Weekend Happenings

One never knows when something big is going to happen, so to speed up loading, let’s have another thread. A few subjects that came up, Human cloning, being one. I don’t think we need this type of technology, but it’s out there. There could be some good lessons taught in the future using this technology, but I’ll let you use your imagination for now 🙂  Feel free to bring forward any previous discussions as usual.

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  1. gmanfortruth says:

    Happy Friday 🙂

  2. gmanfortruth says:

    Let’s all embrace Socialism. NOT! This is what it gets you in the long run. Charlie’s utopia in a nutshell 🙂 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/16/venezuela-toilet-paper-shortage-50m

  3. New Human Cloning Research Exploits Women, Destroys Human Life

    by Jennifer Lahl | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 5/17/13 9:31 AM

    The Center for Bioethics and Culture (CBC) strongly decries the practice of deriving human embryonic stem cells through cloning because it exploits women for their eggs, it commodifies human life, and it is unnecessary.

    In the June 6, 2013, issue of the scientific journal Cell, researchers announce that they have successfully derived human embryonic stem cells through somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT) cloning. The authors of the article, “Human Embryonic Stem Cells Derived by Somatic Nuclear Transfer,” acknowledge their reliance on women to supply their eggs (donors) to make this research possible. The paper discloses that 10 women were paid to “donate” more than 120 eggs.

    The primary means by which these eggs are procured is ovarian hyperstimulation. The health risks associated with ovarian hyperstimulation and egg extraction are serious, in both the short and long term. They include ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS), ruptured cysts, ovarian torsion, infection, bleeding, kidney failure, stroke, and even death. Longer term risks include loss of fertility and cancers from the fertility drugs women who supply their eggs must take.

    Harvesting” eggs is an onerous, invasive, and painful procedure. A woman must self-inject synthetic hormones every day for weeks to stimulate multiple egg production. A commonly used drug, Lupron, has never been approved by the FDA for such use. The medical literature states that young women—the target age group for egg “donation”—are most at risk for developing OHSS.

    Women contemplating selling their eggs are not told that no long-term studies have been conducted on the health risks involved. Many are not aware that there is virtually no regulation of egg trafficking in the United States; no national registry to keep records and track patient follow-up; or that the commercial fertility industry has every reason to minimize the health risks because of the enormous profits generated. Under these circumstances, it is impossible for women to give ‘informed’ consent.

    Kathleen Sloan, a consultant to the CBC and Board Member of the National Organization for Women (NOW) stated, “This confirms the suspicion of many that what is driving this push for human eggs is cloning research and the patenting gold rush. No one can patent stem cell lines from existing embryos because they are not ‘new in nature,’ but cloned stem cell lines can be, and they may be sold to other researchers, Big Pharma, etc. Women are already being exploited, commodified, and subjected to serious physical harms through reproductive egg trafficking. This new door that has been opened must be closed immediately to stop this gross violation of women’s human rights.”

    As medical providers and scientific researchers consider the findings from this report, the Center for Bioethics and Culture urges reconsideration of the entire project. Contrary to what many believe, such efforts are unlikely to bring about true medical advances. Other, ethically noncontroversial sources of stem cells exist (for example, induced pluripotent stem cells or iPSCs and so-called adult stem cells). This research will only jeopardize the health of women and the dignity of all human life.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/05/17/new-human-cloning-research-exploits-women-destroys-human-life/

  4. “Oh, give me a clone
    Of my own flesh and bone
    With its Y chromosome changed to X.
    And when it is grown,
    then this clone of my own
    Will be of the opposite sex.

    “Clone, Clone of my own
    With its Y chromosome changed to X.
    And when I’m alone,
    With my own little clone
    We will both think of nothing but sex.”

    ~Isaac Asimov

  5. How do you get to this point? Drugs? Alcohol? You are in so deep yourself that you must defend? She’s beyond nuts.

    http://www.ijreview.com/2013/05/52924-another-pelosi-gem-gop-makes-so-much-of-scandals-because-obama-is-such-a-great-president/

  6. Mike H. says:

    Haven’t posted in awhile, but thought this topic was a neat one to bring forward . . . .

    I can’t help but see some substantial benefits to certain aspects of cloning. For example, being able to provide a liver transplant without needing a donor, and with an identical (but unused and “young”) liver to the one being replaced. Or having the ability to replace a leg blown off by a bomber, or a woman’s eye that was irreparably damaged by an abuser.

    In my view, if such technology is available or likely to be available if pursued, it’s almost unethical NOT to pursue it.

    The problems it seems to me are the ethical issues with gathering the cells on the front end as well as placing appropriate ethical limitations on what can be done with them on the back end.

    I don’t know much about gathering cells for cloning, though I assume technology could eventually find a way around whatever dilemmas are presented there. The bigger issue seems to be the potential of the technology on the back end. We obviously shouldn’t, for example, be creating new consciousnesses. There’s also something vaguely horrifying about people potentially being able to indefinitely extend their lives and health by constantly replacing worn out “parts,” or perhaps seeking to “upgrade” organs that they want to function better.

    I’m not sure how you balance the risks and rewards here through a regulatory system.

  7. Adult Stem Cells Into Brain Cells
    By Wesley J. Smith
    April 23, 2013 6:32 PM

    Once again, so much for embryonic stem cells being the “only hope.” Scientists have turned bone marrow cells into brain cells. From the U.S.News and World Report story:

    Scientists have discovered an antibody that can turn stem cells from a patient’s bone marrow directly into brain cells, a potential breakthrough in the treatment of neurological diseases and injuries. Richard Lerner, of the Scripps Research Institute in California, says that when a specific antibody is injected into stem cells from bone marrow, normally turn into white blood cells, cells can be triggered to turn into brain cells. “There’s been a lot of research activity where people would like to repair brain and spinal cord injuries,” Lerner says. “With this method, you can go to a person’s own stem cells and turn them into brain cells that can repair nerve injuries.”

    Scientists like my friend, the FRC’s David Prentice, who opposed federal funding of embryonic stem cell research on ethical grounds and who argued that adult stem cells offered tremendous opportunity for regenerative medical treatments, were slanderously branded by the ESCR hypers as “anti science.” Wrong. Apologies are owed, but you watch, none will be offered.

    A small prediction: Once cloning is accomplished–coming soon, I fear–the same crowd will be making the same arguments in favor of that unethical technology, along with the same smears against their debate opponents, all duly parroted by the willfully amnesiac media.

    • Another Day, Another Adult Stem Cell Success
      By Wesley J. Smith
      May 1, 2013 11:01 AM

      This is still experimental, but the little girl who had a new windpipe built from her bone marrow cells won’t care. From the AP story:

      A 2-year-old girl born without a windpipe now has a new one grown from her own stem cells, the youngest patient in the world to benefit from the experimental treatment. Hannah Warren has been unable to breathe, eat, drink or swallow on her own since she was born in South Korea in 2010. Until the operation at a central Illinois hospital, she had spent her entire life in a hospital in Seoul. Doctors there told her parents there was no hope and they expected her to die.

      The stem cells came from Hannah’s bone marrow, extracted from her hip bone. They were seeded in a lab onto a plastic scaffold, where it took less than a week for them to grow into the new windpipe. About the size of a 3-inch tube of penne pasta, it was implanted on April 9 in a nine-hour procedure. Early signs indicate the windpipe is working, Hannah’s doctors announced yesterday, although she is still on a ventilator. They believe she will eventually be able to live at home and lead a normal life.

      There’s a word for that: Wow!

      http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/347079/another-day-another-adult-stem-cell-success

      Now from my understanding these advances have been make using adult stem cells-no ethical problems involved.

      • Ethical Cells Build Working Kidney
        By Wesley J. Smith
        April 14, 2013 8:31 PM

        This story demonstrates both the tremendous potential of ethical biotechnology and the continuing need for using animals in scientific research. A rat kidney has been built from “adult” cells and successfully transplanted into an animal. From The Guardian story:

        Scientists have grown a kidney in a laboratory and shown that it works when implanted into a living animal. The work is an important step towards the longer-term goal of growing personalised replacement organs that could be transplanted into people with kidney failure…Finding a new source of replacement organs that could be grown using the patient’s own cells and that could last a lifetime would, therefore, be a big leap forward.

        In the latest work, Harald Ott of Massachusetts General hospital led a team of scientists who grew a kidney by using an experimental technique that has previously been used to create working hearts, lungs and livers. Ott first took a rat kidney and stripped out its functional cells using a solution of detergent. That left behind a white cellular matrix, the collagen scaffold that gives the organ its three-dimensional structure. His team then introduced kidney and blood vessel cells from newborn rats onto the scaffold and cultured the growing organs for 12 days, until the cells had grown to cover the scaffold. The team then implanted the organ into a living rat, where it successfully filtered the animal’s blood and produced urine.

        There’s still a long way to go, of course. But whatever happened to embryonic stem cells being the “only hope?”

        According to Ott, further refinement of the technique would be needed, but it could lead to bioengineered kidneys one day replacing diseased or damaged kidneys in the same way that donor kidneys via transplant do now. Ideally, the engineered kidneys would be grown from a patient’s own cells, thereby removing the need for the patient to take immunosuppressant drugs for the rest of their lives.

        Note that none of this would be possible if animal rightists got their way and banned the use of lab animals. And it disproves their oft-stated lie that animal research offers no human benefits.

        http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/345553/ethical-cells-build-working-kidney

  8. Scientists Want to Scavenge Aborted Fetal Eggs
    By Wesley J. Smith
    April 2, 2013 10:42 AM
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    Scientists are keeping aborted fetal ovaries alive in order to scavenge their eggs. From the Daily Mail story:

    Scientists are ready to plunder the ovaries of aborted babies for eggs to use in IVF treatment. Experiments have taken the process almost to completion, it emerged yesterday. They raise the nightmare prospect of a child whose biological mother has never been born. The news, from a scientific conference in Madrid, was greeted with widespread revulsion at how far science is testing ethical frontiers. Experts warned of appalling emotional and biological problems.

    But fertility doctors say the development could ease a worldwide shortage of donated eggs for women who cannot produce their own…Scientists have known for some time that female foetuses develop ovaries after as little as 16 weeks in the womb. Now researchers from Israel and the Netherlands have kept ovarian tissue from aborted foetuses alive in the laboratory for several weeks. They stopped the experiment at the point where they believed eggs were about to be produced. Chief researcher Dr Tal Biron-Shental said it was ‘theoretically possible’ that with extra hormone treatment they could have produced mature eggs suitable for IVF use.

    This isn’t new. I reported on these efforts a few years ago. Some have even called for paying women who want to abort to carry their babies longer so that the cadaver will provide more useful parts.

    By the way, it isn’t IVF for which the eggs will be required, but human cloning. Somatic cell nuclear transfer cloning requires a human egg for each try and eggs are in short supply. Indeed, I have frequently noted that the technology has been held back by what I call the “egg dearth.”

    But if they can get unlimited eggs from dead fetuses and women, cloning will not only be successfully performed (which, I predicted, will happen this year) but eventually perfected and put to concerted use. Then, it is on to all the Brave New World technologies–such as genetic engineering–that require cloning to develop.

    Killing the fetuses and keeping their ovaries alive. That makes the scientists complicit in the abortions. Think about what we are becoming.

    Scientists Want to Scavenge Aborted Fetal Eggs
    By Wesley J. Smith
    April 2, 2013 10:42 AM
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    Scientists are keeping aborted fetal ovaries alive in order to scavenge their eggs. From the Daily Mail story:

    Scientists are ready to plunder the ovaries of aborted babies for eggs to use in IVF treatment. Experiments have taken the process almost to completion, it emerged yesterday. They raise the nightmare prospect of a child whose biological mother has never been born. The news, from a scientific conference in Madrid, was greeted with widespread revulsion at how far science is testing ethical frontiers. Experts warned of appalling emotional and biological problems.

    But fertility doctors say the development could ease a worldwide shortage of donated eggs for women who cannot produce their own…Scientists have known for some time that female foetuses develop ovaries after as little as 16 weeks in the womb. Now researchers from Israel and the Netherlands have kept ovarian tissue from aborted foetuses alive in the laboratory for several weeks. They stopped the experiment at the point where they believed eggs were about to be produced. Chief researcher Dr Tal Biron-Shental said it was ‘theoretically possible’ that with extra hormone treatment they could have produced mature eggs suitable for IVF use.

    This isn’t new. I reported on these efforts a few years ago. Some have even called for paying women who want to abort to carry their babies longer so that the cadaver will provide more useful parts.

    By the way, it isn’t IVF for which the eggs will be required, but human cloning. Somatic cell nuclear transfer cloning requires a human egg for each try and eggs are in short supply. Indeed, I have frequently noted that the technology has been held back by what I call the “egg dearth.”

    But if they can get unlimited eggs from dead fetuses and women, cloning will not only be successfully performed (which, I predicted, will happen this year) but eventually perfected and put to concerted use. Then, it is on to all the Brave New World technologies–such as genetic engineering–that require cloning to develop.

    Killing the fetuses and keeping their ovaries alive. That makes the scientists complicit in the abortions. Think about what we are becoming.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/344470/scientists-want-scavenge-aborted-fetal-eggs

  9. Just A Citizen says:

    Short diversion…………….HAPPY FRIDAY.

    http://t.foxsports.msn.com/military-family-reunited-at-game

  10. Report: IRS Deliberately Chose Not to Fess Up to Scandal Before Election
    “[I]f this fact came out in September 2012, in the middle of a presidential election? The terrain would have looked very different.”

    NBC’s Lisa Myers reported this morning that the IRS deliberately chose not to reveal that it had wrongly targeted conservative groups until after the 2012 presidential election:

    The IRS commissioner “has known for at least a year that this was going on,” said Myers, “and that this had happened. And did he share any of that information with the White House? But even more importantly, Congress is going to ask him, why did you mislead us for an entire year? Members of Congress were saying conservatives are being targeted. What’s going on here? The IRS denied it. Then when — after these officials are briefed by the IG that this is going on, they don’t disclose it. In fact, the commissioner sent a letter to Congress in September on this subject and did not reveal this. Imagine if we — if you can — what would have happened if this fact came out in September 2012, in the middle of a presidential election? The terrain would have looked very different.”

  11. Just A Citizen says:

    Let me add one general thought to the cloning discussion.

    ETHIC is that field of philosophy that deals with how humans treat others, how we act or interact with each other.

    So to say that cloning is pushing some ethical frontier is only true as it relates to our actions towards others.

    Thus whether use of aborted fetal tissue is ethical, is in fact an area of ethics because it leads to the potential of deliberately killing for the tissue.

    However, cloning oneself would generally not be an “ethical” issue. Unless I guess we can connect the clones possible actions towards others should it be created.

    I know this sound a little picky but I cringe a little sometimes over how many things are called an issue of ethics when they are not. For example, the issue of “playing God” is really not an ethical discussion, it is a metaphysical discussion.

    Now with that said, there are some who think Humans should have Ethical standards relative to how we treat OTHER species. Obviously this field of ethics would relate to the use of other animals or plants in the human cloning, splicing, etc field of science.

  12. Thank God it’s Friday … and THANK GOD FOR SARAH PALIN!

  13. Obama administration sources explain Benghazi: “It’s actually closer to us being idiots”
    posted at 12:01 pm on May 17, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

    Sharyl Attkisson hinted last night on Twitter that she would have something “interesting” on Benghazi today. The CBS reporter didn’t disappoint. Although it’s not exactly a blockbuster revelation, the change in tone in White House trial balloons in its defense of the Benghazi debacle is stunning:

    Obama administration officials who were in key positions on Sept. 11, 2012 acknowledge that a range of mistakes were made the night of the attacks on the U.S.
    missions in Benghazi, and in messaging to Congress and the public in the aftermath.

    The officials spoke to CBS News in a series of interviews and communications under the condition of anonymity so that they could be more frank in their assessments. They do not all agree on the list of mistakes and it’s important to note that they universally claim that any errors or missteps did not cost lives and reflect “incompetence rather than malice or cover up.” Nonetheless, in the eight months since the attacks, this is the most sweeping and detailed discussion by key players of what might have been done differently.

    “We’re portrayed by Republicans as either being lying or idiots,” said one Obama administration official who was part of the Benghazi response. “It’s actually closer to us being idiots.”

    Be sure to read it all, but this effort to push a new storyline for Benghazi is both broad and striking. It was easy to see how problematic the release of the e-mails was this week when the White House sent them out — and then had Barack Obama deliver a live speech on the IRS scandal less than an hour later. The distraction didn’t help, and the media seemed a lot less interested in Obama-administration apologetics after the raid on the AP’s phone records.

    Now, more than eight months later and nine days after State Department whistleblowers embarrassed the White House, administration officials are beginning to admit that they botched Benghazi before, during, and afterward:

    Thursday, an administration official who was part of the Benghazi response told CBS News: “I wish we’d sent it [FEST].”

    Mark Thompson, who ran the counterterrorism unit at State, testified last week that after he insisted on dispatching FEST, he got excluded from any further meetings on the immediate response. Who shut him out? Wouldn’t that have to have come from the highest levels of the department? Well, that depends on who you ask:

    The official said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s deputy, Patrick Kennedy, quickly dispensed with the idea. A senior State Department official Thursday told CBS News, “Under Secretary Kennedy is not in the decision chain on FEST deployment” but would not directly confirm whether Kennedy or somebody else dismissed the FEST.

    But:

    As soon as word of the Benghazi attack reached Washington, FEST members “instinctively started packing,” said an official involved in the response. “They were told they were not deploying by Patrick Kennedy’s front office… In hindsight… I probably would’ve pushed the button.”

    Don’t forget that another whistleblower, Eric Nordstrom, claimed that the ARB board deliberately protected Patrick Kennedy. Looks like those days may be over.

    One reason for this incompetence was that the people making the decisions were, er, idiots when it came to understanding FEST capabilities. Why? State never convened the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG) — even though the Benghazi situation is exactly why CSG exists. Tommy Vietor, who was in the e-mail chain on the talking points, told CBS in October that “I don’t know what [FEST] is… it sounds antiquated.”

    But once again, the question is why Thompson got shut out of the meetings. Had he been included, he could have explained FEST to Vietor and everyone else.

    The issues aren’t just confined to the White House, either. Who made this brilliant decision?

    In an unfortunate turn of events, on Sept. 11, a special U.S. military force based in Europe, designed specifically for quick reaction to unforeseen emergencies, was off on a training mission in Croatia. By the time the so-called Commander’s In-extremis Force was diverted to an airfield at Sigonella, Italy, an hour’s flight from Benghazi, the attacks were over.

    Let’s just ponder that a moment. We took our quick-response team offline on the anniversary of 9/11? Who made that call?

    Oh, and as for being idiots instead of liars, consider this from Attkisson:

    Even today, nobody will say on the record, or even off the record to CBS News, who was at the Deputies meeting on the morning of Sept. 15, where the talking points were drastically pared down for Rice’s use. The approved version called the attacks “demonstrations” that “evolved” after being “spontaneously inspired” by protest at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. All mentions of terrorism, al Qaeda and previous warnings given by the CIA had been excised.

    Bob Woodward was right. This story is far from over. A few more whistleblowers in the same vein we saw last week and we might finally get around to the truth, which is that the question isn’t a choice between idiots and liars, but whether we have both.

    Update: I buried one lede here that Mediaite catches, emphasis mine:

    According to Attkisson’s report, a FEST team was ready to intervene in the Benghazi attack and was preparing to respond but were never given the approval to engage.

    “With U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens reported missing shortly after the Benghazi attacks began, Washington officials were operating under a possible hostage scenario at the outset,” Attkisson’s report reads. “Yet deployment of the counterterrorism experts on the FEST was ruled out from the start.”

    Probably at the same time Thompson found himself locked out of the confabs.

    Update: This seems to indicate that Patrick Kennedy might go under the bus on FEST. What will that do to the credibility of the ARB report? I wonder if Thomas Pickering will be as anxious to testify about that to Congress, especially given Nordstrom’s earlier criticism.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/17/obama-administration-sources-explain-benghazi-its-actually-closer-to-us-being-idiots/

  14. The Daily Double!

  15. Ronald Reagan’s boy explains it all!!!!!!! How CPAC is ruining the Republican Party …

  16. Just A Citizen says:
  17. Trust … The Doc … Abercrombie & Fitch … The Trifecta/Hat Trick … Rangers-Brunettes …
    http://temporaryknucksline.blogspot.com/2013/05/trust-doc-abercrombie-fitch-obamas-hat.html

  18. gmanfortruth says:

    Good Morning SUFA 🙂

    After the events that have unfolded about the IRS, This video is worth a long look. How anyone could possibly trust ANY Fed Govt entity now is just being nieve. Hint: The Federal Government no longer works for the people.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/rep-mike-kelly-rips-irs-chief-a-new-one-gets-standing-o-from-gallery.html

    • “The Federal Government no longer works for the people.”

      What an epiphany, G! No shit … but, please, tell me when it worked for anyone other than those with wealth? Please, please, please, tell me.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Long before we were born Charlie 🙂

        • When? I don’t think it ever worked, except by accident, or force or common sense–like the demon social security … when it became obvious the 1% back then would have a revolution on their hands unles they tossed a bone to the masses …

  19. Interesting twist to the government seizure of phone records and wire taps of the AP……they were keeping America safe. Obama yesterday offers no apologies….and with the majority of people hating the press….they move the goal posts to justify it. Look at how many people are laughing at the fact that the journalists got an “in your face” episode….that no one is seeing the enormous repercussions of this move. It is appalling. Anyone on the left supporting this……is a fascist.

    • “Anyone on the left supporting this……is a fascist.”

      while I don’t support this, Colonel … let’s be a bit more honest here … Homeland Security was a Bush idea … the Republicans seemed very into the destruction of privacy after 9-11 … and how can you call those who support what they did a fascist? Lots of military people fought wars that were completely and utterly bogus … what does that make those who did so?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Lots of military people fought wars that were completely and utterly bogus … what does that make those who did so? Charlie, such a silly man you are. At the time of those wars, very few thought they were bogus. Most military folks don’t give a rats ass about politics, although that is changing as we speak. Military folks train constantly to go to war, that is their job. When Congress says go, they go.

        Now, the Iraq war II, was a war based on lies. Any member who served over there and understand this are not happy. Nobody likes being lied too, especially when it costs human lives and horrible injuries. But there is not much that can be done “after the war” once the truth is uncovered. In other words, you are trying to pull chains and justify your talking points by putting the cart in front of the horse. Unlike the Lefties of the world, we know that life doesn’t work this way. Try again 🙂

        • When Congress says go, they go.”

          So, who, exactly are the sheeple?

          • gmanfortruth says:

            The sheeple Charlie are those that support government because they think they can be the ultimate Mommy. You are quite guilty of that, so listen up. THe people who sit back and vote for these corrupt morons are the problem. Then you have those who vote for the free cookies, losers, all of them. They are the sheeple, as you are. you demand govt steal from the producers to give to the non-producers, then piss and moan when they do the same in another country, via the military.

            You ask for laws to protect, then cry like little girls when they WORK. See the Trayvon Martin case. It’s OK to snip the spinal cord of a baby when it’s not wanted, but it’s not OK the defend yourself from an attacker? Really? What planet are you from?

            You didn’t have the balls to go military Charlie. You don’t have the balls to do much now, except blabber on the internet. Your a sad person. You can’t handle commitment and do not understand it. You are totally buffalo’d by your indoctrination. While you whine about what the govt does, you are also one of their robots. You demand their actions.

            You could help the poor Charlie. Just dress up like a clown and go entertain the poor and underserved. You could call yourself “Bubbles the Communist Clown”! Then again, why dress up 🙂

      • I recall that the Democrats after 911 pushed very hard to consolidate the domestic security under one chief. It was not just the Republicans.

        • No doubt about it, both parties are guilty, but it was started by the Reps. Dems also gave the green light to that bullshit Iraq war … and they’re still more than content to take our time getting out of afghanistan … what have those two wars netted us, exactly?

          • Death and misery…!

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Charlie, follow the money, remember? Iraq has oil, Afghanistan has poppies. In the middle of all of this is Iran, who is selling oil “without” using the US dollar. If the Petrodollar dies, so goes our way of life. The collapse of the dollar is unimaginable to most. Notice that one unimaginable event (911) has led to all of what I just typed. Just remember, without us conspiracy theorists, yous would never have a clue what is really happening in the world 🙂

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Do you really need to ask why the DHS is buying ammo, guns and armored vehicles like they are afraid of something?

          • Hmm, wrote a whole big thing and then lost it. Bottom line, everybody was in favor of safety after 9/11/01, even me. Question was who saw it as a temporary wartime measure and who wanted it permanent (requires some mind reading as well as some study of previous positions politicians supported).

            Government, like a T-Rex or amoeba is a living, breathing creature. People see it as an inanimate object but it is not,. To survive, it must grow, eat, fart and reproduce. If you see it that way it all becomes clear. Everything it does revolves around those functions. Even the big shots in government think they control it but the reality is the government is the Queen Bee, everyone else is a worker or a drone. Government is our “hive” and it grows as large as we allow it to.

            If you make the comparison between Government and business it becomes even clearer. A successful business is an entity too. It must grow, avoid predators, expand into new lines and constantly update. If it does not, people lose careers, jobs and are out in the street. If I create a division of airbag safety in DOT merely producing an airbag that is functional and saves lives is a career ending move. I must expand my mandate into protecting arms, legs, noses and toenails to survive and prosper. If I create sub-groups for these items, then I am suddenly an administrator! I have divisions working under me. If I demand more authority beyond airbags, such as vehicle design, then I become a bigger administrator and since I am doing it for the “greater good” who in congress or the courts could deny me this? Denying me it would involve thinking and thinking requires research which takes time which I don’t have because there are 10,000 other “administrators” out there seeking to “grow” their operations, power and authority too!

            One of the things I am proudest of in my Civil Service career was that my program in NYC, The Neighborhood Preservation Program, eventually went out of business. After starting at three offices and nine people, it grew to 15 offices and hundreds of people with many more as back-ups. By the late ’90’s early 00’s it had done its job. The “iffy” neighborhoods were stabilized. Of course, politically, you can never deny a councilmanic or Assembly district the eternal continuation of a program once it gets going but the nature of NPP was that it could be folded and folded into smaller units. So, eventually instead of having several offices throughout a city borough, it shrank to one office with five names. Staff shrank accordingly and the opportunity came to fold in other city housing services. So, while the name is still there, it is a name only. In a way, that’s nice because it honors good work that was well done.

            So, the answer is something very popular as a talking point in the ’70’s which was used successfully several times (think assault weapons ban) it is the sunset provision in a law. At the end of X time the program is either extended by a vote of the legislature or it disappears. It is a wonderful idea supported in the past by sane liberals and conservatives Sens. Moynihan and Goldwater for example. It provides cover for politicians in that they can vote for something and then be out of town for renewal (Marijuana laws for example) but, it challenges “government”. There is not a program director out there who is career minded who would support it. They would all be out of work or lose huge chunks of their authority. That is why you rarely, if ever, hear about it any more. There, is a Constitutional Amendment for you!

      • I shall amend my statement to ANYONE supporting this is a fascist. Yes, Charlie, homeland defense is a joke and I can speak of first hand knowledge….I work with them. About 1/3 of them cannot read but you do not have to be a scholar to work for the US government. Congress has proven that.

  20. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/18/Joe-Scarborough-Piers-Morgan-Concede-gun-rights-activists-not-crazy

    These idiots finally get how easily Tyranny can occur. Unfortunately, they will forget the lesson by next week.

  21. gmanfortruth says:

    One of my favorites and NOT on Comedy Central 😆

    • gmanfortruth says:

      T-Ray, the shame of it all is that nothing will happen. It will all be swept under the rug, probably soon too! Hopefully, it will wake up some folks who still think that voting can fix the Federal Govt.

      • gman, I posted the link because it explains several things. We were running guns etc. to Syria, Benghazi was an Iranian op and a trap, hence our lack of response, the Russian’s had proof the Syrian rebels were preparing a false flag chemical attack to draw us into the Syrian CW which is why Obama did not respond to his supposed red line, and Russian’s red line is US or NATO troops/planes in Syria with the threat of an expanded war. Our meddling in these affairs is clumsy, stupid, and counterproductive.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          I agree 100% T-Ray. As usual, there is a money trail, and it leads to Qatar. They want a piece of the LNG (Liquid Natural Gas) pie in Europe but can’t run a pipeline through Saudi. Qatar has spent 3 Billion funding the Syrian rebels. Why is Russia involved? Because they currently have the monopoly on the LNG business in Europe and they don’t want Qatar to cut into their riches (and power).

          Russia is prepped for war if the West invades Syria. We need nothing from Syria and Isreal can protect themselves just fine. Saudi, Qatar and the Turks are working together in Turkey, arming the rebels. Any use of chemical weapons is on the Rebels, not the Syrian forces. This could lead directly into WW III. Considering the world economy, the currency wars and the recent trade wars, World War is historically next.

          Hope today finds you and yours happy and healthy 🙂 PEACE!

          • gman, Starting to enjoy the fruits of my garden. Pulled radishes and picked lettuce yesterday. Need to do some more planting today. So far the deer have not been too voracious. I have been leaving signs they can read. Have to go into Sac this evening and pick up #2 son at the train station. Apple and plum trees are doing well. The new pear trees are growing so will have pears in couple of years. So all is fine here.

            Did not know about gas deal with Qatar. Just another piece of the puzzle. I am with you. I think we should stay out of it totally. We do not need trouble with Russia.

            I hope spring has finally sprung in PA.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Spring has sprung here in PA. The garden is in and growing well. I love Spring here, the young animals are born and there’s always a chance to watch a real birth in the wild. I’ve seen several deer births, it’s amazing. Here’s a link to explain much more about the current situation, as always, take it with a grain of salt.

              http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/05/19/obamas-endgame3387/

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