Abortion, Let’s Talk Continued

New thread to speed up loading times. Open Mic can be included now. Great conversation folks! 🙂 Glad to have Mathius, Buck and Black Flag coming back to join in when they have the time. Great article Mathius, it really promoted good discussion, you can write anytime!



  1. Very good week! 🙂 Anita, the trick to a good harvest, chicken poop. Thought you would like to know 🙂

    • Bah! I didn’t fertilize at all this year. Got lucky with an almost daily rainfall…seemed that way anyway..and have more veggies than I intended on. Bought a decorative rock at the greenhouse and put it in a corner of the garden when I planted… It.says “Grow Dammit”..I think that did the trick. 🙂

  2. Ahhhh….you have to love it……just saw, what has to, the top two greatest insults to first grade intelligence ever….

    1) The military judge presiding over the Hasan trial made a public statement..”real transparency”, is releasing to the public, the letters that Hasan has written since being incarcerated. So, he allowed all of the prosecutions documents released to the public. Letters to the now dead Alawaki asking forgiveness and praising Allah. Letters to Fox News and others explaining the jihad against the United States, saying that Sharia Law and Western Law will never live together and that it is not meant to live together……etc…..

    The insult?…….Jay Carney still says that the official WH statement of workplace violence still stands.

    (2) While watching the House Committee investigation of the IRS, the IRS turned over 5 percent of the requested documents…1300 pages…..over 90 percent of the pages totally redacted….a black sheet of paper….being held up to the cameras…..some pages had as many as six words on them…..”and” “the” “a”…………and the acting commissioner saying that they are complying and have “nothing to hide”…..

  3. Wow! Go away to the internet-free northwoods for a week and look what I missed! Hate it when you guys are having fun while I’m away having fun! LOL!

  4. Tell me…..ppuuullleeessseeee tell me this is not true.

    Seattle officials call for ban on ‘potentially offensive’ language
    Published August 02, 2013
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/02/seattle-officials-call-for-ban-on-potentially-offensive-language/?test=latestnews#ixzz2arFWjwmK

    • I am in trouble now. I am a citizen and a brown bagger.

      I guess Col. you and I are just old fuddy-duddies.

      • I had to look it up. Various research including the left sided wiki…..brown bag originated in England and referred to school boys carrying books in brown briefcases. All the others referred to brown bagging as lunch sacks. Only one reference I found referred to skin color came from a Howard University ( and we know how Howard University is ) study that referenced Washington DC post civil war, where certain areas there perceived lighter brown skin less aggressive than darker skinned people and supposedly used a brown paper sack to measure skin color before acceptance into barbershops and other establishments. This was in the beloved North…..not the South.

        But, can you believe that the term birthday, Halloween, and others are now all offensive. Unbelievable. I wonder how the term “resident citizen” would go over.

  5. Judy Sabatini says:

    Before too long, we won’t be able to say anything without it being offensive to anybody. This is getting so ridiculous anymore. Heck, change the color of the damn bags then if it’s so offensive, next thing you know, brown bags will be considered racist. Enough is enough already.

  6. OMG – Mathius is back. Black Flag is back. And it’s the same old topics and arguments!

    It’s like Deja Vu All Over Again.

    What’s that definition of insanity?

    Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results…


    • Okay, Todd let’s hear your proposal on how to change the discourse here to be more useful. I proposed something a few days back which you can go read. I agree with you that we seem to go around in circles and often get side tracked on emotional issues that are not germane to the fundamental problems the country is facing.

      Ben Franklin had his Junto Club which was a debating society. I am sure part of its purpose beyond entertainment was to sharpen the debating skills of the participants. This site has been very good at that but poor on coming to consensus that could be then broadcast to a broader audience. Consensus with this diverse group may not be possible.

      • “Consensus with this diverse group may not be possible.”

        Sort of like the sane (the left) trying to reason with the insane (right) … 🙂

  7. SYG , SYG, SYG!!!!!!!!!! (sorrry Charlie..I just had to post this 😉 )

    WARREN, Mich. (WXYZ) – Warren police say a Craigslist robbery backfired on a crook.
    It happened Thursday night around 6:00 p.m. A man was trying to sell his iPhone and met the “buyer” at a local McDonald’s parking lot.
    Investigators say that buyer ended up taking the phone from the seller and punching him in the face.
    The crook took off, but the seller went after him.
    “I just met up with an individual who was supposed to buy a phone from me. He assaulted me.. took the phone and ran… I chased him down,” he told the 911 dispatcher.

    The Sterling Heights man who made that call says he ran after the crook through a parking lot and says the bad guy tried to assault him again, but never got the chance.

    “He stopped and then I showed him that I had a firearm and he just laid on the ground. I’ve apprehended him. Can I get somebody .. officer out here please?”, he says on the 911 call.

    Police say there were witnesses everywhere and when the cops got there they found the crook on the ground.
    Investigators say he had a getaway car waiting for him, but since the iPhone owner turned the tables on him, he never got away.

    “He basically sits on the guy ’til we get there. We arrest him and then we find in possession of the bad guy…counterfeit cash,” says Jere Green, Warren Police Commissioner.

    The victim told police that he never pointed the gun at the thief …he “showed” it it to him.

    “As law enforcement we can’t condone citizens taking the law into their own hands, but I believe people have the right to defend themselves as well. I think that’s what this person did,” says Commissioner Green.

    Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/police-craiglist-robbery-ends-with-victim-turning-the-tables-on-crook#ixzz2avXQXPWO

    • This is fine, Anita, my love … so long as he didn’t shoot to kill over a dopey iPhone, I don’t have a problem with it. I don’t have a problem with guns. Had he shot and killed the guy, then I have a problem … nobody should die because of an iPhone … except maybe the putz who designed it … 🙂

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Die? No, not over personal property. A bullet to the ass? You bet! Thieves will not stop until there are serious repercussions. Jail don’t seem to be it. Enter house, die. Steal, take a bullet. Run, take two bullets, one to each knee. The word will get out in time and they will get jobs flipping burgers.

  8. Just A Citizen says:
  9. Just A Citizen says:
  10. Baseball getting ready to hand out some hefty suspensions over the use of performance enhancing drugs…….comments?

    • These players serve as heroes to youngsters. The only way to stop it is with sever penalties. Lance Armstrong got cancer because of the drugs. That should be first and foremost in every article about him.

      That said I have never been a big fan of pro sports. It comes from my Dad. In his younger years he was a big baseball fan. Then while in the Air Force in HI, he got to know Joe DiMaggio personally. Dad frequently played ball against Joe and the other big league players in HI. He said he was the poorest sport he ever met. Of course the papers always played up what a great sport Joe was. After that Dad cared very little for pro ball.

    • cheaters should have to return some of the money they stole. Without the drugs they would not have likely made as much money (which is way too much).

      • I can agree with that, Gman … when you can agree that baseball turned a very blind eye to the restoration of their game via a fugazy (drug induced) home run derby … both sides equally guilty … the most just solution would be for the mindless public to boycott the game (I have since way back when they allowed the designated hitter and started moving home run fences in) … but one of the problems with boycotting is the corporate dollars tied up in season tickets, etc. … sound familiar? Corporate dollars destroying America little by little …

        At least it appears this time the players union is going along with the suspensions … I’m wondering if they’re seeing the writing on the wall … that baseball will soon become what hockey was a few years ago (the least watched sport) … they sure deserve it.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Ok, I can go along with that!

          • And I’m not at all for guaranteed contracts … that’s absurd (same as tenure) … on the other hand, since they are the entertainment people pay to see, I want the owners to open their books and provide some form of equitable revenue sharing … nobody goes to see the owners …

  11. Curious on what SUFAites think of the latest warnings?

    1 – Valid? But why announce to the entire world what we are doing? Couldn’t the embassies just be “quietly” closed? Travel warning I understand, but embassy announcement seems ridiculous.

    2 – Not Valid? And if there is no “big event”, it will be because they were able to get so much information from their NSA and other tappings, that there is no way ANYONE could say they are doing too much. How convenient, right?


  12. Interesting thoughts by Hagmann:


  13. More interesting talk on baseball..there is a growing movement for lifetime suspensions and removal of all records.

    • All for removal of records … but I want MLB (the owners) to pay a price too … for allowing steroids to restore their game … let them give back to the fans … free tickets for a full season is a nice start … make it a lottery … they can all afford it.

  14. Riddle me this, Charlie. Your beloved government threw out all private companies that had anything to do with student loans…..took it over. Nationalized it like you want…..raised the rates and at the end of 2013, your beloved government takeover will rake in over 50 BILLION in profit…..on the backs of the very people that they are supposed to help. They will make more profit off the little guy than Exxon/Mobile. By the way, none of the profit goes back into the student loan program. It is projected that at the end of 2015, the student loan profit TOTHE GOVERNMENT will be over 300 billion off the loans they made in the last two years. The government takeover is a capitalist operation….as they all are the world over.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      But, but, but, nationalizing is for the greater good! Look at healthcare and how it will end up? Oh! It will end up the same way, pretending to help the greater good 🙄

    • ” Your beloved government …”

      Now Colonel, I KNOW that YOU know better than this. If anything, this is YOUR beloved Government … a government OWNED by corporations and/or the 1% … something YOU ARE will to go to war and defend … so let’s be honest here. Would THIS government, as is, really be MY government? I think not … not at all … anarchy is a pipe dream further from reality than a socialist utopia … but a capitalist economy is a utopia only for those in control and those those in control allow some extra breathing space (the other 1%) … the other 98% suffer the consequences while having to give up the bulk of THEIR labor.

      So, I say, this isn’t my government … except maybe Bernie Sanders … I say, line this government up and shoot them … or deport them to Qatar … no problem with that. A government TRULY representative of the people is one even I would fight or go to war for … but this government is not MY government, Colonel … it’s YOURS …


      PS. It seems healthcare costs are coming down in some states … wow, imagine that? And this healthcare plan is a fugazy one as far as I’m concerned. I’m all for single payor … universal … everybody gets Medicaid.

      • Heh heh…you are not the only one with a “stirring stick”…..I like to stir your pot some, you know. Of course, I know this is not your government but isn’t it ironic that the government decided to harpoon the private sector only to do what the private sector does?

        On your health care issue, I am going to have to see where this is occurring…everyone that I know has an increase of 25% minimum. And, I would be interested in knowing what brought the healthcare cost down……so, I think I will look around and see what I can find….I can devote about 30 minutes to this research before my day gets going.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Charlie, all governments are owned by the 1%, even the most socialist one’s. Healthcare costs going down in some states? This is what happens when people can’t afford it anymore. Overall, I side with the Colonel, HC costs are still, overall, on the rise. 🙂

  15. Charlie, here is what I found:

    Total health care spending in the United States is expected to reach $4.8 trillion in 2021, up from $2.6 trillion in 2010 and $75 billion in 1970. To put it in context, this means that health care spending will account for nearly 20 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), or one-fifth of the U.S. economy, by 2021.

    Many consumers and small employers are struggling to afford their health insurance premiums. Some employers are not able to offer health care coverage at all. For firms with fewer than 10 employees, only 50 percent offered coverage to their workers in 2012.2

    As a result:

    49 million Americans lacked health insurance in 2011.

    Those consumers with health care coverage experienced a 7.2 percent increase in their share of health care costs between 2011 and 2012. Health care costs for American families in 2012 exceeded $20,000 for the first time.

    Increasingly, Americans are having problems paying for care — 26 percent report they or a family member had problems paying medical bills in the past year. Fifty-eight percent of Americans reported foregoing or delaying medical care in the past year.

    Escalating health care costs also are straining federal and state budgets, hindering the nation’s ability to pay for important initiatives needed to address other significant issues.

    The rate of increase has slowed in the past decade — from 9.5 percent in 2002 to 3.9 percent in 2010.6 But the rate of health care cost increases continues to be well above the general rate of inflation.

    Health care spending in the United States totaled nearly $2.6 trillion in 2010. Of total spending, half (51 percent) goes to pay the cost of medical services provided by hospitals and physicians. Prescription drugs spending accounts for 10 percent. While prescription drug costs represent a significant portion of overall health spending, this is one area where there has been some recent success in slowing the growth in spending. From 2009 to 2010, prescription drug costs grew by just 1.2 percent while hospital and physician costs grew by 4.9 percent.

    While private health insurance administrative costs sometimes receive a significant amount of political attention, they represent only 3.75 percent of overall national spending on health care.

    Wasteful spending likely accounts for between one-third and one-half of all U.S. health care spending. Price Waterhouse Coopers calculates that up to $1.2 trillion, or half of all health care spending, is the result of waste.An Institute of Medicine (IOM) report estimated unnecessary health spending totaled $750 billion in 2009 alone. The biggest area of excess is defensive medicine, including redundant, inappropriate or unnecessary tests and procedures. Other factors that contribute to wasteful spending include non-adherence to medical advice and prescriptions, alcohol abuse, smoking and obesity.

    The growing burden of chronic diseases adds significantly to escalating health care costs. Researchers predict a 42 percent increase in chronic disease cases by 2023, adding $4.2 trillion in treatment costs and lost economic output. Much of this cost is preventable, since many chronic conditions are linked to unhealthy lifestyles. For example, obesity accounts for an estimated 12 percent of the health spending growth in recent years.

    Life expectancy in the U.S. reached 77.9 years in 2007, up significantly from 62.9 years in 1940. Individuals who are age 65 or older, who spend much more on health care services than younger people, will comprise nearly one-fifth of the population by 2050.

    The new taxes that will be levied on insurers under the Affordable Care Act in the next several years. it is estimated that the combination of the new Health Insurer Fee and Reinsurance Contribution will add approximately 3.5 to 4.5 percent to the cost of health insurance coverage. The new taxes have been estimated to increase the cost of health coverage by nearly $5,000 per family over the next decade.

    This sure does not point to lower costs to me. But what do I know….I am just an ignorant old retired Colonel who knows nothing.

    • This looks like it was lifted from another right wing rag, colonel …. 🙂

      But I’m not a fan of Obamacare … all it did was guarantee insurance companies, 30,000,000 new customers … universal healthcare is the way to go … and, yes, we can afford it … the sooner we quit letting the 1% hijack the economy, the sooner we can afford a lot of quality of life issues that would benefit THE GREATER GOOD!!!!!


      • Actually.no, Charlie, I did not life this from the right wing blogosphere nor did I copy Fox. I do, however, subscribe to several financial rags that compares costs and things. This came from the Wall Street Journal. You can learn a lot by following the money. So, financial rags tend to be more accurate. People will not invest in areas where costs are going to escalate.

        • “So, financial rags tend to be more accurate.”

          good documentary on this … and it shows the financial rags are as manipulated as the left wing rags … so it goes.

    • Did find this: Highest health care in the Nation. In descending order, 7. Rhode Island 6. New York 5. Delaware 4. Maine 3. Connecticut 2. Alaska 1. Massachusetts and DC, which is not a state, actually comes in as the highest.

    • Don’t forget all the new state and federal employees being hired to run this monstrosity. I am sure their costs will not be considered healthcare expenditures hence will not be seen in the statistics.

  16. @ JAC………Hmmm…seems like I posted a map on here a year or so ago outlining the countries to watch for…..seems that the countries I mentioned are all on the danger list now… But what do I know….I am just an ignorant old retired Colonel who knows nothing.

    So….now that Obama has decided to close all these embassies……is he now guilty of Islamophobia?

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Obama is now guilty of being a woos! He is the weakest whimp of a Prez since Carter, what a shame. What this really means is he don’t want any Muslims killed by our security staff at these places. One must look at both sides of the picture 🙂

      • Actually, I see it quite different than that. He cannot afford another scandal with the 2014 elections right around the corner. However, if he wanted to play CIC on a large scale, it would have been very easy to put a platoon of Marines in 20 embassies and that would deter any attack. He needs to look concerned and thoughtful because of the negative press on Benghazi. There are several things about to come out about Benghazi, including people who have been silenced by non disclosure agreements. One of the biggest rubs on Benghazi is why he ignored the warnings. Now, he is making a public show of “listening” to intelligence so he can see that the Benghazi thing was just a fluke.

        But Carter still holds the wimp category by a slight margin. At least Obama allowed a hit. Carter would have sent a carton of peanuts.

        • How is it that Obama is, simultaneously, a giant wuss AND an imperialistic war-monger?

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Mathius, I’ve accused Obama of lots things with many not so kind names. Warmonger is rather kind, and he is not a W by any stretch .

            • So he’s “worse than a warmonger” but still “better than W”?

              Well at least there’s that..

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Concerning war that is, W was a much better liar, for what it’s worth.

              • W had the advantage of massive fear-mongering to back up his war-mongering.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Yes he did. Obama said Al Qeida is on the run, so he helps fund them in Syria then tries poorly to scare people. This govt is more frightening than a bunch of ragheads. 🙂

          • Hi Mathius……who said or implied war monger? I am coming from a political perspective. Are you stirring the pot ala Charlie style?

            Before I forget my manners….how is the missus and the youngster?

            • You didn’t call him a warmonger.. but others seem to think this of him.. I’m just trying to figure out how he can be both at the same time.

              The wife is good, and that baby is wonderful.. starting to walk run everywhere. She’s got the coordination of a bull in a china shop, but she’s as sweet as they come. How are you and yourn?

              • Doing well, sir….once they discover run….just put away all the sharp corners and stuff….it will be this way awhile. They will crash and burn a few times but just pick em up and start em off again. This is a fun age……

                I can see where some get that on war mongering……he said Bush was a cowboy adventurists and he would not do that……oops…..he has started the same amount of conflicts by being an interventionist 60’s style.

              • he said Bush was a cowboy adventurists

                Probably because Bush was a cowboy “adventurist”

                and he would not do that……

                I do recall him saying something along these lines…

                oops…..he has started the same amount of conflicts by being an interventionist 60′s style.

                Maybe. It’s probably fairly tough to quantify. However, I’d suggest that a “limited engagement” in Uzbeki-beki-beki-stan-stan is equivalent to the massive boondoggle that is Iraq/Afghanistan.

              • That should read “is not”.. that is, a “limited engagement” in some random hell-hole is not the same as an interminable multi-year, multi-trillion dollar, multi-thousands dead war.

                So, while both might be considered “cowboy adventurism,” one is clearly much worse in my humble opinion.

  17. Talk about sheeple (workers pissing on workers) … boy have most of yous here been hoodwinked:

    • At least, they used the term politicians…and did not differentiate between parties. And, they are spot on that money buys the Presidency and the Congress. Until you change the finance laws, it will never change.

  18. Pot stirring…..pot stirring….(you are right Charlie, this is fun)…

    Virginia gun crime drops, as state’s firearms sales soar
    Published August 04, 2013

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/04/virginia-gun-crime-drops-as-firearms-sales-soar/?intcmp=trending#ixzz2b6zap2BW

  19. @ Mathius…….you have a HUMBLE opinion……I will agree it is not a full scale war….but it really does not matter the degree does it? Syria and Egypt will be a minimum 10 year involvement….me thinks.

  20. Boy…that did not come out correctly…….it should read….a war is still a war….and there is no suck thing as a limited engagement….so does the degree of involvement matter…..the fact is involvement where we should not be. Verdad?

  21. I’m just going to say it: For the love of God, can we please, please, PLEASE stop talking about terrorism as if it’s a real threat to your safety?

    Let’s worry about heart disease, ground water contamination, GM food, cancer, auto safety, murder rates, hell, let’s worry about vending machine deaths and Sharknados™. But for the love of all that’s holy, “terrorists” are not something we as a people should be spending our collective energy on, nor killing over.

    Please. Let’s all just move on with our lives.

    This is something worthy of your legitimate worry.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I agree! How do you see GMO foods and do you think they are healthy ?

      • I think pretty much every food we eat (and have eaten for generations) is GMO to some degree or another. GMO doesn’t typically mean that they’re directly modifying the DNA of a seed in a lab somewhere by injecting it with DNA-laden gold pellets or vector viruses. It just mean that they’re deliberately breeding plants in such a way as to produce a desired result (this one resists blight x and that one resists blight y.. let’s see if we can put them together and get something that resists blights x and y, and then breed more of that). This is something we started doing (albeit less intensively) in Mesopotamia.

        I think GMO is a scary sounding term that conjures up ideas of mad scientists in lab coats doing things with beakers and Bunsen burners and bio-hazard suits. Something out of a (RIP) Michael Crichton novel. And I think people react to that mental image rather than the realities of what’s going on. It’s little different that creating mix-breed dogs – I like that one’s look and this one’s behavior, so let’s have them make puppies and see if we can get everything we want. It’s much less scary when you put it that way, no?

        That said, I think GMO can be good or bad depending on a number of factors. Primarily, I think the jury is going to be out for a long, long time as to what’s good and what’s harmful. I can tell you that a lot of food sure tastes differently than I remember when I was younger (and that wasn’t so long ago).

        I see GMO as unavoidable in today’s world. There are more mouths to feed and GMO lets farms generate the crops to feed them (and get them to market). It very well might be poisoning me to slow and certain death, but there’s no good way for me to be sure of that. I try to eat non GMO where possible, but if you’ve ever looked into it, you’ll note that even “organic” growers have been cross contaminated and can no longer guarantee that they are, in fact, organic.

        So, in short, it’s (probably) a lost cause which is (probably) more beneficial to society than harmful and (may or may not be) killing me slowly.

        But, I’ll tell you one thing I do know for sure: organic free range chicken tastes one hell of a lot better than those processed strips you buy pre-sliced from Purdue.

        And my (13 month old) drinks organic hormone-free blah blah blah grass-fed milk. Maybe it’s not necessary – maybe I’m throwing my money down the drain, but I think I’d rather do what I can. However, I recognize it’s probably a futile cause – and it’s not like I’ll be able to keep her away from junk processed GMO crap forever. But I’ll still do my best to try – what’s the harm?

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Very interesting synopsis 🙂 I have studied GMO foods for sometime and I see things as the jury is still out on their healthyness. I don’t eat them, or meat that has been fed them. Generally, we eat from crops made from Heirloom seeds, available from the Amish. Many of the seeds are 100 year old family stuff.

          Being you are in the city, you have no choice (without lots of effort and money) but to eat what the grocery stores provide. It took me about 3 years to be free of grocery stores (unless I choose). I would suggest you research more about what you and your family eat. Diabetes and weight problems are not by mistake, it’s what you eat!

          • Being you are in the city, you have no choice (without lots of effort and money) but to eat what the grocery stores provide.

            There are alternative grocery stores. It’s not like I have to shop at the Piggly Wiggly. There are boutique stores that cater to a “more natural / organic” diet. They, of course, cost a little extra, but all things being equal, I generally prefer them.

            Yes, it might be better if I could grow everything in my back yard (about 1/2 acre), but that’s not really a viable option, now is it?

            Diabetes and weight problems are not by mistake, it’s what you eat!

            True, of course. Then again, I eat like a horse (currently enjoying sausage and egg on an everything bagel with lots of tabasco), and I’m 6’1″ / 160 lbs. BP 90/70. And I do nothing resembling exercise. So let’s not discount the importance of the genetic lottery in this equation either.

            Bad food, unhealthy lifestyle, make you more likely to develop poor heath, of course. But they’re not single-handedly deterministic either.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Then again, I eat like a horse . Yes, you are also still young. But do you think about why you eat like a horse? Some little known studies show that GMO foods do not have the vitamins and minerals the human body needs, which makes people hungry, which makes people overeat and/or eat poor choices in food. Both of these cause problems the older we get.

              I wouldn’t count on your genetic lottery to far into the future, your eating habits and lack of exercise will catch up with you soon enough 🙂 Eat healthy my friend and teach your daughter to do the same, it may save her from health problems in her adult years.

              • But do you think about why you eat like a horse?

                I am hyperthyroid. Basically, it’s as if my metabolism is super-charged.

                I eat a ton of food because my body burns it off at a abnormally rapid pace. I like to believe the extra calories are being used to support my massive brain, but that’s just an unproven theory.

                Some little known studies show that GMO foods do not have the vitamins and minerals the human body needs, which makes people hungry, which makes people overeat and/or eat poor choices in food.

                Meh.. maybe, but I have a better theory..

                People overeat because the consumption of food releases endorphines and makes people feel good / satisfied. It comforts them from stress. It makes them feel happy. And it gives them something to do – often something social.

                Further, fattening / unhealthy foods are cheap. And they are easy. How hard is it to throw a hot pocket in the microwave versus keeping your kitchen stocked with fresh fruit?

                Both of these cause problems the older we get.

                I have no doubt. My metabolism has slowed down somewhat in recent years. I weighed 125 when I went off to college, then peaked at 175 before dialing it (easily) back to a comfortable 160. It takes (almost) no effort to maintain the weight I want – just occasionally passing up that extra slice of pie or passing on a third donut – but I have no doubt that this will get worse and that, by the time I’m 40, I will actually have to watch what I eat if I want to stay were I am.

                Plus food manufacturers are, of course, going to get better and better at marketing to people. I tend to think I’m a pretty tough target and not that easily manipulated, but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit that the occasional commercial makes me want to go buy some unhealthy food item or that I don’t grab the odd junk food from the impulse isle in the grocery store. I can expect this trend to only get worse as the marketers get smarter.

                And finally, of course, the food itself is going to continue to “get worse.” This needs no explanation. Though, I do expect that at some point, medical science is going to be able to offset this trend.

                teach your daughter to do the same

                I don’t eat junk around her. I’m sure she’ll see it here and there, but in front of her, I eat as well as she does. When she mooches a bite, I have no problem giving it to her. Behind her back though, I’m scarfing down the raw cookie dough.

                That said, the girl loves bananas. She’s like a friggin’ monkey, that one. Like a little tiny addict. She weighs about 30 lbs and goes through about 2-3 bananas a day – every day. And she knows they’re there even if we hide them. And she asks for them by name and gets upset when we run out… but you know what, I’m happy to give her all the bananas she wants.

                Many parents would kill to have the issue that their kid wants to eat “too many” fruits. I’m not going to complain. This is one of those “problems” I’m happy to have.

    • No. No we can’t stop talking about it. I don’t car what percentage of people are out there who want my white ass gone. Whatever the number is..it’s there..and I’ll always be aware that anything can go wrong to piss them off..which results in me being dead.

      Why do you guys refuse to acknowledge the threat? I don’t care what the ulterior motives are..who back who with money..the extremists are the hit men..and I don’t like it. So there.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        I think what he was getting at is the constant cacophony in the media and among the politicians. All of which is to help scare us for their goals.

        Otherwise you are simply being rational. There are people who wish to harm us. Be aware and not asleep. Support reasonable and effective defense.

        I think we have gone past the last one.

        As one of my “conservative Republican” friends said right after 9/11. Those SOB’s don’t know it but they beat us already. We will no bankrupt this country just to make sure not a single attack ever happens again.

        • You may be correct about the media fueling the fire. But those two deniers ( 😉 ) don’t even consider terrorism to be a threat to begin with..to them it’s a boogey man. I don’t think so.

        • Close.

          What I’m getting at is that fear of “t’rrism” is tantamount to fear of sharks. Yes, sure, it kills people here and there. But really, you’re pretty safe – and you’re extra safe by staying out of certain areas. Yes, you could hit the loser-jackpot and be in the building where they that one-time managed to kill 0.001% of the US population. Yes, sure, keep in mind that “they’re out there and want your white ass gone.” Sure, why not store that somewhere in the back of your head.

          But there is no logical assessment where they merit the level of fear and devotion of resources (in terms of lives and dollars and the destruction of civil liberties) which we spend to eliminate the “threat.” Especially if you live somewhere other than NYC, DC, or LA (seriously, why would even the most hardened terrorist bother attacking the rust belt?).

          Meanwhile, your odds of dying in a car crash is staggeringly higher. Same with cancer. Same with murder (non terrorist-style). Same with slip-and-fall accident. Same with choking on your double-quarter-pounder-with-cheese. Same with dog attack. Same with cattle stampede. Same with heart attack. Same with drowning in the bathtub. Same with stroke. Same with firearm accident. Same with influenza. Same with diabetes. Same with HIV/AIDS. Same with being crushed to death by a vending machine. Same with earthquake. Same with fire. Same with hurricane. Same with tornado.

          In the list of things we, as a nation, should worry about, “t’rrism’ should rank somewhere between the high price of movie tickets and that weird feeling when one of your shoes suddenly feels too tight but the other one fits just fine I mean, what is up with that, right? They fit normally yesterday, did one of my feet grow overnight or something? Weird..

          We will no[w] bankrupt this country just to make sure not a single attack ever happens again.

          Not far off from my assessment: When a bee stings you, it’s not the bee’s venom that can kill a person, it’s the immune system’s over-reaction – that is, the allergic response in overdrive. 9/11 was terrible, don’t get me wrong, but it was hardly even a bee-sting to the safety, security, power, and wealth of this country.. but ooh boy, did our allergic reaction do a lot more damage to us than the terrorists ever could have.

          • Just A Citizen says:


            Well said. I see you have been visiting with DPM again. 😉

            We forget that our intelligence worked before 9/11. What did not work was the agency people responsible for acting on the information. The evidence of the terrorists was in plain sight.

            I am guessing that these guys would have been caught in advance today without any increase in the intelligence gathering or the subversion of our liberty that has happened since.

            A little more “profiling” at the air port and a little less frisking of everyone. Cost savings anyone.

            • A little less PC would do wonders as well. Have watched some info coming out of the Hasan trial and it just disgusts me how the PC culture allowed this evil man to do his work on behalf of Allah.

              • A little more PC might show some respect for the rights and liberties of innocent people who simply have the misfortune to seem (to you) too similar to people you are irrationally afraid of.

            • A little more “profiling” at the air port and a little less frisking of everyone. Cost savings anyone.

              Or…… How about NOT profiling.

              How about locking the goddamn cockpit door with a blast-proof barrier, plus some training that says that, even in a hostage situation, control of the plane is never to be surrendered. Maybe consider giving the stewards / stewardesses* some defensive training, maybe stun guns / cattle prods.

              Ooh, or have emergency sleeping gas able to be instant-released from the overheads at the push of a button from the cockpit. Terrorists start getting uppity, pilot pushes the button, everyone in the cabin goes to sleep, open hatch, eject terrorists, close hatch, continue to destination – everyone wakes up later en route.


              There are lots of better ways to do this than selectively anal-probing innocent people just because their skin is brown or they pray to a different god than you.

              *Trivia: “stewardesses” is the longest word in the English language which can be typed (properly) exclusively with the left hand. (hypolimnion** is the right hand’s longest – I don’t know what that means)

              ** I looked it up. It’s the (lower and colder) layer of water below the thermocline (in certain lakes).

              • gmanfortruth says:

                In the 007 world, your idea would work, but reality don’t allow it, just ask an Anethesist (sp?).

                I do agree, terrorists are ba rare way to die, and yes Anita 🙂 , it’s just the boogieman in your closet at night. Just like the Cold War with Russia, it’s all just to suck more of your money and rights away from you!

              • Just A Citizen says:


                Bull puckey my friend. Profiling is the proper way to run the airport security.

                It doesn’t mean only brown people. The Israelis have done it for decades. And ALL their passengers are brown people.

              • GMAN

                just ask an Anethesist (sp?).

                Of course, my suggestion was tongue in cheek. I happen to know that anesthesia does not work the same on all people and what’s a minimum dose for one person can easily be lethal to another. For what it’s worth, I personally, am highly resistant to most drugs – for my back problem, I’ve used naproxen, vicoden, codine, celebrex, hydrocordone, morphine, and a dozen more, and I might as well be popping pez. They don’t even take the edge off. What little does work tends to wear off very quickly. Alcohol (in larger doses) seems to be the only drug which actually works on me as a pain killer / muscle relaxer.. but, err, the side effects make it somewhat problematic.

                Other interesting notes:
                1. Red heads (I am not a red head) require more anesthesia than non-red heads. As a group, they have a mutation which renders them highly resistant. Go figure.
                2. If you are in pain, you can safely take a dose of morphine which would kill you if you were not in pain. I find this extremely interesting that the same dose could be safe or lethal depending only on whether you’re in pain when you take it. I further wonder if you could treat a morphine overdose by inflicting pain.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Sounds like profiling is the only good solution to the answer. But don’t worry, they won’t do that. Airport security is all theater and has nothing to do with stopping bad guys, it’s about teaching people compliance to govt directions. As the cops get more militarized and make more lethal mistakes (not to mention overkill in many case), you will start to see the erosion of rights, like in NYC (stop and frisk). Did you know that, according to the DHS, you have no 4th Amendment rights within 100 miles of any US border? Little things add up, as they are everyday.

              • Airport security is all theater and has nothing to do with stopping bad guys,


                Now can granny please have her knitting needles back?

                it’s about teaching people compliance to govt directions.


                You already said it correctly: “Airport security is all theater”

                To imply that it’s about teachign compliance suggests that the government has a deliberate and malicious plan.

                Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

                Did you know that, according to the DHS, you have no 4th Amendment rights within 100 miles of any US border?

                No, but can you support this? “Within 400 miles of any us border” is pretty much the entire country except for a few fly-over states. That’s the entirety of both seaboards plus AZ, NM, LA, MS, AL, MT, ND, MI, WI, and OH. Also a huge chunk of TX – possibly all of it – I didn’t feel like measuring – all of Hawaii and most of Alaska.

                That seems like a likely exaggerated statement to suggest that 4th Amendment doesn’t apply in all of that. I mean, that’s all probably 90% of the population of the United States.

  22. 15 gun control bills before New Jersey Gov Christie (from John Lotts blogspot)
    As if New Jersey doesn’t already have enough gun control laws, they apparently haven’t had trouble coming up with even more proposals.

    A3687: Bans those on the federal terrorist watch list from buying guns

    S2468: Allows impounding motor vehicles if driver unlawfully has a gun

    A3717: Requires state to submit data on those who should be barred from owning guns to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System

    A3796: Gives those who possess illegal guns 180 days to dispose of them

    A3797: Requires New Jersey enforcement agencies to report information on lost, stolen and discarded guns to federal databases

    A3583/1613: Establishes School Security Task Force

    A3788: Turns state regulation that firearms owner info is not public information into a state law

    A3659: Bans the .50-caliber rifle — the most powerful weapon available to civilians

    S1279: Upgrades penalty for unlawfully transferring a firearm to an underage person; permits transfer for instruction and training

    S2430: Declares violence a public health crisis and establishes “Study Commission on Violence”

    S2715: Requires Department of Education to prepare and distribute pamphlets on how parents can limit a child’s exposure to media violence

    S2719: Enhances penalties for gun trafficking firearms offenses

    S2720: Clarifies that information concerning the total number of firearms purchaser identification cards and permits to purchase a handgun issued in a municipality are public records

    S2804: Makes unlawful possession of firearms a first-degree crime; increases mandatory minimum sentences under the “Graves Act”

    S2723: Senate President Stephen Sweeney’s “centerpiece” bill on gun permits that would would encode firearm purchase permits on a driver’s license or a photo ID card, create a system for instant background checks, require gun buyers to show they completed a safety training course and stiffen penalties for letting guns slip into the hands of minors. Four bills passed by the Assembly (A3510, A1683, A3645 and A3748) have been incorporated into this bill

  23. Tim Allen Discusses Deen’s Use Of N-Word


    July 29, 2013

    As Paula Deen continues to catch heat for her numerous alleged racist remarks, comedian Tim Allen has offered up his own views regarding the use of the N-word.

    The 60-year-old Home Improvement star was interviewed by Tampa Bay Times critic Eric Deggans on the day “controversy ignited over Paula Deen’s admitted use of that slur in 1986.” Defending use of the word, Allen told the newspaper, “(The phrase) ‘the n-word’ is worse to me than n*****.”

    Allen said of Deen’s predicament, “I’ve had this argument on stage a million times. I do a movie with Martin Lawrence and pretty soon they’re referring to me, ‘Hey, my n*****’s up.’ So I’m the n***** if I’m around you guys but seven feet away, if I said n*****, it’s not right. It’s very confusing to the European mind how that works, especially if I’ve either grown up or evolved or whatever, it literally was growing up in Colorado, with Hispanics and Anglos, that’s all I remember. So when Paula Deen (admits her language), they go after her, and now we’ve gone backwards in the world. She said n***** in ’83 or something?”

    RELATED: Paula Deen Denies New Racist Claims

    He added, “You want to take the power away from that word so that no one is offended by it.” Deggans writes that this comment leads to Allen telling a “50-year-old joke by [Lenny] Bruce about how President [John F.] Kennedy could defuse slurs by using them to describe Jewish, Italian and black people in his cabinet.”

    “If I have no intent, if I show no intent, if I clearly am not a racist, then how can ‘n*****’ be bad coming out of my mouth?”

    RELATED: Paula Deen’s Emotional TODAY Interview

    Allen didn’t stop there, “In Webster’s old dictionary the word ‘n*****’ means unemployed and indigent dock worker. That’s one definition. So I said, (to my brother) in that case …he lives in Boston and he’s not employed …so you’d be a n*****. And he goes, yeah. If my brother told me not to call him a dingleberry in front of my mother, ‘cause I knew it pissed him… pisses me off. As soon as Mom left, and I wanted to piss him off? I’d say ‘dingleberry, dingleberry, dingleberry.’ So if you’re around a word to be problematic for you and low intellect or uninvolved people find that out, they’re gonna call you n***** all day long ’cause they know you don’t like it. And I said, so this debate rages in the public, but when it gets to the comedy world, we’re not even allowed to say it, and I gotta refer to it as the N-word, F-word, B-word …it gets all the way down the line. It gets really intense; we’re running backwards.”

    Following the Last Man Standing’s controversial comments Deggans writes that Allen “comes close to sounding like a well-meaning white guy who may not understand how tenuous the ground he’s walking on could become.”

    Allen tells ET following the release of this TBT story that he was not defending Deen, and “if I offended anyone, it was not my intention.”

    • gmanfortruth says:

      NIGGER! Strange, it just don’t mean much anymore. Why call someone a stupid name anyway? Looking at it in print, so what?

  24. Just A Citizen says:


    Re: Your comment on the middle east map and POTUS’s embassy closures.. Combined.

    I saw a talk on late night CSpan the other night by some fella that has been studying the Islamic history. One very interesting comment which he backed up with “supposed” anecdotes of discussions with “modedrate” Muslims.

    A moderate Muslim is one who believes the world should convert to Islam but thinks it will take decades or centuries. Conversion by assimilation, all very peaceful and depending on the willingness of the “infidels” to convert………..voluntarily.

    The radical Muslim believes that conversion should be forced NOW. By the sword if necessary.

    The key point he made was that we are forced to deal with the Radicals due to their violence. But when we appear weak or “accommodating” to the radicals this has a chilling affect on the moderates. Because they figure “well maybe we’re wrong and conversion will be sooner than later”.

    The result is two fold. Some moderates become more radical or they withdraw and are less likely to engage in anti-radical discussion publicly.

    If this hypothesis is correct then our appearance of weakness is double damning. Anyone with half a brain would know it weakens our position in the Arab/Persian world to appear weak. Especially among the more radical. But if it is having a detrimental affect on the moderates then appeasement magnifies the potential “future” problems.

    This includes those “moderates” within the USA. At least according to this fellow.

    Hope all is well in the Republic today. A warm 90 plus today.

    Best to you and yours

    • He is not far off….I actually view the moderate as more dangerous. Dangerous is defined as under the radar. I do not subscribe to the theory that we have nothing to fear….I still wear my T shirt emboldened with the American Flag that says “proud to be infidel”…..the PC police will have to deal with it…this is MY country.

      Hope you and yours are doing well.

      • I do not subscribe to the theory that we have nothing to fear

        This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today.

        This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper.

        So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself: nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.

  25. Hmmm, second message I’ve seen from this guy. Truly a sign of hope! (I do disagree with his positives on the R side – perhaps they will wake up too!)


  26. gmanfortruth says:

    OH MY! SHMEAT is here. Thanks, but no thanks, I like real MEAT!


  27. gmanfortruth says:

    Look Charlie, the future Trayvon Martin’s are alive and well. Some more of Obama’s kids I reckon 🙄 http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/08/vicious-blacks-pummel-white-child-on-bus-2729776.html

  28. Just A Citizen says:


    I almost forgot to respond to your baseball question.

    I think that the use of the growth hormones and other chemicals for the purpose of rehabbing serious injuries should be allowed. This is advantageous to the players and baseball in general. That is if people like watching guys crash into walls and diving for line drives. In that situation it is legitimate medical treatment and therapy.

    The league could easily monitor this process and then clear a player to play when they felt no further drug advantage existed.

    Yes they would get muscle strength and balance back quicker and maybe better. But then it would diminish at the normal rate. I wondered if this was why ARod did so well after his rehab years but then fell off late in the season. Or it could just have been better pitching.

    Zero tolerance for using chems to simply enhance performance. But then they need some slack on the drugs. Like guys testing positive for Allergy steroids or poppy seeds on a muffin.

    Funny how Charlie turned this into the bad rich owners. If the owners did not pay the players a small ransom then the players might not have the incentive to cheat. Perhaps this is the unforeseen circumstances of the “performance based bonuses” many owners started using.

    Frankly the easiest and most fun approach would be to simply enlarge the stadiums and not worry about drugs. Just draw a big black line in the Record Book on the day they made PED legal. We fans will never give these young guys the same credit as OUR HEROES anyway. Although I did think A Rod and Griffey Jr. were as good or better than many of those old timers. Pure talent for talent.

  29. You may have heard of the potential strike by the (SF)Bay area transport employees. Here’s why they were so unhappy – scan over any circle to see what chump change they are making.


  30. gmanfortruth says:

    I’m not quite sure how local govt’s can take property because it is an “eyesore”, but that appears to be the case in this story. Just goes to show that when people lose everything, they lose it completely. http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/08/gunman-opens-fire-at-town-hall-meeting-in-pennsylvania-video-2692626.html

  31. gmanfortruth says:
  32. gmanfortruth says:
    • Do you have anything from a legitimate news source? I don’t click links to Breitbart or Prison Planet.

        • Thanks, Anita!

          1. It’s “100 miles,” not 400 miles. Not that that makes it much better.

          2. “legally speaking, they are “administrative” stops that are permitted only for the specific purpose of protecting the nation’s borders. They cannot become general drug-search or other law enforcement efforts.”

          3. I’d love to see a SCOTUS challenge to an overreach of this. I’d be willing to bet that they’d smack down “border security” searches without probable cause.

          Regardless, though, I’m a big proponent of the 4th Amendment and would very much like to see stronger protections against unwarranted searches in a number of contexts.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Yes, thanks Anita. I don’t care what reason is given, it’s still unConstitutional.

            • General agreement. I’d have to dig in further to see more accurately what, exactly, is going on. Will try to do so when time permits.

              But, just for the hell of it.. my understanding, if the ACLU’s summary is accurate, basically, border security (DHS) can stop you and verify that you’re not a problem for border security. That’s somewhat vague, but I would interpret that as asking for ID and making sure that you’re not in posession of any WMD’s. Does this sound about right?

              Now, if that’s accurate, and that’s a big if, then how would you feel about them being allowed these “4th Amendment Free Zones” within 1 mile of a border? How about 100 feet of a border? Or 5 feet? In other words, playing devil’s advocate, is there a relative closeness to a border at which you think the government has a “legitimate” interest in making sure you’re not doing something you shouldn’t be?

              • Just A Citizen says:


                How soon we forget. The Space Needle bomber was caught at the border due to a standard “drug search” when he tried to cross. Instead of the expected drugs the agents found massive quantity of explosives, etc.

                Border agents don’t need your standard “cause” for search. Because your act of crossing can be all the cause they need. Have a camper? Open it up please, you could be carrying illegal migrants.

                Have a cooler? Open it up please. You could be carrying small people in there or other contraband.

                It is a very interesting experience I assure you.

                Of course crossing into California can be equally interesting. Have any fruit or vegetables? Where do you live and where are you going?? Please open that camper so we can confirm you have no fruit or veggies.

              • I’ve been in and out of Cali more times than I can count. I’ve never once been stopped and questioned about fruit. When flying into Hawaii, they have an short form to fill out, but that’s it.

              • Perhaps you should ask D13 about it….rumor has it he is right in the middle of it.

              • Just A Citizen says:


                Then you must have either flown into and out of California.

                Or maybe they don’t have those check stations on the southern borders.

              • Mathius….below………..

  33. You all know about WaPo sale, blah, blah, blah. WaPo is unionized and Amazon is not. We’ve talked about the pros/cons of unions often on SUFA and I thought this Amazon’s execs reasons for not unionizing is in a nutshell, one of the major obstacles that unions present, ie, their inability to deal with change quickly or even at all. I remember a GM plant located about an hour south of here, that at one time, had 600 people on a one-year paid leave because essentially, robots were now doing their job and “it wasn’t fair” that technology replaced them. Not surprisingly, that plant has now been closed.


    • One hell of an impulse buy, no?

    • I would bet that Bezos moves Washington Post to an online only news source with in 5 years. Of course, optimized for the Kindle 🙂

      • Of course it will be optimized for Kindle!

        But it might also be interesting to see what he does with it.. hell, he could run it like a not-for-profit.. kindof like Amazon!


  34. Just A Citizen says:


    Re FEAR.

    Fear is healthy. Irrational, mind crippling fear is not healthy.

    The debate should not be about NOT FEARING attacks but on maintaining a Fear that is more rational and constructive.

    Politicians, and there money partners, benefit from the irrational fear. We need to find a way to limit their hysteria so the rest of us can FEAR in peace and as appropriate.

  35. Just A Citizen says:


    Re: GMO food.

    Mathius is correct on this one. We need to separate FAKE food from that which is simple selective breeding.

    But even for the FAKE food there are no credible studies showing this affect human health negatively or that the food contains less nutritional values. While the latter can occur the critics ignore the availability of vitaimins and minerals in other foods and supplements that far exceed our daily requirements.

    If not for the vast majority of GMO foods we humans would starve to death.

    So lets focus on the funky stuff, like altering genes to make corn immune to Roundup. Then the political BS of suing the neighbor for Patent Violation when Monsanto’s corn cross pollinates with his.

    • Mathius is correct

      I could get used to hearing that..

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I couldn’t agree more! Te subject is not covered by the MSM much, but there are issues with it that are kept from the public, why else would Monsanto fight so hard against labeling ?

  36. Just A Citizen says:

    One of many reasons I consider Robert Reich to be an EVIL man, and why I challenge his views whenever possible. The guy is a DANGER to Society.


  37. Just A Citizen says:

    Time for a little Stand Up for America moment:


    Stick that in your Stone pipe and smoke it! Bwahahahahaha

    • “because you’re not the indispensable, benevolent nation that we pretend to be.”

      We most certainly are not.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Oh hell YES WE ARE!

      • You missed the arrogant and ignorant part.

        • Now this is funny. Truman is my favorite president … mostly because he was willing to nationalize the steel mills, even if only until the SC fucked that up … but … dropping the bomb, even though I agree with it (overall) … benevolent nation … us? Pa-lllllllllllllllllllllllllease.

  38. Yes, fracking is so safe, gas companies are willing to pay kids to clam up about it:

    • Just A Citizen says:

      They did not pay the kids, they paid the parent in a settlement.

      In reality the parents cannot commit the children to a lifetime of silence. Their authority to stifle their children for money ends when those kids turn 18.

      Oh, and the company itself recently stated that it did not view the gag order as extending to the children.

      As for the impact to the family, did you miss the part about the waste water storage area next door??

      • Right, JAC … everything is fine and dandy in gasland … they just felt charitable and gave away 3/4 of a million … which means they’ll earn 3/4 of a billion off it (or more) … couldn’t possibly be the fracking … uh-uh, no way … blame it on the waste water storage … why they felt compelled to fork over $750 large …

        You really do live in absolute denial … unless you’re just full of shit 🙂

  39. Funny? Sad? Definitely pathetic! When? When will the media finally decide they’ve had enough?


  40. I present for your entertainment:

    The Great Emu War

    Summarizing the first campaign:

    The Emu command had evidently ordered guerrilla tactics, and its unwieldy army soon split up into innumerable small units that made use of the military equipment uneconomic. A crestfallen field force therefore withdrew from the combat area after about a month.

    Major G.P.W. Meredith of the Seventh Heavy Battery of the Royal Australian Artillery:

    If we had a military division with the bullet-carrying capacity of these birds it would face any army in the world…They can face machine guns with the invulnerability of tanks.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      As a back up strategy the Ausies devised a marketing strategy to convince Americans that there was great PROFIT to be made in Emu farming. Populations were quickly reduced as the birds were shipped to the unsuspecting Americans by the thousands.

      Emus in America………….The ticking time bomb.

      Wait until that raptor breeding Texican figures out how to cross breed them.

  41. ::Lurking::

  42. Just A Citizen says:

    Following the theme of Stand Up for America today, here is another one of interest. This time it is health care.


  43. gmanfortruth says:

    Sorry, but this is Bullshit. Eric Holder does not need to travel anywhere to do his job, WTF!

    I’m done with these thieves, as all of you will soon read. 🙂

    • Hi Kathy….my opinion……..(Remember, opinions are like butt holes…everybody has one..some are just bigger than others)…

      It is common knowledge among the elite that Valerie Jarrett has the ear of Obama. It is common knowledge that Valerie Jarrett has called the shot on several things before and then told Obama about it. It is common knowledge that the American Military and valuable assets were in place to prevent Benghazi. ( I do not give a rat’s ass what the pundits and blogs say ) I know for a fact, who was in place, where they were, and when they could have been on station, how long they could have been on station, and how the exit strategy would have been implemented.

      That said, I do believe that Obama acts on a case of plausible denial. I have no proof that Valerie Jarrett called any shots and neither do the people Rush Limbaugh was quoting…..”informed sources”, “insiders”, “white house informants” are all buzz words not intended to protect sources, which is a crock, but to float ideas and rumors across to see if they catch fire.

      I do not think that Valerie Jarrett could call the shots on this…no General or Sec. of Defense is going to let this person call any ,ajor shot like this.

      I firmly believe that Obama and Hillary Clinton conspired on the decision and I personally believe that the both of them left those men to die. I further believe they have ordered and are behind the conspiracy to shut the survivors up and have put them on gag orders under the disguise of National Security. They are more guilty of premeditated murder than was Bush in sending troops into Iraq using faulty intelligence. What Bush did was a tragic mistake and error in judgement. What Obama and Clinton did was negligence and murder.

      THAT is my opinion.

      • Appreciate it!

      • gmanfortruth says:

        As I have said in the past, Benghazi was a hit, to ensure silence on an issue that could never be revealed without serious problems. Obama and Clinton had them killed, period. It’s the why that we don’t know yet.

  44. Buon Compleanno, Principessa … Cinquanta-tre never, EVER, looked so good …

  45. gmanfortruth says:

    @Mathius, You asked for a “legitamate news source” yesterday. Can you provide an example of those that you feel fit the term? I personally can find problems with most all of them.

  46. Took a survey at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette website. They then showed the results of the questions:

    First question shows the liberal majority in PA:
    Do you believe that wealthier individuals should be taxed at a higher percentage rate than others?
    56% Yes
    40% No
    3% I’m not sure
    1% No strong opinion

    Then the Post-Gazette offers a vague question that does not provide any real data:
    How concerned are you right now about the issue of illegal immigration in the US?
    51% Very concerned
    21% Somewhat concerned
    14% A little concerned
    14% Not concerned at all

    And then we see what age groups the PA liberals occupy, and the good news is that the liberal hippy generation provides the foundation and they are dieing off:
    To what broad age group do you belong?
    1% Under 18
    3% 18 – 24
    6% 25 – 29
    7% 30 – 34
    17% 35 – 44
    25% 45 – 54
    26% 55 – 64
    15% 65 or older

    in 20% PA can become a working class state again that embraces hard work and equality as the liberal generation ages out.

    • “in 20% PA can become a working class state again that embraces hard work and equality as the liberal generation ages out.”

      Unless they all die off from fracking poisoning their water … what a dumbass 🙂

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Pittsburgh as most big cities are Liberal. Those in rural areas are the opposite. Not really a good example of Pennsylvanians

      • Good point, G … and not ALL LIBERALS ARE LAZY … for Christ’s sake, FLP, I’ll guarantee you I work AT LEAST as hard as you … probably a lot friggin’ harder … A LOT FRIGGIN’ HARDER … you couldn’t keep my schedule with a SYG gun to your head, brother … 🙂

        • Mathius™ says:

          On behalf of liberals everywhere, I’d like to point out that I, for one, am thoroughly and irredeemably lazy.

          In fact, if you were to hold a worldwide laziness competition, I wouldn’t win because I’m too lazy to have bothered to enter.

          • Yeah, but you’re only half a liberal … 🙂

          • You are not alone Mathius, most Americans are lazy. If you gave a million dollars to most Americans the first thing they would do is quit their job and live a life of luxury and leisure with no plans to work another day in their lives.

            Personally I could not live a life of leisure very long, I prefer to use my time to produce something and not just consume.

            • Mathius™ says:

              A million dollars wouldn’t last me the rest of my life.

              But it would certainly make my life a little easier.

              If you gave me 10mm, though, I’d quit today, live off the interest, and spend all my time reading in a hammock and sipping pina colladas.

            • Try reading … just a suggestion …

              • Actually charlie I read a lot of books, both fiction and non-fiction. In fact I just started reading a book you may be familiar with “Devil in the Grove”.

      • I agree with you GMan. I am from NY, upstate NY. The voting record of NYC does not represent fairly the people of the state but because of it’s population size NYC controls national and state wide elections, even though.their values do not represent the rest of the state.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Now you can see why things are so screwed up. The large populations of the cities, who can vote themselves money from the treasury, have the upper hand on election day. The elections are all fixed anyway and rather useless to engage in. We only have 2 choices, and neither is good. Time to get rid of the political parties, let the Revolution begin 🙂

          • Mathius™ says:

            Have at it.. be my guest. Have your little revolution.

            But after we crush you, will you please sit down quietly?

            • gmanfortruth says:

              It’s not anything to “have at” 🙂 As you can see in Detroit, liberals are destroying themselves in the big cities. Detroit is not alone and there will be many more to follow. Who will suffer? The sheeple who belived the lies. It’s happening overseas as well, see Cyprus as an example of things to come. OUR destruction began along time ago.

  47. @ Mathius…..I am not sure if your comment about flying into or out of California was meant for me…since there were no reply buttons to hit on that particular thread…..BUT…I am referring to this 14th Amendment thing on the border that was being discussed….

    I do not give a diddly-squat-poopadanga about fruits and veggies crossing into/out of/between states.

    Now, to this 14th amendment issue. Here is how it is on the border. Everyone on here knows that this is what I do a lot of until October this year. SOOOOOOOO……

    There is a 1 kilometer rule right on the border. Immigration and customs DOES NOT NEED and DOES NOT USE probable cause. When you choose to cross a United States border, You have given up your right to “reasonable” search. Pure and simple. When you cross the border in a car, you are asked one and only one question to begin with….are you a United States citizen. I have never been asked about fruits, vegetables, drugs, bullets, guns, kidnapped women, DPS grog or the like. You CAN be asked and if caught in a lie…you will be arrested. The cars are mirrored underneath, scanned, and sniffed by dogs. YOU ARE AND WILL BE PROFILED. (get over it). Vans, buses, station wagons are automatically pulled over and searched. I do not care if you are 95 years old and on crutches with IV’s sticking in every vein that you have, You will be searched. Those vehicles are profiled. Period. (get over it). THe dogs are trained to find the following: birds (parrots are more smuggled than drugs are), drugs, gun powder residue, plastique, and produce, The scanners use a “classified” scanning process that will show if: bolts and screws have been loosened or tightened recently, plastique/gun powder residue, fresh oil or grease applied to the frame of the vehicle. If you are Hispanic, be prepared to show that you are an American Citizen or that you are legally in the United States. Yes, that is profiling….get over it. People lie…that is a fact. Up in the crow’s nest, there are agents that are watching everything on camera.

    They have capture cameras that will take a picture of your license plate and will immediately know if that car is tied to anything reported anywhere in the US. They will know where it was bought, sold, to whom, registered, insurance company and name and address…..all within 10 seconds. Every agent on the line is fitted with remote ear receivers. You cannot see them unless you look very hard. There are various profiles to look for on camera and profiles tied to specific brands of cars, motorcycles, vans, buses, etc. ( Get over it )…Every pedestrian is observed from the midline (middle of the bridge) to the check point. EVERY PEDESTRIAN is filmed and watched and there are profiles that wre looked for: Race, age, dress, type of walk, mannerisms….etc. If you are a black person crossing a bridge in Texas wearing a “hoodie” in 115 degree heat……you will be profiled. (get over it)…If you are Hispanic, you will be profiled and stopped at the turnstill. There are dogs on the pedestrian bridge and if you are offended by a nose stuck up your crotch…get over it or dont walk. If you walk from one side of the bridge to another side and back and forth to try to fool the cameras…..it does not work…don’t even try it. You will be detained. If you are a caucasian walking across the bridge in an Armani three piece suit….you will be profiled. IF you are a group of teenagers, no matter the race walking across the bridge, you will be profiled. If you are in a wheelchair crossing the bridge, you will be profiled. (Get over it). The agents in the crow’s nest are very good a spotting the ne’redo wells. VERY GOOD. Sitting in the crows nest with the Feds, are State troopers and military agents. Even if a car is cleared through the Feds, the State troopers and military can still be suspicious but are powerless in the one kilometer area. But they have very fast radios and telephones and will send a “flash priority” license number to the 10 kilometer check point. Outside the border crossing towns at the 10-13 kilometer area are State inspection stations on the highways. You will be searched, sniffed, and scanned. EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE. In the rail yards, every train is searched, manifests checked and cameras are on 24/7. As the train proceeds inland, there are various checkpoints along the way up to the 10-13 kilometer perimeter when the train passes by, cameras are scanning the locks and seals in the doors of freight cars, underneath the cars to make sure no one jumped on the train at anytime, etc. If something has changed from the time it left the yard to the checkpoint, the train will be stopped by armed personnel. (get over it).

    Be advised, that there is no reasonable cause needed or required at these security checkpoints. NONE. I cannot speak for Arizona or California in this next point, but I can speak for Texas and New Mexico. There are roving highway check points, set up at anytime and anywhere, by the state troopers in conjunction with INS agents and National Guard Military…..random. You will be profiled and observed through these checkpoints. (get over it).

    The result……in Texas and New Mexico, the illegal drug trade, weapons, kidnappings, border crossings, human trafficking…….has been seriously hampered. Shootings are down over 80 percent on the border now, drugs have been reduced to a trickle, human trafficking has been deterred by over 80 percent, Why? Because we profile!!! We do what is necessary to shut the border down. The Feds do not patrol outside the towns and cities on the border…Texas and New Mexico state troopers and the National Guard does. What gets past the Feds is even more slowed down by the additional security.

    The word in Mexico now…..don’t mess with Texas or New Mexico (Texas and New Mexico have a reciprocal agreement and world together).Arizona and California (especially California) are considered easy states and amnesty states. The trafficking is going that way.


    • Oh, I might mention, that if you are on a desolate stretch of highway at night and you amble upon a check point…..do not turn off your lights, reverse course and drive away a high speed…..you will not make it. If you are asked…”show me your hands”…..please do it. If you are driving a car with dark tinted windows, do not be offended by 4 million candle watt power lights and your car surrounded by armed personnel….cooperate. If you are driving a U haul truck,please understand that you will be profiled. IF you are driving a U Haul van or truck and you are Hispanic…..you will be doubly profiled. If you are driving u Haul can or truck and your license is from out of state, be prepared to be profiled…no matter the ethnicity. Please do not abandon your car or vehicle and run away into the ranch land or desert…..we will not chase you…but we will send a helicopter out to search for you with infrared and snipers….if the snakes, cactus, and or scorpions to not get you, we will. If we find you and you try to run faster, please don’t…bullets cost money and you will die tired.

    • Mathius™ says:

      Has it occurred to you that if the government were to ends its precious “war on drugs,” 99% of this would be eliminated?

      • Hmmmmm….I would agree that it would solve part of the problem…..BUT….drugs are not the total problem……go ahead and legalize prostitution. Drug are about 50% of the problem…human trafficking is very profitable and is about 30 percent of the problem….guns about 10 percent and birds about 10 percent.

        Now,in Texas and New Mexico, we have seen an 80 percent drop in the drug trade. We measure this by arrests and capture. We have seen a slight increase in bird smuggling. We do not concern ourselves with the migrant worker looking for work….our economy takes care of that. We concern ourselves with the fact that the Coyotes, force drug and bird smuggling on the migrant worker and then they kill them. But, our patrol efforts PLUS the gunboats on the river PLUS the gunboats on our shared lakes are having a significant impat…….there has not been one single robbery or kidnapping on our shared lakes since this introduction and the fishermen love it. You can now water ski without danger, jet boat without danger, fish without danger……on the US side of the lakes…do NOT venture onto the Mexican side of the lake….we can do nothing. We now have buoys showing the border on the lakes…..do not go past them. In the past, our fishermen and water skiers and tourists were being robbed and beaten ON THE US side……but not anymore.

        Now, unless I am wrong, you are an advocate of legalizing and stopping the drug war, so to speak, on marijuana. I can agree. Where I do not agree and will fight against you….are the hard drugs….and it is the hard drugs that are the main culprit….not marijuana….when we find huge marijuana stashes, we have a huge bonfire and stand downwind….BUT…the coyotes are forcing migrants across the border with money belts laced with pure cocaine and other hard drugs….millions of dollars in street value. I do not view cocaine the same as marijuana, tobacco, or alcohol.

        • Mathius™ says:

          Hmmmmm….I would agree that it would solve part of the problem…..

          Ok, well, we’re making progress…

          Drug are about 50% of the problem…

          See, we’re half way there..

          human trafficking is very profitable and is about 30 percent of the problem….

          Great! Let’s legalize prostitution, institute a (real) guest worker, and reform immigration. Ok, now we’re at 80..

          guns about 10 percent

          Wait, guns coming into the country? Don’t we have enough guns here legally? What is going on here! Aren’t we a massive exporter of guns? And if we’re smuggling guns out of the country, shouldn’t that be Mexico’s problem for Mexico’s federales on Mexico’s side of the border under Mexican law? (or, you know, I suppose, Canada’s problem).

          and birds about 10 percent.

          Bird rights do not trump human rights. I feel very badly for the parrots, but I’m afraid they’re just going to have to take the hit on this one.

          Ok, so we fixed 80 percent.. not bad for a day’s work!

        • Mathius™ says:

          you are an advocate of legalizing and stopping the drug war, so to speak, on marijuana. I can agree.


          when we find huge marijuana stashes, we have a huge bonfire and stand downwind

          Invite me along next time..

          Where I do not agree and will fight against you….are the hard drugs….and it is the hard drugs that are the main culprit….not marijuana….

          Here’s the problem I have: who are you (and who am I, for that matter) to tell an independent third party adult human being what they can and cannot do to themselves?

          BUT…the coyotes are forcing migrants across the border with money belts laced with pure cocaine and other hard drugs

          They wouldn’t be doing this if it could be legally imported like tobacco. You don’t see the coyotes smuggling in coffee grounds. Of course not – they’re shipped in safely and ethically through the ports by reputable corporations.

          If coke was legal, we’d either grow it here or, failing that, bulk import it from Colombia by shipping container (probably under armed guard). It would be shipped off to refining warehouses and then sold in CSV stores behind the counter with the Mucinex. People would buy it from the pharmacist. CSV would post record profits, investors would be thrilled, tax revenue would be increased, and everyone would win except the cartels.

          • Just A Citizen says:


            Here is the fault in your argument. Not created by you but by ignoring what the proponents support.

            Legalize it and “REGULATE” it. TAX it.

            Bootlegging was a response to TAXATION not a ban on alcohol. That came later. Bootlegging of cigarettes has been a big crime in the USA my entire life. Again it is to avoid TAXES.

            So if your friends on the left have their way the issues with smuggling may reduce but they will not disappear.

            I also find it interesting how so many will support an adult’s freedom to use drugs of any kind but oppose their right to own a hand gun.

            As for me, I think we could certainly legalize most of them. Then focus on the behavior and results of behavior. Drive drugged, go to prison. Commit crimes while drugged, go to prison. Hook kids on drugs, DIE.

            • Mathius™ says:

              So if your friends on the left have their way the issues with smuggling may reduce but they will not disappear.

              It’s a question of iTunes verse the (aptly named) Pirate Bay or Napster. Sure I can illegally download a copy of a song I want to listen though some shady provider.. but I’m never going to be 100% sure of what I’ll get. I have to worry (however slightly) about getting caught. I have to worry about getting a virus. And it often takes a lot longer. Or I can pay a dollar and get what I want immediately, predictably, and completely safely.

              Sure, people still pirate. People will always pirate. But the vast overwhelming majority will be perfectly happy to shoulder a (small) expense in exchange for safety, predictability, and convenience.

            • Mathius™ says:

              I also find it interesting how so many will support an adult’s freedom to use drugs of any kind but oppose their right to own a hand gun.

              I do?

              • Just A Citizen says:

                I was commenting on the general “left” attitudes.

                Just pointing out yet another of their contradictions.

              • Mathius™ says:

                charlieopera says: “Yeah, but you’re only half a liberal”

            • Mathius™ says:

              As for me, I think we could certainly legalize most of them. Then focus on the behavior and results of behavior. Drive drugged, go to prison. Commit crimes while drugged, go to prison. Hook kids on drugs, DIE.

              Close… very close..

              Hook kids on drugs, DIE [slowly].

              Fixed that for you..

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Thank you. I forgot that part along with the “skin em and hang thar hides on a fence”.

                Right next to the polytickshuns.

  48. Special note to DPM……did you like the brass wound cannon I sent you with the gold inlay firing mechanism? Or did you sell it on the black market?

  49. Just A Citizen says:

    Stand Up for America…………..A libertarian view today, or a little something for Gman and his coming rant on the thieves running the asylum.

    Four Centuries of Surveillance: From Privy Councils to FISA Courts

    Mises Daily: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 by Joey Clark

    As the song [1] says, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

    State power, i.e., power derived from the “political means” of acquiring wealth through force, is nothing more than a pestilence sapping the peace and prosperity of all humankind, and has been manifest in many cruel and unique forms. Whether it be the whip on the back, the sword on the throat, the gun in the face, or grand global hostage taking via the threat of nuclear destruction, it is clear that state power is nothing more than immoral aggression — logically posterior, parasitic, and subservient to economic power, i.e., power derived from the “economic means” of acquiring wealth through production and voluntary trade. Whereas economic power creates wealth and shares this fruit, state power steals wealth and squanders its spoils.

    Yet, despite these self-evident truths about the rapacious nature of state power,[2] some people consider state power to be the “boss” of economic power. Even the most ardent believer in that old chestnut, “we are the government,” cannot seriously suggest we are literally the government. Even those who see the government as a “social club,” a “social contract,” or some mystic representation of “the people,” must admit the club needs an executive committee, the contract needs drafters and enforcers, and the people need enlightened leaders (hence in each case a ruling caste).

    At the root of the matter all such euphemisms are merely an insidious form of apologia — a means to obfuscate whilst upholding the idea that state power is the “boss” of economic power. It is a trick of language used by wolves and sheep alike, giving the wolves an excuse for their predation and the sheep a reason for their fleecing. Put differently, it is a way for the rabble to render their own chains, and with gilded hope and love, give “themselves” the reins. Such egalitarian doublespeak is a crucial tool used by the modern nation state to apologize for state power’s predation upon economic power, allowing the state’s agents to act as tyrants while calling themselves “servants.”

    What a perversion of the truth and the law! I contend, if we wish to stop this predation and the perversion, an initial step should be for libertarians to have our opponents at least speak plainly about the state power they seek to wield!

    Contrary to (or maybe owing to) immoral gimmicks with language, the modern nation-state is afforded a status separate and above the rest of civil society: above not only positive law but natural law. Put simply, a coercive ruling caste exists over the rest of society by virtue of its opaque coercive powers. This fact is evident when one looks at the vast modern bureaucracy commissioned to carry out the Sisyphean task of planning and regulating the lives of the nation’s citizens. Whether it is the IRS, FBI, CIA, NSA, EPA, or some other benign sounding state agency, the modern bureaucracy is drowning the liberty of the American people and their Constitution in a man-made sea of alphabet soup, and it is a slow boil, indeed.

    Those agencies tasked with “keeping the homeland safe”[3] are especially prone to a special status above the law through their clandestine budgets and operations as well as their severe treatment of whistleblowers. Operating in the shadows, the U.S. intelligence community seeks to be the boss[4] of the world’s information in the name of “security.” Due to the heroic action of whistleblowers such as Edward Snowden, the public has now confirmed what they long suspected to be true: the NSA, under the purview of the secret FISA court, has built an “architecture of oppression”[5] which is being used for the transnational collection of free communications of innately free peoples. Contrary to statist claims, the internet as we know it is a creation of free-market entrepreneurship, production, and competition though it is still plagued by government[6] interventions that limit and pervert the potential development of the technology.

    For the state to now be preying upon this free development of economic power in the name of “keeping the people safe” or “fighting the war on terror” is not surprising. As said above, state power has been manifest in many cruel and unique forms, and this particular type of state predation upon the free development of communications has been seen before in the history of the American colonies. Let us turn to the words of Murray Rothbard from his expansive history of colonial America, Conceived in Liberty, as we meet the old boss, same as the new boss:

    Postal service began in the early American colonies as freely competitive private enterprises of varying forms and types. Letters between neighboring villages were sent by special messengers, who were often Indians. For longer journeys, letters were carried by travelers or regular merchants. Letters to or from England were carried by private ship captains, who often hung a bag in the local coffeehouse to receive letters for shipment. The price was generally a penny for a single letter and two pence for a double letter or parcel.

    Unfortunately, English precedent held out little hope for the unhampered development of a freely competitive postal service. In 1591 the Crown had issued a proclamation granting itself the monopoly of all foreign mail, and in 1609 the Crown’s proclamation extended its own monopoly to all mail foreign or domestic. The purpose of this postal monopoly was quite simple: to enable governmental officials to read the letters of private citizens in order to discover and suppress “treason” and “sedition.”

    This is a vivid display of how the state slowly assumes power and wealth from freely developed economic power for the sake of aggrandizing its own interest: state power. In this particular case, a monopoly on all meaningful communications is blatantly for the protection and security of the Crown’s interest and not the colonists sending letters in the Americas and abroad. The purpose of the intervention was explicitly to discover crimes against the state: treason and sedition. At least the state officials at the time were honest with their reasons!

    Rothbard continues his discussion of the Crown’s thinking at the time:

    Thus, when the Privy Council decided in 1627 to allow merchants to operate an independent foreign post, the king’s principal secretary of state wrote sternly: “Your lordship best knoweth what account we shall be able to give in our places of that which passeth by letters in or out of the land, if every man may convey letters under the course of merchants to whom and what place he pleaseth … how unfit a time this is to give liberty to every man to write and send what he list …” And in 1657 when the Commonwealth Parliament continued the English governmental postal monopoly, the preamble of the act stated a major objective: “to discover and prevent many dangerous and bigoted designs, which have been and are daily contrived against the peace and welfare of this Commonwealth, the intelligence whereof cannot well be communicated, but by letter of script.”[7]

    “How unfit a time this is to give liberty to every man?” What refreshing honesty from the king’s man! Ask yourself, is this the type of honesty we hear from our current “public servants”?

    In a word: no.

    In light of the revelations about the NSA’s massive spying programs in which the U.S. government is literally collecting our mail and communications just as the British Crown read the colonists’, the response has become cartoonish cliché. In regard to the liberties protected by the 4th Amendment, the government responds with supposed moderation, “We must work to strike a balance between liberty and security,” or extends a statement to elicit fear, “This information being released has made the country less safe. Maybe, a treasonous act.” In regard to the leaker, Edward Snowden, the government responds, “He’s a traitor,” or more diplomatically, “No one is above the law.”

    It does not take much to see all of these responses as retreads of the classic egalitarian doublespeak “we are the government” and as said before, I contend it should be a libertarian project to get our statist opponents to speak plainly about how they wish to use state power. Lovers of liberty cannot allow those who wish to wield state power to hide behind “the people” when the people are the very one’s being victimized and led into serfdom by the domineering use of state aggression. Thus, let us take to these phrases one by one:

    (1) “Edward Snowden is a traitor and no one is above the law.”

    A traitor to whom and why? Is not the Constitution the supreme law of the land? And if so, who acted above the supreme law of the land, Snowden or the government? Also, by having the power to make law and use arbitrary discretion in the law’s enforcement is not the federal government always “above the law” including the natural, objective law instilled in the 4th Amendment, the right to be left alone?

    (2) “This information being released has made the country less safe. Maybe, a treasonous act.”

    How in particular has the country been made less safe? Those who often claim this rarely provide evidence, as it would require them to reveal more government secrets. As for safety, how does offending the natural born rights of the global community keep us safe? As for treason, I turn to Cato’s Letters and say, “… I know not what treason is, if sapping and betraying the liberties of a people be not treason …”

    (3) “We must work to strike a balance between liberty and security.”

    This bargain has never worked, especially since there is not any actual balance or bargain involved. I wish you would just come out and say what you really mean: “How unfit a time this is to give liberty to every man!” Your goal is not to strike a balance but to sap the liberty of the global community. Your goal is not to have a debate about some vague balance but to muzzle those who actually wish to debate the violation of the rights of millions of human beings. Tell the truth just as the Crown’s man did a few centuries ago, “How unfit a time this is to give liberty to every man!”

    Seeing the law perverted[8] and the truth turned on its head, it is time for us to set things right. Let us return economic power to its true place above state power. Let us return to the only true security ever discovered by human beings: a system of positive law based upon the principles of liberty and the ratiocination of natural law. Let our security be tasked with the just defense of the objective rights of all humankind where no one — not even the government — is above the law. Let us do so in peaceful resistance through independent study, industry, and debate.

    And as the song also says, let each us say “… I’ll get on my knees and pray we don’t get fooled again!”

    Liberty in our time depends on it.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      No rant from me JAC. If people don’t see this, it will likely kill them in due time. We are all the peaceful resistance, many just don’t realize it 🙂

  50. Just A Citizen says:
  51. Just A Citizen says:

    I came across an interesting factoid last night. Well lets say it is an assertion made which I have not independently confirmed yet. But anyway, here it is.

    We often here that the Black, aka African American, community has been a dependable block vote for Democrats since the 1960’s. The reasons given were the Civil Rights act and Nixon’s alleged “southern strategy” which was later called “Reagan’s southern strategy”. Some even claim Goldwater helped drive the Black folk away from their natural allies, the Republicans.

    Many of us have questioned this because of the R’s active role in passing the Civil Rights legislation and that the Dems of the south had not moved to the Rep party when Goldwater ran or when Nixon ran. Not in the numbers needed to freak out the Black “community”.

    Well in some other reading last night I found a claim that the MOVE from Republican to Democrat actually occurred during FDR’s administration. It was his NEW DEAL that got them to change party affiliation in large numbers. Why? Because the Black population was disproportionately affected by the Depression. They saw the New Deal as a salvation.

    Once by the way that was played up by FDR’s operatives during the elections. This was the first effort to isolate and target the Black Americans as a voting block for LONG TERM conversion.

    This author goes on to describe the “identity politics of FDR” which then can be played forward to see how the Obama campaign has been run from its infancy.

    I will share some other insights when I am done, many of which are down right freaky for our future. Just wanted to share this one little tidbit in the meantime.

  52. @ Mathius………………hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm….ok I can go along with the legalization of the drugs…..but in addition, legalize everything….sugar that causes obesity, fatty foods and drinks in NY….if you are wanting to operate under the issue that no one has a right to tell say what can go into a person’s body, then that is all inclusive. Verdad?

    As far as the guns go, yes, they are being imported in as well as out. One way to “launder” guns…..ship em out and then back in…no paper trail whatsoever.

    • Mathius™ says:

      if you are wanting to operate under the issue that no one has a right to tell say what can go into a person’s body, then that is all inclusive. Verdad?


  53. If Hassan wants to die a martyr…………..ok, let us help him and any others that wish to die a martyr…..there are no virgins left, however.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I still think LIFE on a PIG FARM is the better option. I am still offering to supervise his term.

%d bloggers like this: