Egypt Redux

By D13

One cannot explain the happenings in Egypt without delving into history because it is indelibly linked. To fully understand Egypt and its issues, you must also understand the Ottoman Empire and understand it from post World War One. At its peak the Ottoman Empire included the areas of Turkey, Egypt, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, Hungary, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and parts of the Arabian Peninsula and North Africa. It must be also understood that Turkish rule was predominant over this area.

The Treaty of Sèvres, (Aug. 10, 1920), was a post-World War I pact between the victorious Allied powers and representatives of the government of Ottoman Turkey. The treaty abolished the Ottoman Empire and obliged Turkey to renounce all rights over Arab Asia and North Africa. The pact also provided for an independent Armenia, for an autonomous Kurdistan, and for a Greek presence in eastern Thrace and on the Anatolian west coast, as well as Greek control over the Aegean islands commanding the Dardanelles. Rejected by the new Turkish nationalist regime, the Treaty of Sèvres was replaced by the Treaty of Sèvres, (Aug. 10, 1920), post-World War I pact between the victorious Allied powers and representatives of the government of Ottoman Turkey. The treaty abolished the Ottoman Empire and obliged Turkey to renounce all rights over Arab Asia and North Africa. The pact also provided for an independent Armenia, for an autonomous Kurdistan, and for a Greek presence in eastern Thrace and on the Anatolian west coast, as well as Greek control over the Aegean islands commanding the Dardanelles. Rejected by the new Turkish nationalist regime, the Treaty of Sèvres was replaced by the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923. In this, the last of the WWI treaties, was signed by representatives of Turkey (successor to the Ottoman Empire) on one side and by Britain, France, Italy, Japan, Greece, Romania, and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (Yugoslavia) on the other. The treaty was signed at Lausanne, Switz., on July 24, 1923, after a seven-month conference. The treaty recognized the boundaries of the modern state of Turkey. Turkey made no claim to its former Arab provinces and recognized British possession of Cyprus and Italian possession of the Dodecanese.

Ok, enough of the brief history of the Ottoman Empire. All of these Arabia Asian enclaves became hard and fast monarchies and are still ruled as kingdoms by the families despite any supposed “democratic” elections. The Monarchs control the money and the power. After WWII. with the advent of the Cold War, and the Soviet Union, at the time, trying to gobble up all it could to expand its world influence, stepped into the fray and in 1956, the Middle East, as it became to be known, erupted. It was a volatile region, with the Americans and Soviets competing for influence among various nations just emerging from colonial domination and the Americans also trying simultaneously to back Israel in its conflicts against its Arab neighbors while also pursuing alliances with several of those same Arab states. And through it all, the region’s immense wealth in oil took on greater and greater strategic importance.
In Egypt, nationalist leader Gamal Abdal Nasser had asked the United States to finance the construction of the Aswan High Dam, a major hydroelectric and irrigation project on the Nile River. But the promised aid was withdrawn when Nasser seemed to flirt with Communism. Nasser’s response was surprising—he seized the Suez Canal from the British-French company that operated it. He said he would use the canal revenues to pay for the dam. In response to this “Suez crisis,” on 29 October 1956, Israeli suddenly attacked Egypt, smashing the ill-prepared Egyptian army. Two days later, Britain and France also joined the war, bombing Egypt and landing paratroopers to fight there.
The result of the crisis was to make the US a major player in the Middle East, replacing the British and French as the dominant foreign power in the region. The president, Eisenhower, solidified this position in January 1957 by proposing what became known as the Eisenhower Doctrine. When passed by Congress, it gave the president the authority to intervene in the region with aid, military assistance, or direct force, whenever he felt that a country there was threatened by the Soviets.

Ike applied the Doctrine in 1958, sending 14,000 US Army and Marine Corps soldiers into Lebanon to support the Christian government there against an Islamic faction seen as leaning toward Communism. Though the military accomplished its mission without casualties, the intervention had its drawbacks. By supporting Christians against Muslims in a local dispute, the action erased much of the goodwill Eisenhower had gained among Arabs by his Suez stance. Eisenhower saw the Middle East as an arena for a grand chess match with the Soviets. He supported or opposed the policies of governments there depending on whether he felt they were leaning toward Communism, not on their own merits. Many criticized him for failing to recognize the complex motivation and desires of Third World leaders and populations. Historian D.C. Watts wrote that Ike’s “incursion into the Middle East with the Eisenhower Doctrine was an unmitigated disaster.” For better or worse, Eisenhower’s actions involved the US directly in the tangled and bitterly contested affairs of the region. Half a century later, the United States remains as entangled as ever in Middle Eastern affairs.

D13 surmises – the above history is very important to the region today. Every President, until Obama, has observed the Eisenhower Doctrine as gospel and reacted accordingly, by propping up monarchies, theocracies, and turning a blind eye towards despots that “supported” our position against the Russians and the Chinese. The Middles East is a chess board of sorts and the oil is a convenient excuse for our intervention. But what is forgotten in all of this, is that nothing is changing in the minds of Mullahs and clerics. The restoration of the Persian Empire and one caliphate is still the primary target for the fundamentalists. We still prop up the monarchies and families of the old school. Why? Because it is to our advantage to keep these monarchies separate to keep the region destabilized supposedly in our national interest. However, the Persian Empire history runs very deep and the colonialism of France, Britain, United States, Russia, and other powers keeps the flames of a united empire burning.
Iran has a huge stake in this. Backed by Russia and China, (tacit allies at best) and the fall of the US backed Shah, Iran is trying to consolidate the rule of the old Persian and Ottoman Empires under one Caliphate. But, standing in their way is Egypt, the primary stabilizing force, backed by the United States AND ALL OF THE STILL REMAINING MONARCHIES. …..the Kingdoms, if you will. The reason that the United States will not call the Egyptian overthrow a coup is not in the best interest of the United States, however, the actions of Obama and his buddying up relationship with Hamas and Hezbollah, is beginning to isolate the United States from the only allies we have over there. Even Jordan is getting fed up with the Obama Administration its backing of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Now it is important to understand the who and what the Muslim Brotherhood is. The Brotherhood’s credo is, “Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.” The Brotherhood is a movement, not a sect, tribe. or a loose organization of ne’er do wells. It is an organized mafia….plain and simple. That is all it is and it wants to control the Persian Empire. It started as an Islamist movement back in the 1930’s but has morphed into a mafia style organization patterned after the Russian mafia after the end of the cold war. It currently has several Russian counter parts now advising the Brotherhood in covert activities…..NON MILITARY covert activities. (How to organize local indigenous populations, controlling, and executing). In short, it is a revolutionary/mafia Council…..but really well organized and primarily funded through Iran.
Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Kuwait view the Muslim Brotherhood – the Arab world’s most influential Islamist movement – as a significant security threat to the region’s authoritarian governments. Saudi Arabia and other Gulf kingdoms have pledged about $12 billion in aid to Egypt since the army toppled the democratically elected Morsi on July 3. “Saudi Arabia has stood and stands today with our brothers in Egypt against terrorism, deception and sedition,” King Abdullah said in a speech addressing the unrest in Egypt, during which he also praised the country’s military leadership.
Experts say it’s not surprising to see Saudi Arabia put security concerns in front of diplomacy. Saudi Arabia “will step in very, very fast when they feel their interests are in danger,” said Michael Stephens, a Qatar-based researcher at RUSI, an international security think tank. “The kingdom fears that the Muslim Brotherhood would work to subvert [the Gulf] monarchies region-wide.” In the past, American aid to Egypt has included armored personnel carriers, helicopters, anti-aircraft missiles, surveillance systems, fighter jets and tanks, as well as training. The U.S. has poured more than $70 billion in military and economic aid into Egypt since 1948.”The United States may have a broad concern with democracy and human rights. States within the region are more concerned with their security,” said Anthony Cordesman, former national security assistant to Senator John McCain and current Arleigh A. Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Read Very closely to what was said…..It shows that the US still does not understand the history of the Middle East. It is plain to see that Obama, has absolutely NO CLUE as to how to handle this situation. Backing sitting Hamas and Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood at the table….will solve nothing and will only exacerbate a centuries old issue. The Monarchies will never allow their security to be threatened. The US should just let the region handle the problem. Pulling aid to Egypt and giving aid to Syrian Rebels will further deepen the rift. Why? Because we do not learn from history. There is no KUMBAYAH approach to the Middle East.
The really funny thing about all of this…….Iran is a pawn in the Brotherhood’s scheme of things. Iran will never survive if the Brotherhood gains control. Oh, and before any ask, the Muslim Brotherhood is NOT THEPEOPLE’s choice. One must also understand what a “democratic” election in the Middle East actually is.


  1. gmanfortruth says:

    🙂 Will comment later.

  2. Nice analysis. Some stuff I had not thought about before.

    Quick question that I have been coming back to for years with the Russians. Given their own problems with Islam, their backing of various regimes in the Middle East seems short sighted.

    Do they do what they do as a poke in the nose to us? If you mix up the ME mess and the US feels it has to intervene then it costs us plenty.

    Or, is there another plan at work?

    Helping Iran with nuclear capability does not seem like the brightest idea unless having the US worry about it in the short term beats dealing with it and the Chechnyans and the other Muslim factions living within Russian boundaries in the long run.

    Does China’s ascendance play a role? Last time around it was a straight US-USSR confrontation.I assume that the Russians are as worried about the Chinese as we are in the long run. Are Russian moves based on thwarting China?

    • “Do they do what they do as a poke in the nose to us?” A pretty good question. The Russians do not want a US presence in that part of the world anyway so an unholy alliance with Iran and Afghanistan is slightly in their interest, given the pipeline they wish to keep safe. Russia does not want China too close either. The Russians also do not want a nuclear weapon Iran any more than we do so they are careful as to the type of assistance that is rendered.

      What is playing out in the ME is a three dimensional chess game. Russia’s Islamic population is primarily Dagistani and Tartar descent…..old theater sworn enemies of the Shi’as, which comprises approximately 90 percent of Iran. The rest of Iran is mostly Kurd…which are Western friendly for the most part. It is so important to understand what is at play in the trenches. The differing tribal conflict among Islam is as alive today as it is 5,000 years ago. The divisions run deep.

      At the end of the cold war, the vacuum left in eastern Europe created the Mafia movement which was started by the ousted KGB types that were hard core. With mafia type control, Eastern Europe was left alone for the most part and what has settled out are “states” that have government BUT are controlled by a Mafia. The same is beginning to happen with the Middle East Muslim Brotherhood… is actually a mafia type of movement that wants to control the gulf region Arab states.

      All of this posturing creates another vacuum. Enter China. Right now a small player….because China does have an economic problem that is going to stem their outreach…..but they are a player none the less. So, in the absence of a strong American leadership and presence, that leaves a hole. That region of the world does not understand diplomacy except at the end of a sword. Strength is power…talk is cowardice. That is how they think.

      • I have to honestly say that I am totally confused by this entire mess. I think LOI (below) may have it right. In any event I cannot see anything positive for the area coming out of this Administration and the next administration, regardless of who they are, is going to have a lot of cleaning up to do.

        D-13, in your experience, have you ever seen a less competent bunch of people than we have running the show now? I assume that you have probably read at least as much history as I, so, let me expand my question to ask if you ever heard of anybody in history being less competent. The only thing I can come up with is Europe immediately before WW 1 when absolutely everybody was miscalculating everything.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          How about the Bush Administrations calculation on Iraq???

          How about the Carter Administrations calculations on the middle east and the boycott of Russia???

          • From my perspective, everybody has been wrong for a long, long time. The Brits and the French practiced realpolitik when they went into Suez. We practiced progressivism. I think it was their call and Eisenhower should have stayed out. After all, this was mess they created at Versailles.

            The Colonel points out that we jumped into Leabonon in the late ’50’s because bad things were happening to Christians who may just have been able to take care of themselves. Fifty years down the road, see how effective that decision was? How many Christians are left? How many have been killed in the intervening years? When you hear the stories of Coptic Christians in Egypt or the slaughter of Christians in “free” Iraq it seems that both the Bush and Obama administrations are perfectly willing for them to shed their blood in vain pursuit of some nebulous and frankly impossible pipe dream out of DC.

            If you talk about anybody’s decisions on the Mideast, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, they are all wrong! They have no clue of who and what they are dealing with. They suffer from the insane delusion that, “people are the same all over”. While we are talking about a totally different ethnic group here, Saipan and Okinawa should have put that chestnut to rest for once and all. Every single suicide bombing in the past 12 years including 9/11 should also put the lie to it.

          • Bush on Iraq……Not on the same scale…the Bush thing was calculated and the response was bi partisan even if the intelligence was faulty. I, personally, think that the Bush thing was to finish what dad started, It never should have happened.

            Carter was a total idiot. The boycott of Russia was not a bi partisan effort. As a matter of fact, his own party did not want to do that. As far as his opinion of the middle east……Carter looked through the looking glass like Obama looks through it thinking the world revolves around him.

            The Nixon Administration comes to mind for me, A really inept administration and his policy towards China.

            Clinton’s China policy has hurt us worse than even Obama’s.

            But I have to admit, i am a hawk and diplomacy and appeasement from a position of weakness….we get what we ask for…….and right now……our reputation in the world today is worse than I have ever seen it.

            • What I wonder is if Ike was right to counter the Russians. Would the US have been better off allowing them to expand unchecked? Of secondary importance, would the world have been a better place, which matters because the US is part of that world & we sell/trade with it. I think if left unchecked, they & China would have brought about WW3, or we would now have three superpowers and their subject nations, East, West & Asia…..

  3. Great Job D13! I remember the Saudi’s & Israel warned Obama not to speak out on Egypt. But he either thought himself smarter than everyone else or he wanted to destabilize the region.

    Now Egypt is having a civil war. What is the US position. Syria has called Obama’s bluff & crossed his “red line” with poison gas. What will & what should the US do? I say stay as much out of it as possible. Escort US shipping, etc, but it’s not our war.

      • Can’t really expect much more from these Keystone Cops trying to play grown-up. How the hell do we even know who did what to whom ? These folks are masters of deception and are perfectly willing to sacrifice thousands to get a point across.Sometime look up the Iraq-Iran war which Saddam started. This thing kept up for a decade and both sides were willing to sacrifice an entire generation to accomplish nothing.

        Needless to say, had Carter not toppled the Shah, the war would never have happened since Saddam was not into suicide but his perception of a vastly weakened Iran led to his move. Iran was militarily weak at the time but was perfectly willing to sacrifice all its young boys to stop Iraq.

        • Just don’t know what would have happened. I suspect at best, the Middle East countries Or tribes) would have waged wars against themselves. Worst case, they would unite against a common enemy (Israel or the US) and wage war against them. If you want peace in their culture, you have to FORCE that peace. Doing so is bloody and you end up losing your own values? Peace, at what cost? Has anyone ever been successful? The empires that conquered them from the Romans to the British, how did that peace work out for anyone?

  4. Sorry, just had to throw this in. Can’t we send them OSHA?

  5. Just A Citizen says:

    Re the Russians.

    Did anyone mention that perhaps they are trying to GET EVEN for Afghanistan??

    Their interest has been stated before as that of gaining access to open water ports. The colonel mentioned the pipeline as well.

    Given their past behavior I wouldn’t be surprised to see them trying to destabilize all sides so that nobody can ever step forward and take the full power.

    • I said awhile back, I don’t trust us anymore either. This reshaping the world crap as some kind of destiny for the US is just nuts. I’d love to know what Putin is thinking.

  6. Forget Putin, Stephen … here you are at Noir at the Bar … 🙂
    Elmore Leonard … Noir at the Bar … Of Human Bondage …

  7. I’m really going to be pissed if we pay for hormone therapy for Pvt. Manning. That should be an elective surgery covered out of pocket. Man up Manning! 🙄

    • gmanfortruth says:

      This is what happens when someone is in solitary confinement for so long. Now that this mess is over, just how much damage to the “country” did he cause?

    • It will be very interesting with our new LGBT friendly military, I have been following along with “Army Times” and “Air Force Times” and the military is all Gung Ho these days to prove how Gay friendly it is up to and including providing non chargeable leave time so gays and lesbians can travel to a state that allows gay marriage and get married. It may take a court case but I will bet they (we) pay for it.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I still don’t think gays will be a major problem in the military. The straights will keep them inline and most gays will still not come out. I don’t think there are many in the military to begin with, maybe more females than males.

        I do question why Liberals are pushing homosexuality so hard. But what do I know. Two black kids beat an 88 year old white man to death and they are already saying it’s not racial. I say bring back public hangings and make them very public. We can start with Obama and Congress and work our way to Wall St. 🙂

    • It will help his first parole hearing. Chicks crying get breaks, guys crying get told to man up!

  8. Just A Citizen says:

    Time for a little funny moment. WELCOME to MY WORLD. Yes Colonel, these people are REAL and they reproduce and immigrate here constantly.

    And the answer to the one question is YES, this is where young people come to retire….on the streets. It is the “new cool” thing to “experience”.

    • I think all these folks need a ten year long financial depression followed by a major World War. What shakes out at the end is worth saving.

      I do admit I like the barefoot commune guy though. Great way to get chicks who are slightly above jailbait and not quite half your age. Worked well in the ’60’s still working now! Too bad I grew up with a sense of honor and morality. Friends say that I could re-invent myself into any persona I desired. I can peddle the BS that well. Ahhhh, those lost opportunities.

  9. More of the typical (and massively erroneous) Iran=bad guys nonsense – sorry, D13.
    There is no action past or present to support such a fallacious characterization.

    The history of the region is a history of colonialism which continues essentially unabated today. The conflict is between the indigenous people demanding political power to define their own future vs. the colonialists (British, French and American) refusing such.

    • Not so far removed from those people in Portland OR in JAC’s post who are all revolting against the cultural colonialism of our society.

      Did I or did I not say something about the Tower of Babel the other day?

    • When the man (BF, if he’s a man:)) is right, he’s right …

      • Just A Citizen says:

        But he is wrong, so now what?

      • Just A Citizen says:
        • Communism sounds very noble however it is impractical. The only way it can work would be if the masses were all given a pre frontal lobotomy or were wasted on drugs. In those cases, with the desire to achieve taken out of the equation, we could all be good little worker bees. But, and it is a big but, there would have to be someone(s) leading the bees, wouldn’t there?

          • So true. I think the telling point is it just doesn’t work. They can say Russia & China were not true Communist governments, but that was their “noble Goal”, and they failed. How many millions die because dreamers insist their vision of utopia is possible and obtainable?

        • The problem with that, JAC … is Great Neck … big money … HUGE bucks to live there … so a single story (a bad one at that) maybe helps you sleep better at night (keeping the delusion alive) … but I read three paras down and say, “Oy vey.”

          As for capitalism … well, it’s the mess we have today … getting worse by the hour … and that’s no story … it’s fact.

    • Hi BF…….you are mis reading(or I am not being concise enough). I agree that colonialism was/is the problem and tried to convey the same…the deep rooted history……I do, however, stand behind the caliphate issue and there is plenty to support that. The people of Iran, from my years of association, are actually pretty moderate….but the people of Iran…do not run Iran……….AND the gulf states are scared to death of Iran…..

      Iran, for the most part, is falling victim to the puppeting….colonialism, if you want to call it that….but it is no longer the US that is calling the shots nor yanking the strings of Iran…..

      Now, it will be interesting to see who or what replaces A-Jad…….but I will forever stand behind the caliphate issue ( the article I wrote a couple of years ago has become true….(so far 100 percent)…..and, I think, if the Egyptian Army falls short….and the monarchies fail….the rest of my prediction will happen.

    • I side with the Colonel. I think his point on how important the tribal mentality is to the region is spot on! Then expand that to Iran being the largest state sponsor of terrorism, you have a “tribe” in control of a government. They are pushing their religious agenda in Iraq & Syria, just to name two. The same can be said about the Saudi’s. From their schools, the 9/11 terrorists were raised. They seem to practice a different, more acceptable form of terrorism that can be sold to the western masses as acceptable.

  10. Hey, Wingies … this one, even I’m all for putting two behind this kid’s ear …,0,2290418.story

    • One could make the argument that the Trayvon thing has caused all this. Every time you turn around someone in authority from POTUS on down is “deploring” it and implying justice was not served. These young punks are merely responding to the negativism.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        THere are lots of talk of an impending race war. Not quite sure what one would look like, but many are fed up with the stupid killings by young barbarians.

        In other news, local business owners (over a lot of square miles) are gearing up to stop sending federal taxes to the feds, but to hold them in private safes until Congress and Obama get their act together. This I find refreshing, want to change things, starve them!

        • Race war would probably be a bit one sided though looking at those folks in Portland OR that JAC linked us to, they would probably all be dead within a week. The idea is dumb and anyone pushing it is suicidal.

          Good luck to the business owners. I have seen IRS selectively in action and it ain’t pretty.

        • I’ll assume (for peace sake) you are referring to any kid who would kill someone and not just black kids, G … there are plenty of white kids doing the same dopey thing.

          • Black Flag® says:

            Sadly, that’s not wholly true.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Charlie, I’m talking about a race war. This is just chatter, not likely to happen without a major trigger.

            • It won’t happen, G. There will likely be a class war first, but even that won’t happen in our lifetime … maybe our grandchildren.

              BF, what’s not wholly true? I don’t know the stats (official stats), but I’m pretty sure there are plenty of white kids doing equally horrible shit … I grew up with a few doing life … white kids from middle class homes … got in with the wrong crowd, maybe had some evil in their hearts to start with, but responsible for in excess of 35 murders (officially), the unofficial count was closer to 200 … that is documented … sick shit … mostly in the 70’s and 80’s … but it wasn’t too long ago where some kids pounded a gay guy in Greenwich village (of all places) … unthinkable … then another on 2nd avenue …. crazy people is all I can say.

              • Black Flag® says:

                No doubt, Charlie, white men can be as evil.

                But that stats are true. By percentage of each, more blacks kill blacks and more blacks kill whites.

                This is not to condemn blacks, but to condemn their parents.

                At the end of World War II, 90 percent of black families consisted of a mother and father and children raised and disciplined by their parents. The churches to which these families went on Sundays were stronger. Black schools may have been largely segregated, but they were also the transmission belts of patriotism and traditional values.

                Though such schools graduated hardworking, law-abiding and productive citizens, today they would be closed as unconstitutional.

                Today, seventy-three percent of black kids are born to single moms. Black kids who make it to 12th grade may often be found reading at seventh-, eighth- or ninth-grade levels. In some cities the black dropout rate can hit as high as 50 percent.

                Drugs are readily available. And among black males ages 18 to 29, in urban areas, often a third are in prison or jail, or on probation or parole, or walking around with a criminal record.

                Where do the kids get their ideas of right and wrong, good and evil? In homes where the father is absent and the TV is always on. From radios tuned in to rap and hip-hop.

                From films where Hollywood values prevail and the shooting never stops. From street gangs that sometimes form the only families these kids have ever known.

                Still, crime has fallen since 1990, we are told.

                And so it has. But that is only because the baby boomers, the largest population cohort in our history, passed out of the high-crime age group a quarter of a century ago, and because the jail and prison population in America has tripled.

                What kind of leadership do we see today in Black America?

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Charlie, had you actually read the first 3 words of my post, I was referring to the talk of others, not what I feel. They (note the word “they”) are fed up with the barbaric crimes committed by black teens. This is just talk on the street and in doctors offices around the area. Nobody is likely to travel far from home to start a race war, so you shouldn’t worry about anything harming the poor black kids in the inner cities. Well, except for them killing each other. 🙄

          • Statistically, it is not wholly true.

  11. Watched O’Reilly tonight. Scott Brown was filling in. Handsome devil, but I can see why he did not win his election. He does not get it.

    The opening monologue was an attempt to portray modern Tea Party types as extremists and out of touch purists. The example he gave was of how Reagan worked together with Tip O’Neill to get things done. Her then went on to say that that would have resulted in Reagan being called a Rino by modern Republicans. This so called Republican actually believes this.

    Tip O’Neill was one of the last old style democrats. Ideology was tempered both by reality and by love of country. Take any modern democratic issue, abortion, gun control, gay marriage, the out of control entitlement programs and tell me where O’Neill would have stood on those issues. Tell me where saint JFK would have stood, certainly not with the current party and these were not dumb neanderthal men.

    Neither Brown nor the other “moderates” seem to be able to understand that this democratic party is not the same as it was before McGovern, the ’68 Chicago riots or the Vietnam War. Clinton was perhaps the last exception. Maybe that’s what he got from Fulbright. Clinton was a pragmatist and not a true believer. He believed in getting things done in small steps through compromise. Of course, he tried to ram them down your throat first but he quickly backed off if that did not work. Not so today. It is their way on everything. The “compromise” sought is the same compromise we asked of the Germans and Japanese in 1945. You can keep your country’s name but that’s about it.

    Later on in the show, Brown allowed a dem spokeswoman to repeat and repeat the mantra that the Republicans are the party of no. He very poorly pointed out that the democrats vote in lockstep. Had he had half a brain he would have used Obamacare as an example pointing out that every single democrat supported it and that no, repeat no republican changes, amendments or attempts at moderation were even allowed to be discussed. Unfortunately the age of compromise is dead.What is there left to compromise with? I think it was Haig in 1918 who gave the famous speech in the spring of 1918 during the final German offensive on the western front which began, “With our backs to the wall……”.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      When good compromises with evil, evil wins.

      • That is a hard concept for many to understand.

      • ” Not knowing ” basically defines ignorance. So if not knowing is the root of evil, then what is ” Not telling “?

        If ignorance is evil, and knowledge is the cure, and learning is the process of attaining knowledge, which requires a teacher…

        What responsibility does that put on the those who know with regard to sharing?

        Because everything boils down to choice, so, one could argue that not sharing is a willful choice to promote evil/ignorance. A compromise maybe?

        Perhaps ” not telling ” is closer to evil than ignorance. Because ignorance is not always a choice. Especially if it is knowledge is willfully being withheld from those who want to know.

        I am not sure it is really about that anyway. If you are withholding knowledge, why are you doing it? Are your motives selfish in nature?

        Is it about knowledge, or an abuse of free will? What drives it? Selfishness? The desire for a win/lose over others? The ugly part of human nature that promotes our inner ‘Id-ish’ reptilian thinking?

        • Just A Citizen says:


          I disagree with the premise that “ignorance” is EVIL.

          • I was just building from something you once said about the root of evil being about ‘not knowing’. (I suppose I could go hunt it down if necessary.)

            Don’t get me wrong, I can certainly understand the wisdom in the point, as ignorance/not knowing can be harmful depending on the circumstances..

            • Just A Citizen says:


              It is possible but more likely that I said “deliberate interference” with another persons ability to think or understand is evil.

              Lack of knowledge is not a problem. It is REFUSAL to address that lack of knowledge and to continue acting in random and WISHFUL ways hoping that one gets “lucky”.

              So lets say it is all related. Just don’t want to confuse lack of knowledge, aka ignorance, with lack of “thinking”.

  12. Someone asked on here if they ever remember such an inept/evil administration before (or something like that). I present Exhibit #2,409,593 below. Social media is certainly part of today’s messaging/campaigning. But really? Remember, this is our former UN Ambassador, now head of National Security. Unbelievable.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Nope. Congress already authorized this back in 2001.

      How soon we all forget………………

  13. @G “Charlie, had you actually read the first 3 words of my post, I was referring to the talk of others, not what I feel.”

    I was referring to the constant use of the word barbarians, G …

  14. Don’t know if anyone got the opportunity to watch yesterday’s events from the Capitol. All told I probably watched half an hour. I had two thoughts:

    1. Organized by Al Sharpton and the National Action Network it was an insult to a great man Whether I agreed completely with Dr. King or not, he was a great man. I mean, Al Sharpton/Tawana Brawley?

    2. By not showing, the rodeo clown both dismissed the memory of the great man as not being worthy of his own greatness and indicated by his absence that there has been exactly no progress in the past fifty years. Did not see Holder who did come and apparently alluded to some progress. Dd see the Obama Flags prominently displayed as well as the Trayvon signs. A certain cognitive dissonance in that!

    • It’s late and I’m too tired to write out my thoughts about this article but I’m really curious about people’s opinions about the man’s thoughts. I’ll comment further later, if anyone responds. One other thing, what does “Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.” mean?

      Dear Black Thugs: You’re Making It Hard For White Devils to Believe You’re Innocent Children
      Doug Giles | Aug 25, 2013
      Doug Giles
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      According to the Media, President Obama and the slick-haired Al Sharpton, we white devils are supposed to feel very sorry for the plight of the black teen.

      I believe Americans, by and large, do have sympathy for any person or group who’ve had life deal them a bad hand.

      However, young black thugs, you’ve got to work with us a little bit because you’re kind of operating against the storyline the aforementioned are singing about y’all, and thus, making it difficult for us to soulfully commiserate.

      Of what, pray tell, do I speak?

      Well, homeslice, it goes something like this: For us to give a crap about your below-par existence we’d like to hear less and less about…

      – Your ghastly grades in school

      – Your ridiculous dropout rates

      – Your colossal out of wedlock birthrates

      – Your embracing of a musical culture that celebrates the shooting of cops and doing filthy, vile things to someone’s daughter

      – Your love affair with drugs and alcohol

      – Your #hatethem tweets aimed at white people

      – Your flash mobbing and robbing places and people

      – Your audacity to blame everybody and their dog for your odious behavior

      – And your ginormous, misplaced racial chip on your shoulder

      Yes, if you could/would chill on some of that stuff, well … That’d be great. That would make us crackers think, “Hey, maybe you’re serious about getting out of the ditch you’re in.”

      Another difficult thing that makes it hard for us to believe you’re just poor, helpless victims of the machine is when a couple of teens from your crew gun down an innocent, twenty-two-year-old, white, Aussie student just to spice up the inherent boredom which accompanies the dog-days of summer. That act of uncut evil helps us not. Yep, that heinous stunt really makes all this “poor you” crap fly right out our windows.

      And lastly, and I hate to be negative, but there was one more incident perpetrated by two black teens this week that also unraveled the sweet story Sharpton and the President would have us believe. It was the beating death of an eighty-eight-year-old, WWII vet in Spokane, Washington. That demonic deed, coupled with the murder of Chris Lane this week, makes it impossible for anyone with a brain to feel anything towards your personal dilemma except, “Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.”

      Yes, the brutal murder of someone’s grandpa and the senseless slaying of someone’s son by black thugs this past week do nothing but reinforce what the FBI National Crime Victimization Survey concluded, namely, that young black males are seven times more likely to commit murder than people of other races.

      So, young black thugs, if you’d like us to empathize, trust and help you with a hand-up, howzabout cease and desist with the inhumane behavior, huh? Until then, we’ll be suspicious of young black teens, traveling in groups, taking an unusual interest in our person, especially if they’re dressed like gangbangers and are acting suspiciously.

      Call us weird.

      • The same as WTF – What the F@#$

      • My city is weird. 50% white 43% black. Our high school is 80% black. That’s a lot of whites either sending kids to the charter school or out of town. We don’t have a thug problem, here. Why? Because there’s an awful lot of black dads PRESENT..not just at the home but at the school too. I WISH the whites would learn a lesson from the blacks around here. It’s watch the black families walk into the gym. The parents all greet each other warmly..then the kids greet the adults warmly. All of them. The respect between can just sense it. It just doesn’t stick out like that with the white families.

        The neighboring district has suddenly been dissolved as insolvent by the governor. This year, our district is forced to absorb 1/4 of the students from that district..100% black..and from word on the street, in the news, etc. its 100% black thugs. Why? Ain’t no dads present in that city! Everyone is on edge suddenly about having to take on those students. Even our blacks are worried about the upcoming year. I’ll certainly be worried more about my son, with his own short fuse..more this year than last.

        To the article..all the excuses..that’s what it is..excuses for adult’s failures..failing to keep the family together, then throwing their hands in the air and justifying their kid’s behavior with excuses..and that’s where Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot comes in..W. T. F. ?

        ( now maybe I can catch a few more winks before 5am )

        • I’m gonna use someone elses words to complete my thoughts:

          Now consider the fact that decent black people are the people who are most harmed by this violent subculture. They are the closest to the problem and suffer the most from it. But we all suffer from this growing cancer and ignoring the problem is simply one way to commit national suicide.

          This problem is not about skin color. The real problem is bad values. There is nothing about having melanin in your skin that will protect you from the natural consequences of destructive values. Violent, hostile, uneducated, misogynistic men who do not care for their children will not be successful… anywhere, ever. And no civilization can survive the degradation of its women. Thug culture celebrates the degradation of women.

          Think about the Vietnamese refugees or other Asian refugees who came to this country from lives of severe deprivation. They had nothing…except good values. With hard work, education, family values, self-discipline and perseverance, most achieved the American Dream in a short amount of time. In one generation, they were often small business owners and valedictorians. Fortunately for them, they had no putative leaders teaching them victimhood and hopelessness. No one told them it was someone else’s job to make their lives successful.

          If we discuss this problem openly we will be called racists. People will say we are finally “showing our true colors”. We will be called liars. Thug culture will be defended. They will say we are afraid of black masculinity, as though violent bravado is praiseworthy. There will be a large leftist effort to stop people from saying what needs to be said.

          We should ignore the criticism and steadfastly pursue Martin Luther King’s dream of living in a nation where people “will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” This dream strikes fear in the hearts of current civil rights ‘leaders’ who abhor the idea of character judgments. They live in the past. For them, it is all about skin color.

          In my view, no one has done more to impede the progress of black people than black ‘leaders” and other leftists in the racial grievance industry. They sell exactly the wrong message of victimhood, telling blacks on the dependency plantation that none of their problems are their fault and nothing is their responsibility. Could you find a better formula for creating an angry, dependent population than to tell them that all of their problems are caused by others and all of their needs are someone else’s job to fill. From Sharpton to Obama, the message is destructive, though it does maintain the desired voting block.

          Accepting lower standards of behavior for black people is a form of racism. Only a racist would say that black people are not capable of joining civilized society on an equal footing. Do blacks need lower standards because they are inferior people? This is the soft bigotry of low expectations. Violent, ignorant, parasitic thug culture is not a built- in defect. It comes from bad values which are created and supported by bad social policy. The violent subculture persists because of an absurd level of tolerance on our part.

          I didn’t post the whole article-go to the link if you want to read it. One other thing-At some point hopefully we will all realize, people of all races, that the problem really isn’t racial-it’s the few among us that use fear and hate to separate us and screw it up for the rest of us.

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  16. Syrian rebels say hundreds dead in chemical weapons attack……

    I have seen the uncensored pics….it is Sarin gas, most likely.

    I still say that it is Syria’s war and we need to butt out.

    • Also, be very careful……..surgical strikes often lead to ground incursions……leave Syria alone. Leave Iran alone, leave Iraq alone, leave Afghanistan alone, leave the Palestinians alone….

      Fund the Egyptian military and let them have at it. Or…the US does not even have to fund the Egyptian Military…..the kingdoms will. The only thing that will hurt the region…..Iran obtaining nukes.

      • Total agreement. Question though, in your opinion, why would the Assad government use Sarin gas knowing everyone else is watching?

        The converse of that is the rebels using the gas to discredit the government. Last night was watching a show on German propaganda the summer before the invasion of Poland. Newsreel after newsreel in the movies on “Polish” incursions into Germany and Polish atrocities against ethnic Germans. All turned out to be disinformation.

        Lastly, after Saddam doesn’t just about everybody in that part of the world have a closet full of some chemical/bio/nuke agent laying around?

        • My thoughts exactly SKT. I can not think of any logical reason for the Assad government to gas the citizen when they still have the army. Of course it could be that they are not acting logically, all though I am leaning more toward someone else using gas to discredit the Assad government.

        • You ask..”Question though, in your opinion, why would the Assad government use Sarin gas knowing everyone else is watching? ”

          The Assad administration knows that there is no one to stop him. He has the backing of the Saudis and Russia. The UN is powerless and will do absolutely nothing. Intimidation is the name of the game. The one mistake that everyone tends to make concerning the ME…is that they care for life. They only care for life if it suits their interests. One only has to look at the warring factions of the rebels to determine that. There is not one group of rebels, there are several and they will fight each other as well as the Assad government.

          Lastly, you ask, after Saddam doesn’t just about everybody in that part of the world have a closet full of some chemical/bio/nuke agent laying around?

          Yes, of course. Especially Syria. they got most of the chems just prior to the Iraq invasion. Russia is also a major

  17. Just A Citizen says:

    Time to share a comment I made yesterday on HuffPo after reading another Colin Powell lecture to Republicans and his discussion of Trayvon Martin.

    He is aiming for one of two things. Both involve CHANGING PARTIES.

    He will run for POTUS as a Dem in 2016, OR

    He is seeking the Dem VP seat to run with Hillary.

    There you have it…… My Going out on a limb prediction.

    The only thing that could change this is Jeb Bush suddenly becoming the LEADER of the Elephant Party.

  18. It may be hard hearted of me but I care not if they gas each other. Bush got Congressional authorization to go into Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama skipped that process in Libya. It appears he is skipping it again. I care not what other countries do or think. Most of them talk big as long as it is our stick that gets used. We have no business in Syria as long as this contagion does not spread to Israel. They have nothing we need. It matters not who wins as we will have no influence anyway.

    If Obama charges in then I would support impeachment.

  19. Warning to Obama…….do not attack Syria. You do not have the muscle. You have no carrier group in the Arabian Gulf, you have no coalition of international support, you will engage China and Russia, you will be no different that George Bush or Bill Clinton, you have no Secretary of State that is respected, you have no exit strategy, and you have no reserve forces on standby ( the carrier group cannot get to the Arabian Gulf because of no fuel). Sequester has reduced fuel stocks to below combat readiness, there is no fuel to power training programs in the states…you have M! tank crews being trained in jeeps because there is no diesel fuel. you have machine gunners being trained with (are you ready for this)….22 cal rifles on a machine gun range. You have paratroopers being trained on towers because there is no fuel to fly training missions. You are now qualified on the M16 range with 25 rounds.

    You are a joke.

  20. I am turning 65 in October this year and I am reading all the forms that the government has sent me because I will be 65. First, I am eligible for Medicaid and Medicare and according to the instructions, I must prove residency and have a picture ID. In this packet, I have a form to sign up for an EBT card, if needed, and all I have to do is provide residency and picture ID…. in person. I have the option of having my social security funds direct deposit…all I have to do is provide my account number, social security number, a photocopy of my picture ID, and my birth certificate.

    Now, tell me again, how obtaining a voter ID would be disenfranchising? Please do not try to tell me that the poor would be disenfranchised…because the poor need to provide these same things to be on entitlement programs.

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