Midweek efforts and Open Mic

Happy HumpDay 🙂 A new thread to keep things speedy and efficient.  I am also making a concerted effort to be a nicer, kinder person when debating.  Ridicule takes away from the debate itself and should be avoided.  I have been just as guilty as anyone else, Yes, I can take, but I can give it back as well.  This should not be the forum for that kind of activity.  We are all much smarter than to continue down that path.   I see things differently than most here, as far as the reasons for events that take place and even laws that are passed.   We can’t all think alike, although that has been mentioned a time or two.   Debate away Folks and remember, be kind to someone today  🙂

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  1. gmanfortruth says:

    🙂

  2. @ LOI…..in answer to your question, I would not get too upset or worried about the fertilizer plants in your area. Building berms and walls do not do too much in alleviating anything. Perhaps redirecting some blasts upward but the concussions from the blasts are the damaging thing.

    The thing that blew up in West, Texas were the ammonium nitrate tanks…..we are finding out. Not the mixing of ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel……direct heating of the tanks created explosion. Better fire protection of storage tanks would probably be the best thing….but that is a guess.

    The issue is that there are thousands of fertilizer plants all over the US…..thousands. Your local service station on the corner poses a greater risk of explosion than does a fertilizer plant. Grain elevators pose a greater risk of explosion as well. This was a freak accident, so far as we see it…but it is not to be ignored. More stringent fire protection may be part of the answer….how many times do you see long lines of trains with tank cars marked ammonium nitrate rolling through towns, municipalities, and neighborhoods….how many trucks on the roads? Thousands……

    Many people wonder why there are plants and schools and houses and senior centers so close together. Take a look and see which was there first. Most fertilizer plants were built well outside of communities to begin with……when a community encroaches…….that is not a fertilizer plant problem….that is city planning problems. When a city allows annexing of land next to fertilizer plants that were once a couple of miles away……whose fault is that?

    But……..the fact remains….they are everywhere. And, for the most part…..are very safe.

    • Here is the Our corner of Indiana, our fertilizer plants stopped selling Amonium Nitrate shortly after Oklahoma City. Instead we substitute Urea, A Liquid fertilizer. I understand in Warmer/Drier Climates Urea evaporates to quickly to be effective, and as such, Amonium Nitrate is a better in those regions.

    • Thanks Colonel,

      Not worried or upset, just wondering what practical measures might be taken. Also had the thought West might not have been a terrorist attack, but it sure shows them an easy way to get a big bang for their buck. Grain silo’s I think are worse, but think the conditions have to be right for that to happen? Or could a small bomb in a grain silo set the whole thing off?

  3. Question for Todd or JAC or both……..in YOUR opinion……YOURS…..who or what is ALLAH?

    ( no, it is not a set up……curious as to your opinions ).

    • (I can see JAC now…….ok…what is this guy up to? No one asks a leading question like this without motive…..or maybe the Colonel has a concussion)

    • Just A Citizen says:

      d13thecolonel

      Good morning my Texican friend.,

      No problem with the question. Allah is the Muslim interpretation of God. In their view the SAME God as the Jews and Christians worship.

      At least that is my understanding.

      Seems to me the issues between the religions are over the “prophets” and of course the issue of Jesus being “prophet” or ” son of God”.

      I am curious how this is going to play out in the discussion.

      • Ok….cool. Allah is god in the Muslim religion. The same god that all religions pretty much fall in line with except they have different names and idols. I am cool with this….thanks.

        Now, the best you can, what is the difference in Muslim and Islam?

        • And can you be religious and “cool”?

          Samurai sword-wielding Mormon bishop comes to aid of woman being attacked

          Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/23/samurai-sword-wielding-mormon-bishop-comes-to-aid-woman-being-attacked/?test=latestnews#ixzz2ROxhTTcU

        • Just A Citizen says:

          d13

          Islam is the RELIGION and MUSLIMS are those who practice/follow Islam.

          In some historical writings the Muslims were called Mohammedans because they followed the Prophet Mohammed’s “message from God”.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          D13

          The L_O_N_G answer and the more OFFICIAL. Pretty much what I thought but some interesting tidbits buried within the explanation.

          Islam vs Muslim

          Nearly one quarter of the world’s population follows the religion that was revealed to the Prophet Mohammed and subsequently transcribed into the Quran. Despite its number of faithful followers that have now settled across the globe, many Westerners don’t have a clear idea of what this religion entails. Subsequently, even incredibly fundamental questions, such as the difference between Islam and Muslim, arise as these same Westerners are beginning to explore their increasingly globalized world. Beyond linguistic distinctions, there is actually very few differences between Islam and Muslim.

          Definition of Islam and Muslim

          Islam : the meaning comes from the Arabic verbal noun (like a gerund) s-l-m. When appropriate vowel markers are added the word Islam appears. The etymology of s-l-m is to submit, accept, or surrender. From this comes Islam’s conventional definition of surrender to God.
          Muslim : also has its roots in the s-l-m verb. It is a participle of the verb and refers to a person who engages in the act of submission, acceptance, or surrender. Therefore a Muslim is a person who submits to the will of God, or a follower of Islam.

          Uses of Islam and Muslim

          Islam is generally used in conversation to denote the religion or community of believes as a whole. For instance: ‘The Islamic community in town will be celebrating Eid next week.’ It is also used when talking about the religion as a noun unto itself. For instance: ‘Islam is based on the sayings of the Prophet Mohammed that have been written down in the Quran.’

          Muslim is generally used in conversation to qualify or distinguish a person. For instance, ‘Remember the Muslim man who works at the bank?’ It can also be used as a simple description of one’s religious beliefs. For instance: ‘He is Christian but she is Muslim.’ Because Muslims are a minority community in many countries and most of the West, describing someone as Muslim may also reflect on their lifestyle and choice of dress in addition to their religious beliefs.

          Misuses of Islam and Muslim

          Islam : grammatically speaking, Islam should only refer to the religion or acts done in the name of that religion, never a person who practices that religion. Islamic community and Islamic art are correct, Islamic man is not.
          Muslim should be used to describe all people of the Islamic faith but not the faith itself. You may say that you are interested in the religion of Muslims, but never in the Muslim religion.

          Summary:
          1.Islam and Muslim are both words used to describe the religion revealed to the Prophet Mohammed.
          2.Islam and Muslim both have the same origin in the Arabic verb s-l-m.
          3.Islam is the act of submitting to the will of God whereas a Muslim is person who participates in the act of submission.
          4.To be correctly used, Islam or Islamic should describe the religion and its subsequent cultural concepts whereas Muslim should only describe the followers of the religion of Islam.

  4. A kinder, gentler, G?

    The over/under is 6 hours … 🙂

  5. Not surprising. Complaint’s about police actions in Watertown starting to flow in.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313249/Boston-bomber-search-Moment-SWAT-teams-ordered-innocent-neighbors-houses-GUNPOINT.html

    So how many believe that searching for an injured (and they knew this) 19 year old “terrorist” was cause for ignoring the 4th Amendment (among others)?

    The terrorist get’s his right’s adhered too. I agree that he should be tried in a US court, as our laws state.

  6. No he cannot as there is no explanation. There are people, like Charlie, who feel that debt is the way to go and that all debt is sustainable and you have conservatives, like me, that believe that debt is not sustainable and that one should live within one’s means. the problem is that Charlie practices conservatism but preaches something different. If he claims that he does not, then I would ask him why he is not in bankruptcy with no credit.

    • No true … way too big a generalization there, Colonel … Captain canoli would start with ending both wars 5 years ago (thus decreasing spending) … that a start or no way? I’m curious what you think about defense spending, the wars, etc. …

      I may have to respond much later … we’re getting busy at work … not the good kind.

  7. Federal Furloughs? Surely you jest…

    • I believe this so called “austerity” was Obama’s idea. He is using “his” idea to show how a small amount of Govt spending hurts. This is “not” anything called “conservative” economics. This is a socialist trying to make a point. 100% Liberal economics. This also follows the Socialist models in Europe. They (Socialist’s) made promises using debt to pay for it, and now, for countries like Greece and Spain, those who fell for the socialist lies are paying the price. 🙂

      Howdy Colonel! Hope all is well down in your neck of the woods 🙂

      • Professionally made signs at a North Carolina campground are warning visitors that the site is closed because of an “operational change due to sequestration.” Two Republican members of Congress have demanded Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell explain how and why the signs appeared, and how they were paid for.

        “CLOSED,” reads a metal sign posted at a road into the Linville Falls Campground in North Carolina. “Operational Change Due to Sequestration.” The signs, at a National Park site along the Blue Ridge Parkway, bear the official logo of the National Park Service and read “National Park Service, U.S. Department of the Interior.”

        The existence of the signs has come up as the politics of sequestration — an extremely slight slowing in the rapid growth rate of federal spending — has begun to heat up. Republicans and some Democrats say the Obama administration is making budget decisions in ways designed to maximize inconvenience for taxpayers and turn public opinion against Republicans, who allowed President Obama’s sequestration plan to be put into practice in March.

        Recent controversies have centered on whether the Transportation Security Administration is making staffing decisions that slow down air travel, and whether planned furloughs of air traffic controllers are necessary. Obama also came under fire for cancelling White House tours shortly after sequestration began.

        The issue of the Linville Falls signs was mentioned during April 15 House testimony by Jonathan Jarvis, director of the National Park Service. Jarvis noted that such signs would be “inappropriate” but claimed to be “unaware of any signs.”

        House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa of California has sent a letter [pdf] to Interior head Jewell requesting an explanation for the signs. The letter is co-signed by Committee member Rep. Mark Meadows of North Carolina, whose 11th District contains the campground.

        “At a time when agencies must seek ways to be more fiscally responsible and reduce spending,” the letter reads, “the Committee is concerned that NPS is using taxpayer dollars to publicize sequestration.” Meadows and Issa are asking for the cost of the signs, which they call “another tactic by the Administration to politicize sequestration.” They also want to know how many of the signs were made and placed.

        Meadows told The Daily Caller the Linville Falls signs are part of a pattern of high-profile service cutbacks designed to forefront sequestration. “Under sworn testimony,” Meadows said in an email, “the FAA Administrator admitted that the agency’s original warnings of 90-minute delays were not based on any data or meaningful analysis. Too many estimates have been given about the potential impact of sequestration with very little planning or analysis to justify them. These park signs are yet another example of an agency playing politics.”

        Further complicating the issue is that the Park Service’s budget has not actually been cut. According to NPS budget records, the Park Service’s enacted 2012 budget was $2,983,623,000. For 2013 the budget request is $2,986,130,000.

        Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/24/park-service-posts-due-to-sequestration-signs-at-closed-camp/#ixzz2RP4YUBe8

        • LOI,

          According to NPS budget records, the Park Service’s enacted 2012 budget was $2,983,623,000. For 2013 the budget request is $2,986,130,000.

          This is an 0.08% increase. Doesn’t even cover inflation. Then you take the 8% sequester cut off that…

  8. Do you mean the “supposed” sequester issue with the ATC?

  9. Just A Citizen says:

    Here is a story that I completely missed and had no knowledge of, until today.

    We have apparently reached the point where NOTHING is what it seems to be.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2013/04/24/abdurahman-alamoudi-the-boston-bombers-grover-norquist-and-the-gop/

    • I remember the O’Reilly/Sammy Al Arian dustup..chalk one up for the Patriot Act there..otherwise this is news to me too. Time to replace aaalllllll the Old Guard R’s, including the good ol boy lobbyists. But the we’ll end up right back where we started from anyway. 🙄

  10. Just A Citizen says:

    More proof that some of us are losing our minds……………….or………….What the Hell Were They Thinking?

    The West Virginia eighth-grader who was suspended and, astonishingly, arrested last week after he refused to remove a t-shirt supporting the National Rifle Association returned to school on Monday.

    In a move The Daily Caller can only characterize as courageous, 14-year-old Jared Marcum returned to Logan Middle School in Logan County, West Va., wearing exactly the same shirt, which depicts a hunting rifle with the statement “protect your right.”

    According to Fox News, other students across the rural county showed their support for Marcum by wearing similar shirts to school.

    “There’s a lot of people wearing this same exact shirt, showing great, great support and I really appreciate it,” Marcum said in the morning outside the schoolhouse door, according to local NCB affiliate WBOY-TV.

    Read more: http://www.1190kex.com/articles/national-news-104668/eighth-grader-arrested-over-nra-shirt-11217011/#ixzz2RPGapBi0

  11. Defense rests???

    Judge reinstates murder count in Gosnell trial, dismisses another; Update: “Defense rests”?
    posted at 1:21 pm on April 24, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

    At the beginning of a defense case in a criminal trial, attorneys will routinely move to dismiss some or all of the charges on the basis of a failure by the prosecution to present enough evidence. The judge in the trial of Kermit Gosnell agreed this week on three of the murder counts, but has since reconsidered on one count. Judge Jeffrey Minehart reinstated the charge related to “Baby C,” whom staffers testified breathed on his own for 20 minutes after the botched abortion, admitting a mistake in his order:

    Common Pleas Judge Jeffrey Minehart had ruled Tuesday that prosecutors over the past month failed to make a case on three of the seven first-degree murder counts, involving aborted babies known as Baby B, Baby C and Baby G.

    On Wednesday, Minehart clarified that he did not intend to dismiss charges related to Baby C, which former employee Lynda Williams admits killing after it was alive for 20 minutes.

    Instead, Minehart has thrown out the charges involving Baby F, which allegedly jerked its leg after it was born. Another staff member says Gosnell then cut the baby’s neck to “ensure fetal demise.”

    To be clear, Minehart has still thrown out three of the murder charges, which are now down to five — four children and Karnamaya Monger. Minehart refused to dismiss those charges, denying the defense motion. That means Jack McMahon will have to present a defense, starting as early as this afternoon, in a case that could still carry the death penalty for the abortionist.

    LifeNews carries an objection from an activist with Operation Rescue:

    “I am shocked that these counts have been dismissed. I have heard testimony by very credible witnesses to the effect that these babies were murdered in cold blood by Gosnell as they cried and struggled for life. We pray that justice will be done in the remaining five victims of Gosnell’s horrific slayings,” said Cheryl Sullenger, Senior Policy Advisor for Operation Rescue, who has observed the trial and published first-hand accounts of the proceedings.

    Sullenger said testimony from the medical examiner and toxicologist has indicated that there was no evidence the babies were injected with Digoxin to ensure the babies were dead prior to the abortion, as the defense has claimed.

    The medical examiner testified that tests were inconclusive as proof that the babies were born alive. However, the tests also did not prove the babies were dead prior to birth. Those inconclusive test results were overshadowed by the weight of testimony from witness after witness, who detailed how the babies were in fact living prior to being murdered through what one witness described as a “virtual beheading.”

    “If Gosnell gets off scot-free, that will send a message that murdering live babies and abortion patients is now acceptable behavior in America and that abortionists who engage in such depraved practices are above the law. This would put women and babies in grave danger – more than they already face – at abortion clinics throughout the nation,” said Sullenger.

    Without being in the courtroom, it’s difficult to determine just how well the prosecution presented that case in the opening round of the trial. The burden of proof for the prosecution not only involves presenting clear evidence of intent to murder (or gross neglect amounting to intent), but also that an actual murder took place. The judge has the responsibility to dismiss charges where the prosecution hasn’t presented enough evidence to allow a jury to consider guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The fact that Minehart allowed more than half of the charges to remain — and corrected the record expeditiously on which specific charges remain — tend to demonstrate that he’s taking that responsibility seriously. The case will continue, and the jury will have the chance to deliver a verdict on Gosnell’s operation.

    Update: And that chance may come a lot sooner than we thought. The intrepid JD Mullane just tweeted:

    Wow. It seems that McMahon either thinks that all of the highly shocking testimony had no impact on the jury, or he doesn’t have a real defense against it.

    Update: If the judge sent the jury out until Monday, he at least has some time to see if McMahon wants to reconsider. With all of the very powerful testimony about the neck-snipping and conditions in the clinic, it seems almost incomprehensible to me that an attorney would roll the dice on getting a jury to dispassionately dispense with the charges.

    Update: Commenter Resist We Much offers this analysis of McMahon’s strategy:

    Three possibilities:

    1. He believes that he proved Gosnell’s innocence during the prosecution’s case-in-chief via cross-examination; or

    2. He believes the jury is likely to convict and instead of putting on a case that might inflame and lead them to impose the death sentence (even though there is a separate sentencing ‘trial’); or

    3. He thinks conviction is likely and is setting up an ineffectiveness of counsel appellate issue for his client.

    As I noted above, he is charged with far more than first-degree murder. He is also on trial for infanticide (different charge than FDM), violating PA’s Controlled Substances Act, PA’s Abortion Control Act, fraud and conspiracy relative to narcotic distribution, tampering with evidence, corrupt organisation (PA’s version of the RICO Act), etc. His wife, Pearl, has already pleaded guilty to performing illegal abortions, corrupt organisation, and criminal conspiracy – all felonies.

    I think those three strategies cover all the rational possibilities for McMahon’s strategic decision, and #1 is almost certainly not the case. My first inclination is to lean toward #3, which may be the reason why Judge Minehart has sent the jury out for the rest of the week; he might want to get McMahon on record explaining this decision and minimize the danger of getting a verdict tossed by an appellate court later. I think, though, that McMahon may be thinking along the lines of #2, and having failed to get the judge to toss out all of the murder counts, is now trying to do his best to salvage whatever leeway exists with the jury for the sentencing.

    • That turned out a mite confusing-this tweet didn’t post-The defense rests.

      #Gosnell def atty Jack McMahon tersely announced “Defense rests” as jury was seated after lunch. Jury dismissed by Judge Minehart til Monday
      12:33 PM – 24 Apr 2013

      • Perhaps someone can help me with this-the charge for Baby B was dismissed based on lack of proof that the child was born alive-but this child was obviously over 24 weeks old-so why isn’t he being charged for killing the baby based on going over 24 weeks?

  12. Just A Citizen says:

    Anita

    I saw a discussion the other day regarding a separation between Christianity and Christians.

    I have used similar comments in the past so thought I would clarify MY meaning. Others can do their own.

    In my view the separation is the Institutions created under the title Christian that is the difference. The Catholic Church being one of those.

    The “Church” has often acted in ways that sure do seem CONTRARY to the teachings of Christ as described in the very Bible that the Church constructed. The most recent is the protection of pedophile priests. While Christ taught tolerance and forgiveness, I doubt he would have hidden pedophiles from LEGAL prosecution under the law.

    I have often wondered if the formation of the Catholic Church itself would be viewed by Christ as a violation of his teaching. Or at least a serious misinterpretation. Some day perhaps I’ll get a chance to ask him.

    There are also those who claim to be Christians that simply don’t do a good job of walking the talk. But that is a simple matter of hypocrisy as opposed to the impact of institutional behavior.

    • I’m assuming that’s a typo in your first sentence. BL and I were discussing the distinction between Catholics and Christians.

      Definitions..it always comes down to definitions.

      Christianity: Religion stemming from the teachings of Jesus in the 1st century AD. Its sacred scripture is the Bible, particularly the New Testament. Its principal tenets are that Jesus is the Son of God (the second person of the Holy Trinity), that God’s love for the world is the essential component of his being, and that Jesus died to redeem humankind.

      I was always taught that Christianity came first, it was basically the ‘original’ religion, taught by Jesus himself. Jesus named Peter to carry on his Church. Peter being the first pope, then the papacy continued on. Somewhere down the line there was a split, the west being called Catholic and the east being called Orthodox. The papacy stayed with the Catholics. Some rifts occurred between the Catholics and off shoot religions were formed from there. Example; Protestant..they protested some of the Catholic teaching..and so on.

      Catholics still believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God and it’s through Him that you receive eternal life. I don’t see how that can not be Christian. You would consider Protestants Christian, no? Protestants stemmed from Catholic so it only follows that Catholics are Christian.

      So, yeah.. SOME Catholics have given the religion a bad bad name. THOSE Catholics have not changed what Catholics teach. The teachings remain the same.

      How’s that?

      • Bottom Line says:

        Anita – ” It’s just weird. I had never heard anyone make that distinction before it came up with my friends.”

        BL – ” I never did either until recently. I suppose I’ll put it on my list of questions. I’m not sure why there are even different denominations of Christianity. It’s all about interpretation I suppose. ”

        Anita – ” I’m assuming that’s a typo in your first sentence. BL and I were discussing the distinction between Catholics and Christians. ”

        ” I never did either” meaning I had never heard anyone make that distinction before either.

        I had a really nice conversation with some Catholics last night. I asked them about the difference and got a simplified version of what you just provided.

        I think it was something along the lines of ” Catholics are the REAL ORIGINAL Christians ” …and something about Protestants rejecting certain truths or something.

        I didn’t feel it necessary to tell them that you said that Catholics are Christians.

        Thanks for the info , BTW.

        🙂

        • Well.. I was choosing my words carefully, knowing you would see them, and I didn’t want to come off sounding ARROGANT! 🙂 🙂

          • Bottom Line says:

            LOL

            Don’t get me wrong, Anita. I know just how much of an arrogant prick I myself can be sometimes.

            But try going into a religious group of people and asking questions that really make them think rather than just participating in their ‘group-think’.

            You’ll learn that every religion out there is the one and only truth, and that all the others are just ignorant or whatever. And depending on who you’re talking to or what you ask, you might get run off and treated rather poorly.

            And for whatever it’s worth, I find that Catholics are generally easier to discuss things with than other ‘types’ of Christians. For instance…I had mentioned last night about the influence of the Catholic church and paganism in Christianity. I actually had a guy, that I believe was a theologian scholar or priest or something, agree with me. That was a first. I was expecting to be called blasphemous.

            Just sayin’.

  13. gmanfortruth says:

    I always get amazed when those in govt have no idea what the effects of their actions are. Dumb laws have consequences. Liberal laws have expensive consequences. Too bad for Coloradan’s, http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/colorado-to-pay-piper-after-dems-war-on-guns/

  14. Just A Citizen says:

    Let me offer a Happy ANZAC Day to all my Aussie and Kiwi friends.

    My calendar claims it is “today” due to International Date Line. The correct date is April 25th for those who don’t know.

    This makes perfect since………because April 25th in Australia is April 24th in the USA.

    But what about EARTH DAY, which was “Monday”, April 22nd? How can a “single” day be designated for the ENTIRE EARTH when the planet doesn’t have the same day EVER?

    If you still lurk from time to time, this one is for you MATHIUS.

  15. This is strange. Not something I’m ready to believe, but the pictures are interesting. If nothing else can be gained, the pictures show what it was like. I cannot verify the authors claims, I am not trained in the medical field itself. http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/pictures-that-prove-double-amputee-was-an-actor-at-boston-bombings-2626684.html

  16. Interesting fact on the airline delays……as you know, I am a private pilot. I possess a multi engine (land) rating and an IFR (instrument flight rules) rating. I am based at Spinks Airport in Fort Worth, Texas which is in class B airspace. (This means that anytime you are in class B aiirspace, you must be on radar in contact with ATC…air traffic control.)

    Interesting fact…..flying under IFR in class B airspace, you must have an airspace reservation so to speak. It matters not the classification of the aircraft nor altitude. Any cross country flying on designated airways, you must be in contact with ATC. You are assigned altitudes and spacing. The DFW area is in the top five of designated airways and congested traffic. The interesting fact is……I have experienced no delays, no re-routing, no takeoff or landing issues. Every single departure route is available and every single approach route is available without any delays. I get instant response from ATC and no towers are unmanned and no hours of operation have been shortened.

    I wonder where the problem is in all these delays, departures and arrivals that we are hearing about. In monitoring all the approach, flight following, and departure frequencies, I have not heard or observed any stacking or delayed entry. There is NO shortage of personnel anywhere that I have observed. I have flown to the Houston area, DFW area, OkC area…..nothing.

    Interesting on the reported delays……….interesting.

  17. Colonel, seriously, where are you on these two wars? Did you support them originally, do you still do so? Do you see defense spending as completely out of control or do you believe we need to stay ahead of the game and continue spending? Serious canoli captains want to know …

  18. Here you go, wingies …

    • Ha ha ha-I found it hilarious that the instructor noted that the Wallstreet Occcupiers have the mental capacity of a chimp. I also would be angry if I was being paid less for the exact same work but as a human being I am capable of figuring out that in most situations you aren’t doing the exact same work.

    • Bottom Line says:

  19. Interesting: “In economics, austerity describes policies used by governments to reduce budget deficits during adverse economic conditions. These policies can include spending cuts, tax increases, or a mixture of the two.”

    Technically, reducing spending, even while not reducing a budget deficit, is a reduction.

    But I’m wondering just who is going to tell someone who’s been furloughed for 4-6-8 weeks that nothing has changed for them?

    An idiot, perhaps?

    • I was just going to post that definition!

      Interesting no one replied when they see the definition of austerity doesn’t fit their arguments…

    • Oooops – I probably shouldn’t be “replying” to myself!

      Did you see this Charlie??

      https://standupforamerica.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/weekender/#comment-157895

    • Technically, Charlie, the spending reduction of 2.8% was 2.8% of “additional” spending. Which means that they are still getting 91.2% in additional spending. The furloughs are certainly hurting the people affected. The problem isn’t money or any claim to austerity, it’s politics as usual in DC.

      • Sources???

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Let’s start with your side, NBC. I was actually high in my numbers, I was using 85B.

          http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/04/17180693-making-sense-of-the-clashing-sequester-numbers?lite

          • From your link:

            The Obama administration’s Office of Management and Budget has a higher estimate: a reduction in available money of 13 percent for defense programs and 9 percent for nondefense programs for the remaining seven months of this fiscal year.

            In order for the nondefense programs to stay within their budgets for the remaining seven months of this fiscal year, they have to cut 9 percent.

            • OK Todd. You believe Obama and his minions, I’ll stick with reality. I gave you your source, and quite a liberal one at that. If that ain’t good enough, well, you believe what you want. 🙂 I’ll stick with the real world 😆

              • That quote is from the link you provided. Did you read the story to understand how the sequester works?

                The link I posted above has a good explanation:

                The sequester does not require the administration to cut roughly 8.4 percent across the board. It demands 8.4 percent from each of hundreds of domestic “budget accounts,” and 8.4 percent from each of the “programs, payments and activities” within them. The budget cutters can’t legally switch one into another.

                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/sequestration-playing-politics_n_3140300.html

        • Doing less with more: President Obama’s manufactured airport delays
          April 23, 2013 | 1:50 pm | Modified: April 23, 2013 at 3:10 pm

          Conn Carroll
          Senior Editorial Writer
          The Washington Examiner

          When President Obama signed the fiscal cliff deal in January, he hoped that the threat of automatic sequestration spending cuts would force Republicans to raise taxes. But now that sequestration has started and the federal government is functioning just fine at sequestration funding levels, Obama is looking to increase the spending pain.

          Enter the Federal Aviation Administration and the furloughing of on-duty air traffic controllers. After high winds and heavy traffic caused some minor East Coast airport delays Monday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., rushed to the Senate floor to score political points.

          “In airports across the country, millions of Americans will get their first taste of the pain of sequestration,” Reid said yesterday. “But many Americans have been feeling that pain for weeks. We cannot and we should not only address the FAA cuts. We cannot ignore the sequester’s overall effect on Americans.”
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          Problem, not only does the FAA have enough money to pay all their scheduled on-duty air traffic controllers, even after the sequester they actually have more money then they requested for 2013.

          Here are the facts: President Obama’s 2013 FAA Budget Request asked for just $15.172 billion. But Congress gave them an extra $1.1 billion for the Grants-in-Aid for Airports program, bringing their total 2013 funding to $16.668 billion. Then the sequester lopped off $669 million in FAA funding, leaving them with $15.999 billion.

          But that $15.999 billion is more money than they originally asked for to run the entire agency! In other words, if Obama wanted to, he could re-purpose the Grants-in-Aid money he never wanted, and use it to keep 100 percent of the air traffic controllers on-duty. If Obama believes he does not have the discretion to do this, he could easily ask Congress for it. The Republicans would gladly give it to him.

          But the entire point of sequestration is to inflict pain on Republicans. So don’t look for Obama to exercise his discretion to prevent airport delays anytime soon.

          http://washingtonexaminer.com/doing-less-with-more-president-obamas-manufactured-airport-delays/article/2527920

    • Flying the Government Skies
      The 4% FAA spending cut that somehow delays 40% of flights.

      As travellers nationwide are learning, the White House has decided to express its dislike of the sequester—otherwise known as modestly smaller government—by choosing to cut basic air traffic control services. We wrote about this human- rights violation on Tuesday in “Flight Delays as Political Strategy,” but the story gets worse the closer we look.

      Start with the Federal Aviation Administration, better known as the Postal Service without the modern technology. Flyers directly fund two-thirds of the FAA’s budget through 17 airline taxes and fees—about 20% of the cost of a $300 domestic ticket, up from 7% in the 1970s. Yet now the White House wants to make this agency that can’t deliver what passengers are supposedly paying for even more dysfunctional.

      Ponder this logic, if that’s the right word: The sequester cuts about $637 million from the FAA, which is less than 4% of its $15.9 billion 2012 budget, and it limits the agency to what it spent in 2010. The White House decided to translate this 4% cut that it has the legal discretion to avoid into a 10% cut for air traffic controllers. Though controllers will be furloughed for one of every 10 working days, four of every 10 flights won’t arrive on time.

      The FAA projects the delays will rob one out of every three travellers of up to four hours of their lives waiting at the major hubs. Congress passed a law in 2009 that makes such delays illegal, at least if they are the responsibility of an airline. Under President Obama’s “passenger bill of rights,” the carriers are fined millions of dollars per plane that sits on the tarmac for more than three hours. But sauce for the goose is apparently an open bar for the FAA gander.

      The White House claims the sequester applies to the budget category known as “projects, programs and activities” and thus it lacks flexibility. Not so: This is a political pose to make the sequester more disruptive. Legally speaking, the sequester applies at a more general level known as “accounts.” The air traffic account includes 15,000 controllers out of 31,000 employees. The White House could keep the controllers on duty simply by allocating more furlough days to these other non-essential workers.

      Instead, the FAA is even imposing the controller furlough on every airport equally, not prioritizing among the largest and busiest airports. San Francisco’s Napa Valley airport with no commercial service will absorb the same proportion of the cuts as the central New York radar terminal, which covers La Guardia, JFK and Newark International, as well as MacArthur, Teterboro, New Haven, Republic and other regional fields.
      Related Video

      Assistant editorial page editor James Freeman on how President Obama could have prevented flight delays. Photo credit: Associated Press.

      Anyone who has flown in or out of those terminals knows that they are hardly models of efficiency, and one reason is the pre-modern U.S. traffic control system. The FAA still uses ground radar and voice-based communications that were the best technology the 1950s had to offer. Many planes are now equipped with advanced avionics that enable more direct and precise flight paths, but they aren’t allowed to fly these faster, safer routes because the FAA can’t track their navigation methods.

      For more than a decade the FAA has promised to modernize and make the civil aviation system more efficient and reliable, but the only things it has reliably generated are delays or cost overruns or usually both. The project, known as NextGen, is four years off schedule with no end in sight.

      The FAA’s troubles are the result of bad management and a lack of oversight, according to multiple Department of Transportation Inspector General audits. A 2011 investigation found that one part of NextGen ran $330 million over budget—or half of the FAA sequester—and then the FAA paid the contractor responsible $150 million in bonuses that were supposed to be an incentive for making the budget targets. The overruns are now approaching $500 million, and that’s merely one item.

      Meanwhile, ever since Al Gore launched a training initiative to increase the productivity of air traffic controllers in 1998, productivity has continued to fall. A larger workforce is now in charge of a smaller workload as the number of flights has dropped by 23%. As the Inspector General reports, “FAA data suggest that its overall staffing may not be optimal.”

      A rational government would use the sequester to improve on this sorry record. But instead this White House is responding to the FAA’s failures by making the flying experience for millions of Americans even more unfriendly. It is actively creating even more delays, cancellations and missed connections in order to incite a public outcry on behalf of bigger government.

      All of this deserves to backfire, and it will if Republicans break from their circular immigration firing squads and explain what Mr. Obama is doing. For all of its rough edges, the sequester is proving to be educational. It is showing Americans how broken so much of government is, and it is revealing how our politicians refuse to distinguish between essential services and needless waste.

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323735604578440981119902460.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

      • Flight Delays as Political Strategy
        The FAA furloughs traffic controllers rather than cut other spending.

        President Obama’s sequester scare strategy has been a political flop, but his government keeps trying. The latest gambit is to force airline flight delays until enough travellers stuck on tarmacs browbeat enough Republicans to raise taxes again.

        This week the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) began furloughing each of its air-traffic controllers for one day out of every 10 to achieve roughly $600 million in savings this fiscal year. The White House dubiously claims that the furloughs are required by the sequester spending cuts enacted in 2011.
        Related Video

        Assistant editorial page editor James Freeman on how President Obama could have prevented flight delays. Photo credit: Associated Press.

        Capitol Hill Republicans say the White House is free to make other cuts instead. House Transportation and Infrastructure Chairman Bill Shuster suggests the FAA first take a whack at the $500 million it’s spending on consultants, or perhaps the $325 million it blows on supplies and travel.

        In case there’s any doubt about the President’s ability to prioritize, at least two GOP Senators, Jerry Moran and Roy Blunt, have written bills to clarify Mr. Obama’s authority to make sensible spending decisions. He’s not interested, and Senate Democrats have blocked such reforms. Making smart choices about federal sending would spoil the fun of creating flight delays and then blaming Republicans.

        So this week the FAA has managed to turn the first stages of a 5% budget cut into hours of delays at the nation’s airports. The furloughs are landing on air-traffic controllers as much as they are on less vital FAA jobs. Officials at the Department of Transportation, the FAA’s parent bureaucracy, say it would be bad for morale to impose heavier furloughs on the employees who don’t direct airplanes. DOT has also ruled out any reductions in the FAA workforce to achieve the needed savings, along with most other obvious options that a private business would explore.

        FAA head Michael Huerta likes to talk about the “difficult choices” he’s making to satisfy the federal sequester’s modest spending restraints. At least that’s what he says when he’s not claiming that the furloughs of air-traffic controllers are unavoidable. Well, which is it? Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood is also portraying flight delays as the inevitable result of federal spending limits.

        Last week at a Senate hearing Mr. Huerta acknowledged under questioning that, in fact, his agency does have some discretion to prioritize and move funds to higher priorities from lower ones. But DOT claims it has already used this flexibility and still can’t avoid cuts to air-traffic control.

        Not that taxpayers should have a lot of confidence in the ability of Messrs. Huerta and LaHood to prioritize. On Monday, as flight delays were hitting travelers at airports around the country due to these allegedly unavoidable cuts, the top story on the Department of Transportation’s website announced a $474 million grant program that promises to “make communities more livable and sustainable.”

        How about awarding grants to the control towers at Hartsfield and O’Hare? The community of air travelers would likely agree that sitting in a departure lounge at Newark Airport may be livable, but it’s not sustainable.

        Mr. LaHood’s website on Monday also announced that “DOT launches Women in Transportation History online exhibit.” No doubt all the female passengers waiting for a flight out of LAX will be ecstatic.

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324874204578438913145965432.html

        You see Charlie-they don’t care about the workers or the people-just votes. It’s this way because Obama wants it this way. It’s this way because Obama believes the people will blame it on the Republicans. I mean how dare anyone think that at the very, very least we could cut the increase in spending.

      • Hmmm-for some reason it won’t post the article-let’s see if it’ll post this

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324874204578438913145965432.html

        • By the way Charlie-no ones trying to tell people it isn’t affecting them-far from it-we’re telling them it is being purposely implemented to hurt them as much as possible.

      • VHS….this entire issue on the ATC…..is total and complete charade and is bullshit. Do not believe one word.

  20. Girls Told to Ask For Lesbian Kiss at School
    CBNNews.com
    Wednesday, April 24, 2013

    Parents of children attending a Red Hook, New York middle school are outraged after a recent anti-bullying presentation at Linden Avenue Middle School.

    The workshop was for 13 and 14-year-old girls and focused on homosexuality and gender identity. They were also taught words such as “pansexual” and “genderqueer.”

    Parents say their daughters were told to ask one another for a kiss and they say two girls were told to stand in front of the class and pretend they were lesbians on a date.

    Parent, Mandy Coon, spoke with reporters saying quote, “she told me, ‘Mom we all get teased and picked on enough, now I’m going to be called a lesbian because I had to ask another girl if I could kiss her.'”

    Coon says parents were given no warning about the presentation and there was no opportunity to opt-out. Both the school principal and the district superintendent are defending the workshops, and are advising that they will schedule more.

    “The school is overstepping its bounds in not notifying parents first and giving us the choice,” another parent remarked. “I thought it was very inappropriate. That kind of instruction is best left up to the parents.”

    “I was absolutely furious – really furious,” an anonymous parent told reporter Todd Starnes. “These are just kids. I’m dumbfounded that they found this class was appropriate.”

    Superintendent Paul Finch told The Poughkeepsie Journal that the presentation was “focused on improving culture, relationships, communication and self-perceptions.”

    “We may require more notification to parents in the future,” Finch went on to say.

    He added that the sessions are required under the state Dignity for All Students Act, which prohibits harassment and bullying in the classroom.

    Principal Katie Zahedi and guidance counselors at the middle school worked with Bard students to organize the workshops.

    http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/April/Girls-Told-to-Ask-For-Lesbian-Kiss-at-School/

    This crap has really gotten out of hand!!!!!!!!!

  21. Why should we continue to take GDP seriously?

    “Revising how the US calculates GDP will not have a happy ending
    Adding in Hollywood royalties may boost US economic growth by as much as 3%. Such creative accounting cannot end well”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/23/recalculating-gross-national-product-hollywood

    Seeing as the Keynesians like to measure deficit spending as a percentage of GDP there is no need to reduce spending when they can just add more numbers and increase GDP.

    Who thinks this is a good idea?

    • Hey, look at this! “One small step for FLPatriot, one giant leap for…(damn, I can’t think of something stupid to end this with!) 😉 (being from Florida, I thought you’d enjoy the space reference!)

      Seeing as the Keynesians like to measure deficit spending as a percentage of GDP there is no need to reduce spending when they can just add more numbers and increase GDP.

      Is this your only thought/concern about this? Any non-political thoughts?

      Why do we care what someone from the United Kingdom thinks? 😉
      Maybe we should get the United Nations opinion? 😉

      I thought this was interesting:

      Government spending is also on the way down – thank you, fiscal cliff and sequestration – so that part of GDP is falling, too.

      So she seems to think the “fiscal cliff and sequestration” are causing Government spending to drop…contrary to some here at SUFA…

      Anyway – onto the “meat”.

      The “Hollywood accounting” is a joke, so I’d question the royalties part. Unless they can straighten out the “Hollywood accounting.” Ha ha ha – that was a good one!

      But the revenues from scientific research and development strikes me as legit (I would have thought that stuff is already included). I agree with the “recalculating back to 1929” issue, and throwing off past and current economic research. Will every comparative study have to note which numbers “exclude royalties and revenues from scientific research and development” and which don’t? Or do “percentage adjustments” to try to account for it…

      There are too many footnotes and qualification on most economic studies already…

      FLPatriot,
      I’m still interested in what measure you’d use in place of GDP – and why?

  22. Oh my. Note the irony of this statement, among other things so wrong with this little presentation.

    “He added that the sessions are required under the state Dignity for All Students Act, which prohibits harassment and bullying in the classroom.”

    Just how is this showing dignity to these girls and how isn’t this harassment?

    http://www.therightscoop.com/outrage-girls-force-to-kiss-each-other-at-school-as-part-of-anti-bullying-workshop-parents-are-fuming/

    • Yes, definitely bullying girls, although it’s much worse than that–I wonder if they plan on trying this little experiment with the boys.

      Can you just hear the outcry if they told gay students they must kiss someone of the opposite sex. Besides what the hell is the school doing telling any student who to kiss in the first place-are they gonna take this further-we have transgender students too-should our children touch each others private parts in order to show acceptance of the differences. Who knows Maybe the kids can get extra credit for a little “harmless” petting during school hours.

  23. FLPatriot,

    All you gave was opinion, where are your facts?

    Yes and No. I gave the GDP numbers as a base and then gave my OPINION on why “producing” stuff is not necessarily the right goal. But it was based on logical arguments. If you don’t like my analysis/arguments, then layout your own analysis/arguments.

    But you didn’t even respond to my analysis/arguments. All you did is tell me why the left is wrong, and you don’t like GDP. You’ve provided no alternatives.

    The only link you provided was to the definition on GDP. You didn’t provide links to, or the names of, the noble prize winning economists you’ve been reading, what their theories/opinions are, why their theories/opinions are better, how they measure “economic output,” how their measures differ from GDP, and why that measure is better.

    As I’ve said before, everything here is someone’s OPINION. The difference is if the OPINION is based on facts and logic, or if (as you like to do) you base your OPINION on your OPINION

  24. FLPatriot,

    Hey Todd, you mad bro?

    Not at all. This is the most FUN I’ve had here in a long time!

  25. JAC,
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/stella-tremblay-boston-bombing_n_3140461.html

    This is the kind of stupid crap some Republicans are pushing. Sure, it’s great other Republicans are speaking out against her, but she’s still out there (WAY OUT THERE) spewing this stuff.

    It doesn’t matter what comment by Beck that Tremblay is referring to. Her comments stand on their own.

    You like to post crazy stuff Democrats say as “proof” how bad they are…

  26. JAC,
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/alex-jones-downplays-connection-to-boston-bomber

    OK, now your just being obnoxiously funny.

    Damn – BUSTED!

    I suspect that shows or publications like his, on both sides, can be used as a form of “confirmation bias” for those predisposed to CRAZY.

    Yes, that was my other point.

    But it’s mostly the obnoxiously funny part…unless someone else tries claiming Islamic Jihadie “radicalization”…

    • Thas’ ok Todd…I will claim it. You have as much proof against it as I have for it. Both have opinions.

    • The AP invented this guy who claimed the Alex Jones part. This has already been debunked, well, mostly, since no one can find this guy to confirm it. The only “busted” likely belongs to the liberal media who are most likely caught in another lie.

      Since the liberal media didn’t get their wish for their imaginary “right wing extremist”, they had to try and deflect the fact that both kids were or are on welfare assistance of some form. This shouldn’t come as a shock Todd, after NBC got caught lying about the Zimmerman/Martin event some time ago in Florida.

      Maybe they just need to “make” news where non exists to stay viable these days 🙂

      • Speaking of the AP, The story of the capture of “the most dangerous 19 year old ever” has changed again. Let me just make a prediction that may be told later. The cops knew the kid was hurt and likely unarmed, there were plenty of witness’s and pictures to look at immediately. Despite knowing this, they wanted to play “martial law” under a new name. Here’s the link:

        Once again, officialdom has changed its story about what happened last week when Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was allegedly captured in a boat in a neighborhood back yard in Watertown, Massachusetts.

        From the AP this evening:

        Authorities originally said they had exchanged gunfire with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.

        The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation, say investigators recovered a 9 mm handgun believed to have been used by Tsarnaev’s brother, Tamerlan, from the site of a gun battle Thursday night, which injured a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority officer. Dzhokhar was believed to have been shot before he escaped.

        The officials tell The Associated Press that no gun was found in the boat. Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis said earlier that shots were fired from inside the boat.

        Obviously, we can no longer believe the police and authorities in charge of releasing information on the attack and the subsequent and alleged pursuit, shooting death of Tamerlan Tasernaev, and the capture of his younger brother, who was originally portrayed as an armed and dangerous terrorist.

        The authorities can no longer be trusted. An independent investigation must be allowed to examine all the evidence surrounding the case before Tsarnaev is prosecuted and put to death, as members of Congress, including liberal Democrat senators Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein, have called for.

        http://www.prisonplanet.com/more-boston-bomber-lies.html

        So the cops lied to the public, not a shock there. Will we ever get the real story?

      • Gman,
        Do you have any links about this?

        So you’re version of “debunked” is “since I/we can’t find him, he doesn’t exist”?

        Two family members have identified “Misha” as the person who steered Tamerlan Tsarnaev toward a strict strain of Islam.

        There’s no mention of “Misha” steering him to Infowars, only that “Tamerlan took an interest in Infowars”.

        • I heard this on a radio excerpt on the news. I find no credible links to this Misha character. In reality, non of this stuff matters anyway, the deed is done. At this point, all the really strange conspiracy stuff is starting to come out, not my cup of tea 🙂 Even if there was a conspiracy, I don’t expect it to ever be proven. The govt controls the message and the sheeple believe 😉

  27. Todd posted from the other day:
    T-Ray,
    [T-Ray] Todd, add some skepticism to what you see and read. 30 years ago, I sat in the cafeteria of a major petroleum research center and listened to a a fellow scientist explain how solar electricity was the wave of the future.
    [Todd] Do you remember 40 years ago when the Federal Government started the research on Fracking?
    [T-Ray] Had I invested in 1980 in solar electricity I would have lost it all.
    [Todd] Right. That’s why government investment is needed. The time-scales are too long and the risks to great for private investment. But when break-thru’s occur, they are huge.
    But you ignore that part…
    [T-Ray] Come back to me when the Cubs win the World Series on a 40°C October day in Wrigley Field.
    [Todd] Yeah – come back to me when you’re thru with your little diversions, and want to have a serious discussion (and don’t confuse FLPatrtiot by using “C”).
    ———-
    Todd, early in my career, I had the opportunity to work with several of the scientists involved in the early stages of the laser industry. These individuals were colleagues of the laser inventor Gordon Gould. One of these old sages advised me that most new inventions/technologies either fail or become commercially viable in a decade. Lasers, invented in 1960 are a good example as is the transistor, invented in 1947. A technology that fails to meet this test may have something fundamentally wrong with it or it may be just too early to implement and is waiting for other breakthroughs to make it viable (see below).
    Another lesson I learned about technology was to look for paradigm shifts. A paradigm shift is one that takes the unusual and makes it ordinary while simultaneously making the ordinary unusual. The automobile is a good example. Early on, only rich people had cars and the poor used horses. Then came Ford’s Model T, which resulted in the poor owning cars and only the rich having horses. The same happened with plow horses and tractors. As the ad said, “You don’t have to feed the tractor in the winter.” I can attest to this as child, we were relatively poor farmers and could not afford a horse. You may be too young to remember when analog mechanical watches were cheap and normal and the Bulova electronic watch introduced in 1960 was the expensive model. In 1969 Seiko introduced their electronic digital watch which caused the paradigm shift. Electronic watches became dirt cheap and mechanical watches the high priced items.

    With respect to fracking, i.e. using hydraulic pressure to fracture rock thus releasing oil and gas. It was first demonstrated in 1949 by a private firm. Government got involved in funding research in the 1970’s. Yes the government did fund some research but so did private industry. However, like many such developments, its success required the confluence of several other developments, namely horizontal drilling, imaging technology, diamond drill bits, microprocessors (PCs) to tie all this technology together to make it work, etc. Fracking of and by itself was insufficient to make the breakthrough. Critical to actual field implementation of the technology was the 2005 legislation that removed the EPA from oversight of fracking. Even with the government R&D involvement and their knowledge of its potential success, DOE still under report our proven petroleum reserves as late as just a few years ago after SUFA was started. I had some of these same debates with BF several years ago. There are some who question if government was a help or a hindrance.

    The synergistic confluence of several technologies is often the critical element in making a previously unsuccessful technology successful. Forcing a technology into the market place before all the required elements are in place is often a waste of money. We see that with electric cars. The battery technology is just not ready and may not be for a few decades. But our government invested in Fisker and others pushing the technology into the market place too early. Not only have we subsidized the companies marketing them, we as give rebates to the purchasers. This strongly perturbs the market place and is royal waste of our tax money.

    The same thing is happening in the solar cell industry. Government mandates that we generate so much green energy, then to meet the demand; it subsidizes solar installations which charge higher rates to the power distributer who in turn pass these added costs on to the consumer. The net result is that I am poorer as is my neighbor for no measurable gain. Not only does government subsidize the solar producer, it is also subsidizing the solar cell makers. We all know how successful that has been.

    Please do not get me started on wind energy. Here is link to the town next to the one I grew up in:
    http://www.adamscountywind.com/Revised%20Site/Windmills/Economic%20Issues/Visit%20to%20DeKalb%20County.htm
    I saw this the first time when I went back for a family reunion this fall and my Mother’s funeral a week later. I know exactly where the second picture was taken. The wind mills are over 2 miles away and dwarf the water tower which was once the tallest structure around. These are eyesores and stop turning when the government subsidies stop.

    In 1952, some university professors published a paper on the near infrared (NIR) spectra of various hydrocarbon liquids that are used to make gasoline. They concluded that one could measure the octane number of gasoline using NIR spectroscopy. The technology was not ready. In 1985, the U of Washington Center for Process Analytical Chemistry (CPAC), a government-industry consortium, made the first modern measurements of octane number using NIR spectroscopy. We had the technology on-line in refineries in well under the 10 year limit for new technology. What made it viable in 1990 that was missing in 1952? It was the confluence to high quality cheap optics to make fast spectrometers, spectrometer technology and design, fiber optics, high sensitivity NIR detectors, the PC, and commercially available analysis software that would run on a PC. The optics came from the laser and telecom industries, fiber and detectors from telecom, PC’s from Intel and IBM, and the software from educational testing and Ag. Was the government involved? Yes but only in a minor way. My first octane modeling attempts were run on a VAX minicomputer. It took about one hour. I ported that software to an IBM PC-AT where it took over night to do the same analysis that we now do in a few seconds. Absolutely none of the R&D that I spent on helping to bring this technology to market and install it in working refineries came from government.

    While government research funds are useful and have their place, do not overstate their importance. Without the drive for profit, vision, energy and many more dollars supplied by private industry, the technology does not reach the market place. R is only 10% of R&D.

    • T-Ray,
      Sorry, I’ve been thinking about this, but not a lot of time to write.

      Yeah – a lot of research “spins” around until someone or something makes it useable.

      And that happens in both private and public research. Think about NASA and DARPA, and everything that has come from them.

      For the wind power – I agree they’re not real pretty. But did you notice in the foreground of the first picture in your link? All the power lines? People used to complain about those, but they got used to them. I still think they’re ugly and destroy the landscape – BURY them!

      The other thing – it seems like most of these are on private property. The owner agreed to allow them on their property. Do you want to limit that? 😉

      • Todd, did you notice the for sale signs in the last two pictures plus the comment on real estate values? Yes, the land owners have the right to cash in, but do they have the right to destroy the value of their neighbors property without just compensation? Do they have the right to demand their fellow citizens subsidize this business? Should we be converting some of the most fertile cropland in the country to this use?

        I know you do not know the area. This is the eastern edge of what was once a prairie marshland. It extends several miles to the west. The prairie grasses grew tall here but the root system was perpetually wet. The land for several miles is as flat as as the Bonneville Salt Flats. The soil contains a lot of peat and in fact care must be taken to prevent underground fires. The marsh was drained so they could farm this very rich soil. The drainage ditches are quite evident. Standing in the middle of this former marsh, you can see miles to the horizon with trees being the tallest objects until recently. At night the sky is clear and full of stars as there are no city lights for many miles.

        We have windmills here in CA in the Altamont Pass above Livermore. They are located on range land in the hills so there are no houses nearby. Also the windmills do not dwarf the terrain as in Illinois so they do not totally dominate the view.

  28. @ Charlie (and any alter ego that may be out there…lol)

    The two wars that you mentioned are Iraq and Afghanistan, correct? Did I support them at that time. No sir, I did not. Did I go….yes sir I did as that was my duty according to the oath that I took as a United States Army Officer. ( We do not have the luxury of being anarchists)

    Was there a reason to go into Iraq on WMD? (Remember, WMD were not only nuclear but chemical as well).We know that they were there at one time. Is that a reason to attack Iraq? No, unless there was an immediate threat and there was none. There was only ONE viable reason to attack and that would have been punitive for violations of the no fly zone that was part of the cease fire brokered in Gulf War One. I would have supported the invasion on those precepts.

    As to Afghanistan……I took a combat brigade there and we did not belong there. But again…. we are the muscle for civilian authority. I am a proponent of reducing and/or eliminating all military bases in foreign countries except Korea and Okinawa. I am a proponent of a very strong military. I want to be the biggest kid on the block and I want to be the baddest MFer in the world.

    I would support eliminating all discretionary spending accounts across the board and limiting the Defense Budget to 5% of GDP. The figures show that elimination of discretionary spending accounts, closure of the bases in Europe, eliminating the UN contribution in total, dissolving NATO and let Europe stand on its own, eliminating all bases in the Middle East….continuing the presence in Korea and Okinawa (necessary for checking the expansion of Chinese military and losing the South Pacific strategic position)….adding all this up and the reduction of expense in the Defense budget would reduce the percentage to GDP to 3.8% and that would allow us to maintain the strongest military, develop new military technology, and provide for the defense of the USA and its interests.

  29. Gman,
    You have to hum the theme to “The Twilight Zone” while you read this!

    The crucial difference between having a preconceived notion – we all do that, of course – and conspiratorial thinking is when you get into that self-sealing reasoning and ignore every piece of evidence that is pointing the other way, when you’re starting to broaden the circle of conspirators, and when your skepticism gets to be nihilistic – when you believe absolutely nothing that the government or the media is saying – that’s when you’ve crossed the line.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_believe_in_conspiracy_theories/

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I had the song in my head the whole time. More More left wing Kooks trying to find another way to prove Climate change (AKA Man-made Global Warming) is more than a fraud. Nice find Todd, I will now watch to see if the lefties can stoop alittle lower 🙂

    • Bottom Line says:

      I call bullshit.

      The reason why people indulge in conspiracy theories is because they catch government in a bazillion lies and start trying to discern truth for themselves.

      After such a history of so many lies and cover-ups, if you trust, or believe half the shit government and media tells, …you’re a naive mindless fucking idiot.

      • psssss..you missed the newest civility memo from VH. Shoulda put a period after ‘naive’. 😉

        • Hey – butt out. You’re just jealous I got a REALLY COOL Title and you didn’t!

          • You’re hallucinating. Oh no I see, you’re title is Naive. There’s a period after naive.

      • when you believe absolutely nothing that the government or the media is saying – that’s when you’ve crossed the line.

        if you trust, or believe half the shit government and media tells, …you’re a naïve…

        I think we have a match!!

        But the best part – I got a REALLY COOL Title too:

        naive mindless fucking idiot

        Beat that!

  30. The Saudi who was a person of interest, then a meeting between the president and a top Saudi, enter Glenn Beck:

    Napolitano could serve “jail time for perjury,” Beck declared, and she will be “the first to fall.”
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/24/armed-and-dangerous-becks-latest-revelations-on-saudi-national-once-considered-person-of-interest-in-boston-bombings/#

  31. Is Congress Trying to Exempt Itself From Obamacare? The Interesting Details
    Apr. 25, 2013 11:05am Becket Adams

    Whats This About Congress Exempting Itself From Obamacare?

    Members of Congress are supposedly engaged in “high-level” talks” to discuss exempting themselves and their aids from participating in the Affordable Care Act (i.e. “Obamacare”), according to POLITICO.

    Or are they?

    The Washington Post’s Ezra Klein says this isn’t the case. But let’s look at both sides of this story.

    Here’s what POLITICO reported:

    Congressional leaders in both parties are engaged in high-level, confidential talks about exempting lawmakers and Capitol Hill aides from the insurance exchanges they are mandated to join as part of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, sources in both parties said.

    The talks — which involve Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), the Obama administration and other top lawmakers — are extraordinarily sensitive, with both sides acutely aware of the potential for political fallout from giving carve-outs from the hugely controversial law to 535 lawmakers and thousands of their aides. Discussions have stretched out for months, sources said.

    […]

    There is concern in some quarters that the provision requiring lawmakers and staffers to join the exchanges, if it isn’t revised, could lead to a “brain drain” on Capitol Hill, as several sources close to the talks put it.

    One source told POLITICO: “Everyone has to hold hands on this and jump, or nothing is going to get done.”

    The reaction to the report was swift and furious.

    “If the Republican Party leadership in Congress goes along with this ride, there will need to be a new third party that challenges both the GOP and Democrats,” writes Red State’s Erick Erickson.

    “There’s a word for this in the English language: ‘Corruption,’” National Review’s Charles C. W. Cooke said in a tweet.

    “If congress exempts itself from Obamacare it must give every American the right to have the same exemption. Anything less is an outrage,” Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich tweeted.

    “And now Washington truly becomes a satiric novel,” NRO’s Jonah Goldberg chimed in.

    Enter Ezra Klein. Simply put, the Post’s wonk says the POLITICO report gets it wrong.

    “There’s no effort to ‘exempt’ Congress from Obamacare. No matter how this shakes out, Congress will have to follow the law, just like everyone else does,” he writes. “Based on conversations I’ve had with a number of the staffs involved in these talks, the actual issue here is far less interesting, and far less explosive, than an exemption.”

    See, according to Klein, all this Congressional exemption talk stems from an amendment Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) proposed during the 2010 “Obamacare” debates that forces members of Congress and their aides into the exchanges. But rather than balk at the idea, Democrats embraced it and it ended up in the final law.

    Here’s the amendment as it appears in the health care bill:

    The only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are — (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).

    Klein says this is highly unusual.

    “Large employers — defined in the law as employers with more than 100 employees — aren’t allowed onto the insurance exchanges until 2017,” he notes, “and only then if a state makes an affirmative decision to let them in.”

    “But the federal government is the largest employer in the country. So Grassley’s amendment means that the largest employer in the country is required to put some of its employees — the ones working for Congress — on the exchanges,” he adds. “But the exchanges don’t have any procedures for handling premium contributions for large employers.”
    Whats This About Congress Exempting Itself From Obamacare?

    Associated Press.

    And this, according to the WaPo’s wonk, is where we run into problems. The amendment was never supposed to pass and was instead supposed to force Democrats into an awkward position. Instead they said, “Okay,” it passed, and now no one knows what to do with it.

    “It’s not clear that the federal government has the authority to pay for congressional staffers on the exchanges, the way it pays for them now in the federal benefits program,” he writes.

    “The reason is that the Office of Personnel Management — which is the agency that actually manages the federal government’s benefits — hasn’t ruled on their interpretation of the law,” he adds.

    In short, the report’s author swears, “no one is discussing ‘exempting’ congressional staffers from Obamacare.”

    Rather, he continues, they are “discussing creating some method through which the federal government can keep making its current contribution to the health insurance of congressional staffers.”

    But business journalist Megan McArdle says the Klein analysis misses the mark.

    “First, this is, in fact, about exempting themselves from Obamacare,” she writes. “This is a provision of Obamacare. It is in the bill. You may think that it shouldn’t be in the bill, or that it shouldn’t be in the bill in the way that it’s written.”

    “But — assuming that these discussions are actually happening — Congress is considering exempting itself from the one provision of the bill that actually directly affects Congress,” she adds. “As far as they’re concerned, this is exempting themselves from Obamacare; the rest of the bill affects Hill staffers only indirectly.”

    So who’s in right? Well, at this point, it’s unclear. It’s Klein’s sources versus POLITICO’s sources. Of course, there’s this from Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio):
    We’re not sneaking any language into bills to solve Dems’ #hcr problem. The solution to this & other ObamaCare nightmares is #fullrepeal.
    Whats This About Congress Exempting Itself From Obamacare?about 2 hours ago via webReplyRetweetFavorite
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    Still, regardless of who is telling the truth, this episode is yet another reminder that the health care law is a complex, headache-inducing labyrinth of unintelligible legalese that even Congress can’t figure out.

    Who’s ready for full implementation in 2014?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/25/is-congress-trying-to-exempt-itself-from-obamacare/

  32. Well, it certainly warrants -thinking about!

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev: A Product of an All-American Left-wing Education?

    Larry Elder

    Apr 25, 2013

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev: A Product of an All-American Left-wing Education?

    That the older Boston bombing suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, became a terrorist strikes one as disturbing. That younger brother Dzhokhar also became a terrorist strikes one as frightening.

    Adjusting to new country can be trying and stressful. The brothers’ parents came to America, only to return to Russia. Tamerlan came at age 16. A widely reported quote attributed to Tamerlan from 2010 says: “I don’t have one American friend. I don’t understand them.” According to his aunt, Tamerlan became a devout Muslim. He reportedly once stood up and shouted down his imam for praising Martin Luther King. One shocked witness recalled Tamerlan yelling, “You cannot mention this guy because he’s not a Muslim!”

    So teenager Tamerlan found adjusting to America difficult. But how to explain Dzhokhar, who came to America a year earlier than his brother, at the age of 8?

    Friends describe Dzhokhar as “Americanized” — an outgoing, friendly pot-smoker who became a popular captain of his wrestling team, a bright boy who never spoke about religion or Russia and never expressed hostility toward America.

    Dzhokhar attended high school at Cambridge Rindge and Latin, a highly regarded school full of prominent alumni, including actors Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, poet e.e. cummings, Nobel Prize-winning physicist Eric Cornell and basketball Hall of Famer Patrick Ewing. Dzhokhar then attended University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth in 2011, where he was a sophomore at the time of the bombings.

    What about the “education,” especially in the social sciences, that Dzhokhar likely received in high school and college? Did the usual left-wing professors, who dominate in number and influence on nearly all of America’s college campuses, teach his courses? Did his instructors stress America’s imperfections and teach that racism, sexism and homophobia remain major problems in America, that America is an imperial power that dominates the world, that “Bush lied, people died” on the Iraq War, that Abu Ghraib represents our American “military culture of abuse,” which explains why so many foreigners “legitimately hate America,” etc.?

    How many in-class discussions and dorm bull sessions — conducted among similarly educated and like-minded students sitting beneath wall posters of Che Guevara — turned into a chorus of attacks against American “imperialism”?

    The National Association of Scholars, a self-described “independent membership association of academics,” released a report last year on the effect of academic bias in the University of California system. Because of the lopsided domination in the number of liberal humanities professors vs. the small number of conservatives in the same field, the 10 UC campuses, they write, have become “a sanctuary for a narrow ideological segment of the spectrum of social and political ideas.”

    Recent UC, San Diego syllabi include history courses like “‘Race, Riots and Violence in the U.S.’ Exploring how different groups of Americans have constructed competing notions of race, gender, labor and national belonging by participating in street violence.” And “African American History in the 20th Century,” which covers the transformation of African America by “imperialism, migration, urbanization, desegregation, and deindustrialization.” And “American Women/American Womanhood” includes topics in relation to “a dominant ideology of womanhood … witchcraft, evangelicalism, cult of domesticity, sexuality, rise of industrial capitalism.”

    OK, that’s far-left-wing California. But the Texas affiliate found the same thing. In its recently released report on bias in history classes at The University of Texas and Texas A&M University, NAS Texas found “all too often the course readings gave strong emphasis to race, class or gender (RCG) social history, an emphasis so strong that it diminished the attention given to other subjects in American history (such as military, diplomatic, religious, intellectual history).”

    Our colleges and universities today find themselves stocked with ’60s radicals, some of whom even committed acts of violence. They include:

    Former fugitive Weather Underground co-founder terrorist Bill Ayers — a now-retired professor who enjoyed tenure as a professor of education at University of Illinois at Chicago.

    Bernardine Dohrn — Ayers’ wife and a former WU leader, who declared war on the U.S., spent three years on the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted list and became an associate professor of law at Northwestern University School of Law.

    Convicted murderer and former Weather Underground terrorist Kathy Boudin — a Columbia University professor and scholar-in-residence at NYU.

    Former WU member Howard Machtinger — linked to a deadly unsolved bombing of a San Francisco police station, he enjoys retirement from his career as professor at North Carolina Central University and teaching fellows director at University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill’s School of Education.

    WU member Susan Rosenberg — spent years on the run after her indictment for WU’s Brinks robbery and triple murder, until apprehended for moving, according to The New York Times, “740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun.” Rosenberg spent 16 years in prison until President Bill Clinton commuted her sentence, after which she took a job teaching at John Jay College.

    After the Tsarnaevs became suspects, the president of Chechnya said: “Any attempt to link Chechnya and the Tsarnaevs, if indeed they are guilty, is futile. They grew up in the U.S.A., their viewpoints and beliefs were formed there. You must look for the roots of their evil in America.”

    He is right. The search for the “why” starts right here.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2013/04/25/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-a-product-of-an-allamerican-leftwing-education-n1577724/page/full/

  33. Question GMan, regarding the Boston lock down.

    For instance..Today in my neighboring county there were 3 guys up to no good..shots fired in a neighborhood. The cops locked down 5 schools. It lasted a couple hours and the cops flushed the bad guys out of a nearby home. Once the area was secure the cops lifted the school lock down. I’m not sure how other areas handle a police situation like this, but that’s how these things are handled around here. Does this fit your “police state” definition?

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Yes and no. It is the schools responsibility to maintain safety for everyone inside the building. If the scools and law enforcement have a standing agreement under the events as you have depicted, then that is not a “police state” as I would look at it..

      Thanks for asking 🙂 I too often get accused of thinking in ways that I don’t think. 🙂

    • Let’s be honest and non-PC, it wasn’t/isn’t a lock-down. It is martial law. It is the police/government deciding your rights to personal safety shall be overridden by keeping the majority safe. If the bad guy in in your house, it’s better for the state and majority that you be sacrificed so they catch/kill the bad guy before he kills a larger number. Limit them to one school, not five. Don’t allow parents to pick up their kids because the bad guy could escape in the confusion. Don’t let residents evacuate a neighborhood because the bad guy mights dress up like a woman and escape. Above all else, don’t allow common sense or any thinking to disrupt a “plan”.

      I agree government does and should have the right to impose martial laws when an attack such as this takes place. I think their tactics and execution beg for exposure, thought, lawsuits and reform.

      The Sheep of Watertown
      By Robert T. Smith

      The events following the Boston bombing were instructive as to how far we have fallen as a free society. After having failed at their most basic fiduciary responsibility of keeping the country safe (surely more to come on this in the future), the government aggressively flexed its authority over its subjects, the residents of Watertown, Massachusetts. Juxtaposed with the recent national debate on more stringent gun laws, the future of Americanism is in question.

      Most disturbing was to watch the nameless and faceless domestic paramilitary forces all “ninjaed up,” going house-to-house, conducting warrantless searches. So much for the Constitution’s 4th Amendment protections. Residents were aggressively forced from their homes at gunpoint, physically pushed from their properties, ordered to put their hands over their heads, and personally searched on the streets, while their homes were subject to search without consent. The footage found here, as an example, should disturb any American in the alleged land of the free.

      While an unusual event, Watertown isn’t the first taste of government-enforced thuggery in the name of law and order. Reflect back to Hurricane Katrina. As in the Boston bombing government failure, after failing at all levels of government to respond to the hurricane, the follow-up response to the devastation included disarming law-abiding citizens. Law enforcement went door-to-door confiscating We the People’s means of self-protection, during a time when looting and robbery were prevalent. As one of many examples, watch the video here of an elderly woman physically assaulted, tackled, and knocked to the floor in her own kitchen by what can only be described as thugs with badges, so that they could take her sole means of self-defense away.

      It is hard to justify or condone the sudden transition of your fellow citizens — the local smile-and-wave, protect-and-serve police force — to the enthusiastic thuggery depicted in this type of video. As Harry Reid admonished us in the recent gun rights debates, “I’ll vote for the [“assault weapons”] ban because maintaining the law and order is more important than satisfying conspiracy theories who [believe in] black helicopters and false flags.”

      Perhaps Senator Reid and his Democrat cohorts didn’t observe the black armored personnel carriers on the streets of America, or the excessive magazine capacity in use by the domestic paramilitary. Perhaps Senator Reid and his cohorts didn’t see that the domestic paramilitary possessed truly automatic assault weapons of war, which they pointed at We the People as they went door-to-door during these forced evictions and searches. Perhaps the number of rounds fired well beyond the 10-round magazine capacity determined to be enough by Senator Feinstein during the shootout with the bad guys didn’t register with these progressive senators.

      Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/the_sheep_of_watertown.html#ixzz2RaT5pVtP

      • Let’s be honest and non-PC, it wasn’t/isn’t a lock-down. It is martial law.

        Well imagine that – you manage to be dishonest and contradict yourself in just two sentences. Pretty impressive!

        Martial law is the imposition of military rule by military authorities over designated regions on an emergency basis.

        How was it Martial Law in Boston? And if all you can do is piss-n-moan about my definition, look it up yourself…

        It wasn’t martial law. It wasn’t even a lock-down. It was a shelter-in-place request.

        It is the police/government deciding your rights to personal safety shall be overridden by keeping the majority safe.

        This is such a tortured argument. No one’s rights to personal safety was overridden. If the bad-guy confronted you – you still had a right to defend yourself…

        If the bad guy in in your house, it’s better for the state and majority that you be sacrificed so they catch/kill the bad guy before he kills a larger number. Limit them to one school, not five.

        And this is just as bad. If the bad guy is in your home, fight back, call the cops, flee – all the things you’d normally do. I don’t think you’ll be arrested for violating the “Martial Law” if you’re running down the street with the bad guy chasing you…

        And if you do call the cops in this situation, the empty streets will allow them to respond faster, spot the bad guy fleeing, etc.

        Don’t allow parents to pick up their kids because the bad guy could escape in the confusion.

        Ridiculous – the “Martial Law” was declared early in the morning – most people were at home, especially the kids. The “idea” was to keep them there…

        Don’t let residents evacuate a neighborhood because the bad guy mights dress up like a woman and escape.

        Don’t you think the bad guy escaping during the evacuation is a real possibility?

        How would you decide which neighborhoods to evacuate, and which not too? Evacuate the entire Boston area? Do you have any idea how much confusion this would create? How many resources are you going to divert from the search to coordinate and protect this evacuation?

        Above all else, don’t allow common sense or any thinking to disrupt a “plan”.

        What “common sense” or “thinking” was ignored?

        Plans are made for a reason – so you don’t have to made so many “snap” decisions. And despite your childish arguments – it worked. Which is probably the part that bothers you the most.

        I agree government does and should have the right to impose martial laws when an attack such as this takes place. I think their tactics and execution beg for exposure, thought, lawsuits and reform.

        Then layout your “Monday Morning Quarterback” plan and tell us how much better it would work…

        And if they had followed your “plan”, I have no doubt you’d be pointing how much better “shelter-in-place” would have been…

        • There was NO martial law. And, Todd, I do not know where you got your definition, but the military can never, under any circumstance, declare martial law without civilian authority. Well, there is only one instance, actually, and that is if the entire civilian authority and chain of command were wiped out. This is something I know because I used to teach civil disobedience and the uses of martial law classes to brand new second lieutenants.

          Now, if the POTUS or a Governor authorizes the use of military authority under martial law, habeus corpus is suspended and the military has absolute rule. It becomes judge, jury, and executioner until martial law is lifted by the authority that permitted it or until a Federal Judge lifts it in special circumstances.

          Boston was not martial law, no matter who says it was. The police had no authority to order people to stay in homes if they did not want to….UNLESS….there was specific authority ordered by the Mayor…with court enforcement. I would not have stayed in my house. I would have been outside on my property hoping the little SOB showed up.

          • Colonel,

            I do not know where you got your definition.

            From a DICTIONARY.

            the military can never, under any circumstance, declare martial law without civilian authority.

            Says who? Where did you get YOUR definition?

            Boston was not martial law, no matter who says it was.

            I know – and agree. TELL THIS TO LIFE OF ILLUSION – he thinks Boston was martial law.

            • I suspect -Todd-that in a supposedly free society -I’m not an expert or anything but I’m pretty sure America has always demanded itch-civilian authority runs the military-it sorta goes along with “we the people” control things. I suppose in societies where a dictator controls things -the military can take over-but hopefully that will never happen here.

            • I taught this subject for three years to junior lieutenants. In the United States, no military commander can impose martial law without approval of the President or, in the case of a State, without approval of the Governor.

              The ONLY time that any military can impose martial law is when there is a complete breakdown of civil law and law enforcement……meaning they are non existent.

              You do not want martial law. Habeus corpus is suspended. There is no Miranda. There are no rights. The military has absolute authority. And that means……ABSOLUTE.

              • So that’s the plan for martial law in the US. But the military could try to take over for the civilian authority on their own.

                Of course I don’t want martial law. That’s not the point.

                The military has absolute authority. And that means……ABSOLUTE.

                Right – they take over for the civilian government. That’s the point. That didn’t happen in Boston. Tell this to Life of Illusion…

  34. Bottom Line says:

  35. Bottom Line says:

    You can’t put two nuts, or two bolts together and still have the same effect, It just doesn’t ‘fit’ right. Human mating works the same way.

    Humans(like other animals) have two equally necessary, but different and separate parts, that when used according to the natural order of things, will create life. Creation of life, is in my opinion, the closest to god-like that humans can ever be.

    There is something a little unnatural about homosexuality. But that doesn’t mean that it necessarily causes harm or violates others.

    I think making children perform gay acts at school, or forcing people to accept a gay leader for their children’s scout group as a matter of anti-discrimination law, is equally as disrespectful as forcefully defining marriage for someone else. All are examples of one group of people using government institutions to impose their morals and values upon others.

    I found this story this morning and was rather impressed, as it is a child simply and clearly advocating the concepts of ‘Live and Let Live’ and ‘The Golden Rule’.

    Live and Let Live;

    ” Why gay people should be able to get married is you can’t stop two adult’s from getting married because there grown and it doesn’t matter if it creeps you out just get over it. ”

    Golden Rule;

    ” As you can see gay people should have the right to get married and you shouldn’t judge other peoples lives because if you was gay you wouldn’t want people talking about you. ”

    http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/4th-grader-s-eloquent-defense-of-marriage-equality-183606683.html

    • The question isn’t whether or not gays have the right to form unions-the question is whether or not their rights and the rights of a few-gays, transgenders, etc, -have the right to completely change the social norms of our society. Not to mention-the fact that although, gays etc.may have the right to live as they please doesn’t exactly correlate with the powers that be deciding that the rest of us must give up our rights to satisfy them.

      • Bottom Line says:

        ” …doesn’t exactly correlate with the powers that be deciding that the rest of us must give up our rights to satisfy them. ”

        EXACTLY!

        Operative phrase: “..powers that be deciding that the rest of us must…”

        The problem isn’t gay people being gay. It is the law inserting itself into people’s personal lives and forcing/imposing a subjective standard.

        Whenever you use the word ‘law’, you imply force. And since law applies to everyone, you are using force to demand that everyone have the same values. But not everyone has the same values.

        If it is going to be a social standard, then it must be based upon something that is universally beneficial…otherwise, someone is violated. And the only thing we really have in common is our natural inalienable rights. Thus the universal standard should be based upon respect for those rights.

        We all have the right to live as we choose, so long as it doesn’t violate the rights of others. Without law, it is Live and Let Live. With law it is Live and Make Live.

        I look at society and see a great big mess with a simple solution. I think “What the hell are we doing?”

        Law only causes conflict because it has grown past what is universally beneficial. It causes individuals to accept this or that ‘category’ of values and group together in voting blocks to force, by-proxy, others into accepting THEIR category. It is essentially a by-proxy war disguised as civility…a wolf in sheep’s clothing, so to speak.

        Take law out of the equation and replace it with a Live and Let Live/respect for rights kind of standard. What happens? – People end up minding their own business, as it isn’t worth trying to force others to live as they do. With government, all we have to do is vote to force others. If there were no such means, you would have to risk getting shot.

        Add to Live and Let Live, a Golden Rule attitude, …then what? When you start to think it out taking those two things into account, and not deviating from them, you see just how easily things fall into place, and what a peaceful society we would have.

        And what is it that prevents us from having that? Arrogance and self righteousness, the idea that someone’s values or lifestyle is superior… as well as the false idea that one has the right to force/impose it on others?

        Take any social issue…think of how many people are involved in creating it and what their responsibility is in the whole ordeal. Then rethink it with everyone involved using Live and Let Live and the Golden Rule. The problem will no longer exist.

        Now, most people reading this are thinking the notion that everyone could adopt such an idea is some kind of unrealistic pipe dream BS…that there is no way people can get along without force. Why not? Perhaps it is because we have all been raised and indoctrinated to accept by-proxy force as the only answer. People are so set in the current means, they have a hard time thinking outside the box to even entertain such an idea.

        I don’t think it is because we can’t, but rather because we don’t want to. If I were to try to pitch this idea to the whole country/world, I would be ridiculed and rejected as a whacko idiot dreamer or what have you. I have had enough conversations to determine this.

        We can all go to the voting booth in mass to support government, but we can’t stay home and simply mind our own business just as easily?

        Our whole planet from nation states right down to local communities is premised on violence. So how do we make the transition from a premise of violence to one of respect? And Why?

        The why is ultimately for the welfare of future generations, as everything is ultimately trans-generational, thus the how is to start anew by indoctrinating the children to accept a peaceful means of living. But to do that we must teach by example. And everyone is set of violence, so how is that even possible?

        See the paradox? It has to be broken. I think it can be, by simply making up our minds, as individuals, that we are no longer going to accept or live a way of life that is based on violence.

        For sake of spoiling our children, we can conspire in mass to make believe there is a fat bearded man dressed in red, that magically fits down chimneys to deliver presents to all the children in the world in one night, …but we can’t conspire in mass to teach them to get along without the use of force?

        I think what prevents of from transitioning to a peaceful world is the nature of humans in our capacity to do evil…that and stupidity, be it the inability to reason a better way.

        I see it like this…we have two choices…

        A – We make an abrupt change and learn to get along peacefully by adopting a Live and Let Live and Golden Rule policy.

        …or…

        B – We continue at current course and speed until our screwed up violent society/world manifests itself into some sort of critical mass where we destroy ourselves.

        Human nature in our capacity for stupidity and to do evil makes A a somewhat unrealistic option, …and option B is an Order out of Chaos method which still may leave a population of people who will rebuild a society based on violence, therefore eventually repeating the cycle and ending up with another stupid/evil populated planet.

        There is another option however, …though I don’t think people will like it. I like to think of it as ‘The Induced Method’. It is essentially genocide via bio-weapon.

        Step 1 – Inoculate all prepubescent persons and offer them sanctuary.

        Step 2 – Identify those who, by their own accord, are naturally inclined to get along peacefully, …inoculate them and offer them sanctuary as well.

        Step 3 – Execute a pandemic with a super bio-weapon to kill everyone else.

        The end result is that the only people left alive will be adults who can teach the inoculated/survivor children to live peacefully, whereby a peaceful world/society is produced.

        Genesis –

        5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

        6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

        7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

        8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

        9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

        • Bottom Line says:

        • Yes but, It is the curse of mankind to repeat mistakes over and over. It is the result of free will and the existence of God and The Devil or if you prefer good and evil. Select out a peaceful generation, a generation of Lotus eaters but the following generation will return to hate, jealousy and envy.

          In my heart of hearts I believe that the vast majority would live in peace but there are those who insist on not leaving that majority alone. They have to “tweak” language, customs, culture and proceed to piss off the rest of us. Of course, they always do it to make things “better” or more fair or more equitable. The problem is we have to swallow their definitions of better, fairer, more equitable. Forget that they meant something else for thousands of years they now have “new” and improved meanings that all right thinking people everywhere have to (emphasize, have to) accept.

          • Bottom Line says:

            ” Yes but, It is the curse of mankind to repeat mistakes over and over. It is the result of free will and the existence of God and The Devil or if you prefer good and evil. Select out a peaceful generation, a generation of Lotus eaters but the following generation will return to hate, jealousy and envy. ”

            Indeed. As I have said before, mankind’s worst enemy is it’s own nature, the capacity to do evil. There is always going to be that element of evil to overcome. That’s why I think it is so important to teach children to exercise love and righteousness. We owe it to them to teach them well and leave them with a world worthy of their best efforts.

            I think most people just want to get along and live their lives, to simply be happy, …which is what life is really about anyway. The issue is that we face as a whole is the system we’ve created, as it locks us into a situation where we are struggling and fighting instead of simply getting along and thriving as we can and should. It’s predicated upon force, which stifles our development.

            The big question is how to change before we destroy ourselves, or at least go through a period of ‘tribulation’. It speaks to that video Gman posted a few weeks ago about how to go from a violent existence to a peaceful one. Somehow I get the feeling that there is someone[s] thinking of genocide as an option, which is pretty damn scary. The scary part is that, although terribly evil, it does have a certain logic to it.

            ” In my heart of hearts I believe that the vast majority would live in peace but there are those who insist on not leaving that majority alone. They have to “tweak” language, customs, culture and proceed to piss off the rest of us. Of course, they always do it to make things “better” or more fair or more equitable. The problem is we have to swallow their definitions of better, fairer, more equitable. Forget that they meant something else for thousands of years they now have “new” and improved meanings that all right thinking people everywhere have to (emphasize, have to) accept. ”

            Right on. That’s what our system not only allows, but promotes. It’s always one group forcing the other into whatever subjective standard, instead of just minding their own business. It isn’t just about gay marriage, but everything. Gay marriage is just one tiny example. Personally, it seems kinda silly that we make issues of such trite things.

            There’s a better way. And if we collective decide we want it, we can have it. So how do we go from here to there? Whatever the course of action may be, seeing a 4th grader understanding the fundamentals of respecting rights gives me hope.

            If a kid can understand, why can’t everyone? Perhaps it is because a kid’s logic is simple, because they’re not clouded by all the hangups and garbage.

  36. Two Democratic political operatives were convicted Thursday of forging names to get Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the 2008 Indiana presidential primary ballot.

    Given the media’s belief that there’s no such thing as voter fraud, it will be interesting to see if outlets other than Fox News report this:

    Former longtime St. Joseph County Democratic party Chairman Butch Morgan Jr. was found guilty of felony conspiracy counts to commit petition fraud and forgery, and former county Board of Elections worker Dustin Blythe was found guilty of felony forgery counts and falsely making a petition, after being accused of faking petitions that enabled Obama, then an Illinois Senator, to get on the presidential primary ballot for his first run for the White House. […]

    According to testimony from two former Board of Election officials who pled guilty, Morgan ordered Democratic officials and workers to fake the names and signatures that Obama and Clinton needed to qualify for the presidential race. Blythe, then a Board of Elections employee and Democratic Party volunteer, was accused of forging multiple pages of the Obama petitions. […]

    The case raise questions about whether in 2008, then candidate Obama actually submitted enough legitimate signatures to have legally qualified for the primary ballot.

    “I think had they been challenged successfully, he probably would not have been on the ballot,” [prosecutor Stan] Levco told Fox News. […]

    Prosecutors say that in President Obama’s case, nine of the petition pages were apparently forged. Each petition contains up to 10 names, making a possible total of 90 names, which, if faked, could have brought the Obama total below the legal limit required to qualify. Prosecutors say 13 Clinton petitions were apparently forged, meaning up to 130 possibly fake signatures. Even if 130 signatures had been challenged, it would have still left Mrs. Clinton with enough signatures to meet the 500 person threshold.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/04/26/democrats-convicted-illegally-putting-obama-and-clinton-08-primary-ba#ixzz2Rb2zG96H

    • Oh ho hum. What is this nonsense you call voter fraud?

      • And it stays not news. Notice the Toddster avoiding it.

        • LOI,
          Do you even read this stuff?

          Two Democratic political operatives were convicted Thursday of forging names to get Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the 2008 Indiana presidential primary ballot.

          Given the media’s belief that there’s no such thing as voter fraud

          This is not voter fraud. It’s candidate nomination fraud.

          Do you understand the difference?

          Feel free to stop candidate nomination fraud, with my blessings!

          But don’t try to use this to call for voter-id – or any other voter-suppression tactics. This has nothing to do with voter fraud

          • Voter Fraud, the dirty little secret that left refuses to acknowledge:

            Here are the facts:

            *To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
            *More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
            *There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
            *More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
            *True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.
            *Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.
            *This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
            California: 49,000
            Florida: 30,000
            Texas: 28,500
            Michigan: 25,000
            Illinois: 24,000
            *12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.
            *The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.
            *Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration

            (source: http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures)

            And for those that want to have fair and honest elections truethevote.org. is a good place to start. They have a lot of tools to help people get involved in stopping voter fraud.

          • There is also these cases of voter fraud in Wisconsin:

            Milwaukee County prosecutors Thursday filed voter fraud charges against 10 people, including two accused of double voting in 2012 elections and two felons ineligible to vote.
            http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/prosecutors-charge-10-with-voter-fraud-4t98ni8-199446341.html

          • Call it what ever you want, it’s still part of the election process.

  37. Lots of questions –

    1. If the Boston bomber family was granted political asylum as their reason for entering into the immigration system, why does there seem to be easy travel back and forth between the US and the country they were seeking asylum from?

    2. If we can’t blame all Muslims for the actions of a few, why do all gun owners get blamed and risk having their rights revoked for the actions of a few?

    3. Will Obama ever belittle Muslims for clinging to the guns/bombs and their religion?

    4. Do we cross check the welfare, foodstamp, housing records with the terror watch list?

    5. Why is Planned Parenthood called such when as an organization in 2011 they killed 333,000+ babies and only made 2300 adoption referrals?

    6. Why would the president end his speech to this organization by saying, “God bless you”? What an odd thing to say to such a godless organization.

    • 1. Many were critical of Bush on 9/11, that he had the intelligence & should have prevented the attack. It appears multiple agencies had the intel here, so where it the outcry for Obama’s failure?
      2. True & why do they want to register guns but refuse to register immigrants?
      3. Maybe, Bill Maher did come out on that one….
      4. Dems will not cross check welfare with anything. Their priority is protecting their voter base.
      5. I still want to hire Buck to sue them for false advertising. I know it’s like convicting Capone for tax evasion, but I betcha’ it would work!
      6. He’s real good at saying things he doesn’t mean.

  38. Enjoy your weekend SUFAers! Finally some great weather here in WI! YEAH!

    HOW DO COURT RECORDERS KEEP STRAIGHT FACES????
    These are from a book called Disorder in the American Courts and are things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and published by court reporters that had the torment of staying calm while the exchanges were taking place.

    ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that morning?
    WITNESS: He said, ‘Where am I, Cathy?’
    ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?
    WITNESS: My name is Susan!
    _______________________________
    ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?
    WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.
    ____________________________________________
    ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?
    WITNESS: No, I just lie there.
    ____________________________________________
    ATTORNEY: What is your date of birth?
    WITNESS: July 18th.
    ATTORNEY: What year?
    WITNESS: Every year.
    _____________________________________
    ATTORNEY: How old is your son, the one living with you?
    WITNESS: Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can’t remember which.
    ATTORNEY: How long has he lived with you?
    WITNESS: Forty-five years.
    _________________________________
    ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
    WITNESS: Yes.
    ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
    WITNESS: I forget..
    ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?
    ___________________________________________
    ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn’t it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he doesn’t know about it until the next morning?
    WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?
    ____________________________________

    ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the 20-year-old, how old is he?
    WITNESS: He’s 20, much like your IQ.
    ___________________________________________
    ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?
    WITNESS: Are you shitting me?
    _________________________________________
    ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
    WITNESS: Yes.
    ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?
    WITNESS: Getting laid
    ____________________________________________

    ATTORNEY: She had three children , right?
    WITNESS: Yes.
    ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
    WITNESS: None.
    ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
    WITNESS: Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?
    ____________________________________________
    ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?
    WITNESS: By death..
    ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?
    WITNESS: Take a guess.
    ___________________________________________

    ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?
    WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard
    ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?
    WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I’m going with male.
    _____________________________________
    ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
    WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.
    ______________________________________
    ATTORNEY: Doctor , how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?
    WITNESS: All of them. The live ones put up too much of a fight.
    _________________________________________
    ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?
    WITNESS: Oral…
    _________________________________________
    ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
    WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 PM
    ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?
    WITNESS: If not, he was by the time I finished.
    ____________________________________________
    ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
    WITNESS: Are you qualified to ask that question?

    ______________________________________
    And last:

    ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?
    WITNESS: No.
    ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
    WITNESS: No.
    ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
    WITNESS: No..
    ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?
    WITNESS: No.
    ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
    WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
    ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
    WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.

  39. Bottom Line says:

    Just to share…

    Over the last couple of months, I’ve been messin’ with the doves in my neighborhood. I’ll walk outside and start to whistle a dove call. After a couple of minutes, I will usually have several cooing.

    There is a pair that have nested in a small evergreen in the landscaping. They’ve apparently grown quite comfortable with me as they allow me to come within inches of them quite regularly without showing any fear. It’s not uncommon for them to fly up and perch within a couple of feet and just kinda hang out.

    Perhaps it is entertaining to them to see a human cooing as they do. Sometimes I will talk to them, and the female chatters a little as if she’s trying to talk back to me.

    I think it is pretty cool, because usually, birds won’t allow you to come very close without flying off. These two appear to actually enjoy my company.

    🙂

  40. Bottom Line says:

  41. A news conference this day with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid wanting congressional investigations on patient dumping. They are confused as to why hospitals, doctors, and health organizations are being very discretionary on admissions and treatments. They also do not understand the controversy surrounding the ACA and why are states not subscribing to it.

    Harry Reid wanting a law passed that no medical personnel can refuse treatment to indigent and Medicare/Medicaid patients. Nancy Pelosi suggested tying physician licensing to treating ACA and Medicaid.

    Sigh………they do not get it.

    • OMG-They wrote the rules that make hospitals be discretionary when making admissions-then they don’t understand why there being discretionary-and now they are gonna what? Write a law that demands they break the other laws while retaining the right to fine them for breaking them.

      • Welcome to the wonderful world of politics. The right hand knows not what the left hand does….it seems to me, we need to cut off BOTH hands.

        • Bottom Line says:

          Decapitation.

        • Wouldn’t it be nice if we could believe that the problems with our Representatives was based on a lack of information. That I could forgive, blame on misinformation, believe was done out of lack of information, believe was fixable- but nope the problem is a refusal to admit the truth. Wouldn’t it be nice if a politician was just honest. We had a problem with fraud and prices escalating for hospital care-so we came up with this idea to fix the problem-but unfortunately we have these unintended consequences that have popped up-now how can we fix these problem. But no, we don’t get that-we get -I don’t understand why this is happening-which is total BS and most of us know it is total BS. So the problems don’t get fixed-we just get more stupid laws.

  42. I was sitting at a long stoplight yesterday, minding my own business, patiently waiting for it to turn green even though there was no on-coming traffic.

    A carload of bearded, young, loud Muslims, shouting Anti-American slogans, with a half-burned American Flag duct-taped on the trunk of their car and a “Remember 9-11” slogan spray painted on the side, was stopped next to me.

    Suddenly they yelled, “Allahu Akbar! Praise Allah!” and took off before the light changed.

    Out of nowhere an 18-wheeler came speeding through the intersection and ran directly over their car, crushing it completely and killing everyone in it.

    For several minutes I sat in my car thinking to myself,

    “Man….that could have been me!”

    So today, bright and early, I went out and got a job as a truck driver.

  43. I’m curious – why all the focus on Boston?

    What about the West, Texas explosion?

    Gman – no juicy conspiracy theories? What about the Mexican Cartel Al Qaida training camps? Maybe this was practice? What does INFOWARS have on West, Texas?

    Life of Illusion – what about martial law? People were FORCED to evacuate homes and businesses and the police would not allow them to return to their homes?

    Why aren’t you and the American Thinker up-in-arms that “after having failed at their most basic fiduciary responsibility of keeping the country safe (surely more to come on this in the future), the government aggressively flexed its authority over its subjects, the residents of West, Texas. Juxtaposed with the recent national debate on more stringent gun laws, the future of Americanism is in question”?

    • Why, why, why-so many why questions-guess it comes down to a lack of trust-worry that if we allow the government to step in and control us during emergencies, that they will do so when it isn’t a time of emergency. The explosion in Texas seems like a natural, for lack of a better word emergency-one where we really aren’t capable of protecting ourselves from-but some nuts running around with guns and even explosive devices seems like something we can protect ourselves from-we are a people who have been raised with the belief that we can fight, we can stand up against evil, in most situations-but a factory exploding, a gun doesn’t help me, being cautious won’t save me, but two crazies running around that I can fight against.

      • VHS…..I had already explained West, Texas. Also, while the fires were going, some people were evacuated. At no time were entire sections evacuated…..none. The reporting on this is atrocious. I was there for two days in the beginning because they used tank retrievers from Fort Hood ( less than one hour away ) to lift rubble to search for survivors. I helped coordinate assets from the Texas National Guard. The only evacuations were because of destroyed gas lines and leaking gas. Homeowners with damaged homes but no running water or gas were allowed to protect their valuables. There were organized civilian patrols, welcomed by the law enforcement and coordinated with them. There are literally hundreds of fertilizer plants in hundreds of cities and towns. There was nothing sinister about the explosion. It happens and it will not be the last one.

        However, Todd has a great point on the training camps in Mexico except they are not Al Queda…they are Hezbollah. But no one seems to care. They run guns and drugs.

        Why isn’t everybody upset about this bogus ATC fiasco and delays? It was bullshit and a big lie……..and people bought into it. The biggest lie perpetrated by this Obama government on the sequester. Ten times worse than anything Bush/Cheney did. What about going into Syria on the same pretext that we did in Iraq? It will happen…..

        Why isn’t everybody upset about this Boston bomber crap? Welfare, the governor refusing to release data, the parents supposedly in the US for political asylum and lo and behold seeking safety fom the very area that they left? The mother having outstanding bench warrants for larceny….the sister arrested for shop lifting. Why was the FBI investigation SUDDENLY pre-empted by Eric Holder and the Justice department?

        Too much going on……

      • VH,

        The explosion in Texas seems like a natural, for lack of a better word emergency-one where we really aren’t capable of protecting ourselves from

        We definitely can stop these types of explosions. The Colonel has explained that quite well in the last week…

        but a factory exploding, a gun doesn’t help me

        Right – but the factory following industry and government rules can. We need the personnel to enforce those rules.

      • VH,
        One more thing – the “a gun doesn’t help me” seems kinda weird. Do you think a gun is your only line of protection?

    • Todd,

      Unless YOU think the explosion in West was a terrorist attack (foreign or domestic), the situations are not equal. West was a disaster that forced evacuations. The situation, not a government, forced evacuation. If your house is on fire, do you & family run out? ( Is this before or after someone in a uniform with a badge shows up and thinks for you?)

      In Boston, 899,999 citizens did not have a terrorist in their boat, but were forced to sit and wait. (yes, the number is inflated, almost a million citizens, should have figure for # of homes) The primary difference is Boston was attacked. One of the attacker was still at large and the chance he might look to go out with a big bang could not be ignored.

      I don’t have the time right now to cover this, so how about I post tonight or Mon. morning and we can have at it? You seem to be wanting to call me out, so choose you second and your weapon.

      G!, care to stand with me? May need some help on the conspiracy stuff!
      Colonel, I am planning to challange you on the martial law issue and expect to win. (well, get you to agree with me, not what is in writing)

      • Ok….standing by…..good luck.

      • Texas was an unfortunate accident. There is no conspiracy to discuss.!

        Boston was a rediculous scenario. “Shelter in Place” as has occurred, should never happen with an armed society. These actions are a result of very stringent liberal gun laws. This would never happen in my part of the country. We would be told to shoot on sight 🙂

      • Only because you haven’t whipped up some conspiracy theory about Texas yet. I wonder why?

  44. Fractal Theory

  45. President Obama Zings CNN, MSNBC During Correspondents’ Speech — Watch the Whole Thing Here
    Apr. 27, 2013 11:39pm Erica Ritz

    President Barack Obama had several pages of cohesive one-liners during his White House Correspondents’ Dinner Speech Saturday night. He took aim at Rush Limbaugh and Republicans, as is his habit, but he (and many others) also singled out CNN and MSNBC.

    Swaggering up to the podium to the sound of rap music, he began: “Rush Limbaugh warned you about this — second term baby, we’re changing things around here a little bit…”

    He touched on how the second term, though, is somewhat more tiring. “I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be…” he joked.

    The president said at one point he was so desperate to quell the never-ending controversy he decided to use one of “Michelle’s tricks.” At that point, a number of images of President Obama flashed on the screen, all with prominent bangs PhotoShopped onto the forehead.

    Switching gears, Obama turned to the media. Of CNN, he said: “I admire their commitment to cover all sides of the story — just in case one of them happens to be accurate!”

    He continued: “David Axelrod now works for MSNBC, which is a nice change of pace since MSNBC used to work for David Axelrod. The History channel is not here, I guess they were embarrassed about that whole, ‘Obama is a devil thing,’ of course that didn’t keep Fox News from showing up…”

    After joking about how Buzzfeed used to be “something I did in college around 2 a.m,” Obama recognized the press’ preference for him over his competitors.

    “My job is to be president, your job is to keep me humble — frankly I think I’m doing my job better,” he said.

    After joking about the election and how Sheldon Adelson would’ve been better off offering him $100 million to drop out than spending it on attack ads, the president said he’s already planning his legacy.

    In lieu of a library, he’s going to build another “edifice” next to the George W. Bush presidential library. A giant billboard pointing to it saying, “His Fault.”

    President Obama closed on a more somber note, saying “these have been some very hard days for too many of our citizens…[but] even when the days seem darkest, we have seen humanity shine at its brightest. We have seen first respondents and national guardsmen who dashed into danger, law enforcement officers who served their oath to serve and protect, Americans opening their homes and their hearts to perfect strangers…”

    He urged everyone in the room to do more for “all those folks who are counting on us.”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/27/president-obama-zings-cnn-msnbc-during-correspondents-speech-watch-the-whole-thing-here/

    Our dear President-He really enjoys hating on everyone-even those who believe in him and his ideology. As much as I dislike and believe the media has forgotten what their actual job is, they are following the ideology that they believe is right for this Country-which isn’t really an acceptable excuse but it is at least understandable on a human basis-but our dear President-well, lets just say I can find no reason for anyone to still have any faith in him. I heard someone on here say that something really disgusted him-I felt it was an extremely harsh word to use-but with Obama -it fits!

    • I had a great day yesterday. I was up early and outside early, finally some nice weather here. Stayed outside until dark. Came inside, got cleaned up and jumped in bed to relax and catch some TV. Dropped my remote on the floor and was too lazy to get it. That’s right when Obama was starting to speak. I couldn’t believe the things he was saying! I honestly felt as though he was saying “In your face, bitchez!” I was waiting for the infamous middle finger face scratch he’s done so many times. The man has no idea what humble means. I went from being at peace from having a nice day to being angry..within 10 minutes.Then I was mad at myself for letting him get the better of me. I’ve been trying to tune things out, shrug him off while we wait this out. But he scares me, seriously. I fell asleeep with an attitude, woke up a couple times with an attitude, now I ‘m awake early on a Sunday, reading and replying..with an attitude. So much for my nice day. I wish he would just go away. 👿

      • I stayed away from everything yesterday and went to an invitational track meet. Perfect day. My cousin, a junior placed 12 out of 64 in shotput and 6th in discus. Business meeting tonight, back home in the morning, turkey hunting the rest of the week in the mornings! Till the garden and get ready to plant. Drink beer! 🙂 That’s what my week will be 🙂

        • Did the Turkey hunt myself, hunting buddy got the luck. Have a week left to try other spots. This one had only one gobbler. Had some heavy rain. Hate where I’m about to go, gumbo mud takes a couple washings to come off….

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