Open Mic Part 10

We got a nice blast of more Global Warming last night, a fresh 6 inches of the white stuff. I really dislike that groundhog, apparently he didn’t get the memo on all this warm weather we were supposed to have. For the record, I wish the Warmers were right ๐Ÿ™‚ Feel free to bring any discussions forward.



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  2. First point of order. Global Warming:

    Todd, the problem with the whole warming issue is that none of the models actually predicted what would happen, the polar ice caps are quite icy, despite Al Gore’s claims they would be gone by now, and there are TWO sides to the whole story. Many scientists say BLAH BLAH and many other scientists say BLAH BLAH back. End result, it’s not an issue that is likely going to harm humanity. If we go back and look at 40 year warming/cooling periods, we can see how near the end of the last “cooling” period, scientist’s were crying wolf over an impending new ice age (remember all that when we were kids?)

    Then, things stopped cooling and we entered a 40 year warming period, and now of course, the scientists are crying wolf over global warming, except now they have a twist. They claim it’s man made and now governments want to steel more money via taxes to curb it. Along came the Kyota Protocol , which many countries signed on to. After the 1st 10 years of this agreement, it had been deemed a failure. It didn’t lower CO2 emissions, but, in fact they continued to grow. Many countries have sinced dropped out countries like Spain are seeing first hand the economic calamity that the actions taken under the agreement have mostly destroyed their economy.

    The reality of both sides of the argument is that there is nothing governments can do, short of a major depopulation, that will not destroy economies. We are at the cusp of seeing this begin to occur, as the Messiah and his Flock are attacking the coal and oil industry, to the extent they can, which is costing jobs and power generation ability. Those decisions are already affecting areas like California and Texas, in the form of rolling blackouts. It will soon extend to the Northeast and Midwest, the beta test is over.

    Lastly, CO2 is one of the most important parts of continued life on earth. Without it, there is no human life and calling it a pollutant is moronic on it’s face. It’s a completely naturally occurring event, coming from many sources, including our own exhales. This is another reason I simply don’t believe in the BS being spewed by bought and paid for scientist’s, the MSM, or any corrupt government. In conclusion, it’s nothing but a LIE, just like the past new ice age scare. The difference today is that corrupt politicians and greedy corporations want to cash out at the peoples expense. That don’t fly with me.

  3. Anita,

    Give up so easily? lmao. I think not. I believe over 30 years of being an active voter gives me the right to call it quits,

    • Luckily, you are FREE to call it quits if that’s your choice. Luckily there are more of us than you. The people have fought against corruption in the past and won. Didn’t we jail a bunch of bankers back in the day? Good thing the people didn’t call it quits back then. We’ve been fighting back these days too. Notice the people’s outrage over gun control. We could just lay down our arms and QUIT, but we haven’t, and we still have our guns. How about the pushback over the gay agenda? Does Chick fil A ring a bell? We didn’t QUIT then. Obamacare? Even the most dedicated liberals are seeing the light there, they have joined the fight. Hobby Lobby, and other christians are in that fight, thank God they haven’t QUIT. Let’s see. The internet. There are millions of people on blogs like this fighting every day for their cause. And Twitter? Can’t hide or backtrack your thoughts once they’re tweeted. How do you think the MSM likes all this new media? It’s our peaceful way of fighting back, not QUITTING. How about all the town halls during the lead up to the ACA. The pols feared the people they represent, and how many were voted out in the last four years. How many will be voted out this year? How many have decided not to run? Why is that? Because they fear losing is probably a close answer.

      I could go on. It’s a tiring fight, I’ll give you that. But WE are the only thing standing between freedom and tyranny. If we QUIT then we’re doomed to tyranny for sure. I’ll take the small victories as we get them. You can QUIT if you like. Are you one of those ” I refuse my consent to be governed” types? Exactly what does that mean anyway?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Done ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Fixed……. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Oh, and VERY WELL said. ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Anita,

        Yep, I QUIT casting my vote in federal elections. Remember the Patriot Act?, Remember the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq? Yes siree, aren’t we lucky! How about the recent debt ceiling vote where Repugs – “your people” stood by and let it pass? How about the 2012 NDAA votes where Repugs in the House overwhelming supported it? How’s all that working out for you? What about the “secure” border? Hell ,Texas seems to do a better job according to the Colonel (a STATE level effort) than the feds will ever do. The ACA was passed by those liberals, now they want to HIDE from the reality of what they did, but they’ll be back right after reelection to make more decisions for “We The People”. How well did those town halls work out for that vote? I don’t think the MSM gives a damn about the blogs and Twitter. It has slowed the devolution of the American press, they still spout whatever line they are directed to by their corporate leadership. Plus, it is not “you” protecting Chik-fil-A or Hobby Lobby, it is their actions in courts trying to maintain their rights. Congress sure seems to ignore their plight. What push back over the gay agenda? You mean the movement to treat a subgroup of society differently because it tarnishes your sensibilities over marriage? There is no satisfactory rational that supports your position other than “tradition”. Pretty much a dinosaur behavior. The true work where the 2nd Amendment is concerned is in the States and in the Courts – not Congress (and the last time I checked “We” don’t get to vote for federal judges).

        I could go on and on as well, but why waste my time? You want this mess, much of it created by the Right, have at it. You and the Tea Party are blowing in the wind, with no real power. If they did they wouldn’t be a subgroup inside the Republican Party. Choosing to withhold my vote is nothing more than electing to show my NO CONFIDENCE in any of the assholes running for or in Congress and I seriously doubt there will be any major philosophical shift in those who choose to run in future. The two parties have it all wrapped tightly in their favor for getting their people on the ballot for national office.

        Keep up the “good” work making America safe that you are doing!

      • I agree with JAC, very well said. Now, let’s look at some things ๐Ÿ™‚
        Didnโ€™t we jail a bunch of bankers back in the day? Which decade are you speaking of? Nobody in the banking business went to jail after the ’08 disaster.
        Notice the peopleโ€™s outrage over gun control? Do you even understand WHY there is outrage? It’s not about self defense from some thug, incase you were wondering. ๐Ÿ™‚
        But WE are the only thing standing between freedom and tyranny. Totally incorrect. Tyranny is alive and well and in full view of everyone everyday. The only thing standing between freedom and total tyranny are 80 million gun owners, hence the fight over gun control. Voting just gives them more energy in DC (not speaking of local elections). They are on the same team and we ain’t invited to their party. Who gave us the Patriot Act? Now, the NDAA? The Food Safety and Modernization Act of 2010 was bipartisan, but equally as dangerous (and could lead to unconstitutional acts). I could go on, but you should get the point. PEACE ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Black Flagยฎ says:

        There is no way your vote counts for anything – subtract your vote from the tally, and the outcome does not change.

        But it is the ideology of voting that keeps you coming back – that you are participating in a game which you utterly, totally, and absolutely are excluded from ever winning.

        You are fooled into such participation, thus, agree to its outcome; which is, you lose.

        • I could sure use a little more of your help around here Pirate ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜Ž

        • You talking to me BF? I tried to follow ‘up’ to wherever you replied from..twice..and got lost twice ๐Ÿ™‚

          I wasn’t necessarily talking about voting. I was talking about the big fight..against government in general. But you probably view the two as the same anyway. Just figured I’d make myself clear.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Still trying to sell that worn out fallacy I see.

          • Black Flagยฎ says:

            No, you thinking voting matters is the deep fallacy.

            Nowhere does your one vote matter.

            Voting does nothing except confirm the process. You do not win, ever.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Unless of course my guy wins.

              Every vote counts and lots of votes can change the future.

              So yes, your pitch is a grand logical fallacy. One constructed by the Anarchist philosophers to rationalize their preconceived notion that nothing short of NO GOVT will ever be right.

              Thus your claim of making no difference is predicated on voting accomplishing the abolishment of Govt. Your right, that won’t happen.

              But that is not what most of us seek. So voting will work if it is measured against a realistic goal.

              • Black Flagยฎ says:

                You vote still didn’t matter.
                Subtract it, and there is no change.
                Add it, and there is no change.

                They count every vote, but votes simply don’t matter.

                You are saying, equally, that a little evil is alright. No, sir. NO EVIL. And government is evil in the purest form.

                You abolish government by retracting, not empowering. Voting empowers. Not voting retracts.

                If no one showed up, there would be no government.

              • Black Flagยฎ says:

                The most vital component of political power is legitimacy.

                Hitler went dutifully to the Reichstag every year to obtain that legitimacy, as did Stalin, Mao, Kim, etc. Even dictators require it.

                No legitimacy, no government.
                Voting grants legitimacy, thus, you have grave evil of government.

            • Just A Citizen says:


              If voting does not make a difference then how did those evil people get into power?

              Oh yeah, they were elected by those who WANTED them to win.

              Just as the Progressives who have a choke hold on this country gained their power by being ELECTED. That means someone VOTED FOR THEM.

              Sorry my friend, but the voting is a waste of time stick is false. You can only make it true by creating false criteria to measure, “making a difference”.

              I understand the legitimacy issue. But we touched this before. The Tyrants don’t run in real elections. They are staged to create the illusion of legitimacy. Everyone knows it is a farce. Yet if they did not vote would the Tyrant give up his power?? HELL NO.

              • Black Flagยฎ says:

                Only evil men seek evil power, JAC, and that is why they always get elected.
                They are men who want to control other men.

                Those that vote for evil do so because they see the short term benefits and riches evil gives them – they do not consider the consequences of such theft and violence, only that they are enriched by it.

                They wish to vote other men’s wealth into their pocket. Voters are not willing to steal outright – too risky – it is better to have evil men with evil promises do it for them.

                The run real elections; if they are not real, they would be unnecessary – yet, they are run, hence necessary for that legitimacy.

                A tyrant who gets unelected is usually hung by his successor. Evil begets evil.

              • Flag,

                The extraordinary challenge of trying to convince someone differently from what they already know is, arguably, as much a waste of time as voting.

              • Minds immune to being changed are not the audience.

                Those whose minds are still open and pondering are the audience.

  4. I read this article and wondered why any court system would even consider wasting prison space on these “criminals”?

    Also, I wonder why the government overcharged them, there was no destruction, just some defacing apparently. Yet they get charged with sabotaging the plant? Kind of ridiculous to me.

    In July 2012, the three Plowshares peace activists cut through fences, broke through multiple layers of security and had enough time to splash blood on the outside of the building where the government processes weapons-grade uranium before security personnel apprehended them.

    A jury convicted Rice, Walli, and Boertje-Obed of sabotaging the plant in Oak Ridge in May. Rice just turned 84 at the end of last month.

    • Really G? Doesn’t make me think anything other than “show the evidence or shut the hell up.” This guy running his yap otherwise with unsupported accusations will not aid the political opposition to Obama, just make them look nuttier.

      • Just as nutty as blaming some dumb You-Tube movie! Although a screwed up Flase Flag makes more sense that the movie story, we will never know what the truth is. Clinton failed miserably and the Obamanot’s will flock behind her in 2016. Failure’s be damned, the end justifies the means ๐Ÿ™„

        • What happened at Benghazi and the reason behind it were not going to derail a second term for Obama, that was already a done deal. And, who gives a damn of his popularity in the second term? He’s just like every President in their second their, doing what he wants because he doesn’t have to worry about getting elected again.

          Even if it is true, what will happen over it all? It’s not like he’d be charged with any crime and tried.

  5. Here is one part of prepping that usually get’s missed. An example is our military. Everyday they train to conduct war. It’s as much mental as it is physical training that leads to survival and success. The same can be said about most anything in life, being mentally prepared for the bad things in life is a great help in dealing with bad events.

  6. Anita, What does this smell like to you? I am thinking of a map ๐Ÿ™‚

    • SKTrynoskySr says:

      Wonderful, isn’t it? We have flood prone areas in NJ that have been rebuilt over and over. This insurance should be rigged in such a way that you cannot receive a payment for 50 plus percent replacement more than once in a given period. For example if you are in a 100 year zone, one payment (max) every thirty years or so. Should cover most eventualities. These properties should never have been built but failing that, pay off the owners, once and never allow them to build there again.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        The 100 year flood plain includes millions of homes.

        Besides, THEY get to draw the map and there is no defensible bases for the lines.

        This is an issue for the Banks, Owners and Insurance Companies. Govt Flood Insurance predates Katrina and in reality is a subsidy for the Insurance Companies and the Banks.

        • SKTrynoskySr says:

          It is like everything else they get involved in, Medicare, Student Loans, Mortgage Guarantees etc. One thing is absolutely certain.They will run the price up beyond the average citizen’s ability to pay and make it incredibly lucrative for Doctors, Hospitals, Insurance Companies, Schools, banks who play along with it.

          talked to a friend the other day who is up on Finance. Turns out that the man most responsible for the current financial meltdown, Angelo Mozello (countrywide Mortgages) no only was never charged but never had to pay a dime in penalties. The SOB had insurance from his own company that paid off the hundreds of millions of fines that he got. Unfriggingbelievable. Lives ruined, murders, divorces and suicides and the bastard still rides the crest of the wave!

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            Isn’t Angelo using his ill gotten gains buying up the distressed property on short sales? And reaping a second fortune.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          The government underwriting/subsidizing home insurance in areas that never should have been built on has cost more money than you can count. Years ago if you looked at houses and buildings on coastal areas subjected to periodic destruction by hurricanes or floods were fairly basic and really disposable. Only the super wealth build grand homes, but they could afford to rebuild. Houses were now encouraged to be built of a scale and quality that never without subsidy would have existed. A friend many years ago on Boliver Peninsula TX was an oil executive. His house had a concrete column that had the “Facilities” in it. Like a bunker. The rest was completely disposable. No windows, just screens etc. I asked how does he rebuild after a hurricane. The reply was is with the material that lands in my yard. The guy who got screwed was the ones upwind and no body upwind from them. Pretty rustic. Today, you will not recognize the area.

  7. In Sochi, The U.S. and Russia are tied with 19 total medals! Both have 5 Gold medals. GO USA ๐Ÿ™‚

  8. Mathius, Another banker (JP Morgan) committed suicide in Japan yesterday. That’s makes it 7 in about 3 weeks. What the heck is going on ?

    • What’s going on is that there are millions upon millions of “bankers.” If some percentage of the world commits suicide every day, then a few people in every industry will be on that list. If we assume that “bankers” are under a high level of stress due to the current economy, then we can safely assume that “bankers” will represent some portion of those suicides. Seven out of millions and millions is not surprising.

      What’s more interesting is that you’re hearing about it at all. It’s like the phenomenon where a pretty white girl gets kidnapped in Utah and then, for the next two weeks, every news story is about missing pretty white girls. It’s not that there’s a sudden rash of kidnappings/murders/running-away of pretty white girls, it’s that someone in the news realized that they can get traction with a given story and then others just piled with similar stories on until the “story” exhausted itself.

      I’m not aware of any abnormal numbers of “banker” suicides. I am aware of an abnormal amount of reporting about banker suicides.

      • I don’t know Mathius, these guys make good money and a rash of suicides in the industry is rather unusual. Is there anything unusual going on in your part of the industry?

        • “Good money” is a relative concept.

          “Good Money” is usually gauged by those with whom you keep company and function of the lifestyle (and location) you inhabit. If you, say, make $150k, but live in NYC and have coworkers / friends who all make 250-500k, you don’t feel like you’re making good money. You just don’t – it’s human psychology.

          If you made that same $150k, but lived in central Arkansas and were friends with yokels, you’d feel like a Midas.


          Is there anything unusual going on in your part of the industry?

          Yea.. the world’s coming to an end. The economy is shit on wheels. There are no jobs. Salaries are stagnant. They want you to do the same if not more with fewer resources, fewer people, and for the same if not less money. The higher level jobs don’t exist at the moment.

          Forget about moving up: staying the same is great. Moving down a rung is an all-too-common career move and people are glad when it happens because hey, at least they still have a job, right? And now they’re competing against less qualified, less competent employees, so they’re even safer. Moving up? HA! And if you do happen to lose your job (unless you’re me*), you can forget about landing on your feet in a similar role anytime soon.

          I kicked royal ass last year. My review confirmed it. I did awesome. I took on new responsibilities, did great, blah blah blah blah blah. Do you know what my raise was? $0.00. And that’s after finishing an MBA.

          But I should feel lucky, right? Because many of my coworkers got decreases. And, well, hey, at least I have a job, right?

          Now me, I take the long view. I save, I’m careful, and I don’t really let things get to me. I’m versatile, smart, adaptable, and my skill set translates to pretty much any industry. I might get annoyed that I’m not making any progress, but it’s not going to really bother me until

          But a lot of people aren’t like this.

          And, if your life has suddenly gone to total shit with no likelihood of turning around… well… some people opt for the easy way out.


          *I left my first job after two years because they were having rocky times and I wanted to be more secure. I landed the golden ticket or work at THE flagship hedge fund. (I won’t name it, but if you know anything about hedge funds, yea, that’s the one). I was there 5 months before they had a massive round of layoffs (Late 2008) and, being last in, I was first out. They gave me (remember, 5 months of employment) 7 months of severance, 7 months of health care, 6 months of outplacement service, a (small) bonus, a solid recommendation, and then fibbed to my (new) employer about my salary so I’d get a raise. My boss even reached out to a few contacts to see if they could use me. And, on top of this, they paid for some tech classes I’d signed up for which they had previously said they’d pay for.

          Then they made me sign a non-disparagement agreement.. as if I would ever disparage someone who treated me so well.

          But, to my knowledge, I am the single luckiest person to in the entire financial industry as regards the above.

          • This is why I like you, your honest in my opinion and a good person ๐Ÿ™‚ I started working at age 16, when I could legally work. I did that till graduation then went in to the USAF. I wanted to experience so many things, one of which was war. I accomplished all my desires within 12 years, got an Honorable discharge and came back home to Ohio (which is now Pa). I worked several jobs until getting in the same hospital as my father worked for, for 28 years. Within 8 years, I decided I was fed up with answering to assholes who couldn’t lead their way out of a wet paper bag, and on my 45th birthday, I basically went into semi-retirement.

            I haven’t had to answered to anyone since ๐Ÿ™‚ and, I’m doing well. I also have a side business ongoing which will begin to payoff one day soon, it takes effort.

            You are lucky my friend! Your employed, have a family and you should move up, some day, maybe. Sometimes, you have to make changes to achieve your goals. For me, I have more money in the last two consecutive years, than any two years in my life. Why, because I made a radical change in my life and decided I will never answer to anybody ever again. I’m living my boyhood dream, chasing whitetail bucks! I have 10K acres of public hunting grounds to play in, plus 200 more acres of private farmland. I planned for a year. My friends thought I was crazy. Like you, I’m a very lucky man! Do not fear change, just plan well in advance! ๐Ÿ˜‰

            Cheers! Here’s to the lucky one’s! ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Today, tomorrow, next week, next year.. sooner or later I will be my own boss because there’s no way I’m spending my life working for the benefit of these a**holes.

              The only limiting factor at the moment is that I have a wife/house/baby/mortgage – I can’t really afford the risk of leaving work to pursue some venture which might or might not pay off or might take years to come to fruition. The time will come when I can, but that day is not today. Unless Uncle Pennybags D13 wants to offer up some seed capital.. I’ve got some great ideas..

              • I have a spare $1.298 to invest. ๐Ÿ˜‰

              • Just A Citizen says:


                I would like to here your “ideas”.

                You know if your ideas are transportable you can live where it is much less expensive.

              • Make that a goal rather than a dream! My side business is in the online shopping area. I have a partner (my cousin) and our plan was a 3-5 year plan. So far so good, but the best benefit is the tax write offs. As it turns out, I’m making money because of that! Once it is in completion stage, I will be completely retired with a constant monthly income in the high 4 figures, low 6 figures. That’s after the split with my partner. Not bad for an idiot without a college degree. I’ll be 52 with plenty of time to enjoy life! ๐Ÿ™‚

              • Mathius, Email me at I will explain my side business in better detail! Yes, you can live anywhere, I live in the boondocks, LOL ๐Ÿ™‚

              • PS:
                I have a spare $1.298 to invest. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                You’re missing a few zeros at the end there, and also we here in FreedomLand America use commas instead of periods to denote thousands – that is, unless you have one-dollar and 29.8 cents to invest in which case, I am very curious about your finances. How does one have .8 cents?

                I would like to here your โ€œideasโ€.
                Perhaps soon. One patent pending – considering filing a second (much better) one soon.

                You know if your ideas are transportable you can live where it is much less expensive.
                I can already live anywhere. The problem is that my wife will only live near her family and I will only live near my wife. (I already live 3k miles from my family and am just fine with that).

                Make that a goal rather than a dream!

                I don’t have “goals.” I position myself well, play what cards I have, and drift upward in my general trajectory. I leverage my talents and opportunities such as I have them, and the universe bends to my will. No sense in fighting against the current when it’s already heading in a good direction.

              • Nope, no zeros involved. It was my way of saying “I got nothing to help you out with.” lol. Though, if you ever need an employee experienced in spending money………….

                I am afraid I am just your average citizen living paycheck to paycheck to survive in our great *cough* nation.

          • Black Flagยฎ says:

            The average salary increase – remember that this is just the AVERAGE – was 29% up here in hell-frozen-over.

            There are work hands who paid more in taxes then Mathius made gross….

            Jobs a plenty, by the way…

            • ‘m happy right where I’m at, but where exactly is hell froze over?

            • Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that a hell-scape of pollution + tremendously demanding on freshwater supplies?

              • 1> Not one bit. The waste (sand) contains some NORM (natural occurring radioactive material) and .0005% naphtha and is stored in a tailings pond to settle (about 5 years). The irony: there is an ancient sea -water- that is millions of years old underground and as the material is removed above it, the pressure is released and it bubbles up. It is absolutely ugly stuff – lots of NORM and heavy metal in it. This water as per government, being natural, has to be stored separately so not to be “polluted” by tailings, though it is quite literally hundreds of thousands of times more polluted than the tailings….

                2> 98% of the water is recycled. And water, unfortunately, is not lacking. Unfortunately, since spring mud is absolutely the worst time of year ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

              • Sigh………………………………………….Pennybags?

              • More like

              • I found a picture of D13 here. ๐Ÿ™‚

              • Mathius,

                Indeed, we are cleaning up the world’s largest oil spill (created by nature). We take smelly, sticky, black goo and return clean, white sand.

                All the top soil and muskeg is recorded by dig blocks and stored. By the end of the project (50 – 75 years from now), the same top soil and muskeg is replaced back where it came from – and it will look as it did – smelly rotting muskeg full of mosquitoes, black flies and other hordes of unpleasant insect life – just like the environuts, who would never actually visit the location due to the insect horde, want it.

  9. SUFA, WordPress is having issues today. I have people going to moderation who shouldn’t be going there.


    After carefully researching the standing the House of Representatives has and what action we can take, I have introduced a resolution to STOP the Presidentโ€™s clear overreach.

    H.Res. 442, the Stop This Overreaching Presidency Resolution, directs the House to institute legal action to require the President to comply with the law. This resolution does not require a vote in the Senate.

    So, let me see here. The HoR wants to have a Resolution to force the President to abide by the Supreme Law of the land.

    ๐Ÿ™„ Useless idiots in Congress

    • Just their way of saying “we can’t stop him” but we’ll tell him we don’t like it. lol. The Dems don’t care that he’s doing it and the Repubs want a way to make political capital out of it for the midterm elections.

      Maybe Anita and JAC will change the balance of the Congress with their votes this midterm? Then the Repubs can pass legislation that will be vetoed or ignored. It won’t stop Obama’s use of EA’s or EO’s or whatever. By the time the courts weigh in he will be out of office anyway.

      • Agreed, The problem is that these illegal actions are making a precedent. The next Republican President will do the same thing, and the lawlessness will continue.

        • Nothing really new though G. If George W cared about the US Constitution he would have sought declarations of war for Iraq and Afghanistan (we’re still waiting for those). Plus there would be no Patriot Act that let him lead in depriving Americans of their rights, or the unlawful imprisonment in Guantanamo of these Bush classified “enemy combatants” depriving them of any protections under the Geneva or Hague Conventions, or………..we could go on and on.

          The Right is just over pissed because it’s not their President doing it at the moment. lol

    • Just saw a piece on Fox about this resolution. They say it is happening because the Right doesn’t want to look to extremist – like by drawing up and voting on articles of impeachment (but that is following the Constitution – can’t be doing that).

      If there was any backbone in the Repubs they would impeach him if they really were concerned over his “lawlessness. They have enough votes (or should have) with Repubs holding the majority, forcing the Senate to try the case (even though they wouldn’t convict him).

      It’s all a game for show. Got to gather those votes for the midterm election.

  11. Anybody, why isn’t “selective enforcement” illegal? Or, why is it illegal? I say the latter, as Obama has done with immigration. Not upholding the law equates to an illegal VETO of laws. What say ya’ll? ๐Ÿ™‚

    • No comments? Buck? JAC? Plainly? Anyone? ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Enforcement has always been a discretion option. In criminal cases it is simply the economics of the situation, as well as the political desires of the district attorney. Police regularly use discretion in enforcing the laws as well, overlooking many minor issues or decreasing the severity of the offense in charging someone.

      In politics it is the same two issues, just reversed. The politics of the issue play a higher roll than the economic issues of enforcement. Every administration plays this game, so really to stick it to one administration is very one-sided or hypocritical.

      Remember, it isn’t about what is necessarily right to do.

      • I get what your saying Plainly. If any President demands the Federal employees NOT enforce a Federal law, is that not, effectively, an illegal veto of a previous law? The President is required by the Constitution to “fathfully execute” the laws of the nation. If one choses not to do so, he is then violating the supreme law of the land. Am I seeing this correctly?

        • No it is not a veto of the law. It is an action that may rise to impeachment level, which the Constitution outlines for those not faithfully executing his duty as President. Why isn’t the House doing that? Hmm? Because they don’t really care? THEY have the duty to reign in the President, so do it.

        • Further, I seem to recall Bush signing an EO that said he was going to ignore the aspect of some law during his time in the WH. Did it on the lawn of the WH with reports looking on. I just don’t remember the exact aspect or law.

          So, how is it different here?

          • There is no difference! I also agree it’s an Impeachable offense. Why no action? Because their on the same team and this is proof. It would never get past the Senate, another proof that the Federal government is totally corrupt.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            And if you recall, the Democrats went ape shit. Pelosi and Reid went berserk over it and the left wing bogosphere was on fire. King George became the moniker they assigned him.

            Something in D.C. water apparently affects the memory.

            • DC memories are highly selective. I don’t think it’s the water though.. probably something to do with contrails.

            • Oh yes, I do recall. They where like a group of howler monkeys over it (my apologies to howler monkeys for the comparison). And what occurred in the end – nada. No change pushed through in how government authority is used and/or abused. Just a lot of political noise, the same kind of noise being made now.

              Just another clue as to how broken the system is, and will be, while the national political field is essentially locked up by two parties.

            • It is all part of the illusion of choice! They are all on the same team, and we ain’t in the game. ๐Ÿ™„

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Selective enforcement of LAW is the evidence that JUSTICE has been forfeit.

      The phrase is JUSTICE FOR ALL. Not justice for whomever the police or DA think are deserving.

  12. The path our leadership has chosen is inescapably one of conflict within. Increasingly, both the Republicans and Democrats are pitting one group against another in a lustful quest for plundered wealth.

    The problem is not which “Party” is in power… the problem is that we have permitted government to become a tool of theft, and now we simply choose which patrons and constituencies will be rewarded with other people’s money.

    I fear this decade may not end before we see massive clashes in the streets of the United States. Tragically, the Federal government likely sees the same thing, and rather than pulling back from the immorality of plunder, their “solution” has been to buy ammunition in massive quantities.


  13. College students DON’T know the Bill of Rights. How the hell can they qualify for a college education? Future Democrats?

    • Not surprising. Consider this:

      Every year in the United States, nearly 60% of first-year college students discover that, despite being fully eligible to attend college, they are not ready for postsecondary studies. After enrolling, these students learn that they must take remedial courses in English or mathematics, which do not earn college credits.

      It’s not like the education system gets them prepared sufficiently for not only college, but life experience as well.

      • Mathius’ First Law:
        Say it with me: PEOPLE. ARE. DUMB.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        I have always contended if High School is properly taught a good two years can be eliminated from just about any college curriculum. Most of the college education should be CORE studies not remedial. When I started college at CSU I took one freshman course, one sophmore, two junior courses and one graduate level clourse. Tested out of all freshman courses except the one. Had an excellant secondary school education. Doubt if it exists in CA anymore.

  14. The very fact that we have National Guard units training against their own fellow Americans is proof positive of the effects of mental conditioning, in more ways than one. For years, we have watched as the erosion of “posse comitatus” has brought military units into our towns to conduct training operations, we were silent; and now we are shocked to see local police units that resemble infantry platoons. Grab a young soldier from any military unit and ask him what “posse comitatus” is. Do you even know what it is? We have been conditioned to accept this power to the point where we watched on national television, while cheering on in support mind you, militarized police drag innocent people from their homes at gun point in search of one lousy bomber. Ask yourself a question: What do you think will happen once a solid “mental association” has been made between terrorism and the right wing patriot movement? I’m going to tell you, creating that mental association among the unwashed masses is the purpose behind all political propaganda being unleashed against us now.

    Think about this for a moment, as long as the left controls the narrative, any action of the right can be justified and portrayed as being anti-government. The more pressure they bring upon us the more likely it is we will resist. That resistance is what they need. They are baiting us into becoming the terrorists they have claimed us to be.


    • G, one of the duties of any National Guard is to handle civil disturbance when called upon to by the governor of the state. That is nothing new and also can rise to the level of using deadly force if necessary. So, I would expect them to train for it.

      As for federal troops, all one needs to do is consider things like troops to insure the entry of black students into a school in Alabama for one. Federal troops may also act whenever the President, or his designated lawful authority, choose to institute martial law or a national defense zone (which we trained for in the USAF in the advent of an military aircraft crashing off base). Not to mention the constant training I spent as part of a riot control team wherein we could be used on or off base if the situation called for it.

      Keep in mind that should the Right be in control of the government they can use the troops in the same way you are concerned the Left can.

      • I too had plenty of civil disturbance training (used it firsthand during Operation Safe Haven in Panama). I’m counting on the troops to live by their Oath, nothing else. Beyond that, I have no concerns. The sheeple will dictate their own predicament.

        • SKTrynoskySr says:

          Think Kent State. The guard would have to be federalized as it was during the civil rights era. interesting question is could a governor deny the request to federalize? A question for the Colonel and the legal types

          • Wheneverโ€”
            (1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
            (2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
            (3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;
            the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.

            10 U.S. Code ยง 12406 – National Guard in Federal service: call

            • SKTrynoskySr says:

              So, looks like the Governor can just not issue the call up. Opinions?

              • Not entirely true… must remember that there is the National Guard and the State Guard. In Texas, you have the Texas National Guard and the Texas State Guard. The two are completely separate. In order to be an officer in the Texas National Guard, your commission must be a Federal Recognition. Being an officer in the Texas National Guard carries the same responsibilities and rights as a regular officer or non commissioned officer. The National Guard is a member and is reported in the Reserve Component of the United States. It is, however, under the control of the Governor of each individual State. The Governor has the power and the authority to call out its National Guard troops anytime the Governor deems it necessary. The only authority that the POTUS has over the National Guard is if the Guard is Federalized and Mobilized under the direct authority of Congress.

                For example, there were Guard units that were mobilized and sent to Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan but the mobilization was voluntary from the Governors. There was never an order from the POTUS to mobilize. The Pentagon can request the aid of National Guard Units but cannot order it.

                In the advent of hurricanes or tornadoes or emergencies, the National and State Guards are under the direct command of the Governor. I know this for sure for I have been there and done that. I was a commander of a unit for Katrina when we went to aid the Louisiana National Guard. It was at the invite of the Louisiana Governor. The Feds allocated money for it but it was a State function.

                The next issue is the State Guard. The officers and non commissioned officers are NOT federally recognized. For example, a State Guard Captain carries no authority over National Guard units. The State Guard trains alongside of the National Guard units and will fill in when the National Guard units are deployed. For example, if there is a National Guard unit that is assigned to hurricane duty by the Governor, when it leaves, the State Guard fills that position and reports directly to the Governor. The State Guard is paid by State funds in total. No Federal allocations.

                There is more, but I hope this helps.

              • I agree with you Colonel. The Governor has full control over the National Guard when the Guard is not federalized. Whether or not the President orders the Guard into federal service is up to him – based on the laws Congress provides for activating the Guard.

                As to the State Guard, I agree as well and just wish more States had active State Guard units outside the authority of the federal government. It would be a stronger check on the power of the federal government psychologically as well. States would be better served knowing they did not need to be concerned that the feds would order Guard units into federal service to prevent a Governor from utilizing the Guard units in their state against the interests of any federal designs on the population of a state.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      The Marine Corp ran a simulated helicopter gunship attack on the “Milk” dairy behind me.that is in a residential neighborhood. Came in at all angles low over the houses and ran about a 1/2 hour simulated rocket attack and strafing runs. The fast attack gunboats ran an operation on our a park at waters edge that leads to the city hall offices.

  15. A soldierโ€™s letter sheds light on a problem that is becoming more and more frightening everyday. Some have wondered why the military doesnโ€™t come to our aid against the tyrannical administration which is currently devastating our country.

    This is one brave military manโ€™s response to that question:

    โ€œHereโ€™s the problem for us soldiers: we canโ€™t trust each other, as there are those who are extreme liberals, socialists, and those who love the current administration.

    Weโ€™re infiltrated with these traitors and we donโ€™t know how to organize without others turning us in and sabotaging our plans. Thatโ€™s just one problem. Outside of that, as an organization we have become plagued with disfunction, toxicity, illness, injuries, and betrayal.

    It does not allow for a good foundation at the current moment for us to clean house for a country.

    They know this. They created the environment as it is right now. We didnโ€™t see it until it was too late. Militants are forming, but in small pockets, and unable to fully unite and plan our strategies in secrecy. And there are watch dogs out there watching us attempt to plan.


    Each day, things like this show up on the internet. I saw this several days ago. After much thought, you should see it too!

    • Well I have problems with this “soldier’s” letter.

      as there are those who are extreme liberals, socialists, and those who love the current administration

      There have always been a range of beliefs in those in military service. I wonder if he would be one of “those who love the current administration” when Bush was President?

      Weโ€™re infiltrated with these traitors

      Traitors? Acting as a group OUTSIDE the military structure against the government would make him and his like-minded soldiers traitors as well.

      organize without others turning us in and sabotaging our plans

      Organize to act unlawfully? Yes, well that is criminal on their parts and should be exposed.

      Thatโ€™s just one problem. Outside of that, as an organization we have become plagued with disfunction, toxicity, illness, injuries, and betrayal.

      Not your concern to turn military members/units against the government to do “house cleaning”. That is the duty of those who choose to vote and change things constitutionally! There is no clause in the US Constitution that give the military (or anyone else) the right to change government by force.

      Militants are forming, but in small pockets, and unable to fully unite and plan our strategies in secrecy.

      Militants? What kind of militants? We might be seeing a white supremacist group forming as much as some kind of Constitutionally oriented “patriot” movement.

      Yeah, I wanna trust this guy and his “friends” in uniform to rebel against the LAWFUL authority of the USG. That would make me feel so secure…….(yes, sarcasm).

      If this person is in uniform he best get out and go home, he’s not doing any service to the nation by showing his true color bent to be rebellious to authority while wearing the uniform of the US military!

  16. You have to wonder if this sleezball ends up serving time in a Zimbabwe prison he’ll a) be fondly remembering and praying for an American prison to do time in and/or b) begging the US government to seek his release?

  17. This is another “for your memory” posts. Something is very fishy, just not quite sure exactly what, but this is an interesting story:

    This is one of those things I read a few days back, but it’s in better content on this link. I’m not saying that it’s a hoax, not saying it ain’t, but I did see one picture that doesn’t fit the final report! Make your own conclusions and try to be HAPPY ๐Ÿ™‚

    • I don’t see how it could have been a hoax. I could be wrong of course but I saw the funerals and the grieving parents. I just don’t see how they could pull that big of a hoax off. Especially since some of the parents did not go along with the ‘get rid of all guns’ mantra.

  18. โ€œThe Land of the Free is governed by an out-of-control egomaniac, neither bolstered by managerial competence nor hindered by the legislatureโ€™s institutional prerogatives. In the Home of the Brave, half of Congress cheers Obamaโ€™s unconstitutional behavior, while the other half grumbles and then meekly carpet-bombs his path with white flags.

    The American people have been betrayed โ€” both by Obama and the Democrats, whose lust for control intensifies daily, and by Republican leaders in Washington, whose cowardice and defeatism have turned their guts and spines into tapioca.

    America, as Paul Simon sings, is slip-slidinโ€™ away. And the worst part hasnโ€™t happened yet.โ€

    Last night’s response: “The most sad, sick thing I have ever heard. Why I hate the ENTIRE Federal Government. And why soon weโ€™ll be just like a Banana Republic.”

    I brought this over from last night. I saw all this from Outraged Parent or Plainly Spoken or whoever late last night and was particularly struck by that last part of the article. As well I was chilled by the entire article because it was absolutely true. How exactly can we fight well against it if our elected so called ‘leaders’ are either cheering this maniac on or throwing in the towel?

    Some thoughts please. And Anita dear, I will never give up, but I AM sickened and pissed.

    • Afternoon Rebel! I will opine that it’s not just the democrats, but both parties have destroyed this country. They ain’t done yet, and the jury hasn’t decided the outcome of that battle yet. It’s coming, sooner than many think ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

      • Yeah, I too blame both Parties. One thing is that I believe we need a Third Party. Maybe something like a Constitution or America First Party. What a novel idea! A party committed to upholding the Constitution and American Freedom and Liberty BEFORE Party loyalty.

    • Rebel,

      First outragedparent = plainlyspoken. The former is the moniker I use on my blog on my family’s life telling the story of my step-daughters sexual abuse.

      Next, a scenario for you for change (NOTE: Giving this scenario does NOT mean I support the Tea Party. I am using them for an example).

      The Tea Party should divorce and completely divest itself from the Republican Party. Instead the Party should be built in States to the point of becoming a strong third party choice in America, at which point the Party can concentrate on their national presence in Congress to gain control of the train. It will be a slow process obviously, but having the Tea Party within the Republican Party just makes it another “extreme” like say the Christian Coalition was/is. No real strength to stand on its own. The Tea Party will never gain strong and long term control/reform over the Republican Party. Break away and stay away from them and cut their own path through the jungle of American politics.

      A simply stated idea I realize, but what else is left? Any group could do the same if they refocused and didn’t try to be a strength far above their ability at this time.

      • I can relate. I raised my niece and nephew for the first few years of their lives because of the mental abuse of their parents and I am now raising my 8 year old god-daughter probably until she is grown for the same reason. I know that doesn’t compare to sexual abuse, but is still abuse.

        I find it hard to understand how ANYONE can abuse children in any kind of way. And they don’t if I find out about it.

        We had 3 girls right across the street from us who were being sexually abused by their own Father and Uncle. Both of those assholes are doing time now. Had I known about it, I’d have killed the sick bastards myself. But no one knew until one of them told my cousins wife one day. They were arrested the same day. They were given I believe 25 years to life. Insufficient I say.

        • There was more than once in the two years it took to get her abuser sent to prison (12 to life) that I wanted to deal out my own “justice” to the sob. But, my wife always stopped me.

      • I’m pretty much at the point where I don’t think there are many Republicans left anywhere except in DC. The rest of the right are conservative or Tea Party, one in the same if you ask me. I think they should all be Independent.

        Esom, I’m fed up too, but we either fight or lose. I’m under no illusions that anything is going to be quick or easy. But we will get through this.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        The ACTUAL Tea Party is NOT affiliated with any party.

        Although it is likely most of their members would vote Republican and then perhaps Libertarian rather than Democrat.

        However, I remind everyone that the Idaho Tea Party endorsed the incumbent Democratic Congressman in the 2010 elections. They caught hell from the Conservatives and the Republicans for this but they stood their ground. Because the Dem had voted AGAINST TARP and STIMULUS. He was more old school “Western Democrat”.

        He LOST his re-election bid despite their endorsement.

        The problem the Tea Party has now is two fold.

        Hijacking of the name by the Tea Party Express, which is really the “conservative Republican” tribe, and the Dems success at destroying the brand. Which also relates to the first problem.

        • A Party that chooses to endorse a candidate of another party is just shooting itself in the ass. If you are going to organize a political party of your own, why the hell would you not have your own candidates and support them or support no one if your only choice is someone from the established parties?

          The identity of the Tea Party opened themselves up to being hijacked by trying to work outside their own realistic levels (local/state) until there was enough national standing in the individual States to make it into Congress in strength.

          Don’t bite off more than you can chew at first – and in my opinion that is what they did.

          • Just A Citizen says:


            Actually they were focused on local and state. But they also dealt with the 2010 elections BECAUSE it was the incumbents that voted for TARP, STIMULUS and the ACA. All against public opposition to these bills.

            The reason they did not affiliate with a party was because there are people from the two parties who share the same views. Although most of them will be at the local and state level.

            The TEA PARTY was not established for purposes of a PARTY, it was established to fight for specific and narrow principles of constrained Govt. and balanced budgets.

            • And now they are being labeled as Terrorists and Right wing wackos. I’m afraid that before long groups like the Tea Parties will start being outlawed in the U.S.. They already are in some respects, or at least they are being persecuted ruthlessly by this Socialist Dictatorship and his Administration.

              It makes me sick to see it happening. If not a actual Tea Party member, I am at least in agreement with their principles and beliefs. I just also believe it to be a mistake to join with the Republicans. Voting for Conservatives is one thing. Merging with their Party is quite another.

            • The Tea Party may have been organized in the manner you point out, however it is now seen as a political party and it is being pushed into a corner as an “extreme” of the Republican Party. A death knell in many ways for future influence it may have as a political force. The Democrats and Republicans have essentially since the elections of the 1850’s nationally. Any group wanting to change the course of the nation needs to remove themselves from ANY affiliation with either established party.

      • Actually, the simplest of statements are the ones that usually take root.

  19. Just A Citizen says:

    OK, some of our fine Govt logic I must share.

    A person gets SSI benefits. These benefits are to cover his “cost of living”. There is no way they could cover such costs, as the amount is to low. So that means he must get “other” help to cover said costs.

    Now read carefully.

    If his family or friends provide that support, then his SSI benefits will be DECREASED. Meaning he will need even more outside support. Which will in turn decrease his benefits further. There is a maximum “reduction” that can occur and it is about 1/3 of the total benefit.

    BUT…………….wait for it……………..

    If his other support comes from Govt programs like food stamps, govt housing, etc. then his SSI benefit is NOT AFFECTED.

    So the INCENTIVE is that he be COMPLETELY dependent upon Govt services in order to maximize the support he gets from outside his family, and thus to reduce the financial burden on his family.

    The financial impact to the family for providing this “additional” support, assuming the maximum reduction, would be about $2900 per year.

    I am again struggling to understand the “logic” of another Govt Policy.

    Yes Colonel, I know. Looking for logic and reason in a house filled with crazy orangutans perhaps overly optimistic.

    • I find no surprise in this at all. Makes perfect “sense”. The government will show you these programs as a part of the “service” they offer in helping those in “need”. lol.

      But, don’t try reforming it as you’ll then be considered as an uncaring, evil person out to deny help to those in need.

    • I’m pretty sure orangutan is racist!

      • Just A Citizen says:


        I HOPE not. I first used chimpanzee, then just monkey but changed it to AVOID being labeled a hate mongering elite white racist.

        Besides, Orangutan seemed to better fit the characters in D.C. anyway.

      • Not really, but it is a slight against us redheads ๐Ÿ‘ฟ BWAHAHAHA

        • Just A Citizen says:

          So would that make me a hairist?

          • no, just intolerant. ๐Ÿ˜‰ We should just start wearing the labels like a badge of honor.

            • Actually, hairiest is funny as hell ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ˜† And for the record, I’m intolerant to everything Left Wing, socialistic, etc. I will speak my mind with those who support those things. My fight comes from my words here and when I’m out! I tell everybody that will listen what I think of the feds. The word of mouth can be very powerful if people take some time to educate themselves. Make it happen! our fight is the same, our techniques are just different. That doesn’t mean we can’t be strong allies, and I see you as a strong proponent of freedom!

              • I am the same way G. I have pissed off lots of Liberals and most especially the everyday moron who just goes by what the Government and the Media tells them without even thinking for themselves.

                I am extremely INTOLERANT of fools.

    • Us orangs despite being hairy and knuckle draggers are intelligent. Its the baboons that are stupid and all arse.

      • True….us Orangs….can open bananas with either hands or feet…..multi tasking….

        a hairless assed baboon can not do this……baboon fits Washington…..

  20. I’m sorry, but this is about a fucking stupid as it gets. (I’ll pay my quarter to the cuss jar, Anita). If the Author did nay research at all, which he didn’t, he would know there have been much worse rainfall in Britain in the past. This year is NOT a record, by any stretch. But here is the Climate Warmers attempt at fear mongering over nothing more than a fraud against the people of the world:

  21. Now isn’t this interesting? Sounds like the Union is a big sore loser to me. I am SO sick of the Race Card!!

    • Blame, blame, blame. Call me nuts but I like Bob Beckel. He makes sense alot of the time. But sometimes I’d just like to choke him. You may have missed it the other day but I posted a tweet from a leftie who’s grapes had soured: “Right wing economic terrorism works”. Whateva! Call it what you want, but thanks for the ammo..i”ll use that line in the future.

  22. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    This is for T-Ray in California in case he has not seen this “State” Inventory on eagles

    saw all the articles on the solar collectors scorching the birds. A little late on being alarmed since just one wind farm “Altamont” kills approximately 4900 raptors a year.

    • Funny how all these ‘environmentalists’ could care less how many animals they destroy. Except of course when it comes to the snail darter or a desert tortoise. They’re all out for ‘green energy’ no matter how much it damages the economy, but they are unwilling to invest in actually doing something really good, like getting more WATER.

    • Thanks Dale. Tis amazing what can be sacrificed in the name of being green. I am just glad I am not a farmer in the Central Valley. It must be trying to see decades of work blow away and know it could have been prevented and is totally unnecessary.

  23. SKTrynoskySr says:

    Time for a little sometimes painful, winter humor. Ouch!

  24. SKTrynoskySr says:

    Here is that winter humor thing again. Not for the squeamish.

  25. Thought you’d like to know, SUFA, since it’s inception has had 2,203,728 views! ๐Ÿ™‚

  26. Just A Citizen says:

    Regarding the theory that the R’s really don’t want to impeach Obama because they are just the same.

    This entire line of argument, which also applies to the budget and debt deadlines, completely ignores the political reality.

    The fact of the matter is that due to its incompetent leadership and communication skills, the Republican party is NOT in a strong enough position to tackle another impeachment effort.

    When you allow the other side to paint you with the brush of a pariah you won’t be able to make hard choices and gain any public support. And right now, if the R’s make another misstep they could destroy any chance they have of winning future elections.

    That is the political reality as it exists today. Doesn’t matter if it is right or wrong. So those howling about the lack of R spine need to ask themselves what they would do and what would they do to deal with the backlash. Because there certainly will be backlash.

    The party of aging white men who win by catering to the angry southern voter is going to impeach the FIRST Black President. And you think that will go down in history as a principled and courageous stand against tyranny???

    What gals me more is the R’s still have not figured out how to PASTE Mr. O and the entire Democratic Party with the frauds, lies, and failures that have occurred the past 6 years. The only ones speaking in the right terms are Paul, Cruz, Lee, Rubio and a handful of others. When those long run type discussions start happening from the Rep body politick and they are repeated until they stick, then you might see some real change.

    But of course the Rockefeller Elephants will do everything to prevent that from happening.

    • *shakes head* yep wouldn’t want those old white boys accused of racism now would we? Oh wait, that already happens………..

      The backlash should NOT be an issue when their responsibility is to the US Constitution.

  27. There is a new thread up to speed up loading ๐Ÿ™‚

  28. @ BF……I can identify with Yosemite Sam………….as to the stuff that comes from the bowels of the earth…….it is amazing, is it not, how nasty ” Mother Nature ” can manufacture the very stuff that the environs hate;;;;;and you are quite correct……it “bubbles” up and the smell can be very noxious.

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