Decisions, Decisions

IMG_0005Before you know it, it will be 2014.  Winter conditions abound in much of the US right now.  Christmas 2013 is a wonderful memory and the New Years celebration is right around the corner. These are peaceful times, if your not caught up in the daily inner city violence.  As the realities of the world start to return to our thoughts, most people have, over time, ignored important information about where this country may be heading.  This information has been widely spoken of, mostly to be blown off as conspiracy theory.  The problem is, it’s not conspiracy theory.  The only conspiracy theory is the one plated in your minds by those who don’t want you to know the truth.  “Normalcy Bias” also plays a role, as people refuse to accept that these things are actually occurring, right under their noses and in plain view.  So, let’s have some fun and play “Decisions, Decisions” !

Let’s begin with one thing that has grown and grown over the last several years, government assistance.  Whether it’s just for food, or just about everything, the numbers have grown to a point that, in many states, the number of people on assistance is now above the number of people working full time jobs.  As most of you know, this is completely unsustainable.  There are several factors that can come into play that makes this a very serious and dangerous issue.  First, government debt.  Second, the declining value of the dollar and Third, it’s all controlled by one mega-bank on one mega computer system.  So, go in reverse,  a computer hack job knocks out the whole system for 10 days or more, just before the end of the month.  The Beta test has already occurred, carnage would be almost immediate.  How would that affect you?  What would you do to protect your family?

The dollar is slowly buying less and less, we all know that.  When does it lead to a point when those getting the aid begin demanding even more aid?  This is the inevitable path of fiat money, so at some point, this is very likely to occur, unless another disaster hits before hand.  Lastly, Government debt.  When will it become a reality that government promises are failing to pay vendors for the goods purchased.  When the payments end, or the trust ends, either/or, vendors stop taking government issued cards for purchases.    One subject, three possibilities.  If any of this happens, what will you do?  Decisions, decisions.

Let’s now look at the Department of Homeland Security and their growth and actions.  This is a relatively new agency, less than 15 years old.  It has grown to over a quarter million people strong, with a lot of government clout.  Their power is being ignored by most, but that’s for another day.  What have they done in the last few years?  They have purchased 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition, enough to fight the busiest year of the Iraq war for 30 consecutive years.  They have prepositioned all of their ammo throughout America at different secure government facilities.  They have purchase over 3300 MRAP heavily armored vehicles, they too, placed throughout the country at different secure locations.  They have purchased some 7000 automatic rifles, ready for war.  These too are all over the country.   What exactly is the DHS getting ready to fight?  Are we on the verge of Obama’s dream of a security force as big and well equipped as the military right here in the States?  Why do we even need such a thing? Who are these weapons going to be used against, a foreign invader?  Alien invasion?  Maybe US?

Are they prepping for the first subject discussed?  Nobody is asking these questions loud enough, and no one will.  What are you gonna do when they announce that you must turn in your guns or face prison time?  What are you going to do when they announce your location is to be evacuated and you must report to government run facility Bravo in such and such City?  What are you going to do when they want to tear your family apart and send the men one way, the women another, and the children in yet another direction?   Look at history folks, it has happened.  Decisions, decisions.

Your watching TV one day and an announcement is made.  “Under the National Defense Authorization Act of 2014, the following people are ordered to report to the nearest police facility”,  Then you sit there and hope your name isn’t one of them.  Want to really be scared, Obama said he would never use that under his Presidency.  Remember that?  Doesn’t that scare the shit out of you now?  It should, because he has already used the IRS to silence people.   Are you going to the nearest jail when called?  Are you going to let a loved one go?  Decisions, decisions.

The CDC can order large swaths of America to be evacuated, then claim they are uninhabitable.  It’s that simple.  You get no time to pack, you can’t take more than you can fit in your vehicle, you just have to leave.  Dangerous food-borne illness?  Same thing, under the Food Safety and Modernization Act of 2010.  Except you don’t get your vehicle, because they can take that too under the law.   Feeling safe in your home now?  What are you gonna do when one of these days become a reality?   Decisions, decisions.

Fear not my friends, this is all conspiracy theory, at least until it becomes just a conspiracy.   What’s not conspiracy theory is all the high ranking military members who have been purged under Obama.  What is not conspiracy theory is that the DHS is now in charge of the National Guard’s actions when under US government control, that general got fired for refusing to give the DHS the plan, without orders from higher ups.  Now who really runs things?

When your freedom is truly threatened, what are you going to do?  Decisions, decisions!

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  1. 🙂

  2. I think you might need more sleep and less eggnog. Liked the photo.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I get plenty of sleep and don’t drink eggnog, LOL. If nothing in the article worries you, that’s fine Mikey, I’m not trying to make people see reality, just trying to put it in front of them enough to get them to think beyond the MSM propaganda machine. 🙂 PEACE and Happy New Year!

    • LMAO! If you only knew Mikey!………Stick around, we need some fresh air around here!

      Mornin G!

      • Mornin Anita 🙂 Thought I’d put out something different to talk about. It’s snowing, still. Monday the ground was bare, today about 5 inches and counting. Hope you had a great Christmas!

  3. Opinion on one point – “failing” dollar.

    Yes, it buys less every day. But to a point where no one accepts payment?
    Nah, not very likely.

    Look, the dollar has depreciated 96% since 1914. What a $1 bought back then now costs about $24 – yet, you still use and accept the dollar for payments.

    If, over the next 100 years, it goes down another 96% – what was bought in 1914 for $1 and $24 today now would cost $600 – do you think your great grandkids will not accept payment? You do now and so will they then. The tag merely will say “$600 for a steak dinner”

    Remember that prices also change over the same time.

    Money is just another economic good and obeys all the laws of economics like any other economic good. But we do not USE money like another economic good. Whereas you buy an apple to eat it (hence destroy the good by its use), the use of money is as a medium of exchange – its trade does NOT destroy the economic good we call money. Money is NOT used as an economic good but as a medium of exchange.

    So continued production of apples is equally met with a continued destruction of apple.
    Continued production of money is met with a continued increase in supply.

    Supply and Demand states more supply, lower price – hence a creeping steady devaluation of money.

    But it is still money. It is still used to exchange.

    The only risk is a sudden increase in the supply of money where the creep becomes a full sprint. If the inflation happens faster then the speed of spending, that’s when crisis occurs.

    It is unlikely that will happen – the FED is not that dumb.

    • Good Day BF, Isn’t there a huge supply of money out there that hasn’t hit the market yet? Or is it just computer digits and they don’t count? Thinking of the Fed and all the QE.

      • There is a huge supply of money that is not in active trade, known as “Excess Reserves” and the reason inflation is a creep, not a run.

        But that money is wholly and completely available to be used by the banks, yet, they do not lend it.
        Why? (and its not to hold back inflation – that’s the FED’s job, not your bank’s job).

        The “why” is because the economy is in the crapper.
        The banks do not trust the people to repay – and that won’t change for quite awhile yet.

        But when the banks begin trusting repayment again, that will mean the economy is steadied up and working, so where’s the problem?

        If, however, the FED FORCES banks to use the money …. hope you have gold.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          The banks are not just sitting on the money. They’re, to your point, also not loaning it out to the “hoi polloi”. They are gambling in wall street, loaning at zero or close to zero interest money to large investors in Wall Street who are buying stocks on margin, on more and more borrowed money that is NOT available to the regular folks,(referencing your comment above on not trusting repayment) They are all praying the stock bubble (fed and govnt induced) will not burst before they can get out after liquidating these fictional assets and purchasing hard assets like land etc. There is NO way the stock market is based on the reality of a sound economy.

  4. Next point, the fragility of the banking system.

    Again, incredibly unlikely.

    The banks are absolutely aware that the ability to transact is the fundamental keystone of the division of labor, and that the division of labor is the fundamental keystone of our economic system. The ability to accept transactions is your ability to buy the goods of your life.

    As more and more transactions are electronic, and electronic systems are capable of failure, a reasonable set of mitigation, such as a couple of months of cash-on-hand (and I mean IN YOUR HANDS, not in some bank account) is probably a good idea just in case YOUR bank suffers such a failure.

    But systemic failure? That is like saying every railway in America will fail on the same day.
    (Within the U.S. railroads carry 39.9% of freight by ton-mile, followed by trucks (33.4%), oil pipelines (14.3%), barges (12%) and air (0.3%)

    That is as much an economic catastrophe as a bank failure yet who claims that will occur?

    Take care of a localized disruption – sure ….. but preparing for a systemic one??? The cost would massively out way any benefit.

  5. Remember, preparing for calamity should follow this principle of order:

    1. Personal
    2. Local
    3. Regional
    4. National
    5. Global

    The cost of preparation is geometric over the previous at each level – it may costs 5x as much to prepare for a local calamity as a personal one, but 25x for a regional, 625x for a national and 40,000x for a global. (The actual numbers are made up simply to demonstrate the theory).

    Yet, the odds of the risk of such calamities is inverse, you are probably 40,000x more likely to suffer a personal calamity (like losing a job) then a global one (like global thermonuclear war). Further, how do you prepare for GT/War???

    Thus, there is a point where the value of preparation is simply not reasonable – probably beyond the regional level (such as an ice storm knocking out power to a few million people in the Northeast)

    Focus on the lower levels first, and if you have the capital provide for the next level.

    • Additionally, you have to evaluate the potential risks.

      Obviously, planning for ice storms in Vegas is not a good use of money, nor tornadoes in New York. But no matter where, losing your job is a firm reality.

      A reasonable “risk assessment” – on paper – needs to be done; and looking at the unseen and assumed, like power/water/food/money/location (ie: if I had to leave suddenly, where would I go?)

    • Prepping requires some common sense and good planning, as you state. I’m concerned with weather, first and foremost. That’s what I plan for as far as food/fuel etc. Supplies and such has it limitations, know them and adapt to them, like rotating food stocks. The garden helps with that. But the reality of some calamities, there is no preparation beyond mental preparation. That is often the most overlooked part of prepping. Being mentally prepared for whatever may come your way is as important, if not more important than buying emergency food and all the other preparations one may get into.

      That’s what I do try to convey to people as well, be mentally ready for the SHTF and you stand a good chance at thriving through it all. All the STUFF one collects while prepping means nothing if your mental capacity goes in the gutter. We can’t prep for everything, but we can be mentally strong to deal with whatever comes our way.

      In the meantime, I’m planning the next garden. I’m also buying two muzzleloaders and all the supplies that are needed in the next month or so. Going to extend my hunting options 🙂
      Can’t pass up the deal!

      It’s great to hear from you Flagster, I’m sure I can say that we all missed you 🙂

  6. ” …things are actually occurring, right under their noses and in plain view. ”

    I see though.

    It is All Them Witches directing their focus on addressing their furniture and flower arrangements, …or baby names. They decide three bowls on the one dresser with eight drawers.They choose Rose instead of Mary. They wonder about revealing their schedule. Or when to see Doctor Tannis.

  7. This Christmas story has been graciously contributed by Daisy Luther of The Organic Prepper.

    It has been only 7 months since the lights went out, but it feels like forever. Some people call it the Apocalypse and consider it the worst disaster that the modern world has known. At our house, we call it the Change, because my mother says that just because it is different, doesn’t mean that it’s the end of the world, and that words matter. Whatever you call it, though, the day the lights went out is the day that everything in our world became dramatically different.

    The days go on and on, blending into one another with the sameness of our tasks. I don’t go to school anymore because there was no school. My mother teaches me at night, when we leave the door to the wood stove open to preserve our precious candles, but still have light bright enough to read by.

    I never thought I would long for gym class or for the school cafeteria, but I do. I missed hanging out with the other kids, sitting around the table making fun of the food, and being in the classroom, learning about the things that I used to consider incredibly boring. If I had only known then what true boredom was I would have cherished the time to just be a kid. I would have delighted in every bite of food that I didn’t have to harvest myself.

    Instead of school, I work to keep us fed and warm. I work in the garden in warm weather. My mother walks with a cane, so it is my responsibility to be her legs. I walk in the woods near our house and look for anything that might be edible or useful. I collect branches and twigs in the cold weather. Staying warm and fed is the focus of our daylight hours, and those two tasks take up nearly every minute that the sun is up.

    We have heard from those passing through that the cities were death traps. People there quickly ran out of food and water, and had no way to get more. Violence erupted because people were scared and desperate, and there was no one left to quell it. All the police had gone home to take care of their own families. The people who left right away were the lucky ones. Those left behind were constantly at the mercy of thieves and worse. I’m not exactly sure what “worse” is but when the adults talk, that’s what they say: thieves or worse. I’m glad that we don’t live in the city.

    Our home is in a very small town. We have a big fenced yard with an apple tree. My old swing set has become the support structure of a makeshift greenhouse, and the rest of the yard is no longer a yard, but more of a field. I used to think my mom was kind of weird, with her backyard chickens and her garden and her herbs, but now I am glad because we have food. The well water that tastes so different from the liquid that used to come from the taps is our true saving grace, my mother says, because water is more precious than gold.

    Other people trade with us for eggs and apples and the seeds that my mother saves from her garden. The man next door with the pale, quiet wife and two rambunctious children gives us firewood in return for 8 eggs per week. We eat a lot of venison because my mother traded her skills and some of her precious jars to preserve some venison for an old man who hunts.

    We are safer than most because our home is very small, and it is hidden behind trees. You can’t see it from the road. My mother says that the smallness of our house is a blessing because it takes less wood to stay warm. Since I am the one who goes out to pick up kindling every day I agree completely. I can’t imagine needing even more wood.

    The past week has been a break in the daily monotony. It was the week before Christmas.

    This Christmas is entirely different from any holiday season I have ever known in my 11 years. There will be no brightly lit tree, half hidden behind a pile of brightly wrapped gifts that were purchased in the months leading up to the big day. We won’t be going to parties or buying useless gifts for the teacher just because I don’t want to be the only one not giving a useless gift. I won’t be getting the newest electronic gadget. We aren’t inundated with Christmas carol muzak at the mall, with people pushing to get around us anytime we stop to look in a window.

    The stores are all empty, yawning caverns, littered with discarded wrappers. Anything that could possibly be of use was taken months ago.

    Still, Christmas is something to be anticipated.

    My mother said that all school children need a holiday, so for the past two weeks, instead of lessons in front of the fire at night, we have been making gifts. Whereas we once would have gone to the store and purchased yarn, waffling between two favorite colors amidst all the choices, this year I have unraveled an outgrown sweater with a hole in it in order to make my mother a scarf. For my next door neighbors’ young children, I have drawn small pictures – one of a kitten, and the other of a puppy. I placed these pictures in little frames made from twigs. Now they will have something cheerful with which to decorate their rooms. For the Smith’s daughter, who is 7, I have made a little book with carefully printed letters and drawn pictures. It is the story of the Three Little Pigs, from memory. For the man who hunts – his name is Roger but I always just think of him as the man who hunts – I have helped my mother make a warm hat. I embroidered an R on it for his name.

    Many of us in the small neighborhood where I live have families from far away. There are no visits to family anymore, because there is no gasoline to fuel the vehicles. If you can’t walk to your destination, you don’t go. So my grandparents will not be coming, and this is the first time I’ve had Christmas without them in my young life. I don’t know if they have survived the Change and I probably never will.

    Even though I feel as though I will probably be disappointed in the morning, I still have trouble going to sleep on Christmas Eve. I’m still only 11, despite the heavy responsibilities in the world after the Change.

    ***

    I awaken to bells ringing. Bells?

    I sit bolt upright in bed, the heavy covers falling to the floor. ”Mom?”

    “Get up, sleepyhead! It’s Christmas!”

    I bounce out of my room and I have that oh-my-gosh-it’s-Christmas-morning feeling fluttering around in my stomach.

    My mother is smiling from ear to ear, and she has a steaming mug in each hand. One has coffee for her, and the other has….I can’t believe it – cocoa!

    “Where did you get hot chocolate?” I ask as I take the first decadent sip.

    “Santa must have brought it, ” my mother says with a wink. She picks up the jingle bell ornament from the table and rings it again.

    My stocking is not full to overflowing like it was on Christmases past, but I’m just happy to see that there are a few strange bulges in it. Inside I find a ball of yarn that looks suspiciously like an old sweater that I had outgrown a couple of years ago, an apple from our tree that has been covered in a sugary candy coating and placed in an bread bag from before the Change, and a clean cloth wrapped around something mysterious. When I unwrap the cloth, I discover a hair barrette that my mother has decorated for me with a piece of wire and some beads from an old broken piece of costume jewelry. I put it in my hair immediately and preen.

    Our tree is from before the Change. It is an artificial tree and its lights remain unlit, since, of course, there is nothing to plug it in to, but it still looks beautiful with the assortment of ornaments that we have used for as long as I can remember. Under the tree is a large, lumpy bag for me, and two small paper-wrapped packages for my mother from me.

    I make her open one of her presents first.

    She gasps in delight to see the word LOVE made from twigs I found in the woods and tied together with garden twine to form letters. She immediately gets up and places the word on the bookshelf, front and center. Her hug and her smile make me feel warm and happy.

    It’s my turn now. I open my bag and find a purple winter coat. I could hardly believe my eyes because I had never expected anything half so wonderful as a coat. “Where on earth did you get this?”

    “I traded your outgrown coat from two years ago to the Smiths for their daughter, and Mrs. Smith gave me one of her coats for you.”

    “We have to find someone who needs my coat that I have outgrown, then,” I tell my mother. My wrists have exceeded the length of my coat sleeves by about 3 inches. Change or not, I still had continued to grow.

    My mother opens the last package, which is the scarf I have made for her from the holey sweater. She dons it immediately.

    I can’t help but compare this with the previous Christmas, when there were at least 20 presents to open. Somehow, I feel happier drinking this cocoa made with water, stroking the sleeve of a used purple coat, than I ever felt then.

    ***

    We are hosting Christmas dinner. My mother says that our neighbors are now our family and that we must love and care for each other if we are going to survive. The old man who hunts brought us a turkey yesterday. It is cooking with garden garlic and onions in a big roasting pan on the woodstove. My mother says that the turkey may not look like the kind we usually have, all brown from the oven, but that it will be an amazing treat. It smells so good that my mouth has been watering since early that morning.

    Our home is decorated with pine boughs that I brought back from the woods, and iced with a fresh layer of snow.

    We are serving with it applesauce from the jars of it my mother canned from our apple tree in the back yard. She had been storing crusts of bread and leftover biscuits in the outside cold room for a few weeks to make stuffing, and yesterday she cooked a pumpkin from the cellar as well as a big pot of potatoes.

    When the neighbors begin to arrive, we are excited to see that they are also bearing food. This has been a hungry time and we rarely eat until we are totally full, as our food must last until the snow is gone and we can grow more to eat.

    The Smiths, from whom my mother got my beautiful purple coat, have peppermint sticks for all of the children. Mrs. Smith found them in her bin of Christmas decorations. They are stale and chewy and the most delicious candy I have ever eaten. I take small licks to make it last as long as possible. The man who hunts, of course, has provided the turkey. The people next door, who keep reminding me to all them Tim and Libby, have arrived their children and a basket of cookies. They are the only people in the neighborhood with an oven that still works for baking. Sadly, their fuel for the oven will soon run out and there will be no way to replenish it. But for today, we have cookies.

    For the first day in a long, long time – it feels like forever – all I have to do is play. My mother and the other women will keep the fire going, the men will sit and talk, and we will play in the snow without a care in the world. When you’re playing in the snow, you forget that there is no electricity and no heat except for that from the fire. You are just a kid throwing snowballs and building forts.

    At dinnertime, we eat and eat and eat until we couldn’t hold another bite if we tried. My mother uses some of our candles and opens up the woodstove. The living room glows. Mr. Smith reads the original Christmas story in his deep melodic voice, followed by How the Grinch Stole Christmas, which was brought over by Tim and Libby.

    Then, the most magical thing of all: Christmas carols.

    We have no music except that which we make, but we all sing the familiar songs: Jingle Bells, Come Let Us Adore Him, Silent Night, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer – we run out of songs we know and begin to sing them all over again because no one wants the music to stop because then the night will end. One by one, the younger children fall asleep, with their full tummies and flushed cheeks.

    I sit there on the floor, leaning against my mother’s chair. The sweet voices of our friends and neighbors surround me like the softest blanket. I’m full, warm, and content. And although it is all by candlelight and my “big” gift is a used coat, it seems as though this day, this brief respite from the battle to survive, has been the best Christmas – a true holiday full of all that is sacred and beautiful.

    A complete loss of the power grid. Decisions, decisions.

  8. Here’s something the Democrats and Progressives could learn from. http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/michaeltanner/2013/12/26/real-life-example-of-welfare-reform-n1768505?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm

    What their not saying….running out of other peoples money. Coming to America, are you ready?

  9. ” LOL….Marie Antoinette pretty much lost her head due to her stupid ignorant statement, “If they don’t have bread let them eat cake” The people were rioting because there was no bread due to there was no wheat due to the failed wheat harvest due to the cold and wet climate. ”

    It was falsely attributed to her. She never said it.

    The phrase originates from Jean-Jacques Rousseau about 18 years prior to Marie Antoinette’s birth. It was later published in his autobiography titled “Confessions” when Marie Antoinette was only 10 years old.

    France and Austria were not exactly on good terms during that period. There was a bit of resentment on the part of the French people because their queen was Austrian born, her womb being a political tool for her mother. They chose her as their point of contention with regard to their economic issues and used her as the scapegoat.

    The reality is that her spending was not the issue it was made out to be. Much of the issue was about France’s military and economic support for the US Revolution. She gave her head for American ‘freedom’ as much as she did for 18th century Austrian diplomacy.

    Their family was captured by the French Revolutionary Guard, imprisoned, tried and falsely convicted. King Louis was beheaded, as was Maria Antonia Josephina Johanna, Her son was tortured, while her daughter listened He was left to die of miserable conditions and disease. And what do you suppose French revolutionaries did to a teenage princess in prison, the lone survivor of her family?

    What were the crimes of Louis Charles and Marie Therese Charlotte?

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      I confess to having quoted revisionist history and not checking the real source of the saying attributed to Marie Antoinette. Jean-Jacque Rousseau is the true source. However, I will stand by the issues about shortages of bread, caused by crop failures. Due to climate and fungus’s. Yes, she was used as an instrument of diplomacy as were most of the noble marriages in history. Either to expand the wealth and empire or keep it within the family. The French aid to the American Revolution was not so much as the Bourbon’s support of the principles of freedom and democracy, but to stick it to the British any way they could after losing a sizable portion of their empire to Britain during the French and Indian Wars. Next point on this, I believe the British were actually more sympathetic with the American Revolution than is usually believed. Using hired Hessian troops was one of the off-shoots of that sympathy. The British after signing the treaty that ended the war really could have used more of their military might and crush the rebellion, but instead took their wrath out against the French and they lost another sizable chunk of their empire to the British. There is never one simplistic answer to history and these are but a few samples and explanations of events. Fun yes? Come to think about it when was the last time the French really did win a war? Battles yes, wars?

      • Dale, Just some thoughts that have been running through my head. In regards to the Global Warming scam. Let’s equate this to the same Left Wing/Progressive ideology that keeps the poor under their thumb in the inner cities. Global warmist’s claim that coal fired electric generation plants are basically evil (their scapegoat). Now apply cheap energy (from coal) to provide for the betterment of third world (poor) countries. This would give them a step up from absolute poverty. Obviously, the Progressives can’t have this, much like their destroying the poor in the cities here in the US, keeping the third world countries down allows them all the power and money from the natural resources that are stolen from these countries.

        Like you said, follow the money. The Left don’t champion the poor, their the reason they stay that way 👿

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          Gman…can find no issue with anything you’ve said. That’s not any fun though. Coal was and continues to be the administrations whipping boy to justify its “green programs” which are hugely expensive and major impacts on employment, not only in this country but abroad as well. “Study of the effects on employment of public aid to renewable energy sources” by Research director:
          · Gabriel Calzada Álvarez PhD. URJC researchers:· Raquel Merino Jara· Juan Ramón Rallo Julián
          Technical Consultant:· José Ignacio García Bielsa in 2009. Detailing their experiences in Spain. Germany exempts business from the huge tax to pay for the green energy push, because they can move. The entire tax was placed on the people, they can not move. Getting back to coal…..The coal industry has taken an enormous hit and removing it as a source of inexpensive energy will drive up costs and reduce our ability to compete globally and all the other consequences of this policy. The mining companies are now showing up a a buy on the investment market for two very good reasons. 1) China is buying every ton of coal from us they can get. 2) Europe in their green energy push also decommissioned coal generation, but also a lot of nuclear capability after the Japanese disaster. They however have coal but it is a very dirty and lesser energy producing called “brown coal” They also are buying all they can get their hands on from us.
          So in a round about way our government are enabling our competitors to produce goods and services at lower costs than we can, and in affect keeping the poor poor and creating additional poor by unemploying people who were middle class and unable to find employment after being prematurely retired or layed off. Demanding that all people should get a college education, to what ends. Pile up debt and no where to use that education showcase the wall street protesters. That is a generalization but mostly true. The video, that I think you posted of a speech by the “Dirty Jobs” host is more proof. Stigmatizing non degree work as useless or demeaning. Just as with the campaign stigmatizing stay at home Mom’s or Dad’s as not fulfilling their potential.

          • Another wonderful factoid. On our planet, all Progressive?socialist countries are “secular”, so when you hear there’s a war on Christianity, it’s 100% true. The progressives want only one messiah, that would be their government.

            Kathy brought up a link today that gives me some hope from Chicago, they are realizing that voting Democrat is killing them. Imagine that.

          • Well, if everybody gets an “education”, then we can be Argentina. 1,000 psychiatrists per square mile but nary a plumber or electrician!

      • I am somewhat of a history buff myself. The French revolutionary period is rather fascinating. The causes for the French Revolution are many, including cold weather, crop failures and expensive military campaigns, etc, etc, etc…

        I sympathize with Marie Antoinette, given her life’s circumstances. I find myself oddly annoyed that she was the scapegoat, ..especially considering the brutality of the revolutionaries and the fate of her and her family.

        She and her children lived well, but ultimately got a raw deal. They didn’t deserve it. I suppose I am just taking up for them by correcting you.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          If we think that the geopolitical stuff is complicated today, all you have to do is read the history of the period between 1756 and 1814 and the rivalries, deals, treaties between the European countries in their quest for empire. Think of the assumption that Spain held the territory that became the Louisiana Purchase by the US from France during the Napoleanic wars. And all the cries even today of foul. Spain got that territory from France by treaty after the American Revolution, It had been explored and claimed by France very early on. France got their hands on it again by conquering Spain later and then sold it to the US. Spain held title of it only for 21 years at best. California is another expample….Spain only started colonizing that territory in 1769. In 1821 when Mexico gained its independence California became Mexican territory, only to lose it 27 years later to the US. Brief periods in history. The way Raza puts it today, the entire territory west of the Mississippi should belong to Mexico. Don’t strict revolutionary historians discount the American Revolution as a real revolution, but define it as a civil war? The revolution was the political thought after the war was concluded. They claim the French Revolution was a real one not ours. The French devoured themselves and fought and turned on themselves like the Russian Revolution and ate their young.

  10. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Has anyone yet caught the headlines on CNN and attached video about the Federals arresting a white Texas man for the “Knock Out” game and charging him with a “Hate Crime” because he struck and injured a 79 year old black man. The assult, according to the charges, occured on November 24th. Did anyone see the date on the video CNN used attached to their story. The surveillance camera clearly showed Oct 12th, and two Black men assulting a man on the streets of, I assume Pittsburg due to the news by-line. Where are the charges against those two. Talk about selective prosecution. But it also affirms you CAN NOT believe anything you see on the “news”. There is always an agenda. Reality is only what you experience and see with your own eyes. Everything else is some distortion of the even or just plain false. How’s that for being cynical.

    • ‘Hate Crime’ is a bit of a nonsense term. It is simply a crime.

      • BL, it’s reverse bias, too add to the punishment and control us whitey’s 😉

        • I suppose it is a bunch of things. To me it is just nonsense.

          There is a multitude of reasons and circumstances surrounding all sorts of different crimes. Law cannot keep up.

          If a person is violated, they are violated. The reasons why only go as far as determining responsibility and subsequent response.

          It is about determining who was not minding their own business.

    • Good morning Dale 🙂

      This doesn’t come as a surprise to me one bit. The roles in this country have been reversed when it comes to bias, of any sorts. We now have protected classes. While the intent was to stop crimes against them based on bias, it has morphed into much more like hate laws against white people, especially Christian white men. Those with our eyes open see this and it will continue for some time. This is how Progressives dominate the majority class to get their way in politics. Whoa is me, say the minorities. Watch how the immigration issue turns out, bet it passes. Right behind that will the “Let them vote” chorus come out and we’ll be bitching about how the Dems just added 8 million or so voters to their roles (not that it matters, it’s all rigged anyway). They need the dependent class to hold power, period.

      The Cloward-Piven theory is alive and in action, when it finally does it’s job, which will cause a collapse in society, then people will figure out why I ask so many questions of them. Decisions, decisions 😉 (For the record I’m 48 yo)

      • There you go again with that “collapse” word again. And again I’m going to push back. If you ask me, which you didn’t ;), we are already collapsed..morally and financially..but WE STILL CARRY ON. Collapse is the boogeyman that you keep chasing even though we are living it. Will it get worse?..probably..but we will still carry on. Jus sayin.

        • Your mostly right Anita. But ask yourself, why does the DHS need all the military equipment and ammo? Here’s a big question, we’re 17 trillion in debt as a nation, what happens when no one will loan us any more money? How long can the Fed reserve continue to print money out of thin air before it’s not very useful for us poor folks?

          But I see your point, and yes, most of us will carry on. 🙂

          • “…why does the DHS need all the military equipment and ammo? ”

            They are scared of something. And it appears to be about population control.

            • Well we ain’t rats, besides, it would be easier and more effective to use biological weapons against people to thin the herd. They could then control who lives without all the violence.

              • Indeed. If the goal is to kill everyone, it could be done rather easily and effectively via biological weapons.

                It must be about something else. Economic meltdown? Continuity of government?

    • That’s because there is no accountability in DC anywhere. But who can possibly lead the charge when all 3 branches, plus the DoJ are on the same team? This is where we need the states to emulate Texas more and just start saying no.

      • Well said Anita, We the people need to tell them NO as well.

        • Thanks…but I just let you have it up above 😉

          • Not really, your just trying to convince yourself that we won’t have a Great depression part 2. Except this time it will be much different, 😉

            • So what if we DO have another depression? Your grandparents survived, and mine did too. They raised 7 and 3 kids each through it. We could all use a little HUMBLE NESS. We will still carry on.

              I’m prepared just as you are. I’m just not seeing martial law/police state like you are anticipating. I doubt they are going to use those billion bullets on us. I don’t know what their plan is but I just don’t think I’m going to have to dodge bullets.

              • I’m sure you and I will be just fine as well, and I’m not so sure we’ll be dodging all those bullets either. If the power grid stays up, I’m gonna watch it all on TV 🙂 But remember, during the 1st depression, 95% of our nation were rural people who knew how to live off the land. Today, only about 5% can manage that task. This is a different time with different circumstances. Those who will be hit first and hardest, are also the most violent. Keep that in mind 😉

              • Anita, you should come visit this summer, you will find I’m really not what many perceive me to be. I have fun with the conspiracy stuff, gives me a reason to do the things I like to do, like gardening, hunting, photography (nature), making homemade brandy and various wild game products and meals (tonight we eat grouse soup).

                But, I’m really just helping my elders live out their lives as happy as possible. Most children put their mothers and fathers in nursing homes, not me. I have always had a soft spot for our Seniors, they deserve to be treated as I would hope to be treated at their age.

                The guest bedroom is open and the campfire awaits your decision 🙂

              • Dale A. Albrecht says:

                All we need to do is look at two very recent events. Both in the Boston area. 1) the complete shut down of an entire city , communications, freedom of movement and home invasion carried out by fully weaponized troops with a speed that would have made any totaliarian government proud. 2) just a simply water main break, causing mob violence when all they had to do is boil their water.

                When I lived in Maine there was a large movement to shut down the nuclear power plant at Wiscasset. Most of the power was sold outside of the state given there were very few people in Maine and could use wood as their heat sources. I countered by saying that there are 4.5 million people in the Boston area, what’s going to stop them from coming up here and TAKING your wood.

                All of my family during the depression lived in rural areas. They never went hungry. They were either directly in the food production business to sell, or grew their own personal food. Gman point about the shift in capabilities of food production. With the vast majority of the people living in an urban environment and incapable like in the past to provide for themselves. Look at where the food lines and soup kitchen were. I believe if the same thing happens again as advocated by Cloward and Piven to strain society to collapse in order to rebuild a new order. But does anyone here think that the government will not encourage and enforce at gunpoint the TAKING of the resources and independant survival capabilities of those that prepared for the worst, all in the name of SHARING and SOCIAL JUSTICE.

              • I’m always down for a road trip! If it’s summer I’ll have my own shelter. Just need running water and BEEF! Can’t be eating any grouse..wth is that anyway? 🙂

              • ..or you can take me to the fishin hole and I’ll teach you a thing or two. I’ll clean em and fry em on the campfire too!

              • ::::facepalm:::: Dale, Dale, Dale! I have my hands full with G already!

                Me. I don’t think it would get to a ‘taking at gunpoint’ situation. We are much more ‘civilized’ in this day and age. Even the progs would join forces with us if it got any where near that point. I hope.

              • HEHE, that’s funny! We have beef, pork, chicken and lamb if need be, all locally raised. A Ruffed Grouse is an upland game bird. It tastes like chicken, but sweeter. They aren’t very large, just a little bigger than a Cornish hen.

                Farmers pond is 15 feet deep and stocked with walleye, yellow perch and catfish. My tackle box would make you proud 😉

              • In that case, I could handle a grouse! Walleye and perch, yeah…catfish, hell no!

              • Dale A. Albrecht says:

                Anita…I was saying to Gman earlier this evening…My Mom had very good knife skills. She could eviserate, dis-joint, butcher and fillet anything. When she was growing up nothing went to waste. She was a good resource to have around especially out of doors and fresh, whatever you caught was on the menu. Her genteel city raised friends used to really get on her for not being a lady. I don’t think they ever repeated that mistake.

            • Dale A. Albrecht says:

              This an out-take from “Panics, Depressions and Economic Crisis”. After which I will add my own comments.
              “Production is always prone to advance more rapidly than consumption. This proposition seems at variance with accepted theories of political economy, but in reality it harmonizes with them. The struggle for existence which lies at the root of economic life is a contest between Nature’s limitations and potential consumption, which is unlimited. But concrete consumption and potential consumption are two different things.
              Indeed, we seem to be drawing near the familiar proposition that crises are caused by overproduction. This proposition has been vigorously opposed by those who have taken it in an absolute sense, and have revolted at the idea that production could ever outstrip man’s needs, as implying man’s incapacity for further development. But if we understand overproduction as a false distribution of products over a series of years in comparison with man’s actual consumption, and a false choice of objects of production in comparison with man’s potential consumption, we need not revolt at the statement that overproduction—-along certain lines—is the cause of crises.”

              This concept is one of the several reasons for the great depression. Manufacturing in the form of automobiles had reached a saturation point. Those that could truly afford a car had one, without credit. That to me is concrete consumption. Due to mass production capabilities, industry soon out produced that consumption and would have to shut down capability and create unemployment. This was unexceptable, so credit was loosened to create more potential consumption. The more they loosened credit to meet the production capabilities the bigger the bubble grew. Eventually the bottom of the barrel was reached on even potential consumption and the whole thing blew up. The most recent housing bubble you would have heard the very same argument from the government and the fed leading up to the collapse. Housing construction is slowing. In other words the ability for concrete consumption was reaching a saturation point. Oh my God, we have to do something says the government, look at the unemployment that will occur. They kept loosening the credit and requirements to tap into “potential” consumption until again they reached the bottom of the barrel and granting credit to those that should have been nowhere near a house. Eventually saturation will be reached and a collapse will indeed occur. Just listen to Bernenke who states repeatedly, our economy is all about credit, credit, credit. This focus on credit, to me, will always be pushing the economy into the very dangerous realm of “potential consumption” to match and keep pace with production, what ever is being produced, enabling the purchasing of items one really doesn’t need or can afford.

    • This is an incident of BIGOTRY by the Justice department. Why didn’t they charge blacks the were arrested before this? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/26/federal-authorities-charge-white-knockout-suspect-/#ixzz2oggpkP4j

  11. Dale, But does anyone here think that the government will not encourage and enforce at gunpoint the TAKING of the resources and independant survival capabilities of those that prepared for the worst, all in the name of SHARING and SOCIAL JUSTICE.

    They have already begun to do just that my friend. Not long ago, every business that sold emergency food stuffs were asked by the DHS to provide them with, about everything they had and could get over the next couple years. One company denied and spilled the beans. The govt, being the stupid idiots they are would certainly try to take from the preppers at the beginning, but I’m willing to bet the loss of life they will have to deal with will stop that rather quickly. The knowledge, skills and weaponry that many preppers have would make Delta Force proud. I wouldn’t bet against the resolve of Americans.

    Would it actually pay for the govt to travel far from the urban areas just to get enough food for a few hundred people for a couple days? Not likely, the hungry people on the other hand, surely could venture out to do just that. That’s where mental preparedness becomes vitally important.

    • While I like to “wargame” the collapse in my mind, playing out various scenarios, I don’t know that this Charlie Foxtrot of a government can ever pull off a coup[ against the constitution. First thing is to ask, who are these “Homeland Security” people with the billions or rounds of ammo? I think that is important to know. I’m not talking directors here, I am talking the grunts of the program. Just who is it who will enforce?

      I personally cannot see the US Military participating for any length of time. Initially if a national emergency is declared yes but after a week or two, I think they would simply stay home (might have to frag some senior officers though) .The Police are another matter, they are all brainwashed over the last ten years into seeing themselves as a militarized force. All the shaved head steroid muscle crap with tattoos frankly scares the crap out of me. They would probably jump in with glee in many cases. One could always hope though that if it really hits the fan, they would do what the New Orleans Cops did during Katrina, go home and look after their families first.

      Just to show you how long I have been thinking about this stuff. There are two boxes of M-2 AP in a watertight can I’ve had since the mid ’60’s. Used to run 2 cents apiece and made quick work out of abandoned Chevy engine blocks in the strippings of NE Pennsylvania! Hope I never need them.

      Still recommend Ray Milland’s masterpiece take on hitting the fan. Whole thing is now on You tube! Dated but very relevant.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        Along your point, hasn’t it been close to 5,000 citizens killed by police in this country over the past 10 or so years. Agree that the police not wanting to be out muscled by the government and are treating the “PEOPLE” as the enemy.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Only the most naive believe that what we have been saying here will not happen.

      • True, but one can only prepare so much. Myself, I prepare for a lengthy power outage due to weather. Knowing what that entails should give you an idea of what I have/need for such an emergency. An economic collapse would have less effect than the power problem, just sayin.

  12. Anita, Down here 🙂 You need to take a long long look at what’s going on in our inner cities. That shit ain’t civilized, it’s barbaric. The Prog’s? Really? They can’t shoot, get their feelings hurt to easily and are to ” bleeding heart” to fight. Jeez, Hope you ain’t countin on them 🙄

    • Dude! I’m near Detroit, remember? Yeah, there’s plenty of scum out there. But I’m getting a feeling that even many of them are seeing that govt is getting out of hand. If it came to martial law, do you think they would still get their couch check, No, All the more reason for them to join forces with us. They might not want to shoot, but they have the loudest voices.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Here’s an interesting footnote. Most people would associate Vermont as a very strict gun control state. It is in fact one of the most “gun” friendly states. A few years ago the State AG proposed to start enforcing the States Constitution in regards to gun ownership. That enforcement would entail a “TAX” on those that “DID NOT” own a gun. By not being able to protect themselves they were placing a burden upon their neighbors to provide protection to them, They would be taxed to cover those costs.

  13. BL, down here too! 😆

    Look at Agenda 21, maybe that’s why?

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Isn’t Agenda 21 totally contradictory with itself? Creating sustainable and growth demand especially in developing nations. And also saying they’ll protect nature and everything else in between. If as the UN says the developed nations have been evil on their consumption and the wasting of resources, isn’t it totally contradictory to propose the same consumption mindset in the developing countries. Won’t that just exacerbate the problems they propose to keep from happening? Maybe that is why the “progressives” are pushing so hard for open immigration here. Not only to get them off their land (American Indians anyone) and then exploit the heck out of the now vacated land because its not being used to its fullest extent……..Anita….sorry I’m giving you additional angst about how besides Gman, you have me to deal with. I live 1 block away from the Neuse and Trent rivers in NC. The fish and shellfish are abundant. When in season the waterfowl are plentiful. Land is relatively cheap to produce food on if you do not already have property. The city actually provides plots and tools for such private production. No protection against theft though. There is a large extended Burmese family here. You always see them out fishing, crabbing, oystering and picking edible plants along the waterways. We also have a growing population of alligators which as they say taste like chicken.

      • I wondered if GMan was yanking my chain when he said grouse tastes like chicken, I’m going to take his word for it. I facepalmed you over the collapse issue. You and G can live in hysteria if you choose. I’m not saying it can’t happen, I’m saying I don’t think it’s likely to happen. It’s like terrorism. If you let them see the fear and panic..they win! I’m prepared as best as I can be, but I’m not going to live in fear of them (govt) or they have won so to speak. I prefer to flip a digit at them and go on about my business…then stand behind G and let him take the hit for me! 😉 From your comments about world travels, I assume you are former Navy. Am I right?

        re: Agenda 21. Sustainability is one thing, and an admirable goal. But I don’t think it’s crafters are all about sustainability..more like population CONTROL. Knowwhatimsayin?

        • Actually, frog legs , rabbit and a number of other edible animals taste somewhat like chicken. Would you prefer that I said that chicken tastes like grouse except not a sweet? 😆

          Now let me ask you a question. If the US knew about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor beforehand, and was lying in wait, and the Japs found out we knew and were waiting, what do you think would have most likely occurred on Dec 7,1941?

          • What does that have to do with the price of apples?

            • Because the Japs would not have attacked. BL says “knowledge is power”. Maybe if enough people know what the govt may be thinking about doing will be enough to make them decide not to do it (whatever that “it” is). You don’t think that the very overblown stock market can continue it’s current path do you?

              • A market crash will cause the govt to go postal on us?

              • Dale A. Albrecht says:

                Midway to your 1st part………with stock trading at many times the actual value of the companies whose stock are being traded, heck no!!!! It is all being fueled by the cheap money/credit generated by QE. It is a very real and current example of gambling the economy on “potential” consumption. It never has turned out well, especially for the unprepared folks. The rich who prepare survive and gain wealth. The common man who prepares also survives, but just maintain. Everyone else, s*** happens

              • Anita, Great depression II ! But much different this time. Much, much different.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          I personally don’t feel I’m living in a state of hysteria. Just pointing out the conditions being created by the continual lawlessness by the government and intrusions in our individual lives. Old Boy Scout motto, “Be Prepared” With having lived in a civilized country that by all measures was in a constant state of warring factions, Sicily, you learned to walk a very narrow line.
          Anyway, I was Navy. Funny thing though is that I never set foot on a ship while in the Navy. I was on ships before and after active duty. Career wise and pre-career (Fathers work), I’ve worked in the electronics manufacturing, oil exploration business, boat delivery and charter industry, Ship building (Navy ships) IBM, AT&T and historical home restorations. I’ve had official address changes totalling 38 residences in the US and Caribbean and Europe. Taught quality control statistics to the telcom industry in the US, Canada, Netherlands and the UK. I was suppose to follow that up with assignments in China, Japan, Singapore and India, but 9/11 intervened and business travel ceased.

          • I don’t live in a state of hysteria either, but it’s nice to talk on these subjects once in awhile. One never knows when one can learn something. Besides, it a change from Obama bashing 😆

          • Nice resume. Was privileged to watch my niece come to dock on the Eisenhower, coming in from a 6? month deployment. It was an honor to tour that floating city. Flight deck was off limits but she had connections and we slipped up there too. Too bad they had already flown all the planes to safety before docking. BUT! I was also privileged to stay at Marine Corp Base Hawaii (son in law) several times..got my airshows there booooyyyy! Loved it!

            • Dale A. Albrecht says:

              I was supposed to be on the commissioning crew of the Eisenhower and run the calibration facility on board. Did an end run on the detailer though and got my orders modified to go to NAS Sigonella. The Eisenhower was going to sit in Newport News the rest of my enlistment to have its catapults and arresting gear and deck re-enforced to handle the heavier F-14. Carriers are mind blowing aren’t they. By the way the detailer was Master Chief Parsons in the Naval Annex in Arlington, in case anyone else was a navy type and might remember him. Lesson was you only got to fool mother nature ONCE if at all. If I had extended my enlistment he was going to send me to the darkest deepest hole the Navy had. The amazing thing I alway find is the distain most non military people hold the military. Claiming we were inefficient and nothing but a bunch of war mongering sheep unable to make it on the outside. I wish that all the industries operated as smoothly as an aircraft carrier, we’d be much better off. Not to say all the officers were good, but they on whole were light years better than industry managers especially when it came to leadership. I actually never felt so free to advance my career and was never restrained. It was go as far as want to. Private industry was much more political and arbitrary.

              • Dale A. Albrecht says:

                (sp) disdain

              • Looking back I wish I’d have done a few years, Bottom Line, now shortened up to BL, is the other sailor around here. Maybe he knows the Master Chief,

              • ” (sp) disdain ”

                Did you know taht splelnig denost mtatre bceusae yuo rade teh wrods, nto teh ltetrse?

                tI si lal bauot wrod rcegontitoni. Yuro mnid uatomtacillye crorcets nagarmas.

                ” Looking back I wish I’d have done a few years, Bottom Line, now shortened up to BL, is the other sailor around here. Maybe he knows the Master Chief, ”

                Can’t say that I do, although I have been to at least one of the same places. I rather enjoyed Sicily. It was very relaxing from my experience.

    • Maybe one entrance to the rabbit hole is posted right under our noses and also in plain view.

  14. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    News flash….A Federal judge in NY rules that the Federal NSA surveillence programs are legal….The judge said the phone collection program only works because it collects everything. Using the fight against terrorism as the excuse to justify the surveillence.

    Isn’t this just another example of the lawlessness of the government. If I’m not mistaken it is expressly forbidden in the Constitution for the government to do such warrantless general searches.

  15. http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/122613-684284-epa-gun-control-through-green-ammunition-mandates.htm

    I do have a couple questions. What can we use to make bullets other than lead? Where are all the Liberals who piss and moan about disenfranchisement?

    • Just bought 500 tips, 147 Gr. .311 (Russian 7.62). They are FMJ but have soft steel cores not lead. The current American Rifleman issue has a couple of good articles on this and the ammo shortage.

      I guess in the long run, I would buy a whole bunch of dead car batteries and start casting my own. Years ago, we went through this with the steel shot and lead poisoning of the waterfowl.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Also from the power lines leading to your house. Plenty of copper there. Stephen suggestion also. Find and old sailboat for scrap. It may still have a lead keel attached, which might yield a couple tons worth.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        That was a very large black market business in the sail charter business. In the US they put a lead keel on, sail to Nicaragua, pull the boat, drop the lead keel off, replace it with an iron keel. Go back to the US and start over again. Know many people who did that during the revolution there when the US banned export of materials that could be made into bullets. Also from the telcom business, the more unstable the economy, the poorer the folks and closer to revolution they are or in one. Miles of power and comm lines disappear. We’ve started to see more of that here in this country. In one of the companies I worked for, when we shipped equipment to that country, the goods started being rejected by their customs. They claimed the equipment did weigh enough. Our engineers scratched their heads and came up with a solution. Line the cases with thin sheets of lead until the desired weight was reached as specified by the country. When a field return came back to the US for repair, there was NEVER any lead sheets still attached to the cases.
        We will become a lot like a 3rd world country quicker than they will be civilized like us.

  16. Phil Robertson to resume filming Duck Dynasty! Free speech wins and political correctness loses. WHOOHOO! 🙂

    • Of course, Twitchy gathered the best exit question for this faux outrage:

      Who shall we crucify next?

      🙄

    • It is just another thing to stir the pot, to get everyone talking, defining values, learning tolerance, evolving, inching our way…

      • Me thinks it’s a dead subject. The Lefties lost, period. Political correctness got smacked again, just like Chik – F- Lay. This is a great victory for freedom, all be it small. I’m thinking the next one will really hurt the Progressives, because most people are tired of their incessive whining! 🙂

    • Or it’s the cumulation of a perfectly played marketing/PR campaign. A & E can claim to be sensitive to all sides. Anny support of the Ducksters is profit for A & E as well.

      • While I like Sara Palin, I have to say it’s dumb to be outspoken on an issue if you haven’t even read what was said. That’s why we don’t like the talking head newscasters…

        During Van Susteren’s interview with Palin, the Fox News host asked Palin whether she had any objection to the “graphic” way Robertson expressed his belief that the homosexual lifestyle was immoral, even if she agreed with the substance of what he said. But Palin told Van Susteren she hasn’t even read precisely what Robertson stated.

        “I haven’t read the article,” Palin told Van Susteren. “I don’t know exactly how he said it.”

        Yet after saying she hasn’t read Robertson’s comments, Palin went on to characterize them as if she had.

        “But, Greta, what he was doing was in response to a question about a lifestyle he disagrees with,” she said. “And yet he has said over and over again, he doesn’t hate the person engaging in a lifestyle he disagrees with. In response he was quoting the gospel. So people who were so insulted and offended by what he said evidently are offended what he was quoting in the gospel.

        Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/24/palin-claims-she-hasnt-even-read-what-duck-dynasty-star-said-about-homosexuality-video/#ixzz2omeOAUDQ

  17. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Seven counties in Colorado are now selling licenses to businesses who want to sell recreational pot. Has there been a legal limit set while driving stoned, like alcohol? Just curious. The fastest way to clear out the campus at CSU in 1970 was when the precursor to the ATF burned gullies filled with the stuff. CU in Boulder was aptly named “Crystal City” for all the chemical hallucinogenics being manufactured in the schools chemistry labs.

  18. Want to know how overpriced stocks are on Wall Street? Look up Twitter, now worth over 40 billion, has never made one red cent in profit, ever. And people wonder why many of us see a economic meltdown 🙄

  19. Fracktivists weep: Fracking saves water and prevents droughts, says study
    Washington Examiner

    Despite claims from anti-fracking activists that hydraulic fracturing contaminates ground water, a new study by the University of Texas found the process actually saves water and prevents droughts.

    “The bottom line is that hydraulic fracturing, by boosting natural gas production and moving the state from water-intensive coal technologies, makes our electric power system more drought-resilient,” Bridget Scanlon, senior research scientist at UT’s Bureau of Economic Geology, said.

    For every gallon of water used by fracking, Texas saved 33 gallons by using that water to produce electricity from natural gas instead of coal.

    Forty-five percent of Texas’ energy comes from natural gas now, while coal has dropped to 35 percent. The remaining 20 percent comes from wind and nuclear.

    (as Dale A.A. has pointed out, who funded the study may provide more info than the study. I am inclined to believe this as it’s written. The problem is that after the EPA kills all coal power, natural gas is just the next victim. They have the authority to regulate CO2 emissions which means anything you burn , they can force you to stop.)

    • Just got a letter from Public Service and Gas, my utilities supplier that thanks to NJ’s proximity to Pennsylvania, I will be receiving a 33% Gas rate reduction in my heating costs for the three winter months. Have already noticed on my last bill a significantly lower, $ 100+ amount for natural; gas. Go Fracking!!!!

      Somebody should send out copies of those notices to New Yorkers who would be paying even lower rates if that @#$%^&*( excuse for a human being Cuomo ever got off his radical democratic ass.

      • Congrats! We are seeing lower prices here as well and may even see a rebate in June ! Fracking is doing all of us a great service. Those who are against it are your typical environuts that know nothing about the real environment, they just make up shit to fit their lame ideology. 🙄

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Total agreement here. And thank you all for using natural gas, including myself. Those of my family that still live in PA, never have sold one acre of the land they have been purchasing since the early 1900’s. Right now they own approximately 6,000 acres. They used to farm and did well, but today their farms are all sitting on the Marcellus Shale formation. Needless to say that is proving very lucrative for them. Texas is opening up huge gas fields that are proving to be some of the largest in the world.
      Just saw that the EPA has reduced the requirement for gasoline producers to purchase 2.9 Billion less gallons of ethanol next year. That is great news. Not only does ethanol have one of the lowest energy outputs per gallon compared to the total energy required to produce. The biggest problem is the amount of land consumed in it production. Over 5 million acres of land that had been into conservancy has been plowed under to produce corn, soy and other biomass products. Usually these lands were pristine, or deemed not productive due to bad soil and weather conditions. Also by tilling this land huge amounts of trapped C02 are being release into the atmosphere. Farmers are having to put huge amounts of fertilizers and other chemicals to make the land usable to grow these products. There is also the loss of heretofore natural habitat providing cover for birds and other wildlife. There are cities in the midwest that are actually suing the government due to the contamination of their water supplies caused by the run off from these areas. We have here a contradicting policy by one government agency. That is the US Agriculture Dept. They pay the people to conserve this type of land, but then turn around and pay MORE to plow it under for the production of crops to produce ethanol. There are also the millions of acres of land that had in the past been used to produce food, but due to the higher price paid for ethanol, switch. Driving up food costs globally. Brazil with their ethanol policy is converting rain forest areas per year equal in size to the country of Greece. Weren’t environmentalist protesting a few years ago when the farmers were cutting the rain forest for timber then planting food crops? Saying we need the rain forest for oxygen production. Its a huge a huge carbon sink. Proponants of that policy say that no rain forest has been lost due to ethanol production. That is in a very narrow sense true. Farmers are growing plant products for ethanol on already cleared land, but then cut new forest to grow the food producing plants that have been DISPLACED by ethanol production.
      The way I look at it most if not all government policies in regards to “Green Energy” are a complete contradiction of terms to many of the “lefts” agendas. Helping the poor, while driving up food costs. Help the environment, but plowing under more land and releasing more C02, Cutting more forest which uses C02 to produce 02. Renewable energy, which in turn drives more traditional energy providers to be more inefficient due to the variability of wind and solar, driving up costs, wearing out machinery faster due to the rapid cycling to maintain stability in the grid and also creating either more C02 or at least a net of zero.

      So, thank god for the engineers and geologists who have invented these new gas and oil extraction methods. They will prove to be far less damaging to the environment than any of the so called “Green” energy renewables.

      • “The biggest problem is the amount of land consumed in it production. ”

        I say the biggest problem is unintended consequences, but for all I know, some may have been intended. The economics of this policy are staggering. Food prices spiked and impacted the poor hardest. The Arab Spring may even have been influenced with their drought along with the US government mandating it’s use as fuel instead of food. You average around 20% worse fuel mileage which again impacts the poor hardest. And it’s such a sad joke, you burn a gallon of fuel for ever 1.3 gallons of ethanol produced. Figure that with that mileage loss and it’s practically ZERO gain for the environment despite the billions spent.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          8) You detailed even more consequences. You point out that this policy possible could have been influenced by this policy. Without a doubt. Not having jobs or limited access to jobs was a major point of the arab spring. Compound that with the huge increase in food prices caused by the shifting from food to bio-fuel. What was our response ultimately…..send even more military aid to these countries, not food.
          Libya, when their uprising was in its just beginning, the EU, UN etc threatened Gaddafi about using force. He countered by saying stay out of it, or I will sell my oil elsewhere than to Europe which depended on Libya’s production. Within days UN resolutions were passed, and rather quickly Gaddafi was deposed and killed. Oil production was over 1.4M bpd before the overthrow. The output dropped to < 200K bpd due to the continue chaos in that country. Only this month has production reached 250K bpd only 17.8% of its previous production. Who again got impacted, the workers and poor.
          d13 may be able to help here, being from Texas and very knowledgable in these geopolitical issues. Isn't it the law that the US can not export raw petroleum. However, we can export gasoline or finished petroleum products. Our oil industry and government had deals making up these shortfalls to the EU that just recently expired. Not only did it keep our prices high here but the companies were able to sell the gasoline etc at greatly inflated prices to Europe and make even more profits. I will acknowledge that the European economy probably would have totally collapsed without these deals. but if we had left well enough alone in the first place, this and events like Benghazi may not have ever happened.
          Syria deep under the covers is all about a natural gas pipeline. Who is backing Syria. Russia and Iran. Who provides much of the natural gas to the EU countries. Russia and Iran. Who will be most impacted by a competing pipeline, Russia and Iran. Who is wanting to build a natural gas pipeline, which can only go through Syria to get to the EU countries. This gas is to come from the UAE which share the fields with Iran, but can only deliver it via ships at a greater cost. Who is backing the UAE, Saudi's, the US and EU. Who are the rebels in Syria being supported by, the Saudi's and the US and the EU.
          LOL, you say in your comments, about unintended consequences. More often than not I believe they are deliberate. Words are one thing, you really have to look at the ultimate actions. The government is schizophrenic and contradictory with its words, policies and actions.

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            Good read on the NRA during FDR’s administration.

            C:\Documents and Settings\Dale A. Albrecht.HOME-V5KRBO9BCF\Desktop\The NRA How Price-Fixing Perpetuated the Great Depression The Freeman Foundation for Economic Education.mht

            Not only was this act written by BIG business not unlike the ACA today, but greatly encouraged high prices, low innovation, and monopolies and cartels. The administration said we have TO much competition in this country and that is bad. Punished the small business man by forcing lower work hours, higher price they had to charge, forced to share ideas with big companies that may have kept the small innovator in business, but accomplished exactly the opposite.
            At least the Supreme Court ruled in 1935 the NRA unconstitutional, unlike the court today with the ACA. FDR tried to get rid of the courts mix and was unsuccessful, even though he did own both houses of congress.

          • With all the new discoveries here, it seems logical that the Europeans should look underfoot for their gas.

            • Dale A. Albrecht says:

              True…..please note that one of the key components of the deal with Iran this past month is to help Iran with our new techniques to invigorate their production. 6 or 7 US companies have been formally invited. Remember how spitting mad the Saudi’s and UAE, with Israel objecting for other reasons, were with the “temporary” suspension of the restrictions. Please note my sarcasm. They will not be reinstituted, mark my word. Could the agreement have come by because of pressure from China and Russia who never really supported them anyway.

          • Dale A.

            “you say in your comments, about unintended consequences. More often than not I believe they are deliberate. Words are one thing, you really have to look at the ultimate actions. The government is schizophrenic and contradictory with its words, policies and actions.”

            We are thinking along the same lines.. Your comments on Syria, EU, etc. are very well informed and spot on! I go back to Obama’s comments on coal, that he would simply make it too expensive for power plants to use it for fuel. Same logic, if you want people to drive less, make gas too expensive. If you want violence in the streets, make food & everything more expensive. Want foreign crisis? Show a weak military posture and invite China, N. Korea to act out. (gas & oil in S. China sea) Middle East? Civil war in Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Iran close to having nukes’ Israel & the Saudi’s feeling betrayed by the US. I can’t imagine so many things so screwed up by accident. Every M.E. country except Israel are devout Muslims who do not accept women as equals. So Hillary & Susan Rice are a joke to them or an insult. Ambassador Stevens was a homosexual, who by most of their laws was walking dead, execute on sight. Al Qaeda did that on 9/11 to send the world a message. Raping the US Ambassador during the process was just to add the exclamation point.

            Obama seems to be driving us to a tipping point on multiple fronts, foreign & domestic conflicts, foreign & domestic economic crisis…..

            I’m kinda insulted by your name calling, I’m Life of Illusion, or LOI, not Laughing Out Loud..
            Hurtful, simply hurtful.(LOL)

            • Dale A. Albrecht says:

              One of those un-intended consequences we’ve been discussing. Writing to late at night and the impulses from the brain to my fingers are delayed. I can think of other excuses, the light was dim, the L is to close to the I on the keyboard.

            • Get over it, you’re conservative..you’ve been called worse. 😉 🙂

  20. Modern gun ends today, took a 10 point last evening. Will now switch to hog & coyote, which have started running. As for the lead/ammo shortage, I think it will be cause a gradual price increase. I have already increased my stock & will continue focusing on what uses the most lead first, such as shotgun shells. Wal Mart has 15 packs of slugs at a good price. For sure, any/all ammo will never be cheaper than today.

    • Read the American Rifleman this month on the shortage. Prices have dropped significantly by me for the past six months. the panic buying is over. Supply is increasing.

      • SK, .22 rounds are still expensive and we still have a limit. I can get any caliber now and prices other than some (.22, .380, .40, .45, 9mm) are about right. Just got .308 dies to start reloading them, although I’m still well stocked. Brass is an interesting purchase still, if and when I need/want to. I’m also buying two muzzleloaders with all the extras. The guns are in mint condition, only fired once each. 250.00 for everything! Can’t beat that with the the ugly stick that hit Mooshele, LOL

      • SK,

        Have read it. As a member, I am disappointed in the NRA. There are inaccuracies in their story. They stated it was the largest lead deposit in the world. When I researched it on the internet, it did not check out. I think the NRA is a good organization, but they sell fear to drive donations.

    • Congrats on the buck!

  21. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Firing up the smoker tomorrow. Hickory smoking a whole leg of fresh pork. Enough meat to last almost a month, if used conservatively and I don’t “PIG” out. The best part is the last, making split pea soup with the bone and last remaining scraps of meat.
    Like making my own “kippers” when the herring run here. Pickled herring also. I avoid the lye process used in the Canadian imported pickled herring. Another contradictory policies of our government. Illegal to produce with that process, therefore shutting down businesses here causing unemployement, but legal to import from other countries.

  22. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/28/If-You-Think-Being-Ruled-by-Obama-Is-Bad-Try-Being-Ruled-by-the-Chinese

    This article points out the Chinese economic and with it military juggernaut that is coming. Our best weapon for survival in the 21st century is economic strength. Unfortunately we are doing everything possible to destroy this. As pointed out, we need to reinvigorate our manufacturing base. One way to do this is with cheap local energy, oil, gas and coal. Long term I would be developing lithium fluoride thorium reactors.

    One thing not mentioned in the article is the construction by Western companies of research centers in the India and China. China negotiates hard and often demands a R&D facility as part of the deal for multinationals to enter their markets.

    We also need to fix our education system here.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      One thing that will invigorate our education system is actually have good jobs for the graduates to go to. One of my nephews used to manage the grant program at a major university in Durham, NC. His biggest complaint was that most of the applicants were from other countries, like China and India. Not from here. They have a job to go to when they graduate. Or maybe we’ve had life all together to easy here and aren’t hungry enough yet. Unfortunately the in US the response has been in all to many cases is raising the requirements to masters and bachelor degree levels, for jobs that really only take some specific course work over a span of weeks. That literally cuts out people who are good and smart workers but makes them unemployable in this day and age. Every job I’ve ever been associated with could have been handled by 2 year community college with additional courses over time as needed. Now the entry level requirement even to do a “lean 6 sigma” job is a masters. That training is handled by a 3 week course.
      We could have quite a discussion on the relationship of education, jobs and government.

      • My youngest just got a degree in software last January. He has spent the last year looking for work in Silicon Valley with no success. They want 3.0 or above, a degree from Stanford or UC Berkeley or 5 years experience. Then they complain that Americans are not available and reach for the H1B applicants.

        Educational level requirements for jobs have crept up because the quality of education has decreased. I would like to see the Feds and unions out of our schools. Here in Ca we have other problems with the mandates from the state legislature for gay and other components to curricula. Also the make students feel good rather than performance is rampant in our schools.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          T-Ray….couldn’t agree with you more. I grew up in LA and that is not (Lower Alabama) The secondary education I got then 1960’s enabled me to test out of all my freshman and sophmore classes at Colorado State. Took in my freshman year classes starting at junior level up to graduate studies. The following year of graduation in CA they started busing. Guarranteed the students tapped to be bused from our school to the inner city in LA did not happen. The parents just put them private schools. The police would put a cordon around the school when the buses were loaded due to the influx of robberies of the local businesses. Even in the 60’s after the riots in Watts, games between schools were limited to a neutral school, and no spectators, with full police protection. I’m sure the school now can be rated as nothing more than mediocre.
          As a side note I will never forgive the teachers union for going out on strike in my senior year. Had a 4.0 going into the strike. Did not at the end of the school year, because they threw out all marks accumulated during the strike and made us retake almost a whole semesters work in 5 weeks.
          I was taking the hardest college prep curriculum at the school, Science, not PE.

  23. Very telling as to how Democrats feel about the rule of law in this country. http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/28/dnc-sends-email-defending-obama-from-impeachment-possibility/

    • plainlyspoken says:

      I have to laugh here. The DNC is using normal (for both parties) scare tactics to generate funds. A very familiar activity. Anyone with a brain should know that while the Repubs in the House may impeach him the Dems in the Senate will never “convict” him forcing his removal from office.

      But, then many people let themselves be scared by the “monster-in- the- closet” and give, give, give. LOL…..fools.

  24. Going to enjoy the last week of NFL regular season today. Here’s what I’m hoping for: Dolphins, Green Bay and Dallas win. Ravens, Steelers, 49ers, and Patriots all lose. Rainy cold day here again, not much outdoor activity in the works.

  25. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    I need d13’s insight and experience here….Isn’t the Benghazi report that the NY Times released today a bit of a whitewash? Wasn’t the opposition against Gaddafi, though supported by the US and the EU similar in nature and makeup like the opposition to Assad in Syria. Not necessarily directly al-queda but loosely affiliated with the same objectives and plans for the M/E.

    • Dale, Al-Qaeda is a foreign, losely run group of mercenaries, funded by the CIA. They had nothing to do with the original 9-11, that was funded by Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaeda has helped the globalists and the US govt to overthrow Libya and are working in Syria, much of it funded by he US govt. All of this is detailed in US govt documents that have been declassified in the past.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        The so-called “report” by the NY Times, should have been in the op-ed section of the paper. I pick up the that paper and the Washington Post occasionally, to try and maintain a view into what other folks in the country are being fed. Just re-read the history of the Islamic Brotherhood. It just makes you really shake your head in amazement about our governments foreign policy and the support we are giving to the groups in Syria with known Al-Queda links and arms flowing from the Gaddafi (RIP) opposition in Libya, trained and armed by the US. My closest personal exposure to this government (diplomacy) in the loosest sense of the word was Iran in 1979.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        Managing, governing, negotiating, cajoling, crafting legislation, forging compromise. For these — this stuff of governance — Obama has shown little aptitude and even less interest. Perhaps, as Valerie Jarrett has suggested, he is simply too easily bored to invest his greatness in such mundanity……Charles Krauthammer

        So what in the world is going get him in this world to invest his greatness? (self defined delusion)

        • So what in the world is going get him in this world to invest his greatness?

          You really don’t think the NDAA, the FSMA, and all is self proclaimed power under is EO’s are for nothing do you? That’s what I’ve been warning people about. 😦

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            Here is even the Huffington Post’s take on the last NDAA and followup EO’s Obama signed;

            President Obama’s National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order of March 16 does to the country as a whole what the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act did to the Constitution in particular — completely eviscerates any due process or judicial oversight for any action by the Government deemed in the interest of “national security.” Like the NDAA, the new Executive Order puts the government completely above the law, which, in a democracy, is never supposed to happen. The United States is essentially now under martial law without the exigencies of a national emergency…..Jim Garrison 3/2012

            Gman…..I was being cynical….it is a bad habit I have.

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            Just read what’s online about the FSMA and how it is being implemented. It reads just like how the NRA was enacted in ’33 and that was a total disaster especially for the small business man.

      • You have me confused. I thought there was no such thing as terrorists, but now the CIA is funding the non terrorists? Someone has some splainin to do.Lots of splainin..I’m listening……….

        • No splaining needing, you should have been paying attention. It’s not like I haven’t said this , like, 100 times. Go back and check out previous posts, it’s all there with links. Oh, maybe that’s the stuff you blew off, not thinking it was anything more than CT. Sorry, it’s not. 🙄

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            unrelated….took the leg of pork out of the smoker….stole a piece to test it. That was good vittles. I forgot how tough a hogs skin is. Had to skin it so the seasonings and hickory smoke could penetrate. So do I get to be a novice member of this obviously outdoor self-sustaining club?

            • Dale, Let me welcome you to the club! 🙂 We all learned by experience, and still do to this day. Let me now how it comes out 🙂

              • Dale A. Albrecht says:

                Turned out as planned. I’ve done them before. Rarely get store bought smoked products anymore. To wimpy on flavor and to expensive. It really doesn’t take very long as you probably know. Usually smoke fish and duck. Do a prime rib occassionally. You really can not call what I skinned off skin….it was a full blown hide. Doing this is in my blood….My Dad’s first date with Mom while on leave in WWII, wound up being a no go. Before they could go out they had to catch, dispatch, defeather, clean, remove pinfeathers, wrap and deliver a whole mess of turkeys that my grandparents (in the future tense) had raised and on order for Thanksgiving delivery. As long as Mom was alive, you could just hand her anything and she’d just zip zip zip and it was ready to cook. She had good knife skills.

              • Knife skills are great! I can skin and remove the meat from a deer while it’s still hanging. Makes the remains easy to dispose of and the meat can be processed faster. I never leave bones in wild game, ever.

          • ” Oh, maybe that’s the stuff you blew off, not thinking it was anything more than CT. Sorry, it’s not.”

            It goes deeper.

            If humanity could only see what is right in plain sight, it may make their heads catch fire.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck…it must be a duck.

  26. You guys going to have to get along without me for about 10 days. Going to help move Junior from DC to Ft. Leavenworth (not the prison). He’s going to command and staff school for 10 months and I volunteered to help drive the U-Haul on friggen New Years eve. What was I thinking?

  27. Forgot,

    Happy New Year to all!

  28. The latest in “compromises” and reasonable laws from the anti- 2nd amendment folks!

    The first gun I ever had in my home as a teenager, a 22 long, Remington pump would have been illegal under this new interpretation.

  29. Happy New Year SK and drive safely!

    Now, big question. Everything the government does in the name of “National Security” lately seems to undermine the Constitution and what it was intended to protect, our “the people’s” rights. First and foremost, there is not one country or entity that threatens our national security. No country on this planet has the capability to invade our nation, and even if they did, they would get crushed. The lame bullshit about terrorism is not about protecting our national security, because there is very little that the CIA funded terrorist’s will ever do to screw the entire country’s security.

    The term National Security is like the Cold War, fear mongering, nothing more and nothing less. We don’t need the NSA, nor should we accept their actions. They spy on us, as in you and me, and do nothing of service to our country as a whole. They are to protect the ruling class, that would be those who many of you actually vote for. Remember, Austria voted for Hitler, 98% of the vote made him their ruler. The rest is history.

    I said prior to the 2012 elections that there may not even be a Federal election. I was very wrong 😦 But being wrong is OK, because I may have been 4 years too early in that prediction. The Dems are in trouble and Smokey Pants is way down in his Happy polls. I expect a serious false flag/major disaster event by September.

    Smile Ya’ll, you know a genuine enemy of the Obama regime and the Progressive movement. While I hope it don’t go violent, shit happens. 😎

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      History reminds us of the aftermath of a very minor assasination of a real loser called Arch Duke Ferdinand in Sarajevo. It provided the triggering “excuse”. Question is what will be the excuse here?
      Reading the diary of an old friend who was Austrian. The anti-sematism even prior to Hitler and the Anschluss in ’38 was horrendous. This was carried out by the democratic Catholic leaders. My friends escaped with only one box of personal belongings each that could fit in the postal system. None of the belongings ever arrived in France.
      It is very sad that the courts are upholding the continued erosion of our constitutional rights all on the excuse, It’s for our safety. Or should I say “for our own good” like we were a bunch of children unable to fend out for ourselves.

      Happy New Year to everyone.

      • Have had a number of Austrian Jewish friends over the years. The Hapsburg Empire was perhaps the most enlightened empire ever. Jews were welcome, prospered and were not singled out in any way. Many rose to high government positions. After WW 1 all that changed. They were scapegoated. Most of the folks I knew left before the Anschuss in ’38. They saw the writing on the wall. Probably another unintended consequence of Versailles.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          For those that get snowed in and need a reading list for next term….”Paris 1919″ Six Months That Changed The World. written by Margaret Macmillan, great grand daugter of David Lloyd George. Takes each country and how it was affected with the Versailles treaty and some to this day. Excellent read.

  30. A new thread will open tomorrow, with a short article from me. It’s an open mic and all subjects are open.

  31. Seems to me there was someone one here making predictions and said the Pack would not make the play-offs.

    Next Sunday, be there!

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Darn it’s cold up there. 1 degree F…….70 today in Coastal NC

    • I listened to that guy too, then reality happened!

      Great game last night. I’m a Packer fan from here on out.

      • plainlyspoken says:

        Nothing warms this old man better than the Pack slapping down on the Bears, as well as clinching their division!

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