing the shotgun at this person, he was immediately jailed and the prosecutor threatened him with multiple felony charges so that he was looking in life imprisonment. The young man was wrong and reckless, but it blows my mind how much of a double-standard we have in our society.
What do you think would happen if a family feared a killer and then, using privately owned weapons, shot up a truck moving down the street because it looked like one that was driven by the killer? You know Piers Morgan would be all over it! I doubt any reporter would say “it was a case of mistaken identity” if a private gun owner targeted a vehicle without checking who was inside.
The media were reporting that the police were “on high alert.” What does that mean? It means that the police were shooting at trucks that looked wrong, before they even checked who the driver was. I can sympathize with the police. I know they are in a stressful situation. But what makes them more trustworthy than the populace at large? What makes their “mistakes” so forgivable while those of private gun owners are evidence to the mainstream media that our gun rights need to be infringed more heavily by the police?
Accidents will happen with guns. By glossing over the accidents of some and trumpeting the accidents of others, the media perpetuates a war against free society and against the Second Amendment.
Here I can count at least 38 bullet holes.
A 71-year-old woman delivering newspapers with her daughter remained in intensive care Thursday night after she was shot twice in the back by Los Angeles police detectives during a massive manhunt for a fugitive ex-LAPD officer, according to the women’s’ attorney.
Emma Hernandez was delivering the Los Angeles Times with her daughter, Margie Carranza, 47, in Torrance early Thursday when police officers apparently mistook their pickup for that of Christopher Jordan Dorner, the 33-year-old fugitive suspected of killing three people and injuring two others.
Hernandez was in stable condition late Thursday.
The officers riddled the women’s blue pickup with bullets in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue. Carranza was also hit, according to attorney Glen T. Jonas, and received stitches to a finger.
“The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn’t take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don’t look like a large black man,” Jonas said.
Dorner is black, 6 feet tall and weighs 270 pounds.
Jonas said the women’s vehicle was also “the wrong color and the wrong model” compared to Dorner’s.
“We trust that the LAPD will step up and do the right thing and acknowledge that what they did was unacceptable and we’ll deal with it,”
I decided to do a bit of searching for just such wrongful death police shootings statistics, this morning, and I’ve come up short, but I did locate one interesting article which somewhat addresses this lack of statistical data on wrongful police shootings resulting in death at the website Blue Must Be True.
The article is titled How Often Do Police Use Excessive Force?, and here are a couple of interesting quotes from the piece. First, the answer to the question posed in the title.
“The incidence of wrongful use of force by police is unknown. Research is critically needed to determine reliably, validly, and precisely how often transgressions of use-of-force powers occur.” National Institute of Justice Research Report, Use of Force by Police, Overview of National and Local Data, October 1999, Ch. 1, pg.10 (link to this provided at site is defunct – ed.).
Additionally, the piece provides a possibly clear answer as to why statistics on wrongful police shootings resulting in the death of innocent individuals are unknown.
Another study conducted by Neal Trautman, Director of The National Institute of Ethics and presented at a conference of The International Association of Chiefs of Police in 2000 had even more stunning statistics concerning the police “Code of Silence.” It provided the following about police recruits:
Twenty-five basic law enforcement academies from 16 states took part in the research by administering and collecting 1,016 confidential questionnaires completed by academy recruits. The findings included that:
•79% said that a law enforcement Code of Silence exists and is fairly common throughout the nation.
•52% said the fact that a Code of Silence exists doesn’t really bother them.
•24% said the Code of Silence is more justified when excessive force involves a citizen who’s abusive.
•46% said they would not tell on another officer for having sex on duty.
•23% said they wouldn’t tell on another cop for regularly smoking marijuana off duty.
Another reason statistics on wrongful police shootings resulting in death of innocent individuals are unknown can be illustrated by a story out of Detroit, Michigan headlined Detroit Police Department seeks to dismiss officer whose fatal shootings have cost the city $7.5M, wherein we read this.
Detroit police are using accusations of payroll fraud to try to dismiss an officer whose fatal shootings have cost the city $7.5 million.
Isn’t it disturbing that a cop who has shot and killed two individuals, evidently wrongly if their killings are costing the city $7.5 million dollars, can’t be dismissed for killing people, but may possibly be dismissed for payroll fraud? And even dismissal for payroll fraud is only a possibility.
Billy is correct, in ending his post, with this statement.
They’re just hauling-off and killing us.
- It’s been about 10 years since I read Professor John Lott’s book, “More Guns, Less Crimes” but in it he states that you are more than, either 11 or 13, times more likely to be shot by a cop than a civilian.
It’s interesting to me that all the police shows on TV show us how careful police officers are during all their gun battles. But then, most police officers are never in a gun battle or have to shoot anyone. I suspect those in high crime areas face a different reality, maybe closer to a war zone than the America we think we know. Most people shot by police are criminals & repeat offenders, so I am ready to believe most shootings are the bad guy getting what he deserves and thank God the good guy lived to go home to his/her family. But the skeptic in me wants to know, not believe. The skeptic asks why they do not make public all the wrongful shootings? The doubter wonders why the media is aghast over Sandy Hook but the NY shooting received so little coverage. Trayvon Martin has/is receiving national attention which makes no sense to me except the media have an agenda. All the evidence reported indicated Martin attacked his shooter, not an “innocent” victim as the media has mostly portrayed. Compare that to the coverage given Oscar Grant, another young, black man tragically killed. But Grant was shot by a police officer, not a civilian with a CCW permit. Grant was shot in the back, supposedly “reaching into his waistband”. Apparently that happens a lot in these type shootings. Immediately after the shooting, officers tried to confiscate all cellphone cameras. They failed, but justice? The officer was sentenced to two years for manslaughter and served 11 months. We cannot trust our government or the media. I do not condone riots but the MLK marches had a reason behind them. Our government does not want to be held accountable. Our media is siding with them instead of us or simply doing their job of reporting. Should we have a moment of silence for Oscar Grant? Or have we been deafened by that silence…..