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Have a busy weekend starting.  All family time.  And a friendly shout out to the poor smuck at the NSA having to read this.  You can tell Obama I don’t like him.  It’s not because he’s black.  It’s because we have different values.  You guys are supposed to be spying on our nations enemies, not his political opponents and average Americans.. So Mr/Ms NSA, if you have a conscience, it must suck to be you right now!

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  1. June 8, 2013
    If I Were a Verizon Customer
    Scott Mayer

    The quantity of Obama Administration scandals just keep growing and growing. And one of the latest, as reported by the Guardian, is but one more ‘molehill’ of evidence to be added to the mountain that is beginning to prove Orwell a true visionary.

    The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America’s largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

    The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an “ongoing, daily basis” to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.

    The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

    I could further analyze the ongoing, rapid erosion of all Americans’ — not just conservatives — civil liberties under the Obama Administration. But instead, I have some thoughts in relation to the costs associated with this particular scandal.

    As a business owner, I understand that all of my costs of doing business must somehow be passed along to my paying customers; otherwise I won’t stay (or want) to be in business for very long.

    So what are the costs incurred by Verizon as a direct result of being ordered to turn over this information to the NSA on an “ongoing and daily basis” and how does this ultimately affect the prices Verizon customers pay?

    If I were a Verizon customer, learning that my wireless provider was enabling the government to trample on my Constitutional rights would be bad enough. But being forced to pay (in addition to what I already pay to government) to have the government spy on me would bring my anger to a whole new plateau.

    Verizon customers (and non-Obamaphone customers of any company doing the same) should start asking questions and demand a refund, no matter how small, if any costs were passed on to them as a result of this NSA mandate. Perhaps having the bottom line affected would cause Verizon — as well as other companies — to think twice before throwing their customers under the proverbial Obama bus, and put up a fight, or at least make a little noise the next time they receive a liberty destroying “order” from the federal government.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/06/if_i_were_a_verizon_customer.html#ixzz2VdHQxyDc

    • This is the government that when given solid information by the Russians that we had a possible terrorist in our midst but chose instead of monitoring him to monitor the 99.999%. This is the government that promises not to hit the save key when background checks are made to buy guns and now ammunition in CA. This is the government that now has all your health records in their database. This is the government that collects all financial transactions from the banks and card companies.

      Remember, if you have any grocery, drugstore, autoparts, etc. store discount cards, they are collecting a buying database on you. Amazon and others record everything you buy on line. Google, Facebook, etc, record the sites you visit while logged in. Does the government go after these records next?

      50 years ago we had one J. Edgar Hoover collecting info, now we have thousands. None of it is safe. Just ask Joe the Plumber or the groups recently targeted by the IRS. This information will be used against us despite the 5th amendment.

      • It is being used against us. About a month ago, a HS coach was arrested near here for viewing child porn. He admitted to watching teen sex on his home computer five-six times since January and that appears to be what he is being charged with. No attempts to contact anybody for sex. No attempts to share/distribute porn. My question is did he know they were minors or thought his actions were legal. And the kicker, when arrested at his home, three law enforcment agencies were present, the local county, the state police and HomeLandSecurity.

  2. Bottom Line says:

    Not only can your phone be used to tap conversations and texts, but it can be used to track your network of people, and your location, ..and the microphone can be used as a bugging device to eavesdrop on your conversations when not in use.

    I either do not own a phone or don’t use it very often, and always leave the battery out when not in use. I also don’t carry phones around much.

    Electronic communication/social media is a spy tool.

    If you’re in the position to know something they think is interesting, you’ll be on a list, and every bit of your electronic communications will be monitored and recorded.

    If you suspect you’re being spied on, throw as much chaotic bullshit at them as you can. Constantly contradict yourself. Obfuscate. Say and do anything and everything that will aggravate and/or confuse them.

    Everything starts with choice, thus they won’t know what you’re really thinking, ..what you may do. It makes you somewhat difficult to keep up with.

  3. Bottom Line says:
    • Bottom Line says:
      • You’re setting us up BL. Download the files and you go on a list!. I did download one but couldn’t open it because I’m not set up with Microsoft Office. Good! I know more than anyone should have to know as it is. I dropped Verizon about 4 years ago, I’m an alias on FB. don’t mess with that much anyway, but everyone is hit with Google. SMH!

        That’s OK! They’re going after LOI anyway since he dissed them in the article. 😉

        • Bottom Line says:

          I don’t think it is necessarily a ‘spy on everybody’ kinda thing, but I can see where you may be spied on for direct or indirect reasons, whether you are, or are not, of suspect.

          I suppose they could just record everything, and go scan through it later if need be, searching for key references and terms and such. But it is probably more directed than that. It just depends on the circumstances of drawing attention.

          For example: You are a journalist for a major media establishment and you are traveling to a foreign land to interview someone of particular interest and of significant influence.

          Because you are working on the story, doing research, communicating with others, etc etc… you can be used as an unwitting spy. They just simply monitor and record everything you do. They can gather a lot of useful information that way.

          Whether it is justified or not, whether they care or not about the affairs or shady business deals or whatever, it isn’t really their business what you do anyway, …you are still being violated.

          If everyone knows and it all goes public, they have a hard time trying to track it all. The best they can do for themselves is to do damage control, clean up. It puts them in a defensive posture. Once the information is out, that’s it. There is no taking it back. So what if you are talking about it? Everyone is. It is as much the conversation as things like American Idle or the next school massacre.

        • I’m ready for them! Charge me & take me to court Mr. Holder. I have researched & prepared a foolproof defense. I willl plead insanity. I will state & show the government is insane by it’s actions and therefore it’s charges against me must be dismissed.(no steals)

  4. I really don’t have anything to hide as far as their pathetic spying goes, but none the less, what I do is none of their business. The Federal govet has certainly lost their way as to their role in our society. I believe it is time to remove and replace them, with some more rules that limit or end their power over the people. Sadly, many people will suffer and die before enough people realize this. Bummer 😦

    • In Hampton Va, the traffic is insane. I left here 19 years ago and it is much worse. I do not like cities, nothing but a death trap if you ask me.

    • Sure looks the part, like he has burned his bridges. He/this could all be legit. At this time, I do think it possible & believe his story. Hope he can stand the scrunity and doesn’t turn out to be a comic book clerk or something…..

  5. Bottom Line says:

    NSA whistleblower revealed as Edward Snowden, 29-year-old ex-CIA employee

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/snowden-nsa-leak-whistleblower-cia-204241311.html

    “I don’t want to live in a society that does these sort of things,” Snowden said. “I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under … I can’t in good conscience allow the U.S. government to destroy privacy, Internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they’re secretly building.”

  6. Bottom Line says:
  7. Comedian Steve Martin: ‘Wearing My NSA Spy-Phone Helmet as I Bike By the UN’

    Comedian Steve Martin stepped into the political ring this weekend tweeting numerous comments about the newest scandal facing the White House.

    His most recent one reads, “Wearing my NSA spy-phone helmet as I bike by the UN is the definition of cacophony”:

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/06/09/comedian-steve-martin-wearing-my-nsa-spy-phone-helmet-i-bike-un#ixzz2VoiPJm6a

  8. une 10, 2013
    Edward Snowden: Hero? Or Traitor?
    Rick Moran

    You’ve probably heard by now that the man responsible for the NSA leaks of surveillance programs is a 29-year old high school dropout who was a contract worker for the NSA, Edward Snowden.

    Snowden is being lionized by both left and right — at least, those who are reacting emotionally to his revelations. They are, indeed, serious and dangerous. The potential to make the US a police state is great, as is a loss of any sense of privacy for the individual.

    The potential is also there to head off terrorist attacks. And revealing these surveillance programs almost certainly gives terrorists who are paying attention a means to avoid detection.

    But Snowden insists he did nothing wrong:

    The man behind the largest leak of classified information in the history of the US National Security Agency (NSA) has chosen to make his identity public, despite the potential consequences for himself and his loved ones. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old employee of defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton and former CIA technical assistant, said he had never intended to remain anonymous. “I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong,” he said.

    The revelation of Snowden’s identity came after the US Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, said on Sunday that he had asked the Justice Department to launch a criminal investigation into the leaks, telling NBC News, “It is literally gut-wrenching to see this happening, because of the huge grave damage it does to our intelligence capabilities… this is a key tool for preserving protecting the nation’s safety and security.”

    Snowden’s revelations, which he leaked initially to Guardian columnist Glenn Greenwald, included the existence of a growing NSA stockpile of millions of phone records from the US public. According to the top secret documents, the Agency’s PRISM programme also gives it “direct access” to files from the servers of major tech companies such as Google and Facebook. This vast data mining operation is supposedly designed to anticipate and prevent terror plots.

    Yes, Mr. Snowden, you have done something wrong, as I pointed out in a Tatler post yesterday:

    Is this really a whistleblower? Snowden swears he doesn’t think he did anything wrong. Well, that’s a bunch of hooey. Breaking the law is wrong. Breaking your oath of secrecy is wrong. Breaking the trust of your employer is wrong. If he really believed he did nothing wrong, he’d come back to the states voluntarily and see if a jury of his peers agreed with him.

    They won’t. They’ll throw him in jail for the rest of his life. This is someone who obviously believes the ends justifies the means — a curious position to take since the CIA and NSA make the same claim all the time. We may hate and fear the surveillance programs, but when you get right down to it, they’re legal — at least as far as the law stands now. The correct remedy is to change the law. How could we change the law if we didn’t know the extent of the surveillance?

    I’ll get back to you on that.

    I don’t know the answer to that last question. If the question is should Snowden have leaked such closely held secrets, I would reluctantly answer “yes.” But if you are going to deliberately break the law in a civil society, you must be prepared to accept the consequences. Snowden ran away from those consequences. That does not make him a hero in my book. It makes him a criminal. Why didn’t Snowden leak the information and then turn himself in? That would have been heroic. Instead, despite his protestations that he doesn’t want the story to be about him, he comes off as a glory hound, an attention getter.

    If you belive the ends justifies the means, then the rule of law is meaningless. We’ve had administrations in the past use that excuse, as well as intelligence agencies and the military. Whatever good we think may flow from his criminal acts, we cannot justify them or applaud them – especially since we don’t know if these revelations will prove to be catastrophic in the sense that they might facilitate a terrorist attack that may otherwise have been thwarted.

    No easy answers. And the questions raised by Snowden’s actions aren’t a cakewalk either. But what’s done is done – whatever his reasons and motivations. Let the law deal with Snowden while we debate what he has revealed and try to salvage a proper balance between surveillance and privacy.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/06/edward_snowden_hero_or_traitor.html#ixzz2VonagdD8

  9. Most, if not, all of you will not agree with me on this….Snowden is no hero. As a person who is trusted with classified information and understands the law in divulging same……..this man needs to go to jail. This is above and beyond the “whistle blower” issue…..this man has offered no proof that the information obtained has resulted in anything other than…classifying data. He allowed classified information to be compromised and he should pay the price.

    Snowden is not a traitor……he is a law breaker. He needs to make little rocks out of big ones in Fort Leavenworth where hard labor is still alive and well.

    Now before everyone has a heart attack….I disagreed with the Patriot Act in the beginning and I disagree with it now, The issue at heart is not whether or not the collected data is being used illegally…the issue is whether or not this man broke the law. Breaking the law to divulge a law breaker is negating the rule of law.

    Elect the proper Senators and Representatives to over turn this law and disable the NSA in this instance.

    Ok….I am ready. Let me have it.

  10. At this point, I don’t know what to say anymore-I just know that people continuing to say that all this stuff is legal-Just makes me really angry. I remember feeling conflicted about the Patriot Act but I don’t remember it being presented as authorizing anything close to what they are doing. So it’s legal doesn’t fly as far as I’m concerned. Lots of people on both sides of the aisle need to go to jail.

  11. Yep! I’m not worried about ammo shortages – I’ve got the goods on me at all times!!

    http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Police-Man-Stabbed-to-Death-With-Stiletto-Heel-210799411.html

  12. A couple of good articles on Legal Insurrection re NSA. This is the first; the second is right below it.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/former-nsa-employee-leaked-surveillance-details-prior-to-snowden/

  13. Well, folks……allow me to say….I do not care for the data mining myself……but almost everybody was behind the Patriot Act except those of us who knew where it was headed. BUT….there are other avenues that Snowden could have taken if he was generally interested in security. Those avenues are there outside the administration flunkies. Since there was only a statement that the data was being mined, and no smoking guns as to any abuse so far……it appears on the surface that this individual wanted his 15 minutes of fame and book and/or movie rights. I do not think that he will be back to the United States. I think that he will be granted political asylum….perhaps China. He might get some lavish lifestyle until his information dries up and then he disappears,

    Does D13 like data mining….no.
    Does D13 think that the system can be abused……yes.
    Does D13 think that information has been given to the Obama Administration and the IRS as well as Homeland Security to be used to target individuals and groups for political purposes……yes.
    Does D13 favor a police state…..no.

    Is Snowden a law breaker……yes.
    Should he be pardoned……no.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      d13

      Good morning Sir. Hope all is well in Texas.

      Whether one breaks the law or not has nothing to do with whether they are a HERO or acted in a heroic fashion.

      This fellow appears to be acting heroically in the beginning. Time will tell whether that is true or not. I would say a little less heroic to run off to China rather than come home and face the music.

      Although, UNCLE could certainly bury him here in ways that would hide the truth but destroy him and his family.

      It appears he broke the law. Given that LAWS are the product of Govt, it is obvious that Govt gets to determine that anyone blowing the whistle on its activities is “illegal”. Lets think back to the Church Committee and its sources, and findings.

      As for the “pardon” I reserve my final opinion on that. If it turns out he did in fact shed light on an abuse of the power granted then perhaps a pardon would be in order.

      I do have one comment on something that has been ignored so far. That is the supposed outcry by other nations over this revelation. One thought………BULLSHIT. As if they had no clue this was going on. As if some of them haven’t participated or benefited from this.

      Was in Boise this past weekend. You would have needed your parka as it only got up to 96.

      • Agreed on the pardon issue…as it stands now….there is no pardon.

        Every country in the world that has internet access has data mined….everyone should know this. I have always laughed at my friends that are on social networking claiming that it is private until you say otherwise. There is nothing private or encrypted any longer that cannot be read. NOTHING. But you cannot convince people of this and they just pump out personal information like gangbusters. Sigh……..When Al Gore invented the internet you would have thought he put in security safeguards.

        96….bearable without parkas….however, I would think that Boise would have been suffering some.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          d13

          Nah, pretty typical early June for Boise.

          Before Climate Change it could get in the 90s and stay there until August, when it gets to 100 plus.

          They are hurting for water this year though. The rivers have already peaked, 2-3 weeks ahead of time.

          This whole electronic surveillance stuff is freakishly close to this TV show we watch called Person of Interest. Basically the same thing that was revealed in the past couple weeks regarding the NSA.

          After we eliminate the Patriot Act how bout we do the same for the NSA itself?

    • Does CAPTAIN CANNOLI like data mining…. Not particularly.
      Does CAPTAIN CANNOLI think that the system can be abused……of course
      Does CAPTAIN CANNOLI think that information has been given to the Obama Administration and the IRS as well as Homeland Security to be used to target individuals and groups for political purposes……Of course, as it was under GW (and probably every president with the capability befor him)
      Does CAPTAIN CANNOLI favor a police state….. No, but I never kidded myself about the US&A not being one … (see native American and African-Americans for a more formal discussion).

      Is Snowden a law breaker……yes.
      Should he be pardoned…… Yes, and he should be given the medal of honor.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      V.H.

      Different data bases. Looks to me like Breitbart folks are guilty of a little bad “association distortion” here.

      I have wondered, however, whether the Election data base violated any State or Federal privacy laws. Doubt we will ever know.

      • I have no doubt laws were broken, posted articles on here pointing out exactly that before. As far as the data bases being different-maybe, but I was pointing out the attitude, the intent, and the obvious pride all their BS acts bring them.

  14. Rode in my first bike event on Saturday. Looks like the Trek100 that I participated in was a little boring compared to this one:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/10108775/Thousands-of-Mexican-cyclists-ride-naked.html

    • Looks like a great event. How many miles did you go? 26 is my longest ride so far and I’m not sure I could do more due to saddle sores!!! And riding naked? That would be a short ride for sure.

  15. One thing I do find odd about the Snowden guy – he’s only 29 years old, has a GED, and he already had access to that much secure info?? He is impressive in the one video I saw of him, but I would think it would take years of experience in progressively “deeper” positions to have this much access. Guess we’ll see if he is legit or not.

    • OK – I don’t have any idea of this journo Greenwald’s (who broke the story) credentials and understanding of things, but he makes some very valid points. Listen through to the second time he comes in and talks about how the government has pushed back and not given standing to anyone that has tried to challenge and downscale this program. Because it is all “secret” just how can we know about it and attempt to change it if we don’t have the Snowden’s of the world first let us know about it?

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/06/10/greenwald_to_mika_brzezinski_your_white_house_talking_points_are_misleading_and_false.html

      • Last one, I promise!

        What these congress peeps don’t seem to understand is that their arguments FOR these programs are so weak, just in light of recent events:

        1. Feinstein says many are overseeing this, including DOJ. Really? Fast & Furious, Black Panthers, James Rosen, etc. etc. You really think I’m good with it because the DOJ is one party overseeing it?

        2. Boston Bombers – we had how much data on these guys and how’d that work out? We can’t even get it right when we have a ton of info and warnings from other countries.

        3. Rogers yaps on and on, about how it would be illegal to actually listen to or read the information. IRS much?

        When info coming from people that have zero credibility, it’s pretty hard to see the other side.

        http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/06/09/gop_rep_mike_rogers_greenwald_doesnt_have_a_clue_how_this_thing_works.html

  16. State Department memo reveals manipulated investigations

    In order to avoid scandal, the State Department allegedly altered or dismissed investigations into illegal behavior of multiple government officials worldwide, including the sexual exploits of an American ambassador, CBS reported Monday.

    A memo obtained by CBS from the State Department inspector general identified eight separate cases of illegal behavior where investigations were manipulated or called off.

    In one case, a cover-up saved the career of a US ambassador in a sensitive diplomatic post believed to be propositioning prostitutes. According to a memo from the inspector general’s 2011 investigation, the ambassador “routinely ditched his protective security detail” in order to “solicit sexual favors from prostitutes” in a park.

    According to CBS sources, he flew to Washington to meet with Undersecretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy, but afterwards returned to his post.

    In Baghdad, an “underground drug ring” allegedly supplied drugs to State Department security contractors. In Beirut, members of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s former security detail “engaged prostitutes while on official trips in foreign countries.”

    Cases like these are generally investigated by the Diplomatic Security Service, the State Department’s internal security force. Instead, according to DSS agents investigated by the inspector general, higher-ups told them to back off.

    Retired DSS agent Mike Pohelitz told CBS that he was told to stop investigating one of the cases mentioned in the memo through his DSS channel. He believes that these orders likely came from someone higher than the DSS.

    Aurelia Fedenisn, a former inspector general agent, was part of a team that prepared a report on the on-going interferences. When shown a draft of the report, Fedenisn said one State Department official told her “this is going to kill us.” In the final version of the report, citations of specific examples were removed.

    Fedenisn told CBS “my heart really went out to the agents in that office, because they really want to do the right thing, they want to investigate the cases fully, correctly, accurately … and they can’t.”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/10/state-department-memo-reveals-manipulated-investigations/#ixzz2VqHI30ie

  17. As I near the end of my journey to Virginia, I’m in Ohio now and heading home tomorrow morning, I’ll throw my two little pennies in on the data mining issue.

    This is no surprise to me that the government is doing this at all. My only discussions about anything politics is here on SUFA, never on the phone or in many emails. I doubt they would consider me a threat anyway, too old with too many aches and pains, LOL. 🙂

    I do however believe that the govt has overstepped their purpose in our lives. They have no business collecting any data about anyone without an appropriate warrant.

    AMENDMENT IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    I don’t care what law the govt passed to allow their actions, to me it violates our basic constitutional rights and people should be screaming and raising hell over this.

    But, the sheeple are mostly silent. Nothing will come of this and the sheeple will accept this illegal government intrusion into their lives. We are in a police state, it will get worse. Too bad there are so many sheeple, they are the vast majority, those of us who just want our freedom and liberty are way out numbered by the ignorant. What a shame 😦

  18. Just A Citizen says:

    I heard some comments by Snowden this afternoon regarding the NSA data.

    I have to agree with either V.H. or Kathy, maybe both, on this.

    I am not sure what SECRETS he gave up. It was NOT a secret that NSA was collecting phone calls. I don’t know who let that out but I have heard it before.

    What I got out of Snowden’s comments was more about his access, which is available to anyone with similar clearance and thus a WARNING about how the whole thing can be abused.

    He is talking about the potential for abuse and how easy it would be. Whether by a rogue individual or a corrupt President or other “official”.

    I may not have heard all his comments. But I found it interesting that people were reacting to the comments I did hear with accusations of giving up secrets. When there did not appear to be any secrets revealed. Other than maybe his personal clearance.

    Will have to look into this some more I guess. Just wanted to share my reaction to some of what I heard so far.

    • Power is always abused. Does not matter who is in charge, just listen to Peter King from Long Island. This so called “conservative Republican” never met a law that increased the governments reach that he didn’t like. Gun control? Forget about it, he’d ban everything tomorrow if he could.

      My 21 years in government service taught me one thing. Government grows and grows and grows. I started in a nice straightforward little program and fifteen years later you could not recognize it. We still were able to perform but that was only because, we were able to work around the system (and smarter than the bosses). .

      Every new administrator or assistant administrator or deputy administrator hired had to “add” something partially to leave his imprint but mostly because he wanted to slowwww everything down just in case something might go wrong. It is professional death to have something go wrong on your watch. Better to do nothing.

  19. Bottom Line says:

    What is the basis of civilization? What is it premised upon?

    Answer: Universal and/or mutual gain, benefit.

    Look around. Is this what you see?

    No

    Why?

    Because people demand a civilization that is predicated upon coercion and violence.

    Why?

    Because too many people are either too stupid selfish or evil to get along.

    A forced edict that is about anything other than common defense is not mutually beneficial, therefore not inline with the premise of civilization.

    What we live with is a complete antithesis of an efficient free peaceful happy existence on this planet.

    If we don’t figure it out, we’re eventually doomed. History of ‘civilization’ and human nature suggests that we’re not going to figure it out. Thus we’re doomed.

    I look at things like this or that scandal, election, social issue, and I sigh. It’s petty bullshit in relation to the big picture of where we are and where we are going to as a species.

    People missed the point a long time ago. No wonder we are so screwed.

    Where’s the reset button?

    Is there a way for humanity to live without destroying things? ..or everything?

    Is the world not sick of the BS yet? Do people like enslavement?

    Do you like being spied on, ripped off, lied to, told how to live, and forced to deal with wars that no one cares about but national governments and rulers?

    Wake up.

    ..or why not just put Charlie in charge. He’ll chip you so you don’t have to worry about how to raise your kids.

    • But at least we’ll have classical music, BL 🙂

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Despite your dark view the fact is that the world does run on mutual gain and benefit.

      Corruption exists and probably always will.

      However, the rot of corruption is not demanded by the vast majority of people. The people will, however, become corrupt if they view their leaders or the powers to be as corrupt.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        The people will, however, become corrupt if they view their leaders or the powers to be as corrupt.

        In most cases, I would agree. Many people are clueless, which only helps the corrupt. Our govt is long over the corruption cliff and there is no return. Is it fixable, I doubt it, at least not without a 2nd Revolution. Time will will tell my friend, time will tell. Keep your powder dry 🙂

        • Just A Citizen says:

          GMan

          I don’t see a Revolution coming, I see a Civil War.

          And that is why we should AVOID a war of any kind right now.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      BL, Most people have no clue what’s going on. Mention about the NSA spying, most will say “so what, it won’t hurt me”. I was down in Hampton Va over the weekend. The traffic alone would make it a deathtrap if it ever had to be evacuated for some reason. Things are much the same as in any city, blacks killing blacks, whites beating up their spouse’s, and a clueless media who just don’t care. None of them care what is happening in DC. They won’t till it actually affects them, which by then will be far to late. Glad I don’t live on the coast anywhere 🙄

  20. Here we go! Kids can’t take Ibuprofen in school without parental consent. Adults have to show ID at pharmacy to get Sudefed, but any age girl can get a morning after pill with no oversight. It’s all in the name of women’s health, you know. What a fricken’ screwed up country this is.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/11/plan-b-morning-after-pill?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-3%20Main%20trailblock:Network%20front%20-%20main%20trailblock:Position1

  21. Just A Citizen says:

    Supposedly the DHS purchase of massive quantities of ammo has been debunked.

    http://news.msn.com/rumors/rumor-us-stockpiling-ammunition-for-use-in-civil-unrest

    • gmanfortruth says:

      We wouldn’t want those who follow the MSM to believe that the DHS is preparing for war against them, now would we. The whole thing is a conspiracy theory and should be ignored.

  22. Just A Citizen says:

    A thought I had last night and one I posted on Huff Po earlier. Re: The NSA spying, data mining, etc, etc, etc..

    “What allows the enablers to confuse and distract us over these types of stories is their ability to sell a false premise to the American Public.

    This was done years ago yet only a few noticed or complained. It is the notion that it is the proper and necessary role of the Fed Govt to PROTECT us.

    That is NOT the proper function of Govt. It is to protect our RIGHTS.

    Once you allow the premise to change from rights to safety, you have unwittingly authorized a totalitarian state. Your only protection then lies in the good will of those in power.”

  23. Just A Citizen says:
  24. Nope, it has nothing to do with institutional racism … sure, it doesn’t …

    http://www.salon.com/2013/06/11/stand_your_ground_law_helps_white_defendants_a_lot_more_than_black_ones/

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Doesn’t even come close to INSTITUTIONAL racism, or institutional anything.

      What were the charges against the wife?

      Notice they cite stats claiming more people get jailed for killing white people but the guy who got off, killed a white person. And the lady who got jailed was Black.

      If there is racism here it is in the JURY pool not in the Institution of the Courts or in the words of the Law. Those would be INSITUTIONS.

      • Oh, so it was the jury who made the law? That’s an interesting (and logical/rational?) way to look at it, JAC … 🙂

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Charlie, the law itself should never have been thought of. It is everyone’s right to protect themselves, with deadly force if needed, against an attacker. While we have a SYG law here in Pa, I don’t think it really matters. Most people have no idea what the laws are outside of the major ones. Had it not been for the attempted lynching of Zimmerman by the race pimps in Florida, I would not know it existed here in Pa.

          With that said, I’m not so sure the law is the problem (although all of them are problems to me). We have way to many stupid laws to begin with. It should not take some law for someone to defend themselves when under attack. My belief is simple: If your dumb enough to attack, threaten, steal, etc from a stranger, then stranger (victim) should shoot you, weather a kill shot or not should never matter. No law required. The race part is bullshit and accurate. It is bullshit to call it racist, and accurate because those who attack others and get popped are statistically black. Facts are what they are. 🙂

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Charlie

          The LAW is not racist. The LAW does not discriminate.

          There is NO Institutional Racism in this example.

          So YES, it is a logical and rational way to look at it.

          • The law was created by racists … so YES, there is institutional racism alive and well in America.

            So, tell me, since I wasted many valuable hours trying to swallow two Ayn Rand novels, have any of you EVER read anything I suggested … this week it’s the book I mentioned in my blog last week (on Thurgood Marshall and the shit he had to deal with trying to keep blacks from being lynched by the glorious state of Florida (where there were more lynchings than all other southern states) … the case the book deals with (the major case, there are many) took place in 1946 … you think maybe there are still a few people around from that year … maybe racists too? Maybe even some with enough influence to do what was behind the lynchings in the first place (that wonderfully free market you all love so much–it was about using black labor for the citrus growers … forced black labor (not in the Marxist sense either) … actually forced black labor … give it a shot and read it … you just might learn something. 🙂

            The case is under my Maestro and the pulitzer … http://temporaryknucksline.blogspot.com/2013/06/8-days-to-graduation-james-seals-my.html

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Considering the source, It’s highly likely that many facts were ignored in both cases for the source to apply a biased opinion. If you want an example of Institutionalized Racism, just go find all the Planned Parenthood and abortion centers. The vast majority of locations would be enough to show it very clearly.

  25. gmanfortruth says:
  26. gmanfortruth says:
  27. gmanfortruth says:

    http://silveristhenew.com/2013/06/07/dhs-source-warns-world-war-about-to-break-out-will-kill-millions-of-people-must-read/

    More stuff that us conspiracy theorists read. So take it with a grain of salt, don’t believe it, whatever. It’s really nothing. 🙂

  28. Just A Citizen says:

    How controls are bred from controls

    June 10, 2013 by Doug Altner

    ARColumn In an interesting Forbes.com piece, Competitive Enterprise Institute adjunct scholar Jessica Melugin posits that Amazon.com supported the Marketplace Fairness Act—the bill that forces shoppers to pay a sales tax on online purchases—because they believe that the law will do more damage to their competitors than to them.

    Businessmen are often accused of lobbying for government intervention on such grounds. Many commentators on a previous blog post of mine suggested that the Costco CEO expressed support for a higher minimum wage simply because he already pays most of his employees well above minimum wage, whereas many of his competitors do not. Columnist Tim Carney insinuates that Walmart deliberately endorsed forcing all large employers to provide health insurance for full-time employees for similar, “crony” reasons.

    It is not always obvious what motivates business leaders to endorse such interventions—I question whether such endorsements are usually calculated, nefarious attempts to cripple competitors. But I think it happens sometimes, and these situations remind me of a rather apt analogy from Ayn Rand on how controls can breed controls.

    In a 1962 Los Angeles Times column titled “The Cold Civil War,” Ayn Rand analogized this phenomenon to a runner forced to wear chains during a race:

    “A man who is tied cannot run a race against men who are free: he must either demand that his bonds be removed or that all the other contestants be tied as well. If men choose the second, the economic race slows down to a walk, then to a stagger, then to a crawl—and then they all collapse at the goal posts of a Very Old Frontier*: the totalitarian state. No one is the winner but the government.”

    Like the runners in the analogy, today’s business leaders face an alternative. They can challenge the premise that the government should be imposing controls that make it illegal to hire anyone for less than $9 per hour or without providing health insurance. Or they can lobby for more economic controls when they think these interventions will largely injure their competitors, and thereby perpetuate the system in which others can lobby for additional controls on them. What do you think will happen if businessmen keep on choosing the latter?

    * Here, Rand was making reference to President John F. Kennedy’s “New Frontier,” a phrase that was commonly used to refer to his policy programs.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Total Conspiracy theory 🙂 Companies never ask the govt for help, LOL. I’m joking, as you could figure out. Sadly, there are some who would claim this as CT.

      I do have a question, you said that a Civil War may occur. Who are the two sides in your idealogy on this subject?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        gman

        The Status Quo vs. Freedom, Liberty and Justice for ALL.

        I see the potential for those who are firm in their left wing Progressivism becoming more militant. I see the same for those who are deeply steeped in the Libertarian or Anarchist ideals.

        I see the potential as between people of various beliefs and not necessarily real estate, as in States. Perhaps one community fighting another, or parts of communities fighting others.

        If we continue down this path there is another scenario. People will migrate even more. The Country will become more “Balkanized”. Under this scenario the Civil War would eventually be between those States controlling the Fed Govt and those wanting OUT.

        Those controlling the Fed Govt won’t be able to allow that because it would isolate the West Coast from the East Coast.

        Key point here G………… I think the chances of either an armed Revolution or Civil War are very REMOTE. Unless there is a huge and rapid over stepping by the Feds.

        What I see as the most likely, is the continued death of freedom, drop by drop. The “boiling frog” analogy.

        There has been an awakening in this country. But we Americans have little patience. The STATISTS are depending on our inability to stick with the fight over the long run. Because this is a VERY LONG WAR if we want to win it.

        This week the Feds handed primary water rights over to the wildlife and Indians in the upper Klamath Basin. The very people who settled there and built farms based on the Fed Govt’s promise of WATER just got shafted. This is the drip, drip, drip.

        The rural communities are slowly being strangled. If not for the high crop and beef prices many more would have died out by now. Once people are forced to migrate to the Cities to survive they will be absorbed by the Socialist BORG.

  29. June 12, 2013
    Which Database: OFA or NSA?
    By Cindy Simpson

    In the wake of the explosive NSA data-mining revelations, Breitbart TV reminded us of an interesting Rep. Maxine Waters bombshell from February. In an interview, Rep. Waters described a very powerful database that “no one has ever seen before in life,” “put in place” by Obama, that had “information about everything on every individual on ways that it’s never been done before.” [sic]

    The Breitbart piece was titled “Breitbart Flashback: Maxine Waters Reveals Obama’s Secret Database Filled with Voters’ Private Info.”

    Although what Rep. Waters described seems eerily similar to the recently leaked NSA secret database, she was not referring to the NSA, and not necessarily to anything “secret.”

    Waters and her interviewer specifically identified the keeper of the “powerful” database that she described as “Organizing for America” (“OFA”) — Obama’s campaign machine, which at the time was being restructured as a 501(c)4 and renamed “Organizing for Action.”

    That database began as a massive voter “list” for the 2008 campaign — the brainchild of Obama advisor David Plouffe, who was “instructed” by Obama to turn it into a “new lever of government.” A second successful election later, that list evolved into a database that was the subject of a November 2012 Washington Post article that opened with this:

    If you voted this election season, President Obama almost certainly has a file on you. His vast campaign database includes information on voters’ magazine subscriptions, car registrations, housing values and hunting licenses, along with scores estimating how likely they were to cast ballots for his reelection. And although the election is over, Obama’s database is just getting started. Democrats are pressing to expand and redeploy the most sophisticated voter list in history.

    The Post piece was written before the startling revelation that the list would no longer be maintained by the DNC. An American Thinker column covered OFA’s reorganization, noting that many Democrat strategists seemed not only surprised, but also uncomfortable with the idea that Obama’s massive campaign organization would not be folding back into the DNC as it did after the 2008 election. As Politico noted, other Democrat-supporting groups and wealthy donors apparently folded into it (or are at least closely “affiliated”), such as mega-contributor George Soros, Media Matters, and the Center for American Progress. In addition, besides Plouffe, other familiar names in the OFA circle came from the inner circle of Obama’s administration: David Axelrod, Stephanie Cutter, Jim Messina, Robert Gibbs, and Jon Carson.

    The National Journal noted some Democrat “grumbling” about a potential “power struggle between the national party, which aims to elect Democrats above all else, and the new group, which aims to build the president’s legacy[.]” The Atlantic Wire summed up all the fretting by “detractors and the media” over the new OFA in three parts: its debatable “promotion of social welfare,” Obama’s “permanent state of political campaigning,” and the appearance of “selling access to the White House.”

    The Huffington Post observed: “OFA’s close ties to the West Wing and its control over the former campaign’s resources has raised questions about where the nonprofit group ends and the White House starts.” The New York Times called OFA’s restructuring unprecedented and “an extension of the [Obama] administration.”

    Interesting points all (besides coming from the mainstream media): an administration linked to a amply-funded nonprofit group that controls a massive database and operates as an unprecedented extension of a campaign that never seems to end.

    And if that circle of relationships isn’t disconcerting enough, Fox News’s Catherine Herridge presented a special report on June 7 titled “Inside the World of Big Data and Big-time Politics” that noted the interesting connections of Google chairman Eric Schmidt and the Obama White House. According to a recent article in Businessweek, Schmidt, who was actually in the Obama campaign “boiler room” on election night, has invested millions in a new firm, Civis Analytics, staffed by former OFA team members. The firm is expected to “work for Democrat campaigns, and only Democrats — next year.” Justin Brookman of the Center of Democracy and Technology observed the potential for political targeting and “data mining of political opponents.” Jim Harper of the Cato Institute expressed concerns for the potential “hand-over of data” to “a political operation or to the government.”

    With the news that Obama has overseen the NSA’s secret collection of a huge database of information, while at the same time maintaining “close ties” to other organizations that operate massive databases dedicated to promoting his own policies, we should be alarmed at the potential such relationships could provide. Did we see but a hint of that potential in the recent actions of the IRS?

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/which_database_ofa_or_nsa.html#ixzz2VywLBUzY
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    • gmanfortruth says:

      VH, a long time back, I wrote an article on FEMA camps. It included a section on the blue and red lists of people that will determine what camp you go to, the death camp or the other. Back then it seemed far fetched, to say the least, but today, it’s memory is rekindled. While the FEMA camps seem to still be a CT (even though they have been proven), I wonder if these lists do exist. Your thoughts?

      • Bottom Line says:

        ” Most people have no clue what’s going on ”

        ” …FEMA camps…blue and red lists …”

        There are a vast majority that think they know what reality is. There is a very small percentage that actually know what reality is. And there is another small percentage that know the perceived reality isn’t right, but cannot see reality either.

        Everything developed from a false premise will also be false.

        What happens when the light of truth is shed?

        What happens when 6 billion people have to rethink what they thought was reality?

        What happens when 6 billion people have to rethink beliefs that they have structured their lives around for generations?

        Answer: All hell breaks loose on account of a lot of people flipping out. Absolute Chaos ensues, a New Order eventually follows.

        If you were government, and you knew this was coming, what would you do?

        If you were to protect any group of people above others, who would it be?

        Could the camps be sanctuaries? Women and children first, right?

      • What do I think-I think there is a lot of incidences of “camps” in history-so I do not dismiss the possibility. But I don’t think we are there yet-I hope I’m right.

        • Bottom Line says:

          V,

          Do you know what a “Kilroy” is? You know the WW2 pop culture trend thing with the
          cartoon guy peeking over a wall with his nose hanging over..says “Kilroy was
          here”.

          Have you ever scratched ” V was here on X date” into something..or perhaps wrote
          it somewhere? ..ya know…left your mark somewhere?

          How would you encrypt your mark in a way that would confirm it was you?

          If you wanted it to be found a couple of thousand years from now, how would you
          do it?

          Do you know what “false miracle” means?

          Do you know how many people are afraid of numerology and astrology, and think a 7
          headed 10 horned sea monster is going to take over the world and chip them all?

          • I know your making a point here BL-but if you want me to get it 🙂 -you’re gonna have to be a little more direct.

            • LOL – I’m glad I wasn’t the only one……

              BL – Speak to us!!!

              • Bottom Line says:

                ” be a little more direct. ”

                ” BL – Speak to us!!! ”

                I woke up and saw it ahead of schedule. It may not yet exist, but the only logical conclusion is that it will.

                I can show others, but it is rather problematic. It is complex, will take a while. Most won’t believe it or get it anyway. And if enough people DO see it, it is liable to cause all hell to break loose.

                It changes things. And what is really an intended message of peace and unity, family, spirituality, etc has been destroyed by human nature and it’s capacity to do evil on account of ego, fear, hate, etc..

                We’re in trouble…all of us.

                We need a global revolution.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                BL, Please be open! Anything you say we can handle (at least I can, LOL) Besides, there is very little you can say that would come as a surprise to me 🙂

    • Just A Citizen says:

      V.H.

      Something VERY disturbing popped out at me last night while watching MSNBC commentary by Rachel Maddow.

      She started her show with What we KNOW about Snowden.

      During her long list of facts about his guy was this: “He made political contributions TWICE to RON PAUL, according to the Federal Election Commission”.

      Why does the FEC KNOW WHO gave money to whom?

      Why does the FEC think this information is PUBLIC?

      So if they will share this with MSNBC upon a simple FOIA request, WHO ELSE do they share it with?

      Organizing for America perhaps????? The DNC perhaps?????

      • House committee looks into IRS seizure of 60 million medical records
        11:27 AM 06/12/2013

        Republican members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee are looking into allegations that the Internal Revenue Service seized 60 million medical records from a California health care provider.

        “(T)he Committee on Energy and Commerce is investigating allegations that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), in the course of executing a search warrant at a California health care provider’s corporate headquarters in March 2011, improperly seized the personal medical records of millions of American citizens in possible violation of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution,” members of the committee wrote in a letter Tuesday to Acting IRS Commissioner Daniel Werfel.

        The letter to Werfel, which requires a response by June 25, comes on the heels of a lawsuit filed by an unnamed healthcare provider against the IRS in California Superior Court. The lawsuit alleged that 15 IRS agents improperly stole medical records during search of the facility in March 2011, according to a report about the incident from Court House News.
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        The search warrant the agents were executing, the committee noted in citing the Court House News report, was allegedly limited to financial records of a former employee of the company, not medical records.

        “In light of these allegations and in anticipation of the IRS’s increased role in implementing health care under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, we are writing to request information regarding your agency’s ability to both protect the confidential medical information of millions of Americans and respect the safeguards imposed by HIPAA [Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act],” the letter reads.

        The IRS did not immediately respond to request for comment.

        Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/12/house-committee-looks-into-irs-seizure-of-60-million-medical-records/#ixzz2W1Z1xGqu

        They were discussing this on the news. It seems the IRS has refused to return the records-they insist that the IRS can’t look at our medical records to inforce Obamacare but for some reason they have stolen these records, records their court order didn’t cover and they won’t return them-anyone believe the IRS isn’t looking at these records. So how they get information-anyway they can-seems like an appropriate answer. And keeping them private-I think not.

        Just an FYI -They also said that they needed $270 million to implement Obamacare the last 3 years. Next year this will increase to $13 BILLION.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Is this news to you?

      • That the GOP houses a racist core? Not at all … 🙂

        The yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww was for all those who prefer the other reading of their Bible (the one that apparently says: Screw them and good for me …:)

  30. Obama Quietly Raises ‘Carbon Price’ as Costs to Climate Increase
    By Mark Drajem – Jun 11, 2013 11:00 PM CT

    Buried in a little-noticed rule on microwave ovens is a change in the U.S. government’s accounting for carbon emissions that could have wide-ranging implications for everything from power plants to the Keystone XL pipeline.

    The increase of the so-called social cost of carbon, to $38 a metric ton in 2015 from $23.80, adjusts the calculation the government uses to weigh costs and benefits of proposed regulations. The figure is meant to approximate losses from global warming such as flood damage and diminished crops.
    Enlarge image Tougher Regulations Seen From Obama Change in Carbon Calculation

    For example, the administration’s vehicle fuel-efficiency standards would cost industry $350 billion over the next 40 years, while benefits in energy security, less congestion and lower pollution totaled $278 billion. Photographer: Reed Saxon/AP Photo

    With the change, government actions that lead to cuts in emissions — anything from new mileage standards to clean-energy loans — will appear more valuable in its cost-benefit analyses. On the flip side, approvals that could lead to more carbon pollution, such as TransCanada Corp. (TRP)’s Keystone pipeline or coal-mining by companies such as Peabody Energy Corp. (BTU) on public lands, may be viewed as more costly.

    “As we learn that climate damage is worse and worse, there is no direction they could go but up,” Laurie Johnson, chief economist for climate at the Natural Resources Defense Council, said in an interview. Johnson says the administration should go further; she estimates the carbon cost could be as much as $266 a ton.
    Public Comment

    Even supporters questioned the way the administration slipped the policy out without first opening it for public comment. The change was buried in an afternoon announcement on May 31 about efficiency standards for microwave ovens, a rule not seen as groundbreaking.

    “This is a very strange way to make policy about something this important,” Frank Ackerman, an economist at Tufts University who published a book about the economics of global warming, said in an interview. The Obama administration “hasn’t always leveled with us about what is happening behind closed doors.”

    Industry representatives are equally puzzled.

    “It’s a pretty important move. To do this without any outside participation is bizarre,” said Jeff Holmstead, a lawyer at Bracewell & Giuliani LLP (1222L) representing coal-dependent power producers and other industry groups. A legal challenge to the determination would be difficult, but could be tried by itself or in a challenge to a specific rulemaking that uses the cost, he said.
    Leading Models

    The administration first arrived at this calculation in 2010 using “leading expert models” and updated it “applying the same methods and assumptions,” Office of Management and Budget spokesman Ari Isaacman Astles said in an e-mail.

    The Economic Report of the President in March said the administration would update estimates “as new scientific and economic analysis become available.”

    The administration’s new carbon cost is key to a wide range of policies, which get subject to cost-benefit analysis in the rulemaking process or at OMB. Obama is considering more energy efficiency standards for everything from buildings to vending machines.

    In addition, the Environmental Protection Agency is late on issuing rules to cap greenhouse-gas emissions from new power plants, a standard that would preclude the construction of new coal-fired power plants that don’t have expensive carbon-capture technology. Lobbyists representing companies such as American Electric Power Co. (AEP) and Southern Co. (SO) have urged the EPA to scale back that plan.

    In each of these cases, the carbon costs would help determine if the administration would act, and how far to go.
    Fuel Efficiency

    For example, the administration’s vehicle fuel-efficiency standards would cost industry $350 billion over the next 40 years, while benefits in energy security, less congestion and lower pollution totaled $278 billion, according to a regulatory analysis using the prior carbon cost estimates cited in a paper by administration economists. It’s only by including the $177 billion in benefits from less carbon dioxide that the rules provide a net benefit to the country, according to the paper by Michael Greenstone, now an economics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

    The government-wide assessment should be used by Obama in deciding whether to approve TransCanada (TRP)’s Keystone pipeline from the oil sands of Alberta to refiners along the Gulf of Mexico, according to environmental activists.

    According to the EPA, that pipeline could lead to 935 million metric tons of carbon-dioxide emissions over 50 years, putting the cost according to this latest calculation at more than $37 billion. This calculation is under dispute, as the State Department says in its own analysis that the pipeline won’t lead to additional production of oil sands.
    Keystone Challenge

    Still, if Obama approves the pipeline, the higher carbon-cost estimate could to be a part of any lawsuit challenging the decision, according to Bill Snape, senior counsel for the Center for Biological Diversity.

    “It won’t be a game changer, but it would help” in any legal challenge, he said.

    The increase in the estimate is being cheered by environmentalists as one small sign that President Barack Obama is going to make good on a pledge from his inaugural address to tackle global warming in the face of opposition from Republicans in Congress.

    “Four months ago, President Obama spoke of our obligation to combat climate change, saying failure to do so would betray our children and future generations,” filmmaker Robert Redford said in a statement released by NRDC yesterday. “I just hope he has the courage of his convictions.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-12/tougher-regulations-seen-from-obama-change-in-carbon-cost.html

  31. @ Stephen … I’m curious what you think about this. My daughter-in-law had to return to work today (8 weeks after giving birth) … she and my son both have graduate degrees and good jobs (as jobs go) … but I’m wondering how you feel about mothers having to return to work after 8 weeks (some 6 and 4 weeks) rather than say, 2 years for the mother and 2 years for the father (Sweden), in order for the family to bond and grow together?

    Or should middle class people just quit a) going to school so they don’t have huge student loans to pay off … or b) quit having kids … or c) both?

    This based on your feelings about how the family structure has been destroyed over time (I think we agree on that, but for probably different reasons) …

    • Buy them a plane ticket to Sweden.

      I was home for 8 weeks after the birth of my first two kids. We bonded quite well with each of them and together as a family. I decided to become a stay at home mother after the birth of our third – we made the choice to cut back where we needed to, in order to give up my paycheck, which surprisingly were not hard decisions. Our choices. Get it? Life is about choices and being responsible for those choices.

  32. You can always count on Tea baggers for some good old US&A patriotism …

    http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/52763976629/racist-basketball-fans-pissed-a-mexican-american-boy

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Quite a few BLACK tea baggers in your post. When did MEXICAN become a race?

      • Guess Charlie hasn’t noticed that a lot of Black Americans are having a problem with amnesty-say it’ll cost them jobs and the Unions aren’t happy about it either.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          V.H.

          I watched a Black lady last night who represents a Black group of some kind complaining about the new immigration law and its impact on low income jobs.

          Of course this same group probably supports subsidies for Black families.

          Oh the irony and hypocrisy of American Politics.

          • Saw her too – oh the irony is right!

            • Funny how the union is having so much trouble with immigration and obamacare-they support it as long as “they” get an exemption. Their favorite words- Fair and equal-don’t seem to have the same meaning when the policies they supported effect them.

    • I don’t see any political references shown, so why do you blame the TeaParty Charlie? Seems to be sports fans. Do you want to say all sports fans are racists? Just sports fans that tweet? Can you link this to Republicans or maybe George Bush while you are at it…did Zimmerman “tweet”? Sara Palin?

    • They keep insisting it’s legal to do this to citizens-so it should be a lot more reasonable to spy on a government office.

    • Has anyone heard any argument that makes sense that supports not closing the border first?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        No, has anyone heard of anything about immigration that don’t come from the Govt or MSM? Maybe that’s more important.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        V.H.

        The one that NOBODY wants to talk about.

        Logistics and Money.

        Most don’t realize how many people cross the border every day. Shipping products and people crossing to work.

        Thousands of miles of border to secure. Tons of money to make sure nobody sneaks across.

  33. gmanfortruth says:

    Some things that should be thought of are often ignored by those who do not want to face the truth. Those of you who refuse to face the truth are the problem, not the solution. Is this the truth, or more words that should be ignored? http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion/2013/06/how-do-you-deal-with-a-president-of-the-united-states-that-lies-2444630.html

  34. Sorry to be missing yous the next few days … yous always make me chuckle …

    Graduation Weekend … Momma Stella and My Speech … MFA Graduate, Rob Greene … Happy Fathers Day …
    http://temporaryknucksline.blogspot.com/2013/06/graduation-weekend-momma-stella-and-my.html

  35. gmanfortruth says:

    RUMOR: The NSA blackmailed A Supreme court judge to make sure Obamacare was ruled legal: http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2013/06/within-24-hours-glenn-beck-will-break-news-that-will-take-down-the-entire-power-structure-2448062.html

    For the sake of conversation only, what if this is true? What should be done? Who should be hanged from a lamppost?

  36. More and more and more lies, cheating, cover-ups. This woman is another example of courage:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/obama-administration-thugs-threaten-state-department-whistleblower-and-her-kids/

  37. Oh the irony (once again)! Good enough for you, but not for me!

    http://therightscoop.com/lawmakers-and-aids-are-considering-retiring-early-because-of-obamacare/

  38. Just A Citizen says:

    Re: My comment to V.H. about the ability to secure the border and the truth about how much it will cost. Some pictures of the designated crossing and the expanse of area in the desert.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+mexico+us+border+crossings&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=w-e5UYv6MqGCiwLCloGADw&ved=0CDAQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=768

  39. Wonder why no one in government bothers to ask a border state on how to secure a border?

  40. How to become racist and an Islamaphobe in two easy lessons…..

    (1) do not secure the border and grant amnesty……
    (2) continue the exemption imposed by Obama in 2011 on Surveillance, cell phone tracking, and e mail tracking of the Mosque’s.

    Unfriggin believable.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Our world has changed Colonel, WE are no longer in charge, they are. Troubling times for this country. The big question is: Can we overcome it and destroy the corruption that is so prevalent in our Governmental systems?

  41. gmanfortruth says:
    • Just A Citizen says:

      Stories like this would be more effective if they cut out all the Nazi crap.

  42. gmanfortruth says:
    • Going after conservative non-profits hence non-tax payers is far more important than stopping the theft of $4B/yr. Just who is prioritizing the work at IRS. Same goes for NSA, the FBI, and DHS. Miss an identified possible terrorist but waste time collecting trillions of bits of useless information on law abiding citizens…. er… subjects.

      Now I see we are going to arm the Syrian rebels. Obviously we did not learn anything from Egypt or Libya. So is this the diversionary war to keep us occupied so we do not notice our Constitution is being shredded?

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