Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving to one and all here at SUFA, including those who just read along.  Despite all the negative issues going on all around us, we all have many wonderful things to be thankful for.  Enjoy the Holiday my friends!  🙂


  1. gmanfortruth says:

    PEACE 🙂

    • Judy Sabatini says:

      You have a wonderful Thanksgiving too. Hope you get a break from your bad weather as well.

  2. gmanfortruth says:
  3. Sarah Palin Was Right: Obamacare Includes Provisions For “Death Panels” November 26, 2013 0 sarah-palin9371 By KRISTIN TATE

    It was recently revealed that “death panels” are included in Obamacare. Death panels decide which ill patients receive healthcare and which don’t. Mark Halperin, senior political analyst for Time magazine, said, “It’s built into the plan. It’s not like a guess or like a judgment. That’s going to be part of how costs are controlled.

    We do need to do some of that in this country, because we can’t afford to spend so much on end-of-life care. A very high percentage of our healthcare spending is for a very small number of people at the last stages of their life.” Halperin pointed out that such death panels were barely reported on during Obama’s campaign. He said, “It’s clear that at the time of the passage of the Affordable Care Act and in the context of the presidential campaign, the press did nothing like an adequate job in fly-specking and scrutinizing the whole law.”

    Right — because the media was busy attacking Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin was the first to use the term “Death Panel,” back in August 2009. On Facebook, she wrote: [G]overnment health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

    Of course, the Left attacked Palin when she made this statement — “PolitiFact” even named her statement “Lie of the Year.” The former Alaska Governor was made a laughing stock of.

    But now, it is clear that she was right. Obama and his friends must have been too busy making fun of Palin to actually read the Affordable Care Act.

    Read more at: http://shark-tank.net/2013/11/26/sarah-palin-was-right-obamacare-includes-provisions-for-death-panels/ | The Shark Tank

  4. Happy Thanksgiving everyone 🙂

  5. gmanfortruth says:

    In 2012, Citizens United created a Tea-Party-friendly film called, Our Sacred Honor, which detailed the period from the signing of the Declaration of Independence to the framing of our current Constitution in 1787. While better than most, because of its emphasis on moral virtue, this film presented the views of several of today’s right-wing pundits as truth, including the flawed propaganda that the Articles of Confederation failed “to define the relationship between the ‘federal’ government and the States—[that there was] no Presidency, no Executive Branch, no Judicial Branch—a unicameral, (that is a one-house) Congress with each state represented equally, and very little power given to that central authority.” As many of us have heard throughout our lives, the Articles of Confederation were too weak a form of government, and a new Constitution was needed that would create a stronger government with more centralized power. The film does present the fact that there were opponents to the 1787 Constitution, but only mentions George Mason as being one of them. Patrick Henry was probably one of the best-known Anti-Federalists, and his cry for Virginians to come to the aid of Massachusetts in 1775 is said to have been the driving force that enabled Americans to unite and win our War for Independence. He was paraphrasing the book of Jeremiah when he said,

    “Gentlemen may cry, peace, peace—but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”

    So, just what is an Anti-Federalist, and what did they believe? Simply put, the Anti-Federalists were the “radicals” who wanted to be free of the tyranny of the British Empire, and fought for the right of each of their States to be Sovereign, Free, and Independent.

    Although their politics varied and they existed in every State, today they would be likened to what our own Department of Homeland Security calls, “right-wing extremists.” However, back then, they formed groups like the “Sons of Liberty” and the “Committees of Correspondence” to both stir up trouble and hold the politicians for each of their States accountable to call for an end of colonial subservience to a far-off King and Parliament, which neither represented nor respected them.

    federalists v antifederalists

    By contrast, it was the loyalists to the Crown who were considered “conservative.” The loyalist faction did not want to declare independence. In fact, they saw their colonial charters as binding them, as corporations were bound, by the whims of the British King.

    Once radicals like Samuel Adams got their way and the Declaration of Independence was signed, these same “conservatives” fought tooth and nail for reconciliation with Britain, and a speedy end to the war on unfavorable terms. After the war was over, they did not give up. Their faction, led by James Wilson in the Congress and Alexander Hamilton at the Constitutional Convention, pushed for an all-powerful central government and began laying the groundwork for monarchy to take root again in America. Disliking the fact that sovereignty remained with the States under the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, the “conservatives” began calling themselves “Federalists” and pushing for yet another Constitution.

    Contrary to what we have been told in school, the Articles of Confederation were the first and only American Constitution which adhered to the ideals of a federal republic.

    The draft of the Articles was begun in 1776, and though completed in 1778, disagreements over Western land claims (especially on the part of Maryland,) prevented the states from confederating until 1781. It should be noted that Virginia (not Delaware) was the first State to agree to form the Union, and Maryland (not Rhode Island) brought up the rear.

    We enjoyed seven years, and hence seven Presidents under the Articles of Confederation, as Presidents were merely to do that: preside over the deliberations of Congress. Unlike today, it was not a contest among celebrities—the President was chosen by the Congress from among their own members, and in the tradition of the Roman Republic, was required to relinquish power at the end of one year, being ineligible for re-election for three years thereafter.

    Many today excuse this away, insisting that a government cannot run successfully with a constant turnover of elected officials, but those same people ignore that Patrick Henry’s, Thomas Jefferson’s, or George Clinton’s 1-year terms as Governor of their states were also limited to one year, and their legacies are both great and limited in that capacity. Shorter terms of office and a guaranteed turnover ensures that a greater part of the People will participate in government, and that our elected servants will not become too comfortable in their offices and forget whom they serve. The founders knew that too much power in government was dangerous to liberty, and it is no less true today.

    All States had to ratify any changes to the Constitution unanimously as well, unlike today, where three-fourths of the States can bind the remainder. Nevertheless, thanks to Thomas Burke who went to Congress in 1777 and would later become Governor of North Carolina (again, a 1-year term,) the Articles of Confederation were made whole by the insertion of Article 2, which states unequivocally that “Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction, and right which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States in Congress assembled.”

    A watered-down version of this article would become the 10th Amendment to our current Constitution, but the version in the Articles of Confederation expresses the clear intent of the Declaration of Independence, which also states that “These United Colonies are of right and ought to be FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES…and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.”

    Think about those words for a moment. Federalists argued that those words meant the States were only free to do those things together as if they were a single entity. Anti-Federalists rightly dissented from this view, holding each state to be Sovereign on its own. If States were not sovereign, then they had no power to dissolve the Perpetual Union. If States are sovereign, what Luther Martin called “States AS States,” then they have the right to alter or abolish their chosen form of government at any time they choose, without having to get permission from on outside power.

    When you realize that each state signed the Declaration of Independence and Articles of Confederation separately, and that each State is noted in the Treaty of Paris which ended the War with Britain separately; it should be clear that each State was a sovereign government unto itself. All efforts to combine the States into a single, consolidated government were therefore acts of usurpation.

    Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/11/gentlemen-may-cry-comparing-federalists-anti-federalists/#ixzz2ltokQ3i8

    • Gman,
      Very interesting. Just a few thoughts…

      The Union under the Articles of Confederation lasted for 7 years. Even in a much simpler time 220 years ago, a weak federal government didn’t work. I’d equate the Union under the Articles of Confederation to the United Nations or the European Union. Both institutions with very limited power and very limited effectiveness. They rely on their member states generosity for funding and have no power to impose decisions on their members. That just doesn’t work.

      The states powers listed in the Articles of Confederation:

      they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.

      Can you imagine what the Union would be like today if the independent states had occasionally waged war with each other? We can look at many parts of the world for the results – the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and Europe. All their societies and economies have been decimated by the wars that have occurred, and the individual states “patriotism” have caused decades and even centuries of hate and distrust – and more wars.

      The same goes for the “establishment of Commerce.” Again, can you imagine what the Union would be like today if the independent states had occasionally waged tariff and other types of “commerce” wars with each other?

      One of the things that has made America great is the absence of these things. Sure, there’s still state patriotism, but it’s on a much lower level. When push comes to shove – the chant is “USA!! USA!!”.

      You guys don’t like it, but the strong federal government is what has made America great. It’s enabled a huge economy that is still the strongest in the world. It has enabled commerce to freely flow though the 50 states, without having tariffs at every border, 50 different currencies, and the bigger/stronger states telling the smaller states what to do (like Germany telling Greece how to run their affairs).

      I’ve said this several times here – you guys can piss-n-moan about the federal government all you want, about how terrible it is, and how much better we’d be without it. But you still can’t give one example of a country that has followed the course you desire and survived – much less thrived – like America.

      Those of us on the left have continually defended the federal government – warts and all – because it’s the best thing that has ever happened. You can list all kinds of examples of problems and mistakes, but those pale in comparison to the successes.

      There’s plenty of room for improvement, but 13 separate countries didn’t work 220 years ago. 50 separate countries today would be a disaster.

      Happy Thanksgiving!!

      • Not to dismiss your point, as I think size is relevant. …but I will argue that it is more about the nature of the premise in which a society is built upon.

        I.E. – Communist Russia, huge, centralized, …ultimately collapsed.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Happy Thanksgiving Todd, Why would you say that the 7 years under the AoC? Even back then, there were those who wanted a Central Govt and those who didn’t. It didn’t have anything to do with things working or not. The Constitution came about through negotiations, to which the Bill of Rights came about to counter the Central Govt folks. Even then, the Constitution created a central govt that was very limited. They weren’t all powerful over the people at that time (like today’s crooked bunch).

        Once the limited central govt gained in power, thats when the real problems began. The Civil War killed how many? I could go on and on, but you already know about all the wars the Central govt has gotten us into.

        But that’s all for another day. BL has a solid point. I’m not totally against a Federal govt, just one that has very specific duties. They are corrupt to the core and no longer represent the people. That needs fixed, for all of us.

        Have a great holiday 🙂

  6. You better be careful Gman. The NSA may be tracking your porn to harm your reputation!! 😉


  7. gmanfortruth says:

    Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to “recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:”

    Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been unable to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.

    And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.

    It is because of an Almighty God we are free.

    Happy Thanksgiving and God Bless America.

    George Washington (1789)


    Lions all the way… 😉

    • Gimmee a break! 👿

      I know you’re watching Kathy!


        • Ugh! U.G.L.Y. Major changes needed! There is more wrong than just Rodgers being hurt.

          Go Badgers!

          • Sorry Lions ate the Badgers. 🙂

            • WTH was that! PennState is terrible and we made them look like they are going to the Rose Bowl!

              UGH!!! I need to quit sports!

              Could be worse….could be from Bama…….!!!

              • 🙂

                Not allowed to quit. Suffer it out. Exciting weekend. Sparty takes 1st in the Legends! Michigan almost ruined it for OSU…Sparty to the rescue next weekend for the Big Ten title! And big props to Auburn! I have several Bama friends who are drowning their sorrows right this minute!

  9. And.. once again, I’m spending the day at work.


    And I will be late to Thanksgiving dinner.



    • Thank God it’s just talk. I doubt enough states would repeal the 22nd anyway. The only way Smokey Pants gets a third term would be through illegal means, which it what most of his presidency has been anyway, so don’t put it past him.

      • Trial balloon. Remember, this guy is Caesar, Augustus is out there waiting in the wings. When we “elect” him, the game will be up.

        • You guys are a bunch of paranoiacs, you know that, right?

          • So? Isn’t it better to err on the side of caution? History repeats itself, over and over 😉

            • Caution, yes. Paranoia, no.

              • Mathius, understanding humans and history is but time reading about history. It’s not paranoia, it’s staying ahead of the natural path that govt takes. History don’t lie and govts never survive their own corruption (but they all become corrupt at some point). When more people are getting govt aid than are working full time, only problems can be in our future.

                In 1998, some political person said most of our cities on the coast would be under water and all the ice caps would be melted bynow. Not one single thing on our planet has changed to prevent this, according to this clown. Your President, Smokey Pants, believes this crap. This will only lead to theft in some form or another from both of us. I don’t like thieves. Even the Polar bears are laughing at this crowd 😆

                Get my point?

          • Absolutely, pretty much what Cicero said too.

          • I fear that you are of the age group that unfortunately believes we have achieved the apex of our development, socially and politically and that we cannot backslide. As I never grow weary of telling people, the most sophisticated, progressive, forward looking country in the world went absolutely bird shit nuts for 12 years starting in 1933.

            Sinclair Lewis said it, not me, “It can happen here”.

            The basic human condition has not and will not ever change.

            • I fear that you are of the age group

              I am not a member of any “age group.” I am a 30 year old who belongs to the generation of 80-year olds. I grew up on black & white TV, 60’s music, 90’s cartoons, and 70’s-80’s books. Whatever it is that my “age group” may think, you can be pretty confident that I am not representative.

              that unfortunately believes we have achieved the apex of our development, socially and politically

              Not even close.

              and that we cannot backslide

              Of course we can. We did that whole 2001-2009 thing, remember?

              Backsliding happens. One step back, two steps forward. Ad nauseam.

              As I never grow weary of telling people, the most sophisticated, progressive, forward looking country in the world went absolutely bird shit nuts for 12 years starting in 1933.

              Germany was very progressive, until it stopped being progressive.

              Related: my current read is Winter of the World by the illustrious Ken Follett which is a fictionalized account of the historical events leading up to WWII (I’m only 1/3rd in – I assume it will actually get into the war and its aftermath, but that’s just speculation) (ie, fictional characters and fictional plots against the backdrop of real people and real major events). I cannot recommend it strongly enough, though if you’re going to read it, you should start with Fall of Giants which is the first in the series (of three) – it’s not necessary but I think adds a lot of flavor.

              Sinclair Lewis said it, not me, “It can happen here”.

              “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” – attributed to Sinclair Lewis, but he probably never actually said this.

              Still a true a salient statement, regardless.

              The basic human condition has not and will not ever change.

              True on a narrow timeline.

              But false on a big enough scale. We are growing and evolving. To assume we’ll be the same after another thousand or two years of modern civilization and Darwinian evolution is naive at best. Now, there’s no guarantee we won’t get worse, or that we’ll turn into Idiocracy, but “human” is not some static state extending to eternity.

              Modern society introduces evolutionary pressures which have never before existed in the history of mankind. It WILL change is. It has changed us and will continue to do so. I have hope that we can be better in the future. That we can outgrow our shortcomings.

              Maybe, someday, we will have matured into a species which does not repeat those past mistakes.

              • Just A Citizen says:


                I totally agree. Your contradictions have nothing to do with age.

              • Your contradictions have nothing to do with age.

                Thank you.

                Most people my age are stupid enough to believe the world is black and white and haven’t developed any sense of nuance.

              • Germany continued being Progressive, very progressive one might even say it helped Darwinism (as they understood it) along.

                “it can’t happen here” was a cautionary tale of Fascism. To me whether you are a National Socialist or a Communist Socialist matters very little. The end result is the same. The individual becomes completely subservient to the state and the state makes the rules. So, whether it is a Flag and Cross or an Obama poster and a condom the end result is the same.

                In the 6,000 years or so of recorded human history, we have not changed. We are still the same greedy SOB’s we always have been. Both Fascism and Communism have attempted to jump start a change and failed miserably. The American Revolution, on the other hand, succeeded in the sense that established, in law, not theory the rights of the individual. My previous paragraph explains that this “new beginning” is tenuous at best. Under the proper circumstances it can disappear as quickly as a puff of smoke. Darwinism or Natural selection, would argue I think for more of a descent into chaos.

  10. Funny thing I noted today. Mike Gallagher, a conservative talk show host in NY and around the nation spent Monday thru Wednesday knocking any retail workers who objected to “sale” days on Thanksgiving where they had to work.

    He did the usual blather about how it is retail, it is capitalism, it was a condition of employment and ended with something like, “Well, if they don’t want to work on Thanksgiving, they ought to find another job”.

    Noticed that yesterday, Thanksgiving, and today, the day after thanksgiving, Mike was replaced with “best of” Mike while he no doubt, enjoyed the holiday.

    As a conservative I despise with a capital D-E-S-P-I-S-E, hypocrisy. Hope the turkey gives him the runs. So much for family values.

  11. Someone has been digging through records and doing gematria searches.

    Whoever you are out there, …there are two ways to make it work, but neither of them really qualify, as they are not direct.

    The first means is to filter it through Hebrew, then back to the respective languages…THEN count it. (The Kuf is interchangeable.)

    The other means is to use a combination of Katan and Ordinal methods. You have to spell it out letter by letter(as opposed to a direct translation), and use a Caph instead of Kuf.

    See? That is the closest you will get to what you are looking for. …And it doesn’t really count.

    • Press “1” for English……

      • There are thousands of people who fit the profile of the Beast of Revelation. When considering an additional set of criteria virtually no one is aware of, it significantly narrows the list down to a few people. I am one.

        People are “catching on” and are entertaining the idea that I may actually be the real Antichrist. They’re digging, trying to figure out how my name equals 666. It doesn’t. The number of my name is not 666.

        That’s not even what the verse means anyway.

        The reality is that Revelation 13 has a different meaning than the popular interpretation. There is no such thing as “The Antichrist”. It’s just a bullshit myth based upon misinterpretation and fear. Half/most of that stuff has already happened.

        I don’t really care. I just want to find a way off of this shit hole. If I am to die soon, I at least wanna make a baby first.

        Any questions?

        • Dude! Snap out of it. You’re way overthinking it and making it too complicated. Stop and smell the roses a little. The Serenity Prayer has your name all over it. Jus sayin 😉

          • I wish it were that simple.

          • Roses are red and smell like shit,

            I’m cross with the people who say that I’m it.

            Lillis are yellow and stained with blood,

            They took a gift and drug it through mud.

            White Apple blossoms symbolize fertility,

            But shit smelling roses interfere with virility.

            Tulips mean resurrection, vigor, determination,

            All hell breaks loose with divine revelation.

            Amaryllis flowers mean creativity and success,

            They’re gonna find out, you don’t fuck with this.

              • You know BL you might be a little less depressed and angry if you’d stop listening to such bad music.

                Here listen to this:

              • Thanks V

                Indeed. She is a very talented woman. I consider her to be one of the greatest singers of all time.

                Did you know that she recorded “My Heart Will Go On” in ONE take? Amazing!

                I like her name too. “Celene”, …french, meaning “MOON GODDESS” …counter part to APOLLYON.


  12. Go Ohio State !!!!!

    • Got lucky today. Michigan shoulda ran in that 2 pt conversion. Good game though. Get ready Buckeyes..here comes Sparty!

  13. Just A Citizen says:

    Now that the Turkey should be digested it is time to do some hard thinking once again.

    And yes, my football predictions stick like a road kill skunk.

    From mises.org

    Revolutionary France’s Road to Hyperinflation

    Mises Daily: Monday, December 02, 2013 by Frank Hollenbeck

    Today, anyone who talks about hyperinflation is treated like the shepherd boy who cried wolf. When the wolf actually does show up, though, belated warnings will do little to keep the flock safe.

    The current Federal Reserve strategy is apparently to wait for significant price inflation to show up in the consumer price index before tapering. Yet history tells us that you treat inflation like a sunburn. You don’t wait for your skin to turn red to take action. You protect yourself before leaving home. Once inflation really picks up steam, it becomes almost impossible to control as the politics and economics of the situation combine to make the urge to print irresistible.

    The hyperinflation of 1790s France illustrates one way in which inflationary monetary policy becomes unmanageable in an environment of economic stagnation and debt, and in the face of special interests who benefit from, and demand, easy money.

    In 1789, France found itself in a situation of heavy debt and serious deficits. At the time, France had the strongest and shrewdest financial minds of the time. They were keenly aware of the risks of printing fiat currency since they had experienced just decades earlier the disastrous Mississippi Bubble under the guidance of John Law.

    France had learned how easy it is to issue paper money and nearly impossible to keep it in check. Thus, the debate over the first issuance of the paper money, known as assignats, in April 1790 was heated, and only passed because the new currency (paying 3 percent interest to the holder) was collateralized by the land stolen from the church and fugitive aristocracy. This land constituted almost a third of France and was located in the best places.

    Once the assignats were issued, business activity picked up, but within five months the French government was again in financial trouble. The first issuance was considered a rousing success, just like the first issuance of paper money under John Law. However, the debate over the second issuance during the month of September 1790 was even more chaotic since many remembered the slippery slope to hyperinflation. Additional constraints were added to satisfy the naysayers. For example, once land was purchased by French citizens, the payment in currency was to be destroyed to take the new paper currency out of circulation.

    The second issuance caused an even greater depreciation of the currency but new complaints arose that not enough money was circulating to conduct transactions. Also, the overflowing government coffers resulting from all this new paper money led to demands for a slew of new government programs, wise or foolish, for the “good of the people.” The promise to take paper money out of circulation was quickly abandoned, and different districts in France independently started to issue their own assignats.

    Prices started to rise and cries for more circulating medium became deafening. Although the first two issuances almost failed, additional issuances became easier and easier.

    Many Frenchman soon became eternal optimists claiming that inflation was prosperity, like the drunk forgetting the inevitable hangover. Although every new issuance initially boosted economic activity, the improved business conditions became shorter and shorter after each new issuance. Commercial activity soon became spasmodic: one manufacturer after another closed shop. Money was losing its store-of-value function, making business decisions extremely difficult in an environment of uncertainty. Foreigners were blamed and heavy taxes were levied against foreign goods. The great manufacturing centers of Normandy closed down and the rest of France speedily followed, throwing vast numbers of workers into bread lines. The collapse of manufacturing and commerce was quick, and occurred only a few months after the second issuance of assignats and followed the same path as Austria, Russia, America, and all other countries that had previously tried to gain prosperity on a mountain of paper.

    Social norms also changed dramatically with the French turning to speculation and gambling. Vast fortunes were built speculating and gambling on borrowed money. A vast debtor class emerged located mostly in the largest cities.

    To purchase government land, only a small down payment was necessary with the rest to be paid in fixed installments. These debtors quickly saw the benefit of a depreciating currency. Inflation erodes the real value of any fixed payment. Why work for a living and take the risk of building a business when speculating on stocks or land can bring wealth instantaneously and with almost no effort? This growing segment of nouveau riche quickly used its newfound wealth to gain political power to ensure that the printing presses never stopped. They soon took control and corruption became rampant.

    Of course, blame for the ensuing inflation was assigned to everything but the real cause. Shopkeepers and merchants were blamed for higher prices. In 1793, 200 stores in Paris were looted and one French politician proclaimed “shopkeepers were only giving back to the people what they had hitherto robbed them of.” Price controls (the “law of the maximum”) were ultimately imposed, and shortages soon abounded everywhere. Ration tickets were issued on necessities such as bread, sugar, soap, wood, or coal. Shopkeepers risked their heads if they hinted at a price higher than the official price. The daily ledger of those executed with the guillotine included many small business owners who violated the law of the maximum. To detect goods concealed by farmers and shopkeepers, a spy system was established with the informant receiving 1/3 of the goods recovered. A farmer could see his crop seized if he did not bring it to market, and was lucky to escape with his life.

    Everything was enormously inflated in price except the wages for labor. As manufacturers closed, wages collapsed. Those who did not have the means, foresight, or skill to transfer their worthless paper into real assets were driven into poverty. By 1797, most of the currency was in the hands of the working class and the poor. The entire episode was a massive transfer of real wealth from the poor to the rich, similar to what we are experiencing in Western societies today.

    The French government tried to issue a new currency called the mandat, but by May 1797 both currencies were virtually worthless. Once the dike was broken, the money poured through and the currency was swollen beyond control. As Voltaire once said, “Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value — zero.” In France, it took nearly 40 years to bring capital, industry, commerce, and credit back up to the level attained in 1789.

    Editor’s Note: For more on hyperinflation in France, see Andrew Dickson White’s Fiat Money Inflation in France, available in the Mises Store in paperback and ebook.

  14. It’s been mentioned on this blog previously of Kirsten Power’s transformation from atheist to Christianity. Here is a good interview with here. She mentions being in a bubble – talk about an understatement! Also, people have said Katrina happened because of lesbians…What???? LOL!


    • I like her. …Right on Kirsten Powers!

      She is finding her god and answers, growing as an individual, and breaking the mold. She serves as a lesson to everyone about how we view and/or manage beliefs/idealism. She’s being open and forthright and getting a conversation started, provoking thought and understanding.

      There is an apparent conflict between liberal ideology and evangelical/fundamental Christian values… but only because society creates it by mixing law/force with values and religion, trying to file everything into categories, creating division, nurturing conflict.

      Why can’t we just live according to our individual beliefs/values and do our best to get along, to show a little love and respect, instead of trying to force it? Why must there be the inherent expectations of a competitive norm of falling into this or that category/cult?

      Ms. Powers is a good example of the right way.

      Just to share…

      I mingle with people of different beliefs. I have been reading conversations between Satanists for a while. And I find it rather interesting how the Satanists ‘pray’ for the welfare of their families and try to live according to their values and what is right, …like taking an interest in things like animal rights…

      …which is the same kind of things that Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians, Christians Muslims, Pagans, and Jews do.

      What’s it really about?

      And the whole time, the Satanists are bashing Jews and crying ‘save the pigs’, Muslims are Bashing Christians and Jews, Christians are bashing anything that isn’t Christian EXCEPT Jews, Pagans are relatively quiet, and Jews are feeling pity for Christians while bashing Muslims.

      Monkeys throwing poop.

      Ms. Powers isn’t throwing poop. I think she gets it.

      • Well, she threw a little poop but mostly she wasn’t asked any difficult questions -don’t misunderstand me-I like her and I think her talking about this is wonderful-as far as whether or not she gets it-she’s a democrat so she isn’t so much into live and let live when it comes to policy. But then most people aren’t-not to the level you speak of anyway.

        • I just like her intent of an honest open approach, and without all the competitive bashing.

          ” she’s a democrat so she isn’t so much into live and let live when it comes to policy.”

          ..and ‘conservative’ Republicans are different?

          What are your favorite things about the patriot act and the department of homeland security and TSA? What is the best way to dig into children’s underwear at the airport? Which bill do you like more, the ‘patriot’ act or Obama-care? Which method of eavesdropping do you prefer your government to ‘protect’ you with?

          Policy that is predicated upon coercion, at it’s core, isn’t so much about live and let live, regardless of the parameters of the circumstances of said coercion. Government grows and creates an eventual police state.

          Liberal political ideology conflicts with politically conservative Christian values only because society mixes religious values with party politics.

          Take Christian out of the definition of Conservative political idealism and it no longer conflicts with Liberal political idealism. You don’t need force or a political party to be a Christian, or Jew, or Pagan, or whatever.

          Another issue is that Christian values are in conflict with ‘conservative Repubicratic’ politics as well. How many conservative Christians supported countless tons of ordinance to be dropped on innocent civilians in the last several decades?

          WWJD? …eagerly support dropping napalm and depleted uranium on children?

          It’s a mess.

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    Some time back I mentioned that Christian Churches, especially the Catholic variety, had made a hard turn to the left. That is a hard turn towards socialist statism. Ironic given the Catholic reaction to mandated contraception. You know that old adage about sleeping with snakes?

    Anyway, here is an article that explores this in more depth.


    • Haven’t read it (the link) yet but this is a result of all the crap coming out of Vatican II in the’60’s. There was a major change in the church at the time. The “revolutionists” and preachers of liberation theology took over. The anything goes attitude I feel in no small part contributed to the child abuse scandals.

      Anybody interested in the issue of the changing church should do a wee bit of research into the Maryknoll religious order. In the ’40’s and ’50’s they were the most staunch of anti-communists with many of their number being imprisoned and murdered by the Chicoms. By the late ’60’s the order had devolved into apologists for the likes of Che. That’s about when I took them off my contribution list.

      When Reagan was elected, he received some unusual advice from Richard Nixon. The gist of it was to get rid of the middle managers as well as Department heads. Nixon felt that the middle managers who survive through administrations completely sabotaged him. I would postulate tat the same happened to the Church. While John Paul II was able, through his Political machinations to lay the groundwork for the collapse of Communism. The Church itself, bumbled along with the same middle managers in charge, waiting for their opportunity. They now have it.

      Franciscans, if you know anything about the order, are generally as muddle headed as their founder. They believe the best about everyone. They are the yin to the Jesuits yang. The history of St. Francis of Assisi and his dealings with Saladin’s nephew are instructive. While wishful thinkers paint a picture of peace, the reality was closer to the Muslims tolerating a guy who talked to birds.

    • I found his argument that if the church really teaches the lessons taught in the Bible about the importance of the individual and free will-the church should never support socialism or a theocracy either.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        You found his argument……….what?

        • didn’t make that very clear did I 🙂 I think he used the correct arguments to support his claims. Many lessons to learn from the Bible-but the core value of loving the Lord and loving your neighbor as yourself are built upon individual man’s ability to decide for himself.

  16. Government institutions shouldn’t be asking questions like these-they have no right to this information based on an identified persons opinions, and it is really sad that our government has gotten so out of control that the people are actually scared to answer them and are forced to tell the government what they should already know. Beyond that-look at the questions themselves who came up with these questions?


    • Sure as hell is gonna be fun. The young folks who have arrived in the past 20 years bemoan the fact that the city is not as “edgy” as it once was. Unfortunately they have a very naive definition of “edgy”. These people and the folks like Bertha Lewis and “ACORN” are really going to shake things up. When my friend the NYPD narcotics Detective retired a few years back, he said picking up the pieces the next time would be someone else’s problem. Unfortunately, I agree.

      Remind me some day to tell you some personal anecdotes about ACORN and Bertha Lewis whom I had the misfortune to deal with on several occasions.

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