Who Is To Be Believed?

In a recent chat, I was asked to find a “credible” news source on a subject matter concerning the government’s, namely the DHS, refusal to abide by the 4th Amendment within 100 miles of any US border.  While that is a subject itself, I would like to concentrate on the “credibility” of the media. As you all know, I don’t trust the Main Stream Media, including Fox News, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, Huffington Post and MSNBC to just name a few.  Needless to say, trying to find a “credible” news source is a difficult challenge.   We all use links to support our ideals, but are the articles even credible?  What I see as credible, is seen as nonsense by others.  This leads me to believe that, despite our differences in policical leanings, linking to most articles is useless in getting your intended message out.

Simply put, none of us, have any respect for what the media has to say, if it doesn’t fit our ideals.  This is a huge barrier when it comes to finding agreement amongst the different people and their ideologies.  That barrier is on purpose and intended to keep people devided.  Even the alternative media has it’s detractors.   Prison Planet/Infowars puts out some good stories, but Alex Jones tends to overdramatize the message.  Brietbart is clearly rightwing as MediaMatters is clearly left wing.  This goes on and on, which poses problems when trying to support our various postions on the many subjects discussed.  So the big question is:  Can we agree on a news source as being credible to help in our discussions?

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Comments

  1. gmanfortruth says:

    🙂

  2. Mathius™ says:

    Simply put, none of us, have any respect for what the media has to say, if it doesn’t fit our ideals.

    This is not entirely accurate. I think it’s fair to say that all media has a slant. Even the most reputable, theoretically neutral, straight news has it bias. But there are some which are better than others.

    Gman’s link to prison planet would be akin to me linking to Charlie’s blog.

    I don’t require news sources to fit my ideology in order to find them at least moderately credible, but I do require that they are reputable in their own right. A website such as info wars, breitbart, or prison planet is a sh*t-slinger of paranoid fantasy and one sided echo-chamber bias. HuffPo is (occasionally) in the same bucket.

    But a link to, say, The WSJ or PBS or BBC America, while still undoubtedly biased, is at least something I’m willing lend credence to. But I’m not willing to lend my clicks to the pageview count of sites whose entire existence is dedicated to throwing bombs with truth-be-damned abandon.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I can see your point about Prison Planet, but, many of their articles are links to other sites where the article was published, so it’s really not what you would think. Jones is a drama King, that’s how he stays in business.

      Your suggestions, are biased, toward your ideologies (great example), what good are they to me, who doesn’t agree with your ideologies? Actually, you proved the point of the article, Thanks 🙂

      • Mathius™ says:

        Your suggestions, are biased, toward your ideologies (great example)

        My suggestions were WSJ, PBS, and BBC-A.

        Are you going to suggest that WSJ is a left-leaning site?

        These three are as close to straight-news centrist as I could think of off the top of my head.

        What is my “ideology” in your opinion, then? I suggest that my ideology is “slight-left bias, but focused on reality.” If that’s your take, then sure, guilty as charged.

        “And reality has a well-known liberal bias” – Stephen Colbert

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Your not a total lefty, so we can agree on that. PBS and BBC-A aren’t very centrist to me, but I don’t look at them much (I usually disregard clearly leftist media sites). What is WSJ? Washington Journal? I would have to check them out. You also stated “But a link to, say, The WSJ or PBS or BBC America, while still undoubtedly biased,” You admitted their bias, not me 🙂

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Can you see the contradiction in your post? 🙂

        • Mathius™ says:

          You should note that I use SUFA as my primary driver of political news (it’s the jumping off point for me to decide what to be interested in and research). Not HuffPo, not Cesca, not BuzzFeed. SUFA.

          Consider that.

          SUFA is, pretty much, the exact polar opposite of my “ideology.” You are as far from me as is reasonably plausible. You are so far to the right, I have to use the Hubble telescope to see you. Yet, while you’re (frequently) out of your gourds, you’re still a great news source because you do at least try to bring some objectivity to your positions.

          So, no, I don’t see the contradiction. News doesn’t have to fit my ideology – it just has to make a sincere effort at accuracy.

          And, by the way, tell me this statement is wrong: I, Mathius, am willing to abandon left-leaning positions when I am shown to be incorrect,* and further, am perfectly willing to adopt extreme-far** right positions when they are shown to be correct, and refuse to state a position where I have insufficient information***. Therefore, it is fair to say, that the litmus test for Mathius’ beliefs is not driven by ideology, but by truth and accuracy where the only role of ideology is to define the starting point of a debate but never its end.

          *See, Trayvon Martin
          **See, immigration
          ***See, gun rights

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Mathius, you are an honest man, as you have proven time and time again. 🙂

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Adherence to seeking and living by the TRUTH is an ideology in itself.

            Careful, your getting dangerously close to Objectivism. Heaven forbid.

    • But I’m not willing to lend my clicks to the pageview count of sites whose entire existence is dedicated to throwing bombs with truth-be-damned abandon.
      One of the reasons I refuse to click on any HuffPo link. I vote with my dollars and with my internet traffic and I am glad to hear you do the same.

      • Mathius™ says:

        FYI, if you want to read an article, but don’t want to give them your clicks, you can often bring up a google cached version. It counts as a hit to Google, but not the site. So you can read the article without giving them the benefit of your dollar/votes.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Interesting. I look at HuffPo about 5 times a year, usually when totally bored. I have no (favorites) that go to any MSM site. Drudge may be coming onboard soon just to open up things. Why can’t people just be truthful? Isn’t that the real question?

  3. Mathius™ says:

    Meanwhile – I loved this: Buzzfeed is (moderately) left-leaning. The Heritage Foundation submitted a sponsored infographic to them which was highly critical (of course it was) toward ObamaCare, which they published on their website. Ted Cruz (R – Bellevue Escapee) then pointed to that article and said the following:

    “Buzzfeed — the leftwing site — y’all know Buzzfeed?” he asked. “Yesterday they did a whole series of graphic pictures basically showing that I was promised one thing on Obamacare and here is what I’m left with.” […]

    “Look, when Buzzfeed is turning on him [Obama], this thing isn’t working,”

    Oy gevalt.

  4. Mathius™ says:

    Oh, and of course, let’s not forget, the best “news source” on the planet is SUFA. That’s because, as batshit crazy as y’all are, you at least try to make an effort at getting to the truth rather than selling page-hits and that’s a lot more than I can say for other places.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      The truth is hard to come by these days. I wonder how many links have been posted here?

      • Mathius™ says:

        There is precious little Truth to be had.

        Pursuit of Truth is itself, however, a goal worthy of aspiring toward.

  5. ****special note to DPM****

    I told you to have patience…see….we are credible!!!!!!

    Ps. Still trying to work on your ransom….you sure must have pissed off Mathius….he will not bargain.

  6. I’d say the links are simply a starting point for discussions. If all media has it’s bias,, why should we argue about the source or refuse to read the article when obviously we are going to disagree about which sources are more or less biased. They’re all biased to some point. So why not just discuss the article based on it’s content instead of refusing to read a particular source.

  7. gmanfortruth says:

    @Mathius, I think that I find myself reading the article before claiming it is bised, when it comes to the alternative media. In many cases, I catch 1 thing that is wrong with an article and will not link to it. I find that a lot on Prison Planet. I don’t need drama or fearmongering, I just want some facts that can be discussed without bias or drama. Hard to find these days, but, reading a lot that is linked here has helped in figuring out which sites (and sometimes Authors) are worthy of the time.

    Notice that I have refrained from linking a lot on the economy? We all know what’s going on, no need to preach to the choir. Want to know about UFO’s and aliens, find it yourself 🙂 The subject interests me, but it’s not for SUFA. Want to fix government, let’s talk about that and take some action (T-Ray’s idea). We didn’t get far on that, but I will come back to it after summer.

    We can help each other with the many problems that may befront us, just speak up and watch the calvary ride in!

    • gmanfortruth says:

      @Anita, This fall I put in a mixture of horse and chinken manure, till it in and let it sit all winter. Next Spring, more of the same, kill all weeds, let sit for 5 days, plant. The weeds are really bad, so next year I’m lining the walkways with heavy guage black plastic. The Amish do it up here and it works well for them.

      Sweet corn update. Bagged 98 (2 cup) bags of fresh picked sweet corn yesterday. Blanched and cut from the cob, great sweet corn all year long! You should try it.

      Our canning is almost over, we will continue to can tomatoes as they come due (and make fresh salsa). Our beans are played out, we got more than enough now. Potatoes will be due soon, making French Fries and freezing, what we don’t eat of course.

      Bow season is less than 2 month’s away 🙂

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Chinken, LOL Chicken, Ugh!

        • I nominate VH for best link digger upper.

        • I’m dealing with a 10×12 garden so I just pull my few weeds as I see them. I’ve been freezing the few ziplocks of beans that I can’t eat right away. Peppers are plentiful, don’t like freezing them so I’ve been giving some away.Cukes started off real good but have suddenly stalled. Hitting the fruit stand this weekend. Plan on doing some cooler corn and bagging and freezing that. Cooler corn rocks! I wish my tomatoes would get some red going..they”re my favorite garden veggie

          • Cooler corn? Help this suburbanite out.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Anita is right, It’s awesome.!

            • Gladly!. It’s for large groups where you can’t get it all on the stove at once, or like I plan to do for freezing. Boil large pan water while peeling the corn. Throw all the corn into a cooler, cover with boiling water, close cooler, grab lawn chair and beverage, put feet up for 30 minutes, return to cooler, BAM! corn is done. Then I’m going to cut it off the cobs and freeze.

  8. still not at all sure how striving to find the truth is helped by narrowing what you are willing to read. A narrowing that may well be based on your own biases.

    • Mathius™ says:

      Because (A) I’m not willing to give my vote to wesites like that – they derive advertising revenue from page counts and I’m not contributing to it and (B) they’ve already demonstrated themselves to be overtly biased and outright hostile – so there’s nothing to be gained by visiting them.

      A narrowing that may well be based on your own biases.

      My only “bias” is toward a balanced approach backed by nuance, reason, and facts. It’s not a question of whether I agree ideologically with the material or not (or else I would never come to SUFA) – it’s a question of whether the site can add any value. Is that a bias?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Because (A) I’m not willing to give my vote to wesites like that – they derive advertising revenue from page counts and I’m not contributing to it

        So you would rather them be on welfare? Or unemployment? Or homeless? (Hehe, I originally typed “hoeless”) 🙂

        • Mathius™ says:

          I would prefer they do something that contributes to society instead of throwing out devise and misleading crap which makes everything worse when people buy it hook, line, and sinker.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Like MSNBC, NBC ( exampl, painting George Zimmeman as a racist). Seems you have a good point Mathius, but it seems that our desire for truth is seriously outnumbered. Sometimes you have to see the other views of people to understand their thinking. Alex Jones, if he is close to right about what he babble’s about, things will get real ugly.

            On another side note, what about the UFO folks? What will happen if one day it’s all proven true? What about the coming of the Anti-Christ?

            Lot’s of differing views out there, keep an open mind, learn all you can about these folks, they could be your neighbor, like the pedophile that lives a block from you!

    • gmanfortruth says:

      It’s not about reading, it’s about credibility. If I want to make a point about the truth of FEMA camp existance, then link Prison Planet, did I really help my position?

      A better example was Charlie’s video link on fracking. Charlie claimed that it was all truthful, despite the facts which don’t support the video. It was clearly a politically based film, but it carried little info that was useful.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      V.H.

      I concur with you my dear. One should read and listen to a BROAD range of ideas.

      Don’t worry about some clowns getting clicks. I understand the theory but you have to start research someplace. And many of these sights simply repeat stories from some place you would not otherwise know about.

      Now with that said, I can certainly understand why someone who is very busy would want to limit their sources. Matt has raised a good point I had not considered.

      While he thinks most of us as far righties, there is much diversity among us. In views and in our sources. So each day when readers here post something it acts as a “gathering point” of various stories. Each can then be pursued at leisure by the visitor and discussed if desired.

      This is a positive function I had not considered. Very interesting.

  9. How about “The Daily Show”? Sure it’s biased, but they don’t try too hard to deny it…
    I watched a little of Obama on The Tonight Show. Had to stop it when they got to the economy and Obama claimed we had cut the deficit in half. I then backed it up and watched again. Yep, he said that & Leno just nodded.

    Obama then stated health care costs were/had dropped. (My jaw didn’t drop, since it was already on the floor from previous comment.) And to be fair, this MAY be a true statement. It may be that what DR’s, drugs & all medical expenses as a whole as billed to a patient have dropped. (I kinda doubt it, but maybe) But this only works if you do not count the cost of health insurance. Also leave out that pesky fact that ObamaCare REQUIRES you to have health insurance. But that’s not a cost?

    And it appears the right wants to beat up Jay Leno for giving Obama a pass on so many blatant lies. Lies that have been the butt of Leno’s jokes for months on end. I say “Great Job” Jay! You are not a reporter, but did ask some tough questions. For an entertainer, not a reporter. You played to your audience & got applause. That is your job! I thank you for pushing the edge and asking questions no reporters are able or willing to ask. Newsbusters doesn’t seem to feel the same way, but that is what I expect of all so called news organizations today….

    When it was announced a week ago that Barack Obama would be appearing on NBC’s Tonight Show Tuesday, NewsBusters asked if he would be interviewed by the tough Jay Leno who’s been hard on the President for the past year, or the “willing accomplice” that tossed him nothing but softballs when he appeared on the show in 2011.

    Sadly, Obama once again faced the willing accomplice.

    Leno began the interview asking what Obama did this past weekend for his birthday.

    From there came a question about whether the President teases his wife about her gray hair.

    Next was a question about how serious the current terrorist threats are in the Middle East.

    “What do you say to those cynics who go, ‘Oh, this is an overreaction to Benghazi?’” Leno asked.

    Although Leno has made numerous jokes about the President’s handling of the attack on our Libyan consulate last year, that was the only time the word “Benghazi” appeared during this interview.

    I guess Leno forgot about his previous comments on the subject:

    Leno: ‘Petraeus’s Mistress Had More Information About Benghazi Than Susan Rice’

    Leno: ‘The White House Has a New Slogan About Benghazi – Hope and Change the Subject’

    Leno: ‘Today at a Press Conference Even a Non-Fox Reporter Asked About Benghazi’

    As a follow-up, Leno asked if the information we got concerning the threats came from the NSA’s surveillance program.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/08/07/leno-wimps-out-becomes-obama-s-willing-accomplice-again#ixzz2bO3P7LuA

    • Mathius™ says:

      How about “The Daily Show”? Sure it’s biased, but they don’t try too hard to deny it…

      Sure it’s biased slanted.. but I view it mostly as comedy.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Ya have to love those that will link this show as some sort of fact 🙂

        • Mathius™ says:

          Did you see Colbert the other day? He was scheduled to have Daft Punk on his show, but MTV had some sort of exclusivity agreement and blocked only told him about it the day before they were set to air. He tore them apart fantastically (no politics were involved). It was really a thing of beauty.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            I did not, TV isn’t on much this time of year 🙂

            • Mathius™ says:
              • Just A Citizen says:

                WHAT IS A DAFT PUNK??

                Would that be a punk who has gone crazy??

              • Mathius™ says:

                Please, please, please tell me that’s a joke.

                Daft Punk is one of the biggest names in electronic music over the last 2 decades or so (though their recent album is mostly worthless). They are pretty damn awesome.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Mathius

                No JOKE.

                I have no idea who they are. Well at least until now. Which I wish I didn’t know because now my brain has one more trivial piece of information taking up otherwise needed RAM.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Mathius

                OK, I watched it. I am sending you a bill for the 5 minutes and 22 seconds of my life just wasted.

                So “electronic music” must mean the means by which people who can’t sing are able to doctor their voices so that people will buy their “music”. OK, I got it now.

                One more question. Are they really blue cartoon characters?

              • Mathius™ says:

                Great music is not trivial information.

                Great music is essential to the human experience. Can you have really lived without hearing Beethoven’s 9th? Or Sinatra’s My Way? Or Zeppelin’s Immigrant Song? Or Billy Joel’s Miami 2017 (or And So It Goes)? Tiesto’s Adagio for Strings? Electric Light Orchestra’s Fire On High? Trans Siberian Orchestra’s Christmas Eve/Sarajevo? The Beatles’s Let It Be? Or The Who’s Teenage Wasteland Baba O’Riley? Bush’s Glycerin? Dylan’s Tambourine Man? Pachelbel’s Cannon in D? Van Morrison’s Domino? Journey’s Don’t Stop Believing? CCR’s Have you ever seen the rain? Garth Brooks’ Friends In Low Places?

                No, sir, I couldn’t disagree with your assessment more.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Mathius

                I agree with you entirely. GREAT music is NOT TRIVIAL.

                Now give me those 5 minutes and 22 seconds back please.

              • Mathius™ says:

                Are they really blue cartoon characters?

                No.. actually, they’re robots..

                5 minutes and 22 seconds of my life just wasted.

                If you think that time was wasted, you were watching a stupid video when you should have been listening to awesome, unique, original music. You were doing it wrong.

                I don’t know what you like to list – what you consider “good,” but I listen to virtually every genre (except, really, hip-hop, rap, R&B, and certain very ethnic stuff like Tuvan throat singing or Malaysian tribal chants). But I suspect you need your horizons broadened.

              • Mathius™ says:

                Now give me those 5 minutes and 22 seconds back please.

                No. Because they weren’t wasted.

              • Daft – how appropriate for their name.

                I trust you are being sarcastic with including this noise in a great music category?

                Thanks for the warning JAC – didn’t waste the same 5 minutes as you; gave them 1:30.

              • Just took a family poll:

                Husband, late 20’s son, daughter-in-law, daughter: No Clue

                College Sophomore son: yes and “even like a couple of their songs”

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Kathy

      Let me tackle this one. Not the bias but the historical facts around the data.

      Ya’ll may not remember but I posted here long ago that when an economy starts to finally recover there is usually and “increase” in unemployment. Now this would not be an increase in those filing for unemployment but the larger unemployment level.

      This is because those who have withdrawn will begin looking for work again. So those that fell off the chart come back on the chart.

      My concern has been that we have not seen this small “jump” in the unemployed during this supposed recovery. That is different. But it might be explained by the Baby Boomer retirement rate. Unfortunately nobody has crunched those numbers that I know.

      So here we have a news outlet making a statement that is conceptually true but not supported by the data they used to back up the statement.

  10. Just A Citizen says:

    Gman

    To answer accurately and succinctly.

    There is NO news or information outlet that is NOT biased nor that provides ONLY CREDIBLE information. NONE.

    You as the consumer of information has to filter through everything and expand the number of sources to try and determine truth from fiction or more commonly NUANCED TRUTH, which is not just fiction but propaganda.

    The only thing we should concern ourselves with here is our tendency to dismiss an argument DUE TO THE SOURCE. This is a classic Logical Fallacy.

    Remember, even a blind pig finds an acorn from time to time.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I agree JAC, when asked for a better source, I was purplexed since there is none. Even when facts are presented in some cases, they are blown off as untrue or ignored. Sad, isn’t it? Read, investigate, determine truth when possible. That is logical! 🙂

      • Just A Citizen says:

        G

        There is another aspect which I discovered and have found enlightening. Once I stumbled upon some information about how our language has been manipulated to confuse and direct thinking I started looking closer and closer to all forms of news and commentary.

        So I look at the various outlets in a different way. Not just as sources of news. But sources of how opinion leaders are constantly trying to manipulate the rest of us. And I use manipulation here for those that try to influence us by word games and obfuscation. Like when I attacked Robert Reich the other day.

        Short aside, how could somebody go through life with the last name REICH??

        So in that sense, the biased outlets serve a great purpose as well. They can be the evidence or act as a foil in the argument.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          It can, it can alos show how bias leads to outright lying. Misrepresenting the truth is also common, by elliminating important details, by altering recordings ect. This is where I believe the line is crossed. Here’s a question, if things are so great in the world of the biased, why then can they not tell the truth?

          • Just A Citizen says:

            G

            I am beginning to believe they think they are. I am not sure that many people can distinguish the difference anymore.

  11. The bias doesn’t bother me as much as the complete eliminating of facts, stories, details. Most of us can see through bias and honestly admit to it. But when sources choose to not even report, or tell only a little bit, they really lose their credibility.

    Had the opportunity last week to watch NBC every morning as that is the preferred choice of the senior member of our family. Could not believe the lack of real news reporting. No wonder the term “low-information” was coined. Matt Lauer should be ashamed of himself.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      As I said to JAC, bias leads to worse things. One day it’s a subtle bias, the next an outright lie.

  12. Just A Citizen says:

    Sometimes it is creepy how SUFA is just ahead of the curve. When the Discovery channel goes off the rails, there is nothing sacred left. Funny Alert.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/08/john-oliver-discovery-megalodon_n_3725072.html

  13. Just A Citizen says:

    Here is one for you Charlie. Please make sure you read the many comments by people who actually deal with wages.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/minimum_wage_laws_are_a_masterful_delusion.html

    Several of them sure do have the Commie philosophy nailed down.

  14. Islamic Group Forbids Tomatoes ‘Because They Are Christian?’

    A Salafist group from Egypt appears to be trying to retract a post on Facebook that warned that eating tomatoes are “forbidden because they are Christian.”

    However, the Muslim traditionalist group, calling themselves the Popular Egyptian Islamic Association, apparently still finds tomatoes offensive if they are cut in such a way that reveals the shape of a cross, according to the Now Lebanon website.

    Along with a photo of a tomato cut in half to reveal what could be viewed as a cross, the group originally posted on Facebook: “Eating tomatoes is forbidden because they are Christian. [The tomato] praises the cross instead of Allah and says that Allah is three (a reference to the Trinity).

    “[God help us]. I implore you to spread this photo because there is a sister from Palestine who saw the prophet of Allah [Mohammad] in a vision and he was crying, warning his nation against eating them [tomatoes]. If you don’t spread this [message], know that it is the devil who stopped you,” according to a translation by Now Lebanon.

    More than 2,700 comments were left under the warning posted 10 days ago, perhaps prompting the association to give this response:

    “We didn’t say you can’t eat tomatoes. We said don’t cut it in [such a way that reveals] the cross shape.”

    And D13 says…………..BLT’s for everyone.

    • Mathius™ says:

      No different than seeing Jesus in your grilled cheese sandwich, I suppose…

      • Well, I have never seen Jesus in my grilled cheese sandwich…..just as I have never seen a cross in my tomato…..however……to be fair……grilled cheese for everyone.

    • I thought tomatoes originated with South and Central America. It has been known as the devil’s fruit, love apple, and devils wolf apple. After introduction, the church labeled it as the apple Eden hence man’s downfall from paradise. It is just a fruit that grows on a poisonous plant.

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    Could the gloss be coming off the emperor’s statue?

    A New York Times article Thursday revealed previously unreported details about the United States’ domestic surveillance program, namely that the NSA is “searching the contents of vast amounts of Americans’ e-mail and text communications into and out of the country, hunting for people who mention information about foreigners under surveillance.”

    Trevor Timm, Freedom of the Press Foundation Executive Director and Electronic Frontier Foundation Director, told HuffPost Live’s Ahmed Shihab-Eldin Thursday that the news directly contradicts what President Obama told Jay Leno on “The Tonight Show” earlier in the week.

    “There is no spying on Americans. We don’t have a domestic spying program. What we do have are some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an email address that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat,” Obama told Leno.

    “That statement is just unbelievable and it reeks of this Orwellian newspeak,” Timm told Shihab-Eldin. “When he talks to Jay Leno later in the clip, he says we can’t listen to your phone calls or read your emails, and now we know with this New York Times story that is plainly not true. It is unfortunate that we have to parse through government statements a dozen times before we actually figure out what they are meaning to say. With all these questions that they get they are obfuscating and deflecting and deceiving the American public.”

    Previous reports about the NSA have focused on the collection of metadata and call logs, but the NYT story, written by Charlie Savage, details the government’s role in “sifting through the contents of what is apparently most e-mails and other text-based communications that cross the border.”

    “The next step in this whole scandal is to get the NSA to admit they are splitting off communications because that is the only way they could possibly do what they are alleged to do in the New York Times story. We’ve had evidence of it for years but they have refused to confirm or deny,” Timm said. “Now it is finally time for them to come clean.”

    I have to give them credit. When I saw that clip of Obama this morning I thought it would take much longer to call him out on that comment. Orwellian Speak indeed.

    Now here is something to help ya’ll sleep better.

    It seems that the Obama campaign had access to all kinds of “meta data” during both election cycles. The volume this last time was much greater than the first of course. This data was utilized to the point they could identify “Specific Voters”, determine the chance of them voting as well as identify those issues/phrases and/or framing arguments that could get that voter to vote Obama, turn out to vote, or stay home.

    This data was supposedly acquired by “purchasing” it on the open market. From organization like, you know……….Google, Facebook, etc.

    Now just think of the connections these companies have to the administration. The people who work across both lines.

    Any wonder that this administration has no problem with collecting surveillance on Americans. Now how is the “concern meter” doing with knowing this Administration hs oversight over that data??

    • Didn’t you hear JAC, Beyonce cut off her hair. That is what the sheeple of America care about.

      I work in a very diverse office environment and it saddens me that I can almost anyone to talk about sports or stars but if I bring up politics or current world events they claim up and run. I would bet most Americans do not even know what NSA stands for let alone what they do.

  16. Once again, kudos to Kirsten Powers for not towing the liberal line and actually thinking:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/08/on-abortion-wendy-davis-doesn-t-know-what-she-s-talking-about.html

  17. Obama administration using housing department in effort to diversify neighborhoods

    By Doug McKelway
    Published August 08, 2013

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/08/obama-administration-using-housing-department-to-compel-diversity-in/?intcmp=trending#ixzz2bQ8z4Hk5

    • But, but… isn’t it the lack of diversity that killed Detroit? We need much stronger enforcement of the 10th amendment.

  18. I am sure that everybody has seen the video of the black kids beating a white kid on the school bus. The reason that the white kid was beaten was because he refused to buy drugs and then he told a teacher that the kids were trying to force him to buy drugs.

    In an interview, just seen three minutes ago…Al Sharpton says that it does not pass the hate crime test. He further stated that it was not a racial issue either since the boy refused to buy drugs….it had nothing to do with race.

    Sigh.

  19. Just A Citizen says:

    Told ya so……….that Obama Care was designed to push us towards single payer or Govt Health Care. From a Daily Kos commenter.

    “Progress is, by nature, an incremental thing. Sometimes it takes big jumps but mostly it is inch by inch.
    Where a lot of “Progressives” get into trouble is expecting that we will make massive changes, overnight, without regard for the displacements that can follow such earthquakes.
    The perfect example of this is the push for Single Payer.
    SP is my goal, always has been, but we can’t make that change, to a Brit-style National Health overnight as many people were adamantly demanding. The ACA is a baby step in the right direction in that it 1) is a reform (getting any organized reform AT ALL has resisted passage for 75 years) and 2) it has within it the seeds for a gradual evolution into a Single Payer system (by expanding MedicAid as part of the exchanges).
    I would love to see the Insurance Industry pushed out of healthcare, but I also would not like to see the 2.5 million people that work in the Insurance Industry suddenly unemployed, particularly not back in 2009 when unemployment was in double digits. I live in CT, “the Insurance Capitol of the World™” and 70 000 people put out of work in this small state would kill us. That’s reality.
    Unfortunately the idea of incremental progress has been demonized in society in general and in the Left very strongly. It has corresponded to the rise of extremism on all sides, in everything, not just politics but extreme sports, extreme soft drinks, et cetera!
    To me, one of the hallmarks of Progressivism is the willingness to walk in the other’s shoes, to work for the betterment of everyone, not just a single group and that requires a certain amount of flexibility and compromise.”

    This was a funny but sad article and thread of comments. “What it means to be Progressive”. Chalked full of this thinking about and caring for everyone. Everyone that is except the “Neanderthals” and the “selfish libertarian” types.

    It never ceases to amaze me how these people don’t see the hypocrisy and contradictions in their own statements of values.

  20. Just A Citizen says:

    SUFA

    HEADS UP ………….. Global Warming Initiatives Alert.

    All federal agencies have been told, from upon high, that it is time to make a “UNIFIED” push on all the Global Warming regulations, programs, initiatives, etc. Not tomorrow but NOW, as in ASAP, pronto.

    Watch for an increase in the Global Warming chatter on the blogs, reports on the media outlets, and comments from legislators. You should also start to see increased emphasis at the local and state levels when dealing with Federal program managers/coordinators.

    I would also expect to see this effort tied to “sustainable communities” initiatives and related programs.

    You heard it here first. Now lets see what happens.

    P.S. Anyone see the new Sec of Interiors comments last week challenging her employees to believe or get out?? That now looks like it was the kick off speech on this new priority for the Interior employees.

    • “Believe or get out”?

      Isn’t that like, if you don’t like it here leave……interesting.

      • Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an incorrect or deviant decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative ideas or viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences.

        Loyalty to the group requires individuals to avoid raising controversial issues or alternative solutions, and there is loss of individual creativity, uniqueness and independent thinking. The dysfunctional group dynamics of the “ingroup” produces an “illusion of invulnerability” (an inflated certainty that the right decision has been made). Thus the “ingroup” significantly overrates their own abilities in decision-making, and significantly underrates the abilities of their opponents (the “outgroup”).

        • Just A Citizen says:

          My first study of Group Think was the Bay of Pigs.

          Very interesting and my fortune to have stumbled upon this early in my working career. It helped prevent a few potential disasters.

          Unfortunately many of us haven’t learned the lessons. “There is consensus among….” should be a RED FLAG to all mavericks and thinkers.

          “Never assume the obvious” is a good thing to live by.

      • “Believe or get out”?

        Not a shock, how can can a very bad lie be forced upon people, threaten their careers. Ya have to love the Liberal mentality , don’t think for yourselves, we’ll do it for you. BWAHAHAHA

    • Amazingly, after 15 years since the Al Gore megalie movie, the earth has not warmed at all, yet the Liberals still won’t to screw the people, with alot of their help to do it! I talked to a relative in NE Ohio last night about it, and sure enough, she believes it’s still true. It’s total hogwash and those who are screwing with policy over it should be impeached for theft in office. Then again, if so many people weren’t looking directly at their colon, this wouldn’t be an issue. 🙄

  21. A little history lesson for those that hate the free market, it actually works when the socialists and power mongers aren’t in the way. http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/during-the-best-period-of-economic-growth-in-u-s-history-there-was-no-income-tax-and-no-federal-reserve

    • Just A Citizen says:

      gman

      But lets not forget that the industrialists of that time became so enamored with growth and profit that they squeezed the labor to the point of revolt. That the politicians did become ever more corrupt and the Tycoons began to pay them off.

      This period of boom ushered in the Progressive Movement, part benign and part socialist disease, and brought us the likes of Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and FDR. Their legacy in turn brought us Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Two Bushes and an Obama.

      • Mathius™ says:

        But lets not forget that the industrialists of that time became so enamored with growth and profit that they squeezed the labor to the point of revolt.

        Excellent.

        So the followup question is this: in an unbridled capitalist utopia, what stops “industrialists” from doing this again?

        • I’m back, answer: Not a damned thing!

          When things get bad enough, when the mob finally realizes just how bad they have been screwed by the politicians a la, illegal immigration. When living in the cities again resembles living in Dickinsonian London, the people will change it. Unfortunately, there are no guarantees on outcomes. Odds are it will look more like Paris in 1793 than Philadelphia in 1782.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mathius

          Less Govt power for one thing. This free market boom time was not actually a free market as we radical rightwing liberals dream about. Notice how the govt’s involvement in the transcontinental railroads and the various shipping lines was not mentioned. It was shipping and railroads that got these immigrants started on their way to steel, oil and banking.

          The second thing that would prevent it is our stage of development. The country was rebounding from the Civil War and that nation was largely undeveloped. NEW discoveries in science and Technology were changing the landscape far more rapidly.

          Third thing is the more ingrained values of the “benign” Progressivism that has taken hold in our culture. This is the progressivism of people like FORD. He didn’t need govt to force wages because he personally felt it “right”.

          Fourth thing is an extension of this, but which has not been adopted in our culture. The morality and ethics that must coincide with “free markets” and “freedom itself”.

          Now with all that there is the harsh reality that nothing can guarantee anything in the future. But what we do know is that despite all its warts, that golden period raised more people from abject poverty, it built the industrial world and helped fuel a major migration of people to the USA. On the other hand, we and other nations who then adopted the more “fascist” model have been struggling ever since. We know that the alternatives of socialism and communism will absolutely fail, absolutely.

          We live in different times. But the risks of human behavior remain. So as SK mentioned, the cure for human ills is simply human diligence.

          I also want to mention that while the moguls behavior helped lead to the changes I mentioned earlier, they were not the sole cause. These movements had spread from Europe and were building. But certain events and behaviors gave the new political movement the ammunition it needed to start creating the Progressive Govt we have inherited.

          The Govts attack on Standard Oil trust is a good example. Other supposed monopolies had already failed due to free market competition. There was no reason to believe that Rockefeller could maintain his monopoly anymore than others had. But the GOVT just had to act. Why?? Because other competitors had gotten the govt to do what they couldn’t.

          The irony of it all was that Rockefeller came out of the deal owning even greater amounts of the new companies and far more wealthy than he was before the Trust Busting.

        • in an unbridled capitalist utopia, what stops “industrialists” from doing this again?

          Hopefully, history teaches people to make sure it don’t happen again. We won’t see it in our lifetime unless there is a major revolution removing the govt and starting over.I have good ideas how to start over too! 🙂

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mathius

          To further my points. We HAVE witnessed this free market utopia in a smaller scale just recently. We are still living with it in fact but fail to recognize it because the anti free market folks can’t handle it.

          The internet and computer tech boom is very much like the industrial boom of the late 1800’s. Rapid development and expansion. Companies come and go. Consolidation and large movement of labor to the new industry. Long work hours but greater rewards than before.

          All the ingredients are essentially the same. Except it did not devolve into a gun fight between labor and the companies guards. Which were PRIVATE POLICE by the way….bwahhahahaha.

          Even before the govt started interfering Microsoft and other “Moguls” were losing their grip on market shares. BIG business stifles creativity and innovation.

          But notice how quickly the Govt has felt it necessary to “break up the monopolies” and to “regulate the internet” , etc, etc, etc.. Yet nobody was complaining except a few weak competitors. Those with good ideas were succeeding.

          Then notice how Microsoft and Apple started using the Govt protection of patents, copyright and trademarks to shelter them from competition. The govt takes and the Govt gives and the market becomes distorted.

          So I see very close parallel between the Industrial Age and the Computer Age we are living in today. But many of the social issues of the Industrial boom did not occur with the Computer boom.

          This is because the people have changed their value systems.

        • I do not think that the industrialists will make the same mistake twice. Why should they? They have politicians to do it for them. The industrialists control the WH and Congress like never before. Their manipulation is a buffer between them and their employees.

  22. Mathius™ says:

    I’m buying this shirt for a few people here:

  23. @Mathius, Notice how the past has led to the current destruction of our industrial leadership and wealth? We, as a nation, are nothing compared to just a few decades ago. I blame the govt 100% for this destruction. With that said, considering that tens of millions of Americans do not trust the Federal govt, it is not hard to see the future.

    • On vacation, I went to a wonderful little museum in Wolfesboro NH. It is called the Wright museum of WW 2 history. Privately founded and funded, it has one of the largest collections of US military vehicles in the country (most not on display). However, the thing that got my wife to pass through their portals was their co-museum which consisted of an equal size display area on the “home front”. Man, what a country this was! What feats we were capable of. By ’43, we were producing more steel than the rest of the world combined. Considering that included the Axis, they had no prayer of winning!

      http://www.wrightmuseum.org/

      Well worth the visit by anyone in the area especially the young. The emphasis should be on what we ARE capable of accomplishing when we have to, which, if I were a schoolteacher, would then lead to a discussion of what does it take to get us to have to.

      The museum is the kind of thing that makes me laugh and cry when I hear,”We can’t build a fence along the Mexican border’ or that dumb assed comment of Rumsfeld three years into Iraq when questioned about “up armor” kits for the Humvee, “You go to war with the army you have not the army you want”. Here we are 12 years into the war and we still can’t field enough of the proper equipment.

  24. http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/08/gop-rep-steve-king-global-warming-is-a-religion/

    I agree. Obama is full of Poo Poo and should be called out! When are we going to have some journalists with some testicles to do this?

  25. So what exactly is PP? We know about it being an abortion mill, but I’m more and more convinced it is just another lefty income redistribution operation. WTH – the abortion business is very lucrative – why would we need to give them a half billion dollars?

    “Planned Parenthood received more than a half billion dollars in federal funding last year.”

    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/08/09/planned-parenthoods-use-your-money-under-investigation#ixzz2bUc9GfcL

    • Found this interesting information on the USDA.gov website:

      In FY 2012, over 100 analysts and investigators reviewed over 15,000 stores and conducted nearly 4,500 undercover investigations. Close to 1,400 stores were permanently disqualified for trafficking and nearly 700 stores were sanctioned for other violations such as the sale of ineligible items.

      So they investigate 15,000 stores and 1,400 stores get disqualified for fraud and 700 get sanctioned. That means that nearly 10% of the stores investigated committed fraud to a level that warranted disqualification and another 5% were sanctioned (whatever that means). That’s a reported 15% rate of fraud, that is ridiculous.

      Now that is what is being reported. Of course when you factor in the government fraud that is inherit in the system you can safely say that there are other stores that deserved to be disqualified but paid off the investigators or had friends in the administration so that they got pushed through a back door of protection. I would bet the fraud is closer to 20 – 25% if investigations were conducted by an independent group.

      • Food stamps work like this.

        You do have to be a grocery, even a Mom and Pop will do. You accept food stamps for non-eligible items, beer, soda, cigarettes. As long as you carry real food inventory and sell that food, you can claim that the food you sell is sold with the food stamps and the other items are not. Not a supposition here. Have seen it done many times in the Bronx, Upper Manhattan and Brooklyn. Cannot figure out how to prevent this from happening short of a barrage of undercover inspectors. Even if you sent in fake “buyers” it would probably not work. They tend to do this with neighborhood people they know. I, having worked in the neighborhoods, was a “regular” and they made no attempt at hiding the sales.

        10% is a joke.

        • Oh, I forgot. B & J grocery is permanently disqualified. B & J reopens as J & B Grocery with a new LLC. Maybe, just maybe, they put it in their wives names. probably don’t have to.

          • Mathius™ says:

            Thus why I recommend jail time for owners of companies who (as a matter of policy, not just rogue employees) engage in food stamp fraud.

            That should put the kabash on this, no?

            • It is a good start. But there is way, way too much money to be made. Remember the old saw about pick-pockets working the crowds that gathered for the hanging of pick-pockets in London in the 18th and 19th centuries?

        • Mathius™ says:

          Agreed. For this reason, I feel that food stamps should only be accepted at food stamp stores which carry no non-eligible items.

          All items should be generic or discount (ie, non premium). However, they should stock fresh fruit/meet – but not things like ice cream or potato chips.

          Any – ANY – conviction for fraud is an automatic disqualification for 1 year. A second offense is a lifetime disqualification.

          Any store caught in violation is punished severely – either with a permanent ban of the respective employee with jail time, or a permanent ban of the entire store’s eligibility to collect stamps, plus jail time for the owner. (this would be a question of whether the fraud was a “rogue employee” or a “store policy of fraud”).

          Arrests for drugs while on food stamps is 1 year disqualification. Smoking and drinking should be, but eh, I won’t fight over that one when I have bigger fish to fry. You may not have cable tv. You may not have a netflix subscription. You may not own a luxury car. You may not visit DisneyLand. You may not buy an iPhone. Et cetera. Any such purchase constitutes fraud, as you clearly have the money to buy food and are collecting under false pretenses.

          I’m paying for you to not starve to death, not to have luxuries. If you can afford luxuries, that’s great, but then you don’t need my help to not starve, so I’ll just stop helping you then. Hows that?

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Focus on eligibility and then give them the money and leave them to their own devices.

            But that is it, no other help and there is a fixed clock ticking.

            Benefits GONE in one year. No more benefits for two years.

            OR

            Limit benefits to a fixed time frame within a lifetime. Such as no more than 36 months.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathus

            The method of my madness has a purpose.

            Many people use the excuse that “well we are paying for it so we should control it” for all kinds of crappy legislation. Such as Obama Care, or the “Ban Soda” laws.

            If we want to help people but want to maintain individual responsibility then we need to stop treating adults like children. Even if they act like it.

            • Mathius™ says:

              Many people use the excuse that “well we are paying for it so we should control it” for all kinds of crappy legislation. Such as Obama Care, or the “Ban Soda” laws.

              We ARE paying for it.

              The scope of the help we I am willing to offer is this: What is necessary to prevent you from starving. And, further, taking into consideration a baseline level of human decency in terms of living standards. And, further, taking into consideration that I was you to still have enough wherewithal to find a job (ie, if I cut off your phone and internet, how are you going to get a job? So I leave that on.).

              Don’t like the strings? That’s fine. Don’t accept the money.

              Petition a charity to help you. Ask Charlie for a loan. Snoop around Black Flag’s compound (very carefully) and see if you can find his buried treasure chest.

              But if you want my money, it comes with terms and conditions.

              • History lesson for you. When I was a kid, before there were Foodstamps, Up in PA where my uncles lived the USDA handed out real food. This was government surplus, part of what we were paying for in farm subsidies. I remember that there were five pound blocks of American Cheese, Flour, peanut butter, dehydrated eggs (tolerable if mixed with real ones) margarine and butter in cans. A variety of dried beans, rice and canned fruit and veggies. these were available to miners who were not working. Since all three uncles who lived there never returned to the mines they worked in before WW 2, technically they were eligible as they were for health coverage (miners lung). Believe me, though working in other fields, they took advantage. That’s the nice thing about Americans, we take free stuff and, because we are all descended from people with balls enough to leave their mother countries, have no shame about putting one over on the government.

                Back in the fifties and early sixties, there were 189 ships moored in the Hudson, near West Point. They were the Liberty ships of WW 2. in storage and filled with surplus grain. Some were put back into service for Vietnam runs, most became razor blades in the late ’60’s. Here is a link:

                http://tugster.wordpress.com/tag/ghost-fleet-of-the-hudson/.

  26. Mathius™ says:

    I’m posting this in D13’s workplace.

  27. Hot new issue below. If Obama caves on this and there will be great pressure to do so, he will have been able in his administration to match the stupidity of Jimmy Carter.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/9/obama-us-will-not-boycott-olympics-russia/

    Interesting how we tend to paint ourselves into a corner all the time by making huge pronouncements about things like gay marriage and gay rights. When you take the all or nothing approach, you have very little room to maneuver.

    I wish, I really wish that I knew what Putin said to the big O at their last meeting regarding Syria. Notice he is totally quiet on the topic. No more calls for airstrikes, no fly zones, nothing.

    There is some chatter, perhaps the Colonel has heard it, that Putin promised to start handing out man portable anti-aircraft missiles in Afghanistan and elsewhere with the comment, “We’ll do unto you what you did unto us”. Nonetheless John McCain (Let’s make the world safe for democracy) is about the last one left who wants to mess around there.

    • SA-24’s…….no big secret there. Syrian rebels have them….supplied by Russia…..Afghanistan has hundreds.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        d13

        Good afternoon Sir.

        Are you saying the Russians supplied those to the rebels directly? Or the rebels stole them from the Govt?

        If the former then are the Russians playing both sides?????

  28. First, please understand that the Free Syrian Army…headquartered in Turkey…is nothing more than a loosely formed umbrella organization that is trying to control 10-12 rebel factions. This administration is stupid enough to believe that these rebel factions are actually controlled by the FSA…..

    In reality, most of the Syrian rebel factions are controlled by Al Qaeda, which is supplied and controlled by Iran, which is supplied by Russia. So, to answer both your questions, yes, to being supplied by Russia and, yes, the Russians are not and never have been our ally…..even in WWII.

    The Russian Spetz is on ground in Syria AND Egypt……Rome is burning….and Obama can’t read the music…much less fiddle.

    • Colonel,

      I find myself in an interesting place these days. Despite being a real hard line cold warrior back in the day, today I find myself agreeing more with the Russian government than my own.

      I think that Reagan offered the hand out to the Russians that was immediately withdrawn when he left office. There was that speech of his about Star Wars when he said we would share the research so that no child anywhere should go to bed in fear of nuclear war. There was something about Ronald Reagan that still leads me to believe these were not simply words. In the ensuing years, each time I heard a commentator refer to Russia as the Soviet Union, which they still do today, I cringe. I think that there was a real chance for a rapprochement there, I even think that even Tom Clancy saw it. The plot of one of his later books was the need for the US and Russia to join forces to defeat China.

      With the history between Russia and the west, I do not think it was terribly bright to encourage adjacent nations to join NATO nor do I think it smart to place patriot missile batteries on Polish soil. There is even the question of the need for NATO continuing as if it were still the cold war.

      Over the years, especially during the Bush presidency we had an awful lot to say about the Russians and Chechnya. Despite our own 9-11 we cannot seem to understand that they are conscious of their problem and are dealing with it while we, 12 years later, are still floundering. The big O in DC does not like what the Russians or Putin are doing. Well, too damn bad. One thing you can say about Putin is as imperfect as he is, he is watching out for the interests of his own country. There is no way the guy at 1600 Pennsylvania is doing that.

      Something else that struck me real hard the other day. It was the replay on C-Span of JFK’s speech at Georgetown in the summer of ’63 when he basically said that everyone in the world knew that the US would never start a war. On of the guys on the panel just casually threw in “not so true anymore” which hit me like a ton of bricks.

      With the NSA scandals, the constant meddling in other countries affairs, the call for military intervention, and the constant drumbeat to be afraid, I think we are becoming the Soviet Union of the 1960’s while they are, admittedly slowly, becoming something else. ,

      • Very insightful…..I will respond a little later.

        • Some food for thought….I doubt there are many on here that understand what happened in the late 50’s through 1985. I notice that there are many that think Wiki is gospel….the height of the Cold War in the 60’s and 70’s was something to behold especially with Kennedy, Nixon, and Ford. Everyone hated Reagan, and no one truly understood what all he accomplished.

          • Especially October of ’62. Then of course there was that little event in Berlin the year before when the Guard was called up. You are soooo right.

            The Reagan-Pope-Thatcher thing was nothing short of a miracle.

            • Ahhh, the building of the Berlin Wall in 61…..what a fiasco. None of the cold war would have happened if it were not for politicians. Dividing Germany after WWII was bad enough, but to divide Berlin into four sections….

              Hindsight is always 20/20……but allowing Russia a seat at the table and then allowing them to form the USSR and not stopping the eastern European takeover were grave mistakes.

              Yes, to Reagan/Thatcher……..they will go down in the history books of liberals as dismal failures……but the non blinking, non PC, non backing up of these two………in my opinion….prevented a catastrophic event (I was a young Captain during the Reagan years and I remember well the buildup and training 24/7)……the USSR was failing….every socialist member country and province was starving to death and economically ruined….they could not even handle a war much less a major international sanction at that time…..They needed American energy technology……they needed American farming technology (if you remember, all of the cooperative farms and industry was dying a quick death )…..AND…..the 1980 USA Hockey team did more to spur the American drive than anything….that began the resurgence from the failed Carter years..

              Lest we forget the contribution of Ukraine born Prime Minister Golda Meir.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I really agree with your post! Obama is a SISSY, just like Carter except worse.

  29. Just A Citizen says:
  30. “Stand Up For America” has been included in the A Sunday Drive for this week. Be assured that I hope this helps to point even more new visitors in your direction.

    http://asthecrackerheadcrumbles.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-sunday-drive_11.html

  31. gmanfortruth says:

    Well now. The inner city black youth’s, who the Lefties praise as innocent young people who can do no wrong, seem to keep getting caught making the Lefties Liars! Charlie tried OH SO HARD to make Trayvon Martin into an innocent victim, was also proven to be DEAD wrong. Wake up, LEFTIES, this as a daily occurance that is rarely reported, Sadly, the person now in a coma, believed the lies, to his detriment. http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/he-thought-hed-be-safe-in-black-neighborhood/

    Rule #1- Stay armed and stay away from Democrat ruled areas!

    • Minnesota is a right to carry state!

    • (Immature comment removed) Isn’t it interesting how GZ’s most ardent supporter (Frank Taffe) was proven a racist? Gee, what a familiar theme that is …
      http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/after-trayvon-will-there-be-justice-for-floridas-other-stand-your-ground-victim-20130717

      • C’mon Charlie, there is absolutely no comparison.

        • Wasn’t seeking to make one (beyond the inherent racism of the law’s effect) … nor was I conceding that the GZ trial proved I was DEAD WRONG (as the resident genius put it) … I was merely pointing out what a fool the resident genius remains … that’s all … the Jordan Davis link was for those who still think SYG was a great idea … or that it isn’t a law for the racists to jerkoff (masturbate) to …

          • People have been claiming fake “self defense” for eons. The SYG comes about because of the over zealousness of some prosecutors. As usual, we are stuck with extremes on the pendulum swing. Today we had that court decision in NYC on stop and frisk. I knew the courts would knock it down, only the president(at this time) cans get away with ignoring the Constitution but the judge’s intrusion into law enforcement, virtually demanding DOJ supervise the NYPD is another example of “Courts Gone Wild!” That is one hell of a fishing expedition! Wonder how many cops swill do anything about crime once they are wired directly to a camcorder. Looks like a re-play of the ’70’s is around the corner for NYC.

            • Stop and frisk, the same as sentencing, 20% more against blacks than whites. You want to catch drug users/dealers … hang out on Wall Street and see how many brokers are snorting … the over/under would be 40% … maybe 50%

      • we have weaponized the bitterness of working-class whites, given them license, a playbook and enormous stopping power to use at their discretion.

        What? This is the whole purpose of SYG? Like the blacks aren’t included in SYG too? Way to fuel the fires of racism. Divide and conquer, baby.

  32. Interesting……China’s new economic policy minister is proposing a ZERO corporate income tax to foreign investors…and allowing a zero tax export on manufactured goods……meanwhile, the United States now owns the number one ranking on the highest corporate taxes. And people wonder why GE invested 16 billion in China instead of the US……AND….Obama just gave GE a tax waiver on its imports. Sigh…………..

    • Did you happen to see the 60 Minutes segment on China last night, Colonel? Interesting how capitalism is about to destroy that “booming” economy too now … entire cities (several of them) built for middle income buyers … and they bought, without restraint … and now the bubble is about to burst … entire ghost cities … nobody lives there … they were bought with the American dream in mind … real estate is always an investment … say goodbye to the Chinese middle class, Paisans … arrivadercci, a tutti …

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