Let the Fun Continue

Time for a new thread and some new subjects. In the news, Egypt is a mess, jobs are being lost due to more govt regulation and Obama is still campaigning. In the alternative media, the economic collapse chatter has grown quite a lot recently. I won’t go into all of that now, that could be a whole article itself.  We also await D13’s article on the happenings in the Middle East.   It’s Open Mic for now 🙂



  1. gmanfortruth says:
  2. Forgive me for taking a little more time,,,,,there is an interesting development going on as we speak in Egypt, in the underground there and I am wanting to see how this plays out. In the meantime, I have a short article that I will finish on who the Muslim Brotherhood is and how it came into being.

    At JAC….Russians on the ground in Egypt….NOT Spetz…US State Department knows this. Also, watch closely…..according Lehay, the POTUS has violated Congress yet again and has secretly cut off funds to Egypt. To publicly announce this would, of course, be an admission that the Egyptian policy has failed. Wonder why a democrat of Lehay’s stature would let this leak out unless there was a more sinister plot behind it……bears watching.

    • One VERY IMPORTANT item to remember……the Muslim Brotherhood DOES NOT WANT a Caliphate to exist….neither does UAE, Saudi, Oman,Kuwait…nor any of the Royal Families.

    • There was a time, when Nasser was running Egypt and the UAE, when the USSR was footing the bill for Egyptian hardware and building them the Aswan high dam. Eventually we replaced the Soviets, now the Russians are replacing us which is probably a good idea since if it is not the Russians it would most assuredly be the Chinese. That Rodeo Clown in the White House (an admitted insult to rodeo clowns everywhere) has taken American foreign policy back to 1949, the eve of the Korean war!

      • Whoops, meant the UAR (United Arab Republic) not the UAE.

      • You and I are old enough to remember, that in this world, appeasement gets you nowhere. There is nothing wrong with being the baddest man in town.

        • “There is nothing wrong with being the baddest man in town.”

          Except, Colonel, there’s ALWAHYS SOMEONE even badder … in an age of mutual destruction, what’s the point of being the baddest one on the block?

          Next reading I’ll buy you cannoli from Pluto, brother 🙂

          • On the surface you are correct. What must be avoided at all costs is the appearance of weakness which you should remember from your younger days in Brooklyn. My daddy said, “walk down the street like you own it”. Excellent advice. Never be the one to start trouble but give the appearance (at least) that you can finish it.

            As a nation we have gotten dragged into situations time and time again that have cost young lives because we have appeared weak or irresolute. The big one, as Dobie Gillis’ father called it, WW 2, was a miscalculation on the part of Hirohito and Hitler. Could say the same about Korea, Vietnam to a lesser extent JFK almost blowing up the world in ’62.

            The Rodeo Clown (I intend to use this always and everywhere from now on) is the kid you would have taken his lunch money from in the playground back in the County of Kings. C’mon, admit it. You would have! I on the other hand, would have tried to teach him how not to look like a patsy.

          • You are correct, sir….there is always someone that is bigger and badder……..that is why one must use discretion when you are the meanest SOB in the valley.

  3. Washington Times headline:
    Rural Coloradans to vote on breaking away as 51st state, angered by liberal policies on guns, energy

    Is this a viable solution for many states that are feeling like the more government depended and over populated cities are leeching resources off of the rest of the state?

    Being from NY I can say that those of us up state hardly consider NYC as being the same state as where we lived, for that matter Buffalo always felt like a different state also so NY could become 3 states.

    And speaking as a Floridian now for 17 years I definitely see the draw to separate central Florida from the Miami controlled southern Florida or the Jacksonville/Tallahassee controlled northern Florida. All though not as clear cut as say NY or Colorado because Orlando has it’s share of government dependents populating it.

    Not sure if it would work but it is an avenue of discussion. Here is a link to the original article:

    • Hmmm…maybe I should invite them to Texas……and we become a Republic again!

    • gmanfortruth says:

      FLP, Much like Pa, the cities are totally different from the rest of the state. Maybe we can give the Liberals all the cities and we can have the rest. They can have all the gun control and abortions they want, but those who choose to live there can never step foot on our country, as they would be illegal aliens. 🙂

    • Just A Citizen says:


      My question is how can he be charged with involuntary manslaughter when he wasn’t holding the gun and did not GIVE the gun to the child?

      Isn’t this charge usually limited to some ACTION by the person being charged?

      There is no doubt NEGLIGENCE involved and that negligence resulted in an accidental death of another person.

      • I actually wonder if there is anyone here who would disagree with this? There are accidents and there are accidents waiting to happen. This, I think, falls into the latter category.

        Years ago I dated a young women whose uncle (more of a surrogate father to her) was a NYC Detective Sgt. I’m a gun owner from way back and I always thought that he would be a gun guy. Well, that was NOT the case. You couldn’t even talk to him about the issue. My girlfriend later explained to me that one day, getting off a long shift, he took his snub nose .38 off while he was washing up and left it in the bathroom. His 3 year old daughter found it and killed herself. This was, an accident.

        There is really no comparison between the two. Our friend above made a conscious decision to leave a loaded gun somewhere where it could be found. My girlfriend’s uncle was tired and forgot. One should go to jail, the other carried around his mistake with him for the rest of his life.

        • No offense, but I don’t see how there is ‘no comparison between the two’. Your girlfriend’s uncle may have been tired, but that is still criminally negligent in my mind. Clearly a horrendous, gut-wrenching event though.

          • I see a difference in degree of culpability. Think on leaving the cellar door open (which you usually lock) as your two year old walks around.

            Think on removing the window guard from your apartment window permanently as opposed to waiting a few hours before putting it back after you have removed the air conditioner unit.

            If the kids die or are severely injured, is there culpability? Yes, in both cases but again it is degree.

            Unfortunately, as Forrest Gump would say, shit happens, it is your responsibility not to help it along.

      • Per the article, he MAY be charged with involuntary manslaughter. I’d have to read the Michigan statute on involuntary manslaughter to determine whether this applies, but conceivably the action would be his negligent behavior.

        But where do you stand on the concept of such an individual being arrested and charged? That to me is the much more important question.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          I think it is appropriate but not sure of the proper charges. Looks like here there is some deliberate pushing of the envelope. Maybe not, just seems that way.

          The death is due to negligence. So the negligent party should pay for their actions in some way. Perhaps this would be a good place for civil restitution rather than criminal prosecution.

          • How about both civil restitution and criminal prosecution!? That’s something I can agree with!

            I don’t get the impression they’re trying to push the envelope here at all. Unfortunately too many of these instances are deemed tragic accidents and just dropped.

            • Just A Citizen says:


              What is the purpose of CRIMINAL prosecution?? What is accomplished??

              I just read the definition of “criminal negligence” so I can see why many of these cases are not prosecuted.

              Far to much “subjective” judgment of what is in someone’s mind or what mythical “reasonable people” would do.

              Perhaps we should write laws to deal with this particular event. Forfeiture of their license to own a gun for some period of time along with mandatory gun safety classes before restoring said privilege might be a good punishment.

              • “What is the purpose of CRIMINAL prosecution?? What is accomplished??”

                What is the purpose of criminal prosecution in any situation?

              • gmanfortruth says:

                More laws aren’t neede. The desire to criminally prosecute is emotional because a gun did it, if the same person ran a red light and creamed by a semi, and the same child was killed, little would be said. However, negligence is an issue, but stupid is not a crime yet. I’ll stop there. 🙂

            • Just A Citizen says:


              Exactly. What is the purpose?

              We toss around CRIMINALITY like it was water on a hot day.

              We CRIMINALIZE all kinds of things that don’t fit well in my opinion.

              When we are dealing with people who have no regard for others, and thus present a DANGER to the general population then the charges and penalties seem appropriate.

              But when we then extend that to people who simple screw up, we are declaring them the same as the “criminally insane”.

              I noticed in my review of “negligent homicide” the mention that many states have created differing definitions because “JURIES” are reluctant to find people guilty of “manslaughter” due to an accident.

              This tells me that people generally don’t accept the notion that a death due to negligence or oversight is the same as willfully acting in a manner that would obviously kill someone.

              • So in your estimation, there should only be criminal prosecution when someone poses a continuing danger/threat to society at large?

                Note, criminal prosecution does not mean mandatory jail time.

            • Just A Citizen says:


              My hesitation comes with my gut reaction to the word CRIMINAL.

              A CRIMINAL in my mind is someone who is a danger to the rest of us. That is why we criminalize their behavior.

              You know, MURDERES, THIEVES, RAPICISTS, BRUTAL THUGS, etc, etc.

              I don’t think of a criminal as the guy next door who had an accident this morning and someone died as a result.

              I don’t think of the guy leaving his loaded gun in the closet as a CRIMINAL, in this sense. But I would view a guy waiving a loaded gun around in a store or public park as acting in a DELIBERATELY RECKLACE manner. This could be called “criminal” if this behavior was common to this person.

              What do you think the appropriate “punishment” should be for this person?

              • Revocation of his gun license.

                Depending on the circumstances, possible jail time.

              • @ Buck…….in Texas, there is no license needed to own any weapon….I have a problem with any form of criminal issues in a true accident situation…..however, gun owners need to be responsible. Negligence, comes to mind….civil prosecution by the affected family, comes to mind…..in a state that requires a license, revoke it. Accidents happen….this person has to live with it the rest of his life.

              • And what would you feel appropriate in Texas where there are no such licenses?

    • Don’t more children die by drowning than gun accidents? More die in car accidents. Should all accidental deaths that could/should have been prevented be treated as manslaughter? Scary, I have a nephew that liked to climb as a toddler. Parents wore his tush out but he still acted like Spiderman. No telling how many times he cheated serious injury or death.


      • All accidental deaths? No. But certainly some where the actions (or nonactions) of the adult rise to the level of gross negligence or recklessness.

        • Buck,

          What is gross negligence or recklessness? How many in a group of ten would agree to the same standard? If it involves a gun, is it automatically grounds for manslaughter? What if it involves an ordinary kitchen knife? I have a friend that adopted & they inspected his home. Guns and hunting/pocket knives had to be in locked storage. Kitchen knives were not regulated. Leave a butcher knife laying out or in a drawer, no problem.

          The problem I see is that many want to single out the gun deaths only & treat them differently. Leave a child in a hot car & there is outrage, and rightly so. A kid finds a firearm hidden in a closet deserves the same treatment? I remember stories where Federal LEO’s forgot their service pistols in public restrooms. Why weren’t they tried for attempted negligent homicide?


  5. Just A Citizen says:


    Definition of “crime” from Wiki. I also came across a FRENCH definition. Interestingly the French use the term CRIME for the most egregious offenses that require long prison time or death. They have two other terms to identify offenses with short or mid term prison/jail and minor offenses that do not require jail. Maybe there is something to be said for such a system of terminology.

    “The term crime does not, in modern times, have any simple and universally accepted definition,[1] but one definition is that a crime, also called an offence or a criminal offence, is an act harmful not only to some individual, but also to the community or the state (a public wrong). Such acts are forbidden and punishable by law.[2][3]

    The idea that acts like murder, rape and theft are prohibited exists all around the world, and probably has universal moral basis.[4] What precisely is a criminal offence is defined by criminal law of each country. While many have a catalogue of crimes called the criminal code, in some common law countries no such a comprehensive statute exists.

    The state (government) has the power to severely restrict one’s liberty for committing a crime. Therefore, in modern societies, a criminal procedure must be adhered to during the investigation and trial. Only if found guilty, the offender may be sentenced to punishment such as community sentence, imprisonment, life imprisonment or, in some jurisdictions, even death.

    To be classified as a crime, the act of doing something bad (actus reus) must be usually accompanied by the intention to do something bad (mens rea), with certain exceptions (strict liability).[3]

    While every crime violates the law, not every violation of the law counts as a crime. Breaches of private law (torts and breaches of contract) are not automatically punished by the state, but can be enforced through civil procedure.”

  6. Why is it we all like Texan’s?

    • This is really old news….. The mosque buys the land then wants the neighbor to move or get rid of his pigs….the pig races there have become very popular….he is talking about having them (the races) during every prayer meeting……go for it.

  7. @ Buck… Time for a surprise from this Texan…..in the case of the administration wanting the SCOTUS to rule that a cell phone is to be treated like any other evidence after an arrest of person…warrant less search…………… I agree with.( Please, do not faint.)

  8. Anita, This is just a sick, sad situation. I cannot believe anyone would support this teacher. Not familiar with where this district is in Michigan. Do you have any more information?


    • Can’t help much. First I’ve heard the story. Rose City is in Northern Lower Mich, toward Lake Huron some., I was very near there a few weekends ago. It’s just a one stop light town pretty much. Surprised ANY teachers could support the perv, much less in a small town..and its big time conservative up there..SAD

    • Wait, I’m confused — do you believe these other teachers should be fired simply for the ‘crime’ of speaking out in support of a colleague?

      • Not at all. But their support of the teacher pretty much condones the actions, right? Our duty is to condemn the action and make sure the teacher gets fired. How bout you?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Allow me to be brief.

        YES………..they should all be fired. Along with the School Board who allowed the “threat” of the teachers to keep them from doing what they know is RIGHT.

        Now lets think back to the calls for heads to roll over Fluke, and other such nonsense. But speaking out in SUPPORT of a CONVICTED PEDOPHILE can have NO CONSEQUENCE.

        I think some Advertisements need to be run across the STATE and Nation with these teachers NAMES prominently displayed.

        • We had a case in NJ when I lived there that was different but yet the same. They hired a new principal for the HS. For the first several months he did a good job. Got along well with the kids. Then a reporter investigated his resume and found that his claim to have been called up by the Boston Red Sox to be an outright lie. The school board initial reaction was to overlook the infraction despite the fact that it made them look stupid for not doing their due diligence. The students supported the principal. However, the parents did not. The strongly protested that to leave this man in that position after such a breach of trust was not acceptable. To retain him was tantamount to condoning lying which was an unacceptable lesson to be teaching the kids. Eventually the board relented and bought out his contract. They were far more generous than I would have been. Shoe leather is all he would have gotten from me.

          With respect to the teachers in MI, I would not fire them for speaking their minds. I would fire them for poor judgement and for the fact that I could no longer trust that they would report any child abuser in their midst.

  9. gmanfortruth says:

    @All, Sometimes I reply with cell phone and everything is a bit less that good English, please understand, I try, the phone keyboard is small, LOL, 🙂

    @ Buck, Children die everyday from accidents. It sucks, as I have been through one very close to me. I gathered that you wanted criminal charges on the gun owner in the report you posted. While i agree the owner was negligent, why not the parents as well? Why would a 3 year old be left alone long enough to find the loaded gun?

    It is always a tragedy when a child dies. Funny how 3 years old is different than 6 weeks in the womb! Dead kid is dead kid. Yet you want to penalize the gun owner, who, stupidly left a loaded gun in his baggage in a closet. You do not hold the parents remotely responsible, why is that? I ask because I’m seeing a predudice that should not exist, just like racism. What say you Counselor?

    • In most cases that I’ve come across the parents and the gun owner are one and the same, so no, I do not give the parents a pass. In the instant case I don’t have enough information to pass any judgment on the parents — did they know of the gun? Where/how it was being stored? Etc…

      So do you believe the gun owner should face any consequences? Or should this be swept under the rug as a ‘tragic unavoidable accident’ like so many other cases?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I believe this is a civil matter, not a criminal matter. it’s no less tragic that a car accident whwere a child dies. It was not intended and no laws were broken (unless this is not the case). When children come to visit, I talk to them about what and where not to touch/go, The gun owner going to jail solves nothing.

        • I believe I’ve been pretty clear that I don’t believe every such case should result in jail time, but I do believe there should be some criminal prosecution for such criminally negligent actions which result in the death of an innocent child.

          For all I care, the punishment in most cases can be revocation of one’s license, a fine and perhaps some community service.

          Note this doesn’t preclude a civil suit.

  10. One topic we could debate is Mark Levin’s proposed 11 new amendments.


    • Just A Citizen says:


      I was going to do just that once I have a chance to dig into them a bit.

      I do find it very odd how much coverage he is getting from his media counterparts and others when these ideas have been floating on the internet for at least 5 years.

      It shows how important “star power” is to getting the word out these days. Even with the internet.

    this section:
    (1) “Child” means a person younger than 17 years of
    (2) “Readily dischargeable firearm” means a firearm
    that is loaded with ammunition, whether or not a round is in the
    (3) “Secure” means to take steps that a reasonable
    person would take to prevent the access to a readily dischargeable
    firearm by a child, including but not limited to placing a firearm
    in a locked container or temporarily rendering the firearm
    inoperable by a trigger lock or other means.
    (b) A person commits an offense if a child gains access to a
    readily dischargeable firearm and the person with criminal
    (1) failed to secure the firearm; or
    (2) left the firearm in a place to which the person
    knew or should have known the child would gain access.
    (c) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this
    section that the child’s access to the firearm:
    (1) was supervised by a person older than 18 years of
    age and was for hunting, sporting, or other lawful purposes;
    (2) consisted of lawful defense by the child of people
    or property;
    (3) was gained by entering property in violation of
    this code; or
    (4) occurred during a time when the actor was engaged
    in an agricultural enterprise.
    (d) Except as provided by Subsection (e), an offense under
    this section is a Class C misdemeanor.
    (e) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor
    if the child discharges the firearm and causes death or serious
    bodily injury to himself or another person.
    (f) A peace officer or other person may not arrest the actor
    before the seventh day after the date on which the offense is
    committed if:
    (1) the actor is a member of the family, as defined by
    Section 71.003, Family Code, of the child who discharged the
    firearm; and
    (2) the child in discharging the firearm caused the
    death of or serious injury to the child.
    (g) A dealer of firearms shall post in a conspicuous
    position on the premises where the dealer conducts business a sign
    that contains the following warning in block letters not less than
    one inch in height:

  12. gmanfortruth says:

    A story with more questions than answers: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/justice/australia-student-killed-oklahoma/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

    Questions: Who looks like Obama’s son? Where is Al Sharpten? Where did kids get gun? Should kids parent be held accountable? Is there a major problem within the black community that leads to violence?

    The moral fiber of this nation is really gone in the gutter. I fear many more sad events in the future. 😦

    • “Is there a major problem within the black community that leads to violence?”

      Is this a real question, a provocative one or just something to stir the shit?

      There was a white kid involved, in case you didn’t notice. Did he look like Rush Limbaugh … where was Pat Robertson … was the gun a gift for his 2nd birthday … is there a problem within the white community that leads to violence?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Yes there is. It is called PROGRESSIVES,

        They are driving us poor white people BAT SHIT CRAZY.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        “Is there a major problem within the black community that leads to violence?”

        Is this a real question, a provocative one or just something to stir the shit?

        Charlie, honest question. One kid looks white but is being called black ???? Not sure of the truth there. Does it really matter? The question is honest and needs to be addresed, without the political correctness crap involved, just the facts!

      • Charlie don’t pretend you don’t understand statistics. With 12 percent of the population, black males commit over 40 percent of the crime. The question devolves to WHY? . What is the lowest common denominator at work here? In the pictures posted below, we have one very black kid, one who has a white mother and another who looks white who has rolled on the others. There is a trend emerging which will come to fruition I fear in a few years. It took some 20 years to bring the crime stats down I( think we are seeing a reversal and that reversal is being brought about by a coarsening of society. It is time to look closely at the real causes and they are not guns.

        • Stephen, Stephen, Stephen (think Odd Couple-Oscar, etc.) … “The question devolves to WHY?” Yes, it is … and I can assure you it isn’t as simple as they’re black/they’re bad … maybe they’re living in really horrific conditions (no, not the dust bowl), but having grown up in an environment (not racial environment/environment) where little value is placed on life and planning for retirement isn’t an option (as they perceive it). Please don’t tell me how the Irish had it just as bad … or the eye-talians … they didn’t have it anywhere near as bad (not even close). And when they did face tough times, not all of them grew up to be teachers, they did the same things … evolved into mobs and gangs with as much violence back (percentage wise) … they kept it amongst themselves (killing each other — imagine that, whites killing whites!) … and I’m sure some knucklehead know it alls sitting in their very isolated communities called them animals too … so it goes.

          Nobody is hiding, Stephen … but your answers are way too simple … listen to your pinko son … he knows better … 🙂

          • gmanfortruth says:

            So tell us Charlie, what’s it like to live as a poor young black kid these days? You seem to know an aweful lot about how it is the root cause of their unusual tendencies that lead them to violence, the only answer would be from direct experience! All joking aside, we have always had poor people in this country. Regardless of race, the violence was always there, as you say. However, the level of violence has escalated. Black mobs of teens attacking whites at a fair, groups of black youth robbing stores all over the country, huge fights in public places and on and on. I’m not saying that it’s just a black thing, but the statistics say it is “mostly” those of black race.

            Now, back to your “poor” woe is us excuse for these barbaric actions. Why aren’t the poor white kids doing the same things? How about the poor Latino’s? Ever watch “Gangland”? Interesting show. What I did catch from that show is that most gangs do not target innocents (non gang members). Much like the mob back in the day, wouldn’t you say? Anyway, not trying to start a fight, but when do we stop making excuses for the violent actions of one race of people? Just wondering 🙄

        • And I’m sure you’re aware (sir Stephen), that blacks are given much higher sentences for similar crimes than are whites … (nothing institutional about that form of racism? Really) … and that convictions are higher in similar situations … and nobody on Wall Street is being stopped or frisked for a) drugs … b) white collar crimes … Gee, I wonder why?

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Higher sentences and convictions? Yes, I agree. Why then is this fact not serving as a deterent today? Why are the laws and facts about prison being ignored?

          • Charlie,

            Had they been picking up the guys on Wall Street for possession of blow, we might all be better off. Perhaps we could have avoided 2007-2008’s meltdown.

            But, the guys on Wall Street are not packing rods so, until they equate the blackberry and its derivatives with a Glock they probably won’t be doing stop and frisk.

            Knowing Bloomberg and his feelings about firearms and knowing Ray Kelly who shares them, the entire purpose of Stop and Frisk was not drug related but firearm related. Why? To stop the killing. Where? In the places killings usually occurred. Who? The people who did most of the killings. When? Now. What? To get the illegal guns that do the damage off the street. The above , Who, what, when, where and why answers the traditional reporters questions that they are supposed to ask. Would that our politicians stick to such simple answers rather than to the complex rationalizations they use.

            When I refer you to Daniel Moynihan and Kenneth Clark, I do so to point out that things were not always so bad in the black communities. Things have devolved into chaos over the past fifty years. With the help of well meaning white folks along the way. I have no less an authority for that than Malcolm X.

            What we have seen in the past fifty years is a sickening retreat into self pity for things that happened a long time ago. This benefits no one. You will find the same today in the White community. Just ask a proud Irishman about the Brits or an Armenian about the Turks. Doesn’t matter that the people who committed those atrocities are long dead they still hold grudge.

            I’ve always had a problem as a second generation American born grandson of PA cola miners. We got here forty years after the Civil War ended to create a better life. I know of one instance where my grandfather even saw blacks. My Dad did not deal with them until 1939 when he arrived in NY. After that, he and then I and then my children worked alongside black people. I have no race guilt. We did not hold slaves, we did not know anyone who did, we lived and worked alongside blacks and as long as their goals were our goals we never had a problem with anyone. If certain blacks want to hold me guilty that is their mistake and I will hold them in total, utter contempt, not for their race but for their stupidity. I cannot abide stupid.

            In the “lost battalions” by Slotkin (an excellent read). the author follows three US Army battalions in the first World war. The 305th, 306th and 15th NY Infantry. The first two were lower East Side, speaking twenty languages, the third was the Harlem National Guard unit that went to France under the NY State flag (Pershing did not want them). One member of the 306th, a pre-war emigre was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross. He recounts what it was like in training and in the field to be constantly referred to as “the dumb Polak”. He countered by asking, “Why was it that I had to leave everything behind, family, friends, immigrate to the United States so that I could be called a Dumb Polak instead of a Dirty Jew”? Good question! The stories about the 15th are fascinating. That Guard unit contained both the elite of Harlem and the dregs of Harlem. The book in general gives a great insight into who these people were, how they lived and what their dreams were.

            You leave out the one ethnic group that had it at least as bad as the blacks and for a much longer period. They were called Jews. You know those guys, the Christ killers. Don’t see a lot of Jewish gangs out there doing drive by’s. We can go back to the ’20’s and the ’30’s but those were first generation. The Jews, remember the past but are smart enough not to dwell in the past.

  13. Ok, whoever checks the posts,,,,the article is in review,

  14. Just A Citizen says:

    Last night I watched 3 hrs of PBS show on Muhammad. It seemed pretty good then I noticed a couple small errors or omissions. One was declaring that Qurans had in fact been burned by the military interrogators in Quantonimo. I thought this had been disproven upon investigation. Not enough to discard the entire show but raised a question in my mind.

    Then I noticed it was glossing over some of the controversial stuff with “it cannot be proven” yet claiming all the “good stuff” with “traditional Muslim scholars say”. The simply accepted the Muslim narrative of Jerusalem without mention of the destruction of the Jewish temples during the Caliphate.

    The good thing was the large number of people interviewed who were Muslim and who were putting their religion forward much as Mathius has described here. Some actually condemned the Jihad movement as ANTI ISLAM and against Muhammad’s life examples.

    Of course these people were pretty much all living in the WEST. Two young Brits who were jailed for terrorist activities were also interviewed. They were NOT of the same peaceful interpretations. The interviewer came right out and declared their view as being abhorrent and against the teachings of the prophet.

    Then I remembered this whole theory of “lying” to your enemies and the desire to “spread” Islam. While the show definitely led you to believe this is supposed to be done by FREE WILL of the converts, there was no discussion about how the religion is led from the radicals in the middle east. They highlighted the many conflicts between Islam and the western culture but offered nothing except Islam is a religion of Peace and Community.

    Then at the very end of the credit I noticed who produced the film. I admit I feel a little guilty for questioning the motivations and honesty of the reporting. But such is the nature of this conflict we see today. Here is the site of the production company.


    • Sort of says it all doesn’t it?

      While I acknowledge that it is not fair, I wonder how much credence would be given to a documentary on something like the Roman Catholic Church had it been produced by a priest because he had an unusual insight and knowledge into the workings of the Church.

      This is not to say that someone intimately involved cannot do a fair documentary but it does require that all, repeat all, dirty linen be aired up front

    • Wow-that is unbelievable-surely someone put a stop to this craziness-good grief they are so worried about self esteem but they allow this crap.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        That is insane. I don’t think anyone here would allow that to continue. I would certainly have a talk with the God wanna b.

  15. “This Afternoon I Had an Abortion:” When Children Are No Longer a Blessing

    by Jonathon Van Maren | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 8/21/13 11:41 AM

    Every once in a while, I read something that surprises me with its impact. On Tuesday, I stumbled across an article posted on the “Gender Focus” website just a few minutes before—the opening sentence was: “This afternoon I had an abortion.”

    The word “abortion” doesn’t lose its power when you see what it looks like every day, and when the focus of your week is exposing the public to literature depicting what the Toronto Star called “bloodied, tiny bodies” a few days ago. It’s a word that hides, not reveals. It represents the passing of a human being, forced from this life by our barbarism, our selfishness, and our apathy.

    Reading the “Gender Focus” article, featuring the defiantly relativistic title “My Reality: My Abortion Experience,” it was hard not to feel that this woman’s reality was, indeed, a sad one. When she saw the pregnancy test was positive, she relates, she swore so loudly she was positive her daughter heard her downstairs. But immediately—immediately—she “knew what I wanted to do, knew what I needed to do.”

    What she thought she needed, of course, was an abortion. She needed a doctor to search out the tiny human growing within her, and vacuum it into crimson shreds. This, in our culture, passes as a “need.” Pregnancy is not beautiful—it is a disease. And we have a state-funded, convenient, lethal solution. And effective–the fetus—at least that one—won’t come back. That’s because he or she was an unrepeatable human being, never seen before in human history and never to be seen again.

    As pro-lifers reaching out to our culture, we make the argument that abortion is a human rights violation because it violently ends the life of a human being. We don’t use religion to make our point—and we don’t need to. But when reading a story like this one, I can’t help but think how tragic it is that our society has so completely perverted and destroyed the concept of love. It is one of God’s great blessings that when two people love one another, that love can bring about a completely new human being. Now, that human being is considered by many to be a threat, an inconvenience—even, some say, a parasite. God uses human interactions to bring about brand new, unique, unrepeatable human beings—and we violently carve “Return to Sender” into their tiny corpses and fling them back into Eternity. I shudder to think of it—God’s Blessings, millions upon millions of tiny souls, appearing before Him after the briefest of tenures on Earth, hacked short by the blood-stained hands of those still below.


    Children used to be considered a blessing. Children used to be considered the future, not an inconvenience to our future. Our love now has no room for others—it must be sterile to be fulfilling. It is morbidly interesting to note that the root word of carnality and carnage are the same—carne, or Latin for “flesh.” Today, it seems many times that love has been replaced by carnality—and that carnage has proceeded from it.


    • ” When Children Are No Longer a Blessing ”

      ” Children used to be considered a blessing. Children used to be considered the future, not an inconvenience to our future. ”

      This is a key point that I have also made to people, I think even here on SUFA.

      Society often views babies as dead weight, a burden to pursuing money and career. Why is society not more baby friendly? Why not build a society that promotes and assists parenthood instead of trying to stifle it?

      Viewing babies as an inconvenience is like denial of human nature. Why does society create norms and standards that seeks to stifle procreation?

      • BL, my friend, we are in the process of building our own Tower of Babel. Whether you are religious or not, the parable is appropriate. We have thrown off both religious and moral constraints in an attempt to become, for want of a better word, “God”. We have set ourselves up as superior, not only to the other creatures of the planet but to each other. If you really hear what the rich and famous are saying, you know those folks have a sense of individual superiority over everyone, even their like minded friends.

        This is the new tower they have built. Their lack of empathy for other human beings is their self created punishment and sows the seed of their own destruction. When God threw down the tower and they suddenly all spoke new languages, was the damage any less than what we have today.

        The abandonment of children because they get in the way of Tower building is a sign of how low we have gone. I’ve known many who cannot have children and regret it every day of their lives. I know many others of my own and the current generation who could have but choose not to have children. They lavish their “love” on their dogs or cats or ferrets. Some day, sitting there at the end of their lives, I really wonder what they will think about their choices?

        Unfortunately, nothing will change until there is a huge societal crash which will tear away the inconsequential nonsense people strive for today.

        I try to tell my own children that life is a series of compromises. No one can have it all. To even try demonstrates a degree of hubris which verges on insanity. So, in the menu of life,take one from column A and two from column B with a choice of half a dozen desserts. Don’t gorge on the entree which will ruin your appetite.

        • Here’s what my deal is with religion…

          The concept of wonderment, philosophy of our origins and why we’re here, …the idea of a greater awareness and higher spiritual state of being …I am all for it.

          I read the bible. I research all sorts of beliefs. I mingle with people of different faiths. I ask a lot of tough questions.

          I see a lot of commonality in the message of a lot of religions, a reoccurring theme, if you will. …something ancient predating recorded history. The message is about love and respect, righteousness, peace, tolerance, patience, understanding, and all that is virtuous and moral. It was about how to achieve a better state of being, both as a whole as well as individually, physically and spiritually…a path to what is ‘GOD’.

          That’s what all those parables and ancient myths and such are about. They are lessons and reflection upon ourselves to help humanity become our very best.

          A lot of people missed the point. Instead of finding god, they are worshiping ‘things’ and preaching fear and hate and everything opposite thereof. They are exploiting the message for political gain or control, using it as a justification to violate, for war/genocide…or things like scaring the hell out of children with threats of eternal hell fire and damnation for not following strict dogmatic bullshit.

          Merry (teach your children a lesson is selfishness and materialism by participating in a mass conspiracy to lie to them by telling them there is a jolly fat man with a magic reindeer driven sled that delivers presents through chimneys to good children all over the world) Christmas

          Why not …Merry (teach your children a lesson in giving by donating time and food to a homeless shelter) Christmas ? WWJD?

          People get wrapped so tight around religion that they miss the point. Ultimately, finding what you see as god is something that is going to have to be done on an individual level. Finding a category to fit into and getting wrapped up in it is not going to get you very far. You are not going to find god by eating crackers, arguing someone to spiritual death, because you have this or that blood, or killing faggots and/or infidels.

          When I cannot get a straight answer out of countless people, many of which claim to know the true word of god, there is something wrong with religion. Religion has been perverted and exploited to the point of something disgusting.

          I know what god is. And I don’t need to categorize it. I just need to find it.

          That being said. …damn right we are building our own tower.

          I can sit here for a long long time identifying a gazillion things wrong with humanity. But the bottom line is that we are headed the wrong way. If we continue at current course and speed, my guess is that humanity will either enslave itself by it’s own stupidity and selfish nature, or destroy itself with the sword it lives by.

          Try getting through to people, offer a better way. They won’t listen.

          …like you said…

          ” Unfortunately, nothing will change until there is a huge societal crash which will tear away the inconsequential nonsense people strive for today ”

          ” The abandonment of children because they get in the way of Tower building is a sign of how low we have gone. ”


          ” I’ve known many who cannot have children and regret it every day of their lives. I know many others of my own and the current generation who could have but choose not to have children. They lavish their “love” on their dogs or cats or ferrets. Some day, sitting there at the end of their lives, I really wonder what they will think about their choices? ”

          If people don’t

          I find it interesting, these discussions about abortion and the ‘scientific’ explanation of when life begins, etc.

          Personally, I see children as part of what is the temple of god. They are our path to ‘eternal life’.

          Everything that we are influences our children. They become us, both via our DNA as well as everything we teach them. As we grow old and die, they take the reins, and pass them down to the next. They are the legacy of our creation, of our image and likeness. Creating a life is the closest thing we can do to being godlike. It is a true miracle in my opinion.

          There is no beginning or ending of life. It is a continuum. Life in this world is eternal through our children. – Youth is King

          If people don’t want children, then I say live and let live, but it is my humble opinion that they are denying themselves the real riches in life.

          Indeed, …What does being fruitful without multiplying do for them in the end? What is a ten thousand square foot house, a Ferrari, and a membership at the local country club worth on your death bed?

          • I’ve read it twice now and still am not ready to respond. Suffice it to say that you are spot on.

            I have no idea if you are interested in reading philosophy disguised as science fiction but, if you are, I would suggest getting into Robert Heinlein. For you, Stranger in a Strange Land would be a good place to start followed by J.O.B.

            In “Revolt in 2100” he deals with an America that has become a Religious Dictatorship courtesy of an evangelist called Nehemiah Scudder. In “Stranger” Ben Foster is a powerful televangelist who mixes small doses of religion with pop psychology gathering an immense and powerful following. Neither story outright condemns religion but both warn of its potential cult aspect.

            RAH had unique feelings about religion (and politics). Having read all his stuff, it is interesting to watch his various transformations. While I won’t claim him as inspiration, I will say that as I read along years ago, I would repeatedly agree.

            In the scheme of things I think that God has a sense of humor and at the same time, we are all part of God therefore Heinein’s “Thou art God” is not heretical as many of my contemporaries thought. There is something awfully big out there and we are a part of it.

            Good Post!

            • ” In the scheme of things I think that God has a sense of humor… ”

              Indeed. I am living proof.

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