Another Summer Weekend

I have been M.I.A. due to some projects and good hot weather. With some rain coming, things should slow down some. This morning I caught JAC and Charlie’s chat about starving children. While I’m sure that there could certainly be some children in the USA that are hungry, I have my doubts that any of them are starving to death. I believe most of these claims are media hogwash.  With the amount of welfare and foodstamps being collected, if there are any children in this country starving, it’s because of their idiot parents.  With soup kitchens and church charities giving away food in almost every city and town, any claims of starvation in this country is going to have to be proven, not just claimed.  With that said,  have a great weekend and enjoy the warm weather.

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  1. gmanfortruth says:

    🙂

  2. gmanfortruth says:
  3. gmanfortruth says:

    None of this would be needed if vaccines were what they say they are. Lies must be covered up or shut up, money talks some more. http://www.prisonplanet.com/internet-monitoring-system-to-stalk-social-media-users-who-question-safety-of-vaccines.html

  4. As usual (and consistently), you miss the point Chomsky was making … why is that, you think? All of you (so far) … missing the point … maybe it’s blinders … maybe it’s the water yous drink … maybe in your patriotic upward swing from poverty to making it as good Americans, you missed a few meals along the way?

    Try another strawman … or learn how to interpret … but don’t waste my time, G. I want to debate with rocks, we have them here in Jersey too.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I wasn’t debating with you at all. Chomsky? Who cares about this guy? He’s just another mouthpiece, just like Ayn Rand. You know her, your favorite chew toy 🙂

      • Okay, geniuses, one and all at SUFA … try listening to this ONE MORE TIME … he isn’t comparing abortion to dying from starvation … (nor is he speaking on behalf of abortion) … pay attention … try to dislodge the brainwashing for a few minutes (3:15 of the 6:44) … “in fact, making it worse … doing nothing about it …”

        Or just say: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

        • gmanfortruth says:

          The whackball talking about blasphemy is a nutjob and not at all what most Christians believe. Saving the poor in other nations, sounds good on the surface, but we can’t even treat our own veterans properly with our tax dollars. The bleeding heart stuff sounds great, but sadly, what happens in foreign nations is really none of our business. IMHO, we should have zero presence in any foreign nation, especially militarily. Bring our people home and leave the rest of the world alone.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            There are plenty of charities to give to that help those in foreign nations. Do you give to any of these Charlie?

        • charlie, what do you do to feed the starving children?

  5. Taken from MadMom’s post on FB:

    COMMUNISM IS CREEPING IN ONE STEP AT A TIME, EXACTLY AS PLANNED.

    Six trivia questions to see how much history you know. Be honest, it’s kinda fun and revealing. If you don’t know the answer make your best guess. Answer all the questions (no cheating) before looking at the answers.
    Who said it?
    1) “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”
    A. Karl Marx
    B. Adolph Hitler
    C. Joseph Stalin
    D. None of the above

    2) “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few…… And to replace it with shared responsibility ,,,,,for shared prosperity.”

    A. Lenin
    B. Mussolini
    C. Idi Amin
    D. None of the Above

    3) “(We) …..can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.”

    A. Nikita Khrushev
    B. Josef Goebbels
    C. Boris Yeltsin
    D. None of the above

    4) “We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own … in order to create this common ground.”

    A. Mao Tse Dung
    B. Hugo Chavez
    C. Kim Jong Il
    D. None of the above

    5) “I certainly think the free-market has failed.”

    A. Karl Marx
    B. Lenin
    C. Molotov
    D. None of the above

    6) “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched.”

    A. Pinochet
    B. Milosevic
    C. Saddam Hussein
    D. None of the above
    Scroll down for answers

    Answers
    (1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
    (2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
    (3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
    (4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
    (5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
    (6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005
    Wanna know something scary? She may be the next socialist president if you don’t forward this to everyone that you know.

  6. To bring forward a discussion.

    charlie commented:
    Wrong again, FLP!

    we’re #37 …

    we’re #37, We’re #37, We’re #37 (doesn’t sound too good, does it?) …

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_edu_spe-education-spending-of-gdp

    My rebuttal:
    charlie, charlie, charlie, you are twisting the facts to support your claim again. Your information does nothing to prove me wrong, but you are quick to jump to that claim. Let me state my claim again for you:

    “The United States of America spends more money per a child than any other country.”

    Notice I am measuring “per a child” spending and not % of GDP as your link does. If you go further than the top link in a google search you will find that as of 2010 (the last year a study was compiled) we spent nearly $8k per student, the most of any other country.

    Try again.

      • BS flag flyin high!. Look at the est class size for USA…13. 13??? Give the study maker an F!

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Careful Anita, you might sprain something throwing all the BS flags at Charlie 🙂

    • To reiterate something you obviously aren’t grasping …

      Okay, geniuses, one and all at SUFA … try listening to this ONE MORE TIME … he isn’t comparing abortion to dying from starvation … (nor is he speaking on behalf of abortion) … pay attention … try to dislodge the brainwashing for a few minutes (3:15 of the 6:44) … “in fact, making it worse … doing nothing about it …”

      Or just say: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Why don’t you just share your point with all of us.

        • For you, it’s this: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

          For some others in here … there might be a point to make, but trust me, it’s been over your head from the getgo

    • Ahh, back to education, one of my favorite topics. I went through grammar, high school and college because I studied, did my homework and passed my examinations. Next question, why did I do this? I did it because my parents MADE me do it.

      There are two operant words above, one is : Parent(s) in the plural and the other is made. If you are not made to study, do homework and pass tests, you will fail, period, end of sentence. There are remarkably few five year old self starters out there. Direction, the duty of parents, is required. My experience in the City would indicate that there are damned few single parent, head of household folks who have either the time or inclination to demand performance. On the other hand, just look at Asian families. Look at the finalists in the just concluded National Spelling Bee, fr out of proportion to their numbers in the population.

      There is an interesting “disaster”, end of the world book out there written in 1949 by George Stewart, called “Earth Abides”. The bulk of the population is knocked off by some weird disease. The handful of immune survivors go about living in the abandoned suburbs of San Francisco. Besides being an interesting ecological tale, it also shows the loss of civilization. Our hero, a college student, is the leader but cannot impose his desire to educate the children on his fellow survivors. They are living in a ghost city where all their physical needs are met by breaking into another abandoned warehouse. He puts all his hopes into his son who he teaches to read and who he wants to be his successor. The kid dies of an infection. End of civilization! In the real world of 2013, the vast bulk of the uneducated in the inner cities and the rural areas fall into this category.

      • “I did it because my parents MADE me do it.”

        So for those kids who don’t have the same experience, what? Let them rot? I’m trying to follow you’re point (besides what it seems to be — not sure if I’m understand) “if I can do it, everyone has to or else”?

        I experienced pretty much the opposite once I was of college age … early on, I was whipped for screwing off (and I wasn’t a very good student) … I wasn’t a good student at all until college, in fact. And that was because I was inpsired by a teacher … my old man thought I was wasting my time goign to college, even though it was on a football scholarship and didn’t cost me anything … he was a pragmatic guy … didn’t see the point … somehow I don’t think every kid should have to experience the same thing …

        • I pointed out there are remarkably few 5 year old self starters. This is true, but there are some. There are those who, when they get older, realize the value of an eduction and get one. You, my friend, are a person who has innate talent. You would succeed with or without an advanced eduction.

          The Trynosky side of the family believes strongly in education. My Dad had to drop out of High School at 15 to support his Mom and siblings. He was happier at my High School graduation than I was. I still think he valued it more than my college degree. All my Trynosky cousins went to college, many took advanced degrees. The Yanacek side of the family was the opposite. My maternal grandfather, the wife beating drunkard, did not believe in educating his daughters beyond sixth grade. He actually sent them out to work! Didn’t much care about the males either. I doubt that one of eight finished high school. The next generation, not that much better. About 30% got degrees.

          So Charlie, there are those who care and those who don’t. You were fortunate, you made it through school and then found an outstanding teacher who inspired you to excel but that was after you were already a grown man. If there is no effort at all to encourage these poor kids to get an eduction by their families, they will never make it to the point where the light bulb goes off in their heads.

          When I was out of college, reading sociology on my own, there were some fascinating stats on ethnic groups and educations. The Italian community, perhaps the hardest working and certainly most patriotic (look at their volunteer numbers in WW 2) of all ethnic groups in the country has an abysmal record on supporting higher eduction for their children. They go into the trades, do well and all but actively discourage their children from continuing on to college if there is a cousin, uncle, father or paisan they know in the construction industry.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      FLP & Charlie

      Your both right and your both wrong……………ha, ha, ha, ha!

      My CHALLENGE to you both.

      Try and find data on education spending world wide that is COMPARIBLE. You know, apples to apples, etc.

      This means the same YEAR and the same metrics. The most current year would be preferable since FLP’s comment was about what the US is doing now, not what it was in 1990 or 2009.

  7. Now don’t forget … ignore what this man has to say … why? Because it will completely burst the bubble you’re all so comfortable living in … he teaches at MIT, has written over a 100 books, because communism is taking over (right Kathy?) … oy vey

    • Just A Citizen says:

      When are you going to realize that his commentary doesn’t burst anything.

      All he does is make arguments from his socialist premise and then rationalize his premise. He NEVER deals with the IMMORAL nature of this premise itself.

      And neither do you. You think that because he makes your same appeal to emotion that this somehow is an argument against a different conception of MORAL base.

      • When are you going to realize that his commentary doesn’t burst anything.

        JAC, not for a second did I EVER think anything Noam Chomsky says would penetrate your immoral, greed-based, noggin. You just claimed Tail Gunner Joe “hit the nail on the head” … one of the most paranoid, dispicable people in U.S. history, you agree with. Your morality is down around your ankles, brother … you need Ayn Rand to justify your isolationist mentality … you’d have been the perfect Nazi … but even then, I suspect uncle adolph would have wanted to knwo your name, so you probably would have been a rear echelon nazi … 🙂

        • Just A Citizen says:

          The emotional outburst of the communist who has nothing to stand on.

          Expected and right on schedule.

          You fit well in the communist mold. A political system of might makes right, one where bullies can thrive.

          • You’re a funny man (if, in fact, you’re not a woman), JAC … I wonder if you’re as hypocritical about your God as you are about everything else … but I don’t wonder about your immorality … it’s the stuff nazi’s are made of …

            • Just A Citizen says:

              You obviously don’t understand the concept of morality, me or Nazi.

              I know you love poking people here but you couldn’t sound any more ignorant if you tried twice as hard.

              • JAC, there isn’t a person I respect who wouldn’t consider you an immoral nazi … you respect Tail Gunner Joe and Ayn Rand

                What the real world would call game, set, match.

                And, oh, JAC, I come here to make fun of the ignorance … you wear it like a cross, my brother.:)

  8. Once again, G tries his best to be a man and come on and say what he feels … except that require he grow a pair (and that isn’t going ot happen in this life) … so he puts a pictuer of a black woman at the top of this post … is he aware of the following, I wonder? A 1% difference … well with in anyone’s margin of error …

    Does he post corporate welfare? And who gets the bulk of that do you EVER wonder (white run corporations or black run corporations)?

    Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
    Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
    Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
    Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
    Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %

    Yeah, I’m calling you a racist … a coward racist too … 🙂

    • You know, sufa-ites, between JAC and G, I’m thinking maybe USW should rename this “Racists and Bigots for and of America … “

  9. Just A Citizen says:

    Re; Chomsky’s appeal to emotion and fallacy of false moral equivalency.

    Lets put aside the false equivalency for a moment and deal with the bizzare argument on its face value. But lets use the Progressive method.

    Total World Wide Death due to “diarrhea” = 1.798 million/year
    Total World Wide Death due to “malaria” = 1.292 million/year

    Total World Wide Deaths due to “abortion” = 42 million/year

    So those who wish to prevent the immediate and deliberate DEATH/Killing of 42 million don’t have a moral standing to be even “considered” in a discussion because they don’t make a bunch of noise about solving these EASY problems of diarrhea, bad water, malnutrition, etc. that MIGHT cause the death of 2 to 5 million total, combined from all other causes.

    It costs NOTHING to save 42 million per year. Simply STOP KILLING THEM OUTRIGHT. Would this not be the PRAGMATIC solution to child mortality. It is after all the most efficient.

    By the way, Death due to Starvation didn’t even make the top ten list of total global deaths. But I suspect that is because it was Total and not isolated to children. But obviously the total for children would not make the top ten list of total deaths. But starvation might be on the list of “children’s” death.

    As for Chomsky’s claim that the solutions are simple, or that the US is a “miser” when it comes to foreign aid, BOTH are flat out lies. But don’t let that cloud the flowery and emotional rhetoric.

    • Try again, JAC … maybe if I post the video yet again, you’ll UNDERSTAND what he’s saying (you moron) … he isn’t comparing anything, genius … yet playing your strawman game, if you add up deaths of children caused from hunger, et al (including wars, genocides, etc.), you’ll find your abortion numbers pretty weak … but, really, don’t bother … try and watch the video one more time … give it a shot … maybe 100 x’s is the charm 🙂

      • Just A Citizen says:

        I watched it twice Charlie and took notes and then did some research on his claims.

        He does in fact draw a moral equivalency between abortion and children dying due to other causes, due to what he sees as lack of action. Not only does he do this, he dismisses anyone who opposes abortion but does not accept his premise of “social” responsibility to solve these “easily solved” problems as being irrelevant. Sure looks like centralized control of speech and thought to me. Now what political system loves that tactic??

        He also commits a little “Freudian” slip in his beginning of his appeal to emotion.

        “Those are things that ought……….er……….mmmmmmm……..could easily be solved under Social Control”.

        Notice how he choked on “ought” and quickly caught himself and used “could easily”? The word master made a boo boo. Or is that a Honey Boo Boo?

        I just love his fuzzy phrase “Social Control”. Now I wonder HOW any Social group, I assume society, can CONTROL something. And what is it they must CONTROL in order to solve dysentery and malaria? The Social obviously can not control the diseases themselves. So what is left? That’s right …………. you and me.

        Then he plays the strawman; “It should not be controversial to help women and children”. Also the fallacy of false equivalency and appeal to emotion. He is very good at his craft.

        You see there is NO dispute over helping women and children. There is dispute over HOW this should be done. Via THEFT as you and Chomsky wish, or via self help and charity, as I would wish. My solution is long lasting, yours will be gone in a flash and we will have to hear another round of whining about “helping the women and children” next year.

        • “Via THEFT as you and Chomsky wish, or via self help and charity, as I would wish. My solution is long lasting, yours will be gone in a flash and we will have to hear another round of whining about “helping the women and children” next year.”

          Except YOUR the one doing the stealing, JAC … you and your ilk (or those you support) … earning off the backs of workers … who’ve you’ve made slaves with your doomed economic system … and we’ll see who survives, put’ll … if I’m not mistaken, what this racist site is all about is defending liberty based on slavery … and you’re always the ones doing the whining, my friend. A day without a lefty in SUFA is like a nazi speech … one whining diatribe after another … You, G … the women (at least one-the big K) … it’s friggin’ comical my man … and sorry, but I’ll give Chomsky the nod over a clown who can’t see the forrest for the trees (you JAC) … go read up on your Ayn Rand, that should give you a woody for the weeekend … 🙂

    • gmanfortruth says:

      JAC, we are racists, according to the rock from Jersey 🙂 I guess it’s not enough of a ego trip for him to just call me names, now he’s wants to double up and include you. Welcome to the group 🙂

      Charlie, you can call me anything you want, it don’t phase me one bit. I can beat you at your own childish immature game anytime, but I have better things to do than waste my time typing a personal attack that is likely true anyway. But fear not old buddy, I’ll send ya some man diapers so you’ll feel better next time you shit yourself. 🙂

      • Just A Citizen says:

        If you claim you are not going to insult then don’t insult. It is more effective that way.

        😉

      • G, you’re an idiot … I’ll leave it at that. Too dumb to get angry at. Racist because your’e a follower.

        JAC … you’re an immoral racist … and a coward 🙂

        Have a great weekend, the boff a’yous.

  10. Bottom Line says:

  11. I always thought that the anti-abortion fight was too convince people that unborn babies weren’t just cells that could be desroyed at the whim of their mothers-that they are growing, living human beings that deserve the right to life. I never thought I would have to convince people that murder isn’t okay-that was something I thought we ALL already knew.

    • And murder comes in all forms, V.H. … including non-action …

      • I find it extremely disturbing Charlie-that you don’t seem to even realize that you argue against “murder” by what you claim is non action, which is a gross misrepresentation of the truth-there is all kinds of actions and money being spent to help the poor-but you have absolutely no problem with supporting the all out actual Slaughter of millions of babies each year-Murders that you proudly support on the basis of choice.

        So tell me Charlie if it is so much more human to just murder children instead of taking the chance that they may suffer-why should we murder them before they are born-that is just a random killing of people-why not just selectively kill the born who are actually suffering-is it too hard to look them in the face and kill them-so much easier to kill those you can’t see, those who can’t reject your oh so much more human way to murder them.

        • Ah, but you continue to ignore what I’ve stated countless times in the past. I am not pro abortion, V.H. I would prefer to go the Chomsky route of education, etc, so that abortion rates are further diminished … I believe it is in fact murder, but my siding with a woman’s right to choose has EVERYTHING to do with that woman’s choice (including, economics, whether or not she WANTS the child, if she was raped, etc.) … I don’t promote abortion.

          It’s a much more slippery slope than you painted it. And who said it is more human to murder children in any form? I’m missing something here. I have to leave work in a few minutes so I may not get back to you for a while, but I am confused about what you said so I’ll double check.

          • Your confused-give me a break-you are not confused -you support what you deem murder based on choice. Nothing to be confused about here. It is okay to murder children per Charlie.

            • If that makes you feel better, go for it.

              it is okay for people to suffer per V.H.

              That make you feel better? You have yours and screw them, the lazy, commis …

              Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

              • No, it doesn’t make me feel better-but most of us aren’t making the grandious statement that we can somehow stop all suffering in the world and when we do -well then, we’ll no longer have the problem of people murdering the innocent. You live in your dream world, reaming everyone else, because the world isn’t perfect-while supporting the Intentional mass murder of children. You keep telling people too get a pair-well, how about you get a pair and actually admit the truth of your stand-you support murdering children. Saying you don’t promote abortion-what the hell does that even mean. One might well support someones right to do something like drinking without promoting drinking but we’re talking about murder-you support someones RIGHT-THEIR RIGHT to commit murder-isn’t there something about those words that give you pause.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Exactly V. HIs choice to take NO ACTION.

              He has succumb to his own sword.

  12. Just A Citizen says:

    A big hug and shout out to V.H. and Anita this fine Friday. My 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 award to each of you for your THINKING and acting upon it this week.

    V.H. for so quickly identifying the fallacy of False Moral Equivalency, and

    Anita for so quickly recognizing Confirmation Bias when it showed its head.

    Well done ladies. Well done.

  13. “One might well support someones right to do something like drinking without promoting drinking but we’re talking about murder-you support someones RIGHT-THEIR RIGHT to commit murder-isn’t there something about those words that give you pause.”

    Good, Lord, VH … you’re so “EMOTIONAL” … I’m shocked that JAC hasn’t jumped in here to alert you to the folly of your ways …

    Since you want to use an emotion argument, let’s you not forget that while you wave you patriot flag of the greatest country in the world, maybe it’s about time you realize it’s also the most responsible for worldwide terrorism … or do you really think all those crazy Muslims have nothing better to do than fight so your government doesn’t drop bombs on their kids indiscriminately? So come out and say it, VH … you support the murder of children, just so long as they aren’t yours!

    If you support a government that kills, VH … it kind of makes you a killer by proxy, no?
    You’re also against the common good … could that be any more immoral? You aren’t for sharing because why, exactly? It keeps you from doing good? Oh, you’re against the common good, I forgot. So, does that include poor kids dying from drugs, malnutrition (or diseases caused by malnutrition), violence, etc.?

    So, come out and say it (Gman and JAC certainly aren’t afraid to shout it out) … you’re all for killing babies and other innocent people, so long as they aren’t yours.

  14. @VH … by the way, I support a woman’s right to decide because she (not you or me) is the one who has to do the heavy lifting (and her thoughts may well be that a child in her life she isn’t ready for can be worse for all involved (including the child) than if the child was aborted.

    That must be hard for you to comprehend, being so self-righteous, but apparently most women feel the opposite … those evil things.

    • You know Charlie you can continue to throw out all these accusations that you want to-and we can and have discussed all of them. But whether one should or should not support MURDER has nothing to do with any of them.

      • Then let me ask you this, V.H. Do you support abortion in the case of rape? Incest?

        Then I’ll ask if you support the murder of innocents via collateral damage? Or do you think some kid playing in his or her backyard in Iraq who is killed by a bomb aimed allegedly at some military target isn’t a victim of murder?

        • Let me ask you a question instead Charlie-does children dying in a military attack justify murdering a baby in the womb? Does a woman being raped justify murdering a baby in the womb? Does incest justify killing a baby in the womb? Will murdering this baby in the womb stop the child being killed in a military attack? Is the baby born from rape or incest guilty of a crime?

          • I guess you’re just not going to answer, are you?

            I’ll wait for you to respond … until then I’m going to try and find a baby to kill 🙂

      • I wonder why you just keep making excuses for your stance. You call abortion murder-you claim you support abortion, yet when someone points out the bottom line of your stance-that, that means you support murdering babies-you seem upset, you immediately come up with justifications for murder -so if you believe there are justifications for murder-why don’t you just admit that you support murdering babies and these are the reasons why?

        • Trust me, VH, I’m not upset at all. I’m trying to understand that I LOVE MURDERING BABIES … in fact, if I had my way, I’d go and shoot a few tonight …

          Sweet Jesus, can you NEVER get off your self-righteous throne? Are you glued to the seat? Can you at least answer my questions? I already stated I am pro choice … if you need to qualify that as me choosing to murder babies, then fine. I’m all for it.

          Now, on incest, rape? Capital punishment? Collateral damage? Where do you stand on those? Humor me …

          • No, it’s changing the subject so that you can keep prevaricating. You stated abortion was murder-I didn’t put the words into your mouth-I did not say you love murdering babies-I don’t believe you love murdering babies-but your own words show that you support abortion and to you Abortion=Murder. I just don’t understand why you keep denying it.

            Now I’m starting to repeat myself -so I’m done arguing the same point over and over.

        • NO EXCUSE. I LOVE KNOWING ALL THE ABORTIONS ARE GOING ON! GREATEST THING SINCE SLICE BREAD! THERE, DOES THAT SATISFY YOUR SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS?

          Actually, like Chomsky (somebody none of you geniuses in here can grasp), I’m for educating women and society in general so that the number of abortions decrease (as studies prove again and again) … but, yes, if a woman chooses to abort (MURDER) her unborn, child, I’m all for it (not waving penants), but rather sadly so … because she’s the one who has to deal with a life she might not want/be able to raise/support, etc.

  15. I guess VH is all for murdering babies when it’s rape or incest … wow, what a hypocrit.

    My wife is also against abortion but supports a woman’s right to choose. She thinks you’re a self-righteous asshole too 🙂

    • Well, you are both free to think whatever you wish. But I will stand against killing babies in the womb until the day I die-even those produced though rape and incest-did that sound self righteous enough to suit you.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Attacking the ladies again I see. Why do you find it so horrible that others have a different opinion than you that you have to attack them?.. Typical Leftist I guess 🙄

      • Oh, blow it out your ass already.

        🙂

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Charlie, your not even funny anymore. You talk in circles and say nothing. You attack those who disagree with you, but your iseals are in a world that will never exist. You want life to agree with your fictional ideals. The problem is that it will never happen. But that’s OK, you can wish all you want.

          So while you continue your insane rantings and childish attacks, remember, at least you can still do that here in this country, despite all the leftist losers trying to change that. Happy Saturday big Fella, don’t sprain your fingers on that keyboard 🙂

          • I often say I have the mind of an 11 year old … and my wife claims I give myself too much credit … but childish will always top insane … and frankly, G, you’re about as close to insane as I’ve ever encountered …:)

  16. Just A Citizen says:

    Gman

    Here is one for you side of the argument. Interesting, very interesting. Could this whole prosecution come down to 1) Race profiteers and 2) Police revenge???

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/trayvon_george_and_the_homeless_man.html

    • gmanfortruth says:

      JAC, This whole case is a racist witch hunt against anyone other than a black person. If he had killed a Latino under the same circumstances, we wouldn’t even know about it. The media made this a racist issue, mainly NBC. I hope the lawsuit against puts them out of business forever, they deserve that.

      Why is he on trial? Because the media wanted it, namely NBC and CNN. It’s about money, not murder, at the expense of a law abiding citizen who just defended himself. I’ll be nice now and stop typing 🙂 Just for you my friend!

      • “I’ll be nice now and stop typing …”

        Why continue to be a coward, G? Go for it … send in the clowns … use the “N” word … free yourself of your insecurities … you can always pose in front of a mirror with your deer rifle and remind yourself what a real man you are … you can wave your confederate flag and post more pictures of blacks only to insinuate it’s only blacks on welfare … why stop short of being the man you want to be?

        By the way, it’s my birthday … feel free to send more booze my way … I’ll drink to your racism … 🙂

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Happy Birthday!!! 🙂 It always amazes me how those like you manage to live so long. Being ignorant has it’s advantages I guess 🙂 It is said that when 3 people have sex, it’s a threesome, when 2 people have sex, it’s a twosome. I can only wonder why the call you “HANDSOME” 😆

          Just keep in mind that all the verbal diahrea you spew is a direct result of having shit for brains 🙂 You think I’m insane which is also a direct result of your ailment. The race card don’t work anymore, epic fail on your part, but go ahead and continue to live in the past, you are so “out of date” and “out of touch”. I do feel for you.

          But seriously, have a great Birthday. I hope you enjoy some time in celebration 🙂 PEACE Amigo!

        • Happy Birthday Charlie..you miserable ol curmuddgeon!

          (isn’t that what you call yourself on your site?)

  17. gmanfortruth says:

    V.H. Sorry you had to join the club. Now you are a racist just like all of us, ain’t that nice. I am trying to be nice, so I won’t type what I really want to about the coward that said that about you, after all, it was erased last time, no sense in it. 🙂

  18. gmanfortruth says:
  19. gmanfortruth says:

    Obamacare has raised rate over 140% in California. HOORAY for SOCIALISM ! 👿

  20. gmanfortruth says:

    Not a shock here, just what the government is, CORRUPT!

    The Internal Revenue Service has cavalierly ignored a deadline from the Senate Finance Committee to answer detailed questions about the IRS scandal. The questions had been submitted jointly nearly two weeks ago by Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) and Ranking Member Orrin Hatch (R-UT).

    Imagine what would happen to you if you didn’t keep an appointment with the IRS for an audit!

    Perhaps the IRS was busy burning files, deleting e-mails and making some phone call records and meeting minutes go away.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/05/irs-ignores-senate-deadline-to-answer-questions-about-targeting-scandal-2654598.html

  21. gmanfortruth says:

    http://visiontoamerica.com/13821/clinton-blames-bush-for-benghazi-disaster/

    This of course should shock no one. Why is it that those on the Left contiually shirk resposibility?

  22. gmanfortruth says:
  23. gmanfortruth says:

    • Just A Citizen says:

      A good question would have been whether they think Govt should own the newspapers.

      If not, then why are they demonstrating against a PRIVATE transaction?

      You were right…… hilarious.

  24. Gotta say, I haven’t been looking at this site for a while, but it looks like it has degenerated into rather vicious name calling. Especially Charlie.

    Sayonara, SUFA. I will try to remember you as you once were…

    • Bottom Line says:

      That’s just Charlie and Gman flirting, …male bonding and such.

      Stick around. It’s not over yet. One day, SUFA is liable to play a very important role in the New World Order. In a matter of speaking, it already has.

      • I like BL … why? Because he likes classical music …

        He probably enjoys foreign films too … Check out The Intouchables, BL … funny, poignant and absolutely uplifting …

        As for SUFA playing a role in the New World Order … yes, it has … it’s something the left (even the fugazy left (democrats) but especially the real left (socialists) can point to so others know the enemy … it’s too often what Bill Maher describes in the video below … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNzCI_oeCJw

    • JB,

      I understand how you feel. I sometimes think they are trying to cause SUFA to shut down by being so negative and attacking the individual instead of discussing what they have said. I think it was RAH that said, “if you don’t understand what a man is saying, ask him to explain”.
      The opposite is that SaulAlinski model whereby anything we say can & will be used against us. Petty fights follow and the topic is lost. Many of us find other things to occupy our time.
      I am not posting or writing as much. Some may be because of the negative tone. I have other interests and commitments as well. Work, family, church this morning & 4H this afternoon. But I have not given up. If I stop coming here and/or writing, I would feel like Charlie & Todd had won, that they made me give up my voice. And isn’t that what SUFA is about, being a voice that speaks out where so many are trying to shout down any comments they don’t want discussed?

      I have a new article I’ll publish tonight or in the morning. Hope Black Flag checks in, have a for him, head exploding thought….

      • “And isn’t that what SUFA is about, being a voice that speaks out where so many are trying to shout down any comments they don’t want discussed?”

        That, my friend, is EXACTLY what happens here … 🙂

        • Yes Charlie, and you Sir are the problem, as I have pointed out many times. I can play your silly game so the rest can actually debate. Slapping you around at your own game is entertaining 🙂

          As for JB, I understand, Charlie’s game has grown really old, but that’s him, what’s that saying, “can’t fix st……” you know it 🙂

          • And what’s best about all this, G? You actually believe (I think) what you type … “you have pointed out many times” … slapping you around … , etc. You’re a BF wannabe … a ruler of your own little bubble. La comedia ain’t finito yet, brother … every time you post it lives on …

        • Charlie, or Mr. Foghorn,

          Reflect on some of our past discussion. I wrote an article on how Native Americans are being treated and offered a partial solution, give them some of the millions of acres of land now owned by the federal government. You wouldn’t stop about how they were treated in the past and slavery, etc… I can’t offer any suggestions on fixing the past. I’m not a time traveler. I can learn from the past and try to avoid making some of the same mistakes, but am still confined to dealing with the present and maybe look toward the future.

          ““And isn’t that what SUFA is about, being a voice that speaks out where so many are trying to shout down any comments they don’t want discussed?””

          If I may offer a sugestion? Man up! Anything you want to discuss, write an article and take what comes. If I write an article, spend time doing research on topics, I expect to be respected for the effort. By respect I mean given serious consideration, not agreement. To do the work and then be ignored means I did a poor job writing/researching, the topic is not interesting to some or all, or as seems to frequently be with you, it’s just a target for you to throw insults or to sidetrack and prevent discussion.

          You keep touting socialism but denounce Obama…put on your big girl panties and explain to us how and why you vision would work better than what we have today. Consider Black Flag has done this, put himself out there & explained his liberitarian vision. I did not agree with him, but had respectful discussions on why I could not buy in….

  25. Bottom Line says:

  26. “Who’s your favorite founding father?” Glenn Beck asks Sarah Palin.

    “Well, uh, all of them …” (“because I don’t know who they are by their names!”)

    • “and not say what they think the people want to hear to get elected” … like I was against that bridge to nowhere … ha, ha, ha, ha …. 🙂

    • Sorry Charlie, but she’s not a public servant or anything. It doesn’t matter what she might want to do since she doesn’t hold any office where laws, spending and those budgety things get passed, you know, like this shining light…

      • She was the Queen of the tea baggers (still is to some) … and I miss her sooooo much. 🙂 Thank God there’s SUFA to take her place from time to time.

  27. Over here with your Atlas Shrugged … 🙂

    • Bottom Line says:

      I agree, Taylor Schilling is indeed ‘easy on the eyes’.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Such a typical STRAW MAN argument.

      This dweeb no more understands Objectivism than you Charlie.

      When I saw that “shitty, boring” movie the audience cheered at the end.

      • “When I saw that “shitty, boring” movie the audience cheered at the end.”

        You watch it in your basement?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          No! At one of the biggest theaters in Beaverton, OR. Holds close to 200 people. It was packed. As was the second chapter.

          Why do you continue to rip on Rand and her theories when you have spent ZERO time trying to read or study her work? You say you read Atlas Shrugged but that is not the summation of her work nor is it a complete picture.

          I criticize Noam Chomsky Charlie because I have actually taken the time to read many of his writings and then try to figure out how it fits the real world.

          You do this just to poke and prod because you get some kick out of it. But it adds NOTHING to debates or effort to learn. I once called you a bully. It seems to me that title is valid given that this type of behavior is really the same. Just poking, prodding and ridiculing. Calling names and threatening people.

          What’s the difference, really? I see none.

          • Oh, it’s me who threatens people with bikers in my area? Very rational there, JAC … maybe you’re confusing me with someone.

            I’ve read two of Rand’s novels and some of her essays … I’ve watched videos of HER … she is nothing more than a social darwinist in my view … and the fact she went on social security, etc., proves her just another fugazy (fake) prophet. You take issue with my refusal to accept Rand (or your) world view … so you “tell me” what I think, what I am, etc. … that’s really your flaw, JAC, not mine. And I won’t get into the name calling that goes on here against lefties (in actual posts, never mind personal attacks) … but that is accepted because we are, after all, “debating” in the bubble (SUFA) … I’m not a bully at all, JAC … maybe you’re a bit insecure and can come up with nothing better … someone like you (or G) says something very offensive (to most human beings–not just the 6 or 8 or 10 wingies who visit this site daily) … and when a response is returned (usually very accurate–whether it’s would you say it to someone’s face and/or use your real names) … that is verbotten … how dare we … sorry, JAC, I don’t mind debating at all … but you have to be kidding yourself to think that’s what goes on here … it’s a wingnut site … and it doesn’t appreciate a different point of view … you attack with equal fervor … but because you’re doing it (collectively), you see it as something else (defense?) perhaps … you believe my philosphy is immoral. I feel the same way about yours (make no mistake) … it’s probably best to accept that up front and then debate, rather than call people evil and immoral, etc. … no?

            • Just A Citizen says:

              It is your ethics that are immoral and evil. It is up to you to change that, not me.

              I can explain it but in the end it is your choice.

              • See what I mean?

                I think it is YOUR ethics that are immoral and evil … and it is up to you to change that, not me.

                I won’t explain it … it’s been explained to the point of no return. The encouragement I have is that most people are veering my way rather than yours … so in the immortal words of my grandpa when he choked from smoking and would cough a few times, “It won’ta be longa’ now …”

            • Just A Citizen says:

              You are right Charlie. Further discussion is pointless. Which makes me wonder why you keep coming here to slap people with your insults.

              There is nothing to discuss with someone who views a man who works for another as being a SLAVE. Those two are so far removed morally and ethically it is absolutely insane to equate them. Yet that is your view of the world.

              So yes, there is nothing to discuss or debate.

              • Once again your turn to my “slapping people with insults” while neglecting your own “slapping” … that must be very convenient, JAC, to have such selective memory (although you do that almost always with your “debating” skills) …

                There is nothing to discuss with someone who views a man holding the power of economic life over another while benefiting from that man’s labor, as anything more than a slaveowner.

  28. A Lesbian Couple Walks into a Muslim Bakery…
    Jack Kemp

    There is a story on TheBlaze about a refusal by Christian owners of a Portland, Oregon bakery to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple. The article states:

    In February, Aaron and Melissa Klein, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, an Oregon-based bakery, found themselves at the center of a media firestorm after refusing to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple’s ceremony. Nearly four months later, the small business continues to receive threatening and harassing phone calls and e-mails, as they grapple with the ongoing fall-out from their controversial decision…

    From claims that Aaron should be shot to one apparent threat that he be raped, the hate and angst being thrown the Klein family’s way is certainly serious in nature. Some have even wished for the couple’s five children to be stricken with illness.

    There was also was what appears to be an improperly filed complaint with the Oregon Dept. of Justice which, for now, has not advanced through the legal system.

    After reading this, I recalled a photo I saw as a child of an Arab bakery on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, New York. In a cursory search of the internet, I found a halal market just west of Portland in Beaverton, but no specific bakery listed.

    One might ask whether this lesbian couple have gone to the halal market to order meat for their wedding party and inquire about getting that wedding cake with two bride figures on top.

    Still, the question exists for other gays across the U.S., angry at this Christian-owned bakery practicing its First Amendment rights: why haven’t other gays and lesbians wanting a wedding cake walked into Muslim-owned bakeries and attempted to place an order? Why are all the big, brave activists who find it easy to send the Kleins in Oregon insulting and menacing e-mails all of a sudden “champions of religious freedom and diversity” when it comes to Muslim-owned bakeries across the country? The obvious answer is that such a request would lead to an argument, if not a physical confrontation.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/06/a_lesbian_couple_walks_into_a_muslim_bakery.html#ixzz2V6wOa1w6

    • gmanfortruth says:

      LOI, Publish your article when you are ready. There is alot I can add to this story 🙂

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