Keep it Closed

So here we are, Day 2 of the so called shutdown.  Much like the Sequester, Obama and his minions will try and make it hurt as much as possible.   So, with that said, if you are furloughed, you are non-essential.  You are being punished for their stupidity.  But fear not, Michele’s hair dresser is still on the clock.  What does it say when an incredibly bloated govt can lay off about 1 million workers and life goes on as usual for a vast majority of us.   Maybe this just says something about how our country is managed.  But,  here is something to consider joining.  What took so long?

Oath Keepers is Going “Operational” by Forming Special “Civilization Preservation” Teams

Oath Keepers is instructing its 30,000 members nation-wide to form up special teams and sub-teams in each Oath Keepers chapter, at the town and county level, modeled loosely on the Special Forces “A Team” (Operational Detachment A ) model, and for a similar purpose: to be both a potential operational unit for community security and support during crisis, but also, as mission #1, to serve as training and leadership cadre, to assist in organizing neighborhood watches, organizing veterans halls to provide community civil defense, forming County Sheriff Posses, strengthening existing CERT, volunteer fire, search-and-rescue, reserve deputy systems, etc., and eventually to assist in forming and training town and county militias (established by official act of town and county elected representatives). We want our chapters to organize themselves as a working model that we can then take to other veterans organizations, such as the VFW, American Legion, Marine Corps League, etc. in each town and help them establish such teams within their already existing veterans halls.  And likewise, to serve as a model and training cadre to help churches, neighborhood watches, and any other civic organization organize.

We are basing this on the Special Forces model, which has a twelve man “A team” of specially trained soldiers who are inserted into a community to train and lead that community in resistance to oppressive regimes (hence their motto: “De Oppresso Liber).  . SF’s primary mission is to teach, organize, and lead, rather than to directly fight. They can fight, of course, but they are most dangerous as a force-multiplier by helping an entire community to fight. We will do the same – be force multipliers to help prepare communities so they can preserve civilization by providing their own security, disaster relief, infrastructure preservation, emergency communications, strategic food reserve, and medical care.

In an SF team, there are:

Two communications experts.

Two Medics.

Two Combat Engineers (who can do more than demolitions. They can also build bridges, dig wells, install water-treatment, irrigation systems, etc. ).

Two weapons experts.

An Operations NCO.

An Assistant Operations NCO who also does intelligence.

A commanding officer, and his assistant commanding officer
.

Each SF soldier is first trained to be light infantry. They all go through Army Basic Training, Advanced Individual Training (AIT)(usually at the Infantry School at Ft. Benning), Airborne School, and then the SF Selection course, where they learn land navigation (including a difficult timed night land-nav course), wilderness survival (including a graded field “survival” exercise), and patrolling (including reconnaissance, ambushes, raids, reacting to ambush, movement to contact, etc), along with a timed ruck march, obstacle course, rappelling out of helicopters, and hand-to-hand. And then they learn their specialty of one of the above – medic, commo, engineer, weapons, etc. Then they put it all together in a field training final phase where they are dropped into the fictitious country of “Pineland” (in the mountains and forests of North Carolina) and have to teach and lead the indigenous people (played by other recruits waiting to enter the training) in irregular warfare against the enemy.

Then, once they graduate and make it to Group, they all cross train, each specialized team of two training the others so they are all pretty good at all tasks, but experts within their chosen specialty. They bring each-other up to a high standard of capability. And by having two of each specialty, they have redundancy (two is one, and one is none) and the ability to split into two teams of six if needed. They can function as a very capable fighting squad if they need to, but their primary mission is to train and lead others in irregular warfare.

Oath Keepers is using that successful model and adapting it to our mission, to form Oath Keepers “Civilization Preservation Teams”.

The following is a preliminary draft of what we intend to do, to be further modified and improved with our members’ continued input. This is not written in stone – it is just a start.   All who read this, please help us make it better by leaving in the comments your suggestions for improvement.  What are we missing?  What needs to be changed?  How can we make it better?

So far,we plan to have the following in each Operational “Field” Team:

Two Communication Experts

Two medical experts (with a special focus on grid-down emergency medical and wilderness medicine)

Two Engineers To assist with fuel, shelter, emergency power, clean water, sewage, etc. build bridges, clear roads, construction, facilitate field distribution of supply and logistics, etc.

Two Strategic Food Reserve (SFR) specialists (who focus on the critical need for food reserves for the whole team, dependents, and especially for the community and who distribute food aid in the field).

Four to Six “Scouts.”

All Scouts will train extensively in tracking, land navigation, search and rescue, reconnaissance and observation, precision rifle shooting, wilderness survival and other “bush skills,” camouflage, small unit tactics, and patrolling (and then will serve as a teaching cadre to cross-train all other team members in the basics of all of those skills). But within each Scout sub-team will be, ideally:

a. Two tracking experts

b. two precision shooting experts

c. Two close combat and small unit tactics experts

Those are the operational specialties and sub-teams within each field team at this time. Each specialty will train in-depth and become true experts in those sub-category skills.

As of now, our intent is for each field team of 12-14 people to elect their team leader and assistant team leader themselves, from within their own team. But let us know if you think it should be done a different way, and if you think that once a team leader and ATL are elected, that their slots need to be filled with other people joining the team. Can they lead and still do their specialty, or is it important enough that they concentrate on leading (including intelligence functions and liaison with military, police, local government, state, other groups, etc.) that they should not be expected to perform field duties within their specialty, but instead an additional person should be added to the team to fill those slots? Let us know what you think.

Within each chapter will also be a Support Team (Logistic Supply/Support Group (LSG).

This will be an auxiliary to assist the Field team with supplies and transport. The people within that support team will also train extensively with the field team. Picture older veterans with extensive knowledge, but who no longer feel fit enough to go out into the field. They can serve as trainers, and then as support for operations, and as part of a field HQ to give direction and advice over the radio to the field units. They can also drive vehicles, prepare shelter and rear -recovery area for the teams, etc. For example, imagine an old Marine Scout Sniper vet with bad knees, or an old Special Forces vet with a bad back. Neither of them will likely be interested in humping a ruck up and down mountains, but they can sure train the hell out of the younger guys.  Ditto for retired medics and communications/radio men.  Their knowledge is priceless, and can and will save lives and could save our country, if properly applied and then amplified and spread.  They can train the Field Teams, and make sure they really know what they are doing, with no bull allowed, and then they can be there as part of the Support Team, and as part of the HQ element that is likely going to be with the Support Team.

Within that support team, will be critical supply and logistics personnel, such as strategic food reserve, who get the food ready to go and help deliver it to the field SFR personnel, and same for back-up and support for the other Field Team specialists. And also within that team will be general supply and logistics, motorpool, and base station and portable HQ communications experts, an intel team, and a base station medical team which may even be able to set up a mobile field hospital (presuming the expertise is available, and the supplies).    Along side the support team will be a chapter headquarters unit, consisting of the local chapter leader and assistant chapter leader.  We will flesh this out with more formal structure shortly.

So far, that is it for the field team(s) an the support team. What  are we missing? Anything need to be added, or changed?

Within each chapter should also be the following sub-teams for use both during “normal” times and also during emergencies:

Peace Officer Liaison and Sheriff /posse Team. Focused on making sure the local Sheriff is a “constitutional Sheriff” who understands the Constitution and the duty to defend it, and making sure there is a posse to back the sheriff up, but also reaching out to city police and deputies. This team would preferably be led by a retired peace officer, who will get to know all local police.  That team will also serve as the HQ liaison between the chapter HQ and local, state, and federal law enforcement (with a focus on the locals).

Military and National Guard Liaison. To communicate with and build relationships with local military and national guard units, and serve as liaisons during operations.

Neighborhood Watch Team. To help form neighborhood watches throughout the local community and liaison with them.

Local Government Team. To get to know the local town council, county government, judges, county attorney, etc, and observe each town and county government meeting. This is the team that will draft and introduce militia bills, posse bills, and nullification bills, among other items to support liberty at the local level, and will help liaison with them all during emergencies.

Intelligence Team.   To gather, analyze, and disseminate intelligence on who is doing what, where, when, and why.

Chapters can form additional teams as needed in their own area and circumstances, but those are the basics.


Like SF, all Oath Keepers will be expected to learn light infantry skills
. They will all be encouraged to attend an Appleseed Rifle Program and shoot to “Rifleman” standards. Just as the Marines say that every Marine is a Rifleman (even the cooks) so will every Oath Keeper be a rifleman. After learning solid rifle marksmanship, they will learn individual movement and tactics, then buddy team, fire-team, and squad movement and tactics (shoot, move, communicate). All of you infantry veterans need to step up and teach these skills to everyone else. So, it is not just the Scouts who will learn those skills – everyone on a field team will learn them, and even the support team members should at least train in the basics so they can defend themselves.

All will learn land navigation, basic wilderness survival, basic first aid and combat lifesaver skills, and basic patrolling and small unit tactics.

as in SF, each will pick one (or two, if they have the time) specialty sub-categories to train in-depth in, and then each will cross train in other specialties. Ideally, all would at least be exposed to training in tracking and precision shooting. With other team members training to a high state of capability, and available to cross-train other members, the only real limitation is time to train. Each has a focus, but is encouraged to cross-train extensively.

Within a chapter, when you get enough people to form more field teams, you do it. Replicate and multiply them like cells dividing and multiplying.

All who are interested in each specialty will train together for two months, and then form the field teams and train as a whole team.  For example, if ya chapter had four or five people interested in the medical specialty, they would all train together, to set training goals, standards, gear selection, SOPs, etc (with bonafide medics, corpsmen, and EMTs taking the lead, but anyone would be welcome to train for the team who commits to that track).  They train together for two months before you set up any Field Teams, but even after they are sent into field teams, those medical track personnel still get together for ongoing training among themselves. Within each two man sub-team, the one with the most knowledge is the lead between the two. For example, a prior service medic or corpsman would be paired up with a newbie who would serve as his apprentice while the newbie gets trained up. All would be encouraged to seek formal training, such as local college EMT classes, Wilderness Medicine classes, and tactical medicine classes (which are rare, but do exist for civilians). But no one would be turned away just because they are new to the field. All who are committed to that specialty track will be welcome, but expected to train their butts off, and they will be under the direct supervision of those with more training (by the way, this is how volunteer fire departments do it. The older and wiser guys train the newbs).

And the same for all the other specialties. What will be of utmost importance is that those with real-deal experience and professional training in any of the above need to step up and help train up these specialties and sub-teams within their local chapter and community. Duplicate yourself, replicate yourself! Teach others what you know, and help them form up into working teams. Even if you are too old, injured, or whatever to go out into a field situation humping a ruck, you can still teach, and help them get squared away.

And remember, the primary mission is to build up a competent training cadre, as force multipliers, with a working model, to then get the local veterans groups to form up similar teams within their local veteran hall, and then to go out and help the community form similar teams in neighborhood watches, mutual aid associations, within churches, and then within the broader town and county. Therefore, all the medics, even the older guys who are not able to go into some field conditions, will be on the teaching team when they go out to teach others during “normal” times. Ditto for all the other specialties.

And so, you should not just be forming these teams within your local Oath Keepers chapter and helping local veterans halls do the same, but also within your own family and circle of friends, and within your own neighborhood (who’s on your buddy team, who’s on your fire team, who’s on your squad?). Start a neighborhood watch and then build a solid field team and a support team within your own neighborhood.

When the crap hits the fan, you need well-trained people around you, with complementary skills, who can help you get through. Like Kevin Reeve of Onpoint Tactical says: “training trumps gear. And community trumps both training and gear.” You can’t know it all, or do it all, and you have to sleep sometime.   So build a team, build community, and preserve civilization.It starts with you, your family, your small circle of most trusted friends, then your neighborhood, your church, your veterans halls in your town, the Sheriff’s posse, the local search and rescue, volunteer fire, etc., and then out to your county and state. WHY WE ARE DOING THIS:In addition to this being part of our mission anyway, we feel like we are flat running out of time and we need to get as prepared as possible as fast as possible. The Oath Keepers national Board of Directors war-gamed what we think is the most likely move by our enemies to scrap the Constitution. On the BOD at the time were a Special Forces Major, an Army Ranger, and a Marine Scout-sniper veteran, as well as a retired Navy Commander and several Vietnam combat vets, and several other combat arms veterans. Playing devil’s advocate, and putting themselves in the enemy’s shoes, we estimated that the most effective course for “them” to follow would be to:

1. Intentionally trigger a catastrophic economic collapse as an economic “neutron bomb” (kills the people, but leaves the land intact). With the current intentional lack of a Strategic Grain Reserve, our population is in a strategic “checkmate” position where an economic collapse could be a near-extinction event for our population. During the Cold War, the U.S. government maintained three years worth of grain in a Strategic Grain Reserve for the entire US population because they knew that in the wake of a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union, it could take three years to recover and grow crops again. Without that reserve, those who survived the exchange would starve to death before they could possibly restart growing enough food. We now have no such Strategic food reserve, which means that any catastrophic interruption in food delivery could kill millions of Americans. Such a disruption could occur because of even a limited nuclear exchange, an EMP strike (either man-made, or natural, as a result of solar activity), or, an economic collapse.

Currently, our economy is in such a weak state that an economic collapse could be intentionally triggered at any time. Because of the lack of a food reserve, and because few Americans store food on their own, such a collapse would lead to mass starvation, just like in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange.

The US government is spending billions of dollars on ammunition, armored vehicles, and weapons for DHS and local police. It is spending nothing on food for the people. They are preparing to control and contain us, and to shoot us, but not preparing to feed us. Why is that?  You know the answer.

2. Let the country descend into chaos. A national economic collapse would be like a “national Katrina” but lasting far longer, and because it is nation-wide, it would be far more intense. The cities would implode. All the government would have to do is contain them and let them implode. in the midst of that chaos, they could also do a decapitation strike on the leaders of the liberty movement, but other than that, “They” could just sit back and wait a month, two months, or three to be really sure the people are at a maximum level of starvation, weakness, and chaos, and then:

3. Ride in like the cavalry, to “save” us by means of martial law and scrapping our constitution once-and-for all. They could blame the collapse on the so-called “free market” and on not having enough government power, and they could blame delays in relief on the “extremists” in the patriot movement (i.e. “we would have gotten the food trucks in sooner, but the extremists were ambushing our safety check-points and resisting the necessary relocation to relief camps”). Their ready to go solution would be a world-wide version of the Fed, and a world wide government. People would be told to “just turn in your guns, and you’ll get food” and “just turn in the extremists, and you’ll get food.”

ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS: To the above, we now add Brandon Smith’s insight that with a war in Syria, the elites can trigger an economic collapse with a war – with Russia and China using economics as a weapon in retaliation. All China would have to do is dump US treasuries and refuse to trade with US dollars. That would begin the final death-spiral of the dollar.

The Chinese would be blamed for the collapse, rather than the banksters. “They” would tell the American people that the evil Chinese are to blame for the death of the dollar, and anyone who resists the “emergency measures” by the US government would be accused of aiding the enemy. They would say “domestic extremists took advantage of the Chinese economic attack on us to push their own racist and extremist anti-government agenda, making the collapse worse by attacking peace-keepers and international relief volunteers, and by attacking and resisting US officials who were trying to restore law and order.”

It is because of the systemic weakness of the American people, and our strategic checkmate position of having no strategic food storage and no effective local security, that we feel the need to take Oath Keepers operational and put our focus on each chapter being a training cadre to get their communities as prepared and organized as possible in whatever time we have left.

We urge you to presume the worst in the short term, and to work in three or four month sprints – assume that a collapse will be triggered this fall/winter and do all you can to get yourselves and your communities ready.

If it doesn’t happen in the next four months, then do another sprint, of three or four more months of preparation. And keep going until it happens – which it will eventually, no matter what anyone does. The dollar is doomed.

We encourage each individual to build a food reserve, to set aside food for their neighbors (10% of their food is for others), and to have basic communications (at least a hand-held dual band radio), basic medical, and water purification, shelter, and weapons and ammo.   We will post more details on our recommendations for preparedness in a follow-up post.

Everyone is encouraged to use the above team building model and template to build a team within their family, extended family, and friends, and to then do the same in their neighborhoods, and in their civic organizations. From the individual, to the family, neighborhood, civic org, town, county, and state. Bottom up.

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Comments

  1. gmanfortruth says:

    Interesting times we live in 🙂

  2. gmanfortruth says:

    As is the norm, the open mic forum is open!

  3. GREAT! Looks like absolute insanity and paranoia … wingies get to play at war! How cool is that. I guess paint-balling just didn’t cut it. Maybe we can fight another civil war right here in the good old US&A! Absolutely insane.

  4. Just A Citizen says:

    GMan

    In keeping with the Conspiracy theory……………..How do we know the Oath Keepers are not PART of the Govt Plot?? Bwahahahahaha

    Hope all is well in the land of Penn.
    JAC

    • gmanfortruth says:

      All is well in Pa 🙂 The leaves are changing fast and deer season starts Saturday. It’s a perfect Fall day here, doing my final safety checks on tree stands. I now have 10 area on the farm ready to go and 1 in the public lands to my West. Lots of nice bucks running aound, should be fun 🙂

      I brought this subject up to help by providing a plan to organize your neighbors, something discussed long ago, thought it may help. I’m not involved outside of my neighbors, but at least we won’t shoot each other, LOL!

    • I’d lock arms with you sister! Love this comment:

      I read somewhere that Normandy Beach was closed when they got there–they opened it too.

      Those vets would kick his ass!

  5. Judy Sabatini says:

    Well, all I can say is, my son is one the military personal that furloughed. He’ll get a pay check tomorrow, but, after that, who knows. There are 530 from his work alone that got furloughed, military & civilian technicians, all non-active duty, his not even sure if there will be drill this weekend. His wife on the other hand will be paid, being she is in Afghanistan right now. Until they get their shit together & get this mess fixed one way or another, who knows how long people will be out of work. But, yet, Obama can fly his cook in just to make pizza.

    • “But, yet, Obama can fly his cook in just to make pizza.”

      An essential staple of a good diet.

      Listen to me … this is all nonsense … the 30 lunatics you’re all defending now will be the cause of you losing the house the next go … everyone will remember what these morons were willing to do for the 1% … and while they’re safe and will be re-elected, all the moderates will go down in flames.

      Speaking of flames … Arturo’s pizza, coal oven baked … Housten Street in Greenwich Village 🙂

  6. gmanfortruth says:
  7. Not sure I can agree with this, G: “So, with that said, if you are furloughed, you are non-essential. You are being punished for their stupidity.”

    Obamacare (having fallen short of Universal health care as it has) is the law of the land … so who’s being stupid? Seems to me the tea baggers are force feeding the Rep party their own brand of bullshit … not that it’ll make a difference anyway … but … this really is a hostage situation.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Maybe if they already had an annual budget, required by law, which they haven’t had since Obama took office, none of this would happen. This fight should have been over months ago.

  8. I don’t know who this Betsy person is, but she makes a good point and I wonder about the legality of it all now.

    http://therightscoop.com/betsy-mccaughey-to-mark-levin-what-the-president-is-imposing-on-us-today-is-not-the-affordable-care-act/

  9. Is this child abuse?

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=37470

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      I believe it is. Maybe they should have adopted a girl instead of putting this boy through this. I noticed the article didn’t say how Thomas felt about being changed into a girl either. Poor kid doesn’t look too happy in the picture either. Might change the appearance on the outside, but, maybe not on the inside, & what’s going to happen when he/she gets older? Think female, or still have male thinking or both? I feel sorry for this kid in having to go through this.

      • Mathius™ says:

        I noticed the article didn’t say how Thomas felt about being changed into a girl either.

        That’s because the article is blatantly biased. Here’s a better one: Link.

        “At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder. By the age of eight, he began transitioning.

        […] The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy’s parents.”

        I think we can safely guess how he SHE felt.

    • Mathius™ says:

      Could you possibly have picked a more biased source?

      Your article makes it seem like the parents are man-hating lesbians forcing their child into some kind of medical experimentation because of a anti-male world-view.

      What’s closer to the truth is that gender is a complicated issue in today’s world. There is more to it than “Has Penis” and “Does Not Have Penis.” The kid identified HERself as female. SHE was diagnosed by a licensed psychologist. And SHE wanted the procedure.

      HER parents decided (probably correctly) that it’s an easier transition to make if you make it before puberty. If they are certain that this is the correct path for their child, it is their choice (as parents) to make.

      The parents have two older (and ostensibly normal) sons and were reluctant to travel this route but accepted what their son daughter is and are trying to do the best they can for her following the medical advice on the best way to ensure a good transition.

      What they are doing is loving their daughter unconditionally and trying to give her a live she will want to live.

      —-

      This is not child abuse. Refusing to vaccinate your child against Whooping Cough is child abuse.

      … as is making your child wear Crocs.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Refusing to vaccinate your child is NOT CHILD ABUSE either.

        • Mathius™ says:

          In certain limited cases, there is a medical reason (eg compromised immune system, etc).

          Vaccines are almost pure upside. It’s cruel to deny a child the benefits.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Vaccines! Yes, we now have things like Autism, Gulf War syndrome, obesity and diabetes beyond what should be normal. The vaccine makers have admitted to putting cancer viruses in vaccines for decades! Now, today, the same adjuvant of Squaline that caused Gulf War syndrome will be used in flu shots, make sure ya’ll get yours tomorrow.

            You want child abuse? Let someone put something inside their body that YOU don’t really know whats in it! That, Sir, might qualify as child abuse.

      • Quite honestly, I do not see where a six year old would get the idea or be so offended by a part of his body that he would contemplate mutilating his self. I don’t think it came from the child, unless someone put the idea there-whether they meant to or not.

        As far as the rest-My understanding is that anything like this done before puberty is irreversible-Which to me seems to be a really big deal if they are wrong! So on what do they base a bigger chance for problems if they wait? Lack of data on the irreversible problems caused when they are wrong.

  10. On another happy note, I was watching a re-run of yesterday’s rodeo clown speech. Correct me if I’m wrong but is he not taking credit for the slowdown in government spending and the reduction of the deficit caused by the sequester which he initiated but blames the Republicans for provoking? Are we still in Kansas?

    This is the only president I have ever seen in history that cannot do any wrong.Truly he must be the second coming!

    • Now, now, Stephen … I’m the 2nd Coming.

      But you note kind of reminds me of this one: Bush and his neo-cons ran two wars on credit cards, claimed oil prices would be lowered over the long haul and told people to “go shopping” … then started the bailout process when things collapsed under his watch … and suddenly now the GOP is very concerned about the deficit … hmmm … they must not do anything wrong either! 🙂

  11. The guy is not only evil but truly insane. Closed the cemetery at Normandy. #shutdown

  12. http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/10/02/weeping-confession-and-hugs-replace-reading-writing-and-math-at-school/?singlepage=true

    Wow, just wow. Wayyyy to much psychologically screwing with my kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • There is no damn way I’m signing a permission slip for this kind of mind games. I’m real close to Royal Oak..getting outta here right now and blasting this to my community.

      • Holy shit! I’m doomed. Been at it here for a couple hours. I found out this took place at our middle school while I was homeschooling…It’s at least 5 against me and one other person who only had a minor comment about it being creepy. They’re all for it. I can’t wait to get outta here..T minus 3 yrs..ugh!

        • What did they like about it? Did they say?

          • Shucks. Left my computer at home today. I cant figure out how to copy the comments on my daughter’s MAC..anyway..I was going back and forth with a couple former students of my city who are both now teachers in other districts where Challenge Day has been run, also with a girl who runs a church youth club in the city. They were all over it..what a good program it is..how all the students just loved the experience..how it helps with self esteem and breaks down barriers between nerds and jocks…and for every comment of mine about these issues dont really belong in a govt school setting..ahem controlled environment..they came back with more about how the students loved it..I said I felt like it was an invasion of my child’s and my family’s privacy..they say the kids can offer up info or not…i say kids twist what the real problem is..they say it’s all voluntary..i say cross the line if you blah blah blah is intruding…they say it’s helpful for breaking down barriers, it’s a powerful experience for them. I say it sounds like social engineering and sissyfying..when I was in school it was called “growing up” ..they called my comment offensive.They denied things like physical contact and singling out who needs more attention..but when I point out that the Challenge Day website ENCOURAGES this stuff they have no response. I don’t know…they just were not gonna see my side period. I had a headache by the end of the night.. I just looked..there were 14 likes on the one teacher’s positive comments for the program…I didn’t have any likes on any of my comments 🙂

        • Yep, these things have been around under various guises since the ’60’s. Coincidentally, last night I was thinking about them and how they relate to the political and the environmental movement.

          If we can all accept that the West and the US are in a post-Christian and post-religious age, it all makes sense. Before this time, people put their faith in something higher. They knew what righteousness was supposed to be and knew when they crossed the line. Certainly Catholics had a mechanism to seek forgiveness and a place to “open up” and confess. With religion gone, what’s left?

          Back in the “60’s when the “T” group thing was all the rage, my Psych professors warned us to avoid them as kind of a wacky California thing. I remember being told that people would “confess” all sorts of things that either never happened or that they didn’t do so that they could then “belong” to group. Interesting that this was going on at the same time as the Great Cultural Leap Forward in China. Reverend Jim Jones and Jonestown are the logical ends for such movements.

          In Catholic High School, you do several “retreats” while a student. The big one, is usually in Senior Year. An awful lot of this stuff comes out at a retreat but in my experience and that of my sons, you are not publicly “confessing”. Everything is on the table and it can be emotional and enlightening but at the end, it is your choice to go to Confession privately or not. A few years ago I participated in “men’s retreat” . The guys who put it together, did tell stories of their past.Mostly those stories had to do with personal, health, and family challenges they had overcome. I found it useful in the sense that it reminded me yet again that there is nothing new under the sun and we’re all in this thing called life together. There was no hugging, weeping or whining. As Joe Friday would have said, Just the facts, just the facts”.

          When you talk about not giving “:permission slip” to your kids, you fall into their trap. Your kid is now singled out for not participating. These things are win-win for the other side. You, of course and your entire family are at the very least uptight.

          • ” …cliques, gossip, rumors, negative judgments, teasing, harassment, isolation, stereotypes, intolerance, racism, sexism, bullying, violence, homophobia, hopelessness, apathy, and hidden pressures to create an image, achieve or live up to the expectations of others ”

            How many facets of division are there in the modern world? How many examples of this group or that group vs the other groups are there?

            We are divided into class, race, religion, gender, political party, etc, etc, etc,… on top of being a very competitive society, …which creates and harbors an elitist and/or self righteous mindset., …which often leads to a devaluing of others and lack of respect on a very basic level…which occasionally leads to a violation of their rights.

            Granted, we are all different and life isn’t fair, …but to consider someone unacceptable because they are less-than the artificial social standard of ‘perfect’, is not healthy for a society.

            We’re all human. We all have flaws, strengths and weaknesses. We all make mistakes.(..some actually learn from them.)

            While the methods are a little odd, the exercise at the school is what appears to be an UN-doctrination (if you will). It is a lesson to suggest that we are all just human, …to understand how to get over our hangups, to let go of stereotypical nonsense.

            And it’s not like it was forced or anything. There WERE permission slips required. How does it harm? Over all, I think it is a good thing.

            I simply wonder why it is being taught in schools and not at home.

            • “I simply wonder why it is being taught in schools and not at home.”

              And that’s the key, right there. The fact that these are held in government run schools makes all the difference in the world.

            • Further.

              Just to share,

              I went to the same middle school in a city district for 3 years. The student body was a pretty good mix of people. In our district, we had an upper middle class Jewish neighborhood, an inner city poor black neighborhood, inner city poor white neighborhood, and a otherwise even mix of working/middle class white people, …and a few Asian people.

              Most of us went there for all three years, and by the time we made it to eighth grade, we were a unified force of 13 yr olds. We had spent enough time together to know each other, had all of our arguments and settled all our differences. We were over it. Subsequently, we ruled that school.

              It was a valuable lesson that was taught by the natural order of things, and not all the fabricated BS. We didn’t get sensitivity training or any of that. We simply learned to get over it and get along. As soon as we did, we found ourselves often working as a team to do anything we wanted, which was usually to manipulate and/or control the faculty.

              We were like the ‘Breakfast Club’, only there were about a hundred or more of us.

              It was like were unstoppable. They had no control over us. We were the ones really in charge, and we knew it. If a teacher were to have a particularly bad attitude one day, …they would be running out into the hallway crying before the class was half over.

              Looking back, I feel sorry for the faculty. But it was a good lesson in the power of acceptance and unity.

          • That’s exactly what I was thinking SK..it’s something more like a retreat. But a retreat happens in a place where you are there specifically for a spiritual experience. This is different. ..side note..Went on a retreat in 9th grade..i was the youth rep on the parish council…get to the retreat place..that night the priest of my church asked if I’d like to go for a walk with him through the gardens..beautiful place..i declined…fast forward 25 yrs..sure enough that priest got busted for abusing kids earlier in his career..not from my church though… Talk about weird flashback 🙂

            I’ll copy & paste some of the responses from last night.

    • Wow! Never heard of this.

  13. “Because it works!”
    That’s what I’m talkin’ about!
    http://www.salon.com/2013/03/29/north_dakota_is_bringing_socialism_back_partner/

    • A small state with a history decides eons go to do this. I like it. I like worker co-ops. I like worker credit unions. I like unions that invest their pension funds in things that help their members. I believe smaller is better even if it is less cost efficient.

      Lastly, to quote the old man yet again, “Whenever a Company gets so big that the guy in charge does not know what every employee does for the company, the Company is doomed.”

  14. gmanfortruth says:

    The US govt is totally pathetic! When folks like Charlie spout “Socialism”, one wonders if they are sane. How can anyone want this govt to run anything? Keep chirpin Charlie, BWAHAHA! 🙂

  15. gmanfortruth says:

    Tropical Storm Karen to be named in Gulf of Mexico. This will hit the US early next week. THe Govt will claim it can’t help I bet, which might be a good thing.

  16. This is a good one. I actually went through it and rated myself and am happy with the results.

    http://2012election.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004818

    May come back later on and tell you how I feel about all 16,

    • Yes, come back-sounds interesting.

      Don’t know if it really fits but I had a marked uncontrollable “physical” reaction when I read these word:

      “During the course of my presidency, I have bent over backwards to work with the Republican party and have purposely kept my rhetoric down. I think I’m pretty well known for being a calm guy. Sometimes people think I’m too calm. And am I exasperated? Absolutely I’m exasperated because this is entirely unnecessary.”

  17. New word entered in the Urban Dictionary: barrycade

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/10/hah-barrycade-enters-urban-dictionary/

    • With respect to the war monuments on the Mall, I would like to suggest that the American Legion, VFW and other veteran groups put together a brigade to occupy the monuments and remove the barriers. Such civil disobedience is called for.

  18. Thank you, again, Governor Walker. Just hiked here the other day. Beautiful area. Colors were minimal though, so plan to go back soon. So glad to know, this STATE park will remain open.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2013/10/meanwhile-in-wisconsin-gov-scott-walker.html

  19. Let’s here it for the tea baggers! Winning one for the Dems!

  20. Mathius™ says:

    The US Capitol is under lockdown after several gunshots were heard outside. One police officer is reportedly injured, and there are reports that the gunman has been arrested.

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      He must feel really proud for having all those babies killed.

      • Not sure he cares enough to even be prideful 😦

        • Judy Sabatini says:

          V.H. I was being kind of sarcastic when I said that, but I do agree with you.

          • I know Judy. I wasn’t really disagreeing with you-the man is obviously proud of his money, proud of how many woman he has slept with-I just think when it comes to thinking about how many babies he is killing-He gives it no thought-He doesn’t give a shit.

            • Judy Sabatini says:

              Again, I agree with you V. My youngest son & his wife had a bay girl, will be 3 weeks this Sunday, & when I hold her & look at her, I can’t imagine how anybody can abort something so precious.

  21. RISE and SHINE!!!! T.G.I.F. 🙂

  22. The Bills AND the Rangers lost … I’m the kiss of death …
    http://temporaryknucksline.blogspot.com/2013/10/podcast-and-interview-breaking-bad-some.html

  23. Just A Citizen says:

    Listening to all the rationalizing and excuse making for the Capital police killing an unarmed woman with a baby in her car.

    The car was a WEAPON……….Oh really????

    Well lets look back to the latest Gun banning frenzy. When we gun lovers pointed out more people are killed by cars so why not ban cars WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE!!!!!!!!!!

    That’s right……………Cars ARE NOT WEAPONS.

    Here is my OPINION. The Capital Police and all the other paramilitary types in that city are TRIGGER Happy. Because it is the Capital they are going to be more prone to shoot first and ask later.

    This police force needs to attend training on how do RECOGNIZE and DEAL WITH people who appear mentally unstable.

  24. Sorry for not participating lately…..currently with Texas Veterans. We are tearing down barricades at all the memorials in Washington. Large protest group from Fort Worth….nothing will keep us out……nothing! Be back on soon.

  25. gmanfortruth says:

    Wake up Anita, your late again 🙂

    Deer hunting begins today 🙂 Will be replying via Iphone.

  26. aaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha haaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhaaaaa..omg..now he wants to close the ocean! WTH?
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/05/Feds-Try-to-Close-the-OCEAN-Because-of-Shutdown

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      He has lost it. Time for him to in the loony bin. So, what happens to all the cruise ships that are out there, do they have to come in & dock until this crap is over with? They keep locking everything up like that, & they’re going to have a revolution on their hands like never before I bet. Talk about temper-tantrums, he’s worse than a 2 year old with one.

    • Yea and priest can’t preach either-even for free-just sure that one is denying freedom of religion to our servicemen. Just waiting to see what happens this Sunday.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Obama and his minions are complete losers! They will pay for their actions one day, and the whole world will understand why. Karma works that way!

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Just a matter of time before something happens. He’s hit a new low doing this crap, but, then, what do you expect from a POS like he is. WHA! WHA! WHA! I’m not getting my way, si I’ll teach them mean ol people & close everything off to them. What an idiot. There’s no way, no how, service people can’t have their Sunday services, that’s taking away part of the 1st amendment right.

        • I think the word “Petty” with a capital P fits him well. The man and his administration seem to have Petty dictatorial tendencies that get in the way of their common sense.

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            What common sense did they even have in the first place. If it made any sense at all, they wouldn’t do it for that reason, it made sense.

  27. Judy Sabatini says:
  28. Judy Sabatini says:

    There’s a picture with this as well, but, can’t get it up. He’s hitting an all time low doing this shit.

    An Unbelievable New Low For Obama – Mount Rushmore Parking Blockage Stirs Anger
    The National Park Service has blocked lanes to prevent viewers from stopping on the side of the road to view Mount Rushmore. The Argus-Leader newspaper says “Blocking access to trails and programs at South Dakota’s most popular attraction was one thing, but state officials didn’t expect Congress’ budget stalemate to shut down a view of Mount Rushmore.
    “The National Park Service placed cones along highway viewing areas outside Mount Rushmore this week, barring visitors from pulling over and taking pictures of the famed monument. . .
    “Tour groups were unable to take pictures of the monument because highway viewing areas were coned off.
    “Jim Hagen, Secretary of the Department of Tourism, said the situation is hurting people from out-of-state and international visitors who are in South Dakota to visit the monument. ‘They won’t even let you pull off on the side of the road,’ Hagen said. ‘I just don’t know what they’re trying to accomplish. This has never happened before.’ . .
    “Republicans said the administration is unnecessarily making the shutdown more painful than needed — including coning off viewing areas near Mount Rushmore. ‘It disgusts me that taxpayer resources were used on this act of stupidity,’ Rep. Kristi Noem (R-SD) said. ‘This is federal government arrogance at its worst.’
    “Sen. John Thune (R-SD) said ‘The administration wants to make this as painful as possible.’
    “Thune said the Senate could easily take up spending bills to fund parks and other specific items rather than an overall spending bill, but he said Democrats have refused. ‘They, obviously, prefer to have the issue and not the solution,’ he said.
    “Gov. Dennis Daugaard (R-SD) offered to keep Mount Rushmore open using state resources, but the National Park Service declined.
    ‘I can’t even believe we’re having this conversation,’ he said.”

  29. Per drudge 83% of the government is up and running. The pentagon is calling back the people they furloughed, the whatever they’re called are bringing back people to handle the storm, and they will pass the bill to give back pay to the federal workers. Almost seems like the only parts of government that are closed are public lands and monuments and they’re having to pay extra money to pay people to keep the American citizens out of places that normally have no guards.

    And just for fun the new democrat tag word is anarchist.

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      I read where they passed the back pay, but, they won’t get it until this shutdown is settled. Fat lot of good that does the people now though, since they need it now, not later.

      • That’s true and I hate that anyone is being hurt-but it’s also true that Obamacare is hurting a lot of people and if implemented will hurt a lot more, IMHO.

        One other observation-The IRS is up and running but somehow they can only collect money-not refund it. Can anyone say-Government matters-people do not.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          VH, this is what I and many others have been saying all along, govt thinks they own YOU !

          • Just because I believe there is a need for government-doesn’t mean I don’t see the very huge problems they cause when they grow too big.

            I have been convinced that voting republican just to keep the party in power isn’t working. I just wish the democrats would realize the same thing on their side. And we’d all start actually using our votes to control the government -instead of letting them control us with party power.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              I am not 100% against government (I rarely complain about State and never about local govt’s), but the monopoly on politics that the two parties have simply makes the whole process corrupt. Sadly, the more that seemed to change at the Federal level after elections, the more they have remained the same.

  30. Judy Sabatini says:
  31. After Shutdown: Administration Gives $445,000,000 to Corporation for Public Broadcasting
    October 3, 2013 – 4:15 PM
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    (CNSNews.com) – On the first day of the “shutdown” of the federal government, when members of the U.S. Senate were going to the well of their house to point out that the shutdown would prevent the National Institutes of Health from starting clinical trials for cancer patients and others facing possibly terminal illnesses, the administration was giving $445,000,000 to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, according to the Daily Treasury Statement.

    That means PBS NewsHour, National Public Radio and Sesame Street got a taxpayer subsidy during the shutdown, but not would-be cancer patients at the NIH.

    The $445 million the Treasury handed over to CPB was more than the $119 million the Treasury paid on the first day of the shutdown in interest on U.S. government debt that is held by the public. It was also more than $171 million in Social Security benefits the Treasury paid that day. But it was less than the $592 million the Treasury paid for Veterans Affairs programs on the first day of the shutdown.

    The $445 million the Treasury gave to CPB on the first day of the shutdown was also almost as much as the $471 million the administration gave to the entire Department of Health and Human Services that day.

    CNSNews.com contacted a spokesman for CPB to ask for an explanation of why CPB got $445 million in taxpayer money on the first day of the federal government “shutdown. The spokesman suggested that CNSNews.com call the Office of Management and Budget–which is part of the White House–and responded by emailing to CNSNews.com two statements on CPB’s website. The first pointed out that CPB is a “private, not-for-profit corporation.”

    The second said: “For 35 years, decisions on the amount of federal support for public broadcasting have been made two years ahead of the fiscal year in which the funding is allocated. In other words, Congress approves the FY2013 funding level for CPB during the FY2011 budget cycle, its FY2014 funding during the FY2012 cycle, and so on.”

    “CPB also makes available some of the most entertaining, informative, educational, and culturally-relevant programming—including Sesame Street, PBS NewsHour, Frontline, Great Performances, All Things Considered, Morning Edition, and Marketplace—through the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS), NPR, American Public Media, and Public Radio International (PRI),” said the statement on the CPB website.
    – See more at: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/after-shutdown-administration-gives-445000000-corporation-public#sthash.DnbhjQUf.dpuf

    Wow -don’t know why I’m surprised! Just seems unbelievable though.

  32. Here’s one more-they’re selectively closing down government web sites-now understand they are not just not updating them which would mean paying someone-they are closing them down-so that people can’t get the information that was already there-and from what I’ve read it cost a lot of money to close them down for no good reason-well other than their petty dictators tendencies.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      There is some good coming from all of this, Obama has ensured that the military and the Veterans will never support him or his Party. I personally think Obama is a criminal and should be held accountable. I’m far from alone on this, and I believe he no longer controls the military, but that is speculation on my part.

      • I stop in here from time to time to see what’s the latest post … man, do yous ever get tired of the Obama-whining? Most of you claim to be independents/libertarians, etc. … and put down the Repubicans when it’s convenience … yet here you are spending all your energy whining about the “criminal” Obama … especially you military guys … was it Obama who sent you to two wars you claim you don’t believe in? I don’t know, I certainly have no use for Obama, but seriously, folks … the Obama whining in here is kind of comical … and you sure sound like you’re all Republicans speaking Fox Noise talking points … and I have to believe the Democratic Party couldn’t support your whining more … tea partiers were the reason you lost the presidential in 2012 and next go you’ll probably lose the house … but you’ll definitely lose the 2016 presidential … so maybe it’s time to start brushing up on your Hillary whining … remember, she was smarter than Obama (in spite of her being more conservative than he preached) … she wanted universal healthcare … like the rest of the civilized world you all claim has been falling apart since I’ve been on here … you know, those evil socialist states … 🙂

        • Give it a rest Charlie. You are just as frustrated as we are by the last current and previous administrations…You want socialism..we want conservatism…so what! Yeah, we bash Obama…but you bash the Tea Party. Big deal. SUFA has only been around since Obama has been in office..so he takes the heat. That and I don’t think anyone, including you, likes this fundamental transformation of America. 👿

        • I sometimes Rant 🙂 I do not whine!

  33. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/04/who-s-really-winning-the-government-shutdown-debate.html

    SO-we shouldn’t negotiate over a CR or on raising the debt ceiling. So exactly when are we allowed to negotiate. There hasn’t been a budget passed since Obama took office. So basically the man is saying -we have a democrat president so the other party and the people they represent should just shut up-that our actual system of government and separation of powers mean nothing. The Constitutional powers granted to the House and to the people they represent should be moot. I think not!

    • VH,
      Did you read the article you posted a link too? It explained why Obama shouldn’t negotiate over a CR or on raising the debt ceiling:

      Boehner’s request is nonsense. The continuing resolution isn’t the place for broad budget negotiations. Republicans don’t get goodies for allowing the government to run, as if it’s some kind of concession. Likewise, they aren’t privileged in their preferences for the Affordable Care Act. If the GOP wants to repeal or defund the law, it should build support, win elections, and pursue its goals through normal means. To do otherwise, to force legislative concessions through manufactured crisis, is to destabilize our system and damage the foundation of our democracy.

      Here’s another explanation – at the top of page 2:

      The standoff embroiling Washington represents far more than the specifics of the demands on the table, or even the prospect of economic calamity. It is an incipient constitutional crisis. Obama foolishly set the precedent in 2011 that he would let Congress jack him up for a debt-ceiling hike. He now has to crush the practice completely, lest it become ritualized. Obama not only must refuse to trade concessions for a debt-ceiling hike; he has to make it clear that he will endure default before he submits to ransom. To pay a ransom now, even a tiny one, would ensure an endless succession of debt-ceiling ransoms until, eventually, the two sides fail to agree on the correct size of the ransom and default follows.

      http://nymag.com/news/politics/nationalinterest/government-shutdown-2013-10/

      • I read it-I simply think it’s a stupid argument. The President does not have complete control because he and the democrats do not have control of all 3 divisions of the government. To just state that one part of the government does not have the right to use that power is in my opinion declaring your self King–not President. Sorry the President doesn’t like our system of government but it is still our system of government. He can certainly say he will not negotiate but then two can play that game. If anyone is holding the government hostage it is the man who thinks he is king.

        • If anyone is holding the government hostage it is the man who thinks he is king.

          Are you referring to Boehner or Cruz?

          • 🙂 Have you forgotten how Obamacare was passed. Oh and lets not forget about Wisconsin when the republicans actually had majority control of the state government. What was it that the dems. did to try and stop that vote-they ran away and hid. So please don’t expect me to actually care about their accusations of holding a gun to their heads. The republicans haven’t done anything illegal-going to conference with Dems, when they wanted them too because it gave the dems. the advantage after years of no budget talks at all-would have been stupid.

            • So you’re Ok when the GOP refuses to negotiate, but not when the Dems refuse to negotiate?

              And it would be stupid for Obama to negotiate with the Tea Party MINORITY that has taken control of the House GOP.
              You can’t negotiate with unreasonable people…

              The votes are there to pass a clean CR in the House, but Boehner won’t bring it up for a vote.

              • They didn’t refuse to negotiate-they refused to negotiate on the democrat time table AFTER what 3 or was it 4 years of the dems refusing to negotiate a budget. As far as the tea party-the dems. don’t get to pick who leads our party. I find it very hard to believe that you dems actually follow Obama, Pelosi, and Reid plus several more but hey you guys get to make those decisions and we get to make ours.

                But sure, I would have much rather this Congress had started out following the rules-they didn’t -complaining about delaying the negotiations until the other side has something to negotiate with after the dems record is hypocritical at the very least.

              • but hey you guys get to make those decisions and we get to make ours.

                And when your “decision” is to shut down the government and put the “full faith and credit” of the US at risk, you lose all credibility.

                But sure, I would have much rather this Congress had started out following the rules-they didn’t -complaining about delaying the negotiations until the other side has something to negotiate with after the dems record is hypocritical at the very least.

                This is pure bull. The negotiations were ongoing. It was the House GOP, being pushed by Ted Cruz, that added the defunding of ObamaCare to the continuing resolution on Sept 20. You would scream bloody-murder if Obama tried to add something like that at the last minute.

                You asked a question and I answered, but you don’t like the answer. The GOP created this crisis and now they’re stuck with it. You don’t like that, so you want to blame Obama for it. Typical SUFA “argument” – everything is Obama’s fault.

                This reminds me why I don’t post here very much. It just devolves into petty bickering.

              • I don’t believe I’m bickering Todd-stating my opinion-my disagreeing with you, seems to have caused you to start bickering and to actually insult me and the entire site. Sorry you are frustrated by my opinions. And I have no idea where this “you just don’t like my answer” crap came from? I disagree with your answer-I’ve stated why -somehow that offends you. 😦

              • gmanfortruth says:

                . Typical SUFA “argument” – everything is Obama’s fault.

                OH MY! You mean it’s not Bush’s fault anymore? BWAHAHA!

                Thanks Todd, I needed a good laugh on a rainy morning. 🙂

  34. http://therightscoop.com/full-interview-ted-cruz-on-cnn-state-of-the-union-with-candy-crowley/

    i would really like to hear someone ask the President and the democrats what THEIR end game is-They were obviously willing to let the government shut down, while shouting we will not negotiate. So hey, Mr. President-what is you’re end game plan, if the republicans decide to stand firm and not just capitulate to you’re rule? Are YOU willing to let the Country default?

  35. Just lost one of those unique WW 2 guys here in North Jersey. They will be burying him by me this week. I wonder if the Government shut down will result in no honors being paid?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/06/nicholas-oresko-dies-medal-of-honor-wwii-veteran_n_4053498.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK

  36. Homeowners Forced out of Private Homes Due to Shutdown
    Christine Rousselle | Oct 06, 2013
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    First, the National Park Service “closed” the open-air WWII Memorial.

    Next, they attempted to block people from even looking at Mount Rushmore.

    Now, park rangers are forcing private citizens out of privately owned homes due to the government shutdown. They have even barricaded the road, ensuring that they will not be allowed to return to their homes.

    From KTNV News:

    Joyce Spencer is 77-years-old and her husband Ralph is 80. They’ve been spending most of their time in the family ice cream store since going home isn’t an option.

    The Spencers never expected to be forced out of their Lake Mead home, which they’ve owned since the 70s, but on Thursday, a park ranger said they had 24 hours to get out.

    “I had to go to town today and buy Ralph undershirts and jeans because I forgot his pants,” Joyce Spencer told Action News.

    The Stewart’s Point home sits on federal land, so even though the Spencers own their cabin outright, they’re not allowed in until the government reopens.

    There have been 17 shutdowns since the mid 1970s. Considering Joyce Spencer’s surprise at being forced out of her home, it is a safe assumption that this has never happened before. Forcing the Spencers to leave their private home this time around is just absolutely ridiculous.

    I wish I could say I was surprised, but given the track record of this administration, nothing is really a shock anymore.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2013/10/06/homeowners-forced-out-of-private-homes-due-to-shutdown-n1718163

  37. For all of you who think Obama and the Democrats should sit down and negotiate with the House GOP over a CR or on raising the debt ceiling, they have been trying for the past 6 months.

    For Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), chair of the Senate Budget Committee, the move is ironic. She has been trying for more than a half-year to go to a conference to work out dramatic differences between the Senate budget and the House version. Senate and House Republicans have objected, 18 times.

    And during this time, Democrats have been negotiating. The continuing resolution that the White House and congressional Democrats have agreed to funds the government at sequestration levels. And even some members of Cantor’s own caucus admit that they got the good end of that deal.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has lately been making the point that the short-term spending bill that the House now refuses to give a vote was the result of a compromise cut with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). The basic deal was that Democrats would accept the GOP’s sequester-level spending levels to buy time to fund the rest of the year.

    The House GOP added the defunding of ObamaCare to the continuing resolution on Sept 20. They already got the funding level they wanted, so they decided to “pile on” and try to pressure Obama to defund ObamaCare. I guess they thought “the 42nd time is the charm”…

    So, if you really want Obama to negotiate, I think this should be his starting position:

    * A Continuing Resolution at pre-sequestration levels
    * It must contain an assault weapons ban
    * Debt Ceiling raised for 1 year

    Ready – Set – Go (nuts)!

    • There is only one thing to say to this, baloney!

      Things have been coming to this point for the past 40 years which has been obvious to anyone paying attention and who actually has an attention span and a sense of history.

      I now add to my unanswerable question to radicals disguised as liberals (where exactly do YOU think the money is coming from?) a second unanswerable question. When exactly is it that you reach the point where you cannot compromise any longer without surrendering?

      Enough is enough already.

      In case it is too difficult to visualize the concept of compromise=surrender, I throw out Czechoslovakia as history. Just one final compromise made the Second World War inevitable. Don’t dismiss the war analogy, there is that quote about war being politics by another name. There is Civil War underway in this country about where we will be in another 10 or 20 years, still a republican democracy or some proto-fascist semi-dictatorship passing itself off as a “democracy” just as the “peoples democratic republics” do. The Reids and Pelosis keep telling you nothing has changed, nothing has changed. and the fools just keep making excuses to themselves and are ultimately as deluded as the folks on the Titanic who, till the least moment, found it impossible that the ship would sink. I could throw in as a bigger analogy the Jews who until the gas was released in the showers found it impossible that a “civilized” modern country could do to them what it was doing.

  38. What a pile of crap. Reid has run roughshod over the Senate for the last 5 years. He limits amendments to bills that only he approves, he allows votes on bills that only he approves. How many democrats would vote to delay ObamaCare? We do not know because Reid will not allow the vote. So the House is using what little leverage it has to force the issue. Boohoo.

    We have had a runaway spending problem in DC for the last 12 years. It has accelerated for six of the last 7 years, ever since the democrats took control of Congress. That is until the last budget/debt ceiling “artificial crisis” forced sequestration on us.

    As for the Tea Party, I am tired of the left and the MSM constantly maligning them. They represent a far bigger fraction of this country than you realize. They are not wild eyed idiots or racists. They are average people who are tired of wasteful, over-reaching, over-taxing, over-spending government.

    I am tired of Obama using government as his own fiefdom, of using the DoJ, IRS, EPA, and now Interior for his own personal political ends. I am tired of him ruling by dictate. Surely, Todd, you do not support his use of Interior to close the monuments, parks, Mt. Vernon, private hotels, private homes, money making air shows, NFL games for the troops…. But of course we can’t close Camp David or the golf course at Andrews AFB.

    If the House gives up whatever leverage they have, just when will we get a real discussion on entitlements, on deficit reduction, on the EPA attack on coal and global warming efforts, a full accounting of Benghazi, a full accounting of the IRS scandal, and an honest review of ObamaCare? Where is the laser that Obama promised to take to the federal budget? Unfortunately these debates have not and probably will not happen due the demagoguery, mean spiritedness, name calling, and just plain intransigence that comes from the left and the MSM.

    As for ObamaCare, it needs to be scrapped. It does not address costs but makes them worse. We are already seeing the costs in jobs, work hours, and dropped medical plans. We are adding thousands of bureaucrats to the system that add no value but do add costs. Government now has not only our financial records but all of our medical records as well. Do you really trust this will end well? Not only that, ObamaCare is unconstitutional despite the SCOTUS ruling. If it is a penalty, then it is for lack of commercial activity that occurs intrastate, hence is not covered by the interstate commerce clause. A penalty requires due process be followed which will not happen. If it is a tax, it is one that is not uniformly accessed upon the states, it is not an excise tax (must have commercial activity), nor is it an income tax; hence it is illegal. Since it did not originate in the House as all tax measures must, it again is an illegal tax.

    Todd, I agree, we need to sweep the democrats out of office at the next election and make the Tea Party the majority. It is time to put some brakes on this runaway, intrusive, tyrannical government.

    • “Todd, I agree, we need to sweep the democrats out of office at the next election and make the Tea Party the majority. It is time to put some brakes on this runaway, intrusive, tyrannical government.”

      And just accept being surfs to the 1% … because that would be oh, so much better.

      You guys kill me.

  39. The Budget and Debt-Limit Endgames
    By Mike Razar

    There is nothing so insidious as a lie which persists without rebuttal long enough to be accepted as true (with all due apologies to ideas whose time has come). The current budget and debt crises in Washington provide plenty of examples. The lies have all originated among the Democrats and their sycophants in the media.

    Begin with the most obvious. For weeks and continuing now, the suspension of a few government functions has been described as a wanton act of “shutting down the government. ” In fact, hardly anything is shut down. The main examples are the temporary closings of national parks, museums, and monuments. As we move deeper into the lack of appropriations, certain more serious outlays turn out to be threatened. The most serious so far has to do with a clinical trial involving childhood cancer victims.

    Stupid Lie 1: Pro-choice Harry Reid claims that Republicans don’t care about dying children.

    Obvious Truth 1: Nobody wants children to die outside the womb. In a “clean vote. ” there is unanimous support for research on childhood cancer.

    Poor Harry Reid! Trying to engage in a game of “gotcha,” his own words betrayed him. His attempt to paint Republicans who won’t vote his way as not caring about sick children backfired. He sounded as if he was the one who doesn’t care. Now I think we can all stipulate that nobody in Congress opposes the spending on research into cancer. They all love the children. It was stupid and clumsy of Reid to suggest otherwise. To be effective, a lie has to have some bit of plausibility. Harry Reid is a terrible person, a totally unprincipled politician. But the goal is to improve the political process, not to win a street fight with Harry.

    Big Lie 1: The Democrat point of view is that whenever a continuing resolution comes up for a vote, every member of Congress is morally obligated to support it with a “clean” vote, free of any amendments.

    Big Truth 1: Continuing resolutions are the source of the problem. Appropriations are supposed to be examined individually, not rubber-stamped as part of a single “must pass” bill.

    Republican members of Congress seem to have stumbled into a winning strategy. This more serious strategy is for the House of Representatives to keep passing small appropriation bills to re-open parks, monuments, etc. and to fund the NIH and other popular programs. Pretty much any appropriation outside of Obamacare and salaries for senior officials, elected or not, is a good candidate for such a bill. No doubt the Reid Senate will reject most of these but that will put the Democrats squarely on record voting against the funding of things the public likes. They will defend these votes as merely being against “piecemeal appropriations. ” Here is where the Republicans can answer with a sharp attack on the very concept of continuing resolutions.

    These continuing resolutions only come about because Reid refused to pass a budget for four years and passed a ridiculous budget this year. Appropriations are supposed to be voted on piecemeal so that current members can decide if old laws still deserve to be funded. This is a feature of the Constitution, not a bug! It is an essential part of checks and balances. Repeated use of these continuing resolutions delays the housecleaning function and trash builds up. This is not a subtle argument. The Public can grasp it easily. What Reid and his henchmen are whining about is actually an attempt by Republicans to restore regular order to the appropriations process. The truth is and the talking point should be that Obama and Reid are the ones holding the government hostage to a bill with thousands of appropriations and not a single one they are even willing to discuss.

    Big Lie 2: Obamacare is the law of the land, having been passed, declared constitutional, and survived a presidential election. Any attempt to change it by not appropriating current funding is an attack on democracy itself.

    Big Truth 2: Really, this is just a special case of Big Lie 1, albeit a huge one. No law is or should ever be immune from being revisited during the appropriations process. Obamacare may have survived a presidential election but not 435 Congressional elections. Democrats love to cherry pick their facts.

    As pointed out in the previous paragraphs, each Congress is obligated to re-examine major appropriations to see if they continue to make sense. The truth is that funding for Obamacare would not survive the constitutionally correct process of a clean up or down vote. How nice it is for the Democrats to choose the content of the bills they consider essential to pass by including every appropriation in a single bill. That is the true attack on democracy.

    Let us review what has transpired so far. Senator Cruz and the House Republican caucus began by trying to defund Obamacare by removing it from the continuing resolution. Senate Democrats refused to accept that. But they did accept a stand-alone appropriation to pay military salaries. That set the precedent. I sure didn’t see it coming, but once I saw it happen, all the rest became clear as far as appropriations go. I would pay for a front row seat at an Obama speech defending his veto of the NIH funding for childhood cancer research.

    It would be a tremendous victory if the end result of the budget fight were an end to governing by continuing resolutions. The important point to make over and over is that a “clean” continuing resolution is not good government. It is a total abdication of the duty of Congress to oversee federal spending and only to fund vetted and approved activities. Previously passed “laws of the land” must be reviewed regularly before continuing to fund them. That means reviewing Obamacare spending too. That turns the table on the Democrats while setting the stage for a full frontal attack on funding for Obamacare next year without the threat of a partial shutdown of the rest of the government.

    With this victory under their belts, the Republicans could go for another one on the debt limit. If the White House and Treasury Departments were occupied by honorable men or women, there would never be a risk of default caused by not increasing the debt limit.

    Big Lie 3: Not raising the debt limit causes a default on the debt, threatening catastrophe.

    Big Truth 3: This lie is so big, so monstrous, and so often repeated, that it calls into question either the mental ability or (more likely) the integrity of everyone who repeats it. Sadly, even many conservative pundits seem to think that failure to raise the debt limit is tantamount to default. Even Fox news reporters carelessly conflate raising the debt limit and not defaulting. Somebody should point that out to them. They ignore ordinary folks, so maybe some celebrity reader of AT could do it. The truth is that default can only occur if the President orders the Secretary of the Treasury to refuse to make interest and principal payments from current revenue.

    Of course an actual default would be a disaster. However, there is enough money received by the government every month to cover current interest payments five to ten times over. This is a well-known fact and has been cited by numerous authorities. Any maturing debt can be re-issued without piercing the current limit. There is a slight cash-flow management issue in the form of possible day or two delays between interest payments due and revenue received by the Treasury. That should be dealt with by having the Treasury Department (by law) set aside a small cash reserve in advance to cover a month or two of interest payments. Just about every private business in the world does that, if it can.

    Earlier this year, the House Republicans tried to codify this procedure by passing a bill (HR 807), “The Full Faith and Credit Act” that was dismissed as a “Pay China First” policy by the Democrats in Congress. It was unanimously rejected by the Senate Democrats. One could hardly construct a more brazen hypocrisy. On the one hand, Democrats scream about the horrors of default. The President himself says that a default could bring down the world economy. Yet apparently, if funds were not available to spend on approved items, the first thing to skip would be interest payments to China. I guess that isn’t what the President means when he speaks of default.

    This suggests an endgame for the debt limit “crisis. ” Attach HR 807 or something similar to a bill to increase the debt limit. If the Senate or the President rejects this, it will be clear to one and all which party is using the threat of default as an irresponsible political weapon. Granted, this doesn’t get much for the Republican agenda right away. But with HR807 in place, the default card would be gone forever. That would be a spectacular victory for Republicans and the American people. The talking point is that nobody should be allowed to threaten default on the debt again. My only question is why the Republicans have been so quiet about HR807.

    These two great achievements on spending and the debt should pave the way for a sweeping electoral victory in 2014. Will Republicans even try these strategies? It is not very likely. They are so beaten down by the mainstream media that I doubt they are even aware of the powerful cards they hold

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/the_budget_and_debt-limit_endgames.html#ixzz2h0wQiACb
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  40. Thought that I would let all of you know…..2400 vets on way to National Monuments located in the Dakota’s, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona. We will have the road blocks removed by the end of the week.

  41. Also, why are all of you getting all upset at this government shut down business? This squabbling in Congress happens no matter who is in power. The Dems fought Reagan and Bush constantly. The Repubs will fight all Dems. Neither party has the people in mind in all of this. This government has been shut down numerous times and for the better. At least they are not spending as much money.

    There have been no budgets since Obama took office. Even on SUFA….I get tickled at the quotes that every one throws out. I even made that mistake a couple of times when quoting sources which I will not do any longer. If anyone uses Wiki, politifact, CNN, FOX, Huffpo, etc……you are using quotes from biased sources…and to claim that these sources are UNBIASED….well, I am sure there is some swamp land in Florida that is for sale….or perhaps the Brooklyn Bridge.

    There is one thing that is unprecedented in my life time. I have never seen such a disregard for the Constitution, the flagrant violation on ethics and morals in Washington….and that includes the Nixon and Carter regimes….. Obama has been more in the pockets of big business and insurance companies than even Bush was……just look at the exemptions and waivers that have been issued as proof. It is all about money and power. Any liberal who thinks that the current progressive movement is a truly Democratic liberal movement is living in a dream world.

    The Tea Party needs to learn a lesson from the progressive movement. This so called progressive movement hijacked the Democratic Liberal Party way back….but they did it quietly. It took years and they started at the lowest levels of government to do it. If anyone tries to say that the Progressive movement is the liberal Democratic party has no roots in history.. The reason that the Tea Party is getting hammered is because the Progressive movement sees and understands what momentum is……that is how they got into power.

    The Vets….well, we have decided to do what we can. We are energized…and wait another 6 or 7 months. All the veteran groups in all the States, except New York, California, and Oregon, are joining our cause and what is our cause? We are not going to burn buildings, or cut up our ID’s, or march on Washington…we are not going to capture state buildings or turn over police cars or trash public parks or riot…we will leave all of that to the Progressives as they commonly do.

    We will simply go to the National Monuments, the National Cemeteries…all of the public areas that have been closed down…and simply reopen them. We will do it quietly and without fanfare. If the police get in our way….which they have not as yet….we will walk around them and do it anyway. We will not arm ourselves in open revolt or insurrection or anarchy. If the police pull weapons on unarmed vets…we will simply keep walking and defy the police to shoot. They have not as yet. We have all faced weapons of all descriptions before and it does not scare us. We cannot change the mentality of government…but we can get the grass roots started…..and we are starting small…..but we will get bigger.

    Any Progressive minded person that dislikes this and starts yelling anarchy or law breakers or the like……well, they are just scared.

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