Consent

consentThe word consent comes up often when it comes to the subject of voting.  As I have said, I will no longer vote in federal elections, because I no longer consent to their authority to govern over me.   This position has led me down many different roads in the search for answers.  One of my big questions has become;  Do we even have a choice when it comes to consent to be governed?  If we can find that answer, we can answer this question;  Are we really free?

While I am speaking of the Federal government, much can be said of the state and local governments in many areas of the country.   In this short article, I want to look at some subjects that may help lead to the answers to the above questions.  So let’s look at some areas that are totally legal, but where we the people need to get permission from the government to engage in these activities.


Most of us own and drive a vehicle of our own choice to travel each day, and government has decided that in order to engage in this lawful activity,  we need to have a drivers license, we need to register our vehicle and we need liability insurance.  All of this, to be permitted to travel in our own property from one point to another.   After much thought, I must ask why all of this is needed?  Why do we need permission to engage in legal activity?  What purpose does a drivers license serve?  Identification maybe?  Why, to prove I’m 6’2″ tall with red hair and blue eyes?  Isn’t that obvious?  I know what my name is, and where I live, so why do I need to have papers that says as much?   Why the license plate?  What purpose does that serve?  Why do I need to have further permission to drive?  Does it stop cars from getting stolen?  Hell no.  I’ll get to my point in time.  As far as insurance, that’s just government corruption at it’s best.  We can debate this point as well.

Many will claim that driving is a privledge not a right.   OK, so what?  Who consented to you and I needing permission to drive?  Not me that’s for sure.  Some will say that it ensures that people get the needed training to be safe on the road.  Except that those most recently trained get in the most accidents.  Why should we have an expiration date on a drivers license?  I don’t get more training, I just pay money to government to be permitted to do something totally legal.  I can here all the arguments about ID’s and such, but they don’t stop crime in the least.  What is the most common use of a drivers license today?  Banking maybe?  Hint, hint.

CT2I know, off the wall again!  but why is it so bad to ask questions?  Things change over time, laws just stay the same as if the original intent was still valid.  remember the telephone tax issue that was passed to fund WWI?  It was just repealed not very long ago, almost a hundred years after it was passed and over 90 years since it’s purpose no longer exists.

Remember that part in the Constitution that says only Congress can coin “money”?  That ended in 1913, with the Federal Reserve Act.  When did that Amendment get passed? OH, there is no Amendment, yet, a civilian banking entity now coins “money”, that we,  the people pay interest on every single dollar printed.  It’s perpetual debt.  It’s also when we the people lost our country.  Something else to think about.  If a bank get a 50K deposit, they can turn around and loan out that 50K some 10-12 times, with the stroke of a key.  Who gave them the legal right to basically “coin money”?  That’s all that is, making money out of thin air.  Why do we let this happen today?

We live in a country that is trillions of dollars in debt.  Do you know what (or who) is the collateral on that debt?  Start with yourself.  You are a corporation if you were born after 1933 and your mother signed a Certificate of Birth.  But how does that make you collateral?  Because you must have a government issued document called  Social Security.  That is your corporation number that allows you to work in this country.  But more importantly, it is proof of you being a TAXPAYER.  That is the collateral by which the Federal Government receives loans (debt), because you (and I) are the taxpayer that is corporatized as collateral.  This can also be proven by looking at a recent SCOTUS decision that says a corporation can act as a person.  Don’t be fooled, Obama and his minions aren’t against this decision, they just claim to be so as to ferment the illusion.

I have much more to add to this, but, too much info can be a hinderance to further discussion.  As with any new thread, all subjects are open to debate.  I just thought I’d put out something to get some stagnant thoughts motivated.  🙂  I didn’t invent this stuff, but I do find it interesting.  I also believe that we can remove our consent and opt out of Social Security.  That’s stuff I still want to look into.

Now ask yourself a question, do you really consent to what the Federal government has been doing the last 25 years or so, if not longer?  our government can only rule by violent force or by your consent.  I’m feel like they rule by force these days, what say ya’ll?

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  1. Something NEW 😎

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  3. Article on the vulnerability of our power grid (with a link to the movie American Blackout)
    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/government-agency-if-9-substations-are-destroyed-the-power-grid-could-be-down-for-18-months

  4. At VH…you have several questions:

    Before the age of technology ( computers, I phones, camera phones ), playing on the world stage was pretty easy. News reports and things were filtered. Today, with instant access, there is very little to hide.

    Biden is a lap dog ( most VP’s are ). He is in Poland to try to calm the nerves of the Polish people who have long term memories of Soviet occupation and atrocities….even 60 and 70 years ago. So, Biden has to play the “calming game” by strutting and crowing how we will protect our allies. Please take this with a grain of salt. It used to mean something from the United States when we made that comment. Now it means nothing. If you are going to pledge something, you better be ready to back it up….right or wrong.

    It used to be…I dare you to cross this line and knock this chip off my shoulder. If someone did….you pounded back. Now, the United States has had its bluff called with this President. When you are the boss of the block, whatever decisions you made were considered to be the best…..whether economic, social, or military. Your lead was followed. Now, for the foreseeable future we are considered weak and unresponsive.

    When we were a fledgling nation, we exercised economic prowess, mercantilism, hegemony, arrogance……because we had the muscle and the balls to use it. Right or wrong. Now, we have strayed from this posturing into a politically correct scenario that will destroy us, if unchecked.

    We have only two options, as I see it. Continue our hegemony, which I have no problem with and retain our status as arrogant and top dog. OR……become an isolationist and take care of ourselves and not give a damn about the world…..which I am also ok with…..

    BUT……if you want to remain top kick….your economy better be number one and you better be ready to use what ever force and weapons is necessary to remain top kick. I do not subscribe to the theory that if you are number one, we owe any allegiance to anyone. I do not subscribe that because we are/were number one, we need to show restraint. It is like the football team that for three and one half quarters showed no mercy and established a 21 point lead….and then tries to protect that lead and changes strategy from one of aggressiveness to one of defensive….and loses the game.

    I feel like there are some commandments that we should follow as a country.

    1. There is no problem with being number one. ( Have the biggest and baddest military on the block.)
    2. Trade with others will be on an equal basis. ( Meaning, no trade imbalances )
    3. Balance your books and do not deficit spend nor be in debt.
    4. Leave other countries/states alone. Do not meddle in their affairs. We are not and should not be the world’s policeman. Our form of government is ours…..keep it here.
    5. If someone punches us in the nose…do not use restraint because we are bigger. Hit back with a vengeance and end it. You get punched in the nose…break their neck. The next guy will not punch you in the nose. But it stops there.
    6. Do not be a bully. It is ok to negotiate and play hard ball but do not act like a child if you do not get your way. Go down the road.

    The list goes on but you get the gist.

    The United States is all wind for now. Russia is free to do what it wishes. Biden will crow and Kerry will continue to rub his head and wonder why things are happening….and not understanding why he is not listened to……Obama will continue to be portrayed as a blithering idiot with no concept of foreign relations or no how. The only way out of this is to take our lumps and do nothing. Quietly go back to our shores, keep our military at 1.5 million and up to date and mind our own business and take care of ourselves.

    • D13, Just a thought. What happens if Russia demands all payments for their exported oil/gas to the EU be paid in Rubles?

    • Ah-that is the part of the conversation that I always get stuck at-Our Word should mean something-which makes me think we need to be very careful what we promise and perhaps tighten up on the ways we can get committed. We have a new President every 4 to 8 yr. perhaps the Executive has too much power when it comes to foreign policy.

      And if we’re gonna back off on making grandiose promises how do we transition out of our past promises in an honorable way?

  5. http://www.independentsentinel.com/boeing-believes-flight-mh370-is-in-taliban-territory-in-pakistan/

    This is getting spooky. How does one hide a jet airliner in today’s world of technology?

    I do have a question about the transponder. Why is it allowed to be turned off?

    • It is not a question of being allowed to be turned off…..Each time an aircraft…any aircraft,…files a flight plan, whether IFR or VFR…a squawk (transponder code) is assigned that is specific to that one aircraft. Transponder codes are four digit numbers with the digits limited to the range 0-7. (For you computer geeks, it’s a 12-bit number expressed in octal notation).

      Transponders continuously transmit pulsating codes……to leave them on indefinitely means that every time you start an aircraft a new code needs to be assigned…those codes or squawks are delivered by ATC only. That would require every private or municipal airport would have to have personnel on duty to coordinate and file transponder codes continuously. An impossible feat.

      Every time that I land, I reset my transponder to standby. Sine transponders pull amps, they are usually turned off when starting an aircraft to reduce the amperage.

      • There are mode A, mode C, and mode S transponders. I have a mode s. This means that I have what is called TCAS (Traffic collision avoidance system)…that puts a blip on my screen on the flight deck (cockpit) of other aircraft in flight, It will read altitude and position and speed so that, as a pilot, we do not have to rely on ATC alone for traffic avoidance.

        The unfortunate aspect is that mode s is not required. Mode C is required to fly in any control zone ( Class A, B, or C airspace). The reason that mode s is not required is because of cost. VERY expensive. Most airliners have Mode S. IT is very handy when flying in clouds when you cannot see anything at all. Otherwise you have to rely on ATC. These transponders send continuous pulses out so you can be tracked digitally.

        • The 777 has Mode S as standard equipment. This means that if the transponder is on, it records speed, altitude, and position every three seconds. This is a digital recording. When turned off, the aircraft assumes a ping rate which is analog. This means that altitude and speed cannot be determined…it is simply a blip….it could be a ship on the ocean or an aircraft in flight from ground up….In analog, the aircraft could land and you would still see a blip…if in line of sight.

        • Ok, that makes good sense. Would it not be wise to disallow the turning off of transponders when in flight? Maybe have a sensor that knows when the wheels are on the ground or based on the altimeter. It seems when something bad is happening to an airliner (see 9-11) they turn off these things to hide certain aspects of the plane. Just wondering if it’s even possible or not.

    • A reasonable explanation for the missing plane.

      There was a cockpit fire. The SOP is to pull all the breakers, which would turn off the transponders.

      The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time.

      Good pilots know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise.

      Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us.

      He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

      What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on autopilot, until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed.

      The pilot may have ascended to 45,000 feet in a last-ditch effort to quell a fire by seeking the lowest level of oxygen. That is an acceptable scenario. At 45,000 feet, it would be tough to keep this aircraft stable, as the flight envelope is very narrow and loss of control in a stall is entirely possible. The aircraft is at the top of its operational ceiling. The reported rapid rates of descent could have been generated by a stall, followed by a recovery at 25,000 feet. The pilot may even have been diving to extinguish flames.

      The simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction. Smart pilot. He just didn’t have the time.

      • THat sounds better than some of the crap being put on the news, LOL 🙂

        • Yeah, the “nonsense” version all started with the forged passports – which created a mind-think that something nefarious had happened, which replaced all the “reasonable possible” scenarios.

          If the passport issue didn’t happen, people wouldn’t be making up nefarious scenarios and be only considering in-flight issues, such as fire, etc.

          People seem to love intrigue, even if it most likely all made up.

        • Remember the 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots.

          They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. They simply ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what? The transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.

          • Is that the one that took a long time to find as well? This story has changed so much I finally stopped watching it. This gives the conspiracy folks some imaginative ideas as well. I’ll just wait to they find it, which they will some day, we would think.

      • Very true….in addition, the G1000 technology constantly searches the data base relative to your position. As the aircraft flies, GPS positioning feeds nearest airports into the computer and the computer continuously feeds the navigation software. One push of a button will reveal the closest airport, size, heading, and airport data and emergency frequencies. A second button push reveals all hazards enroute ( Terrain and weather ).

        As you stated, this is only as good as the electronics on the aircraft. However, most experienced pilots now fly with an I Pad instead of charts. Paper charts are no longer required and most pilots do not use them any longer. Charts and approach plates are on I pads that match everything on the planes computer. In the event of power loss (electrical) the I pad can be used. It carries the same data as to the nearest airport and terrain.

        Your explanation is as good as any and certainly in the realm of possibility, In the event of smoke in the cockpit, we pull all circuit breakers except transponder…..pulling of the breakers also disables the autopilot.

        Another scenario to consider. If there was an emergency that was picked up by the computer, most are programmed to go to default mode. Default mode is the nearest airport and the navigation system is coupled to the autopilot. The PFD (primary flight display) will automatically re-figure the navigation to the nearest airport and will fly the plane to it…..abrupt left turn for example. If the pilots were out….and the plane reads emergency…like rapid oxygen loss….it takes over automatically and flies to the nearest airport. The only thing the aircraft cannot due…is reduce power. Therefore, it would fly until out of fuel. This could have easily happened. With the transponder off, the plane reverted to analog. Any altitude would have not been indicated on ATC screens.

        • The main problem with technology is the reliance that younger pilots tend to have. If the computer is on, they can fly. Turn it off and ask new pilot to dead reckon…..may be tough to do, Dead reckoning is not even a requirement any longer.

          As a seasoned private pilot, I always have VFR Terrain charts in the aircraft for the route that I plan to fly. I always assume an electrical failure and a dead IPad battery, Of course, if you are IFR……there is nothing to see.

  6. Any projections as to what the Federal Reserve will do in the near future (more QE, higher interest rates?)

  7. Read, maybe learn something …. probably not, but you never know 🙂 … http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/us/chicago-gangster-essay/

    • Just A Citizen says:

      As usual, this man has reached the wrong conclusions regarding the big picture.

      Those bangers were not really in for Selfish reasons but for Self “LESS” reasons. Only men without “ego” and “self esteem” reduce themselves to animal behavior.

      His struggle was in reality for his own identity and his own family’s long term benefit. Which is what “civilized” people do. Except that “civilized” people realize that our interactions must be voluntary.

      He unknowingly has provided yet another example of how the use of FORCE to get what one “desires” at the moment is destructive or one’s long term goal of living a “flourishing life”.

  8. I suppose if one is a minority and a Christian they are out of luck. Obviously just being a minority isn’t good enough anymore for special treatment-So what exactly is the purpose?
    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/19/mi-union-contract-gives-special-consideration-to-non-christian-teachers/

    • Unions = Racist Nazi pigs! Those who discriminate the most, are always guilty of claiming discrimination the most. The only difference between today’s Nazi’s, is their hatred for Christians instead of Jews. (disclaimer- I don’t think that a majority of union members think this way, but their elected leaders speak for them, so they are just as guilty)

  9. Just A Citizen says:

    A little something for those on the left who have been in DENIAL for so long.

    Now any bets how long before they condemn the CBO Director himself? The same CBO they were touting when it predicted the ACA would “save money”??

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/cbo-director-important-give-advance-warning-about-coming-changes-social

    • I thought they were already at the point of dismissing everything he says when they don’t agree with it, and citing him if they do. it seems to me that it’s a very small step to make to condemning him.

  10. Senkaku Islands…..China wants them….Japan controls then and has since 1895 except for a short time period when the US had them at the end of WWII.,,,but given back ti the Japanese.

    China has moved warships to the area supported by naval amphibious troop carriers.

    Remember that you heard it here a couple of weeks ago…..If I were China I would move now….. they are,

    • I might add, that the US Pacific fleet is smaller now than under the Carter Administration…..watch for it……I do believe that Chinese expansion is about to begin…..if they take the islands and there is no response…..Taiwan is next. I surely would.

      • IF I were Putin, I would also threaten St Lawrence Island. It is worth nothing but if I were Putin, I would test Obama’s resolve right now.

        • That would be pushing the issue too far. What I would do is make a lot of noise about, force us to increase our defense then strike somewhere else that is not critical to the use such as the Balkans.

          • not critical to the US. Sorry. Basically use the island a faint.

          • Perhaps……but I certainly would test the resolve……who is going to do what? Do you think that Obama would do something over an island that has less than 1000 people” They are expendable…..however, I would certainly test the resolve.

            I really do feel that most on the left would allow it to happen. I hope not but I fear it.

  11. Just out on the news…..Russia has thrown the Iran nuclear program into the mix….basically telling Obama to butt out or they will withdraw their objection to the Iran nuclear position.

    Russian troops now in Ukraine occupying two naval bases and capturing the highest ranking naval commander…

    Great move by Putin.

    • The Russians are great chess players up against our spades player. No contest.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        R-A-C-I-S-T

        “spades player”?????

        • He played spades while the Bin Laden raid was going on. He could have played hearts. Would that make me a bleeding liberal?

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Yep!

            So would saying that for Putin this is as easy as shooting monkeys in a barrel.

            Oh, oh, how about “monkey see, monkey do”!

            Surely we can drum up some RACIST chants from the left over this. Bwahahahaha

    • Looks to me like Russia, and even China are going to see just how far they can go before this ‘President” is going to actually stand up and be counted. I wonder if it will come down to United States Territory being seized before he does so. I wonder if even THAT would work.

      This Moron is an Empty Chair in the White House. My God, we need to do something about this Fool before the next Presidential election. Because I don’t know if the U.S. as a Nation is going to survive his whole Presidency.

      I still don’t believe that the Ukraine is our problem. But I also don’t believe in not backing up your words. If this is the best Obama can do, then he should sit down and Shut the Hell Up!

      Strength through Superior Firepower! Walk Soft and Carry a Big Stick! These are just a couple of philosophies our Pussy in Chief could pay attention to.

      • Well, you’re all just confusing the hell out of me-I thought you guys thought we were supposed to mind our business-only look after our national interest-Now it sounds like you want to go up against China and Russia! or are you maybe starting to see that all this stuff is our business or will be eventually if we do nothing but shut up.

        • Not at all VH…..not at all……I still subscribe to the theory that we are not the world’s policeman. I am merely stating that if other countries want to push their expansion, now is the time. The US is NOT going to do anything. A lot of the left leaning think, that if the US just backs off and tries diplomacy and does not take advantage and carries no stick, that the rest of the world will just follow in lock step. The left likes to think that the US is the ONLY aggressor out there….we are not and never have been.

          We have been the biggest kid on the block….and we took what we wanted. What is so funny about all of this is Obama’s world view. Everybody made fun of Bush……Obama makes Bush look smart. On the one hand Obama wants to sing Kumbayah,,,,look at me…I am the new President…I am the new light. And on the other hand, he spouts off and draws lines in the sand and gets kicked in the face.

          What I am saying is, if the US pulls back….and minds its own business….that vacuum will be filled and it will be filled with expansionist countries and governments. I am merely pointing out what is lining up….a blind person can see this. The left, therefore, cannot say things like ” THEY ARE VIOLATING INTERNATIONAL LAW” referring to Russia and Crimea/Ukraine NO one,…..gives a rat’s ass about International Law…there is NO enforcement. Having Kerry over in Europe and Biden sticking his thumb where the sun don’t shine….is making us a laughing stock. I am saying the cartographers need to keep their ink ready….the map lines are about to be redrawn yet again.

          So, to assume the role of minding your own business, you still have to lift weights, eat properly, and be prepared because eventually, minding your own business will back fire on you. You will be perceived as weak ( no matter your economy ). You better be prepared. So, if someone tries you, you better be ready to fight back and do not fight fair. Fight to win. There is no honor in dueling.

          With the posture of the United States now……what we are saying is that it is funny to watch the chess match that Obama is trying to play. If you are going to mind your own business…do not play chess. He is trying to be tough guy….but he is tough guy with marshmellow fists and everybody knows this.

          I, personally, am saying…….that this world is not getting more peaceful and cooperative. It is impossible. I am saying that if the US retreats to its shores and minds its own business, the space that the US leaves will be filled. Just watch Europe….everyone on the left wants to emulate Europe….they are not more culture minded, they are not more scientific minded….they certainly cannot take care of themselves……just watch.

          I will tell you more….watch very carefully the African continent. I was wrong in my predictions two years ago on here…I UNDER estimated what was going to happen.

          So, in retrospect…..if we mind our own business, we still need to have the biggest military, the best science, the most powerful weapons, and not be afraid to use them when threatened PHYSICALLY. We still need to out negotiate our competitors on the business side,,,we need to be smart. Hegemony will continue….it will just not be us. Governments will still be over thrown….it will not be us. Nothing will change…except our participation. The world is what it is….dangerous.

          • D13-I appreciate you taking the time to explain your feelings on all this-and I think I understand your stance-but then you say things like this “—I really do feel that most on the left would allow it to happen. I hope not but I fear it.” So are you saying here -we should interfere-is this somehow us being physically attacked-just confused on the details, I guess-But in general, I’m basically right-if we withdraw-we will eventually be drawn in. You seem to be saying that we haven’t ever really moved away from Countries conquering other countries -we are just doing it a different way.

        • I guess what I was trying to say V.H., is that yes, we should mind our own business. It just pisses me off to hear Obama, Biden, and Kerry run off at the mouth when they aren’t going to do one damn thing to stop it.

          They are embarrassing us at a time when they have already embarrassed us before the World enough. And at a critical time on the World stage when Russia is stepping into the Vacuum created by US!

          I don’t mind the fact that we aren’t getting involved in a Cold or Hot War environment again. I just think we shouldn’t be all mouth and no ass. STFU already!

        • I got spammed again G!

  12. From Judy:

    Subject: FW: Who’s on first, this reminds of th
    For those who have served on jury…this one is something to think about…Just when you think you have heard everything!! Do you like to read a good murder mystery? Not even Law and Order would attempt to capture this mess. This is an unbelievable twist of fate!!!

    At the 1994 annual awards dinner given for Forensic Science, (AAFS) President Dr. Don Harper Mills astounded his audience with the legal complications of a bizarre death. Here is the story:

    On March 23, 1994 the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head. Mr. Opus had jumped from the top of a 10-story building intending to commit suicide. He left a note to the effect indicating his despondency.

    As he fell past the ninth floor, his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast passing through a window, which killed him instantly. Neither the shooter nor the deceased was aware that a safety net had been installed just below the eighth floor level to protect some building workers and that Ronald Opus would not have been able to complete his suicide the way he had planned.

    The room on the ninth floor, where the shotgun blast emanated, was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing vigorously and he was threatening her with a shotgun! The man was so upset that when he pulled the trigger, he completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the window, striking Mr. Opus. When one intends to kill subject ‘A’ but kills subject ‘B’ in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject ‘B.’

    When confronted with the murder charge, the old man and his wife were both adamant, and both said that they thought the shotgun was not loaded. The old man said it was a long- standing habit to threaten his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her. Therefore, the killing of Mr. Opus appeared to be an accident; that is, assuming the gun had been accidentally loaded.

    The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple’s son loading the shotgun about 6 weeks prior to the fatal accident. It transpired that the old lady had cut off her son’s financial support and the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would shoot his mother.

    Since the loader of the gun was aware of this, he was guilty of the murder even though he didn’t actually pull the trigger. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus.

    Now for the exquisite twist… Further investigation revealed that the son was, in fact, Ronald Opus. He had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to engineer his mother’s murder. This led him to jump off the 10 story building on March 23rd, only to be killed by a shotgun blast passing through the ninth story window. The son, Ronald Opus, had actually murdered himself. So the medical examiner closed the case as a suicide.

    A true story from Associated Press.

  13. “sacrificed”-Help me here-This is really bothering me-Why the word sacrifice?

    Mother Who Had Abortion in Hospital Wishes She Could Have “Sacrificed” Her Child Someplace “Compassionate”

    by Sarah Terzo | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 3/19/14 1:13 PM

    Every now and then, during my research on abortion, I come across a quote or statement that just makes me shake my head. Such as this quote from a post-abortive woman named Sue Nathanson.

    Nathanson, a self-proclaimed feminist, apparently regrets her abortion. But she regrets it not because she lost her child, even though she acknowledges this fact. No, she wishes that her child could have been “sacrificed” in a more “compassionate and loving” environment:

    I wish now that my fourth child could have been sacrificed with my love and tears, even with my own hands, in a circle of a family or community of women, in a circle of a compassionate and loving community of men and women who might be able to perceive my vulnerability as a mirror of their own, and not as it was, in a cold and lonely hospital room with instruments of steel.

    proabortion2Wow, what a lovely sentiment! She wishes that she could have killed her baby herself. It’s hard, as a pro-lifer, to understand this kind of mentality.

    However, it is a logical outgrowth of the pro-choice position. I have debated many pro-choicers, and I have found that many of the most hard-core ones are willing to admit that abortion takes a life.

    As shocking as this is, it is an argument that sometimes stops the debate cold – if your opponent thinks killing babies is okay, it’s hard to know what to say next. The argument they put forth is that of bodily autonomy – a woman has a right to kill her baby because the baby is residing in her body. This argument overlooks the fact that the child is an innocent victim who, in 99% of cases, was put there by a consensual act of the woman herself. (According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, only 1% of abortions are done because of rape or incest).

    They claim that if the woman’s circumstances are bad, abortion is the best choice for both her and the baby. Under this mentality, killing can be compassionate – it can relieve the woman of a bad situation, and it might even be kind for the child as well, who does not have them grow up “unwanted.” Killing people to help them. What a twisted concept. Perhaps telling themselves that killing a baby is good for the baby is the only way that some of these pro-choicers can sleep at night.

    If Nathanson’s idea of “love” is killing, I sincerely hope she never “loves” anyone else. Killing with love. Wishing you had killed your unborn baby with your own hands, because somehow that would be more “loving” and “compassionate” than having an abortionist do it? I’m not sure how many pro-choicers would flinch at this quote, maybe many of them – but Nathanson has obviously been persuaded by the most virulent and extreme pro-abortion rhetoric to come to the opinion she has. It is a truly twisted philosophy.

  14. Well, well, well….isn’t it special ! Sebelius saying that premiums are going to double and even triple, in some cases, under Obamacare….then she goes on to say that it is working because the increases are smaller than before.

    Ok…”.I have been around, you know.” ( Kudos if you can name the quote ). At one time, we had over 300 employees and provided health care….totally paid. I have never, at anytime, seen premiums double or even triple. And that is with such companies as Aetna and BCBS….who are notorious for premium increases.

    Obamacare has no choice but to raise premiums…..it is dying a painful death. they have no choice but to restrict health care, raise deductibles, premiums, denials….or it dies.

    • That full-on single payer idea doesn’t seem to be working out too well either.

      State Democrat: Vermont already struggling with financing its single-payer system
      posted at 1:21 pm on March 18, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

      Blue-dominated Vermont already had a healthcare system that ran heavy with government involvement prior to ObamaCare, but the small state of about 625,000 residents dove headfirst into the task of creating their own ObamaCare exchange with eventual plans to evolve the entire program into a full-on single-payer system through the next few years. So far, even just their ObamaCare exchange has been struggling to get off of the ground (and they happen to be spending more federal money on uninsured residents than other states with more of them, $167 million!), and their single-payer ambitions are evidently on some very rocky financial ground. Via Watchdog.org:

      Now, even Democrats say that plan, called Green Mountain Care, isn’t ready for its proposed 2017 rollout, and Rep. Jim Condon told Vermont Watchdog it’s time for Gov. Peter Shumlin to shelve the ambitious plan immediately.

      “The deadlines for proposing financing have been missed two years in a row now, so to me that’s very disappointing. It’s becoming clearer and clearer that there is no financing plan,” Condon told Vermont Watchdog.

      As Vermont Watchdog reported, an independent report by the Washington, D.C.-based consulting firm Avalere Health concluded that the costs of Green Mountain Care would require Vermont to raise tax revenue roughly equal to the state’s tax collections from all sources today.

      Condon, a Democrat from Colchester, said he thinks a single-payer system in Vermont would “cost more” than a couple of previous estimates. Those estimates pegged the cost for single-payer at anywhere from $1.6 billion to $2.2 billion annually.

      “It’s a government program [so] I think it’s going to cost more than that. Given that, I think it would be in the best interest of Vermonters to redirect our energies away from single-payer health care to trying to improve the system we’re in now,” Condon added.

      Part of the original state legislation included a condition that the single-payer system not have any negative implications for Vermont’s economy — but as the aforementioned Democratic lawmaker mentions, raising taxes to a pretty huge and perhaps even doubled degree seems like one of their only options for adequately financing the project. This definitely looks like yet another case of blue-state ambitions with eyes bigger than their collective stomach, no?

      http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/18/state-democrat-vermont-already-struggling-with-financing-its-single-payer-system/

    • We are up for renewal on our company healthcare plan. Rates are going up 22%. I think I will apply the $2500 Obama saved me.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I knew all those things and I got the information from watching the MSM news stories.

      So much for the claim it was all ignored.

    • HMMM, maybe we could follow some of the EU countries an enact some really tough austerity measures. Let’s start with the ridiculously high public union pensions, cut them by 3/4’s to bring them in line with the rest of working society. Then we can cap welfare payments so as not to provide more than 3/4’s of current minimum wage in overall benefits. That should get a few people back to work. Let’s stop ALL benefits for illegal immigrants. They can get to work as well.

      See, that’s some stuff from Europe we could actually use. Do like Iceland and start sending bankers and politicians to jail when they break laws or fail to represent the people like they are hired to do. Let’s start there and then we can talk about getting government out of our business, which is one of the causes, not solutions to todays problems.

      • “Do like Iceland and start sending bankers and politicians to jail when they break laws or fail to represent the people like they are hired to do.”

        Like a broken clock, even Gman is right once in a while …

    • We don’t have ANYTHING to learn from the EU. Except maybe how to screw up OUR Nation like they have theirs. We seem to have the cowing down part down pat.

      • Yeah, go got’em, UR … let’s start a war with Russia now! We’ve only gotten our asses kicked how many times in a row is it?

        • If you weren’t just a Troll, you would have read above about the part where I don’t believe we should be involved. And we only got our ass kicked because our LEADERS don’t have the balls to finish what they start. And this leader doesn’t even have the balls to start anything but his MOUTH!

          • Excuse me for not reading the insanity that is too often posted on this dump word for word, every single post (my brain usually fries after reading one Gman paragraph (the ones that don’t go on for a week at a time). Nevertheless, you’re seeming anxiousness to show power (i.e., balls) with Russia suggests to me that you’re full of shit about not wanting to do anything. What would you have us do? Please, fill the blog with your intelligence. GWB did nothing when Russia fucked with George (invaded it, in fact) … http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gregory-to-rubio-wasnt-bush-in-same-predicament-with-russia-in-2008/

            • (my brain usually fries after reading…

              Dang, and all this time I thought your incredible ignorance was due to a single digit IQ , I didn’t know you really had a neurological problem, so sorry 😆

              • 🙂 You make my point(s) over and over and over again … 🙂

              • by the way, I have rocks that are smarter than you, G … at least they know when not to speak 🙂

              • You probably believe that you really do have rocks that think, BWAHAHAHA!

              • Playing monopoly with your thinking rocks is what gives you your vast economic knowledge as well. 😆 😆

              • JAC, See! totally “MELLOW” 😀

              • Most of the time I just ignore him. I hate Trolls. 😉

              • Okay, the first thing I’m gonna admit -I’d had a few drinks-have the day off tomorrow and I didn’t fell very good so I thought- why not-relax a little.

                Now on to the ranting. G, I love you man-but when I first came to know you -you wrote articles and showed how smart you were and you were just fun to talk to-I remember many wonderful conversations, playing music selections and reading very intelligent thought out articles- but now man you seem to Rant more than engage intelligently. I know the smart guy is still there and I miss him.

                Charlie, you drive me crazy with your communistic ideas but you are wayyyyyy to sensitive and your constant Rants and just nastiness about SUFA in general and it’s participants-just pisses me off. Why the hell do you come on here and denigrate us all? It really isn’t necessary-I may not agree with most of your ideas but I have found that when you actually participate and explain your views I agree with some-strongly disagree with others but respect your honesty and your willingness to change your view when you find you are wrong and hang tough when you don’t.

                Now forgive me if I’m being hurtful, but stop the crap guys -I don’t think I’m wrong when I state we are all very tired of it.

              • What she said!

              • Anita, you asked for it, you got it, now your bitching? Here let me remind you:

                charlieopera says:

                February 27, 2014 at 6:48 pm (Edit)

                There’s no point, Plainly … he’s never going to get it … he’ll just spit into the wind the rest of his life … but I do get a kick out of seeing my name still floating around here (G is so much tougher on a keyboard than in real life) … so this one’s for him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_TyrEUpZ8Y

                Anita says:

                February 27, 2014 at 8:07 pm (Edit)

                Yeah your name comes up..that cause you belong here. So do something about it. 😉

                He came here and starting his immature bullshit and you held the door open for his antics, WAY TOO GO!

                VH. I wrote an article, which was a big waste of time, that’s why I don’t bother much anymore. I tried, no one can seem to think past their noses far enough to think about it. If you would like, and everyone agrees, I will gladly pass on the reigns of this site to someone more tolerant to Assholes like Charlie. OR, have Anita put a leash on her pet 👿

              • Whether you write articles or not is your choice, people will respond and sometimes they won’t-but your just not getting it G-it’s not Charlies fault, personal responsibility remember- you are changing how you interact with people-perhaps you shouldn’t let Charlie or anyone else push your buttons. You are a really nice guy G but somehow the last year or so-you’ve just become too negative and too quick to attack.

              • Sorry V, I don’t take shit from the Charlie’s of the world. Being tolerant is a losing highway to travel. I’m not sure what you read or not, but it was Charlie who came out of the blue with his immature personal attacks, sorry, that’s fact, and I posted it, what evidence do you require? Maybe if you would have spoken up when he started his shit, it could have all been avoided (although I doubt it). But, you didn’t. That means you must approve of Charlie’s antics.

              • OMG G..gimme a break and calm down. I’m working on a response…back shortly at the bottom.

              • I don’t want this to turn into a fight between us G-So I’m only gonna make one more comment and then shut up-I’m not talking about just your response to Charlie-I’m talking about things like this “no one can seem to think past their noses far enough to think about it” and things like this “That means you must approve of Charlie’s antics.” And the other day I posted an article about unions wanting to give special favor to non-christians, you replied back with the Union =Nazi’s. You’re just getting extreme and ranting-which isn’t the way you used to interact. I know the state of the world is bad and irritating but going back crap crazy isn’t the answer.

            • What I really want Troll, is for him to either back his words with action. Or shut his mouth. I would PREFER, MUCH PREFER, he do the latter.

  15. Fraud: Local NBC Investigation Discovers Dozens of Illegal Voters in Florida
    Guy Benson | Mar 19, 2014

    It is an article of faith on the Left that voter fraud does not exist beyond the imaginations of racist right-wingers, hellbent on imposing “unconstitutional” voter ID laws fashioned to “suppress” minority turnout in elections. These objections are race-baiting nonsense; they’re unsupported by both empirical evidence and Supreme Court precedent. The high court upheld Indiana’s law in a 6-3 decision in 2008. The ruling was authored by uber-liberal Justice John Paul Stevens. And after Georgia implemented its own law in 2007 (which survived a legal challenge), minority voter participation increasedin the next two election cycles. ABC News has called voter fraud a “rare but real” phenomenon, evidenced by a number of relatively high-profile convictions in recent years. Congress defunded the left-wing group ACORN (for whom Barack Obama once organized) over widespread voter registration fraud and other outrages. The watchdog group True the Vote — whose founder’s businesses and family have been harassed by the IRS and other federal agencies — documents voter fraud prosecutions in 46 states since 2000. Which brings us to a report that aired earlier this month on NBC’s local affiliate in Ft. Myers, Florida. WBBH-TV reporter Andy Pierrotti managed to track down dozens of local residents who were (a) both non-US citizens and (b) registered to vote in the swing state. Many of them had illegally voted in recent elections. Here’s the full report, followed by some analysis:

    “We don’t know how widespread this problem is because elections offices don’t keep track of where non-citizens live,” Pierrotti reports, “So we decided to do something that they’d never tried to do before: We found them on our own.” The investigation began by examining state forms on which residents had declined jury duty by checking a box indicating that they weren’t US citizens, and were therefore ineligible to serve. Pierrotti then cross-referenced those results with local voter rolls, identifying at least 94 people who were registered to vote in the state of Florida. Next, he visited some of these people at their homes, where they admitted that they weren’t citizens and professed ignorance as to how they were registered to vote in the first place. But voting records confirmed that they’d exercised their “right” to vote that, as non-citizens, they do not actually possess. The NBC 2 team interviewed a number of these illegal voters on camera, including a Jamaican national who simply attested that he was a US citizen on a voter registration form, and — voila! — he joined the American electorate. It was a felony, but it was that easy. And if a news crew hadn’t connected the dots, no one would have ever known. This passage in the report is crucial:

    REPORTER: County supervisors of elections tell me they have no way to verify citizenship. Under the 1992 “Motor Voter” law, they’re not required to ask for proof.

    HARRINGTON: We have no policing authority. We don’t have any way of bouncing that information off of any other database.

    REPORTER: The only way supervisors of elections can investigate voter fraud is if they get a tip, so that’s what our list became.

    HARRINGTON: It could be very serious. It could change the whole complexion of an election.

    Here’s the problem: This handful of wrongs are now being looked at and dealt with, but it took an enterprising and creative journalist to uncover them. These are 94 cases he uncovered in his own backyard alone, using just one narrow method. How many people in this country are registered to vote, and actually do vote, who are not US citizens? We don’t know. It is lunacy that election supervisors “have no way to verify citizenship” in many places, even at the point of registration. It’s further lunacy that we would not require every potential voter to produce valid proof of citizenship before casting a ballot, from coast to coast. These steps are so basic, so fundamentally fair, and so rudimentary that it’s difficult to accept that an entire political party is dead-set against these voter integrity efforts for reasons that are not nefarious. Only US citizens are allowed to participate in US elections under the law. Citizens who don’t have proper identification ought to be able to obtain them quickly and easily. That’s the reasonable recourse for the “suppression” non-problem. But every single person who wants to vote should prove that they’re doing so legally. That’s not racism; that’s painfully basic common sense. Oh, and it’s overwhelmingly supported by Americans of all political stripes.

    Parting thought: A quick calculation, as a point of reference. This local reporter found 94 illegally registered voters in one small region using one narrow verification method. If you extrapolate his number over Florida’s 67 counties, that’s nearly 6,300 people. In 2000, the United States Presidency was determined by 537 Florida votes.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/03/19/fraud-local-nbc-investigation-discovers-dozens-of-illegal-voters-in-florida-n1811547

    • As it has turned out, this was a whole lot worse problem than was reported. A lot of the rumors turned out to be fact.

      Like the FACT of the Philadelphia district that voted 100% for Obama. Or the district in Ohio that did the same. These things should have been investigated at the time, but weren’t. And I hate to be the voice of Conspiracy, but there was a REASON it wasn’t investigated.

  16. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2014/03/20/nbcs-today-finds-it-surprising-obama-not-list-greatest-leaders

    Other than Puss N chief not making the list in the link, does anyone here consider Obama as “the leader of the free world”. I know I don’t.

  17. plainlyspoken says:

    too much reading for me to do right now. Have been busy taking midterms and getting weekly classwork finished. I’ll read all this later.

    🙂

  18. Wonder if anyone will protest at his funeral? http://patriotupdate.com/2014/03/founder-hate-church-fred-phelps-dies/

    • May he burn in Hell.

      • Sedgewick says:

        ” May he burn in Hell. ”

        He was a lost sheep.

        There is something spiritual happening when a man and a woman are genuinely in love, when they’re expressing that sexually, and creating life together. That something isn’t the same with a homosexual relationship, and is thus (via religion) not a proper path to finding ‘god’.

        His interpretation was that his god hates fags. He was, on some level, trying to please his god, seeking approval with zealous sociopolitical acts.

        Hate is not a path to ‘god’. All he had to do was not be gay, love his wife, and teach his children the same.

        • While what you say is completely true, it bothered me worse that his church went around to all those funerals of the dead Military and protested THEM for what they perceived as the Government’s evils.

          It really made me furious because they tried it here where I live. They only backed off by threats of extreme violence by the community and family of the deceased. And we weren’t just threatening them either. We meant it.

          They decided to go elsewhere.

          • Sedgewick says:

            He was part of a network of Christian radicals who not only hate gays and military, but who are also anti-Semitic, anti-African, and think the president is the Antichrist.

            They tarnish what Christianity, and religion in general, represent. The sad part is that they likely learned it from somewhere, or at least as a part of a progression of lost and exploited truth over the last two thousand-plus years.

            They completely miss the point.

            When you take someone’s interpretation at face value, when you simply accept what you are told without ever looking deeper into it, when you stop wondering and decide you have it figured out, it just went right over your head …ya missed it. When you use it as an excuse or justification to hate and fear, to politicize and control, you ruined it.

            Lost sheep, Wolf food.

            • I hate it that they call themselves Baptists also. They are about as Baptist Faith as I am Jewish. I am Southern Baptist and I can tell you that they ain’t us, nor do they represent us.

              • Sedgewick says:

                Of course. They are fringe.

                They were probably raised Baptist before they went all zealous radical ‘Christ-warrior’, hence their claim. As far as I can see, they didn’t ‘get’ the 66 book memo. They’re full of it, and a potential danger to society, ..and/or to themselves.

  19. Charlie, maybe YOU can learn something about Europe http://patriotupdate.com/articles/sweden-leads-way-dumping-socialism/

    If you can’t figure it out, just ask your thinking rocks, 🙂

  20. If Obama wants to improve his foreign policy skills, he should take lessons from Jimmy Carter.

  21. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/03/20/American-Physical-Society-Sees-The-Light-Will-It-Be-The-First-Major-Scientific-Institution-To-Reject-The-Global-Warming-Consensus

    It is often quoted that 95% of scientist agree with AGW climate change. As near as I can tell that figure was arrived at because the boards of directors of most of the major scientific societies have published statements supporting AGW. The 95% number comes from the fact that these societies represent 95% of the scientific community. Like all such issues there is not unanimous consent within each society so the number is a gross exaggeration. It now appears that the American Physical Society (one of the majors) is on the verge of retracting their support for AGW.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      T-Ray, Peter, BF, et al

      Re: The Global Warming consensus……………..

      Is this the throws of a dying campaign, or simply the final stages of Stopping all dissent?

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-e-mann/climate-danger-threshold_b_4994235.html

      Or could it be that Mann and his cronies are correct?

      • I will give you my opinion which should be taken as just that opinion. 2036 is only 22 years away. If that is the breaking point than we have already lost since the massive changes in infrastructure they seek will take decades to implement on a significant scale. It takes nearly a decade to plan, site, permit, build and start up a nuclear plant, refinery or any other major power generation facility. Solar and wind can be implemented faster but only have about a 30% duty cycle hence are unreliable. Nuclear, tidal, hydro, and geothermal are the only viable alternatives. Biofuels are a waste of time and money not to mention the potential to rapidly deplete soil we need for food crops.

        In control theory, the first question that is asked is what is the set point. I have yet to hear what the optimum temperature is for the earth. We know that the climate is changing, it always has and always will. In the past, CO2 levels were much higher and the earth was much warmer. Life thrived. Humans developed in the tropics and eventually spread to the arctic only after learning how to adapt. Adapt is the key word here. We are thinking animals hence will adapt to whatever the environment becomes. It will be easier if we are fiscally strong and do not deplete our resources trying to stop something may that not occur, may not be as devastating as predicted or may not be stoppable.

        I just read an article about Europe. Putin is not too concerned with Europe because they are spending inordinate amounts of money on green energy and basically failing. They still need his petroleum and natural gas. So what are the consequences of waging a war on CO2 and depleting our resources ($) while Iran, China and Russia are gobbling up the left overs.

        I believe in conservation on a personal level. My energy foot print is a fraction of Al Gore’s. I listen to ads for solar that claim they can save me $100 per month or more on electricity. I say fine, put it in writing that my electric bill will be $0 for the next 20 years. Of course, the cost of the solar installation and subsequent maintenance along with interest on the money (net present value) exceeds the savings. So why do it? I could trade in my 43 year old classic Opel GT for a new modern battery powered car but my commute is 35 mi one way. It is hard to get there and back on one charge. It does not take many tow truck calls to eat up any possible savings. Besides I would have to give up driving a car that turns heads for a yuppy elitist car though it would let me drive in the elitist diamond lane. My brother calls electric cars coal burners.

        I am far more concerned about the massive pollution that is being generated in Asia. Many people knock the US but we have cleaned up our act over the last 50 years. We still use disproportionate amounts of energy and do generate pollution but we also produce disproportionate amount of goods compared to other countries.

        The history of energy during the industrial revolution has been from expensive to cheap, dirty to clean. That progression will continue as long as government does not interfere. No one in their right minds wants to go back to streets clogged with horses. Nor do we want to go back to furnaces fired with coal to heat houses. I lived in coal heated houses. I remember coal deliveries, coal dust, and shoveling coal into the furnace. I do use wood as an axillary heat source for the house but that is because it is free. I would have to burn the excess wood generated on my property anyway or let it rot. In either case it turns to CO2. It might as well be used to heat my house and displace another form of energy use.

        Right now we are seeing boom in natural gas which has driven its cost down. Our CO2 emissions in the US are declining in large part because NG use in increasing due to the 4:1 hydrogen to carbon ratio in NG which is higher than any other fossil fuel. This is an example of the dirty to clean, expensive to cheap energy progression. It has been accomplished despite government interference.

        Mann mentioned the low lands being flooded by rising oceans. I would like know where this has happened. At the same time he talks about the Arctic ice pack. Ice floating on water does not raise ocean levels when it melts. Although he does not say this, it is implied by mentioning the issues in close proximity. It is only melting ice on land that will cause the oceans to rise on melting. The other reason for oceans to rise is thermal expansion of the oceans should they warm. In any case it comes back to the adaptability of man to move to unimpacted areas. We have more than enough surface area for the population of the earth to live on.

        I am not a biologist but it seems to me that life is based on carbon. Plants absorb carbon from the atmosphere. We know that plant life thrives in a CO2 rich environment. So increased atmospheric CO2 will cause a greening of the planet. More crops mean more food. Is this a curse of CO2 generated global warming?

        Mann talks about the faux climate stagnation of the last 17 years. He points out that while there has been little change that we are still in a warm plateau. He predicts that warming will continue and accelerate but all these predictions are based on running the models. Models that failed to predict the stagnation. Models that are still not validated. Models that still do not include cloud cover or many other important factors. This is all theoretical. We are being asked to bet our fortune on his theory. I would ask what is he doing personally to prepare himself and his family for the eventual doom? Is he selling farm land short in Kansas and buying long in Alberta?

        The use of fossil fuel energy has raised more people out of poverty and improved more lives around the world than most people imagine. Global poverty is declining at a rapid rate. A rate much faster than at anytime in history. This is one of the benefits of cheap energy. As more people are raised out of poverty, it will be easier for them to adapt to any climate change that will come.

        Finally, we are headed for another ice age. It is inevitable but certainly not in our life times. Ice ages are the result of galactic dust. The earth periodically moves through a galactic dust cloud that attenuates the heat from the sun thus causing cooling. So how do we adapt to that? Burn more coal?

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          If you decide to invest in solar panels of other “green” energy devices at your home, just wait for the tax from the government. It will come. In Spain the green energy companies successfully lobbied the government to tax the individual home owner who installed their own devices and basically went “off the grid”. The companies claimed that they were not making their profits and the tax implemented exceeded any benefit the private person would ever gain, much less the expense of the installation. Read Bastiat’ essay on taxing sunlight lobbied for by the candlemakers. Claiming unfair competition because the sun light was free.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Dale

            You are probably very, very, correct.

            The Govt supported monopolies will cry until they get free money.

            Similar to the windmill folks suing BPA a couple years back because the hydro system was producing so much that BPA was paying States to take the electricity. The windmills lay quiet for a couple months.

            Both are Govt subsidized and supervised.

  22. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/19/study-38-percent-of-employers-will-lay-off-workers-if-minimum-wage-is-hiked/

    This is common economics. I would bet that the Left Wing politicians know this and don’t care. ONE DAY, some of today’s young people will grow up and wonder how they could be so stupid to support Liberal policies that are nothing short of destructive.

  23. Well G,it’s like this……..

    …. I will gladly pass on the reigns of this site….

    When you put it like that you pretty much silence the opposition. WAY TO GO. I commented after V, to show support for what she said. Funny how you chose to go on attack instead of choosing to address the subject of her rant.

    Things have changed since the beginning of SUFA. When it began, there was plenty going on in our country that needed to be sorted out. Over the years, USW leading the charge, we’ve pretty much sorted out where the problems lie. That happened with cordial dialogue. I doubt there are any two people here who agree on everything. We’re at a point now where we all gather here for good company. People come and go all the time..but they keep coming…for a reason…. good company. You want to bash me for cheering for Charlie Stella? Go ahead! I’ll say it again. I LOVE CHARLIE STELLA. You want to get all hurt over him bashing you. Yeah he goes overboard (down boy!) Have you seen the way he communicates with his own mom? It’s just his way. Period. Doesn’t mean he’s out to get you. Doesn’t mean his views are worthless. Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t post here. Obviously he comes here for good company too. I’m sure you two could huddle up at a bar and have a great conversation, insulting each other all the way..then leave as friends..weather you want to admit it or not. He seems to have a good time pulling the Colonels chain too, and vice versa.

    Onto Vs rant. .

    SHE’S RIGHT! Your articles DID used to gather more comments. UNTIL YOU WENT FULL OUT ANARCHIST..now the rest of us are just dumb sheeple for not seeing things how you want us to see them. BUUUUUUULLLLSSHHIIITTTTT! We’ve addressed this before, and you’ve agreed that it’s just you. It’s the stubborn redhead in you. I’m not buying that either. You already concede that we will never be without government, yet when we mention VDLG, we’re stupid sheeple again. IT GETS OLD. You do not own the corner on the truth. YOU are the one who is conflicted, not us. There is theory (your view) and there is reality (our view). So what V is saying is get a grip. We come here for good company, not to be called sheeple. USW did not start this site to be like the rest. People used to comment all the time about the cordial dialogue and how welcome they felt here. You want to give up the reigns G? It’s on you. I’d hope that someone would keep a fresh page going for us all to hang out. In the meantime, I’m not going to stress because you want to rant about me having Charlie’s back. Want to make yourself feel better, then ban him from your site. That will fix him. He’s welcome here in my book, BUT HE BETTER CHILL OUT TOO!

    • Anita, my love … you just made me blush!!!!!

      And here’s a recent Momma Stella …

      Momma Stella and the King James Bible …

      I deliver the goods to Momma Stella tonight, her coffee. She’s watching Jeopardy.

      Me: What’s this shit? The Rangers are on.

      MS: You stupid ass, I thought you didn’t like the Rangers anymore?

      Me: I don’t. I root against them.

      MS: Moron.

      Me: You want Jeopardy?

      MS: Yes, now shut up.

      [We watch the second half of Jeopardy together, me rooting against the genius greedy guy; her claiming she wants him to win until I remind her that last week she didn’t want him to win. It finally ends with a J.D. Salinger book, The Catcher in the Rye, which I get right and claim equal genius status.]

      MS: Yeah, just you. Moron.

      Me: Speaking of morons, Ma. Did you know the guy who interpreted the King James Bible, King James, may have been gay?

      MS: Good for him. What do you want from me?

      Me: I’m just sayin’. So all that bullshit in the Bible about how one man shouldn’t sleep with another man was probably just a big cover-up. You know, like that other whackjob, Ted Haggard.

      MS: Who?

      Me: Ted Haggard.

      MS: Who’s he?

      Me: A guy like King James might’ve been. Saying one thing and doing another.

      MS: The hell are you talkin’ about? Go home, you stupid ass.

      Me: But, Maaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I’m your Sonny boy!

      MS: You’re a sick bastid.

      Me: Okay, okay, forget that. What about the Tampa Bay Lightning? That’s Callahan’s new team. You need to put the Malocchio on the Rangers while we root for the Lightning.

      MS: You need to get your head examined. How’s that?

      Me: Meantime, Annie got me a new cable provider so I can watch Tampa Bay.

      MS: Good for you.

      Me: I wish we could get it here.

      MS: Go shit in your hat. How’s your diet?

      Me: You can’t tell yet?

      MS: (studies me a long moment) No. Now go home and break Annie’s balls.

      I love my Mommy!

  24. Just A Citizen says:

    Well, was busy yesterday and missed all the venting. Perhaps if you find someone to be personally offensive the best approach is to ignore them.

    Anyway, I didn’t have time to deal with GMan’s article the other day. And THANKS G for posting an article and not just a blank page. I think the topic is timely. So lets dive in.

    ” Do we even have a choice when it comes to consent to be governed? If we can find that answer, we can answer this question; Are we really free?”

    YES, we do have a choice but it is in the context of a “larger” group. One we call community or society, or nation. We can grant or withhold our “consent” as an individual but only in the context of “voicing” the “community’s” consent. In other words, our VOTE. Once the community has reached a decision then we must choose whether to grant “IMPLICIT” consents as opposed to “EXPLICIT” consent.

    The “IMPLICIT” variety is probably the most often granted. The majority of people simply go on with life and try to ignore the BS that is Govt., for the most part. When Govt. finally oversteps its bounds it is those who have remained “silent” that rise up to force change.

    It makes little sense to me to use “EXPLICIT” consent at the individual level as a measure of true freedom. Humans have been living in “groups” forever. We seem to have accepted this general concept that if a “majority” of the group agrees to some course, the minority will go along. That is it grants “IMPLICIT” consent to decision. Again, this works great until the majority, or the “activists” start over stepping the granted authority or power.

    It is also fact that some humans are simply wired differently. They do not need the “community” contacts and constant give and take you find in a community or town, etc. The “tolerance” for “IMPLICIT” consent is going to have a lower threshold for these folks.

    For a while longer those that choose to “NOT” consent, at all, can escape to parts of the country where Govt is far less prevalent. I expect someday, barring die off, those spaces will simply be consumed by other “communities”. So be happy you live in a time where “country” is still relatively open space.

    So in reality we DO HAVE A CHOICE. We can withhold our consent in both its forms if we choose. However, rejecting ALL Govt. carries a price. At the least it can be “inconvenient”. At the most it could mean increased danger, such as lack of fire protection or highways that are filled with potholes, or the risk of invasion by other “tribes”.

    The existence of Govt. does not eliminate freedom. If done properly it does not affect freedom at all. It is when Govt. goes beyond the bounds of a “Free” community that the irritation grows.

    Most people can understand the need for drivers licenses as a means of reducing accidents due to lack of skill. The concept makes sense, just as having certain “rules” for traffic make sense, like stop at a red light. However, it is true that many of the “rules” or “requirements” have gone beyond this “need”. They have moved to “generating revenue” and frankly, making life easier for Govt. agents. Like identifying the “owners” of a car that has passed from hand to hand.

    Many rules simply do not compute when it comes to the stated objectives. Most of the proposed gun laws fit this category. The result is that the “silent” folks rise up and express their “lack of consent” for such laws.

    It is important to remember that Govt. has a proper and appropriate role in an efficient and industrialized society. I happen to think it is much LESS than it currently is. But the fact is that once we accept ANY form of Govt., we are accepting the inevitable struggle to keep the beast caged. We need to accept the fact that you cannot construct a “perfect” Govt. and then just walk away.

    Good Govt. requires, no it demands, that those living with it remain engaged all the time. This is the source of the reason it also grows out of control. Because MOST people don’t want to be bothered. They are happy while it is small then ignore its growth until ONCE AGAIN, some day, it oversteps its boundaries.

    The problem we face today as a group who desires MORE freedom and liberty, is the SIZE and SCOPE of the modern Governments (all of them) and the fact that the MAJORITY within most of our communities have not reached the point of withdrawing their “IMPLICIT” consent.

    Those who run the Govt. understand this quite well. Notice how often the Govt. will back off of a proposal just enough to keep from inflaming the masses. The Tea Party was a wake up call for those in power. The “behavior” of those in power has changed since those days of demonstration and the first mid term elections. While substantive policies have not changed nor new ones progressed, the behavior of the “elite” has changed. They are now often in an offensive mode because they are on “defense”.

    Now is the time to INCREASE our participation and efforts, including VOTING. It is not the time to withdraw. We have their attention, now it is time to put them on the run.

  25. Just A Citizen says:

    Interesting comment made under an article on Site Word reading, Am. Thinker. Should cause us to “think” about whether the dumbing down is really deliberate or just the result of “lazy”.

    “I’m an adjunct teacher in a teacher education program. My students, for the most part, are not very bright. When I think they are going to be the future teachers, I am chilled. I do my best to try and light the fire of knowledge and curiosity but I am only one person. Most of the rest of the teachers in the program just spew out the latest politically correct jargon and theories.”

  26. Just A Citizen says:

    More on the VACUUM of Power in the world. I have yet to hear a single Democrat or leftist APPOLOGIZE to Mitt Romney for their attacks on his claim that Russia posed the greatest “strategic threat” to the USA globally.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-strategy/201305-putins-quiet-play-for-latin-america

    • And you aren’t GOING to hear it either. Democrats and Leftists don’t do Apologies very well. And they NEVER admit to being wrong.

      I am slightly alarmed to hear about them moving into Latin America too. It seems to me that the Obama Administration is getting us further and further isolated here. And NO, I don’t think we should bomb them back to their Continent either. But this is OUR hemisphere, not theirs. I believe letting them have influence on this side of the pond is a BAD mistake on our part.

      And we don’t have to impose our will on Latin America either to accomplish anything. We could start by just trying to be solid friends with Latin America and staying out of their Political decisions. We can establish solid trade with those Nations so inclined, and isolating Nations such as Cuba and Venezuela by allowing them to cut their OWN throats. As Obama said one time long ago: “Hold out the hand of Friendship, if you will just unclench your fist”. Only we should mean it. Some Nations will never unclench their fists. We need to accept that.

      For those that do though, it would be a good faith sign not to immediately start to impose ourselves on them or trying to make them change into our image. Latin America is NOT the U.S.. They don’t think like we do and they don’t ACT like us. We should stop expecting other Nations to do so. We need to accept our uniqueness and the rest of the world needs to accept it too.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    Wow, the Crickets are out in force today!

    • plainlyspoken says:

      lol….seems so. I am catching up.

      As to G’s article and your response to it – well there is a lot that could be discussed I suppose. Yet the basic question comes down to “consent.” G – our government got it’s “consent” from the “We the People” who ratified (in the States) the US Constitution. While those now governed can consent through voting to whom we allow to govern us, we can not – through any constitutional means – revoke that original consent. Government will trudge on – in whatever size or form – regardless of what we want individually.

      By granting that original consent government was given, through legislative and administrative action, the authority to determine the rules for our society – and they do so quite unconcerned with those who disagree. They get to choose what is “best.”

      There is no restriction placed upon them to define whether what is covered is a right or a privilege (driver’s license example) beyond what is guaranteed as a right in the Constitution. Many have and do consent by their silence. Those privileges are that are “given” won’t change unless the large majority get together and rid us of them (maybe a countrywide mass burning of driver’s licenses would change their thinking on them – who knows).

      So, in essence JAC is right. We can withhold our consent by not voting (silence of consent), but that is just implicit consent to be governed. Not that this will change my attitude on voting for federal candidates. Even though I’d like to think a time will come when VDLG will be the federal system we have I won’t hold my breath. This monstrosity will continue to grow and grow. It’s inevitable. Even the Tea Party can only make mosquito-like pricks into the elephant – which won’t accomplish enough to turn back the size and control the US Government holds over the people of this nation to any acceptable degree that those who side with VDLG want it to be

      Yes JAC, that may well sound defeatist – but my view none the less.

      • I see it much the same PS, except for a few exceptions.

        I am way too stubborn to just give up voting. The way I see it, if more people were like me, the voting public would begin to make a difference in the way we are Federally governed. I have noticed that the reason we are in the mess we are in now is that too many Conservatives and even people who don’t like the way things are going are not voting for changes. And the Liberals who are actually in the Minority in the Country ARE Voting and thus are getting what they want.

        We will truly NEVER have a VDLG Government if we don’t VOTE our convictions. We don’t have to agree on every single point. That is impossible. But we can agree enough to change the way the Federal Government functions even if we don’t get everything we want.

        I put before you that ANY change towards a limitation of power is better than NO CHANGE AT ALL. And the only way to get this change is to a. VOTE, or b. REBEL. Which to you think is better?

        • plainlyspoken says:

          Obviously Rebel, voting is the better of the two choices, yet there is not any voting likely that will accomplish breaking the hold of the two major parties at the national level. Hell, those parties are backed by the holds they have on state level politics too.

          I have voted my convictions for over 3 decades and still seen no deep change on the politics of our government(s) over that time nationally. Regardless of the flavor the system continues to grow and won’t stop – probably – until it collapses.

          So, I am glad you feel it worthwhile. I just don’t – at the national level.

  28. plainlyspoken says:

    Now is the time to INCREASE our participation and efforts, including VOTING. It is not the time to withdraw.

    A tired and worn line of argument in my opinion JAC. It could likely be applied to the great majority of the history of this country. We have what we have and it will – again, my opinion – just get worse. The US Government is beyond the point where it will get significantly turned back.

  29. plainlyspoken says:

    but they don’t stop crime in the least

    G – NO law, regulation, or rule will stop crime. Those things only define what can be classified as a crime (non-compliance with the law, regulation or rule). Only an individual by their personal choice can decide whether or not to commit a crime

  30. This is my take on Charlie G. I consider him a Troll. By that I mean he pops in here and lays down some kind of video or website that he knows we aren’t going to listen to, makes a snide or nasty comment, and leaves.

    I have to admit sometimes I get caught up replying to him in kind when I should just leave it alone. I guess that makes mine and your reaction to him similar. He pisses you off, and me also some. But you need to seriously try to get a handle on that fury buddy. Ranting at him only tickles him. You give him just the reaction he wants. And the only one who looks ridiculous in that circumstance is YOU.

    Maybe you should just try doing what I usually do and just ignore him. And it’s not gonna be ‘usually’ anymore, it’s going to be ‘always’.

  31. I see where Texas A&M University published their new poll findings (Seems everybody has a poll these days)…It reveals that of all the Presidents we have had, Obama is rated 5th place….

    Ronald Reagan and Abe Lincoln tied for first
    17 other Presidents tied for second.
    23 Presidents tied for third.
    Carter was fourth
    Obama was fifth.

    jus’ sayin’

    • Colonel. How much of a chance do you think Wendy Davis has of winning Governor?

      • None

        • And one of the reasons is going to be picture ID……Houston was rocked with illegal voting last time…..there were three seats decided in Democratic fashion with illegal votes….it wont happen again.

          • As it now stands…..Davis is 15 points behind and that is pretty significant….it will probably get a little closer as we recognize that the demographics are changing….and we have a lot of snow birds relocating here also changing the demographics some…..however, Obamacare is not popular here even among the minorities and the poor. Texas has always taken care of its citizens without insurance and we are not changing now. Gun control is not popular at all and raising taxes is not popular…everything that the democrats stand for….we shall see. We are not taking it for granted and my veterans group has volunteered for poll duty and are being trained as we speak.

            The biggest issue is getting rid of some of the hard core RINOS…..and I think we will be moderately successful at that…especially in the down ticket races.

            • plainlyspoken says:

              I see you have another Bush into politics there Colonel. Is he on the climb to run for the presidency one day in your opinion?

    • plainlyspoken says:

      such a nice way they have of showing him to be in 44th place. lol

  32. Just A Citizen says:

    charliestella

    Here, maybe you can learn something.

    http://www.aynrand.org/ideas/overview

    • jac! I put your name in lower case so you would realize you’re in trouble! You know Charlie is gonna get you. 🙂

      Charlie….you can reply but don’t start your shit! 🙂

      IT’S THE WEEKEND EVERYBODY!!! March Madness on TV, friends coming by for euchre, it’s a good day.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Anita

        No worries my dear. You know I will remain civil. Just seemed it was my turn to provide some study materials.

        Speaking of March Madness, did you see that 16 people still had PERFECT brackets after the first round today. They had picked every single upset.

        My poor Gonzaga faces Arizona Sunday.

        And oh my poor Anita. You are flying with such good company with your Spartans. LMAO over Obama siding with you.

      • plainlyspoken says:

        not a basketball fan at all here, so March Madness just clogs up the tv for me. 🙂

        • I’ll be Sitting Bull watching games late into the night tonight.

          JAC, I didn’t realize Gonzaga had such a good record. You never know, just ask the Buckeyes & Duke! I’ll root for the underdogs with you vs AZ.

          Predictions after this round:
          Gonzaga/SDSU—Gonzaga
          Creighton/Wisconsin–Wisconsin
          Kentucky/Louisville–Kentucky
          Tennessee/Michigan–Michigan
          Florida/UCLA–Florida
          Syracuse/Kansas–Syracuse
          UVA/MSU–MSU of course!
          Iowa St/ Villanova–Iowa St

          Notice the couple upsets in Sparty’s bracket. Pretty much wishful thinking for our benefit later on!. Hey Obama, mind your own business!.You probably just jinxed Sparty! 👿

  33. Just A Citizen says:

    Speaking of study materials. A great piece on the middle east and who is who.

    http://www.thetower.org/article/do-syria-iraq-and-lebanon-still-exist/

  34. Just A Citizen says:

    America Before The Entitlement State

    by Don Watkins and Yaron Brook | November 18, 2011 | Forbes.com

    Reacting to calls for cuts in entitlement programs, House Democrat Henry Waxman fumed: “The Republicans want us to repeal the twentieth century.” Sound bites don’t get much better than that. After all, the world before the twentieth century — before the New Deal, the New Frontier, the Great Society — was a dark, dangerous, heartless place where hordes of Americans starved in the streets.

    Except it wasn’t and they didn’t. The actual history of America shows something else entirely: picking your neighbors’ pockets is not a necessity of survival. Before America’s entitlement state, free individuals planned for and coped with tough times, taking responsibility for their own lives.

    In the 19th century, even though capitalism had only existed for a short time, and had just started putting a dent in pre-capitalism’s legacy of poverty, the vast, vast majority of Americans were already able to support their own lives through their own productive work. Only a tiny fraction of a sliver of a minority depended on assistance and aid — and there was no shortage of aid available to help that minority.

    But in a culture that revered individual responsibility and regarded being “on the dole” as shameful, formal charity was almost always a last resort. Typically people who hit tough times would first dip into their savings. They might take out loans and get their hands on whatever commercial credit was available. If that wasn’t enough, they might insist that other family members enter the workforce. And that was just the start.

    “Those in need,” historian Walter Trattner writes, “. . . looked first to family, kin, and neighbors for aid, including the landlord, who sometimes deferred the rent; the local butcher or grocer, who frequently carried them for a while by allowing bills to go unpaid; and the local saloonkeeper, who often came to their aid by providing loans and outright gifts, including free meals and, on occasion, temporary jobs. Next, the needy sought assistance from various agencies in the community — those of their own devising, such as churches or religious groups, social and fraternal associations, mutual aid societies, local ethnic groups, and trade unions.”

    One of the most fascinating phenomena to arise during this time were mutual aid societies — organizations that let people insure against the very risks that entitlement programs would later claim to address. These societies were not charities, but private associations of individuals. Those who chose to join would voluntarily pay membership dues in return for a defined schedule of benefits, which, depending on the society, could include life insurance, permanent disability, sickness and accident, old-age, or funeral benefits.

    Mutual aid societies weren’t private precursors to the entitlement state, with its one-size-fits-all schemes like Social Security and Medicare. Because the societies were private, they offered a wide range of options to fit a wide range of needs. And because they were voluntary, individuals joined only when the programs made financial sense to them. How many of us would throw dollar bills down the Social Security money pit if we had a choice?

    Only when other options were exhausted would people turn to formal private charities. By the mid-nineteenth century, groups aiming to help widows, orphans, and other “worthy poor” were launched in every major city in America. There were some government welfare programs, but they were minuscule compared to private efforts.

    In 1910, in New York State, for instance, 151 private benevolent groups provided care for children, and 216 provided care for adults or adults with children. If you were homeless in Chicago in 1933, for example, you could find shelter at one of the city’s 614 YMCAs, or one of its 89 Salvation Army barracks, or one of its 75 Goodwill Industries dormitories.

    “In fact,” writes Trattner, “so rapidly did private agencies multiply that before long America’s larger cities had what to many people was an embarrassing number of them. Charity directories took as many as 100 pages to list and describe the numerous voluntary agencies that sought to alleviate misery, and combat every imaginable emergency.”

    It all makes you wonder: If Americans could thrive without an entitlement state a century ago, how much easier would it be today, when Americans are so rich that 95 percent of our “poor” own color TVs? But we won’t get rid of the entitlement state until we get rid of today’s widespread entitlement mentality, and return to a society in which individual responsibility is the watchword.

  35. The Ocare penalties have already started. I love the way Liberals don’t check the facts before they jump.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/21/White-House-Leads-Liberal-Media-In-Matt-Drudge-Attack

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      One of the reasons the framers of the Constitution created freedom of religion articles and no State religion was, even if you did not attend or follow the “Church of England” you still had to pay a tax to support that State religion during the colonial era. Sounds like Ocare is set up just like the colonial days. Choose to not participate and you still pay the State/Church of Obama.

  36. By the way…..seems I missed my prediction some….I was wrong about the Russian involvement……they now have troops stationed along the ENTIRE Ukranian border and have moved a contingent of troops into Belarus and Lithuania……Interesting developments…

    Putin 2
    NATO – 0

    The only thing that is holding Putin back now is his economy which is in shambles….and if the EU gets serious about energy independence…his economy will falter big time…..however….when that happened to Japan….they attacked.

    • But, why should we care really? If Putin wants to take the Ukraine, he will – regardless of the view of ANY nation in the world.

      • I find myself wondering-I know the price of war-I’m now wondering what the price of not going to war is?

        • plainlyspoken says:

          No worse than the costs we paid when the Soviet Union controlled all of eastern Europe from 1945 to 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed.

          If Europe wants their freedom, then it is their job to get it and keep it. We can sell them all the weapons we want to if they decide to fight Russia. But, it isn’t our problem anymore. We’ve already damaged a large part of a generation with our wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, how many do we sacrifice for Europe? Or Asia for that matter?

          • I was asking as a philosophical question? It seems some people believe stopping wars is the top priority-I just wonder if without wars or at least the willingness to go to war is an absolute requirement for freedom and even civilization as far as that goes.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              V.H.

              Freedom itself requires no position on WAR. It should, however, limit WAR to defensive actions against violent aggressors.

              At the heart of the philosophical constraint is the requirement that NO MAN/WOMAN should be sent to die for any cause other than their OWN Freedom.

              This of course presumes they have Freedom in their home country.

              OUR Freedom is OUR responsibility. We must be willing to go to war to protect it.

              That is the easy part. The next is WHEN, if ever, do we go to war to stop those who have not attacked US directly. Do we limit such action to response against ONLY DIRECT threats or attacks to our interests beyond our borders? Such as attacking our ships at sea, our embassies, etc. Or do we go the next step to protecting those with whom we have IMPORTANT trade. Those whose fall would jeopardize our own economic well being.

              This last one is where I believe we fall onto the slippery slope. This has long been our international policy. But notice how easy it was for our Govt to find “SELF INTEREST” in the well being or “stability” of almost every other nation in the world.

              There is also no doubt that our foreign policy since 1939 has been driven by the Nazi, Italian, and Japanese experience which led to WW II. Ever since then the American people accepted this notion that WE should NEVER allow that to happen again.

              But in hindsight and given what we know of history, could Germany, Italy and Japan have been able to maintain those vast empires they sought? Wouldn’t they have eventually fallen to the old national and cultural boundaries/peoples?

              If that were true, then the cost in American lives was for nothing, if you measure the “VALUE” against ONLY THE USA interests.

              TODAY, my view is that we DEFEND CANADA if they are attacked. That should be our primary Alliance. If Mexico were attacked I might withhold help depending on who was doing the invading. If it were England, France or Germany I might just stand back and watch.

              • plainlyspoken says:

                Just get the Canadians to agree to annexation and we have a deal!

                Kidding………sheesh.

                Canada I might agree with. At the minimum I would heavily invest the border (on our side) with military forces just so the invaders of Canada realized how tenuous their position was.

            • plainlyspoken says:

              Ok, I see. My answer would be the same for the most part. Believe it or not I do have a willingness to go to over, but only over US territory – not for some “strategic national interest” or “national security interest” that has no true bearing on US territory.

              It comes down to the where and why I guess. Fighting for the “principles of democracy”, or a fossil fuel, or some trumped up threat, or vengeance in some selected part of the world is not worth the cost in my opinion.

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            Would Europe have gone down or continued along the socialist path if they had to defend themselves against the Soviet Union during the cold war? They were given a pass by us providing the bulk of their defense at our expense. The Marshall plan was a great idea, but it should have stopped there when the reconstruction was complete.

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            Don’t forget Viet Nam and that French “Tar Baby”

      • Nope…..I do not care…just pointing it out to those who think that Russia will stop with Crimea.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        Question to the floor….when Ukraine separated from the Soviet Union/Russia, was there a referendum from the entire country, of what was the Soviet Union getting out to vote on that separation, as Obama is insisting for Crimea to separate from Ukraine? Or did they just do it because Russia was to weak to stop it. Also wasn’t Crimea added to that separation whereas that country was part of Russia for over 200 years, and most of Ukraine, except border changes over time part of Russia longer than that. Kiev/Rus was the heart and soul of what was to become Russia that later centered in Moscow?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Dale

          Will have to research the how, but on the other hand this is a classical egg vs. chicken debate.

          Much like any discussion about “Nations” in the “old world”.

          You see, Crimea was TAKEN by the Russians. That is how it became part of “Russia”.

          Yet the Rus people inhabited Ukraine and Crimea. Except Crimea was heavy to Tartars.

          Google “Georgia” the country and look at the maps of old empires and territories.

          I suggest it is one reason we need to not get in over our head. Perhaps the last 150 years is the anomaly in terms of the tribal NATURE of the old world.

          Which brings me to my view that is why some people are so supportive of the massive illegal migration to the US by certain cultural groups. Rapid inflow and then protection of separation will act to “Balkanize” the USA. Once we divide into “tribes” like other places in the world, we will lose our advantage and our standing.

          I think for some that is the end game.

  37. Oh CHAAARRLLLIIEEEEE !!! You were going to check up on a fella by the name of Charles Stella ( you said it was not you )…..did you?

    • But, truly can we expect government can change this? Since when has government run a program successfully in the past 50 years?

      Not that children, or anyone for that matter, being impoverished is a good thing. Could we blame government for making it worse possibly, or is it all the fault of a “free society?”

      • How “free” is your society when 1% run it?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Far more FREE than when it is run by thugs claiming Self Righteous Divinity on behalf of the poor.

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            And most if not all of those leaders are in the top 1% or soon will be after they leave office.

          • And there you go, finally admitting you prefer a class system whereby 1% of the population gets to run a country of 300+ million, sending it’s kids to be maimed and die in wars, subjecting the population to the tyranny of an ever decreasing paycheck while the 1% grows fatter day by day. You have a funny way of claiming you’re for “liberty” JAC … try diluting the Kool Aid with some caffeinated coffee for a few days … 🙂

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Charlie

              More of your word games I see. You asked whether a nation run by the rich is “free”. It is more free than one run by people like you who rationalize theft on behalf of others.

              Nothing in that is supportive of a “Class System”. We do not have a “class system”. The 1% does not remain constant. The political elite are the closest we have to a “class” and even they change out from time to time.

              A free society will always have some very rich and some very poor people. But MONEY does NOT DEFINE FREEDOM. Not to anyone other than those who have bought into the Marxist view point.

              The irony is that Marx was so very wrong in his economic theory yet so many, like you, continue to spread the rhetoric that was created to sell his lie to those who did not have as much as their neighbors.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      When you make adjustments to the category called “poor” to account for current living expenses the various advocates give you a number of about 45% of all children in the USA live in “poverty”.

      Now wrap your heads around that number. HALF of the children you see are SUPPOSEDLY living in poverty.

      Bulldookey seems to kind for this kind of “analysis”.

      • JAC the king of denial! Never disappoints! 🙂

        • Just A Citizen says:

          So in your mind when one seeks the truth about things it is nothing but denial!

          Like I said, does 45% of all kids are poor really match up with reality?

          • No,…it does not match up at all. And…..define poverty. If you do not have Nike shoes, an IPAD, cable tv and a cell phone does that make you in poverty. Most think so.

            • Double denials! E tu, Colonel?

              Hey, I’m sure you guys both deny global warming (see Greenland’s melting icebergs) … that isn’t happening either! Nor is it man mad, right? The dirty ice is Ted Haggard (speaking for God) trying to rid the world of homosexuality … must be, right? Oy friggin’ vey … 🙂

              • You know me better than that, Charlie. The proof is in the pudding……I am a see it , hear it, feel it, touchy guy…..I take nothing on faith and I certainly take what is printed on the internet as mostly non truth…..however………..point it out to me without these biased sites.

                Being on the border all the time….and seeing Mexico…..I know what poverty is. I can see it, smell it, touch it, and hear it. Having traveled extensively in this world, I know what poverty is…..I have seen it, I have smelled it, walked through it, and touched it.

                There is nothing in the United States that even comes close to the rest of the world. I have seen inner city LA, Detroit…..not seen inner city New York, Philadelphia, Houston, Dallas…..that is not poverty. Poverty is not income related, sir. It is cultural.

                Poverty is not a family of four living on the dole getting food, water, lights, clothing….our poverty ridden families in the US make $40k plus per year. Maybe not in cash to buy non essential items (poverty is not measured that way) but they do not live like the rest of the poverty world. I have NOT seen children drinking out of gutters, living in trash cans and card board boxes….I have seen some “cardboard cities” under bridges on very limited occasions but when going into those with our veterans groups looking for homeless veterans, what we found ( and you will probably scoff at this ) was that they preferred to be there than go to empty bed shelters one block away with three squares a day…I did not see children in those areas.

                This very moment, you can stand on the border of Texas and look across the river and see children eating out of trash cans and bathing in the river. raw sewage emptying into the Rio Grande on the Mexican side. I have NEVER seen this on the US side….not once. Walk across any river bridge from Matamoros to Tijuana and walk two blocks off the tourist thoroughfare and you will see poverty. I have even taken your advice and visited the Pojaque and Pueblo Indian Tribal Reservations in New Mexico….the only thing that I found there was that white men were not welcome….but neither were Hispanics nor blacks….nor anyone but Indian. I saw a variety of what I would term shacks….but interestingly enough each one had running water, tv antennas, a brand new pickup or car, well dressed children, trash cans located out side their homes ( in other words sanitation). I did see cheap cigarettes and a plethora of liquor stores, that I thought were not supposed to be on Indian Reservations but are………Reminder…do NOT speed on an Indian reservation…you cannot afford it.

                No where in these United States have I seen swollen bellies from lack of food, children begging pennies from strangers, digging in trash cans for their next meal, insect ridden bodies sitting in corners,…..I have seen this in Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico, Guatemala, Argentina, Colombia, Beliz, Dominican Republic, China, Taiwan, and all over Africa. I have seen this in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, India, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and Sri Lanka. I have seen this in Italy, Greece, and France. Sorry, sir…true poverty in the US is non existent.

                So when you wish to equate poverty…..do NOT point to the United States…..any article that does is nothing more than a bald faced lie. I have been there and I have seen it. Our poorest is rich by most poverty ridden standards the world over. If you wish to compare us…..do so to another country with 350 million people.

                Ok, Captain Cannoli…..I am off this poor America thing now……so……….HOW ARE YOU, sir?

              • Oh, by the way…..yes I deny this Al Gore global warming thing…..I do not deny cyclical climate changes that have been happening since…..well, since…….dinosaurs and ice age. I need more proof than dirty ice in Greenland or Iceland or the oceans rising to cut off California ( we could only hope )…..or earthquakes created by fracking….or plagues of locusts or frogs or friggin JUNE BUGS………

                But, I stand ready to be convinced….but remember, I have to see it, hear it, feel it, or touch it……even then I will still be skeptical.

    • 50 years into the “Great Society” amigo, now that really worked out well. Sorta like my take on the Dem party. Been pushing their efforts to help the poor, help the minorities since ’32. More poor than ever. Minorities trapped in cycles that it would take generations to climb out of. Real success story that.

      Meanwhile back at the ranch. The GOP forces welfare reform, Guilliani implements it in NYC and the welfare rate drops 2/3rds, Crime drops, unemployment drops, school performance improves! But, outside of people like most of us, who else pays attention, cheers and learns the lesson?

  38. Gee, I guess the cops are afraid they might actually have to pay for it otherwise. Sheesh. Does this mean they could kill someone “acting in the course and scope of [their] duties” as an undercover officer?

    I guess prostitution stings are dangerous in Hawaii.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/22/292820898/cops-cant-have-sex-with-prostitutes-hawaiian-lawmakers-say

  39. plainlyspoken says:

    Cigarette smuggling in the US. How’s that for government regulation?

    According to the report, 56.9 percent of the cigarettes sold in the Empire State are brought in from other states. New York state has the highest cigarette taxes in the country – a whopping $4.35 a pack. If you live in New York City, it’s another $1.50 per pack, bringing taxes to $5.85 per pack, with the overall cost of a pack in the city in the $12 to $15 range.

    Public policies often have unintended consequences that outweigh their benefits,” Joseph Henchman, one of the authors of the Tax Foundation study, wrote. “One consequence of high state cigarette tax rates has been increased smuggling as criminals procure discounted packs from low-tax states to sell in high-tax states.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/21/as-taxes-on-cigarettes-go-up-so-does-black-marketing-smuggling-study-finds/?intcmp=latestnews

    • Always thought you could make a nice little 1 time killing by renting an econoline van and driving to the Carolinas and coming back to NY City. Figure about a $ 70,000 profit on one run. Gotta change vans though. Never know if somebody would tell the cops.

      • plainlyspoken says:

        Seems to me like it would be a nice payday. I could live on that 70k for a year quite happily.

        For law enforcement/homeland security agents watching/reading let me add……HYPOTHETICALLY OF COURSE. 🙂

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      While stationed in Italy during the 70’s I could have paid the rent on my countryside villa with the two cartons of cigarette ration I was allowed.

  40. plainlyspoken says:

    Disregard the subject of the vote – that isn’t intended as a point in this posting. It’s about the use of voting (and this is even at the State level).

    DETROIT – Michigan’s ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional, a federal judge said Friday as he struck down a law that was widely embraced by voters a decade ago — the latest in a recent series of decisions overturning similar laws across the country.

  41. Union representatives join federal government safety inspectors on site visits to nonunion businesses; Obama admin accused of violating law by giving clearance
    10:04 PM 03/21/2014

    Union representatives from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) are now accompanying federal government safety inspectors on site visits to review labor complaints at nonunion private businesses, The Daily Caller has learned.

    SEIU and other labor unions can accompany the government inspectors on site visits due to a quiet and contested Obama administration rule clarification issued last year in response to a request from a union representative.

    SEIU agents recently accompanied an inspector from the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), a division of the Department of Labor, on three visits to nonunion work sites under contract with the Houston-based janitorial company Professional Janitorial Services (PJS).

    The SEIU representatives gained entry alongside an OSHA inspector to a private office building cleaned by PJS in West Houston on October 29, 2013.

    SEIU representatives also accompanied an OSHA inspector on visits to office buildings cleaned by PJS in Houston on October 29, 2013, and in Southwest Houston on November 7, 2013, but the union agents were denied access by the building owners each time.

    The visits were made to investigate OSHA complaints by SEIU-friendly employees alleging that the nonunion janitorial company did not provide workers safety goggles and gloves in some instances. Though each of the inspections found proper goggles and gloves, OSHA fined PJS for other alleged infractions related to not keeping certain safety data sheets or providing proper training information on use of cleaning chemicals.

    SEIU also accompanied OSHA on a site visit to Philadelphia International Airport in the spring of 2013 after SEIU-affiliated workers complained about a private airline’s safety hazards including allegedly not providing gloves. SEIU has been prominently advocating for wage and benefit hikes and increased training for workers at Philadelphia International and other airports.

    The union representatives are allowed to accompany OSHA to nonunion work sites due to an Obama administration rule clarification that was accused in congressional testimony of violating federal laws.

    OSHA deputy assistant secretary Richard Fairfax wrote in a February 21, 2013 clarification letter that union agents can accompany OSHA inspectors to site visits at companies without collective bargaining agreements. Fairfax wrote his letter in response to a query from United Steel, Paper and Forestry, Rubber, Manufacturing, Energy, Allied Industrial and Service Workers International Union health and safety specialist Steve Sallman.

    OSHA’s published regulation on the matter does not refer to unions, but allows for an OSHA-approved “third party who is not an employee of the employer (such as an industrial hygienist or a safety engineer)” to accompany an OSHA inspector.

    Maurice Baskin, an attorney representing the Associated Builders and Contractors and the National Association of Manufacturers, said in testimony before the House Subcommittee on Workforce Protections that OSHA’s clarification letter violates the OSH Act and the National Labor Relations Act. Section 9 of the National Labor Relations Act holds that an “authorized representative” must be an agent from a union that a majority of the company’s employees have chosen, according to Baskin.

    “By allowing outside union agents and community organizers access to nonunion employers’ private property, OSHA is injecting itself into labor-management disputes and casting doubt on its status as a neutral enforcer of the law,” Baskin testified.

    OSHA did not return a request for comment. SEIU declined to comment.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/21/union-representatives-join-federal-government-safety-inspectors-on-site-visits-to-nonunion-businesses-obama-admin-accused-of-violating-law-by-giving-clearance/#ixzz2wiXffhaB

  42. Good News! France is having children again! Saw a passel of 3 kid families when I was over there last week. Stats seem to bear it out. Their little ones look like kids, not dressed as hookers and pimps like ours are.

    Interesting take on the Republique Francaise 40 years after I was last there. But I must caution. Thomas Wolff was right, “You can’t go home again”.

  43. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Sorry folks….I’m out of here.

  44. @ Mathius…….REALLY?……under ground motion sensors and a submarine net?

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