Open Mic Part 5

Is anyone else tired of winter?



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  2. plainlyspoken says:
    • Just A Citizen says:

      I would call it more of a CLEANSING.

      • plainlyspoken says:

        Funny how a conservative politician who is willing to try and work with the opposition is suddenly a liberal, instead of sticking to the obstructionist of refusing to even say the word “Democrat” without sneering.

        It was the same kind of thing with Democrats. They worked (and still are) trying to rid Congressional seats of blue-dog Democrats as much as they wanted Republicans gone.

        Evidence that both parties could care less about being leaders for the people.

  3. plainlyspoken says:

    US war hawks listen up – he says go home and I agree. Pack it in and chalk up a loss.

  4. plainlyspoken says:


    A diet of bread and water is the punishment for dozens of Arizona inmates who allegedly defaced American flags placed in their jail cells.

    and later in the article:

    The flags are part of a push for patriotism in county jail cells that includes listening to the “Star-Spangled Banner” every morning and “God Bless America” every night over the intercom system.

    Arpaio implemented the American flag jailhouse initiative in November.

    There is a difference between being strict with inmates and being stupid with them. I just saw stupid!

    • Yeah you’ve got a second on that one-Stupid

    • Just A Citizen says:

      And ARROGANT.

      ABUSE OF POWER………….. and that time I was yelling!

      • plainlyspoken says:

        I would agree JAC, completely. He’s trying to impart his personal philosophy through this “program.” He should stick to working on imparting society’s philosophy – “behave, live within society and stay out of this place or anyplace like it.”

        I told my wife of this story this morning and she just laughed at the lunacy of it.

    • It is a brainwashing technique and form of unusual punishment.

      Prisoners are dehumanized by their very controlled environment, given an incentive/punishment program and a set of living standards designed to program them into worshiping the state and, arguably, a god.

      Institutional rehabilitation? Re-education?

      • plainlyspoken says:


        Anyone who ever believed, or now believes, that any kind of criminal incarceration in jails or prisons has, or does have, the responsibility/ability to rehabilitate prisoners obviously swallowed to much LSD – they’re hallucinating.

        America needs to get back to the simple understand that jails/prison are to hold prisoners as punishment only. Albeit humane punishment.

  5. I’m going to copy and paste a letter that’s hitting the Net for everyone’s entertainment. I say entertainment because it’s so crazy, even I couldn’t have thought of this, LOL. But I do love a good conspiracy theory. I don’t believe this anymore than any of you will. ENJOY!

    • The Treason Bowl February 2, 2014 at the Meadowlands Sports Complex


      For reasons soon to be obvious to you, I will not introduce myself, nor any of the others who have contributed to this notification. We have been involved with the construction and operation of the new MetLife Stadium at the Meadowlands Sports Complex. Some of our involvement precedes the groundbreaking, and some of our involvement is current.

      From here on, I will refer to the upcoming Super Bowl as the “Treason Bowl”.

      From the start, from design stages, plans have been made for the stadium, and the American Dream Meadowlands complex, to host a well-planned false flag event, so grand that one would think it was planned in the offices of Josef Goebbles himself. This has been in the works for at least six years.

      The highlight of this treason will be the world-wide live television coverage of this abomination of civilization. This promotion of fear and horror is hoped to inspire the masses of the world to willfully submit to the eradication of rights given to us by God.

      In the very design of the stadium, spots were planned for the placement of bombs, not to immediately kill the stadium guests, but to entrap the guests. The bomb placements are for the creation of choke points to control the movement of the guests.

      Remember, the highlight is the international live broadcast of desperate human suffering. It will first be answered by military-ized police and thug-like New Jersey state police, but to ONLY be resolved by US Army troops from Ft. Dix.

      The fix is in; racketeering at its finest hour.

      You may notice that the New Jersey State Police Sports Complex Unit has a noticeable high percentage of troopers that are very big, look like thugs, and we assure you – act like thugs. Seven of us have witnessed experiences with them, with varying degrees of rudeness, misery and disgust. There are traitors within this local state police force who will be enabling the apparent foreigners, in the stadium and in the whole complex. It has been harder for us to be exact with numbers of US federal agents in on the false flag fix, but we have confirmed they to be from DHS, NSA, FBI and Blackwater.

      For the Treason Bowl, there may be as many as 11 armed “foreign terrorists” in the stadium itself, being another 8 of them in the rest of the complex, including Meadowlands Station.

      A heavier-than-air poison gas will be brought in with the C02 canisters that are used by soft drink vendors. It will not be a quick killer as chlorine gas, but rather a gas that causes more physical contortions and suffering, for high-impact live video. This heavier-than-air poison will first target the field level, most notably the athletes on the field. Specific placement of bombs will insure that no one leaves the field level, ala the closed choke points.

      False flag Islamic demands will be posted for the release of “freedom fighters” in Guantanamo, but primarily for the exit of U.S. forces from Afghanistan.

      For those of you who haven’t figured it out yet, about the extensively drawn out Afghan occupation by a supposedly mighty military (with untold hundreds of billions of dollars worth of military resources AND high-tech intelligence resources), against an out- manned (and out-gunned) rebel alliance with a mysterious decade-plus bottomless supply of resources -> it’s all about the three pipelines – the now-complete Caspian Sea oil and natural gas pipelines to China and points in between, and the heroin pipeline to developed countries in the west, especially our country. The continuing vagueness of the Afghan occupation should be as obvious as the nose on your face, and should consume your curiosity. The lot of us here are amazed how this realization escapes the most of you. Of course our senses are heightened on this matter, having learned for the past 6 years of the pending evil and doom of the 2014 Treason Bowl.

      There were scattered warnings before the successful treasonous coup de tat of Sept 11. The warnings were not heeded, mostly because such a display of treason wasn’t so believable at the time, as much as it is believable now. After that event, those previous warnings were given the status as if they came from the Bellevue nut ward, even though the event itself showed the warnings to be very accurate.

      An aside here: one of us has a relative who was one of the many NYFD officers who heard the meticulous floor-by-floor demolition explosives in the World Trade Towers.

      The obvious, but never to be explained, breakdown of the tax-payer-financed multi- hundred-billion-dollar-a-year U.S intelligence community is well underway, again.

      You must recognize that treasonous orchestrations of such grand scale can only be accomplished with the bottomless pockets of intel agencies, with secrecy as their ally.

      Rest assured that “treason” is the correct word for the event. The former military explosives experts of contractor Blackwater will be placing the bombs.

      We’re told that the FBI is complete with the fabrication of evidence.

      (This reminds me of the NY State Trooper C evidence-fabricating scandal. This time it’s federal, with NJ state police help, and much bigger targets.)

      DHS gumshoes have covertly infested the operations of the whole complex, supplying reports as to the progress of the logistics of this fabulous false flag murder fest, and hoping to identify any Meadowlands Complex workers who may be getting savvy to the treasonous ploy of federal agencies, and subversive NJ state police.

      The daily security of Met Life Stadium currently is anal retentive and far beyond what our contemporaries at other sports arenas have reported in their facilities.

      Specific state police officers are tasked to enable the alleged “terrorists” to their assigned placement for the horrendous and sinister festivities in the first half of the third quarter, when this conspiracy theory will no longer be a theory.

      DHS appears to be the overall planners and coordinators, while drawing upon the resources of other federal groups, especially the NSA. The NSA seems to have the planned psychological blueprint for the multiple-day death, horror and hostage event. Psychological operations have been part of their original mission since 1952, to counter the brainwashing of Korean War captives. NSA has always done psycho activities, and blamed the CIA for most of it.

      Our hope here is that the Treason Bowl could be abated per this warning. Much depends on high-visibility circulation of this warning. Just the same, you may want to cheer for your favorite team to lose in the conference finals, in triple overtime of course.

      Good Night, and Good Luck.

      Cc: Broncos, Chargers, Colts, 49ers, Panthers, Patriots, Saints, Seahawks, Village Voice, Newark Star Ledger, World Net Daily, Project Camelot, Truth Out, Rumor Mill News, Common Dreams, Black Listed News, Before It’s News, Quantum Future Group, Centre for Research on Globalization, Cryptome, Paul Craig Roberts, Laura Ingraham, and Mr. Edwin Anzalone.

  6. Just A Citizen says:

    Any surprise that the “educators” would argue to have this left on the School grounds??

    Cultural depravity is a hall mark of the left wing. Then they fight to involve govt in spreading it among the populace. Or helping pay to support it when everyone cannot participate.

    Govt MONEY for Birth Control, for example.

    • I’m at a lost on what exactly his art is teaching that the teachers like?

      • That wasn’t too clear-I would like the teachers to explain their reasoning for liking the picture being there-saying they like what it teaches tells me nothing. What the heck do you think it teaches. I suspect 13 and up know woman have vagina’s. It’s funny how all these left wingers get by with saying nothing-I guess they just want to seem cool to the children-and to seem more open about sex than the up tight republicans-but the children will use this mural as something to snicker about and tease each other about-it’s immature and stupid and it promotes that action in the kids.

  7. Just A Citizen says:


    If I recall weren’t you also a viewer of the Revolution TV show? Maybe Anita as well.

    OK…what do you think of the latest references to the nano-tech as “being like God”??

  8. Just A Citizen says:

    Women of SUFA and ANYONE claiming to be left of center that visits SUFA……….PLEASE respond to this.

    I do not understand how Mike Huckabee’s statement about Democrats belittling women by assuming they cannot control their libido or need Govt to pay for their contraception is:


    If you listen to the left wing rhetoric on this all week it is just more of the same. WAR ON WOMEN………..

    Well I do not see anything in this statement as even close to anti woman, denigrating or offensive towards women or a “war on women”.

    If anything Huckabee’s statement has revealed how CONTROLLED the Democrat and leftwing message machine has become. NOT A SINGLE pundit stepped back and addressed the fundamental issue raised. Instead they ALL spread the War on Women meme.

    Go ahead……….enlighten me please.

    • I suppose it’s offensive because they don’t believe women should have to control their libido-and any woman who doesn’t want to control her libido or be responsible for the consequences of not controlling her libido will be insulted because she thinks her wants are all that matters.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Which in turn is what Huckabee was saying. So their reaction CONFIRMS his accusation.

        That is what I thought. Maybe our left leaning friends can ask their wives and get back to us on their views.

    • You don’t get it because it wasn’t there to begin with. The first leftie female decided to (purposely) put her own spin on it, which she then had to take back. It fell apart from there.

      Huckabee spent too much time defending fact making himself look worse. He should have given a couple sentence statement and left it at that.

      It’s all part of the strategy…keep the social issues up front so they can avoid the fiscal problems. If these Rs & Ts don’t stay laser focused on fiscal problems, I’m going to have to choke someone. 👿

      • I don’t know Anita-I think the social issues are important and I think the republicans not handling them very well is a lot of the reason we lose-But either way the dems are not going to let them not talk about social issues -so maybe they should actually think about the best way to handle the attacks-and answer the questions-and to ask a few questions of the dems about the issues-instead of trying to ignore them.

        But one thing is for sure-the republicans apologize way to much about things they have nothing to be sorry about-How often do you hear a democrat apologize!

        • Melissa Harris Perry has been groveling lately 😉 You’re right that the social issues aren’t going away. I just think that if we could get the money part straight, then maybe people wouldn’t be so angry and willing to fight so hard about the social issues. More guys like Zo, Dennis Miller, other conservative entertainers, need to step up their game…they are the ones who will be able to get through to the LIVs

          • Guys, if a Republican says ANYTHING about women, libido, birth control, abortion, salaries, having babies whatever, they are immediately attacked as anti-woman and the Republican “war on women” continues. It is quick, painless and easy for the democrats to do this and is equivalent to the old saw “When did you stop beating your wife?” So, you do not answer their charges. You stick to what you are for.

            As much as it pains me to say this, apologies do show weakness. The democrats never apologize. Hell, it was easier to get Nixon to apologize than to get Clinton to say anything. We are some 13 years out of the Clinton administration and the very real and believable charges of rape and sexual harassment not to mention what he did to Monica and her life have faded into a dim memory, if that. Instead we are treated to his status as a revered elder statesman. The best example I can think of to demonstrate just how weak and spineless the republicans(traditional) are was when Bush I, a man who is acknowledged to have some class teamed up with Clinton time and time again on projects. For Bush the elder to even give the time of day to that lowlife, trailer park trash just boggles the mind. My apologies by the way to trailer park trash but it was the closest analogy I could come to on short notice.

    • plainlyspoken says:

      I want to know if condoms are to be covered by health insurance as well? If not, that would seem to be gender discrimination don’t you think?

  9. I thought this was cool. Detroit Symphony Orchestra pulls a flash mob at an Ikea near me.

  10. Feminist Art Group Gives Abortion Patients A Plant: ‘Bring One Life Home’

    By Tim Graham | January 24, 2014 | 15:07
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    When most people hear the word “Fargo” these days, they might think about the dark comedy by the Coen brothers where a crook ends up in a wood-chipper. But when you think of getting an abortion in Fargo, you’re supposed to think happy thoughts due to a feminist group called “Plants for Patients.”

    Stacy Trasancos at reported on this group, devoted to comforting women who’ve had abortions by giving them a plant so they can “bring one life home.”

    P4P explains itself this way: “The program strives to begin breaking down the social stigmas perpetrated against women who undergo abortion care by leveraging the kindness of strangers to create a community of support.”

    The group claims to be neither pro-life or pro-abortion but their Facebook page easily gives away their tilt, marveling about how “We had the distinct pleasure of presenting on a panel about art, abortion, and activism at the National Women’s Studies Association conference in Cincinnati alongside 4000 Years for Choice and GGBB Guerrilla Girls Broadband!”

    Their Q&A includes this elaboration:

    Why do you give plants inside abortion clinics?

    In our culture, abortion is surrounded by social stigma, shame and secrecy. It’s personal and most of the time it’s very private. When you consider that medical records are confidential and that many women may never talk about their abortion experience, you begin to see that the only way to reach them, if only to offer them a gift, is by being with them in the clinic or hospital.

    Do women actually take plants?

    Yes! In fact, since we began offering planters in March 2012 over 1,000 planters have gone home with patients and 15 – 20% of patients have left some sort of feedback about the program or how it affected them. You can read their stories and thoughts about P4P on the What Women Are Saying page.

    Here’s how Trasancos explored the testimonials:

    One woman wrote: “The ability to care for anything provides a woman with a sense of control and empowerment. It reminds me that I can be a kind and nurturing person.” Why didn’t someone tell her that motherhood is empowering and that she was the most important nurturing person to her child?

    Another woman wrote, “I feel that the plant will keep me from wondering and that I can care and love the plant as mere memorial.” But a memorial is a symbol of wondering; the life growing in the delicate ceramic pot will be a reminder of the fragility of the life that was in her womb.

    Another, “…even though one life may not be able to continue, you give the opportunity to bring one life home.” These are muffled pleas for love. “Perhaps to some, the plant is a tribute to the possibility of the life they decided against.”

    ….I wonder if the artists and donors ever thought about these women years later, sitting alone with a plant — a living, growing, but inanimate, unloving thing. Let’s work to inspire a love for the gift of life in pregnant mothers, before they become abortion patients.

    The same message comes in share-able graphics on the P4P Facebook page:

    Read more:

    Wow, this seems almost cruel to me-I am dumbfounded that the woman would react this way-I thought abortion was supposed to be a hard decision-but a plant-taking home a life! Doesn’t this seem to belittle the hardness of the decision-oh right-it isn’t supposed to really be a hard decision anymore is it.

  11. More fun weather for those of us in the North. Yesterday, 8 inches of snow, high around 20. Today, more snow, currently 10. Tuesday High of zero and a low of minus 15. Yippee 🙂

    • plainlyspoken says:

      You could move to sunny Colorado…….

      • Way to close to California, Oregon and Washington for my political liking. I’m already to close to NY but we don’t have goofy gun laws to worry about. LOL, Cuomo should be strung up by his little balls, Effing Communist pig.

        • plainlyspoken says:

          It’s okay, west coasters need only to spend some time in Colorado’s “harsh” (rolf) winter conditions and they crawl home whining. They can’t hang. Plus, you could be hunting some mighty fine elk, 😉

  12. On the subject of a Convention of States:

    Staton adds 20 states are in the process of passing similar resolutions, but it could take years for anything to happen. Farris tells 41NBC there has never been a Convention of States under Article Five of the US Constitution in US history.

    • plainlyspoken says:

      Farris tells 41NBC there has never been a Convention of States under Article Five of the US Constitution in US history.

      First time for everything. I’m will to flip a coin to see what a convention will bring out for ratification by the states.

      • It will likely never happen. I feel we are way to gone to fix this mess. The Progressives will do everything in their power to screw it up, including blowing it up if need be. They don’t seem to have problems killing people.

  13. plainlyspoken says:

    Apparently some kids are fed up with the lack of quality education they are receiving and put the blame squarely on the teachers. Hmmmm………..

  14. plainlyspoken says:

    I can fix the immigration issue in one minute flat – not that most conservatives would like it at all.

    Immigration is a long standing sore in American. The immigration system shouldn’t be “reformed”, but more likely almost completely abolished.

    • If the Feds were out of they way and business’s could prosper, we as nation wouldn’t have an immigration debate, because we would have the need for more in the workforce. The democrats don’t give a rats ass about the 11 million illegals in country, they just want the dependency on government and more voters. The issue is 100% the cause of government action. There would be no immigration issue, if not for governments interference in the lives of all Americans.

  15. Black Flag® says:

    To JAC:
    From another post by someone else:

    I’m a professional infrared astronomer who spent his life trying to observe space through the atmosphere’s back-radiation that the environmental activists claim is caused by CO2 and guess what? In all the bands that are responsible for back radiation in the brightness temperatures (color temperatures) related to earth’s surface temperature (between 9 microns and 13 microns for temps of 220K to 320 K) there is no absorption of radiation by CO2 at all. In all the bands between 9 and 9.5 there is mild absorption by H2O, from 9.5 to 10 microns (300 K) the atmosphere is perfectly clear except around 9.6 is a big ozone band that the warmists never mention for some reason. From 10 to 13 microns there is more absorption by H2O. Starting at 13 we get CO2 absorption but that wavelength corresponds to temperatures below even that of the south pole. Nowhere from 9 to 13 microns do we see appreciable absorption bands of CO2. This means the greenhouse effect is way over 95% caused by water vapor and probably less than 3% from CO2.

    I would say even ozone is more important due to the 9.6 band, but it’s so high in the atmosphere that it probably serves more to radiate heat into space than for back-radiation to the surface. The whole theory of a CO2 greenhouse effect is wrong yet the ignorant masses in academia have gone to great lengths trying to prove it with one lie and false study after another, mainly because the people pushing the global warming hoax are funded by the government who needs to report what it does to the IPCC to further their “cause”. I’m retired so I don’t need to keep my mouth shut anymore. Kept my mouth shut for 40 years, now I will tell you, not one single IR astronomer gives a rats arse about CO2. Just to let you know how stupid the global warming activists are, I’ve been to the south pole 3 times and even there, where the water vapor is under 0.2 mm precipitable, it’s still the H2O that is the main concern in our field and nobody even talks about CO2 because CO2 doesn’t absorb or radiate in the portion of the spectrum corresponding with earth’s surface temps of 220 to 320 K. Not at all. Therefore, for Earth as a black body radiator IT’S THE WATER VAPOR STUPID and not the CO2.


    And of that 3% of CO2 that may contribute, mankind represents an astoundingly less than 10% – or 1/3 of 1% of the maybe possible “warming”. However, natural annual variation is 2 to 5x larger than mankind’s production, so there is no way to actual measure the effects of human production as it is “lost in the data noise” of natural variation – like you rattling a paint shaker while its running.

    Spitting in the ocean, JAC, spitting in the ocean

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  17. plainlyspoken says:

    Just finished watching the movie ‘The Butler’ a short time ago. Interesting enough movie, based on a true story. For us, we found it embarrassing to white American society.

    The only objection my wife and I had was the part Jane Fonda played as Nancy Reagan.

    • If your white, you are the enemy of the LEFT. White privilege and all. It’s bad to be white. Like being bad to being a Christian. You will hear Christian privilege quite soon as well. You DON”T want my opinion.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        So why is it that the most uber-liberal’s are extremely wealthy white people? Power!!!
        The only folks I’d really call racist are the liberals. As a group, liberals, have to define everything by race, color, gender, sexual persuasion etc. which to me is racist to its core. The conservatives rarely do so and if they do, it is usually as an individual not a group.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          We will not go into 40-50 years ago with the likes of George Wallace and the south. Oh, but he was a democrat and so was the deep south. All of the mayors of the cities that had major race riots, LA 1964, Detroit 1967, Newark, 1967 were all democrats. With the exception of George Romney gov of Michigan, CA and NJ were democrats, and George was pretty liberal like his son Mitt.

      • plainlyspoken says:

        I was not subscribing our embarrassment in a political sense of being made to feel embarrassed.

        White society – at least a large portion of it – was an embarrassment because of the way we treated blacks. You can not lay this treatment at the feet of political will. It was no different in how – at one time – Chinese were treated, or Native Americans, or Vietnamese, or Irish, or on and on. Whites do not have clean hands in the overall history of the way we treated non-whites.

        You can blame the politicians (of any political persuasion ) for the laws that were put into effect that were discriminatory, whether immigration acts, marriage laws, etc.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          The Whites did not venture into the interior of Africa until the mid to late 1800’s. Well after the “slave trade” was ended. They purchase them on the coasts at markets run generally by Arabs moslems. The Blacks sold captured “enemy” tribes usually to Arabs for the markets. Europeans have generally gotten off scot free on slavery even though they were the proprieters of the majority of the trade. Most folks do not remember the violent wars in the 60’s against the Belgiums and the Portugese in the Congo and Angola and several other African countries. and Not to excuse our behavior though. Other countries had slavery of any race, but the US codified it like no other country in history. I’ll dig out a very good essay on racisim by Jose Marti way back in the 90’s, 1890’s that is. I translated it from the original Spanish and the “Black” lady who presented it in college was booed and hooted from the lecture by her “Black” fellow students. The tribes in Africa are continuing to demonstrate extreme racism through genocide neighboring different tribes. M/E secular extermination just based on a different variation of the same religion. Heck. Cortez did not conquer Mexico with his several hundred conquistadors. He had several thousand Mexican tribesman assisting against the hated Aztecs. My point is that the Democrats tried even after the Civil War, had on their presidential platform an attempt to return to the status quo, of “down on the plantation”. They finally succeeded with the Jim Crow laws initiated in South Carolina. W.E.B Debois wrote a very good analysis on the “race” riots in Wilmington NC. Basically a tactic was used by the deposed planters from political power to wipe out and divide the blacks, poor white farmers and republican control of NC politics. The NY Times even then reported falsely thousands of bodies floating down the Fear River. A few handful really were killed before the leaders both black and white said this is bullshit and propaganda and before real problems started saner heads prevailed. The State election however turned on that event an the Democrats took over and the Jim Crow laws were enacted and never have let up. Raleigh has the right to over rule any local law passed that they do not like.
          I remember my Father returning from a business trip to DC in the 50’s. He was working on a Pentagon contract and one of his co-managers was black. They were refused hotel rooms in our nations capital. He was so pissed off and never forgot that incident as long as he lived.
          The anti-immigration laws of the 20’s were quite draconian and to some degree a result of the Red scares and the Sacco Vincenti case in Boston. Later forensics proved they never had anything to do with the killings. “False Flag” However by cutting off the flow of immigrants also cut the cheap labor available for the factories, contributing to one of the several causes of the great depression. Some of the industries have never recovered. The early Union leader were all for the Immigration laws of the 20’s.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          Nor does any other society including blacks themselves. By ridiculing leaders like Colin Powell and Condelezza Rice, Bill Cosby and Clarence Thomas as “Uncle Toms” they are digging their own hole in a way by realy demanding separate but equal and really not getting on with life and blending with society. Generalities of course. But look at the hash made of most of the inner cities run by Blacks and enabled by huge infusions of Federal money. The biggest racists I’ve met are people from Europe. Couldn’t understand how we can stand the black’s. They have the counter problem with Muslims and Jews. Japan it is literally impossible to become “Japanese” unless you are blood decended. They still do not allow Muslims to become citizens. Germany did not allow until 1999 foreigners with long term residency to be citizens. Now Merkel is saying the experiment is over.

          • Dale, I watched Merkel on TV six months ago…..they are not going admit anymore Muslims, allow them on their perks, and not allow them citizenship, and are going to start deportations. The main reason according to Merkel……the refusal to assimilate and adhere to German traditions and customs.

            • Dale A. Albrecht says:

              While I was teaching in Amsterdam in 2001, just before 9/11 the Dutch were getting very upset and vocal with the immigration problem of the Muslims. Their continued refusal to assimulate and be “Dutch”. There were 600,000 in Rotterdam itself. They can’t be that upset though, because later Van Gogh was killed on the streets by Muslim gangs, and the government is continuing to prosecuting and jailing anyone who objects as hate mongers. I flew back to the States 1 day before 9/11. Had to pass through 9 security checks in the Schiphol before boarding, Only US bound airplanes, and 3 more besides customs at Dulles.
              Also that year there and all the BBC reported was racism in America………..
              “Oldham, Burnley and Bradford experienced violence which saw hundreds of young Asian men (Pakistani and Bangladeshi) take to the streets.
              In contrast, some other areas of the country with similarly high levels of ethnic diversity, such as Birmingham and Leicester, saw no trouble at all.

              So what happened in these towns?

              The riots in Oldham took place over three successive nights in May and resulted in 86 police officers being injured. The next area to see violence was Burnley, resulting in clashes between hundreds of white and Asian youths and widespread damage to property and businesses.

              Finally, on 7 July 2001, the worst of the violence erupted in Bradford when 1,000 young men brought widespread destruction to the Manningham area. Some 120 police officers were injured in the violence that sent shockwaves through the country.

              I have no trouble with immigration from south of the border as long as it is controlled like the way Texas is handling the job, as opposed the the Feds method. Our bretheren from the south are not a complete antethesis to our culture, being predominantly Catholic. Great folks to party with, better than most white guys parties. Europe has a completely different problem being the majority of the immigrants, legal and illegal are muslim and their goal is to have the cresent on top of St Pauls.

              • A story of today! We have a family up the road, the father is a Mexican immigrant and still speak broken English. Great family, 6 kids, the Mother is Caucasian and has a child from 1st marriage, who is black. They all act and treat people the same, never an issue with race or anything. We give them eggs all the time and never ask anything in return. Today, with Mr. Martinez on layoff from his construction job, he and his oldest son (who I will be taking deer hunting as a mentor) just showed up and shoveled all the snow from the driveway, which is not small by any stretch. At least a quarter mile long.

                With that said, I have no problems with immigrants coming to live the dream. I do have problems with those who want to change said dream 😉

              • plainlyspoken says:

                I do have problems with those who want to change said dream

                But G, you want to change the dream too. 😉

    • While being an American and a great lover of this country and accepting that American society has to and has “grown” the past 200 years I can accept no personal guilt for things done in the past.

      Grandpa arrived in 1905, he arrived to a country that had little use for eastern Europeans whose customs and culture were far different. Nevertheless grandpa saw America as a far better place than the one he left. He also passed this thought on to his own children. I never heard my father disparage anyone because of race. To be honest, he was a bit wary of the Irish. In PA coal country the Irish were not exactly friendly and welcoming to Slavs. Then again, my people were brought into coal country to undercut the Irish and their unions. I don’t think my dad ever thought about that part. The murder of Jock Yablonski by Tony Boyle of the UMW in ’69 only seemed to reinforce my dad’s scepticism.

      In any event I am appalled at the way people of the time treated people of color. I am ashamed of them as “Americans” but not as a member of the supposed white, privileged race. I’ll never forget my first real girlfriend’s uncles comment when I arrived for Christmas dinner at his house in ’67 or ’68 (pre-Archie Bunker), “Joanie, the Polack is here!”

      • plainlyspoken says:

        I can accept no personal guilt for things done in the past.

        Nope, not feeling guilty or asking/telling others to feel/ guilty either. Just said it is embarrassing – big difference.

        Being from southeastern Wisconsin, I can regularly recall the terms Polack, Kraut, etc., being used by adults around me. Then as a kid I didn’t feel like the adults were being derogatory towards them – unlike using the “N” word, yet today I can understand why it was not the way to address people of other cultures.

        You mention Archie Bunker (Carroll O’Connor, “All In the Family” tv show for you youngsters out there), which I find interesting in that “Polack” was an acceptable term on the show by the networks in those days. My how things have changed.

        • You could probably still use Polak, or even Mick. Everything else is off the table.

          You are right. I heard every ethnic “nickname” growing up too. It was almost never derogatory except for the N-word. In my house, that was completely off the table. My dad knew it was not used “lightly” . He was so funny in so many ways. he predicted that there would be one hell of a lot more trouble integrating the North than the South post 1965. Just as soon as school busing was started in Boston, he was proved right.

          Someday, I have to sit down and compile a list of every racial slur name i have ever heard. Wonder how many there are?

          • plainlyspoken says:

            Using the “N” word in our house was a sure trip to the woodshed. We were taught it was never to be used in any sense.

            Funny how when we moved to Georgia (and later Florida) in 1970 I heard people (not family) using it regularly. It was used with extreme prejudice by so many whites. In fact, on my first day of school I got into a fight when a white kid used it against a black kid in the hallway. I got a 3 day suspension on that first day of school. I couldn’t understand how anyone could find the word acceptable – and still can’t when I hear blacks calling other blacks that.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        I’m sure you’ve heard one like this.(True story) An uncle of mine one Christmas said to me ” you speak several languages don’t you” I replied, “French, German and Italian besides English.” He said, you know no Polish?, “NO” said I, you don’t understand any Polish? NO, you can’t read any Polish? NO I don’t. Well he said, “How does it feel to be stupider than a Polack”
        One of my great grandfathers came here from Prussia in 1896. Gave up everything. Started digging vegetables on Long Island, found out there was money to be had in the mines in Scranton Wilkes/Barre PA. Raised some more capital, bought an 800 acre farm, family still owns it and is situated on the gas fields. Family spread to include, German, Polish, Czech, Austrian, Russian, Lithuanian. Another leg came up the Mississippi and settled in the Dakotas before coming east. One of the old family farms is where the Buffalo Bills stadium is. They include French, Spanish, Polish and German and English. The current generation has added Croatian, Romanian, Turkish, French Canadian and Scot.

  18. Hey……you ” Yankees ” like Texas yet? We are producing propane as fast as we can along with heating oil….why don’t you upper east coast folks quit yelling global warming and start drilling your own reserves up there…you have plenty. You would not be so cold!

    • gmanfortruth says:

      We here in PA drill our own natural gas, via franking. It’s cold outside but nice and toasty inside. Other than the foot of snow, it’s not too bad. 🙂

    • Andrew Cuomo!!!! That’s why.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Not a Yankee. Lived most of my life south of the Mason Dixon line or overseas. With 8-12 inches of snow projected for coastal Carolina, Texas is looking awfully good right now. Are you also protecting your northern borders?

  19. plainlyspoken says:

    US condemns Afghan order to free 37 ‘Taliban prisoners’

    Well damn those Afghani’s for making their own decisions independent of what the USA thinks. I thought they had been bettered trained to be subservient to the occupying power?

    Tsk, tsk.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Actually not that straight forward. Many in the Afghan legislature are howling foul. Seems these releases come from the Head Masters office.

      • plainlyspoken says:

        What else – in the long run – should we expect?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Another Civil War in Afghanistan, like the last one that brought the Taliban into power.

          • plainlyspoken says:

            Yes, it will likely happen. I don’t want the USA involved in propping up one side or the other. Time to come home and stop this insanity.

          • too late…it does not have to happen…Taliban already have it

            • plainlyspoken says:

              That is an outcome that would have been apparent at the start. Once our troops leave – if any leader has the nuts to pull em all out – the Taliban will get things back to the way they had it when we invaded in the first place.

  20. Just A Citizen says:

    Good example of State level action to fix out of control govt actions. This happens because Voting does matter.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Yup, making new laws to protect people from those they voted for is certainly proof that voting works. If one considers that the need to have protection against lawfully elected people as proof, you now have it. 🙄

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Your argument amounts to claiming that a decision to change where you cross a creek because you fell through the ice at the other location is futile. After all, you DECIDED to cross the creek once and it did not work. So why would you EVER DECIDE to cross the creek ever again.

        • My argument amounts to just doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That’s what most of us call insane or stupid, I’ll let you decide which works best 🙂

    • JAC….do you remember the saga of the Trans Texas highway here that Governor Perry tried to do? He tried through imminent domain to take ranch land deemed necessary for this highway from Mexico to Canada? He even had outside funding for it from overseas, where this was going to be a toll road…..Do you remember that the ranchers and the public met officials at the gate, guns in hand, and said you will not take my land? It went no further and came very close to costing him an election. He has since then abandoned the idea, of course…….

      The msm made little note of it except a piece from some obscure newspaper that ridiculed Texas and its backwards ways…..maybe so…..but everybody still has their land.

      • Every state that would have had something to do with it…Oklahoma, Kansas,etc…was watching Texas as the first segment had to begin here…….lo and behold… out of the country funded new toll road.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Good morning my Texican friend. Hope all is well and at least warming down your way.

        Yes I do remember very well.

        Although I expect the ELITE will not just give up. Expect it to come back in various forms over time.

        Looks like a good time to pick up some cattle from California and good prices. If your so inclined.

        Say howdy to the Missus for me.

        • Warming here? Are you kidding? 31 today with 40 mph gusts??????? But, it is only supposed to last two days….then the 70;s

          • Just A Citizen says:


            Yes warming……….as in a “trend” of getting warmer than it has been.

            Did you get my note on the snow level at Tahoe??

            Per my friends, they were fighting a fire at Tahoe this past week. A campfire that got away.

            IN LATE JANUARY for crying out loud.

            • Yes, I got your message and then I checked all the snow bases around there……21 inches was the deepest and that is nothing. Only one ski run had 50 percent lifts open….most were around 25%…..going East to Utah…….their base is 88 inches….and in Colorado, Purgatory, the average base is 121 inches.

    • plainlyspoken says:

      I like the provisions in this Virginia bill, but I have to wonder to myself what liability protection these local pols have – forcing the taxpayers to foot the losses incurred to the pols when they lose and are found liable?

      If all politicians could be personally sued and had to pay out of pocket any damages awarded then maybe these pols would more careful in tossing out laws to live by like they were pennies to the poor.

  21. Mathius™ says:

    “Is anyone else tired of winter?”


    • plainlyspoken says:

      I’m not. Need a couple more months here to get more snow melted into the ground. Fire season is approaching soon enough.

    • Now that I am a retired person and can leisurely wake up, have two mugs of coffee then go outside to leisurely shovel out my not-too-long driveway, I enjoy winter. If I should get tired, I return inside, have more coffee and listen to all news all the time saying to myself , as the traffic report reports massive delays on the George Washington Bridge, “Thank God I’m retired.” Some day you too will have the opportunity. Savor it when it comes.

    • No when is it going to start?

  22. Listen to this.

    When you realize how fucked up Liberals are, you too might think about a real Revolution.

  23. Wendy Davis at it again…..

    Her campaign has been making fun of Greg Abbott and being a paraplegic….now questioning the fact that he has been in a wheel chair for over 30 years saying he needs to prove it.

    Wendy Davis campaign is that Texas needs to stop drilling for oil and gas and endorse Obama’s green technology. Let me get this straight…the bread and butter of Texas is the energy field and she is running to ……close it down.

    Wendy Davis campaigning on adopting the EPA rules on energy…the same as the coal industry has had to do.

  24. Did I mention that the Wendy Davis campaign wants to sponsor changing the names of several football teams in Texas: Texas Tech Red Raiders is violent, combative, and an offense to Indians, TCU Horned Frogs is an endangered Species,….Texas Longhorns depicts a violent and disparaging rendition of an otherwise docile species…Rice Owls depicts an endangered species of barn owls….Southwest Texas Rebels depicts a slave era….All high school and junior high football teams that have aggressive animals or depictions towards Indians or warriors is counter productive.

    Ok….let’s break this down…..The Texas Tech Red Raiders mascot is……a black caped rider with a mask that looks like Zorro……nothing to do with Indians. A horned Frog is indeed an endangered species….and I am sure is prevalent on football fields to ge squashed into non existence….A Longhorn she considers docile….even cowboys that know how to handle them give them wide berths…far from docile. The Rice Owls…..ummmm…note to Wendy Davis… is not a barn owl and they are predators. Rebels……living in the past and assuming that rebels is a southern tradition….seems I remember that the 13 colonies were established by…..rebels.

    So, Lions, Tigers, Bears (oh my) outlaws, raiders, etc…..are to be replaced by Koalas, chickens, hamsters…………oh boy.

    So, she is attacking…the oil industry, the gas industry, and blue chip high school football….and wants to be governor.

    • plainlyspoken says:

      And I thought all airheads were from California!

    • Strange people those Democrats. Maybe someone should suggest renaming a football team “Conservatives, Founding Fathers, Constitutionalists, Republicans, FREE Texans Etc. That might make her shut her trap, LOL.

      A nice sunny brisk morning here in NW Pa. The temp is minus 11 and not expected to get above zero. A heat wave coming for the weekend, highs around 32 🙂

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Nope, they also come from Rhode Island. Just was reading her profile. It doesn’t look like she can count having principles as a virtue. She sounds like a typical late 20th century person. You should be proud to have such a suffering and victimized women as governor. (please note the sarcasm)

      I hope not to many Californians and New Yorkers and New Englanders have upset the demographics in your large population centers.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Re: Docile Longhorns………………..Agreed. The woman has obviously NEVER been near the working end of a Lariat.

      She probably thinks a Maverick was some young gunman who played cards and schmoozed with ladies all the time.

      I have been following the left’s responses to the”sexist” and “misogynistic” attacks on poor Wendy Davis, It is quite interesting watching them try to play down her slight family history amnesia.

      But then this was the Party who blew off Bill Clinton’s infidelities as a “vast right wing conspiracy”.

      Best to you this fine morning Sir.

  25. Meanwhile…at the State of the Union……..

  26. plainlyspoken says:

    “We have sacrificed 12 years of blood and treasure to help secure a stable future for the Afghan people,” Shaffer said.

    And likely the idiot “leadership” of the USG will happily sacrifice more Americans to “secure a stable future” for the Afghans over the next 12 years.

    Our government is too damn stupid to call it quits and realize, just like the Soviets, we won’t “win”.

  27. So what will Pres Smokey Pants say tonight during the “State of the Usurped” Address? Here are a few things that I think he/she might say and what’s missing:

    1: “Million of Americans who didn’t have healthcare have signed up and now have it”
    Should read: “Millions of Americans who couldn’t keep their plans remain uninsured because the cost is to high”

    2: “We need more of the young and healthy to sign up to get costs under control”
    Should read “How can we expect the young and healthy to sign up when many can stay on the parents plans until they’re 26?” Who’s the idiot that thought of this?

    3: “We need to invest in our childrens education”
    Should read: “We need to spend more money on our indoctrination of our children, so they can be good citizens and obey their government”

    4: “My administration will be more transparent”
    Should read: “You still won’t know shit about anything”

    5: “We need to investigate the IRS”
    Should read: We need to push the IRS forward to harass our political opponents even harder now”

    There’s a few, anybody got some more?

  28. Just A Citizen says:

    Interesting couple of comments at Am. Thinker in an article on the Dark Enlightenment (DE). I posted here because they are talking about Anarchy as a potential BETTER way.


    I think the reason some conservatives look askance at DE is that there is an undercurrent of anarchy – rejection of government in general, not the desire for chaos – present in the trend toward libertarianism.

    The orthodoxy taught for millenia is that anarchy is synonymous with chaos, but some have woken up to the understanding that people can voluntarily cooperate in an organized fashion without government.

    Dlanor > Countryman

    Yes, voluntary cooperation is preferable over gov force. Voluntary cooperation needs to evolve. Even chaos is bound by underlying rules. Civilization adds layers of man made rules on top. It is better that such man made rules be based on traditional wisdom of the community. But divided communities tend to destroy traditions or to pit them into uncooperative competition. It’s odd that Hilary preaches that “it takes a village,” but then she wants to bring in thugs and authorities paid by a crony aristocracy to rule the village. Compassionately, of course. She would say, once those who know best are ruling, what difference does the village make?

    • Funny, I don’t think we need “anarchy” so to speak. While I think we could survive just fine, if not thrive, without the current Federal Government, They can be useful when it comes to “managing” some things that our society could benefit from. For now, fire all the bastards, they’re like a cancer on our society.

      • Serious questions. Who would do the firing? How is it supposed to go down? Then who would be in charge? And for how long? And what’s the agenda? Then what?

        • Who would do the firing? The people, with the help of the military if needed.
          How is it supposed to go down? I think supposed is a hard word, let’s say preferred, and that preference would be peacefully.
          Then who would be in charge? The Governors of the States would assume control over the military until a new, uncorruptable government can be elected. What I mean by uncorruptable, unable to pass laws or do anything NOT specifically outlined in the Constitution (that is 18 things currently).
          And what’s the agenda? Freedom from government intervention in our lives (Feds only).
          Then what? We keep more of our hard earned money, the Feds only do what they are designed to do and there will be no more issues forced upon the American people.

          Scared yet? 🙂

          • Just A Citizen says:

            INSANITY must be positively correlated to Low Temperatures.

            • The cold clears the mind of propaganda. Just vote JAC, that’s all you can do. Maybe by the time your Great Great Great Grandchildren grow up the corruption will have magically gone away, because people kept voting, BWAHAHAHA

            • Insanity= Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

              • plainlyspoken says:

                I find that to be just as much fantasy as ridding the nation of the federal government. Sorry.

              • I don’t think we will ever be rid of the Feds, but I’m not going to believe in the fantasy that elections can change anything. The corruption is only growing, and it will grow a little more after the next election legitimizes their actions. All the while they will sit back and laugh at how well the illusion still works. 🙄

            • plainlyspoken says:

              It’s only an exercise in fantasy anyway. We know damn well government will never allow itself to be reduced or eliminated anyway. lol. This is just like buying a lotto ticket and talking about how you’d spend it if you won.

              • Correct, wishful thinking at the most. One day my ideas will seem like a great idea compared to what is going to happen. I just can’t see the 17 trillion dollar gorilla ending well.

              • It can happen. Just vote in those who only had intentions of serving 4 years. Their agenda would be to cut government. Over and over and over again, vote only for people to serve 4 years. Lots of old guys won’t be back by choice as it could turn around within 10 years.

          • Not yet. You’ve laid out a vague plan. You say the people will do the firing. What? They’ll just go knock on the door and ask to speak to the president? I’m getting picky, I know, and I know you don’t really have an answer. I’m very curious, though, how something like firing them would go. There are many groups hollering, even protesting, but I haven’t seen anything coming close to scaring the 535. I still say it has to go through the ballot box. That’s going to take a while. I started 4 years ago by not voting in any incumbents.

            • Your only voting for the choices THEY give you. If you don’t believe me, would you believe Glenn Beck? Go back to Ron Paul running for The GOP nomination, even Romney admits he stole the nomination from Paul.. The establishment will NEVER allow anything to get in their way. Sen. Shumer, I think, was openly talking about the IRS targeting the Tea Party. The evidence is so openly clear, it boggles my mind that it is just being ignored.

              • OK so nothing is going to break the fed’s back. What makes you think they will allow you (the people) to fire them. You want everything to collapse. I’m still wondering how that will happen when you say it can’t happen.

              • Just A Citizen says:


                They?? And just who is that? Lets see some actual NAMES.

                Tell us how THEY control who you vote for.

                “Establishment”?? Ah yes, that amorphous, non-descript, specter of rhetoric right out of the 60’s. The “Man” is keeping us down.

                Until you realize there is no IDENTITY you can call “establishment”, that “they” is a diversity of people all vying for power and the only reason they seem the same is because MOST PEOPLE share the same values, your ranting will be nothing but that. Ranting.

                Fire them, but don’t vote. We will change the system with a new Govt, but not by voting. It will be PEACEFUL but we will use the military to overthrow the Govt.

                I suggest more time around the wood stove and less time in the freezing air. You are mistaking cloudy and clarity I am afraid.

              • I would not prefer a collapse, believe me. I think that will just make the Feds worse rather than better. We both know that 97% of the people have no clue what’s going on outside of their little bubble. The people will not rise up, at least not until things go to hell, or the Govt starts with some kind of population control agenda (That’s another story for another day).

                Electing people they choose for you to elect, even with term limits changes nothing but the faces.

        • plainlyspoken says:

          Anita, the colonies got along governing themselves reasonably before there was a federal government.

          So, let the states figure out what they feel they need that the feds do now, maybe hire those working for the feds in those areas and for the rest, well pink slips I guess would be the best way. Give 3 months notice (an arbitrarily chosen number) notice and then they are out of work.

          Or, if it makes everyone feel better, dismantle the feds one agency at a time.

          • No doubt it would be hard for awhile. Once the Feds are gone, business’s will start up and grow, college education will become affordable, a better education system as a whole would flourish. Most importantly, the 2 party system would be destroyed, opening up elections for good people who would serve the public, rather than try to rule them.

            • plainlyspoken says:

              Most importantly, the 2 party system would be destroyed

              What makes you think this? The 2 party system is just as entrenched in the state level of government as it is in the federal level.

              • Because that would be part of the new Federal election laws. THEY (the 2 parties) are the problem, take away the power of the Feds and the rest will go away from the fear. When a few life sentences are handed out for treason and the corruption is exposed, who would want to associate with them?

              • plainlyspoken says:

                Um, you would restrict the free association of individuals from maintaining their political party or being involved in elections? How is that improving freedom at all?

                How is what they’ve done treason? Corruption maybe, but treason?

  29. Just A Citizen says:

    A little unsolicited fear mongering this morning. But not the usual kind.

    Note: The Danish study linking the weakening magnetic field to global warming.

    • I read this last night. Interesting that some are still claiming that there is “global warming” when the facts don’t substantiate it. Although I would think that a weakened atmosphere would allow more heating from the sun.

    • plainlyspoken says:

      Is this where we start the chicken little act? 🙂

  30. JAC,, Down here 🙂

    THEY refers to the elite ruling class. THEY control the money, the 2 political parties, who gets to run for President, who gets to win elections and so on. It’s all about money and power. We are not invited to their parties, except to clean up the mess. THEY, are not interested in the working class, jobs, abortion, global warming or even what the people think. THEY only care about their power and place in their small society. They already have all the money, because they control the fiat. They can crush the people just by crushing the fiat. If they want riots, they can cut off the welfare payments. If they want popularity, they can cause a horrific event and then become heroes by getting the “boogieman” on behalf of the people. THEY love people like you, because you and those like are the useful one’s who ensure their power will never be challenged.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Just more rhetoric G. IDENTITY who “they” are.

      There is no “ruling class” per se. You cannot identify the players because they change all the time. When you group ALL the elite or successful people into ONE GROUP you fail to recognize the diversity of goals, objectives and values within that group.

      You become part of the CONFUSION because you recognize no difference between a Soros and a Koch brother.

      The “MAN” has got you under his boot. But until you can identify the man you can’t do anything to relieve the pressure on your neck.

    • I think THEY are YOUR boogiemen. 😉

  31. Plainly, Interesting question about the parties, but NO, the parties would still be allowed to exist, but the money spent on elections would be reduced to the point that any citizen could stand to win an election, rather than just those with the most money to spend.

    Treason: Giving guns and money to organizations that the govt has claimed to be our enemies (terrorists) such as Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood etc. They have admitted to this. As far as I’m concerned, our National Debt is an act of treason against the people. But that’s just me I guess.

    Don’t worry, nothing is going to change. We can talk about it forever, but even those who are conservative can’t agree on what should happen. That’s why most of my time is dedicated to deer hunting. It’s actually productive. 🙂

    • plainlyspoken says:

      Ah yes, campaign finance reform…..hasn’t really reformed yet when it has supposedly happened. lol.

      Also, I doubt you could prove treason happened since the “enemies” weren’t our enemies when the aid was given.

      18 U.S. Code § 2381 – Treason

      Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

  32. Just A Citizen says:


    Here is the basic or core answer to your inquiry.

    We have only TWO options. That is the broader Strategic Options.

    1. Do nothing, which in reality means to “WITHDRAW” from participating in the system. Now some action might be used here, but it would be focused on getting others to wake up and withdraw as well. Notice which groups are using this strategy and tactic.

    2. Fight for change. Here is the harder course for each of us. It requires much work and will take a long time. Frustration and setbacks will have to be dealt with. And of course there are “many” tactics that can be deployed. But the more general is pretty clear to me.

    We need to establish once again some Core Principles among our fellow citizens that are accepted by a larger majority. WE the people need to remember what it is that makes us Americans. Maybe that will not be what you and I want, but WE need to discover once again what that is.

    Assuming our version wins out, then WE need to get control of 3/4 of the State Legislatures. The State Convention to Amend the Constitution is probably the only way to cause a more long lasting change.

    Meanwhile, elect as many Ted Cruz’s and Rand Pauls as we can find.

    • Right. Good luck getting those Core Principles defined though. Here’s a guy trying to figure it out . Some of this is hard to follow, but I get the general idea. It’s about gay marriage but it’s also about the principles.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Actually, MOST Americans already share some important Core Principles.

        The problem is more with HOW to form govt per those principles. That is why our version of Govt always seems in conflict or contradiction.

        These include, freedom, liberty, a strong sense of Justice as in fairness. One reason the left likes to pay on “fairness” in order to manipulate the voters.

        Oh, and supporting the Little Guy over the Big guy. Which is used to play us against the “Rich” or the “Elite”. Very easy to portray them as “against” the little guy.

        Now, as I have shown these are not enough and some are contradictory as well. But they have been there for a long time.

        We need to remember that issues like Abortion or Gay Marriage are NOT Core Principles.

        The Core informs how to properly deal with issues like these.

        Social Norms are NOT Core Principles. The former can change often while the latter should change rarely.

        • So what is your plan to overcome the Left wing media, Hollywood, the liberal education system and all the 10’s of billions being spent to do exactly the opposite of what you would like to do?

    • plainlyspoken says:

      It requires much work and will take a long time.

      Take out “a long time” and replace it with “lifetimes.”

      Do nothing, which in reality means to “WITHDRAW” from participating in the system. Now some action might be used here

      Convince the government that for every elected office there must be an “abstain” choice on the ballot and I’ll vote federal elected offices. Plus, then we would see just how much support a candidate has, or doesn’t have.

      I have “participated” in the system since I was 18. Only in the last election did I completely refrain from voting federal candidates. I am tired of a system that isn’t truly an election by the people. If it was there wouldn’t be so many hurdles for candidates not of the major parties to actually run for offices.

  33. Just A Citizen says:

    Talk about DRIPPING with IRONY.

    And nobody points out the obvious to these folks. Kudos to her though for pointing out the issue is really about comfort and easy rather than blatant discrimination. Even if she then goes on and defends the idea that discrimination must be talked about. Good grief.

  34. Dale A. Albrecht says:
    • Just A Citizen says:


      When the Fed govt FINES a STATE or sues in Fed Court and gets a JUDGE to order a STATE to comply then this view is over simplistic in my view.

      Just let a State NOT implement the Clean Water or Clean Air Act or the MINIMUM WAGE laws and see what happens.

      • Yes Dale, they might nuke’em if they don’t obey the almighty Federal Government. 🙄

        JAC, why don’t you just come out and say you want the status quo and all this big government stuff?

        • Did I miss something? You’ve been accusing a lot lately. You really think JAC, or myself..cause I’ve been accused also, are big gov types? Cmon G! FOCUS!

        • plainlyspoken says:

          I would agree with JAC, it is an overly simplistic view. While the 10th Amendment can be used by states through the proper remedy action (i.e. court), it doesn’t give states the power to get away with ignoring the feds until the courts have weighed in on the matter.

          • Now that the courts are just a corrupt as the rest of the Federal government, what now? Sometimes simple is the only answer when all the other answers lead to the very corrupt government your fighting to begin with. Even JAC see “the 9 Wizards in black robes” for what they are.

            When all 3 branches of the Federal government are corrupt, then it’s time for something other than the “status quo”.

            • plainlyspoken says:

              Your “other” option – which I would guess is a general uprising isn’t going to happen since the majority of the population has got the stomach for it. Even in a complete collapse of government, the majority of the people will peacefully cooperate with the first authority that brings order, feeds them, and makes them feel safe – whether a dictatorship, democracy or whatever.

              Which leaves onl the constitutional convention – which I can bet many won’t accept since they can not guarantee their views are enacted.

              Face it G., you’re not going to get the kind of change you want because the majority can’t/won’t/don’t want to do it.

              • plainlyspoken says:

                should be “hasn’t got the stomach for it.”

              • I would agree that the majority lacks any courage whatsoever. But it doesn’t need to be a majority, since most of the majority are clueless anyway. 5% can make a huge impact, even 3 %. So what should I do, just give up and be like the sheeple? Play their game and vote for one of the two they allow to be voted for? Bow down to the almighty Obama, the King? That ain’t me Bro, not by a longshot.

              • I am of the opinion that there are a lot more people like me than anyone thinks 😉

              • Who is bowing? I like how you box everyone in who doesn’t accept your view, Yep we’re all just dumb sheeple. Way to go G!

              • Repeat after me: HIEL OMAMA, OBAMA is KING. Who are you voting for in the next election, option A or option B? They are both puppets and on the same team. After 2016 it will be HIEL HILLARY, Queen of Amerika!

              • Whatever G!

              • Anita, Don’t take it personal, I don’t intend it that way. I know your a very smart person who has your own opinion, which you are entitled too. We CAN’t fix the mess called the Feds, at least not in our lifetimes, unless they completely blow themselves up from within. My gut says we’re screwed, and we’re screwed far worse than we can imagine today. OUR govt is destroying us from within, as most great societies have been done in history.

              • plainlyspoken says:

                Never said you should choose one or the other, or bow down to Obama (or anyone else for that matter). But, you won’t reach the goal of a general uprising either – even if there are many who think like you out there. They’re fractured and isolated from each other and without a cohesive very large group spread across the nation there will be nothing happening G.

                I am curious and have a question. Why are you unwilling to come right out and call for a general uprising against the government to overthrow this tyranny you are so against?

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            Colorado Pot Laws is a very recent case. Duly Licensed shops now selling, collecting and paying taxes. Just like before 1937. Though pot is still illegal under Federal law, they are not the ones doing the licensing, CO is. There is no way the Feds can enforce all their laws without State assets being commandeered. If the State ignores those specific laws the Feds can maybe make an effort of enforcement, but really can not due to limited resources. The Feds made news on a selected arrest in CA on medical marijuana but if they tried to arrest everyone using in the State there would be a lot of vacant houses.
            What the anti-commandeering rulings have been is the Feds can not pass a law, and then commandeer State personnel or assets to enforce them. Two recent SCOTUS rulings on gun registration from the Brady Bill and more recently Medicaid and the ACA.

            • plainlyspoken says:

              There is no way the Feds can enforce all their laws without State assets being commandeered.

              Horse manure. The feds can, and have, shut down the pot shops anytime they choose to send in their enforcement agencies to do so. It has happened here in Colorado


              While the feds had cooperation and assistance of local law enforcement, it would have happened anyway without them if necessary. The locals could have refused and the feds would have carried on.

              So it isn’t that the feds can’t do it, it’s if they choose to or not for some reason.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          I have NEVER claimed to be an Anarchist nor expressed support for the Anarchist view.

          I have NEVER claimed I was a pure “L” Libertarian as I don’t think the Free Market concept will actually solve all problems. The theory that ALL transactions between people can be made commercial doesn’t fit with the reality we live in today nor in the forseeable future.

          I have CLEARLY stated on several occasions what MY VIEW of Govt is and what its proper function. I have also explained some ideas on how to make those changes. All of which would INCREASE Freedom, Liberty and Justice.

          So NO. Once again, I DO NOT SUPPORT THE STATUS QUO.

          • plainlyspoken says:

            lol….calling (or inferring) you are an anarchist is like claiming Black Flag is a card carrying Republican! 🙂

      • plainlyspoken says:

        Plus, the feds will happily withhold federal funds. That is the coercion the feds used with getting states to raise drinking laws to 21. Do it or no federal highway funding.

        • Let the States withhold the funds from ever getting to the feds, then what can the Feds do?

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          What if that highway funding only pertained to the Interstate system and that ends at the off ramp. Let the Feds maintain the I-## system. Gman, which are the better highways in PA the Interstate or the Turnpike? I will not count the city streets in PA they suck. Frost heaves and corrupt union highway contracts. Let the States pay for the State and local rural routes and stop sucking on the Federal tit which 1/2 comes from taxes and the rest printed ghost currency. Set the drinking at 18 if you want and tell those under 21 to stay off the Interstate. Let the Feds patrol the I-## system not the “State” Highway police. I can think of lots of ways to start diffusing the Feds coercive power at the State and local level.

          Granted cameras have been used quite extensively in the UK by the government. In 2001 they really sprang up everywhere like mushrooms after a summer shower. The people and local governments were tearing them down as seriously intrusive. I am not talking about parking areas and shop cameras. I’m talking all along the roads where you can be tracked by camera from Plymouth to the farthest reaches of Scotland. All fines went to the Home office. Once the Home office decided to share the fines with the local governments they then started enforcing the camera vandalism laws. If they stayed off the dole, the cameras would have been mostly destroyed and privacy returned.

          Our States and companies can stop the government collection of information by the NSA, if they chose to. Might get a lot of harrassment and flak but it can be done. Texas seems to be doing OK on the border and other issues the Fed government takes offense to.

          • plainlyspoken says:

            Interstate highways and their rights of way are owned by the state in which they were built. The last federally owned portion of the Interstate System was the Woodrow Wilson Bridge on the Washington DC Capital Beltway. The new bridge was completed in 2009 and is collectively owned by Virginia and Maryland[40] Maintenance is generally the responsibility of the state department of transportation. However, there are some segments of Interstate owned and maintained by local authorities.


            So the feds don’t have to pay or maintain anything on the interstate system since the states own it.

  35. Just A Citizen says:

    Obama and his EO raising the minimum wage for Federal Contracts.

    The LAW governing minimum wages established thresholds for “minimum wage” per criteria established by Congress. The Secretary of Labor is to use methods he deems necessary to identify the wage per those criteria. Such as the “prevailing wage for service employees within the geographic area of the contract”.

    These laws do not give the Secretary nor the President the POWER or AUTHORITY to simply PICK A NUMBER.

    If Obama is going to just pick a number then his decision can be challenged as arbitrary and in violation of administrative procedures.

    The Left Wing, in its usual HYPOCRISY, will claim he has this power. Yet those same people sued Bush for asking Land Mgt Agencies to rewrite certain Roadless rules that were established by Clinton/Gore by the same means of “dictate”. The court found Bush to be ARBITRARY.

    So why was Clinton/Gores decision not arbitrary, Bush’s decision to over turn them was arbitrary, and now Obama’s decision to dictate a minimum wage on Federal Contracts NOT arbitrary???

    Because 9 WIZARDS in Black Robes say so……………………..

  36. Treason anyone? Where are the Tea Partiers? Where is Rand Paul and Ted Cruz?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Nope. NOT TREASON.

      It may be obnoxious but it is not treason.

    • plainlyspoken says:

      I wonder, how do you see the selling of weapons to Iran under Reagan’s administration while there was an arms embargo in place? Or using the funds from those sales to fund the Contra’s in Nicaragua after the Borland Amendment (signed into law by Reagan) prohibited assistance to the Contra’s where it would aid them in their attempts to overthrow the Sandinistas?

      And, yes, I am aware that it is still debatable as to what Reagan did or did not know, though notes of Def Secy Weinburger showed pretty clearly that Reagan wasn’t totally in the dark about the weapons sold to Iran.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        I see them as ILLEGAL.

        It has always bothered me that the Conservative Republicans put Oliver North out there as some kind of hero.

        Odd though that we did not want to arm those fighting against the oppressive Communist Sandanistas but we are willing to arm those “moderate fundamental Muslims” fighting against Monarchies or Dictators.

        • plainlyspoken says:

          I agree with you JAC, they were illegal. Oliver North was fronted as a fall guy – though he was guilty of acts in violation of the law – and the conservatives seem to feel that falling on his sword and “protecting” the President was some noble thing. It was not and should never be looked at in such manner.

          My wife has been to Nicaragua on a medical teaching mission and while the country has a much lower standard in medical care, she found the country to be no different from other societies. The Sandinista government hasn’t been any worse to the country than previous governments (and certainly better than what is going on in Venezuela for example). So it is odd that our government made them such a big boogieman to the American people at the time.

          • I paid a bit of attention to Ortega after the Nicaraguan situation calmed down. To his credit and to his followers credit they actually seemed to learn something along the way. The current government is a lot more moderate than the one originally sought. I like to think that Ortega and his people woke up one morning, as did their counterparts on the other side, and decided that they could accomplish one hell of a lot more by NOT killing each other. Perhaps someday an honest historian will look at all this.

            I often wonder what a paradise and example Cuba could have been if Castro had not been so doctrinaire. As a 13 year old, I remember watching the TV footage of the revolutionaries entering Havana. At the time, I as a naive kid, really though there had been a victory for the people.

            There is something to this Ghandi-Martin Luther King thing if you are willing to pay the price. Mandala is perhaps the exception to the rule because the other two and Michael Collins of Ireland paid with their lives for either giving up or not taking up the gun.

            • I used to argue this in college during Vietnam. I ultimately think the reason it fails is because, peaceful protest, civil disobedience is just not sexy. There are one hell of a lot more Che Guevera T-shirts than Ghandi, Mandela or MLK T-shirts out there.

  37. Remember the Maryland Mall shooting? Yup, No gun Zone and the shooter was a liberal.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      What real meaning does “gun free zone” have when there are millions of guns available just outside that gun free zone.

      People kill people, and people are MOBILE. I suggest the NRA and other pro gun folks start grasping that simple concept. Otherwise they sound “stupid” to most of us and they will certainly not gain any understanding or cooperation from the opposition.

      • Don’t think I’m grasping your point-it seems to me the real crazy’s- that are killing just to kill-tend to go to gun free zones-like schools, restaurants, and mall’s to kill. So what is it that the NRA and gun folks aren’t grasping.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          The NRA, et al, always point out a “gun free zone” as an REASON that gun control does not work.

          Well of course it won’t work if the guns are not controlled outside the Gun Free Zone. That is fallacy number one. This sets up the pro gun group to being ridiculed and losing the argument on Gun Control itself. Because it is pretty rational to expect gun killings to decline if the Guns are taken away. We cannot deny that GUN deaths have declined in other countries that implemented BANS. So Gun Free Zones are not proof that gun control will not work. They are proof that killing will not stop until gun control is expanded beyond these zones.

          The second is that this argument IGNORES the violence that does not happen BECAUSE it is a Gun Free Zone. I know this is a speculative claim. But it is the same argument in reverse when we say Police Patrols can in fact PREVENT crime.

          The GUN debate should never be waged on the basis of effectiveness or the details of what does or does not work. It is an issue of BASIC Rights as well as Constitutional Rights.

          • Okay, I see your reasoning but 🙂 it is not the whole argument-it is simply a part of an argument, the part showing that not allowing protection of some sort leads to crazy people using those places to kill defenseless people-It shows pretty clearly that unless you think you can actually stop gun ownership completely than preventing all legal carry in an area leads to that area being used to kill defenseless people.

            • VH, it is NOT a coincidence that these people pick these places. Many of these attacks are well planned and well thought out, even for a nutcase. Since they mostly kill themselves or are so spaced out in La-La land, nobody will ever know for sure why they pick these places. A lot could be JAC’s idea of making the news. Lots of people in one place, attacking those who cannot fight back. They’re mostly cowards who kill themselves in the end, which is most likely the plan as well.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Why do we claim cowardice for someone who kills himself? Especially with a gun.

                What takes GREATER courage? To simply give up and go to jail where you are taken care of for life, or pulling the trigger on yourself?

              • Watch it JAC — you’re in danger of having a Bill Maher moment…


              • Well G-I think both you and JAC are partially right-some nuts go to specific places because they have a specific greivance and others pick areas where they feel they can kill the most before the police arrive. I just don’t feel it’s worth arguing over-the point to me is that people are being forced to be defenseless and that is JAC’s point of arguing based on ones rights. Nobody should have the right to leave me or anyone else totally defenseless.

              • Now Buck, why would you want to so insult JAC!

            • Just A Citizen says:


              Your very last statement is TRUE. But you see the pro gun crowd will not make that argument. Because it leads to BANNING guns as a plausible solution.

              Like I said, prevention of innocents being killed should be the Goal. As should PROTECTING our Right to Bear Arms.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          One other point. I do not think that crazies go to Gun Free Zones because they are gun free zones.

          I think they go there because that is where they want to invoke their violence. There is almost always some grievance tied to the location. In others it is about making a SPLASH in the news.

          So the reverse is probably closer to the truth. We have assigned Gun Free Zone status to those places where crazies would most likely attack……….. anyway.

          Which raises the true issue in my mind. That being HOW to secure or reduce Fatalities at these locations.

          This can easily be done. All that is needed is commitment and MONEY. However, many of us would not like or tolerate the inconvenience.

          • I don’t know that it matters whether or not crazy people pick gun free areas on purpose-what matters is how much damage they can do when they get there-because there is no defense against them

            Not saying there can’t be protection without individuals being allowed to carry-but in a lot of cases there either isn’t any or there’s not enough.

            • Just A Citizen says:


              Outside the school situation, the vast majority of people do not carry guns to the Mall or some other public place where they work or shop. Except in Texas of course. 😉

              And of course, some people do carry in these places, despite the notice of “no guns”.

              Truth is that the ODDS of a gun toting “good guy” being at the right spot to prevent the “bad guy” from shooting up the place is pretty small. Unless MORE people are willing to carry guns into these locations.

              Which in turn increases the RISK of bad things happening out of some fit of emotion. Cue here to the ex Cop killing a guy over using a cell phone in the theater.

      • “Gun Free Zones” or “No Gun Zones” are a government idea, not the NRA. They became popular as the new conceal carry laws were enacted and the laws disallowed the “legal conceal carry” in places like schools. They (the laws/government) thusly named them what they are, or in reality, areas that the law deemed free of guns that people can legally carry. Business owners were given the same legal protection at their place of business (just don’t tell a gay you won’t bake a cake on your property).

        This seemed like a good idea at the time (many years ago). But now, as the “gun free zones” as the government so aptly named, became magnets for maniacs hellbent on killing innocent people.

        So, with that said, the NRA has nothing to do with “No gun Zones” or “Gun Free Zones”, that is an action of lawmakers. So when the next nutcase decides to kill a bunch of innocent people in a “no gun zone” you can blame the government for disallowing good people to defend themselves against evil. This has NOTHING to do with the NRA, other than their well deserved dislike for these zones.

        • plainlyspoken says:

          (just don’t tell a gay you won’t bake a cake on your property).

          Gman, I know, as I am sure the rest here at SUFA do, that you’re a decent guy at heart. That being said, I have to say that this statement in your comment was a cheap shot and very much beneath you.

          • He has a point though.

            Government contradicts itself with regard to property rights.

            Government recognizes property rights with regard to firearms, but not in the case where both property rights, time/life, and religious beliefs are relevant?

            If the bakery can decide not to allow firearms, then why can’t they refuse service?

            Do the gay people somehow have a right to cake, a right to the services of others because of how they have sex? Does it trump the right to property and freedom of religion?

            • plainlyspoken says:

              I am not saying there isn’t a point to be argued, but without cheap shots. Though business owners should have the right to serve whom they choose to, I have to ask then can that business owner of your local diner choose to serve gays or blacks in segregated areas? Or do we condone those separate seating areas?

              In the end how far doe we go with the 14th Amendment?

              • Just A Citizen says:


                Business owners should have the right and freedom to serve whomever they choose.

                Govt should NOT have the authority to dictate business practices by creating a “licensing” requirement.

                There is no overwhelming Govt Interest in regulating businesses beyond obvious safety issues.

              • plainlyspoken says:

                Going to reply to you on the new thread JAC.

  38. King Obama speaks tonight, that means a new thread in the morning 🙂

  39. I moved over to new thread!

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