Seeing the Obvious

divideI often wonder if the very smart people in this country are open minded enough to see the obvious.  I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not the smartest person on this site.  I am still in my lifelong learning phase, which will only end upon my death.  I like asking questions.  I like to question the “official story” when the story doesn’t fit what I see and read.  I’m often ridiculed for doing that.  I have no problem with that and hope that those that choose to ridicule will at least try to look at what we can, or cannot, see.

It’s Spring, YIPPEE!  It’s also a busy time for me.  It’s country music, hard work and lot’s of time outdoors, where I like to be.  After the rain moved on, I managed to get my new beans planted, tomorrow morning, I plant the potatoes.  I love this time of year because it brings new life!  I feel blessed that I can get the pictures I get and share with all of you.  I have found my nirvana and live it everyday!

It’s so cool that so much information is posted here on SUFA, it’s almost better than any media site, because we can lay it out and talk about it.  Today, it came to me that what we are reading and talking about isn’t what we think about, but it’s obvious.  To be clear, the obvious is right in front of all of us, it’s called DIVISION!  One of the interesting things about history, this is not new, just unseen because of all the distractions.  Let’s review some of the many ways the American people are being divided.

Left Wing vs. Right Wing.  Blacks vs. Whites.  Blacks vs. police.  Right Wing vs. gays.  Right wing vs woman (via feminists).  As documented, tea party, 2nd Amendment supporters, Constitutionalist’s, Libertarian’s and Ron Paul supporters vs. the government and the Left Wing (amongst many others) and the list can continue.  Shit, even bakers, photographers and pizza joints are under attack.  This my friends is a major effort at division.  Who would want this?  Why?  That’s the discussion!

I will say this.  When the government becomes so paranoid that they must spy on and control the people who elect them, then make every attempt to divide them, it is only because they have become rogue.  A divided populace cannot take down a rogue government without the military, which has been purged and weakened.  Yet another clue to what the future holds.  The actions of people concerning a military exercise is an indicator that the people have lost the trust of their government.

The question is, what’s next ?  If we can’t answer this question, we are doomed!



  1. @Buck, Dropping the bomb. If people would stop wanting to kill each other, we wouldn’t need a bomb. I have questioned that decision myself, then I realized, they started it. It all could have been avoided if people would have controlled their respective government’s better. Which we are failing miserably today. 🙂

    Maybe a new Amendment that states that the military can only be used in the defense (only) of the States and territories.


    Well now. Is this direct evidence of criminal wrongdoing by the Obama administration? Is a US Senator in deep poo poo? More importantly, will this even be investigated? Just more evidence of an out of control government.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      It might be, but not as presented by the author.

      For someone claiming to have irrefutable facts he does a lousy job of providing them in a format that would support his claims.

      Almost reads like one of those gloom and doom advertisements where they want you to buy a CD or some book to get the “inside story”.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I agree with you, poorly written. He may have been advised on what he could say, I have read about his IRS issues in the past, I do tend to believe his story, he had generally not been dishonest in the past. We shall see. 🙂


      This hits on the divisiveness issue somewhat. I would like to add something about the Jade Helm 15 military exercise. While I think it is simply what it’s called an exercise, I would like to remind folks that on 9-11-2001, the military was having an exercise that day too. The scenario was hijacked planes.

      • Interesting article. While, in my opinion, JH 15 is not JUST an exercise. Whether it’s conditioning for the citizens and\or the military or something else, I do not trust the government. If they admitted outright they were going to invade Texas…..I would probably believe that it was just an exercise. LOL 🙂

        • An interesting revelation about the Wal-mart closed in Oklahoma, reports (with video) shows US military vehicles patrolling the closed store.

  3. PAWNS UNITE!!! (comment meant to be meaningless)

    I had a FaceBook exchange with a liberal family member. Was pretty short, starting with Soros owing billions in back taxes. Their comment, that’s less than the Koch’s will donate this year. I posted back, they are #50 to his #19.

    An African-American friend was discussing Hillary vs Huckabee & she would be the one most likely to continue Obama’s policies… And that is where I can’t make any inroads with logic. Huck has said 90% of Americans are worse off under Obama. The ONE % is who he has helped to their determent. And yet those who suffer still support him and are lining up behind her. I think it was just announced, Exxon has dropped support for Hillary. So for years or decades, big oil that is used as the poster-child bad boy has supported the liberal/progressives. Must have been good for business….

  4. First of all, I noted that the Colonel mentioned in the previous post that he lost his Dad. My condolences sir.

    I am, as a knowledgeable but still amateur historian, awed by the generation previous to mine. These people saved the world. Despite the unparallelled destruction of the Second World War, one thing came out of it, that is almost never mentioned let alone praised.

    Those folks from 1939-1945 demonstrated what mankind is capable of accomplishing. Despite the creation of the two greatest killing machines ever seen on the planet, Germany and Japan, an unprepared, disorganized “free world” managed to defeat them in six years. It certainly was not luck nor major mistakes on the other side. It was intelligence and will.

    From a personal perspective, it is probably a result of acknowledging this that makes me so stubborn and impatient with people who say “we can’t” . We sure as hell can, be it a border fence, an end to racism or a Martian colony.

    So, as we lose that generation, one by one, let us pause and salute those unassuming folk for the blessings they gave us. Perhaps it is appropriate here to steal a few lines from John McRae’s poem.

    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    • Thank you sir…..he was 96. WWII vet. Coral Sea Campaign Star….Midway Campaign Star, Iwo Jima Campaign Star….Okinawa Campaign Star…..saw a lot of action. He was Navy…an Ensign promoted to Lieutenant (naval rank)…His ship was part of the Pacific Fleet early on…then for Iwo Jima and Okinawa, he was in charge of a fleet of LCVP’s (the boats that drove the Marines into the beach). Had two blown out from under him….survived all of that. He was a Naval Attache’ with the occupation force on Okinawa which took him to the countryside trying to convince Japanese civilians that “Americans do not eat Japanese”..Personally witnessed an entire village start committing suicide by various means. Lots of stories that I catalogued.

      • Oh, I didn’t catch this post. I’m so sorry D13. You’ve shared a lot of wonderful stories about your parents; my sincere sympathies to you and your family.

    • Also, you hit it right about WWII…..Bank President’s were privates in the ranks…….nobody had a class envy….it did not matter. That ethic has, unfortunately, disappeared.

  5. Gman,
    The populace, as they are, do not control government. Most people see government as a “good” in their lives; that it is the best system to solve human problems.

    Most people are very happy to abdicate responsibility to someone else. Those that seek power are more then willing to accept this responsibility. This is a ongoing human fault of the ages.

    Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king.

    He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights:

    He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.

    Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.

    He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.

    He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.

    He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.
    Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use

    He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.

    When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.

    But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us.
    Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.

    When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord.
    The Lord answered, “Listen to them and give them a king.”

    • Well said……..well said.

      • My sincere condolences on the loss of your father as well Colonel.

        • Thanks everyone….appreciate it.

        • Me too Colonel. Rest in peace D13 the elder. Happened to drive thru Fort Custer National Cemetery recently. Mostly WWII vets and their spouses. An entire ‘garden’ is dedicated to German POWs who were involved in a train/personel carrier accident. Big, beautiful place. Meticulously maintained. Really made me think that they were for sure the greatest generation and it’s sad that there are so few left. I’m thankful to all the vets resting there.

    • The populace, as they are, do not control government. Most people see government as a “good” in their lives; that it is the best system to solve human problems.

      No argument from me at all. Maybe by combining the number of deaths caused by government over the last Century into a lesson that shows that governments need to be controlled or eliminated. This would require a complete overhaul of the current governmental system, changing them from rulers to managers. Then again, despite all the facts out there on the evil’s of government, people will still show up at the voting booth to elect their next ruler.

      Here’s an interesting thought. In a hypothetical scenario where the 2016 elections are cancelled and Obama remains in office, there will be outrage. My question to that is simple. What difference does it make who their ruler is, they are still being ruled upon. A slave is a slave.

  6. Very good article-makes me think-we talk so much about oppression of minorities but I’m beginning to understand that it will be laws that try to stop oppression that will end up oppressing us all.

  7. gmanfortruth says:

    Just a thought. The DHS has determined that vets could be a danger, along with Constitutionalist’s and tea partiers etc. my question is….what could possibly be so horrible that it would cause vets to rise up ready for a shooting war?

  8. I want to get back to the A-bomb for a moment. These is something back there in the memory banks struggling to get out, something I heard a long, long time ago.

    If I remember correctly, back the the 1950’s there was a Soviet disinformation campaign being run in Japan on the bombs. The Soviets who were certainly a force to be reckoned with in those days made a pretty strong push in Asia and Latin America and stuff was floated by them as gospel truth. Part of what they tried to do in Japan was to convince the Japanese that it was racism that led to the use of the A-bombs.

    It may now seem hilarious but anyone familiar with the era can remember how they claimed we were using chemical and particularly germ warfare in Korea. POW’s were tortured to get them to say these things.

    I’d have to re-read all Dr. Tom Dooleys books about S.E. Asia to come up with the other propaganda being used. I do remember that the new rice strains we (USAID) tried to introduce were rejected because they were billed as “poison” by the Communists. I believe that Burdick and Lederer’s novel. “The Ugly American” based on their experiences in Asia go pretty deep into Agitprop and the cluelessness of the State Department. Fits quite nicely with Bernard Fall’s books on Viet-nam.

    I’d almost forgotten the other reason I was a psych major in college. Psy War, propaganda and brain washing (all big when I was growing up) always fascinated me.

    So anyway, in conclusion, I suspect that a lot of this “we didn’t need to drop the bomb stuff” comes out of Soviet dis-information and the old adage, “tell a lei often enough and it becomes the truth”.

    • SK,
      “So anyway, in conclusion, I suspect that a lot of this “we didn’t need to drop the bomb stuff” comes out of Soviet dis-information and the old adage, “tell a lei often enough and it becomes the truth”.”

      Nonsense. You are the one subjected to the big lie, that the bomb was “necessary”.

      Document and evidence has shown this to be a lie.

      It may be true that the powers of the day felt a threat by Soviet military power, and needed to supply a deterrent, even if it was imaginary, to forestall this perceived threat.

      But as time goes by, and access to documents from Russia and Western war archives, we now know that Stalin was in no position to exercise his conquest of Europe. Indeed, he feared the Western Allies would attack him, and with the focused might of the US non-nuclear arsenal, would be capable of defeating the Russians. The Western Allies, of course, did not know this about Stalin, nor did Stalin know about the fears of the Western Allies. The use of nukes merely confirmed Stalin’s fear. As such, both stayed their hands in a détente.

      What can be said is that the American power elite believed they needed to use the nuke. We can also say that many in that power elite did not believe they needed to use the nuke and were aghast by its implementation. This group did not prevail in the discussions.

      But we now know NOW it was unnecessary

      • First of all that is NOT what I said. You have a habit of answering questions that are not asked. I am pointing out a possible Soviet dis-information campaign. I am also pointing out that the Soviets wanted two of the home islands and that they actually came in the day after the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima.

        Now, I do not know what the Japanese were thinking and neither do you. I would imagine:
        1. Hiroshima 2. Soviet attack 3. Nagasaki got their attention.

        “Duty, A Father, His Son and the Man Who Won the War” by Bob Green is an excellent book on what was going on in the minds of folks that spring of ’45. We were not there.

        It is a known fact that Harry Truman was deliberately kept out of the inner circle by FDR. Harry was window dressing. FDR had no intention of dying and had to dump his socialist VP Wallace. When he died on April 12th, Truman was thrust into the Presidency. In the intervening few months you are trying to tell me he got up to speed on some giant conspiracy?

        I forget what interview I was watching forty or so years ago with a member of MacArthur’s staff. When the bomb was dropped he was in a planning meeting for the invasion. His comment was “fine” and he went back to his planning for that invasion. Obviously he too was kept out of the conspiracy loop.

        There are “documents and evidence” for everything up to and including us starting the war by deliberately provoking the rapists of China into attacking us. Pretty good evidence on that one yet it is all BS. What happened happened and unless several somebodies who were there stand up and give us chapter and verse, the facts speak for themselves.

        • We do know what the Japanese were thinking. We have their war archives.
          They had been trying to surrender for months, and were rebuffed as they refused to agree to any imposition or risk to the Emperor, even after the bombs.

          It was MacArthur who finally convinced the Allies to exclude the Emperor, and Japan surrendered. How much carnage could have been avoided if that was accepted months before.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            That does not change the “reasons” for dropping the bomb.

            Only the Monday morning analysis that IF we had done this then fewer people die.

            But TOTAL WAR was ongoing and COMPLETE SURRENDER was the goal. In the end, the war stopped but we did not achieve all our goals. Because one was to eliminate the emperor in Japan.

            You are also ignoring information in those same archives which showed the split among the Japanese leaders regarding surrender.

            I have never met a WWII vet who was sitting on ships waiting to invade Japan that had a single regret about dropping those bombs. So maybe we should listen to what they said and accept it for what it was.

            We can learn from it and hopefully avoid the same actions in the future. But to claim after the fact that the very ideas, notions and beliefs of those making the decisions did not exist is utterly ridiculous. No matter what you pick from the archives. Which are always so absolutely truth revealing, Sarcasm Off.

            • As if a soldier has any clue to the circumstances that swirled around him… geez. As if he’d saying anything else, even if the Japanese did not surrender….

              Total war and unconditional surrender is an evil doctrine.
              One has an absolute duty to review the past action – otherwise, like you, you merely continue to duplicate the error. It was a radically poor decision, made by men whose motives were incredibly suspect.

              • Ya know, Pershing warned that the “armistice” with Germany was merely a time out. Foch concurred. Unconditional Surrender means just that. 2nd time out we got it right with Germany and the results speak for themselves.

                I love the stuff about the Emperor. While allowing him to remain may be seen as less than the unconditional surrender we demanded of Japan. His Imperial balls were cut off! That, my friend is what we were fighting for.

              • Sorry to possibly gross out some but as a follow up, what document indicating the Japanese were willing to surrender do you see the Imperial Court angling for a voluntary castration?

                They wanted to retain the Emperor as is.


          “…in [July] 1945… Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. …the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

          “During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude…”

          In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

          “…the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”


          (Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman)
          “It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

          “The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.”


          MacArthur biographer William Manchester has described MacArthur’s reaction to the issuance by the Allies of the Potsdam Proclamation to Japan: “…the Potsdam declaration in July, demand[ed] that Japan surrender unconditionally or face ‘prompt and utter destruction.’ MacArthur was appalled. He knew that the Japanese would never renounce their emperor, and that without him an orderly transition to peace would be impossible anyhow, because his people would never submit to Allied occupation unless he ordered it. Ironically, when the surrender did come, it was conditional, and the condition was a continuation of the imperial reign. Had the General’s advice been followed, the resort to atomic weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki might have been unnecessary.”

          William Manchester, American Caesar: Douglas MacArthur 1880-1964, pg. 512.

          Norman Cousins was a consultant to General MacArthur during the American occupation of Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, “MacArthur’s views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed.” He continues, “When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor.”

          • Yes and strategic bombing of Germany had no major effect in WW 2. I’ve read the quotes there too. Does not matter.

          • dale A Albrecht says:

            So in conclusion….is there the real possibility that if Japan had NOT done a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, vengence regardless of the remaining years of brutal warfare, might have been put aside? No discussion about the idiots, Adm Kimmel and Gen. Short and their shortcomings (no pun intended). Or was it more politically driven to “INTIMIDATE”, obviously not the Japanese, but the Russians.

            • Short and Kimmel were scapegoats. Gen. Short was short sighted with respect to air power and should have had planes in the air on a continuous basis. Instead he was spending time in the weeks leading up to 12/7 training much of the air-corps to be infantry. Adm. Kimmel was cut out of the communications loops but did in fact order naval probes into the area NW of the islands the weekend before only to be ordered to bring the ships back into harbor. About 1 month before 12/7, a presidential war alert was issued. Orders signed by FDR were posted on the bulletin board at Wheeler Field ( the air-corps fighter HQs). Air-corps personnel were issued sidearms, ammo and told to load and chamber a shell. The planes were dispersed on the field, many in netted bunkers. They were armed and warmed up periodically. No passes were issued during this period. On the weekend of Nov. 30th, the Honolulu paper headlines read “Japan to Attack Next Weekend.” On 12/5 the war alert orders were rescinded and the air crews and planes disarmed. The were ordered to line the planes up in front of the hangers for a generals and admirals inspection of the island scheduled for Sat. morning. (What general of admiral would rescind a presidential war alert to hold an inspection?) The fighter planes were lined up precisely wingtip to wingtip so many inches apart with propellers aligned using a string. The men were on the parade ground Sat. morning for the inspection which did not occur. At this time they were issued passes to go to town for the first time in about 1 month. Obviously many got drunk. There was no mention of sabotage. Dad went into town and saw the movie serial Don Winslow in the Navy, The Attack on Pearl Harbor. He woke up early Sunday morning, dressed in class A’s for church and stepped out of his tent between hangers 2 and 3. He was about 40 ft from the lined up airplanes. Seconds later all hell broke loose.

              MacArthur was not cut out of the Washington communications and did have several hours warning since dawn in the Philippines occurs after it does in Hawaii. He too got caught with his air-corps on the ground and should have been court martialed for that error.

            • Black Flag® says:

              First, it wasn’t a sneak attack. Documents show that the US knew in advance, and allowed it to happen.

              I would say the use of nukes was to dissuade Russians from advancing into Western Europe. The West had no spies in Russia that would have informed them that Stalin had no such plans and was indeed fearful of Western advance into Eastern Europe.

              Regardless it was evil – to slaughter innocent people so to scare Stalin.

              • dale A Albrecht says:

                What was drummed continually through the war and after….call it what you may…The question was….if all the protocal had been followed do you feel there would have been the vengeful cry of “remember pearl Harbor” akin to “remember the alamo”? Generally wasn’t Hitler just a little bent out of shape by Japan’s actions. Germany’s and Italy’s mistake by signing the treaty which compelled them to declare war on the US after Japan attacked. But now the lid was blown off and the US could throw everything it had into the conflict. Could the British empire have survived if we weren’t involved? Would Hitler have attacked Russia at that time if they knew what Japan was going to do? Or did they get suckered into a trap from which they were not ultimately going to win? Japan probably could have attained all their asian goals by by-passing the Phillipines.

              • Black Flag® says:

                What was drummed continually through the war and after….call it what you may…The question was….if all the protocal had been followed do you feel there would have been the vengeful cry of “remember pearl Harbor” akin to “remember the alamo”?”

                No doubt the government utilized the myth of “surprise attack” upon the people of the time, as the people did not know of the machinations behind the power to aggravate the US into war. Had they known, FDR would have been hung.

                “Generally wasn’t Hitler just a little bent out of shape by Japan’s actions.”
                Actually, no. He had a pact with Japan that he believed would invoke Japan to attack Russia and relieve Germany. He was wrong. The pact did exist, and it had a number of requirements, one being the occupation of Moscow. Hitler did not think this was important, given the gains everywhere else. Japan used this loop hole to not declare war on Russia, even though Hitler completed his part by declaring war on the USA.

                “Could the British empire have survived if we weren’t involved?”
                Certainly. Ex-British colonies all came to aid England. It would have been bad, but Hitler had no real desire to attack Britain as he saw her as a natural ally. Remember, the Battle of Britain was long over before the US entered the war.

                “Would Hitler have attacked Russia at that time if they knew what Japan was going to do?”
                Yes. The Japanese strategy was not a necessary part of his plan. He invaded in Summer 1941, 6 months before the Pacific war. He did not measure the Japanese involvement at all in his plans for Russia other than the Japanese threat tied down 3 million Russian troops in Siberia.

                Japan achieved 100% of their goals within a week of Pearl Harbor. They had Dutch Indonesia, destroyed the British Navy, taken Hong Kong and thought they had destroyed the US navy, were in control of the Philippines and bombing Australia from New Guinea.

                In their minds, they had won. All that was left was to negotiate a settlement. It never came.

              • dale A Albrecht says:

                What if Japan had not attacked the US? They got the resources they needed as you said weeks after Dec 7th anyway. Those resources were not in the Phillipines….what if the Japanese had not shown such brutality and blooded their swords by taking inferior peoples heads off, they might have pulled off getting the colonials out of asia. The Russian were not particularly thrilled with Stalin after Ukraine, the purges etc. If the SS had not been so ruthless in eliminating “inferiors” they may have gained allies not enemies….So we’ve shown the outcome of what happens to a Master Race….isn’t our obsession with Democracy for all whether they want it or not and willing to go to war and forment revolutions over it not lead to the same ultimate ending? Hitler, Tojo, made a lot of assumptions and suppositions and lost. Are we not following the same path in a way? Assuming secular governments and democracy is fit for all peoples. It seems the opposite is occuring.

              • “What if Japan had not attacked the US? They got the resources they needed as you said weeks after Dec 7th anyway.”

                You have your cause and effect backwards.
                Japan could not get such resources, they were embargoed by the US. The US put an embargo on Dutch East Indian oil to Japan. It was this action that caused Japan to put to war with the US.

                So to get the oil, the US would need to be attacked. So, to attack the US – who by every measure was militarily mightier then Japan – Japan believed if it could strike an early, decisive blow, would cause the US to enter into negotiations; negotiations the US had actively ignored in the months prior to the war.

                So the Japanese figured it had to take out the US fleet, and the US stronghold in the Pacific, the Philippines.

                To do that, it also needed to suppress the powerful British navy in the Pacific seeing that Britain and the US were essentially allies. So further plans to strike Hong Kong, Singapore and isolate Australia as well as engage the vulnerable Pacific British battleships before reinforcements, ships that were left unguarded as the British had shifted most of her Pacific sea and air power to the Battle of the Atlantic.

                It was a series of dominoes: “If we need this, we need to do that, and to do that, we need to do this”

                Japan’s culture regarding war was particularily savage. But so was all the participants in the region – Chinese were just as savage, as were the Russians. You should read some of the accounts in 1936 to 1938 of the battles between these groups in Manchuria. Utterly brutal.

                Yes, American exceptional-ism is a very dangerous disease, and will be the undoing of Western culture.

              • dale A Albrecht says:

                My honest opinion…is Japan should have been dealt with a full decade before, over their actions in China and Korea. But who were we to really complain when we as a policy were running gunboats on a sovereign nations waterways ourselves. They could have gotten everything via trade and everyone would have been richer. But once they took their course of action, they got what they deserved. The saying that “you reap what you sow” holds true. My feeling is that we as the US will also suffer the consequenses of our actions. I don’t know if our nation would know fair trade even if it was gift wrapped and delivered. I can go down lists of countries that had been at one time favorable to our presence but with the collusion of our business leaders, government and their opposite numbers in other countries have created an ever growing mountain of ill-will among the people.

              • In 1928, Syria petitioned the League of Nations to have the USA rule the country. Syria saw the US in such a favourable light.

                A survey done across Europe and the Middle East in 2010, with some 100,000 respondents, was asked “What is good about America?”.

                94% responded: “Nothing”

          • Gentlemen:

            In his own handwritten words 12/45. Pay particular attention to pages 10 and 11.


            Perhaps he was only a tool……..

            Sure, HST, Never!

  9. Still waiting on my challenge…..what did we use in Vietnam that caused more casualties than both bombs combined dropped on Japan in WWII.? AND, the use of this did not shorten the war one single minute.

    • 18.2 million gallons of Agent Orange (Dioxin) was sprayed by the U.S. military over more than 10% of Southern Vietnam as part of the U.S. herbicidal warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand, during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971. Vietnam’s government claimed that 400,000 people were killed or maimed as a result of after effects, and that 500,000 children were born with birth defects.

      • Very good…..notwithstanding the Allied casualties. Herbicide was designed to strip triple canopy jungle of all vegetation. As of today, the estimated Dioxin contaminations of dead, maimed, and birth deflects is over 1.8 million people and still counting. ( Allied and locals combined ) which includes birth defects in the US….that will be passed on…..more than long term radiation in Japan after WWII.

        • dale A Albrecht says:

          My neighbor is a Vietnam veteran who is stuggling with the cancer caused by “agent orange”

  10. dale A Albrecht says:

    C:\Documents and Settings\Dale A\My Documents\My Pictures\Fish market in Palermo after the tonnara.jpg

    This is just a test to see if this function works. It is not a continuation of the food discussion.

    • It didn’t work.

      But more importantly, what’s wrong with continuing the food discussion?

      • Okay-I want to know why restaurateurs from up north or wherever- come to the south and sell fried fish but do not know that they must in a southern town also offer hush puppies. Do they not have hush puppies in other parts of the country? Do they not do research ?

        Sorry that’s all I got 🙂

        Except-you guys must really love that one particular restaurant and steak. I figured a cost of at least 62 Bucks round trip just to get to the restaurant and that was without gas.

        Got a great place right around the corner, wonderful steaks and all the trimmings-last time I went I believe it was about 40 bucks a person and no toll booths-how the heck do the poor manage all these toll charges do they just not drive?

        • $62 bucks to get there?? How do you figure — $17 plus gas….

          • Some one said $15 for a toll and than another $16 for something else multiply that by 2=$62. If I misunderstood -Sorry

            • Ah — the toll for the tunnel is $14 (but $0 on the return trip) (and cheaper if using ez-pass). To get to $17 I added a few bucks for the NJ Turnpike.

              • Okay, I was just messing with you anyway-Enjoy your steak 🙂

              • By the way – hushpuppies are delicious…but no, they just aren’t a big thing here…

              • dale A Albrecht says:

                Two years ago when I last drove up through NE 4500 miles with all the side trips from NC…the biggest mistake was to NOT get an EZ-pass. There is only one small new road in the RTP area that is a toll and very easy to avoid, so one forgets about those types of roads. However, hit DC and the stretch heading due north towards Bethesda etal is free unless you get off. DO not forget cash and carry some small bills. It’ll be like hitting the jackpot with all the coins dispensed on the automated booths.

                I always appreciated the difference between the toll booth operators in Italy and the US, especially the NY metro area. When they go out on strike the object is to get more pay or better working conditions for both parties. However the Italians instead of BLOCKING the highway and totally pissing off the people like they do here, they instead would wave you through and you’d drive free. There was always a possibility that the would settle and resume work while you were motoring along. They had that worked out. They knew precisely how long they were on strike, you wouldn’t. They’d just ask were you got on. They’d know about how long it’d take to get to their booth. Don’t BS them or they’d hit you with a full toll assuming you just tore up the ticket. Tell the truth and they’d just wave you through. Object was to screw the government NOT the people.

              • I remember one time I had a loaner when my car was in the shop. Of course I left my ez pass in the car. I get to the first bridge and go straight to ez pass. Cop comes up, I tell him what happened, he starts laughing, takes my $5, presses a button so the toll arm goes up and pockets the money as I drive by.

                I get to the GWB and of course, as a matter of habit, go straight to the ez pass lane. Cop there laughs, takes my money (he actually gave it to a toll operator) and lifts the arm.

                I get to the NJ Turnpike — thank god I remembered to go to the other lane and grab a ticket!! Wouldn’t want to explain that one on the other end and be forced to pay the maximum amount!

              • dale A Albrecht says:

                So what was your credit card bill for usage on your ez-pass when you got your car back, alla “Ferris Bueller’s day off” and the milage on the ferrari.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            That is still MORE than I pay for a great Steak with all the fixins.

            It blows my mind what some folks pay for FOOD. And I am not immune. I am captured from time to time and tricked into suffering this economic idiocy. I am told it is for the atmosphere. I think it is really a high price to avoid cooking and doing the dishes.

            • Yes it’s expensive, but it’s well worth it — a great steak, great company (hopefully) and great atmosphere.

              I love cooking, but sometimes going out is just what is needed!

              • dale A Albrecht says:

                I’ve had some memorable meals out. Unfortunately I can’t remember the names of the restaurants names except one. But I could walk to their doors.
                1) Naxos Giardini Sicily on the beach. From antipasti-espresso, in between a grilled seafood platter which included shellfish. All brought into the beach by the fisherman. for (4) 75 euros all inclusive.
                2) The Schiller in Amsterdam on the Rembrant Plein. A chilled seafood platter, all mollusks and crustaceans. Price obscene but worth it. The waiter asked if they could take the liberty to order all the drinks, appetizers and after dinner stuff…with them paying for that. The platter still cost me was 200 euros. The overall total package and ambiance was worth it. The waiters were so professional it was like watching a ballet. For other meals each was a work of art unto themselves. The founded WWI time period by an artist.
                3) A french restaurant on the west side. After a Broadway show. One of the most extensive wine lists I’ve ever seen. The beauty though you could get any one of them by the glass so the entire party didn’t have to have the same thing. Excellent food. The waiters though FRENCH were not snooty and extremely professional, very relaxing. Price for (7) My girlfriend’s son said when he looked at the menu ” Dale, you’re in trouble. there’s no prices”

                Unfortunately here in eastern NC it is a wasteland for good cuisine. Here in town there are only 2 good bistros. The rest are useless. Beaufort 2 small good places but to go down east its a 100 mile round trip. And I live 1/2 block from the water. In Wilmington the best place is a seafood dive with brown paper on the tables and rows of harley’s outside.

              • Try to find the name of that French place in NYC!!

                I can think of quite a list of places in the City…but outside:

                1) Some cafe in Montemarte, Paris – best steak tartare I’ve ever head. Can’t recall the name but could find it in a heartbeat.

                2) Greek taverna down an alley in Athens – again, can’t remember the name but could direct you thee. Great ouzo and live music – no tourists except us!

                3) Husk in Charleston – deep fried chicken skins (yes, skins) with honey hot sauce. enough said

                4) Amada in Philly

                5) The Chairman in Homg Kong – probably the best meal I’ve ever had. If you find yourself in HK, do not miss this place.

                I could go on, but I’m just making myself hungry…

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Memorable meals out……….other than those I cooked over a fire while watching the sun set on the Rocky Mtns.

                1. Moreton Bay Bugs in Gold Coast, Australia. Don’t remember the restaurant name but wound up eating with a family sitting next to us. Viet Nam vet and his family who had not seen many Yanks since the war. Perhaps the most hospitable and friendly people I have ever met. Offered to take my friend and I golfing the best courses for a week. We played one but declined the long term offer. My friend remained pen pals with one of them for several years.

                2. Brazed Lamb Shank served on Polenta and smothered with burgundy gravy. Basque place in downtown Boise, Idaho. Sadly, they don’t serve this dish this way anymore. And it is not as good.

                3. Roasted Duck with cherry jubilee, the Gamekeeper in Boise, Idaho.

                4. Abalone with roasted asparagus, wild rice, The Jubilee outside Reno, Nevada This place is long gone.

                5. Cajun Blackened Prime Rib with baked tater, all the fixins, Caesar Salad, roasted baby carrots along with a bottle of Carono’s Merlot. The Depot, Missoula, Montana

                You guys are right about one thing. It is not just great food that make it memorable. All of the above were exceptional when it came to the food. But they all included GREAT company.

              • dale A Albrecht says:

                I used to have the tools to prepare dinner from 45-65 people. I tried to alway take the quests on a culinary journey. Like start in Morocco, head into spain, cross to central america and finish with SW native american desert. All fusing their influences as the tour progressed….North Africa-Sicily-Greece-Turkey. Really hacked off the hostess on that one. It was her baby shower dinner. But the baby was already here. she was Turkish from Tarsus, and Mom was in. The daughter was mad because Mom was not wanting to eat the food in the US. They were trying everything. I cooked and Mom was like a starving college student and boarding house reach. Couldn’t fill her up…..Did a 21st bithday party for a Colombian girl. Her Mother wanted me to cater the party. 45-50 people all Colombian. The food was all Colombian. There was NOTHING left. The quests were always asking Maria who did the cooking, because it couldn’t have been her. She’d point to me the “white” guy in the room.

              • Without great company, it is merely a meal.

              • dale A Albrecht says:

                Before I forget…the “Berkeley” in Seattle. Most excellent Puget sound seafood. NOT a tourist place.

                So far the only disagreements in this discussion have been beans in Chili, Coffee and Hush Puppies…..I notice nobody feels K-rations, MRE’s or any other military dining experience rank among the favorites. Or survival training culinary excellence, rattlesnake’s not bad….But I will name one experience. The NCO club at Keesler AFB. had the best crab stuffed (whole) flounder I’ve ever eaten. Including my own. I can get the just caught flounder, Live crab and pick the meat myself, but I just haven’t been able to match the chefs combination of seasonings.

              • dale A Albrecht says:

                My Father kept a rolodex with all the restaurants and what he’d eaten during all his travels around the world. Somewhere it did get lost in their last move, It would have been a great thing to have around. We did find the menus of where he ate in SF while stationed at TI during WWII.

                So Buck…do you put Colombian or Ethiopian beans in your chili?

              • 🙂

              • By the way, love the idea of a restaurant/meal Rolodex. I just may need to start one…

              • dale A Albrecht says:

                If I was traveling to an area where he had been I’d ask him about the restaurants. During his business travels, he’d have evenings where he was not wined and dined by the hosts and left to his own devices. he said usually he’d just ask the cabbie where he would eat and take his family to. Obviously not La Tour D’argent type places but nice bistros.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Hush Puppies………..bought a pair once but they were not as comfortable as advertised.

          Went right back to my cowboy boots and “smoke jumpers”.

          • 🙂 Now I looked up smoke jumpers and it wasn’t something you wear.

          • Cannot do hush puppies! I don’t know what that is inside em, but it’s to damn dry and tasteless. I’d rather eat a cracker. 🙂

            • 🙂 Maybe you need a different recipe. I have had great hush puppies and “what the heck is this” hush puppies.

              • Now I don’t like coffee-loveeeeee the smell of coffee! But am just horrified by all the new coffee favored food items. Now brownies are my absolute favorite sweet-came across Mocha flavored brownies the other day-it actually wasn’t bad-but I’m thinking that’s because it would be hard to make a bad brownie-but totally not necessary and a fudge brownie is soooo much better.

              • Wow! I’m not alone. Don’t like coffee either but I love the smell. Have a coffee maker and keep coffee stocked for company,! Also don’t do sweets…except brownies.. Cakes,cookies, If I could just let loose of this Mountain Dew bottle! Yes, my name is Anita, and I’m addicted to Dew. And for the steaks everyone is talking about…it’s ribeye on charcoal, medium!

      • dale A Albrecht says:

        Nothing at all….just tried a method of data transfer…I just can’t indulge in a very passionate subject, ie well prepared and presented food today.

  11. Another subtle way to divide us-Nothing like intentionally putting a stupid idea into peoples minds.

    • dale A Albrecht says:

      Take Mozart for a moment. Music is an art form. His most lasting and successful operas were written and peformed for the poor unwashed masses. The RICH elites didn’t appreciate his works as much. To this day Mozart holds the record for the most unique melody strings. 2nd Lennon and McCartney

  12. @ Buck…it is impossible to have an intelligent food conversation with anyone that puts beans in chili….

    • Hey, I happen to like beans in my chili-but I do like my steak medium rare.

      • dale A Albrecht says:

        VH…where in the south?

        • Tennessee-right outside of Memphis

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            Great barbecue

            My ribs go as follows. The rub is salt, black pepper, red pepper flakes and some olive oil. Wrap overnight. Bring to room temperature before smoke/grilling. Charcoal only indirect heat very hot. When the ribs go on, throw a handfull of bourbon soaked oak wood chips (dry) in each coal basket. Close lid. 1/2 hour, flip additional 1/2 hour. The ribs will have just enough smoke and will come off the bone with a little resistance. I serve sauce on the side. Preferably “Bone Suckin Sauce” either mild or hot, each to their own preference.

            Spare Ribs, untrimmed preferred. Just remove most of the silverskin on the underside. Next Baby Back Ribs. Smithfield’s new owners are cutting them so they are well worth the price, especially when the stores do a two for one sale. St Louis Ribs….trimmed up Spare Ribs cheap and aren’t worth the effort at any price.

            Not to leave out Texas…Beef Ribs are a nice change-up, preferably getting them after the butcher cuts the rack of ribs off to make ribeye steaks.

    • dale A Albrecht says:

      Just pulling legs here….Sir, Buck never said what type of beans he likes in his chili. Maybe coffee beans per chance?. for me, beans never, but I’ve in some batches have used Hominy. It’s a bit like adding Masa but with texture.

  13. Don’t know whether to laugh or scream-a democrat actually telling members of the Federal government that they should stay out of local affairs.

  14. Silly me, I thought this was settled along time ago-should have known better-the thugs will never give up-I believe they just passed a regulation saying the Union can get in touch with individuals -which means the thug patrol will be out intimidating the workers. Not that they didn’t contact them anyway but this makes it easy and legal.

  15. dale A Albrecht says:

    Did anyone catch that the government lost its appeal in the “2nd Federal Court of Appeals” concerning the continuing collection of phone records without warrants. It’s said that Congress is scrambling to figure out a way to be able to continue the meta data collection with the Patriot Act coming up for renewal. Anyone that has any preconceived notion that the republicans or democrats do not wish to continue the NSA programs are highly mistaken.

    • I read this-which says basically that it is illegal but it doesn’t matter because Congress gets to decide-Funny Congress doesn’t seem to get to decide in gay marriage cases-what’s the difference.

      • dale A Albrecht says:

        My take is that the interpretation to be able to use mass data collection is illegal, only because the process is NOT specifically defined in the provision of the law. So all congress has to do is buck up the law with some details and it will be all well and good in the eyes of the court.

        Reason I feel that way is the SCOTUS has ruled that once correspondance leaves your personal possession it’s public therefore open to the government view without warrant. I think I have the gist of the ruling a few years ago.

        • I suspect your right but I wonder what question exactly, the court was asked to answer. Buck taught me what question was asked was real important in these things.But to not ask about the Constitutional aspect seems stupid.

          • dale A Albrecht says:

            It’s like getting a straight answer from a teenager. You have to ask very specific questions. Simple ones 1st and then build upon the answer. Just like piecing a case together.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              The Const. issue is WARRANTS. So the challenge for Congress is to address the need for Warrants that cover broad collection of data.

              I expect they will write language that is narrower but basically pass to the Agencies to develop the details via Regulations. Which will spur another round of lawsuits.

    • Yep….waiting for the text to hit so I can read it. On the surface it looks harmless….but will read it.

    • So what happens, like getting a “cue” on the set of a movie? The FBI comes out and says there are thousands of ISIS fighters in the US with orders to…get this bit of drama….KILL KILLL KILL! That’s right folks, just like a bad horror flick, does anyone else see thru this garbage?

  16. Ah, another way they are trying to divide us-People are stealing everybody else’s culture.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Culture is as culture does!

      • I have asked myself-what is white culture-I come up with a total blank.

        • Maybe we just don’t claim our culture as our culture. I wanted to claim blue jeans but I’m not sure we can-it was supposedly invented by either a Russian or a German, found accounts that claimed both, but Levi Strauss patented it and produced it-So all you people out there only white people can wear Blue jeans and maybe Germans and Russians. Take that! Seriously how silly can you get!

        • Culture:
          Indeed. Within a few generations, you have lost any concept of what the White Culture has.
          It is a testament to the collapse of principles.

        • White Culture? Gershwin is probably a good example. Van Gogh? English common Law? The Corvette? Barbecue? Maybe a couple hundred thousand more.

  17. Looks like the Federal is gonna by pass the states and just demand this be done through the schools.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      And apparently Culture Does…… as it is told to do by the Feds!!

      • Probably-but you never know-when it comes to people’s children they sometimes react strongly. I do wonder just how far people can be pushed before they basically say screw it and fight, come what may.

        • V.H.
          You are one mentally funny person.
          You post such things as it relates to you, but you do not understand the same sentiment applied to other people, like the Palestinians. You ascribe to them something different.

  18. What’s that old saying-a good deed never goes unpunished.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      The discriminatory practices of lending have been documented when it comes to banks. I do not have first hand knowledge but don’t doubt the FHA was guilty of the “red lining”. What is not clear to me is that this was “just Black” or if it was about not investing in high risk areas.

      The FHA/Banks identify areas where investments return does not cover the risk. They draw a line around it and do not loan within said area. You see the Catch 22 created when the race baiters come along and claim it is the policy holding back the people.

      But here again cause and effect do not necessarily line up. If not for the “policies” what proof do we have that people would have been able to borrow money anyway? Who would have been the borrowers and for what purpose?

      Remember, when good housing became obviously scares the Govt came along with “Housing Projects” which then turned to new ghettos. The Govt also flooded the areas with other money, welfare as we know it. All this makes me wonder about how the “lack of lending” CAUSED anything relative to the blighted city neighborhoods. And as we discussed before the militant movement combined with drugs would still have occurred and still would have destroyed these areas. Because they were not all blighted before that event but they are now.

      Another thing to remember is the modern response to banks lending money to people in these areas. Now the banks are racist because they “targeted” the poor people with ARM loans and “stole their homes”. The result of this new lending pretty much confirms the RISK theory of the lenders in the 40’s and 50’s.

      Now we are subjected to belittling each day about the institutionalized racism that caused the inner city problem. They just need investment and jobs. At the same time when this does happen the same radicals start howling about “Gentrification” of their neighborhoods. Can’t have middle class white people moving in and spending their money. Heaven forbid that property values might rise and income increase, both of which are pre-requisite to drawing in New Investment that will further stimulate jobs.

      Kind of makes you wonder if those doing all the talking in front of the cameras really want to help or just want the power that comes from being the local “community organizer”.

      • The term is red lining and it is insidious. I can, as a frigging expert (hear that Charlie!) lay out five reasons for the deterioration of the Bronx and Central Brooklyn and redlining is one but only one. Good property owners and prospective property owners were denied refinancing on multi-family buildings that they had owned for decades. The lack of financing forced many to sell far below value and take back purchase money mortgages (a whole other disaster). In multiple cases that I tracked, owners were denied refinancing one day only to have their phone ring the next with an offer to buy the “distressed” property for dimes on the dollar. Collusion between the bank mortgage officers and real estate speculators. Buy me a beer and I will clue you in on who.

        There is NEVER a one size fits all solution to a problem.

        • Great post! This is quite interesting as why we have the problems. The big question is….did anyone in the government push for this? I bet if there was some digging, it would be “because” of the government. Let’s dig!

          • The red lining was entirely the banks fault. One of eh ways it was broken in NYC was to link bank lending in these areas with other things the banks wanted from the state. Short example, Savings Banks wanted to offer checking accounts. The lending was later done through a consortium which spread the risk. The state guaranteed the mortgages but unlike Freddie and Fannie, the buildings had to be fairly appraised and the owner had to have significant equity.

            When problems first arose with Freddie & Fannie it was because there were no solid guidelines on appraisals and the loan to value ratios were all screwed up. You would not believe some of the comparables that crossed my desk in those days. there was miniscule equity too.

            I love the topic. Say you bought something for $ 200,000 got it appraised by using fake comparables for $ 900,000 went to Freddie to borrow $ 500,000 and claimed you had $ 400,000 equity. Worked like a charm till the lid blew in ’89. Then of course the property was foreclosed and eventually re-sold for the $ 200,000 it was worth! With roughly a five year hiatus, the cycle started again in the mid ’90’s and culminated in 2006-08.

            The moral of the story was, when the programs were run locally we caught the crooks. You got promotions at Freddie for putting money on the street. Private bankers got promotions for putting money on the street, packaging the loans and selling them to Freddie. My experience (personal) with the Washington DC crowd was that they were clueless and arrogant. The Albany crowd were street smart.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      My computer has been resisting me opening up this link all day. My feeling is that anytime anyone creates group identifications, by race, gender etc and then set policies to affect change one way or another are aiding and abetting bigotry and racism, the very thing that they are condemming.

      Isn’t the city of Baltimore being just a bit disingenuous by calling in the Feds to investigate racism and violation of civil rights by their police dept. Liberal/white and black administrations from way back. It’s a bit like the old euphonism of “who’s calling the kettle black”

  19. I do not pay much attention to football but would someone tell me why someone like Brady would ruin his reputation by intentionally using footballs that are not inflated to the standard.

    • Because he thought he could get away with it, AGAIN. The Colts were “warned” by the Ravens, who played the patriots a week earlier. The Colt’s then informed the NFL, who, at halftime tested the balls. When it’s cold, as it was those games, it’s a little easier to throw and catch a “softer” ball that isn’t as hard as a rock. The fact that there is a rule in place on the minimum and maximum PSI shows that this was an issue at some point in the past. Rules are rules, just like laws are laws. At least the media can get off all of Hillary’s baggage for awhile, LOL 🙂

  20. is also sharing DNA with government, without the consent of their customers. License plate readers being put in cacti, along with all the other stuff. When the government goes to these length’s to spy on their citizenry, freedom no longer exists. Orwell’s 1984 is slapping all of us in the face.

  21. Well, there are things that just must be seen and this is one of them:


    Still waiting for the death threats, but they’ll come.

  23. Ok……I have a question for you legal scholars……

    CAIR is sponsoring a National Tour featuring Imam Siraj Wahhaj. This Imam is attending private functions in rented school buildings and convention centers. In his speech, which should be hate speech in my opinion, he openly cites the Koran as the divine truth for the whole world and disbelievers need to repent or die, he openly preaches hate and rebellion and the over throw of the United States. He openly preaches that Sharia Law courts need to be established within the United States not subject to US Laws because Westernized Muslims are being brain washed and have fallen from grace with Allah. He preaches stoning, rape, and honor killings.

    So here is my question,,,,,why is it ok for this Imam to travel the country preaching this type of crap sponsored by CAIR. ( I recommend that some of you go to the CAIR site and read what they are trying to do )…..why is this protected speech and no one is stepping forward to say it is wrong and it needs to stop because of its potential to create violence.

    Then, you have Ms. Gellam that has a private function that draws funny caricatures of different people. Everybody thinks that the only caricatures they draw depict mohammed…but that is simply not true. Why is the news media condemning Ms. Gellam for drawing these things, which does not depict, rape, honor killings, Sharia Law and overthrow of the United States governement? Why is what she is doing wrong? We all know the reason behind it….but it seems to me that if we allow open preaching of rebellion and advocating violence, drawing caricatures shouldbe a snap. I wonder what Doonsbury woud say?

    So, which is more provacative?

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I’m not a legal scholar, but until there is an official hunting season, there isn’t much we can do but protest at each event.

    • D13,
      You do not understand Freedom of Speech.
      Freedom of Speech is unnecessary for words that you agree with.
      It is absolutely necessary for words you do not agree with.

      The purpose of Free Speech allows those whose ideas are suspect and bizarre to get a hearing. In that hearing, the people evaluate the ideas and dispense with them, putting to rest the idiots who spoke them.

      Suppressing idiots speeches gives them access to the moral high ground – that their words are true, and need to be suppressed by power because they are true.

      The best way to make idiots gain traction is to try to suppress the idiots.
      The best way to make idiots go away is to allow them to speak so to prove their idiocy.

      • I think you misunderstood… and I are on the same page unless you disagree that both things are freedom of speech…..its the pundits I do not understand.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Good morning Sir. Hope all is well and my sincere condolences. I was wondering how your Pop was doing, sadly now I know.

      You missed the target my friend. The lack of public media response may go to their hypocrisy but is not a “legal” issue. Hate speech should not be a legal issue but as you note, what is good for the goose should be good for the gander.

      Using “public schools” to make these presentations is however. No public school can be used to allow any religious group or person to “preach”. Per your post that is what CAIR is doing.

      There can be ZERO Govt money or facilities used to support CAIR’s effort, or it violates the “Separation of Church and State” doctrine created by the SCOTUS.

      • JAC – did you miss this:

        “This Imam is attending private functions in rented school buildings and convention centers”

        If the public school is being rented out for private events off-hours, the school cannot discriminate is who it decides to rent out the facilities to.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          Actually it can and in fact is prevented from “renting” the building to such groups. Renting to the public is not the same as renting to religious groups.

          I became aware of these constraints when we were dealing with the issue of the Arian Nation wanting to rent school buildings for their meetings. At that time the rules were as you stated. The district could not discriminate. If it allowed some bible study group it had to allow the Arian Nation. So they stopped allowing the bible group.

          But since then the atheist groups have sued to stop all renting of public property to Religious groups. I recall that the courts agreed but might have allowed activities where the religion itself was not being sold or discussed. Like a church sponsored rummage sale or a bake sale to raise money for the local community center.

          Now it is possible I was misled on the “court” issue. I do not recall the court cases involving schools. It may be that the various Districts simply changed policy under threat of litigation. I do know that there have been several across the country who have banned use of public schools by any religious group.

          The result in my town was a loss of “Community” centers which developed with the schools. Our elected officials felt it wasteful to build separate facilities when the schools sat empty all night and all summer.

          The only thing I know that happens in them now are various community “basketball” leagues or baseball tryouts in the early spring. Some of these leagues or events are sponsored by churches. But under the rental agreements there can be no “church” stuff involved. Basketball only……no preaching or speechifying.

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            The overall point that the activist groups and courts are missing by enacting “separation” of church and state, one it’s a misnomer but all the constitution disallows is a State enforced religion. I believe though that their objective is being met by silencing all groups that they are in disagreement with. Notice I made NO identification of groups.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Like the Boy Scouts?

          • As an active scouter, you are correct. Because of our “policies” we are denied the use of some public facilities in some locations.

            The National Jamboree had more or less found a home at Fort AP Hill, VA and had been held every four years there for well over 20 years. Suddenly we were no longer welcome. Fortunately some incredibly wealthy former Eagle Scout bought us 35,000 acres in West VA for a Scout owned venue. Don’t have the support the Army used to provide though. Two years ago, the annual Camporee held at the US Merchant Marine Academy on Long Island was called off at the last moment. Suddenly after thirty or forty annual camporees, the Administration (Washington) had discovered an insurance problem. Yea, sure!

  24. @ Anita…you have it correct and I did not bring it up. The reason I did not bring it up is because how do you get through to coffee drinkers that ordering a steak from a restaurant is blasphemous……proper steaks and proper flavor can only be obtained from a grill….slow cooked. I will, however, have to question you on medium…….but…get the steaks on the grill, with bacon and garlic wrapped bake potatos in foil, attended by garlic and butter shrimp (foil wrapped on the upper level)….with honey dipped black eyed peas simmering on the side burner…THAT IS SIMMERING, not boiling for you yankee types in New York. While that is going on, you have fresh jalepenos stuffed with crab meat that were grilled previous to above on a bed of rice and all of that drizzed with REAL butter ( screw the cholesterol )…..sipping Bourgogne Blanc, white burgundy wine from France (the only good thing that comes out of France). After the meal, you bring out the cherries jubilee simmered with orange zest and flambeed with brandy or a simple Brandy Ice will do. The after dinner drink for you can be the DEW but the uptown yankees probably prefer an Irish Coffee with Bailey’s.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Yesterday we bought a cow, 50% Brahman and 50% Hereford. The freezers will be full by summers end.

      • Next time, if you have access….try a Brangus. That is what we raise.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          AGREED. Better beef.

          But all are better if they are Grass fattened. Maybe a touch of oats or corn near the end but not enough to yellow the fat or over “marble”.

          • We marble it naturally…no steroids……range fed on coastal bermuda and alfalfa and winter wheat. On a normal year we get 4 cuttings on the alfalfa……

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Dinner at the Colonel’s

      • I’m in!

        • Pick me up on the way thru…

          • No – for two reasons:

            1) You’re not on the way and, more importantly,

            2) You don’t like coffee.

            • Oh! I see how it is. Fine. We’ll make it a ladies road trip. I’ll be drinking my Dew…Kathy and V can drink whatever they please. Funnest road trip ever! You jealous yet?

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Hey I’m not prejudice….just limit the size of the beverages so the next stop isn’t as one is leaving the parking lot. And that includes me.

              • We’ll grab you Dale. Matter of fact, I’m gonna drive right by Buck’s place and taunt him on the way to NC

    • “proper steaks and proper flavor can only be obtained from a grill….slow cooked.”

      Colonel – I’m sorry but you are sorely mistaken on this one. While yes, that is one delicious way to enjoy a good steak, there is something to be said for a commercial-grade broiler. I’ve heard from someone that Peter Luger’s broiler goes to 1,800 degrees!

      • You’re no more right on steaks than politics. It’s in the rule book. Steaks must be done on the grill…and…the further you are from the city, the better they taste…fresh air and all 😉

        • Depends – a porterhouse is better broiled. A skirt steak, for instance, much better on the grill.

          When will you realize, when it comes to food, travel and even politics, I’m always right! 🙂

    • d13

      Sounds like you know your food! Low and slow, as the saying goes. I have a charcoal smoker….nothing special. I smoke a lot of different things up to and including beef brisket.
      Is there any validity to the claim that a ‘left handed’ brisket is better than a ‘right handed’ brisket?

      • Well, I must confess something……..I had a wife that did not want the military any longer so she gave me an ultimatum…..our thirty year marriage ended. So, right after that and the fact that there were not immediate wars that need my attention, I went to a local culinary school and obtained an apprentice chef certification. I quit at that time because to go further was going to take another 9 months to learn gourmet cooking….well, I do not need to know how to make foo foo dinners…and do not want to do gourmet anything. I did not want to learn how to draw designs on a plate and make it look pretty….

        So, I like to cook when I can and the new significant other likes it as well….I primarily stick with Southwestern cuisine ( which includes Mexican Foods ) and we cook together, So, there ya have it…….

        *****awaiting all the cat calls and hoo hoos……

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Not from this quarter….The food and it’s ingredients must speak for itself. Not a pretty picture on a huge plate, it’s just an excuse to charge more if you eat out. No disguising under sauces whose #1 one purpose was to mask a spoiled piece of meat. Real Mexican food with all the influences, native american, asian and spanish, that created that cuisine is very hard to beat….what was that old salsa ad….”What, made in New York City?!!!!

  25. Binney sent Washington’s Blog an article from Monday showing that a member of the cyber collective Anonymous tipped off Texas police to the imminent shootings by Muslim extremists.

    Binney comments:

    This is the objective of intelligence agencies that I worked in – predict intentions and capabilities in advance. I agree with my VIPS [i.e. Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity] associates, hire Anonymous and fire the bums we got including the intelligence committees and the FISC [U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court].

    After all, when was the last time our “intelligence community” predicted anything like this in advance????

    Binney and other top NSA whistleblowers have previously explained that the intelligence agencies should have stopped 9/11, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Paris shootings and other terrorist attacks. But they did not. He continue to argue that the best intelligent agency in the world is not the NSA, but the public at large, and the latter is confounded and under direct attack by the “professional” intelligence agencies of their own country.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Seems unfair to compare effectiveness of intelligence from groups who do not have to comply with legal constraints to those that do. Even when they violate them, they still have compliance constraints.

      And at the same time we are howling about the need to STOP the UNWARRANTED surveillance by Govt.

      Maybe the issue is really not about who is more effective, but how to protect our rights to be “secure in our papers and affects”.

      • No.
        It is not unfair. The justification for the mass surveillance is to prevent such occurrences. They have utterly failed in their stated goal.

        Therefore, they are either:
        1) Incompetent, and need to be disbanded
        2) Their justification was a lie, and another unstated purpose is at play, and thus, they need to be disbanded

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Or they are not conducting the same level of surveillance as those who are not stymied by controls. No matter the NSA rationalizations the truth is they do have constraints that reduce effectiveness. Those like Anonymous do not and in fact break the law to get their information.

          I doubt this story has any validity by the way. Oh someone may have called but that is not the reason security existed or why the officer shot back. It is silly to imply that security would not have been high for this event.

          • “Or they are not conducting the same level of surveillance as those who are not stymied by controls.”

            You are making up stories. You have no knowledge about such controls.

            The fact that sting operations have been done, where agencies have manufactured “incidents”, including lying in an attempt to foster incidents, demonstrates that such controls you claim do not exist.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              It proves no such thing.

              It could be that the controls in place authorized such action or that action violated the controls. The latter I already acknowledged happens.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              I agree with none of your claims about my knowledge. But what I know is not the question.

              It is whether the claim you posted is true or not.

              Did Anonymous tip off Texas and the Feds missed it?

              I have posted two stories that refute this assertion.

        • I pick #2. Although I would accept #1. Have to agree with that statement BF.

      • You believe anonymous “broke the law” in obtaining the intel? That the people who discovered this are not constrained by the law of the land?

        • Just A Citizen says:


          I do not know if they broke the law to get this intel. Or if it is even true they had it. What I do know is that Anonymous breaks the law to get information. As do many other “hackers” not tiled to Anonymous.

          And they are not constrained to the same extent as Govt. agencies. Unless you can name the watchdogs who oversee Anonymous’ daily operations or the Judges who issue the warrants for their “break ins”.

          One other thing to admit. The breakdown in protecting us in the examples cited was not a breakdown in intelligence. It was the failure to ACT in accordance with the information. Which is good justification for “smaller” or more “local” government. Big creates gross inefficiency and effectiveness. Along with greater offense to our rights and liberties.

          • So you admit you have no knowledge, but profess to have such knowledge.

            You pretend Govt. agencies are constrained in some way but have no knowledge about what, or if, there exists such constraint, even given the fact the agencies have far exceeded known boundaries.

            You further admit they are incompetent, yet, you do not believe they should be disbanded.
            You argue that they have some mythical constraint, then you argue they should be even more constrained by “smaller” government.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              I see your still having reading comprehension issues.

              I suggest your first step to resolving it is to stick with what is actually said and don’t project your own beliefs or assumptions into the conversation.

              This is all your claim. PROVE that anonymous actually identified the threat, that this information was in fact provided to the Texas police and that this information did in fact cause the police to act in a manner that resulted in stopping the attack.

              You have no more knowledge than I do. You simply accept the stories provided by those who confirm your opinions. Confirmation Bias much there my pirate friend?

              • gmanfortruth says:

                JAC, your claim of government intel agencies having constraints is laughable at best. Those constraints are on paper only. The Feds stopped following the law long ago. It is highly possible that Anonymous did warn the cops. There was chatter two weeks in advance about concerns of an ISIS attack. Of course, this is another example of another person the FBI knew about that could have caused a mass murder. They are getting a good reputation for pushing these nuts into action and busting them to continue the illusion that they are doing their jobs well. That’s as laughable as your constraint silliness.

              • By the way….the “SWAT” team that the left media is reporting was not….NOT the Dallas Police…it was private security.

              • “This is all your claim. PROVE that anonymous actually identified the threat, that this information was in fact provided to the Texas police and that this information did in fact cause the police to act in a manner that resulted in stopping the attack.”

                So you give me the proof while ignorantly claiming I need to provide it.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              Agreed…what constraints. The agencies have proved to be woefully incompetent and the results are just more calls for more government powers.

              I always remember the old WWII flicks about the espionage agent keying away deperately trying to get the message out. While the evil Gestapo van was driving around with the RDF units. How superior we felt. My Great Grand Father was a minister who preached in German. During both WW’s he said there were obvious government agents in the church listening to insure he did not spread any seditious gospel.

              How superior we felt during the cold war by ridiculing the soviets and eastern bloc’s by saying that there were so many listeners on the line the circuit would fade out due to loss of current….in the 70’s we could monitor just about anything we chose to including phone conversations….anything that was broadcast and in space was easily monitored. What say we now.

  26. FYI:

    Anybody interested: 12:10 Eastern, today, Friday the big flyover of WW 2 planes in DC covered by C-Span along with ceremonies on the mall commemorating D-Day plus 70 years. Wonder what my Dad was thinking?

  27. Stephen….just the other day, my sig other and I wanted something to do…so we flew down to Fredericksburg TExas…….there was a fly in there of the war birds of old……wow…..what a hoot that was. All the WWII warbirds were there.

    • Shame on me, that was supposed to say VE day.

      Yes Colonel, you Texas folk have that Commemorative (formerly Confederate) Air Force thing. Those guys have done a magnificent job over the years finding, restoring and FLYING the old birds.

      Went to an Air Show out in Ohio few years back, billed as “a gathering of Mustangs”. Saw and LISTENED to the roar of 72 Packard built Rolls Royce Merlins overhead in formation. Wow!

  28. Just A Citizen says:


    Seems the FBI warned Texas about one of the shooters in advance.

    Gman, re “constraints and controls”.

    You and BF confuse absolute control with controls that constrain.

    Pour water from a bucket.

    Now pour water from a bucket into a strainer……….flow slows, it is constrained. You have time to right the bucket before all the water escapes.

    Pour the water from the bucket into a barrel with various faucets and hoses. The flow is now controlled completely.

    Now take that barrel and remove a few of the spigots. The water flow is controlled but only to the point the holes undermine the control. But if discovered the spigots can be replaced and control restored. It takes time for the barrel to realize how to side step the observers and remove the next spigot.

    Anonymous and other law breaking hackers are like the bucket by itself. The NSA is the barrel where some of the spigots are removed. We may not like the outcome but the fact remains that it and the other agencies do operate under constraints. Without them most of us would be in prison for your inciting rebellion, or tax evasion, or some other trumped up charge.

    You always talk about division. Look at the basic affect of arguing whether Anonymous or the NSA is better at gathering intel. WRONG COMPARISON.

    The issue is what if anything are we going to do regarding threats to security. This includes the “do nothing” option. Which means we simply accept collateral damage among your own.

    If your right to privacy is absolute then provide the constraints on Govt you believe are needed to address your “absolute privacy right”. But frankly, eliminating the Govt agencies charged with enforcement and protection is not a realistic option. If you want to waste your time pushing that then feel free. But it is a waste of time.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      JAC, I have figured out where you belong on the political scale, your a RINO, totally. To explain, your mindset is that we need all this bullshit called intelligent agencies. Let me correct you a bit. We have enough nukes to eliminate multiple countries in short time. We have a very powerful military to protect our nation. We have a well armed citizenship. We DON’T need the intel to protect us! We are fine and the Intel agencies are making enemies. The Government you think is so needed is why we have the world hating us. Your not really as smart as you think you are, your beloved government is the CAUSE of our problems. Make sure you go vote for more of the same!

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Yes, JAC fills us all with that often, thanks for finally agreeing. 🙂

        • Just A Citizen says:


          ROTFLMAO………….. This is for you my dear……….(couldn’t find one with the correct head wear but I think you’ll get the gist of it).

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Once again you make claims with no foundation.

        Show me where I said we need all these surveillance agencies!

        Show me where I said we NEED to conduct blanket data collection to protect our security!

        • My claims are well known. NOBODY would dare invade this country, because they CAN’T. So please, with all of your worldly knowledge, explain why we need the NSA and other intell alphabet agencies? Your gonna have to dig deep to explain why these agencies are focused on US too. Come on RINO, explain it!

        • Black Flag® says:
          • Just A Citizen says:

            LMAO………… nice of you to disprove your own claim.

            Can’t wait to hear the rationalization of how this shows you were right.

            • Black Flag® says:

              What part of
              An activist linked to the international hackers’ collective Anonymous tipped off police in Garland, Texas, about an eminent attack on an anti-Islam event two days before it happened – but the red flag went unnoticed

              The part that the authorities were incompetent?
              The part Anonymous alerted the cops?

              You are funny.

              • Just A Citizen says:


                Now go back and read where I wrote that very same thing about using intell vs. gathering intell.

                The issue was whether Anonymous was better at gathering Intell. than the Fed agencies. We now know that BOTH found much of the same information and that the FBI warned the locals to be on the lookout for one of the culprits. We also know that the locals did not see the Anonymous warning. Yet they were prepared based on what they knew from their own work and other Govt. AND private sources.

                So it would appear that your author claiming that Anonymous was “more effective” was WRONG. How can intelligence be effective if it is not even seen until after the fact.

                By the way, I assume you are aware that the FBI is getting “private intell.” all the time. That there are others out there monitoring the web and reporting stuff that looks suspicious. I am pretty sure the FBI still encourages this kind of “citizen watch”. So does that no make the private eyes PART OF the Fed. intelligence gathering operation?

              • Black Flag® says:

                So agree with my first contention: incompetence, and therefore should be disbanded.

  29. Dale A Albrecht says:

    I had been following the MSM here and in the UK leading up to the elections that were held yesterday. You’d have thought that it was a neck and neck race between labor and the conservatives with the high probability the Cameron would lose. Scratch a bit below the surface and labor was never going to get within 100 seats of even being able to form a government….how wrong the political/liberal pundits and analysts were. Wishful thinking on their part….As much as most of us here on SUFA disagree with most government policies, left and right…heaven help us if guys like Lindsey Graham and his ilk get in…they in fact will exacerbate many of the failed policies and errors of the past administrations. Look how much has modified….nothing…they’ve caved on all issues without making the president actually having to make the tough choice.

  30. Just A Citizen says:

    It was only a few days ago that I was reading the usual snarky comments on left wing blogs about how the tea party kooks were swallowing various conspiracy theories. One of these was the notion that ISIS had operation locations in Mexico and that ISIS had infiltrated the US. It was part of the ridicule aimed at Texas observing the Fed. exercises.

    I guess the Obama FBI is now part of the conspiracy crowd. Short clip from CNN story:

    “Washington (CNN)—Security conditions at U.S. military bases were raised Thursday night because of growing concern of a jihadist threat in the U.S.

    The move comes hours after FBI Director James Comey told reporters that there are thousands of ISIS, also known as ISIL, followers online in the U.S.

    “We have a general concern, obviously, that ISIL is focusing on the uniformed military and law enforcement,” Comey told reporters Thursday.

    The order was signed by Admiral William Gortney, head of the U.S. Northern Command, which oversees all U.S. military installations in the continental U.S.

    “We have the same concern about the potential threat posed by violent homegrown extremists,” said Captain Jeff Davis, spokesman for the U.S. Northern Command, or NORTHCOM.”

    Wonder how much of the “Chatter” on the net about attacks was already part of the Govt agency intelligence? Was all this chatter simply the same thing the FBI had found or was it really something the Feds had missed? Seems pretty obvious to me that the Feds are all over this.

    Does it mean they will succeed in stopping future attacks? Nope! It is inevitable that some will succeed in killing innocent people. That being anyone but the perpetrators.

    And for you Govt haters at all cost, and of course lovers of Anarchy. What makes you think that some Anonymous folks are not working for NSA or the CIA?

  31. Just A Citizen says:

    Proof that the level of intelligence at our landmark Universities has not improved since the 60’s.

    If this had happened at my school in the day they would have found out that a line does not stand against a phalanx, especially one comprised of farm boys and miner’s kids.

  32. Sigh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if you want to know what is really going on..,,I suggest you ask the front line….do not get your information from prepackaged quotes on the internet. The whole story of the FBI…..supposedly……had been watching this character for a long time. They knew he had the weapons, the body armor……..

    The pundits and the reporters have a blast thinking that they know tactics and shooters….very much like I see the commentators on the news spouting tactical procedures…and these women commentators that are 25 years old pretending that they know about weapons, warfare and tactics……pretending that they are all professional psy ops………makes me want to puke. They barely have enough knowledge to fill a thimble….

    The year old Garland officer that was hired as protection did but one thing……one Glock, two head shots…both dead. Did not waste ammunition and the whole episode took 10-16 seconds……..oh and the man is ex military…..and a stupid CNN female reporter was asking why would they hire a 60 year old veteran?

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      One of my neighbors is a retired Marine Colonel. He always said that if you need a large capacity clip, you need to spend more time at the range. 1-2 shots in most cases is all that you should need. Most in the neighborhood were Marine Corp vet’s or one of some armed service including one sniper. There had not been any home invasion in 12 years. It was a safe area.

      Obviously excluding military operations on clip capacity

  33. OOOPS…the 60 year old

  34. Just finished reading the completions of the Army Ranger course. None of the 8 women that were left made it. Neither did 110 men. However, it appears that some of the ladies scored high enough to try it again. The biggest issue that contributed to the failure rate was sleep deprivation and strength. The same sleep deprivation that is considered torture by the lame and unknowing.

    As it now stands, there was and will be no lesser requirements for women. THe men and women will have the same tests.

    • dale A Albrecht says:

      That’s good news. I have to check to see how the Corps is handling their requirements and testing.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Let’s see…the minimum physical fitness standard for a male marine is 3 pull ups, 50 ab crunches in 2 minutes and 3 miles in 28 minutes. All in PT gear. Shorts and T’s. Sweats in colder climates and gloves may be worn. The womens standard was flexed arm hang 15 seconds, same ab crunches and 31 minutes for the run.

      To qualify for combat infantry the women had to do the same as the men. Of the 1st 10 women volunteers through the test program, 9 were dropped in the first week and the 10th dropped a week later. Now understand on all other courses they have to do the same rigors. Pack weights you name it, in other words do your part and do not be a liability to the squad.. The results of the tests which ended last November are still being evaluated.

  35. dale A Albrecht says:

    It looks like another uber-liberal cities police has a culture of bias, SF. I assume what will come out of all these problems will be a knee jerk reaction of arrests will be made based only upon the % of that group in the city. Once you reach the limit….no more arrests. Then the opposite will happen. The people will experience an influx of crime against them and will demand a crack down on crime. Sort of what brought us to this point a few decades ago. Their crime lab also as been monkeying with results like MA.

    So I guess if you’re a Female, Black and LGBT you’ll have a of 60% chance of being arrested. Can’t discriminate.

    I assume all communications of a police officer whether duty related or private will be subpoened to assess bias in any way.

    Interesting note The black population in SF has dropped from the national % of 13.1 in 1970 to right around 6 %. Economic bias?

    • Just A Citizen says:


      The rest of the story:

      During the same period the White population dropped from 71.4% to 48.5%. Economic bias here also??

      Now at the same time the Hispanic population grew slightly but the Asian population grew from 13.3% to 33.3%. Economic bias??

      I believe you will find out that economic bias is the prime culprit. That is the Cost of Living is so high it creates a bias against those who cannot or will not develop methods of dealing with it.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I know…didn’t post that part because that was not wasn’t part of the bias issue in SF. It was black and homophobic allegations…

        Develop methods of dealing with the economic issues….you mean like hard work and excellence in academic scores.

        A lot of my ?’s are actually rhetorical

        I left California a long time ago. I did not want to develop methods of dealing with housing that went from $36,000 – $4,300,000 for the same damn house in the same neighborhood.

    • Yes it is. Gentrification has taken care of the poor everybody, everywhere. The downside of my career in Neighborhood Preservation was my Dad;’s initial comment when I took the job, “A neighborhood can go up or go down what it cannot do is stay the same”.

  36. Just A Citizen says:

    To those that claim the police do not protect us from injury or protect our property. That they ONLY respond after the fact.

    We lost a very good man in the community this week. Sgt. Greg Moore was shot by a “suspicious” person who he stopped in a neighborhood where several robberies had occurred recently. Sgt. Moore was patrolling the area to help prevent more robberies by either scaring away the criminals or catching them.

    Unfortunately for him and his family, he caught one of the SOB’s. The property he intended to steal that night was not stolen. Property he would have stolen in the future will not be stolen by him. Sad part is Mr. Moore lost his life “protecting” our community from crap weasels like this punk ass thug.

    One of the first statements from the SOB’s mouth was “I shot him in self defense”. Now I wonder where I have seen people posting garbage about our “right to shoot at police in self defense”??

    How man more idiots out there believe this crap and have prepared themselves to shoot first next time they are stopped? How many more police widows and orphans do we need before Citizens start publicly crucifying those spreading this bull dookey.

    Side bar and equally sad. The punk thief/murder has subjected his family to a living hell as well. Innocent people now suffering the loss of a Son as well as the publics anger about their Son killing a good man, officer, husband and father. The poor Sister has a local business and people are now turning away because of what her Brother did. Unlike so many pictures on the news lately, the guys family is not rationalizing nor justifying this action. In fact the family has several ex Cops and Firemen among its members.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      sad….claiming “self defense” while committing a crime. Last year we lost a young officer. He and his partner stopped a person in the black part of town acting very suspicious around 0100. The young officer was just gunned down. The assailant did not survive the shooting either. The black neighborhood even with the politico’s decrying the incident called the black man an SOB and deserved what he got. He was a convicted rapist and many other violent crimes. Florida let him out. The political racist angle disappeared immediately. You know who tried to put the racist spin on the shooting…The new WHITE mayor, not the black citizens.

    • I have no problem with the police where I live, at all! Sad story, indeed. Here’s your failure “. That they ONLY respond after the fact.” He was there BECAUSE of previous crimes, therefore, after the fact. Look, it’s already been made clear that cops are NOT responsible to protect anything. It’s always sad when a good cop, doing his best to help the community, is killed because some loser takes him out. The loser should be hanged in public, if you ask me. If we want to stop this shit, change the laws and permit landowners to shoot thieves on the spot. However, government simply don’t allow this in most places, does it?

  37. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought of the Day

    After all this WWII discussion about how the USA was to blame and/or that the USA should not have been involved then or the decades afterward. Including the poll posted by BF showing many have no “good” they can find in the USA.

    I wonder what kind of disdain would exist if the USA had simply sat on the sidelines in WWI and WWII? If the USA had not run the Berlin airlift, if the USA had not challenged Russia and communist China in Korea and Viet Nam. Would the murders committed by the Communists in those countries be viewed today as the “fault of those Greedy Americans who sat on their hands while millions were murdered?”

    While we need to recognize our warts I think perhaps sometimes we look to closely in the mirror, seeing those blemishes that others never notice. Self criticism can be healthy, but it can also be self destructive.

    And it certainly is destructive when in the hands of the left wing Anarchist crowd and the socialists working to destroy the Greatest Nation ever created by mankind. Who will defend our honor and our liberty when our citizens are “ashamed” of our past and view our leaders with nothing but disdain and cynicism?

    Before the usual BS starts flying, let me make it perfectly clear that the Nation has earned some of the criticism and we can certainly improve. I just think perhaps that many are only focused on the negatives.

    • Very nice JAC!!!!

      The more I think about it and I have looked up some things, a lot of the “criticism” does echo the Communist propaganda of the ’30’s, ’40’s and ’50’s not to mention the decade of “Peace and Love”.

      I do not think there is any question that the “Peace” movement and the “Civil Rights” movement were heavily infiltrated by Communists. That line you hear about them “never letting a crisis go to waste” is absolutely true.

      The Communists took advantage of a legitimate situation and along the way co-opted a whole lot of people.

      I wasn’t kidding the other day when I remembered that the Communists had used the A-Bombing of Japan as a propaganda tool with people of color. It was a brilliant move. There is plenty of documentation out there. As an aside, the use of Agent Orange a supposedly safe defoliant was sold by the other side as Chemical Warfare at the time. The Colonel can back me up on that. Same with the use of CS, we were using “poison gas” to clear out tunnels. That was picked up and echoed time and time again by my contemporaries on campus in the late ’60’s.

      Couple of the books by David Horowitz and Philip Abbot Luce do a better job than I laying out the agitprop at the time. The only thing different about people like the Pres. and the Mayor of Baltimore from the Communists of the past is they do not say Marxism in their speeches.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Winston Churchill used to say about the Germans as a people. “They are either at your throat or at your feet”. They reaped what they sowed. The language they understood was complete and total destruction and urban renewal. The Italians at least quit when the allies landed in southern Italy. Then they suffered enormously under the Nazi boot.

      The Japanese had the same mentality except the at your feet part. The only thing that they also would understand about behavior modification was to be without a doubt, defeated. No deals except the Emperor could ultimately remain.

      Yes it was our fault that they had no choice but to attack us, given that we were the only country that stood in its way of the glory of its empire. England was to preoccupied. Heck let’s go back to Matthew Perry in 1853…this is a cynical commentary.

  38. Just A Citizen says:

    My dearest Spitfire, thinking of you here at SUFA.

  39. Just A Citizen says:

    And not to over look our other Southern Belle who still hangs out here. When I think of Tennessee I think of V.

  40. A note about the discussion on WWII! I really enjoyed reading everything posted by everyone! 😀 😀 😀

  41. I thought about this a lot. I see the Nazi’s again, tow the line or else…..

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Did I get this right….a protest group “Black Lives Matter” was protesting outside of two frat houses during the Kentucky Derby. The student body president, a young black man was trying to keep the peace. Ultimately he was making some loud verbal comments to the protesters, what ever they may have been. Now the “Black Lives Matter” are petitioning for him to be removed from his position…..did I get that right? I’m sure that he said to the protesters who looked to be mostly pretty tight assed white get a life because they know nothing about what they’re protesting about.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      He didn’t fit their white liberal stereotypical image of a young black man and on top of that gay. Apparently they called him an “Uncle Tom” for associating with the Fraternity and Sorority because they are bastions of racism,,,blah blah blah. You don’t just get into Dartmouth on a lark. You have to be intelligent, sharp, connected and fairly well off. You might get away without # 4 with a scholarship but then the 1st 2 will have to be even more. Bunch of damn bored preppies. I’ll bet most of the protesters were snubbed during rush week and not asked to pledge.

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