T-Ray’s Action Plan


My proposal is that we periodically pick a topic, research it, and come to some agreeable conclusions as to how to solve the problem. Once we have an agreed upon approach with supporting documentation, then we each make a proposal to our local newspapers in hopes of generating some useful discussion and at the very minimum educate some people along the way. This will require that we monitor and participate in the discussion on the local papers blogs site. I have done this is the past. I typically follow the same rules we do here, no flaming the opponent and respond with facts and ask that they do likewise. After a few rounds of this even the diehards give up and respond in a genial fashion.

My basic philosophy is that the federal government has grown much too large and has taken on tasks far beyond those defined by the Constitution. It also collects way too much of our money and spends even more. Some fundamental changes need to occur.

Some of the topics that I would like to see us address are:
1) Immigration, we started this several months ago
2) Repeal of the 16th amendment (income tax)
3) Repeal of the 17th amendment (direct election of senators)
4) Auditing of the Fed and possibly deauthorizing it. Congress need to control the printing press
5) No wars w/o a formal declaration, reestablish Congress’ war making authority
6) A viable energy policy with the goal of a 90%-100% reduction in the DOE
7) Elimination of the D of Ed
8) All bills to clearly state the Constitutional that grants Congress the authority to pass the bill
9) Eliminate the debt ceiling and force Congress to pass individual bond authorizations for specific projects
10) Remove from the EPA any and all authority to regulate green house gases. Any such regulation will come directly from Congress
11) Revise the tax code, more specifically move to a flat tax or national sales tax that eliminates the income tax and eventually the IRS.
12) All regulations generated by the executive departments must be reviewed and approved by Congress
13) Repeal ObamaCare
14) Stop overtaxing at the federal level to rebate the money to states and local governments.
15) …………………………….
Please chime in and add your own.



  1. gmanfortruth says:

    I can certainly get myself wrapped up in T-Ray’s plan. I like action that is more than just “my lonely opinion”, but, it’s the idea of many. That put’s credence to the letter. If I had to pick a starting point, #12 All regulations generated by the executive departments must be reviewed and approved by Congress, this is what I would choose, because it currently has actions pending that will affect us all (electric power). 🙂

  2. Ok, call me the dark cloud, but…

    Of the 14 items listed I would say none of them will get backing from either the elected congress or a majority of the population. The honest truth is that a majority of those showing up at the voting booths do not care about any of these important issues. The population has been dumbed down and beat into submission, all they can agree on is how to spend more money. Before we can convince any elected official to get behind any of those items we need to prove to them that we can provide the votes to keep them in office.

    So I would suggest we start with a brainstorming exercise on how to sway public opinion. Alfonzo Rachel from ZoNation (http://www.pjtv.com/page/AlfonZo_Rachel%27s_ZoNation/162/) talks about this a lot.

    I recognize that I am probably the SUFA rookie around here, but I am impressed with the veterans and would like to lend my hand were I can.

    Thank you TRay and Gman for bringing this idea to the forum and I hope we can come together to make a difference.

    • Thanks for the suggestion and hope others chime in. I am off to work now so will be off the air for about 12 hrs.

  3. From D13:

    15. Fair trade agreements….dollar for dollar
    16. No trade surplus or deficits.
    17. No defense treaties without Congressional approval.
    18. Elimination of the IMF or no funds to the IMF for lending to our enemies.
    19. National voter ID.
    20. The elimination of NATO…it is outdated.
    21. The elimination of the United Nations….it is a costly circus.

  4. We’ve been advised here at SUFA often to “keep it local” and I think the more we focus on that the better chances we have for effect. Levin, in addition to selling his book, has an idea. I need to listen to it again, but would like to hear SUFAites reaction:


    • Just A Citizen says:


      I would like to remind everyone that this solution was proposed and discussed here several years ago. And a few time since then.

      I wrote myself a note several months back when I heard Levin comment on he was working on a solution but couldn’t share it with us yet.

      My note??? Levin to release another new book outlining need and way to amend Constitution. Will probably be same as discussed on SUFA.

      Does this mean Levin is not honest in his views or advice? No.

      But I must say, the answer was there before and he could have easily articulated it THEN. Especially given his background.

      So why hold it back? Why the delay??

      Perhaps because his new BOOK wasn’t done yet………… just sayin.

      • Oh, I know. It’s often about book sales. And I know we’ve discussed this before. Just thought I would bring it forward since the book is now out and Levin can finally share what his thoughts.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          Good for you for remembering and recognizing.

          Now………. it is a positive thing in that Levin has a bigger audience than we do.

          So perhaps SUFA should make sure we review his ideas and criticize them when needed.

          I’ll look into ways we can make contact with the “ONE”.

  5. OT – but any SUFAites want to admit to being part of “bro-choice”?


    • Just A Citizen says:

      brochoice looks like sarcasm to me. A little reverse projection if you will.

      Taking on what appears to be the personality traits of the others, in this case women who think the same way???

  6. Is there a way to expose the hypocrisy in the MSM that will get through the sheeple?

    CNN: “Zimmerman is a white Hispanic who is on trial for last year’s shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a black teen, in Sanford city. Sanford is in Seminole County.”

    White Hispanic? Really? Will they now refer to Barack Obama as the first White Black President?

  7. watch the folks in rapt attention in the audience at one of the most fraudulent, biased, slanted pieces of crap I have ever had the misfortune to waste 6 minutes on. Sorry, six minutes was all I could take. Perhaps, we should all be flying truth squads and comment or E-mail the sponsors of these events with that uncomfortable thing out there called the truth.


    I think even Charlie, if he paid attention, would notice the holes in this guy’s narrative.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Wow, unbelievable. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised this kind of rhetoric is still going on, especially among the Union agitators.

      I could have sworn the concept of white vs other races originated in the European Academic community.

      • Well I know the Brits had a number of slang expressions such as “wog” “whirling dervish” fuzzy wuzzy etc. Wouldn’t you just have loved to go one on one with him? A captive audience of stooges. When you are being insulted, personally insulted, it is time for just one member of the audience to stand up and yell, “Bullshit”.

  8. Something else interesting. This fellow must have gone to catholic School. That’s where I was taught it. Not too many other people I know even know it exists.

    The crowd reaction is good but somehow I don’t think they’re in NYC or Sn Francisco. Too bad.

  9. gmanfortruth says:

    Good Morning SUFA 🙂

    We have plenty of subjects to work with to begin with T-Ray’s idea. I have suggested #12. Attack Obama’s legistlating from the Oval Office when it come to coal fired electric plants. If he succeeds, it could have far reaching effects on all of us.

    Which ever subject is chosen, getting a letter to local papers is a great way to get the message out locally.

  10. WaTimes: “Senate Democrats laid the groundwork Thursday to trigger the “nuclear option” against minority filibusters, setting up a dramatic Tuesday showdown in which Republicans either will have to accept seven of President Obama’s controversial appointments or watch as Democrats change the rules and end filibusters of executive branch nominees.

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/11/reid-prepares-senate-end-nomination-filibusters/#ixzz2YpqClmp5

    I say call their bluff. Let the Dems change the rules to suit their needs. Then watch them cry when a Republican uses the new Dem rules in 2016.

    It frustrates me that people do not mind holding their “team” to one standard and their “enemies” to another. When did hypocrisy become acceptable in America?

    • gmanfortruth says:

      When did hypocrisy become acceptable in America?

      It is a way of life for those on the Left. It will all come back to haunt them one day.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        It is ALSO a way of life for those calling themselves REPUBLICANS. Now if you agree with me that they are also on the left I will agree to your statement. 🙂

        Otherwise lets not forget the elite have become corrupted and hypocrisy is not unique to the Democrats.

  11. gmanfortruth says:

    A quote being attributed to New Black Panthers leader Samir Shabazz by numerous Internet sites states, “This time we’re doing it right… This time we’re not burning down our communities. This time we’re going out to Whitey’s suburbs and burning down HIS community. We’re going to make Whitey feel the pain.”

    Seems strange that many of us “Right wingers” are called racists. Maybe false claims of racism should be another subject for T-Ray’s plan .

    • I will say to him the same thing I told a member of the old black panther party back in ’68. “Don’t be so quick in calling Power to the People. if the people ever get the power you will probably find yourself hanging from a lamp post”. This was not, I repeat not a racist remark. Would have told the same thing to an SDS radical at the time.

  12. gmanfortruth says:

    This is also interesting, and something very capable of occurring where I live. http://www.infowars.com/will-north-colorado-be-the-51st-state-in-the-union/

  13. Let’s talk about a suggestion from GMan, “Which ever subject is chosen, getting a letter to local papers is a great way to get the message out locally.”

    What is the best way to do this? Snail-mail or email? In print or online? Do we think this is the best way to reach younger people and if not, what is? I think we need to get our communities talking and thinking about important issues but I also think the youth is the most important demographic to reach.

    If local papers are the best route, here is a list of the Top 100 Newspapers in the United States (I can work on number 36: The Orlando Sentinel):

    Rank Newspaper Circulation
    1. USA Today (Arlington, Va.) 2,528,437
    2. Wall Street Journal (New York, N.Y.) 2,058,342
    3. Times (New York, N.Y.) 1,683,855
    4. Times (Los Angeles) 1,231,318
    5. Post (Washington, DC) 960,684
    6. Tribune (Chicago) 957,212
    7. Daily News (New York, N.Y.) 795,153
    8. Inquirer (Philadelphia) 705,965
    9. Post/Rocky Mountain News (Denver) 704,806
    10. Chronicle (Houston) 692,557
    11. Post (New York, N.Y.) 691,420
    12. News/Free Press (Detroit) 669,315
    13. Morning News (Dallas) 649,709
    14. Star Tribune (Minneapolis) 606,698
    15. Globe (Boston) 604,068
    16. Star-Ledger (Newark, N.J.) 599,628
    17. Journal-Constitution (Atlanta) 561,405
    18. Arizona Republic (Phoenix) 556,465
    19. Newsday (Long Island, N.Y.) 488,825
    20. Chronicle (San Francisco) 451,504
    21. Plain Dealer (Cleveland) 450,875
    22. Times/Post-Intelligencer (Seattle) 435,581
    23. Post-Dispatch (St. Louis) 423,291
    24. Times (St. Petersburg, Fla.) 422,410
    25. Union-Tribune (San Diego) 408,392
    26. Journal Sentinel (Milwaukee) 405,355
    27. Sun (Baltimore) 401,918
    28. Herald (Miami) 390,171
    29. Oregonian (Portland) 384,729
    30. Post-Gazette (Pittsburgh, Pa.) 373,980
    31. Star (Kansas City, Mo.) 367,712
    32. Register (Orange County, Calif.) 354,632
    33. Dispatch (Columbus, Ohio) 352,510
    34. Star (Indianapolis) 347,217
    35. Express-News (San Antonio, Tex.) 342,709
    36. Sentinel (Orlando, Fla.) 341,025
    37. South Florida Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale, Fla.) 339,728
    38. Bee (Sacramento, Calif.) 330,993
    39. Star-Telegram (Fort Worth, Tex.) 322,824
    40. Tribune & Times (Tampa, Fla.) 309,916
    41. Enquirer/Post (Cincinnati) 293,151
    42. Daily Oklahoman (Oklahoma City) 287,505
    43. Democrat-Gazette (Little Rock, Ark.) 275,991
    44. Observer (Charlotte, N.C.) 274,125
    45. News (Buffalo, N.Y.) 273,177
    46. Courant (Hartford, Conn.) 272,918
    47. Courier-Journal (Louisville, Ky.) 271,920
    48. Mercury News (San Jose, Calif.) 263,373
    49. Pioneer Press (St. Paul, Minn.) 251,565
    50. Register (Des Moines, Iowa) 240,912
    51. Tennessean (Nashville) 236,563
    52. World-Herald (Omaha, Neb.) 231,115
    53. Herald (Boston) 230,344
    54. American-Statesman (Austin, Tex.) 228,619
    55. Virginian-Pilot (Norfolk, Va.) 225,730
    56. Times-Union (Jacksonville, Fla.) 222,392
    57. Democrat and Chronicle (Rochester, N.Y.) 219,660
    58. Times-Dispatch (Richmond, Va.) 219,595
    59. Review-Journal (Las Vegas) 219,228
    60. Journal (Providence, R.I.) 218,388
    61. Commercial Appeal (Memphis) 216,705
    62 News & Observer (Raleigh, N.C.) 213,878
    63. Post (W. Palm Beach, Fla.) 211,697
    64. Investors Business Daily (Los Angeles) 210,708
    65. Record (Hackensack, N.J.) 206,086
    66. Asbury Park Press (Neptune, N.J.) 199,723
    67. Contra Costa Times (Walnut Creek, Calif.) 190,613
    68. Press-Enterprise (Riverside, Calif.) 189,000
    69. Daily News (Los Angeles) 187,740
    70. Bee (Fresno, Calif.) 183,744
    71. Press (Grand Rapids, Mich.) 182,810
    72. News (Birmingham, Ala.) 180,451
    73. Daily Star (Tucson, Ariz.) 173,064
    74. Beacon Journal (Akron, Ohio) 170,870
    75. Daily News (Dayton, Ohio) 168,645
    76. Post-Standard (Syracuse, N.Y.) 168,393
    77. Blade (Toledo, Ohio) 167,686
    78. Advertiser (Honolulu) 160,723
    79. Tribune-Review (Greensburg, Pa.) 158,013
    80. Daily Herald (Arlington Heights, Ill.) 153,291
    81. News-Sentinel (Knoxville, Tenn.) 152,945
    82. Tribune/Deseret News (Salt Lake City) 151,422
    83. Morning Call (Allentown, Pa.) 150,936
    84. Journal (Albuquerque) 149,455
    85. Wisconsin State Journal/Capital Times (Madison, Wis.) 148,489
    86. Patriot-News (Harrisburg, Pa.) 148,301
    87. Journal News (White Plains, N.Y.) 144,231
    88. Eagle (Wichita, Kans.) 143,948
    89. Herald-Leader (Lexington, Ky.) 141,019
    90. State (Columbia, S.C.) 140,362
    91. Herald-Tribune (Sarasota, Fla.) 138,675
    92. News Tribune (Tacoma, Wash.) 137,730
    93. News Journal (Wilmington, Del.) 134,865
    94. Times Union (Albany, N.Y.) 133,787
    95. La Opinion (Los Angeles) 128,553
    96. Republican (Springfield, Mass.) 125,864
    97. News-Journal (Daytona Beach, Fla.) 125,754
    98. Daily News (Philadelphia) 123,483
    99. Journal Gazette/News-Sentinel (Fort Wayne, Ind.) 121,475
    100. Spokesman-Review (Spokane, Wash.) 120,632

    Read more: Top 100 Newspapers in the United States | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0004420.html#ixzz2Ypz0GrXv

  14. http://www.bondaction.org/content/article/37076/Black%20Racism%20Killed%20Trayvon

    Poor guy; will probably have his house ransacked after this article.

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    What to do??

    For one thing we need to stay on a topic. That is after we organize our effort.

    The discussion above has happened here before. Then when a major issue is introduced, like sorting out our core principles, the discussion quickly moves to the headline issues of the day.

    I also think there needs to be some discussion about what our system was designed to do in the first place and why. We can obviously change it but I think many would find they are not that far off from where the Founders were when they penned the Constitution.

    If those values still apply then we need to teach others. At that point the media contacts become relevant.

    I was going to be gone a month but changed my schedule yesterday. I will be gone from Tomorrow for just over a week. So when I get back I will try a little harder to help with this effort. So far I have not been able to meet the promises I made to USW when he asked me to help keep things going.

    Gman, LOI and Bottomline did their part. But we put to much on them.

    I’m around today but wanted to get this out there before I forgot and loaded the Gipsy Wagon.

    I have invited a person from Huff Po to come and participate. I don’t know his/her political affiliation. Only that he/she shared the view of the need for civil debate and compromise to move this country forward. The handle used was The Rifleman.

    So if they should show up please put on your GOOD behavior.

    And ………..


    • Good Day, my western friend…………. I don’t know what all the hoopla about name calling was here…but Huffpo is hilarious. By the way, I showed back up after I complained. Now, there are two of me…..lol. But the name calling on Huffpo gets past their moderators somehow.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        I’ve noticed it depends on who is calling the names.

        I think our problem here was not just the name calling. It had a lot to do with the echo chamber effect and the “its hopeless” attitude of our anarchist friends.

        Although apparently it was my fault Mathius left us. Still scratching my head on that one.

        Off to Nevada for the week. Should run into a little of that “seasonable” weather you like so much.

  16. http://worldoceanreview.com/en/wor-1/energy/methane-hydrates/

    Had not heard of this potential source of energy before. We seem to have centuries of hydrocarbons.

    • Excellent unbiased series of articles in “Atlantic” magazine a few months back with the cover headline, “What if we never run out of oil”. First time I had heard of them too.


      Not a short article but well worth it. There are companion articles in the issue. “Atlantic” turns out to be pretty even handed magazine which totally shocked me.

      • Good article and well balanced. I had not considered the unrest that could result in the OPEC nations once the world is independent of their oil. A single commodity economy is not good. It was also interesting to learn that of all the major oil producing states, the US is the only one in which the production is done by private entities.

  17. gmanfortruth says:


    The mess will happen, regardless of the decision, sadly 😦

    • So they’re going to riot, huh? And, what? Start shooting white people? Real good plan. Cops and National Guard better be on the ball, with a large presence, and be willing to arrest the thugs. As far as the tweets go, I’ll bet that many of the them are planted just for the purpose of adding fuel to the fire. 🙄

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Hopefully, it leads to nothing more than some peaceful protests. At this point, it’s up to a jury of peers. Even I can respect their decision, despite my belief in his innocense. Averdict of innocent couldn’t have come at a worse time, a Saturday (if it come’s today). Have a great day! 🙂

  18. gmanfortruth says:


    Why #12 is what I want to attack with T-Ray’s idea!

    • My original intent for #12 was to have all regulations created by the various departments (IRS, EPA, etc.) passed back through Congress to get codified. As it is now, these bureaucrats can create rules which have the effect of law but are not laws. I think Congress should have the ability to review them, delete sections they do not like and pass the remainder as law or reject them in their entirety., However, I can see you point on executive orders. Executive orders should be used to organize the operations of the executive branch and should not reach beyond to the general public without Congressional approval.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        T-Ray, I agree and that was my thinking. Should I write a sample letter and everyone can tear it apart to make it better 🙂

    • I like it T-Ray. Be interesting to see how it works here. So what topic would most at SUFA like to have a discussion on? I can already see one problem, we don’t speak the same language, especially our “servants” in D.C….
      5) No wars w/o a formal declaration, reestablish Congress’ war making authority
      Libya was not a war. (at least the actions taken by the US military) Nor was our apparent smuggling of weapons to Syria (or Mexico)

      We need another check on governments power. Maybe something like the Inspector Generals with authority over government only but once appointed, under the judicial, not executive branch?

      Having a tough time at work. Also have a local interest I have been devoting some time too.
      May try to write an article next week, depending on those factors. For now, off to church…

  19. gmanfortruth says:

    A newly released study by psychologists and social scientists in both the United States and the UK is bound to ‘shock the world’, for it has found that those who believe in ‘conspiracy theories’ are considered ‘more sane’ than those who believe in the ‘official versions’ of the ‘contested events’. For most Beforeitsnews readers, this is simply not shocking in the least bit, in fact, it is quite common knowledge. For Americans who still believe the ‘accepted versions’ of stated events, it’s quite possible that they will continue to stay ‘insane’, and hostile! In fact, those now believing the ‘conspiracy theory’ version of events now outnumber those believing the ‘statist propaganda’ TWO TO ONE! Americans are quickly awakening to hidden truths; is it too late? This fact sure would explain why TPTB are so eager to crackdown on Americans. If I were to recommend ONE ‘conspiracy theory’ video for those who haven’t ‘awoken’ to watch, I’d recommend the banned ‘Conspiracy Theory’ with Jesse Ventura embedded at the bottom of this story about the Police State and FEMA Camps in America. We’re running out of time and only MASS AWAKENING may save this country and our very lives and the lives of our children and loved ones. http://beforeitsnews.com/education/2013/07/new-usuk-study-shocks-world-conspiracy-theorists-are-sane-government-dupes-crazy-hostile-2444530.html

    • When you think about it, they’re really not off the mark. Missouri and its most famous son, Harry Truman were famous for the motto, “show me”. I am afraid that after I was burned the 7,683rd time, i finally “got it”. So, unless you can back it up with facts, go try sell that bridge to someone else.

      ——“What are the facts? Again and again and again – what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history” – what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!”—–

      Robert Anson Heinlein

      • gmanfortruth says:

        There are some pretty wild theories going around out there. While I read many of them, I usually just put them off to the side and wait for more facts to come out. Those are the one’s I never talk about or even bring up with friends. Some theories are much more believable and should be discussed. Those are for different days and different chats 🙂

  20. Interesting fact about Huffpo…..the three top labor unions in the US trash Obama care……not supporting it at all……and all Huffpo is upset about is Texas passing an abortion bill.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Those at HuffPo will never admit when they are wrong, it’s not in the leftist ideology. 🙂

  21. gmanfortruth says:


    • gmanfortruth says:

      So will the barbarians riot?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Sadly, it does not take away the fact that a young man is dead. I di feel bad for the Martin family, they have lost a loved one. That should never be forgotten. Regardless of the legal system, it is all still a tragedy that could have never happened, had different choices been made. Overall, very sad 😦

    • Sometimes we see how the justice system does protect us from the mobs, no one will lynch George today.

      I do pray that the Martin family will be able lot grieve in peace now over the loss of Tryvon, such a wasted opportunity.

      My apologies to those that wanted a conviction and did not get one, your ability to make public your thoughts without resorted to violence should be a model for future mobs in America. I only pray that the demonstrations continue to be peaceful.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        FLP, this was nothing but a farce. It should have never went to trial. Now the race pimps want civil rights charges because they claim he “profiled” Martin. Of course he profiled Martin, he was in the gated community where he was a stranger.

        Very emotional subject, mainly because the Media made it so. It had nothing to do with racism, but many on the left can’t handle the truth. They need racism for the Left to be relevant. I’m glad the jury decided the way they did, that is what justice is.

        Now, back to extending my chicken coop 🙂

        • Actually TM & GZ profiled each other but it was TM’s attitude the eventually got him killed.

        • “It should never have gone to trial”

          Ah, but you see G, that is exactly where you are wrong on this entire topic. Of course it should have goon to trial! There were so many unknowns about the entire incident. All that was 100% certain is that Zimmerman killed Martin. Let there be a trial, let the facts come out, and let a jury determine whether or not this was self defense.

          On another note, I hope everyone here is doing well! Things have been absolutely crazy for me lately and I just don’t have the time I used to. Baby keeps my hands full (can’t believe how much she’s grown already!!) plus started a job at a new firm a few months ago. As always, be sure to let me know if any of you find your way to the crazy liberal City!

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Buck, nice to hear from you and it’s great that your daughter is such an important part of your life, BRAVO!

            I don’t disagree 100%, but maybe this could have been dealt with quite differently. The media caused this trial, along with the regular race pimps Sharpten and Jackson. I did get to watch about 60% of the trial, the prosecution never had a prayer.

            Anyway, I’m glad it’s over and I feel justice was served properly (as maybe it should have been tried). It may not be over just yet, lets see what the Feds do, sadly. If they file , it’s a witch hunt. Glad to hear your doing well! Peace to you and your family 🙂

            • No, the media did not cause this trial — Zimmerman’s actions necessitated a trial.

              LOI — knock on wood, she’s been sleeping really well lately. Though thanks for jinxing it. I’ll be sure to give you a holler at 2am! :). And on your point about going to trial – there absolutely needed to be a trial. You seem to be suggesting that if the police can’t prove no self-defense then there should be no trial. But that is precisely what the purpose of a trial is. You kill someone under circumstances that are not clearly self-defense and claim self-defense, you get a trial. End of story.

              • Hey Buckster, good to hear from you. Hope you are doing well in the land of Barristerville. You are correct. Let it go to trial and let a jury decide…it did, they did, game over.

                However, I do not think this would have gone to trial without media and Presidential interference and pressure from a Justice Department that had no jurisdiction in local issues…..all that said….he was tried by 6 ladies, most of whom had children…given an option of manslaughter…..found not guilty. That is how our jurisprudence system works.

                Keep that daughter safe and warm…….and because I have been through it……..I am sending a stealth raptor to your area to growl at 2 am…..just to keep you on your toes……..by the way, it gets worse..Just remember….when she grows up to be a teenager, and the estrogen is flying, and the phone is ringing at 2 am, and she is not home at your curfew time…..remember today. Bwwaahahahahhaha.

              • And had it not gone to trial absent any media/national attention, I believe that would have been a real tragedy.

                Must have been in a deep sleep last night and missed the raptors. But please don’t remind me of all that raising a daughter will entail in the teenage years ahead! Those thoughts alone may well keep me up at night!

              • As a father of 16 and 12 year old girls….. I weep for your future. I pray every night that some family is raising their boys correctly to be a man and that my daughter meets one of them. Most boys are not being raised to be men these days.

                If any of you on SUFA have sons, please for us DODOs (Dad Of Daughters Only) teach your sons to be real men and treat girls rightly.

          • Buck, things OK with the misses? Babies and lack of sleep can make ya a little tense….


          • for many legal analysts, it was no surprise that jurors rejected even a lesser “compromise” verdict of manslaughter, acquitting Zimmerman outright of all criminal charges and deciding he acted in a reasonable way to protect his own life.

            The acquittal was a stinging blow for prosecutors and their decision to file the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman, who was not initially arrested by Sanford police after claiming self-defense. And it was a resounding embrace of the defense’s strategy during closing arguments not just to establish that prosecutors hadn’t proven Zimmerman guilty, but also to show he was “absolutely” innocent.

            Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/07/legal_experts_conclude_that_prosecution_in_zimmerman_trial_never_proved_its_case.html#ixzz2Z4PCdx9s

            But no, it should never had gone to trial. They could not prove Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. They could not prove he committed a crime. Instead, they tried to get the jury to believe he was a racist or cop want-a-be and get a conviction on emotion. It’s a sad, sad thing when those supposed to uphold the law ignore it and attempt to punish an innocent man. Had he been convicted, what self defense laws would still apply? Would you only be able to defend yourself from a member of your own race? Must they outweigh you by 100lbs or more? Back to a “duty to retreat”? Hard to do if the guy is on top of you, but if that’s the law, somehow, you have to escape and run before using lethal force……

            • LOI….nah……in Vietnam, I learned how to shoot on the run very effectively. There are many times I hear a bullet twice….once when it passed by my ear and secondly when I passed it up…..have good day.

  22. Salute to the Treepers
    Thomas Lifson

    If you’ve never heard of the Treepers, that’s because the media have studiously ignored the best journalism done on the Zimmerman trial. The moniker denotes a group of bloggers posting at The Conservative Treehouse whose painstaking research uncovered a conspiracy by “elements within the SPD and the Miami-Dade School District Police Department…[who] conspired to keep Martin’s criminal history buried,” in the words of Jack Cashill, the premier investigative journalist working the Trayvon Martin story.

    Yesterday, George Zimmerman’s father Robert paid tribute to the Treepers, seemingly the only people in the world unwilling to accept the manufactured fairy tale of Trayvon as an innocent, angelic child:

    I have thanked Mark Omara and Don West. Now I would like to extend our heartfelt appreciation to you, our friends at CTH. (Waving to others)

    Currently, our family is happy knowing our son no longer faces a malicious, unethical prosecution. Further, to whatever extent possible, I will attempt to hold every individual fully responsible for their actions.

    Again, Thank You.

    It is a scandal that all the major journalistic institutions of our country studiously ignored the facts about Trayvon Martin in an effort to script a dark national psychodrama of random white violence on innocent black children, and that it fell to a group of bloggers to uncover the truth.

    I bow toward the Treepers in thanks and praise.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/07/salute_to_the_treepers.html#ixzz2Z4SAj2ND

    • I thought that Zimmerman was a Hispanic……now, I hear “white Hispanic”….so, if Zimmerman is a “white Hispanic”, is Obama a “white/black”?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        He is Colonel, but the media can’t have a white on black racist event without him being somehow white. This is how low the lefties and the media will stoop to try and prove their constant lies. I had CNN on by accident for 5 minutes last night and couldn’t stomach their BS. Totally sickening to see that they are the real racists, yet nothing is done to them when their claims are proven a lie.

  23. gmanfortruth says:

    As I had suggested weeks earlier, Obama does NOT have the authority to delay the healthcare mandate to business’s. New laws being suggested in the HoR are saying this as well. Will link a story as soon as it comes available.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      They always have. Both are horrible when it comes to news. CNN does the trials fairly well, although still show a bias

  24. gmanfortruth says:

    Question for SUFA, is the person in this video just exercising free speech, or did he cross the line and broke the law? I say the latter 😦 http://www.prisonplanet.com/every-fing-cop-is-a-target-trayvon-supporter.html

  25. Where have all the scandals gone, long time passing?
    Where have all the scandals gone, long time ago?
    Where have all the scandals gone?
    Trayvon has picked them everyone.
    Oh, when will we ever learn?
    Oh, when will we ever learn?

    • Quick! Focus all the attention on Trayvon Martin, again, again, again, again and again. What scandals?

      • Hoodies, Civil Justice, Skittles oh my!

        We ain’t got no stinkin’ scandals!

        I give you the Twitter-verse for some humor in all this ridiculous, over the top nonsense.


      • gmanfortruth says:

        Big distraction from the real issues, and once again, the MSM is front and center. What to do? 🙄

        • When all the news that should be printed is spiked, One wonders why bother. The old newspapers in Soviet Russia were Isvestia (News) and Pravda (Truth). The average Russian would muse, “there is no News in Isvestia and no truth in Pravda.’ I never figured, in my wildest dreams back in the day that the entire American Media would follow in the footsteps of the NY Times.

          The whole Martin/Zimmerman thing generated perhaps the biggest scandal of all next to “Fast and Furious”. The Federal Government itself sending minions out into the streets of Florida to organize a disinformation campaign. Nobody, including Fox seems to notice.

    • Where have all the Travons gone, long time passing?
      Where have all the Trayvons gone, long time ago?
      Where have all the Travons gone?
      Gone for riots everyone.
      Oh, when will they ever learn?
      Oh, when will they ever learn?

      Where have all the riots gone, long time passing?
      Where have all the riots gone, long time ago?
      Where have all the riots gone?
      Gone for justice everyone
      Oh, when will they ever learn?
      Oh, when will they ever learn?

      Where has all the justice gone, long time passing?
      Where has all the justice gone, long time ago?
      Where has all the justice gone?
      Gone to Holders, everyone.
      Oh, when will they ever learn?
      Oh, when will they ever learn?

      Where have all the Holders gone, long time passing?
      Where have all the Holders gone, long time ago?
      Where have all the Holders gone?
      Gone to scandals, everyone.
      Oh, when will they ever learn?
      Oh, when will they ever learn?

  26. Sounds like there is a second set of books. Is this what happens when you put a tax cheat in charge?


  27. gmanfortruth says:

    Our education system at it’s finest http://www.infowars.com/trayvon-protesters-storm-wal-mart-assault-bystanders/

    Wonder what would happen if someone else pulled a gun on his attackers and shot a few? Would anyone learn a lesson, or would they just cry racism again?

  28. @ the Buckster……isn’t a grand jury for deciding what is to be prosecuted? Why have a grand jury at all if you are going to by pass it?


    Am I suppose to rally ’cause a kid was killed or rally for the right to kill more kids!


    • gmanfortruth says:

      And the Lefties think they have all the answers! What a bunch of hypocrits 👿

  30. gmanfortruth says:

    Those famed Skittles beig caried by Martin have an interesting history. Must read about how they are used in a mix to produce “Lean”, along with his famed ice tea! http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/it-wasnt-just-skittles-trayvon-was-carrying/

  31. Good lord. If this person is representative of what lawyers think their job is – social engineering – no wonder we have such a mess. I think I remember reading something like 75% of the Democrat congress people are lawyers.


    • Social engineering: that’s Jesse’s and Al’s job..she might be better at that anyway. She gave no credit to the legal process at all..much less any credit to the jury. Is she trying to get points with Obama and Holder?

      Have to give Trayvon’s parents some credit. I haven’t seen them step out of line AT ALL through the whole thing. Maybe they could step up and ask their supporters for calm.

  32. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rulemaking

    The above article describes the process by which members of the executive create and codify rules and regulations. They tends to lean heavily on science but there are many regulations that do not depend on science such as the IRS rules. Please review this. My position is that another step should be added to the process. Once finalized, the rule(s) should be presented to Congress for a yea or nay vote. I would add that Congress would have the authority to delete any sections of the rules they so desire although some may argue this could lead to crony whatever (capitalism, unionism, etc.).

    We are all subject to the rules once codified; but these are rules that have not been specifically reviewed, voted or signed in to law Congress and the President. Ultimately if we violate one of these executive rules, we can be hauled into court and fined or imprisoned.

    Comments please.

  33. gmanfortruth says:

    I’m Just Saying…by Jeff Foxworthy.
    If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might live in a nation that …was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded with Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free cell phones — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of unemployment checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful employment was diligently sought, but couldn’t be found — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    I’m just saying…what a country!

  34. D13 and whoever else is curious about my ongoing convo with others in my city on the issue of privatizing bus and other school services….How I wish you guys could be in on it! I have backup from a few others but it’s tough in the trenches..couple snippets:

    Previous guy said his two cents and said he was going back to having a life, then this upstanding citizen says:

    It seems that most of the people that are “having a life” are the first to speak up with a wise ass remark because its not they’re jobs that’s being Eliminated but are the first to start crying when their non-union scab boss is messing with them Threatening their jobs??? Instead of giving your scabby two cent bubble gum Philosophy…why nit put that much effort in helping these fine folks in keeping their jobs and actually going out (yes leaving the computer where you a bad ass) AND voting!!!! Instead of babbling on about something you don’t know NOTHING about….UNION PRIDE!!!!!!
    Get if your lazy wise cracking ass and do something!!!
    Or even worse….. You are Union but as long as its not your union job that’s being Eliminated for scab help its not bothering you??? Hmmmm…..

    Of course I wasn’t having that and said:

    Speaking of babbling, Richard…The first thing you need to realize is that is that you don’t ‘own’ the job…union or non union. The job is offered by the owner or the corp, it is THEIR job, not YOURS. You accept the PRIVILEGE of doing THEIR job. We’re talking about public unions. You have to realize that the funding to pay the drivers and others comes from the taxpayers, not some bottomless pot of gold. So you want the people who pay you, the taxpayers, to agree to pay what you WANT to make as opposed to what they ARE ABLE to pay. Then you get a better standard of living than the folks who pay you. So who has who’s best interest at heart? Certainly not Albert Shanker..from the American Federation of Teachers: “When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.” And certainly not you or your UNION PRIDE.

    He returned the volley:

    In your last BLAST of BABBLING you’ve made it clear that your Obviously one of the “Walmart working welfare” shoppers and that you don’t care about the 129 employees AND their FAMILY’S that will be out of work so you can bring in a non-union Company’s that only care about MAKING MONEY at the children’s expense? But hey… You can save money right? So when the 129 people will be out if work can sign up for unemployment and when that runs out they can sign up for welfare to support their family’s (but you still saving money right?)
    I Suppose your for Right to work also??? WORK HARDER FOR LESS PAY RIGHT??
    So you run right out and vote in the company’s that are going to save YOU money….
    STUPID is…. As STUPID does..

    I guess we can add STUPID to our list of titles. There was a meeting of the Board of Education last night where a vote was to take place..it was packed..AFSCME TShirts everywhere..I’ll give them credit, they are willing to take a 37% cut to help with a 3 million dollar gap. Before the meeting the board was ready to privatize but after gathering this last ditch proposal from the union, they agreed to table the issue for one week to go over the new offer. And so I’ll go back to arguing with idiots!

    • I’d be curious to know what back door offer went along with that 37% pay cut. That’s the problem with most union plans – they are back loaded and unrealistic, which the politicians know and union leadership knows too, but figure that’s a fight for someone else down the road. When it comes time to pay these ridiculous guarantees, the union employees screech, “but we were promised” or “we took a 37% pay cut in 2013 so we could have lifelong health care paid and full pensions”, blah, blah, blah, but the money isn’t there.

      There’s been a push in WI (although I haven’t heard much recently), to actually fund public union benefits in real time. The unions were screaming no way, as it would show just how much these public employees are costing us.

      Keep plugging away at it. The results of ACT 10 here in Wisconsin are bearing fruit in several ways. Many school districts have saved a ton of money since they can now go out for bids for benefits, rather than forced to buy from the union insurance company. The union insurance company (WEA Trust) has had to lay off several employees as they’ve lost so much business since schools have a choice. Also, since paying dues is now optional, the drop-off rate has been huge (can’t find the percent right off hand) and just heard last week that a huge labor gathering usually held on Labor Day is being cancelled this year due to…..lack of union funds to pay for it!

      We are getting there! If WI can do it – home of the Progressive movement – so can MI!

      • I enjoy all these things. If the folks in the Public Service unions were not as hostile to big business as they are, they would understand one basic premise. If the economy does well,then there is MORE money available. If the economy does poorly, well you guys know what happens. They should also get the message that their union bosses who, almost across the board, support unfettered low income immigration make things like education
        ridiculously expensive and basically unaffordable for all but the richest districts. These low income or no income workers really contribute nothing to the money pot and are a drain on education and medicine in this country. Just for the hell of it I will throw in Law enforcement including the cost of incarceration.

        Mistaking the world you would like to have for the one you have is one surefire way to have many, many unpleasant surprises.

        • Mathius™ says:

          if the economy does well,then there is MORE money available.

          Recent experience seems to suggest that this is certainly true.

          I think the point at which public service unions unions take issue is the question of who gets that extra money. Wealth and income disparities are at an all-time high in this country, with middle and lower class income growth roughly static while upper income has enjoyed massive gains.

          These low income or no income workers really contribute nothing to the money pot

          Because they don’t make enough money to contribute anything to the money pot.

          By the way, that’s only if you don’t count the fact that they spend every penny they earn (and then some), which all goes right back into the economy, driving economic growth. Because, you know, that doesn’t actually count as contributing to the money pot.

          Just for the hell of it I will throw in Law enforcement including the cost of incarceration.

          Exactly right, because the poor also can’t afford high quality legal defenses either. In fact, being poor is hugely correlated with likelihood of going to jail. The legal system is also stacked against the poor and in favor of the rich.

          Oooh, it’s good to be back, I missed this place. Let’s have at it!

          • You were gone? Seems like you picked right back up where you left off.

            See? you got kicked off another site..but you left us? You thought we were so bad? HA! At least you didn’t get banned from here like your brother Charlie. But we had his back and he came back..but looks like he left on his own now.


            AND .. while I’m hollering..VH GET BACK HERE!!!

            • Mathius™ says:

              We lost Charlie? Well that’s a shame. He was a little extreme, but he brought a pretty valuable perspective. What happened?

              Seems like this place is pretty quiet lately.. is this the new norm?

              Also, has anyone seen our illustrious dear leader, USW around these parts, or is his job still keeping him too busy to play with us?

    • You have a real tough issue. We have started attacking the individual school districts on budget requirements. Texas is a right to work state but that does not seem to matter to teachers. We have associations here. But, we have gathered strength in going to the school board meetings with budget questions. We are also on a full scale attack on balancing city budgets, just as Texas has to balance its State budget. In Fort Worth, for example, we have been moderately successful in a pay as you go city. If the funds are not there, you can have a bond drive but the city is not allowed to borrow money unless the treatment of that debt is within the City budget. We have been hugely successful in raising the same concerns on the State Education Budget……no more unfunded liabilities and that includes teachers and city pensions.

      In Galveston, it was allowed from the IRS and the State to have Galveston opt out of the Social Security System as far as public service goes. No payments to the IRS for Social Security and, of course, the city and school workers are not allowed to participate in social security at retirement. The result has been phenomenal….not only is the pension plan funded, it has a surplus and the payments are greater than full social security as this was done through the private sector. The problem now…….the Federal government and the IRS have discontinued the program as far as other cities are concerned while Galveston is still allowed to continue….the result…..full employment and long tenure. It is going to take balancing budgets. The Law of Diminishing Returns is alive and becoming all consuming.

  35. Mathius™ says:


    • Heeeey! Don’t be skeeeeerd! 🙂 Hope all is well in the father hood.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      expected as much. Hope all is well with the Mathius family! 🙂

      • Mathius™ says:

        All is good, all is good.. that baby is getting big. I just got banned from another forum (presumably because I was right too often and the conservatives didn’t like that), so I thought I’d check back in and see what’s going on in the old SUFA lunatic asylum.

        How goes everything in this madhouse? I missed you guys.

        • Just like the Buckster……there is a teenager lurking waiting to test your resolve. By the way, since your absence, I now have an inviso-raptor.

          • Mathius™ says:

            Lurking teenagers? I can only assume that is a shot at the Trayvon Martin case (if so, post a new thread with your questions and I will answer in a long and protracted dissertation).

            Regarding Inviso-raptors.. well shucks.. why would you go and do a thing like that? Do they at least show up on thermo cams or Predator-Vision?

            • 🙂

              • Mathius™ says:

                I’m not afraid of you! Bring it!

                What are you going to do? Arm yourself, leave your house, follow me around in a car and then on foot for a few blocks while ignoring police instructions until I feel threatened enough to attack you, then shoot me in self defense? You’d never get away with something like that! (tehehehe)

                Trayvon and Zimmerman note: Your guess about my opinion(s) on this are probably wrong. (unless your guess is that I think “Trayvon” is an awful name, then you’d be at least partially right).

                PS: I LOVED that picture!

            • You assume incorrectly, sir. There was no reference intended on the Martin case. I was merely saying…there is a metamorphosis to teenage years in there.

              On the Martin case…I am tired of it. I consider it political grandstanding….it went to a jury and the jury rendered a verdict….it is what it is. That is our system…..quite frankly I am shocked that six women, five of whom had kids….did not compromise a manslaughter verdict.

              Well, hell, you have Predator Vision? No wonder my raptor never returned. Do you know how hard it is to train those things? Sigh…….

              • Mathius™ says:

                Political grandstanding be as it may, I found that the reporting on it was absolutely atrocious.

                Frankly, I think the media should be taken out to woodshed for this one. The politicians can’t really be blamed – it’s their job to stir people up. The media is supposed to tell the story.

              • @Mathius, I would say the media is LOOOOONG past due for a trip to the woodshed. But that’s ok, they are killing themselves, as seen in their ratings. One bad report at a time broadcast and print “news” is committing suicide and American will be better off without them.

              • Mathius™ says:

                Just because they’re long past due, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take them out to the woodshed anyway, does it?

                I would reeeeeeaaaaaallllly like to beat some of these people with a hickory switch.

                You *whack* will *whack* research *whack* you *whack* facts ***WHACK!!***

                Meanwhile, you are correct – the next generation will view “news” the same way I view The Blaze, Breitbart, and (frequently) HuffPo: Infotainment at best, and pure unadulterated radioactive bullsh*t otherwise.

        • Got news for you pal, nobody likes people who are right most of the time. Puts you into the John Adams category of “I am obnoxious and disliked”. Good company though.

  36. gmanfortruth says:

    Still here, having some computer issues

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