Lost Innocence?

Australia has just suffered a terrorist attack.  On Morning Joe they said they had “lost their innocence”.  They were making the same statement when Canada had that attack on Parliament.  At first I agreed or accepted their description, but now after consideration, I say no.  Was this either of their first mass attack?  Answer, no(1), no(2), many, many no’s…  It’s unlikely any country is innocent or a virgin to violence.  Instead a case might be made for Islamic terrorism.

What is the difference between an Islamic terrorist and the Oklahoma bomber?  To the majority of us, I suspect we do not care.  None of our values excuse using violence against innocents because you don’t like their religion, government or whatever their cause.  It is simply, criminally insane.  The one difference I can see is there are Islamic states or nations.  ISIS, Iran and others are willing to wage war.  Timothy McVeigh did not raise an army against the FBI or IRS and start conquering sections of the USA.  (and how many of us would join an anti-IRS army?)

Muslims insist women be treated differently, to say the least.  Most Muslim countries severely restrict women’s rights and allowable activities.  They are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia.  In Pakistan the Taliban does not want them to be allowed to attend school.(3)

I’m not offended or bothered by the “lost innocence” remarks.  I think we have all been there with an death or tragedy, struggling for something to say.  But for the hosts of a supposedly serious show on news and opinion, I don’t see much thought behind the remark.  If anything, I see an active attempt to frame the discussion away from the differences.  A terrorist attack claiming to represent a minor fringe movement is very different than one who attacks in the name of the second largest practiced religion in the world.  There are 2.2 billion Christians and 1.6 billion Muslims.  I was very pleased to see after the attack in Australia, a new universal condemnation issued by the Muslim groups in Australia.  As a Christian, I reject anyone who kills and claims it’s in Christ’s name.

(1)  http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/10/22/ottawa_shooting_the_mass_shooting_incidents_that_have_shaped_canada_s_gun.html

(2)  http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworld/report/040314_gun_laws/australia-scotland-and-finland-changed-gun-laws-after-mass-shootings/

(3)  http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/peshawar-school-attack-talibans-revenge-malala-yousafzais-nobel-peace-prize-1479754


  1. Australia, which not long ago ordered full gun control, is just another country in the long list to deal with Muslim radicals, who, as far as I’m concerned, have crossed the line into insanity. However, I would not treat them as mentally ill, but as murderers who know exactly what they are doing. They kill their own (Muslim’s) without blinking an eye, in the name of their religion. Pakistan just had a horrible attack by the Taliban.

    As far as Australia and what happened there, I doubt that the same could happen in a coffee shop where I live. This isn’t lost innocence, it’s “we opened the door to be slaughtered by radicals because Liberal politicians think that gun control works. It does, for those hell bent on murder. The MSM are ignorant when it comes to reporting anything today. Just as useless as our idiot Federal government.

    Rant over 🙂

  2. Richard Lamm was the former Governor of Colorado. In 2005, he gave a speech on the dangers of multiculturalism and the eight things than can be done to destroy America. (I was suspicious at first that the speech actually took place, but did some checking and determined that Gov. Lamm did give the speech.) Here is what he said.

    “If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let’s destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that ‘An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.’ Here is how they do it.

    “First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

    “The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: ‘The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.’ Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans, and Muslims.”

    “Second, to destroy America, invent ‘multiculturalism’ and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

    “Third, we could make the United States an ‘Hispanic Quebec’ without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly, ‘The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.[1] Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrcity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.’

    “I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.”

    “Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.”

    “My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and businesses to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of ‘Victimology.’ I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority placation.”

    Read more at http://godfatherpolitics.com/19209/former-governor-explains-destroy-america-eight-steps/#OR4LudExsfeRpWcO.99

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      I may be wrong but doesn’t the Tower of Babel story in the Old Testement come to mind here?

  3. Just A Citizen says:

    Well now we know the truth about the HOW.

    I knew this was going on just not the extent.


    • It looks as though he’s making a signed action (Executive Order) when in fact he is not. Keeps him from being held accountable. I’m guessing this is why impeachment is not on the table. To me, word games. I call them Lies, but technically they are not 🙂 One reason why I’m totally fed up with the Feds.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      It was a good article

  4. Sydney hostage taker dropped from terror watch list years ago
    By Rick Moran

    Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott announced that the Sydney hostage-taker, Man Haron Monis, was on the country’s terrorist watch list as recently as 2009, but he was dropped for reasons that remain unclear.

    Monis was placed on the list when he sent cruel letters to the families of dead Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan in 2009. But despite a violent history since then – including being charged in the murder of his ex-wife – Monis disappeared from the national security watch list.

    CTV News:

    Abbott said that Monis was on the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s watch list in 2008 and 2009, but was later dropped from it. The agency was watching Monis because he had sent a series of offensive letters to the families of dead Australian soldiers, Abbott said.

    “I don’t know why he dropped off the watch list in those days, I really don’t,” Abbott told reporters.

    Monis was convicted and sentenced last year to 300 hours of community service for sending what a judge called “grossly offensive” letters to families of soldiers killed in Afghanistan between 2007 and 2009. He later was charged with being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife. Earlier this year, he was charged with the 2002 sexual assault of a woman. He had been out on bail on all the charges.

    “We particularly need to know how someone with such a long record of violence and such a long record of mental instability was out on bail after his involvement in a particularly horrific crime,” Abbott said. “And we do need to know how he seemed to have fallen off our security agency’s watch list back in about 2009.”

    Abbott also said Monis, who wielded a shotgun throughout the siege, had a gun license. But the New South Wales police later said they checked with the state firearms registry and found no record of him ever holding a license.

    “Plainly there are questions to be asked when someone with such a history of infatuation with extremism, violent crime and mental instability should be in possession of a gun license,” Abbott said. “We have very tough gun laws and I guess we can be pleased that he didn’t have a more potent weapon at his disposal. But why did he have a gun license in the first place?”

    You have to think that if he had been kept on the watch list, it would have been a lot more difficult for him to get out of jail on bail, if at all. The SNAFU appears to be a bureaucratic oversight more than anything related to a lax outlook on Islamism. The Australians take extremism very seriously and have cracked down on Islamists in recent years – especially in the last few months, as concern has grown over Australian Islamists returning from the Middle East to commit acts of terror at home.

    Prime Minister Abbott has a lot of explaining to do.


  5. Just A Citizen says:

    Watch the left wingers run with this, despite the issues with the analysis.

    And the failure to address the REAL question. That being SO WHAT???

    NOTE: If your level of wealth “adjusted for inflation” is flat then your wealth has remained constant. That is better than declining when “adjusted for inflation”. It means you at least kept even with inflation, even AFTER the recessions that have occurred.

    Of course this assumes the measure of “inflation” is correct, that is it reflects reality.


  6. Just A Citizen says:

    Buck and others.

    A little interface on the terrorist topic and the legal liability discussion.

    Note that the “cowardice” of the movie chains to show this stupid movie by Sony, is based on their fear of LIABILITY.

    So we see the interaction of the norms established by the lawyers interacting with threats of intimidation and violence which then cause people to STOP their normal lives.

    A little Common Sense would say that the Theaters job is to show the movie. Your safety there, relative to their liability, extends to the building condition and food/drink served. Your safety relative to freaks and whackos is YOUR responsibility.

    • . Your safety there, relative to their liability, extends to the building condition and food/drink served. Your safety relative to freaks and whackos is YOUR responsibility.

      I agree with this totally. It is no more a theaters responsibility to protect one as it is the police or government. The theaters, in this case, are knee jerking, as is Sony.

      • G – correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t you the one that argued theaters should be held liable if they have a no-gun policy and someone comes in with a gun and starts shooting?

        • If not him, then me… If they prohibit me the means to defend myself but take not steps to insure my safety, then they are assuming responsibility for my safety. I think this would only apply to states that allow concealed carry, such as in the Aurora shooting.

          • But you have the prerogative not to visit said movie theater. No one is forcing you in to the situation. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

          • plainlyspoken says:

            Actually, under the Colorado laws for concealed carry – business can not prevent you from carrying concealed unless the place it is being carried is prohibited in the concealed carry law. Business may restrict the OPEN carry of firearms on their premises.

  7. Oy vey

    Woman’s will asks for her [still-living] dog to be buried with her
    By Brian Wood & Sarah Bigle-Darvish Published: Dec 16, 2014 at 12:19 PM PST Last Updated: Dec 16, 2014 at 4:32 PM PST

    Woman’s will asks for her [still-living] dog to be buried with her

    CINCINNATI, OH. A woman wanted to be buried with her dog. It is in her will. Now that she has passed away, the details of her will are trying to be carried out – including her wish to rest for eternity next to her canine friend.

    One problem: the dog isn’t dead…yet. So, what’s to become of her German Shepherd Bella?

    Does Bella have to be put down? The lawyer for the late woman says the only feasible option is to euthanize Bella and place her ashes with her owner’s. People caring for Bella say she is a sweet dog who deserves a new home, not death.

    Volunteers say several people have even offered to adopt the dog, but the lawyer for the deceased owner says he has to follow with what the will states.

    Bella is being boarded at Paws Center near Cincinnati.

    UPDATE: Bella was scheduled to be put down Tuesday morning, but that has since been delayed. A lawyer revealed later in the afternoon that the dog could be sent to a shelter in Utah, if enough money is raised.


    • Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

      • Agreed!

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          geez…in NY you can’t decoratively tattoo your pet….Stupid will and lawyers. If the animal is put down they should be arrested for intentional cruelty to animals. Wait for nature to take its course and put them together at that time. I can not imagine if a person loved her pet so much she intentionally stipulated to have that animal murdered to be with her. I hope the fleas and ticks survive and torment the recently deceased lady for eternity

          • I suspect the woman did love this dog-too much maybe- so much that she was probably really scared that no one would take care of her Bella after she was gone. I think it’s a concern for a lot of people who believe their final pets will outlive them. But lets stop the concern short of killing the animal-jeez. And why might I add should this dog be sent to some shelter instead of being given to one of these families that want the dog-hell that was probably one of the woman’s fears.

  8. Oh looky here-One dictator recognizing the birth of another of his kind and advising him-isn’t that sweet.


  9. Some additional information on the cigarette situation and New York-Wow, racketeering charges no less-why might I ask should the people in one state be responsible to enforce the laws of another state? If I owned a store that sold cigarettes I would be thrilled if someone came in and placed a huge order for a legal product-as long as I am not taking them across the state line into New York why should I be charged with anything-isn’t stopping illegal products form entering New York -New York’s responsibility?

    De Blasio quietly filed untaxed cig suit the week of Garner decision

    By Bruce Golding

    December 16, 2014 | 1:43am
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    Mayor Bill de Blasio ordered city lawyers to stay silent about a groundbreaking lawsuit to keep bootleg cigarettes out of the Big Apple — because it came as Hizzoner was downplaying the illegal cigarette sales that led to the ill-fated police arrest of Eric Garner, The Post has learned.

    The city Law Department drafted the civil racketeering suit the same week that a Staten Island grand jury did not indict NYPD cop Daniel Pantaleo in Garner’s chokehold death, and it was quietly filed in Brooklyn federal court on Dec. 9.

    The Law Department drafted a press release boasting that the suit “is the first of its kind brought by the city against an out-of-state entity for supplying cigarette traffickers,” sources said.

    But City Hall suppressed the news, ordering the Law Department not to put out the release, according to the sources.

    The move kept de Blasio from looking like a hypocrite for cracking down on illegal tobacco sales at the same time he was minimizing Garner’s criminal activity, which led to his deadly July 17 arrest.

    “Eric Garner was a decent man. Obviously, it was a minor offense he was committing — there’s no way it should have ended up in this situation,” de Blasio told HOT 97 radio on Dec. 4, a day after the grand jury ruling.

    One city official said, “City Hall knew they had screwed up, so they squashed the press release.

    “You can’t have the mayor blabbing away that selling loosies is a ‘minor offense,’ but then have the Law Department, which represents and protects the city and the mayor’s interests, file this suit,” the official said. “It reeks of duplicity.”

    The official, citing de Blasio’s “Tale of Two Cities” campaign rhetoric, added that “the mayor has a problem with two cities, and he created it.”

    “On one hand, to pander to his voting base, he spews some nonsense that selling loosies is a ‘minor offense,’” the official said.

    “But, on the other hand, he realizes this is a major issue with serious ramifications if left unchecked and he has the city’s Law Department file this first-of-its-kind federal lawsuit against the smoke shop.”

    According to a March report by Bloomberg News, an estimated 57 percent of the cigarettes smoked in New York are smuggled across state lines to avoid hefty state and city taxes that add $58.50 to the cost of a carton.

    The city’s suit targets Discount Tobacco & Things of Woodbridge, Va., and its president, Gaby Nouhra, who are accused of conspiring to violate the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.

    Court papers say the smoke shop, located in a suburban strip mall outside Richmond, is where alleged Staten Island bootlegger Michael Zekry bought more than 2,500 cartons of cigarettes that cops found in his van last month.

    “Zekry had for at least the prior two years purchased similar quantities of cigarettes from DT&T, and made those purchases far more frequently than every 10 weeks,” according to the suit.

    The suit seeks a court order barring DT&T from distributing cigarettes in New York, along with all illegal profits and unspecified damages, including three times the amount of tax money lost to the alleged trafficking scheme.

    Nouhra didn’t return a request for comment.


    • I really doubt that a legal seller out of State can be held to these charges, which are only in support of theft, aka, taxes.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        What this will come down to is all cigarette cartons will be scanned and registered and the purchaser recorded. Anyone can buy only two cartons per month or be charged with black marketeering….Overeas PX rules at least when I was active duty altogther to many years ago,

      • I don’t know how this will turn out but I suspect if it goes to trial New York will win, maybe not the case, but by putting the man out of business covering the cost of going to trial.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        What I find so amazing is how people in NYC and elsewhere are just rolling over to the likes of de Blasio. I quess all the years of Bloomberg numbed them. I hate to say it but I fear we are nearing a flash point.

  10. Catering to environment groups costs everyone. Thankfully, Pennsylvania is a very successful fracking state, with no known issues with health that I know of. In fact, they drilled and capped a well because it was too close to a occupied residence (resident lives there). The well was drilled for the future, when it’s possible that the residence will become a part time camp type residence, at which point the well can be used. There are several of them in my local area, drilled, but capped for future use.


  11. Warning! I recently switched to Hughesnet for my internet provider. I have now caught them basically stealing from me two months in a row now. They capitulated rather quickly today and reimbursed me for what I proved they stole. Their system is designed to do this, as it continues to occur as I write this. I take detailed notes and have them by the gonads.

    If you have Hughesnet, monitor your account and usage very closely! They are thieves and I have the proof.

    Question: who can I take this too so I can end their theft?

    • I think AT&T is doing the same thing to me. We use a hotspot for internet & had 10 gig’s per 28 days use. Started going over, $5 for each extra gig is reasonable & we never went over 11. We upped or usage to 15 & have been near max each of the two months since upping. Also have three phones on it, but we did not make any behavior changes.

  12. Just A Citizen says:

    Now that PUTUS’s popularity has crashed lets see if anyone in the MSM has the guts to call these weasels out on their latest effort of “I am a BLACK VICTIM also” crappolla.

    This one is great. Thank you Michelle Malkin for doing research. Oh, per Mr. Obama MOST black men have had someone throw them the keys to part the car. So I am a racist bigot who is “profiling” a black man and I am going to trust him with the keys to my Ferrari??


    • Cool. I can go back to MM again. I like to read the comments. Never liked her comment setup before. Much easier to follow now. Now…Hot Air could you follow?

  13. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Just started drawing Social Security and my pensions today……god I feel old…..but phase one of life is done…now it’s time to get serious and do something meaningful

    • Congratulations! First item on the agenda..PARTAY! Second item..ROADTRIP! That’s how it’s going to go down for me. 15 yrs and counting down. First goal for me is to be an empty nester. Only 23 months left there. 😉

      • Who are you trying to fool, your mostly retired now 🙂

        • Trying to fool myself….have to get back at it soon….to save for those roadtrips!

          • Just A Citizen says:


            It will take about $400 in gas to get here, assuming you drive a normal vehicle.

            If you take the right road trip you won’t have to take that many more….. 🙂

            • Roadtrip vehicle is an Expedition…11/12 mpg! Care to recalculate that gas bill please? 🙂

              Grocery getter is a Saturn…23 mpg

  14. Sometimes I wonder? Blame this on PTSD???? Yet the guy was a meteorologist in the Marine Corps and spent two months in Iraq.

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    Congratulations Mr. Obama on your great speech today. You laid out a great case for why economic and other sanctions do not work.

    Now if you would just tell the other Mr. Obama living in your head. He might want to know you just undermined his primary foreign policy tool that he is employing on at least three major countries. All of which have much greater strategic importance to us than Cuba.

    • It don’t sound like Cuban-Americans are too happy with this decision either. For those who will vote in the next prez election, a block of voters have just joined the ranks of the Republicans, if they weren’t there already. This will be an interesting issue during what has become a horrible time of life, Presidential campaign season. Pinnochio would be vindicated a thousand times over if he were real 🙂

  16. Listening to some of these race pimps on the news is quite telling. They make all these claims about how bad black people have it and then claim that it’s because of racism. They may not be far from being correct, except who they are pointing the finger towards is totally incorrect. White people are not the cause of black suffering, at least not the majority of white people.

    The answers are quite simple and right in front of everyone, but nobody has the gonads to say it (I have and will again). All one has to do as look at where a majority of blacks live and who provides their education. A LARGE majority of blacks are herded into cities that are and have been controlled by Democrats for decades. The liberal education system, designed but the Left and taught by unionized left wing teachers who are more concerned with their benefits than how well they’re teaching.

    This is what I’d like to see anyone in the media bring forward to get black people to THINK about why they are where they are and what the root cause of their collective problems are. I’m not trying to disparage Buck or Matt, or any other Liberal, but maybe it’s time to start looking at the facts and stop claiming what is fiction.

  17. http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/12/democrat-senator-must-legislate-people-say-engage-sex/

    A few Liberal’s make up rape stories and now the Democrats want to make a new law. Gee, what a surprise 🙄 Can you say “false flag” ? Or is this just another made up issue by feminist’s?

    • You know what I noticed in this article-they could just add it too the discrimination list-Oy vey! I read another article that said we republicans should work to have “by political affiliation” added to the discrimination list, at colleges-Now that might be a Good idea.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Mushy brains………

      Existing legal standard is “no means no OR if incapacitate” which includes FORCE under all State and Federal law.

      So this doesn’t work? “Supporters, however, argue that the law is needed in order to aid and empower victims who currently struggle to obtain justice if they are raped in the context of a dating relationship or after consuming alcohol. ”

      Since when is drinking yourself into a stupor or getting drugged NOT considered incapacitated or use of “force” under the law??

      Exactly how is requiring the changing of words from No to Yes going to change the guilt response and then he said/she said that is the basis for many “relationship” accusations??

      All a bunch of HOOOOOOOOOEY. The ONLY thing that could change all this is if the couple RECORDS their romp in the hay so that either has the EVIDENCE if needed later.

      Maybe that is the goal. More internet porn from hackers getting hold of private videos.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Will you need a notarized statement witnessed by two people before engaging in sex and filed with the court? If not it will just degenerate to he said she said accusations.

  18. Just A Citizen says:

    John Kerry has drawn a moral equivalency between the embargo on Cuba and the Berlin Wall.

    This administration really needs some “wiser” speech writers. Maybe some people who have been on this planet long enough to actually remember things like the cold war and the Berlin Wall.

    • Growing very tired of everything being either compared or tied together. Moral equivalencies are everywhere…can’t debate anything because,,compare! Throwing extra sections onto bills…which makes a good bill suddenly bad. Can’t anything stand alone anymore?

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        hear hear…but the answer is no. Everything especially law has to have precedence. Politicians and the courts are not free thinkers anymore. That is one reason congressional politicians make terrible chief executives. Obama did it correctly, I don’t think he voted on much of anything during his tenure in the Senate, creating no record that could be attacked……right or wrong, if you stick your head up above the crowd it usually will be hammered back down.

  19. We all know that Hollywood is infested with Left Wingers, now we know they are all talk and no balls, F-ing Pu$$y’s : http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/paramount-cancels-showings-team-america-world-police

  20. Just A Citizen says:

    This is why the Progressives continue to win. When you play this game and the population doesn’t care about the core principles of freedom, liberty and justice, but only what they can get or what “feels” or seems “fair”. Then all you need to do is get it in place for a year or two. That was the plan with Obama Care. Get something that hooks 15 million. The only thing that can undo Obama Care is Single Payer. Everything else will cause pain to those 15 million. OH, and the new 12 million illegal aliens who will be allowed to stay here FOREVER.

    Clipped from within a broader story on Obama “finishing strong”.

    “”Though his powers are significant, they’re not without limit, so some of the actions he’s taken could be reversed by future presidents,” Axelrod said. “But is some future president really going to want to reach back and break relations with Cuba? Or put millions of undocumented workers who have lived and worked here for years back on the list for deportation?””

  21. All this time I thought college’s were there to INCREASE intelligence : http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-students-sign-petition-to-deport-american-citizens-in-order-to-make-room-for-illegals.html

    “This is a petition for President Obama to deport one American citizen in exchange for one undocumented immigrant,” the Campus Reform reporter informs students before asking if they would pledge their support for the notion.

    “Everyone must be allowed a shot at the ‘American Dream,’” the petition read. “Americans should not be greedy. Let us right the wrongs of our past and make another’s dreams come true.”

    Apparently just those few catchy tag lines were all the encouragement some students needed.

    “Alright, let’s go for it,” one male student says, before proceeding to sign.

    “No, it makes sense,” a female student agrees.

    “I think that’s definitely a good idea,” says another student.
    one student, for instance, followed up his signature by asking, “Who is going to be selected to be deported?”

  22. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-17/russian-food-suppliers-have-begun-halting-shipments

    JAC, D13, Good Morning and Best Wishes to both of you and your families 🙂

    Are the sanctions that the US placed on Russia an act of war? If Putin believes that the price of oil is direct manipulation (whether it is or not is of no matter) by the US and OPEC, could that also be an act of war against Russia? If both are combined, what might Russia do?

    I know your answers will be just speculation as none of us no what Putin is thinking, but when you put a man’s back to the wall, as is being done now, bad things could happen.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      NO, they are not an act of war. They are aggression and coercion. But I think we need to restrict the accusation of “Act of War” to things that deserve and immediate and overwhelming WAR response. Sinking our ships or attacking our people en masse, like embassies or our bases is an Act of War.

      Now you answer the more fundamental question.

      Should other nations respond AGAINST another nation’s direct interference within or outright invasion of another country?

      Should other Nations ever interfere in the “internal” revolts or actions of genocide within a nation?

      What are the conditions/criteria for deciding when such “retaliation” or “action” is justified?

      Who should be the one or many that get to decide?

      These answers are critical to addressing your own question. Because if most believe some action against aggressors is justified, it is not an “Act of War” to take actions, like economic sanctions, against the aggressor.

      • I consider economic sanctions as an act of war, you can call it whatever you choose. I’m asking the questions here, I was first, so how about just providing some simple answers to some simple questions. I have not suggested anything, just asking for opinions.

    • Economic sanctions, enforced directly against the trade of another nation is an act of war – such as blockading a port.

      Sanctions where a nation actively places consequences upon corporate entities within its jurisdiction is not an act of war – say, seizing the assets of a US company doing business with Russia. That is an an act of sovereign will.

  23. Why do Liberal’s LIE so much? Is it in their nature to be dishonest? http://www.infowars.com/michelle-os-racist-target-shopper-was-really-an-obama-voting-liberal-glenn-beck-caller-says/

    When people MAKE UP racism, are they not the true racist’s?

  24. Guess Holder has the power to rewrite law too.

    Holder Decrees Crossdressing Protected Under Federal Law
    December 19th, 2014 – 6:11 am
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    Attorney General Eric Holder has issued an edict, through a memorandum, that cross dressing and transsexualism is now protected under federal civil rights laws which were designed to protect women from sex discrimination. Existing federal law provides no statutory support for treating cross-dressers and transsexuals as the law treats female victims of discrimination.

    This means that the Justice Department could now, for example, consider the decision by a school or church to not hire a transvestite as a violation of federal law.

    Holder ordered that the Department of Justice will stop making arguments in litigation suggesting that transgender people are not covered by Title VII, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination in employment.

    Holder’s memo says that “sex” under Title VII doesn’t only now pertain to sex discrimination. To Holder and his army of DOJ lawyers, federal law now prohibits discrimination based on transgender status, including discrimination “because an employee’s gender identification is of a particular sex, or because the employee is transitioning, or has transitioned to another sex.” The memo says that “the Department will no longer assert that Title VII’s prohibition against discrimination based on sex does not encompass gender identity per se (including transgender discrimination).”

    DOJ lawyers have enormous power to bring civil rights cases against entities ranging from local government to school districts. The DOJ must also defend the federal government against discrimination claims brought by federal employees. In lawsuits involving federal employees, DOJ has in the past advanced the sound legal axiom that Title VII does not provide protection for transgender workers.


    Holder bases his edict on a federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruling that transvestites and transsexuals are protected by federal law from discrimination against their cross-dressing gender-switching behavior. A ruling from the EEOC has no jurisprudential effect and no binding authority on the Department of Justice. Had the case been decided by the Supreme Court or other federal court of appeals, Holder’s decision would have had more merit.

    The EEOC is not entitled to deference, and certainly no deference on a ruling so far outside the law. The Holder Justice Department has bullied school districts who prohibited boys in high school from dressing in drag as part of a school dress code. In New York, one male student came to school dressed in a mini skirt, stilettos and a pink wig. As I described in Injustice, Holder’s DOJ took action:

    The school district was forced to pay the transvestite-child $50,000, pay for counseling services with a psychiatrist specializing in “gay, bisexual and transgender youth issues,” hire an expert to review the school’s “gender expression” programs, and hire a second expert to conduct annual training on “gender identity and gender expression” discrimination. In short, the DOJ rolled the school district. Obviously, the school district’s lawyer, unlearned in the lawless proclivities of the Civil Rights Division, recommended this complete capitulation and settlement terms far beyond what the law required. The final consent decree appears to contain only one provision requested by the school district: an agreement not to mention any employee’s name. Then again, perhaps that’s the best that can be hoped for when the plaintiff is largely inventing the legal rules.

    Over 200 Democrat legislators think it requires an act of Congress to change discrimination law so radically, and they are right. That’s why H.R. 1755 was introduced in Congress with scores of co-sponsors. That’s how our legal system works. The fact that this bill was introduced, and has not passed, highlights the lawlessness of Holder’s edict. When someone wants to expand protected classes under civil rights laws, Congress passes a new law. That’s how it works in America. But in the age of Obama, lawlessness is the quicker, more expedient way to impose the views of the outvoted minority onto the rest of the country.


    • Useless words from a useless man.

      • If only that were true, but the man is the Attorney General of the United States of America, his words are not useless they have a lot of power behind them.

        • He holds zero authority, he’s a criminal and a racist liar. His power is limited by one’s actions, don’t break the law, he has ZERO power. He can’t just make laws up on his own either. What’s up with these Democrat race pimps who think they are above the law? Holder can kiss my nice clean white ass. That’s about as nice as I can say to the man, I have no respect for him or his asshole boss. 😀

          • Just A Citizen says:


            You are delusional if you think the AG has zero authority.

            This latest ploy on transgender is the same one the Algorians used on the environment. And we are still living with that legacy. So don’t tell me he has no authority. He sets the precedent for what the Govt lawyers will and will not prosecute or “defend against”.

            • Nothing he say’s or does has any effect on me at all, none, zero. His job is to protect the Government and act as the head cop. Since I don’t violate any laws, he is NOTHING to me and holds zero authority. He does, however, pose authority over those who break certain, not all, Federal laws. Don’t break any laws, he is nobody. His Precedent must also be actual law, just by him saying “x” is illegal does not make it so.

              Your love of the State is showing up today my friend 😀

              On your comments to D13 on the hacking issue. Remember a little thing called CISPA? That internet control Act . The one that was battered by those who opposed it until it fell apart and never became a law? This hack job was against a business. It will have no real affect on the people, other than to scare them into being more allowing of government intrusion to “protect them”. So far, it’s claimed that China and N. Korea are behind all this. BY whom? Oh yea, the US government. Remember STUXTNET (the virus that affect Iran’s nuclear program)? We can and do engage in hacking throughout the world, so it would not be too far fetched to view this as a false flag to get these Internet laws passed (that the Democrats want so bad). Watch who is jumping on this issue and calling for government action. All is not what the propagandist’s are saying, if one opens one’s eyes. 😉

              • http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/19/us-weighs-response-to-attack-on-sony-fbi-prepares-to-implicate-north-korea/

                The blame has now been laid out. Now all the fear mongering can officially begin!

              • A little more on this, Hollywood and the music and movie business spent millions trying to get CISPA and SOFA (I think that’s the other one) to protect their copyrights. These Act’s were huge in their day, it only makes sense that the hack job would be on a movie company who desperately wants these laws to become law. Follow the money!

              • Just A Citizen says:


                You don’t need to construct complicated Global MONEY conspiracies to understand the USA’s announcements.

                What has been one of Mr. Obama’s primary agenda items since first elected??

                Hint: INFRASTRUCTURE.

                Now what will happen to support for infrastructure if the public believes that someone is trying to turn off our electricity or shut down the internet???

                Our Govt. computer systems are constantly being attacked from the outside, including China and Korea. There have been a couple attempts made on the power grid, in places. Don’t know if they ever revealed who did this.

                So what is the proper response? I don’t think it is to pretend this is all just a “false flag”. The crap is real. What should our response be??

              • What has been one of Mr. Obama’s primary agenda items since first elected??

                Hint: INFRASTRUCTURE.

                That’s laughable at best. He’s more interested in electric cars and DESTROYING infrastructure, such as coal fired power plants.

                Is hacking a problem, maybe. As far as the power grid goes, get if off the internet and make it all direct hard lines. It was once operating that way and doing so just fine. There is no reason why the electrical grid and the internet needs to be connected, except for ease of use and saving money.

                All computers should be protected from within (as you and I probably spend good money on). Being on the net has some danger involved. Kiss privacy goodbye, as we all know the government probably knows when you brush your teeth and scratch your ass. Business’s main infrastructure can be kept offline, allowing only what is truly necessary to be online.

                There is an inherent danger that if you shop and buy online, there is a chance your info can get stolen. There is the same danger when using a bank card or credit card at any store that your info can get stolen.

                Thieves are gonna steal and good people will get ripped off. Technology will get better, but will always be in danger by thieves and wrongdoers. That’s life, we need to deal with it the best we can.

              • You don’t need to construct complicated Global MONEY conspiracies to understand the USA’s announcements.

                It’s not complicated at all if one simply uses common sense and remembers the past. Everyone, like you, will overthink it until they get these laws passed (which is wanted by the United Nations as well). The elite ruling class want control of the internet because they are and will continue losing the infowar. Billary even claimed as much.

                Now, what I’m hearing is that experts may think it was an inside job. Claiming that only someone with certain knowledge within the company could provide needed info for the hack to be successful. Waiting on some links to hit the alternative media on that one.

  25. Seems the Sony hackers were in China, which means the Chinese government knew about it. Now, nothing will come of it, Obama has no balls.

  26. Just A Citizen says:

    Another sneak peek into the thinking of the Progressive/Socialist/Statist mind. Snipped from the Blaze who got it from the Denver Post.

    “A spokeswoman for Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper tried to clarify Friday what the governor meant after he created a stir by seeming to imply that only the government can educate children.

    “Government should do what people individually can’t do, or can’t do well themselves,” Hickenlooper said earlier this week. “You know, educating our young people, making sure our roads are designed and built properly, making sure our communities are safe.”

    Hickenlooper spokeswoman Kathy Green did not retract or apologize for the statement as some home-school advocates had demanded, but said the comment was taken out of context.

    “The governor was talking about priorities in the state budget,” Green told TheBlaze. “In this short clip specifically he was referring to families who choose to send their children to public schools and in that context pointing to the need for supporting public education. Taken out of context this is an unfair characterization of his remarks.””

    Note how the debate over public vs. home school HIDES the underlying principle put forth. Govt’s job is to do what individuals cannot do or do well. Well I cannot build a computer or a tractor or a car. So should Govt. do those things?? See where this Statist principle leads?

    Note the attempt to back track and how the BS explanation will be accepted. Just scream “it was taken out of context”. Why does this work? Think about the years since Clinton and how the left wing politicians have taken up this argument. Think about how the media never goes beyond this claim, well not often. It becomes part of the social/cultural fabric. Accepted at face value. Because, after all, it is a right wing claim against a left wing politician. Therefore the right wing claim must be false, because we know they are bigoted, small minded, red necks who hate women, and cling to their bibles and guns.

    TRUTH is that he was clearly stating that it is Govt’s job to educate our children. That is what he believes. It is what all Statists believe. They cannot imagine education without Government involvement.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought of the morning.

    Many of the solutions to our problems require DECENTRALIZING power/authority/policies/procedures/processes, etc. etc.

    This solution is in direct contradiction to the basic mindset of those who want to use Centralized power to solve these problems.

    So even when they recognize the need to decentralize, they are fighting their own internal wiring when trying to implement the idea.

    The result is that local control is still controlled at the Federal Level. Thus it never solves the problem. Which of course leads the Statist to conclude that decentralization did not work. And the circle goes round and round and round.

    • Decentralizing solutions to broad problems is the best route for success.
      There is an infinite number of right answers to any problem; the trick is out of this massive number is to find the best solution.

      Since the problem by definition has not been solved, the “right answer” is unknown AND untested. Thus, applying an array of answers to the problem and reviewing the outcomes will eventually highlight the answer that performs the best.

      Decentralization accomplishes this by each entity applying what they think is right to the problem and witnessing the outcomes.

      The more applications of different answers, the more likely the best will be produced.

      Centralist believe they always have the one, best, answer for everyone – pretending that everyone has exactly the same level of a problem. Almost always, the Centralists are wrong.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        They are also great at defining or identifying problems which cannot be “solved”. In reality they can only be manipulated.

        For example, health care is too expensive AND it is not available to everyone.

        • All solutions to a problem create a new problem to solve. There is no end to this loop, since all actions have consequences. There is no end, merely the journey – the human condition.

          Thus, there cannot be a solution to “solve” the problem completely.
          Walking was tiring, so we used horses. Horses eat and shit, so we use cars. Cars produce exhaust, so we use electric. Electric cars need electricity, so we burn coal… and so on. Never ending.

          Progress is measured by the improvement of the problem. Is the new problem a better problem then the one we just solved? If it is, we have progress. If it isn’t, we degrade.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        In other words they are not Problems in the TRUE sense. Only goals restated as issues that demand ACTION……….of some kind………..for some unspecified time frame……….to be adjusted and revised later.

        Kind of like that Set of Rules the Women keep for us men.

        • A woman’s job is to create problems, the men’s job is to solve them. Yin and Yang.

          • And, yes, that means all human problems are created by the Yin – women.
            It is women who want a better home; men are happy to live in a small cave, with a beer fridge and a computer. Women…. not so much.

            It is the woman who wants a bigger home, with a yard for the kids, etc. The man; he can live in a shack in the middle of nowhere and never worry.

            The woman wants good healthy food; the man – beans and pork and beer, breakfast (skip lunch) and dinner.

            A man’s vacation is pub night with the guys. A women’s vacation is a trip to Europe with the kids.
            …etc. etc.

            • 🙂 BS-Men want all that stuff-they just don’t want to plan it, pay for it, or clean it.

              • Excuse me-Or cook it, or go to the store to buy it.

              • No, men do not want such stuff, or they would get it on their own. They generally do not.

                Do they like that stuff? Sure. But they would not be the initiator to obtain it.

                Generally, you can see this in the example of a “bachelor pad vs. family home”.

                No matter the financial success, few men buy a large home for themselves, nor fill it with knickknacks and bobbles, pictures and highlights. The few that do, do so to attract a woman – it is incredibly rare for a guy to so this “for himself”. He simply doesn’t care.

              • I use myself as an example.

                I made tons of money, volume of it.
                I lived in a one room bach-pad; it had a nice view, true, but its decor was:

                1 chair, large desk, 1 bed, 0 pictures, 8 computers, a fridge mostly stocked with quick-junk-food meals – and a motley mess of technology scattered hither in the lay woman’s eyes – randomly (but I knew exactly where everything was).

                It took my wife -oh- about 3 days to absolutely destroy my place and turn into her first nest.

                Today, we have a nice home. The part allocated to me is about 6ft by 6ft. The rest of the home is hers. I don’t complain; its about the same size (sans kitchen and bedroom) of my first place.

              • VH, I provide all the food in my home. Today was shopping day. I bought a head of lettuce, the only veggy, and 2 beef steaks, top sirloin. No other veggies or meat because I grow and raise my own (or hunt and harvest). I made my own cold weather clothing, as I posted. I have everything I need. Women would always want more. A bigger TV, more room in the carport, bigger riding lawnmower, bigger garden etc. When all the bigger stops, it’s time to find a bigger home to have bigger things. When a women get’s tired of a man, they go after BIGGER to please their needs, the man is stuck with the debt because of a court system that has been totally corrupted. The man then is forced to pay the woman money to live like she lived when with the SMALL man, even though the BIGGER man is getting the benefit of the woman.

                Yea, Flaggie got this shit dead on right!

              • Yes, this also means that all human progress of prosperity is caused by the problems women create.

                Men do the work in solving them – but there would have been no reason for a man to do this work unless a woman made it a problem.

                Men MADE the prosperity, but it is the women who DEMANDED it.

              • “Do they like that stuff? Sure. But they would not be the initiator to obtain it.” I believe that is exactly what I just said 🙂 But your description of your place before you were married fit’s my son’s home to a T-except that he does actually own a home-he just doesn’t actually live in any part of it-except his bedroom with his bed and computers and stuff. The rest of the house clean as a pin-not that he cleans much-he just doesn’t use any of it except the refrigerator.

              • Ah G-don’t turn harmless fun and generalizing into an attack on woman. OR hell maybe you should accept your hanging out with the wrong type of women.

              • Just having fun too! Look at post below, I’ll use an example of what I said 🙂

              • I am not your average female! I’m sitting here taking inventory. I have 8 rooms in my home. I look into my living room and see a love seat, couch 32in flat screen, cabinet that it sits on, windows with mini blinds, no curtains, no knick knacks, 1 string of Xmas lights up so far. Kitchen..table, 2 benches, basic cooking supplies, fridge/freezer full, 2 1 1/2″ cast iron pans for decoration on my stove. Bathroom, basic..my bedroom queen bed 2 chests of drawers, 12 in old tv, pics of family on chests…rest of the place is full of teen boy stuff…entire lower level = 2400 sq ft..lotsa toys there…chain saws, trailers, tow ropes, log splitter, generator, other power tools, 2 lawn tractors, many, many manual tools, 2 vehicles, all the good stuff for my male friends to come help me with my projects. Point being…I could live in a couple hundred sq ft as long as I have good heated barn/ garage and lots of land….TIC. TOCK!

                Nice to see you BF

          • ROFLMAO! 😀 😀 😀

  28. Just A Citizen says:

    Irony for the morning.

    The Hollywood crowd is crying in their soymilk over the coercion that resulted in “self censorship” by Sony.

    They have decried that it is an affront to free speech for Sony to “self censor” in response to this coercive attack.

    Get it????

    Organized BOYCOTS sponsored by Hollywood types is COERCION, the purpose of which is to FORCE the target to SELF CENSOR. Chick fil-A anyone??

    • It is something isn’t it-they stand for privacy, are irate that the government are spying on them-yet when others are spied upon they start screaming so and so should be fired based on the information gathered because of the spying. So I say as soon as all these self righteous jerks are willing to release all their private emails so people like them can pass judgements on their PRIVATE comments-maybe we’ll talk about firing people. Though I really don’t need to see their emails-they say racist nasty stuff out in the open-the only difference is that the racist comments are against white people, jews, and anyone who has different political views -no matter whether they are a part of the selected victimized minority or not.

    • I like this article-think it’s pretty accurate-don’t know whether it will destroy the democrat party or not-but it’s the real point of the article I’m interested in.


  29. Just A Citizen says:

    Ah yes, the new class warfare coming to a nation near you………..soon.

    Note: Increased “nationalism” is identified by the Economist as a worrisome trend expected in 2015. This is expected due to two factors. One is immigration impacts as outlined in this article. The other is immigration impacts in Europe relative to the continued negative affects of ever increasing Muslim populations.

    Now how long before the “free market” Republican party starts HOWLING Platitudes about JOBS being taken by illegal immigrants?

    “All of the net gains in in jobs since 2007 have gone to immigrants — both legal and illegal — according to a new report from the Center for Immigration Studies, meaning that fewer native-born Americans are working today than were at the end of 2007.

    From November 2007 through November 2014, the number of employed native-born Americans has decreased more than 1.45 million, while the number of employed immigrants has risen by more than 2 million (as the immigrant population grew rapidly, too), according to data compiled by the Department of Labor’s Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    “Native employment has still not returned to pre-recession levels, while immigrant employment already exceeds pre-recession levels,” the report says. “Furthermore, even with recent job growth, the number of natives not in the labor force (neither working nor looking for work) continues to increase.”

    Native-born Americans accounted for nearly 70 percent of the growth in the population aged 16 and older, the report notes, and yet fewer of them are working now than were in 2007.”

    • They already are-now my question to you -Why do you consider them platitudes?

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Because I think that the vast majority of them do not believe in the rhetoric they play for you.

        Notice the R’s now complaining about immigrants taking jobs. While they support FREE MARKETs, and others even support open borders and cheap labor.

        Thus my accusation of platitudes. The use of “American” vs. “illegal” labor is nothing but rhetoric of convenience in hopes of getting more people to vote Republican.

        Ironically, the rhetoric of the two parties has been reversed on this one issue in less than 30 years.

  30. Just A Citizen says:

    Old thought, but worth remembering today.

    Why is it that MONOPOLIES are viewed as the Scourge of the earth by those on the left, yet they view the Govt Monopoly as Benevolent??

    • do you really want me to answer that question?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        If you can provided something more meaningful than “they are stupid and/or mentally ill”!!

        • I think it’s what their education has burnt into their minds. They have a Left Wing leaning education that makes government out to be a good and necessary entity. I think most Left Wingers are followers, not leaders. They have little understanding of what REAL personal responsibility is. They are mostly brainwashed 🙂

          I don’t think ALL of them are such. Some have no f-ing idea why they think the way they do. Some think that government control is for the Greater Good. There are some who are stupid and some who are just mentally ill. Some are simply Sociopath’s. Some are really nice people who just want what they believe are what’s best for all of society, without thinking that we are all different and that one thing (healthcare) for all doesn’t work equally for the individuals. The look at the people as a whole, rather than individuals with different needs and desires. Then there is Buck who I have no idea why he is a lefty and maybe he could be a really nice person and educate us on why he is who he is politically! 🙂

          How’s that?

    • Hmmm, I have no idea why people support the government to the point of pure socialism-Charlie tried to explain but I still don’t get it. I do however understand why people support some socialist policies. I support some socialist policies. What I don’t understand is why people do not see that we are wayyyyyyy past -just some socialist policies and getting into governmental control of everything.

      • V.H.
        Your confusion is that you believe you can allow the devil half-way into your house, the part that you think is “nice” while leaving the evil part of the devil outside.

        If you agree that men can seize the wealth of other men by writ, you have agreed that others can seize YOUR wealth by writ. It is this ignorance of the lay that pretend the deal is only one way.

        • Hi BF, Hope you are enjoying this Christmas season!

          Two problem with your assessment-I am not confused nor pretending that it is a one way deal. And just for clarification I do not define the government as the devil-I do however think something meant for good can be twisted into evil.

          • Government is absolute evil – the greatest evil in existence against mankind.

            As it requires violence on the non-violent to enforce its edicts, it can never, ever, be a force of good for mankind.

            All government rises from human predators, who prey upon their fellows. The State exists under polylogism – a different set of logic applies to itself vs what it applies to others – hence, self-contradictory.

      • Charlie, whether he know it or not, explains why people continue to lock themselves in their own chains of socialism by the use of Public Choice Doctrine – that is, they chose to enrich themselves by the effort of other men, betting that the effort that extracted from themselves will be less then what they gain.

        Since the start of any social program steals but a $1 from a very large group – this group seeing “it is but only a $1” do not resist, given resistance cost is substantially greater (jail, etc.)

        The winners is a very small group, and they get a lot ($20,000 in annual welfare payments, as an example). They are very happy and champion it loudly or more loudly scream bloody murder at its withdrawal.

        An acquiescent larger group vs a highly vocal small group; who do the politicians hear?

        So the exercise is repeated.

        Initially the impositions are slight, but over time it rises and rises while the demands of the receiving population increases.

        At some point the impositions become overbearing, and the large group vocalizes. The smaller group sees their life style threatened and becomes violent in opposition.

        Class warfare breaks out, and the system crumbles. All Socialism is doomed to collapse.

    • Because the ignorant lay person is economically illiterate. As such, they are prey to nonsense

  31. A cool accomplishment! I recently borrowed my mom’s old Dressmaker sewing machine with the goal of making a set of fleece long johns for hunting in the cold weather. Anyone that spends lots of time in the cold knows that fleece is great for staying warm. Bought a pattern for hospital scrubs and 3 yards of winter camo fleece and went to work. Mission accomplished as now I have a set of fleece long johns, top and bottom! Plus I bought the material and pattern at 40% 0ff! Can also serve as PJ’s in the winter!

    • You have a new skill and another type of trade. How many of your neighbor hunters do you think would want a pair of fleece long johns? 🙂

      • Actually old skill I brought back to life 🙂 I did all my own work on my military uniforms, patches, stripes and adjustments. Took me awhile to get those skills going again, but the shirt only took about an hour from start to finish. I did let my neighbor (a farmer) see the finished product. We’ll see if he desires any 🙂

  32. A great example of how screwed up Congress has always been and another example of how women cause all the problems in the world 😀

    (According to the background material in the 6th Circuit Court decision, his ex-wife allegedly cleaned out his bank accounts and ran off with another man, leaving Tyler so despondent that he wept incessantly, couldn’t sleep, and had suicidal thoughts. He was committed for treatment after his fearful daughters called the police. He never did anything more violent than pound on his own head in despair.)


  33. I’m going to haunt this site just for fun: http://samuel-warde.com/2014/12/10-right-wing-companies-to-boycott/

    JAC, don’t go here, you will be calling them mentally ill too!

  34. Just A Citizen says:

    Well, time to head out for Christmas trip. Going to visit kids and other family.

    After all these years of driving to see our folks we are wondering why we now have to travel to see the kids as well. Thankful that it looks like only rain for the next week.

    I hope ya’ll have fun. Please try to maintain the new civil and somewhat fun mood if you can. It will make the holidays much better for everyone.

    Which brings me to a very, very heartfelt Merry Christmas to everyone who stops here and an extra shout out, or HUG, for all those who keep SUFA alive.

    Should be back right after Christmas. So until then keep warm and LIVE FREE.


  35. So Dr. Oz, famous doctor on TV, has been shown that half the stuff he says is false.
    Yet a lot of people believe Dr. Oz no matter what he says.

    People treat politicians the same way. Believe what they say whether or not they are idiots.

    People believe what celebrities say – the “messiah syndrome”.

    The irony, though people will follow the minor quackery of Dr. Oz, before they follow the major quackery of Dr. Oz, they will get a second opinion or three.

    Yet, they will not do this with politicians.

    Public Choice Doctrine explains why.
    The cost of a mistake with the doctoring is wholly borne on the subject himself. So he is cautious.

    The cost of a mistake with the politician is borne on other parties. The subject who advocates for a policy does so for his benefit, while the cost is applied to others. If it is wrong, the cost is not his – he missed the gain. IF it works out even a minor percentage, he wins anyway.

    What people fail to realize – like V.H. – is that they are both sides the victim and the winner. She merely observes where she wins, and vehemently complains when she is the victim, but fails to see she is always both no matter what political policy is enacted.

    But as political decisions are the worst form of decision making possible, the outcomes are always far more expensive in wealth and lives then the gain the deliver. It is an endarkenment – things just get worse and worse.

    But, lo, she will be still calling for those goodies regardless.

    • http://www.naturalnews.com/048063_flu_vaccines_junk_science_zealotry.html

      All those same people and institutions are simultaneously attacking Dr. Oz, primarily because Oz refuses to promote pharmaceuticals as the answer to everybody’s health problems. Dr. Oz teaches people how to eat healthy, make informed choices and prevent degenerative disease. In response to that, the Washington Post shamelessly posts a hit-piece story on Dr. Oz entitled, “Half of Dr. Oz’s medical advice is baseless or wrong, study says.” [1]

      The study, predictably, was published in the widely discredited pro-pharmaceutical British Medical Journal, the same journal that gets the majority of its funding from drug companies and vaccine manufacturers who have a vested interest in silencing anyone who teaches people how to prevent disease. The BMJ has a long history of vicious, intellectually dishonest smear attacks on any scientist who questions the safety of vaccines, and in 2011 it was revealed that the BMJ had secret financial ties to Merck while it was publishing hit pieces attacking Dr. Wakefield. Dr. Wakefield later demanded a retraction from the BMJ after documents emerged that proved Dr. Wakefield’s innocence.

      Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/048063_flu_vaccines_junk_science_zealotry.html#ixzz3MX3BHMn8

      • Oh, I agree the pharm-mercantilists are equally as crackpot on many things, like the flu and mumps.

        NHL has a mumps epidemic – and considering most of the infected got a shot to prevent mumps has to put doubt into the efficacy of such procedure (as one example).

        Colloidal Silver has been shown to be a powerful treatment against Ebola. Do you see it being promoted? Examples are many of such things.

        But the failure of parm-mercantilists is NOT proof that Oz is any better.

    • What people fail to realize – like B.F. – is that they are both sides the victim and the winner. He merely observes where he wins, and vehemently complains when he is the victim, but fails to see he is always both no matter what, when political policy is enacted.

      Oh, and for example, when they do not reform taxes and continue to steal part of what you earn. Or when they halt the Keystone pipeline)

  36. Want to understand how government’s work?

    After admitting sanctions don’t work (Cuba) they put more sanctions on Russia.

    • While those Republicans remain preoccupied with playing politics and thoughts of winning elections, conservatives want to know why those subjects are treated with higher importance than governing within the boundaries of an oath of office.

      It is this impression that our elected leaders have disdain for everyone who isn’t them that has caused me to wonder just how those people would answer the following questions:
      Are members of the ruling elite repulsed by the thought of their “subjects” questioning their actions?

      Are members of the ruling elite amused by the thought that members of the U.S. military choose to act according to, and honor, their oath of enlistment/commission?

      Do members of the ruling elite roll their eyes at the thought of the majority of police officers placing the safety and lives of others over their own, and holding their loyalty to the Constitution of the United States over acting as revenue agents?

      Do members of the ruling elite believe when many of us pray, it is nothing more than an exercise in futility?

      Do members of the ruling elite feel threatened when parents teach morals and ethics, as well as basic knowledge to their children — lessons that run counter to indoctrination in progressive-orientated schools?

      Do members of the ruling elite feel as though “the rest of us” have not earned the right to: own property, unrestricted travel, smoke, unrestricted access to food, and other “privileges?”

      When the ruling elite recently passed a spending bill that covers the remainder of the fiscal year, did they do so out of fear of the incoming Congress?

      And finally, are the members of the ruling elite baffled by the recent decision of four children in Iraq to choose death by beheading, instead of denouncing their faith in Jesus?

  37. http://kingworldnews.com/paul-craig-roberts-russia-unleash-ultimate-black-swan-west/

    I think Putin will act, but what and when is another issue.

  38. “For two seconds it was the North Koreans, and then the younger guys in our office who know way more about computers were, like, ‘No way. You’d have to know Sony’s network, it has to be somebody on the inside.’ ”


    Watch how those who want to control the internet will use this BS as an excuse for new laws. This has false flag written all over it.

  39. Long overdue Justice, but hopefully only the beginning. I’m betting those involved are all Progressives: http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/12/judge-blasts-school-board-cop-unlawful-arrest-silencing-concerned-father/

    • I’m not going to place blame on anyone but the shooter at this point. While all the race pimping going on may have something to do with it, it may not be the over riding reason for such actions. The Left, in all their ignorance will blame the gun, because it most certainly couldn’t be anything they did.

    • G man…..to do business on a global basis….one must be ready for this. The Ruble has never had a chance. If someone decides to invest in Russia…do it at your own peril. Their track record is not good.

      It is going to be the same in Cuba…..everyone thinks that this inroad from Obama is going to miraculously change things…it will not. You watch what happens….there will be exports from Cuba ( rum and cigars ) but the imports will be severely limited and if anyone thinks they are going to see movies, fast food restaurants, car dealerships etc…….have a good day. You will not see it.

  40. Stephen…….I know you are watching things very closely. This progressive movement has no idea what we saw in the 60’s and 70’s. No clue. They are playing with fire and I fear you will see vigilante groups begging to spring forward. Assassinations of police sitting in their cars is a warning.

    New York is just beginning. I have seen all of this before….the progressive generation has no clue what is about to happen. These protests are a folly…they have zero connection to the two cases but they have a connection to civil unrest with violence and theft. Others also think that the police are far too powerful. The race relations today are far worse than anything in the 60’s except now you have a POTUS and an AG whipping up the racial rhetoric and allowing Al Sharpton to play a role. I see no difference between Sharpton and the black panthers or Malcom X or anyone else wanting to see dead police officers in the street.

    I have warned people to keep weapons close by…..they will be needed.

    If I was a New York cop….I would not respond to any area….let the looters run amok. This entitlement generation makes me sick.

    I am glad that I am in Texas. Demonstrations and violence such as the like in New York and California….will not happen here. And I carry and I profile. To not profile is dangerous.

    • http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/are-sharpton-de-blasio-even-obama-culpable-murder-ny-cops

      This is what Progressives want, chaos, racism, murder, rape and theft. It’s how they are able to come to the rescue and gain power. What they fail to recognize is that American’s are catching on to their little game. They will fail, fatally.

    • I am trying not to watch. the PC forces are out in full swing up here. The mayor, that sorry excuse for a human being is all over the TV playing the grieving “father”. I hope the families do not invite him or better publicly ban him from the funerals. Bratton, who should have retired after the LAPD but wanted one last shot at immortality (and payback to Guilliani) will now forever be linked to the forces of his boss and his bosses right hand adviser, Al Sharpton.

      the media is falling all over themselves to forget the ambush murders of NY cops on patrol in the ’70’s. They want no linkage to that. The black political class and their minions is less, at this point, condemnatory than one would expect. If I hear that the “community” is still outraged over the deaths of———- one more time I may kick the radio through the window.

      From a purely objective point of view, this career criminal that did the two in chose an Asian and a Hispanic cop to kill to get the white power structure! Are we dumb or are we dumb? Seems that had he really wanted to make a statement he would have made it a point to go after the cop that did the strangle hold If he was going to blow his own brains out anyway, might as well take the time to get it right. Wonder how long it will take the conspiracists to plant the rumor that the “perp” was executed. The 93% of the black population that voted for Obama and then believed (all 93%) that the Ferguson cop was guilty of an execution will eat that one up.

      Now I know why my buddy, who joined the NYPD in the dark old Dinkins days pulled the plug after 21 with the comment, nearly ten years ago mind you, that he was “NOT going through this again!” Prescient, wasn’t he?

      The hustlers amaze me. If they get the race war that they have been after for the last 50 years, it will be over in about five minutes. As I told the black panther guy back at college, “If the people ever really get the power, watch out!”

      • Was just reading about the guy you’re talking about. Clipped from MM:

        For those outside of New York City who are not steeped in the social justice movement’s racially charged vigilantism against the police, and for those who may have forgotten, let me tell you about this homicidal “hero.”
        Larry Davis, known as “Loco Larry” on the streets of the Bronx, had racked up a mile-long rap sheet by age 20. The black rapper-turned-drug dealer boasted arrests or convictions for petty larceny, resisting arrest, violating probation, possession of stolen property and burglary. He led violent turf wars against other crack kingpins. In the fall of 1986, police suspected him in the execution of four rivals.
        When an NYPD unit descended on Davis’s flat for questioning, the hoodlum came out with guns blazing. “I’ll shoot them first. I want to die,” he reportedly bragged to family members.
        Davis shot six officers; two sustained grave injuries. Contrary to popular legend (echoed by the Union Square sign displayed last week), the officers all survived. Officer John O’Hara lost an eye. Emergency Service Unit cop Mary Buckley, 40, took shotgun blasts to the face. “Mary was a mess,” her doctor recounted at the time. “Her face was mutilated. The pellets had knocked out her front teeth; her upper jaw was shot away. Your heart went out to her.” After reconstructive surgery, she returned to duty as a police sniper.
        Davis escaped out an unguarded window. He led police on a 17-day, five-city manhunt. Desperate, he sought refuge in a Bronx housing project, where he took a mother and her two young children hostage as he conducted marathon negotiations with law enforcement. When he finally surrendered, many residents cheered him as the ultimate “symbol of resistance.” His radical left-wing lawyers William Kunstler and convicted terror helper Lynne Stewart played a minority-dominated jury like a fiddle – stoking racial resentment and asserting police corruption without evidence.
        The panel acquitted Davis on attempted murder of the officers, but he was convicted on weapons charges. He was ultimately imprisoned on separate murder charges involving another drug crime. In 2008, after reinventing himself as “Adam Abdul Hakeem,” he was stabbed to death by another inmate at Shawangunk Correctional Facility in upstate New York.
        Larry Davis used children as human shields. He talked a big game about martyring himself for The Cause, but turned yellow when push came to shove. Revered by the post-Ferguson generation’s wanna-be revolutionary hipsters, this gutless wonder shot a female officer in the face.

  41. “I suspect that both men are just about to learn that it is one thing to start a revolution, quite another to control it.”

    Pretty accurate words, except there are a lot more than these two men who are complicit in this horror story. The mayors actions are just past understanding. Though I doubt he would ever voluntarily resign and I don’t know how they can force him.


  42. Is there anyone who believes that these protests are a fringe element? Wanting to kill cops and doing it?

  43. http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/21/naacp-blames-guns-not-anti-cop-protests-for-murdered-police-officers/

    Ignorance of so many on the Left is beyond imagination. Buck, how can you support these losers?

  44. https://www.youtube.com/user/cgreene34

    Proving that the SONY hack is a false flag. Blatant bullshit at it’s worse!

  45. Stephen…….can you believe this? The rhetoric? We have been through this once….except today, it is going to be worse. New York has no idea what is about to happen if this mayor and Al Sharpton and Eric Holder do not shut up. I am telling you, although no one wants to believe it…..this country has become more divided than ever before….and it is close to erupting. Very sad.

    • Colonel, Good Morning Sir 🙂
      My best wishes to you and yours on this fine day!

      While racial strife is not any sort of issue with the locals around here, it is evident that your words ring true. The Racepimps like Obama, Sharpton, Holder and the rest seem to want a race war. My concern around here is if a group of wannabe martyrs from a black neighborhood come out this way and decide to screw with the wrong people (pick out an elderly white person to attack). They will get shot. EVERYBODY is carrying their side arm now, there will be no BS in this neck of the woods.

      The Left Wing media ARE part of today’s race pimp population. These people are disgusting and should be charged with inciting violence and other hate crimes. Remember when these bums were whining about the peaceful TEA party protests? About Sarah Palin after the Gifford’s shooting? The Zimmerman case before the BS indictment? THEY want a race war TOO! Maybe an effort to call them out and publically embarrass them might help. Doubt it, as they have no humility and simply don’t care about anything but their political agenda.

      Keep your powder dry and your guns accurate 😀

      • I do not expect trouble here either….not yet. Sharpton came to Dallas, about three weeks ago to try to organize a march…He went to the American Airlines arena….34 people showed up….He did not like the fact that it required a permit to march. He also was petitioning for someone to set up a office of sorts in Texas, for a fee, and he will come and charge speaking fees and collect dues. That do go over either.

        However, just look at the administrations running the cities where the problems are…..nuff said.

        Have a great day and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

        By the way…you will like this. We just had a homeland security guy on the border…in my area…..and he was incensed at the fact that we have basically stopped the border crossings…..from approximately 10,000 per month, we are down to about 400 month and that is falling. We also called him out for trying to take the credit for the decreased border crossings. We have our Guard units patrolling the border…..great training…..ground surveillance radar, drones, infra red detection, dogs, and basic ARMED foot patrols and mechanized vehicles…all in the name of training.

        In addition, it is amazing that the MSM is reporting that the Guard units are only supplying administrative support and are made to stay 5 miles away….This is simply not true. We have gunboats on the river and lakes..troops patrolling the river………the MSM does not want Texas to succeed and is just plain lying on their news reporting. The HOmeland flunkie was waving around a court order from some Federal judge up in Ohio somewhere…..he was told to try to enforce it….and we just laughed him out of here. We told him that since the Federal Government is not enforcing Federal Law…we will enforce State Law for the safety of our citizens….he did not like that either.

        • Glad to see Texas has a handle on things at the border. I do wonder if any of the Amnesty/immigration hacks understand that if they get their way it will do far more harm to the black community than any other minority? I’m guessing that yes, they fully understand and that is their goal. Keep the blacks enslaved to the Democrats. I bet the race pimps know this as well.

  46. Only in America…..the Obama administration frees a GITMO prisoner……..now wants to pay 5 million to get him back…….State Department says they do not understand why this man decided to rejoin Al Queda……really?

  47. http://www.ijreview.com/2014/12/220873-military-support-for-obama-all-time-record/

    I wholly doubt they would fight for this bum President. They fight if we ware attacked, but not likely to invade anywhere (which is good). Maybe they can just remove ALL 537 elected bums and have new elections (dreaming again) 🙂

  48. Is Barack Obama Violating The Law?

    These days, the above would almost seem to be a rhetorical question, but according to Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), Obama’s actions “may be in direct violation of Helms-Burton…” Ros-Lehtinen goes on to say that “this unilateral action by the President without Congressional consultation is in violation of the following U.S. laws: Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (LIBERTAD) Act of 1996, Cuban Democracy Act of 1992, and the Trading with the Enemy Act.”

    Since legislators these days are just too busy to actually read legislation, we decided to save most of them the trouble. Here’s just one (repeat… one) of the pertinent sections of the Helms-Burton act that Barack Obama is violating:


    (a) Presidential Actions. Upon submitting a determination to the appropriate congressional committees under section 203(c)(1) that a transition government in Cuba is in power, the President, after consultation with the Congress, is authorized to take steps to suspend the economic embargo of Cuba and to suspend the right of action created in section 302 with respect to actions thereafter filed against the Cuban Government, to the extent that such steps contribute to a stable foundation for a democratically elected government in Cuba.

    There it is… in black and white for everyone to read.

    • Nobody cares!

      • It is just much easier to lave everything to Caesar, Romans learned that one over 2,000 years ago.

        Anybody else notice that DeBlasio is playing from the Obama handbook? Deny, ignore, obfuscate!

      • It seems that way SK. It’s shameful that those who think the system we have works won’t step up and demand action on this and other obvious illegal activities committed by Obama. If voting works, why isn’t the law being upheld and why isn’t those breaking the law being properly tried for their abuses? Because voting only works for those within the corrupt system. The illusion of fair elections is so amazingly clear, why do so few see it?

        • Seems deBlasio is on the outs with the NYPD (and likely the NYFD), Time for a recall maybe? http://godfatherpolitics.com/19306/ny-cops-tell-mayor-council-speaker-stay-away-funerals/

          Of course, I does give me an idea 😀

          • Please – every mayor in recent history has been on the outs with the NYPD and its union.

            • Not quite like this will go: http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/12/23/tweet-day-bill-de-blasio-remind/

              If true, which is likely with the common ways of modern hard core leftist’s, he is now being outed in a big way. Should be fun to watch him squirm for awhile 🙂

            • Not like this. During the Crown Heights and Washington Heights Riots the cops were furious that Dinkins had them “stand down” for a cooling off period. If I remember correctly a cop was killed on 175th and Amsterdam when a compound bucket was thrown at him, off a roof. The difference between then and now? For 20 years the NYPD has worked hard to make NY a livable city again. they have made it so good that there is apparently no longer a memory of the time when there were 2,000 plus murders a year. The people now in NYC are the ones who believe in their heart of hearts that things are always as they are now, always were and always will be. Funny thing for us oldsters was this was precisely the same attitude that we experienced in the ’70’s when we were climbing to that number. For the Upper west Side intelligentsia (I do not intend to neglect their Upper East Side counterparts nor their Riverdale counterparts nor their Midwood Brooklyn counterparts) the bad things that happened in the ’70’s must have been the same as in the 30’s 40’s or 50’s and nothing, not no how, not no way would ever convince them otherwise. Dumber than shit.

              • SK, in short, what is it like now in NYC for the cops? Note….I’m against a police state…but not against police, if that makes any sense.

              • I’m close by but not there. I think it pretty obvious that they feel betrayed. Lots of work and effort have gone into cleaning up the sewer NY became over the past 20 years. As usual, the guys who did the leg work get kicked to the curb while everybody (who had nothing to do with it) claims credit.

                There is a problem in NY, the Eric Gardner case brought it front and forward. The younger cops, not just NY but everywhere are way too aggressive. A good shrink could write a great book on this one. My unusually perceptive son called it out in about ’03-’04 when he said it was the excessive use of the word “hero”. His thing was Army or Police, hero should be reserved for the ones who do exceptional things above and beyond. Using the word too often cheapens it. In addition it gives the “heroes” the opportunity to believe their own propaganda. Then it becomes too much an us vs. them thing. That has always been an issue with the police. Many good friends in my younger days fell away because they became cops and felt nobody not on the force could relate to them. But, it has become much worse.

                I’ve heard cops complain that their fellow cops use the term “civilians” regarding the public. Exactly where else do you hear that? The militarization of the police either because of the events of 9-11, or former soldiers becoming cops, or SWAT mindedness, or free government assault vehicles has become a problem.

                Now, by and large the majority of cops are just like anyone else and I don’t think most are looking for trouble. The problem in situations like this where there is the very distinct impression that they are in fact the problem and not the solution plays havoc with their image of themselves. We talk about “street smart” Well these guys have PhD’s in street smarts. They can read between the lines, not only can they see who the mayor is playing to but they could see by the last election just how little the public even thinks about them.

                One thing I have been very impressed with in the PD over the past thirty plus years is the rooting out of corruption. Even people like Buck who were not old enough to be there know who Frank Serpico was. Digging a bit would lead you to a history of repetitive large scale police corruption occurring at 15 to 20 year intervals (what ever happened to the French Connection Heroin anyway?). The NYPD has had small scale corruption since but nothing like the old days when they pretty much got away with anything. It is a testament to their professionalism.

                Lastly, when you think of Police morale, you cannot ignore that big city cops make basically bupkis compared to town or suburban cops. The good ones stay in the city some for the sense of making the difference some for the adrenaline rush. The bad ones leave and go to Closter.



              • Good morning SK 🙂 Let me begin by wishing you and yours best wishes on this fine Christmas Eve 🙂

                The cops have had a lot to do with how they are perceived, mainly because of the internet age. They are being filmed and put on the net for all to see, and most of that is bad for the cops. Occasionally a good one comes out, but by far most are bad. The militarization is also well known and not liked by a majority of the populace. These two things have many people believing that the cops are a big part of the problem. Not many can articulate a solution.

                The cops need to stand down and only investigate crimes after the fact for awhile. Get them off the streets, deploy in numbers to investigate and do nothing within the communities that seem to dislike them. Let the chips fall where they may. Most likely, it’s those very communities that will suffer from these actions.

                Cops need to get some classroom time as to what their job really is. End the war on drugs, it’s useless and never going to end. End SWAT teams and all militarized units. Change how police work with the community and in neighborhoods. A more personal approach will go a long way to changing perception. Stop arresting people over stupid stuff, like selling loosies. End checkpoints of all kinds, they rarely do any good and usually end up on You Tube with something bad.

                The change must begin with the cops. The next change needs to come by reducing the number of stupid laws that they are asked to deal with. Local ordinances and taxes should not be a police issue, let those who pass these laws figure out how to enforce them (watch the stupid laws simply go away). The cops should deal with murder, rape, assault, theft and crimes within that realm. They should only come when called. Put personal protection in the hands of the people, where it already is and belongs. It’s not the cop’s job to protect, and it never has been. Remove all the dumb anti-gun laws that prevent this, crime will go down quickly.

                That’s a start 😀

              • G-man

                This is the one I am reminded of by this newest shooting.Historically, I really wonder if anything ever changes. We just seem to have to go through this generation after generation. I take big issue with those who say we can’t “blame” DeBlasio, Sharpton, Holder, Obama et al. We can damn well blame anyone whose rhetoric consists of either outright calls for violence or the more subtle call such as the constant harping on racism, racism, racism and how you never get a fair shake.


                Last night was watching some of the bobble heads (young black academics looking for grant money) on C-Span go on again about how more money, more education will change things. Where the hell has this 68 year old heard that before? There is no family left in the self imposed ghetto, no guidance, no rule, no love, no mercy and those people who have brought it about, first the white intellectual elite now the black minions they have created deserve ALL the blame we can heap on them.

        • Well looky there, someone has seen the light: http://godfatherpolitics.com/19296/no-longer-republican/

          The illusion is so clear, one would have to be blind not to see it.

        • In the end, the report singles out eight IRS senior managers who were in a position to stop the targeting of conservative groups but didn’t. In some cases, they helped the targeting along.

          The eight: Doug Shulman, Former Commissioner; Jonathan Davis, Chief of Staff to Shulman; Steven Miller, Former Acting Commissioner; Nikole Flax, Chief of Staff to Miller; William Wilkins, Chief Counsel; Joseph Grant, Former Acting Commissioner, Tax Exempt and Government Entities; Lois Lerner, Former Director, Exempt Organizations; Holly Paz, Director, Rulings and Agreements.

          Anyone want to bet no one will be held truly accountable?

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            I believe the news stated that the Issa report found that there was NO link to the White House in any of this mess. The link is the management chain. The IRS works for the Secretary of the Treasury who works for the POTUS. They appear to never be aware or managing any of the activities of those under them. And these are serious activities and or operations. The Fast and Furious….same thing. Holder “knew” nothing about a major international operation being run by the ATF. Again works directly for the POTUS.

            The spokesman for the WH over and over claims that this POTUS has used “Executive Orders” less than any president in quite some time, so how can he be accused of presidential over- reach…clearly lies and obfuscation because he’s used “memoranda” instead that do not have to cite the statute he’s adjusting and are almost impossible for Congress to override. EPA, ACA, immigration, and now Cuba.

            I really do not care about Cuba because it really does not affect us per se, and to me has just been our governments actions are just being a petulant child not getting their way. “How Dare” this tiny country tell us to shove it. Note I do absolutely remember the late 50’s and 60’s crisis. Regardless of their government. With every nation on earth trading with Cuba it has not changed the welfare of the people one iota, how can our opening up trade affect it. None what so ever. Except one thing I believe our corporations will rape people in the country one way or another and enrich those in power. We have to seriously ask ourselves, “What gives the traction” in these countries like Venezuela, Argentina, Cuba, Bolivia, Indonesia, Philippines, most ME countries and Africa etc to be so virulent anti US.

            This is to Buck. If as you say that Federal Law trumps all State law, why bother with any State governments. I choose to side with D13 on this issue. The Federal Statutes on Immigration have NOT changed. The current administration has chosen to SELECTIVELY enforce the statutes thereby harming the individual States. It therefore becomes encumbant for the State to protect itself against harm by the neglect of the leaky umbrella of Federal enforcement. If the Statute changes the argument holds but hasn’t.

            To all have a very Merry Christmas or what ever one choses to celebrate. We’re wet and having thunderstorms and 74 degrees. Beats the heck out of a couple feet of snow.

            • Merry Christmas to you and yours Dale! I’d like to add to your question to Buck (and include everyone). What give the Federal government the authority to outlaw anything that can be bought and sold? Let’s use pot as an example for this exercise.

  49. Some needed comedy for the day (all my fellow hunters should enjoy this one) : http://patriotoutdoornews.com/12444/hunting-parody-pretty-bad-hunting-deer-video

    • Later, on the drive home, I called a friend of mine back in Baltimore. He’s black, successful, and hard-working. He also resents the way he’s gotten swept into the zeitgeist of Ferguson. In his words,

      “I’m a pawn in someone else’s agenda, and I’m sick of it. I know what bias looks like in my life. I’m tired of being represented by two petty criminals who died resisting arrest.”

    • Strange how the Liberal stated Conservatives wanted a police state and the Liberal’s wanted anarchy. Had to kind laugh on that one, considering I have posted many links exposing the “police state” as being evil to it’s core. I’m definitely not a Liberal, but think we would be better off much closer (not all the way) to anarchy than the mess we have now (which is causing far more problems then they are solving…….actually, their causing pretty much all the problems in society). Would have loved to heard that conversation in person. Silly how the facts didn’t seem to matter.

  50. SK, a good article on the topic of our discussion: http://personalliberty.com/war-started/

    • Been thinking about the current militarization of Police as being a response to the ’60’s when the cops were thunderstruck by the weathermen, the SLA, the BLA,AIM and other violent organizations. Of course, if you listened to the Police bosses in those days you would have thought the groups were equivalent to Attila and his horde. The media jumped on the bandwagon.

      Despite the fact that in my old neighborhood the drug dealers were mostly busy killing each other during the Cocaine/Crack wars (with collateral damage to family members and people in the wrong place at the wrong time) it was sold by the media as coming to the home next door to you. Not saying it didn’t happen but it was not widespread.


      • It seems to be getting worse, rather than lessening up. Black teen pulls gun on cop in Berkley Mo, cop kills armed teen, people riot. WTF? I’ve been quite critical over the years about cops abusing their authority, using excessive force and becoming militarized. I totally dislike the use of SWAT to deal with warrants. The actions of police during the search for Boston marathon bomber made me sick, totally out of control in my opinion. At the same time we have great cops everywhere who generally care about people. They treat all people with respect and dignity, many times during an arrest. If the cops are doing wrong, the place to deal with them is in the courts, be it criminal or civil, a jury can have the last word.

        We have much to fix in law enforcement. Maybe fixing the underlying cause of the inner city criminal element would be a good start. Reduce welfare, fix the education system and fire every damn political lifer on both sides of the spectrum. The racist Democrat Party needs to follow the Republicrats into extinction. ALL OF THEM! Repeal the current Congress and have new elections that have regular citizens running for office. Elliminate ALL Federal laws, most are unconstitutional anyway. Delete all the alphabet agencies, ALL of them. Take care of the vets, as promised, and the elderly. Bring our troops home where we don’t have agreements limiting that with allies. Use of military limited to defensive use ONLY. No more Czars, President will get a budget. Live within said budget. Want advice, call the State governors. The Vice President can serve as SoS and actually earn a paycheck.

        This insane oversized Federal government IS the CAUSE of far too many problems.

        As too the Liberal media. LIE, your out of the business. Talk about taking the Rights of the people, you go to jail for treason. Reduce the size and scope of State governments too! We don’t need 1 million laws.

        I can go on!

  51. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-the-fbi-get-it-wrong-on-north-korea/

    Let me repeat. The feds and Sony conspired to MAKE UP the whole NK hack job. SONY benefits because of the free advertisement and one other thing, dead laws called SOPA and CISPA being reintroduced for a vote next month. FALSE FLAG lies! The government wants control over the internet and SONY wants more protection against copyright infringement. It’s a win-win for the FEDS, Hollywood and the Feds. It’s a NO WIN for the people.

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