Where is the U.N.?

UN groups say at least 40,000 members of the Yazidi sect, many of them women and children, have taken refuge in nine locations on Mount Sinjar, a craggy, mile-high ridge identified in local legend as the final resting place of Noah’s ark.

At least 130,000 more people, many from the Yazidi stronghold of Sinjar, have fled to Dohuk, in the Kurdish north, or to Irbil, where regional authorities have been struggling since June to deal with one of the biggest and most rapid refugee movements in decades.

Sinjar itself has been all but emptied of its 300,000 residents since jihadists stormed the city late on Saturday, but an estimated 25,000 people remain. “We are being told to convert or to lose our heads,” said Khuldoon Atyas, who has stayed behind to guard his family’s crops. “There is no one coming to help.”

 

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  1. gmanfortruth says:

    It’ll pass, it’s just a small group of peaceful Muslims reacting to US hegemony. ISIS are just victims and are reacting to the aggressors . 🙄

    • Is there a down side to the US, UN or anybody waging an air campaign & wiping out a few thousand of these terrorists? I realize it’s not our business, but the world would be better served if they were turned into compost…. And for us it would amount to a training exercise.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Might work, until they claim to victims and related to the Palestinians, then the Left will cry foul, amongst others. Maybe it’s an issue with “radicals” rather than religious belief. There’s plenty of them in all aspects of life, lots of quality compost. : D

      • It is our business-we made it our business a long time ago-ducking out and allowing these people to be slaughtered isn’t minding our own business -it’s like throwing a person we cannot swim in the river and then claiming it isn’t your fault he drowned.

  2. Will the U.S. Help the Kurds Fight ISIS?
    By Dexter Filkins

    Soldiers with the Kurdish peshmerga on the edge of Kirkuk; July 3, 2014. Soldiers with the Kurdish peshmerga on the edge of Kirkuk; July 3, 2014. Credit Photograph by Spencer Platt/Getty.

    The latest string of victories by Islamic militants in Iraq raises an enormous and obvious question: What’s the U.S. doing to help the Kurds?

    This week, fighters from Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham, or ISIS, captured the town of Sinjar and, the next day, Mosul Dam, the biggest dam on the Tigris River. These victories offer two terrifying prospects, one for humanitarian reasons, the other for strategic reasons.

    Sinjar is home to several thousand members of the Yazidi sect, a religious minority with roots in Islam and Zoroastrianism. Islamist extremists, including those who make up the vanguard of ISIS, regard Yazidis as apostates. There is every reason to fear the worst about what the fighters in ISIS will do to the Yazidis. In other towns that ISIS has captured, militants have crucified and beheaded their enemies. Some two hundred thousand people are fleeing Sinjar and Tal Afar, a nearby town. A senior official with the United Nations, which is normally quite restrained in its public pronouncements, said, on Sunday, that “a humanitarian tragedy is unfolding in Sinjar.”

    It gets worse. According to Iraqi state television, ISIS militants captured Mosul Dam, which regulates the water flow to Mosul, the country’s second-largest city, and to a string of towns and cities to the south. A hydroelectric plant at the dam provides electricity for much of the same area. If ISIS’s leaders decide to, they could flood cities, towns, and fields along the Tigris as far south as Karbala, south of Baghdad. The men who run ISIS have already demonstrated their capacity for far-out nihilism, so we don’t need to wonder whether they’re capable of deciding to do something like this.

    What can be done? For starters, the U.S. can help the one group that is trying hardest to resist ISIS: the Kurds. The Kurds, who occupy a large swath of northeastern Iraq, now stand face to face with ISIS across a six-hundred-mile frontier. The Kurds are among America’s best friends in the Middle East; they are pro-Western, largely secular, and largely democratic. Since 1991, when Saddam Hussein’s latest attempt to launch a genocidal campaign against them was thwarted by the United States, the Kurds have more or less governed themselves. During the American war, from 2003 to 2011, not a single American soldier was killed in the Kurdish region. The Kurds regard themselves as culturally and linguistically apart from the Arabs—Sunni and Shia—who inhabit the rest of Iraq. These days, fewer and fewer Kurds even know how to speak Arabic.

    And that’s the problem, at least according to the United States. Since 2003, American policy toward Kurdistan has been “one Iraq.” That is, no matter how friendly the Kurds are, no matter how pro-Western, American policy has been to keep Iraq together. That means: don’t do anything that helps the Kurds too much, lest they break away from Iraq and declare independence, which is most what most Kurds want.

    Until recently, this made a certain amount of sense, even if it denied the Kurds their true desires. But, since June, when ISIS militants swept across the Syrian border and captured huge portions of northern and western Iraq, that policy has been more and more difficult to justify. The Kurds now share a huge border with ISIS-controlled territory, and only a few miles of what is left of Iraq. The Kurdish militia, called the peshmerga, fights ISIS every day. Since early this year, the Kurdish regional government, which presides over the area, has been cut off entirely from Iraq’s oil revenue—to which it is entitled by law—by the government in Baghdad. The way that Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki is dealing with the Kurds is the same way he dealt with the Sunni Arabs—harshly and arbitrarily. Indeed, Maliki’s actions toward the Sunnis precipitated the events that led to the ISIS takeover.

    In spite of all this, the Obama Administration seems bent on squeezing the Kurds to remain part of Iraq. According to Reuters, when the Kurds recently asked for military assistance the White House told them to work with the government in Baghdad, which, as the White House well knows, is tantamount to refusing them outright. And American officials have made it difficult for the Kurds to sell their own oil, stating publicly that any company which buys oil exported unilaterally by the Kurds risks incurring legal problems. Oil, for all practical purpose, is the Kurds’ only export, a case that Kurdish officials made again this week.

    The militants in ISIS have swept across much of northern and western Iraq, and there is no sign that they have any intention of slowing down. In a surprising—and encouraging—turn, Maliki has apparently ordered the Iraqi Air Force to carry out air strikes to help the Kurds. That said, the Iraqi Army has proved itself utterly ineffectual in combating ISIS. If the U.S. decided to help the Kurds, there would be no guarantee that the Kurds wouldn’t later use those weapons to further their own interests.

    But what other choice is there? If anyone is likely to slow down ISIS, it’s going to be the Kurds—regardless of whatever they’re planning to do later on.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/will-u-s-help-kurds-fight-isis

    • And why would American officials make it difficult for the Kurds to sell their oil?

      • Because we are wedded to the one Iraq fallacy. Allowing the Kurds to go alone destabilizes our bad initial policy and might just piss off the Turks and Iranians who have Kurds to deal with too. The de facto creation of a Kurdish state allows for the possibility of expansion into a greater Kurdish state claiming parts of Turkey and Iran that are heavily Kurdish.

        What a friggen mess!

        • Maybe I’m naive-I don’t know-I expect those who are better versed in these matters to help me here. But isn’t this the perfect time to help the Kurds by arming them while they are supposedly helping the Iraqi army fight off terrorist.

          And what better way is there to change the Middle East than to support the fractions that are actually more western in their views. Like Israel, the Kurds, Egypt without the Brotherhood, and even Jordan. Wouldn’t it balance the power a little better-or am I crazy.

  3. Not at all sure how ones goes about killing those who finance the terrorist organizations when you are talking about Nation States like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. But going after the money that finances them seems like a good idea-but just how does one go about doing that?

    Heartwrenching- Iraqi MP Implores Her Colleagues To Save The Yazidi People From Islamic Barbarians
    —DrewM.

    Ben posted some great background on the plight of the Yazidi people of Iraq and the threat they are facing from the murderous barbarians of the Islamic State (IS).

    Now watch a member of the Iraqi Parliament plead with her countrymen to save her people.

    I suspect her pleas will fall on deaf ears as Iraq seems to have neither the will nor the means to combat the savages.

    As painful as her pleas are and as dire as the situation is, I don’t think there’s any will in the administration or the American people at large to do anything about it. We simply aren’t going to re-invade Iraq (though we should be able to find a way to get desperately needed humanitarian supplies to them. We’ve done it before.)

    Failing that, there is one thing we can and should be doing…going after the people who finance groups like this. And by “going after” I mean killing. Now drying up the financing for IS is more of a challenge at this point because they are quickly accumulating the characteristics and resources of a nation state. A perverted and violent one but a state none the less. Still, they need outlets and partners to turn their resources to cash and supplies. We should make it quite clear that we aren’t interested in forensic accounting or court ordered asset freezes. Our “friends and allies” in the region are playing a dangerous double game here. If we aren’t going to invade every Mideast hellhole, and we shouldn’t, we still have to make the cost of playing with the fire of terrorism too high. Bring the war to comfortable princelings of Arabia and watch the food they feed to the cockroaches in groups like IS disappear.

    http://ace.mu.nu/

  4. 🙂

    American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    By ALISSA J. RUBINAUG. 7, 2014

    DOHUK, Iraq — American military forces bombed at least two targets in northern Iraq on Thursday night to rout Islamist insurgents who have trapped tens of thousands of religious minorities in Kurdish areas, Kurdish officials said.

    Word of the bombings, reported on Kurdish television from the city of Erbil, came as President Obama was preparing to make a statement in Washington.

    Kurdish officials said the bombings targeted fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria who had seized two towns, Gwer and Mahmour. Residents who had fled those areas by car were heard honking their horns in approval.

    Obama administration officials had said earlier in the day that Mr. Obama was considering airstrikes or airdrops of food and medicine to address a humanitarian crisis among as many as 40,000 members of religious minorities in Iraq, who have been dying of heat and thirst on a mountaintop where they took shelter after death threats from ISIS.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/middleeast/american-forces-said-to-bomb-isis-targets-in-iraq.html

  5. gmanfortruth says:
  6. VH………a question……From your stand point…….why should we get further involved in Iraq? Where do you feel we have any moral obligation?

    (Ps….this is not sarcasm nor intended to trap you…I am seriously wanting to know )

    • D

      Two reasons-we are still there, supposedly to help the Iraqi forces-to stand by and allow tens of thousands of people to die of thirst and starvation when we can so easily stop it-would be just wrong. These people don’t even have the ability to surrender-they will just be killed or tortured and then killed.

      And we owe some loyalty to those who helped us during our very long stay in the Country. The Kurds from my reading helped us a lot -and they are going to be defeated if we do nothing. It seems that IS has an unending supply of weapons. The Kurds not so much. Why is that? The Kurds seem to be the only hope that the people trying to escape IS have. So by helping the Kurds we are helping many more.

      I also see no up side for our interest or our allies interest to have IS have so much power-but I’m not ready to suggest that we actually go back into Iraq with ground forces. Besides the Kurds, picking a side is impossible.

      Basically, D-I don’t have the answers-but we went into that Country and we stayed -and then we messed around in other Countries over there and as much as we might want to go home and mind our own business-I don’t see how you just pick up stakes and leave the people who helped you behind to be slaughtered.

      • Ok…..thanks.

        • A little history…in Vietnam, the Montgnards were just like the Kurds….we left Vietnam and left the Montgnards…… a population of almost 2 million…..they were slaughtered and displaced….now there are only about 200,000 in refugee camps in Thailand….we have done it before.

          • D,

            I don’t think your point is we’ve done it before so it’s okay to do it now. So what are you trying to tell me?

            Do you think attacking these targets and dropping the aid was a mistake?
            Should we help arm the Kurds in your opinion?
            Should we do anything other than go home and let them all fight it out between themselves?
            Are you concerned that IS building up power will hurt us in the future or do you think it will force other Sunni’s in the area to get rid of them?

            • First…..no Sunnis will get rid of them. I think attacking targets is wrong because there is no plan. Yes, we should arm the Kurds..they will do their own fighting. ISIS does not bother me at all….it is a ME problem. Let em fight……

              ISIS is not helping the Muslim at all…all this rhetoric about how many billions there are that are peace loving……well…..they may be peace loving but they will not do anything at all to stop ISIS……and if you think that ISIS is just in Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq…..think again…..they are also all over Africa.

  7. Do not be distracted in Iraq from what is happening here…

    A Federal judge has refused a request from damaged parties to use a forensic specialist to extract lost emails. We should be really concerned about the progressive agenda of destroying evidence, usurping authority, violating our Constitution, selective prosecution for political interests of which is at levels NEVER before seen.

  8. gmanfortruth says:
  9. Obama uses the USS George W Bush for airstrikes on ISIS.

    How convenient! Sucker!

  10. Just A Citizen says:

    V.H.

    You raise several good points, depending on the underlying principles and thus policy.

    Back to fundamentals. What are our principles regarding how we conduct ourselves as a nation and then how does this equate to foreign policy.

    You are correct that we should consider our role in creating the mess and thus a responsibility to help. However, lets not forget this is how we become trapped in never being able to change. Because it seems there is always another little crisis deserving of our help.

    So what should our role be in the world. I see a few options.

    1. Do nothing to interfere with others. Trade with anyone and everyone.

    2. Like #1 but use embargo/sanctions/etc. when another nation does not meet our criteria for moral behavior or is unwilling to trade freely.

    3. Trade, either #1 or #2 and jump in with nothing but humanitarian aid where needed. Creates an obvious strain on our economy and requires getting others to throw in.

    4. Continue using economic and military to aid those in need. Alas, but how do we pick the “right” people to help?

    5. Recognize HEGEMONY as our policy and embrace what ever is needed to maintain our position as the world’s number one. Under this alternative we would be sending troops back into Iraq and we would kick ass and take names. The Govt of Iraq would be established by the USA and run by the USA until the Iraqi’s learned to all get along. I think you get the idea.

    If we are not going to continue being the world’s police or not going to continue trying to project our power for our advantage, then we need to step back and work much harder to engage the U.N. and other Nations in order to get them to help.

    This would mean killing off NATO and other regional alliances in order to be a Global community member.

    Personally I like the leave them all on their own or the rule the world options the best. Only because they are cleaner and easier to understand.

    • I don’t like any of those options. That is the most honest answer I can give. I don’t want to control the world-yet I don’t think we can be just a Global community member either. Because I don’t think the world is a community by any definition of the word.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        V.H.

        Yes, we AND others have created a mess of the world that seems to make it very hard to find a moral and ethical position.

        I suggest #2 as a good start.

        Lets just trade with everyone who also acts in a moral and ethical fashion.

        So if a Nation State sanctions genocide, arbitrary murder and other atrocities we as a nation will not trade with them. Leave it up to other nations to decide if they will or not.

        Of course this means that the Govt will have the power to enforce such a ban on trade.

        A fact that flies in the face of freedom and liberty for our own citizens.

        A twist on this option would then be to simply not provide any Govt protection or assistance to individual who wish to violate the embargo.

        • JAC…..this is nothing new at all…..the same thing is happening in Africa and no one cares but it is happening at a rate much greater than Iraq. Hundreds of thousands have been killed by allied Muslim groups and Africa is falling at a huge rate.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            d13

            Good morning Colonel.

            Yes, I know it has been spreading in Africa. But most of those countries do not have the OIL the world wishes to remain free flowing.

            It also shows how we could not maintain an intervention policy because we could not cover all the ground that is on fire.

    • JAC,

      I think you are correct that one problem is the lack of a consistent policy from the US, NATO and the joke that is the UN. What makes this “crisis” different?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur

      Is this because we destroyed the previous Iraq government?
      Is it because thousands of Christians are about to be slaughtered?
      Is this a continuation of the “War on Terror”?
      Is this just a distraction to shift our focus away from domestic issues?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        LOI

        You got my main point.

        We do not have a clearly articulated PRINCIPLE which leads to a CONFUSED Foreign Policy.

        Bush’s pre-emptive strike theory is NOT a foreign policy. Only a screwed up way to deal with perceived threats. Notice how Russia and others quickly grabbed onto that “doctrine” to rationalize their own aggressions??

  11. Sure Why Not: HHS Emails Sought by Congress To Determine Why Healthcare.gov Was Such a Catastrophe Are, Get This, Missing
    —Ace

    Fundamentally transforming America.

    I’m sure their idea is that Republicans are just going to “politicize” the emails, so it’s fair to lie and say they’ve been lost, or to violate the federal records-keeping act and delete them shortly after their writing, to insure they never fall into enemy hands.

    Here’s the thing: Republicans are going to politicize the emails.

    That’s the point.

    That’s what happens in an actual democracy with competing parties vying for public affection.

    This is the only thing that keeps either party within a mile of good behavior — the understanding that if you deceive the public, or act with gross incompetence, that behavior is going to be politicized and used against you.

    Consider the example of the various one-party cities in this nation.

    Can there be any doubt that “politicization” of one’s errors or actual violations is, while annoying for the party who has erred, the only thing that restrains a party from wholesale violations of the public trust?

    Besides the obvious salutary public policy effects, there is of course a more tangible reason why records should be retained and, when subpeonaed by Congress, disclosed to that body:

    Because it’s the law.

    And adherence to the Law is the only thing that keeps a society of feuding political parties from degenerating into a third-world system of coups and counter-coups.

    If the party I oppose shows perfect contempt for following the law when it sees a political advantage in doing so, why should I not support the selfsame law-breaking when the party I support decides it might find some advantage in doing so?

    The government’s basis for rule over the citizens is based on two things:

    1. Sheer naked coercive power.

    And:

    2. Moral authority, and the notion that, while a citizen might not like the particular government serving at any particular time, that citizen values something more eternal than the temporary political circumstances of a four year period of time.

    Namely, the idea that it is best for everyone to follow the law, because it’s more important to support a stable government without turmoil and violence than to violate the law to win on any immediate, ephemeral political point.

    Note that it is far better for any society that the government’s power rests more on the second pillar than on the first. Because so long as that pillar, of moral authority, of general fairness, of a general sense that the longterm interests of America are better served by adherence to government than to rebellion against it, the government will rarely, if ever, have to resort to the ultimate pillar of authority, which is physical, violent coercion.

    For someone who claims to be a “Constitutional Professor” — actually a short-term guest lecturer — this Obama character sure doesn’t seem to have thought very hard about the importance of constitutional, law-abiding government.

    This country has lived with only one Civil War in its 230 year history. That isn’t just due to luck. It’s due to governments usually showing a recognition that the continuation of the American Democracy was more important than any short-term political fight.

    Nixon, for example, did (I’m told) briefly ask Alexander Haig if there was any possibility of avoiding impeachment by declaring martial law and simply calling the Army to his defense.

    What did Haig tell him? Something like, “No, Mr. President.”

    Nixon’s short-term interests might have been served by such a maneuver — but certainly not the American democratic-republican tradition itself.

    Why have those many fledgling democracies in Latin America — many with constitutions closely patterned after the American one — devolve into juntas within a few years?

    Was it because they were less intelligent or more corrupt than Americans?

    I don’t believe that. Certainly no progressive in good standing can explain this by suggesting race or culture doomed the Latin American democracies to turn into tyrannies in short order.

    So what did?

    Well, probably because one party came into power and decided that their political goals were too important to be endangered by adhering to a trivial things like “transparency,” “fairness,” or even the letter of the law.

    Having done so, did they really expect the citizens, or their political rivals, to obey the law themselves?

    The law works when people see an inherent value of the law beyond their short-term interests.

    When they see other people violating the law, they decide that only a Chump would obey the law, and they begin violating the law as well.

    Is this what this Administration wants?

    Is it even capable of the low level of thinking to see how deeply corrosive and dangerous that casual lawbreaking by the state can be?

    As the Obama Administration continues to engage in casual, contemptuous law-breaking itself, do they ever stop to consider the harm they’re doing to the oldest, longest-lived republican democracy in the world?

    Do they even trouble themselves to wonder?

    Or is everything justified by winning the day’s Twitter war?

    As the Philosopher of Party so nobly put it:

    When we truly believe that some people are monsters, that they fundamentally are less human than we are, and that they deserve to have less than we do, we ourselves become the monsters…

    Who are the monsters here? The Republicans, who lawfully demand the evidence in order to mount legal criticism against this Administration (and external criticism is absolutely vital to the system), or the Democrats and their bureaucratic Palace Guard who illegally refuse to do so?

    Who are the ones merely threatening — justifiably — Obama’s short-term political position, and who are the ones actually threatening the very foundations of our long-lived constitutional republic?

    A Constitution is born of words, but it lives in deeds.

    Or, as is usually the case, it dies.

    http://ace.mu.nu/

  12. Seems to me this morning I saw something here relating to us training ISIS (now just IS) as per Snowden. Thought about it a bit and think it is probably right. We have destabilized Egypt and Libya and are working hard on Syria. These ISIS guys were part of the destabilization effort in Syria as the forces of “democracy” against Assad. Worked too well I guess.

    When I saw the movie “Charlie Wilson’s War” I was appalled. How could anyone in their right mind applaud what was done ten years after it all came to fruition on 9-11-01?

    Sittin around all day thinking how wonderful it would be to be behind a 30MM Gatling in an A-10 over Iraq. Sort of like those Typhoons, Lightnings and Thunderbolts going after the 2nd SS Panzer. There few in this world who deserve to be killed but those who do, really have earned it!

    Flag, I DO NOT WANT to hear from you on this. Say what you want, call me names, be the sanctimonious prig you are, I don’t care. There are folks out there who need killing real bad.

    • Two wrongs don’t make a right.
      Why then is reverse logic applauded to doing one right, but then judged for all the other “rights” left undone? We & the UN were idle on Darfur. There is a moral case where one side is bent on genocide that should have universal agreement between all “civilized” people. ISIS is attempting to kill all who do not submit to their religious beliefs. Genocide.
      Every M.E. country should be looking at them like a cancer, how big do they let it become before removing it?

      As for the US, same thing. Is this some Arab Hitler wanabe? Iraq, then Jordan, Syria…Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt, Libya and all the M.E. surrounding Israel. Then the Jew’s. And then do we wait for them to attack Turkey or Spain? Their intentions are clear. Their ability is small, but so far they seem to be outperforming what should be possible.

      As for the US & our morals. Ever stop & help someone change a flat tire? A good deed. Ever not stopped & helped? How does that make you a bad person with no morals & principle? Do what good you can when you can. Shed tears for all the sadness.

      It’s not our fight. If we wage war on ISIS, I would like NATO or some other allies with us.
      But in the end, there is a strong moral case for making them dead. Not for helping Iraq, the government or nation. Just for killing terrorists.

  13. Next time you watch the news pay attention to the weaponry…….

    • Tomahawk’s & Hellfire’s obsolete & out of production? Replacements are in development?
      And we just sold a huge # of Hellfire’s to an ally. Any chance we will run low on ammo?

      • When you watch the news reels again…and it shows the soldiers of IS……look at the hand weapons……watch and see how many M-16’s vs AK 47’s….and how many 9mm Berettas there are…..it is the little things that matter, here. Look at the grenades and the web gear.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          d13

          What is your take on the weapons. I see mor AK’s in the photos I’ve seen. Along with other “Russian” looking materials. Then I also see what looks like American.

          And of course there are the captured heavy vehicles and artillery they took from the Iraqi’s they chased off.

          So……….what is your take?

          And WHERE EXACTLY did this group come from and WHO is continuing to support it.

          • This group is a splinter group from Al Queda….They are Sunnis…….Sunnis hate the Kurds and the Shia….this is nothing more than a tribal conflict. HOWEVER, if you remember, two years ago, I predicted the splintering of Al Queda and the triparte splintering of Iraq…It goes like this, basically….Syria and Northern Irag are Sunnis….Southern Iraq and Iran are Shia. Both are branches of Islam and the adherents of both are Muslims, all bound by the same Quran, the same five pillars of Islam – belief in one God, daily prayer, fasting, charity, and hajj, or pilgrimage. Where they mainly differ is on the question of who should have succeeded the Prophet Muhammad, who founded Islam in 620. Now, Basically, Sunnis and Shiites differ on who should have succeeded Muhammad after his death in 632. Sunnis supported the succession of Abu Bakr, the prophet’s friend while Shiite Muslims felt the rightful successor was the prophet’s son-in-law and cousin, Ali bin Abu Talib. This all boils down to Sunnis believe Muslim leaders can be elected, or picked, from those qualified for the job. Shiites believe leaders should be direct descendants of the Prophet Muhammad. So they don’t recognize the same authority in Islam. Now remember that neighboring Iran is majority Shiite while Saudi Arabia is majority Sunni. Yemen, Bahrain, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Lebanon have significant Shiite minorities. Sunnis make up about 85 percent of the world’s Muslims.

            Now, what you have, is a Sunni uprising of sorts. Under Hussein, the were kept primarily in the north with no practical resources…..no oil fields. Since the civil war in Syria, which was a strong Shiite partnership with Iran, even though Syria is largely Sunni…….the Sunnis take this chance to move. The civil war was not the fault of the United States as it was brewing anyway, but when the US intervened, a vacuum was created…..then the vacuum was created in Iraq on the US leaving. So,…the Sunnis ( Al Queda ) have taken advantage. They now have control of major portions of Iraq and Syria, including oil fields for revenue.

            Iran cannot make a move because the Saudis are waiting for this…so are the Russians and Chinese.

            In the meantime, you have the Sunnis, which are believers in the strict Islam interpretation of the Quran where infidels have no standing and Christians are a pariah, you now have genocide taking place and there is no one to stop them. The UN is powerless, Russian is powerless, China is powerless…..the Saudis want it to happen and Egypt is out of the picture and is largely becoming Sunni at a very fast pace.

            This is age old from the 600’s. No US hegemony at all. The only thing that US hegemony did was give them all an enemy. Now that the US is pulling out….it is strictly tribal. The region is about to explode……AND….watch for the unholy alliance of Israel with the Sunnis. It will happen.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              d13

              Good morning Sir.

              I understand the Sunnis vs. Shia conflict. I don’t understand Saudi Arabia supporting ISIS or Al Quada. These groups pose a threat to the ruling family. At least they claim they are a threat.

              So where is all the support coming from? Weapons, etc???

              Can you comment on the new theory that the CIA and Mossad CREATED ISIS?? That makes not sense to me either. I expect that individuals may have been trained who later turned to ISIS. Your take on this one???

              • Good morning…..it depends on your definition of “created”…..we armed Syrian rebels to go against Assad. Assad was strongly linked to Shiite Iran….Syrian Rebels are Sunni….Sunnis are IS ( Independent State )…..so, did we create them? Of sorts, the same way we created the Afghan Rebels by arming them when the Russians were in there.

                A failing of the United States is old cold war meddling….however, there is a new cold war that has started and with the same antagonists. Now, how far do we want to go…..you have seen BF’s thoughts on the ME and mine….take your pick. I do not believe that hegemony is the ALL EVIL……anytime you are the big kid….you will always be perceived as a bully no matter how much good you do.

                Most of the IS weapons are confiscated and stolen. Iran is the sleepy dog in a lot of this…more so than the United States. However, their brand of hegemony is beginning to fall apart as Iran’s design of 12th Imam or the new Caliphate is unraveling….some of the weapons are Iranian and some are Russian. If you look at the pics closer, you will see a lot of M16 rifles, 203 grenade launchers, and 9 mm Beretta’s. Those are American weapons given to the Iraqis and confiscated by the advances of IS.

                Interestingly enough, there are two standard NATO rounds…..the 5.56 (.223 ) and the 7.62. Since NATO has adopted these rounds, ammunition is in great supply…..However, the Russians are retooling to a 5.45 round…..Interestingly enough, the M16 5.52 will not fire the new Russian 5.45 cal….but the Russian 5.45 Cal WILL fire the 5.56. So, ISIS is not stupid….they have all three weapons and can fire any ammunition they find on the battlefield.

                In addition, the Russians are dropping their standard side arm, the Makarov, in favor of a new 9mm Strizh. So, Makarovs and AK’s are in abundance….AND BOTH will shoot the standard NATO rounds….whereas the American weapons will not….but having both means there is a plethora of ammunition on the market and in warehouses and military bases around the world.

                To your question of the Saudis…..they are Sunni. ISIS is Sunni…..Sunnis hate Shiites. The Saudis win if Iraq goes Sunni and Iran is surrounded by Kurds and Sunnis. Now, ISIS is slightly more radical but not much…the Saudis have made a deal with the devil.

  14. ISIS spokesman say Muslim infidel’s are first priority. The Jew’s have a little time.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182632#.U-YiEo0g-Uk

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    OMG………….. the most damning admission by Mr. Obama possible.

    I doubt we will see any of his boot licking lackeys acknowledge this comment or admit that it supports the criticisms made against him from the get go.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/09/obama-libya-mistake_n_5664552.html

  16. ” “However, neither right can be fully exercised without the assistance of someone else.”

    “By pairing gun rights and abortion rights, Judge Thompson was not just indulging in shock value. He was making a profound point: that a right — any right — without the infrastructure and the social conditions that enable its exercise is no right at all.”

    “Do I have to point out how delicious this analogy is? Of course, it’s unthinkable that Alabama would regulate firearms dealers to the point of extinction.” ”

    Oy vey!! Now I’m not an attorney but there is much more that seems to be insane arguments to me.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/07/opinion/new-judicial-approaches-to-abortion-rights.html?ref

    • As a gun guy, I find the logic interesting. Chicago, New York City, Washington DC and others have tried the back door approach, making it difficult if not impossible for retail dealers to set up shop to sell firearms or using the constant tightening of “reasonable” restrictions on storage, insurance or some other alleged danger posed.

      This is one of those cases that may create more problems than it solves. Obviously, this is one judge. Others will have to follow and the case may be appealed right up to SCOTUS. However, the inclusion of the 2nd Amendment creates a lot of mischief for the gun banning folks. I could stretch the logic to the people who want to ban ammunition for its lead content or for the soft steel cores of much imported ammo now being categorized by the Feds as “armor piercing”.

      Judges truly must be from another dimension of time and space.

  17. Thank goodness we left it in good shape! Can only imagine what would be happening there had we left it a mess.

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/146912-obama-2011-leaving-behind-stable-self-reliant-iraq/

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Interesting comment contained in that post:

        Democracy has been working in Kurdistan. Democratic principles applied to a republican form of government can work in a real nation, even a Muslim one.

        Nations spring from shared cultural identity. In order to defend their common interests people unite against the Other that controls the territory outside of the nation.

        Fake nations cobbled together from warring tribes that hate each other are empires, not nations. Empires are a collection of nations held together by force. Democratic principles supporting a republican form of government cannot be maintained in empires. In defending the interests of their nation, almost everyone votes against the interests of the empire.

        America is becoming an empire, and it is destroying our republic. The European Union is an empire the elites are trying to force on the people of Europe. It will fail, as a ‘nation.’ It will disintegrate, or democracy there will die.

        The fanatical cult of multiculturalism/diversity is the mortal enemy of liberal democracy. Our elites love the cult, in the same way they always admire what they imagine to be well-functioning tyrannies. They see the divisions as weaknesses that can be exploited for profit …. er, the betterment of mankind.

        fadetogray on August 11, 2014 at 8:15 AM

  18. JAC/Stephen….you gotta love this one. As a private pilot, one of the requirements to maintaining a class III license is a bi-annual physical and check ride with an instructor. It used to be, that you went to what ever doctor did flight physicals and they send in a form that says you passed/fail.

    Under OBAMA…….the FAA has mandated that all pilots must now register with the FAA to receive a special code number that you have to give to your doctor who then enters it and uploads your info directly to the FAA. Ok, so I go to this FAA website and register and up pops a questionnaire. Among the questions asked were:

    1. Are you a holder of a concealed weapons permit. 2. How many weapons do you have in your home. 3. Does any of your family or extended family own weapons 4. If so, what type. 5. How much ammunition do you own for each weapon 6. Enter the serial numbers for each weapon that you or your extended family own. …..

    There are several more questions like this and several questions asking for your bank information and account numbers.

    Of course, I answered no to everything and claimed that I did everything in cash and do not own credit cards or have bank accounts.

    Just thought you would like to know how Federal is encroaching….much more than Bush ever did and the Patriot Act allows, This POTUS is very dangerous.

    • Good morning Colonel 🙂

      This is simply insane. But I must ask, what happens when one gets caught falsifying the questionnaire? Lose license? Get arrested for perjury? What’s next with these new Nazi’s? I do have a great idea, let’s keep the immigrant kids and deport the Progressive Democrats one for one. 😀

      • Well, since Texas does not report to the National Data Base on gun sales and since Texas is not required to keep a data base on names and addresses of gun owners……in order for the Feds to find out, they have to come down and raid homes….I would not recommend it.

        As to bank information, the IRS already has it. As to State run banks that are not members of the FDIC, they are computerized, so the Feds probably have it through hacking.

        I did get my physical signed off….and my check ride will be completed tomorrow….( I have NO problem with check rides as it is good to have to prove proficiency in the aircraft. We have to go through stalls and a night landing, if we do not have 6 logged within the last 6 months….this is a good thing and pilots do not mind. Have to shoot some IFR approaches but other than that…..nothing else.)

        The doctor also has reference to those questions but was not asked anyway. The doctors do not agree with all of this either.

        BTW…good morning to you, sir.

        • What is happening in Texas, and I guess elsewhere, is that the Feds have set up on Federal highways, immigration check points. But they are not checking immigration. They are checking everything else and people are rebelling. They are being tased and arrested for refusal to allow searches. The check points are manned by Federal Immigration officials that are armed. These check points are 80 and 100 miles away from the border. Citizens are being stopped and searched without reasonable cause.

          What is funny……these check points are only in states that are offering resistance to the Feds…..Texas and Arizona….interestingly enough, there are no check points in New Mexico or California. Hmmmmmmmm?

          To counter act the Feds, the Texas Department of Public Safety, which also has jurisdiction on Federal Interstates, has stationed units with the “roving” Federal check points observing. The Feds are complaining because they claim that the Texas Troopers are watching them ( the Feds ) instead of helping…and they are right…that is exactly what we are doing. Now the other interesting point of all of this, is that it was noticed that when a truck full of illegals was stopped by Federal Immigration officers designed for just that purpose..they were let go. Texas citizens were detained and their records checked because everyone carries a gun.

          What is also fun, is that the Federal Immigration gets in the face of the Texas Troopers citing Federal jurisdiction, but the Texas Troopers are saying no to that because Immigration has no authority to check gun registrations or vehicle registrations….it is a DPS job and Texas is asserting its power. The Feds are backing down….

          The whole moral of this story is that Texas is not going to buckle under to Federal Authority for frivolous reasons. Rick Perry has said that Texas is a sovereign State……and has State Laws. We will protect our citizens from unlawful and heavy handed Federal tactics.

          One last thing that is interesting……I wonder why the border agents are using “non lethal” ammunition but the roving Federal Immigration check points are armed?

          • I would like to see Texas kick out all Federal agents, or remove their ability to act as law enforcement. Actually, I think all Federal agencies should be disarmed and relieved of any law enforcement duties.

  19. Saw this report on MSNBC this morning…..seems that Obamacare was established to help 40 million people get insurance…..well, 7 million ( number disputed ) signed up but there are now 45 million without insurance.

    Before Obamacare, 1 in 5 persons had medical related debt. Since the implementation of Obamacare, 1 in 3 now have medical debt. According to the report, the increase in medical debt is two fold…..(1) Insurance premiums and deductibles increased an average of 20-60 % AND (2) Obamacare has now issued exemptions for over 3 million people and that is rising fast.

    In this same segment, they were comparing England, Canada, and some other supposedly single payer systems and it was noted that….NONE had medical research facilities and all have piggy backed off the costly research of the US. Even MSNBC said this is not right…if these systems are supposedly so great for the people, then why are they not involved in research and development instead of relying on the US? Interesting questions.

  20. Just A Citizen says:

    Krugman, once again, criticizing things he simply does not understand.

    Notice how he simply dismisses the courts as the replacement for regulatory agencies. He deliberately mixes up calls for Tort reform with justifiable law suits for ACTUAL damages caused by others.

    We will never reach anything like VDLG as long as the establishment talking heads can keep this kind of thinking in the mainstream. Which, by the way, is why young people FAVOR a larger Govt, even though they recognize it is not efficient or effective.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/opinion/paul-krugman-the-libertarian-fantasy.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-top-span-region&region=c-column-top-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region&_r=1&assetType=opinion

  21. Just A Citizen says:

    Anita

    How about that Kellen Moore the other night? The ONLY touchdown of the game. Ticked me off after the game the media ONLY talked about Manzel, yet Moore must have had a higher QB rating than all the others in the game.

    D13

    How about the finish at the PGA Championship. I said two years ago that young Irishman was going to be something. AND all his peers who are one bunch of great young golfers. I hope Fowler gets his soon. Playing great golf, just not as good as Rory this year.

    • Nope…Rory playing well……I am an old schooler and wanted the “old man” to win…..but Rory hung in there…I thought that they were wrong on the finish…..if I were Rory, I don’t think that I would have chanced it and waited until morning….but that is why I am here and he is there. I thought the PGA officials were just wrong and the TV had the call…..too much TV money to wait until the next morning.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        I was hoping for Mickelson’s Eagle attempt on 18 to drop. Rory would probably then have picked up his ball, finished Monday with Par and then we would have been treated to a playoff. Phil played GREAT.

        It was nice to see a tourney come down to the last shot for a change.

  22. The barbarians are at it again: http://www.infowars.com/video-cop-aims-gun-at-local-official-as-ferguson-resembles-war-zone/

    I can understand protests. I can even believe the cops were wrong. The riots are not solving anything. It pays to be armed sometimes and a few business owners proved it: http://www.infowars.com/these-two-businesses-did-not-get-looted-can-you-guess-why/

    • Rioting is like Ferguson is nothing more than jungle mentality. They can, therefore they do and they will blame it on a shooting. Interestingly enough, I see the left wing media hyping the fact that Ferguson ( just outside St Louis ) is a predominantly black neighborhood ( 75% ) while iterating that the police force is predominantly white. But, other than a witness report, that is dubious at best, reports that the shooting officer was white…..however, the media is not lamenting that fact. AND, just because the police are not releasing the name of the officer, does mean that the shooting officer was white or black, However, the media, I bet knows….and the fact that there is not jumping up and down that it was a white police officer…..I wonder if the offending officer was black.

      Does anyone know? It is not getting much press down here either way….it is in St Louis and that is North of the Red River. I cannot tell from the links here nor when I research it. I just cannot believe that the media does not know.

      • This is something that we should all take note of. I’ll post an article down below about what may be happening within the poor black communities (courtesy of the Liberal education indoctrination). Noone really knows the facts of the shooting involving the young black kid, except the cops and the witness. They both tell different stories. The facts are that a black kid got shot dead by a cop and the black community are protesting. I totally doubt the looters and rioters give a rats ass about the shooting, like you said D13, jungle mentality. Of course, they do this in their own neighborhoods, against totally innocent people, which leads me down the path of the upcoming article I will link too.

        It is also hard to accept the idea that blacks are anything beyond barbarians, as a whole. Not all of course, but much like the radical Islamist’s, the stories and actions tell a different story of both groups, who many claim are peaceful. There is too much evidence to the contrary to believe the BS peaceful mantra. Blacks are not a peaceful group, period. Muslim’s are not a peaceful group, period.

        The question is, what to do to change this. Can anything be done, or is it all preordained and bred into the people? Sad to have to see things this way, but actions have repercussions. They can’t seem to stop killing each other (both groups). I’ll rant more later, 🙂

    • David Skekabim says:

      Why are they taking their frustrations out on innocent business owners?

      It stands to reason that if their quarrel is with the police, they would direct their focus toward the police department.

      • Easy pickin’s, I guess………does not make sense……

        • David Skekabim says:

          ” Easy pickin’s, I guess ”

          Maybe. But not necessarily. Everything has a weakness, …including police departments.

          With proper organization and maybe a small investment, a gang of about 20-30 men could effectively wreck an average suburban or township police precinct and any operational capacity in about 5 minutes, (…minus the time invested for intelligence gathering and planning stages).

          But I would argue that as a last resort against an out of control or unruly police department. Surely there must be a list of peaceful and effective measures to take before it got that far.

          I’m also curious what it would take to push a citizenry to that point.

          • DS, there are many examples of the police getting out of control (as well as governments as a whole). Remember the true story of Buford Pusser? I’m sure there are many more, but that one came to mind.

            Unfortunately, when it comes to the issue of corruption in the PD and government, usually peaceful means simply won’t be effective. That’s why we have the 2nd Amendment, to deal with this type of tyranny 🙂

      • We are back to reliving the 1960’s endless stupid wars fought the wrong way, sharp left leaning welfare state at home, more and more excuses for bad behavior. If you have time, Google the Harlem, Detroit, Newark, LA riots of the ’60’s all started over similar occurrences, all led to hand wringing on the left.

        Children being crucified and beheaded and we devote 99.9% of our limited attention span to a spoiled, rich comedian who threw away his talent and did a big FU to his family! Not saying there is not mental illness out there, everybody has issues, but as humans, we are supposed to let the sane part control the insane one.

        • I turned off the TV News, all BS. They cannot be trusted any more than the Feds. The whole world seems to be suffering from moral decay. We seem to be heading toward WWIII or worse. Maybe all the talk of collapse a few years back wasn’t about the economy, but, the people.

        • Yes…it is the 60’s relived……terrible.

  23. Yikes! Hope you have your oars with you over there in MI! Are you all safe?

    http://twitchy.com/2014/08/12/flooding-in-detroit-turns-deadly-state-of-emergency-declared-photos/

    • We’re fine here near the airport, 4 1/2 inches of rain yesterday….just minor flooding around my neighborhood. 75 and 94 closed in multiple spots around Metro Detroit. Pretty bad in the northern suburbs. No panic, no FEMA. No looting! They got their free water now, boy!

      Still battling this STINKING BAT in my house! EEK!

  24. Ahhhh….bats eat bugs and really drop a lot of guano….we set up bat houses in our back yards to keep the mosquitoes away, Anita, we do not let them in the house,

    It is not a vampire bat, is it? You know, the ones that turn into really hunky guys or busty females.

    • Yeah, well…. I don’t ‘let’ them in either. You could jump in that Baron and take care of the problem, since none of the men, especially my normally tough son can seem to handle it! Had a roof leak a while back… damaged drywall ceiling..cut small square of damage away..never repaired ceiling yet…Where did that bat go??? Of course, he’s up in the hole in my ceiling..probably dropping all kinds of guano on the top side of the drywall. He’s made 3 appearances that I know of so far. He’s been my guest for about a month now.

      Have you ever searched Google images for bats?? Omggggg!! They look like Satan’s pets!!

  25. I believe that here in the United States we are witnessing this gradual process unfold before our very eyes. Gregory H. Stanton has identified an eight-stage process that generally occurs in the conditioning of a people to prepare them for genocide. In this article, I intend to give a brief analysis of each of the eight steps (if applicable because we have not completed all of them) and how they apply to the situation we currently face in the United States.

    The first step is classification. This simply means classifying people into different groups and intentionally dividing people along ideological lines. Once this is accomplished, stark contrasts can be made between different cultural groups and these differences can be used to incite hatred and create discontent. The job of community organizers is essential here because one group of people will be convinced they are being oppressed by another.

    Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/08/communism-white-privilege-coming-genocide/#KySzbcawPYtbK26X.99

    Is this what is happening in the US?

  26. Why some people should not have a badge. Or a job with authority: http://politicaloutcast.com/2014/08/corrections-officers-gone-wild/

  27. Interesting development in Akron, Ohio. NAACP, Al Sharpton all jumping on the curfew law in Akron saying that it is designed to hurt blacks and “keep them down”. Requiring unescorted kids to be home by 9 pm…( 16 and under )….Crime rate dropped……all of the main stream media and libs upset…..

    I guess they forgot to look before leaping…..the mayor of Akron and the City Council that passed these restrictions upon the oppressed black community…………………….are all Black themselves.

  28. Then this from Minnesota and Tennessee…….Apparently several restaurants and fast food places are now listing the exact costs, including profit margin, on their receipts….

    The example that I saw was a hamburger restaurant in Tennessee…..actual cost of hamburger, including profit margin of 2%….was 15 cents. Mandatory itemized taxes and fees charged by the local, State, and Federal governments, including Obamacare tax increase and the minimum wage increase…..$10.12. Total cost of hamburger $10.27.

    People are becoming upset at the price of things so several restaurants have decided to post it on the receipt as to where the money is actually going……..It seems that several politicians think that this is wrong in that it unnecessarily upsets people and are trying to pass a bill in the Senate making it against the law to disclose this information on a receipt.

    Sigh……

  29. Just A Citizen says:

    Every now and then you can stumble onto little gems contained within other stories that shed light on what our Govt’s goals and priorities.

    So here is Secretary Hagel’s comment to a Marine that reveals Mr. Obama’s priority to shift our emphasis TO the South Pacific. This one completely escaped my watchful eye. Did anyone else know that was our new priority in foreign relations and preparedness???

    Here is the story and quote:

    “Fresh off a trip to India and Australia, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel addressed a group of Marines in San Diego, California Tuesday, and may have delivered a line that will show up in Republican campaign ads this election cycle. After updating the troops on some issues in the Pacific region and the Middle East, Hagel took questions from some of the Marines and gave a stark assessment of the global security situation: “The world is exploding all over.” The remark came in response to a question about the Obama administration’s realignment of the military towards the Asia-Pacific theater:

    Q: Good afternoon, sir. My question is that, given that the administration’s primary focus is on the Pacific theater, how has all of the issues popping up in the world today, Russia, Iraq, Africa, the rest of the theaters pretty much affected that current mission? And how do you foresee that affecting the mission in the future?

    SEC. HAGEL: Thank you. That’s a — go ahead, sit down — that’s a question I got often when I was in India and Australia. And the trip I just came from was my sixth trip to the Asia Pacific area in the last year-and-a-half. I’ve got four planned this calendar year. And so I get that question all the time. It’s a legitimate question for the very reasons you asked.

    The world is exploding all over. And so is the United States going to continue to have the resources, the capabilities, the leadership, the bandwidth to continue with the rebalance toward the Asia Pacific? And the answer is yes.”

  30. Voting works my ASS :

    An academic look into the driving forces behind American Federal policymaking concludes that the average citizen in the United States has “essentially zero” influence over the direction of government.

    According to the report, even when a majority of Americans wants the government to do something, it is powerless against the influence of “economic elites” – the corporations, people and monied special interests that drive nearly all U.S. policymaking.
    http://personalliberty.com/average-american-essentially-zero-influence-u-s-policy/

    • Let us not forget the courts. Never the courts. No matter what you want, the courts are quite capable of stopping it. Visit yesterday’s ruling on the gun ban in Maryland. The “Judge” has issues with the AR-15 platform. Somebody tell me where that’s in the Constitution.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      There are two flaws in these arguments.

      1. A single person is not the proper place to look for “affect” of voting. “The average person” is only ONE vote.

      2. Claiming that a majority cannot get action is based on a SHORT or IMMEDIATE time frame. And it ignores the fact that Govt requires a “majority” of those who vote in order to maintain enough support to continue its operations.

      Then of course there is the real problem. A majority may want govt to do something, but they do not vote the way they claim they want Govt to move. The argument would only be valid if a majority wanted a certain action AND then ONLY voted for that action.

      One more little thing. “PEOPLE” with money to influence congress includes MOST Americans under one or more lobby groups.

      This argument against the effectiveness of voting is an oversimplification of a complex reality.

      • This argument against the effectiveness of voting is an oversimplification of a complex reality.

        In easier words, a simplification of a reality. Well put.

        One more little thing. “PEOPLE” with money to influence congress includes MOST Americans under one or more lobby groups. In easier words, those with the money get the results (not those who vote.

        One of the clearest examples of how voting fails is to look at the black community. Not one thing has changed for the better since the black community came out and voted for Obama, nothing, nada. The lives for most blacks have gotten worse, not better.

        It’s all about the money. Voting is a complete joke and only serves to fool the masses into believing they can make a difference. Bad news, they can’t. They never will. Money talks. That’s what gets things done in government, not votes.

        • How did it get from where the Ds controlled all three branches to where the Rs have the House? Who got paid for that?

          How will you explain it when the Rs get the Senate this fall? Who gets the money for making that shift?

          Exactly what is Obama supposed to do to help the blacks? The moment he does anything to help the blacks you will say…That’s what you get for voting for Obama…

          How about the LGBT crowd? Obama has done plenty for that group. Things have swayed in their direction under Obama.and you say…That’s what you get for voting for Obama

          You can’t have it both ways.

          Especially since “voting doesn’t work”.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            The Lgbt issue was a legal matter resolved in courts, against the voters will in most cases, remember? Voters said no to gay marriage, how has those votes worked out? They were useless

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Gay marriage is a perfect example of voting vs money, money won

              • Just A Citizen says:

                G

                Really?

                How many millions were spent getting State’s to pass anti Gay Marriage laws?

                Who was funding the legal battles?? How did BIG MONEY get Gay Marriage legalized by the Courts??

                And by the way, the majority of citizens in those states which passed such laws now support Gay Marriage.

              • Lots and lots of money to give the illusion that their votes counted, then when the voting was all over, they were told their vote was worthless. Will this teach a lesson? NO!

                Back to the subject within the link. Voters have zero input in policy, period. That is totally undeniable. Example, the bail outs! 90% of the people were against, it passed anyway. I rest my case 🙂

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Gman

                Did you miss the part where we are a Republic and NOT a Democracy??

                So why should what 90% of the people want TODAY be the basis for making decisions that will affect many years and perhaps decades??

                WHEN has 90% or even 60% of the POPULATION ever maintained the SAME VIEWPOINT for more than about 12 months??

                Which by the way is why the Framers created a Senate with longer terms. To SLOW down the process to “cool the passions of the populace”.

                Oh, one more thing on your example. The 90% did not vote on the matter of the bailouts. When they first had a chance they threw out the Dem House of Reps. A direct affect of voting.

                Now notice how the action of Congress along the same lines was slowed to a crawl after that? Notice how the left is always howling about the do nothing Congress??

                All because of the VOTING that occurred in 2010 and again in 2012.

                G..you want to condemn voting based on your view that change and response should be immediate. Yet there is not large system in the world that could or should necessarily run that way. Which is one reason why Govt should be as decentralized as possible. It makes it easier to respond quickly if needed.

                VOTING is a concept. You can’t claim the concept is OK at the local level but somehow fails at the National Level. VOTING is not the problem. It is a combination of our expectations and the lack of rational voters.

              • JAC, did you miss the part about the Federal Government being totally and absolutely corrupt? They don’t care about your or I, to believe so is retarded. They are too big, too powerful and don’t mind using violence to stay that way. Voting will change nothing, period.

          • Anita, I’m hoping that the Repubs take over both houses of Congress, just to watch Obama squirm. Other than that, nothing will change, except the color of the shirts I the Capital Bldg. The more it changes, the more it will stay the same 😀

  31. Just A Citizen says:

    GREAT example of the media deliberately misleading the public about the position of a Republican in order to help Democrats. Daily Kos carried a similar commentary a couple days back.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/lee-terry-minimum-wage_n_5674847.html

    I saw the same thing on the news tonight when the press was questioning the police chief of that town in Missouri with all the trouble. He had issued a statement ASKING that demonstrators remain peaceful and try to keep their demonstrations to the daylight hours.

    So the press asked him “why is there a curfew?”. There is not a curfew, he replied.

    “Then why did you order demonstrations end by dark?” I did not make such an order, he replied again.

    He was simply asking that people end by dark because that has been when the trouble makers start their dirty work and when all the damage had dangerous activity has been going on.

  32. Just A Citizen says:

    PS SUFA, and a special heads up to D13

    RUMOR has it that Mr. Obama is returning early from vacation to make a MAJOR move on “immigration”. We are about to see what he thinks his authority is to move alone.

    I say RUMOR, which happened to be openly discussed by Rachel Maddow this evening. Along with a fellow she interviewed is has organized a PROPAGANDA group to lay the ground work to the Dems to move on immigration reform and paint the R’s as a bunch of Hispanic hating racists.

    This is the same group now putting out information on how other POTUS’ including Reagan used executive orders to extend aliens’ stay in the USA due to circumstances within their home country.

    Problem is that the largest number ever included in these “executive actions” or “prosecutorial discretions” was in the thousands or tens of thousands. NOT MILLIONS.

    At each of them was a TEMPORARY extension, like to Chinese visitors during the Tiananmen Square violence, and Nicaraguans during the Sandinista revolt.

    So typical of these people but it provides a great example of how a violation of a principle creates “moral creep”. Because the question is not longer right or wrong but “how much/many/often/etc., etc..”

    • Watching Mr. Maddow could cause a severe case of idiotitis. You may have been one of only a handful of people to watch the show. Waste of good commercials if you ask me 🙂

    • JAC…..that is not going to be the real problem…..There is a growing,,,,and I mean GROWING movement in several states…we shall see how it works here,,,,,

      BUT….PTA groups all over Texas are saying that they are organizing boycotts and demonstrations at the schools whose student rate is increasing because of illegals….in some cases, one school is supposedly taking in 300 this one year alone….and that is 300 more than budgeted. And, the biggest lie….there IS NO FEDERAL FUNDING EVEN THOUGHT THE MONEY HAS BEEN ALLOCATED………Obama has blocked the emergency funding.

      So….the school districts are rising up and they are saying…we cannot afford it and we will do something about it. They will not be let in….let them go to California or somewhere….we will NOT deficit spend.

      We shall see…..we shall see……

      Oh, and voting does work….we have done that at local levels and it is changing policy….for the better.

    • Read somewhere last week, speculation is that Obama is leaving his vaca for a few days to deal with immigration – not by executive amnesty – but by declaring pardons for lawbreakers.

      BTW – where’s our diehard liberals? How’s their guy doing?

  33. Just A Citizen says:

    Anybody else getting a kick out of watching the lefties howl about the Militarization of the police all of sudden??

    I guess being late to the game is better than never showing at all.

    Oh and how about the irony of POTUS whining about how the police should not be intimidating the media???

    Life certainly offers up a lot of irony and humor these days.

    • Not at all! The Left are mostly idiots who want big brother until it kicks their ass. They are getting what they ask for, but it’s not funny because that same government oppression will/is/has been aimed at all of us. This another part of “policy” that the people need to get control over. Anybody that thinks the militarization of the police is a good thing, don’t know shit about history and where this will likely lead. Shame on everyone who have ignored this revelation, I have been harping on it for some time, only to be called a conspiracy theorist. Not so much of a theory now, is it?

      • Oh, some reports from those there in Mo. The so called “cops” aren’t what many know as local. Reports are beginning to lead to outside security forces being hired to deal with the riots. I have no doubt that Mercs will be used at every opportunity, this may be the earliest example. We all know the cops will not stand and fight if TSHTF, they will go protect their own. More info needed, but wouldn’t be surprised if many of these are Fed contractors.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          G

          It was already reported that the town called for help from neighboring towns once the first night of rioting happened.

          So yes, many of the cops shown in the videos of the past two days are not locals, but they are not “mercs” either. They are cops from other towns.

          I watched a lot of video on this the past two nights. What struck me was how the number of demonstrators and cops was not anything like many photos make it out to be. Maybe 50 to 100 people on each side.

          The police did not have to make such a show of force during the daylight demonstrations which were clearly peaceful. They only agitated the demonstrators and played into the media and “community organizer” hands.

          One of the media types arrested last night even admitted that things were calm until someone threw a bottle at the cops. At that point the police declared “this is no longer a peaceful demonstration and you must immediately disperse”. Given the previous nights violence that may have been justified.

          However, I think it was to quickly used. One bottle by some whacko is not another riot.

          The local chief doesn’t seem to know how to interface with the locals. Instead he was visiting with the NAACP.

          Now that media types got pushed around and jailed the HOWLING has escalated to beyond anything that resembles the actual video pictures. WAR ZONE was one invective used. I guess if you can limit a war zone to a one block area………… good grief.

          • Just passing on what I’m hearing from people at the scene. The tactics are similar to other “large” civil unrest actions documented, non of which were led by local’s. This shouldn’t last much longer, one would think, as the protestors will tire and go home. I don’t see any events like an “Arab Spring” type event that lasts for weeks or longer. The media is not happy, as they shouldn’t be. We should have live coverage of everything on TV for all to see. The cops seem to see things differently. I’m not comfy with that detail, are you?

            As a note, they are using sound weapons that the Feds said were for foreign civil issues, not for use at home. Don’t get near any riots my friend, it’s best to watch them on TV or internet 🙂

            On another subject, another unusually cool week here. July was the 7th coolest on record and things are quite wet. Hunting prep is slow going but it’ll get done. Some garden crops are taking a hit due to too much rain, but so far we’ll get through it. Grass is still green, which I haven’t seen in my lifetime this time of year in this area, global warming my ass 🙄

            Hope you and yours are doing well! 🙂

  34. The sufferance of these United States impels action to ensure the existence of the nation. The history of the present president is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his minions to be charged with crimes both high and low in order to present an image utterly hostile to the truth; he has endangered the nation both from enemies abroad who have sworn its destruction by refusing to condemn their governments and in many cases, aiding and abetting them, and those enemies who enter the country defying its laws and intent on defying the laws once ensconced in the nation; he has invaded the sacred privacy of individuals by tolerating the use of government apparatus to spy on them without their knowledge; he has championed the rights of the living to deny the right to life to those about to join their ranks; he has created enmity among the populace, separating one group from another with the use of separatist language rather than the language of unification, he has endangered those most at risk as they serve their country by destroying the defensive tools intended for the protection of the nation; he has supported the destruction of the free use of faith that is the pillar of Western civilization; he has appropriated the power granted to other branches of government in order to further ends that cannot be legislated because there is legitimate opposition to them; he has willfully ignored the future financial demise of the nation while indulging in spending doomed to ensure the demise is a certainty.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/13/A-Second-Declaration-of-Independence

    While I certainly agree that we need a new Declaration of Independence from the Fed’s, I still cannot agree with the last paragraph and believe it is possible within the current system. For the sake of discussion, someone convince me that the system is not rigged and that a new President can meet the stated call. 🙂

    Good Morning SUFA 🙂 Where the hell is summer? It’s 46 degrees this morning, that’s October weather, not mid-August weather. The Global warmers need bitch slapped until they wise up 😀

  35. Folks…..here is what some are missing. Response….I am a firm believer in that a response to a particular situation needs to be decisive and final. If you have looters and rioters ( not peaceful protests ), the response should not be the same..you do not confront looters and rioters with batons and stun guns….you confront them with whatever force is necessary to stop it immediately….. and not with rubber bullets. These are not innocent by standers. There is no innocent person that throws a brick through a window and steals what is not theirs. There is no innocent person that uses arson to burn something down that is not theirs. This is NOT a protected freedom of speech issue not is it a right of protest. That said……..

    When you militarize a police force with Kevlar helmets, m 16’s, grenade launchers, armored vehicles you are creating a mindset. You are creating a wannabe’ special forces unit. You are creating an environment that goes from enforcing the peace to become a military style unit that is designed for war and not designed for civil unrest. It is one thing to use an armored style personnel carrier to transport police into a known hostile area but it is another thing to arm the police with a personnel carrier that is equipped with a 40mm cannon. Even with rioters, I can see no use for a 40mm cannon. The police do not need m203 grenade launchers. They already have tear gas launchers that are just as effective.

    Take it from a person who still trains the military National Guard and who trains Department of Public Safety Personnel in guerrilla warfare tactics. We are constantly on the lookout for attitude changes that such equipment and tactics fosters.The situation down here is a little different as we are combating armed individuals but even then we look for attitude changes….and we get rid of personnel that exhibits the wrong kind of attitude and they are easy to spot. So, when you arm a police force with military equipment, expect a military mindset unless you change it and train them properly.

    • Uh oh, Colonel. You went rogue on me. You say stop it with full force, then you wouldn’t let them follow through. So which way is it?

      Notice, though, that as soon as they changed chiefs and got rid of the military vehicles, the indians settled down. So I see that as the people aren’t putting up with militarized police business. That’s a good thing. It’s a thin line, though.

      • Did not go rogue at all, maam. Full force does not mean a 40 mm cannon. To stop rioters and looters….shoot them with real bullets…..not bean bags nor rubber bullets. If it is a peaceful protest, peaceful means just shouting and marching….let them shout and march until their heart is content…..I do not believe that a thrown rock is peaceful nor protected speech.,,,if someone throws a rock, it is with intent to do harm….I would not take a baton to him.her, I will shoot them. It is not a matter of “reasonable response”….it is a matter of decisive response. If someone walks up to torch a building….torch them. THAT, maam, is what I mean.

        But….you take a police force armed with cannon, Kevlar, automatic weapons, grenade launchers….this is not police.

  36. JAC…..you need to come down and join our veterans group…..we have a six flags right here in Arlington and we have notified them that we plan to bring 200+ veterans in buses wearing their t shirts next weekend. We have even supplied them with the routes that we are taking. This is to show support for the marine in New Jersey that was turned away because of his t shirt.

    We will have t shirts on that say..”Proud to be Infidel”….’America, love it or leave it”…..”You will not burn THIS flag in my presence”….” These colors do not run…never have, never will “…”Peace through superior firepower”….”Remember…proper sight picture prevents miss”…” Breathe, sight, squeeze”…..

    Wonder what will happen.

  37. Officials Announce Surrogacy Law Reforms After Couple Wanted Baby With Down Syndrome Aborted

    by Genevieve Plaster | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 8/14/14 11:18 AM

    Last week, Thailand officials announced a reform of its surrogacy legislation by way of a newly drafted bill that would ban commercial surrogacy. This move to tighten restrictions comes after two widely-reported and controversial surrogacy cases gone wrong in the nation – the now-famous story of Gammy, a twin abandoned by his intended parents due to his having Down syndrome; and that of one Japanese businessman’s 13 surrogate-born infants and their mothers discovered in an apartment.

    Last Thursday, Thai officials held four press conferences at which they explained the nation’s current law involving surrogacy. As it stands, the third-party reproductive technology procedure is legal if carried out by a doctor with a government-issued surrogacy license. This law applies to medical institutes. Commercial surrogacy agencies, on the other hand, operate with no real regulations.

    gammy2Boonreung Trireungworawat, the Permanent Secretary of Thailand’s Health Department, expressed his concern over his country’s lack of restrictions on surrogacy.

    “The assisted reproductive technology has existed in Thailand for a long time but now it’s become an issue because there are stricter regulations in other countries. The parents have migrated to Thailand because Thailand does not actively go after the issue. They will now understand that the Thai law will be stricter.”

    If this new bill becomes law, the penalty of surrogacy for profit could yield up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to 200,000 baht, or $6,200. Commercial agencies, advertisers, or other kinds of surrogate mother recruiters would be subject to five years in prison and a fine of up to 100,000 baht ($3,100).

    While surrogacy itself presents numerous problems, Gammy’s case highlights the particular difficulties of legal differences across countries as well as the harm done by disability discrimination in utero.

    Gammy’s intended father, David Farnell of Australia, stated last Sunday on the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s (ABC) 60 Minutes: “If it would have been safe for that embryo to be terminated, we probably would have terminated it, because he has a handicap and this is a sad thing. And it would be difficult – not impossible, but difficult.”

    According to a health law expert, Dr. Sonia Allan, however, an abortion for this reason would be illegal under Thai law, as it is restricted only to the exceptions of serious risk to the mother’s health or if the pregnancy was a result of sexual assault.

    Farnell went on to blame the Bangkok-based surrogacy agency, recalling in the same interview that he said, “Give us back our money. This is your fault.”

    As for the discovered 13 surrogate-born infants, police are currently investigating the case at the urging of former Minister of Social Development and Human Security Paveena Hongsakul. She suspects foul play as she is aware of “gangs” that seek spinal cord stem cells from trafficked infants with a procedure that may be potentially lethal. The 13 children appear to be safe as Hongsakul transported them to a government orphanage north of Bangkok.

    The drafted bill has been submitted to the head of legal and justice affairs under the military junta, and afterwards will be passed on to the interim legislature for review this week.

    Besides this legislative move for restrictions, all 240 licensed surrogacy professionals, members of the Medical Council of Thailand and the Royal Thai College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, will meet later this month.

    Though surrogacy is often portrayed as a service – a good, even – and though some may dismiss these cases as unfortunate and rare, the reality is that they simply highlight the very uncertainties and complexities inherent in any procedure that recruits a third party to bear a child. Human rights and not mere commercial contracts – much less product quality control – are at stake.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2014/08/14/officials-announce-surrogacy-law-reforms-after-couple-wanted-baby-with-down-syndrome-aborted/

  38. LOL! Check this out and make sure you click on the link.

    http://twitchy.com/2014/08/15/hilarious-redsteeze-shows-what-everybody-in-ferguson-right-now-is-up-to/

    Happy Weekend SUFAers! We have had just gorgeous weather in WI and more is on the way. Cool nights, no humidity, enough rain to have everything green in mid-August! Love it!

  39. Uh OH!

    Breaking new revelations in the controversy over the police shooting of 18-year old Michael Brown have not only changed the narrative completely, they probably guarantee that the police officer in question, Darren Wilson, will be exonerated.

    If not for new video evidence showing a person who has been positively identified as Brown committing strong-arm robbery nearby (at the same store which was looted and burned in the aftermath of his death), and just prior to the shooting incident, officer Wilson might have been railroaded as George Zimmerman nearly was last year, and falsely convicted of a very serious crime.

    Lo and behold; the key witness at the scene of the shooting was Brown’s companion, Dorian Johnson, now revealed by published police reports to have been positively identified as being involved in the robbery himself. That means his account of what happened is not credible in the slightest, besides being logically impossible and absurd to begin with.

    Read more at http://clashdaily.com/2014/08/michael-brown-case-suddenly-blows-wide-open-likely-slam-dunk-favor-police/#HXU5flQPeQ6uVsMC.99

  40. President Barack Obama is an Islamist who is intentionally working against the security of the United States, said former Florida Rep. Allen West.

    “The only plausible explanation for many actions taken by President Obama and his administration is that they are working counter to the security of the United States of America,” the retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel wrote in a post on his website on Wednesday.

    West cited the president’s decision to release five senior Taliban members in the exchange for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl; supplying weapons to support the Egyptian government led by the Muslim Brotherhood; and negotiating with Hamas.

    He also criticized Obama’s decision to suspend a ban on Libyans attending U.S. flight schools and studying nuclear science, which had been in place since 1983.

    “Can anyone explain what the strategy and objective is here in lifting this ban with a nation that is or should be on the terrorist watch list?” West wrote.

    “Sorry, but I can only explain this one way: Barack Hussein Obama is an Islamist in his foreign policy perspectives and supports their cause.”

    He added, “The pivot away from the Middle East seems to be nothing more than an opportunity to enable Islamists and their goals. Anyone supporting this Libyan ban being lifted is indeed an enemy of this state.”

    Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/West-Obama-Islamist-Mideast/2014/08/15/id/588980/#ixzz3AVQb3H5g

  41. FYI……Six Flags Over Texas in Arlington said last night……..t shirts with vulgar language or nudity will not be allowed. All other T shirts are welcome. The general manage said that military personnel have been wearing t shirts forever and it has not made a roller coaster jump a track yet…..

    • I think so many of the people in this Country have been so protected from the real life effects of war, that they have no idea of how grateful they should be that we have men and woman who will take on that responsibility. I figure it will take an actual war on our soil before Some people will relearn to appreciate our military men and woman instead of obsessing over a picture of a friggin gun.

  42. Court: Silence can be used against suspects
    Associated Press
    By PAUL ELIAS 16 hours ago

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The California Supreme Court has ruled that the silence of suspects can be used against them.

    Wading into a legally tangled vehicular manslaughter case, a sharply divided high court on Thursday effectively reinstated the felony conviction of a man accused in a 2007 San Francisco Bay Area crash that left an 8-year-old girl dead and her sister and mother injured.

    Richard Tom was sentenced to seven years in prison for manslaughter after authorities said he was speeding and slammed into another vehicle at a Redwood City intersection.

    Prosecutors repeatedly told jurors during the trial that Tom’s failure to ask about the victims immediately after the crash but before police read him his so-called Miranda rights showed his guilt.

    Legal analysts said the ruling could affect future cases, allowing prosecutors to exploit a suspect’s refusal to talk before invoking 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination.

    “It’s a bad and questionable decision,” said Dennis Fischer, a longtime criminal appellate lawyer.

    Tom’s attorney Marc Zilversmit said he is deciding whether to petition the U.S. Supreme Court to take up the issue or renew his arguments in the state court of appeal.

    “It’s a very dangerous ruling,” Zilversmit said. “If you say anything to the police, that can be used against you. Now, if you don’t say anything before you are warned of your rights, that too can be used against you.”

    The state Supreme Court in a 4-3 ruling said Tom needed to explicitly assert his right to remain silent — before he was read his Miranda rights — for the silence to be inadmissible in court.

    Tom has been freed on $300,000 bail pending his appeal.

    Tom was arrested after his Mercedes sedan plowed into a car driven by Lorraine Wong, who was turning left onto a busy street.

    Prosecutors argue that Tom’s car was speeding at 67 mph in a 35 mph zone when the collision occurred. He was placed in the back of a police cruiser but was not officially arrested and advised of his rights until later in the day.

    Prosecutors said Tom’s failure to ask about the Wong family while detained showed his guilt.

    Justice Goodwin Liu dissented.

    “The court today holds, against common sense expectations, that remaining silent after being placed under arrest is not enough to exercise one’s right to remain silent,” Liu wrote.

    The ACLU filed a friend of the court brief supporting Tom’s appeal.

    Fischer and others say the ruling might not be the last word on the issue.

    The high court ordered the court of appeal to reconsider the case, meaning it could return to the California Supreme Court.

    The high court is undergoing a dramatic transition and it’s possible that two new justices would reconsider the ruling.

    Baxter, a Republican appointee and reliable conservative vote on the court, is retiring in January.

    Meanwhile, Gov. Jerry Brown recently nominated Stanford University law professor Mariano-Florentino Cuéllar to fill a vacancy.

    “This could be the last hurrah for a conservative Supreme Court,” appellate lawyer Jon Eisenberg said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/court-silence-used-against-suspects-185551462.html

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I’m not sure why this is a “last hurrah” of a Conservative Court.

      But this decision is pure un-adulterated BULLDOOKEY>

      A person’s failure to talk is proof of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

      • I didn’t get the “last hurrah” comment either.

        I was always under the impression that reading someone their rights was to make sure they knew what their rights were.

        To hear a court of law say people “needed to explicitly assert his right to remain silent — before he was read his Miranda rights — for the silence to be inadmissible in court” was the same as saying one doesn’t actually have those rights. That you have to somehow claim the right or have someone tell you about them before they exist.

  43. The question isn’t whether or not you, Miss Perry need a man-it’s whether or not your child needs a FATHER. I feel like I’m listening to the “I am Woman” song. Until I get to the last of the article and read a child’s feelings of guilt, confusion, and anger over the real life effects of her mothers choices. I don’t think I will forget her defining of who her father is because it is just so sad:

    “My dad is a stranger, who jacked off to woman-trashing porn, and sold his sperm to a woman he doesn’t know on the Internet, for sixty dollars. Thats the dignity of my conception, two strangers exchanging money for ‘materials’ over Craig’s list, and that’s all I will ever know about him.”

    Katy Perry Doesn’t Need a Man to Have a Baby
    Fathers are apparently optional.

    by
    Leslie Loftis

    Bio
    August 15, 2014 – 1:21 pm

    In “Yes, Katy Perry, Babies Need Daddies,” D.C. McAllister wrote about Katy Perry’s declaration to Rolling Stone that this is 2014 and she doesn’t need a man to have a baby. But McAllister just touches the tip of the iceberg on both Perry and children’s need for fathers.

    Perry is being more callous to her future child than the typical woman who realizes that she wants a baby, doesn’t happen to have a partner, and, therefore, for her convenience decides that she doesn’t need a man to have a baby. Perry left her marriage to Russell Brand a few short years ago because he was ready to have a baby and she wasn’t. From a piece I did in 2012 on pop rock and the hookup culture:

    In her movie Part of Me, Katy Perry addresses her divorce, essentially stating the Love Myth. “I thought to myself, ‘When I find that person that’s going to be my life partner, I won’t ever have to choose [between my partner and my career].”

    Before anyone thinks that this is just the silly and self-centered musings of a Hollywood starlet, this notion of easy love that never requires compromise passes for thoughtful feminist discourse these days.

    Perry saw her husband’s desire to start a family as trying to force her to slow down her career when she didn’t want to. To be perfectly blunt, she chose her career over her marriage and her future child’s ability to have a father. She doesn’t have the typical excuse that she was unlucky in love and is now hearing the ticks of her biological clock pound in her ears.

    I note that she also mentions in Rolling Stone that she doesn’t think she will need to have a baby without a partner. She expects that her life partner will come along, any day now probably. (I suggest she produce a takeoff of the viral 29/31 song by Garfunkel and Oates. [Warning: language]) If she doesn’t learn how to compromise, then she will find that all of her romances are temporary. Compromise comes to all partnerships. She even sang a song about this, illustrating that we do not need to understand the words that come out of our mouth in order to sound good.

    According to McAllister, the women of The Five on Fox were supportive of Perry:

    Dana Perino said she “totally” gets what Perry means. “I love the father-figure idea, but maybe there just isn’t enough research or time yet to see if women like Katy Perry can make it work.”

    Actually, the research is in and has been in for about 10 years. Best outcomes for children: 1. Intact family, 2. Shared parental custody, 3. Paternal custody, 4. Maternal custody.

    The only reason the conventional wisdom thinks that mother care is the best for children is because divorce custody law and precedent were formed back when the only social research we had was on orphans and mother bonding. We didn’t study—we didn’t need to study—father bonding and their value to children until the ’80s when there were suddenly many children of divorce to study.

    A father is a terrible thing to take from a child.

    Introduction from Anonymous Us on Vimeo.

    McAllister correctly notes that these debates rarely consider the good of the children. Turns out, we don’t have to imagine what the children think. There is a place where they tell us. The Anonymous Us Project is about giving voice to the donor conceived. They have an anonymous testimony board. It’s hard reading. I’ll excerpt one [unedited]:

    I had a single mother by choice, she has been the only mom I know and the only person I will accept as my parent. she had no issues telling me that I was conceived by a donor and although it was ‘normalized’ for a moment, as I grew up with questions about my origins it wasn’t as normal any more…

    I look at history, and there are dads, I look at wildlife, there are dads, I look at society and there are dads. Dads are everywhere, maybe its media but I feel like I’m missing out. I feel like I will never know what it’s like to be in the arms of a man who loves me unconditionally in a innocent non-sexual way, and who will be my other half. I will never know what it’s like to bond with my other genetic parent, I will never know what it’s like to look at the rest of nature and know I was conceived the way I was suppose to be…you know, outside a science lab….and not on a dish to be shoved into a refrigerator.

    But these feelings make me feel like I’m a bad child; I betrayed my mother, and some of her feminist friends who praise her for being a single mom, and not taking help from a man. On TV the Cryo Generation seems just fine, and because they aren’t screaming out “I want a dad!” I feel as though my feelings are invalid and selfish. But then I think “shouldn’t kids’ feelings come first?” But then I think “no because our parents made us, so we should always be grateful for whatever they do.” But then I think “that’s not fair, why bring a kid into the world just so you can be happy?”. But then I think oh shit, I’m being selfish and betraying my mom again!

    She’s nice to me, yet she made my dad anonymous on purpose so I could never find him, even though she had both a dad and a mom, and she’s even close to her dad. Do you know what it’s like to hear her stories about the awesome dad she had, and all the great things she did with him, that I will never have? It burns. It burns so hard I can’t talk because I choke.

    I can’t say I’m for or against sperm donning, because I guess some kids don’t mind… but what people tend to forget is what about the kids who do mind? Do we matter? Why should our childhood and our feelings be sacrificed, so our folks can have the parenthood experience of their dreams? I thought parenting was about the cute babies, not the parents.. I just feel weird about it. I’m sure Im just some terrible daughter and I probably don’t matter… I mean, if I did, my dad would probably want to see me, but whatever. My dad is a stranger, who jacked off to woman-trashing porn, and sold his sperm to a woman he doesn’t know on the Internet, for sixty dollars. Thats the dignity of my conception, two strangers exchanging money for ‘materials’ over Craig’s list, and that’s all I will ever know about him.

    http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2014/08/15/katy-perry-doesnt-need-a-man-to-have-a-baby/

    • It is a sad world that we live in. Men have more or less been relegated by the “perfect woman:”to the scrap heap of history. To the less than perfect woman, living in a ghetto, both parties have realized that in the Social Services world, men are less than zero. They are a liability rather than an asset.

      Assuming a generation is 20 years (shorter in a ghetto with 45 year old Great Grandmothers), we are now almost in the fourth generation since the “War on Poverty” Those “men” floating around out there either in the ghetto’s of the cities or the ghettos of the exurban trailer parks, smoking reefer and Chrystal meth have no clue of what it means to be a man. In a very sick way, the society has created the boys who never grew up, the Peter pans from Never Never Land. Our prisons are stocked with them.

  44. Interesting article on Powell, neo-cons, Rumsfeld and Cheny from a liberal paper but not off the mark by any means.

    http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/08/post_47.html#incart_most-comments

    • Just A Citizen says:

      SK

      I think there are a few errors in this article, as the first is quite glaring.

      The author claims that Rumsfeld AND Cheney cooked up the Iraq invasion and sold it to Bush.

      Rumsfeld’s book, Tommy Franks book and one other source I have read claim that the White House came to Rumsfeld and requested a war plan for Iraq.

      I suspect Cheney was the primary driver in pushing this solution.

      However, the information used to justify the invasion was NOT COOKED as the author claims. Per another source, the first review didn’t show connections between Al Quaeda and Iraq. It was the work of a mid level analyst in DOD that discovered some connections.

      This of course gave Cheney ammo for EMPHASIZING these connections, without exploring the depth or meaning of those connections.

      Another fact is that Powell visited CIA to PERSONALLY review the intelligence before going to the UN. So claims that the intelligence was “cherry picked” or that he was “spoon fed” the information is also FALSE.

      The author also seems to forget what happened in Iraq following Bush I’s halting our invasion. This is when Saddam gassed his people. When we left people hanging that we had promised our help.

      If there is one pattern in our “diplomacy” since WWII this seems to be it. Run before the job is done and then leave our “friends” hanging in the wind.

      • Those points are valid. My kids, the vets have little use for Franks and they are pretty smart so I will discount him. I can see asking for war plans just in case.

        I too was taken in by the intel, I was high diddle diddle right down the middle to Baghdad and I’m no dummy. These guys fooled me. Now of course there is the strong possibility they fooled themselves too. Aren’t I the guy who constantly states that facts trump feelings, thinking or opinions?. But, they got me here, I thought they had facts.

        I would love to know what Powell really knows now. The hatred that he has developed for the entire Republican establishment may just be from his tarnished reputation but I suspect it was a lot more. Perhaps he too “wanted” it to be and did not look closely enough but nonetheless, that image of the guy in the UN, doing his Adlai Stevenson impersonation from the “62 Cuban Missile crisis, must stick in his craw.

        We must always remember that that is the very same CIA that missed 9-11 and has been missing things back to Korea. They are actually very good at missing things. Not bad at extrapolating wrong conclusions too. The current incarnation of the CIA has bollixed up Libya, Egypt, Syria and never heard of IS or ISIS or whatever. Entrails at Delphi would probably do better!

  45. Just A Citizen says:

    FERSUSON

    Something smells rotten to me. I am having a hard time putting my finger on it but I think it is because this entire event is the juncture of several different issues and factors that are being mixed together.

    One MAJOR bothersome supposedly fact. NO policeman in his right mind tries to “pull a person into their car” when the door is closed. The only reason to do this would be if the officer was trapped and felt this the LAST and ONLY option to protect him/her self. A “friend” of the officer has now told a story to the press that is far more plausible as to how this devolved to a shooting. It does not justify the final shots but it certainly explains how a “jaywalking” stop turned so ugly. And it has nothing to do with race based harassment.

    Second bothersome fact. Not relating to facts on the ground but on the reporting. It is presumed that the “witness” is telling the truth and that nothing to policeman says could be true. Yet the “witness” was party to the crime that happened before the stop. He was not charged. Yet there is no recognition by the vigilantes that the police let this fellow walk free, even though he is accusing them of murder.

    All events like this involve a series of events and decisions by independent players that intersect at a given point in time and space. Right now the media coverage, from both right and left, is ignoring how all these relate to the players involved and can turn what should be a calm situation into a violent one.

    One more note on the crap weasel media, primarily msnbc, huffpo and daily kos, at this point. These outlets have run stories on past violence by the Ferguson police on black people. It is not until very deep in these stories that you find out that the police chief has since been replaced and new procedures put in place due to this past behavior.

    We have ZERO information on what this police jurisdiction has done or been accused of doing since that time. Apparently the officer involved had a “clean” record. I say apparently because this has not been confirmed.

    Now that the media has poisoned the well, just as the police are accused of doing with the robbery video, does anyone think there will not be major violence if the DOJ finds out that the officers story is valid???

    Oh, for those who don’t read other sources, the lefty sites were extolling the virtues of the Missouri highway patrol taking over and how “they know how to do policing properly”. All because of the initial optics of Mr. Johnson walking with protesters. Well they are silent this morning now that RIOT gear was brought out due to late night rioting and vandalism.

    Could it be that the Ferguson and St. Louis county cops knew what they were dealing with and were not completely wrong? I say completely because I do think the show of force during the daylight hours was not needed and did act to inflame things.

    The media also makes a big point about how the town is mostly black but the police dept is mostly white. I have not seen a single story explaining how this could be possible. I am assuming that the police chief is either elected or appointed by the city, who in turn is elected. One would think that a large majority of black people would elect folks to city council who share their concerns. Perhaps the city is run by a larger jurisdiction which is not dominated by black folks. I haven’t checked into this but did notice no explanation by the media.

    I don’t have time at the moment to prepare a sold article on this, ala USW’s style. But I wanted to share some thoughts on it before it gets pushed to the back page by the next crisis.

    P.S. What are the “extra ordinary” circumstances in this event that justify the DOJ conducting its own autopsy of the victim?

    Anyone else concerned about how quickly DOJ steps into LOCAL and STATE matters these days, under the guise of “civil rights” investigations???

    • All excellent points. Add this to your list the Fox babe two days ago round noontime reporting on the crisis referred to it as a “murder”. Remember how I said that he who controls the language controls the debate? They language used here and in the Staten Island NY case by all the media is atrocious.

      Years ago, someone clued me in on this one. The legal definition of the word “homicide” is quite different than the common understanding of the word. So, when the DA or Coroner issues a report it is nothing other than the causality of how someone died (as opposed to falling off a cliff).

      http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/homicide

    • gmanfortruth says:

      One would think that this is the straw so to speak and folks are fed up with the cops and their actions/attitudes. Not really a shock and I expect more of this in other cities with high black populations and crime problems.

      The DOJ are only involved because the kid killed was black, just as they put their nose in the T Martin killing. If either was white and a black killed them not one peep would come DC.

      Liberals are clueless about how their policies are much to blame for many of these problems. But, we can’t fix stupid so the blacks keep voting for Democrats. Want to solve most of the issues blacks suffer from , outlaw liberal democrats, they are the true racists and the real problem. 🙂

    • When black youths riot, the media leaves out the race. When a black commits a violent crime, race is not mentioned. Why then is it suddenly needed in the headlines that a black man was shot by a police officer. They always include he was unarmed, but don’t mention him resisting. Right or wrong, the cops were tried and judged by the media on day one. They chose to make this a national story.

      Do a search on black man shot by police. A lot of stories will appear. Why this one now? Iraq? Hillz & Obama’s tift? Obama stopping missile sales to Israel. Russia & Ukraine? The world needs to chill & let him get his R & R.

      “P.S. What are the “extra ordinary” circumstances in this event that justify the DOJ conducting its own autopsy of the victim? ”
      Distraction, pure partisan distraction.

  46. A happy story! On second thought, Charlie might take issue with who is getting the money.

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168770-man-struggling-pay-bills-shock-family-heirlooms-auction-price-changes-life-forever/

  47. I’ll give the woman points for telling the truth-it’s her conclusions that I find just unbelievable-first she blames her boyfriend for getting Her pregnant because she was too immature at the time to handle the situation then with her next breath she talks about how capable she is at making her own decisions. I think this whole article is a better anti-abortion piece than an actual anti-abortion piece..

    Stop calling abortion a ‘difficult decision’
    2137 More

    (Shannon Freshwater for The Washington Post)
    By Janet Harris August 15
    Janet Harris is the president of Upstream Analysis, a news and social-media analysis firm. She was previously the communications director of Emily’s List, a political action committee supporting Democratic pro-choice women running for office.
    Planned Parenthood calls abortion “a difficult decision” in many of its consent forms and fact sheets. When NARAL launched a film on the 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade in 2013, the president of the pro-choice organization called abortion “a difficult decision” women and couples face.

    Lawmakers use the adjective, too. “It was a difficult, difficult decision, but it was the right one,” Nevada Assemblywoman Lucy Flores said last month in defending her choice to have an abortion at age 16. In 2005, then-Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton described the decision to have an abortion as “one of the most fundamental, difficult and soul-searching decisions a woman and a family can make” and “often the most difficult [decision] that a woman will ever make.”

    However, when the pro-choice community frames abortion as a difficult decision, it implies that women need help deciding, which opens the door to paternalistic and demeaning “informed consent” laws. It also stigmatizes abortion and the women who need it.

    Often, abortion isn’t a difficult decision. In my case, it sure wasn’t.

    When I was 18, my boyfriend, whom I was with for more than a year, frequently pressured me into having sex. At the time, I lacked the maturity and experience to exert more control over the situation. For more than 10 weeks, I progressed from obliviousness about my pregnancy to denial to wishful thinking: Maybe if I ignore that I missed two periods, that pesky little fact will go away.

    Once I faced reality, though, having an abortion was an obvious decision, not a difficult one. The question wasn’t “Should I or shouldn’t I?” but “How quickly can I get this over with?”

    This was in the mid-1980s, when abortion was about women having control not just over their bodies but over their destinies. An unwanted pregnancy would have derailed my future, making it difficult for me to finish college and have the independent, productive life that I’d envisioned.

    For many, the same ramifications hold true today. A Census Bureau study released in July found that women who have their first child out of wedlock get less education and are more likely to be unemployed and single — even many years later — compared with other women.

    Today, when advocates on both sides of the debate talk about the decision to have an abortion, they preface their statements with adjectives such as “difficult,” “hard” or “reluctant.” For anti-abortion conservatives, the reason for using such language is clear: Abortion is murder, they contend, but characterizing a woman who has one as a murderer is a bit, well, harsh. A more charitable view is to assume that she must have struggled with making this immoral choice. Pro-choice advocates use the “difficult decision” formulation for a similar reason, so as not to demonize women. It also permits pro-choice candidates to look less dogmatic.

    But there’s a more pernicious result when pro-choice advocates use such language: It is a tacit acknowledgment that terminating a pregnancy is a moral issue requiring an ethical debate. To say that deciding to have an abortion is a “hard choice” implies a debate about whether the fetus should live, thereby endowing it with a status of being. It puts the focus on the fetus rather than the woman. As a result, the question “What kind of future would the woman have as a result of an unwanted pregnancy?” gets sacrificed. By implying that terminating a pregnancy is a moral issue, pro-choice advocates forfeit control of the discussion to anti-choice conservatives.

    Contrary to numerous movies and “very special” television episodes portraying abortion as an agonizing, complex decision (“Obvious Child” notwithstanding), for many it is a simple choice and often the only practical option. A 2012 study published in the journal Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health found that the vast majority of women seeking an abortion — 87 percent — had high confidence in their decisions. This level of conviction contrasts with the notion that millions of women vacillate over whether to have an abortion.

    The circumstances matter, of course. Planned or wanted pregnancies involving fetal anomalies, or in which the health of the mother is in question, may require heart-wrenching decisions. But these situations are quite rare. A Guttmacher Institute survey of women in the United States seeking abortions found that 3 percent said the main reason was a fetal health problem, and 4 percent cited a problem with their own health. The percentage of women seeking an abortion because they were victims of rape or incest was less than 1.5 percent.

    The far more common situation, accounting for 51 percent of all pregnancies among American women, is an unintended pregnancy, either mistimed (31 percent) or unwanted (20 percent). A 2008 study found that 40 percent of unintended pregnancies, excluding miscarriages, ended in abortion. It is in these cases that the portrayal of hand-wringing and soul-searching is more likely to be at odds with the day-to-day reality.

    Another survey suggested that “once women suspect pregnancy, most of them who seek an abortion act fairly quickly.” In fact, most women — even those who obtained abortions within the first six weeks of pregnancy — would have preferred to have their abortions earlier than they did. The most common reason for delaying was difficulty in making the arrangements, which is connected to having difficulties obtaining money for the procedure. Just 10 percent of women who would have preferred to have had their abortions earlier said the delay was due to religious or moral concerns.

    Abortion rights groups are struggling to expand their message from “pro-choice” — which they say no longer resonates with voters as it once did — to more broadly encompass women’s health and economic concerns. The movement needs such recalibration precisely because it was drawn into a moral debate about the fetus’s hypothetical future rather than the woman’s immediate and tangible future. Once these groups locked themselves into a discussion of “choice,” terminating a pregnancy became an option rather than a necessity. Pro-choice groups would be a lot stronger, more effective and more in sync with the women they represent if they backed away from the defensive “difficult decision” posture.

    Getting an abortion is not something any woman wants to go through. An unplanned pregnancy is highly stressful, and for many it is humiliating evidence of a failure in judgment. Getting an abortion is expensive — not as costly as carrying a baby to term or raising a child, but expensive enough that half of all patients need help paying for it. And in many places, getting a safe and legal abortion can be more difficult because of parental-consent laws, distance to an abortion provider or a gantlet of hostile protesters outside the clinic doors.

    Of all these difficulties, deciding whether to get an abortion is often the least of them. The situation may be difficult, but the decision is usually straightforward.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/stop-calling-abortion-a-difficult-decision/2014/08/15/e61fa09a-17fd-11e4-9349-84d4a85be981_story.html

  48. Test

  49. Just A Citizen says:

    Not a bad diagnosis of tensions in the country.

    Followed by the WRONG Prescription.

    Kareem impresses me whenever he writes. But he falls for the tired old list of socialist solutions.

    http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/

  50. I think the cost factor is covered-it can’t cost more to buy and store the information than an event like what is happening in Ferguson is costing. So that leaves privacy issues and to me the question of whether or not the police should have the ability to turn the camera’s off.
    And what happens if the camera is destroyed by accident or on purpose. It would have to be pretty indestructible or it would be more of a protection for the police than the citizen. Course having a criminal on video might make them more likely to try and kill the officer too. Now I’m just over thinking this 🙂 So what do you guys think?

    What Happens When Police Officers Wear Body Cameras
    Use of force by police officers declined 60% in first year since introduction of cameras in Rialto, Calif.

    By CHRISTOPHER MIMS CONNECT
    Updated Aug. 18, 2014 5:28 a.m. ET

    A Los Angeles police sergeant demonstrates a body-mounted camera. Associated Press
    Sometimes, like the moments leading up to when a police officer decides to shoot someone, transparency is an unalloyed good. And especially lately, technology has progressed to a point that it makes this kind of transparency not just possible, but routine.

    So it is in Rialto, Calif., where an entire police force is wearing so-called body-mounted cameras, no bigger than pagers, that record everything that transpires between officers and citizens. In the first year after the cameras’ introduction, the use of force by officers declined 60%, and citizen complaints against police fell 88%.

    It isn’t known how many police departments are making regular use of cameras, though it is being considered as a way of perhaps altering the course of events in places such as Ferguson, Mo., where an officer shot and killed an unarmed black teenager.

    What happens when police wear cameras isn’t simply that tamper-proof recording devices provide an objective record of an encounter—though some of the reduction in complaints is apparently because of citizens declining to contest video evidence of their behavior—but a modification of the psychology of everyone involved.

    The effect of third-party observers on behavior has long been known: Thomas Jefferson once advised that “whenever you do a thing, act as if all the world were watching.” Psychologists have confirmed this intuition, showing that something as primitive as a poster with a pair of glaring eyes can make test subjects behave better, and even reduce theft in an area.

    One problem with the cameras, however, has been cost. Fortunately, fierce competition between the two most prominent vendors of the devices, Vievu LLC and Taser International Inc., TASR +11.21% which makes the cameras used by Rialto police, has driven the price of individual cameras down to between $300 and $400. Unfortunately, one place where expenses can mount is in the storage and management of the data they generate.

    Both Taser and Vievu offer cloud-based storage systems for a monthly subscription fee. Think of it as an evidence room-as-a-service, where vendors are happy to see police departments outsource some of their most critical functions, and be subject to the same kind of vendor lock-in that can make corporate IT managers weary of the cloud.

    But Taser’s system stores video data on Amazon.com Inc. AMZN +0.84% ‘s cloud, where prices are falling rapidly, and there isn’t much about cameras from either vendor that couldn’t be reproduced by an enterprising startup. Given that body-worn cameras use components from the mobile industry, where prices are ground down by scale and competition, it’s possible police forces will soon be able to come up with their own solutions, or use off-the shelf products such as Google Glass.

    These are all reasons that Michael White, a professor of criminology at Arizona State University and, as the sole author of the Justice Department’s report on police and body-mounted cameras, says the cameras, now a curiosity, could soon be ubiquitous. It has happened before: Taser’s guns went from introduction to use by more than two-thirds of America’s 18,000 police departments in about a decade. “It could be as little as 10 years until we see most police wearing these,” says Dr. White.

    Not everyone is happy about this possibility. After an order by a federal judge that the New York Police Department equip officers with body-worn cameras in some districts, the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association issued a report declaring that they would be an “encumbrance.” In the mid-1990s the rollout of dashboard cameras, now standard issue in most patrol cars, met the same resistance, which is why Dr. White says it is important that the adoption of this technology be accomplished through consensus.

    “There is a presumption that citizens will be happy with this because it seems to provide more transparency and accountability, but that might not be the case, especially in areas where there are long-term tensions between police and their communities,” says Dr. White.

    Still, privacy issues abound, and rules about protecting both witnesses and police must be established and tested. Officers would have to turn on their cameras during every encounter with citizens, argues the American Civil Liberties Union, but there might be exceptions, such as when officers are interviewing victims of assault, says Dr. White.

    None of these issues have stopped police forces in the U.K., where departments have a decade head start on their counterparts in the U.S., from ever-wider adoption. Police in England and Wales are engaged in large-scale trials, and the aim is to make body-worn cameras standard issue.

    In the U.K., where tests with them began in 2005, studies have shown that they aid in the prosecution of crimes, by providing additional, and uniquely compelling, evidence. In the U.S., in some instances they have shortened the amount of time required to investigate a shooting by police from two-to-three months to two-to-three days.

    And they represent yet one more way we are being recorded by means that could eventually be leaked to the public.

    Of course, sometimes events happen that accelerate the adoption of a technological fix. The tragic irony is that police in Ferguson have a stock of body-worn cameras, but have yet to deploy them to officers.

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/what-happens-when-police-officers-wear-body-cameras-1408320244

    • Just A Citizen says:

      V.

      Perhaps we should explore the next step. Street cops wired with cameras and microphone/ear piece. Dispatchers watching and listening to each call. Trained people with dispatch that can help the officer de-escalate a situation.

      Kind of like a little voice on their shoulder telling them to behave properly.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      One more thought on the police brutality issue.

      Maybe we should force officers to transfer to less stressful locations after just a few years in the metropolitan areas.

      I have personally seen the affect a career in these hell holes has on the mentality of the police. Mark Furman is a saint compared to many of his “friends” who have moved to Idaho. Their views on minorities are the result of dealing with only the low life of society on a daily basis, for twenty years.

      We need to address this in some manner.

    • Only question that counts, has crime been reduced?

      I’m feeling that we are in a replay of the ’60’s here. There are some awfully bad cops out there but always in the minority. There are a lot of very good cops out there who deal; with the scum of the earth on a daily basis. I have dealt with the scum of the earth on an occasional basis, believe me, I would not want an audio record of my comments played before a jury with a lawyer cherry picking what could be played.

  51. Tired of Ferguson..how about this?

  52. So when will hear the real reasons for O’s break in his vacation? Expecting Executive Actions to be forthcoming shortly, And then he’ll scamper back to the links tomorrow.

  53. Some interesting states today….

    In 2013, according to the FBI….Nationwide there were approximately 30,000 arrests per day…In that same time period, there were 460 police shootings….for the whole year.

    In this same one year, the arrest rate was 42% white….34% black…28% Hispanic….

    In Ferguson, this was the first police shooting.

    Of the 460 police shootings in 2013…..72% were whites being shot…….

    So, someone show me where (a) blacks are being arrested disproportionately and (b) where blacks are being systematically hunted down and shot by the police.

    The FBI went on to report….of all the homicide against blacks in 2013, 84% were black on black……

    CNN REPORTING….

    • D,

      Doesn’t that math tell us cops & voters don’t care about blacks killing blacks? It doesn’t say but I think is true, blacks will empower their own killers. Can this be compared to Iraq? That they will not have peace until they stand up for themselves?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      d13

      Which STATE did you find so interesting??

      LOL

  54. Well damn. I was going to write a short article with links about Ferguson. But am having issues with wordpress at work & home. I will get something new up when posts hit around 200. As for Ferguson, what makes it extraordinary? Is this the first unarmed black man shot by police this year? Since 2012? Since 2008 & Obama’s election?

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/17/holder-orders-a-federal-autopsy-of-michael-brown/

    Think back on the Zimmerman trial & how the liberal media & Dept. of Justice wanted a conviction. Truth & Justice be damned, they wanted a political statement. And hear we are again. They want to make this a civil rights issue & legislate thru the courts. Where were they when Oscar Grant was shot in Oakland? An unarmed, black youth, in handcuffs, not resisting, is shot in the back by a BART officer. Here we have a large, strong & aggressive man resisting or attacking an officer. Travon Martin smoked “blunts”. Cigars remade with pot. I have seen a report that MJ was in his blood/system.

    It seems the State & Fed’s wanted the info & video kept secret. I have to applaud the police chief for releasing the info that he has, they were being tried by the media & the government that was supposed to be helping was using them for an agenda. Transparency?

    As with Zimmerman, the Conservative Treehouse seems to be breaking thru some of the lies ahead of everybody else.

  55. Just A Citizen says:

    Very good article/editorial. My only heartburn is the continued denigrating of “ideology” as if having an ideology automatically caused one to do bad things.

    http://www.redstate.com/2014/08/18/ferguson-missouri-fog-partisanship-ideology/

  56. Do not know how true this is……but….I saw security pictures on TV showing black kids in Ferguson, wearing bandanas and hoodies to hide their face, pants around their butt cheeks, one kid shooting the lock of a store door…..and then gangs of blacks….NO WHITES….looting the store. The report went on to say that of 31 arrested last night…..NONE WERE FERGUSON residents. All from out of town.

    One of the first things that went through my mind on the images of blacks wearing head and face scarves were the pictures of the Muslim men overseas wearing head and face scarves as they were firing their weapons in the air. No one wants to be recognized.

    So, how does anyone take seriously, the images that we see other than lawless black kids (in the Ferguson case) looting and burning and taking advantage of the issue. This is not a reaction to a shooting….this is an opportunity. It has NOTHING to do with inner city poverty and everything to do with law breakers and looters.

    If there was a message to be had with the Brown shooting, it is lost and all I see now are thugs and rebel rousers out for themselves and destroying anything in that city that was good. So…..someone from the left, who have apparently left SUFA……tell me…….would you invest money into a food store or department store in inner city Detroit or any where that is a black community now? I would not….it would not be worth the risk.

    Generational poverty is not the white man keeping the black community down…this is utter bullshit. Generational poverty IS THE MECHANISM for keeping ANYONE down. Generational poverty is a creation of the dependent class. AND dependency is cultural and cultural is not racist.

    I am sick of it because every one blames and no one acts to stop it.

    Also, is anyone paying close attention to these autopsies? They are calling it excessive force when someone is shot six times. The media has no business in this line of work because they are STUPID. Anyone who has had to shoot before…..understands and knows that one bullet ( unless in the head ) will not drop an adversary much less slow him down. This is why we are taught to shoot the head several times….severing the spinal column. The shot in the head, according to the autopsies was not the first shot. I know from personal experience that five shots in the chest does not stop an advancing person. I have seen it and done it. The Hollywood movies of shooting someone in the leg or arm will NOT stop them and barely slow them down. It is a hoot to listen to media types saying and proclaiming excessive force when they simply do not know and are looking for ratings….and this type of reporting also inflames. People believe the news…..this whole fiasco is disheartening and a great distraction one month before an election…….

    But you have to love the fact that Jesse Jackson, after delivering a rousing speech yesterday, asked for donations and was booed off the stage. Somehow, this did not get past the screening mechanisms of the MSM…and is not shown by CNN, MSNBC, and the like…

    No….the Ferguson incident is nothing more than another “chicken little”story…the sky is falling, the sky is falling……….and seeing all this chaos is doing nothing but making me laugh and buy more ammunition. .

    • The kid was ONLY shot six times, when he should have been shot at least 15. The shot placement looked like a “shoot to wound” ideology, or just bad shooting (he could have been nervous). If the person is still coming, I’m still shooting till the gun is empty, excessive force be damned. I agree with you on the media, F-ing clueless and part of the problem. I have basically turned off the news on TV, I peak at some alternative stuff and then move on to other things.

      I am surprised the Fergason issue has lasted so long, the kid was a thug and got what he asked for. He was a fat Trayvon Martin who played with fire and got burned. Sad but true! If the protestors want peace, maybe they should teach it in their homes. This is clearly not happening, shame on them all!

    • He was shot four times in the arm. Either the cop was a lousy shot or he was shooting to injure & force his surrender to arrest. As he continued to advance/attack, shots became more lethal. He attacked the cop in his car, punched him. Then asked, what you gonna do, shoot me? Guess he got his answer. Wonder if he’ll get a Darwin Award?

      • All the media harps on “Unarmed teenager”. This run away freight car coming down on you after he has already hit you would sure as hell make me fear for my life. As in the NYC case last month, the guy towered over the midget cops sent to arrest him. Look at the video.

        http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/20/justice/ny-chokehold-death/

        This guy though fat was only 6’1″ making the cops Munchkins. Lot to be said for a height requirement.

        Can’t wait till this occurs in an urban setting; NYC, Chicago, LA, Baltimore. Based on Police/Politician response, they will successfully loot and burn half the city before the pols get the message. Interesting how I am reliving my youth with the same type of dummies who prove Santayana’s warning about how those who do not learn from history repeating its mistakes.

  57. @ JAC…….you gotta love Barbara Boxer……….speaking of someone who loves to stir the pot…..going after Rick Perry and his statement that if he had to do it all over again, he will use his line item veto power to strip any agency of funding that is headed by a drunk. ” The people of Texas elected me 15 years ago. They would not have left me in charge if they did not and do not like what I am doing. I will not fund any “integrity commission” that is supervised and headed up by a drunk….and this lady was a drunk…..arrested for the third time and incarcerated, sticking her tongue out at officers, and kicking doors having to be restrained. And, there are those that want to say that I am abusing my power because I will not fund any department run by a person like that. Well, I will not and I will do it again,”

    Now, call Perry what you want, but I look at this as leadership. He warned her and the commission…..get rid of her if you want funding…..he will not spend tax payer money on an integrity commission, when the head of that commission has no integrity. Get rid of her and put someone responsible in charge and I will fund it…..so…they did not listen and he de-funded the commission. Some call that abuse of power….I call it leadership AND he has had great training from six years of the same thing happening in Washington…..EXCEPT….Perry was actually transparent……He publicly warned them, in the open and not behind closed doors as Washington does….and then he followed through with his warning. He has pissed off the only ‘Blue enclave” in Austin…..and this is the same DA that indicted several Repubs and never has had one stick yet.

    So, if they think that indicting Perry is going to give him a black eye….I think they are wrong. Perry has come out swinging, exercised his line item veto, defunded an “integrity commission” that was headed up by a third time DRUNK. He warned them, they did not listen, he followed through.

    • LOL…what do you expect from Michigan? Do it the Texas way…..don’t listen to the Federal Government nor the Federal Department of Education……when you do it that way, Obama will cut the funding to your school system….OH WAIT……seems to me that Gov Perry did the same thing….reform or no money…..interesting why there is no indictment in Washington….hmmm?

  58. A couple complaints are going around about this Integrity Unit. The first is that it is very biased in it’s actions and the second is why should the state finance a unit that the solely controlled by the voters of one county? I think it’s a reasonable question. Personally, I don’t think it should.

  59. Just A Citizen says:

    LOI

    Since you couldn’t get your Ferguson story posted, let me offer up this one as a GREAT summary of what we are witnessing. And of course why it is all BS that will not help address the OTHER underlying issues.

    http://www.redstate.com/2014/08/19/swept-away-tides-narrative/

    • JAC, good find & well written! Nails many points!

      A great Tide of Narrative has swept the original shooting incident out to sea, so that it no longer makes all that much difference to learn that Michael Brown robbed a store not long before he encountered Officer Wilson, or that Officer Wilson’s injuries from his physical altercation with Brown were significant (an “orbital blowout fracture to his eye socket,” according to sources in the police department and District Attorney’s office) or that a sizable number of witnesses have backed up the police account of Brown charging at Wilson. For many people, we’re past all that now.

  60. You just have to love the unbiased and knowledgeable reporting coming from CNN….

    Last night: dit dit dit dit………CNN reporter walking around the march site notices something laying on the ground….the camera zooms in and this knowledgeable, top flight, on the scene reporter says…..” oh my….look rubber bullets laying every where……”

    OOOPS…….it was four pair of discarded rubber ear plug inserts. SIGH……………………..

    • My bad…it was a HUFFPO reporter reporting on CNN feed……

      • The Washington Post’s Jerry Markon wants you to leave the “courageous” Ryan Reilly alone. Making fun of someone misidentifying ear plugs as rubber bullets is a “cheap shot” apparently.

        Or maybe you send someone in that knows the difference?

  61. @ Buck…..I was remiss, sir….how is the fam and the young un?

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