The FOX DEN

MOULTRIE DIGITAL GAME CAMERAAs this will be an open mic, as promised I’d like to share some trail cam pictures from the entrance of a fox den.  Like many, pictures of the young in nature are cherished and enjoyed.  What a wonderful view of natures finest!

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A rare look at the lives of the young red fox!

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  1. 😎

    • Gman,

      Thanks for the photos. Don’t get to see many fox around here.
      BTW, I have PLENTY of moles around here I can ship to you if they run out. 🙂

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Funny how that little mole looks big in it’s mouth. It’s an interesting optical illusion, as the kits stand about 8 inches or do high. The camera is quite close and low to the ground, which makes them look bigger. We have ample numbers of moles, you can keep them. 🙂

  2. D13, It seems the chatter I was hearing about was true. Great job by those who stopped the attack!

    • Yeah…it was nothing. This attack happened at the same site where about 3 months ago held a Sharia hate speech…but it was ok for Muslims to have hate speech in a public venue but the criticism this morning is that the attack was deliberately provoked by a free speech and cartoon exhibit where pundits of CNN and MSNBC are saying that it should have never happened….meaning the free speech event.

      Why don’t they just say, Texas was prepared….and the only deaths….were the terrorists.

      • I might add, that this event was the same even that just 60 days ago had another contest in which Jesus was depicted in a cartoon riding a horse with the caption ” and on the 8th day God created Texas. I didn’t see any armed terrorist then…..lol.

        • Unfortunately the problem is that Christians, Jews, Buddhists and most others have become civilized. After ensuring the growth and survival of their religions, they, for the most part, were able to “move on” which includes the turning of the other cheek. The Muhammadan religion has never been able to do that. Probably never can.

          I can remember the outrage over “Piss Christ” and the dung covered portrait of the Virgin Mary at the Brooklyn Museum and I can remember the condemnation of Mayor Guilliani for even trying to use judicial means to stop it. Yet, the double standard not only persists but seems to constantly grow.

          Just last week there was a huge controversy again in the media over the use of the words Crusade and Thug. The fact ‘Crusade’ has become accepted into the lexicon for a thousand years meaning any full court press on anything does not mean or imply what it did a millennium ago. The fact that thug, an abbreviated form of Thugee, insults people from the sub-continent does not seem to register either.

          He who controls the language, controls it all………

          • “Unfortunately the problem is that Christians, Jews, Buddhists and most others have become civilized.”

            What nonsense. Here you sit proclaiming your civilized behavior while you support blasting and bombing and the slaughter of millions of people in far away lands. You show the gross mental disease of many people – self-declaring your own superiority in the face of your actual barbarism.

            “The Muhammadan religion has never been able to do that.”
            Bullshit. The Islamic society was once the leading society on earth, while your ancestors were wallowing in stink, sewage and dirt.

            ” Probably never can.”
            Why not? Your “Christian” ancestors eventually raised themselves out of the slop. Why do you pretend you are somehow “anointed” and others are not?

            • How many ways can I say wrong!

              My religion is not currently actively encouraging the killing of anyone and, I am talking religion not government or politics. Religion wise, we actually seem to be on the receiving end.

              Right! There was one bright and shining moment when the Mohammedan religion shone, not everywhere, but shone. Not anymore. There is the opinion that the exposure of Mohammedanism to other cultures, Persia, Spain, polluted the true faith so, it had to be purified and never go down that road again.

              Still waiting for them to even start coming out of the slop or how about an indication that they can.

              Again, this is about religion, not politics. Mustafa Kemel succeeded divorcing religion and politics but that is an ongoing fight and odds makers would probably give no more than a 60-40 split on whether it will ultimately succeed. Under the regime of the late unlamented Shah, Iran followed that course, under Saddam, Iraq did. Egypt did, succeeded but when the Arab Spring occurred, the vote was with the religionists so oppression had to return. Ditto Syria and Libya. Indonesia, seems to be able to resist the tide. Pakistan is on the verge of chaos.

              Nobody is anointed, the question is whether a society and the religions within can mature to a point where vast majorities of people no longer desire to kill others who may worship a deity in a different way.

              It can be debated but the continuing Hindu Mohammadan clash in India and Pakistan, equally violent on both sides, could be blamed on the violence associated with the expansion of Islam into India, forced conversions and destruction of Hindu temples during the early Middle Ages.

              So your argument rests on whether there can be any alternative to Church/State separation and how it can be achieved.

              • “My religion is not currently actively encouraging the killing of anyone and, I am talking religion not government or politics. Religion wise, we actually seem to be on the receiving end.”

                Because you are blind to your own actions, you fail to see such actions in contradiction to your own belief.

                “it had to be purified and never go down that road again.”
                Your religion suffers the same contradictions and perversions. You are not different.
                Religious belief, no matter what religion, is NOT mature. It is the thinking of children, believing in magical beings and ghosts.

              • “Religious belief, no matter what religion, is NOT mature. It is the thinking of children, believing in magical beings and ghosts.”

                🙂

              • Well, if you are right, no big deal, we will all learn soon enough. If you are wrong, well then, I’ll hoist a few for you from that mystical, magical Valhalla.

                WODEN!

      • Just heard an interview with one of the organizers. Paid for extra security PLUS gave Garland 3K for a heavy police presence. Texas was ready. With the chatter I was hearing, it was likely expected, which certainly aided in saving lives. The MSM are idiots.

        • Epic fail for the “terrorists”. Give credit to the police, the organizers, Texas… Their tactics only work with the unarmed, the unprepared. Had this event been in a liberal city with PC organizers and a PC police that didn’t want to offend anyone with their armed presence it might have been different…

          • I have had no confirmation yet…but it appears that they had AK 47’s with “barrel drums” …they were going to go inside and slaughter….they did not make it. We were proactive and not reactive.

            What I do not understand, and I saw this in Baltimore also, why places are not prepared. You certainly cannot stop the impromptu…but you can stop most things. The Garland issue is not only were they protected by private security, the Garland police had a corridor and a perimeter set….these terrorists went right into the corridor and were blasted with crossfire…the 6 p’s….prior planning prevents piss poor performance.

            • Unfair! They fought back. They were supposed to roll over, play dead, be dead and be the next poster children for limited size magazines.

              Next time the domestic “militants” should pick So Cal or NYC where they could pull off a real massacre.

      • Thought about you immediately when I heard about this….thinking ‘oh boy! Don’t mess with Texas. The Colonel and his boys got this’ 🙂

      • Apparently the bad guys were not very smart. Texas is the last place I’d want to shoot at people. 🙂

        • So much for free speech with the Donald….he criticized the organizer of the event here, saying she seemed to be deliberately taunting Islamic believers by having the contest. He claimed to be a bigger supporter of free speech than she is…

          What an idiot.

          They were having their own event…paid for without any public funding…celebrating free speech in a way they chose….not in front of a mosque or in any way in the faces of Muslims. In what way is this taunting ANYONE?

          If you have to squelch ANY expression of free speech…there is NO FREE SPEECH at all.

          Murf

          • And by the way….I am so proud of the way the situation was handled. Those two men came with the clear intent to enter the venue and kill as many as they could, like the killings in Paris. Have to agree with LOI here…..except for one thing. “Had this event been in a liberal city with PC organizers and a PC police that didn’t want to offend anyone with their armed presence it might have been different…”

            I would change that to say, it WOULD have been different. We would be mourning the loss of God only knows how many innocent people, perhaps searching for the killers who had gotten away, and hearing the MSM whine yet again about gun ownership, etc. ad nauseum.

            Once again, Texas shows the way.

            Murf

            PS…I have just noticed…..NOT ONE DAMN WORD about this from Obama.

            • “it WOULD have been different”

              Completely disagree with this sentiment. It could have been different, yet it could have been the exact same outcome. Not to mention that it could have easily been a different outcome in Texas as well.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                I had asked D13 if there was any chatter of an ISIS attack last week, as I had info that there was. This event would be s target and Texas knew it. Just as a reminder, Muslim’s had an event against free speech in the same building in January.

                I would agree that if this event were held in Jersey or NY, we would be counting dead bodies. Political correctness kills.

              • Buck,

                OK, could have been different. I think it’s still a valid point. On the left coast, LA has an aggressive police force and SWAT. I can see them being pro-active. San Francisco? Beverly Hills? East Coast, NY & Boston are alert, but no telling if & when liberal mayors might give stand-down orders or require them to stage in a parking garage or somewhere out of sight. Denying them any deterrent role.

              • I applaud Texas for how it responded, but the outcome in Texas could just as easily have been different. The outcome anywhere else also could have been different, but it could have been the same.

                Any claim that this would have (or likely would have) resulted in a different outcome if in [insert liberal city here] is complete bullshit unsupported by any facts.

              • “Any claim that this would have (or likely would have) resulted in a different outcome if in [insert liberal city here] is complete bullshit unsupported by any facts.”

                Love ya, Buck, but I stand by my opinion. It is MY OPINION, based on the FACTS of what happened elsewhere versus what happened here. A traffic cop shot both terrorists dead. No fanfare, no hysterics. No bullshit.

                Murf

            • I’m surprised this hasn’t been spun as another senseless shooting of a black man. (By the liberals, of course.)

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Give it time, by tonight MSNBC will have it as another black killed by a cop for no reason, since it’s legal to open carry long guns in Texas.

  3. BTW….cool fox pics.

    • Thanks, I love this time of year. Got lucky finding the den, having seen the mother and father throughout the winter. I set camera one foot high, 5 feet from entrance. They seem to have a regular apartment complex in there, as they are sharing with a groundhog 🙂

  4. What is that kit eating? On my computer it looks like a Texas size scorpion.

  5. 😉

  6. Just A Citizen says:

    Islam prohibits pictures of the prophet. NOT…………….. Once again we see the split in the religion with something as simple as creating pictures. The Irony of the prohibition is lost on those that created it and those that still enforce it.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/living/islam-prophet-images/index.html

    Note: Notice the comments by the Muslim leader explaining the anger in Europe. First you invade and isolate yourself, then you become offended when the natives don’t take to you. There is always a “BUT” when these people are telling us the violence is not justified.

  7. As we were discussing earlier concerning the black community and why it will never get fixed: http://eaglerising.com/18053/democrat-candidate-for-senate-in-maryland-blames-republican-governor-for-balitmores-education-problems/

    Sometimes I wonder if Democrat politicians are as smart as a bag of hammers, because if they are, they sure don’t show it 🙄

    • They will NEVER acknowledge the truth. They will never accept that they once had a history other than what is on display now. Anybody ever hear of the Harlem Renaissance? Dennis Prager was right, “When your beliefs do not match the facts, it is time to change your beliefs.” My question is just how the hell do you do that? Personally, I’d like to grab every denier around the throat and throttle them until they “get it”.

      Funny how it is not OK to deny man made global warming but just fine to deny man made sociological catastrophes even when the evidence is incontrovertible. Like the “hockey stick”, all progress made by the black people on their own in the first 2/3rds of the 20th Century is conveniently ignored in the rush to fix things that were well on their way to being fixed before the meddling started.

  8. Just A Citizen says:

    Let the cat fight begin:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/former-deputy-gives-bleak-appraisal-of-cia%e2%80%99s-work-during-arab-spring/ar-BBj6RX9?ocid=HPCDHP

    Note: At the time this “Dep. Director” claims the CIA was advising POTUS that the Arab Spring was a good thing, CIA and other intelligence people were leaking information that the Muslim Brotherhood was behind it and it would end in disaster. Think back to Glenn Beck’s commentary leading up to the “Spring” regarding what was unfolding in the Middle East. Somebody gave him that information.

    Now lets see if this flushes the dissidents from the bushes.

    • Well, he’s right about one thing-you would have to hire new officers, good luck with that, because the ones we have now would undoubtedly quit. We’re not Europe-not gonna ask cops to commit suicide by job.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Trust me the police in Amsterdam are well armed. If the Bobby’s on the street, in the UK, don’t have a weapon on their person it certainly is within reach. I’ve seen plenty of automatic machine guns in hand at round-about’s. Every police officer in Italy I ever saw was armed and had a pretty good arsenal in their trunk’s, including their personal vehicles.

  9. Dale A Albrecht says:

    My two thoughts for the day, that I feel appropriate given the start of odays discussion. I wish I could claim them but unfortunately I can not.

    “The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are the constitutional rights secure.”

    “Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man, present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population.”
    ― Albert Einstein

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I say what I feel needs to be said, if I offend someone, tough titties. While I don’t speak at Buck when talking about left wing idiocy, he may have been offended on many occasions . That’s collateral damage 🙂

      I am sure he can see the idiocy of many that hold similar political beliefs . Then again I’m sure a few think I’m an idiot as well. Life will go on. 🙂

      • I just hope you too can see the idiocy of many that hold similar beliefs to those you espouse…

        • Poor Buck, the unprincipled ignorant one, who wholly unable to espouse any principles, and just his whim thinks those that hold principles are idiots.

          Methinks you be the idiot, sir.

          • Good Grief BF, Do you get some kind of thrill out of being a complete ass!

            • The problem with BF is that he often doesn’t read to grasp the full context.

              Nowhere did I say anyone that “holds principles are idiots.” All I said is exactly what G was saying — many people in general are idiots regardless of their political philosophy. It is not just those on the left.

              • No, Buck, most people are not idiots.
                Most people simply do not care enough to bother to understand the issue.

                You are an “idiot” because you do seem to care, but have no fundamental other then whim as a proposition.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          If you see me as a right winger, which is closer than left winger, I do, when it occurs. Unfortunately, “we have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it” and other incredibly stupid statements more often than not come from the left. Another classic ” won’t Guam flip over” if one side of the island has too many people still stands out, yet he is still in office, along with the other idiot .

          Giving them space to destroy is just an addition and not surprising,

          • “and other incredibly stupid statements more often than not come from the left.”

            Methinks that is your own internal bias shining through. I could point you to a myriad of dumb statements by politicians on the right as well — remember, they are politicians first!

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Yes, I have been consistent with my dislike of all of them. When complete idiots who think islands can flip over ( this is the classic idiot remark) can get reelected this country us doomed

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                I just listened to the exchange between that congressman Hank Johnson and the Admiral. How the officer kept a straight face has to be the greatest example of self control that I’ve ever seen. The wonders of our modern educational system, even back in ancient times.

              • SK, when If you don’t believe in …..then your an idiot statements are the prime reason why it shouldn’t be believed. If the statement had any legitimacy, the name calling would not be needed. Basically, the economy sucks, Man Made global warming is a scam and a lie (double bad ), the one parent black family is a problem, but not THE problem and things are far from better on many fronts than when I was a kid (at the same time some things are quite better). Reality and the Left Wing are mortal enemies 😀

              • G-Man

                when If you don’t believe in …..then your an idiot statements are the prime reason why it shouldn’t be believed.

                Pretty sure Heinlein said, “When everybody ‘knows” something as in “all right thinking people everywhere know” it usually means that no one knows”.

            • While you have a point I think you should delve deeper. I have noticed, and I do try to be fair, that when I investigate some “dumb” thing a right-winger says, it tends to be out of context or heavily edited. The left, on the other hand, just keeps coming up with stuff like, “you have to pass the bill to see what’s in it” or the outright lies Reed told about Romney with all seriousness and a straight face.

              Just this past week I have been deluged with things put out on facebook by my old left wing friends from High School and College. If you deny MAN MADE global warming, you are an idiot with a Republican quote attached. If you point to the broken black family as a cause of rioting, you are are idiot racist Republican, If you don’t think the economy is smoking you are a total jackass. If things are not better than they were you are a moron. Each and every one of these things is accompanied by a snippet of an interview/speech BUT if you google the speech, then it sounds very different.

              Show me a Right Wing equivalent. And, t’aint the only one I can find.

              http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/do-not-stop-sharing-until-every-american-knows-the-incompetence-of-this-white-house-staff/

              • By the way, that’s for Buck, sorry, out of sequence.

              • Why am I not surprised you (not necessarily you personally SK) would bring out the argument that the GOP ‘idiot quotes’ are just taken out of context while the DEM ‘idiot quotes’ are somehow different??

                Take Pelosi’s infamous quote you mentioned — yes it is a bad quote and clearly very inartfully stated, but it too is taken way out of context.

                http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-context-behind-nancy-pelosis-famous-we-have-to-pass-the-bill-quote/

                As for dumb statements by those on the right — have you ever heard Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck open their mouths? Or did you listen to the 2012 republican primary debates? Now, I’m not stating that the left doesn’t have equally dumb statements – just that both sides do and that many of them (on both sides) are taken out of context for political ends.

              • To add – I’m sure your left wing friend says some really stupid things on Facebook, yet so do many of my right wing friends. He’ll look at the stupid things said right here on SUFA from time to time!

              • He he he -Not that I ever expect you to concede defeat 🙂 -there are enough everything is the fault of racism and if not racism climate change stupid quotes by dems. to make you lose by a long shot.

              • That is an insane defense of Pelosi. Then again, it is right up there with the shape shifting that comes out of the WH on a daily basis. JV team, Yemen is a great success, etc. Still waiting for someone to explain why we needed to cover 31 million people with Obamacare and 20 million are still not covered.

                I tend to listen to Rush often. For some strange reason I cannot fathom, people on the left do not get the cutting humor. Rush tends to bug me about 5% of the time because if he catches you wrong, he will accuse you of being a seminar caller or plant. Beck can go over the top at times that I agree and I tend not to listen because of that. O’Reilly is a blowhard who talks over guests he agrees with!

              • I don’t think Right Wing entertainers are required to hold the same level of competence as of those who are elected. But, if that’s the best Buck can find, I’ll just agree with him. 🙂

              • Sigh.

                Fine…right leaning politicians saying stupid crap…

                Have you ever heard Santorum open his mouth?

                My entire point is that neither side has a monopoly on idiotic statements. Don’t pretend otherwise.

              • Black Flag® says:

                Buck,
                Don’t pretend that anything any politician says has any merit.
                They all come from a premise that violent force on non-violent people is the best way to solve problems.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Idiosy has no political, gender or race barriers. It’s probably the only behavior that does not discriminate.

              • Ain’t that the truth!

  10. Holy shit..you cannot make this up…this new White House female spokesperson….on the issue in Texas…..just because the two individuals had AK 47’s. and despite the fact that one of the dead is now known as an ISIS member and posts on facebook….and the fact that they were at a private function….does NOT make them terrorists.

    I…….I……..I………I just have no answer.

    • She’s right. Ak-47 possession does not make you a terrorist or communist. Being a Facebook ISIS friend or supporter is a personal choice. Prove nothing. Attempting to commit a mass attack on civilians who attend a rally offending some Muslims could just be road rage that got out of hand. News said they drove from Arizona. Yep, just road rage. Nothing to see, no reason to fear, hasn’t been a terrorist attack on Obama’s watch…..

      • Of course, how stupid of me and the fact that they got gunned down in Texas…..well, we are ruffians…wild west show and all.

        • You realize of course that an off duty Police office gunned down a Black Man don’t you? Next year that will be part of the statistics.

          “Black lives matter”. ” Hands up, don’t shoot.” “Hey, Hey LBJ how many kids have you killed today?” ” Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh. NLF is gonna win!”

          Gotta love the lefties, they are so damn creative.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I have to agree with that assessment. This was not an act of terrorism. I don’t believe the people in attendence of the event were terrorized one iota.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Sir…have you considered speech therapy to correct your stutter? It really impedes your ability to get your point across. Me I just have to go see a neurologist to make sure the uncontrollable shaking of of my head is not some disease or something and not just disbelief in the comments our leaders make, on both sides of the aisle.

      • That is what happens when I cannot have Dr Pepper.

        But not worse than Buck without coffee.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Did those people visit the “Old Man on the Mountain” before attending, I assume a well advertised event, where people will be well armed and capable of using those arms with deadly effect?

        • Not much in life is worse then than Buck without coffee.

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            So what is your favorite coffee? I assume de-caf is not one of them.

            • Decaf?? What is that?

              Lately I’ve been making a wonderful Bolivian coffee. Though right now I’m sitting here with a double espresso to end the day.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                De-caf, never touch the stuff either…makes me very ill. A good high test, very robusto suits me very well. I can’t do the double espesso anymore, after a certain hour unless I plan on motoring a couple hundred miles. I used to get my beans at a little Italian place in Mamaroneck.

                Routine in the AM in Sicily was an espresso in an american coffee cup plus a shot of grappa on a cold winter morning. At least 6 singles during the day. At the 1st pasticceria upon leaving work another double got me to my villa. Did that routine for years. Came stateside and I thought I went into withdrawal.

              • No grappa, but always with sambuca!

                I’m on about 5 cups a day, give or take one, plus an espresso most nights.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                No wonder the lawyers I see heading to the courthouse look as wired as their clients (joke)

              • 🙂

    • gmanfortruth says:

      ROFLMAO. :D. We were just talking about Left Wing idiocy. Buck, see what I mean?

  11. I’m not sure exactly why I’m posting this-so someone else can share in my astonishment, to point out that there are some truly screwed up people out there. I don’t know but she uses the term my friends to denote that there are more that think like her-if this can be defined as thinking.

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=356529

  12. Oh, and now it has been confirmed that the AK 47’s had 70 round drums attached and each man had three 40 round magazines as back up…..so let us do a little math….hmmmmmmmmmmm 140 rounds in drums….and 240 rounds in magazines….that is 380 rounds that would have been in a tight cluster….200-300 people dead if they got in….

    so……………………how does it go…. 2 Ak 47’s @ $600, 380 rounds ammunition @$75, six 40 rd magazines @ $200….One Texas trooper and 2 dead terrorists….priceless.

    • The conspirator in me sees another failed plot to ban the large capacity magazines, even gaining the support of the right wingers because of who would die.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      ok…ok…I’m awake

      This is the reason and results of why a violent terrorist and revolutionary went into education, Bill Ayers. Minds are so malliable when they have no foundation.

  13. Let me see now……..the latest theory….the Muhammed Caricature drawing contest was designed to infuriate the Muslim Terrorists….and when they responded, words like ambush have been thrown around…it was a publicity issue designed to make someone respond and then get gunned down. It was done on purpose.

    Ok, this is Texas:

    Hmmmm…we use decoys to entice ducks to land in specific areas. We use fishing lures to fool fish in the hopes that they bite and get caught. We use duck calls to entice ducks into the blinds. We use feed and turkey calls to lure turkeys into a killing zone. We use feeders and corn to feed deer to lure them into a killing zone. We wear camoflage during dove season and plant sunflower around stock tanks to lure the dove into the killing zones. We use baits and traps to lure feral hogs and coyotes into killing zones. We use beaters to flush pheasants into killing zones….

    We use Muhammed cartoon gatherings to lure sub human species into killing zones…..so, just exactly what is the problem here?

  14. Just A Citizen says:

    Buck

    Would this one qualify as a right wing example?

    “They know that Muslims will kill them and Christians won’t. They also know in their hearts that Islam is a false religion and Christianity is true. This is the conviction that is inherited from Adam and Eve as signified by their shame of their nakedness. It is inherent in all people. That is why atheists and non-believers attack Christianity because it makes them feel like the sinners that they are.”

    On why the left reacts as it does by rationalizing Islamic violence but condemning Christians.

    • Wow that’s a load to wade through…

      Many quotes from right-leaning politicians in recent years come to mind in thinking of idiotic statements.

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    Gman

    You been Ghost writing elsewhere??

    http://www.amren.com/news/2014/09/ten-percent-is-not-enough/

    • No, but an interesting article. I have never thought of it that way.

    • Sorry, do not buy it. The blacks have HISTORY prior to the mid ’60’s. That history includes the Harlem Renaissance. Sure there were the intellectual elite just as there are in any race but the ordinary black who lived in Harlem or Bed Sty in the City of my youth bears no more relation to the current “ordinary” resident than skin color.

      The white intellectual class has created this monster.

      I will give you two points to mull over. Admittedly, I am far better prepared to argue them because I saw it up close and personal.

      1. West Indian blacks who immigrate to the US have no baggage regarding US Slavery nor government largess. The same may hold true for Africans who immigrate and move right along economically. I have limited experience with the Africans though from what I saw, they are interested in education and financing success

      2. Many Puerto Ricans share the “welfare” mentality with American blacks. They too have been told they are a persecuted minority and have been coddled and in some cases ruined. Thinking among Cubans, Ecuadorians, Colombians, Dominicans et al is quite different.

      Regarding the urban areas, there has always been the added problem of the huge influx of rural blacks into the North Post WW 2. A rural population which overwhelms an urban area brings problems that you really have to be there to see. take for example pouring five gallon buckets on a parquet floor in a fourth floor apartment and mopping it because this is the way you cleaned the concrete floor back in the cabin on the farm.

      • I think there are certainly some cultural differences between the black community and the non-blacks in this country, but it’s not what I think is the core of the problem. It may help the issue along, but I still think that Democrat policies are a large part of the problem. It’s too much of a common denominator to ignore any more.

        During the riots in Baltimore last week, there were 9 murders and 12 others shot, not associated with the protests/riots.

  16. Texas reacts: Thank you, ISIS…you have moved some people off high center. Long gun regulations have been relaxed effective immeduately. By the way, for those that are not familiar with the terminology “long gun”…..it means rifle and/or shotgun. You can open carry long guns inTexas as long as you have them slinged in an appropriate manner. By week’s end, we will be able to carry long guns in a more ready position. Unslinged…..with rounds chambered and no limit magazines allowed.

    The open carry on pistols will be fast tracked with no limited magazine. It is on the governors desk and he said,last night, it will not remain there much longer.

    By the way, ISIS…..we shoot back and we don’t miss. The off duty policeman that offed your two compadres? Standard training. We profile and we watch and we are going to profile more and watch even closer. Thank you ISIS because you just raised the awareness of a State that eats breakfast with loaded weapons amd you now have millions looking for you.

    BY the way, ISIS…you do realize that even though you were wearing body armor….this simple off duty policeman.,,,took you out with one pistol and two head shots…..we train to shoot the head….not the body…..everybody has body armor. Oh…..and even though you fired the first shot……you were dead in 6 seconds.

    Don’t mess with Texas, ISIS……go back to crossing the border in Arizona and California…..those are Federal guys….they don’t shoot very quickly and must offer you pizza and beer to try to win your hearts and minds……

    Oh, and one last tidbit……there are no 72 virgins for you….not in Texas….we took care of that also.

    • Liked the comment that if the founding fathers faced the Roman Empire instead of the British it would have been over immediately with the ringleaders crucified. The Romans had no concern over public opinion. One might find this analogous to the Allies in WW 2 who, if they thought about it all all, decided to leave the arguing over the “morality” of Hiroshima and Dresden to their grandchildren being too busy themselves, at the time, saving civilization

      • Black Flag® says:

        “The Romans had no concern over public opinion”

        Absolutely untrue. Ceasers obeyed the same law of Political Science as the politicians today. If they created conditions that appeared to degrade the citizens, they were murdered.

        All politicians, directly or indirectly, rule by the acquiescence of the people

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          True…true….even Hitler was popular until defeat was at the doorstep and then the Germans denied knowing anything about what was going on. “Arbeit Macht Frei”

          • Somehow you guys are missing something from that piece. The Romans may very well have given a shit about their domestic policies. Wipe out Palestine, loot the Temple and bring the booty home, Who gives a shit?

            The analogy was that the Brits had a domestic opinion that cared what was done overseas in their name (to a point). The Romans, well, things were handled differently. Kinda a Godfather, “I gotta an offer you can’t refuse.”

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              I’ve read that the most dangerous place in the Roman Empire was the closer you got to Caesar. There was an old saying that “render unto Caesar what is his” Pretty much pay the taxes and you’re generally left alone. Occupied, but left to your own. Rebel and then you’d have hell to pay and no stone will be left unturned or standing. That is once you were in the empire.

            • Black Flag® says:

              Yeah, those British that wiped out the African tribes on a whim, ravaged the new world, invaded China, decimated the Australian natives…. those guys?

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                went to war forcing opium on the chinese to balance the losses to the treasury…those guys?

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                One of the lasting lessons from my anthro classes was the “ethnocentric” example of the do good christians and how they came pretty darn close to wiping out the aborigines. This was pertaining to the customs governing the “rounds”

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                The colonials and I use that term generously, that made up the British East India Company were some of the most arrogant, racist people that ever walked on this earth.

              • Yes, but the American colonists were “us”.

                Another thing I would love to have explained is how they could treat the people in India with a certain respect yet were totally brutal in Ireland, just miles away.

                Also there is a,little pamphlet I picked up in NY a while back written by a survivor of the Prison Ships in NY harbor. The Martyr’s monument in Greenpoint Park, Brooklyn is dedicated to them. The recovered bones of the bodies thrown overboard are entombed there,.

                http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/fort-greene-park/monuments/1222

                Still, the other translation for “Cartago delenda est” is, Don’t piss the Romans off.

  17. Would you believe that this new fad of dancing and walking on the American Flag was actually tried here? A few liberal minded people thought that it would work in Austin….it seems that they forgot that the Texas National Guard and the State Guard are headquartered there…..DO NOT walk on the American Flag nor the State Flag in front of veterans…..it was not pretty.

    • I would gladly donate for their boat ride back to Africa. Let them live in mud huts for a few years and see if they change their minds. Idiots!

  18. SK, on the calling names if you don’t believe stuff. There are always things that we should question. Anything called “the official story” is #1 on the list. All the other Left Wing talking points are nothing but senseless blather. Basically, the real idiot’s are the ones who believe 😀 (without investigating thoroughly). It’s not always what you see, but what isn’t present to see that raises questions.

    Man made Global Warming is hogwash! And so on 🙂

  19. I found the part about the four different theories of homicide very interesting.

    http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2015/05/05/beware-baltimores-no-justice-no-peace-prosecutor/?singlepage=true

  20. add this to our discussion about how things went so terribly wrong-some interesting statistics provided.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417899/inconvenient-truth-about-ghetto-communities-social-breakdown-thomas-sowell

    • Another great catch. Answers the thing G-man posted this morning quite nicely and is in keeping with my personally witnessed anecdotal evidence and interviews I conducted of the old timers in my Ghetto buildings which of course guys like Charlie would have you ignore because I lack the PhD I guess. .

      The G-man post

      http://www.amren.com/news/2014/09/ten-percent-is-not-enough/

      • That was a JAC post! Although it does have some good points. 🙂

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I believe the article has it’s points but inaccurate. Just look at the mess Sub-Sahara Africa is in. North of that is a different issue.

        That is why I posted a map several months ago showing Africa without the European imperialistic colonial map lines. Which have been maintained by a european/un and whomever agreement since those powers left africa in the 60’s. What I see now is a whole lot of failed states of warring tribes trying to maintain artifical borders, not created by them. Quite like the M/E and the cartographers post WWI carving up the Ottoman Empire.

  21. Ha-Take that-how pathetic is it that people will go to the extreme of lying and pretending to be Satanists to win an argument.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/417906/myopia-progressive-mind-mario-loyola

  22. Hmmm, funny how when you look at the actual goings on-it is clear that minorities do better in republican states. And for all the leftist states Talk-they are the ones that are forcing the minorities out.

    http://www.newgeography.com/content/004913-america-s-cities-mirror-baltimore-s-woes

  23. This kinda stuff will be common, until laws are passed to outlaw it. It’s in Texas this time, who’s next? http://clashdaily.com/2015/05/texas-lawmakers-to-be-exposed-group-targets-texas-lawmakers-with-secret-videos/#

  24. This is interesting (and fly’s in the face of those who believe only Congress can coin money). It may be a worthy investment, and easier to invest for the non-rich, if they will deliver actual gold (say at least a 1 oz. coin) http://www.thedailysheeple.com/new-gold-backed-cryptocurrency-has-been-announced_052015

    • Remember, all currencies went away from hard backed assets like gold/silver/etc. I do not believe that you will ever see a currency in the future that is backed by metals.

      I sure hope that those people that have bought gold/silver/palladium, etc…..did not do so on a digital or paper basis….I hope that they have it in hand…and they better not have it in ingots or bars ( my opinion )…..IRA’s are especially problematic in that mutual funds and banks and brokerages all deal in their own basis….(a greater PONZI scheme than social security) For example, and this should be agains the law in my opinion…..let’s take a firm like Merrill Lynch…huge firm that deals in its own securities. Those of you that have IRA’s or some other investment apparatus….and you do not look at your portfolio…you are asking for trouble. It is common practice to trade among their own. Fund managers want you to TRUST them….remember how they get paid…commissions. Commissions based on sales. Think about it.

      I have a question for some on here and Buck can probably answer it better…..is there anybody on here that rolled over an IRA account into Lear Capital or some such organization where they are all proclaiming that gold and silver is a hedge…..My question is….did you get the gold/silver or did you get a paper certificate….because, in order for that IRA to be properly funded in gold securities, they better have the gold in hand….not some digital reference on paper.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        What was that old Spanish coin…”Piece of eight”…the overall coin was a certain weight, but then as it was used it was cut up by 1/8ths

      • “Those of you that have IRA’s or some other investment apparatus….and you do not look at your portfolio…”

        Very true — anytime you invest with anything (not just an IRA) you need to monitor your investments. There is nothing wrong per se with granting some discretion and permitting Merrill Lynch or whatever outfit to deal in its own securities. But always monitor what is going on.

        ” have a question for some on here and Buck can probably answer it better…..is there anybody on here that rolled over an IRA account into Lear Capital or some such organization where they are all proclaiming that gold and silver is a hedge…..My question is….did you get the gold/silver or did you get a paper certificate….”

        I can’t answer the question – I don’t know anyone who has taken this sort of action.

  25. Dale A Albrecht says:

    It’s amazing how the Germans keep dodging on the “accident” of their Germanwings plane the other month. Laws in place disarming the people for the most part. For your safety of course, we’ll take care of that for you. Here on the slightest pretext you can have registered weapons confiscated especially if you talk about depression with a VA psychologist.

    But due to medical cofidentiality they allowed a clinically depressed person on medications to serve as co-pilot on an airliner. I hope the victims families sue Luftansa and Germanwings into oblivion. Traveling by air you have absolutely zero control in any way. You have to trust emplicitly the airline that they have taken every precaution. I do understand accidents do and will happen.

    I’ve been on 3 planes that had near crashes. 1) landed in Stapleton in a snowstorm and the runway was not clear. When the pilot applied the brakes, those of us on the starboard side were looking straight down the runway, as the plane slid sideways down the runway eventually coming to a stop. 2) the nose gear collapsed at Dutchess County airport and we wound up walking to the terminal after climbing down off the plane resting on its nose on the runway. 3) Fuel system problem flying out of Dulles. The pilot and crew ignored the problem no matter how much we complained about a problem under the wing root. We could feel it. Finally the they recognized they had an emergency. Dumped fuel out over the Chesapeake, came in with all the appropriate crash trucks in attendence. The flight or ground crew obviously did not do a pre-flight walkaround.

    I talked to a friend who is a stewardess (flight attendent) for a major airline. She flat out said, if you knew about all the issues they fly with, you’d never fly again. Ah…she was right.

    • But, the flight attendant is obviously still working…..

      • HOwever, being an IFR pilot certified in multi engine ( no jets ) over land and sea…….you would actually be surprised at some things that go on……but, just like anything else…you have backups to the backups. However, since I am responsible for my own plane and it is me up there in the air…..I never cut corners on maintenance…..never. Not once!!!! I do not have a profit and loss to consider while flying….if it gets too expensive..I will quit. In addition….never ever ever……cut corners on your preflight and you should never fly or land without your inflight checklist, prelanding checklist, landing checklist..and last but not least, your taxi checklist and even your shutdown…..

        • But the one nice thing about flying yourself…..you have no security, you can leave anytime, you donot have to show up three hours early and stand in lines….when you land there is no waititng time on your luggage, taxicabs to hail…terminal parking bills to pay……

          And, in those terminals that share commercial aviation with general aviation…..it should make you nervous that while you are standing in line to be xrayed, fondled, bags being searched, taking shoes off….etv…..just across the tarmac in general aviation….there is no security, no xray, no fondling (unless you start it) no shoes off…no bagage inspections..

          Oh, I might add…..Kennedy, DFW, Atlanta, LaGuardia, OHare, Miami, Tampa, Los Angeles, Seattle…….Are just some of the few airports that share with general aviation….how safe do you feel now?

          • Maybe it is the interest I’ve always had in flying or the horror as a kid hearing about crashes but this latest series on Smithsonian channel really captivates me. They do a damn good job following the investigations and keeping just technical enough to keep it interesting to the ordinary folk.

            http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/air-disasters/802

            In 1957, my cub masters wife was killed on a flight out of LaGuardia. I remember arriving at the meeting, the adults all upset and being sent home.

            http://www.correctionhistory.org/html/chronicl/rikersaircrash/1957rikersaircrash.html

            • Yes…..the Rikers Island Crash is what changed the IFR training to include how to handle what is termed ” loss of spatial awareness”……In addition, that flight was withing 250 pounds of max takeoff weight and it was in a snow storm…..it hit trees because it could not gain altitude as a result of the pilot not recognizing that taking off in a snow storm will accumulate weight that affects lift on the wings. In addition, a loss of spatial awareness when the plane banks in IFR conditions is a common occurence if one does not understand the affects….in other words do not look outside. Your eyes are GLUED to the instrument panel you do not look up until you are established on departure procedures. IT was determined that when the pilot noticed that he was not climbing at a rate sufficient to clear a 50 ft obstacle (standard procedure) , he most likely lost spatial awareness in trying to figure out what was happening. He probably tried to look at the wings to see if there was accumulation on the “lifting” areas or leading edge. Once that happens…..loss of awareness occurs…..

              • Before I flew in IFR conditions with the Baron 58 (my plane) I attended a 8 day training course on flight safety and operations in IFR conditions. I spent 10 flying hours per day in moving simulator….most of the time was flying on one engine in IFR conditions. I experience Spatial issues almost constantly until it was drilled into my head NEVER look up from the instrument panel…..most of the course was designed for losing an engine on take off, enroute and landing in IFR conditions. THere are some amazing simulators out there….at any rate…it was quite anexperience.

              • Interesting feedback. Remember the old man talking about P-38’s auguring in when they lost an engine on take-off because the pilot could not respond fast enough.

                Here is the Jeff Ethell P-38 crash back in the ’90’s when he lost an engine. Particularly horrible because his dad was present. His father flew with the 20th FG in WW 2 where my father was a mechanic. He was flying to honor his Dad on his birthday.

                http://www.avweb.com/news/safety/183014-1.html

      • But, the flight attendant is obviously still working…..

        And, not to mention, by refusing to fly you don’t get to see so many places!

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Just staying Stateside. I only have 4 more States to visit. When traveling now I like to hit the back roads. You get away from the homogenized corporate life where every intersection is the same. You also meet a great deal of interesting folks. If I ever head to Europe again I will take an ocean liner. It’d be fun. I never minded flying in Europe because the agents are so much more professional and subtle. They get the job done without making you feel like you’re a criminal.

          I friend of mine, a stewardess, was supposed to be on the Pan Am flight that was blown up over Lockerbie. A co-worker asked her at it’s previous stop if she could switch and take her place. She needed to get home earlier.

          The 1st trip across country the only roads that came close to an interstate was the NY Thruway. At that time it was completed only from NYC to Albany. The PA Turnpike was old already. You dropped off at Wheeling WVA and it was like dropping into a scene from “Deliverance” The next highway was the Will Rogers Parkway in Oklahoma. Last one was the Hollywood Freeway. 101 through the SF Valley was still being built.

          • Clearly something great about travelling the country and visiting all 50 states (though even doing that I would want to fly for the most part — while I would love to do a cross country road trip at some point, it just isn’t feasible to see all 50 states by driving, and not to mention Hawaii and Alaska…)

            But there is also something great about travelling the world. If you want to sit on an ocean liner to cross the Atlantic, be my guest; I’ll jump on the plane and head over!

            • A few years ago I drove from Portland Oregon to my home in Pa. It took 5 days and was a interesting drive. Been up and Down the Eastern US by vehicle, along with most of the Midwest. I’ve also flown a lot, across country and overseas (17 foreign countries). Although three of the 17 were by vehicle (Coast Rica, Kuwait and Canada). I have become quite tired of traveling 🙂

              • How can one ever become tired of travelling?

              • Easy!
                In one year, I had logged 3 million air miles.
                When asked “Wow! Where are you going to go with all those air miles”? I responded:
                “Home”

              • I just got back from a trip and am now busy looking into the next!

              • How can one ever become tired of travelling?

                That’s easy, I found my nirvana. Everything I want to see is right were I’m at.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Two years ago I planned on taking a 9,000 mile trip in a big loop of the US. Sort of “Travels with Charlie” style. It was going to be multi-month. It never came to about. I decided going by ones self wasn’t going to be much fun. That’s a type of trip that requires sharing.

              • Sounds like a great trip, and one where you would definitely want a companion.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              I should have said lower 48. hey, it’s just another way to enjoy the voyage of life. Now these carnival cruises on the mega floating hotels do not interest me in the least.

              I’ve done 12 trips cross country. Totally have lost count of regional trips out west and on the east coast.

              • “Now these carnival cruises on the mega floating hotels do not interest me in the least.”

                Couldn’t agree more. But part of that is because I don’t do relaxing vacation – I need to get out and explore.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Oh yuck…out there with all those unwashed masses…just kidding…..If there is one more international trip I would like to take, that would be to Turkey.

              • I went to Turkey last September – wonderful trip which I strongly advise you take! In fact, I’m trying to convince my sister to do Turkey for her honeymoon if she can swing it.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          The last MAC flight I took was in 1976. After that, if I had to fly I flew commercial. World Airways chartered DC-9 out of Philly to Naples. Full load and storm. They never weighed any luggage. As you were going down the runway, you’d feel the plane try and liftoff. Then settle back down. You started seeing the markers of remaining runway. One by one passed by. You actually did not feel the plane lift off like a normal flight and we just cleared the masts and antenna’s at the Navy Yard. The masthead lights whipped by just under the plane…..flying thanks but no thanks…..Maybe if I make it to Texas for some barbecue I’d trust the Colonel.

          There was a shoot down of a commercial airliner (Alitalia) off of Sicily while I was there. Along with two Libyan Migs.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        No….

  26. Buck……while sitting with some friends from the Soutwest Legal Foundation….we were discussing change of venue in Baltimore…..it is obvious that a change of venue and a new prosecutor is warranted….but….interested in your take. What I found to be pretty interesting, I have not found ONE single criminal lawyer that thinks murder 2 will stand….and 90% do not think that manslaughter, as currently filed, has a chance….Notwithstanding all the hoopla…….and just going legal ( and I know you are not a criminal lawyer )….how do you see it?

    Interested on your take of “second-degree depraved heart murder,” I think everybody understand that the speed of the charges is politically motivated..and the ME is certainly going to be questioned…

    • I don’t agree the speed of the charges and the extent of the charges are purely politically motivated – but yes, to a certain degree, that is the case. On the specific charges, I think manslaughter definitely has a decent chance of prevailing given the facts as we know them now. Murder 2 would surprise me.

      • http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/freddie_grays_knife_and_the_mosby_standard_of_probable_cause.html

        I think the video I’ve seen shows Gray being carried/dragging his feet to the van. Usually when there is a crime, you expect it to be investigated before charges. In this case it looks like all officers are being charged and their trial will be where the fact finding takes place. For example, did the injuries take place before or after he was placed in the van? If before, how is that the fault of the transporting officers? If after, how is it the fault of the arresting officer? Are they all guilty by association? The bike cops that arrest someone, is it not department procedure for them to turn suspects over to other motorized cops for transport?

        My point, if it’s been investigated as should before they can be charged, the prosecutor knows if the injury was before or after transport. Therefore, the prosecutor has filed false charges against one of the groups…..(and that is also a criminal act)

      • I just remember all the criminal lawyers were astounded at the speed of the charges. The standard belief is that it is politically motivated and was also used to quiet rioters. Well, it is interesting because if the change of venue occurs, as it should…..manslaughter changes from state to state. And, it was pointed out, that the ME is a local and black. All the defense attorneys that were present were saying how they wished they had this case….because they thought that the range of charges were like shooting a shotgun….throw several out there and something might stick.

        But consider this in Maryland as it was pointed out to me. Manslaughter is an accidental killing caused by a person’s criminally liable recklessness or criminal negligence. In Maryland, although there is a manslaughter statute, manslaughter itself isn’t defined in the statute. Manslaughter is a common law (created by cases) crime in Maryland and can be either voluntary or involuntary, depending on the intent. So, the DA or whomever is going to have to prove intent.

        The defense is obviously going to say…hold on here….there is no statute in Maryland,,,it is dependent upon varying definitions of “common law”…..and there is no ONE definition. So, just exactly what was the intent?

        It proves to be interesting….but if a murder or manslughter charge does not stick….and Baltimore burns…..whose fault is it now.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          I got to know a criminal defense attorney from Berkeley during the OJ trial. He gave quite a running commentary of the case and how it was handled. He flat out said the prosecution was leaving so many holes that it would have been “criminal” for OJ’s team to not drive a truck through them. They did. The AG’s office in LA threw the criminal case because of the fallout that would undoubtably have happened. The civil case who cared.

          The officers in Baltimore may be convicted of something, but being stupid is not charged, And in the long run overturned on appeal if convicted at all.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    Oh boy, the leftwing rags are sure going after Texas in general and the Governor, Cruz et al specifically this morning.

    Apparently the Gov. agreeing to have the Texas Guard “monitor” the Jade Helm exercise is proof that Texas is filled with INSANE people. And of course, they are happy to replay the editorial comments of one of his political opponents.

    Also funny watching them gush love at our military in order to ridicule Texas. Funny even more that they fail to report on the OTHER states where the exercise is occurring.

    I guess a Governor taking action to quell the fears of his citizens is now evidence for ridicule. What ever happened to the idea that our elected officials must represent EVERYONE??

    • I have noticed as well 😀 If for some unknown reason the grocery stores would cease to maintain food stocks, they would all starve to death. Unless they just walk lockstep to Hillary’s Happy Camps 🙂

    • Forced vaccinations are right around the corner. Why is the Trans Pacific Partnership so secret? Do you really need to ask why many of us have ZERO trust in the Feds? Anything like TPP, that is kept that secret can’t be good. I thought they couldn’t keep secrets? It seems they are doing quite well with this TPP. So much for “they can’t keep such secrets” don’t Ya think 🙂

    • The left, especially Obama, is pretty upset that Texas has and funds its own state guard and that it is armed with the same weapons as the regular army and reserve forces. Why should anyone care what goes on in Texas….other than…..we are exercising our own free will and rights and openly defying the Feds…..isn’t that what independence is about?

      • Why is monitoring the actions of others within the State of Texas defying the Feds? If it is considered that way by the Feds, then the CT crowd was on target. I’m still in the camp that it is only an exercise and harmless to the people.

        • Observing the exercise is not defying the Feds…I was trying to reference other areas where Texas is exercising its independence…trying to tie it altogether….I obvioulsy failed.

  28. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Interesting headline State Department official says “Hillary’s private e-mail use for official business is unacceptable and outside of policy” It was clearly used to circummvent official oversight……good lord, didn’t anyone feel the least bit suspicious especially the oversight committees about the LACK of communication from the SOS?.

    • I think Obama is gonna throw her under the bus, he want’s someone that is more to the Left, like E. Warren.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Honestly I’d wish Jim Webb would come in. Unfortunately would be 71 by election time.

        • That’s two of us. We ought to write him. 71, so what? I’ll be 71 then too. As long as he doesn’t put the Windex in the fridge every day we ought to be ok.

          Hell, thinking about that again. Even if he DOES put the Windex in the fridge every day we would still be better off than we are with the current charlatan.

  29. Dale A Albrecht says:

    I wonder how many people are buying the MSM spin that the education gap in Baltimore is caused by the Republican governor’s administration. Humm. he just took office in January. Preceeded by 8 years of a Dem. early 2000 4 years of a Republican and then one has to GOOOO all the way back to the 60’s and Spiro Agnew VP under Nixon for those that were not with us yet back then.

  30. gmanfortruth says:

    Update on Deflategate , report is out, QB Brady was aware of deflated balls.

  31. @ Buck…..jump on your plane and come to Texas….We will teach what a gun is, then teach you how to shoot it. We will serve you REAL chili ( no beans). We will put you into a real hat and not one of those drug store cowboy types….then, of course, you must have a pair of boots and belt to match. We will serve you REAL coffee and not some yuppie thing. You will learn to use the term ya’ll…which is easy because it is singular and plural…YOu will be served REAL range fed steak and not some steroidal store bought stuff…You will observe that we drive REAL vehicles down here….and not some hybrid electric crap…..you must understand that the only “pop” we have down here only refers to your dad….you will have a Dr. Pepper, the National drink of Texas. We do not use foo foo tequila’s..white or gold or any other color….you will drink Mescal….and then fight over the worm at the bottom….

    By the way…..if you cook your steak other than medium rare, you will immediately tell everybody that you are not from around here. As I have said before….FOOTBALL is a religion. Baseball is tolerated….Basketball is watched with amusement…..however, Ice HOckey is becoming the second sport down here because you can still hit somebody. YOu cannot get up in he morning in Fort Worth and decide you are going to “run down to the coast” for awhile and be back for lunch..it is an 8 hour drive on roads where our speed limits are 75 to 85 but everybody drives 90. You will marvel that one our of every ten vehicles is a sedan…..we like putting our carbon foot print out there….you will see SUV’s and pick up trucks….and I am not talking these little wannabe pickups….the big kind that run on deisel and are called “doolies”. You will not hear your neighbor’s toilet flush next door..and that is because in New YOrk City Area….you have 8,491,000 people crammed into 305 sq miles ….the DFW area has 7,000,000 in 9,285 sq miles.

    So come on down…..oh…..Mexican food is NOT Taco Bell……

    • “We will teach what a gun is, then teach you how to shoot it.”

      I know what a gun is and I know how to shoot one. Us city slickers generally aren’t opposed to ever using a gun; we just believe there can and should be reasonable restrictions.

      “We will serve you REAL chili ( no beans).”

      I’ve had your so-called REAL chili; its delicious. But I prefer having the beans. Sorry.

      “…real hat…real boots”

      No thank you! I don’t wear hats and I don’t wear boots.

      “…real coffee..”

      I take my coffee very seriously, and I always drink real coffee. (Except of course at work when I’m forced to drink the dirty water they call coffee rather than leave the office and go buy some).

      “SUV’s and pick up trucks”

      I hate SUVs and pick up trucks. I much prefer a nice little sporty car…

      I don’t know if Texas and I would mix all too well…

      • I dont know about coffee…do not touch the nasty stuff….but, I do remember our foreman at the ranch during roundup saying…if the spoon does not stand straight up..it aint coffee.

        • Was your foreman drinking turkish coffee?? If so, please advise him to refrain from actually drinking (or eating, I guess would be the better word) the dregs.

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            Naw…he was imbibing in Cowboy Coffee. It is on par with the grounds in Turkish coffee.

            Colonel….Excellent coffee is hard to beat unless health bans the drinking of it. Soot and loose grounds and whatever was used to settle those grounds is a hard way to learn to enjoy one of the many pleasures of life.

    • To add:

      “if you cook your steak other than medium rare, you will immediately tell everybody that you are not from around here”

      Medium rare? That is complete blasphemy sir!! I only order my steak rare…except for those times I order it black and blue.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      My former Father-in-law when asked how he liked his steak cooked, would say…”slap it on it’s ass and send it in”
      Great shrimp off of Boliver Peninsula. Do it yourself from start to finish. There was a great Mexican place right smack dab in the middle of old town San Antonio. Can’t remember the name but you’d eat out under the arcade, old fashion cantina inside…at least the dirt floors were tiled over….Dr Pepper…isn’t that carbonated prune juice?

      • From an insider in the business, you always get the best cut of meat when you order medium rare/rare. Those that order more heavily cooked meat get the lessor cuts since the cooking hides the flaws that would other wise be seen and noticed in eating.

        • I’ve heard this from numerous sources in the industry as well.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Took my Grand Mother to a great “beef” place at the stockyards in KC. She ordered her steak well done. The waiter with an incredulous look on his face said, Madam…cooked that way, we will not guarantee your satisfaction. We talked her into letting them prepare it the proper way. They cooked it to perfection and she ate every bite.

          My former Mother in Law always liked the way I would do a standing rib roast. So one Easter she said that she’d buy the roast and for me to roast it. Anyway, I timed my arrival at her house with enough time to prepare the roast while they were all at church and when they’d return dinner would be ready. Arrived and the smells of a roast in the oven greeted me. I inquired as to how long it was in, I could see the temperature. I took my wife off to the side and told her to get moving to church….but we don’t have to be there for an hour yet..I said I want your Mother out….They left, I took the roast out of the oven, wrapped it in foil. buried it in a snow bank and grabbed a book. About a 1/2 hour before they were to arrive back, I took it out and put it back in the oven and warmed it. It had been fully roasted when I walked in. They came in and I took it out. It was perfect. Mother in Law looked at me with the look of see…I knew what I was doing….my wife looked at me with the question of “what the H!!! did you do?

          • Went with my in-laws to Peter Lugers. My father in law orders his steak (as he always done) medium well.

            Waiter looks at him like he has three heads and says “medium rare”; father in law says “no, medium well”, waiter again says “medium rare”, father in law again says “no, medium WELL”, waiter says “medium?”, father in law says “medium WELL”, seeing my father get a bit angry over this, waiter turns to me and my wife (who had just ordered ours black and blue), shrugs his shoulder says “I tried” and walks off.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              The macelleria out at the corner from my place in Sicily was a very interesting place. The meat was always fresh. Sometimes you’d go in and they wouldn’t have the cut you wanted or what was available was getting a bit thin. The butcher would say, come back in a 1/2 hour. You’d come back and a fresh steer, lamb or pig would be hanging up over a pan, draining. He’d ask, now what did you want? He’d cut it, wrap it and it was still warm. That’s fresh.

              When I did travel overseas I always would go to the markets. Not the modern ones, and I mean ones with walls. I found it was always to be a highlight of the trip. Especially the photos.

              My step-son was stationed in Mainz for 4 years between 89 and 93. We made a point of visiting him. He was married and living in quarters on base. The 1st dinner they served was from FROZEN crap purchased at the commissary. It was awful. We had been in town earlier and the beautiful meats and produce at the markets was abundant and astounding with their variety and freshness. I asked him why he and his wife didn’t buy in town. It was fresh and also cheaper. He said the Commanding Officer put out a standing order that due to SUB STANDARD HEALTH standards in Germany they would be sent to mast if caught. He did later show me the order. I asked him if he and his wife could eat anywhere in town? They said yes. I asked if they could eat anywhere in Germany? They said yes. I said did they really believe that the order was a legal order? they said yes. I then asked if they thought that the restaurants in town or throughout Germany bought their food from the Army Commissary. Blank stares were returned. It became the first of a long string of questions I want answered that I had been curious about for 17 years.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              That’s in Brooklyn isn’t it? Is the dry aged beef worth it?

              • Yup, they have a location in Great Neck as well, but just isn’t as good. The place is a real institution and the best steak I’ve ever had. You can order a porterhouse for 2 or for 4 or even for 6. But never get one for an odd number of people — cut is slightly different.

                If you find yourself in NYC let me know; I’m always looking for an excuse to go back there.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              I just looked at their website. Can you order 1 steak and 4 plates and sides. You could feed a family of 4 on any one of those cuts if not more. I’m surprised Bloomberg didn’t shut them down for their portion size. Reminded me of the John Candy movie “The Great Outdoors”

              • Friend always promised to take me to Lugers, never did. Must say that the steaks in KC and especially in Leavenworth last year were outstanding. I can honestly say that the good ones here in NJ and even NY were always few and far between but of the four or five places I went to in Kansas and Missouri (some multiple times) I never got a bad one.

              • Have you tried Keens in NYC?

                And make the trip to Lugers already! 🙂

              • To be honest Buck I absolutely love the City of NY but I will be damned if I will drive in and pay the parking and the $ 15.00 toll to get in and the $ 16.00 to use the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel so that some friggen fat cats at the Port Authority and the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel authority can scoot around in their helicopters and redecorate their offices in leopardskin.

                People hate Bob Moses, the Master Builder but I gotta tell you, his plan was to bank the money into interest bearing bonds which would eventually make the bridges and tunnels free. Rockefeller really sold him out, in more ways than one.

              • Well then, all I can say is that you are missing out…

                And I’d take the Williamsburg Bridge to get to Lugers (which as you know is free). Also Lugers has a parking lot across the street.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Is there anyway to plot a course where the toll are only collected one way and you avoid them by taking a big loop, without spending $50 in gas.

              • From NJ if you take the tunnel into the city and the Williamsburg Bridge, you would only have the $14 inbound toll on the tunnel…does that help any?

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Beans in Chili would be sacrilege…but then again NY does need all the gas they can get after banning fracking….just sayin.

  32. Still thinking about that last line but the rest I agree with. Wonder how the media would react if someone claimed that certain members of the LGBT were asking for it-like the fake Nuns and that vile little man I will not name-well we know already don’t we-they would suddenly agree with Christians and republicans and stop talking about hate speech.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/05/06/9-attacks-on-religion-the-hypocritical-pam-geller-hating-media-love/

    • The cognitive dissonance is astounding, even on Fox. Just what is the difference between the Texas event and Charlie Hedbo cartoons. Was one somehow “more legitimate” than the other.

      More than once I have heard mention of the sponsors religion. These vile Mo-Fo anti-Semites are starting to get to me.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      “God requireth not a uniformity of religion to be enacted in any civil state; which enforced uniformity (sooner or later) is the greatest occasion of civil war, ravishing of conscience, persecution of Christ Jesus in his servants, and of the hypocrisy and destruction of millions of souls.”

      “That cannot be a true religion which needs carnal weapons to uphold it.”

      Roger Williams 1603-1683 English and American (colonial) theologian founder of Rhode Island.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        One can edit the quote after conscience through servants and have a very powerful message. It doesn’t even have to be about religion. Also just insert “thought” in-place of religion in the 1st quote.

  33. Let me see if I have this correct !!! three months ago, in the same building and the same stage that CAIR had rented and sponsored a Muslim cleric to speak on Sharia Law and its applications in the United States and how to use Sharia Law to circumvent United States Laws by carrying out such acts within the Mosque. I even commented on it that he can get up and say anything he wants….he rented a public place and we have freedom of speech…..even hate speech. This same cleric went on to say that anyone who tries to interfer with the application of Sharia Law will be dealt with harshly as Sharia on Mosque property is legal and carries the same status as an Embassy, A U.S.-based pro-Muslim group that enjoys close ties with the Obama administration has landed on one Arab nation’s list of terrorist organizations.

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) was one of 82 groups around the world designated terrorist organizations by the United Arab Emirates, placing it in the company of Al Qaeda, Islamic State and others. While CAIR has previously been linked to Hamas, it has held hundreds of meetings with White House officials on a wide range of community issues and has sought to present itself as a mainstream Muslim organization.

    So, we now have this lady, Geller, who organized a PRIVATE function, not public….It was rented in the same manner as CAIR and she provided her own security. She has a right to free speech provocative or not. It is the same as the protected right of the ass holes that walk on the American Flag. I may not like it……but they have a right to do it. Now, everybody from Bill Reilly to Donald Trump are blasting her..and Juan Williams is for her. LOL………………..so, keep it up Geller….and stay in Texas. We have your six.

    People are saying that you should not upset the terrorists like that because it may get innocent people killed……when the real decision should be….if you give into it…..you have lost.

    • And we now have the following: In a statement, CAIR said:

      “We condemn yesterday’s attack on an anti-Islam event in Garland, Texas, without reservation.

      “We also reiterate our view that violence in response to anti-Islam programs like the one in Garland is more insulting to our faith than any cartoon, however defamatory. Bigoted speech can never be an excuse for violence.

      So, TAKE THAT O REILLY.

      • Very well put.

      • CAIR of all groups!

        • Why do you say that?

          • Buck, my dear friend. I have seen them defend the indefensible time after time. Now, you may think me a fool or dolt but as that Supreme Court Justice said on another topic some time ago, “I may not be able to define pornography but I know it when I see it”.

            You poor young people grew up in a time when logic was stood on its head. Been doing a bit of research, slightly off topic here but hopefully you can see the link. The United States of America is the only country in the world that deliberately, in the mid-1960’s, voluntarily became a bi-lingual country though there was neither a call nor a need for it.

            In the need to become sensitive and all inclusive at any cost, no matter how tiny the minority, Muslims, the LGBT community, whoever winds up driving the train.

            Boys in the Girls bathroom! Girls in the boys locker room. Riot and Arson (one of the few things where deadly force is allowed to stop it) equated to free speech. Censorship disguised as proposed laws against hate.

            I could go on for hours. Anytime you want to take me to Peter Lugers to discuss it further, I’ll accept. Get your father-in-law to pay for it!

            • Woah – when did I ever say I would take you!? That is one pricey meal, though well worth every penny! I’ll gladly join you for a meal though!

              Now on CAIR…what did they defend that was indefensible?

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                And cash only on top of that. What’s dinner run…..$150-200 per without an excellent single malt from Islay, wine and cognac? And then cab fare?

              • Gotta figure $100 per person as an estimate.

                Unfortunately their wine list isn’t the greatest; I usually get a cocktail and then a beer — Luger Lager! Actually pretty damn good!

                Best deal though is lunch — best burger I’ve ever had, hands down. I think they’re charging $14 nowadays.

              • Easier just to pick any 10% at random from this list. Dismiss the rest as Jewish propaganda, otherwise I’d have to go digging in my archives and that….is some mess.

                http://archive.adl.org/israel/cair/positions.html#.VUqj6pNZ7fc

                The Colonel’s post above can be added. Again I will emphasize that the incredibly small percentage of Muslim Americans seem to be steering the government’s boat.

                I might just add here as MY editorial comment that to come to the United States as a refugee, you have a lot of chutzpah to complain. Until we start emulating those paragons of liberalism, FDR and Gov. Earl Warren and start rounding up and sending Muslims in America to desert camps for the duration, they got little to complain about.

              • Ahh, an all cash business….talk about licking my chops!

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                That’s not a bad price for the NY metro area…..appetizers though have to be at a coal fired pizza joint for a slice.

              • Buck, @a 100 a plate, do they offer venison?

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Lest we forget that FDR’s Mother’s father made a fortune on the opium trade. Lost his fortune speculating here and went back to the orient to make another in the trade. FDR lived quite well out of his mother’s purse.

              • Dale – between the steak and bacon, you’ll be stuffed. Not to mention the homemade schlag with dessert! No appetizers needed.

              • G, I love venison, but it doesn’t hold a candle to a great porterhouse.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Ach…mit schlag….Lugars sounds like they’d have ambulances on call direct to the coronary unit.

              • Good day here at SUFA — food and travel!! My kind of discussions!

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                We need a break now an again from serious debate. Anyway, when I come up that way, I’d be staying in Poughkeepsie and would take the 1st train in. Spend a long day, hit Eataly, underground to Brooklyn, dinner. Back to the city, last train upstate. I do want to get up to Woodstock and visit some old ’50’s stomping grounds.

              • Eataly is worth checking out if in the area but is a bit overrated if you ask me, though it has a great rooftop beer garden for the warmer months. Why there?

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                My ex Sicilian girlfriend when ever she’s in NYC goes there. She says it worth the visit.

                Question…how do I post a photo here?

              • I’m the wrong person to ask…

          • CAIR has an ulterior motive…..oure and simple. Not to be believed or trusted,

  34. Wow, this is a side of “white privilege training” I wasn’t aware of-one side is as bad as the other. Gonna have a lot of really screwed up kids no matter their race.

    http://eagnews.org/school-districts-spending-millions-on-white-privilege-training-for-employees/

    • Fantastic! The issue drips with racism. They are like those 19th and 20th century thinkers, humanists and eugenicists that said the black man could not do what the white man could and needed the white man to “lead” them.

      The Colonel and I are familiar with the old arguments. In every war, from the Civil through the Indian Wars, the Spanish American, through WW 1, WW2 and Korea, the segregated black units were supposed to fail miserably. Each time they proved themselves, then a few years passed and they had to earn it all over again. (See Slotkin’s “Lost Battalions”

      The greatest enemy of the black man in America, as I am sure Malcolm would have said, is the white liberal who is nothing more than the modern Plantation owner who knows “what’s best” for the colored folk.

      Damn these people all to hell for the lives they have ruined.

    • VH,

      It is all they have left, that and reparations.

      Baltimore is the perfect example. A city shrunk by 1/3rd since its heyday, Black Mayoress, Black Police Commissioner, Majority minority police force, a civil rights issue where three of the six officers involved, including the supervisor I believe, are black. Awfully hard to sell it as white racism so therefore, the “historical” white man may be guilty.

      Reparations, great solution! Who gets them though? Are African Immigrants included? How about West Indians? People of mixed race? If so, what percentage. Hey if I have 1/8th black blood due to a great grandfathers indiscretion generations ago and can “pass” for white, do I get them? What about those dark skinned Indian immigrants? Does everybody need a DNA test?

      If I were cynical and the reparations thing comes to pass, just give me enough notice so that I can open a liquor store or a marijuana dispensary. Nobody ever takes the reparations thing out to the next step. What’s changed when the money is gone?

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        No Stephen…you just self proclaim your racial status. The government doesn’t check citizen status so why this?

        • You remember the reparations that were handed out to supposed farmers. This would be much, much worse. Anyway there isn’t enough money to give to really help anyone and no matter the amount it would never be enough.

        • Well, that makes it simple. I am a Slav, both sides, the word derives from slave. Gonna get mine!

      • I read this kind of thing and watch what’s going on in the world and I just can’t figure out what the end game is-they can’t possibly believe that this is gonna help anyone. Maybe it is just to get elected but if I was black and was aware of what they were teaching I would be enraged and I certainly wouldn’t vote for them. Of course you never really hear this stuff-just words like black culture should be a part of the educational process-always wondered what exactly that meant-what cultural traits would effect learning.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          I cringe everytime I have hear the leaders of all ilk invoke Martin Luther King’s memory. I wonder where we would be today in race relations if he had lived? I think the politicals would be tearing him apart for not pandering to the ruling class.

        • The end game? Destruction of everything you know and love. What else could it possibly be?

          The guilt thing amazes me. I am not willing to accept guilt for something I never did let alone something neither my father nor grandfather ever did. I’m not willing to pay reparations to someone who did not suffer slavery where my family not only never owned slaves but wasn’t even here. I was raised by a father whose own father condemned prejudice and race hatred. Yet nobody particularly gives a damn about my opinion.

          As an example of absolute, total insanity I repeat what I said above to Buck.

          “The United States of America is the only country in the world that deliberately, in the mid-1960’s, voluntarily became a bi-lingual country though there was neither a call nor a need for it.”

          Are you ready for the pounding we will take from the third world within us and the academics and of course Charlie over the 70th Anniversary of Hiroshima? Of course, all those folks were not on Okinawa staging for the invasion of Japan like my uncles nor did they have relatives among the estimated 15,000,000 Chinese who died either as a result of direct military action or of Japanese policy. That is FIFTEEN MILLION, like six (6) zeros after the number 15, like the entire population of New Jersey or New York. They got off easy ask ANY Chinese they will tell you too easy. .

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            My stepson while he was in high school had a mandatory class called “Living in the Nuclear Age” It was nothing but a political harangue about Hiroshima and Nagasaki and how racist the US was. One night when my parents were visiting he turned to my Father and said..”aren’t you guilty about dropping the bomb on Japan”? My Father’s retort was…”what do you think about your odds of sitting at this table here and now, if we hadn’t?” Dad was one of those sailors staging to go in if it didn’t work. All in all it saved a ton of lives then and in the future.

            In May 1929 the world was condemming Chiang kai shek for his “brutality against the chinese continued attempts to evict Japan from Nanking. We all know from history what Japan did in that city in 1937 in the span of six weeks. Murdered upwards to 300,000 civilians and unarmed combatants.

            • Yes the Japanese committed some atrocious crimes during that war. But let’s not kid ourselves and pretend dropping the atomic bomb was necessary.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                We could have blockaded the islands and starved them to death, we could have continued bombing their cities with a greater loss of lives than either bomb together. Evidence Tokyo in one night……I wonder if the Nazi’s hadn’t surrendered in May if they would not have received the 1st package? We also could theorize that it was a warning to the Russians. I do believe though good bad or otherwise it would have been used in a much more destructive manner later. There wasn’t much left of Germany to reduce to rubble so the bomb would have been considered a waste. Who knows…the debate rages on.

              • Back then the mindset was much different than today! I have concluded that judging those before us is an exercise in futility. I also liked that chat about travel and food 🙂 Always welcome! 😀

              • The Russians had a very large part to play in the ultimate decision to drop the bomb.

                Originally the bomb was developed with a mindset of dropping on Germany but a few reasons why it wasn’t — no longer necessary militarily, no ‘clean’ city to drop it on to demonstrate its awesome power, as the extent of the damage and death it would cause became better known the fact that Germans looked like us (versus the ‘other’ Japanese) also played a role.

                As for Japan, sure there was some element of military ‘need’ to avoid an invasion but at the time it was pretty well recognized that the estimated casualty figures for such an invasion were being overestimated, the reason for no surrender was largely due to our insistence that the emperor be removed (even though that insistence was dropped after 2 bombs were dropped), and of course the need for posturing with respect to Rissia.

              • Sadly, humans are self destructive. Always have been, always will be. Humans can’t stop killing each other, be it by war, by crime or by abortion. I have accepted that we will be extinct, us humans, not long after I’m dead. WE, as intelligent beings, should be ashamed of ourselves, because we cannot live in peace, anywhere. In defense of that, we are simply part of the same animal kingdom that we so enjoy watching on TV and in person. The only change that can save humanity is a better understanding of humanity. We aren’t even close yet.

              • Why is the responsibility always on us? Why did it take two bombs to finally convince Japan to end the war? Buck, did you have relatives in that fight? My Dad spent 4 years in the Pacific including on day 1 when he came within feet of being a casualty. He probably would have returned for the invasion. As it was he was scheduled to to back to the Pacific after the surrender to ferry wounded GIs home but just hours prior to takeoff his discharge orders came through. At that point in time, everyone was tired of war and wanted it over as swiftly as possible. You can Monday morning quarterback that decision all you want, but the odds are that if we had to live through the same conditions again, we would take the same action.

              • Look, there is a valid argument to make that the bomb was justified if it would save just 1 American life – an invasion clearly would have cost more than that.

                But it is clear that the estimates for casualties were grossly overblown to help make the case for the bomb. It is clear that the desire to show Russia what we had at our disposal played a large role. It is clear that Japan was pretty much ready to surrender – our insistence that the emperor step down being a major sticking point.

                This isn’t Monday morning quarterbacking. These are issues that played a role in the decision itself that shouldn’t be simply cast aside, ignored or forgotten.

              • Buck,,,,I guess it depends upon your point of view..you were not there….My dad was…Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Saipan….Academia can suppose all they want….Most of Academia is one step above the steam off a skunks piss in the winter…

                I fancy myself a pretty good war historian….I have studied it pretty thoroughly….from the beginnings of war to the endings of war….the tactics, the political whims, the ideas…..all the way back to the Peloponnesian War. I wrote papers on it and taught classes on it.

                Yes, Japan was pretty much isolated and cutoff….BUT the Japanese military was not ready to quit even if the diplomats were…it was not going to happen and Okinawa proved what woud happen with any occupying force….they threw themselves off cliffs to avoid the “evil Americans that were going to eat their young”……

                Any war…..and all wars are fought for political gain. ALL OF THEM….Was the bomb necessary…..that depends on your point of view. I guess the same point of view on Dresden with a created firestorm. Some historians say that if we just waited them out, Japan would quit…..When I talked to dad (whom I lost last month) he was adamant that the Japanese war was not going to end until years later. Why? Because he saw the determination on the faces of the soldiers and civilians he faced. He was part of the occupying force on Okinawa….and despite all their best efforts….the civilians were killing themselves in droves.

                Americans were going to die by the tens of thousands………I could not attest to Japan but I was in Vietnam and the Americans were never going to win that war…..even if we bombed Hanoi into oblivion…..it was not going to end. You could tell that by the enemy you fought.

                Japan was a formidable enemy….mainly because of its culture and culture plays a huge role in war. We did not understand and we still do not understand the culture of societies even to this very day. We expect everyone to be “civilized”….and it ain’t gonna be that way.

                But. let me ask this question of anyone……First of all…the bombs dropped on Japan….well, they saved lives….American lives….and in war, it is the other bastard that needs to die for their country ( Sorry, Patton).

                Let me test you on something…..what happened in Vietnam that is worse than both bombs being dropped on Japan combined? It is relevant to this dicussion…because more casualties were caused than the ones in Japan…I wonder if anyone on here knows?

              • Buck, stop with the Monday morning quarterback routine.

                No case had to be made at the time for the bomb…..none. It was a vicious brutal war against an enemy who showed time and time again he was unwilling to surrender. Look at Iwo Jima, 22,000 Japanese soldiers, marines and naval infantry present. 212, that is 212 prisoners taken. Same held true for every action against the Japanese. Only on Okinawa were there a significant number of prisoners and probably because they were Okinawan not Japanese.

                Kamikaze! Uncle John had one slam through his LST and did not think this was normal in any way.

                Yes, we invited the Russians into the war which was a mistake and no doubt regretted it. We bombed Hiroshima on August 6th and the Russians came in on August 8th. The deal had been cut with them at Tehran by Roosevelt in ’43. Doubt that Truman even had a clue about what was involved since FDR did not share much. Russians wanted at least two of the home islands for their efforts.

                Take yourself out of current thinking, place your mind in 1945 and think about geo-political considerations from ALL sides. Germany had been partitioned. Did not the Japanese fear that? Might that not have played into their decision making as well as the bomb?

                In any event, it was the responsibility of Harry S. Truman to save American lives and get this nonsense over with. That tough Son of a bitch wasn’t taking any chances and it really does not go beyond that,. Truman was never a deep thinker and never pretended to be one. He left that to FDR’s braintrust. He was a man who acted. In the same circumstances, with the same options, YOU would have done the same.

              • Colonel,

                First off, my condolences about your father.

                Second off, I’m not talking about historians making arguments, I’m talking about actual documents from the time. There was an enormous debate over whether to use the bomb and it wasn’t solely to avoid an invasion and save American lives. I agree that was part of it, but I don’t believe we should kid ourselves that it was done out of some military necessity to save 1,000,000 American lives that would be lost in an invasion. There was a lot of political maneuvering behind the decision as well that should not be ignored.

              • Buck,
                As usual you are dead wrong.
                At the time there was little to no discussion about saving American lives by using the bomb.

                That discussion was started in 1946 by an article in the Atlantic magazine. It was a post-justification for the bomb after the nation learned its horror and questioned its use.

                In his book, he stated it would save “thousands of lives”. This morphed into saving “hundreds of thousands of lives” and continued to morph until even Little Bush stated it saved “millions of lives”.

                In December 1946, just over a year after Hiroshima, The Atlantic published Dr. Karl Compton’s article, “If the Atomic Bomb Had Not been Used.” Compton argues that if the United States had not implemented the Manhattan Project, hundreds of thousands more lives – both American and Japanese – would have been lost.

                Back in 1995, the Smithsonian Institution was preparing to correct some of the 50-year-old pseudo-patriotic myths about the Pacific War by staging an honest, historically-accurate display dealing with the atomic bombings that dealt with stories from the Japanese civilian perspective.

                Swift and well-orchestrated condemnations directed at the Smithsonian historian’s plans to tell unwelcome truths came from right-wing veterans and other militarist groups (including Newt Gingrich’s GOP-dominated Congress – that threatened to stop federal funding of the Institute). The Smithsonian was forced to censor-out all of the contextually important parts of the story, and the patriotic myths about the atomic bombings persist to this very day

              • “As usual you are dead wrong.”

                Actually there was discussion in the lead up of the cost of an invasion in terms of American lives. But again, the larger point (which as usual you choose to ignore) is that the bomb was not dropped out of some sense of military necessity.

                Why even when we seemingly agree do you have to be so obtuse?

              • Buck,
                You continue to post nonsense. The records from that time do not show such conversations. You merely are making up wild stories to try to back up your wild stories.

                The bomb was dropped for a strategic reason, and it was not because of Japan.

                It was because of Stalin and the Russians.

                The contemplated threat that Stalin would not stop his armies until he reached the Atlantic appeared to require the US to demonstrate the ability to subject Stalin to extraordinary fire power.

                The US fed Stalin information that the US had dozens of nukes (when, in reality, only had two – which they used), giving pause to Stalin and his aims regarding Western Europe.

              • More Buck bullshit.

                From the Targeting Committee, May 1945.
                http://www.dannen.com/decision/targets.html

                ” Psychological Factors in Target Selection

                A. It was agreed that psychological factors in the target selection were of great importance. Two aspects of this are (1) obtaining the greatest psychological effect against Japan and (2) making the initial use sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it is released.”

              • Secertary Stinson Memo to Truman, sorry for the formatting – comes out of a PDF.
                No where was the discussion about saving American lives.

                “MEMORANDUM
DISCUSSED
WITH
PRESIDENT
TRUMAN,
APRIL
25,
1945

                1.
 Within
 four
 months
 we
 shall
 in
 all
 probability
 have
 completed
 the
 most
 terrible
 weapon
 ever
 known
in
human
history,
one
bomb
of
which
could
destroy
a
whole
city.
                2.
 Although
we
have
shared
its
development
with
the
U.K.,
physically
the
U.S.
is
at
present
in
the

                position
of
controlling
the
resources
with
which
to
construct
and
use
it
and
no
other
nation
could

                reach
this
position
for
some
years.
                3.
 Nevertheless
it
is
practically
certain
that
we
could
not
remain
in
this
position
indefinitely.
                a.
Various
segments
of
its
discovery
and
production
are
widely
known
among
many
scientists
in

                many
 countries,
 although
 few
 scientists
 are
 now
 acquainted
 with
 the
 whole
 process
 which
 we

                have
developed.
                b.
Although
its
construction
under
present
methods
requires
great
scientific
and
industrial
effort
                and
 raw
materials,
which
 are
 temporarily
mainly
within
 the
 possession
 and
 knowledge
 of
U.S.

                Primary Source Document with Questions (DBQs) on
                “THE DECISION TO USE THE ATOMIC BOMB” (FEBRUARY 1947), BY HENRY LEWIS STIMSON

                Asia for Educators l Columbia University l http://afe.easia.columbia.edu Page 6 of 16
                and
U.K.,
it
is
 extremely
 probable
 that
much
 easier
 and
 cheaper
methods
 of
 production
will
be

                discovered
 by
 scientists
 in
 the
 future,
 together
 with
 the
 use
 of
 the
 materials
 of
 much
 wider

                distribution.
As
a
result,
it
is
extremely
probable
that
the
future
will
make
it
possible
for
atomic

                bombs
 to
 be
 constructed
 by
 smaller
 nations
 or
 even
 groups,
 or
 at
least
 by
 a
larger
 nation
in
 a

                much
shorter
time.
                4.
 As
a
result,
it
is
indicated
that
the
future
may
see
a
time
when
such
a
weapon
may
be
constructed

                in
secret
and
used
suddenly
and
effectively
with
devastating
power
by
a
willful
nation
or
group

                against
an
unsuspecting
nation
or
group
of
much
greater
size
and
material
power.
With
its
aid

                even
a
very
powerful
unsuspecting
nation
might
be
conquered
within
a
very
few
days
by
a
very

                much
smaller
one
.
.
.
.1
                5.
 The
 world
 in
 its
 present
 state
 of
 moral
 advancement
 compared
 with
 its
 technical
 development

                would
be
eventually
at
the
mercy
of
such
a
weapon.
In
other
words,
modern
civilization
might
be

                completely
destroyed.
                6.
 To
approach
any
world
peace
organization
of
any
pattern
now
likely
to
be
considered,
without
an

                appreciation
 by
 the
leaders
 of
 our
 country
 of
 the
 power
 of
 this
 new
 weapon,
 would
 seem
to
 be

                unrealistic.
No
system
of
control
heretofore
considered
would
be
adequate
to
control
this
menace.

                Both
 inside
 any
 particular
 country
 and
 between
 the
 nations
 of
 the
 world,
 the
 control
 of
 this

                weapon
 will
 undoubtedly
 be
 a
 matter
 of
 the
 greatest
 difficulty
 and
 would
 involve
 such

                thoroughgoing
 rights
 of
 inspection
 and
 internal
 controls
 as
 we
 have
 never
 theretofore

                contemplated.
                7.
 Furthermore,
in
 the
light
of
our
 present
 position
with
 reference
 to
 this
weapon,
 the
question
of

                sharing
it
with
other
nations
and,
if
so
shared,
upon
what
terms,
becomes
a
primary
question
of

                our
foreign
relations.
Also
our
leadership
in
the
war
and
in
the
development
of
this
weapon
has

                placed
 a
 certain
 moral
 responsibility
 upon
 us
 which
 we
 cannot
 shirk
 without
 very
 serious

                responsibility
for
any
disaster
to
civilization
which
it
would
further.
                8.
 On
the
other
hand,
if
the
problem
of
the
proper
use
of
this
weapon
can
be
solved,
we
would
have

                the
 opportunity
 to
 bring
 the
 world
 into
 a
 pattern
 in
 which
 the
 peace
 of
 the
 world
 and
 our

                civilization
can
be
saved.
                9.
 As
stated
in
General
Groves’
report,
steps
are
under
way
looking
towards
the
establishment
of
a

                select
 committee
 of
 particular
 qualifications
 for
 recommending
 action
 to
 the
 executive
 and

                legislative
 branches
 of
 our
 government
 when
 secrecy
is
 no
longer
in
full
 effect.
 The
 committee

                would
 also
 recommend
 the
 actions
 to
 be
 taken
 by
 the
 War
 Department
 prior
 to
 that
 time
 in

                anticipation
of
the
postwar
problems.
All
recommendations
would
of
course
be
first
submitted
to

                the
President

              • One of many many quotes from one of the many committee reports / panels / etc. in the lead up:

                “Others emphasize the opportunity of saving American lives by immediate military use”

              • “The records from that time do not show such conversations.”

                Ummm…that’s just not true, but believe whatever you want.

                “The bomb was dropped for a strategic reason, and it was not because of Japan.

                It was because of Stalin and the Russians.”

                Which, if you actually read what I wrote, is pretty much what I’ve been saying. But to completely ignore there was any discussion of military rationale is just as foolish as completely ignoring the political rationale.

              • BF – you are being patently ridiculous and argumentative for absolutely no reason. In other words, par for the course.

              • So says the ignorant man when his ignorance is exposed.

              • Seriously, do you even bother reading what other people write??

                I’ve been the one arguing here that the bomb was NOT dropped out of military necessity. That there were over-arching issues at play.

                But clearly from the historical record there was some concern over saving American lives – I don’t see how you can say otherwise.

              • I say otherwise because there is no such document.

                You are messed up. Revisionists after the war had to manufacture some reason for the American public, who fully understood Japan had lost the war, and could not conceive of the necessity of blasting hundreds of thousands of innocent people in a nuclear fire when the war was already won.

                You cannot produce a shred of documentation to support your view.
                I have produced such documents, direct from the actors of the day.

                You pretend your ignorance somehow should be acceptable.

      • Re: Reparations
        Do I get compensated for the fact that both my wife and I had ancestors and relatives who fought, were wounded and died to end slavery? We had relatives at Gettysburg and Shiloh as well as many other battles. The CW and slavery ended 150 years ago. It is time to move on.

      • Baltimore is a perfect example……if I am reading correctly, Baltimore got a 1.5BILLION from the stimulus….it built nothing.

    • This white privilege garbage has been going on for a few years. Blacks should be highly insulted by it and should demand that an end be put to this kind of racial profiling. I have worked with plenty of intelligent, hard working blacks through my career. They were held to the same standards as everyone else and preformed to those standards. For schools to set lower standards for any ethnic or racial group should be called out by everyone.

  35. SUFA, new thread in the morning, all chats and subjects welcome. I did a short article to get things going, I hope 🙂

    • Stick with travel and food. Makes for a livelier discussion!

    • And coffee. Nothing better than sitting on the back deck in the morning listening to and watching all the birds and other creatures, sipping on a hot cup of joe, and smoking a cigar. 🙂

      • I really do not see the love affair with coffee……but an ice cold Dr.Pepper……now we’re talking….although, I am having to stay caffein free…..

        • I am not sure, but I think if you drink too much coffee, the side effect is ending up like Buck,,,liberal New Yorker…

          • Too much coffee?? I don’t understand.

            By the way, Rick, I prefer my cigars with a nice single malt. But definitely outside on the deck!

          • Ha Ha d13. There is no such thing as too much coffee. 🙂

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