When the Facts are Ignored

thF5S00YEIMore often than not these days, facts of events or controversial subjects are all too often ignored.  Mainly because those facts don’t fit the agenda, therefore they are just tossed out like old leftovers from the refrigerator.  This has been on full display recently, beginning with “Hands Up Don’t Shoot”, which has evolved into a clearly racist movement known as Black Lives Matter.  VH posted this recently:

Then we have this and one can have a field day with her statements-but before I did someone would need to explain to me just what the heck this means:

“If you don’t tell black people what we need to do, then we won’t tell you all what we need to do,” Jones said. “This is, and has always been, a white problem of violence. There’s not much that we can do to stop the violence against us.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/08/18/video-hillarys-meeting-with-blacklivesmatter-gets-tense-as-activists-accuse-her-of-victim-blaming/

What white problem of violence are these people speaking of?  Is there an epidemic of violence against black people that is not being reported on the news? As is normal with any Progressive movement, the facts don’t match the agenda.  I’ll show that chart below.  But let’s try telling these people the truth.  If black lives matter, then march on Chicago or Baltimore, where black on black crime is an epidemic.  March on Planned Parenthood for eliminating as much as 50% of all black pregnancies via abortion, then selling the baby parts for profit.  March to your local election booth and vote out the Democrats, who for decades have held political rule of those inner cities with the worst crime rates.  Stop believing the old worn out lie that Republicans (or Independents) will take your welfare.  If you had a better education and more jobs, like many that the Democrat policies keep out of your communities, you wouldn’t need welfare, you could actually support yourselves, get off the government teat and leave the drugs and violence in the dust bin of history.

But you won’t.  Because facts don’t matter.  If facts don’t matter, then frankly, why should black lives matter?  Because here are the facts:

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  1. gmanfortruth says:

    As is the norm, all subjects are open for discussion. including this one 🙂

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      This is particularly damning statistics considering the Blacks represent 12% of the nations population.

      People like Sidney Poitier, Colin Powell, Condelezza Rice, Clarence Thomas and even Martin Luther King showed the way. Unfortunately the black leaders today denigrate most successful blacks as being “Uncle Tom’s” and encourage emulation of Snoop Dog.

      To me the leaders objective is retaining power over their flock. It they’d encourage success one will be out of a job because the problem will be solved.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I will go out on the limb and simply say it’s the governments fault, completely. Although the blacks propensity for violence is quite alarming, that can be changed. Get the gubmint out of everyone’s lives, to every extent possible, and things will get better for everyone.

        • G, it did not used to be. These are all the results of social engineering from the ’60’s. Dan Moynihan predicted it and was on the money. Black crime was little different from white, black illegitimacy was little different from white.

          I grew up in the 1950’s exactly 10 blocks north of Harlem. While “Never the twain should meet”, there was peaceful coexistence and blacks and whites could walk into each others neighborhoods for shopping or a Sunday stroll with no problems. Teenagers were a different matter and it did not really make a difference about race. Whites of a different ethnic group were just as likely to get hassled. Hell, whites of the SAME ethnic group would get hassled for being on the wrong block!

          Took the granddaughters to church last weekend. Wife dressed them to the nines as they used to say. The pastor looked at them and made a comment that it was nice to see kids dressed up like the old days. Said to him, “It’s always 1958 in my house”. Surprisingly he replied, “Too bad it’s not 1958 everywhere”. My pastor was pretty liberal but I think recent events have him rethinking things.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            If only things were as simple as the good old days 🙂 Too many brainwashed sheople these days, and things are getting worse.

          • Yes, indeed, SK.

            But what is fearful is white class is catching up, indeed accelerating, to be equal with the Black class, for the same reason.

            You are correct. Blacks and Whites post war to 1967 were about equal in wage, marriage/divorce and single parent homes. Then the Black “rights movement”, and blacks wage collapsed, divorce went up, marriage went down and an incredible increase in single (woman lead) households. A disaster.

            The stats equally show that by the 1990’s, whites were suffering the same collapse for the same reason, massive increase in welfare programs. Wages are coming into parity for this class; low. Divorce up, marriage down and an incredible increase in single (white woman lead) households. A disaster.

            Black women were massively eager to join the welfare state and kick out their man; degenerate the black male as an hyper-aggressive ape (that he wasn’t), and feed themselves and their kids from the avails of the State. With no surprise, their men turned into the very thing the Black women saw them to be

            Now, its the white males turn….. except, unlike Blacks, White males are a massive majority class in economic and political affairs. But the same degeneration will happen.

            Can’t wait for the overwhelming “White rapper’s” dominating the air waves, coming out and preaching about how they beat their bitches.

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            Last Easter it was a beautiful day. The only drawback was all the damn church bells. They actually are quite pleasing and are synchronized so they are slightly offset and each can be heard clearly. While out walking at Union Point Park later the park was jammed with people promenading. Particularily the black families with the young ones in tow were dressed to the nines. Nice white dresses the patent leather shoes…It was just like the 50’s. Everybody was happy and very social. The vast majority of New Bern is just that. Very socialable regardless of race creed or social standing.

  2. gmanfortruth says:

    There is a family current living in New York City government (aka taxpayer-funded) housing that has an annual income above the low-income threshold of $67,000. So how much over the limit are they? $10,000? $20,000?

    Try $433,000! That’s right — the breadwinners in this household pull down nearly half a millions dollars a year. But the housing authority refuses to kick them out.

    The family is being permitted to stay because, according to a recent Office of Public and Indian Housing report, the New York City Housing Authority concluded that other low-income residents will see the family’s success as a form of motivation to achieve greater things.

    http://libertyunyielding.com/2015/08/18/these-families-live-in-public-housing-though-youd-never-guess-it-from-their-income/

    • What does happen G is that rent is adjusted based on income. They are paying a market rent and in effect are no longer subsidized.

      This was a major issue back when I worked for the city. It has always been the policy, nothing new there. In most cases, people move on their own but the theory in NY is if you want to stay and are otherwise still eligible (no crimes) your rent is adjusted. It does create stability. There have been non-public housing developments done in NY under federal programs that were 100% welfare, they never lasted very long. I could tell you stories!

      For whatever it is worth, NYC is the only city with Public Housing where all projects built, going back to the 1930’s are still up and running. None have been vacated, none dynamited, none demolished. That is what is referred to as planning.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I understand, but aren’t their some low income families who could use the apartment for whats its intent is, to help the poor? Seems those who can afford to move should do so and let those In need get some benefits. There may be some liberal hypocrisy going on here as well, if you get my meaning.

        • The Newark, Chicago, St. Louis projects WERE exclusively for the poor. They are no longer standing.

          This was an issue in the private sector too when I first started my career. The city, because of the homeless crisis of the ’70’s (what ever changes?) paid a fairly substantial bonus to landlords to house the homeless. The city also subsidized the rent. Some owners went crazy for it and loaded down the buildings. The buildings got completely out of control in no time flat. Entire neighborhoods were decimated that way.

          There are exceptions, working poor, elderly or handicapped poor but straight welfare, no daddy poor, are trouble.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        The city here is actually going to tear down and relocate the government subsidized housing complex. The Feds and State years ago in their wisdom located this cancerous sore right next to the restored Colonial Governors Palace and historic area. It abuts the parking area. Needless to say the tourists especially the elderly are reluctant to park or walk unaccompanied either from or back to their vehicles. So armed security is provided. This area is just like a minature Williamsburg. So the last city administration took on the project to relocate it to a more suitable area. They won and the vitriol that was heaped was astounding….RACISTS….must be because they’re taking away the easy income. In reality the assults are extremely rare but the atmosphere created was very detracting. 20 years ago when the project was 1st built the story was very different. After dark in this area was a NO ENTRY ZONE. Now anybody that ventures into the city area at any time is safe regardless of race. There are just to many military types from the Marine bases and a huge number of the residents are retired or former military and can take care of themselves. The police are extremely professional and are almost all ex-military. And regardless of being on duty or off…are always armed…visibly….it keeps the peace

  3. Gman,
    Not necessarily to bring forward a past discussion, but this is no different then the battle of women’s rights.

    A claim of “wage gap”, yet none exists when the matter is actually studied. The wage gap, where it does exist, exists because women make different choices then men, not men FORCING lower wages on women.

    And worse, in the under-30 crowd, women get paid 1.1 x more then men.
    They are twice as likely to find a job.
    60% of university and college graduates are women
    They graduate with higher marks.

    Where is the wage gap? Indeed, its the other way around.

    But dare present facts, even to the women on SUFA, they go blitz and hairy brain. It is a matter that they do not want the facts to get in the way of their ideology.

    This always ends badly for these people, blacks or women. Their short-term victories are vanquished in the long term, like Germany WW2.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I agree on the wage gap issue, it has been debunked. Although the Left nor the Feminazi’s will admit such. I have read numerous studies that state such. I also believe that those cities/States that raise the minimum wage to a “living wage” (what ever the hell that actually is), will pay a dear price for such economic ignorance. They, those who espouse this nonsense (mostly the Left Wing loons) will just learn the hard way.

      Like in Seattle wanting to tax guns and ammo, thinking they will make all kinds of new revenue. The gun stores will just move out of city limits and take what taxes they were getting with them. So the idiots in the city government will not get what they thought they would get in taxes, but will actually get less then they were getting. Nothing that Democrats do that equal stupid x10 surprises me, they can’t think past their noses.

      • Having seen this very effect in another country as well, it is a mindset.

        These “progressive” believe that their victims ‘will take it’ and are immobile, legless, and can’t think for themselves. They just can’t believe people will uproot themselves to avoid such deprivations, because they wouldn’t do it themselves, though for a reason since most of the progressive deprivations exclude themselves. They think “well, if I ran business (but I don’t, never have, never will) I would just raise my prices”.

        So they are SHOCKED, truly SHOCKED when what they design goes haywire.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          And despite being shocked, they will repeat the same mistakes somewhere else, thinking it will work on the other side of town. The idiocy is mind numbing, yet they still think their agenda will work.

          • It’s hard to call it idiocy. If your brain has been turned into this particular mindset, how could they possibly think differently? They will see the effects elsewhere, and dismiss it under a self-created rational that “well, they didn’t do it right” and this time we will. They will fluff the edges and paint it with a different color. They simply cannot conceive of what they are manifesting, no more then you and I can conceive of rocks fornicating to make new rocks.

            It’s almost like “it’s not their fault they believe this shit”.
            The problem is, the people who vote these people in simply don’t care. They have bought into the “money for nothing” theory of economics.

      • The argument about wage gap is economic in discovery.

        If employers actually had this huge, massive, worker pool that was underpaid, yet did the “same work” as their overpaid male counterparts, these employers would higher this underpaid class in huge volumes. Think of the extra profit! If women were actually paid 17% less then men, that accounts for 17% time the entire wage cost (which is the highest cost of employers) back into profits! Huge!

        Yet, they don’t.

        So the leftists and the general population of women believe these employers en mass would rather have FORGO MASSIVE PROFITS then hire a woman….. the very same employers who argue over a penny in costs on other inputs into their business to eek out a fraction of a percent more profit for their business.

        The disconnect of thinking is incredible.

        • Add to this, ( and the reason we dropped 90 % of our employees )….the younger class is coming to work “expecting” things. They expect wages commensurate with what THEY think they are worth…they are expecting health care, they are expecting holidays and vacations…they expect profit sharing and retirement. When the expectations do not pan out the way THEY think it should, then the employer is a bad person. Let’s boycott them and ruin them becuase they are not giving us what we think we should have. Incentive programs are skoffed at because it promotes individualism. (Everyone must have a trophy, dont ya know )….

          So, it is much easier to have contract employees…it is cheaper. It then becomes a matter of negotiations and actually empowers the individual and gives them a sense of pride in negotiating their own contract. If the negotiations do not go well, simply walk down the street to someone else. But to walk into a place of business with a chip on your shoulder and expectations in your mind with the attitude that you are owed a job at a certain pay…If an employer is going to be successful, they are going to have to hire what makes them successful….

          Now, you have all these “gimme” generations that want minimum wages raised…demands for health care…demands of COLA increases…demand this..demand that…..so what does the employer do?…..he automates. It is amazing how quick the demand for minimum wage down here disappeared when a McDonald’s franchise owner of four stores…….automated.
          There is a Walmart that is experimenting with robotics in their stock rooms, eliminating cashiers and going with self checkouts being camera monitored…It is a Walmart Super Store and it has, so far, eliminated 32 percent of its hourly workers…..and now the Walmart workers are pissed because they are on the outside.

          The Lowes Home Improvement Stores are now going robotics in their stocking areas…the products go from truck to store room sheff with no human hands touching it. Completely automated.

          Now, what happens?……..where are the expectations now? With our corporate taxes being the highest in the world…….why is everyone not understanding why employers are going off shore? Employers are in business to make a profit…not to be nice. THis progressive movement is not working in Europe….why do they think it will work here…..

          Anyway….we are a product of our own making.

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            I loved working under contract. Even the military service was contractual. In those companies and even when in the service I felt more free that at any time than when I was a direct employee of a corporation.

            • Yeah, consulting is the present and the future, both for employers and individuals. I’ve worked for over 1,000+ different companies, and hence, fired 999+ times, but with great references! 🙂

              As Dale says, the freedom is huge. Without all the burden of reporting and paper work for the company, they are happier too. The individual actually makes more in real income (though, has to pay everything else himself, health care, benefits, retirement… etc.but now on his own terms, not dictated by policy of other people).

              I will submit that the future is companies like Amazon, who actually has less then 100 people as employees, but thousands of consultants, or oil companies that have a huge consultant to employee ratio….

              I would suggest that anyone with kids who want to start a business organize the business around consultants instead of employees, and those that don’t want to start a business get themselves organized to be consultants.

    • Well said and noted!

      You might also consider that the bulk of the “wage gap” average related to leaving jobs to have a family for a number of years is not publicly mentioned. Another piece of ‘disinformation’ . Most women I know, who did leave and then came back have never hollered about salaries. Funny, in Civil Service, many folks receive longevity increases. A woman teacher who left for ten years to raise two or three kids would have lost “steps” not to mention pension credit for the leave without pay. Don’t see the teachers unions screaming about it do you? I suspect that to do so would start an inter mural war within the union between people who did take unpaid leave and those who didn’t.

  4. Brought this forward, good question from VH.

    V.H. says:
    August 19, 2015 at 12:43 am

    This seems to be a hot topic right now-birthright citizenship-it all seems to center around the 14 amendment (it always seems to be centered around the 14 amendment lately) and the word jurisdiction-but what I want to know is when did birthright citizenship come into being-was it always attached to the 14th amendment.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/422714/not-hard-read-14th-amendment-not-requiring-birthright-citizenship-and-nothing-odd
    Reply

    Stephen K. Trynosky says:
    August 19, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    Interesting article in the NY Daily News,

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/erika-lee-immigration-history-lesson-donald-trump-article-1.2329495

    Couple of problems with it. The author does not distinguish (I believe deliberately) between being the child of legal vs. illegal immigrants. There is no question that Wong Kim Ark’s parents had legally immigrated. That was then, this is now, times have indeed changed. There were no handouts, no “safety net” back then. You made it or you didn’t.

    Unfortunately the 14th Amendment seems poorly written and open to a lot of mischief. There is no question that it was intended only to cover freed slaves and thwart attempts to prevent them from exercising their rights as citizens.

    Back in the dark ages, when they actually taught history (even in law schools!) people would argue that you not only have to look at the words but the intent. This could be determined by arguments before the court, the court opinion on related cases and the opposition not to mention public debate in the State legislatures. Alas! (old word) not done anymore.

    Had read somewhere, not too long ago, that the purpose of the 14th was basically to bury, lock, stock and barrel the “Dred Scott Decision” for once and all.
    Reply

    • gmanfortruth says:

      A small reminder to those who think voting works….IT DON’T…if it did, then this subject would have been somewhat solved, as in NOT FUNDED.

      Back to the subject of immigration. I’m not against immigration at all. They come, learn our language, get a job and pay the government their booty like the rest of us. No welfare, no freebies. Assimilate and welcome to the US. Try and turn the US into Dearbornistan, as is being done, then maybe it’s time for them to go back where they came from. In short, leave your BS where you came from and accept our BS from now on LMAO 🙂

      Now for the big question. What should happen to the 30 million or so illegal’s? I suggest we apply “circumstances” and do right by people.

      • Simple solution, too simple, maybe the Donald should explain it.

        Criminals go home
        Junkies go home
        No sanctuary cities
        No benefits until you come out of the shadows

        DRAMATIC PAUSE!

        and…..

        No citizenship ever! Legal resident status only.

  5. gmanfortruth says:

    A quick update on broken foot. After many phone calls, I’m still waiting for an appointment to see a specialist at the Pittsburgh VA. I called Monday morning. If one is not available within 30 days, I might get to see a local. Lets hope for a local.

  6. gmanfortruth says:
    • gmanfortruth says:

      Holly O’Donnell, a former Blood and Tissue Procurement Technician for StemExpress, describes how a supervisor demonstrated to her that a recently “aborted” fetus was actually still alive:

      “And she just taps the heart, and it starts beating. And I’m sitting here and I’m looking at this fetus, and its heart is beating, and I don’t know what to think.”

      In multiple incidents throughout the video, doctors and Planned Parenthood officials are captured on tape admitting that babies outside the womb still have beating hearts after the “abortion” procedure.

      Dr. Ben Van Handel, Executive Director of Novogenix Laboratories, LLC, said, “There are times when after the procedure is done that the heart actually is still beating.” Novogenix Laboratories has worked with Planned Parenthood to harvest human organs for years.

      Perrin Larton, Procurement Manager of Advanced Bioscience Resources, Inc., is also quoted on the video describing abortions where, “the fetus was already in the vaginal canal whenever we put her in the stirrups, it just fell out.”

      Gary, as a recent Media Research Center report has told us, the network news has spent only 0.008% of their time discussing the Planned Parenthood stories. The media are censoring this story because they do not want you to hear about it.

  7. Just A Citizen says:

    V.H.

    I saw the tape of the Clinton vs. Black Lives Matter meeting last night.

    It causes me terrible PAIN deep down to say this. I thought she handled them pretty well. Trying to explain that POTUS has no ability to change hearts but can only deal with “systems” and “institutions” etc, etc. Not the best but pretty good.

    Now I have to go wash my hands and gargle.

    • Ha ha ha, everyone is ready to analyze her remarks and highlight those short responses but seriously how about we analyze Black lives matters remarks -starting with, and I still want to know-what does this mean:

      “If you don’t tell black people what we need to do, then we won’t tell you all what we need to do,” Jones said.”

      • gmanfortruth says:

        , then we won’t tell you all what we need to do,” Jones said.”

        This is a veiled threat of violence against police and white people. That’s what he wanted to hear. He didn’t, because his root statement of an epidemic of white violence against black people is false. How can one give an answer to a problem that doesn’t exist?

        Hillary is a joke. Nothing will change until the TRUTH is told, over and often. Politicians will not tell the truth, so the next step is predictable.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        V.H.

        I think he was trying to say “DON’T TELL US WHAT TO DO”. That is the form of white violence he was referring to. So Don’t tell us, we will tell you.

        I think Hillary understood what he meant because that is when she starts looking flabbergasted.

        • Okay-so what does “don’t tell us what to do” mean when one is discussing how the police should function? I’ve read that they, meaning the Black Lives Matter group, simply want the police to go away and let them police themselves. And the second part I’m with G-that was a threat-it wasn’t we will tell you-it was we will tell you what we” need to do”. So just how is one to respond to this type of remark. I mean we aren’t gonna let the black community just become a separate Country within the Country- a law unto themselves.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Give them what they want (which they are already doing). Pull the cops out, tell them to deal with their own issues. Set up a border around an area and let them test what they want. Put cameras everywhere and put it on TV live, 24/7. The experiment will be over within a month. It will never be asked for again.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            V.H.

            It was my impression that the comment was in response to her suggesting a “better approach”, as in how they should act, not the substance of their demands.

            I only saw it once and could be wrong but that was the impression I had.

            Look, the guy was an idiot and many of those representing this supposed movement also appear to be idiots. So I do not think you do anything relative to this groups demands.

            If it were you or I we would have clearly stated that “We want you to tell us how you are going to stop the police brutality against us XYZ people”. “We would like some specifics as to how you plan to address this issue.”

            What we can do, and what our govt should do, is work with States and Local Police to review training and duty assignments to see IF there is a real problem and develop solutions to those where they exist.

            I am sure that in some communities the police are pulling over black people without due cause, at a higher rate than they pull over white people without real cause. I expect the perception, and “legend”, of this practice is blown up beyond reality much of the time. But it does happen.

            This was why I made the comment about the person criticizing Rubio for recognizing that there is some truth behind the Black communities complaints. POTUS can provide some leadership on this issue but that does not mean sicking the DOJ on every State and local police dept.

            The SOLUTION is the same as it always has been. The LOCAL Police work with the LOCAL community to identify and solve problems that impede law enforcement. And a community which does not trust the police is certainly an impediment to law enforcement.

            The other thing our Govt representatives need to do is call Bull Dookey on the false accusations and stop pandering to liars and militant activists. If there is no basis for their screaming then ridicule them for the ASTROTURF they really are.

            Look at WHO is now participating with this group to make their numbers look so huge. Watch and see WHO is helping them disrupt speeches and meetings in order to BULLY their way into the debate. Which they are succeeding with, by the way. Somebody has to show some leadership and DISMISS this particular group as being representative of anyone or anything but their own RACIST AGENDA.

            Mrs. Clinton also had and still has a chance to remind the “black lives matter” crowd that the reason her husband supported the harsher sentencing was largely due to request of the Black Community. Let us not forget what was happening with crime rates in the USA when Clinton came along and had to show that Dems could be tough on crime. Until then the Dems had a lousy reputation and were consistently losing national elections due to this issue.

            Mr. Obama has helped create this atmosphere. You are starting to see why. Think how hard it will be for anyone other than the next Obama, Valerie please stand up, to deal with the dissidents. Because he allowed the RACIST part to take hold it will be almost impossible for any WHITE politician to do anything that will appease these people. Especially now that they have linked up with the young self hating white people who attend our universities and “occupy” the nearest park at the drop of a hat.

            An aside: If WE THE PEOPLE want to legalize POT then when we do every single person in prison for possession and/or sale of that particular drug should be PARDONED. Their record expunged and their full rights of citizenship restored.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              I agree….not that I do any “illegal” substances, If a State passes laws that legalize the use of any drug, then all convicted people who had been sent to prison for the USE of said drug should be pardoned and their records totally expunged. When I went to school at CSU at Ft Collins CO. the penalty for smoking grass was 20 years in prison. Christ almighty killing somebody after drinking to much Coors got a lesser penalty, assuming your bladder didn’t burst before. It wasn’t known for being called piss beer for nothing. “hemp” used to grow all over the place, seeing that it was used to make rope and burlap. When an area was discovered the DEA, or like federal organization, would pile it all up and burn it…makes sense. The billowing clouds of smoke were like a forest fire and would empty the campus and much of the town. Not only were the towns people standing around getting high . but the DEA, police and firefighters…then they’d turn right around and raid a dorm and prosecute in full accordance to the law.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                CU in Boulder did not get it’s name “Crystal City” for no reason. The chemistry students claim to fame far and wide was for producing LSD and every other lab created pharmecutical known at the time.

    • Don’t forget to Lysol the TV…

  8. gmanfortruth says:

    The argument that an illegal alien can step into the United States, claim legal and political jurisdiction, and confer citizenship to their child is insane. People claiming to be Constitutional experts saying that the 14th Amendment allows birthright citizenship are dead wrong. The 14th Amendment didn’t even give citizenship to Native Americans, why would it give citizenship to illegal aliens? The Constitution is on our side in a second way: Article 1 Section 8, which grants plenary power to Congress to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. We’re tired of being told someone can come into our country illegally, claim citizenship, and we’re told there’s nothing we can do about it. We have policies that promote illegal aliens and illegal alien children more than the American citizen and American child – we’re committing national suicide.
    http://conservativebyte.com/2015/08/mark-levin-congress-can-end-birthright-citizenship-without-amending-the-constitution/#

  9. gmanfortruth says:

    Thousands of clients using the affair-oriented Ashley Madison website listed email addresses registered to the White House, top federal agencies and military branches, a data dump by hackers revealed.

    The detailed data, released Tuesday, will likely put Washington, D.C., on edge. The nation’s capital reportedly has the highest rate of membership for the site of any city.

    Indeed, more than 15,000 of the email addresses used to register accounts were hosted on government and military servers.

    Buried in the list are emails that could be tied to multiple administration agencies, including the State Department and Department of Homeland Security, as well as several tied to both the House and Senate.

    For a month, hackers using the name “Impact Team” have been holding hostage the dating profiles of those who registered on the site. The group threatened to publicly out the potential adulterers if the site’s owner, Avid Life Media, didn’t take down Ashley Madison, which uses the tagline, “Life is short. Have an affair.”

    Security researchers said on Wednesday that they believe the data released following the hack at Ashley Madison is authentic.

    • So, who actually gives a rats patootie about Ashley MAdison….I dont….none of my business.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I treasure the days when we had 30 miniutes of local news and the 30 minutes of national news. Maybe a few different newspapers at the corners. this 24 hour news cycle is insane. Who truly cares about about Ashley Madison or for that matter the Kardashians and Kaitlyn. That would have been in the toss away rag at the check out counter. But now it’s front page center daily in several evolving dramas. What was local concern stayed local. But to see some headline about a bus going off the road…OK but in fricken Uzbekistan….sometimes that old adedge of “Ignorance is bliss” can be so true.

      • Time to change your password, D13…. 😉 LOL!

  10. gmanfortruth says:
  11. gmanfortruth says:

    One of the things that also needs to be addressed is black culture, the violent side: http://freedomforce.com/5798/2-black-thugs-beat-76-year-old-woman-in-omaha-church/

    How to answer the culture, arm yourself and get good at self defense.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      gman

      I submit that this violence is not a manifestation of “Black Culture” as much as a culture of DESPAIR and HOPELESSNESS.

      Look around the world and see where the same “feelings” occur and how the same violence results.

      I am not judging the WHY of how this “culture” has come into being, only that it is wrong to declare it a “Black Cultural” issue. After all, those successful Black folks who are fully participating in society without violence are part of the “Black Culture” as well.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I could agree with your this premise, mostly, but not fully. I don’t not paint all black people with the same brush, mainly because I know many who are great people. But the DESPAIR and HOPELESSNESS idea fails when it comes to those who are quite well of financially, like Ray Rice for example. There are lots of black NFL players who cannot leave the violence of the hood….in the hood. But, far more do than don’t. So how do we use “peer pressure” to try and solve the problem? Start broadly and hope the one’s that are beyond the violence can police their own. Until their is a beginning, their will be no end. Any ideas from out your way?

  12. Dale A Albrecht says:

    We had a headline here that said…Clinton’s lawyer states the the server turned over to the FBI and Justice had been cleansed and empty. If that’s so the forensic computer specialist are doing their thing and recovering files supposedly erased. Where is the arrest warrant to Hillary for obstruction.

  13. Just A Citizen says:

    V.H.

    I think I forgot to answer your question about what I meant by “value judgment” vs. facts or reality in the “world goes to hell” thread.

    By value I was referring to your use of “good” or “right”. As in it doesn’t make it right/good/proper, etc, etc. These words describe a VALUE based on something. A moral standard or personal feeling. Such “values” can be individual in nature or common among a larger group. For the latter to occur, some kind of Socialization has to occur to have them accepted across a large population. Religion is one of several ways to cause this acceptance. Other Philosophical arguments is another. Dictates by the King is yet another.

    As opposed to the question of whether the world would devolve per BF’s scenario. That is an opinion/thesis/theory/ etc that is based on comparing facts and applying reasoned argument/thought, including some logic.

    Now reason can be used to identify good and bad or right vs. wrong but the various arguments were simply “declaring” the hypothetical future as “wrong” due to women becoming subservient or even brutally treated. To say that is “wrong” in a moral sense is applying OUR MODERN version of moral behavior. Thus a “value” call as opposed to a claim of fact that it would occur.

    My other point, made in other comments, was that the way to deal with BF’s prediction was to attack in via REASONED argument rather than making declarations of how that would violate our current values or simply that some found it “offensive”. Another value judgment, by the way.

  14. Just A Citizen says:

    Just in case ya’ll don’t feel dirty enough over our current political state.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harut-sassounian/turkeys-pays-former-cia-d_b_8002534.html

    And the morons keep carping about Citizens United.

  15. gmanfortruth says:
  16. gmanfortruth says:
  17. This I did not know-I remember when everyone was talking about Al Awlaki-and upset because he was an American-he wasn’t an American-he just happened to be here when he was born.

    FLASHBACK: Two Terrorists Were Beneficiaries Of Birthright Citizenship
    Photo of Blake Neff
    Blake Neff
    Reporter
    3:56 PM 08/19/2015

    Donald Trump’s daring proposal to end birthright citizenship in the United States, which has been echoed by several other Republican presidential candidates, is reigniting debate over whether giving citizenship to every person born in the U.S. without exception is a sound policy. While the debate currently is focused on illegal immigrants from Latin America and the “anchor babies” they have in the United States, there is another dimension to the issue worthy of note: Anti-American Islamic radicals who can possess American citizenship even if they were raised abroad by non-citizen parents.

    Current U.S. citizenship law is governed by the Fourteenth Amendment, which reads in part “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” Since the 1898 Supreme Court case U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, the conventional interpretation of that clause has been that anybody born in the U.S., save the children of foreign diplomats, is automatically a citizen, even if their parents are foreign citizens, in the country illegally, or even simply in the U.S. on vacation. This principle, called “birthright citizenship,” is the norm in North and South America but relatively uncommon elsewhere. For instance, not a single European country follows the American standard; some, such as Ireland and Malta, once had it and then repealed it.

    Notable beneficiaries of birthright citizenship include two American enemies: Anwar al-Awlaki and Yaser Hamdi. Both were American citizens by virtue of being born in the United States, even though they were born to non-citizens who at the time had not been granted permanent residence in the United States. Their are only anecdotal examples among millions of Americans who have benefited from birthright citizenship, but they do illustrate the potential national security hazards of freely awarding citizenship to anybody born in the U.S.

    Al-Awlaki was born in New Mexico in 1971, but neither of his parents were U.S. citizens or even permanent residents at the time. Both were Yemenis, and his father had a student visa to study at New Mexico State University. After al-Awlaki’s father finished his studies, the family returned to Yemen, where he lived for the next 11 years. (RELATED: Anwar Al-Awlaki And The Perils Of Birthright Citizenship)

    Al-Awlaki’s American citizenship gave him a host of benefits. Despite ties to radical Islam that were sufficient to raise eyebrows, he could still freely preach in the U.S. without any fear of deportation, even if he committed crimes like soliciting prostitutes. More directly, al-Awlaki’s citizen status greatly complicated the U.S.’s ability to take military action against him once he became a known al-Qaida operative, as his status raised legal questions about whether the U.S. could even attempt to kill him.

    Similarly, the notable case of Yaser Hamdi also hinged upon birthright citizenship. Hamdi was captured in Afghanistan in 2001, where he had trained at a Taliban-aligned camp for militants. Bush administration efforts to treat Hamdi as an enemy combatant were greatly hindered by the fact that Hamdi was, in fact, a U.S. citizen. His parents had been in Baton Rouge, Louisiana on temporary work visas in 1980 when Hamdi was born. Although his family soon returned to Saudi Arabia and Hamdi spent virtually his entire life there, he nonetheless possessed U.S. citizenship. Courts ruled that despite being captured on a battlefield in Afghanistan, Hamdi was entitled to the full due process rights of U.S. citizens.

    Eventually, the government released Hamdi without charge in a deal where he agreed to renounce his U.S. citizenship, return to Saudi Arabia, and not travel to certain foreign countries such as Israel and Pakistan.

    Hamdi’s case had a mundane end, but could easily have gone quite differently. Had Hamdi been recruited as a terrorist operative while in Afghanistan, the government would not have been able to keep him out of the U.S., even if it strongly suspected (but lacked ironclad proof) that he had associated with dangerous Islamic radicals. While potentially dangerous foreigners may be turned away from the U.S., citizens must either be charged with a crime or else allowed to travel freely.

    Al-Awlaki and Hamdi are only anecdotal examples, and the U.S. has seen ample cases of homegrown terrorists legally born and raised in the U.S. who still became Islamic extremists, from José Padilla to Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hassan. Nevertheless, the possibility of enabling foreign extremists may be worthy of consideration in the debate over U.S. citizenship policy.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/19/flashback-two-terrorists-were-beneficiaries-of-birthright-citizenship/

  18. Other part of Facts Ignored
    …when facts are given in terms that no one can imagine or deal with.

    I had a question today about the “billion upon billions of oil taken out of the ground, what replaces it?”

    Here’s my answer – hope it response informs you more then the mere answer to the question.
    …………

    Excellent question!

    First, the irony of big numbers and its effect on most people.

    Most people understand number innately in sizes like “1, 10, 100, 1,000 …” as it is in their overwhelming experience of their day to day lives.

    Very, very, very few deal in numbers like “million, billion, trillion”. So for the vast majority of people, they cannot conceive of “what a billion is”, where they have no trouble conceiving of what “a thousand is”.

    They look at their liter of milk, easy; but what about a billion liters of milk? Unimaginable. Falls out of their brain.

    But a little factoid.

    The Oil Depletion Analysis Centre (ODAC) in London provided a total figure of almost 1 trillion barrels of crude oil (944 billion barrels) since commercial drilling began.

    944,000,000,000 barrels
    x
    159 liters per barrel

    150,096,000,000,000 liters
    divided 1000 per cubic meter

    150,096,000 cubic meters

    1,000,000 cubic meters per cubic Km

    150 cubic km of oil by volume consumed by man since the dawn of time.

    Lake Athabasca (in Canada) = 204 cubic km.

    All the oil man has used, ever, wouldn’t even fill Lake Athabasca. This is ALL the oil from ALL the world that humans have used….. can’t even fill one (though moderately large) lake. Now think about how many lakes, oceans, seas, rivers of water. The amount of oil we’ve used is insignificant to the amount of water on the surface of the Earth. In reality, it isn’t that much oil.

    But hearing “billions and billions” without a frame of reference in one’s experience, the number gets bigger then our brains can hold, so we stagger in awe. But bring it down to “not even one moderately sized lake”, it isn’t that much.

    When the oil leaves, it is most usually filled by water. Considering the amount of water on Earth, it is essentially an immeasurable impact, as there is 1,386 million cubic kilometers of water on the surface…. missing 150 really doesn’t even a visible scratch.

    Imagine you are a hyper-rich person with $140 million in the bank, and someone on the street asks for $15 bucks….you ain’t going broke giving him your pocket change.

    • or,even better.
      You have a $1.4 million and someone asks for 15 cents…..

      You see, the closer the numbers are to your own personal reality, the more poignant the impact. People may see $15 as a lot of money, even if you have $140 million.

      But move it to $1.4 million, somewhat comprehensible, compared to 15c, vastly comprehensible, since people CAN imagine $1.4 million and do consider 15c as irrelevant, due to their own experience and understanding the relationship becomes much more clear, even though the ratios between all the numbers, big and small, is the same.

      • or $210,000 and 2c. or $105,000 and a penny…. the closer you are to their day to day experience, the more irrelevant the ratio.

        But go into the billion and billions, people have no experience, and the numbers are unimaginable, hence, they think it is all very, very huge, important, devastating, relevant, need to do something.

        This is a tactic of political persuasion.
        Now you know it.

        Use it in your favor when you need to persuade, and you now can dismiss it in when against you.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Cool information. I remember the old term, peak oil, by all the Greenie Weenies. I don’t think there is a such thing, as the earth will always produce it. Kind of like trees. Despite humans use of them, there are more now than ever. Nature is an amazing thing.

  19. gmanfortruth says:
  20. gmanfortruth says:

    A 9-year-old girl was shot dead as she did her homework in Ferguson on Tuesday night, but the same community that rioted in response to Michael Brown’s death was nowhere to be seen.

    The difference? Jamyla Bolden was killed in a drive-by shooting and not by a white police officer.

    “The father of Jamyla Bolden said the girl was in her bed doing homework inside a home in the 9200 block of Ellison when she was shot around 9:30 Tuesday night. Her mother was also shot in the leg,” reports KMOV 4.

    Pastor Willis Johnson commented on the tragedy by emphasizing that all lives matter.

    “There needs to be a reevaluation of human life: [whether] black, white, young, seasoned, whether in Ferguson, or areas considered affluent,” said Johnson. “This has to stop. This epidemic of lost life under false pretense and of no real significant reason has to change.”

    While scores of people in St. Louis rioted and burned cars and buildings last night in response to the death of a man who police say pointed a gun at them during the serving of a warrant, there has been zero interest from demonstrators in the circumstances that led to Bolden’s killing.

    Earlier this month, violent unrest flared in Ferguson on the anniversary of the death of Michael Brown, who was killed by Officer Darren Wilson after assaulting a store clerk, attempting to grab Wilson’s gun and charging at him.

    The Black Lives Matter movement will continue to have little legitimacy until it actually addresses the primary threat to black lives – violent black criminals.

    This hasn’t happened because BLM is a George Soros-funded astroturf outfit that is being used to generate nationwide racial division.

    Around 93% of blacks are killed by other blacks, despite the fact that they only make up 13% of the population.

    Jamyla Bolden’s tragic death again illustrates how black lives don’t matter if the killer is not a white police officer and the victim is not a gun-toting criminal.
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/9-year-old-girl-shot-dead-in-ferguson-no-riots-no-protests.html

  21. gmanfortruth says:
  22. Scott Adams the cartoonist who does “Dilbert” has an interesting take on Trump and Trump’s “way” on his blog. Take a looksee. Thanks to # 3 son.

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius

    • Just A Citizen says:

      SK

      Trump’s way is the same “way” as most public figures, especially the politicians. Well at least the very successful ones.

      Think back to Obama’s campaign. Think about how the lies still continue over and over and over.

      I do think Mr. Adams is giving Trump to much credit for thinking on his feet with respect to the Rosie story. The Rosie Odonell response was simply restating the truth and an “instinctive” defense. Because it had been so big at the time. He was simply reacting with the same “method” previously used in the original dust up.

      I do believe that the bragging and expansion of his “worth” is part of Trump’s psyche. This has been his style since long ago. It is the “snake oil” salesman I referred to some time back. His ability to get “investors” mostly depends on his “story” of how BIG he is, worth wise, and how BIG he is at getting GREAT things done. He often talks of his BRAND and the difference between his 4 to 6 million in asset value and the 10 million is his “NAME” which is his “BRAND”.

      For the record, I read “Art of the Deal” when it was first published. I was very disappointed. It contained little about the “Art” of deal making. It was instead a collection of a few of Trump’s deals with little detail on how he got things done. Mostly it was about how he beat up or tricked local Govt’s to get what he wanted.

  23. Just A Citizen says:

    When FACTS are ignored.

    WHAT facts? And WHO is ignoring them?

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/noaa-global-climate-analysis/index.html

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Too much negative talk about Hillary, so make some shit up and pass it along to redirect the people minds. Likely to work on the Left, not so much on the Right. Oddly, warmer ocean temps would have led to more hurricanes, which hasn’t happened. Higher temps would also have led to more severe weather and tornado’s, seems to be a low year for such things. We’ve remarkably FEW thunderstorms, just some heavy rains sans all the other stuff. NOAA is making stuff up again, LOL. What won’t they do to protect Queen Hitlarry?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        gman

        Actually, fewer hurricanes would reflect higher temperatures. Cyclonic activity strengthens when the temp. gradient is stronger. Hot surface and cool upper atmosphere.

        Same principle as for major thunderstorms. The Algorians had the relationship backwards because they wanted to use hurricanes as a “canary”. Because people and the media are stupid.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          I watch the weather in Western Africa for indication of what the Atlantic huricane season will be like. Years ago a NOAA analyst went against the conventional propaganda. He was fired. As it turns out he was correct in his outlook and his methods were solid and time proven from past cycles.

  24. Just A Citizen says:

    RIP my friends.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/3-firefighters-killed-after-hellstorm-overtook-vehicle/ar-BBlREFS?li=AA54ur&ocid=HPCDHP

    Now watch all the Global Warming connections and analogies and sophistry. They will not remember the engine crew that died in this same area only a few years ago due to the same erratic fire behavior and a massive failure to follow protocols. Fast moving and erratic fire is a high probability occurrence in areas where the valleys are narrow, the mountains steep and both are oriented WITH the prevailing winds.

    Do not get me wrong, climate as reflected by weather trends is a major factor. But there are other variables not being addressed. Such as the massive reduction of timber harvest thanks to the Greenies. These increases in fire severity were predicted by forest managers in the late 70’s and early 80’s. The Greenies, Algorians, and their minion judges dismissed the science as nothing but “justifying” the killing of forest habitat. As one friend of mine often says today, in turned out the Silviculturists were right and the environmentalists and wildlife biologists were wrong.

    Anyone remember my post about 1910?? Well Red Flag Warning has been issued for today through Friday evening. Hot, Dry and WINDS picking up to sustained 20 – 30 mph. We have air quality alerts here in N. Idaho, for several days.. Wait until these fires get to the eastern Washington plains which are covered with CURED harvested wheat fields.

    For the first time in memory, JET retardant planes are operating out of the CdA Airport. Along with these Canadian planes that scoop water from the lake while cruising on the surface.

    If not for the modern firefighting equipment and tech., we might already see the 1910 “Great Burn” exceeded. The big question for the remainder of the year is whether it will happen or if a break in weather will save the day. There have been years past where this did not stop until the SNOW came.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Tough times out your way for fires. The lengthy drought hasn’t helped. Up next, a possible El Nina, hello landslides and floods in California. That could mean a mild winter, temperature wise here, but with milder temps comes more snow. I would prefer the milder temps, personally, those sub zero temps of the past winter were brutal (not sure where NOAA is getting there temp readings, but I remember February being a record low month for many locations).

    • Luckily this year there have not been any fires near us on the western slope of the Sierra. They have had 3 big fires on the eastern slope of the coastal range though. Last year they burned 100,000 acres up the hill from us. They are only going to log 15%. Unfortunately even that small amount has the remaining saw mills clogged up. Between the enviros and CA’s anti-business attitude we have lost both of the mills in this county along with a lot of jobs. We either intelligently log the forests or watch them burn.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Like all the open area in Yellowstone between the log pole pines. Those are old “Natural” fire burn areas. If we as enlightened people have to exstinquish all forest fires like smoky the bear says…we then have to “intelligently” manage the forest and replace nature we’re then failing on both counts. Let nature take its course. But we build in flood zones….insurance will cover it…we build in fluctuating sand banks and hurricane zones…insurance will cover it….years ago PRE insurance in a risky zone common sense prevailed and simple disposable homes were built knowing full well every so many years it was either going up in smoke or floating down the river, or in the next county.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I’ve got photographs of fires in the santa monica mountains jumping across like a continual bridge over the NOW I-5 supulveda hwy with cars during rush hour going underneath, like a rainbow….we knew 50 years ago..you build in certain areas and poof every 7 years you will be gone.

        Like that dam in the middle of the San Fernado Valley. seen in movies. It appears to have no purpose but when you see water coming over the spillways and then knowing everything behind it in the valley is under water

        • They build I80 through the Great Swamp in N. NJ and then wondered why it flooded north of the highway.
          The old houses in Sacramento are built with 8″-10″ basements above grade. The new houses are built at grade level. This construction technique may get tested once again if we get a strong El Nina this winter.

  25. Just A Citizen says:

    You heard much of this here at SUFA, several years ago. Along with the idea that the “militancy” of the left stems from the ass whoopin McGovern got when they thought they had won over the American people.

    Notice the dissident voices in the Dem party today are whether Hillary is “PROGRESSIVE ENOUGH”. If Elizabeth Warren had entered the race she would be the Dem FAVORITE today.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/the_differences_between_democrats_and_socialists.html

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Now, if only the Republican leadership would at least pretend their not on the same team, it may keep things a little calmer 😀

  26. Just A Citizen says:
  27. gmanfortruth says:

    ANOTHER white Left Winger pretending to be black. http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/yep-shaun-king-definitely-white-says-family

    More evidence that today’s modern liberal’s are mentally ill.

  28. Jimmy Carter has cancer. Isn’t time for him to take his Obama pill and just fade away?

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Has anybody noticed since and including Carter that unlike most if not all ex-presidents. exlusively Democrat DO NOT fade away. Lets see Ford went golfing and let Carter do his thing without comment. Carter set up the next 38 years of international ME crap. Reagan health and age excluded him. Bush I went fishing and was glad he was out. Clinton can’t let go, partially because of the “deal with Hillary that she would be a new age women and let him be the “Silver Zipper” from Arkansas. BTW an Arkansas State police term used to descsribe his infidelity. Bush 2 Glad he’s out….Obama will either test the constitutions ambiguity of a 3rd term or do a Putin…. The dems can’t let it go but do everything in their power to undermine the successor…instead of saying “Bon Chance” I’m out of here

    • Just A Citizen says:

      TRay

      That was my first thought when I heard he was going to get radiation treatment, at age 90. I guess the “panel” doesn’t set the standard for EX Presidents.

  29. Just A Citizen says:
  30. Wow! Just WOW! Wonder how much it will cost to clean this mess up.

    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/08/20/la-black-ball-scheme-disaster-in-making-say-experts/

    • They need courses in radiation physics and thermodynamics as well as microbiology.

    • back in ’57 when the Russkies put Sputnik up. we LAUNCHED a new science curriculum nationwide to prevent that source of surprise from happening again. Another brilliant success I see. and as my Dad would have said, “That’s why we never bought a black car”.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Wasn’t the impact of that little shiny satelite that did nothng but beep amazing. I remember standing out behind the house in Woodstock watching it.

  31. Just A Citizen says:

    When REASON, RATIONAL thinking and LOGIC become your enemy then of course resort to sophistry laced with profanity.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the voice of the modern leftist, Sir KOS himself:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/21/1414091/-Only-assholes-question-the-identity-of-others?showAll=yes

    Buck and Mathius, I feel for you guys. We may disagree but it is sad to see how many of these wingnuts claim to be your side. Not on your side but to BE your side.

    • Must be really hard to be an idiot but then again, you only talk to other idiots so. Seems a short time ago, a young woman claimed blackness and had to leave her job when it was found out she was not. Where is his F—— defense of her?

  32. Wellllll…….color me surprised…….The delegates that are known so far….in Texas…..are for Trump…..not Cruz. Even the conservative Hispanic’s are Trump supporters….

    Who would have “THUNK” it?

    • There is a difference between Hispanics. Puerto Ricans are not Cubans who are not Dominicans or Mexicans.

      If you are a poor immigrant and bust your ass to make it here working outrageous hours for menial pay to get a leg up you are Goddamned not likely to want to hand the saw to the guy who wants to cut that leg off.

      Say, that wasn’t bad, maybe Trump should use it!

      • Disagree with you…..because there is a large population of LEGAL Hispanics in Texas…..they are against immigration as much as I am…..He has the endorsement of the top two Hispanic organizations in Texas.

        I am with Trump on this particular issue…..and yes, a wall can be built, yes, Mexico can pay for it, and yes, we can close the border completely….right now…in less than 60 minutes. The plan is already in place.

        I am against the wall because we do not need it IF we close the border. We can close the Texas border so tight, so fast, a Mexican flea cannot cross with out being stopped…….even in the large metropolitan areas.

        • No, I am ONLY talking about legal folks. That’s what I mean. They do it by the book as my Dominican friends do and then are constantly undercut by the illegals.

          Illegals depress wages and illegals go into “business” with no insurance. What legal immigrant could compete.

  33. gmanfortruth says:

    My medical update. 3 fractures of right heal that lead into the ankle joint, which explains the ankle pain somewhat. Wrapped up to relieve the inflammation, but surgery is unlikely. Should be fine by bow season! 🙂 Guess I’m getting sort of a vacation from any heavy work, which was mostly done anyway. Hate missing my walks though.

    • Let me know if you need surgery…..I do have a really sharp Marine K Bar…..

      • gmanfortruth says:

        No thanks. Would prefer no knives or needles. This foot has it’s fair share of scar tissue from past surgeries. I will say that once I finally got called for an appointment, I was in the next day. I saw the same surgeon from last surgery, a female, and she is great. Got the two things I wanted most, a scooter that I can rest knee on and get around much easier and some meds to ease the pain till the inflammation subsides. The injury itself, unless there is weight applied, doesn’t hurt at all, just the large amount of inflammation. Once that goes away, healing will be much more of a minor thing and mostly painless. 13th broken or fractured bone. Lots of practice 🙂

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Just make sure you put a safety flag on your foot extending past the scooter. Saw a guy at the store on one of those knee scooters. people were almost running into the foot. I joked to him about it and he thought for a second then said good idea…think I’ll put a rebel flag on it.

  34. Hmmmmmmm….seems as if I warned everybody to watch China closely…..Economic power is as destructive as a nuclear weapon….all this upheaval right now in the DOW….is all because China devalued its currency…..now, you see the impact of being in debt and how it affects real life.

    Debt is not our friend and it never has been…it will be real easy to stop China in its tracks….when China devalues…..make no interest payments. AND…have a net zero trade policy……no deficits. We can put our carrier groups in mothballs if we played hard ball with trade and those who devalue currency…..the next devaluation on the horizon…….Russia.

  35. gmanfortruth says:
    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      It is so sad to realize the ignorance that I’ve lived with for all these years.

  36. gmanfortruth says:

  37. Preview Quotes from Video of Planned Parenthood Baby Parts Partner StemExpress

    MEDIA ADVISORY

    Today, the TRO preventing the release of footage from an undercover business dinner meeting with the top leadership of StemExpress, Planned Parenthood’s recent partner for selling baby parts, was dissolved. The following are several significant quotes from the transcript of that conversation. The video, full conversation footage, and transcript will be published shortly:
    1) StemExpress CEO Cate Dyer admits that StemExpress gets intact fetuses from the abortion clinics they work with shipped to their laboratory. “Case” is the clinical term for an individual abortion (cross reference with Planned Parenthood Senior Director of Medical Services Dr. Deborah Nucatola’s discussion of “this case, that case” in lunch video), so an “intact case” means an “intact abortion.”:

    SE: Realistically, if we were to do an agreement with you, what do we think you could get?
    Buyer: Volume-wise?
    SE: On specifically liver tissue, because that’s such an area of demand for us.
    Buyer: So liver, and what about intact specimens, just—?
    SE: Oh, yeah, I mean if you had intact cases, which we’ve done a lot, we sometimes ship those back to our lab in its entirety.
    Buyer: Okay.
    SE: So that would also be great if you guys have those.
    Buyer: The entire case.
    SE: Yeah, yeah. Because it’s just, and the procurement for us, I mean it can go really sideways, depending on the facility, and then our samples are destroyed, and we’re like, “Really?” This was all so much work, and then just to have them be destroyed is awful. I mean we have researchers wait forever, and they want certain things, you know, perfectly done, so we started bringing them back even to manage it from a procurement expert standpoint.
    2) Cate Dyer says that some of the abortion clinics StemExpress works with have unsanitary conditions:

    SE: We’ll do testing on our side, so we’ll be able to see, you know. And sometimes we’ll find that it can be clinic-specific. I’ve seen really rampant, rampant problems with bacteria in certain clinics. [laughter] Some where you’re kind of in question of should they really, you know, [laughing]
    Buyer: Right.
    SE: I’ve seen staph come out of clinics.
    Buyer: Wow.
    SE: So, I mean, I’ve seen all sorts of things come out of clinics, so.
    3) Cate Dyer estimates StemExpress is working with nearly 100 abortion clinics nationwide, and still can’t get enough fetal liver:

    Buyer: What would make your lab happy? What would make your lab happy?
    SE: Another fifty livers a week.
    Buyer: Ok, so you can handle that?
    SE: Yea. Just so you guys know, on the collection side for us, we’re also- as you see Megan out there in the clinic, we’re working with almost triple digit number clinics. So, it’s a lot on volume a little more than what we do. It’s a lot. So, I don’t think you’ll hit a capacity with us anytime in the next ten years. I think you’ll feel solid with that standpoint. So, I think, with that you’ll feel like doing an agreement with us. It will be consistant growth and our growth has been consistent, and it’s going to continue to grow from that standpoint.

    4) Cate Dyer laughs and jokes about researchers being squeamish about receiving baby parts in the mail:

    SE: As you probably know, one of the issues with neural tissue, it’s so fragile. It’s insanely fragile. And I don’t even know—I was gonna say, I know we get requests for neural, it’s the hardest thing in the world to ship.
    Buyer: You do it as the whole calvarium.
    SE: Yeah, that’s the easiest way. And we’ve actually had good success with that.
    Buyer: Make sure the eyes are closed!
    SE: Yeah! [laughter] Tell the lab it’s coming!
    Buyer: Yeah.
    SE: They’ll open the box, go, ”Oh God!” [laughter] So yeah, so many of the academic labs cannot fly like that, they’re not capable.
    Buyer: Why is that? I don’t understand that.
    SE: It’s almost like they don’t want to know where it comes from. I can see that. Where they’re like, “We need limbs, but no hands and feet need to be attached.” And you’re like, ? Or they want long bones, and they want you to take it all off, like, make it so that we don’t know what it is.
    Buyer: Bone the chicken for me and then we’ll—
    SE: That’s it.
    Buyer: And then I’ll eat it, but.
    SE: But we know what it is. I mean, [laughter], but their lab.
    Buyer: But then it goes to that whole stigma.
    SE: Oh yeah. And their lab techs freak out, and have meltdowns, and so it’s just like, yeah. I think, quite frankly, that’s why a lot of researchers ultimately, some of them want to get into other things. They want to look at bone marrow, they want to look at adipose- sort of adult human, kind of adult based sampling. They want to avoid publishing a paper that says it was derived from fetal tissue.
    5) Cate Dyer says StemExpress has a good relationship with Planned Parenthood leadership:

    Buyer: Do you feel that support from Cecile [Richards] and from Deborah [Nucatola]?
    SE: Yea, oh yea. You know, everyone at PPFA. I just think that you’re in the cause or you’re not. If you’re not in the cause, they don’t need you around. They need champions and if you’re not a champion, then you should go. That’s just- I don’t know, the clinics are very guarded, as they should be. Who do they let in their house, they let champions in their house. Right? I think it’s that same concept and ABR has just never understood that.
    6) Cate Dyer believes the breakdown of how many independent vs. Planned Parenthood clinics that StemExpress is working with could be split about 50-50:

    Buyer: Are you seeing any trends between the independents versus Planned Parenthoods? Your breakdown right now, are things split pretty fifty-fifty?
    SE: I think it probably is. I don’t know- it is different. I don’t think that one has more pro’s or con’s than the other. I mean, Planned Parenthood has volume, because they are a volume institution.

    http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/2015/08/preview-quotes-from-video-of-planned-parenthood-baby-parts-partner-stemexpress/

    • I do not have a very long Facebook list but on it I have some left-wing friends, The efforts they go through to discount these videos is really Herculean. They are truly amazing. They will bend logic into pretzels to make it come out their way.

      I am the first to admit that I come to the table with a bias, it is a formulated opinion based on analysis and research. As my old man would say, you cannot really argue a point until you can also argue it from the other side. So I try to do that. Sometimes it leaves me in a quandary but at least, I come up with an honest, informed opinion.

      The folks on the other side, sheesh! They seem unwilling to communicate with anyone with a different opinion. Bernie Goldberg’s book, “Bias” had it right. They never step out of their hive. They only have one opinion because it is all they are willing to hear and they only associate with people who think the same way There are not even shades of opinion, lockstep, each and every one. In the last month, three people have “defriended” me.

      Being absolutely, totally honest, always been sure about abortion and the fact that it is pretty much murder. Years ago, my uncle raised the point about genetic disease. Not easy to dismiss his opinion since he had just lost, at twenty, his son, my cousin to Duschanes M.D. When Michael was born they knew his Mom was a carrier, she had lost two brothers, but there was no way of testing yet so they went ahead, had the baby and hoped for the best. Starting at seven or eight he gradually lost his ability to walk then, the long, slow descent over the next 12-13 years until he passed. His sister, still no genetic test available, decided no children, married a nice guy who then changed his mind wanted a child and got a divorce. So here, is one of those honest to God, rock and the hard place situations where even I could not honestly make the call. I’m 68 now and this one has surfaced and re-surfaced in my mind, without resolution for 40 plus years.

      • I’ve found that there are people that you simply cannot reach-they want abortion to be legal and no argument will ever convince them differently-but happily there are a lot of other people who can be reached by the truth.

        There are always going to be situations where one is going to question their stance. Our human ability to empathize makes it impossible not to.

        But then I ask myself-what is the difference between killing that child in the womb and killing him after he is born-in both situations you are talking about a living human being-is it okay in the womb because it’s just easier to kill when you don’t have to look the child in the face. The problems haven’t changed for the child or the parents. So why is it justified in one situation but not the other.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          they want abortion to be legal.

          Interesting question, but is abortion actually legal in all 50 states? I ask because I have never seen a LAW that states such, not that one may not exist.

          • The Constipation as interpreted by the United States Supreme Court has determined that abortion cannot be illegal under the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. Hence it is legal everywhere as is same sex marriage.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              I’m aware of that. But, where exactly does the Judicial Branch have the authority to MAKE laws? Also note, they provide OPINIONS on the decision, which is to decide if a law/laws are Constitutional. If law/laws are determined to be unconstitutional, then those laws go back to the appropriate legislatures to be made Constitutional.

              Hence, one of the biggest lies thrown down the throats of the people, that SCOTIUS decisions equate to law. They don’t and can’t. In addition, there is no authority written in the Constitution that provides the Judicial any authority to grant the people Rights. If you can find such wording, please share. Looking at a new article on this subject as I have some time due to being laid up a bit 🙂

              • When the Roman Senate named Caesar Emperor for goodies received and yet to come, they gave up their responsibility and the Republic at the same time. They then assassinated Caesar to resolve the problem they had created. Civil War ensued making the members of the Senate who were either part of the Assassination plot or supporters of the Republic and the institution itself even weaker. Augustus was proclaimed Emperor after the second Civil War between his supporters and Anthony’s.

                Now thanks to mostly the Republicans I think, starting in the era of Tom Delay, power and the ability to “reward” supporters (something they have learned from the democrats) power has completely shifted to the President and the Courts. I wonder if it can be called back?

                During the anchor baby debate the other night, it was reported repeatedly that the Constitution specifically states the Congress has the right to determine what constitutes citizenship. This puts the original document in direct conflict with the interpretation of the 14th Amendment. Should a friendly president and a friendly congress end “anchor baby citizenship” through legislation, the stage would be set for, I think, a Constitutional crisis of the first magnitude like none ever seen. The Court ruling an act of Congress unconstitutional when the Constitution specifically requires it would really be something.

                The fourteenth was a really stupid and poorly written amendment. There is no question if you actually read the damned thing that it specifically and categorically applies only to the results of the Civil War. The multiple provisions regarding the return of Citizenship, Sections 2, 3 and 4 specifically talk about the loss of citizenship and its rights to those in “rebellion”. You have to be a total idiot to believe that anything was aimed at legalizing “anchor babies”.

                http://www.14thamendment.us/amendment/14th_amendment.html

              • Note clause 4. I imagine those who don’t like it would say how could something this short and to the point count? I like the explanation in the piece about how congress got involved in bankruptcies after 2000 because of the short and to the point wording of part 2 of the same clause!

                President Trump, bludgeoning Congress from the bully pulpit could really pull off something here. I wonder if anybody has the cojones to ask Justice Roberts about it?

                http://www.shmoop.com/constitution/article-1-section-8.html

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                But the Constitution has to be a LIVING document. The problem is the politicians and the courts are unwilling to follow the process which is arguous but clearly shows the majority of the population is either for or against the ammendment. therein “interpretation” is the key based on modern views. But..most people would NOT have and still would not approve the RIGHTs bestowed on us by the ACA as an example. I believe the majority of the people would not see abortion as the same way the courts ruled. Neither on the abortion of immigration/citizenship issues.

                Has anybody noticed the use of “Democratic” party as opposed to the Democrat party as if the Republicans of any other party is NOT democratic.

              • A “living Constitution” is not a problem as long as human rights are immutable. Then it doesn’t matter what the Constitution says at all or how whatever rules it places upon itself are.

                But willy nilly crushing of human rights can never be protected by a Constitutions

              • gmanfortruth says:

                The 14th doesn’t give anchor babies automatic citizenship, no matter what Bill “pinhead” O’Reilly wants to tell Trump. Hey Bill, there’s a COMMA there, not a period! Anyway, the citizenship clause was for the newly freed slaves after the Civil War, nothing more and history shows that (straight from the authors writings). It’s not that hard to research it, unless your a Lefty who can’t handle the facts 🙂

                But I think the 14th, also used to allow abortion, is really just the anti-tenth Amendment clause, except never written or claimed as such. Notice it is the ONLY Amendment that clearly states Congress can pass laws to uphold it. Wonder why that was written into it?

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Has anybody noticed the use of “Democratic” party as opposed to the Democrat party as if the Republicans of any other party is NOT democratic

                Let them run with it, we’re not a Democracy anyway, great way to teach people a lesson.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                If we were a Democracy, there would not be gay marriage.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                My point exactly

              • Bubble, bubble boil and trouble…..

                http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/22/judge-orders-illegal-immigrant-families-quickly-re/

                Dale, this issue of Article one Section 8 is something the courts could theoretically self-destruct over. No wiggle room, none at all. Congress has the RIGHT to set naturalization policy. Now, had the framers of the 14th wanted to make it universal, part of the 14th would have specifically mentioned 1-8 and changed it! We all know that when they repealed prohibition, they repealed “part of the Constitution”. Had an opportunity to do it in 1868 and did not.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                I was sort of being facitious with the use of the term “living” constitution. There was always a framework to change and it usually was not just based on a whim. Lots of deliberation, usually….usually. The way the politicians and courts are abusing the constitution we might as well not have one. Their concept is the people be damned. Maybe we might just have that revolution that historians have said we never had….I hate the words that the court uses…”Interpret” the law. Interpret be damned..the law is the law period. Why can’t I interpret it. I’ve had just as much education as many of these jurists and a hell of a lot more real time experience than most academics….the truly sad thing is you try and discuss things with people and either you are de-friended or people shrug and say what can I do…nothing… so why bother.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          That is one reason why the abortion advocates hated the laws put in States that required a “ultra-sound” showing the lady it is just not a “thing” or a malignancy requiring removal.

  38. They shouldn’t be able to do this-I also think it would be a really bad decision for the party to make. But at the same time I don’t really want the government to control the parties either. .

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/23/media-report-rnc-threat-to-trump-make-pledge-or-be-banned-from-debate/

    • What a wonderful way to self-destruct!

      Who says you can’t win as a third party candidate? Been done before, right smack dab in front of me. The other two Rhino Republican Godell and Liberal Democrat Ottinger, basically, coming from the perceived same place, split the vote, almost down the middle and cancelled each other out.

      These bring back some fond memories……

  39. ” I think the idea of objectivity is separate from the idea of truthfulness or fairness – right? – because I think objectivity is often sort of characterized as not having a point of view. And I don’t think that’s necessarily truthful though, right? I mean, the idea that black journalists are bringing a different set of skepticisms, a different set of assumptions, a different set of experiences into the reporting of policing is an important part of the story of policing.”

    No, it’s not separate-Journalist are supposed to give the facts-all the facts and then the reader will decide the truth. If one wants to be an activist and write about his ideology-fine -write away-just don’t call yourself a journalist.

    I’ve read two articles this morning-this one- and the next one I’m going to post. They both seem to rely on claiming somehow simply because the ideas came from white people they are somehow wrong. Well all I can say is if these ideas solely came from white people-the idea’s of objectivity and liberty-then good for the white race-they should be commended for promoting these very good ideas.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2015/08/23/npr-assails-objectivity-dishonest-white-construct-while-black-lives

    • Just A Citizen says:

      “” I think the idea of objectivity is separate from the idea of truthfulness or fairness – right? – WRONG; because I think objectivity is often sort of characterized as not having a point of view. IT MIGHT BE BUT THAT IS WRONG; And I don’t think that’s necessarily truthful though, right? WRONG AGAIN.

      “Objectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject’s individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met and are “bias-free”; that is, existing without biases caused by, feelings, ideas, etc. of a sentient subject. A second, broader meaning of the term refers to the ability in any context to judge fairly, without bias or external influence; this second meaning of objectivity is sometimes used synonymously with neutrality.”

      So you see, one can certainly have biases AND be objective. The real test is the person’s ability to discard their bias or opinion when faced with TRUTH that is contradictory.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Furthermore, the author of this statement needs a lesson in logic. What he/she does is conclude that the very “idea” or concept of objectivity and that of truth are not related BECAUSE the meaning of objectivity is often misused.

        This is the trick: “I think objectivity is often sort of characterized as not having a point of view.” The author creates a false meaning based on “often sort of characterized as”. Note that this is then used to negate the actual meaning of the concept “objectivity” itself.

        This sort of thinking would eliminate most philosophical concepts as one would only have to state that the concept is not consistent with how “some view it”.

        For example, negative freedoms (traditional American freedom) does not exist because freedom is “often sort of characterized as” positive freedom (Democratic Party freedom).

  40. And to the guy who wrote this-your ignorance personally offends me.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/21/are-republicans-for-freedom-or-white-identity-politics/

    • Another back door attack. Sum it all up with, “If you disagree with me you are a secret anti-semetic, anti-black, anti-immigration white bigot populist”. Man, they just do not get it, not a bit.

      Can’t say my kids are any better on some of this stuff. Minds so warped by their education and the culture that the prevailing way seems to be the ONLY way. The “norm” seems to be to continue moving towards the will-o-wisp leftist nirvana . Create your own “facts” along the way

  41. Very proud of these 4 men. Makes me proud to be an American.

    Read another article that said the people who worked on the train-ran away to their compartments and locked the doors-leaving the passengers to fend for themselves.

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/22/heroic-airman-spencer-stone-pictured-leaving-hospital-in-france/

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Yes…congratulation on taking a stand. I’m sure most of the passengers stood around also with their fingers up the collective “ASSES” inspite of the risk to themselves. I’ve described the attempted assult and mugging in broad daylight in a train station in Amsterdam. This in front of a railroad emplyee, and at least several hundred commuters all in excess of 6 feet something. I protected myself and succeeded…no assistance or inquiry at all …only to be told by the Dutch I was lucky I didn’t hurt the “minority” disadvantaged mugger. I would have been arrested…….I’m waiting for the charges by the EU against the service men and others who did help in subduing the assailant/terrorist..

  42. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Any takers on a bet that Iran does in fact have nuclear devices. They are not stupid engineers, and with Russia, N. Korea’s and Pakistans help how could they NOT. After the National Security statement almost 10 years ago pretty much putting the threat on the back burner. But I believe the blinders are on because the EU and others want the business, much less if one follows the “official” outing by the US last year about Israel…if they have devices, why not Iran….precisely. Now use it and see what happens….Iran does not need now devices other than the potential to obtain one in the future and their objectives in The M/E for now and later Europe by default.

    • You just know that when the mushroom cloud finally appears, the “right thinking people” will all say, “Who me?”

      Sorta like the Jimmie Carter thing, now, he is a genius!

  43. gmanfortruth says:

    Lots of hoopla about the falling stock markets. What do Ya’ll think folks, is this the big one?

  44. Love this quote.

    Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

    Winston Churchill

  45. gmanfortruth says:
  46. gmanfortruth says:

    Well, the stock market burped and the world didn’t explode. As overvalued as I believe that it is, it needs a good case of the “craps” to finally get where it should be. The “financial instrument” bubble is bursting….maybe.

  47. gmanfortruth says:

    LMAO 🙂 After the economic issues of ’08 and the Left mantra of “it’s Bush’s fault”, it seems that karma is coming around 😀

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  50. gmanfortruth says:

    I think that a lot of the ridiculous traffic tickets and other nonsense should just be done away with. This might make a good discussion: http://www.krtv.com/story/29867904/ferguson-judge-withdraws-all-arrest-warrants-before-2015

    • gmanfortruth says:
      • gmanfortruth says:

        Some of the events depicted in this article are disturbing. Why do we allow this stuff to occur?

        • I’m thinking the article is a little behind the times. The examples given were several years old, well before Black Lives Matter. One thing BLM has done is made the cops back off. Why do we allow it to occur? Wouldn’t say we allow it. Usually when word of stuff like this happening leaks out, its thrown to the media or internet and there’s a public outcry, the cop usually pays the price or is cleared. Not sure what else you want done?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      An article on this subject last night explained how the cities in the St. Louis area started using misdemeanor violations as a revenue source because the citizens were NOT paying their taxes. So their elected officials found another way to raise revenue.

      On the broader topic, I have repeatedly explained that the heart of the issue is the Policy Makers, namely the elected officials who MAKE THE LAW. While there have been rogue LE agencies from time to time, they usually are just enforcing laws passed by “citizens” elected by other “citizens”.

      Now lets look at the Ferguson situation. A city dominated by Blacks yet run by Whites, duly elected to office by the voters of Ferguson. The Black community supposedly felt oppressed and harassed by these polices and thus the police. Yet they kept electing these people to office. Could it be that this represents the affect of Cynicism on the people? Convince them that nothing can change and they give up. Those who vote win and eventually the quitters get offended and revolt with violence.

      See now why I detest the cynicism spread by the Anarchist crowd? It eventually supports the desire for violence by that faction of the Anarchist tribe. I am not going to debate whether they are or are not true Anarchists. That is what THEY claim to be so that is what I will call them for now.

      Many people are cheering this judges move. WHO gave a judge the authority to vacate EVERY SINGLE warrant without hearing??? Looks like more LAWLESS behavior by a Wizard in Black Robes to me.

      YES, stupid laws lead to offensive law enforcement. And in my opinion Speeding is one of these stupid laws. Well the enforcement is stupid, namely speed traps. It is a deliberate action by LE that is designed to place them in a confrontational situation with a citizen for no reason other than raising funds, for the most part.

      If the goal is to prevent accidents, and not get ticket money, then just cruise around among the people. Guess what? They will usually obey the speed limit when they see police vehicles around. Meanwhile they might catch the truly bad drivers because they will cover more ground and be exposed to more people in the same time frame.

      Bottom line, WE THE PEOPLE once again are responsible for the Govt. we get. Sit on your butts complaining and nothing will change. Problems with Law Enforcement are far more related to BAD POLICIES and PROCEDURES than bad cops.

      Now lets address a related issue. That of having Federal authority over State and Local Law Enforcement, disguised as “Civil Rights” authority. Think about those corrupt local and State organizations that were busted up by the Feds. Why were they not stopped by the local or State Govt.?? So maybe there is in fact a place for Federal Authority over States when it comes to protecting our Rights! Or maybe we just go on suffering until those directly affected fix their own problems.

      The latter might mean we need to sit back and watch some places burn to the ground. But it would prevent us from sticking our noses in other people’s business.

      • JAC
        That is pretty disingenuous to claim “if they say they are, therefore they represent who they say they are” nonsense.

        So if someone says “Well, a mass murderer says he follows JAC’s Philosophy, therefore JAC Philosophy supports mass murder, and I will go with that” you’d argue nonsense.

        Yet, that is your argument for the anarchists.

        Geezus… how easy it is for even smart people to be stupid.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          BF

          Please read carefully. I recognized and acknowledged the difference in Anarchist philosophies. But that is how this violent faction is described and what you claim is not going to change that.

          Just as various immoral applications of capitalism is still Capitalism, yet we are able to distinguish between the moral and immoral.

          Oh, and you committed a major error in logic. You created a strawman of “philosophy” to refute the discussion of the NAME used by people.

          The militant violent Anarchist is still a murderer if he/she kills innocent people. They are still thieves and criminals if they destroy or take private property.

          And as I clearly stated, there is no need to address the nomenclature as it is irrelevant to the issue that certain groups of people who want violent revolution work to create this atmosphere of cynicism which in turn leads to the violence.

          So the question on the table is whether this cynical view of political participation, including voting, feeds into or effectively supports the agenda of these groups/people, who then use it to justify violence.

          • It matters not how the describe themselves at all, if the description contradicts the label.
            My point and position on your claim remains unmoved, and your position remains irrational.

            You are attributing an action of individuals to a label.
            This is the common issue with labels. Any label can be glued onto any thing and are essentially meaningless in argument, and only used to poison the well which is your fallacy.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              BF

              It is THEIR label for themselves, not mine. And labeling things is a very human characteristic.

              Yes it has risks but it is also useful to deal with categories instead of dealing with millions of iterations.

              You have a problem with the label, but that label has been used for at least two centuries. The variations of belief systems falling under the label have also existed for this time. So my position is not irrational as it comports with REALITY.

              Again, it really does not matter when it comes to the issue on the table. Use whatever label you like. The question remains the same.

              Wish I could follow this with you but I have to run. Headed to a Mariner’s game with my son tonight. We can pick this up when I return.

              Best regards.

              • Yes, and you accepted it, and used it to poison the well.

                It matters not how many times the well is poisoned over the years, it does not make the poisoning valid. The poisoning does have a purpose, misdirection and confusion, and you are promoting this confusion.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Yet they kept electing these people to office.

        This is a rather common thing when elections are controlled by ONE political party. Youngstown Ohio and other such cities are very similar in nature, the politicians suck, but there are rarely any alternatives that have a prayer to win an election. Get one who has a chance, then suddenly there is an investigation by the local Prosecutor over some alleged crime of one form or another. Once the election is past and the person under investigation loses the election, suddenly the investigation just goes away.

        This also fall in line with my feelings on elections as a whole. While it may seem easier to fix local politics, it isn’t always that way. The corruption isn’t just in DC or State capitals, but in every city as well. Power corrupts. When that power can be supported by a well funded large group of people, who will do whatever it takes (even that which is illegal, immoral and or unethical) to keep that power. The people, like those in Ferguson, are likely stuck in this political bubble with no way out, because it’s the politicians that make the laws, enforce the laws, and ensure their hold on that political power remains intact, to hell with the people.

        This can be seen in almost every high crime city in America where poor blacks make up a large number of the population. Some question why they keep voting Democrat (skin color don’t matter, that is an excuse by the Left). The answer isn’t hard to figure out when you have seen the corruption first hand, while growing up in a corrupt town that is a political stronghold of the Democrats. Non Democrats and outsiders have no chance. In some cases, I know of at least two, that have been set up, arrested and convicted on drug charges. Neither ever touched drugs or alcohol. These are just some examples of why people are fed up with voting and the illusion of choice. Just like in Ferguson, choice is but an illusion.

  51. gmanfortruth says:

    I remember all the Global warming fear mongering after Hurricane Katrina, 10 years ago. As with all the “Climate Change” BS, things just didn’t cooperate, yet the left keeps on trying to spread this nonsense. This adds to the argument against their enviro-cult: http://cowboybyte.com/40350/noaa-hurricane-drought-hits-record-118-months/

    • CA Dems are at it again. They want to increase renewables in the electric grid to 50% by 2030 and reduce gasoline and diesel usage by 50%. They will do it by reducing the number of older cars, requiring GPS metering in cars, increasing fuel taxes and probably by rationing. It has already past the Senate and is on to the House. Unfortunately, they have total control so the opposition has no hope of ending it.
      If this passes, my electric bills will double, my 45 year old classic car will become a trailer queen. The inmates are running the asylum.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Maybe it’s time for you to consider leaving Looney Land and coming East. We have sane people in Pa and could always make room for a few more. Stay away from Michigan though, not sure about them folks up there. 😀

  52. gmanfortruth says:
  53. Just A Citizen says:

    I am confused. I watched for several years while many claimed we were NOT AT WAR with certain Militant Islamic groups because they were NOT A STATE. We cannot wage WAR against small groups who have no “nation state” went the argument.

    Well then how can a group without a “nation state” commit a WAR crime?? Didn’t someone tell the international group that ISIS cannot wage WAR because they are not a state??

    “Islamic State’s demolition of an renowned ancient Roman temple in the Syrian city of Palmyra is a war crime that targeted an historic symbol of the country’s diversity, the U.N. cultural agency UNESCO said on Monday.”

    This is NOT a war crime but a simply misunderstanding that has led to vandalism by these “criminal” elements. A problem for Law Enforcement, the military and rules of war do not apply!!

    😉

  54. Just A Citizen says:

    Perhaps some in the world are starting to realize WHY a unified global response to problems like Syria is important.

    Another conundrum for the modern philosopher politicians. Keep out of others internal Civil Wars, or deal with the long term fallout of MASSIVE migration of people who do not share your culture or political viewpoints. Then explain to your citizens why their standard of living declines with the massive influx of labor and increased demands on the “safety nets”.

    Along these lines, does anyone else see the significance of having at least TEN million illegal aliens in this country who we supposedly cannot deport????

    Hint: How many people were initially claimed to be dying due to NO HEALTH CARE?? How many children were supposedly suffering due to NO HEALTH CARE??

  55. gmanfortruth says:

    A Liberal on the Kelly File early this morning about the death of a small girl in Ferguson. “We have to start by getting rid of the ILLEGAL guns”. He repeated this again. Do these idiots even think before they speak? If the guns are ILLEGAL, exactly what do they want to do? We all know the answer, which would just make MORE illegal guns. Idiocy, pure idiocy 🙄

  56. Buon Giorno, Amici! Hope all is well. So, where do all of you stand on The Donald? Inquiring minds want to know. I’m sure you know I’m a Bernie Sanders man … but what say you on the state of the fiascos of both parties? The DNC are making ca-ca in their collective pants over the idea of a democratic-socialist being their nominee (no more corporate coin if that happens) … likewise, the GOP is making ca-ca in their collective pants over the Trumpinator … so, where are yous on this stuff?

    • At this point, I’m just watching the show with a mixture of horror and glee. 🙂

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Hey Charlie,

      I’m still calling Bush v Clinton until Clinton either quits or is charged. If neither happens. She will play the underdog role and win the primary in a landslide. Bush is the establishment RNC guy, just like Romney was in 2012.

      As far as Sanders, he has already shown he has no backbone by cowing down to the BLM losers. He does have some support though, just not enough to win the big prize.

      • I’m not sure HC will make it through the email process … hopefully not, but Bernie won’t have a prayer, I agree, but that’s because the DNC won’t let him (if he won, they’d have to walk away from corporate coin and that’ll NEVER happen) … as for the GOP, probably Bush, I agree … but at this stage, I’m thinking this country is so F’d up (i.e., political dumb), I’m hoping it’ll be something devastating like Trump … nothing says oligarchy like a billionaire president …

        • gmanfortruth says:

          The MSM have been pushing Bush since last election. Every poll shown before Trump came up was showing Bush and Hiltlary. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the Feds come out and state Hitlary didn’t break any laws and the investigation is over. Trump is popular, like the Tea Party was for awhile, then the GOP ate them. I see the same thing happening to Trump. He’ll play for awhile, then when he loses a few primary’s, like Ron Paul last election cycle, he will fade away.

  57. gmanfortruth says:

    Racist gay black man kills white news crew. So when and where are the riots?

  58. gmanfortruth says:
  59. Hiya Charlie………Trump’s a billionaire….Obama’s are close……every president is rich….but what the hell…..I will bet you that Bernie Sanders has tens of millions he had pulled from the masses……

    Trump won’t make it……and neither will Bernie…..Clinton will get in with a hefty push….and Biden knows better…..

    It will be the vanguard…..

  60. Just A Citizen says:

    GMan

    Your always claiming that the elections are corrupt because THE PARTY or THE POWER preselects the candidates for you.

    Thought you might like some insight into how this happens but it is not necessarily what you think. In this case it is the media which is driving the bus. But the RNC is stupid enough to let the media dictate the terms.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/carly-fiorina-debate-second-tier-rnc-main-debate-cnn-121757.html

    • gmanfortruth says:

      First, if you think the media is running the show over the RNC, you are totally brainwashed (which we all know you are anyway 😀 ). If the RNC don’t like CNN’s rules, they can demand change or cancel the debate. Politico HUH? Getting weaker by the month with your links. Let me simply say that I’m sticking with my original GOP pick, which is Bush. This, I believe, has been set in stone since the last election in 2012. Carly, Trump and Carson never stood a chance, they aren’t establishment. Trump is fun, but may also be around to keep too many eyes on Clinton, who just may survive this email thing (which would not surprise me in the least). Until Clinton is either indicted or quits, she still takes the DNC nomination. BUSH V CLINTON 2016. Would you like to make a gentleman’s bet on this?

      p.s. You should know that I don’t care who actually wins the nominations, nothing will change in DC.

      p.s.s. The Seahawks will NOT be playing in the Super Bowl in February. (that’s actually a good bet, if you bet on things like this, cuz only 2 teams in the history of the NFL have ever been to 3 in a row, only 1 to 4 in a row) Care to guess which teams (without cheating 🙂 ?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        I am guessing Buffalo and Pittsburg.

        I stated some time ago that the Seahawks would probably not win the NFC West this year. And due to the strength of that conference they will not be the Wild Card either.

        The RNC cannot just change the rules on the media. That was explained in the article.

        You allude to some cabal that picks the winners and losers. Just WHO do you think this mystical group is, that is who are the members?

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Cool, and quite close 🙂 Buffalo made it 4 in a row, all losses. Miami made it 3 in a row, lost to Dallas in 71, won in 72 and 73. Pittsburgh mad it2 in a row, twice, never three. I do think Seattle will have a great season and make the playoffs. There is a lot of talent there, but just don’t see the mental aspect being there these days. The 70’s and 80’s were just different games compared to now. But, one never knows and maybe the Hawks can do it. But the odds are against them in many ways.

          The RNC cannot just change the rules on the media. That was explained in the article.

          Well, the source is subject to some scrutiny. Money talks, not some media outlet. If CNN wants the debate, they’ll do what they are told. The rules are not laws, which means are even more subject to change than Obamacare 🙂

          You allude to some cabal that picks the winners and losers. Just WHO do you think this mystical group is, that is who are the members?

          MONEY! Come ON MAN, are you that blind that you can’t see that money runs the show? That means the ultra wealthy and the biggest companies etc. Go back to ’08 for a few seconds and remember when Congress was told that if they don’t bailout the banks there would be Martial Law. Remember that? Remember the “Flash Crash” of 2010, on the same day the vote to audit the Federal Reserve bill was being voted on? The bill failed, despite it was expected to pass that day. HMMM, yep, big MONEY runs the government, not the idiots elected. They are but puppets to the money changers.

          That’s why Ron Paul was screwed last GOP primary, he wasn’t a player. Ross Perot? Threats to his family ended his run just before the election. Trump, as much as he is saying and doing what many like, just won’t last long. Carly is already dead in the election, she just don’t know it yet, same for Carson. Lots of time to go before the first primaries, at least there is some entertainment this go round, which helps with discussions here 🙂

          Hope your staying away from all the fires out your way, that’s not good stuff. Stay safe!

          • Just A Citizen says:

            G

            This is the problem with easy rhetoric. It sounds good because it is easy and plays to pre conceived ideas. But it never answers the question.

            Sure Money influences politics. But not a single corporate officer votes for the laws passed by Congress or signed by POTUS. You include a possible meltdown as some type of proof of corruption. Dismissing the reality of what a meltdown would look like. In that case the politicians acted out of fear, not of losing money but of losing their jobs forever.

            However, the question on the table is the issue of candidates being “handed” to us. You have yet to outline how it is that some “group” does this, let alone who this group supposedly is. Don’t forget, all these “money” guys don’t support the same people.

            The people who run the RNC are elected at the State level and are not depending upon corporate donations. So how do they FIX the primary selection, when they set the rules long before we or they know who will run.

  61. gmanfortruth says:

    But not a single corporate officer votes for the laws passed by Congress or signed by POTUS. You include a possible meltdown as some type of proof of corruption.

    JAC, ignoring a billion dollar lobbying industry in DC does not make it not there. What do you think they are spending a billion a year on, chocolates and a “Pretty Please” note?

    I’ll venture to guess that you didn’t hear trump explain how things work in DC? Coming from a billionaire who knows the system, he openly stated that the corruption is there and always has been. But don’t pay any attention to those who upset your view of the Feds, wouldn’t want to get yer blood pressure up or anything 🙂

  62. It appears that Texas has chosen, once again, to ignore the Federal Courts…..this came in the mail. ( I have to type it because I am not computer saavy to scan it and get it on here )..

    From the Secretary of State, Elections Division, Austin Texas

    Voter registration and Renewal:

    Qualifications: You must register in the county in which you reside. You must be a citizen of the United States. You must be 17 yers and 10 months old to register, and you must be 18 years of age by election day. You must not be finally convicted of a felony, or if you are a felon, you must have completed all of your punishment . including any term of incarceration , parole, supervision, period of probation, or you must have received a pardon. You must not have been determined by a final judgementof a court exercising probae jurisdiction to be totally mentally incapacitated or partially mentally incapacitated or partially mentally incapacitated without the right to vote.

    All voters who register to vote in Texas MUST provide a Texas Driver’s license that matches the voter registration or a personal identification number issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety. If you do not have such a nukber, you will provide the last four digits of your social security number. If you do not have a Social Security NUmber, you need to state that fact. In addition, you will need a picture ID that matches your Texas Driver’s License, The accepted forms of picture ID are United States Government Passport, Mlitary Identification, and State issued ID. When voting, your chosen form of acceptable picture ID must match the voter registration.

    ————————-

    The other interesting fact…..all voter registration forms are in English.

  63. Effective September 15, Texas will begin using armed drones for border patrol.

    ( Don’t know what they are armed with yet…trying to find that out )

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      N Dakota is starting to also use “armed” drones but with non lethal methods. These are not armed by my definition.

      • That is a looooong drive from NC……sorry we could not connect….wx keeping me grounded and tournament times did not allow for enough time to drive and return…..and, to make matters worse, I got slaughtered. My son, however, made the cut and finished in the top 20. That will get him invited back without quaifying for next year….me, however…..well…it was not pretty.

  64. armed drones…..200 rounds 7.62 mm..

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