The Sound of Silence

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 I have friends who are police officers.. used to know a FBI agent by name (not saying we were friends or close, just knew each other).  I’m having these dark thoughts because I am seeing more and more instances of police abuse.  This is then followed by judicial corruption.  Police have protection from legal consequences when they follow procedure.  How many blatant abuses of their authority and immunity have happened lately?  I remember when we were talking about the Aurora theater shooting the comments about having a CCW holder armed in that room.  Some had the opinion that such a “civilian” would “blaze away”, injuring or killing innocents without regard.  But they thought a “trained” law enforcement officer would have reduced the number shot without endangering those innocents.

( all of my comments are in red for this article) 

Now that some time has passed, can we apply reality in place of what if’s or wishful thinking?  Consider this NY shooting where there is one man armed with a pistol on a crowded street.  He had just murdered a man and needed to be stopped, but how would you want the police to act if you were on that crowded sidewalk, walking or sitting on that bench when the police opened up….video here

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/was-nypd-responsible-10-11-people-shot-yesterday

And can you believe the ungrateful public is suing?

http://www.officer.com/news/10856841/nypd-sued-over-shooting-that-wounded-bystanders

What about that cop killing cops and their family in LA?  Where the police shot TWO vehicles just for being similar to the bad guy’s truck.  A citizen can only shoot a vehicle when in fear for their life.  Police sometimes operate at a different standard.

When I was a pastor in the Seattle area, I had a young man visit my church who had received graphic death threats against him and his girlfriend. He acquired a shotgun for defense. Eventually he had a confrontation with the person who he thought had written the threatening letters. For just pointing the shotgun at this person, he was immediately jailed and the prosecutor threatened him with multiple felony charges so that he was looking in life imprisonment. The young man was wrong and reckless, but it blows my mind how much of a double-standard we have in our society.

What do you think would happen if a family feared a killer and then, using privately owned weapons, shot up a truck moving down the street because it looked like one that was driven by the killer? You know Piers Morgan would be all over it! I doubt any reporter would say “it was a case of mistaken identity” if a private gun owner targeted a vehicle without checking who was inside.

The media were reporting that the police were “on high alert.” What does that mean? It means that the police were shooting at trucks that looked wrong, before they even checked who the driver was. I can sympathize with the police. I know they are in a stressful situation. But what makes them more trustworthy than the populace at large? What makes their “mistakes” so forgivable while those of private gun owners are evidence to the mainstream media that our gun rights need to be infringed more heavily by the police?

Accidents will happen with guns. By glossing over the accidents of some and trumpeting the accidents of others, the media perpetuates a war against free society and against the Second Amendment.

Here I can count at least 38 bullet holes.

A 71-year-old woman delivering newspapers with her daughter remained in intensive care Thursday night after she was shot twice in the back by Los Angeles police detectives during a massive manhunt for a fugitive ex-LAPD officer, according to the women’s’ attorney.

Emma Hernandez was delivering the Los Angeles Times with her daughter, Margie Carranza, 47, in Torrance early Thursday when police officers apparently mistook their pickup for that of Christopher Jordan Dorner, the 33-year-old fugitive suspected of killing three people and injuring two others.

Hernandez was in stable condition late Thursday.

The officers riddled the women’s blue pickup with bullets in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue. Carranza was also hit, according to attorney Glen T. Jonas, and received stitches to a finger.

“The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn’t take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don’t look like a large black man,” Jonas said.

Dorner is black, 6 feet tall and weighs 270 pounds.

Jonas said the women’s vehicle was also “the wrong color and the wrong model” compared to Dorner’s.

“We trust that the LAPD will step up and do the right thing and acknowledge that what they did was unacceptable and we’ll deal with it,”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/manhunt-newspaper-carrier-icu-shot-by-police.html

I decided to do a bit of searching for just such wrongful death police shootings statistics, this morning, and I’ve come up short, but I did locate one interesting article which somewhat addresses this lack of statistical data on wrongful police shootings resulting in death at the website Blue Must Be True.

The article is titled How Often Do Police Use Excessive Force?, and here are a couple of interesting quotes from the piece.  First, the answer to the question posed in the title.

“The incidence of wrongful use of force by police is unknown. Research is critically needed to determine reliably, validly, and precisely how often transgressions of use-of-force powers occur.” National Institute of Justice Research Report, Use of Force by Police, Overview of National and Local Data, October 1999, Ch. 1, pg.10 (link to this provided at site is defunct – ed.).

Additionally, the piece provides a possibly clear answer as to why statistics on wrongful police shootings resulting in the death of innocent individuals are unknown.

Another study conducted by Neal Trautman, Director of The National Institute of Ethics and presented at a conference of The International Association of Chiefs of Police in 2000 had even more stunning statistics concerning the police “Code of Silence.” It provided the following about police recruits:

Twenty-five basic law enforcement academies from 16 states took part in the research by administering and collecting 1,016 confidential questionnaires completed by academy recruits. The findings included that:


•79% said that a law enforcement Code of Silence exists and is fairly common throughout the nation.
•52% said the fact that a Code of Silence exists doesn’t really bother them.
•24% said the Code of Silence is more justified when excessive force involves a citizen who’s abusive.
•46% said they would not tell on another officer for having sex on duty.
•23% said they wouldn’t tell on another cop for regularly smoking marijuana off duty.

Another reason statistics on wrongful police shootings resulting in death of innocent individuals are unknown can be illustrated by a story out of Detroit, Michigan headlined Detroit Police Department seeks to dismiss officer whose fatal shootings have cost the city $7.5M, wherein we read this.

Detroit police are using accusations of payroll fraud to try to dismiss an officer whose fatal shootings have cost the city $7.5 million.

Isn’t it disturbing that a cop who has shot and killed two individuals, evidently wrongly if their killings are costing the city $7.5 million dollars, can’t be dismissed for killing people, but may possibly be dismissed for payroll fraud? And even dismissal for payroll fraud is only a possibility.

Billy is correct, in ending his post, with this statement.

They’re just hauling-off and killing us.

  1. It’s been about 10 years since I read Professor John Lott’s book, “More Guns, Less Crimes” but in it he states that you are more than, either 11 or 13, times more likely to be shot by a cop than a civilian.

http://www.improvedclinch.com/index.php/weblog/comments/they_dont_want_us_to_know/

It’s interesting to me that all the police shows on TV show us how careful police officers are during all their gun battles.  But then, most police officers are never in a gun battle or have to shoot anyone.  I suspect those in high crime areas face a different reality, maybe closer to a war zone than the America we think we know.  Most people shot by police are criminals & repeat offenders, so I am ready to believe most shootings are the bad guy getting what he deserves and thank God the good guy lived to go home to his/her family.  But the skeptic in me wants to know, not believe.  The skeptic asks why they do not make public all the wrongful shootings?  The doubter wonders why the media is aghast over Sandy Hook but the NY shooting received so little coverage.  Trayvon Martin has/is receiving national attention which makes no sense to me except the media have an agenda.  All the evidence reported indicated Martin attacked his shooter, not an “innocent” victim as the media has mostly portrayed.  Compare that to the coverage given Oscar Grant, another young, black man tragically killed.  But Grant was shot by a police officer, not a civilian with a CCW permit.  Grant was shot in the back, supposedly “reaching into his waistband”.  Apparently that happens a lot in these type shootings.  Immediately after the shooting, officers tried to confiscate all cellphone cameras.  They failed, but justice? The officer was sentenced to two years for manslaughter and served 11 months.  We cannot trust our government or the media.  I do not condone riots but the MLK marches had a reason behind them.  Our government does not want to be held accountable.  Our media is siding with them instead of us or simply doing their job of reporting.  Should we have a moment of silence for Oscar Grant?  Or have we been deafened by that silence…..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant

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  1. Ok, After some changes, we are back to normal. This should be an interesting discussion, mainly because LEO’s come in many forms and from many areas. I have found that LEO’s in rural areas are more people oriented than those in the urban areas. I would also say that a huge majority of Leo’s are not bad cops. I’ll start there 🙂

  2. Oh, phooey … I wanted to see what you lunatics had to say about Rutgers and the free market at baseball stadiums …
    The Rutgers Scandal (part deux) … Robinson Cano … Passione, John Turturro … SNHU MFA’ers getting published …
    http://temporaryknucksline.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-rutgers-scandal-part-deux-robinson.html

    • naten53 says:

      I read your article Charlie, and stopped at “I listen to the news (ESPN radio”, can I get a “bias” from the choir?

      Just kidding, I liked the article and agree that something is wrong in college and professional sports, but enough people pay to see these teams that their behavior will not change when they are making so much money.

      I didn’t see how to comment on your page, but I think this is a good topic for people at SUFA.

      • Naten, grazie. It just goes to show that EVEN SOCIALISTS expect high production 🙂

        I think it was HBO’s real sports that did the piece on college football players and contact (where they showed how X amount of contact per week diminished the brain’s ability to comprehend/retain … it was quite scary. Some schools were adhering to 1 contact practice per week, but many were not, including Air Force (where I believe the head coach has something special to do with the NCAA overseeing such stuff).

        It isn’t people paying the crazy prices … it’s corporations … the way the run the country, they run our leisure life … I don’t know when people get sick of it, but I was a long time ago.

        • The lunatic basketball coach has been FIRED !

          • What about the AD? And the President of the school. Unless the President didn’t know what was going on (hard to imagine), say so long, sucker. And look what it took for this to happen? Some guy blackmails the school for $1,000,000 or else … and the video hits the airwaves when they say no dice. Capitalism at it’s very best!

        • Hiya Charlie…….isnt this typical of human behavior? Christians fed to Lions for sport…..Gladiators to the death for sport…slaves sliced and diced for sport….dog fighting for sport….rooster fighting for sport….MMA shows on TV for sport…..boxing for sport……football….ice hockey….rugby……….

          Humans love life and death for sport….always have…..always will.

        • Another thing, Charlie…….if people did not like it….they would not pay for it….there would be no need for it….corporations would go elsewhere….it is people…….Corporations are only supplying what people want.

          • Colonel, I’m sure YOU remember Darrel Royal at Texas … Meat on the Hoof?

            If it’s what people want, let’s give it to them. Televise executions … charge premium prices on HBO … we can start in Texas, it looks like, where DAs brag they carry guns but the guns do them no good … it’s a crazy world, Colonel …

  3. This is abuse of power and against the 4th Amendment. NYC and the NYPD should be sued and held accountable.
    http://personalliberty.com/2013/04/03/nypds-policy-under-kelly-instill-fear/

  4. Interesting information. http://www.prisonplanet.com/how-to-stop-being-victimized-by-police.html

    I have always been polite to police when the rare times I interact with them. I would have to agree that we do not have to answer any questions at all.

  5. This is quickly becoming a pattern of activity that is not in the interest of freedom. Are we becoming a Police State?
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/veterans-guns-confiscated-after-forced-psychiatric-evaluation.html

    • This guy was not only forced into a psych ward for 72 hours, he was also drugged. This guy was totally railroaded. How the heck can you fight this illegal activity?

  6. Hey, I’ve been liked!
    http://everydaypowerblog.com/

    • I like you too 🙂

    • Prove it. Went to that site and didn’t see anything about anybody liking you…….

    • Just so you know, Bob Marley would NEVER agree to Ayn Rand’s philosophy on pretty anything.

      “The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively”

      Remember it …

      And since you like to call my morals those of a thief, remember this, Oh, Genius from up above: I was a capitalist when I was a criminal … does it make you think at least? Probably not.

      • As usual, you mistake being a Capitalist when in reality you were an opportunist that took advantage of the needy. No wonder you hate Capitalism, you don’t know what it is. 🙄 One day you will become educated, until then, we will all see you wearing the SUFA dunce cap and standing in the corner. 😆 Love Ya 🙂

  7. LOI…..interesting subject. I believe that LE must be held accountable…but how. Since I work the border all the time, allow me to impart some personal experience directly related to your article. On the border, in the bush, at 0100, we operate under the assumption that there is no innocent. No one is there by chance, they are there by choice. We operate under the assumption that all are armed and all will shoot when accosted. If a hand goes to a waist band or a back pack or anywhere other than in the air outstretched….they will get no warning. They will be shot….and they will be shot multiple times. And there are times, that a “pack mule” is an innocent. Innocent meaning that some poor migrant worker is forced to carry a back pack of drugs for the cartel under gun point. Usually, when accosted, the cartel member will use the migrant as a shield. The migrant can be a child, male, or female, and in one case, a pregnant female. We will try our best to avoid innocent casualties but they do occur.

    In the daytime, we operate under the belief that there is no innocent. We will shoot and we will shoot multiple times. We usually face cartel members with automatic weapons…..fully automatic and they will fire under the arms of their “pack mule” or over the shoulder all the while holding them in front as a shield. This is a common tactic and was used widely in Vietnam and Iraq. It is still used widely in kidnappings and extortion. The hardest job that I have to do is counseling a 20 year old that his shooting was justified……if an innocent was killed. The hidden factor is also this kid living with the fact that he/she just gunned down two or three bad guys, 20 million dollars worth of street drugs, and an innocent “pack mule” in the process. It is even worse if there is a child or female involved. The cartels do not care.

    Now, this is a far cry from LE on the streets………but is it really when the adrenaline gets pumping and the bullets get to flying. Have you ever played the sport of paint ball and just pulled the trigger once? I doubt it. You wanted the opposition dead. My point is that all the training in the world, does not prepare someone for real battle….border, streets, or war. Does this excuse inexcusable behavior? NO, it does not.

    Now, does regular LE on the street exercise superiority and a messiah complex? Yes. Are there unqualified LE on the streets that should not be there? Far too many. Does the LE have too much power? Yes. Is there a code of silence? Every personal friend that I have that is in LE….say YES. Does this code of silence ( much like Code Red in the military ) go too far? Yes.

    So, other than civilian courts, how do you hold the abuses accountable? You surely cannot go to the an internal investigation….and you probably will not get an unbiased oversight committee. So, how do we curb abuses, in ten percent of the cases?

    Even when we encounter the migrant workers, we assume armed. Any suspicious activity will likely get them shot. I am sure that an LE approaching a car with blacked out windows assumes there are no innocents and I do not blame him/her. The examples that you gave are startling…..but until there is a bullet that flies by your head……no one knows.

    Now please do not get me wrong….there should be accountability and there should be harsh punishment for abuses….not a slap on the wrist. BUT….how do you get the LE to void his code of silence”? We are very harsh in the military in the dispensing of punishment if we discover codes of silence……but in the civilian world?

    So what do you propose?

    • Good Day Colonel 🙂 We think it’s the last day of winter here, it’s only 24 degrees right now, tomorrow in the 50’s 🙂

      I have thought about this subject for some time, considering all the videos that have surfaced. Let me just say that accidents happen, in every work environment. LE’s are no different, and many work in a stressful environment, making matters worse.

      What I find unacceptable is blatant abuse and excessive force. While not all are provable, the LE’s that are caught red handed should pay a stiff penalty. I’m speaking of a monetary penalty for the first incident, paid to the victim. These fines would be for violating a person’s Constitutional rights and any act of unnecessary violence. The worse the incident, the higher the fine.

      If an officer knowingly arrests someone for a crime that was not committed, like in the cases of being filmed and not liking it, retraining should be included. Any second incident is a fine and suspension. Criminal charges are always on the table in any event, depending on the severity. Any third incident is termination and never allowed to serve in law enforcement for life.

      I also think that officers should be rotated out of high stress areas frequently. Once they get immune to the stress, that’s usually when they begin to get in trouble. I could write a book on this, but it’s a start, and it’s far from perfect. 🙂

    • D13,

      Not sure I have any proposals or solutions, just trying to say there is a problem. I think the media should be held to a higher standard & the double standard they apply to a civilian like Zimmerman vs the cop that killed Oscar Grant is no different than the state propaganda of the USSR. I would not try to apply normal LEO standards to a war zone, so the border situation cannot be judged like LA cops shooting up a truck without offering a chance to surrender. This was attempted murder. This was the blatant disregard of police procedures which protect LEO’s from making an honest mistake. I think these situations where the courts don’t hold police accountable undermines the trust we have in our government. We are all supposed to be equal before the law. When Leo’s willfully break the law but are excused from the consequences, it reflects on all government. How NY & LA deal with these illegal shootings will color how I react to LEO’s in Arkansas.

      American’s believe in “innocent until proven guilty”. They expect if confronted on a dark street by police to not be gunned down because it’s safer for the cop to shoot you than to take a chance your holding a cellphone, not a gun.

        • Two issues in this story that can be fixed. First, cops should never be on boards that determine right or wrong in the actions of other cops. Considering the well known “Code of Silence” this should be changed yesterday. Second, failure to communicate information and/or ask for information before entering crime scene. Much like a SWAT team invading the wrong house or apartment, the cops should be held liable and the victims of their mistakes not only made whole, but properly compensated. Not just by the departments insurance company or taxpayer funds, but by the officers themselves. They need to have their shit together all the time, not just when they are eating doughnuts and drinking coffee. 😉

  8. Being that discussion is slow on this subject, let’s move forward and see if we can’t find something to chat about. Let’s begin with the coming end of the U.S. Petrodollar. How does SUFA think this will affect our lives? http://www.prisonplanet.com/brics-regimes-forge-new-world-bank-call-for-global-currency.html

  9. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Another one for you. I am going to assume that eventually the jig will be up and that people will start to notice that a whole lot of money is floating round out there with nothing backing it. I assume that there is absolutely no way to pay back what is owed, even through confiscation. Even if their were, nothing will stop the spending preventing a recurring nightmare. So, when the world wakes up and inflation starts to rise I see the following:

    “Temporary” wage price freeze.

    Shortages due to wage price freeze

    Black marketing on a massive scale.

    Massive invasions of privacy and curtailment of civil liberties to fight black marketing.

    Sorry folks, but this is the way I see it. If anybody can offer a more silver lining, I’d love to hear it.

  10. http://godfatherpolitics.com/10185/imf-wants-americans-taxed-1-40-more-per-gallon-of-gas/

    It just seems to look worse everyday. Tax,tax,tax 🙄 👿

    • Here is another Democrat genius that is trying to get laws passed in DC. How do these idiots get elected?

      And it followed her statement about how a ban on magazines holding more than 15 rounds would help reduce gun violence.

      “I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those now they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available,” she said.

      The Post said DeGette “didn’t appear to understand” that a firearm magazine “can be reloaded with more bullets.”

      Smith said, “Let’s be educated as we make this decision.”

      And spokesman Andrew Arulanandam of the National Rifle Association told the newspaper the member of Congress needed some help.

      “Two words – pretty stupid,” he told the newspaper, while the state Republican party said it was “extremely alarming” that DeGette was sponsoring a proposed ban “when she doesn’t even know what a magazine clip is.”
      Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/doh-anti-gun-democrat-makes-bullet-gaffe/#d3yVWVYT2ecy395S.99

  11. Just A Citizen says:

    Problems with LE “attitudes” begins with those who are in charge of LE. That means the Mayor, Governor, Legislature and Councils. Obviously it includes Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and Commissioners.

    Next up is the type of people recruited. You can’t recruit Rambo and expect him to become Andy of Mayberry.

    Then is the training. The “leadership” MUST instill the code of PUBLIC SERVICE instead of Law ENFORCEMENT. We need PEACE OFFICERS not SWAT TEAMS.

    It never occurs to anyone that if the cops were not so heavily armed and increasingly isolated that maybe there would not be as many violent reactions to their presence.

    Maybe we don’t need to kill every shooter on site when in a crowd. Maybe we don’t need to rush a house or create a “siege” to take down a suspect. What ever happened to well timed ambush when the guy/gal hauls out the trash?

    LE is a hard business. But it is made harder than it needs to be because of a plethora of idiotic laws, knee jerk reactions to every little thing that happens, and lack of clear direction as well as expansion of personal responsibility and FLEXIBILITY for individual officers (Remember this one from Displaced Okie some time ago). We are simply arresting too many people who have done no harm to anyone. We are using LE officers to enforce other agency bullshit on people, WITHOUT due process.

    The way to clean this up is FIRE the Commissioners and the LE Officers. Hire back those with clean records and the PROPER attitude.

    But nothing will happen as long as the Sheep remain SCARED TO DEATH and tolerate collateral damage in trade for HARD CORE ENFORCEMENT on those they feel are bad guys. The stupidest comment I hear on this subject is “if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear”. Anyone making that stupid comment has never been involved in one of the thousands of FALSE detentions, arrests or investigations that occur yearly.

    Now while I have proposed a hard ass attitude towards the existing “corps of LE” I also believe that we the people need to show strong support for those we retain. GOOD OFFICERS or GOOD POLICE WORK, should be brought out for all to see. GOOD examples amply rewarded will help create more GOOD examples. It will also help reduce what appears to be growing tension between LE and those they are supposed to protect.

    I forgot one little thing, referenced by someone above. The only way to break up any “codes” of a group is to break up the group frequently enough to prevent “brotherhoods” from forming. Being a member of LE is not as strong as being a member of a precinct or office with the same people for years on end.

    In case you haven’t figured it out, I AGREE that we have a growing problem with LE in this country. If you recall I mentioned this over a year ago. It is not healthy for those in LE nor the rest of us. Hell it is not healthy for a Democratic Republic.

    One RADICAL idea. Maybe towns and neighborhoods should be policed by their local “militia” units. You know, the people who actually live in the area and are thus PART of the area they patrol.

    • JAC, I hope that today finds you and yours healthy and happy 🙂

      For the most part I agree with your post. We do have a problem. As far as your RADICAL idea, I love it, now if we can get the Leftists to go away with their stupid gun control laws, it could happen and work 🙂

    • So JAC…do you have an opinion? 🙂

      • Just A Citizen says:

        d13

        Good afternoon Colonel.

        Me?? Nawww, not me! LOL.

        I have applied on your behalf to become an honorary IDAHOAN. As soon as it passes I’ll send you your very own SPUD PIN and a handbook on how to improve FREEDOM in your State. Bwahahahhaha.

        P.S. Re your post about being on the firing line. I agree and do personally understand. However, I don’t find the “mind set” acceptable.

        Innocent FIRST. But recognize the danger and if a move is inappropriate then take necessary action.

        I do have a question about the border examples. If there were an overwhelming “larger” force surrounding the culprits do you think there would be less need to shoot? Would they cave in to the appearance of “no chance in hell” or would the cartel’s response be the same?

        • Good question…..by overwhelming force,you must mean at least a 5 to 1. I suppose that would depend on where the confrontation was….in our case, it is usually within 1 or 2 miles of the border if not right on the river. It has been my experience that the cartels shoot it out. So far, in about 40 interdiction issue that I have been involved in…..there have been about 20% surrenders and we have have had, at times, a 2 to 1 force backed with humvee and helicopters and they still fight. We have a three fold problem (1) because of the size and number of crossing areas, we cannot have a large force…it is small unit tactics….(2) to let them get closer to populated areas increases the risk of additional hostages, and (3) since they have a tendency to shoot, closer population increases the risk of collateral damage in spent bullets.

          At night, even with night vision, there is very little chance of them not shooting for they also have night vision. Even when we close the back door and set a blocking force at the river, most of the times they choose to shoot it out. There are times they lay down their weapons and run thinking we will not shoot an unarmed person while trying to get to the river……they usually do not make it.

          In the daytime, we have a better opportunity to be more selective but when the bullets are flying we return fire…..very suppressive fire. We do not have the luxury of picking targets. It is a war zone and tracers are prevalent….smoke grenades….flash bangs….laser helicopters. They are not very discriminating. If we use a drone….they are likewise not very discriminating.

          You may not like the mindset JAC……but it is our mind set for survival. We get NO HELP from the Feds at all. They do not even engage anymore because they are shooting non lethal ammo….and the cartels just laugh at them and go on. So, in our training, we tell our troops that no one cuts a fence, or drives through a fence, or scales a fence on private property innocently. Assume that you will be fired upon and take appropriate action. Now…..just so you understand, that when we interdict….they are given a warning. They will fire the first shot and we will respond. They usually shoot the pack mule in the back anyway so they can not identify anyone…..and they also usually kill the “mule” once delivery is made. I do not think anyone understands the cold blooded and ruthless manner in which these cartels operate.

          There are no rules down here and there is no Geneva Convention. I wish Napolitano would come down here…..we would be happy to take her on patrol….and then she could get a first hand look at the safest border in the world….as she puts it. John Wayne had it right…….”waahaa….out here the only due process is a bullet”.

          • One other thing, Sir JAC……..the shame of it all…..it is here…on our borders, in our cities……I personally feel that there needs to be no law where these people are concerned. I will be 65 this October…..I will be done. But I fear for the future.

            By the way, send me an email with your mailing address please…..I have a Texas gift for you.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            d13

            Re; my comment about the mindset. I figured you weren’t really shooting first and asking questions later. I agree when engaged on the ground with this one must assume potential threat and be ready at ALL TIMES.

            But that is different than assuming everyone is guilty. Although your examples of wading the river, climbing the fence etc are acts of GUILTY people.

            As for over whelming force I was thinking of 5 or more to 1. As in using FEDERAL TROOPS to secure the border.

            I do not envy you the situation your State has found itself. I send support when I can because I view your efforts as providing the primary line of defense.

            Perhaps you could let Napalitono LEAD a night patrol!! 😉

            I will send email and address. I finally have something for you as well that shouldn’t cause as much trouble as those Crabs did.

            • Nepolitano on night patrol, eh?………no one would follow her…..HOWEVER…..since she is so good on her own…perhaps she could go alone? After all….it IS the safest it has ever been.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                d13

                Yes, I think ALONE would be a very good idea. Unless of course she would like to take Mr. Holder with her for comfort.

                Bwahahahahaha

  12. Just A Citizen says:

    Sidebar and Deja’ Vu.

    A story about how Sequestration is going to impact local communities. In this case it is concern over the US Forest Service budget.

    Here is the thing to NOTE. WHERE is the Agency’s response to the questions? All communication is RESTRICTED to the Secretary’s Office. If you remember this is how this Administration started its reign with STIMULUS. Total CONTROL FROM THE TOP.

    http://missoulian.com/news/local/usfs-budget-cuts-likely-to-affect-fire-forest-management/article_5784b01a-854a-11e2-a03b-001a4bcf887a.html

    • Isn’t it amazing, that in the article it calls the 3% reduction of new spending as these big cuts. What a crock of BS. Makes me think that Charlie works for these people. 🙂

  13. Cancel your plans, the Norks are gonna nuke us. 😆

    SEOUL (AFP) — The North Korean army said Thursday it had final approval to launch “merciless” military strikes on the United States, involving the possible use of “cutting-edge” nuclear weapons.

    In a statement published by the official KCNA news agency, the General Staff of the Korean People’s Army (KPA) said it was formally informing Washington that reckless US threats would be “smashed by… cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means”.

    “The merciless operation of (our) revolutionary armed forces in this regard has been finally examined and ratified,” the statement said.

    “The US had better ponder over the prevailing grave situation,” it added.

    North Korea had threatened a “pre-emptive” nuclear strike against the United States a month ago, and last week the supreme army command ordered its strategic rocket units to combat status for strikes on the US mainland and US bases in Guam and Hawaii.

    “The moment of explosion is approaching fast,” Thursday’s statement said, adding that a war could break out on the Korean peninsula “today or tomorrow”.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/03/breaking-north-korean-army-says-it-has-final-approval-for-nuclear-attack-on-the-united-states/

    Any chance on DC getting zapped? Maybe New Jersey or San Francisco? The Norks BWahahaha! 😆

    • I have but one statement……”Bring it ON……they can’t fart without getting a hernia.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Let’s leave NJ out of this. personally I want Seattle (doable) and Fran Sancisco.

      • This is certainly Obama’s perfect opportunity to create a crisis. I don’t think NK could hit us, but they sure could be blamed. What a screwed up world we live in. 🙄

        • You have got to trust me on this. First of all……North Korea DOES NOT have nukes…..secondly, they do not have any type of delivery system for ANY large scale explosive over 300 miles…..thirdly, any delivery system that they have is limited as they do not have laser or GPS capacity. This is bluster like always hoping that the UN will give them food and money for another 10 years.

          • I believe you Colonel 🙂 The MSM is sure telling a different story. Set up for a False Flag maybe? Or maybe a pre-emptive strike to protect against a “nuke” that don’t exist.

            • Nope….a new rolly polly leader with a Napolean complex trying to show that he is tough. This is a common flex of muscle trying to get the U N to release sanctions and fund them for another ten years. They can fire a bunch of artillery on Seoul….fire a bunch of land missiles at the DMZ…..and send one million troops South….only to die within five miles. And die they will. Do not think for one minute we are unprepared.

              Now…nothing would surprise me from the POTUS. He can revive this war if he wants……..(most probably do not remember, but the Korean war was never ended, it is only a truce for now……another mistake made by politicians)…….so Obama can have his crises…..but that is a long shot. His ego is too big to go down in history as reviving a war that has been at a cease fire for 60+ years.

  14. Slavery still exists, even in 2013. Sadly, our govt seems to support it. More government? 🙄
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/islamic-cleric-issues-fatwa-permitting-rape-of-syrian-women.html

  15. Some satire for today 🙂

    You might have thought that finding a moral value among “progressives” would be as hard as digging up a rave review of “Eegah the Teenage Caveman.” But that’s a mistake. If there were a Progressive Bible, it would certainly have its own version of the Ten Commandments. And it would read something like this.

    One. Thou shalt have a whole passel of gods before me—or better yet, no god at all. Do you want people to think you’re as smart as Richard Dawkins? Join him in saying I don’t exist. See how hard you can hate someone whom you say does not exist.

    Two. Thou shalt bow down before graven images. In other words, worship your stuff. Stuff is all there is. Never mind eternal life: we have cell phones, video games, and the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. Above all, bow down before that ultimate creation by really smart people who are a lot smarter than you—the state. Big Brother rules!

    Three. Thou shalt take God’s name in vain. Use it for punctuation, for emphasis, or just plain cussing. This will make people think you’re smart. If thou art a national leader, always invoke God’s name in support of abominable public policies favoring abortion and sodomy. Thou art always permitted to pretend to be a Christian.

    Four. Forget the Sabbath day, and keep no day holy. There being no God, nothing, then, is holy—except, of course, the AIDS Quilt, PBS, and Michelle Obama’s wardrobe. And don’t forget to display your worldliness by publishing the most anti-Christian garbage you can find to coincide with Easter.

    Five. Honor thy father and thy mother—NOT! Why should you? They don’t honor each other. Half the time they don’t bother to get married. Many of you wouldn’t recognize your father if you tripped over him. Anyhow, the government is thy mother and thy father.

    Six. Thou shalt kill unborn babies. After all, that’s how young women fulfill their dreams: the prophet Obama hath said so. Thou art permitted to kill thyself: Humanist Manifesto II sayeth so, and those are all smart cookies. Thou shalt also kill the old and the infirm—for their own good, of course. Obama care hath said so.

    Seven. Thou shalt commit adultery every single chance you get. Thou shalt not smoke, or eat red meat, or snack, or drive an SUV, or use an incandescent light bulb, or have more stuff than thy neighbor, or by any means make a profit—so you might as well fornicate like there was no tomorrow. Smart people will think you’re smart, too, if you indulge in every sexual practice known to man. And if you die early from a loathsome sexual disease, thou art helping to save the planet!

    Eight. Thou shalt steal. As the government doeth, do thou likewise. A thief who gets caught and thrown in jail is a fool; but a thief who gets elected is a statesman.

    Nine. Thou shalt bear false witness. Our academics tell us there’s no such thing as objective truth, and they’re the smartest ones of all. There are only statements that help progressivism or that hinder it. To make a statement that destroys an enemy of the people is great smart-ness.

    Ten. Thou shalt covet anything and everything that is thy neighbor’s. Whatever it may be, it’s not fair that he has it and you don’t. Why else does government exist, but to give you things that are thy neighbor’s? That is Social Justice.
    http://www.newswithviews.com/Duigon/lee194.htm

  16. As Senate Democrats struggle to build support for new gun control legislation, the American Civil Liberties Union now says it’s among those who have “serious concerns” about the bill.

    Those concerns have the capacity to prove a major setback to Sen. Harry Reid’s current gun bill, which includes language from earlier bills introduced by Sens. Chuck Schumer and Barbara Boxer.

    In an exclusive interview with The Daily Caller, a top lobbyist for the ACLU announced that the group thinks Reid’s current gun bill could threaten both privacy rights and civil liberties.

    The inclusion of universal background checks — the poll-tested lynchpin of most Democratic proposals — “raises two significant concerns,” the ACLU’s Chris Calabrese told TheDC Wednesday.

    Calabrese — a privacy lobbyist — was first careful to note that the ACLU doesn’t strictly oppose universal background checks for gun purchases. “If you’re going to require a background check, we think it should be effective,” Calabrese explained.

    “However, we also believe those checks have to be conducted in a way that protects privacy and civil liberties. So, in that regard, we think the current legislation, the current proposal on universal background checks raises two significant concerns,” he went on.

    “The first is that it treats the records for private purchases very differently than purchases made through licensed sellers. Under existing law, most information regarding an approved purchase is destroyed within 24 hours when a licensed seller does a [National Instant Criminal Background Check System] check now,” Calabrese said, “and almost all of it is destroyed within 90 days.”

    Calabrese wouldn’t characterize the current legislation’s record-keeping provision as a “national gun registry” — which the White House has denied pursuing — but he did say that such a registry could be “a second step.”

    “[U]nfortunately, we have seen in the past that the creation of these types of records leads sometimes to the creation of government databases and collections of personal information on all of us,” Calabrese warned. “That’s not an inevitable result, but we have seen that happen in the past, certainly.”

    “As we’ve seen with many large government databases, if you build it, they will come.”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/04/exclusive-aclu-says-reids-gun-legislation-could-threaten-privacy-rights-civil-liberties/#ixzz2PV6Uo1Ly

  17. Just A Citizen says:

    charlie

    Theft is a contradiction to the definition of Capitalism. It is the antithesis of Capitalism.

    Even if you use capitalism in the broadest of terms.

    • Unless your land is stolen, slaves are put to work on the conquered land which you now claim as “private” and you “earn” off the backs of those slaves … if that isn’t theft, then Gman is braintrust of the future 🙂

  18. More clear evidence that 9-11 was likely an inside job and planned long before the planes hit. http://www.prisonplanet.com/skyscraper-engulfed-by-fire-does-not-collapse.html

  19. On my first read, I agree with what the proposed law says. This would be a big win for religion! http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/bill-would-establish-state-religion/

  20. Daily check-up … you’re all still crazy as ever … keep ranting … at some point you’ll tire out and take a nap … or maybe wake up 🙂

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      Nothing like being 40 years to late with an apology, if that’s what you want to call it. Some may forgive, but , for most, I doubt it. Don’t think she’s called Hanoi Jane for nothing or Traitor for that matter.

    • Nope…….No Vietnam Veteran will walk across the street to piss on her if she was on fire. This one will not….there is no forgiveness. None.

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