Battlefied America: A Commentary Worth Sharing

Battlefield America: The War on the American People


By John W. Whitehead
April 20, 2015

“A government which will turn its tanks upon its people, for any reason, is a government with a taste of blood and a thirst for power and must either be smartly rebuked, or blindly obeyed in deadly fear.”—John Salter

We have entered into a particularly dismal chapter in the American narrative, one that shifts us from a swashbuckling tale of adventure into a bone-chilling horror story.

As I document in my new book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, “we the people” have now come full circle, from being held captive by the British police state to being held captive by the American police state. In between, we have charted a course from revolutionaries fighting for our independence and a free people establishing a new nation to pioneers and explorers, braving the wilderness and expanding into new territories.

Where we went wrong, however, was in allowing ourselves to become enthralled with and then held hostage by a military empire in bondage to a corporate state (the very definition of fascism). No longer would America hold the moral high ground as a champion of freedom and human rights. Instead, in the pursuit of profit, our overlords succumbed to greed, took pleasure in inflicting pain, exported torture, and imported the machinery of war, transforming the American landscape into a battlefield, complete with military personnel, tactics and weaponry.

To our dismay, we now find ourselves scrambling for a foothold as our once rock-solid constitutional foundation crumbles beneath us. And no longer can we rely on the president, Congress, the courts, or the police to protect us from wrongdoing.

Indeed, they have come to embody all that is wrong with America.

For instance, how does a man who is relatively healthy when taken into custody by police lapse into a coma and die while under their supervision? What kind of twisted logic allows a police officer to use a police car to run down an American citizen and justifies it in the name of permissible deadly force? And what country are we living in where the police can beat, shoot, choke, taser and tackle American citizens, all with the protection of the courts?

Certainly, the Constitution’s safeguards against police abuse means nothing when government agents can crash through your door, terrorize your children, shoot your dogs, and jail you on any number of trumped of charges, and you have little say in the matter. For instance, San Diego police, responding to a domestic disturbance call on a Sunday morning, showed up at the wrong address, only to shoot the homeowner’s 6-year-old service dog in the head.

Rubbing salt in the wound, it’s often the unlucky victim of excessive police force who ends up being charged with wrongdoing. Although 16-year-old Thai Gurule was charged with resisting arrest and strangling and assaulting police officers, a circuit judge found that it was actually the three officers who unlawfully stopped, tackled, punched, kneed, tasered and yanked his hair who were at fault. Thankfully, bystander cell phone videos undermined police accounts, which were described as “works of fiction.”

Not even our children are being spared the blowback from a growing police presence. As one juvenile court judge noted in testimony to Congress, although having police on public school campuses did not make the schools any safer, it did result in large numbers of students being arrested for misdemeanors such as school fights and disorderly conduct. One 11-year-old autistic Virginia student was charged with disorderly conduct and felony assault after kicking a trashcan and resisting a police officer’s attempt to handcuff him. A 14-year-old student was tasered by police, suspended and charged with disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and trespassing after he failed to obey a teacher’s order to be the last student to exit the classroom.

There is no end to the government’s unmitigated gall in riding roughshod over the rights of the citizenry, whether in matters of excessive police powers, militarized police, domestic training drills, SWAT team raids, surveillance, property rights, overcriminalization, roadside strip searches, profit-driven fines and prison sentences, etc.

The president can now direct the military to detain, arrest and secretly execute American citizens. These are the powers of an imperial dictator, not an elected official bound by the rule of law. For the time being, Barack Obama wears the executioner’s robe, but you can rest assured that this mantle will be worn by whomever occupies the Oval Office in the future.

A representative government means nothing when the average citizen has little to no access to their elected officials, while corporate lobbyists enjoy a revolving door relationship with everyone from the President on down. Indeed, while members of Congress hardly work for the taxpayer, they work hard at being wooed by corporations, which spend more to lobby our elected representatives than we spend on their collective salaries. For that matter, getting elected is no longer the high point it used to be. As one congressman noted, for many elected officials, “Congress is no longer a destination but a journey… [to a] more lucrative job as a K Street lobbyist… It’s become routine to see members of Congress drop their seat in Congress like a hot rock when a particularly lush vacancy opens up.”

As for the courts, they have long since ceased being courts of justice. Instead, they have become courts of order, largely marching in lockstep with the government’s dictates, all the while helping to increase the largesse of government coffers. It’s called for-profit justice, and it runs the gamut of all manner of financial incentives in which the courts become cash cows for communities looking to make an extra buck. As journalist Chris Albin-Lackey details, “They deploy a crushing array of fines, court costs, and other fees to harvest revenues from minor offenders that these communities cannot or do not want to raise through taxation.” In this way, says Albin-Lackey, “A resident of Montgomery, Alabama who commits a simple noise violation faces only a $20 fine—but also a whopping $257 in court costs and user fees should they seek to have their day in court.”

As for the rest—the schools, the churches, private businesses, service providers, nonprofits and your fellow citizens—many are also marching in lockstep with the police state. This is what is commonly referred to as community policing. After all, the police can’t be everywhere. So how do you police a nation when your population outnumbers your army of soldiers? How do you carry out surveillance on a nation when there aren’t enough cameras, let alone viewers, to monitor every square inch of the country 24/7? How do you not only track but analyze the transactions, interactions and movements of every person within the United States? The answer is simpler than it seems: You persuade the citizenry to be your eyes and ears.

It’s a brilliant ploy, with the added bonus that while the citizenry remains focused on and distrustful of each other, they’re incapable of focusing on more definable threats that fall closer to home—namely, the government and its militarized police. In this way, we’re seeing a rise in the incidence of Americans being reported for growing vegetables in their front yard, keeping chickens in their back yard, letting their kids walk to the playground alone, and voicing anti-government sentiments. For example, after Shona Banda’s son defended the use of medical marijuana during a presentation at school, school officials alerted the police and social services, and the 11-year-old was interrogated, taken into custody by social workers, had his home raided by police and his mother arrested.

Now it may be that we have nothing to worry about. Perhaps the government really does have our best interests at heart. Perhaps covert domestic military training drills such as Jade Helm really are just benign exercises to make sure our military is prepared for any contingency. As the Washington Post describes the operation:

The mission is vast both geographically and strategically: Elite service members from all four branches of the U.S. military will launch an operation this summer in which they will operate covertly among the U.S. public and travel from state to state in military aircraft. Texas, Utah and a section of southern California are labeled as hostile territory, and New Mexico isn’t much friendlier.

Now I don’t believe in worrying over nothing, but it’s safe to say that the government has not exactly shown itself to be friendly in recent years, nor have its agents shown themselves to be cognizant of the fact that they are civilians who answer to the citizenry, rather than the other way around.

Whether or not the government plans to impose some form of martial law in the future remains to be seen, but there can be no denying that we’re being accustomed to life in a military state. The malls may be open for business, the baseball stadiums may be packed, and the news anchors may be twittering nonsense about the latest celebrity foofa, but those are just distractions from what is really taking place: the transformation of America into a war zone.

Trust me, if it looks like a battlefield (armored tanks on the streets, militarized police in metro stations, surveillance cameras everywhere), sounds like a battlefield (SWAT team raids nightly, sound cannons to break up large assemblies of citizens), and acts like a battlefield (police shooting first and asking questions later, intimidation tactics, and involuntary detentions), it’s a battlefield.

Indeed, what happened in Ocala, Florida, is a good metaphor for what’s happening across the country: Sheriff’s deputies, dressed in special ops uniforms and riding in an armored tank on a public road, pulled a 23-year-old man over and issued a warning violation to him after he gave them the finger. The man, Lucas Jewell, defended his actions as a free speech expression of his distaste for militarized police.

Translation: “We the people” are being hijacked on the highway by government agents with little knowledge of or regard for the Constitution, who are hyped up on the power of their badge, outfitted for war, eager for combat, and taking a joy ride—on taxpayer time and money—in a military tank that has no business being on American soil.

Rest assured, unless we slam on the brakes, this runaway tank will soon be charting a new course through terrain that bears no resemblance to land of our forefathers, where freedom meant more than just the freedom to exist and consume what the corporate powers dish out.

Rod Serling, one of my longtime heroes and the creator of The Twilight Zone, understood all too well the danger of turning a blind eye to evil in our midst, the “things that scream for a response.” As Serling warned, “if we don’t listen to that scream – and if we don’t respond to it – we may well wind up sitting amidst our own rubble, looking for the truck that hit us – or the bomb that pulverized us. Get the license number of whatever it was that destroyed the dream. And I think we will find that the vehicle was registered in our own name.”

If you haven’t managed to read the writing on the wall yet, the war has begun.



  1. Good Morning SUFA 😎

  2. People keep saying, ‘We need to have a conversation about race,” Morrison, 84, told The (U.K.) Telegraph.

    “This is the conversation. I want to see a cop shoot a white unarmed teenager in the back,” Morrison said. “And I want to see a white man convicted for raping a black woman. Then when you ask me, ‘Is it over?’, I will say yes.”

    Maybe we should just take guns from the cops so they can’t shoot anybody 🙂

  3. Now for some regular politics, here’s one who thinks women aren’t that bright :

    I’ll give HER a pass, as she is a Liberal. Liberal’s can’t help but shit from the mouth 😀

  4. Examiner: Would you ever return to practicing medicine?

    Coburn: I just filled in for a former partner who filled in for a missionary in Africa — I took over his practice for six weeks. I would never go back and practice medicine the way it is today, never. I’d have to be a concierge doctor. There’s no way I’d play the game they’re having to play. It’s just so much work that doesn’t help a patient.

  5. NFL information 🙂 The 2015 schedule will be released this evening at 8pm. Much of it leaks early and your favorite team schedule may be public sooner.

  6. Before you know it, government’s will be dictating what you can and can’t eat. WTF? For the record, I’m not against vaccinations but do believe it’s a personal choice, as should any medical issue be.

    • “Across Europe, more than 800 children are so far known to have been made ill by the vaccine,” reports the International Business Times.

      The vaccine caused narcolepsy and cataplexy in hundreds of children. Both are signs of neurological damage caused by vaccine additives which include mercury, aluminum, MSG, antibiotics and even formaldehyde.

      Incredibly, even those children who are damaged by vaccines end up being big profit centers for the same pharmaceutical companies that damaged them in the first place.

      I have personal knowledge that this is quite true.

  7. 😉

  8. 😉 .

  9. Will McGraw go the way of the Dixie Chicks? This is a stupid move on his part.

    I would not be surprised if he cancels, country fans don’t play the gun control game.

  10. Cindy Archer, one of the lead architects of Wisconsin’s Act 10 — also called the “Wisconsin Budget Repair Bill,” it limited public-employee benefits and altered collective-bargaining rules for public-employee unions — was jolted awake by yelling, loud pounding at the door, and her dogs’ frantic barking. The entire house — the windows and walls — was shaking. She looked outside to see up to a dozen police officers, yelling to open the door. They were carrying a battering ram.

    She wasn’t dressed, but she started to run toward the door, her body in full view of the police. Some yelled at her to grab some clothes, others yelled for her to open the door.

    “I was so afraid,” she says. “I did not know what to do.” She grabbed some clothes, opened the door, and dressed right in front of the police. The dogs were still frantic.

    “I begged and begged, ‘Please don’t shoot my dogs, please don’t shoot my dogs, just don’t shoot my dogs.’ I couldn’t get them to stop barking, and I couldn’t get them outside quick enough. I saw a gun and barking dogs. I was scared and knew this was a bad mix.”

    She got the dogs safely out of the house, just as multiple armed agents rushed inside. Some even barged into the bathroom, where her partner was in the shower. The officer or agent in charge demanded that Cindy sit on the couch, but she wanted to get up and get a cup of coffee.

    “I told him this was my house and I could do what I wanted.” Wrong thing to say. “This made the agent in charge furious. He towered over me with his finger in my face and yelled like a drill sergeant that I either do it his way or he would handcuff me.”

    They wouldn’t let her speak to a lawyer. She looked outside and saw a person who appeared to be a reporter. Someone had tipped him off.

    The neighbors started to come outside, curious at the commotion, and all the while the police searched her house, making a mess, and — according to Cindy — leaving her “dead mother’s belongings strewn across the basement floor in a most disrespectful way.”

    Then they left, carrying with them only a cellphone and a laptop.

    David French describes two other dawn or pre-dawn raids that were just as horrific as the above story (if not more than). He points out that every single victim was threatened with penalties if they spoke about these raids even to an attorney. He describes how the laws in Minnesota were used by Liberals to give these terrorism sessions the color of law.

    These people were being punished for helping Scott Walker.


  11. Interesting, not the first time I have heard of a new currency, but not as a Keynesian weapon:


    Interesting look at Democide from 1900 to 1988.

  13. Does anyone else see a problem with the growing secrecy that the Feds are working under? Isn’t this how bad things usually happen to it’s citizens? Here’s a new Bill being discussed:

    A quick thanks for Anita for the ad blocker link, it has made a big difference! Thanks 😀

  14. NFL leak- Packers to host Bears Thanksgiving night 🙂

    • In the previous session, I suggested that the Russkies bail them out and start making buddy-buddy with Turkey.

      Admittedly not an economist (hear that BF?) I would think the idea of sanctions breaking Russia in this era of monopoly money and command controlled economies is stupid. Remember that even in the bad old Sov. Union days, Russia maintained the fiction of a $ 1.25 ruble when you could exchange a dollar bill on the streets of Moscow for five rubles.

      • LOL, I’m not an economist either, so I ask for opinions. I’m guessing that Greece will default and leave the EU. Russia will jump in and help out financially, for certain trade and maybe some military considerations. I can see the EU going away, short of something unexpected. Then again, I could be totally wrong. I still have a gut feeling a big war is going to happen. Really big!

        • There is nothing the Greeks have that Russia wants. Russians aren’t dumb. Greece is a wreck and will take down anyone within a stone’s throw from them.

          The days of “exporting Communism” are over. Russia will let the mess of the PIGS suck down the West’s resources. This will increase the regional security for Russia, and even the playing field economically.

          • They are beginning trade for food, which is good for both countries. I can go with your line of thinking, although some common trade activities could help down the road.

      • Nah, won’t happen.
        Russia and the Turks are wholly different cultures. Russia has no interest in the Turk; it already has the Dardenelles Straits by treaty, and that is all they need. Russia has no interest (Limited?) interest in the mess and confusion of the Mediterranean nations.

        • But what mischief they could play and it would not cost much.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          The Montreaux Treaty governing the straits still is in place which allows Turkey a great deal of discrecionary power determining in peace or war who uses the straits and what type of warships can transit. However, nations are pressuring Turkey to sign a UN convention, UNCLOS or bring the Montreaux Treaty in line with their convention. I remember in the 70’s a big dust-up when more Soviet warships were transiting the straits into the Med. I saved a cartoon from that time showing 2 admirals sitting in a bathtub labeled “The Med” playing with their toy boats. Nixon was standing over them directing his comments at the Russian admiral…”We were here first”

          To me the bigger issue is the EU continually pushing Turkey away and into a position that makes them more aligned with groups in the M/E than Europe. What Russia needs is a stable southern border. The European nations to the west are to dependant on the energy resources to do anything more than send token complaints and blankets.

          Why is the EU trying to keep Greece in. Write it off. The debt is a minicule amount when compared to other nations who have defaulted on international debt and NO catastrophy happened. Life went on. I think the EU fears more that when one goes others will go, because of the rough-shod manner Germany and France have run over lessor nations to protect their industries.

          My prediction…all these gaffs insulting the Slavic nations by our high level leaders will result in NATO ie US forces out of the former Soviet held nations. Then NATO will come apart, then the EU. Those nations will be forced to defend themselves and their migration policy will mostly impact the periferal nations such as Greece, Italy and Spain worst causing them to take actions against the EU will.

          Today’s Obama clarification of the reason for the TR battlegroup going to the seas off Yemen is to protect the rights of navigation. The Iranian ships will land and unload their cargos unmolested.


    A NEW term being tossed out by the Warmers: climate change storms These people are phu-qed up in the head.

  16. On seeking a deal to stop or stall Iran’s nuclear program, America’s infantile negotiators, led by John Kerry were no match for the ayatollahs. These were children bargaining with grown men. The ayatollahs trifled with Obama’s “best and brightest” during the negotiations and scorned them as laughable losers after the negotiations.

    • Dunno about you but does it not seem that Sen. Kerry or Lurch as Rush calls him, who did serve in Viet-Nam fits the profile of the obnoxious five year old begging the neighborhood kids to let him play?

      Pretty Pleaze, sign my deal?

  17. NFL leak- Steelers at Patriots for season opener. First Sunday Night game, Giants at Cowboys. Atlanta at Giants, week 2.

  18. This Is Nuts——$5.3 Trillion Of Government Bonds Now Have Negative Yields

    Yes, folks.
    People (lenders) are PAYING borrowers (government) for the “privilege” of giving them money.

    “Lend me $10, and I will pay you back $9. It’s a deal!!”

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Simple me, but isn’t that truth in advertising by the government? In reality you’ll probably lose technically more through the devaluation from all this money floating around by the time the bond matures.. Savers screwed once again

    • Nuts isn’t the word, it’s upside down. This won’t last long at all. Why don’t I think this will end well?

  19. Not enough money and the cops should be fired and charged with felony assault :

  20. I still do not understand much of the bitching about Mr. Obama’s foreign policy, from many here.

    I have seen claims such as “Who are we to decide who gets nukes”?

    “We need to pull out of the middle east”.

    “We should not be the worlds police”.

    I know you may be confused by Mr. O’s use of the military from time to time but over all his accomplishment is in line with those demanding we pull out.

    He has reduced our influence in the region, along with our footprint. He has created a vacuum that the locals are filling, which is what would have happened with a full on “bug out”.

    If you look at his interventions as just fighting brush fires in order to keep the main goals on track, you will see his long game is the same as many of us here.

    In my opinion, the only thing that prevented the “bug out” scenario was lack of majority agreement from two camps.

    One, the people of the USA. Things were going well until ISIS messed up the “optics”.

    Two, some of our Mid. East allies, or friends. I think Hillary and Barack may have misunderstood the rapid push from the Shia factions and the radical Sunnis that could upset the balance.

    I think it very fair to condemn POTUS for lack of clarity as to what his long term goals are, but the results seem to be progressing towards the USA being GONE from the Middle East.

    And yes, Israel will be on its own, if this trend continues.

    • How is bombing Libya into a 4th world country, supporting rebels in Syria who used Saudi supplied chemical weapons, supplying and training ISIS since 2008, pushing for the uprising and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood to take control of Egypt, amongst other acts pulling out of the ME?

      • I just explained that. Stop looking at the little skirmishes and look at the bigger picture.

        But lets take Libya. Gadhafi had signed a deal with the US, committing us to cooperation with him. Mr. O supported the Brotherhoods uprising in Egypt and the same group expanding to Libya………replacing the US’s new “kind of friend” with local control that did not answer to the USA. Mr. O didn’t anticipate the Egyptian general putting a stop to the Brotherhoods take over of Egypt. Libya sent a message to the rest of the Middle East.

        Go ahead and revolt, we will either help you or stand by and not interfere. As I said, the examples of using force can be tied to the political pressure he gets from the two sources. Take that away and our presence would be virtually nothing by now.

        How does it differ from what you claim to want?

        Do you think the US should stop Iran from getting Nukes? If not then why complain about the negotiations with Iran?

        • Iran is not a threat to the US, let Israel deal with them. Obama and Kerry should mind their own business, which Iran is not their business. Libya was a war crime, in my opinion and we had no business in Egypt’s business. Claiming we are pulling out is bullshit, we’re knee deep in the ME and the idiot in the Whitehouse now has restarted the cold war. Your support for the feds is becoming very telling!

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Why go through the charade of “negotiations” with Iran about nukes when it in truth should not matter. If they truly want to commit suicide. Heck look at the stink about N Korea. They’ve got one. Will they bluster sure, use it no. Will they threaten to get more aid yes.

          I am much more in favor of a policy advocated by Ron Paul, questioning our having troops in 150+ countries. If it really matters for our national interests we could project power anywhere in a matter of hours. Where we are creating a boogie man out of Russia today. When their military spending is a fraction of ours. Same with China. I know he’s getting pulled by idiots like McCain and Graham one way and others in a different direction, creates a confused mess. He’s president. It’s his policy pick one and stick to it. Don’t waffle, People would have a hell of a lot more respect. My example 3 different press releases over 3 business days about Yemen. That is someone who doesn’t know what he wants or able handle the power given to him by the voters. And I do not mean acting unilaterally with executive orders and presidential directives because he’s tired of waiting.

          His and Hillary’s policy created the current issues which are far more out of control than if we had just kept our mouth shut. The EU is reaping what they sowed in Libya. They would not have lasted 2 days in their effort without OUR forces to back them up and supply of ammunition.

          My take is the place is not worth anymore american lives. We wasted those that went before. This by no means is meant as an offense to those that went and served. We should do as Columbus and Vasco de Gama and the explorers did…they made the M/E not relevent and the empire there was dying from that day forward. Make imported oil irrelevent from our national standpoint. Let Europe do what they may to survive. I always liked George Washington’s farewell address cautioning about foreign alliances. If our involvement would be trade…”FAIR TRADE” we’d have a heck of a lot less problems especially with the ME, Indonesia, Philipines to just name a couple debacles.

          As was noted in the interview posted by BF…..the major point to take away is we keep forcing our western political beliefs on those that do not follow them. Unfortunately force is used all together to often. If the truth in our system is so great let its light shine self eveidently and people will follow voluntarily.

        • Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with you more-Obama isn’t trying to get us out of other Countries business-if anything he just wants us to ask permission before we act-He hasn’t stayed out of these situations, he has either caused them or interfered in them and then stood by while people were being killed. Israel shouldn’t be left alone to defend themselves-hell Obama won’t allow them to defend themselves. And as far as ISIS-there are some fractions that are so bad -all of humanity should stand up and stop them-WE should stop them.

          • V.H.

            Imagine if ISIS had not started the barbaric murdering. In fact think back to the first public beheadings and how long it took POTUS to react. Without those public events ISIS would have taken western Iraq and be building strength.

            And the USA would have done nothing, in my opinion.

            I did not say Mr. O is not meddling or hasn’t meddled at all. I am saying look at the big picture and his long game. He is creating the scenario which matches that where we leave. Frankly, it looks like he is trying to set a new table before bugging out.

            But like all POTUS before him, he has to react to political pressure. And that pressure will not allow him to simply walk away. Which is what I think he would like to do. So he strikes here and there where the most “visible” atrocities are occurring to make it look like we are helping. Yet the dominoes keep falling.

            The only question in my mind is whether there is an intentional plan or if this is all just his reacting to the chaos Bush and he unleashed.

            I see the sum of all that has happened fitting a view point, and outcome, where in the USA is just another player in the region. One with no special place and certainly no moral authority over any other players. Israel will be treated like all others, again no special place at the table.

            That in essence is what the outcome will be if many here had their way. So is the complaint with Obama really about the means and the fact he didn’t just pull out all together? Because I see the same outcome from his apparent chaotic policy as that which would result from leaving the ME to its own devices..

      • Not to mention the warships dealing with Yemen, negotiating with Iran, releasing enemy combatants for deserters…..Shall I go on?

        • No. Please stop. You continue to focus on what should have or not have been done. Cynical every step of the way. When others focus on what needs to be done NOW, you jump on them for supporting the feds. It’s not as easy as you make it out to be. You want us to pull out? So do I. Then what? Seems everywhere we pull out of, falls apart. Then your reply becomes “if we weren’t there to begin with”. That’s not a solution or a way to figure a way forward. It’s a brick wall.

          • Hogwash! The US hasn’t pulled out of nowhere! Our military might have come home, but the CIA and others are alive and well. ISIS is a CIA funded bunch of barbarians put together by the US long ago. I’ll just stop at this point and let you look it all up. Even the CIA has admitted to supporting ISIS

            • Do you have a buzz tonight cause you’re talking in circles. JAC’s original beef was about foreign policy, you turned it into something else. Foreign policy has more to do with than just ISIS. It’s diplomacy between countries. Matter of fact, as I’m typing this out…that’s all the more reason FOR the CIA, etc, to be involved. ISIS isn’t even a country. But that’s besides the point. So can you agree with JAC, that Obama’s foreign policy so far should be more to your liking. You don’t want us to be some overpowering force in the world..and Obama is doing just that. We may be powerful but we don’t have the will so to speak. So the question is, is Obama’s foreign policy acceptable?

              • JAC says “I know you may be confused by Mr. O’s use of the military from time to time but over all his accomplishment is in line with those demanding we pull out.”

                I say bullshit.

                You say “You don’t want us to be some overpowering force in the world..and Obama is doing just that.”

                I say bullshit.

                Which part of my examples don’t you understand? It’s quite simple, Obama is no better than Bush with foreign policy, but actually worse. Please read my response to JAC.

              • It isn’t always just the military that matter in foreign policy, don’t fall for that line of bullshit either. The US is doing just as much clandestine crap as any other President as of late, see Ukraine. Geez, are you and JAC blind?

            • Has the CIA EVER gotten anything right? Just asking?

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            The large US military bases in Europe unfortunately have become economic life preservers to the areas they are in.

            The Obama foreign policy initilally was all about “self determination” The unfortunate thing is that we have altogether continued to initiate the upheaval and then left it in worse shape than if we had stayed out. This is a question I’ve always wanted to ask….what if there was a terrorist who is here in the US hiding. What if France sent in killer squads or a cruise missile to take them out. What would our reaction be? Where we do it with impunity at our whim to other sovereign nations.

            He’s unfortunately is just carrying on a long running policy that preceeded him by decades. And whomever succeeds him will also. Who really is in control, beats the hell out of me.

            • I am getting much better at understanding your posts, it requires some deciphering at times. Your last two lines are absolutely correct. Obama is following Bush, who followed Clinton. Whoever follows Obama will do the same. Obama is Bush on low grade steroids, the next person will not be much different. Can’t seem to get people to open their eyes enough to see the shit sandwich they keep eating on election day.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                I unfortunately have to many thoughts banging around between my ears. I try an put a break between thoughts that may not related to each other.

                I never really thought about Armenian history and trials and tribulations and decided to do some reading. I absolutely did not know that they were the 1st country to officially embrace Christianity way back in 301. Scanning the writings and unfortunately very little has changed over the millenia. Many of the place names that used to be within the Ottoman empire but in other countries now, are in the news today as we live and speak. Atrocities and beheadings and everything. Nothing has changed except the instant world media feeds.

              • Yes, nothing has really changed in the human world, we are self destructive, greedy and piss poor managers of our resources. Mankind is determined to be extinct, by it’s own hand.

          • I can honestly say that nothing can be done. The cat is out of the bag. Libya is a mess, hopefully the Egyptians will deal with it. Be nice if the Italians helped. It used to be their problem.

            Egypt seems ok though they will probably need another sponsor since Obama is in a snit.

            We should force everybody to get the hell out of Syria and let Assad deal with it his way. In the long run I can more or less guarantee a smaller body count.

            Israel will just have to make it clear to Iran what the REAL stakes are.

            Cannot reset Iraq. Not leaving a residual force was a mistake, getting involved/staying after the ouster of Saddam was a bigger mistake. Bush-Cheny-Rumsfeld should be extradited to the Hague where they can share the cell with Milosovich. Jan 21st 2016, Obama-Hillary-Kerry should join them.

            Afghanistan will return to business as usual within days of our withdrawal be it in a year or a century.

            Sorry, there are no possible good outcomes for the people of any of those fever swamps.

            • I agree, for the most part. The ME is on fire and we started it, but don’t have the water to put it out. I can add to those who should be arrested, but you already know who I would suggest. 🙂

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              SK….only to your point 4 on Israel. If Iran actually dares to do what they threaten Israel with “extermination” with everyones belief it will be with a nuclear device if they get one. Not only will the Palestian issue go away (due to them being vaporized also) but they will not have anyone to blame for their problems. Besides would the other Islamic nations stand for th edestruction of the 2nd holiest site in the Moslem world? I think not.

              • Looking at it sanely, you are correct. But who says anyone out there is sane? They are playing a different game of cards without a full deck.

                What’s this 12th Iman crap? The destruction of a mere earthly city, with earthly holy sites is nothing when compared to bringing on Armageddon.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Nothing more than the 2nd coming and apocalypse preached by Christianity, same idea, will it be global, No, will it be limited to the world as they knew it back when the “good” books were written 1500-2000 years ago, Yes.

          • It’s not a brick wall.
            The brick is in your own head.
            You pretend you “must do something”, the concept of just leaving them alone is utterly impossible in your head, even though the fact of “you doing something” is the root case of the problem.

            You manifest what you fear.

    • His foreign policy is simple. Help radical Muslims and stab U.S. allies in the back. What’s not to love?? (yes, sarcasm).

      I will be happy when we pull out of everywhere we have been meddling. Put the troops on our southern border, cut off all foreign aid to other countries, and start taking care of our country and our people.

  21. The NFL schedule is out! Exiting time for those of us who enjoy the sport. As a Dolphins fan, I have hope. Thanks to the Lions, we got a force on defense, which was already good 🙂 I do root for the Packers and the Lions, but I will always be happy if the Lions finally get to the big game. Basically, if the Dolphins don’t do it, I go for teams who have never done it. I was happy for the Seahawks when they won it 🙂 Next up, the draft! Good luck your favorite team!

    • I love football! I’m a Colts fan. And back before we stole the Colts in the middle of the night, I was a Bears fan. I used to work with a guy that was a big Dolphins fan back when they were in the same division. We would always make a bet when our teams would play each other. We didn’t bet money, though. We would bet humiliation. If the Colts won, he would have to wear a Colts hat the next day. And any time someone would mention anything about football he would have to reply that the Colts were the greatest team ever. And, of course, I would have to do the same if the Dolphins won. We had a lot of fun with it. 🙂

      Maybe the Phins can take the division this year?? I’d like to see them at least beat the Pats a time or two.

      • I remember the old days and Bert Jones! I was very young when Shula left the Colts to coach Miami, which made Miami a great franchise. I remember the Colts moving to Indy and all that stuff too. I grew up in Browns/Steelers country, not nay Colts/Jets/Pats fans around here. My best friend in High School was a Bills fan and we used to watch the games together. Those were good days, good days indeed 🙂

        Now, I’m big into fantasy football and last year it became profitable 🙂 Been running two leagues with the same guys forever. Fun stuff. Better than politics for sure 😀

  22. Interesting charts:

    Ignore the title and just view the charts and make up your own mind.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      As an example in ’71 time frame I was making around $12,000/year. Working full time and college full time. It made long days. When I “retired” a few years ago, my income was 7.5X more. Roughly the same work in QC improvement of business process. My buying power was roughly the same. As my brother continually says “it’s an illusion of wealth” over the past 4 decades. My Father said the last year that he actually had growth of income and actual an increase of buying power was 1969ish. After that it was just maintain status quo regardless of how much more money he made.

  23. We could probably figure this out by listing the players and what each one has as their Master plan, or wish list. Then we could barter out a solution. I’ll give you one ceasefire for a safe flotilla. Example:

    Iran: wants this to happen
    Russia : wants this to happen
    Isis:wants this to happen
    Israel: wants this to happen
    USA: wants this to happen
    etc, etc

    or not, lol. GO!

    • If your saying that we all want peace, I agree. If your saying that our governments all want peace, I say bullshit. See the difference?

      • I know what you’re saying but that’s not a plan of action. It’s a big complicated mess that needs to be sorted out. Not one that can be addressed in theory. There needs to be a serious worldwide summit , with an agreed upon goals and action plan to get it straight.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Anita…wasn’t that the purpose of the UN to have a forum to resolve disputes, peacefully. Lofty idea and well meaning, but as the Colonel will attest they’d go in as peacekeepers and then are ordered to step aside. All the soldiers do is then go in and dig the graves. Ruwanda a very large example and the Balkans, Syria to name a couple more.

          • Yeah, the UN hasn’t worked out as a peacekeeping force, diplomatically or militarily. That’s why we need a different approach.

            • Anita

              I am afraid a new approach is not possible at this time. When it happens I think it will be after many of the existing power players are dead and the global maps have been remade once again.

              If the USA loses power status and other regions grow, there will be a time when these new alignments will be willing to sit down and bang out some new approaches to solving the isolated renegades In the world.

              But I do not see the world players willing to step up to do REAL damage to larger countries which could cause global war or economic hazard.

              I do hope I am wrong. And maybe it will happen sooner if the right leaders suddenly appear. But right now, all I see are more of the same.

        • Anita, In some ways I agree with JAC, in some not so much. There are a lot of players on the world stage that are mostly ignored because they are not out in the open. The military industrial complex (which we were duly warned about) is still a major player in world affairs. They are not just Americans, that’s what needs to be understood. War is very profitable to them. They fund both sides of the wars and make huge profits.

          Look at how we got militarily involved in the ME to begin with. How much of that was based on LIES? Remember the Kuwaiti woman pleading about babies being thrown from incubators and left to die? In front of Congress and the MSM played it over and over. Except she was later proven to be a relative of a Kuwaiti big shot and the whole thing was admitted to be a lie. So let’s keep this short. Lies got us in there, 3 times, 3 wars, that cost a boatload of money (benefitted from this?).

          Obama pulled us out of Iraq. Good, he did one thing I agree with. Bad, he armed and financed ISIS. He started the mess in Syria, Egypt, Libya, and Ukraine. 4 dead people in Libya, what difference does it make now? That was said because it don’t matter how many people die in the eyes of the elite. Many of them think we’re over populated anyway. JAC says look at the big picture. He should start by seeing the big problem first.

        • Nonsense.
          You pretend men in centralized control are able to fix a complex situation that they cannot understand.

          That is the problem with the lay men (women’s) mind. The pretence of knowledge, believing in centralized power, and undermining their own lives and freedom.

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            I have to agree with BF’s comment. The more people feel that one size fits all the bigger the probability of offending and alienating larger groups for people. Then the only way for the “government” to have its way is for do violence against those that object. It’s easier than satisfying the demands of the disenfranchised by negotiating, and letting them have their individual freedom.

            One just has to look at the rank amateurs put in very high positions of power to understand this.

            • Then the only way for the “government” to have its way is for do violence against those that object.

              You mean like what’s going on, on many fronts, today, by the Feds. I can give lots of examples. We are already there, which was the purpose of the article at the top.

    • Anita

      How odd that I think I can answer your questions pretty well for all those countries but one.

      I have no strong feel for what the hell it is the USA wants at his point in time. Other than that segment that wants us to become the new European model, Socialist Republic.

  24. Some high ranking Army person need slapped and fired, then slapped again.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Actually I think it’s a great tactic….How better to defeat the enemy but have them bent over laughing so hard when confronted by a company of cross dressing soldiers. You’d win without firing a shot.

  25. Want to bet who’s going to clam up about their mental health when the go to the VA? Anybody who knows about the questions they ask can understand this. Even the simplest question (do you sleep all night long normally), if answered wrong, can lead to problems. This is disgraceful.

  26. More Government theft going to SCOTUS.

    I have no words for this kind of BS.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Khomeni in 1979 was very explict in his plans for Iran and their future expansion in the Middle East. It has been protracted over time but all in all the plan has been going forward being aided and abetted by our government. Either unwittingly or by design. Some has been absolutely by design 1) the 1979-81 embassy takeover and hostage crisis and 2) the Iran Contra arms deals.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        All the caliphate and 12th Imam stuff is a lot of strange stuff. Maybe Black Flsg could jump in and give us his opinion on yhst matter, beyond that, I do not see Iran as a threat.

  27. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Lets start with food production. The government control laws are legacies from the 30’s and the great depression. I seriously doubt if many farmers really had access and real time knowledge of the needs to the world markets at that time, most production was consummed locally, unlike today. One of the purported reasons for the laws put in place was to maintain price stability, or in other words maximum profit to the producer more consistantly over time. Or one of the explicit reasons of the NRA in the 30’s was to eliminate compitition which kept prices down or fluctuating as demand or weather dictated.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      It looks like from a headline report on my news that the Justices on both sides of the political spectrum are very sceptical of the governments seizure of the crops after they were grown. The case is about confiscation of property without compensation. The committee arbitrarily sets an amount that can be retained. They TAKE the rest and then give it away, or sell to other countries. They take out their operating costs and then return, if any money to the farmers. Not in any way like in D13’s case, that they are paid to NOT grow alfalfa, even though they had no intention of growing any anyway.

      I’ll bet the case is resolved in the raisin producers favor and any and all activities like this besides raisins, there has to be more, will disappear.

      • I hope your right. The theft must be exposed and ended. I’m sure that certain activism would be effective. That activism may also cause some problems. They don’t like to be exposed.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          T-Ray’s been absent for awhile…..did he dehydrate with his orchards?

          • I’m here. Been trying to dig out from under a 40′ snowdrift but then I woke up. Spring is always busy. Had to clean up lots of down limbs and burn brush before fire season. I still have a couple of dead oak trees to take down and several apple trees that did not survive. Lots of grass and weeds to mow before it’s too dry to mow. Also have to pull maintenance on cars and replace the starter in my 44 year old Opel GT. My wife is taking more time as well plus we have been very busy at work. So have not had a lot of time to contribute but have followed most of the arguments here.

            For kicks I have been binge watching House of Cards. What a hoot and so depressing.

            It is too early to get serious about the clowns running for president. It will be good theater for the next year or so to watch the clowns and the MSM. My brother has been actively involved in the process in Iowa so I will watch what he does and feed him info from time to time.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              Watching the US version or the original UK version of “House of Cards”? If the UK version is available it is excellent and I recommend watching it also.

              If you read my posts about the water rates in CA…I was absolutely shocked on how inexpensive a unit of water is there, especially when it is getting so scarce.

              • I’m paying <$2/1000gal but I am on a small farm rate so it is less than the normal domestic rate. Overall I pay about $60/mo much of that a flat fee. The people on domestic rates pay much more and have much higher bills if they do a lot of irrigating. It is not unusual for some domestic users to have $250/mo bill. So far this spring I have not irrigated anything. I will probable start in about 2 wks unless we get significant rain that they are forecasting for Saturday. If that happens I will hold of for at least 3 wks longer. I do not irrigate my lawn, it browns out saving me the need to mow it.

      • IF I said alfalfa, I am sorry..we do grow alfalfa for feed…we are paid not to grow corn….and the amount we are paid increases every three years.

        • We donate the amount to charities……

          • And I might add, we CANNOT give it back to the government. They will not take it.

            • You have mentioned this often. I have no issues with you taking the money. I do have issues with the government forcing it on people. To me, it proves the Feds don’t care about our fiat and will spend it as they wish, until it becomes useless. They can print (or send digits on a computer) as they wish. This will not end well for the people.

        • dale A Albrecht says:

          I may have been mistaken but the point is still valid…..I hoped that people had remembered that your family donates the money given the govmt refused to take the money back,

          You are not the only story of farmers and ranchers who keep saying, but we weren’t growing it anyway or wanting to.

        • With the demand for corn for fuel and its current price, why is the government paying people not to grow it? It has been several decades since I lived in the Midwest but when I did most of the farmers just wanted government to get out of the commodities business. Government’s role should be limited to using the best farming practices and preserving soil fertility for future generations.

          • Just A Citizen says:


            How things have changed. No politician, including Republicans, can win in Iowa if they do not support the Ethanol subsidies.

  28. From BF:

    “ISIS purposely has been vicious so to provoke the Western reaction. ISIS is winning and will win this fight. They will get what they want; Western bankruptcy and the exit of the West out of the region.”

    Kind of like the little guy in the corner of the bar who, after the bully leaves and the door has shut, jumps up and loudly proclaims; “That’s right, and don’t come back”.

    I have never read any claim by ISIS that their goal was to cause US bankruptcy or to force the US from the region. Their stated goal was to establish a new Caliphate. In fact, their barbarity towards Americans only occurred after we decided to attack them in hopes of saving some natives stuck on a mountain.

    Now Al Qaida is a different story. Bin Laden was quite clear about his view that he could get us to bankrupt ourselves trying to achieve perfect security.

    • I laugh about the story about how the Iraqi army ran, despite outnumbering ISIS by huge numbers, which led to ISIS getting US equipment and vehicles. And people believe this BS!

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Are you claiming this was not true?

        So where did the larger US material come from, in your opinion?

        Seems to me people would have noticed armored vehicles being off loaded from ships or dropped from planes.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          JAC…This is without proof of any sort, just supposition. I believe that the majority of ISIS is Sunni as they claim, The Sunni’s were the major force in the campaign against the US occupation of Irag until Petreus came up with a successful stragegy and we also forced the “majority” Shia to include them in decisions of the government. We left and it came completely apart. The Shia lead government went after the Sunni. I believe the arms and trained troops are those Sunni’s that just left and took their military arms, what ever they were with them. They’re trained and armed by extention from us. Those that stuck with the Shia and the Iraqi government are fair game in ISIS’s mind.

          Does that make sense?

          • Even more alarmingly, other images show US-made humvees and other armored vehicles and equipment seized by ISIS – with evidence emerging that at least some of it has already been sent to Syria – where ISIS is involved in a three-pronged war against other rebels,

            Here’s but one story of how one way ISIS got US equipment.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Yes, and that is the story of equipment being abandoned by the Iraq forces, captured by ISIS and then ISIS sends that equipment to their forces in Syria.

              This is the very “method” of acquisition you declared as bs. earlier. So is this theory bs or not?

              • They already had US equipment during the attack. This was just in addition. I do question the whole narrative that the Iraqi’s turned and ran from ISIS, leaving the equipment to be had. Knowing they were coming, one would think they would load up on soldiers and use the equipment themselves in defense of the City. But, we are to believe they are cowards I guess, so goes the “official story”.


          These are but a few of the quite numerous reports of such activity. JAC, maybe you should break away from HuffPo and get back to reality 😀 ROFLMAO! 🙂

          • Just A Citizen says:


            Another good example supporting my argument. Note, there is no actual proof of the accusations. There is a picture of a downed helicopter and then “claims” about what it contained and the “purpose” of its mission. Where are the pilots?

            As I said, there may be some truth in the stories, but the conclusions are not supported by the evidence. And just because this is in “alternative” media doesn’t make it any more true.

            Two things for you to consider as you investigate these various stories.

            1. The “popular” forces in Iraq are the “MILITIA”. Many of which are supported by Iran, not the Iraq Govt. Any chance there might be some propaganda involved there?

            2. There are many factions within Iraq and the Iraqi Govt. Some have their own objectives and they have a record of distorting truth, including accusations against the USA, to reach their goals. Not saying they are lying, just urging caution in accepting what they say at face value.

            3. The desire for bases in Iraq were abandoned by Obama. So why would Obama stir up a conflict to convince the Iraqi Govt to allow US bases in Iraq? There is a disconnect here. Either in the accusation or in our own policy. Which I have admitted is as clear as mud.

    • All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.
      This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat

      The biggest proponent of an American invasion is the Islamic State itself. The provocative videos, in which a black-hooded executioner addresses President Obama by name, are clearly made to draw America into the fight. An invasion would be a huge propaganda victory for jihadists worldwide: irrespective of whether they have given baya’a to the caliph, they all believe that the United States wants to embark on a modern-day Crusade and kill Muslims. Yet another invasion and occupation would confirm that suspicion, and bolster recruitment. Add the incompetence of our previous efforts as occupiers, and we have reason for reluctance. The rise of ISIS, after all, happened only because our previous occupation created space for Zarqawi and his followers. Who knows the consequences of another botched job?

      Yes, it is true that ISIS is NOT Al Qaida. The former has a State, which means territory, which means it has something physical it has attached itself to that can be taken, hence, defeated – whereas Al Qaida specifically avoided such an attachment. To take France, you capture Paris. But Al Qaida had no “Paris” to take, though ISIS might have such a territory.

      However, the over-arching strategy of engagement and exhaustion is still at the roots. As long as the American hegemony exists in the region, these forces will continue to goad the West into spending its resources in defending this hegemony until the West’s hegemony is removed, either willingly or due to economic necessity.

  29. Just A Citizen says:


    Re; ISIS and the CIA.

    It seems that once again you make claims that are not supported by the information. You claim that the CIA CREATED ISIS and funded it. It seems you want to make it look like ISIS is puppet run by the CIA.

    That is not what the CIA reported. They, and others, admitted that “individuals” were trained by the US in order to facilitate the rebel fight against Assad. Some of these trainees turned out to be very bad guys, and some became ISIS leaders. This was AFTER THE FACT. However, there were others trained in those programs who did not align with ISIS.

    There have also been reports of providing weapons to “rebel groups”, not to ISIS in particular. In fact the consensus was that the weapons AND MONEY, was confiscated by ISIS as it emerged from the many groups opposing Assad. One reason Rand Paul opposed giving weapons to the rebels.

    I could be wrong but it appears you have accepted the Alex Jones arguments that the USA creates these groups for the purpose of undermining US goals and objectives, in order to keep up the reason for fighting more wars. Or something.

    This is like other things I have criticized from sites like Alex Jones’. They take pieces of information which are true, or relatively so, and then weave a story driven by their own viewpoint. Which often is not reality but distortions.

    Another recent example was the Oath Keeper story on the Grants Pass mining district. They put forth only pieces of the story but then made rash claims. You simply accepted them without key information. Like WHY were the feds taking action against the miners.

    Now you also called bs on my claims about the outcome of Mr. Obama’s actions. So let me pose this question.

    What have all his “actions” had in common? Actions means military intervention, covert, diplomatic, etc. etc..

    • I can understand why your thinking about Alex Jones, except I try not to link him unless it has video that supports the article (like cops being bad boys). One of my faults I guess is that I post lots of links on lots of different subjects to try and get some conversations going, even if I’m not part of the chat. By posting lots of links, not all are read and sometimes people are just busy and miss a few days of postings. I’m sure that you, like I would do, just skim through stuff when getting back from such a vacation 🙂

      The issue of the US still supporting ISIS, I made a clear post recently about how the USAF said they made mistakes and dropped thing in the wrong place. This came after the President of Iraq claimed that this was happening. I believe it was a link from RT (Russian Times). What I also said is that the USAF don’t make mistakes like that multiple times as the POTOI claimed. They followed their orders and dropped the equipment where they were told. Military men and women are professionals and take deep pride in their work. Do they make mistakes? Sure. Do they make the same mistake multiple times? NOT LIKELY!

      As I post numerous links on numerous subjects, my claims are all backed up by legitimate news sources, not Prison Planet. I wouldn’t make such claims and use PP as a source, I’m simply not as stupid as you apparently think I am. My suggestion is that you do a search and research the subject, or read my links from past posts.

      As far as Obama, I was pissed when we bombed Libya, remember? I still am and think it’s criminal. Obama is just more “W” in different colored skin and the US is causing chaos around the world, which is rather normal. Ukraine is another issue that is quite proven to be US actions that put in their puppets. I’ve put up videos and audio proving so. Obama is a dick, just like Bush was a dick. Both Bush’s got us in wars we shouldn’t have been in. Had Bush1 told Hussain to not invade Kuwait, he wouldn’t have. Remember the Kuwaiti lady crying about baby’s being thrown on the cold floor to die, which was later proven to be a LIE! REMEMBER?

      I’ll add more shortly.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        I was not saying you cited Alex Jones, I was saying that the method you use to draw conclusions is essentially the same.

        Your sources may all be valid but they don’t provide a full picture leading to an accurate cause then effect.

        So you take a report on CIA training camps, another report on some students of that camp turning into ISIS leaders and you conclude “The CIA created ISIS”. The conclusion is not logically connected to the supposed evidence. The conclusion has a purpose, to create the belief that ISIS is a USA puppet, or was.

        Your Ukraine comment is another good example. Your conclusion is that ” Ukraine is another issue that is quite proven to be US actions that put in their puppets.”

        “Us actions put in their puppets”. Which is declaring that the USA toppled the old govt and installed a new one.

        Yet that was not what the various reports indicated. What they stated was that the US was meeting with the opposition. Something that we, as well as other countries, have done before when it looks like a change in Govt is about to happen. Meeting with and discussing areas of possible future cooperation is not the same as taking out the existing Govt and installing a new one.

        Again your accusation doesn’t fit the evidence. This would not be so bad if you presented it as your “opinion”. But you state over and over that these things are “proven to be true”. Well I am sorry but they have not been proven true.

        It may well turn out you are correct. But the current available evidence doesn’t support the claims. And quite often it is not consistent with the way the USA usually manipulates things.

        • , I was saying that the method you use to draw conclusions is essentially the same.

          My conclusions are brought from multiple sources and different ideology. How Jones comes to his conclusions would require me to be a mind reader, which I am not. Where I don’t get my conclusions is from the governments official story or the MSM, unless clearly proven with witness’s etc. Even then, sometimes I question it. Remember the woman from Kuwait? Do Ya? You know, the one that lied about the babies thrown to the floor in Kuwait?

          • What about those WMD’s in Iraq? BWAHAHAHAHA!

          • Just A Citizen says:


            I do not remember any woman from Kuwait. Never saw any story about babies being thrown to the floor.

            Now ask yourself why it matters if the story were false. The basic truth was that Iraq invaded Kuwait.

            So the only real question was whether others should act to get Iraq out of Kuwait, if they would act, and if the USA properly had a role in that action.

            It matters not to me how many bs stories are involved in the media hype or surrounding the broader story. But that is me. I recognize that the hype and propaganda is helpful to gain broader public support for US involvement. Even if such involvement is justified by broader issues at the time.

            ISIS’ invasion of Iraq is a current example. The issue is the invasion and taking of sovereign territory. The atrocities should not matter as to whether others should act to help Iraq halt the invasion. The atrocities, however, are used to remove doubt from the general public.

            Why? Because the general public is not standing on a firm foundation of moral and ethical principles. They are thus in conflict and the propaganda is used to overcome the “contradictions” they are feeling.

            • On the Kuwait issue, why wouldn’t the merits of the invasion of Kuwait be enough to merit action? Instead, the played some stupid game and LIED. I don’t think you like being lied to and frankly I’m tired of it. Between the MSM and our seriously corrupt federal government it never ends. This should jog your memory.

              Although that’s just one example, the lies that led up to the invasion of Iraq, why on earth did we bomb Libya?, and all the video and audio of US involvement in the overthrow of the Duly elected Ukraine government. I know you have little or no knowledge of most of this, nor would you believe any of it because it doesn’t fit the “official government story”. It’s no fun living like this:

              • Just A Citizen says:


                ” I know you have little or no knowledge of most of this, ” You know NOTHING of the sort.

              • Much like you claim to know how I come to my conclusions, you KNOW NOTHING 😀

              • Just A Citizen says:


                My comments were to your conclusions posted here and tied to the stories you post here.

                It is a simple matter of fact. The evidence quite often does not support the conclusions.

                That has nothing to do with what you know. Only about how you construct your case.

                I do find it odd that when I post information on a subject that I know is true, you simply dismiss it by claiming I love the Fed Govt.. What a strange and irrational argument. It doesn’t matter if I provide back up to my information. It is simply dismissed and the “alternative media” or the “patriot source” is taken at face value.

                You have created a situation wherein factual information does not matter if the source is the US Govt, but all other sources that fit your pre-determined views are accepted.

              • aka confirmation bias. Mathius hit me with that enough times. Or anecdotal evidence.

              • JAC, I think we just begin at different places when it comes to events. Let me explain. Event occurs, story comes out and about a week later there is an “official story” that is now the accepted version. This is your starting and ending point. If there is nothing “official” that questions the “official version,” that’s the end for you. AS for me, there is an event and within a week there is numerous stories throughout and within a week there is still more coming out and the only “official story” is the one the government claims (your accepted version). You have ended your investigation while mine continues. My accepted story has many questions yet answered and the investigation will continue until all the questions are answered, and until those questions are answered, there is NO “official story”.

                I still, to this day, question why Building 7 collapsed straight down. I still, wonder why there is no video or pictures of around 600 kids that should have been in Sandy Hook on that supposed fateful day. Did you see that many kids being evacuated? Did you even see anything resembling a full elementary school being evacuated? NO, you didn’t, because it never occurred. At most, you can claim maybe 25 kids. But you still accept the “official story” despite the holes you can fly a 747 through.

                We are simply different. Your really smart and I don’t fall for bullshit when I see bullshit.

    • Oh, please notice that I don’t post about things like Nibiru, Planet X, aliens or things like that. I don’t even understand the first 2, LOL. Aliens are a cool and scary idea. Not sure how people would handle an alien life form that looks like a “Grey”. I think back to the Mars Invades movie with Jack Nicholson and MJ Fox. Classic movie there 🙂

    • And you believe the CIA will report the truth?

      • I’m guessing this was a question to JAC. Let me help, YES! He’d believe Hillary if were the “official story”. BWAHAHAHA 🙂

        • Yes, it was a question to JAC. Sometimes my posts do not go where they should. And sometimes they don’t show up at all. I don’t know if it’s because I don’t log in with an account or what.

          Anyway, I do get a kick out reading the discussions between the two of you. I get a lot of chuckles out of them. 🙂

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Sometimes they will and others not. It depends on what suits them.

        I did not cite any CIA report. Others did that, and then they used the report to jump to broader conclusions not supported by the report. And without any other evidence.

        Many web sites reporting on these things simply run with a single source and after a few weeks it looks like there are multiple confirmations. When in fact everyone is using the same base information.

        Ironically, this is how the Global Warming “Consensus” was developed among scientists. Of course others concurred, because all they had to use for their own evaluations was the original information developed by the pro AGW group.

        And to be clear, I am not claiming that any of these accusations/conclusions are wrong in the end. I am arguing that the information provided in the public arena does not support the conclusions and accusations being thrown around.

        Other examples are the Cliven Bundy case in Nevada and now this mining district story from Oregon. The true answers are more complicated than is presented and those making the first accusations do not include the entire story. Frankly, to some people the whole story does not matter. They have reached their conclusion about Govt. in general and will tag the same level on every action taken by Govt. They look for pieces to rationalize a conclusion reached in advance of the evidence.

  30. Just A Citizen says:

    I forgot to bring this up the other day when we were discussing Candidates for POTUS.

    One has to wonder why so many also rans are going to get in the race.

    I recall that there is a threshold when running for POTUS, even in primaries, where if the threshold for support is met the candidates get federal funds and get to keep all the money they raise.

    Or maybe they can keep the money but the threshold is federal funds, don’t recall the specifics but I do remember thinking how people could make money by running. Not to mention the TV and talk radio gigs they might land. Or maybe a new book deal!

    • I’m positive it’s all about money and power. The next President will be Obama2, even if he/she is Republican. Just more status quo! If we have an election. Damn if I didn’t get bit by a spider! Man that is annoying. Like a mesquito bite on some major steroids 🙂

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Just to be clear, I am not talking about money and power tied to POTUS.

        I am talking about the ability of candidates to make money just by running. Knowing they don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination.

  31. dale A Albrecht says:

    I just love the press and the editing…..Headline photo about the ships deploying to the Gulf of Aden…The ship shown is a Knox Class Frigate 1086 named the USS Brewton. It served from 1972-1992. It was decommissioned in ’93 and leased to Taiwan. Given officially in ’99 and the current name is Fen Yang FF934

    Does anyone know of Raymond McGovern besides wiki pap stuff?

  32. This is different. Not something I’ve read before, but it’s entertaining in a way to keep the thinker thinking 🙂

    No, I don’t necessarily believe it, but worth the time to read.

  33. Anybody want to bet that Repulicrats confirm Loretta Lynch soon? Watch as they prove their all on the same side 😉

  34. Thought for the day: If the USA were not on the map, the world would be just as messed up.

    • So true! I’m waiting on some of this global warming these Liberal’s are always whining about, woke up to white stuff on the ground again 😦

      • I’m surprised you agree. Then we must not be as bad as you portray.

        • We as a people are GREAT! I truly love this country and what it stands for. It ends when it comes to the actions of our government. I don’t believe they are really acting as a majority of the people would want them to, which is supported by the very low ratings Congress gets.

        • That’s your consistent problem, Anita.
          You muddle up “we” as the government to be the same as a person and “you” to be the same as your government.

          You cannot separate the two in your mind.

          Hence, “you” rage against those that show the utter evil of government because in your head this is an attack on you. You support government evil because if you didn’t, you would be not supporting “you”.

          And evil grows.

          • I understand what you’re saying but it’s only partially true. Your conclusion doesn’t necessarily follow my post. I’m saying if we (USA) weren’t here, the world would still be messed up. Soooo…how is it that we’re the worse bad guy, when there is plenty of blame to go around? I don’t ever see you guys, you and G for example, hating on the other bad guys…it’s always us…and yeah, that ticks me off.

            • Just A Citizen says:


              Maybe it is because they both suffer the same malady he accused you of suffering? Maybe????? 😉

              • I was thinking that as I was typing but couldn’t figure out how to word it. Figured he’s blast me for it anyway. 😉

  35. Another alphabet agency in serious need of being shut down:

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      From yesterday’s readings of the case, it will be a shock if the court DOES NOT find for the Horne’s and overturn this absurd law.

      The part that scares me though in general about the law and courts in general is their apparent laziness. I know the legal system has morphed into a system of precedents, therefore any remote precedent lets everyone off from making a decision that is right and just.

      It was interesting to see Sotomeyer’s question about how is this case any different from a 1929 case about a tax to the oystermen of 10% on the shells. The difference is that the State’s usually maintain the beds and lease. They use the shells to re-establish the beds for the seed oysters and larva to cling to. Here in NC the State wildlife dept handles all that. At all recycling centers there are barrels for US the people to dump our used shells. They then get picked up by the State and put into the beds. The cases are so different

  36. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Well off to a hot LZ. Senior’s discount day at the super market.

  37. It’s amazing how things really haven’t changed much when it comes to environmentalist’s and their insane predictions:

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I would like to remind you that two of those predictions did not come true because the Govt. passed laws forcing reductions in Air and Water pollution.

      At that time it is not clear that these reductions would have occurred without Govt. action. Why? Because the Govt. had constructed protections for the polluters via Corporate status and allowing delays in court actions taken against the polluting companies. And of course, businesses had over a hundred years of established behavior polluting for the sake of revenue. Many frankly did not give a damn about their down stream impacts to other humans.

      We will never know for sure if the pollution would have been reduced to current levels absent Govt. action. I suspect not, as the break even point would have been reached when our eyes no longer burned and we didn’t need oxygen to walk the streets.

      • My favorite one was the ice age one. I remember the 70’s and all the hoopla over the coming ice age. They have figured out that neither heating or cooling will work, because both have failed miserably. Now, no matter what the weather does, it’s that evil climate change monster hiding in the closet. 🙂

  38. Very interesting…..with the drone strike that “supposedly” killed the doctor hostage, a new phrase has been coined…….” Near certainty”…….

  39. Ok…everybody needs to sit down, grab your favorite drink, take a sip before you read this……..Not feeling on top ‘o the world today….I am taking it kinda easy…flipped on the magic picture box, by passed a John Wayne hero movie and tuned into the news for the White House Press briefing on the drone strike that killed three Americans… of them the doctor that has been held hostage…..I believe that an Italian aid worker was also killed.

    I am going to have to…..are you ready for this….take up for the White House Briefer Josh Ernest and I am going to get on the reporting and questions of Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC. Now, first of all, you get what you ask for….there was not ONE reporter in that room that should have been asking military style questions because not a single one of them is qualified to ask those questions…the questions were stupid….absolutely stupid.
    AND, this is aimed at FOX NEWS…….quit the mis interpretations that INNOCENT AMERICANS and an INNOCENT AID WORKER were killed like it was a guarantee that hostages are not going to be killed and that it was negligence that they were targeted and killed. Bull shit.

    The briefer, Josh Ernest, said at least 20 times that there was over 200 hours of observations of the target and that it was a “near certainty” that the target was legitimate and a known safe house for Al queda leaders. HIgh priority. High confidence.

    Ok…so they hit the target and it kills two hostages, and two American Al Queda leaders among others. Well, the reporters are questioning the legality of killing American citizens that are known traitors and Al Queda operatives. And, they are questioning the killing of hostages that were in the house in a known war zone. Yes, the hostages have no control over where they are and it is well known that hostages are used as canon fodder. It is too bad that they were there.

    Ok…so…let’s reverse the field here and use the term “innocent American”. Here is the question…… if an aid worker, or doctor, or anyone who chooses to go into a known combat area….afforded a different nomencalture simply because they are not armed combatants? Shoould they “expect” different treatment by either side of the combatants simply because they are not armed? And, lastly, should the Unites St

    • Sorry…hit wrong button…to finish…..Should the United States then be “expected” to enter negotiations on prisoners that are civilians projecting themselves into a known combat area and then suffer the consequence of being in a combat area?

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Sir…I hope you feel better soon. Watching the news is NOT a get well remedy that I’d recommend.

        The government should NOT enter into any negotiations or deals to gain release from anyone who “project” themselves into a known dangerous situation. Look at the difference of journalist deaths during previous conflicts even through Vietnam. Very small. They kept to our side of the line. The Gulf war changed all that. They feel, including aid groups feel they should be able to go with impunity, over to the other guys side much less be running in between shooting combatants….Their risk, and I do think most of them feel that way. However, the politicals, and or the families use the situation for whatever their agenda is.

        That said…anyone who was placed in harms way by the government and are captured for what ever reason (NOT Bergdahl) the forces should if the risk and makes military sense, is reasonable a attempt should be made to rescue them. There is precedence…during WWII an attempt to liberate a POW camp in the Philipinnes. Good reason there due to ample evidence of the harsh to lethal treatment of POW’s by the Japanese. Vietnam, the attempt into Hanoi but the POW’s had been moved just prior to the raid. The Embassy in Tehran…should never have been reestablished by Carter after the Shah left. The Marines had orders to NOT defend the embassy if attacked. Had the soldiers that attempted the rescue NOT taken the filters off the turbines, they would not have fallen below the level of helicopters and troops required to complete the attempt. Shit happened after the mission was aborted killing, what 8 troops when a helicopter crashed into a C130 upon takeoff. I worked with one of the officers who was involved in all the practice runs into the desert. He said at no time did the iranians ever detect us.

        Granted the idea of combat is to defeat the enemy at the least cost to “our” side. In the past at least even though at a distance, pilots and crews still flew the mission and were still at risk of being lost. Submarines got in close. Just as two examples. But the way thing are today and the complete detactment by drones and the video game style that the drivers are in Florida or Nevada. Combat poses no threat to them, so what do they care. I do not know if the “unmanned” bombers are deployed on the TR. They’ve been practicing joint deployments with F-18’s. It’s to detached and I believe will cause 1) a lengthening of the conflict and 2) it really pushing the morality of civilization to its limit. I believe most soldiers really have to cross lines that they have to somehow justify morally. All religions teach and instill some moral foundation. The more we divorce ourselves ie with the progressive and socialist agenda from that moral foundation the senseless atrocities will continue and just get worse. The worst century was the last and most of all mass atrocities were done by those that deny religion and progressive or socialism is their mantra. All the National Socialist (nazi) and socialist revolutions Russian and Chinese Cambodian (pol pot) Go back to the French Revolution as the model.

        • Just saw this answer… are correct. Watching the news was not a conduit to getting better….I just finally went to the movie channel and started watching old westerns…..felt better.

          I let myself get mad at the TV when I saw some 27 year old female reporter analyzing a military operation when the only combat she has seen is in the back seat of a car. I will definitely agree with you on the imbedded reporters. I did not let them go with me in Desert Storm in Kuwait…I did not want them underfoot nor did I want any of my soldiers hurt trying to protect them. Non combatants have NO business on the front lines. The reporters today are not the Ernie Pyles of long ago.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Let me help you out. Hope your ailment subsides soon.

      NO……….they should not expect special treatment. I’ll go one step further. They should not expect to be rescued.

      They should understand that if they go to such an area and are captured or held hostage that they are as good as dead.

      We of course will try to get them back and others may give their lives in the effort. But they should have no expectations.

      I do have some heartburn over this, but it is not because “innocents” were killed. It is over the increased use of “drones” to do things that should be done by MEN (John Wayne) on the ground.

      • I happen to agree. Once people choose to go to a dangerous place, regardless of the reason, and end up in trouble, tough. They should have stayed home. I also agree with the drone issue. Frankly, I think Obama should be charged with murder over his use of them in numerous countries, as we all know innocent people have been killed.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          You agree but you think Obama should be charged with murder?

          Better fill in the blanks because you sure look like you contradicted yourself.

          • I agree that when people go to a dangerous country, they are on their own. I think drone strikes on foreign soil (or any other kind of bombing) should only be done where there is a legally declared war (please see Constitution for what is A LEGALLY DECLARED WAR).

            • Just A Citizen says:


              The Constitution does not define what is a “legally declared war”. It only states that Congress has the sole authority for declaring war.

              It is hard to argue that a Congressional Act giving POTUS the authority to seek out and destroy al Qaeda and its affiliates, by any means necessary, is not a declaration of war.

        • I will have to argue with both of you on this point. Having had some experience in these type operations, the first problem that we run into is logistics. You must have assets in place in order to have, what would have amounted to, a snatch and grab. Logistical support usually is a 4 to 1 issue….four logistics people to 1 special ops person. ( You know, pilots, door gunners, extra choppers in the event one is shot down or mechanically has a problem. ) You also need a security team for each breach team. Once a team executes a breach, hits, and withdraws, they are typically out of ammo or very low. If it is a snatch and grab, then the security team covers withdrawal and the door gunners and security choppers cover the security withdrawal. Then you would have a flight of jets to lay napalm to cover the scramble ( leaving the scene ). Then, since you do not extract in the same direction you attacked, you must have refueling assets in place on an egress. Also, do not forget that every single successul operation is dependent upon diversion. Do not forget the diversionary assets.

          Now, the protocol for using teams on the ground is that you take out anything that is considered a threat. Since these type operations take place at night, you do not have the time nor the inclination to ascertain combatants from non combatants. The IFF ( Identify Friend/Foe ) in the NVG ( Night Vision Goggles ) only identifies friend or foe….not enemy or civilian… anything designated as foe….dies….and foe is anything that moves that is not designated as friendly. That also includes animals. In these type of operations, you do not try to figure out if there is a weapon…you do not have the time. Also, in that part of the world, a sheep herder with a staff is going to get hosed.

          My point is, after seeing the building that was hit and knowing how deep in territory it was, the size of operation would have been at least the same size as the Bin Laden operation…and probably larger given we have given up so much territory and have less friendly terrotory in which to stage. The good doctor and the Italian probably would have made it…but the civilian population and surrounding area would have suffered a greater casualty count. Not too mention a casualty count for friendly troops, if any.

          I must support, in this instance, the drone strike.

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            Was the drone strike even worth it? you mentioned “political” aspect also. The fall out is worse than just letting it go. What was the real military gain. Maybe minimal at best?

          • Just A Citizen says:


            You mistook my comment for criticism of this particular target. It was a comment about the increasing reliance on drones instead of human assets.

            In this particular case a drone strike was logical as there was supposedly zero intelligence that hostages were present. Thus no reason to go beyond sending the inhabitants to see their maker.

            Of course this will raise the specter of a particular Pirate, howling about those other innocents that might be present. Which is something that must be considered, and I know is considered in such operations. But the question as to whether to accept ANY “collateral” fatalities was decided when Congress and the CIC authorized use of Military Force.

            In my humble opinion, and not excusing actual war crimes, once a decision is made to wage WAR the decision was made to accept the death of innocent people. It has been centuries since the death linked to WAR was limited to military personnel. And that only existed for a short time.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              Following this chain of thought…this was by no means a rescue attempt. All reasonable methods were used to try and determine who or what was there. The conclusion was the “target” The strike was called in, regardless of how it was done. If the survellience showed captives, there would have been no strike by any means, nor a rescue attempt. The risks far out-weighed any possible gain. Either politically or militarily. As D13 aptly put it, the time and the assets and logistics required to do an action, like this are huge and not taken lightly.

              With all the flack going on, the key take-away for ISIS or al-queda or any other group will snatch at any time these loose cannons running around and surround themselves with them rendering themselves safe and their opponents impotent.

            • Actually, my firend, I really did not take your comment as criticism….I guess I could have after re-reading it several times…but I know your take on all of this and I understand your position. It was an opportune time to explain for others to read, why certain decisions take place. I was and still am upset at the position of the msm calling it a “mistake by the POTUS”…he finally did what was right. He put the decision in the hands of people that should be making the decision and not rely upon the Jimmy Carter Rules of Management.

              When people and pundits start to analyze issues like this and they have never walked in the shoes of having to make these types of decisions……it amazes me the rhetoric as if they are experts.

              @Dale… said ” If the survellience showed captives, there would have been no strike by any means, nor a rescue attempt.” While you are,unfortunately, correct in this because of the atmosphere of politically correct…I think that it is wrong to base attack decisions on “captives”. In this type of war, we are going to have this for the rest of our lives. Hostages are going to be the name of the game. “Innocents” are going to get hurt and killed. It is the way of war. We should try to minimize casualties if possible but you do not let a high value target go because of it. Now, these leaders that were killed..I do not have access to the intel to see how high value they were considered.

              The problem that I see now, is the a factor of “Rules of Engagement”….when we decided that we would have rules….you changed warfare.

  40. Just A Citizen says:

    Analogy of the day.

    Re: US Foreign Policy.

    Mr. Obama, a master of the card game Go Fish, is playing against those in the world who are Masters of Chess.

    • I have to disagree. I don’t understand why people think he is so incompetent. He is the enemy. Never underestimate your enemy. He knows exactly what he is doing. He said he would ‘fundamentally change America” and he has. He and the first wookiee HATE this country and it’s people. The people of this country refuse to admit that we were tricked and manipulated by our own government. Therefore the problem will not be solved because the problem will not be acknowledged. We can’t just ignore the problem and hope it goes away. We also can”t pretend that this traitor is just incompetent.

      • I agree with both of you, but Rick , don’t forget, anything Obama has done can be undone. In the meantime he is JV….all his red lines…Putin writing a letter to the American people…Netanyahu speaking before Congress…he refused to play with the other world leaders in Paris…bet the imams and clerics love him though.

        No internet access for the rest of the day..daughter’s modem is down. See yas tonight maybe.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        My analogy was with respect to his “foreign policy”. By go fish I am saying his actions appear more reactionary than strategic.

        He may well be playing a better game than we know. But that is also the point. We have no idea what the heck his end game is supposed to look like.

        Putin on the other hand has an obvious goal and is moving his pieces accordingly. So is Iran and China.

        As a reminder, I have never claimed Mr. Obama to be stupid. I have said he is not the genius savant the left makes him out to be, but he is not dumb. He is just a lousy leader. That includes leading his own team to accomplish clearly described goals. Which is why the ACA roll out failed and the Stimulus rollout failed, etc,, etc…

        It appears to me that some of the same weaknesses are manifesting with his foreign policy decisions. I also think the appearance of a disjointed policy was partly Mrs. Clinton’s fault. Like him or not, the Sec of State seems much more focused on a consistent “story” since John Kerry took over.

        • JAC

          I agree with your analogy…to a certain extent. I’m just saying that most of what he is doing is on purpose. It all started with his ‘Apologize For America’ tour. He has aligned himself with the enemies of the USA. He has worked against the allies of the USA. Everything he has done is the exact opposite of what someone would do to help the USA.

          You are correct that we don’t know what the end game is supposed to look like. I can’t decide if he is trying to help Russia or Iran the most. Maybe both since they are both enemies of USA.

          I also don’t think he is the mastermind behind all of this. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but I believe he is just part of a larger group that is trying to destroy this country.

          As far as the ACA and Stimulus roll out…..why do it right when he can do it half-ass and screw things up even more?

          And, no I do not like Kerry. I thought he became irrelevant years ago and here he just pops up seemingly out of nowhere. smh

  41. Just A Citizen says:
  42. I see all the bullshit over Lynch is just that, bullshit. They’re all the same in DC. Republicrats should be the new name of the Republicans because they are just like the Democrats, and PROVE it often.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      So once again your accusations and commentary are not supported by the evidence.

      HOW MANY Republicans voted FOR Lynch Gman?? How many?

      Anything less than 100% blows your claim out of the water.

      • Ten republicans not facing 2016 elections crossed over.

        • If the rest weren’t facing election this would have been done on the first week.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            The rest are not facing elections in 2016, so how does that affect your claim?

            The only reason this did not happen on day one was a single Senators filibuster over the Hyde Amendment relative to the bill passed yesterday.

            Now here is where you must give Mr. Obama credit for his sneaky ways. Notice how he went out the past couple days insulting the Republicans for holding up the nomination?

            The majority leader almost certainly informed him a few days ago how the voting was going to unfold. So he jumped out in front of the cameras pounding his chest to make it look like HE may have influenced the R’s with his “strong” words.

            And the loyal leftists are lapping it up.

            Now tell me, since you have had such harsh words for Eric Holder, why would you criticize the few R’s for voting to replace him? At least now he is GONE.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          I think a couple of those are facing election in 2016 but come from more “purple” states. At least I saw some commentary to that affect earlier today.

  43. I’m going to let this thread continue till the morning, at which time I will start a new one. It will likely be a simple one that lacks anything that challenges the “official story”. BWAHAHAHA! 🙂

  44. Dale A Albrecht says:
  45. Dale A Albrecht says:

    I love authors that can clearly write….this is by George Will and it goes along with the post of much of the current discussions

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