Memorial Day Weekend


On Monday many of us will pay homage to those who gave their lives so that we can be free.  While some may disagree with the wars and the politics of those war, these men and women all believed very deeply in the Oath they took for the privilege of serving the greatest people on earth.  They deserve our respect, for giving everything of themselves for those of us who remain and future generations.  I’m also going to ask that on Monday that each one of you have your significant other or your child or a friend bend you over and give you (and I) a good swift kick in the ass.  We have failed these people and have lost many of the freedoms they died for.  The 4th and 5th Amendments are effectively dead.  The 1st and 2nd Amendment are under constant attack by those who would rather be subjugated than to be free.  We have allowed our governments to become corrupt and self serving, and knowing this, many go right straight to the polls on election day and give permission for this to continue.  Our fallen are rolling over in their graves along with the founding fathers.  Shame on all of us.  It’s past time to start coming up with solutions that might work.  If you think that to continue to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result deserve to be called insane.  Please enjoy your weekend and stay safe!  SUFA is full of great people!  Enjoy your Memorial Day!



    • I see the ozone standard is on the list. Ozone levels are dropping from 75 ppm to 65-70 ppm. I looked at the ozone level in the big park in Alaska, about as remote as possible. The typical level was close to 50 ppm. This is an unobtainable standard and will do far more harm than it will help.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        It’s time for the States and the people to stand up and tell the Feds and Obama to go pound sand. This climate change bullshit has got to go away.

        • It is becoming more clear that the next big move (unconstitutional move?) that Obama is going to make will be on climate change. Both he and Biden pushed the topic at commencement speeches. We are increasingly ruled by minority opinions.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            The key word is “ruled” and the so called Republicans aren’t doing squat to show there are two sides. In fact, they seem to be unnecessarily bowing to Obama on the TPP. These asses have globalists written all over them.

            • At least the REpublicans are showing their hand. We need them out ASAP. I’m liking Rand a little more every day. I’m taking notes. 😉

  1. You had to expect it….Baltimore exploding in homicides and crime….Police are hesitant to arrest and are staying out of it…..can’t blame them….let’s see how the mayor handles it now..

    Why would the police even think about going into that neighborhood or ones like it….let them kill each other.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      While I agree, the left will use it as an excuse for more governmt and more police state BS . Or, maybe the black community will come out of the democratic induced stuper and police themselves, which is long overdue. We shall see !

  2. Good afternoon SUFA. Hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday weekend. 🙂

  3. Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US “Created” ISIS As A “Tool” To Overthrow Syria’s President Assad

    The boogieman is an entity brought to life by the gang of 536 in DC, as I have said all along.

    • So what. Secret this, bogeyman that…doesn’t change a damn thing.Just vindicates your anti Americanism. Don’t be too blinded. If the USA was not founded, this world would be just as messed up as it is now. There is plenty of evil and blame to go around.

      • Anti Americanism? Try anti corrupt government! Do you even know the difference? I fly my flag high and proud, it doesn’t mean I have to like or accept a corrupt government, nor will I. So because I continuously get proven correct in what I proclaim, you throw a little name calling hissy fit. BWAHAHAHA! Utterly childish! 😉

        • All talk, no action, All your proclamations shoulda had us fixed by now. Maybe what needs to happen is that we could start proclaiming the goodness of the USA.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            The USA is a great wonderful country, it’s the idiots in DC the foul up the with their corruption. Like I said in the above article, despite all the vast knowledge you are given, trying to get people to believe it is almost impossible. That’s why they will go and vote for another corrupt politician to replace the old corrupt politician, claiming that it will somehow change things, when it has never done so in our past, it’s called insanity.

            I’m sorry that I tell the truth, you choose to ignore it and toss it off has hogwash until it comes back and slaps you in the head. Then you make completely weak excuses for the reality that you can no longer toss away. If you really cared about this country, you’d stop making excuses for it’s mistakes, and yours

            • Never be sorry for telling the truth….but stay away from conspiracy theories….we have been absolutely pounded by rain…more on the way.

              • Turn on a fan and blow it our way.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Conspiracy theories are only theories until they mangically become fact. I stated long sgo that ISIS was an invention of, armed and funded by, the CIA. It was considered a CT when I said it. Also note how it was the US who wanted Assad out and the reasons why, both of which I also stated even before ISIS became known. Most of which was all tossed off as CT.

                Heard about your rain! Your little drought has all but vanished, which is a good thing. We get those storms all next week and we could use the rain

            • Channeling your inner BF. I have never claimed the government is not corrupt, nor am I in denial about it.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Channeling my inner BF? Not at all, I’m just telling the truth, but you already know that. Plus, I’m helping a friend understand the difference between antiamerican and anti corrupt government. Hopefully that has been cleared up now 😀

              • Anita, I consider you a great friend. I would come if you needed help, I’m not that far away. What’s more important going forward (about the new knowledge you now have) is to listen to the MSM and understand they are most likely lying to you. This will include FOX News, they are nothing but sheople who are saying what they are told. CNN is horrible at deceiving those who watch their garbage, as I will post a link proving so in short time. It is so important to move forward and understand that what are being told on the TV is mostly bullshit. Link forth coming. PEACE 🙂

              • It took a week but eventually we were able to get the report released so we could review the content therein for ourselves. As expected there was nothing within the report even remotely accurate to the interpretation as presented by CNN/Evan Perez.

                To the contrary, the report factually stated in the first page that most sovereign citizens are nonviolent, and that it will focus only on the violent fringe within a fringe—the people it calls “sovereign citizen extremists,” or SCEs. CNN Lied.

                The report describes their violence as “sporadic,” and it does not expect its rate to rise, predicting instead that the violence will stay “at the same sporadic level” in 2015. The author or authors add that most of the violence consists of “unplanned, reactive” clashes with police officers, not preplanned attacks. CNN Lied.

                Of course, a week after the CNN propaganda the narrative of dangerous “Right-Wing Extremists” had already been embedded with the help of a liberal media. Ridiculously, the words “right wing” were never in the report in any shape or fashion. CNN Lied.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              Will Roger’s said many years ago about Washington politicians….”look around your area, find the crooks. Elect them to Congress and send them all to DC. That way we can keep an eye on them”
              Unfortunately the 1st 4 parts of the quote are true and sadly the last has become not only a grab bag for the elected official but also the people are demanding their slice of the pie too. The thieving will go on unabated.

  4. A Country Founded by Geniuses but Run by Idiots!

    If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded with Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free cell phones — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of unemployment checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful employment was diligently sought, but couldn’t be found — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If being stripped of your Constitutional right to defend yourself makes you more “safe” according to the government — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the media panders to your openly socialist leader while the IRS targets groups with dissenting views— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your government ‘cracks down’ on legal gun sales to law abiding citizens while secretly supplying illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your local government (Chicago) outlawed gun ownership for ‘the safety of its citizens’ and now boasts the worst murder rate in the country — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    What a country!

  5. The video in this link is very telling about State politicians (YES I’m going there):

    • Dale, this is in your neck of the woods!

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Unfortunately we’re getting backed up into the water here. Big Pharma owns the largest voting area in NC around RTP. With the universities systems like UNC that do not allow conservative speakers because of the promises of violence from the “peaceful” liberals. Schools are rapidly becoming propaganda tools as opposed to being places of learning and honest exchange of ideas. My nephew got his MBA a few years ago. I asked him about how he stood for the BS the professors spewed quite a bit. He answer was “You have to put that answer down on the exam even though you know it’s wrong, because if you do not, YOU WILL BE FLUNKED” Even though the eastern part of NC is fairly conservative, including the college age kids….through gerrymandering the area always seems to wind up sending very liberal democrats to the National Government. The local politics is different.

  6. For those who did not return. Think we should run it every year, says it better than 10,000 words.

    • And for all of those that came home physically but the scars and sense of guilt that will resides withthem forever.

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        I can agree with that. When my youngest son got out of the Marines in 2007, it took 2 years to realize he had PTSD after doing 2 tours in Iraq. Kept having nightmares, trouble concentrating doing his studies in pre-med,went to a psychologist to seek help, but, it didn’t. Kept getting asked, ( HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL?) What helped him was a group of vets he joined at the university he went to, & the one person that helped him most, was a Vietnam vet named Johann, who went through the same thing he did, & he told my son, what he was going through, was survivor’s guilt, where he came home & 30 from his unit didn’t. They got killed in the fighting in Najaf in 2004. He still struggles with it some, but, not as bad as he did, he said he has it pretty much under control now. But, every once in a while, it does creep up on him. He got married 4 years ago, they have a year & a 1/2 old little girl, just graduated from med school a couple of weeks ago, & will be leaving this Friday for Omaha, Nebraska to do his residency. He said, there are some things, he’ll never be able to talk about at what happened while in Iraq, while there are things he can. He said he feels lucky to have had someone like Johann to help him & he will never forget him for helping him like he did.

        • Hi Judy!

          Have him read Dr. Johnathan Shea’s “Achilles in Vietnam” and “Odysseus in America”. Dr. Shea is a VA Psychiatrist who did his residency in the VA after Viet-nam, had no intention staying but is still there. He is also a classicist who reads Ancient Greek. The stories the vets told him started meshing in his brain with the “Illiad”. Very interesting reading for vets and families of vets especially about the sense of betrayal..

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Hi Stephen, Thanks, I’ll mention that to him when I see him sometime this morning.

        • Tell him to stay with it…..I have to deal with it every day and night.

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            He’s not letting it get the best of him Col., if he did, I don’t think he’d be able to be do what he’s accomplished in the last 8 years. He & another Marine friend went to see the movie Sniper when it came out & said, they almost walked out 1/2 way through the movie because it was just like being back in Iraq, but, they stayed & watched the entire movie, which he said wasn’t easy to do, but the managed.

  7. If the water level drops below 1,075 feet elevation by January 1, 2016, it will trigger a federal water emergency. And water rationing.

    Remember this post, because when the Fed’s issue an emergency declaration, words like evacuation and forced relocation will start to be used. Also remember that Obama is a Democrat and thinks he knows what is best for the people.

    • Was just at Lake Mead earlierthis year…sig other and I always like to go to the Valley of Fire and then go out the back way to Lake Mead and then back to Vegas……usually a very pretty drive with one exception this year….all the Marinas on the North End of the lake….were sitting on dry ground…..and not just barely…..sometimes the nearest water was 50 YARDS away….We did not see water from the highway until we got to Boulder…Also, on the way to Vegas in our own plane, I received permission to fly the South Rim of the Grand Canyon over Boulder Dam……..The water level was below the first turbine level…..I was not allowed to drop below 7,500 ft MSL and the actual elevation of Boulder Dam is 1,700 ft..which meant that I was 5800 ft AGL ( Above Ground Level ) and even from that height… was painfully easy to see how low the lake was. And even thoug the lake was that low, it still had to release enough water to run the elecrical generators because some of that generation goes all the way to Los Angeles….And there apparently was not enough snow pack this year to help the lake this spring.

      • Judy Sabatini says:

        Lake Tahoe has gotten really low too, because of the lack of rain & snow here, even though we’ve had some, but, not enough to make a difference. We’re in the 5th year of a drought here. We’ve been asked to cut our water usage by 10%, which really isn’t very much though. In fact, a lot of people have ripped out their yards so they do less watering. We have assigned watering days & if you get caught watering on your non-assigned day, you get fined for it.Hand watering is ok, for like shrubs, trees, flower beds & things like that. We’ve been asked to limit the time to shower, doing laundry, running the dishwasher, what ever it takes to save water here. I live in Northern Nev, Reno & yeah, it’s pretty dry here as well.

        • Nice to hear from you again. We too are under odd/even restrictions with a 30% cut back mandate. Most of CA will be OK this year but if the coming winter is bad as this, the real trouble will start. As normal, the legislature is just rearranging the rafts in their swimming pools.

          When I was a kid, we did not have a built in bath tube so took baths in a #62 galvanized tube in the middle of the floor once a week whether we needed it or not.

          • Judy Sabatini says:

            Hi T-Ray Here is the current water storage.
            Reservoir Storage Capacity

            Stampede 39,783 226,500
            Prosser 7,577 29,840
            Boca 6,023 40,870
            Lahontan 45,610 295,542
            Frenchman 19,593 55,477
            Donner 6,800 9,500
            Davis 45,923 84,400
            Lake Tahoe 6,223 6,229

  8. Gman…from above…..Who the hell watches CNN? They never tell the truth even when they are looking at it.

    • You do understand that this statement came from CNN…”The bulletin warns that Bandidos who serve in the U.S. military may be “supplying the gang with grenades and C4 explosives” to target officials and their families with car bombs, the network reported.” and it came from the NY Times….they never get anything right.

      And this…..”The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives study, first reported by the Intercept, concludes that biker gangs have recruited scores of employees of federal, state and local governments, police and firefighters, National Guardsmen and reservists, some of them with government security clearances, to help them “maim and murder” in support of their “insatiable appetite for dominance.”… do understand, I hope, that this statement appears nowhere in a document from the ATF….and this was reported by the Washington Times which uses words like “massacre”.

      The Bandidos and the Cossacks are well known down here….crap, the Fort Worth Chapter of the BAndidos is huge and mainly consists of participants well over 50 years old…As a matter of record, we see them all the time in their gang paraphenalia at places like the Zoo and other places where they volunteer all the time. Sometimes, rival motorcycle gangs beat each other up or shoot one another….but it is rare…..they even participate in the Veterans Day parades, the Fort Worth Fat Stock Show and Rodeo parades…….

      So, you have two rival gangs meeting at the same place where big boobs and beer is the name of the game….and you expect no shootout?

      Bet you a dollar to donut… police bullets killed anyone.

      • Oh,,,and to the statement of Bandidos coming from other places…we have already seen two Oklahoma Chapters in here….they just came in last week not part of the gathering. We have also seen a Louisiana Chapter and one from Arkansas.

        But they are bird dogged pretty heavily.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        For the most part I agree. The media are nothing but propagandist’s and simply are untrust worthy. I caught the BS about the Banditos early. Having seen the pictures, it looked like as many of 5 clubs were there. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the meeting was more of a truce/business meeting than what has been reported. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the fight was originally caused by an undercover cop. I would not be surprised if all 9 were killed with police bullets.

        This kind of thing with MC’s is rare. They don’t like negative publicity and don’t like this kind of stuff in broad daylight.

        I’m sure you caught, laughingly, the “threats” by the Black Widows, of Every Which Way But Loose fame 🙂

        • Yes……this was called a gathering…..they have it every year….we are used to the motorcylce gangs and clubs…including the mom and pop motorcycle clubs…..

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Still something fishy too me. With cops all around, they either knew something from a plant, or planned the whole event. I’m not buying the fight turned to a gunfight story , at least not yet. It smells like a skunk, I reckon we’ll see what happens, which is likely to be nothing

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Will they match the bullets to guns as part of the investigation? Will they tell the truth?

            • Gman,….they knew exactly that the gangs were going to be there. Law enforcement made three different appeals to the “breastaurant” not to have the gathgering…..they started asking three months ago……That is why you have the presence of law enforcement.

              Now let me ask you…..why do you not believe the “gunfight” story….or are all the bikers telling lies?

  9. Most are staying with the Fort Worth Chapter and the Dallas Chapter….Waco is only 90 miles away. ANd there is no trouble so far.

  10. Happy Memorial Day to all SUFA….and THANK YOU to all our veterans! We owe too much to you to even put into words…


  11. The day we stop memoralizing men who kill will be the day war as a tool of men ends.

    • How about men who save?

      • Black Flag® says:

        Save what?

      • That won’t work either SK, because “if we weren’t there in the first place…..” 🙄

        • So the last Iraq war has resolved what threat to the US? NONE, they were not a threat to the US. Based on your thinking, sending our boys and girls to foreign lands to engage in war is OK, regardless of the reason, as long as your elected people say it’s OK. Let’s hope one of your kids aren’t on the next plane to hell, for no real reason.

    • It is completely appropriate to memorialize the victim’s of evil government and the media who helps to brainwash people into agreeing with these idiot wars. Remember, you were once there. Let’s stay focused on the real problem 🙂

      • You will not get an argument from me on wrong wars, wrong places, wrong times. Too much history for that. But there have been right ones too. Eisenhower’s book “Crusade in Europe” had that name for a reason.

        Be nice if we could just stop the bad guys and go home. Don’t think they will ever figure out how to do that though.

      • Black Flag® says:

        I agree.
        Instead of honoring soldiers who slaughter and who may have died doing it, let’s condemn soldiers and their wars and honor the innocent victims of soldiers, who died in an order of magnitude more numbers, and died helpless against their slaughter than such killers called soldiers, who if they were not there would not have caused such a slaughter of the innocent, nor died themselves.

        To honor the cause of horror will indeed ensure the continuation of horror.

        • You just gave me an idea for a future article on the subject. 🙂

        • Seems like a conundrum to me……if I get this right…. you and Gman will condemn the soldiers here while honoring the slaughter elswhere……seems like a great anarchist start to me.

          • Negative Colonel. I will not condemn those who believed in their Oath. I will condemn the sick twisted politicians who have sent boys into harms way to fight THEIR wars. Have we had a legitimate war since WWII? Our men and women have been the victims just as much as all the innocent people caught in the middle. How many people, military and non military, have been killed as a result of political actions by an elite ruling class who have no skin in the game?

            • What’s the difference between WWII and 9/11/01? and what should our response have been to 9/11?

              • Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. The damn Saudi’s funded it, yet nothing. Afghanistan should have been over a long time ago, Bin Laden is dead (if you believe that) and the Taliban have been sent packing. Yet, our boys are still in harm’s way.

                If you don’t know the difference between wars between nations who have attacked us, versus wars against a nation that was no threat to us, I can’t help you. Iraq was no threat, and as I have already proven via government documents, Al Qeida was a CIA asset, just like ISIS. Maybe we should just disband the CIA instead of attacking a country that did not attack us, and was no threat to do so.

              • ok but answer the questions.

              • 9-11 was an attack carried out by terrorist’s (if you believe the official story). We were not attacked by any sovereign nations. Yet, in response to 9-11, we invaded two countries which cost more young American lives than the attack itself. Add in the 10s of thousands who are now permanently injured and scared both mentally and physically for life, was it worth it? I shouldn’t be asking you this question, because like the politicians, you had no skin in the game.

              • Wrong twice. And you still didn’t answer the questions. Son in law and three friends did their time in Iraq.

              • What has our actions accomplished? All the death and maiming, for what, too appease a bunch of war mongerer’s and enrich the military industrial complex? Would it have been worth it if one of your loved one’s came home in a box? Our response was obviously WRONG, because it accomplished nothing. Al Qeida was replaced with ISIS, one boogieman for another. Make them more evil, and the sheople will fall for more wars. That’s how it usually works, except more people are awake and realize what’s going on. The war mongerer’s keep beating the drum, but most aren’t buying it. What would you suggest we do about the dreaded ISIS?

              • Wrong twice. And you still didn’t answer the questions. Son in law and three friends did their time in Iraq.

                If they had died in Iraq, what would they have died for? Your turn to answer a question.

              • I’m sure there are many reasons. I can name some. I’m sure their answers would be different. I’d like to think they were defending the Iraqi people who’d been being slaughtered by the Husseins. I’d like to think that the US led the charge to Iraq failing to allow weapons inspectors in. For their stonewalling the UN by ignoring 17+ resolutions. We left Iraq in better shape than the Husseins did. A democracy as opposed to a dictatorship. Is that all bad? My family and friends joined voluntarily. It was worth it to them.

              • What you don’t do is invade nations to deal with criminals. Terrorist’s are criminals, not enemy States with governments. The war on terror is a home made method of using fear to subjugate the people and destroy their rights. I know you are not blind to this.

                Let’s review. The TSA hasn’t caught ONE terrorist since their inception. The NSA has spied on the people with a grand total of 1% of a claimed take down of an evil terrorist. FBI, have been caught several times setting people who are weak minded, only to arrest them and claim a “terrorist” has been caught (the Christmas tree bomber in the Northwest was GIVEN the so called bomb to him by the FBI) (the Underwear bomber, your favorite, was put on the plane by the State department, to which they admitted such after they were caught be a respected lawyer). Those are just two of the many.

                So, the rights of the people to be secure in their person’s has been destroyed, effectively killing the 4th Amendment. Let’s add the NDAA and being held forever without a trial or a lawyer, for being SUSPECTED to be a terrorist and now the 5th Amendment is destroyed. They keep trying to destroy the 1st and 2nd, but most of us has had enough and are fighting back.

              • So what would your response have been to 9/11. Remember, they had been plucking away at us for years….

              • Anita, Iraq was none of our business. We decimated their military a decade earlier and they had no teeth. NOT ONE US soldier should have died there. It is not up to our military to tell people how to live on the other side of the planet. Iraqi’s are NOT better off now, to claim so shows how little you know of the country. Your just repeating MSM talking points now.

              • yeah, cause I’m ignorant. Peace Out GMan

              • So what would your response have been to 9/11. Remember, they had been plucking away at us for years….

                By arresting the politicians and the CIA folks who were responsible for the existence of Al Qeida. They are the problem, not the cavemen barbarians with little brains.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Anita….This by no means is to be taken personally in any way.

                Defending the Iraqi people who were being slaughtered by Hussein?. Guys like Assad and Hussein, were secular despotic dictators but with one big difference than idiological dictators, like Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Iran’s leaders……You stay within bounds and recognize the Baathists as the leaders and you could pretty much be left alone, they just killed themselves off for the big seat at the head of the table. The world turned their back on the Kurds and Sunni’s after encouraging them to revolt. Then the US also stood by when the Shia’s were handed control by the US and they started doing unto the Sunni’s and shoved the Iraqi leaders into the Iranian camp accomplishing what 8 years of war provoked by Iran and Khomeni did do after 1M dead. We left iraq a better place?…no there also. We left it a fragmented tribal warring region that in no way shape or form resembles a country. It’s just like the old nursery rhyme about “Humpty Dumpty”
                It was bad enough the way the nation treated the veterans of the Vietnam war. But now the DHS has labeled our returning veterans a potential domestic terror threat……geez thanks

            • Ok…but that is not what was said…..but if that is your intent ok…but what I saw was denigrading the soldiers here.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                My bad the misunderstanding. I was trying to imply that our soldiers were just as much victims as those caught in the middle, the society’s didn’t send themselves to war, they were sent, sometimes against their will. WWII was an understandable action. After that there is much to question about the decisions of politicians. Like you I see a problem with the politics being a driving force in decisions on the battlefield. If we are going to send in the troops, send them to obliterate the enemy. That mostly ended after WWII and the troops had their hands tied. Hence, they were victims too!

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Sir…I can not determine if your comment was directed towards me or someone else. The abuse that was heaped on the returning soldiers from Vietnam was cruel and inhumane. When you’d go through airports even after to have to be given escorts for safe passage. Been through it. Today, the approach is “We support the soldier but disagree with the policy” Only to have Janet Napolitano brand the returning soldiers as potential domestic terror threats. Much less being used like corporate parts to be used up and discarded at will. Changes in policy, WWII, you were in for the duration, period unless unable to continue with wounds or dead. The government had all the incentive to finish the conflict one way or another. The Korean War, pretty much the same. Your enlistment ends but you could not go home…duty went on until it was over (sort of) Vietnam, what 13 months then home. If you made it. Never to return unless volunteering to do so. Today, it’s a revolving door. That has got to be the most stressful life ever conceived by the government and with no incentive to end the conflict. The only way it will stop is when officers resign for allowing immoral activity like stepping aside in Bosnia. If I was there I’d risk the court martial because I personally I could never live with myself when I would know I could have stopped the genocide. Or when soldiers stop enlisting and the forces will just wither away over time.

              • Dale, What happened to the soldiers coming back from Vietnam is a perfect example of them being victims. There was a draft and these young boys were sent without their consent in many cases. That’s a victim to me. Scared forever doing something they probably didn’t want to do. This is the point I was trying to make.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Totally agree. You remember Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers. Snowden is akin to him. Have you noticed the ONLY thing the government and media are talking about is the phone record collection by the NSA “as revealed” by Snowden 2.5 years ago. That was a hot topic way back in Bush’s administration. Not new news. There has been zero mention of the internet and email collection by the NSA and bank transaction records and the SCOTUS ruling that correspondence once it leaves your possession is fair game. That totally is in agreement with your premise the 4th and 5th amendments are dead and 1 and 2 are soon to follow.

                What it boils down to is that the people for the most part have NO principles. Areas that they will just not bend on. In the 60’s and 70’s people would be jumping up and down for the violation of their Constitutional rights. Today they just shrug and say well tat’s reasonable. Whats next when there is no limit?

  12. To understand the legislative process you live under:

    ….again, it is utterly laughable that people believe their votes have meaning….

  13. Economist: Government Preparing to Seize 401(k) Pensions

    Economist Martin Armstrong warns that a Supreme Court ruling last week has set the stage for the federal government to begin seizing private pension funds.

    According to Armstrong, the outcome of Tibble v. Edison, which found that employers have a duty to protect their workers’ 401(k) plans from mutual funds that perform poorly, will grease the skids for the feds to seize private funds and prosecute companies who manage mutual funds badly.

    “Between the court ruling and the Obama administration’s push for stronger fiduciary rules,” the developments send a, “strong message that government can much easier seize the pension fund management industry of course to “protect the consumer,” writes Armstrong, warning that the ruling, “sets the stage to JUSTIFY government seizure of private pension funds to protect pensioners,” when the economy gets “messy”.

    “This fits perfectly just in time for the Obama administration’s next assault as they prepare a landmark change of its own by issuing rules requiring that financial advisers put the interest of customers ahead of their own,” writes Armstrong. “This creates a very gray area wide enough to justify public seizure of pension funds under management.”

    Following the 2008 financial collapse, reports emerged that the federal government was planning to seize the private 401(k) pensions of millions of Americans while enforcing an additional 5 per cent payroll tax as part of a new bailout program that would empower the Social Security Administration to redistribute pension funds “fairly” amongst citizens.

    Armstrong warns that the development is part of a wider move towards “economic totalitarianism,” which is also characterized by efforts to eliminate physical cash altogether in the name of giving central banks more power.

    Numerous prominent individuals have called for hard currency to be banned in recent months, including former Bank of England economist Jim Leaviss, who wrote a piece for the Telegraph which argued that, “Forcing everyone to spend only by electronic means from an account held at a government-run bank would give the authorities far better tools to deal with recessions and economic booms.”

    Earlier this month, German Council Of Economic expert Peter Bofinger also said that imposing a cashless society would make it easier for central banks to enforce their economic policy.

    As we have covered at length, commercial banks are beginning to impose more draconian controls on the withdrawal and depositing of cash, with the practice being treated as a suspicious activity even for relatively modest sums.

    Armstrong, who correctly predicted the 1987 Black Monday crash as well as the 1998 Russian financial collapse, also warned last year that a coming financial collapse will cause widespread riots to erupt in America by 2016

    ….I warned SUFA of this potential years ago…..

    • That is ok…..we still believe in the dollar as there is no substitute out there…..Venezuela has folded…..China is in the process of devaluing their currency….the Ruble is all but dead and the Euro is failing. I have listened to the dollar being obsolete for years and years…..a cashless society….I do not believe that will happen.

      I do not know anyone that has a 401(k)…they have been obsolete for years but I do not grieve for those that still have them….they need to get rid of them now.

      Ya gotta hand it to the academia….they really think they are correct. I am still betting on the USD…..and no financial riots in 2016…..and no martial law…and no melting glaciers and raising of the oceans….we shall see….we shall see.

      • Also……I really do hope none turned over their 401(k) into gold or silver or any metal wthout having physical possession of the metal……if you have only script….too bad.

      • FDIC does not insure nondeposit investment products, even if they were purchased from at insured bank, including: annuities, mutual funds, stocks, bonds, government securities, municipal securities, U.S. Treasury securities.

        Keep in mind that any company that uses its own mechanisims for investment are not very safe. Point in fact, Merrill, Lynch uses Bank of America…all deposits from them go to the Bank of America or within their own portfolio…and even if a bank invests for you… is not a covered FDIC transaction.

  14. I know that Obama as CIC has the authority to speak about veterans and honoring them on memorial day but it is so embarrassing.

    • I did not watch it. It was coming on and I just had lunch, didn’t want to lose it, so I went back outside and enjoyed the nice weather. You guys are getting pounded down there. You can keep it, we had the bad winter 🙂

  15. Naïve Conservative, newborn Tea Party members and wishful Republican enthusiasts expressed rejoice with the GOP gaining a Senate majority in the 2014 election. Yet it was unequivocally ordained that the new majority in the Senate would maintain the same destructive leadership treachery under Harry Reid. The Mitch McConnell leadership era only differs in style when it comes to pushing the same globalist agenda. The Washington Post reports that Obama wins trade victory in the Senate. “A coalition of 48 Senate Republicans and 14 Democrats voted for Trade Promotion Authority late Friday, sending the legislation to a difficult fight in the House, where it faces more entrenched opposition from Democrats.” – See more at:

    • Her is an example of utter bullshit:

      When Boehner Praises Trade Bill Passage, the complicity of the Speaker of the House registers for all to see.

      “Trade helps create good-paying American jobs, so it’s good news that the Senate has put us one step closer to eliminating trade barriers. These reforms have the support of farmers, manufacturers, small business owners, and Americans from all walks of life, and it’s not hard to figure out why,” Boehner says in a statement.

      How can all these people support the reforms when nobody knows what the damn things are? The Republicans have now shown their true colors. They are traitors right along with the Democrats. Different teams my ass 👿

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Removing trade barriers are only 1/2 the equation. The countries have also got to eliminate “worker” barriers also. Sounds like BF but I also have some extremely strong beliefs about how absolutely IMMORAL most corporations are now. Granted they are just legal entities enabled by the government and technically their only responsibility is return to the shareholder regardless of how it is derived.
        One key criteria also for us to have a balance of trade is to produce goods that other countries and people want and can afford besides weapons. The quality of all to many of the “consummer” products is for crap. Things that would rarely fail if ever now die in two years and you can’t get them fixed because they’re now obsolete and the companies refuse to even consider a repair.

        • Ahh Dale, would you sign on to my theory that, as Walt Kelly said in “Pogo” , “We have met the enemy and he is us”.

          Corporations respond to the needs of the stockholders. Our pension plans, endowments, investment vehicles of all types control the majority of shares in these corporations. They are doing it for us and we are blindly unaware or blissfully unaware or complicitly unaware!

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            You do realize I remember “Pogo”…..I read the fine print in my corporate hand books regarding my retirement etc. It is not guaranteed. It may be used at any time, changed, withheld or used elsewhere by the corporation at will never to be seen again by you the retiree. That is why corporate raiders like T.Boone Picket get away with robbing retirement funds of corporations they take over to give a “return and profit” to their partners. And all the business and government does is shrugs and lamentedly says…”it’s the law” sorry.

            • See, I am repeatedly fascinated by institutions: colleges, universities, larger Not For Profits, Foundations etc. who bemoan the loss of the middle class. They hold “endowments” in the billions, mostly of stocks and bonds in which their managers vote for the best return possible. That MAY just include moving 20,000 lucrative middle class jobs out of Ohio to Sri Lanka.

              Same is true for all the pension funds regardless of where they originate, private sector, public sector makes no difference. My NYC pension fund is invested heavily in Corporations that have moved production overseas. We get to vote for union officers but that is it. By and large we do not even bother to think about WHERE our money comes from.

              Few years back had a buddy, former PBR coxswain, who did a whole bunch of years as a long haul Teamster. Man, when those stocks in his pension stopped performing, you never heard the end of it. Five minutes later he was bemoaning the loss of US manufacturing and driving jobs. Just could not see the linkage.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                PBR Coxswain? One of my Grandfather’s ultimate pension was with the railroad. he was a banker before ’29. My other Grandfather had a pension but it was stolen in the 60’s by an executive and he toddled off to Switzerland to live untouched. The parent company “Litton” just shrugged and said tough, not our problem.

              • Sorry, not up on my naval stuff, meant the guy who drives the boat. Bobby drove the “admiral’s barge” on the Newport News. When they went to do fire support in Viet-nam, they adopted a bunch of PBR’s that ran off the cruiser. As a “reward” for being such a good driver, The admiral “volunteered” Bobby onto a PBR. Sort of like the Admiral in “The Americanization of Emily”. Bobby was none too happy having enlisted in the Navy out of High School specifically to avoid going within 3 miles of Viet-nam. He had a lot of really great stories including the Green Beret he kept behind glass as a token of appreciation for “insertions” in places where we never were.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                The coxswain part I got. I forgot about the river patrol boats in the brown water navy.

  16. Very interesting article written by John Blosser, 25 May 2015, entitled Ferguson protestors now protesting over not getting paid. It seems that these professional rioters were offered $5,000 per month to join the protests and be destructive. They were to be paid through M.O.R.E., the successor group to the now bankrupt St Louis branch of ACORN. The protestors have been stiffed, according to the Washington Times.

    M.O.R.E. is funded by billionaire George Soros through his Open Society Foundation (OSF).

    More than 500 protestors travelled from Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Columbus, HOuston, Los Angeles…and a number of other cities to burn, loot, pillage, and kill and be paid $5,000 per month to do this.

    Perfect anarchist breeding ground.

    • This is actually a couple weeks old, but very telling on how the Left wants things to go. One must wonder the reasoning behind this kind of activity. Let’s ask BUCK, he’s one of them.

      Hey Buck, what’s up with this crap?

      Saw some of your weather related event’s down your way, quite ugly and saddening. Many lost lives. Momma Nature can be a real Bitch when she wants to be. Stay dry!

    • P.S. Their actions are not the actions of the Anarchist movement, you, like most, are misinformed on what it is.

      • How about preaching to THEM what YOUR anarchy is. Your condescension is getting very tiring.

        • I’ll leave that to the real Anarchist, the Flagster. I’m not fully in that camp. But since you have continuously ignored that fact, maybe it is your ignorance you should be tiring of 🙂

          • Nice

            • TRUTH, again!

              • Truth-really, seems to me your truth is pretty one sided-by the way their is more than one definition of anarchy. The US isn’t alone in it’s ability to make mistakes and it isn’t always at fault-something your over the top condemnation doesn’t acknowledge-which is why you get so much flak even when people agree with you up to a point.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                So because other countries are evil, it’s ok for the US to be evil too? It’s ok to send the most powerful fighting force on earth to obliterate a foreign nation without just cause? It was ok to destroy millions of lives in Libya, despite the fact they were of no threat to us snd were never going to be. It’s ok for a bunch of criminals yo send good Americans, who want to DEFEND this country, yo their deaths in a Offensive attack against a nation that was not a threat ? Can you please name one other Country that is doing it too? What other military power is currently engaged in such activity that can be used to justify our governments decisions?

              • “So because other countries are evil, it’s ok for the US to be evil too?”

                G you can go off on a tangent and act like the above is what I said or you can change the above to what you post everyday.

                The US is evil and all other Countries are just helpless victims.

              • . The US isn’t alone in it’s ability to make mistakes …

                VH, these are your words, not mine. The US isn’t evil, the corrupt duly elected government is evil. The problem is that we continue to allow the evil to continue unabated. WE can fix that, if WE can ever get enough people to see the light!

      • Not misinformed for me, sir. Anytime you sponsor rioting, looting…etc…that is anarchy… the way….straight out of the Anarchist Cookbook.

        • Maybe it’s a different cookbook than BF’s then, so I’ll let him handle that issue ,he’s the anarchist of the group and doesn’t seem to promote any kind of violence.

          • No sireeeee…….read “The Anarchist Cookbook”… is, ummm, revealing to say the least. And now there is a new version on how to bring this country down using economic means…also entitled The Anarchist Cookbook, version 2000…….I have not read this one yet but the reference that I made above was straight out of the first one.

    • The ACORN anarchists are what the Commies call, “useful tools”. After the revolution, they go first.

  17. Anita, the war for control of your mind has been going on since your birth. Propaganda is everywhere and the globalist’s own the MSM. If you don’t get away from their stranglehold on your thinking, you will continue to lose these rather simple debates. Once again, you came here and shot a personal attack towards me. That’s twice you have done that recently. I can play that silly game with the best of them. If you don’t like personal attacks, don’t throw them at other people, because once you do, you get what you deserve. Running away from the debate because you don’t get your way is childish.

    • You know we are all susceptible to feeling like we are being attacked-I feel that way every time you tell me the MSM has control of my mind just because I don’t agree with you.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        We don’t have many debates. I do sit with you on abortion, just not nearly as strong. You do very well on that subject. If I have ever claimed you were repeating MSM talking points, it was likely that I heard what you were saying , from the MSM. Even not doing so purposely , It can still be done. Ifs not an attack, just stating the obvious.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Got that V???

        Your not stupid because you spew talking points, just because you are stupid.

        Badaboom badabing!

        • I have never called VH stupid nor do I feel that way. Quit being an instigator 👿

          • Let me just put it this way, G, I don’t think it’s your intent to be condescending-but when I read most of your posts, you remind me of the very far left American hating extremists. So maybe just maybe, you should concentrate a little bit more on your words before you start telling people they are childish, controlled by propaganda or instigators.

            • VH, I don’t hate America at all. As I have said over and over, it’s the actions of our government. I don’t understand why you and others can’t seem to grasp that. Maybe it’s my fault, because I people conflate the two as one and the same, because they have trust in the Federal government. If that is the case, I can’t help you or others, I see things for what they are. Anita was childish, I told her so. Tough, the truth can hurt. JAC was instigating, I told him so, tough, the truth hurts sometimes. A large majority of people believe the crap they are fed by the MSM, tough, the truth hurts sometimes. Life sucks when the truth destroys what you may believe, and makes people mad at those who tell them the truth. You’ll get it one day, just like the pro-choicers will get it one day. Your fight against abortion is no different than my fight against the government propaganda everyone is fed. We are much alike, our fights are just different. 🙂

              • Where was I childish Gman? Because I called out your condescension again? And here you are still at it with VH. You started on the colonel this morning saying he was misinformed. You stand on your soapbox proclaiming a bunch of stuff that we sometimes agree with, sometimes we don’t. But let someone call you on something, (not talking about me calling you out, talking about others showing your errors) and you either back waaay off, or YOU start the name calling. Ignorant, sheeple, brainwashed, etc. That is bullshit Gary. We’re not here to win an argument as you are. Everyone here is well read on political issues. Give credit where it’s due. In my Buck voice…it’s not all so black and white and simple as you proclaim. And just because we don’t agree doesn’t necessarily mean that either or any of us is right, including you.

              • Well said Anita! As I read along I heard myself speaking. About time someone else recognized the many shades of gray!!


              • Your are having a childish hissy fit, hence, you are childish. You started the personal attacks, not me, you got what you gave and you don’t like it. Tough poop! I take shit from no one, period. I will admit when I’m wrong, and I may wait to gather more information to counter. I’m not sitting behind the computer all day long, I do stay quite busy, although I try to keep up on the smart phone. I’m cool with VH, as far as I know, I have no problems with her, she don’t just make assumptions and jump on people based on typed words where intent is NOT known.

                To be honest, I was protecting BF when the Anarchist comment came out. We all know what HIS movement is all about and how the term has been hijacked by others. I know this has been posted here way back, but it matters not. D13’s comment wasn’t anything we couldn’t have hashed out, prior to your inflaming comment that wasn’t necessary, especially since the discussion didn’t have your name attached to it. When you choose to intervene in a discussion and attacking ones comments, expect to get your ass kicked in debate, and that’s what happened as you left in a childish snippy fit.

                With that said, maybe by being polite would be a good start. I may be forthcoming and somewhat rough when speaking in generalities, I don’t just jump on people in attack unless provoked. Maybe you should try the latter and avoid these childish events.

              • Stay out of it Buck or your next (ROFLMAO) 😀

                I asked you a question earlier, did you see it?

              • Whatever. I’ll be childish I guess.

                Careful Buck, you’re next 😉

              • See how much better you feel after admitting your wrongs! 🙂

              • Oooh, I’m real scared!!! G – you never were able to take it as good as you like to give it!

                Now, what was your question?

              • Now I was being nice, there ya go having to go personal. Is that the way things are gonna keep going these days? I hope not, I like simple debates. I’ admit that I generalize a lot, but if one don’t have a guilty conscience, it shouldn’t bother them 🙂

                The question was about those who were demanding payment for the Ferguson protest/riots. This has made the news and D13 brought it up again. Considering that ALL of these protests/riots are happening in Democrat controlled areas, and those who want paid are also Democrats (it’s all funded by Soros) my question was : how do you, as a liberal, justify this kind of activity by the left”? See D13’s comment at 9:07 am for more info.

                As far as the subject of the question, it would not surprise me if you are unaware.

              • Why do I need to justify this?

                For one, I don’t know nearly enough about what is being claimed to comment. For two, at purely face value from your comment, I would completely disapprove of such a thing. For three, just because I am liberal does not mean I support nor that I must answer for other individuals who profess to be liberal or with whom I may agree on a number of issues.

              • By the way G, Google is your friend. From a very quick search:


                As I initially thought from your post – the claim has a grain of truth but is much more complicated than made to appear with, you guessed it, shades of gray! Who would have thunk!?

              • Easy Hondo 🙂 You don’t need to justify anything. Just thought you could add your thoughts on the matter. I don’t see you as a far left radical, but as a liberal maybe you could add some understanding of those who engage in this stuff. I wouldn’t think you would approve or even support. That’s where you and other Liberal’s would be different. Many do support it. I think the protests against police brutality are legit. I think the Black Lives Matter movement is political bulldookie. I actually agree with the protesting part. That’s part of Americana, regardless of what I feel on the subject. Free speech should never be quelled, which leads me to THAT question…….maybe later 🙂

              • Buck RE SNOPES Please tell me exactly how this little Soros funded Mom and Pop liberal California stationed website became the worlds all knowing expert on all things? When you can do that, maybe I’ll listen. Sorry my friend, but Snopes ain’t experts on anything and have no credentials that would give them such genius.

              • Snopes, like any other site, should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism. That being said, however, it has proven itself pretty reliable time and time again.

                I have no problem with you questioning its conclusions; I do have a problem with you routinely dismissing the site out of hand.

              • Snopes. No different than you or I. They search the web, pick and chose what they want to believe, write an “OPINION” on the subject. They even link to some MSM articles to try and legitimize their opinions. They are not special, they just happen to hold a similar left wing ideology as you. All combined, illegitimate source. Even Wiki is having some issue with legitimacy, rightfully so in political and historical issues. You should like them, I’m aware of their background and political views. Maybe I should start a right wing EXPERT site to counter them, then both would be right where the two side of the media are, at odds.. Funny stuff! 🙂

              • Hey, not my fault that the truth has a liberal bias!


  18. This puts the run-up to the second Iraq War into perspective. Iraq had no involvement in the September 11 attacks but an expedient narrative was effectively fabricated by the Neocon dominated Bush Administration. At that time George W. Bush famously warned, “Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists” while directly invoking the dualism of good versus evil (as he often did during his presidency). Straussian Neocons were not bothered by the fact that the narrative was at best incomplete and at worst abjectly false.

    This article explains the NEOCONS in detail. Pretty decent article.

    • Methinks, there were a lot of good reasons to knock out Saddam but the appalling failure to plan for the “afterwards” astounds me. Remember Saddam did a lot of bad things, Kurds, Marsh Arabs, Kuwait. Paul Bremer and perhaps Cheney and Rumsfeld should be forced to live out their sunset years in an Iraqi over 55 facility.

      Simplistic though it may be in situations like that, Kill the SOB by any means necessary then leave with the adviso that if “they”, the locals, don’t get it right, we will be back and not be so nice the next time. The Roman way.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Sure there were reasons to ultimately take saddam out, but it took and awful long time. The Kurds suffered their gassing and chemical attacks while Bush I was still in power. The shia in the south started getting theirs leading up to gulf war 1 and during. They were incited to revolt by the Iranians (being the majority) of Iraq. The Iranians underestimated even with our aid Iraq’s will. Plus with Saddam just gaining full power in ’79 they thought he’d be a pushover. lWhen the Ayotollas decimated their own military leadership after the shah fell didn’t help. Kuwait suffered when they called in the note of money “loaned” to Iraq to fight Iran and continue buying arms from Russia. They kept their skirts clean as did the saudi’s. Bottom line the world really didn’t care about the attempted genocide of the Kurds and still don’t and Saddam is long gone. It is not in Iran’s, what’s left of Iraq, Turkey or Syrian interests to have any part of Kurdistan re-emerge as a independent national entity.

      • Methinks, there were a lot of good reasons to knock out Saddam …

        Just curious SK, how did you come about these feelings? The internet was not real prominent in the 90’s, especially the first half. For the most part, it was cable MSM that was the main provider of info before the internet’s alternative media became relevant, long before. I ask to establish a baseline of how information was provided to the people.

  19. @ Gman…you said…” Terrorist’s are criminals, not enemy States with governments.” No sir…you are wrong, in my estimation…..they are proxy’s fighting for a state that is funding them. Al Queda and ISIS are not operating solely on the black market for their funding….they are funded by Iran and there is no denying that. I will NEVER buy the assumption that terrorists are a function of law enforcement….although you can take the term law enforcement and it also means the military….semantics is a wonderful game and a perfect dodge.

    • Al Queda and ISIS are not operating solely on the black market for their funding….they are funded by Iran and there is no denying that.

      If there is no denying that (which I do deny, by the way) then why haven’t we bombed them into oblivion? Why attack Iraq and Afghanistan if we know it’s Iran that’s the problem? Answer, because Iran is not the problem. ISIS has already been proven to be an invention of the CIA, through released government documents, as I have posted earlier.

      Too be fair, I have heard the Iran is funding them as well, except with little or no physical evidence. I believe if there were some real evidence, the nuts in DC would have it all over the TV trying to get support to feed the military industrial complex more. They have done no such thing, which tells me that there is little truth to the claim. Instead, they are negotiating with them over their nuclear program.

  20. Talking about a whole different level of Stupid. Here (I hope) is a piece supposedly by Lee. Ermey (perhaps by his publicist?) on watching some “great” war flicks to celebrate Memorial Day. I will give a pass to “The Boys of Co. C” which I consider almost unknown but quite good. The others are so damn cartoonish as to be embarrassing. Afterwards is my response to him on Facebook.

    Yesterday, as usual, I led my Boy Scout Troop in the Memorial Day Parade for the 30th time? We listened to the speeches and of course heard about the “honored dead”. If the honored had a choice it probably was not to be dead and this should be remembered most of all. That was a sacrifice and “trite” movies like “Full Metal Jacket” and “Apocalypse Now” make a mockery of that. Movies that show real people we can see as being our friends and not cartoon characters like in the above are what we should be looking for. The death of young Lt. Geohegan in “We were Soldiers” or the bravery of young Sgt. Savage in the same film say more than all the BS movies ever made. The combat stress and the astounding loss rate of the 8th Air Force alone (more than the entire Marine Corps in the PTO in WW 2) as portrayed in “12 O’Clock High are what we should see. The of course there is the haunting “Band of Brothers”. Thank God those guys lived long enough to tell their tale. Every year before that parade I pick a soldier, sailor or airman, preferably in his teens who died. I tell their story to kids just a bit younger than them. I ask my kids to remember them, remember their mothers, fathers, the wives they never married, the children they never had and because of my age, the grandchildren never born who should have been marching alongside them today. War is a very bittersweet thing. The best friendships we ever had the worst sorrows we ever experience.

    • Well said…..well said….I will always remember my late father,,,,if you recall, he was navy and as an ensign, in charge of LCVP’s that unloaded the marines onto the beaches. He once told me that it was an interesting thing to talk to the marines before they loaded the boats before their ride to the beach….they were not college drop outs or the poor…these marine privates were car salesmen and bank presidents and plumbers and electricians and small business owners, sports heroes……etc…..but they were privates and stormed the beaches and they died. Position did not matter to them….but what they did…mattered.

  21. Anita….I think you have your answer….the soldiers that took an oath and went to fight is not the issue with Gman….it is with BF…(But BF is consistent in his beliefs and feelings about the military)..Gman’s whole issue is the political trappings of sending our troops to battle when we are not being threatened. And he is correct is some circles. Most of those issues with Iran and Iraq were for political and economic issues. ( Hence his feelings about sending men to die for corporate greed ).

    Look….let’s take Vietnam as an example. It was a proxy war during the cold war days. It was a political thinking of the old “Domino Theory”….However, I still went to fight there. I went because as a soldier, I was told to go. I took an oath and I fulfilled my oath. Now, whether or not it was for good reason…..hindsight is 20/20. But allow me to expound on what I saw once I was there. I will start with the Michelin Rubber Plantations around SE Asia. Those plantations produced the rubber that made the tires that went on military vehicles….hence, MIchelin’s rubber plantation did not get damaged nor bombed even though it was a safe haven for the North Vietnamese to stage. Allow me to further complicate the issue….since I was there. There were only two concessions for serving beer. It was locked down by two corporations. Bell helicopter located in Texas supplied the Huey’s……no other corporation was allowed to even bid nor manufacture the Hueys. Food, ammunition, weaponry…..not supplied from all over the world…but by specirfic vendors that had a lock on the market. The billions of dollars…..went right into the coffers of the politicians.

    It was NOT a free market at all……but created by the politicos abroad….the Vietnam war also kept us out of a recession. Both dems and repubs alike kept the war going when it could have been over in 48 hours.

    This is where Gman is coming from…the atrocities of the political arena. He did not state it quite right above but this is where he is coming from…..BF is different.

    Now, most people want to believe that our system is best….that we are the saviour of the world…that it is our responsibility to stop atrocities that are no threat to us. We had a saying in Vietnam and we made up songs about trying to save Vietnam from the Vietnamese. It is not our responsibility to be the worlds policeman and over throw despots and dictators to be replaced by US sponsored Despots and Dictators. We are not going to change the landscape….

    Now as a soldier, even though I might disagree with the politics, I will go where I am told to go. That is what soldiers do. We do not associate ourselves with political issues….as a soldier, you have two choices and ONLY two choices…..taking your oath seriously and go or you can resign and get out of the service. Those are your only options, as a soldier.

    You will never get away from the comments of murderer, as a soldier….I endured that from Vietnam to Desert Storm to Afghanistan. The anarchists will call you a murderer because you followed orders. Anarchists expect you to disobey. So, bottom line, if you wish to disobey….get out of the service and do it. In the service, I will expect you to honor the oath.

    • Only one thing Colonel and you will have to take my word on it since it would be hard to pull the tapes. On the 10th anniversary of the Fall of Saigon, “Nightline” spent a week in Viet-nam. They interviewed everybody from Giap to Lee Duc To (who profoundly thanked his “friends” in the USA who made the victory possible). The most telling interview for me was with the President of the Malaysian Federation who took the time, in English, to thank the Americans for their sacrifice in holding the line while the other countries in the area stabilized after Independence. He, believed in the Domino theory.

      • LOL….no sir….I believe it. I have seen many interviews….and have even talked to a NOrth Vietnamese Colonel..They always knew they would win.

        • Damn! It’s positively amazing, you can find anything on the internet! Wonder who catalogs all this stuff?

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          You could possibly have talked to the same North Vietnamese Colonel I did. If anyone in the leadership even read about the history there, you’d have known we’d never have won. Was the North very consistant on saying that they had no ambition beyond the unification of Vietnam, their country, they absolutely were. They were the ones who put an end to the genocidal maniacs in Cambodia, not the UN or the world. The Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot really would have been a threat if not stopped.

          My internet is acting up so I can not pull up the data, but I believe the overwhelming amount of munitions dropped and defoliated in Vietnam were on the very people and territory we allied with and trying to save.

          • I realize that the Commie Pinko correspondent Peter Arnett probably made it up but it was a good line. “Too bad we had to destroy eh village to save it”

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              I researched and wrote in the late 60’s. Nothing to do with Arnett. My original stuff was from scientific studies and statistics. The junk science that McNamara was using. It’s just my memory has also reached the saturation point and I have to delete early or unused files. Wasn’t Arnett a piece of work, though? My other two all time favorites at different times were Dan Rather and Turner head of CNN after the 1st gulf war. I always liked the way Eisenhower handled the press. Gentlemen, I’m going to tell you the plan, just so you’ll stop guessing and running around. However, I shot anyone who leaks the plan. After the invasion print all you want, the germans know where we’re at. (all paraphrased)

    • D13, Thanks for doing a better job of clarifying things. You are spot on about being in the military, politics never played a role in our actions, we just did what we were asked. That could be because in the past, we were young and didn’t pay much attention to politics. To be honest, it has only been the last 12 years or so that I have come to the conclusions as you posted above. Back in my younger days, I had faith that our government was acting with morals and ethics and all that stuff. Like BF, I have had a bit of an awakening. WE both see the same evil in government, we just aren’t on the same page as how to fix it. I’m closer to his side than that of the NEOCON’s by a long shot.

      But I also believe if our nation is attacked by a foreign country, it’s ass kicking time. I’m all fro self defense and if attacked, we obliterate them to ensure they won’t want to attack anyone again. What really changed my mind about our current group of criminals in DC was the bombing of Libya. That really pissed me off, because they had not done squat to us, nothing, nada. That is not the kind of thing that I stand for as an American. As a vet, I will not accept putting our troops in harms way without just cause, and I think Iraq was simply wrong. They were no threat to us or our allies, they were neutered a decade earlier. The end of the first Gulf War taught Iraq a valuable lesson. I’m sure you remember the “Highway of Death”. The shear violence of that ended the war.

      Once again, thanks fro clarifying my thoughts, you did it better than me, for sure 🙂

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I was sceptical enough in the 60’s with Vietnam. I still enlisted and did my service in the Navy. During that duty and we saw the set up and betrayals and the punch in the late 70’s regarding policy in Iran and elsewhere in the M/E and NOTHING to this day has changed my mind of the wrong-headedness of that policy, because our data and analysis independently collected is like reading from a script for the past 35 years of subsequent US government action. Wrong then and still wrong.

        The government did not do 9/11 but they sure as hell took advantage of it. Rahm Emanuel’s and Hillary’s mantra…”never let a crisis go to waste”

  22. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Just out of Cleveland and a settlement with the Feds….

    The settlement calls for new use-of-force guidelines, a focus on community engagement, accountability reforms, training on bias-free policing and a mental health advisory committee.

    My solution to this whole mess in the cities and elswhere with these police issues. Black officers only patrol the black areas, or any proportion there-of. We’ll see where that goes. No racial bias, except I’ll believe the black officers will kick the crap out of suspects and law breakers. Just one more excuse has to be put to bed for non-performance and getting on with life. I’ll bet that even if we’d strip the crime stats of all BS crimes like traffic and auto maintenance and even drugs the areas in the news today will still force the police to have a very visible and heavy patrol presence….bets anyone?

    • gmanfortruth says:

      No bets from me! But I can lay out a pretty good case that the govt was in the know of 911. That’s to easy! I’m seeing a war on cops for some reason. At least by the blacks and the DOJ. That’s very fishy and will play a big role in the near future

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        In the know exactly and a party to, is a long way from hearing a lot of stuff and chatter through intelligence sources. As I said before, I flew back from Amsterdam 2 days before 9/11. All US carriers and people boarding were being searched, interviewed like I’ve never seen before, including children. Flights going elsewhere were business as usual. Even during the 70’s hijackings, attacks in airports in Italy etc. even traveling during the 1st gulf war in Europe, it was business as usual. Now, I hate domestic travel and dealing with the TSA, much less due to all the cuts in services, literally running from one terminal to another to get the connecting flight. At least in Europe it’s a bit more professional and you’re treated with dignity. Besides the guy in the corner or on the catwalk intimidates you pointing the machine gun at you. It makes you behave.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Now being incompetent and not being able to add 2 + 2 is without question. At least for public view. Being political animals and telling what the masters want is also a no brainer. And knowing what side your bread is buttered on and where your pay check comes from will also in affect. The political leaders of the intelligence groups gets replaced, but the beast shoulders on unimpeded and get even bigger.

        I remember during the 1st gulf war and all the talking heads prattling on about this and that, there was one that hit it on the head. He was an economist. He flat out said that Iraq was a facade and there is no way that after 8 years of the Iran Iraq war and their economy in a shambles they are no where near the power and threat that the government and media were portraiting. he said if they were as powerful and dangerous as they say, we as a world should bow to Saddam and learn from him about economics and waging war and feeding and stockpiling goods enough. No nation has ever done that, they’re genius’s. Of course he was being cynical and was correct in his analysis…..did the CIA miss the meltdown of the Soviet Union……nobody can be that blind. But were we as a nation helping push Russia over the edge economically by building weapon systems they could not counter absolutely. Did we knock off every russian client state in the ME, YES. We did also by setting up the Ayatollas and totally destabilize the southern islamic countries in the Soviet Union, hastening te USSR’s demise, absolutely, it was and is continuing as our national policy since WWII, maybe even since the Bolshevik revolution.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          There are only three buildings with steel skeletons to ever collapse due to fire. All hsppened on the same day, same place, 2 were hit by aircraft, of which the impact was not enough to cause an immediate failure. Both suddenly couldn’t ‘t hold the weight and fell into their footprint. That is either magic or bullshit. The third building, not hit by aircraft , also fell in it’s footprint. Despite the fact that the heat generated by jet fuel, office fires or desiel fuel doesn’t burn nearly hot enough to cause such failures, magic occurred and poof, they all fell straight down, I know bullshit when I see it, and the collapse of building 7 was very smelly bullshit. But, physics is forgotten because the official story says so. But, magic is just that, magic

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Let me add that the technology to fly remotely was there. Don’t you find it odd that Mommad Attahs passport magically was found unscathed?

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            To conclusively test whether of not the twin towers coming down as they did….it would have been worth the expense to build exact replicas in a praire somewhere and fly two fully fueled planes into them….sans people either in the planes or in the buildings…and see what happens..

            • Cheap shit construction. You did not have horizontal girders you had these trusses which have strength but are woefully light and thin. About half way up the twin towers they stopped using asbestos on the steel trusses because of the howling about the lung cancer link. Above they used a poorer fireproofing. Probably didn’t matter, the asbestos was sprayed on. The impact probably dislodged it anyway.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                SK….I’m with you….If I remember correctly after the conviction of the “blind Sheik” for the 1st bombing, the FBI flew him over the towers and said snarkly..”they’re still there” I believe the sheik’s retort was next time we’ll use a bigger device.

              • Cheap shit construction.

                Not buying that at all! That’s an excuse that simply doesn’t fit the physics test. Even without any fireproofing, it still wasn’t hot enough.

              • WTC 7 is a different issue. It cooked all day. My question to you, were the plotters trying to kill Guilliani and the NYC hierarchy? Disaster Central was located there and not in a bunker somewhere else . Guilliani himself says he was trapped in the building for some time.

              • Ah, the great scientifically illiterate repeats nonsense.

                You cannot grasp the science of metallurgy at all, SK.

                Take a spoon and put in a fire. Take it out after 10 minutes, and measure the temperature of the spoon. It will be at the temperature of the fire. Note, it did not melt.

                Keep the spoon in the fire all night. Take it out and measure the temperature.
                It will not have increased. It will STILL be at the temperature of the fire, and note, IT STILL HASN’T MELTED.

                It is this rampant ignorance that continues to blind you and others.

              • I know why you are so rabidly confused about heat, and it is because you do not understand at all the science.

                Do this experiment – I did this experiment with a bunch of homeschool kids at a camp out as a lesson in heat transfer. You should do it and you will gain insight into the mechanics of heat exchange, and why “time” of “cooking” matters and does not matter, depending on the material

                Put a bunch of metal washers in a Styrofoam cup and fill another with water.
                Put both into a fire.
                Estimate when the Styrofoam cup evaporates.
                The kids guessed both would disappear at about the same time.

                The metal washer filled cup disappeared almost instantly, dropping the washer into the center of the fire. The next day, the washers were still there, unchanged.

                The water cup, however, lasted for 15 minutes.

                SK, the question to you is “why?”
                In this answer will come insight to why it is irrelevant that WTC7 burned an hour, a day a week a year, and why *it is impossible to claim fire brought it down*

              • Dale, after losing a few, the Egyptians figured out why during the construction of the “bent” pyramid. You know a lot of useless trivia too. Been to Catholic School?


              • Here is what I am going to do Flag, I have a one inch steel bar left over from a casement window demo. I will put it across my Char-Broil grill next time I use it. Bar is about thirty inches, grill about 28. I will then place a 5lb. barbell on the middle and see what happens. I do not expect any melting but I do expect the bar to deform and fall into the grill with the bar bell.

              • Go for it.
                But remember, that steel is NOT the steel they put into buildings.
                What you should really do is get the steel they use for buildings, which, by the way is almost the same steel as the grill you put your steaks on, not your window sill steel.

                I mean, you cook right? You’ve seen and used the grills over fire pits, right? They are still there, night after night, month after month, year after year of use, right? Why don’t they melt?

                Additionally, you raise a point that defeats your own position.
                If, by some failure of construction, the steel was substandard.
                As you will note in your potential experiment, let’s say the bar you use does bend under the weight. Where does it bend?

                The bending is asymmetrical.
                It is a scientific fact that asymmetrical failure causes asymmetrical collapse, NOT a symmetrical one, due to the conservation of momentum law.

                WTC7 was a symmetrical collapse. (As was WTC 1 and 2).

                Either you must deny a law of physics for your theory to exist OR your collapse theory is wrong.

                Not a good spot to place your theory into, SK.

            • Dale, would love to see it too, but, never going to happen. You don’t think the elite ruling class wants exposed do you? 🙂

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Sure it you get the blast furnace effect, Did you ever go up the Towers? It had hurricane like winds up the elevator shafts. Just like a good old chimney fire.

                The egyptians had a number of their mega structures collapse before they totally figured out the construction methods. Wasn’t the towers the first built with those construction methods? Toss in a whole lot of I’m sure corrupt contractors, mob affiliated and otherwise and city officials in NYC having a bigger role…now that I’d believe.

              • OH MY. There has been nothing scientifically reported on the subject of shoddy work or materials. But, considering how poor the governments story is, I guess that would be a great excuse for a 40 story building just falling down for no logical reason. I guess reaching has no bounds when the facts don’t support the “official story”. I guess it’s because people just don’t want to believe that those they elected could do such a thing. The insider trading and how stocks were dropped like bricks the day before wasn’t a clue either. HMM, makes one wonder if people will ever question their masters or try and end their corruption. Sad day if that’s true.

  23. Just A Citizen says:

  24. Dale A Albrecht says:

    I may be assuming the wrong ideals for BF. I do not in any way believe he is what can be called an anarchist. However, I do stongly believe he is ANTI-nationalist. A nationalistic fervor puts barriers in the way and he is then limited in moving and selling his services as he sees fit. I’ve run into that. A company may have wanted my services but their government stood in the way and placed restrictions that the company could not afford or justify in paying.

    I believe though that as the world turned from “Colonialism” because it became bad form, pretty much ending in the mid 60’s, a new method accomplishing the same means had to be developed and that is “International Corporatism” ….an old friend from Colombia was actually quite hostile towards international businesses here and in the UK. Companies who had the outsourcing contract settled labor complaints with a .45 followed by a comment…any more suggestions? Both practices can be good and both can be evil beyond the pale. I hate to say it but just follow the slime. American corporations are not the only ones. All former colonial powers have followed the same path and use proxy forces or direct military force to “protect” business interests. If the business practice was fairly run to the satisfaction of all parties concerned there would be no need for intervention. But we wind up with Somoza, Batista, Marcos Suharto only to name a few.

  25. News that likely won’t make the MSM. In Cleveland, there are protest’s. There are likely paid protestors. There are Red Communist’s there. More to come later.

  26. In the CT world today: Weather wars over Texas in response to Governors response to Jade Helm 15 exercise. Thought that would amuse some of you, 🙂

  27. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Trust us with your information says the government and IRS. It’s secure…..ha and double ha. Just announced, thieves came right in through an on-line service provided by the IRS and stole information.

  28. Dale, no offense taken. You’ve always been polite. TBH I was taken aback when the call was given to go into Iraq, didn’t agree with it at the time. It wasn’t all bad was my point. You stated why you thought it wasn’t a good move, points all well taken. You have hindsight, though too. We were a shell shocked nation at the time, united in the mission to take down evil. Looking back now, many mistakes were made. Still are. We can agree on that.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Interestingly, Bob Woodward gave an interview this past weekend stating that Bush was the one who had doubts and told the CIA “not to stretch the WMD issue to justify the war”. That Bush was pushing against until the “war plans” starting coming in showing the invasion could be completed in weeks rather than a year or two.

      He made the most important point as part of another answer about whether Obama messed up by taking all the troops out. He said that “if we are going to be the major power in the world then we need to take action that ensures the global goals are met”. Something to that affect.

      The point is “if we are to be the world leader”. That is the key question, along with WHEN is it appropriate to INTERVENE in the affairs of others.

      If we take on the role of USA only then intervening is wrong, except in our own defense.

      BUT………if we are going to be the Global Police and the Hegemonic power we not only can but MUST intervene.

      This obviously creates the risk of abuse of such authority as the USA interests begin to displace the goal of “enforcing the peace” or “enforcing order”.

      Do we have a “responsibility”, or maybe a “moral obligation” to defend those in the world we see as being oppressed, exploited, murdered, etc, etc, etc..???

      Some of us can rant about how Iraq did not attack us all they want. It is only meaningful to those who accept the principle that we should not be the world’s police. Problem is that not everyone accepts that principle. Not everyone in the USA and not everyone in the world.

      Let us not forget that we are often chastised for NOT intervening almost as much as FOR intervening.

      Given the state of the world on 9/12/2001 I think Bush made the right Strategic moves. His administration failed on the “tactical” level let alone the failure to deal with “nation building” after you destroy the existing institutions. His other mistake was the STATED doctrine of “pre-emptive” strike based on perceived future threats. This allowed Putin to use Bush’s own words to justify his invasions of other countries. Now I say that assuming that we have a role to play in such matters and are not operating under the notion we should only respond to being attacked.

      This of course does raise the question to the “quasi isolationists” as to how we respond to being attacked by NON STATES. G raised the issue of knowing when a State attacks. But what do you do when a group attacks and you know that group is located within a State? Are we to simply ignore them and wait until they come out to play somewhere else??

      Now I have a question for all those Monday morning QB’s relative to our mixing it up in the Middle East.

      What do you think the world would look like today if we had not invaded Iraq?

      What would it look like if we had not invaded Afghanistan and Iraq?

      • I read the Woodward interview earlier too. A good case can be made from both sides, moral and political. That’s where my problem lies. Wrong morally, right politically. When my life is on the line, I’m going to do what I need to do to stay alive. That creates moral problems. Your followup questions….I’m not even going to try 😉

      • What do you think the world would look like today if we had not invaded Iraq?

        Depending on the source, here’s what we WOULDN”T be talking about

        This includes all civilians and military. The saddest part is none of this was needed. All those who came home wounded and scarred for life, shameful. When will people wise up and stop wanting to kill each other?


        The numbers are just higher, terrorism still exists, nothing has changed except more hurt and dead people.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Taking the 2nd gulf war and both the Afghan and Iraq campaign as a whole. Regardless it took time to sort out how to put Humpty Dumpty back together again and get a good solid hearts and minds program going. The people had to believe we were going to stick. Unfortunately our current political leadership walked and we have destroyed any trust that might have been good to have in the bank for future diplomatic or military activity. Afghanistan has been betrayed 2X, once when the Soviets left and currently now, I believe the US and Britain should have pressured Kuwait and the Saudi’s to just write off the money, because Iraq was their proxi and enabled them to stay clean in the Iran war. Saddam would have had no excuse and I doubt if he would have invaded Kuwait if that had happened. Also the slant drilling into Iraqi fields. Kuwaiti’s don’t dirty their hands with such dirty and manual work.

        I still think there are greater forces at work here than the mess either in the past or now in the ME that make it an actual sideshow.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Thanks Anita….Even though while in the Navy my up front work was ostensibly in communications groups, a large portion of the groups activities was intelligence gathering. Some of the sites are now rolled up into the NSA. I’ve seen the orders directing the Marines in Tehran to NOT defend the embassy months prior to the takeover. I’ve seen the direct threats by the Iranians at least 6 months prior spelling out exactly what they were going to do. With Iraq, with us and Israel. It is still unfolding but getting closer to its culmination. It’s taken decades but all international events do not happen between commercials and the weekly news cycle.

      My big problem of late is the rush to take out countries for “humanitarian” reasons prior to any event. ie Libya. Our very own dear friend the Colonel has related his stories in Bosnia about orders to NOT stop the genocide there. Several of the items I’m relating started to occured way back in ’79. For humanitarian reasons do not cut it with me anymore and I start thinking alternate motives. Just from experience starting with knowing some of the political “ad” people for Johnson’s ’64 campaign and they are still proud of the lies. Because they say Vietnam was Nixon’s war. My memory is not so bad that I do not remember Johnson’s excuse for sending 500,000 good American boys to a foreign war over a minor event in the Gulf of Tonkin.

      As much as I believe VP Biden is an idiot he did say one thing correctly during the clean-up of trying to put Iraq back together and that was he believed it should be 3 countries. He was correct. Iraq as a whole was like putting 3 chemicals togther that have explosive properties. Yugoslavia was the same. Most African nations are the same. They can only be held together by force. The marriages of nationhood were not made voluntarily, but by external colonial and business interests.

      • I love reading your’s and the colonel’s stories. You’ve had some awesome experiences. Bittersweet in a way. My biggest problem is all the scheming, back room, spying, lying, spinning, etc that leads to make the claims of ‘humanitarism’ necessary. Nobody can trust anybody. It’s all ridiculous.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Unfortunately that’s what makes it all work. Nobody trusting anybody. It allows the powers to be, whoever they may be, to manipulate and exploit the situation. In the past, present and future. There was a movie several years ago with I believe Dennis Quaid and Forest Whitaker about an assasination and interviewing witnesses including themselves and then trying to piece together what happened. You’d think nobody saw the same event. I think it was called “Vantage Point” I always try and fall back on an old story about how do three blind men describe and elephant….nobody is absolutely correct and nobody is absolutely wrong.
          I’m sure that you have participated in a workshop that you take the circle and one person reads a note. Then they whisper it to their neighbor. All around the room. When it reaches the person who started the “actual” saying and would hear the final result the start and the finished statement rarely were even close. How do we all think big complicated events would turn out…….

      • Man…don’t you get tired of hearing that Vietnam was Nixon’s war? Doesn’t anybody read history? The first actual combat troops that were sent……were sent by President Dwight D Eisenhower…in the 50’s after the French got their ass kicked…..the war was then escalated by President John F. Kennedy when he sent the first Special Forces troops over there as “advisors”….Well, I have been a fuly armed combat “advisor”….so…explain again why this was Nixon’s War?

  29. Buck, RE: shades of gray. I read an interesting poll today that you would probably like. It basically said that more Americans are heading LEFT on the political spectrum. It’s one of the rare polls that I can see first hand when surfing the net. This seems to be the direction we are heading and I feel deeply sorry for the unborn children who will have to deal with it. Trying to equate what I see as a typical Lefty, I see Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal as what we will and are becoming. Hasn’t worked so good for them, but, none the less, that’s where we are going. Sure glad I live in the country where there is still some freedom left. The cities are becoming police states, which is where Liberalism will take us.

  30. AS a note to all, there will be a fresh thread tomorrow in the morning. Sometime around 7 am or so. Peace be with all of you and God Bless those who Momma Nature has them in harms way. Tough times for lots of good people. Keep them in your prayers and thoughts 🙂

  31. In the creepiest story today not involving the Duggar family, a Kenyan lawyer named Felix Kiprono has told The Nairobian newspaper that he plans to ask President Barack Obama for his 16-year-old daughter Malia Obama’s hand in marriage when the president visits his country later this summer. And he’s willing to offer a dowry consisting of 50 cows, 70 sheep and 30 goats.

    Hilarious 🙂

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      If I was Barack I’d hold out until he offers a dozen camels also, especially with the impact climate change.

  32. Dale A Albrecht says:

    To the Colonel….I just got done watching the “Westerner” with Gary Cooper and Walter Brennan….classic film

    • Yep…watched it also….lots of old movies showing again,,,and it is a classic……watched the Ox Bow Incident also….another classic.

  33. Ok Buck….what day is it???????BUck Buck Buck…come on…what day is it? Oh and to steal your phrase

    WHASSUP with New York? A school once again utilizing segregation……for educational purposes….Newburgh, NY. I just watched a news cast that had a young black psychologist. a Dr. Chuck Williams, saying that segregated classes by race is and should be ok for teaching and learning purposes…..and he is right about one thing….even in an integrated school…..races segregate anyway in their clicks…..he goes on to say, you cannot stop segregation no matter what you do. You do not see sharks swimming and playing with tuna….they swoop in an eat them.

  34. @ Buck….and you are correct about SNOPES….take it with a huge grain of salt…..sometimes they get close. Sometimes Wiki gets its……sometimes….

  35. I will try to check in ocassionally today…….I have the unpleasant task of certifying estate inventory today… an executor and trustee of several family trusts and will…….it is not a pleasant thing to do…you end up being no one’s friend. THERE ARE NO GRAY AREAS….it is what it is, Sir Buck !!!….lol…. Luv ya man.

    • Good luck with that Colonel. We did that too. It’s a monumental task going through every last paper clip. Luckily there were absolutely no, meaning zero, hard feelings in my family. Mom died 5 years ago and we just got the last payout from her employer last month. It was underfunded in ’10…money came from somewhere. We can close the estate account now.

  36. Consequences of min. wage come home

    ““You’re like, ‘I’ll do anything and apply for everything, but usually it’s an electronic filing and you’re spending all your time on it and never hear back. So far, I have applied for around 30 jobs, if not more, and have heard back on two of them. I didn’t get either job because I don’t have enough experience. These are entry-level jobs, but experienced people are taking them.””

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