Let’s Talk Putin!

The Russian President Vladimir Putin has addressed our nation in a letter, printed in the NY Times.  Most of us have grown up believing the Russians are our enemies, but having read this letter, along with my belief that the Cold War was nothing more than a boogieman scare tactic, maybe a discussion about this can be productive.  So, without delay, here is President Putin’s letter to all of us.

Vladimir Putin
September 12, 2013

MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.
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Image: Wikimedia Commons

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.
The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.
No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.
Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.
From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.
No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”
But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.
We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.
My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.

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Comments

  1. I decided to post this to speed things up. While this is a subject in itself, feel free to bring up anything, as usual. 🙂

    My interpretation of this letter is not negative or positive, but rather unsure of the message being sent. I would love to believe that Putin is simply asking for peaceful solutions concerning Syria. He may also be giving Obama a smackdown, basically saying he is a wimp and should stay away from wars.

    I have said we don’t need involved in Syria, at all, and I stand by that. If Putin can stop this one with diplomacy, bravo for him. As sad at it sounds, I tend towards believing Putin over Obama, Kerry, Pelosi, Boner, and McCain. I have lost all faith in our elected idiots in DC.

    Have a Great Weekend my Friends 🙂

  2. I do not see this as good: http://www.occupycorporatism.com/new-senate-bill-defines-journalist-independent-media-excluded/

    Bloggers could become criminals under this law. Any thoughts?

    • I think the second supervisor/training officer escalated the situation. Seems that four cops could have handled her a whole lot better than they did. And, if I were her husband, I wouldn’t have come either. Let her friend David and his bros deal with her.

    • I get soooooo heated when I see this sort of thing.

      What makes it even worse is that those worthless pieces of shit will probably get a paid vacation, paid for by the tax victims they ‘protect and serve’.

      Those wastes of sperm should be taken out somewhere and beat to a bloody pulp.

    • If she was driving drunk with kids in the car then she certainly needed to be arrested. However, anyone who has spent time in the woods knows you do not come between a sow and her cubs. Once the subject of the kids came up, they should have realized that primal instincts now ruled. Logic, especially with a partially impaired mother, will not work. A little bit of listening and calm assurance were called for. I sure hope the kids did not witness this.

      • I have to agree T-Ray. Driving intoxicated, especially with children in the car, is irresponsible and just plain stupid. If she was intoxicated enough to have an accident, she needed to be stopped for sake of public safety.

        ” Once the subject of the kids came up, they should have realized that primal instincts now ruled. Logic, especially with a partially impaired mother, will not work. A little bit of listening and calm assurance were called for. I sure hope the kids did not witness this.”

        Indeed. This is key.

        If you care to review the video, you can see that, as Charlie mentioned, she was very polite until around the 7:40 – 8:00 mark when things went awry.

        Her responses were all “Okay” and “Yes Sir”. She was demonstrating her willingness and reasonableness in cooperating with the breath test. Her only concern was her children.

        But he was only concerned with exerting control over her. He initially started to be nice about it, but quickly lost patience when he could not answer her questions. It is apparent that he was unwilling to indulge in her valid concerns.

        He shifted focus from addressing her concerns to exerting control. Note how he essentially dismissed her concerns, interrupted her, and only demanded she get out of the car. She continued to express her concerns and simply pleaded with them to listen. She repeatedly pleaded for him to “Please listen!”, while he repeatedly demanded that she “Get out of the car! ”

        At 8:19 he stated ” I don’t care. Get out of the car” This is where he fucked up.

        Translation: ” My authority and this bureaucratic bullshit paperwork takes precedence over any concerns for the welfare of your children.”

        (Wrong answer, dickhead.)

        She was not driving, was in the back of a police car handcuffed and surrounded by two cops, and therefore was in no way a threat to anyone. Thus there was no justification for the use of force.

        It wasn’t about her being a threat, but rather his ego and her obedience. They pulled her out of the car and violated her.

        All of this could have been easily avoided. There was no hurry, no immediate demand for anything in particular regarding their job that would require his impatience.

        All he would have had to do is simply call the female officer over to address aspects of the children while he stepped aside for a few short minutes. (Females generally do not cause the same level of stress in children in such a situation better than a male.)

        A little patience would have made all the difference. His ego was not that important.

    • Looks like redneck cops to me, amici … she was as polite as could be expected until they started abusing her … nothing like a badge, a gun and a few of their best friends to bring out the macho in assholes … as for a police state, you’re kidding, right? That was in a state where stand your ground exists, and if ever there was a reason for someone to stand their ground … 🙂

      • Here is where the fog of war takes over. I watched the whole 14 minutes once . What I got out of the video besides the cops losing it unnecessarily is that:

        1. She ran the car into a house. She actually said “well, no one was home” in answer to the cops comment about what might have happened. .
        2. Her husband was home with the kids.
        3. She had the 2nd carseat in the car with her so she insisted that he couldn’t come get her until he got the 2nd carseat.
        4. She was in the car with a guy named David whom the cops spoke to. Hence her constantly screaming, David, David, David.
        5. David’s cousin/brother/relative was in the car with both of them the cops spoke to him.
        6. The husband wasn’t coming. He has her number.
        7. David and his cousin/brother.relative want out before someone asks for green card. The freebie they expected was not worth it.

        • All of the above may be morally reprehensible, but that doesn’t excuse the tough guys from acting like complete jerkoffs … I’ll bet that cop who brought her down had wood when he did that … I’ll bet he went home and relived that glorious moment a thousand times in his head … what a cop! what a tough guy! Maybe he practices it on his wife … he’s a fucking douchebag, cocksucker, punk, motherfucker … I know, I know … I hold back way too often.

  3. The Russkies are just like us!

    http://listcovery.com/meanwhile-in-russia-photos/

  4. Two Book Reviews … Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner … this week in the NFL … a Time Out for TK …
    http://temporaryknucksline.blogspot.com/2013/09/two-book-reviews-guess-whos-coming-to.html

  5. Well, Mr. Obama, you gave away your position on Syria….no more negotiations now that you have taken the military option from the table. Bully for you. The chem weapons will never be removed, they will never be destroyed, and they will be used again.

    However, there is a bright side……you have taken away your distraction. Now, back to the economy, Obamacare, immigration, and weapons.

    • I’ll bet Obama is not a chess play. You can bet that Putin is. Chess requires a lot of patience and strategic thinking. Obama is too petulant and impatient to play the game well. Hence he can be easily cornered and mated.

      • It has always been handed to him. Never had to work for anything.

        “He coulda been a contender” from “On the Waterfront” is appropriate.

      • Chess? Um, no. Supposedly the patsy plays “Spades” (with his man friend Reggie Love), while others were commanding the OBL raid was taking place.

        I’m surprised it wasn’t Crazy 8’s or Go Fish!

  6. Re: Putin

    I agree with Mr. Putin. His position and points are more than valid. I stand behind him 100%

    We now live in a world that is increasingly interdependent and integrated. Unilateral military action against the best interest and support of the rest of the world and represented people is a thing of the past.

    I would hope that President Obama would put any underlying pressures and/or ulterior motives aside, and instead focus on the right thing to do for everyone. And I would also hope that he would remind anyone contrarily questioning or influencing his decisions, that the majority of American voters chose him as their legitimate leader.

    In other words, Obama is in charge because the American people put him there. He has an obligation of representing the people’s interest in global affairs, and not special interests or the interests of other nations which are in conflict with the global community.

    The nation of Israel is more than in a position to handle their own defense and conflicts with neighboring nations. If Israel is righteous in their actions and position with regard to Syria, the world will support them as they apparently are. The way to garner support from the world is to act righteously and not play covert bullshit political games while pretending to be the victim.

    Radical Islam victimizing others in the name of Allah will only serve to render itself intolerable to the global community. They need to chill before they secure their demise.

    • Well said!

      • Thanks SK,

        From where I sit, it looks as if Putin just bailed Obama from a rock and a hard place by stepping in with the might of Russia to add a little balance to the situation.

        Obama has powerful conflicting pressure coming in from all sides.

        Israel seems to be playing the same game they always do ..which is ‘apply pressure in private/play victim in public, avoid direct war and save face too’.

        The Muslim world is having cultural issues that keep spilling over onto others, and are only testing everyone else’s patience.

        The general population of the world sees it as the “same ol’ same ol’ “, and we’re tired of the bullshit.

        The answer: What Putin said (…which is no surprise, as he is an INTJ and is naturally inclined to find the win/win)

        Additionally, I think that if the world took a more helpful and less aggressive approach to the Muslim world, these kind of issues would be fewer and further between. Eventually they may get it together and join the industrialized world.

        Just sayin’

      • Hear, hear! BL nailed it!

        “I agree with Mr. Putin. His position and points are more than valid. I stand behind him 100%”

        Would like to add, this does not make Putin a “friend” of the US or Syria. He has his own agenda & using the UN & our own own laws against us should be expected. I agree with him also, but am looking for the knife I know he’s holding….

    • If Israel is righteous in their actions and position with regard to Syria, the world will support them as they apparently are.

      That’s taking reality and stretching it to blind faith. There’s NO WAY “the world” (i.e., all nations) will support them. There will always been self-interest at the heart of the matter. Assuming we know what is “righteous” for other nations is the arrogance that gets us into this shit over and over. We’re not that smart, righteous or anything other than seeking our own self-interest first. Bad assumption … real bad assumption.

      Radical Islam victimizing others in the name of Allah will only serve to render itself intolerable to the global community. They need to chill before they secure their demise.

      The contrary, of course, is that American arrogance victimizing others in the name of morality/righteousness, et al, is what unifies and thus facilitates radical Islam. We’re the ones who stuck our noses into the fray more than a dozen years ago, are still there, and gaining new enemies every day. Radical Islam would have a much tougher time gaining strength in numbers if we minded our own business.

      Go Bills!

      • Every time an Israeli coffee shop gets bombed, or a Christian village is attacked in the name of Islam, the world sees it, and most people think something along the lines of “The radical assholes are at it again.”

        (And don’t think there aren’t a lot of Muslims out there thinking the same thing. They see it too, …only they have the added worry of the US and European propaganda machine, along with those who tend to lump all Muslims together.)

        And how many times have you seen things heat up between Israel and the Muslim world, only to be diffused by the US or UN stepping in to protect little brother Israel?

        My point is that people of the world are well aware. So when/if the day comes where Israel fights their own fight and starts unleashing hell upon their adversaries, no one is going to blame them…except radical Muslims and antisemites, of course. All Israel has to do is maintain the position of defender and not initiator/aggressor.

        The current deal with Syria is no different. Who would blame Israel for wiping them out? How would other Muslim nations respond? Would it start WW3? …maybe. …which is a big part of the motivation for larger nations stepping in to suport Israel, to act as a deterrent.

        Israel plays on this, …and I can’t say I blame them. When things get heated, they position themselves for engagement and essentially put the industrialized nations in the position of stepping in or allowing WW3 to commence.

        How long before the world gets sick of it and decides to pounce on the Muslim world, or to allow Israel to open a can of whoopass?

        And, yes, the people of the world are just as fed up with western imperialism as they are radical Islam. The world is changing. People are starting to tire of the BS.

        Humanity is outgrowing it’s britches and needs a new pair. What’s holding us back are radicals and those who won’t let go, those who are afraid of change, or who benefit from war and big violent oppressive governments, etc, etc, etc.

        How long before we decide to no longer tolerate it? Will we destroy ourselves first, or will we enslave ourselves?

        (I’m starting to digress and ramble)

        The world is constipated and needs a laxative.

        • Seems to me that it’s a very few people who have the power to decide what the “world” is going to do. And a whole lot of those people have decided that they are just tired of the problems in the Middle East and would just rather sacrifice Israel-so they don’t have to deal with the problems anymore.

          • My problem is despite the fact that I hear “Israel wants” regarding Syria from the friends of the administration, I hear nothing out of Israel itself. Netanyahu (sp.) is not known for his quiet demeanor. If I were an Israeli, I would wonder just how much I would like to exchange the secular dictator for the rabid fanatic. If push comes to shove on Israel, they have their own mutually assured destruction (MAD) program. I am not terribly sure that our leader would come to Israel’s rescue but his successor would. So, they just have to hold out longer. Their technical prowess developing things like “Iron Dome” demonstrates yet again the old adage that necessity is the mother of invention. I know that program is something we were working on twenty plus years ago and never got right. I think that you can take heart. I am “tired” of the problems of mid-east but would never sacrifice Israel. Their destruction, I think, would merely encourage those who want a new caliphate.

          • ” Seems to me that it’s a very few people who have the power to decide what the “world” is going to do. ”

            If you were one of them, what would you do to make the world a better place?

            • You certainly don’t ask easy questions do you. Let’s just start with the thought process of maybe it really isn’t possible to make the “world” a better place. Maybe it’s impossible to get a consensus of what better even means, when one is talking about the whole world.

              • Oh c’mon, V. …way to dodge a question.

                I will try again to perhaps persuade you.

                Let’s say you found a bazillion dollars worth of jewels or something, and now you are able to buy everything…like your own continent or a president ..or whatever. What would you do with it?

                Wouldn’t you be tempted to do things like buy houses and life time food supplies and medical care for all the unwed pregnant women thinking of having an abortion?

                …or what about building a nice church for a small poverty stricken town or village?

                …Free colleges everywhere?

                There must be SOMETHING you would do.

            • The older I get, the more I see the battle between good and evil. I have always been naive and will probably die so but, at the same time I am a realist. To make the world a better place…….follow the Golden rule.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

              The interesting part is that this is not a Christian Rule exclusively. It exists throughout the world’s religions back to an era long before Christ. In that battle between good and evil, the rule has been repeatedly ignored by evil men representing themselves as leaders of the world’s religions.

              Not to get too philosophical,who ever said that evil cannot penetrate into sacred precepts? Of course it can! When it does it undermines the basic goodness of the institution serving the intended purpose of helping to destroy that institution. I have never claimed to be the best Catholic or best Christian in the world. Lord knows (and he does!) I have some serious faults but when the wife and I start discussing our religion and the hard times it has fallen on, I think that both of us, with all our education, degrees and better than average IQ’s can agree on one thing. There is a devil and he is at work and is currently quite successful in his work.

              I hate to get into these kind of discussions but one of the reasons for my faith, such as it is, turns out to be why there is good and why is there evil? I would postulate that mankind, since the beginning of time has asked these questions of himself. I brood over these things quite a bit. Evil really makes no sense. in the long run, it is counterproductive and yet it continues. Why? Perhaps there is no God, no Devil, no heaven, no hell. Why then, do we have this battle, If not for the soul, then for what?

              • Follow up;

                This:

                http://www.staged.com/video?v=NtK

                or this:

                Need I say more, need anyone say more?

              • ” To make the world a better place…….follow the Golden rule. ”

                Good answer!

                You know how I like the Golden Rule, and we all know what a good guideline it is…but that’s not what makes it such a good answer.

                The original intent was to put yourself in the position of of the power elite, to hypothesize about how best to use such worldly influence.

                Your answer demonstrates that we ALL have the power to make the world a better place by simply being considerate and looking out for each other.

                Right on, SK!

                As far as the rest of your post, I will have to chew on it for a while….certainly gives me something to think about.

        • “The world is constipated and needs a laxative.”

          A paraphrase of my favorite Joker quote: “This town needs an enema.” Used it for the epigraph of my 3rd crime novel, Charlie Opera. 🙂

      • Charlie, You have to acknowledge that there is something far beyond the US encouraging what is going on in the Muslim world. Our mistake is allowing ourselves to be cast in the role of villain. We have been doing that since our first involvement in Lebanon in ’59. So, in addition to their mistaken notions about their religion and their destiny we allow them to coalesce around resentment.

        Who says an old dog cannot learn new tricks? Participation here on SUFA has really caused me to question many things that I have not questioned before. Sure it helps that the US elected and then re-elected the dufus of the century. I don’t think five years ago, I would have been as adamantly opposed to US involvement to “make things better” elsewhere. What SUFA has allowed me to do is see the world in the same light that I see my involvement with NYC, ie. you can only help people if they want to be helped.

        It was one thing to oppose the Soviet Union and international communism, a direct threat to our survival (in the short or long term). It is quite another to take on the mantle of policeman of the world. Funny how if you keep an open mind, the longer you live, the more you learn, the more likely it is that you will come back to basics. This week, I intend to search for my copy of , “The Ugly American” by Burdick and Lederer. This was a 1958 attempt by two former State Department guys to lay out what was wrong with US foreign policy on a local level. In many ways it was cautionary tale before Vietnam that was ignored. From what I remember, nothing at foggy bottom seems to have changed, not an iota. There are some interesting new reviews of the book on the internet from people not even born when it was written that seem to think it transcends time.

        COLONEL>>>>> What i just wrote above got me thinking about COIN. I’d love to hear your take on COIN and a critique. I’m a bit biased. I’ve gone through the last fifty years or so thinking that had we continued with counter insurgency in Vietnam instead of moving into “the big war” or if we had somehow blended the two, (“Win and hold”), things might have turned out better. Forget Iraq for a moment because that really was an undecipherable mess but what about Afghanistan? If I made you CEO for the war, how would you have proceeded? .

        • Counterinsurgency is going to be the new norm in the future. That is the most formidable weapon that is available to countries with no military or military that is not capable of sustained operations. Counterinsurgency is a very hard thing to defeat with the type of military that we have. COIN operations by the enemy was very effective in SE Asia. We never lost a major battle yet we never gained the edge over the Viet Cong. After the VC were soundly thrashed in 1968, and were never a fighting force again, they resorted to counterinsurgency and we did not do the same.

          Lebanon is a counter insurgency operation. Iran is very effective utilizing COIN. Everyone is recognizing that it is the most effective weapon in the arsenal. All of the Islamic radicals use it very effectively and they use it on the civilian population and they are ruthless with it. When you combine COIN with guerrilla tactics……..it is formidable.

          • I did not answer your question…..I would use the exact same tactics….exactly the same tactics as my enemy. I would utilize the same ” in the middle of the night ” raids. I would intimidate the families and friends of known insurgents with kidnapping and beheading….utilizing paid assassins. I would go to the very countries that are backing the insurgents and start my intimidation of the middle management utilizing the same tactics.

            There are no rules to follow. That is how I would do it.

            • I was just thinking, I have a rather large US Army handout on “Special Warfare” from the early ’60’s. This was for the general public, is about the size of a large magazine and is done on glossy magazine paper.I probably picked this up in High School. Well over 100 pages, it gives you the history of guerella warfare and tactics and COIN. The photos are really interesting. They are from the Army that had white nametapes. Most of the SF guys in the photos are carrying M-1’s and are apparently into their ’40’s. Nothing less than an E-7. JFK’s order creating SF is the 1st page. If you read it, you pretty much “get it” that the mission was more than hold a pacified villiage. The mission was to go behind enemy lines, and stir up local insurgencies and a shitload of trouble. Sort of like you are advocating.

              Way up above, I asked if you had a take on Smedley Butler? An interesting Marine to say the least.

              • Yes, I had three assignments in Vietnam. I was with an A team for 6 months and then three months with what they called Mike Force ( a mobile reinforcement unit ) and a B team. As the B team, I worked with project Omega out of Ban Me Thout. All of it was dealing with indigenous personnel. That is to say that we organized the local populations of the various villages. I was working with the Montgnards….Rhads.

                COIN is very important.

                If you have those pics….then you also have seen what I called the Castro Fatigue hats…..ugh.They were horrible to wear.

              • I do not have much to say about the General. His comparison of war could be made about almost anything…..but he was an interesting individual.

        • “Sure it helps that the US elected and then re-elected the dufus of the century.”

          Back-to-back doofuses of the century … or are you excusing GWB for Afghanistan and Iraq? We didn’t belong there … at all … dummest fucking move since Vietnam. We learned NOTHING (I’m talking about the people/citizens) … the war profiteers did just fine.

  7. GMan..have you heard from PlainlySpoken? He’s over there in Northern Colorado..hopefully not fighting those floods……….

  8. Older Texans lead state in gun permit applications
    Published September 16, 2013
    Associated Press

    FORT WORTH, Texas – People over the age of 50 are seeking concealed handgun licenses at a rate higher than any other age group in Texas.

    An analysis of state records by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram found that 57-year-olds last year sought the most concealed handgun licenses in Texas. In recent years, Texans aged 63, 52, 61 and 60 have also led the way in gun permits.

    Texas has more than 580,000 concealed-carry permit holders statewide. The Star-Telegram reported Monday that about 26 percent of those were issued last year.

    The oldest Texans are also looking to arm themselves. Texas Department of Public Safety data shows that at least 16 people in their 90s applied for licenses last year.

    Texans must be at least 21 years old to obtain a concealed handgun license.

    *****note….this does not mean gun ownership. Everybody from the age of 3 owns a gun. This is conceal carry only. Wonder what it means……? I know what it means, just wonder if anybody else knows how to read TexasTea Leaves.

  9. US-Russia deal lets Bashar Assad keep biological weapons
    Washington Examiner

    By Joel Gehrke
    Published September 16, 2013

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/16/us-russia-deal-lets-bashar-assad-keep-biological-weapons/#ixzz2f3m0yv00

    *** Of course…would anybody expect less?

  10. Jay Leno: ‘I’m on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch’

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2013/09/14/jay-leno-im-new-obama-diet-every-day-i-let-vladimir-putin-eat-my-lunch#ixzz2f3kaE6So

  11. Armed EPA raid in Alaska sheds light on 70 fed agencies with armed divisions
    Published September 14, 2013
    FoxNews.com

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/14/armed-epa-agents-in-alaska-shed-light-on-70-fed-agencies-with-armed-divisions/?intcmp=obinsite#ixzz2f3nJhJUq

    **** Perhaps Gman was right on this one. Read the article and someone please tell me the reason that the Library of Congress needs armed agents (not security officers). Why would the Bureau of Land management need this and why would the EPA need armed agents to storm a business “looking for violations”….not on a violation.

    But, perhaps, this is the progressive way. An armed police state. By the way, please do not blame this on the Bush Administration and the Patriot act. Look at the executive orders that put all of these agencies under the Homeland Security department and the authorizations fro creating the policing actions within these organizations. You might be surprised at the dates of creation….but you progressives might not be surprised.

    • I can see some reasons Library of Congress would have armed agents. They protect & sometimes transport valuable historic documents. It should be a small, specialized force. It also could be done by other agencies such as Secret Service of US Marshall’s…

      To me the story is not how many armed agencies there are but the increase in SWAT style raids for what should be non-violent investigations. Laws were passed allowing police to use excessive force in certain situations. I think they were required to get a warrant from a judge, usually drug raids where a criminal with a violent past was being sought. Now you see them serving any & all warrants in this manner. The laws were passed for “officer safety”, where there was a high expectation of armed resistance.

      They have perverted the intent of these laws & should be charged for violating the Constitutional rights of every person they attacked in this manner. Unreasonable search and seizure is illegal. What is “reasonable” about having 10 or more armed officers invade your property for a minor offense? The “principal” that we are innocent until proven guilty should mean we can expect to be presented a warrant and called to appear, not invaded by a small army, threatened & intimidated.

    • I highly doubt the DHS bought all those hollow point bullets for target practice. However, if things get so bad that the Fed employees families are in danger, the bullets may not have many people to shoot them. Prior to that happening, things may be real interesting. Remember, Obama wanted his own security force, the reasons why are not yet known.

  12. Well, well…..announced this morning. Aetna is the latest insurance company to pull out of Obamacare and refusing to participate in t he exchanges. Cigna, United Health, Assurant, Coventry Health……….have also all pulled out and refusing to join the exchanges. All have said that with all of the “special exemptions” (Federal Employees Union, All federal employees except the military, labor unions, etc) and with the delaying of the employer mandates and the exemptions forthcoming of the largest employers, there is no reason to continue. The premiums that were supposed to be cheaper and the promise that people could keep their doctors is a lie. Premiums are expected to double and triple even IF these insurance companies stayed in….they are not. So, the government run exchanges, not having the competition, will be charging premiums that are estimated to be 10 times the cost of current premiums and to exacerbate the problem…..private physicians are dropping out refusing to take medicaid and medicare…and private hospital consortiums are springing up all over.

    New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, Ohio, and Georgia are the latest that are pulling out of Obamacare, to join 28 other states that are not taking it.

  13. Colorado voters last Tuesday removed two Democratic state lawmakers from office — Senate President John Morse and Sen. Angela Giron — and replaced them with Republicans who are gun-rights supporters.The recall drew national attention and became a proxy fight between gun control and gun rights forces. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an advocate for stricter gun laws with his group Mayor’s Against Illegal Guns, contributed around $350,000 to the two Democrats. The NRA spent roughly the same amount opposing them.Overall, reported contributions to Morse and Giron totaled around $3 million, giving them a 5-1 advantage over recall supporters. Yet foes of the two state senators found enough angry voters to prevail.Former Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter, a Democrat, said his state’s recall votes meant little for U.S. senators pondering their stance on guns. He said the recall movement tapped into public unease with a broad Democratic agenda “that may have drifted too far to the left,” including enactment of civil unions for gay and lesbian couples and in-state tuition for college students in the U.S. illegally.

    ******* Cherry picking vulnerable areas is called..”grass roots”. This is what you get for passing laws without the public voting on them. NO more midnight skulkers in Colorado for the time being. WAY TO GO COLORADO!!!

  14. I have never watched Jay Leno before but I understand these clips came from him:

    ” I am on the new Obama diet. I let Vladamir Putin eat my lunch every day”
    ” The California Assembly voted to let illegal immigrants have driver’s licenses and along with that phony insurance cards”..
    “and Obamacare may have gone too far in covering surgical strikes in Syria under his program”

    Well…..LOL.

  15. Interesting bedfellows: California legislature decides to raise the minimum wage to $10 per hour. Of course, many business’ are going to go to part time workers or move to Senator Harry Reid’s state of Nevada….where he says there is no need to raise the minimum wage and that California business is welcome in Nevada….

    this is the same HArry Reid that is the Democratic Senate majority leader…….wonder of Boxer and Pelosi are invited to dinner?

  16. Putin/Obama picture and cartoon contest! Submit the best you’ve seen so far!

  17. Just A Citizen says:

    d13thecolonel

    Good morning Sir. Hope you had a great weekend. Spent a couple of days on the coast here, with Spousal Unit Leader, daughter and youngest son. Great weather….cool and calm.

    Now for your post regarding the “militarization” of our various federal agencies, including EPA, ala.; the Alaska Raid.

    The problem with respect to the “land management” agencies, such as BLM, began under CLINTON.

    We have the environmentalist Lobby and the Algorians to thank for it.

    Here is how I suspect the Alaska situation came down. Some jacksnipe of an EPA employee who has pissed off the locals before decides to “inspect” the mining operation. Due to prior tensions they decide it is probably “not safe” to do the inspections.

    So they put out a call for “law enforcement assistance”. Their agency people then call in all the other Agency LE personnel to assist. All of which is designed to further intimidate the “permittee” (mine operator) and of course has the affect of further pissing off the locals.

    Making each subsequent inspection equally or more contentious.

    As I said here at SUFA a couple years ago. The EPA needs to be disbanded and reformed with NEW EMPLOYEES under its original mission of providing inspection of OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES.

    Now for one of those ALERTS to FUTURE actions provided for the SUFA audience.

    There is an effort ongoing to have the Wildland Fire Fighting authorities and organizations CENTRALIZED under ………………… Dept of Homeland Security and FEMA. This means they would be permanently assigned and not just managed or incorporated under Disaster Management on an event by event basis.

    There have been for decades an effort to consolidate ALL Land Mgt Agencies under one SUPER Dept of Natural Resources. Just for those who care about such things. By the way, this is partly what spawned the “Sagebrush Rebellion”, for those who have forgotten that little historical event.

  18. Just A Citizen says:

    More education on what is going on in the depths of our Govt today. Remember my prior warnings about the Fascist Progressive agenda and how that manifests itself in Public/Private partnerships. Well here is one for you to think about.

    See if you can think of why this is so concerning. Think of how it is wrapped up in the flag to make it seem like a good idea. Then ask yourself …………. WHY would they do this.

    Release Date: 07/30/13

    Contacts: Courtney Whiteman (BLM), (202-912-7406)
    Rebecca Silver (Sierra Club), (201-981-1221)

    BLM Enters into Agreement with Sierra Club to Advance Opportunities for Veterans and Military Families on Public Lands

    Recognizing the enormous value in partnerships that encourage veterans and military families to enjoy public lands, the Bureau of Land Management and the Sierra Club today signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) that will enable both organizations to work more effectively together on programs, training, and recreational activities for veterans and military families.

    “For those brave men and women returning from military service to our country, BLM-managed public lands provide not only opportunities for recreating in the great outdoors , but also venues for enhancing personal well-being while connecting more closely with some of the land they fought to protect,” said BLM Acting Deputy Director Steve Ellis.

    “The BLM is committed to helping those who have served in the Armed Forces enjoy the healing nature of their public lands,” said Carl Rountree, BLM Assistant Director for National Landscape Conservation System. “This MOU reflects that commitment.”

    “The Sierra Club has a rich history protecting our country’s wild places and the recreational opportunities they provide,” said Dan Chu, Senior Campaign Director, Our Wild America. “Partnering with the Bureau of Land Management continues the tradition of connecting people with the outdoors by creating new opportunities for veterans to spend time in our country’s public lands.”

    “It’s essential that we give back to our nation’s heroes who protected our country in uniform,” said Joshua Brandon, Sierra Club Military and Community Outdoor Recreation Organizer. “The Sierra Club is well versed in the healing powers of time spent in the outdoors, and our growing partnership with the Bureau of Land Management ensures greater access for veterans and their families to explore and enjoy the public lands they risked their lives protecting.”

    Under the MOU, the BLM and the Sierra Club Mission Outdoors program will work together to provide veterans, active-duty military, and their families with opportunities to learn about and participate in conservation and recreation activities on public lands. The BLM and Sierra Club will identify partnership opportunities and jointly pursue projects that will enhance their their ability to provide service members and their families with information about and programs on BLM land, as well as improve communication and understanding between the military community and public agencies.

    The MOU builds on a several successful partnership programs between the BLM and Sierra Club Mission Outdoors program. In October 2012, the Sierra Club hosted a military family outing at the Organ Mountains on BLM-managed land in New Mexico, during which service members and their families engaged in hikes, children’s events, and educational workshops. In November 2012, the BLM and Sierra Club launched the first annual Veterans Day Essay and Photo Contest. This contest, centered on the theme “What My Public Lands Mean to Me,” encouraged veterans, active-duty military, and their families to submit photos, essays and video about their experiences and memories of time spent outside on America’s public lands.

    Through direct programming, public education and advocacy, Sierra Club’s Mission Outdoors program combats the growing divide between America and the outdoors by increasing opportunities for all to improve their overall well-being by exploring and enjoying the natural world. Over the last few years the Sierra Club has worked with over 50,000 service members, veterans, and family members from all over the country to help ease the stresses of service and coming home by helping them get outside.

  19. You know…A shooter is one thing..but a shooter in a government bldg? Who is sleeping on the job? Hits close to home again as my sister works in that building. She has checked in safe but come on! So lets see..after 9/11/01 they pulled 6 guys, a sleeper cell, outta the building that I personally picked stuff up from daily…then the Christmas bomber decided to act up right over my house..now this shooter…LEAVE ME AND MY FAMILY ALONE! 👿

  20. Forget Ocare and death panels, now it’s Ocare and your sex life! Check out some of these great responses:

    http://twitchy.com/2013/09/16/if-you-like-your-sex-life-you-can-keep-it-obamacare-to-question-sex-life-how-should-you-respond/

    • This could be fun, with alittle imagination. Everyone should say they have had sex over 10K times, engaged in orgies, was bisexual, and used sex toys on a daily basis. If enough people do this, it will be gone rather quickly 🙂 Besides, the look on the doctors face would be priceless 🙂

  21. September 16, 2013 4:00 AM
    California Protects Pedophile Teachers
    Schools can’t be sued for teachers’ long-ago sexual misconduct.
    By Kevin D. Williamson

    Kevin D. Williamson

    If you want to molest children in California, a word of advice: Make sure you have a good union.

    California has enacted a number of changes — one cannot call them “reforms” with a straight face — to its electoral system of late, notable among them the creation of an “independent commission” to draw up electoral districts and the institution of a top-two primary system, in which primary elections are putatively nonpartisan and the top two vote-getters face off in the general election, regardless of party. The outcome, wholly foreseeable, has been to strengthen the position of Democrats as a whole while reducing the power of both the Democratic and Republican parties as institutions. In 29 of the electoral races decided in November 2012, one of the parties was locked out of the general election — and, to nobody’s surprise, it was the Republican party that was locked out in 20 of those 29 races.

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    This arrangement greatly expands the power of the non-party institutional players, most notable among them the public-sector unions, which are in effect California’s third and most powerful political party. They hardly needed to have their political clout enhanced: Over the last 30 years, they have enjoyed a 75 percent kill rate fighting ballot initiatives they opposed. The entrenchment of government-union power has had predictable economic consequences (see “Penniless in Paradise,” National Review, August 2012) but also some strange non-economic effects. The strangest of them may be the state’s decision to exempt government agencies, including public schools, from a new measure intended to enable civil measures against organizations that harbor pedophiles.

    In 2014, California will open a litigation “window” allowing victims of sex abuse to file lawsuits against the employers of those who abused them, on the theory that those employers are in some instances partly culpable for the abuse, which is indeed the case. The “window” is needed because, in many sex-abuse cases, the statute of limitations for civil actions runs out before victims come forward. Perversely, the law exposes only the employers; the abusers themselves remain immune to litigation.

    The crosshairs here are upon the Catholic Church, which paid out some $1.2 billion to more than 1,000 victims of abuse under a similar “window” opened in 2003. A secondary target is the Boy Scouts.

    Even over the many decades that the 2003 window covered — 1950 to 2005 — those 1,000 victims present a shocking number. How much more shocking, then, that in the Los Angeles Unified School District alone some 600 teachers over a four-year period were fired, have resigned, or were facing sanctions because of “inappropriate conduct” relating to students. The lumping of cases together somewhat obscures things: About 60 teachers faced punishment for outright sexual relations with students (or other minors), while others were punished for offenses such as showing pornography to students, forcing students to act out “master and slave” sexual role-play scenarios, taking a student on a field trip to a sex shop, lining girls up in the classroom to judge their relative breast size before having them do jumping jacks, and old-fashioned sexual harassment. Some of these teachers had complaints in their files dating back years that had not been acted upon, while another teacher, in an episode unhappily reminiscent of Catholic priest-shuffling practices, had been in hot water at six different schools for sexual misconduct. If we limit ourselves to those cases of actual sexual relations, then a little crude extrapolation from Los Angeles’s 662,140 students to California’s 6.2 million total public-school students suggests that, in California each year, seven to eight times as much sexual misconduct takes place in public schools as in the Catholic Church.

    So why have the California government schools — to say nothing of other state agencies — been exempted from the promise of richly deserved punitive litigation?

    And it does not stop with litigation windows. In 2012, the Assembly considered a bill making it easier to fire teachers who sexually abuse students. Consider for a second that word “easier” — should anything be easier than simply firing somebody who molests children? The bill was written in response to the case of a Los Angeles elementary-school teacher who was fired after being accused of sexually abusing his students, and who challenged his firing. Rather than act in accord with the horrifying details of the case, the school district paid the teacher $40,000 to drop his appeal. That’s small change compared with the $30 million settlement the district is paying to the teacher’s alleged victims as a result of the case, or, for that matter, compared with the $23 million bail requirement that is keeping teacher Mark Berndt behind bars as he awaits trial on 23 felony counts of gruesome sexual abuse.

    Against that background, making it easier to fire teachers facing credible accusations of sexual abuse seems like a pretty straightforward proposition. But the California Teachers Association and other unions presented a united front against a bill passed by the state senate, and it died in the Assembly.

    The scandal bar — the collection of lawyers that exists to file wildly profitable lawsuits against the Catholic Church — contains some members that are unsavory to say the least, and, as with any similar case in which emotions run high and great sums of money are at stake, there has been no shortage of exaggeration and profiteering related to the scandal and its litigation. But as distasteful as those bottom-feeding lawyers may be, they are, whether they intend to or not, helping to serve the larger cause of justice, and such evils as they may perpetrate are, painful as it is to write, minor compared to the evil that was harbored and in too many cases enabled by the Catholic Church. And that evil, unspeakable as it is, is in all likelihood overshadowed by what is taking place in public schools in California and elsewhere. But if it comes down to the interests of a unionized government employee vs. those of a nonunionized sex-crime victim, look for the union label.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358552/california-protects-pedophile-teachers-kevin-d-williamson

  22. This DC thing is going to be interesting. The guy seems to have a checkered past.I am actually hoping that it is not some guy with some grievance based on race. Just nuts would be good enough.

  23. 10 Days early but I just found this. Happy 115th Birthday George!

  24. S. FL Doctor Uses New Technology To “Re-Grow” Man’s Finger
    September 16, 2013 6:21 PM

    A doctor used cutting edge technology to re-grow a man’s finger. (Source: Dr. Eugenio

    Healthwatch On CBSMiami

    DELRAY BEACH (CBSMiami) — It’s being called a medical marvel. A south Florida doctor used a unique procedure to actually grow back a man’s finger that a horse bit off.

    According to Dr. Eugenio Rodriguez, Paul Halpern, 33, arrived in Delray Beach with his finger in a zip lock bag. The insurance company wanted the rest of the finger amputated. However, a doctor wanted to try a unique procedure.

    “This one right here, my index finger,” said Halpern.

    Halpern was feeding his prized, hungry horse when it confused it for a cookie.

    “After the treat it made a mistake. It’s a difficult horse and is had history using our training methods,” Halpern recalled.

    The mistake cost him a third of his index finger. “One of the guys that worked with me reached his hand in the horse’s mouth, took the fingertip out, and I jumped in the car, grabbed the rest of my finger wondering what we should do,” said Halpern.

    On the way to the hospital, Paul put his fingertip on a popsicle, but it wasn’t enough to save the extremity.

    Then, he heard about a Deerfield Beach doctor that might have a way to fix the finger.

    “He really wanted to have his finger healed, and fast,” said Dr. Eugenio Rodriguez.

    Advanced, cutting edge, and without any surgery or amputation, general surgeon Eugenio Rodriguez said he could make the finger grow back.

    “This is something, that there actually is no experience into this,” said Dr. Rodriguez.

    Using the bladder tissue of a pig, Dr. Rodriguez made a template of Halpern’s finger and attached it to what was left.

    The result was astounding.

    The finger’s cells, bone, soft tissue, even nail grew into the mold. “It’s very interesting to see a patient heal. That’s my passion, wound healing. It is fascinating to have the new results,” said Dr. Rodriguez.

    It’s a procedure both Dr. Rodriguez and Halpern agree could pave the road for other more complex injuries.

    “I’m really grateful. I think it’s fantastic I think in the future there’s going to be other uses for it but it wasn’t a life threatening injury to me it was something that was an accident,” Halpern added.

    The doctor says it will be nine to twelve weeks for a full recovery.

    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/09/16/s-fl-doctor-uses-new-technology-to-re-grow-mans-finger/

    Well dang-look at that, Matt -you may be able to grow back digits after all-much rather not cut one off though.-Seriously this is so cool!!

  25. A couple of good videos on education


  26. ” Manipulate ”

    *sigh*

  27. Interesting….since the shooter at the Navy Yard is apparently from Fort Worth, I have been paying more attention. So far, it seems, that this lad was kicked out of the Navy for family violence with a less than honorable discharge. He has been arrested twice for the improper use of firearms. Once, when he got pissed off and shot the neighbor’s tires out and again when hE fired through the roof of his apartment because they were being loud.above. It seems that this lad was undergoing treatment for mental illness…so what happens?

    HE APPLIES FOR AND RECEIVES A SECRET SECURITY CLEARANCE AND A CONTRACTORS LICENSE ISSUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE TO WORK AS A CONTRACTOR ON MILITARY BASES.

    And the only thing Diane Feinstein can say…..see, I told you so. Its those guns. According to the report, the Fort Worth police confiscated all the weapons they could find and he manages to get an AR 15 from………get ready for this…..Washington DC which has one of the strictest controls in the friggin world. He gets a weapon with a known mental illness in his back ground check and then gets hired by the Department of Defense……damn.

    • […] he manages to get an AR 15 from………get ready for this…..Washington DC which has one of the strictest controls in the friggin world. He gets a weapon with a known mental illness in his back ground check […]

      Forgive me, Colonel, I’m not not a big gun person and have never applied for a license or tried to purchase a firearm before. Additionally, I haven’t been following along too carefully the ins-and-outs of the regulations as I’m sure you have.

      Didn’t the NRA work quite hard (and succeed) after the Tuscon shooting of Gabby Giffords to block attempts to include mental illness histories in background checks? I seem to recall (but who knows how wrong I am?) that there was a push to get this information into the background check system the FBI uses and that the NRA defeated this.

      Or am I just hallucinating? I knew those mushrooms in my omelet tasted funny.. O_o

      • Actually, you are right and wrong…if you are referring ONLY to the weapon buying, the NRA is totally behind mental illness as a record check but since it was tied to various other issues that the NRA was against,….yes it got defeated. The NRA routinely sends out messages and emails to its members about the responsibility of not selling weapons to unqualified persons. The NRA has also successfully, and rightly so, aided in shutting down unscrupulous gun dealers and promoters. Funny how this does not get reported. NRA members, including myself, always report to the NRA any “funny” stuff that we see at gun shows. Fort Worth has quite a gun show every two months and I see the NRA officials constantly walking the aisles. Now, I cannot say what happens in other gun shows but I can say that Houston, Fort Worth, and Dallas are routinely patrolled by NRA officials. I do not know about other states but we do report. And, I also know for a fact, that the reports, once verified, are turned over to Federal officials. Myself and one other person reported a sell to an obviously underage person on a silencer (silencers are legal here) and that booth was immediately shut down, guns and attachments confiscated,and the Feds were notified. Also, as a matter of record, the NRA is also behind checks for internet sales.Funny how that does not get reported.

        As far as the security checks with the FBI and the Department of Defense, mental illness is a required check. I, personally, have been through this, obviously. What I am surprised at..and greatly surprised….is that they hired a man that has a general discharge for violence and an arrest record for the same. Don’t blame the guns, blame the system.

  28. A quote from Mr. Obama: ” “So let’s put this in perspective. The Affordable Care Act has been the law for three-and-a-half years now. It passed both houses of Congress. The Supreme Court ruled it constitutional. It was an issue in last year’s election, and the candidate who called for repeal lost,” he said.

    D13 asserts, yes, Mr. Obama….all you said is true…..Don’t you find it hypocritical that you want it accepted as law…yet…you defy that same law by selectively not implementing what is law? It passed the Congress, approved by SCOTUS…..but you decided when to implement it. Interesting.

    • Huh? My understanding was that the ACA laid out a pretty extensive timeline of implementation dates for various parts and gave the President authority to alter / delay certain aspects as necessary. Would you care to clarify your assertion?

      • I have read the ACA twice….in depth. (And believe me that took some time and effort )..there are timelines of implementation but there are no provisions that allow delays or presidential exception…none that I have found.

  29. I have a question for those of you who do not like the death penalty.

    What is the difference in sentencing someone to die by lethal injection and sentencing someone to die as life in prison without parole? Both are death sentences and both fit the category of playing god, so to speak. One just takes longer and is arguably more inhumane ( the life sentence in prison ).

    • 1. Death penalty is a non-reversible error. That is, if you find out you’re wrong, you can’t let the guy go because he’s dead. If you give him life, yes he loses years of his life but he can still walk away and live the rest of his life. Related.

      2. Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the lord. Death penalty is vengeance. Life in prison removes you from society so that you cannot hurt anyone else. Death is “unnecessary” insofar as it serves no purpose other than to add harm to the criminal. (and no, making the family of the victim feel better does not count as a good enough reason to end someone’s life).

      Think of it like this. You are attacked by a criminal who tries to kill you. You beat him up and tie him to a chair so that he’s no longer a threat to you – do you then have the right to put a bullet between his eyes? Of course not. You are allowed in the rules of a civilized society to exercise the amount of force required to keep yourself safe, but no more. If the man is no longer a threat to society (that is, he’s in prison), how can society have a right to do further harm?

      3. Death penalty has not been shown to be a deterrent above-and-beyond life in prison. In fact, the murder rate in death penalty states is consistently higher than in non-death penalty states. Now, I can’t use this fact to prove causality (or a lack thereof) – science doesn’t work that way, but I certainly find that fact interesting, don’t you? Source.

      4. Minorities and the mentally disabled / impaired are disproportionately executed (*cough* Texas *cough*). Take that for what you will.

      5. The 8th Amendment prohibits the use of Cruel and Unusual punishment. I might suggest that a literal reading of the word “and” means you can be cruel as long as you do it frequently enough as to be usual or that, conversely, you can be unusual as you want as long as it’s not also cruel. But that’s not how the Courts have interpreted it. They read it as, generally, you cannot be excessively cruel in punishments. To that end, executing someone is pretty cruel in my view.

      • If I remember correctly, look up Jack Henry Abbott who wrote “In the Belly of the Beast” and Edgar Smith who wrote “Brief against Death”. These two books and the history of their authors finally, after years of deliberation, brought me down on the side of the death penalty.

        • I forgot. Even more interesting was that they both had “champions”. Norman Mailer for Abbott and Wm. F. Buckley Jr. for Smith.

          • I tend to like Willam F. Buckley.. shame there aren’t more people like him in the modern conservative movement..

            • Buckley was a good egg who was often very wrong … but he was also a decent man. I wrote his estate after reading one of his novels and liking it; his sister wrote me back (handwritten note) … very decent of her.

              • It’s funny how badly the modern Republican party would reject him if he were alive today. Could you imagine what the Tea Party sites would have to say? They’d be calling him an O-Bot!

              • They were a fascinating family. Bill spoke Spanish before he learned English. W.F. Sr. was a larger than life character. He was a hugely successful wildcatter down in Mexico who had everything confiscated by the Mexican Government’s oil Company when he would not play ball. He came home and made another fortune here and I think in Venezuela. It is interesting to compare them to the Kennedy’s. A fiercely religious family who spent their lives creating jobs. Bill’s grandfather was a Texas marshal, something out of Wyatt Earp.

        • Care to offer a synopsis?

          Oh, and also forgot to mention:
          6. Death Penalty routinely costs taxpayers more money that life imprisonment. Support.

          • Both were convicted of murder. Both evaded the death penalty. Both were “rehabilitated” and wrote best sellers. Both had prominent champions who stood up for them and got them paroled. Abbott murdered a waiter who supposedly bumped him down in the Villiage. Edgar Smith kidnapped and then tried to rape and murder a woman (she got away).

            I don’t remember Mailer’s position afterward but I do remember Buckley’s. It is well worth reading.

  30. I’m off to the land of lakes on business. Will be back on Thursday. Have fun.

  31. Just A Citizen says:

    The Supreme Court DID NOT rule that Obamacare was Constitutional.

    To claim that it did is a LIE.

  32. I just posted something on Facebook and suggest, just for the fun of it, you all do likewise anywhere you can. Maybe we can get some traction. .

    Colorado floods, hundreds missing! Billions of dollars in damage! entire towns wiped off the map! Where is Barack Obama? One is almost tempted to think that George Bush was still president.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/09/15/boulder-colorado-floods-larimer/2815667/

    • Ha! It’s interesting you commented on this. Said the same thing to my husband this morning when watching updates on Fox – where is our President on the Colorado situation?

    • I’ll say the same thing I said during Katrina: What do you expect the President to do? Wave his magic wand and make the waters recede?

      Let’s see how Obama handles the aftermath. Then we can decide if he’s channeling Bush or not.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        I expect them to grandstand for brownie points. Oh did I just say that? lol.

        What I want is for them to stay the hell out of the way and leave the operations to people who know something about it.

        That goes for meddling Congress critters as well. Congress Dems did as much damage in Katrina as ineptitude in the Administration. Maybe even more because they caused agency people to divert attention from meaningful help.

      • But where is the media criticism for not showing up, for not flying over, for not getting his feet wet? By the way, where the hell is FEMA? Whenever you think things are covered “fairly” by the news, think back to this very egregious example.

  33. La-de-dah – another day, another crony green bankruptcy filing.

    http://freebeacon.com/ecotality-files-for-bankruptcy/

  34. Just A Citizen says:

    “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

  35. A challenge for SUFA: right now, no peaking, list the ten Amendments in the Bill o’ Rights. You don’t have to be verbatim, but you have to hit the high points (ie, 2: “guns” would be sufficient, but 1: “speech” is not enough since it misses Press, etc.). And go..

    • Just A Citizen says:

      3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12.

      Is that a brief enough summary?

      • Huh?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mathius

          As someone who reads them frequently I cannot give you a summary of each with the appropriate number. I can give many if not all of the concepts but not the specific amendment.

          I gave you the original Amendment numbers for the Bill of Rights. Thought you would find it interesting.

    • The right to free healthcare
      the right to free college
      the right to free housing
      the right to free food
      the right to marry anybody or anything
      the right to smoke dope and get stoned
      the right to free pornography
      the right to kill babies
      the right be free of religion
      the right to a free phone.

      There, did I miss anything?

      • Bills tickets. 🙂

      • The right to free healthcare if you cannot afford healthcare.

        The right to free cheap/subsidized college because having a more education populace is a benefit to all of society.

        The right to free housing because in a civilized society, no one should have to live on the streets.

        The right to free food because in a civilized society, no one should have to starve (especially children).

        The right to marry anybody or anything because it’s none of your business what I do with my personal love life.

        The right to smoke dope and get stoned because it’s still none of your business what I do with my personal life.

        The right to free pornography – God Bless America!

        The right to kill babies terminate fetuses because you do not have the right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.

        The right be free of religion HELL YES. But it would be nice if we could actually be free of religion. Soon, I hope. Another 50 years, probably, and we’ll start seeing some real progress in that direction as the older generations die off (no offense, of course).

        The right to a free phone – A program started under Bush provided cheap/subsidized/free(?) phones to the poor. These are basic phones with limited plans which allow them to (A) access emergency services such as 911 and (B) be more accessible to potential employers. The first is a generally good idea – just because you’re poor doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to call the fire department when your house is on fire. The second is a generally good idea because when people get jobs they need less help – and that’s just good pragmatism.

  36. “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

    What this really means is that Caesar should be paid for any and all goods and services Caesar has rendered. Therefore if Caesar provides 0 goods and/or services, render nothing to Caesar.

    The latter means that God gives us natural inalienable rights such as the right to property which we have rightfully earned.

    Your time is your life. And when you exchange your life, by providing a service, for the medium of exchange known as money, it is rightfully yours.

    • What this really means is that Caesar was in charge when the bible was assembled in committee.

    • “The latter means that God gives us natural inalienable rights such as the right to property which we have rightfully earned.”

      Only if you accept running people off their land as something you “earned” … but that kind of makes sense since capitalism permits you to “earn” as an investor, even though you’re sitting on your duff while the actual “work” is being done by others.

      • Seems to me that God is pretty clear about helping out the needy..

        “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very edges of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not strip your vineyard bare, or gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the poor and the alien: I am the LORD your God.” Lev 19:9-10

        “When thou comest into thy neighbour’s vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.” – Deut 23:24

        • “The greater good is what it’s all about.” – Knucks 9:18(13)

          • “And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” – Matthew 19:24

            “F*** the rich! Burn the capitalsit pig! Let it burn, wanna let it burn, wanna let it burn, wanna wanna let it bu-urn!” – Mathius 19:24

            Needless to say, the book of Mathius is somewhat more popular in certain circles.

        • Indeed.

          I would argue Lev 19:9-10 and Deut23:24 is in the interest of the Golden Rule, good will and Charity.

          Grain Products have been a staple of the human diet for many thousands of years.

          In regard to harvesting Grain plants, there are three primary parts.

          There are the grain Kernels that are stored and made into bread or cereal products and consumed.

          The Chaff is the leafy part and protective membrane that surrounds the Kernels, which is usually discarded or composted into the soil.

          The remnant is The Straw. It serves a purpose in producing a variety of useful things such as bedding, hats, baskets, anti- soil erosion, livestock needs, etc.

          They all have their purpose. The Chaff is composted as fertilizer. The Straw goes on to become a variety of products, and the the Wheat is consumed and replanted. But the key to grain harvesting is the separation of the three.

          This requires people. In order to justify the effort put forth, there must be a gain of some sort. Which means that there must be enough of the grain for everyone to benefit from the harvest. People have to eat, as do their livestock. People and their livestock need things, thus there must be a grain profit for barter.

          Equally necessary is the land to grow the grain. Thus, if you own the land, you must allow enough freedom of use for everyone to benefit.

          If you are to subdue, you must replenish. Since you can only reap what you sow, the next harvest is ultimately dependent upon what you replant. Therefore it is imperative that you save some of the grain for germination.

          When any necessary part of the process is hindered, the harvest will suffer. Consequently the land owner, the people providing the labor, the livestock, and the barter system will also suffer.

          If you want to survive, thrive, multiply and prosper, everyone must take responsibility for ensuring a good harvest as well as future harvests.

          Pour l’élite financière de notre belle planète, avec une attention particulière à la famille Rockefeller et la Banque de la Réserve fédérale,

          Mon grand-père a été nommé John Jacob. Il avait les épaules larges et les yeux bleus. Les gens lui “Jack” appelés.

          Par conséquent, je comprends que c’est mon devoir de vous informer que vous êtes entravant la récolte. Je vous soumets qu’il est temps de retourner mon grain au peuple.

          Permettez-leur fête sur le gâteau.

          Genesis 49:20 – Asher’s food shall be rich, and he shall yield royal delicacies.

          Deuteronomy 33:24 – And of Asher he said, “Most blessed of sons be Asher; let him be the favorite of his brothers, and let him dip his foot in oil.

          Jeremiah 29:11 – For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

          1 Corinthians 13: – Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

          2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

          3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

          4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

          5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

          6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

          7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

          8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

          9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

          10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

          11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

          12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

          13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

          Isaiah – index 216 – ELS of 1317

          Joshua – index 2668 – ELS of 666.

          Jeremiah – index 1152 – ELS of 1111.

          Joel – index 2771 – ELS of 318.

          Joel – index 1831 – ELS of 177

      • Charlie,

        What are you talking about?

        How is investing theft? What is wrong with two or more parties agreeing to pay for services rendered?

        As a business owner, you have a greater responsibility. You assume the cost as well as the risk. You have to cover all the basic overhead just to operate… You have to cover labor as well as materials as well as anything miscellaneous and/or regulatory in nature.

        And if something goes wrong, you have to be able to have it covered.

        For example: If that means keeping a million dollars in the bank because your insurance only covers $500K, when you need at least $1M, then you are justified in using company earnings to build up an account. If that means profiting $100/hr from your labor, so be it. If one of your laborers messes up something that costs $600K, it’s covered.

        Investing your time with virtually no liability is a bit different than investing your time plus half your life’s savings plus accepting the responsibility of the actions of others. The responsibility is worth something.

        • why not pay them all minimum wage? Looks like we’re headed in that direction as it is. Then you can assure yourself profit … and when enough investors own enough of the country (Koch brothers?) … we can return to serfdom!

          • You are NOT, repeat NOT allowed to say Koch Brothers unless you also say…..Bloomberg and Soros.

          • Charlie, Paying everyone minimum wage may well work in Jersey, but hear in the real world it will never happen. Even the Koch brothers know that it won’t work. Bloomberg would try it if he could, he thinks he’s God anyway.

            Hope today finds you and yours healthy and happy 🙂 Nice win by the Bill’s BTW!

            • Bills rock (at least for 1 week) … I think it’s Texas (Colonel) where wages gets smaller as more and more people find work (lowest wages in the country if I’m not mistaken) … oy vey … how will they afford cannoli, Colonel?

              • Charlie….we don’t eat that nasty stuff…..not the lowest wages in the country but one of the lowest unemployment rates, a balanced budget, line item veto to curb spending, tort reform that does not reward lawyers, loser pays court system, no lump sum settlements in workers comp cases, the right to keep and bear arms, to include tanks and stinger missiles, since Congress (House and Senate) cannot come up with an immigration bill Texas employers and state lawmakers have found a way to have immigration and control at the same time that is totally and completely revenue neutral….no stand your ground laws that are convoluted…we have the right of self defense at home, at work, and in car plus the right to save a life with deadly force, if necessary anywhere in the state…clean and breathable air (Houston excepted)..the list goes on…………

                We do have a Rangers Baseball team that folds like a cheap tent in the wind, a porous defense on the Texas Longhorns, an Aggie quarterback that refuses to grow up, a Dallas Cowboy team that keeps us in suspense as to which team shows up to play.

                We have oil and natural gas and cattle and seaports that never get cold.

                However, we do seem to be getting a great influx of companies that like our open shop state, low taxes…. we do seem to be getting the New York and New Jersey billionaires because of no state income tax nor inheritance taxes….

                We have our detractors but we seem to be doing ok and it must upset some people because they keep picking on us about this and that….but still…..people are moving here.

  37. Uh oh,,,,an apology is once again necessary……I took something at face value….the Navy shooter did NOT, as I posted, obtain an AR 15 in Washington DC……..there was no such weapon used. It was a shotgun. I am waiting for a description but there would be no magazine involved unless it was a drum 12 gauge, which I highly doubt. That would mean, he was able to empty his shotgun and reload at least 5 times.

  38. Just A Citizen says:

    Suggested reading, given the FED is starting to make rumbling noises.

    http://mises.org/daily/6534/Can-Quantitative-Easing-Lift-Economic-Growth

  39. Might just Fly Delta next time out. They seem to be on my wavelength. Take a look.

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  41. A challenge for Mathius as a new parent: I have been listening to an interesting debate on bullying and what is it and what to do about it. Before I go any further….(and, yes, this is a set up)……..how will you handle the issue of bullying with your child?

    • I will tell you how I handled it……then we can have a conversation.

      I told both my son and daughter that there will be times that you have to stand up for yourself….even if you get knocked down in the process. I taught them that bullying is nothing more than a stronger kid picking on a weaker kid because of some perceived weakness. Reporting someone (tattling) has repercussions and that you may not want to do that and then you live with the reputation of being a “tattle tell” or a “cry baby”. I taught them that respect and integrity comes from facing problems and not running from them.

      I taught them both to never back down if they are in the right. I taught them both how to defend themselves and to fight back.

      I taught them the same way that I was taught…. ” Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words and names will never hurt me”.

      • One must-learn how to pummel at an early age. I wish my father had taught me that. He instructed me in the “manly arts” of fisticuffs which was totally useless. Not that I got into a lot of fights but there were a few and I got creamed. By accident one day, I was confronted by a local tough guy with the classic “little man’s” disease. Thought he was Jimmy Cagney. Being a slow (but bright) overweight kid with glasses and acne, I was an ideal target. So he threw three shots off at me. Now, there is one thing about Trynosky’s, never hit them in the head. That, is totally useless. As Mom would say, we are too thick headed. This kind of came as a shock but, he moved in close in a boxing stance. I grabbed his sweater and hung on. Suddenly he was more interested in trying to pull away than continuing to hit.So, instinctively I held with my left hand and proceeded to pummel the SOB with my right with short jabs to the side of the head. I never let go. Finally got him to trip backwards. Wound up sitting on his chest pummeling him with both fists. That’s when my “friends” pulled me off. Should not have done that. That guy deserved to lose his teeth.

        I later told my old man and described what happened.He in turn described an Army fight he had with a guy five inches taller. Turned out, he did the same thing. In a “fair” fight Dad would have been creamed.Instead he leaped on the guy, knocked him over and pummeled the shit out of him. Probably good they were both NCO’s at the time. So, my advice is, teach your kid to fight dirty from the start. you are going to get hit, you know that but accept it. Then take your revenge. I call this grab, hold and pummel.

        Oh, you will probably get suspended from school. Small price to pay though.

    • I got in a lot of fights as a kid.

      I was a lot smarter than the other kids (early bloomer, I guess) but I wasn’t strong in the social skills department (huge surprise, right?). In fact, I didn’t even realize at the time that there was a huge discrepancy until I ran into an old teacher of mine randomly years later – apparently the gap was pretty substantial and the other kids (whose parents all told them how special they are) didn’t like being made to look stupid. Take away the social skills and awareness to smooth this kind of thing over.. Add to that the fact that I was always in the bottom 10th percentile of weight (I weighed 125 my sophomore year of college) and you’ve got a bad recipe. All I was missing were glasses.

      But.. well, but.. my older brother was a mean SOB. He routinely kicked my ass.. hard. Before I was a teenager, I had had more than a dozen trips to the emergency room for “accidents.”

      When that’s your life, you learn to handle yourself. I was coordinated, I was fast and I was deceptively strong. I managed to get some tae kwon do under my belt and people started leaving me alone.

      But it wasn’t a good way to grow up. I wish someone had given me the tools to handle the situation better – so much of it could have been avoided.

      —–

      Advice to my daughter: try every tool at your disposal first. Everything you can to avoid a fight and diffuse the situation. Failing that, hit first, hit hard, and press your advantage.

  42. Just A Citizen says:

    Federal judge has decided a new trial is needed for the New Orleans cops found guilty of shooting innocent people during Katrina. Following is a revealing excerpt I took from an article on this story.

    I think it sums up so much more than just this one case of abuse.

    “After a jury convicted five other former officers in 2011, their attorneys argued that prosecutors’ online comments and leaks to news organizations were part of a “secret public relations campaign” that deprived their clients of a fair trial.

    Engelhardt granted their request for a new trial, though he called it a “bitter pill to swallow.”

    “The government’s actions, and initial lack of candor and credibility thereafter, is like scar tissue that will long evidence infidelity to the principles of ethics, professionalism, and basic fairness and common sense necessary to every criminal prosecution, wherever it should occur in this country,” he wrote.”

  43. A 3 day National Truckers strike in October! This could be interesting: http://www.prisonplanet.com/convoy-to-d-c-truckers-to-shut-down-america-in-october.html

  44. Just A Citizen says:

    John Adams, in 1787, said:

    Property is surely a right of mankind as really as liberty. … but the time would not be long before courage and enterprise would come, and pretexts be invented by degrees, … in sharing it equally with its present possessors. Debts would be abolished first; taxes laid heavy on the rich, and not at all on the others; and at last a downright equal division of every thing be demanded, and voted. What would be the consequence of this? The idle, the vicious, the intemperate, would … sell and spend all their share, and then demand a new division of those who purchased from them. … anarchy and tyranny commence.

  45. Interesting article going around FB this morning:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wait-but-why/generation-y-unhappy_b_3930620.html

  46. Second Amendment definition in Texas school work book triggers uproar

    By Edmund DeMarche
    Published September 18, 2013
    FoxNews.com

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/18/texas-high-school-work-book-stirs-controversy-over-edited-definition-second/#ixzz2fGpOYoeE

    ***You can probably get away with changing textbooks and definition in California…..but not here.

  47. Congress tepid about revival of gun control bill following Navy Yard shooting
    Washington Examiner

    By Susan Ferrechio
    Published September 18, 2013

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/18/congress-tepid-about-revival-gun-control-bill-following-navy-yard-shooting/#ixzz2fGrFGuvw

    **** Of course, Congress is tepid about it….after they found out it was not an “assault weapon”…..they are probably wondering how so many got hurt with a shotgun that had to be reloaded numerous times and no magazine.

    ” Assault weapon ” = ANY object used to do harm becomes an assault weapon.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Feinstein is in complete bewilderment . She has a plan to take guns from law abiding citizens, still waiting on how to get them from criminals and whack balls .

      • You should have seen her on CNN…..she was astounded how so many could be killed with a shotgun…she asked, ” how could some one reload that many times without being stopped?”

        She forgot that during the Clinton administration, Bill Clinton abolished the carrying of weapons on military bases by anyone except security. When I was in the military on bases, we slept with our weapons and took them everywhere. Fort Hood could have been stopped and so could the Navy yard incident.

        A determined person with a slingshot is going to have multiple kills when there is no deterrent. It is not the size of the weapon or magazine…it is the will. People don’t get it…

  48. Starbucks: Guns unwelcome, but not banned from stores
    Published September 18, 2013
    Associated Press

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/18/starbucks-guns-unwelcome-but-not-banned-from-stores/?intcmp=latestnews#ixzz2fGt5LdjA

    **** Hmmm..Interesting precedent****

    Mathius unwelcome, but not banned.
    Whites unwelcome, but not banned.
    Hispanics unwelcome, but not banned.
    Blacks unwelcome, but not banned.
    Republicans unwelcome !
    Democrats unwelcome!
    Charlie….well…….Charlie is a Canoli freak anyway.

    So, I guess now, you can be unwelcome, but not banned. I wonder how that stacks up to the stores that do not want certain elements in their stores but law prevents discrimination…so…..One eyed one horned flying purple people eaters are UNWELCOME…however, if you come in, you will still be served…..wonder what kind of message that sends……I see no difference.

  49. Col., Col., Col. … captain cannoli is all for guns … how else will take over the government some day? But I can’t move to Texas just yet … not until you fix that heat problem. I like it cold … Montana cold … the wife likes it hot, but insists on an ocean view … I don’t think she’ll buy the Texas coastline because of BP … but she may forget (everyone else seems to have forgotten already) …

    Still, just so you know … I purposely bought my drums from a Texas music store because I don’t like dealing with chains (where they are considerably cheaper) … cymbal fusion in Texas … ask for Erik … nice guy … did a great job in getting me my DW’s …

    Which means when I come down there, Col, you can promote me to whatever captain rank comes before col. (if there is such a thing) and I will serenade you with a jazz drum solo … while eating a cannoli and fighting off raptors with my trustee “in Knucks we trust bucks atomizer gun” …

    And Go Bills!

  50. If you have some time -I found this interesting.

    http://spectator.org/archives/2013/09/18/darwinism-and-materialism-they/

  51. Obama donor gained nearly $1 billion in tax credits in Solyndra bankruptcy
    Washington Examiner

    By Conn Carroll
    Published September 19, 2013

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/19/obama-donor-gained-nearly-1-billion-in-tax-credits-in-solyndra-bankruptcy/?intcmp=latestnews#ixzz2fLD2ll4p

    ****Republican or Democrat…..it never stops.

  52. gmanfortruth says:

    Good news for Veterans. I just recieved a letter from the VA that basically says VA coverage meets the standards under Obamacare! 🙂

  53. gmanfortruth says:
  54. http://news.yahoo.com/mccain-in-pravda–i-am-more-pro-russian-than-putin-133502136.html

    While I can certainly support the ideas presented by Mr Putin with respect to the current situation in the middle east, I must admit that Senator McCain makes some valid points in his criticisms of Russian political issues.

    Something I find interesting is how a few of the things he cited also apply to the US and other nations.

    While the US was founded upon the idea of government protection of rights, it has deviated a bit, especially in recent decades.

    I am not so sure that exceptionalism, in this context, is exclusive to any particular state, but rather a collection of individuals who truly value freedom and inalienable rights.

  55. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought I would share a comment I just left on Huff Po regarding this whole “shutdown” debate over Obama Care and how the Dems are reacting.

    OH, and it provides you with a hint of how it is I think the Republican Leadership “sucks”. There are more creative ways to force your point across. HINT HINT.

    Envision a short time in the future when a Republican Congress and president have managed to pass legislation MANDATING everyone over the age of 18 OWN a rifle greater that .222 caliber along with 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

    The current Dem House passes a spending bill prohibiting expenditure of funds to implement this law. The Republican Senate and the Republican President chastise the Dems for obstructing and trying to shut down the govt. They accuse them of blackmail and extortion.

    They point out that it is the law of the land and that SCOTUS has found it constitutional because the penalty for not owning a gun is not really a penalty but a TAX….Thank You John Roberts.

    Now honestly evaluate how YOU would react to the Dem controlled House’s attempt to prevent implementation of said law.

  56. Bill Donahue, President of the Catholic League, reminds me why I can take the Catholic Church anymore serious than I do a really bad cartoon. What a fucking douchebag this guy is. He’s like the tea party, making sure everyone with half a brain keeps their distance … 🙂

    • What exactly did he do to upset you so much?

      • For one thing, the dickwad claimed that 95% of the priests caught in pedophile cases were not pedophiles but homosexuals … denial ain’t just a river in the Nile.

        • If homosexual acts as a pedophile, is he to be classified as a homosexual or a pedophile? I think it an interesting question that I have not seen asked before. In addition, when the lightening bolt struck me several weeks ago and I decided to go back and look at Freud he,while acknowledging the genetic component also acknowledged that there were people who had an immature or infantile view of sexuality who went the homosexual route. Also, from my own experience , homosexuals are a “youth” cult in many ways. If you focus your desires constantly on young men in the 18 to 25 year old range, what’s to say that a certain portion do not go back further to adolescence or preadolescence.

          What I do is offer a different but I think more traditional view of what is going on. There is no question that any pedophile, homosexual or not, should be drawn and quartered. If Donahue believes what he says, he has to have numbers to back him up. Short of that he is FOS and does great damage to the cause he espouses.

          • He does IMMENSE damage to the cause he espouses … he’s a moron … he’s been one forever … he chases young people away from the Church … if the church had any balls (or sense) it would tell him what many Reps feel about lunatics like Michelle Bachmann .. to wit: Fuck off, you crazy (in her case: biache) … in his case: MF’er . 🙂

            • Not as harsh as you in your condemnation of Donahue but without any proof to spout off the way he did is like lighting match in a room filled with gasoline. Having said that, what about my first paragraph????? If a homosexual acts as a pedophile, is he a homosexual or a pedophile? Note that the one thing missing from all pedophile stories, male on male is the sexuality of the person unless they are married. Even if they are married, it would be interesting purely from a psychological perspective to find out about their “:marriages”.

              John Wayne Gacy, the Chicago clown. Homosexual serial killer or pedophile? .

              • Oh, Stephen, stop it. Listen to your liberal son. You’re reaching. Anyone who is a pedophile, heterosexual or homosexual, is a fucking pedophile.

              • The purpose of studying human behavior is twofold. First it serves as a vehicle to help people overcome obstacles and problems. Second, it is a predictor of behavior. Using the term “social science” is a stretch. Unlike physics or chemistry, there are so many uncontrolled variables as to make accurate predictions impossible to make.

                The people my liberal son listens to have an agenda. I don’t. I just want to know.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                With pedophilia, sexual preference is a non-issue. Let’s see if this question can be answered. Are muslim men who marry child brides and have regular sex with them Pedophiles? How about those that have multiple child brides?

    • Assuming you watched the same thing I did, I reserve my scorn for the “priest” wearing the blue clerical shirt in the middle with the shit eating grin being dismissive of everything said that he disagreed with. His “superior” .attitude which I have seen before on numerous shows makes me want to reach through the screen and grab him by the neck. Somebody, somewhere ought to remind hi that he is a man, entitled to his opinion and that opinion is no better than mine.

  57. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/09/19/spitting-on-their-graves-democrats-leave-benghazi-hearing-before-testimony-from-benghazi-families-n1704732

    To treat the parents of the men who died with such disrespect is just inexcusable. If I wasn’t already a non-democrat-I would be after this-what happened to just being a decent human being.

  58. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/19/the-gop-is-threatening-murder-suicide-with-new-shutdown-warnings.html

    Wow, seems Ms. Kirsten, who I like even if she is a dreaded democrat 🙂 , has gone on a rant. How dare us republicans try to stop the obamacare disaster, how could we possibly expect the President to actually listen to the people and get rid of his “signature achievement” an achievement(trying not to gag) that he achieved with every underhanded, probably illegal method he and his party could come up with. And somehow we are going to destroy America if we defund Obamacare.

    • Oh looky here, this man said it so much better than I did.

      Normally Level-headed Lib Kirsten Powers Goes Berserk at Daily Beast: GOP ‘Threatening Murder-Suicide’

      By Ken Shepherd | September 19, 2013 | 19:15
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      “The Republican Party is destroying America” with a “murder-suicide” pact in the U.S. Congress to “shut down” the government.

      You might expect such over-the-top language from anyone at MSNBC and quite a few at CNN, but, alas, that’s from the pen of one Kirsten Powers, a liberal Fox News contributor who has struck us in the past as a rather rational lefty who doesn’t resort to the same tired talking points. After all, she is a pro-life Christian who was great on the Kermit Gosnell issue. And let’s not forget she’s been good on the Benghazi matter. But today, however, she was railing that Tea Party-friendly congressmen in Washington “seem determined to take us all down with them.”

      At no point in her September 19 piece did it occur to Powers that President Obama is being equally if not more intransigent by issuing inflexible veto threats rather than entertaining some concessions like, I don’t know, a bill to suspend implementation of ObamaCare — including the individual mandate — to AFTER the 2014 midterms, which could then serve as a national referendum on ObamaCare: If you love ObamaCare, vote for Democrats. Hate it and want it scrapped or significantly gutted, vote for the GOP.

      Powers is no stranger to how hardball politics and brinksmanship works. She knows the Republican end-game is not “destroying America” but rather tough medicine in the short term to keep America from swallowing the poison pill that is ObamaCare.

      On most other issues, Powers has been a staunch but intellectually honest liberal pundit. It’s a shame she’s sticking with the liberal media’s herd mentality on this issue.

      Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2013/09/19/supposedly-rational-fox-news-liberal-contributor-powers-goes-berserk-d#ixzz2fREV6wxK

      • Perhaps we should think on the fact that the Obama plan was passed exclusively by democrats when they had control of both houses. It was thought, at least by them, to be a good idea at the time. The House is no longer under democratic control. Now that we have followed Nancy Pelosi’s advice, read the bill after its passage, seen the ensuing chaos, we have republican house rethinking it. Will anyone tell me why this is any different, in any way, that the original effort to pass it from the other side?

  59. “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person.”

    -Pope Francis

    Wow.

    • It’s the exact same thing as “Love the person, hate the sin” he just explained it’s meaning for you!

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Actually he AVOIDED answering the question. Which was his view of “homosexuality” not whether he approved of homosexuals, the people.

      • What sin? Oy vey …. You HAVE to be kidding!

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Charlie

          The SIN of having sex with someone of the same sex, of course.

          Apparently you don’t realize that YOU DO NOT get to decide what is a SIN and what is not a SIN.

          • I am no expert here, but there seems to be a fundamental lesson in the message in that sin cultivates an environment that is adverse to righteousness and often results in some form of evil. It is of the [D]evil.

            Righteousness is rooted in things like love, respect, reason, patience, etc, thus cultivates an environment which is good and of divine justice. It helps you closer to what is G[o]od.

            It is in the interest of individual righteousness as well as how to get along and function as a species?

            Is there another message? What was the over all point? Do the right thing and let god handle it?

            • A man once did something horrible to a woman.

              There was an investigation, but it failed to convict him of his violations. Everyone was confident he did it, but no one could ‘prove’ it in a court of law. He was acquitted, ..and with unable to be retried for murder as the legal concept known as “Double Jeopardy” prevents as such.

              Well, …six months after his acquittal, during home a renovation project, someone found his recording of the crime in question.

              It made news. And he couldn’t get retried. People hated him.

              They eventually got him on perjury charges, and he served some time. But he walked around town arrogantly knowing he got a small sentence for torturing a woman to death.

              He didn’t do so well in his neighborhood, or any neighborhood. As I understand, he turned into an alcoholic. He got smashed one night, subsequently fell into a glass table and bled to death.

              Divine justice?

              R.I.P. Brenda Schaefer

          • JAC, I know your head is hard as a rock and rigid … but seriously, are you kidding? A sin?

            Where’s your Ayn Rand when YOU need her? 🙂

  60. gmanfortruth says:

    Intereting words from Putin:

    Putin highlighted traditionalism as the center for Russia’s national identity.

    “Without the values at the core of Christianity and other world religions, without moral norms that have been shaped over millennia, people will inevitably lose their human dignity,” he stated.

    The president criticized “Euro-Atlantic countries” where “any traditional identity, … including sexual identity, is rejected… There is a policy equating families with many children with same-sex families, belief in God with belief in Satan,” he said.

    http://rt.com/news/berlusconi-gay-rights-putin-123/

    • Interesting indeed, G.

      The dialogue is a clear indication of the direction of his focus. Putin has a somewhat paradoxical problem to sort out and is trying to find the win/win optimal balance.

      How DO you weigh out everything traditional that has shaped Russian culture and identity, with ever changing views, with rights and responsibility, with how it relates to the rest of the world, with projected outcomes, etc, etc?

      Putin is a smart guy. He’ll figure it out.

      Pope Francis is taking a rather interesting approach to traditional values and a changing world. He is receiving a bit of support from what I’ve gathered.

      …just a thought, …but maybe he can help Russian Catholics with a little guidance.

  61. @ Stephen: “The people my liberal son listens to have an agenda. I don’t. I just want to know.”

    Yes, I think it’s called treating human beings like human beings. Nothing wrong with that, sir.

  62. @Gman “With pedophilia, sexual preference is a non-issue. Let’s see if this question can be answered. Are muslim men who marry child brides and have regular sex with them Pedophiles? How about those that have multiple child brides?”

    Those are GREAT questions you pose, G … seriously, I’m impressed. I’m not sure what the answer is, except given a specific culture, it maybe deemed much more acceptable. The Greeks (way back) were pretty open about having same sex with young boys … it could be that OUR society has evolved in such a way as to condemn such behavior … but “I think” what separates the two “might be” that pedophiles tend to groom and/or trick and/or rape their victims. I’m not sure how to delineate the issue. But I strongly agree, sexual preference is an absolutely non-issue. Why I take such issue with the Bill Donahue(s) of the world.

    Go Bills!

    • Charlie,

      Read above where I mentioned sin and how it cultivates an adverse environment.

      Participate in modern media: FEAR SEX BUY FEAR SEX BUY

      So long as you are a scared consumer, you are under control. If you’re frequently thinking about sex, you are likely to be more sexually active, and are therefore likely to produce more slaves.

      We live in a society that promotes lust and sexual deviancy starting from a very young age. Look around, it’s everywhere. Under the right conditions it assists in producing people like John Wayne Gasy, or uncle Chester types, or violent rapists or those who seek to violate others.

      Combine that with the animalistic nature of humanity and a backward mixed up values system, and you can create all sorts of social pressures and subsequent issues.

      It manifests itself into things like 15 yr old girls getting breast implants and puking to look like the thin girl on the music video swaying her hips with hardly any clothes on…the same one her girlfriends at school are trying to be like…the same one the boys at school are looking at while learning to place a high value on ‘sexy’ and that bitches are just hoes, …the same one her mid-life crisis dad is looking at with drool running down his chin, and the same one her mom is looking at wishing she could young and pretty again so her husband will pay attention to her…so… she takes the daughter to get a boob job with her as a bonding time experience to compensate for the emptiness in their family life.

      Little Tommy that grew up with an understanding from his TV/parent that bitches are just hoes, has no reasoning to consider the position of the girl that ‘owed’ him sex for the nice dinner he just bought her.

      I am not necessarily judging people’s personal choices or blaming them on the media, but rather demonstrating the environment we accept/create for ourselves and children. What does society expect?

      The ancient Greeks didn’t have anything on the modern world. The current crop is chock full of ergot.

      Or was it a tower thing?

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