I prefer to wait on such events & let the fog clear, let information catch up to speculation. But OK, we can talk about it. I have to agree with Flag we should expect more. As more and more people feel wronged by a government that holds itself immune from the law, people get frustrated. They go over the edge. I do not agree with them or any who advocate violence except in self defense. I remember a movie with Denzel Washington where he took hostage a hospital to force them to treat his sick child. Sadly, that lets me imagine a vet in chronic pain going postal at a VA that ignored him. Remember the Oklahoma bomber felt motivated by Ruby Ridge. When the Bundy Ranch stand-off started, I wondered if our government was courting an incident…. But what about the Vegas shooting?
Paul Waldman writing at WaPo’s Plum Line. The headline gives you the flavor of the post:
“How much does right wing rhetoric contribute to right wing terrorism.”
I vote this column “Most Despicable of 2014.” It just can’t get any worse than this:
What I’m about to say will raise some hackles, but we need to talk about it. It’s long past time for prominent conservatives and Republicans to do some introspection and ask whether they’re contributing to outbreaks of right-wing violence.(1)
Or maybe not. I can accept being labeled “right wing”, “conservative”, “libertarian”, “idiot” and a few other things. But don’t try & put me in with these psycho murders. A white, married couple. Do we now suspect all white couples of planning murder?(2) I do see they identified themselves as right wing. I don’t think I agree with their definition of right wing. And how do liberals identify themselves in these times? Who gets Elliot Rodger, The Santa Barbara killer?
They were psycho’s looking for a cause. They tried to join the Bundy Ranch defenders And were asked to leave.
Ammon Bundy, one of Cliven Bundy’s sons, told The Associated Press by telephone that the Millers were at his father’s ranch for a few days this spring but were asked to leave for unspecified “conduct” problems.
He called the couple “very radical” and said they “did not align themselves” with the beliefs of other protesters, adding that while thousands of people have been to the site over the last few months, “not very many people were asked to leave. I think they may have been the only ones.”
Cliven Bundy and his supporters, some of them armed militia members, thwarted a Bureau of Land Management roundup of his cattle near Bunkerville, Nevada, in April. The BLM says Mr. Bundy owes more than $1 million in grazing fees and penalties for trespassing without a permit over 20 years, but he refuses to acknowledge federal authority on public lands.
Ammon Bundy said his family “has had no quarrel” with Las Vegas police and disavowed the Millers’ actions.
“The only thing worse than tyranny is anarchy, and we certainly recognize that,” Mr. Bundy said.
The Millers moved to the Las Vegas area in January, police said. Amanda Miller, 22, had worked at a Hobby Lobby craft store in Las Vegas, the chain store said in a written statement, but was no longer employed there.
Jerad Miller, 31, was convicted of felony vehicle theft in Washington state, police said. He also had a criminal record in Indiana. (3)
Mr. Waldman seems to want to use this to attack conservatives & gun rights groups. A convicted felon. I assume not legally allowed to own a gun & not a NRA member. The NRA does not support white supremacists or sorveign citizens. Now some of them may support the NRA, but that does not make it mutual. And most especially, the NRA only supports legal gun owners. They are very against violent felons with guns. They also state, only a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun. Sadly, it didn’t play out that way.
A DEADLY MISSION
At a news conference Monday, Metro officials filled in many of the details and clarified some initial reports. Contrary to what was said immediately after the attacks, for example, neither of the two officers nor Joseph Robert Wilcox, the Las Vegas man killed inside Wal-Mart, ever got off a shot. The only woman killed was Amanda Miller.
Assistant Sheriff Kevin McMahill said it all began when Jerad Miller walked into the pizza parlor and quickly left, returning moments later with Amanda in tow.
“They walked past our officers, who were eating lunch in one of the booths, and immediately upon passing them, Jerad Miller pulled a handgun out and shot officer Soldo one time in the back of his head,” McMahill said.
Officer Beck tried to engage the couple, but was shot in the throat before he could pull a trigger, McMahill said. The Millers then shot him several times more.
The suspects pulled the officers from the booth and covered Beck with a Gadsen Flag, a yellow banner with a coiled snake above the words, “Don’t Tread on Me,” and threw a swastika on him. One of them then pinned a note to Soldo’s body that “basically stated that this is the beginning of a revolution,” McMahill said.
The exact contents of the note have not been made public by Metro.
Once the two entered the Wal-Mart, Jerad fired a single shot and repeated his call for revolution.
Wilcox, 31, was near the cash registers when he saw events unfolding. He was armed with gun of his own, and told a friend he was going to do something.
As he moved to confront Jerad Miller, Wilcox passed Amanda, not realizing the two were together. She slipped behind Wilcox and shot him at close range.
Within minutes more Metro officers arrived on the scene in response to 911 calls. McMahill said they initially blocked the back door with a patrol car. After Jerad Miller shot the door from the inside to open it, a five-officer team entered and exchanged gunfire with the couple.
The shooting raged in the store’s automotive section, spilling oil and antifreeze onto the floor. The two were hiding behind items Jerad Miller had stacked around them for protection, but Amanda was hit by a bullet during the firefight, McMahill said.
Pinned down by police and blocked from all exits, Jerad layed down in front of Amanda, and she shot him several times. Then she shot herself in the head.
I think the Waldman’s distract us from the issue & even fan the flames, but for the greater good, of course. Many on the right seem equally partisan or agenda driven. The NRA denounced an open carry demonstration in Texas. They then walked back their comments and seem still to be reeling. If you are pro-gun & it’s LEGAL, you have to support it, right???(5) Errr, no! No I don’t. I was pleased with their original denouncement. As a CCW holder, NRA member and member of other shooting organizations, I do not like to see IDIOTS WITH GUNS! In this day of media hyped mass shootings, is it a good ideal for a small group of men to parade in a crowded restaurant with shotguns & rifles slung from their shoulders? Were I in that restaurant, I would be deciding who I would shoot first, if they showed any sign of hostility. I understand what they are doing is legal, but it is out of place & rude. I have people pull out in front of me while driving. If I can stop or slow down without hitting them, it’s legal. That doesn’t make it smart or right. Imagine a large law firm playing commercials on what is legal on how to pull out in front of traffic. If you are hit & injured, call this toll free number… That’s how I see these open carry idiots in the restaurants. This is not to say I am against open carry. A lot depends on how it’s done. I don’t like riots, but understand there are laws against “inciting riots”.
And to add balance to the open carry, on the other side, the FBI was worried more about ecoterrorism not too long ago.. (6) And for any who want to look at common causes in mass shooters (7) good luck to you. Myself, I know a few “crazy” people. Might fit the description myself. I don’t know any crazy, hate the world & want some sort of revenge people. My kind of crazy hope you get bald & fat sooner that we do….