What’s Next

SOTUAHope everyone is doing well this fine day.  The second week of the new year begins.  The first round of the NFL playoffs are behind us and winter has finally put enough snow down that the snow shovel gets to come out of semi-retirement.   I can’t remember a time when it took this long to not have enough snow to shovel.  Usually, that begins in October.   This week we all get to look forward to the State of the Union Address!  Everybody should be excited to know that the President, who isn’t exactly known for being truthful, is going to now stand before Congress and probably tell a few more whoppers.  The Democrats will fawn over his every word and the Republicans will pretend they really want to be there.

It’s been an exciting year so far.  Will the stock market rebound from it’s worse beginning ever?  I have read several articles that state that it is common for the first week of stock activity usually is a precursor for the rest of the year.  That wouldn’t be a shock, considering we have a huge excess of oil worldwide, the Baltic dry Index is seriously low and has been so for quite some time.  Many are STILL calling for a economic collapse.  I honestly have no idea what one of those would really look like, any ideas?

thOU2PO7QZI have to call out one of our own for making an excellent prediction some time ago, and was told it wouldn’t be a problem.  I believe it’s time to officially credit Anita for her foresight in seeing the ISIS threat for what it is becoming.  Terrorism is now something that we should take seriously.  With the ambush of a Philadelphia police officer by a convert to Islam, who admitted he did his vile act in the name of Allah, I can see this problem accelerating in the days, weeks and months to come.

What I still consider to be mind numbingly stupid, the Democrats are still harping about the need for more ineffective gun laws.  They are so disconnected from the people, that they can’t see that people are buying guns at the highest rate EVER!  It is also reported that many purchasers are new gun owners, who also are seeking some training.  In Pittsburgh recently,  long lines of people were reported….to get their conceal carry license application.  This is LIBERAL Pittsburgh that this is happening in.  This is a city with a long history of crime problems and violence, and NOW they are getting concerned for their safety.

th1328D8OOWhat does this really mean?  I don’t think it is in response to Obama’s Executive actions, or even because of crime.  It’s because the people are finally realizing that the government, at all levels, can’t protect them.  The police have, for lack of better terms, slowed down.  This isn’t just in big cities, it seems to be everywhere.  Even here in rural Pennsylvania, it was recently reported that revenue from fines and tickets were way down last year, a direct result of police who have become nervous.  I can’t say that I blame them, the Democrats have tossed them under the bus and enjoy driving back and forth over them every chance they get.

How about the Hillary Clinton email disaster that is still in the news?  What will come of this if the FBI recommends that charges be filed?  I think that we may see one of those rare political moments that will be remembered for entire lifetimes, much like Nixon and Watergate in the 70’s.  How this subject pans out is going to shape this country for decades to come.  Will the Obama administration take the FBI advice to charge (if they indeed do)?  Will the administration choose not to charge Clinton if recommended to do so?  Will the credibility of the entire Federal government be questioned if no charges are filed (HELL YES).th6ICPDL8A

With all of that said, let’s chat!

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  1. gmanfortruth says:

    😎 The picture of the people in line above is the actual line in Pittsburgh. Each county Sheriff has their own ideas of operation, and understanding the process, seeing lines for CCL’s is very refreshing. The more good people that are walking around armed, the less likely bad people are going to succeed in their desire for destruction and death. There has been some changes in CCL reciprocity with Virginia, who rescinded reciprocity with some 25 States, while Ohio agreed to reciprocity with some 25 States. If you do plan to travel, make sure you know the laws if you plan on carrying.

    @JAC….I’ll try to be nicer 🙂

    @Anita……see above 🙂

    • Thank you. I knew you’d see it my way. It’s less about terrorism and more about jihad. They can jihad all they want, since Mathius seems to think that jihad is a peaceful struggle of the soul. But they cross a line when they stealth up on me with a hatchet. Someone needs to go over historical record and figure out how jihads in the past have been conquered. And now PlainlySpoken needs to show up and pat me on the back as well 🙂

  2. gmanfortruth says:

    Quote For The YEAR!

    It is easier to fool people than it is to convince people they have been fooled…..Mark Twain

  3. I understand Obama will make is SOU all about him and his sever years of accomplishments. Seven years of lies, division and tyranny.

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  6. gmanfortruth says:

    Planned Parenthood Backs Hillary Clinton in First-Ever Presidential Endorsement
    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/planned-parenthood-hillary-clinton-presidential-endorsement-154462/#MxleUXP8Wmtj1Z6i.99

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Interesting. PP may have just crossed a line that would threaten their not for profit status. I am sure they have their backside covered somehow, but the headline would indicate a violation of the federal tax laws.

      Will be even more interesting to see what is done about it.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Is PP non-profit? I would think they were a for profit business since they like to sell baby parts. Just curious, I really don’t pay much attention to them when it comes to tax status. But, if your right that may be interesting to see the reaction.

  7. gmanfortruth says:
  8. There were just 25 U.S. noncombatant fatalities from terrorism worldwide. (The US government definition of terrorism excludes attacks on U.S. military personnel).
    More American citizens died overseas from traffic accidents or intestinal illnesses than from terrorism.

    – You are 35,079 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

    – You are 33,842 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

    Around 35,000 Americans kill themselves each year. So you’re 2,059 times more likely to kill yourself than die at the hand of a terrorist.

    you are 271 times more likely to die from a workplace accident than terrorism.

    The National Safety Council reports that more than 6,000 Americans die a year from falls … most of them involve people falling off their roof or ladder trying to clean their gutters, put up Christmas lights and the like. That means that you’re 353 times more likely to fall to your death doing something idiotic than die in a terrorist attack…..

    Look, the meme about the threat of terrorist attacks is to make you scared and afraid to the point you will accept any imposition, restriction and reduction of your own freedom

    Don’t be stupid, Anita and Gman. Worry about REAL things not some bizarre empty risk about terrorists.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      About time you showed up.

      Now please tell us what you think a “proper” response would be to the threat of terrorists attacking us, a) Here and b) Abroad.

      • To mitigate (A), stop playing around in (B)

        • Yup!!

        • Just A Citizen says:

          BF

          That was a given. I am curious whether you believe other security efforts are valid. Such as airport screening. Is there a valid role for “gathering intelligence” on threats, etc, etc.

          I happen to not believe that all crazies will stop, even if we pulled completely out of the middle east and left Israel to its own devices. It certainly would greatly reduce the recruitment arguments but I just don’t think it would eliminate it.

          • Airport security is as stupid is, is stupid does. Wholly irrational and pointless other then security theatre for the mindless masses.

            Security is necessary, but what is “necessary” vs “what is being done” is about as far away from each other as one could make it.

            No one can stop a crazy man who is dedicated to cause harm. Impossible. But there are soooo few willing to be that crazy that in the vain attempt to prevent him, you destroy everything else. The best way is for the general public to be suitably armed, so instead of a few dozen unarmed slaughtered at will, the crazy most likely wouldn’t even get one before being brought down.

            There is a reason crazies target “gun free zones”.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              I don’t worry about terrorists, especially where I live. Plus I never leave the property without my sidearm. I’m more likely to run into a small group of black youths passing through and causing problems than Muslim’s, which don’t live around here. BUT, we are having attacks, so it’s a issue worthy of discussing.

              • “BUT, we are having attacks, so it’s a issue worthy of discussing.”
                Oh? Where?

              • Philly cop shot a few days ago. San Bernardino, muslim couple shot 14 before Christmas. I can go on. I know you’re going to list all the non muslim events, but you didn’t ask for those, and we’re not talking about those.

              • Please go on.
                The 14 had nothing to do with “terrorism” – it was merely a crazy who went “postal”.
                Pray tell, how do you believe you can stop that?

                People shoot at cops every day. Now, in your bizarre mind-fart, that is terrorism.

                But the facts undermine you, Anita.
                25 deaths linked to terrorism. That’s it.

                But that is enough for you to go flaky.

                Wonder how you will fair with the 40,000 deaths on highways; … go insane?

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Anita, you forgot the one in Texas where they were shot before getting in. Granted, we still have bigger issues with our own violent nuts, but these little Jihadi cowards are starting. My guess is they will hit “No Gun Zones” in the near future. One thing I think we can all agree on, they are mentally ill.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Oh, almost forgot. You all should see some of the videos floating around out there that simply destroy the official story, show crisis actors (one woman was at 5 events and interviewed each time, simply amazing that people can’t see this stuff). I would almost guess the Philly guy was an FBI patsy and they screwed up. Just saying, LOL 🙂

              • gmanfortruth says:

                I thought last years terrorist death toll in the US was only 15, who did I miss?

              • That is TWENTY FIVE (pretend that’s bold) enough for me to be concerned. Just as I’m concerned on a highway and just as concerned as I am (never) in a ghetto.

                Question: Does your mind link terrorism to jihad? Cause they sure link the two.

              • Concerned? Over merely 25?

                Then you should be just freaking insane about the number of Americans killed by lightening, which was 26.

                Where is your mouth proclaiming the government should do something about the massacres by lightening and making everyone where a lightening rod on their head???

                How about the number of people shot by cops, or falling off ladders or *gasp* car accidents! It must just drive you to blubbering about the 40,000 dying on highways!

                My god! How easily the mundane get bent over backwards on utterly irrelevant risks and are completely blind to real ones.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      BF, et al.

      Terrorist attacks in USA linked to “Islamic” revenge/jihad/terror. Those that popped into my mind. Not sure it is a complete list.

      93 World Trade Center bombing: 6 dead……….. >1000 injured
      Millennium Plot: LAX was the target. Foiled by LEO.
      Beltway snipers: 10 dead …………. 3 injured.
      9/11 Attacks, combined: 2996 dead ………… 6000 injured……….. 10 billion dollars damage.
      Times Square bomb ……….. Foiled by street vendors.
      Shoe Bomber: Foiled by bad fuse on American Airlines flight from Europe to Miami.
      Underwear Bomber: Foiled by bad planning and fuse on NW Airlines flight Europe to Detroit.
      Ft. Hood Shooting: 13 dead ………….. 30 injured.
      Boston Marathon Bomb: 3 dead ………….. 264 injured.
      San Bernadino shooting: 14 dead ……….. 22 injured.
      Boston Police attack: 1 LEO seriously wounded.
      Pam Geller art show attack: Two bad guys dead.

      Now even excluding 9/11, I count 42 dead and well over a thousand injured. Imagine the numbers if the other plots had been successful.

      Yes, compared to total deaths by all other causes the numbers are small, statistically. But terrorist attacks are NOT Lightning strikes or auto accidents or bear attacks. Each carries a risk and requires some action to reduce that risk. Because not taking action increases the risk.

      If you don’t believe me just walk through the back country in Glacier or Yellowstone with some dead fish hanging from your back pack. Or simply sleep in a tent with your bacon grease poured on the ground next to you.

      I find the entire argument that terrorism is not a concern because of statistics to be absolutely ridiculous. Now if you want to talk about REASONED and RATIONAL responses based on the actual risk factors, that is a discussion I would love to have.

      For example, air port screening is not a bad idea. But the way we conduct it is a bad idea. Noting that two bombs got on planes and numerous other attempts by LEO to breach security have worked.

      • So, how about go and combine the stats about falling ladders and lightening and bath tubs over the last 20 years too, and then come back to me to claim your terrorists scare-mongering is valid

        • Ladders and bathtubs don’t announce that they’re going to kill me before they kill me.

          • So now you are going wacky because some fool a few thousand miles away who DOES NOT EVEN KNOW YOU makes a broad claim, and you take it seriously.

            Oh boy.. How do you ever leave your house with all these terrible threats out there?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          BF

          There is not reason to compare them. People have devised measures to reduce the risk of death from each, separately. I do not ignore the Grizzly because there is less chance of him killing me than the guy driving towards me. I am concerned with both and I take precautions for both.

          I think using “scare mongering” is a bit over the top here. I am not claiming that we should be afraid. Only that a risk exists and action to reduce the risk is RATIONAL.

          • “There is not reason to compare them”.

            Yes there is.
            It is an evaluation of risk from what is REAL and what is IMPROBABLE.
            To waste time on improbable risk, or to elevate the improbable risk into an advanced category of existential risk is BIZARRE.

            People have done no such thing. Do not equate your intellect with the masses.
            The common folk HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO DO IN THE FACE OF A GRIZZLY, and for most people that is just fine since the likelihood the will face one is extremely low in their day to day undertakings.

            There is utterly no reason for you to be concerned about terrorists, no less you worry daily about being struck by lightening. You do not advocate any action on a day to day basis about lightening. Indeed, even in a lightening storm you IGNORE it.

            It is scaremongering to produce claims about terrorists and their risks so out of portion of the reality.

      • You claim that something has to be done.
        Well, you are getting your wish.
        Your freedoms are almost all gone.
        Guess what?
        Won’t make a spit of difference to the terrorists.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          BF

          That is true, for the most part. There may be some who stop due to perceived difficulty. But I doubt most will care.

          But again, that is the WRONG argument. I do not care if they feel threatened by it, I only care if the risk is reduced. And I am concerned about how we go about doing that. Not just loss of liberty but loss of economic vitality……….. the COST of it all.

          • Reduce a risk of less than being hit by lightening to … what?

            Pray tell, tell me how much freedom you will surrender and how much you will pay to lower a risk of 1 in 100 million to …. what? 1 in 200 million?

            • And if you are willing to pay anything over 1c to lower such a risk, WHY WOULD YOU SPEND SUCH MONEY ON SUCH A LOW RISK SCENARIO?

              You would be massively more better off to spend that money on lowering a risk that is so much larger to you – the gains for such an expenditure are much more larger since you would be lowering a REAL RISK instead of an irrelevant one.

              Spending trillions on lowering a 1 in 100 million risk to 1 in 200 million risk, you lost spending a trillion on making highways safer, or heart disease, etc. which is THE WAY YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO ACTUALLY DIE.

              You can spend the money only once, JAC. Spending it on an irrelevant risk changes nothing in your life. Spending it on a real risk betters your life.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                BF

                Because if I do not spend something the risk will increase. Doing absolutely nothing is NOT an option.

                This is not lightning. This is a violent act committed by humans. Just as with other types of violent crime. The risk of being harmed change with type of action we take to avoid it.

                And I do not ignore lightning. I take precautions because I know that standing in the open on a hill during a storm GREATLY increases my chance of being killed.

                I am not willing to sacrifice freedom for safety. But waiting to have my bags checked or passengers screened is NOT a loss of freedom. Nor is having all employees and vendors at an airport checked. Nor is handling a Visa program that prevents bad people an easy way through the front door.

                I agree that the threat is overblown given the level of efforts already in place. Many of which I think are not needed and are being used to simply expand Govt. power and bureaucracy. But your argument of comparing unlike factors makes it look like you think doing absolutely nothing is the proper action. Since the risk, currently, is less than a lightning strike.

                Yet we know full well that doing absolutely nothing would result in more attacks. So somewhere between the monstrosity Govt. apparatus we have and Zero is a REASONED level of response.

                For the record, I think the elevation of the threat rhetoric is more driven today by those who are using it for other reasons. One of which is to convince Americans we need to be over there, “bombing the shit out of them”.

                So it seems to me that the “security” measures we had were not enough and what we have now is far to much. Namely the Homeland Security behemoth.

              • “Because if I do not spend something the risk will increase. Doing absolutely nothing is NOT an option.”

                Utterly backwards.
                Because YOU DO SPEND MONEY TRYING TO ELIMINATE TERRORIST RISK, YOU INCREASE THE RISK OF TERRORISM.

                You are playing PRECISELY INTO THE VERY TACTIC OF TERRORISM.

                There is nothing you need to do against terrorism that isn’t done against other crimes. No additional effort is needed.

                You are trying to pretend the motive for the crime changes how one reacts to the crime.

                It matters not that a man wishes to murder for revenge or for profit. The existing tactics against murder is sufficient to mitigate both.

                Same with terrorists. They are merely criminals.
                They win when you elevate them to something more.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          BF

          “Utterly backwards.
          Because YOU DO SPEND MONEY TRYING TO ELIMINATE TERRORIST RISK, YOU INCREASE THE RISK OF TERRORISM.”

          WOW………. you are going to have to explain that one. You know, some cause and effect data, information, explanation.

          “You are playing PRECISELY INTO THE VERY TACTIC OF TERRORISM.”

          Linked to answer above.

          “There is nothing you need to do against terrorism that isn’t done against other crimes. No additional effort is needed.”

          AH HA………… so SOMETHING is required. Which was my point. Doing absolutely nothing is not an option. Now I disagree that normal criminal action is all that is needed. Because for the most part our criminal action is a REACTION after the fact. I believe some preventative action is appropriate.

          “You are trying to pretend the motive for the crime changes how one reacts to the crime.”

          But aren’t you arguing that the motive for the crime changes with the effort to prevent it? Is that not the same? And I am not making that argument. I am arguing that taking action to prevent certain crimes will reduce the chance of those crimes occurring. Their motivation does not change, their success rate changes.

          “It matters not that a man wishes to murder for revenge or for profit. The existing tactics against murder is sufficient to mitigate both.”

          I agree that neither prevention or prosecution changes motive. I agree that motivation does not matter. I disagree that the tactics dealing with murder are sufficient unless we are willing to admit that acts of murder, for reasons we call terrorism, can be prevented/reduced by some actions that are reasonable. Because generally we do not take much action to “prevent” murder. We simply hunt down the murderers.

          I see no rational argument for doing the same with those who wish to commit “acts of terror”. Whether domestic or foreign.

          “Same with terrorists. They are merely criminals. They win when you elevate them to something more.”

          I don’t really disagree with this. Except, we humans have for hundreds of years used a classification of “murder and violence” for political reasons as “terrorism” as opposed to other kinds of murder and violence. As we have classified other types of murder as well.

          I would not have any heart burn eliminating the various types of murder/violence nor the penalties based on supposed violations, like “hate crimes”. As I argued long ago, it matters not to the dead person whether you killed them out of hate, bigotry, or psychosis. They were “murdered” and thus you must pay a penalty.

          So please tell us, what SPECIFIC actions do you think appropriate to reduce the probability of terrorist attacks?

          • “Because YOU DO SPEND MONEY TRYING TO ELIMINATE TERRORIST RISK, YOU INCREASE THE RISK OF TERRORISM.”

            JAC, because you elevate terrorism to be more then merely a criminal act, thus, you want to spend money to eliminate a tactic, you are spending money on something that cannot be eliminated.

            But the money is spent doing something. The use of this money is applied to attacking people with most of these people becoming innocent victims of your attack.

            These people end up holding unrelenting revenge and they are motivated. What they do not have is advanced weapons to attack you back. So the use the tactic of terrorism upon you.

            Thus you are INCREASING THE USE OF A TACTIC BY TRYING TO ATTACK THE TACTIC.

            “AH HA………… so SOMETHING is required. Which was my point. Doing absolutely nothing is not an option.”

            I did not say “do nothing”. I said do nothing about TERRORISM.
            It is a tactic, no less then trying to prohibit “a pincher movement” in a battle, trying to destroy a TACTIC is pointless.

            Tactics are used by PEOPLE with a MOTIVE.
            You need to refresh yourself about “4th Generation Warfare”

            YOU CANNOT PREVENT TERRORISM, no less you can prevent “a queen’s gambit”.

            And yes, the response to criminal actions, including terrorism, is always reactive.
            You can work on root causes which leads people to commit criminal acts, but you cannot pretend you can eliminate criminals. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, IT WILL ALWAYS EXIST.

            Now I disagree that normal criminal action is all that is needed. Because for the most part our criminal action is a REACTION after the fact. I believe some preventative action is appropriate.

            “So please tell us, what SPECIFIC actions do you think appropriate to reduce the probability of terrorist attacks?”

            STOP PROVOKING THEM.

  9. Have Hope: Our Opponents Are Economic Imbeciles.

    I have never had a lot of patience. I suppose this is one of my character flaws.
    I do not suffer fools lightly. I suppose this is another one of my character flaws.
    I use strong rhetoric to deal with economic imbeciles. I do not regard this as one of my character flaws. I regard it as one of my strengths.

    ECONOMIC IMBECILES

    All around us are economic imbeciles. We find them in the major university economics departments. We find them on the financial media sites. We certainly find them in Government. Above all, we find them on the Central Banks of nations. These people believe that a government committee, filled with tenured bureaucrats, is better equipped to solve economic problems than the competitive free market is, where people have their own money on the line.

    They really are economic imbeciles. They may have IQ’s that got them through college or graduate school. But, in their understanding of cause and effect, they are imbeciles. They do not understand that they are imbeciles. They preach to the choirs that surround them.
    Why do economic imbeciles get a hearing? Because voters desperately want to justify the fact that they have used the state, and especially the federal government, to confiscate wealth from each other. They want to believe in their hearts that they are doing the morally right thing by sending out a thug with a badge and a gun, who tells the hapless citizen to fork over his money, or he will go to jail. We have an entire political and economic system which rests ultimately on this threat.

    Anyone who falls intellectually for this kind of immorality is not a reliable judge of much of anything. When this person goes looking for an expert opinion to justify the fact that he is a thief, he is likely to find that only third-rate logicians, who cannot follow the chain of reasoning, are going to come forward in the name of organized theft.

    It starts with a moral problem.

    It starts with a violation of the commandment not to steal. We have a modern civilization that is built on a systematic violation of this commandment.

    The overwhelming majority of voters today are convinced that the present economic order in no way violates this principle. Virtually all of the pastors in the pulpits are convinced of this. They don’t preach against the organized theft of modern Keynesianism. They don’t think it’s part of their calling to point out the obvious ethical implications of the system of government that compels people to support other people, merely because the other people don’t want to go out and get a job.

    Or maybe other people do want to go out and get a job, but they find competition from outside the country difficult to deal with. So, they call upon economic imbeciles to justify their desire by establishing trade barriers against imported goods. Fortunately, on this particular issue, there are a limited number of economic imbeciles with any influence, and there have not been many since the early 19th century. From Adam Smith until Murray Rothbard, economists who understand cause and effect have been opposed to trade barriers. So, those people who feel that they have a right to keep foreigners from competing against them have to appeal to economic imbeciles who cannot think straight.
    I suppose I shouldn’t use strong rhetoric. The phrase “economic imbeciles” is strong rhetoric. The problem is this: these people really are economic imbeciles.

    They literally cannot follow cause-and-effect and economic analysis. This is why they don’t like Austrian school economics. This is why most of them favor central banking. This is why they favor government intervention into the economy. Their instinctive reaction to every problem is to get the government to pass a law, set up a bureaucracy, and send out people with badges and guns to tell other people what to do. It is a way of life for these people. It is also a way of life for the court economists who are on government payrolls in tax-funded universities.

    BAD ETHICS AND PAINFUL OUTCOMES

    If there were no built-in self-destruct arrangements in the very character, meaning moral character, of the institutions of organized theft, then I don’t think we could win the battle. If it were simply a matter of good arguments driving out bad arguments, I don’t think we could win this thing. Self-interest really is dominant. That is what economic analysis teaches, and I believe this principle.

    But self-interest on behalf of organized theft is misplaced. Built into the creation, and built into the free market economy, are a series of poison pills. When individuals use violence or the threat of violence to interfere with market processes, they don’t look at the long-term consequences of these interferences. Somewhere down the road, there is going to be hell to pay. There is going to be a great default. There is going to be something that disrupts the lives of those voters, as well as their victims, who vote in favor of the expansion of governments into the lives of citizens.

    The defenders of organized theft deny that there are these built-in negative sanctions against any society that follows these practices, but, as I’ve said, the defenders are economic imbeciles.

    If incorrect ideas and bad ethics did not produce bad results, the case for liberty would never get off the ground. People would simply ignore the arguments. But, there really are built-in negative sanctions that will produce disasters in those societies that extend the influence and power of civil government into market processes. The public will be astounded when these sanctions arrive. Millions of voters are going to go looking for answers. In that period of confusion, consternation, and enormous capital losses, which is going to destroy the dreams and schemes of generations of complacent thieves, the thieves are going to want to know how this happened.

    I think the success of the movie, The Big Short, is indicative of the opportunity that lies ahead. The movie does not talk about the Federal Reserve System, but it certainly talks about the bankers, greed, and the fact that the government did nothing to protect the victims. When the really big short takes place, defenders of liberty will have an opportunity to enter the competitive arena of ideas. We will have this advantage: we are not economic imbeciles. We can follow cause and effect. We can express these ideas without resorting to arcane formulas. We can actually speak in English. Most of our opponents do not have this ability. They cannot make themselves understood by the general public.

    A BATTLE OF SLOGANS

    The Keynesians have no equivalent of this slogan: “There is no such thing as a free lunch.” This is a powerful slogan. So is this one: “You can’t get something for nothing.” So is this one: “If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.” So is this one: “Honesty is the best policy.” But, above all others, we have this one: “Thou shalt not steal.”

    The Keynesians have this slogan: “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help you.” The entire case for Keynesianism is based on this slogan.

    This is why it pays to defend freedom. Even when the overwhelming majority of voters do not want to hear the arguments, we should keep making them. We should keep pointing out that there will be horrendous negative repercussions for violations of the principle of voluntary exchange. We don’t get a hearing, except during crises.

    I have good news. There will be plenty of crises in which we will get a hearing.

    • Hiya, BF. You really think that you can get peope to understand the relationship with cause and effect? No one….or I should say….hardly anyone understands, much less agrees with, cause/effect…..even though they actually live with it day to day…..even in non economic terms.

      It is really getting interesting to listen to the pundits on the oil prices and who or what is “causing” the low oi prices. They are blaming the Saudis for flooding the market….trying to creat hysteria. For the first time in US history, we have locally produced more than we used in 2015. The introduction of shale technology has delivered a pretty good blow to the sweet overseas crude of the Saudis and Iran/Iraq, Kuwait…etc. And FINALLY, the law against overseas selling has been removed and China is paying a 20% premium for oil. They are now the largest oil consumer in the world. The oil prices are about to turn around….we are watching that closely.

      What is more interesting is listening to the pundits on the news….especially Fox and CNN stock analysts. As you undoubtedly know, these are supposed to be the new gurus of the future….all MBA’s…some with PHD’s in international economics…..and they do not know shit from shinola simply because they do not know what cause and effect is….much less the impact from it.

      Anyway…good to hear from you, my friend, and I hope you and yours are doing well…and I hope you have adjusted to your injury.

      • People can ignore cause and effect, but they cannot ignore the consequences of cause and effect.

        I think was is important as a philosophical question, if “bad actions do not cause bad consequences” then why would anyone act in a “good way”? Therefore, because we have discerned “bad/good” in our actions, we have discovered that bad actions tend toward bad consequences and good actions tend toward good consequences.

        Yet, many people, for their own reasons, try hard to ignore this cause/effect and eventually it catches up to them.

        As long as broad,pervasive theft called “taxes” remains to most to be “not theft”, the situation will eventually come back at them one day and wreck them.

        —-

        Life is good. Found a new wonderful lady to spend time with and who has provided me new goals and, hence, new plans. Probably saved my life.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          I’m so happy for you! Glad you have come back to share your character flaws with us again, we miss it 🙂 Wish you were around for the last thread about the BLM and that mess in Oregon, could have added some good commentary! PEACE and pass on my best wishes to your new found companion and your daughter.

        • YAY! 😉

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I’m always trying to point out the causes of things, some seem hellbent protecting big brother, so the causes will just keep happening until they are made very public 🙂

    • January 11, 2016 @ 2:08 pm:

      “I have never had a lot of patience.”

      Well, by gosh….who knew?

      Good to see you BF. Think of you and your daughter often – hope you are doing as well as can be expected.

  10. https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/…/corn-wheat-so…

    Stockpiles of corn and soybeans in the U.S., the world’s largest grower, probably were the biggest ever on Dec. 1, and wheat inventories were the highest in five years, according to a Bloomberg survey of analysts. Domestic stockpiles have been swelling as U.S. exports falter, fueled by a strong dollar and rising production by other suppliers. –Megan Durisin, Bloomberg, 10 January 2016

    International food prices dipped by 19 per cent in the last year, the fourth consecutive annual fall, due to substantial decline in dairy, sugar and veg oil prices according to the United Nations food agency. Abundant supplies in the face of a timid world demand and an appreciating US dollar are the main reasons for the general weakness that has dominated food prices in 2015, the Food and Agriculture Organisation said in its monthly food price index. —Press Trust of India, 11 January 2016

    Bumper crops elsewhere are the main reason for low prices. Globally, the cereal harvest this year will be very close to last year’s huge record. This was not supposed to happen. The eco-gloomsters who had talked for decades about a coming food crisis, even while famines faded, thought their day had come at last. The world cereal harvest grew by 20 per cent in the past ten years (cereals provide 65 per cent of our calories). It needs to grow by another 70 per cent in the next 35 years to feed 2050’s nine billion people, probably with more affluent tastes. It is on track to do so and to release a huge area from growing food at the same time. –Matt Ridley, The Times, 21 September 2015

    India’s horticulture output has outpaced the production of foodgrains third year in a row in 2014-15 despite deficit monsoon, unseasonal rains and hailstorms. Horticultural crops comprise of fruits, vegetables, plantation crops, flowers, spices and aromatics, while the foodgrains basket contains wheat, rice, coarse cereals, oil seeds and pulses. India has witnessed voluminous increase in horticulture production over the last few years. Data show that fruits and vegetables account for nearly 90% of the total horticulture production in India which is, at present, the second largest producer of fruits and vegetables in the world. –Vishwa Mohan, The Times of India, 1 January 2016

    • gmanfortruth says:

      The only way we see a food shortage in this country is if there is a major nationwide power outage that lasts for several weeks. I’m not sure why people still think that a food shortage will occur. Outside of some fresh produce or fruit, all my stuff is home grown/raised/hunted. Produce would be lettuce, onions, a few heads of cabbage a year. Apples and some oranges for the old man.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Gman

        Disruption of gasoline supplies or a physical disruption of the transportation system, both of which are related.

        Neither require a power outage, although that would cause a similar problem.

        Of course the other is a complete failure of our MONEY. Try getting contracts for food shipped when hyper inflation takes hold.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          A substation in the Gettysburg region blew the other year. All power was out until the suburbs of Harrisburg PA. No lights, gas, nothing for at least 6 hours.

          I was thinking a common household item like sugar might prove quite damaging.

  11. gmanfortruth says:

    The Arizona Senate is poised to pass a bill that will outlaw citizens from taking videos of police, even on their own private property.

    “It is unlawful for a person to knowingly make a video recording of law enforcement activity,” SB 1054 reads, “if the person making the video recording does not have the permission of a law enforcement officer and is within twenty feet of where the law enforcement activity is occurring.”

    The bill also states that an individual may not record police on their private property or in their homes unless they are twenty feet away from police or “from an adjacent room.” If a police officer determines the individual is “interfering in the law enforcement activity or that it is not safe to be in the area,” the officer may order “the person to step recording or to leave the area.”

    Police routinely oppose citizens recording their activity and the proposed legislation will provide them with a legal loophole to shut down all video recording as interference in law enforcement activity.

    The Arizona law is a response to numerous videos that have shown police abuse. In a few instances, individual police officers have faced prosecution for violating the rights of citizens as a result of video recordings. The government has a keen interest in preventing this sort of evidence and maintaining its exclusive monopoly of violence without challenge from citizens.

    The legislation represents another encroachment on private property by the state. If police can tell you want to do on your own property, you no longer have property rights.

    “If government officials can fine and arrest you for growing vegetables in your front yard, praying with friends in your living room, installing solar panels on your roof, and raising chickens in your backyard, you’re no longer the owner of your property. If school officials can punish your children for what they do or say while at home or in your care, your children are not your own—they are the property of the state,” writes John W. Whitehead.

    “This is what a world without the Fourth Amendment looks like, where the lines between private and public property have been so blurred that private property is reduced to little more than something the government can use to control, manipulate and harass you to suit its own purposes, and you the homeowner and citizen have been reduced to little more than a tenant or serf in bondage to an inflexible landlord.”
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/arizona-readies-bill-to-outlaw-citizens-recording-cops-on-private-property.html

  12. gmanfortruth says:

    Justice Anthony Kennedy feels that if faithful Christians don’t like his usurping of their rights to define marriage as between one man and one woman, then they should just quit their jobs if they happen to hold public office. In other words: “I am King, now do what I say… or else.”

    Speaking to an audience of Harvard law school students Wednesday, Justice Kennedy was asked if public officials who disagree with same-sex marriage or abortion should comply with the law if they hold public office, to which he replied “no” and declared that those officials should quit their jobs instead.

    It would’ve been interesting to see him squirm had the question gone something like this: “Justice Kennedy, what should Christians do if their wishes to define marriage as between one man and one woman are completely usurped from them by an unelected official who thinks he can legislate from the bench?”

    But since his audience consisted most likely of left-wing elitists who admire Justice Kennedy for upholding abortion rights and sanctioning nationwide same-sex marriage, no such question was asked.

    Strangely though, Justice Kennedy actually cited Christians resigning under Hitler’s regime in order to drive home his point that if one has a moral conviction against an immoral law, then that person needs to pack his or her bags and leave.

    “How many judges, do you think, resigned in the Third Reich?” Justice Kennedy asked his audience. “Three.”

    You said it, Justice Kennedy, not us.

  13. gmanfortruth says:

    ALERT!

    Commerce between Europe and North America has literally come to a halt. For the first time in known history, not one cargo ship is in-transit in the North Atlantic between Europe and North America. All of them (hundreds) are either anchored offshore or in-port. NOTHING is moving. https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/750

    • Want to know why?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Sure, what’s your take?

        • The pipeline is full. THere is no where to put the products……we have oil tankers full of oil…banneryear on grains…..lower demand on finished goods…..over supply.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Yep, that’s the common theme. It’s as if people are not buying much these days, on a planetary scale. Eventually, this has to hit the overblown stock market, they can’t sustain their manipulation much longer.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          d13thecolonel

          Here is my take. The drop is PRIMARILY due to expanded PRODUCTION, aka: supply.

          Actual demand for commodities has not waivered significantly over that which existed just prior to the 2007 crash. What has happened is ramped up production in anticipation of greater demand due to PROJECTED GROWTH. That growth is not materializing, thus the increased production has resulted in an over supply.

          I expect some investors are holding non perishable cargo in hopes prices improve. But deflationary pressure seems to be showing up every where. Should be some great Fire Sales on certain commodities pretty soon.

          • Yes sir…the pipeline is full.

            • *****atempt at carefully constructed humor****……..did not work.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                With “productivity” inprovements, not nessesarily “quality” the stuff is sure there to buy. Except with the current jobs, marginal at best and disappear quickly, and income stagnant, those with jobs. To me that says that even the “new” growth is not materializing as the population increases……People are just plain tired of replacing something you just bought, for a dear price, to have it be obsolete in 2 years and either can not get it repaired or replace it. Sure it have some more function……lets use Microsoft as an example. Absolute pieces of shit new products but everyone is ceasing to support the older ones that worked fine. Forcing you to buy a new computer and software….people are tired.
                The bottom of the housing market here was suppose to have been in 2010. It has dropped another 35% since then.

                Bernenke said credit credit credit make the economy run….we have to get the people to spend not save, Most people do not have that cash laying around to keep buying more and more…..credit comes in and that has its limits. Witness the housing bust.

                This crash will be driven by consumer goods and automobiles. There is NO way the vast majority of the people here in town can afford the truly fine machines they are driving around in. Even in front of the food shelter.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              d13

              Just pointing out to some that it is not all because of a drop in demand. That is the story being spread but it is not true.

              Kind of like the Dems accusing the Reps of slashing the budget because they reduced the RATE OF GROWTH.

  14. Just A Citizen says:

    Perfect example of what I was talking about when I said the American Public supports federal land protection. See all the people ASKING for this?

    See how none of them can address a REASONED argument for why it is needed. It has developed without a “sanctuary” status. So why is it needed for something that came to exist to continue existing??

    They want all this tourism and Kayak trips, Wait until they find out those Kayak and Canoes are not compatible with “wildlife sanctuary” needs.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/sport/ghost-fleet-graveyard-nature-green-environment-sanctuary/index.html

    Oh, it also fits well with BF’s commentary on principles and the willingness of people to use Govt. theft to get what they want. Never considering they are taking from others.

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    Turned out it was a good thing Bama went for that last TD.

    I thought Clemson the better Team in terms of starting O and D. Except …… the two corners for Clemson who goofed twice…….. and each cost 7 points. Bama……… better coaching during the game making adjustments. And of course the onside kick.

    At least it was a great game.

    • Yes….Clemson was the better team on the field down for down……the back breaker to take momentum away from Clemson was a perfectly executed on side kick. Have to give coaching edge to Bama also…..I have never understood blitz calls from a zone defense…wide outs are historically open…..but…that is a coaching call.

    • Afraid I will have to disagree about Clemson being the better team and not because Bama was “my” team. I would say they were about as even as two teams could be. Skill players made the difference. No doubt on offence the Clemson QB was the best player on the field and he made enough spectacular plays to win. On the Clemson D the left end beat Alabama’s right tackle like a drum. Because of his play 20% of Alabama’s offensive plays went for minus yardage, that’s hard to overcome. Even with all the minus plays Alabama still averaged 6.7 yards per play while Clemson averaged 6.5 yards per play. Henry ran for 158 yards, far more than any Clemson player. Coker played fair but still managed to pass for 13.4 yards per completion while Watson threw for 8.6 yards per completion. Special teams is where Alabama shined. Drake alone had 195 return yards whereas Clemson had a total of 68 yards. Alabama was better at making halftime adjustments than Clemson. At the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter Coker passed left to Howard with a play that was drawn up at halftime and never practiced. Result TD. All said and done it was a very good game. If the game had lasted 5 more minutes I think Clemson would have come out on top as Alabama’s defense was about done. But hey it didn’t and we got another one.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        bamadad

        We are saying the same thing essentially. Put both starting O and D on the field and Clemson wins. Add “coaching adjustment” and “special teams”, along with the guts to call one trick play and Alabama gets another title.

        The one big difference which surprised me was the Def. Backs. Clemson was supposed to have the advantage there. Now they lost their best guy but still, it was the D backs who screwed up three plays. Two passes to the tight end for TD’s and the end around that the Dback missed the tackle on, also a TD. Meanwhile Bama’s D backs were smothering the Tiger wide outs. Clemson would have looked pitiful if not for that white kid. Yeah… I just had to say it.

  16. Just A Citizen says:

    Some good points, some bad arguments and some things to think about.

    My comment: When Stockman goes off the reservation of sound reasoning on unrelated topics he damages the credibility on the more important. In this case his flawed attack of the second amendment completely clouds the more important arguments on gun violence and the Govts role, as well as the truly greater threats.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-stockman/leviathan-gun-control-and_b_8961082.html?utm_hp_ref=homepage

  17. gmanfortruth says:

    Question of the day:

    If all of the propaganda of fear were removed, how long would the American people continue to accept a bloated corrupt government?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Until they can’t afford it. How would they know it is corrupt or bloated?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        What else would the MSM report on? Without the constant stories that portend fear, it would be weather and politics.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          G

          My point is that much of our knowledge of corruption and bloating come from the “fear propaganda” you would ban. And since the MSM would be only covering the weather, who would know if anything was wrong?

          Besides, you have to define “fear propaganda” or “fear mongering” before we can tell what is real and what is not. For example, are the stories of Obama taking your guns “fear propaganda”?? I would submit that it is.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            People could figure it out. If the fear mongering would suddenly stop, wouldn’t people wonder why we need to pay for a DHS, TSA etc? People who fly would certainly question the need for such nonsense. Yes, I really do think the TSA is a joke and a complete waste of money. Even today, with all the fear and past actions of terrorists (at least claimed actions), the TSA is a joke. That would start the conversation, which would grow and questions on spending would be raised and become louder. If people weren’t so wrapped up in bullshit they could focus on probably this countries biggest problem, the Federal Government.

  18. Interesting factoid……..Just got back from the Mexican Consulate in Dallas, Tx. My brother and I are trying to get a “residencia temporal” ( temporary residence visa ) for the purposes of maintaining a residence in Mexico in San Miguel Allende. We had to go to the immigration department to secure the Visa…or at least get the paperwork started due to the 2016 changes in Mexici immigration.

    In order to immigrate to Mexico…even for temporary residence, you are barred from a Visa until you prove financial solvency of $50,000 or greater and have work already secured. In other words, you must PROVE financial responsibility. In addition, you are barred for a period of 4 years from any state supported services and that includes medical.

    Hmmmmmmmmm……………would that not be interesting here. Before you immigrate to the United States….you must prove worthiness and self sufficiency.

    • That is the way it used to be. The incremental chipping away of sanity continues.

      I would really love to know the end game of these folks. Somehow, somewhere along the line, the bill will come due. Then what?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Just to VISIT New Zealand

      Proof of funds

      You will also need to show us proof that you have enough money to support yourself during your stay. This means you have a minimum of:
      NZ$1000 per person per month of the visit, or
      NZ$400 per person per month if accommodation has already been paid for – we will require proof of prepayment, such as hotel prepaid vouchers.

      To immigrate you must show economic “independence”. The amount used to be at least $50,000 in the bank and proof of a job before you arrive, OR sufficient funds to show you can live for years without becoming a welfare case.

      IRONY?? Most of the countries where we have large international cross border movement have the SAME requirements. We are the only ones who IGNORE the rules if you sneak in the country or can get the Democrats to adopt you as their latest Empathy Case.

      • Correct…..and another hoop to jump through for us…..we have to go to our local Sheriff and get a “good boy letter” from the sheriff that says there are no felony or misdemeanor arrests on our record. You will not be able to obtain a “residencia temporal” with even a misdemeanor arrest.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Here is the basic requirements in Europe. They can make life miserable to travel, of easy. But the bottom line, is proof to be able to RE-emigrate, return ticket. Bank accounts, Income tax returns, proof of monetary assets capable to sustain yourself while there, if visiting family letters from them, work proof, Medical insurance up to 30,000 euros and a means if treatment exceeds that to go home……poof with all this “refugee” stuff, at least for Germany. Italy has been trying to enforce the rules for years and the EU has told them suck it up and then France and Austria close the borders from Italy. Been years.

          http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-application-requirements/

          Heck the last time I went to Canada on business they demanded all sorts of papers which had never been required before. They took my passport and then would not let me return to the States and await the papers I needed from our Toronto office, on a Sunday even. Blizzard and couldn’t go anywhere for about 12 hours. Had to return back through the same port of entry to prove I’ve left on the given day. Total BS.

          Basically the Canadians were doing tit for tat. The US was being nasty so reciprocal action was taken.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Dale

            Exactly. I used to cross the border frequently. Each time it got harder there were two reasons given.

            1. The US is requiring this to re-enter the USA, and
            2. We don’t want any of you stuck on our side of the border.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              With having lived so close to the border for years trips to Canada were frequent. Never ever had a problem except that last time. Each and every time was re-entering the US, there was a problem, even with passports. I always carried mine. One time went on a shopping trip to Montreal. Paid all the relevent taxes etc. Left Canada and upon entry to the US you handed them the disclosure for, We both were UNDER the limits of what could be brought back duty free. The agent saw that we had paid the taxes. They would not allow us entry into the US until we returned to Canada, get a refund for the $’s in taxes. Then come back through customs and show them the refund. We kept insisting we DID NOT CARE, its just a few dollars. The time spent wasn’t worth it. They insisted……now I did make as I was leaving after the rigamoro…..what about NAFTA? We’re entering a DUTY free trade zone and vis-a-vis. Wrong thing to do. The UK agents said that the US treats our citizens like crap. Turn abouts fair play. Part of the Italian and EU issues against the US were because the US was NOT reciprocating as agreed.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Kathy

      I think the difference is true although the “fear” or “problem” is not as bad as stated.

      An “action” would direct an Agency to do something. In this last case it is to mess with the definitions of “who is conducting business”. The Agency cannot just implement the order if it violates existing regulations. Which means they will have to go through “rule changes”.

      The Rule Change process includes a chance for public input as well as Congressional input. The down side is that a change in regulation may be harder to challenge in the court, at least until someone’s ox is actually gored. Unlike the EO’s which the states challenged based on obvious future or indirect affect without following normal procedures.

      Regulations must meet the goals and limitations of the Congressional laws that authorize them and be shown to not be arbitrary or capricious.

      A good example of E Action that led to regulations was the EPA changes to air quality that included CO2.. The Regulation then had to be challenged. SCOTUS upheld the Regulation as meeting Congressional Intent of the original law.

      Here is an important point to keep in mind. If Govt. is working per fiduciary and trustee concepts it works best if Congress writes general laws and the Executive creates the implementing regulations. The two would not differ and the rules writers would confer with Congress to make sure intent was met.

      But as rules get farther out of bounds Congress responds by writing more specific, as in “prescriptive” laws. These have little flexibility but can result in miscarriage of justice. Such as the 5 year minimum sentence for Arson of federal range lands in the Hammond Ranch case.

      P.S. I forgot to congratulate you on the Badger’s bowl win. It took several years but I will declare our BET even. You are free to eat those Brats now!

  19. gmanfortruth says:

    The Royal Bank of Scotland is telling clients to dump their stocks, forecasting the economy is about to take a turn for the worse – leading to conditions similar to those seen in 2008.

    “Sell everything except high quality bonds,” the bank said in a note to clients. “In a crowded hall, exit doors are small. Risks are high.”

    The Guardian reports, this time around, China’s economic slowdown could be the catalyst for a global financial crisis.

    With the Dow Jones recently slumping to the worst-ever five-day start and oil prices tanking to seven-year lows in result of China’s economy, the economist are predicting the U.S. markets could fall somewhere between 10 and 20 percent.

    “We think investors should be afraid that the ominous outlook for the world in our Year Ahead has been borne out (ex-ECB cuts) over the past six weeks,” the bank wrote. “This hardens our ‘anti-goldilocks’ and deflationist views.”

    The bank said central banks providing low interest rates has supported the markets, and without that quantitive easing, there could be economic consequences.

    “We suspect 2016 will be characterized by more focus on how the exiting occurs of positions in the 3 main asset classes that benefitted from QE (other than high quality govt FI, which is cheap): 1) EM, 2) credit, 3) equities,” the note reads.

    Other banks have also advised their clients to get out of the turbulent markets if the opportunity presents itself.

    “Our view is that the risk-reward for equities has worsened materially. In contrast to the past seven years, when we advocated using the dips as buying opportunities, we believe the regime has transitioned to one of selling any rally,” J.P Morgan equity strategist Mislav Matejka said in a report.
    http://dailycallernewsfoundation.org/2016/01/12/major-bank-predicts-cataclysmic-year-tell-clients-to-sell-everything/

    • Not a lot to worry about unless you are in speculative stocks/bonds. We have been through these corrections before and there will be more in the years ahead…..about every 7 to 10 years. If you are in blue chips….you are ok. One thing to remember, the really strong companies are flush with cash. The value of stocks may drop some but the yields will continue to play out regardless of the value of the stocks. Dividends are paid on the amount of available cash per share and not on the value. As long as the company is strong and has plenty of cash in the bank, dividends never change. TO do so, invites investors to divest their stocks…..something that companies do not want.

      The problem becomes more acute if you have loans pledged against the stocks. If you are using your portfolio on your financial statement and your personal financials are backing commercial or even personal loans, you better be prepared to come up with additional assets to increase your value or take your cash and get debt free, if you can. When recessions like this hit, it is the debt to equity ratios that bankrupt people and companies. Companies that are marginal will not get credit lines extended. So, it is imperative that you get liquid during these times or that you have copious amounts of cash available when your credit dries up. Cash is and always will be KING.

      Even people that are holding metals as a hedge against inflation/recession also have a problem if that is the sum total of their assets. What is interesting about this is that if you have gold/silver/palladium etc listed on your financial statement as an asset like a gold BACKED IRA or something similar, you are in an equal dilemma. Since the metals have been bouncing all over the chart in the last two years, they are discounted on financial statements and are only given about 75% value that is tied to all fluctuations. The majority of mortgage bankers and providers are not considering metals as collateral for mortgage loans….especially metal BACKED securities. Just because you have metal backed securities does not mean you actually have the metals if you want them…and because the spot markets are so volatile, they are not considered as reliable in these instances, In addition, you cannot take physical metals down to your banker and use them as currency or even get them to buy them., You have to take them to dealers and you will only get a buck or two over spot….depending upon the metals. For example, gold today is 1088.45…tomorrow it may go up or down by 5 bucks or so…..silver is 13.85…and the same happens……so, lenders do not put much faith in the metals.

      We are holding onto all premium stocks/bonds that pay yields…and tax free munies that pay yields. We have substantial cash that will be beneficial in purchasing stocks and such when the bottom falls out, Any metals that we have are for future inflation but are NOT listed on financial statements and will never be. And, we are totally debt free. That, in our opinion, has always worked. We do not use interest as a hedge against income unless it is fully leveraged.

      So, I do not listen very intently to the doom and gloomers or the pie in the sky forecasters. Watch international transportation rates very closely….watch global inventory very closely, and watch currencies very closely. Those are your best indicators in our opinion. Since we are also in the oil and gas industry, we also watch strategic inventories very closely. They are full and so are the ships in the harbors and every tanker truck and every storage tank. This ultimately leads to lower oil prices.

      What is amazing to me and makes no sense at all are the amounts of so called experts that predict all this crap. China is nothing but the fear of China’s market is allowed to run things in the markets because of its size. Everybody was worried about the Yuan….history shows that is not a worry. Nothing is going to replace the USD as the worlds reserve currency….nothing is even close. China has a huge problem because they run deficits…just like the US has amassed but there is nothing out there to pay the deficits with…it is all paper.

      So, Wall Street and hedge funds have played this up and forced artificially high pricing. All these young gurus with paper MBA’s, as BF pointed out, do not know shit from shinola, as I have pointed out.

      Stay liquid….you will survive.

  20. gmanfortruth says:
  21. gmanfortruth says:

    Up to 10 U.S. Navy sailors were detained Tuesday by Iranian Revolutionary Guard forces after at least one vessel they were in became disabled and drifted into Iranian territorial waters, a senior military official confirms to Fox News.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Normal procedure.

      Better question………. why did our vessel “drift” into Iranian waters without being rescued by OUR ships?

      Another question ……. what is the boundary of Iranian waters? Did they use “international” accepted boundaries or their new We are God rules??

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I have no other details as of now, but will post them when available.

      • JAC…..there are no accepted International boundaries any longer.

        • Update…..there are apparently two ships involved and they did not drift into waters…they were captured in what we call INternational Waters and what Iran calls their waters….even Kuwait claims the same waters. They are on an island. I do not know how accurate this is but I am told through intelligence sources that the Iranians plan to release the sailors immediately,…..nothing about the ships or the type of ships as yet.

  22. gmanfortruth says:

    UPDATE! http://thelastgreatstand.com/2016/01/12/oregon-victory-judge-and-2-us-marshals-in-route-to-restore-constitutional-rule-of-law/

    The imbedded video is that of the talk between the FBI and the Pacific Patriot Network, delivering points of resolution to the current situation in Oregon.. The first 20 minutes of the video is interesting, but the good stuff happens after that. An explanation of what is wanted by those occupying the Refuge building. A demand for an investigation concerning a witness withheld from the defense is interesting. Going to put up another post from someone at the Bundy standoff in Nevada about some of the people in the occupying crew. Quite interesting.

  23. gmanfortruth says:

    This is from a guy named Christian Yingling, these are his views of some of the people holding up with the Bundy’s: (part one)

    Back during the Bundy situation, Ryan Payne declared himself the unofficial “leader” of the militias present at the Bundy ranch. Nothing could have been further from the truth. In fact, none of the militias listened to him at all. The ONLY ones who listened to him were the Bundy’s, Blaine Cooper, who Payne claimed was a “professional security consultant’, who turned out to be nothing more than an ex con, and buddah bear (nice name) who he also claimed was a “professional security consultant”, but was later discovered to be nothing more than a tattoo artist thug. The militias ignoring these three, is precisely why that situation didnt turn into a blood bath. (strangely enough all three are present at the refuge)

    I and Scott Woods were asked on one occasion, by Payne to go and destroy BLM equipment in the middle of the night. We refused, stating that that’s not why we were there. We were there solely to defend the family. That very same night he rushed off in a car with a loaded AR to START a violent altercation with LEOs who supposedly had pulled over members of the Armenian Militia off exit 10 near the ranch. This report was never vetted nor was it looked into before he rushed off. It is also well documented that Payne had tried to incite other militia members to start violent altercations with the authorities who were present there. all of which were refused by militia members..all for the same reason…we were NOT there to start a fight…but to DEFEND the family. When people refused, Payne, Cooper, and Buddah ostracized them and ran them off the ranch. This is why most militias left the ranch when they did. One other point worth mentioning was there were militia members present with long range 50 cal sniper rifles… but instead of positioning them on the hilltops surrounding the ranch, Payne had them stationed down in a valley where they were effectively useless…does that sound like the makings of a solid leader to you? And also Payne was always sure to make certain that there was ONE completely UNDEFENDED access point to the ranch.. I brought this up to him asking why he would leave our back door completely open and undefended… and he completely blew me off… What he was doing in fact, was leaving an access point open for authorities to bum rush the ranch if that’s what they felt needed to be done. And I have the witnesses to prove it.

    Now throughout the situation Payne made repeated threats to law enforcement on NATIONAL media. There’s VIDEO of him doing this..its not hard to find. Yet oddly enough with all that evidence he was never charged with anything during or after the standoff. Does that seem ODD to anyone but me? (not if you’re a paid provocateur) Now in this situation at the refuge, he has publicly stated to a reporter that he has snipers set up to kill any federal official who approaches the refuge. Yet still.. no charges are being filed against him. making threats like that, you’d think they’d swoop in and scoop him up… but noooo.. because they’re giving patriots time to get there… Don’t think for one second that with a couple of phone calls to the proper alphabet agencies, those shmucks wont be SORELY outnumbered. Tell you what… if you think LEO’s don’t take threats against them seriously… go find the nearest cop and walk up to him and tell him you plan to kill police officers and see what happens to you.. See how long it takes for you to end up in prison.. yet Payne roams free..as does Cooper. Better yet go ask Schuyler Barbeau what happens when you threaten a public official… oh wait…you can’t… hes in prison… because of a facebook post. Funny how that works huh? Also… has anyone else noticed that until this situation popped up Payne was damned near SILENT on social media? Wonder why that is… Hell, Most of you don’t even know who he is… He also claimed to be an Army Ranger, But when we had someone at the Ranger School check their records… they said NO Ryan Payne had EVER attended that school… whoda thunk it?

  24. gmanfortruth says:

    Part 2:

    Myself and Scott begged the Bundys, after we left (via phone) to stop listening to Payne..that he was a plant. But they refused to listen. Payne wouldn’t let ANYONE talk to the Bundy’s with out him being present..or close by. The Bundy’s are good God fearing Christians but they are TERRIBLY naive. They truly believe Payne is one of the good guys. Which is why they are at the refuge now. Do you honestly think for one second it was AMMON’s idea to take that building? If you do… you’re a fool. They’re not that type of people. Ammon has been suckered into this standoff by Payne and Cooper. He truly went up there with the intention of helping the Hammonds, and when they were refused, The Bundy’s were made to believe that taking a stand against the BLM was the answer.
    Nothing could be further from the truth. Now Cliven is on his way there.. and the govt is finally going to get their revenge on the Bundy’s and in doing so gain the access they need to their land. All the major players in the operation of that Ranch will soon be together at the wildlife refuge… thats no coincidence. I assure you.
    Payne, Cooper, Pete Santili… All well trained provocateurs who are doing everything in their power to lure patriots to the ranch.. Case in point…Santili just released a video try to say that the FBI was TRYING to shut him down.. Dont you think if that were the case…with ALL of the resources the FBI has, they would just go ahead and do it…do you really think this shmuck is smart enough to outsmart the ENTIRE FBI? Think about it…

    Let us continue on.. why the wild life refuge? how in the blue hell did they even know it existed if this wasn’t PRE-PLANNED? And why were their trailers staged up there THURSDAY night if this was all “unplanned”? And if they wanted support so bad…why not let the Oregon 3%ers and militia in on this? I’ll tell you why.. because they would have had no part in it and vehemently refused if they had known…. as was demonstrated by their response once they found out. SO..that being said.. why pick a place so remote.. I’ll tell you why.. the same reason the Bundy ranch was picked.. it’s remote… no civilian casualties. And if everyone out there is killed there’s no witnesses allowing the govt to write the narrative of what happened afterwards..You can bet any reporters out there will be silenced should they actually get close enough to catch anything worth documenting unless of course they’re willing to report what they’re told to… the reason it failed at the Bundy ranch was because the community got so involved… NOT the case at the refuge.

  25. Quick….google Wisconsin Athletic association of banned words on basketball courts and fields…..amazing,

  26. gmanfortruth says:

    Now lets look at poor John Ritzheimer. This guy is exhibiting all the classic signs of PTSD. It is my belief that he is not in on this plan but like the Bundy’s… has been suckered into believing what he is doing is right. This poor bastard is still fighting the war in his head and Assholes like Payne and Cooper are feeding into his delusions that dying for this cause is what he needs to do. They are taking advantage of his big heart and his undying love for the country he fought for and twisting him into a suicidal maniac. Im sorry if that stings.. but I assure you its the cold hard truth. How could ANYONE in their right mind think that dying trying to fight the BLM of all things is going to “change the govt”? How ignorant do you have to be to think that fighting and dying out there is going to somehow make the BLM fold up shop and stop what they are doing.

    Sorry kids… the ONLY people who can stop the BLM are in DC.. and I assure you, as long as People like Harry Reid and the like are around… the BLM is not going anywhere.. no matter how much we fight them and run them off. We ran them off at the Bundy ranch…and how much did that slow them down..? we ran them off at the sugar pine mine… how much did that slow them down…? What makes anyone think this will be any different? Mind boggling I tell you.
    Now to those of you who are buying into this whole “this will galvanize the movement line of crap”.. What this is REALLY going to do is crush the patriot movement. They are going to hit these people with such force with such blinding speed and a level of violence of action that most patriots are going to turn and look at their own children and go there’s no way in HELL I want that to happen to MY family… thus the reason there are women and Children being taken to the refuge. The govt has already shown at WACO and Ruby Ridge just how willing they are to kill American Children. Don’t think for a second they wont do it here as well.

    All the classic signs of a psyop. They plan to frighten the people into not even daring to ever take a stand against them again.
    So what then of the militias? We’ll still be here but will be forced into hiding.. those who aren’t will be scooped up and charged as Domestic Terrorists. Do you for even ONE second really believe that this happening at the same time as Obama prepares to announce a whole new slew of gun restrictions is really a coincidence? Its not.. Not at all. What this is going to be used for is an EXCUSE to show why we need to disarm the American people for their own safety.. or put into place such SEVERE restrictions on owning firearms that we will NEVER be able to properly defend ourselves against a tyrannical govt. Hitler did it… Stalin did it… Mao did it… now Obama’s doing it. History is repeating itself in front of our own eyes and we’re too blinded by raw emotion to recognize it.
    If everyone picked up and left that refuge tomorrow, what do you think Payne and Cooper would do? They’re so die hard…think they’d stay and fight? I mean that’s what they’re saying… they’re not leaving right? Prepared to die for the cause….right?…. My ASS ! Nope… they’ll slink back into the shadows and wait for the next opportunity to bamboozle good patriots into signing their own death warrants. And of course… once again.. neither will be charged with anything. And good peoples lives will be risked for nothing.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      This should provide some perspective as to what is going on. Make your own conclusions on all of this.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      If you are entertaining the idea these guys are plants then you must also consider the sources of all the MISINFORMATION that was spread on the internet that got the Militia and others so agitated they felt sacrificing themselves was worthy.

      That would include Bundy unless it can be shown he/they were simply repeating misinformation put out by someone else.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Quote ” Make your own conclusions on all of this.” As of this writing, I’m with the PPN.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought of the day:

    Should a Nation benefit from say high oil prices, and that Nation is not like the USA, it means the ruling class of that Nation will get rich. Even if money is used for “the people”, the oligarchs/monarchy/despots/etc, etc. will get rich.

    In the USA if this happens the Owners of the oil companies get rich, along with officers and maybe even the employees.

    The LEFT WINGERS in this country, and the Democrats, must prefer the former situation as they constantly are denigrating the second.

    I guess Hillary wouldn’t hate all the rich people if they just GAVE enough to the Clinton Foundation.

  28. gmanfortruth says:

    Tonight’s drinking game! The SOTU Address game rules are as follows:

    One must take a drink (alcoholic beverage) when any form of the following is spoken by Obama……

    1. “I” did, accomplished, changed etc. If he says “I” in any way about a past action, bottoms up!
    2. “we” same rules as above.
    3. Thanks to “Boner or Ryan” for helping in any way. That’s a triple shot requirement!
    4. “We still Have Work To Do” triple shot, bottoms up!
    5. Invest in education (any form of spending money). That’s a double shot.
    6. More than 25 interruptions due to applause, 1 shot per interruption beginning with #25. Might need a non drinker for this.
    7. Screw it, just get drunk and laugh at the worst President in US history.

    😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Anyone who thinks this the worst presidency didn’t live through JOHNSON’s.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        We’re talking about modern day stuff, not Jurassic politics 🙂

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        JAC….not lived through it….we’re still living Johnson’s legacy and the beast is still growing tentacles. Obama’s efforts amount to one deal the ACA and that in time will get picked to death…..maybe…I can dream can’t I?.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      I assume you were wasted after bullet # 1 and the 1st 5 minutes. Just asking….how many times did he say “I” or “MY” or “ME”

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I forgot Climate Change and curing cancer. Which of course he spouted off about. He is very disconnected from the real world, to the point where I think he is mentally ill and shouldn’t be allowed to own a gun, BWAHAHAHA! 😀 Actually, I stayed sober. Wasted hurts too much 🙂

  29. Just A Citizen says:

    Rumor

    Obama to call for end of “partisan distrust”.

    GOD if that isn’t poetic. If it were not so sad and outrageous it would be sad.

    I have come to believe the man delusional, believing his own narrative rather than his own identity.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      And Obama was billed as the come together president. All one had to do is look at his congressional record as empty as it was could see it all was a fabrication. His constant quote “I’ll consider any good Republican idea” Trouble was that in his eyes the Republicans have NO good ideas. Therefore it was all theater

  30. Just A Citizen says:

    Watched Megan Kelly grill the Texas Gov. last night on his Amendment proposals.

    One of those was 2/3 of States could override SCOTUS. Her rebuttal???

    That would mean the other 1/3 would have to accept changes they may not like. How is that consistent with the Founders principles/values?

    MEMO to Megan, revealing herself to be stupider by the minute, Kelly. An Amendment of the Constitution occurs when a super majority, but less than 100%, agree. So exactly how are those States to “feel” when then don’t agree with said amendment? So the difference between 66 1/3% and 75% is so significant as to ridicule the idea as somehow “unjust” or “unfair” or worst of all “undemocratic”??

    Now lets dive into all those SCOTUS rulings that stepped outside the Constitution. Oh never mind, per Kelly Madison vs. Marbury settled all that. The court has final say……period.

    She will make her law professors happy. She repeats their garbage verbatim. Wonder if she is capable of original or even intellectual thought?

  31. Just A Citizen says:

    INDICATOR of major pending recession finally reveals itself.

    POTUS bragging about how well the economy is doing.

    Dejavu……………. 2007, January; Pres. Bush goes on and on about how the number of Americans owning homes is at an all time high, how never before has so many “minorities” become home owners, how unemployment is at record lows, blah, blah, blah, blah……….

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Very good point, except Bush was right and Obama isn’t. Then again, it could be a secret signal to the elite, LMAO 🙂

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Funny thing though Bush was for years saying the housing industry and mortgages were a huge problem and set to implode. The DEMS….most notibly the guy who ultimately resigned from Congress from CT that had an incestuous relationship with one of the predatory lenders (SK) knows who it is. Kept blocking any changes and also said everything is hunky-dory….

      • gmanfortruth says:

        You are speaking of Barney Frank. He also said Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae were in great shape too, just days before they imploded.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          I just remembered the other name Sen Dodd

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          The question would be … How can Sentaor Dodd and Barney Frank who were totally ingnorant of all the looming implosion…..even have the nerve to write the new banking regulations. Where did they get their instant intelligence and knowledge. PFM

      • Chris Dodd from Conn. and Frank from Mass. “Friends of Angelo”. Frank though was the “face” of Freddie and Fannie. He kept implying you were a racist if you didn’t want to give mortgages to minorities. He never said it but he implied, “qualified or not”.

  32. gmanfortruth says:

    LIsten to this asshole….stop listening to your voters!

  33. gmanfortruth says:

    NFL owners vote to let St Louis move to L.A.

  34. gmanfortruth says:

    Obama pushing voting! Need I say more?

  35. Just A Citizen says:
  36. gmanfortruth says:

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Even though Bush um’d it was nothing like Obama and Hillary do when they have to speak extemporanially. The differences of Colin Powell and Condelezza Rice are so stiking compared to the latest batch.

      I just wonder where the administrations get their spokespeople. Is there some school that literally removes their concience upon entry, never to be found again. Short lived spokesmen I believe had hit their limit and couldn’t live with themselves. Example Gibbs, Obama’s original spokesman.

      It’s to bad that the world does not seem to have a Churchhill like person. Most seem to be of Neville Chamberlain’s ilk.

  37. gmanfortruth says:

    This report examines in detail, for the first time, how communist groups have manipulated the cause of Black Lives Matter, and how money from liberal foundations has made it all possible.

    Leftist Origins

    Exploiting blacks to promote Marxist revolution is an old tactic. The late Larry Grathwohl, former FBI informant in the Weather Underground, understood from personal experience how white communists exploited blacks and other minority groups. He said that Weather Underground terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn regarded Barack Obama, whose political career they sponsored, as a tool—a puppet—to use against white America. Obama’s legacy at home will certainly include more racial division.

    BLM launched in 2013 with a Twitter hashtag, #BlackLivesMatter, after neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman was acquitted in the Trayvon Martin killing. Radical Left activists Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors and Opal Tometi claim credit for the slogan and hashtag. Following the Michael Brown shooting in August 2014, Dream Defenders, an organization led by Working Families Party (ACORN) activist and Occupy Wall Street anarchist Nelini Stamp, popularized the phrase “Hands Up–Don’t Shoot!” which has since become BLM’s widely recognized slogan.

    Garza, Cullors and Tometi all work for front groups of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO), one of the four largest radical Left organizations in the country. The others are the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), and the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (CCDS). Nelini Stamp’s ACORN—now rebranded under a variety of different names—works with all four organizations, and Dream Defenders is backed by the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), the ACLU, the Southern Poverty Law Center and others.
    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/01/reds-exploiting-blacks-the-roots-of-black-lives-matter/

  38. gmanfortruth says:
    • Just A Citizen says:

      gman

      Your not criticizing this situation are you? Because it seems to fit pretty well with the Anarchist philosophy.

      Any group can declare themselves a group and decide for themselves how to govern themselves. NO FEDERAL OR STATE GOVT rules apply.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Not criticizing anything, just putting it up for comments. I thought it could be an interesting subject. Pus, hoped D13 would give us his input.

  39. Just A Citizen says:

    Check out all the RATIONALIZATIONS from the monkey gallery. I loved one comment. It claimed that after 8 years of Hillary as POTUS and additional Trillions in added debt among other problems, the DEMS will still be blaming George W.. Bush for it all.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-state-of-the-union-fact-check_5696549ae4b05b3245db2d54?

  40. gmanfortruth says:

    UPDATE!

    Yesterday I posted some stuff on the folks that have taken over the Fed site in Oregon. Here’s a video (imbedded) that shows the BLM being the real terrorist’s. However, after you watch this, you be the judge. I’m guessing that there might be more info on this out there, I’ll try and find more on these actions.
    http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/bureau-of-land-management-burns-ranchers-land-cattle-and-homes-watch/

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Been wondering when you would post that. Also took longer than I thought.

      If you are serious about finding “additional objective” information then Google search for BLM fires near the refuge as well as “interagency fire situation reports” for that year, 2012. Also search for stories about the towns reaction to fire fighter efforts.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Feel free to counter the video. I’m really not so sure government reports are going to fix this. Since it took me so long, I’m guessing you were ready to counter. That’s cool. I’d like to see it anyway, I really doubt any government documents will implicate themselves, but you can try.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Time for you to show you have the will to be objective and rational. Love how you discount any counter argument by simply attaching “govt. report” to it. Real rational.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            I have been consistent with what I have been claiming. I don’t support the occupation and I have posted about some of the players that don’t show them to be very good people. I’ll hold that view for now,, but I’m always skeptical. I have been consistent in claiming the BLM is corrupt and are doing things that are illegal. I haven’t posted all I have seen or read, by a longshot. The video imbedded in the link is pretty telling. If you could prove it to be incorrect, you would, buy you can’t and you knew I would eventually post it. I’ll be waiting for more info to post, you can do your best to contest the video and protect the BLM. There is much more to come, including stuff on the Judge of the second trial.

            Oh, the county Sheriff, David Ward, is not the elected Sheriff. He is finishing the elected Sheriff’s term until next election. Still looking into why.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Your video maker is mentioned in the after action report. Notice the difference in the actual locals feedback vs. what you repeat from others.

              You claim the BLM is corrupt and violating laws, and like Bundy provide NO EVIDENCE.

              http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwj7sp-41qfKAhVV9WMKHWlhBQYQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blm.gov%2For%2Fnews%2Ffiles%2Flong-draw.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEyMQmCq2-GgExc-xKZyrqwveOxhg

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Good Grief Man, do you really think a report by the BLM is going to say that the BLM stared the fires? How about another witness that says the fires were started by lightening and NOT the BLM. Any witness, other than a BLM employee or family member.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Look at the photos of the Frenchglen fire then compare to your video guys testimony.

              What was that? Fires don’t burn at night! Say again? There was nobody around doing anything.

              http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/07/wildfire_near_frenchglen_orego.html

              By the way, the sit. report and after action reports mentioned an “abandoned or un-occupied” house burned.

              And for your edification, the use of backfires in 2012 caused much discussion and re-evaluation among the agency firefighting groups. Both pro and con. Some of the issues were from reports like the one above where landowners were concerned to much of their property was damaged that could have been avoided. Lack of adequate fire fighting forces is also part of the issue. Initial attack is not robust enough and then fires compete for priority with others in the region. Brush fires that don’t threaten homes or lives get back seat.

              You ready to lobby Congress to increase the Federal fire fighting budgets?

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Gman

              Notice all the PRIVATE CITIZENS involved in preparing the report. No, I didn’t think so.

              Or are these people all corrupt and in the BLM’s pocket as well?

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Didn’t read the report did you? It talks extensively about the black lining and back fires set by agency personnel as well as “others”.

              Do you recall what the accusation was against Hammond regarding his “supposed backfire”?? That he set the fire BEHIND fire fighters who were conducting a “back fire” operation. His fire placed them between the fire he set and the one they were setting for control.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Bundy……….. we are here to support the local ranchers in their fight against the BLM.

      Oooops

      http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/rancher_i_didnt_know_anything.html#incart_most-read_pacific-northwest-news_article

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Oregonlive is an ultraliberal site, but I’ll read it to amuse you., LOL. 🙂

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Very well. According to the article, the tearing down of the fence was covered by lots of media. Were are the videos? Look at the pictures, the snow has been on the ground since the beginning, it sure don’t look like there were tractors used to do anything, except show up to fix a fence. Unless I see a video, which is assuredly out their if this occurred, I call it a false flag bullshit story aimed to demonize. Not a shock there, considering the reports of things happening (supposedly). Lot’s of false info being put out JAC. The pictures don’t show a recent fence removal. Show me a video!

        • Just A Citizen says:

          From the photos you dismissed: Who is that cutting the wire at the brace? Who are those “ranch hands” armed to ward off the nasty coyotes that might attack them?

          • gmanfortruth says:

            What wire cutters are you speaking of? The pictures in your link were of those supposedly REPAIRING the fence.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              I said cutting the fence. A term we use out west for someone taking a fence down by both cutting, tearing and “untwisting” the wire at the brace. To Cut the Fence is to take the fence down requiring someone to PUT IT BACK UP. Notice the ranch hands fixing the fence are stringing new wire.

              So what did Mr. Bundy do with the wire that was there before??

              • gmanfortruth says:

                I know all kinds of super tough ranchers who rip apart barbed wire without leather gloves in sub freezing weather. I think your seeing staged propaganda for our entertainment. Why would someone break the law and record it for public consumption and add to his already growing criminal charges? Then again, he’s already been so demonized, they should just leave and let the BLM screw the rest of them out of their property. Gotta keep that nestegg going for the politicians Ya know!

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Another photo from the story…….. Mr. the snow has been there from the beginning yada yada yada. PLEASE TELL me, what kind of pickup makes those tread marks in the snow?

          • gmanfortruth says:

            You must be talking about the vehicle those men used to get there? Yes. These are the guys repairing the fence, not tearing it down.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Your credibility wanes with each additional comment.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                JAC the pictures are of those fixing the fence, not those who are ripping it down. Even the owner is pictured. I think it is you who are having a problem, eye’s maybe?

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Gman

              Good grief. The last photo in the series is of Bundy taking down the wire at the fence brace. His “militia” goons are looking on along with a news reporter…….. see blue jacket and notepad? The only alternative is this is Bundy trying to help fix the fence to make amends with the rancher.

              The rest are of the ranchers fence repair team.

              And here is the bottom line. The photos did not matter. Bundy admits taking it down. The Rancher calls bullshit on Bundy’s reasons. Bundy was not acting on behalf of or for the rancher. The rancher’s words are what matters.

              Your trip down photo lane was just another logical fallacy………. distraction.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Just curious, why keep going back to Bundy when I have already said I don’t agree with him/them? It’s like your trying to change the subject. Why?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      More history of the area. The author fails to see he has made the argument against himself. While the Bundys, Hammonds and Hages of today fail to recognize the “subsidies” and Govt expenses on their behalf, the author fails to recognize that it was in fact the tyranny of Fed. Govt. that starts the whole ball rolling. The modern day revolutionary ranchers need to deal with its full history. It would serve them much better.

      http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/libertarian-fairy-tales-of-the-bundy-family

  41. gmanfortruth says:

    When the White House makes statements like this… it makes you want to revolt.

    President Obama is not finished with executive actions, according to White House Chief of staff Denis McDonough.

    “We’ll do audacious executive action throughout the course of the rest of the year. I’m confident of that,” he said during a Christian Science Monitor breakfast with reporters this morning in Washington D.C.

    McDonough said he was “very mindful” that Obama was running out of time in his last year of office and would do as much as he could before leaving office.

    Read more: Breitbart

  42. Just A Citizen says:

    When some renegade rancher tells you the ranch is in better shape after the burns or that the Feds are mismanaging those lands, keep this story in mind. If you are interested you can find many like stories all over the Great Basin country. You can also google pictures of “crested wheat plantations or planting or pasture”. And all of this done with FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS……….. well Federal money anyway. 🙂

    http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/info/newsroom/2013/february/elko__elko_district1.html

  43. gmanfortruth says:

    http://www.almanac.com/weather/history/OR/Bend/2012-07-08

    Where is the precipitation on July 8 2012? July 7th? The weather history isn’t matching the claim of thunderstorms. Not that it matters, because we all know they would never let a crisis go to waste, BWAHAHAHA!

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Here, I fixed it for you. The area is near Burns, not Bend.

      http://www.almanac.com/weather/history/OR/Burns/2012-07-08

      Now please measure the distance from Burns airport to the mountainous region near the fire in question.

      Now explain to me what the precipitation in Burns has to do with anything.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I checked every town near the burn area, no precipitation showed up. Like I said, what difference does it make, lightening is the perfect excuse. I certainly wouldn’t let that opportunity go to waste. But I do have a question. Why would a rancher (or a local, whatever) make such a video about the fire? This was 2012, not 2015. What would cause a rancher to drive around and record this stuff, UNLESS there was a problem with the BLM?

        You and I would not go around and make such a video without a reason, and I don’t think the average person would either. Granted, there are some goofballs out there, but why would this particular be video of the fire made, implicating the BLM, if there wasn’t a problem with them to begin with? That’s what don’t make any sense. As many fires that have occurred out West, due to natural causes, we now have ONE video blaming the BLM. ONE, that is all. Plus it’s back in 2012. Were conditions right for a fire, that’s obvious that it was. What would possess a person to make this video without a real reason. Just curious.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Don’t you get dry lightning back east? Happens here all the time in July and August, sometimes even June and September.

          You will have to ask the guy who made the video. I did not notice his name ever used. But NONE of the local ranchers during that fire season made the same claims.

          I wouldn’t doubt that this guy was either a) tied to the Hammonds, or b) some disgruntled guy who saw what he wanted to see, ignoring everything else around him.

          B) is not an uncommon event our here. In the country it is delusional conclusions about the BLM or USFW or USFS. In the cities it is usually the NSA or CIA or FBI or all the above.

          By the way, the video does not “implicate” the BLM in any fire involving the Hammonds. These fires occurred the year they got sentenced. So maybe the videographer was trying to create a narrative to counter the Hammonds sentencing. Maybe he is just another of these revolutionaries trying to lead people down a dark path. Like I said, you need to ask him.

          I only know what the facts are and I have presented several.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            It’s all good JAC. Gotcha going a bit, keeping you on your toes, LOL. Dry lightening is an air event, I don’t recall a ground strike without an actual T-Storm. Rare over here on the right side of the country.

            I think we are going to learn a lot in the near future about the wrong doings of the Fed’s. This is really only the beginning. It sure isn’t the way I would have done things, but it has people talking and researching. The latter part has usually proven to be bad for the Fed’s. Time will tell. I still think there are Fed’s inside the Bundy group, we shall see in the end.

            Hope you got your shot at a billion plus! Got a better chance at being hit with an asteroid, but what the hell. We finally had snow to talk about. Latest I can remember. Not nearly as cold as last year, I’ll take that.

            Curious question. What happens if , say over two weeks, the stock market goes down 50 + percent. I had someone ask me that, but it hasn’t happened in our lifetime that I remember. I know at 20% in a day it closes, but that can happen daily till they cry mercy.

          • gmanfortruth says:

            p.s. This time of year sucks and is very boring. With that said, always remember that I have a habit of pulling your chain. But I still think the BLM is crooked, LMAO 🙂

  44. Dale A Albrecht says:

    So when Al Gore’s failed “liberal” network was sold to Al Jazeera the other years one had to wonder. Hillary said, a “Real news” network. Announced today that they are shutting down their operations in the US. Their model just didn’t fit the market. Double speak for NO customers.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Why does it seem that the Left are protecting the radical Muslim’s? Why do they defend the Lie that is Black Lies Matters? Why is Gearge Soros so heavily involved, monetarily, with known Communist organizations? Ford? Ben and Jerry? I’ll be hitting on this in the next article. Right now I’m running JAC around for awhile to see how many times he will post Left wing bullshit. 😀

      • The left hates America and it hates success. There is a desire to surrender themselves to a leader. The left is far closer to embracing fascism/communism than the right ever could be.

        Part of it is a personal lack of self confidence. Oh, they may have big mouths and may even act like total assholes verbally, but down deep they fear almost everything. They certainly do not believe, in general, that individuals can continually make right choices for their lives. Even minor setbacks and temporary failures are earth shaking events to them. You and I will just say F— it! and go on to the next thing. They, even when they come out of it, agonize for the rest of their lives.

        Part of it is the acceptance of the leader principle. Just read up on its adherents.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip

        Now, does this not sound an awful lot like the Obama apologists? Remember there are those perfectly happy to be led and a load of people just dying to be Gruppensturmfuhrers. Best way to accomplish this, destroy America, ridicule democracy. Do what Charlie does and hang past failures eternally and forever around the neck of the country.. It amazes me that you, I, Dale, JAC and everyone else must accept blame for every past injustice perpetrated in America yet Communism, still very much alive, gets a pass for 100,000,000 dead in 50 years.

        Never forget Jane Fonda’s reaction to Joan Baez when Baez tried to get the former anti-war activists to condemn Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. It was something very much like, “you can’t make an omlet without breaking eggs”.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          I missed that. but Joan Baez still walks the walk. The very fact that the pol pot regime and the Khmer Rouge were some of the most murderous thugs, “the killing fields” and the world stood by and did nothing. It took the “evil” communists in Viet Nam to go put a stop to the killing. The UN today, feels that the Khmer Rouge has a legitimate right and role in the government in Cambodia.

          Fonda along with Dan Rather, I still have the same dislike. Un Christian and hold a grudge, absolutely.

  45. Just A Citizen says:

    Gman

    Just curious, why keep going back to Bundy when I have already said I don’t agree with him/them? It’s like your trying to change the subject. Why?

    Because Bundy appears to be the source of, or an instigator in spreading, the falsehoods and distortions about the Hammond situation. I searched for the origins of all the falsehoods on the Hammond case and they come back to Bundy. Maybe someone developed the distorted talking points and Bundy only repeated them. I have not found anything farther back than his postings to the internet. Once he sent it to the “patriot” groups it spread like wildfire. I don’t believe he was duped by anyone, except maybe in tactics. He was the one that organized the trip to Oregon and made the calls for help.

    The old man has subscribed to a theory of land law that has not EVER been supported. His claims have been found false and he was tried in a US Court and found owing the Govt. tons of money. So he pulls the “Tyrannical Govt.” card when the Feds tried to take action provided by the Courts. I would leave them alone if they stayed on their piece of the southern desert. But now he has decided he is gong to be a “leader” of some “freedom movement”. He is worse than an enabler, he is a rabble rouser, instigator, trouble maker. He is DISCREDITING the freedom/tea party movement. Along with all the phony militia types that have come to his calls for help. People like Bundy are POISON.

    Even the Oathkeepers and Idaho 3% have gotten sucked in to some extent. But at least they have NOT TAKEN SIDES and done a good job of portraying themselves as only providing security for everyone. And tell me, what OATH to the Constitution are they upholding by interfering in lawful conduct of federal agencies under the Constitution?

    Or have we now entered a period where the armchair Constitutional scholars get to dictate what is and what is not to be “defended against threats both foreign and domestic”??

    Thanks to Bundy and his cohorts it has now become tyranny to enforce lawful orders or the laws of the US themselves. No matter whether a court rules against them, “they have no authority”. No matter what evidence is presented, “the Feds are corrupt and liars, corporate shills, etc.”. Their rhetoric and speechifying leaves ONLY ONE course of action. ARMED CONFRONTATION with the Feds.

    Eventually he will get someone killed. The patience of that evil Govt. you spout about is the only thing that has prevented that so far. But some day they will realize that letting Bundy run wild is causing more problems than disposing of him. And when they do, most of the American Public will cheer his arrest. And with him will go the Tea Party/Patriot movement.

  46. Just A Citizen says:

    For those that do not know, the Fed. land agencies do not need to halt logging or cancel grazing permits to get control of “minerals” under the ground.

    The 1872 mining act gives PRIORITY to development of minerals on federal lands and guarantees access for prospecting, testing and development of said minerals. I say priority because the discovery of valuable minerals can and has resulted in cancellation of other permits, including grazing. Not much grass left on a placer site.

    The accusation that the feds are after mineral rights on the Hammond ranch appear pretty ludicrous as the USGS reports declaring the possible existence of such minerals identify the block fault mtns called the Steen Mtns as the LIKELY location of any such minerals.

    So what you see is that those stirring the pot of Fear against Tyranny are lying, lying and lying. Wonder why nobody asks WHY they are lying. WHAT is their motive, the REAL MOTIVE.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Sort of taking a tack on this discussion, if I use a very loose definition. Somehow we need a moderator like a debate and then it comes down to a vote as to who won. Me I vote for JAC.

      Here in NC is a region called Uharrie NF. Camping and rights, like shooting, in this Federally owned National Forest are far more liberal than the State run parks. Uharrie was the 1st commercially viable gold strike in the US. It produced gold, I’m pretty sure until the WWII era. That said, panning and sluicing are permissible, no mechanical mining, like backhoes, and you keep what you get. If you strike a site that can be made commercial again the USFS DOES NOT seize that strike. They just require filing and will facilitate the permits and obviously environmental controls. Just declare the strike. From there to the west in NC is very rich in emeralds, diamonds and sapphires. I believe the largest emerald ever found, not Colombia, was in NC and on display at the Smithsonian. Needless to say the farmer quit his day job. A friend when he got married got bored at the beach and they went west. The several carot diamond they found is really nice. Trouble is they can not afford the faceting yet….priorities set, like twins.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Nobody has accused the Fed’s of trying to take their own land for the minerals.

  47. Attitude adjuster. Funk with me.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      i love old movies. All in all the actors were far more talented and multidiciplined. As they said about how great Fred Astaire was….Ginger Rogers did every step he did, but backwards, and in heels.

  48. Hey Colonel,

    Can you teach these boys how to shoot? Three shots…there should be at least two bodies…ya know, two out of three ain’t bad? 🙂

    President Rick would remedy this whole situation. Obviously Mexico can’t control their country. It’s been overrun by the cartels…and they need our help. Mexico would be the 51st state, and our new southern border would be with Colombia. The cartels would be squashed and our honest and loving Federal Gov. would take their place. LOL

    • oops, forgot to add the link…

      http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/01/13/2769279/

    • gmanfortruth says:

      LOL, we couldn’t afford the welfare that the left would offer up for Mexicans. There is two ways to neuter the cartels, overwhelming military force or ending the war on drugs. The latter could provide for some good legal business’s that we need here.

    • First of all….please note the patch on the uniform……it says ” US Border Patrol”….they are not well trained.

      Secondly, this story MUST be false….just ask Obama. There is no problem on the border. In addition, this same story listed several shootouts and kidnappings in and around the Texas border. This MUST also be false. Just ask Obama….There is no problem on the Texas border. They are just poor immigrants looking for work. Yeah…right.

      If you can find the stats…..check two things. Take your map and draw a small circle around a town called Eagle Pass. The Mexican town is Piedras Negras. Next, drop South along the border to a town called Laredo…its Mexican sister city is called Nueveo Laredo. Keep going South to McAllen and its sister city of Reynosa and finally end at the most Southern town of
      Brownsville and its sister city of Matamoros. Now, check the number of kidnappings and shootouts on the Texas side and in these towns. Check the revenues of the associated Mexican border towns that thrived on tourism with shops, restaurants, and the like…..see how many restaurants on the Mexican side are still open and how many curio and small shops are still open. Next check on the US side of the towns I mentioned and see how many curfews are in effect…….curfews of movie houses, city parks, the river trails for walkers and joggers…..check at what time the shops in those towns ON THE US SIDE close up. It is easy to find these things….but you cannot go to the websites….call the stores themselves. The website says one thing….the actuality is another.

      Finally check the numbers on homicides, rapes, drug arrests, shootings, assassinations and violent crimes…..you will find that over 70% of these crimes are done by illegals and non citizens and OTM’s (other than Mexican). These cities are patrolled by only local gendarmes and the US Border and Immigration.

      NOW……..go back to Eagle Pass and go North along the border. Make the exact same comparisons from Eagle Pass to Del Rio to Presidio to El Paso. ( put an asterisk by El PAso for the moment ). You will find that the criminal arrests, assassinations, kidnappings, rapes, robberies etc are down to less than 10% committed by illegals, non citizens, and OTM’s. Now….let us go to El Paso, where Juarez, the sister city, until recently was the most violent city in the world even over Beirut and Middle eastern cities in the middle of a war. El PAso locals decided to use Texas Rangers, DPS and Military to beef up and patrol and enforce law. You can now walk the streets of El PAso again….you can still hear gunshots across the river, but you do not have the spillover any longer.

      Here is the reason….we, meaning Texas ( Rangers, DPS, and Texas Guard ), along with our program of involving the ranchers, have been in charge of the border between Laredo and Eagle Pass and from Del Rio to El Paso. It works and we have a zero tolerance policy. I have already explained how we do it.

      Now..one other little exercise…..check the FBI stats ( which lie but are closer ) on the cities outside the 3 KM arc of Laredo, Mc Allen, Eagle Pass and Brownsville ..check the stats on the same criminal activity. Outside of the government patrolled areas and defense zone controlled by the White House……you will see the compete opposite.

      Lastly…..every car/truck/and train from the border is stopped and inspected after the three KM arc of the border. Stopped by DPS and Rangers. Isn’t it amazing that we catch far more than at the border itself. Imagine that.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        So when are the citizens of the fair Texas cities that you named as to still having problems and having their way of life totally altered going to wake up? Or is that way of life accepable to them?

  49. gmanfortruth says:

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      They didn’t call it “dope” for no reason. I had no idea that the affects last so long unless he is still using…..for “medical” purposes only perscribed by a qualified physician.

  50. gmanfortruth says:

  51. gmanfortruth says:
    • It was NOT the Iranian armed forces that captured the boats. It was the Revolutionary Guard Navy….there are TWO navies…..the RG reports to the mullahs…the armed forces to the politicians…..

      The question is, why did the Navy not fire on the RG…..those two boats had enough firepower on them to sink a destroyer……will be interesting what the navy will do. The Code of Conduct was violated and it appears that the commander was not properly trained in the rules of engagement for his mission.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Considering who the C N C is, they were probably following orders. It seems the Iranians are saying that this is a notice to the congress about voting against anything concerning the Iranian deal. I found the video’s put out by the Iranians to show the world what a weak little POS Obama is. If any nation was ever going to attack us in any way, this would be the year to do it, Obama would probably welcome it with open arms.. This is going to be a really interesting year.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Unless their rules of engagement were to NOT defend yourself under any circumstance, like the Marines were at the embassy Tehran in ’79. I did see the request for Marine volunteers when the embassy ramped up again after the shah abdicated and was later admitted into the US for medical treatment. “You will not defend the embassy if attacked”. The Marine officer said he would not show this to his troops because it was a setup. Several months before the hostage “crisis” So what is the government up to? Like not putting up simple baricades up the ramp in Beriut, and having UNLOADED weapons at the perimeter with the rounds on the otherside of their building. Like NOT telling the commanders of the ships escorting tankers in the Gulf that they were double dealing arms with the Iranians, and ordering them to lock down the very weapons that would have defended the ship against the Iraqi exocet missiles. They identified the Iraqi warplane and judged it was friendly because Iran was the enemy……What is the government up to?

      • gmanfortruth says:
  52. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Please pay particular attention to the last parts of the article, concerning crime and punishment on college campuses. Remember Duke University LaCross team. These kids would be in prison for many years to come if it hadn’t been for a summer intern at one of the defense attorney’s office. The Prosecutor wasn’t going to say anything about them being innocent. The defense attorney’s collected their millions in fees and didn’t ask for the CSI lab results. The State Police lab didn’t say anything. Duke condemned them without trial along with all the notible black advocates. Once the evidence got into the hands of the State’s attorney general the case was dismissed. The prosecutor was disbarred and only spent < 24 hours in jail. Duke has paid MILLIONS in civil penalties.

    Not that I was hot on Rubio anyway, but he's off my list as contenders. He's one of the enablers to Obama's agenda.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marco-rubios-record-of-bad-judgment/2016/01/13/e668fd40-b959-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html

  53. Just A Citizen says:

    That sound is me banging my head on the desk…………… this stuff passes for reporting on a MAJOR news outlet.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/14/world/ice-age-postponed/index.html

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      They just will not quit. Just how many times have these low islands been under water to begin with. Please also explain to me the obvious 100’s of millions of years without what appears to be ice ages during the Jurrasic and dinosaur years. How many times were the coastal areas flooded by the ocean levals. Obviously nature didn’t care that at some time humans would build houses and resorts and then scream….”the government ought to do something”. Just think what the reaction will be when Trump towers on Miami beach is inland by 100 miles.

  54. To simplify somewhat, I don’t care much about terrorism, because it’s too unimportant and ineffective.

    The statistical risk of dying in a terrorist attack is, in the United States, the West, and most of the rest of the world, negligible, and will be under any reasonably likely scenario.

    If we’re still driving cars despite thousands of automobile accident deaths per year, we don’t really set the value of human life so high that attacks in Paris (130 victims) and San Bernardino (22 victims) objectively warrant the massive media attention, revolutions in foreign policy, and proposals to shut the borders completely to Muslims that they evoke.

    Such events get such attention because of statistical illiteracy.

    People don’t understand that terrorism does less damage than tiny blips in highway safety.

    Terrorism is dramatic and makes a good story, so the news media cover it out of self-interest, and people can’t put the stories in proper perspective, so as to realize that terrorism only affects a tiny number of people, and therefore just isn’t very important.

    http://openborders.info/blog/islamophobic-case-open-borders/

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      not in the least going to argue the statistical significance. Obama says they’re junior league. I will argue that if the west totally vacates all countries in all ways business, meddling the problem will persist. The counter part of the deal is that ALL muslims vacate western lands. Just like Pakistan and India did years ago. The two ideals can not live together as equals. this conflict goes back way before christianity or islam ever existed. while in the UK, the imam’s were openly preaching that they will not rest until the cresent is on top of St. Pauls.

      From an economic view, al queda is waging an extremely efficient war. Very low cost on their end and they give up NO ideals. However,the west and the targeted nations have spent trillions and have totally shreaded their citizens rights and ideals. If we even think about the statisitics of deaths and causes and plot them on a pareto chart, a business wouldn’t even think about spending that kind of money until it maybe reached the “5” up chart. if by solving the top five issues the low one on the chart is solved, great. it’s a fringe benefit.

      All that has occured has been a circle jerk. money and more money spent. minor event occurs and the people demand even more protection and government spends more, So far the only booming part of the economy are the agencies and companies at the receiving end of the largess. The “opponant” sure as heck hasn’t been affected.

      • That is why I am writing this essay: to implore you, the reader, to snap out of that spell if you have not already, and to help others do the same. Stop swallowing the overblown scaremongering of the government and its corporate media cronies. Stop letting them use hysteria over small menaces to drive you into the arms of tyranny, which is the greatest menace of all. Overthrow the reign of terror the State has installed over your mind. Else the days ahead may be terrible indeed.

        http://www.dansanchez.me/feed/nothing-to-fear-but-the-fearful-themselves

        • gmanfortruth says:

          That would make for a great article Flag. I think you can still use the site to write articles, if not, send it to me and I’ll get it up. We are do for a new thread now anyway.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      BF

      I believe you are missing some normative/cultural issues. The difference in how humans view terrorism is rooted in our view of deliberate killing vs. accidental killing. It is not in dead vs. dead. It is not just because people are “statistically illiterate”. Although that does play a role in the “political over reactions”.

      Another aspect of terrorism is how it forces itself into what is “normally” thought of as safe behavior.

      We might expect a chance of being robbed on the way to the market, but generally believe nothing will happen once we get there. We do not expect to have someone set off a bomb at the restaurant. Not in a civilized society. That is supposed to be a peaceful place, sanctuary. I think this is why people often react more angrily when a mass murder happens in a very public place. Yet more people are killed one by one on the streets each year.

      Humans have also long placed value on “motive”. Sometimes this is justified but as I have said, sometimes it is irrelevant if you consider only justice for the victim or the criminal, depending on one’s view of justice.

      • Not to mention that the number of attacks are increasing by the day.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          VH

          Based on what?

          • News reports-I believe the most recent happened in Jakarta, Indonesia

            • Just A Citizen says:

              V.H.

              Yes, but is it really an increase in frequency? Think about the long periods with NO attacks. Then a bunch of attacks within a short time. If we only look at the recent “short” time it looks like an increase.

              If we look at the longer period there is little change.

              We also need to consider context and location. Indonesia has undergone these types of attacks periodically for a very long time. In short, a “constant”.

              So if we look at Europe and the US with Indonesia it looks like a big increase all of a sudden. But the actual increase is really only in “new” countries being attacked.

              Bottom line, we need to stay vigilant against the hyperbole and fear mongering BF is warning against.

              • One thing I think you are leaving out of your calculations is Why is there an uptick in attacks and do we have any reason to think that they are gonna stop.

          • I posted the number above. Deaths are definitely increasing.

        • hohoho!

          No, dear, all that is happening is that you watch too much TV.

          I’m sure if they broadcast car accidents like terrorism attacks, you’d be just as bizarrely twisted.

      • “I believe you are missing some normative/cultural issues. The difference in how humans view terrorism is rooted in our view of deliberate killing vs. accidental killing. It is not in dead vs. dead. It is not just because people are “statistically illiterate”. Although that does play a role in the “political over reactions”.”

        It is because people are statistically illiterate for the very reason you pointed out.
        Dead is dead. That’s the point.

        Of the risks to your life, terrorism is so utterly minor as to be irrelevant.
        Because people fail critical thinking, they elevate this utterly irrelevant risk to become major.

        They cannot properly rationalize risk.

  55. I have to say this surprises me-PP worked hard to get the Media not to really cover these tapes-this action would, I would think put the contents of these tapes front and center,

    http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/14/planned-parenthood-sues-maker-of-shocking-videos-showing-it-selling-aborted-baby-body-parts/

    • gmanfortruth says:

      This shouldn’t be a surprise. With so many Judge’s going rogue and legislating from the bench, they might get an early win.

    • Don’t they open up their records to discovery?

      • One would think so-but they are suing them for breaking particular laws. As was pointed out in another article I read-they aren’t suing them for any type of defamation-so will it? I don’t know.

    • PP has verrrrrry deep pockets. Break ’em, that’s what they are out to do. Just think of all the free legal help they will get.

  56. gmanfortruth says:

    According to the poll, by Rasmussen:

    A former federal prosecutor recently made headlines with his prediction that Hillary Clinton will be indicted soon for trafficking in classified information on a private e-mail server while working as secretary of State. But should a criminal indictment put Clinton’s bid for the Democratic presidential nomination on hold? Just over half of Democrats say no.

    …Fifty-four percent (54%) of Republicans think a candidate charged with a felony should stop campaigning at once, while 41% disagree. Among Democrats, those findings are reversed: Only 40% say the candidate should quit campaigning, but 53% think they should keep running until a court determines their guilt or innocence.

    …While women consistently have been more supportive of Clinton’s candidacy than men, female voters also believe more strongly that a candidate who is charged with a felony should immediately stop campaigning.

    Rasmussen also found that only 31% of voters trust Hillary Clinton, and almost half (45%) of voters believe she used her private email account to hide exchanges from government oversight.
    http://libertyunyielding.com/2016/01/14/guess-how-many-dems-think-hillary-should-run-even-if-she-is-indicted/

  57. gmanfortruth says:
  58. gmanfortruth says:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/206480#.VpgkE5v2a02

    A lawsuit filed this week on behalf of several atheists is calling on the American government to remove “In God We Trust” from US money, claiming the phrase is unconstitutional.

    The lawsuit was filed on Monday in Akron, Ohio, by Sacramento attorney Michael Newdow, who in the past failed at least twice in lawsuits against the government calling to remove “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance, reports Associated Press.

    Now the attorney has his sights set on the dollar bill, and is alleging that the phrase “In God West Trust” constitutes a breach of the constitution’s separation of church and state.

    BWAHAHAHA, these dipshits don’t realize it’s not a government piece of paper.

  59. gmanfortruth says:
    • Just A Citizen says:

      Gman

      Last line in the article: “why are some in Harney County so upset about ‘outsiders’ snooping around?”

      That is an EASY answer. They are OUTSIDERS. Guessing this guy has never been to Harney county or Burns. I have always found Burns to be one of the less friendly places in these parts. People really do tend to keep to themselves. The environment is also pretty harsh and the resource economy has been on its back for a very long time.

  60. gmanfortruth says:

    Where are the idiotic poll numbers these moderators at the early debate coming from, Solon dot com or Media Matters?

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I wouldn’t mind seeing Carly as the running mate. I think she would destroy any Liberal the Democrats could find in a debate, that would be interesting.

  61. Wondering about the attacks in Indonesia, the largest Muslim Country in the world. I would speculate that they are done to scare the living bejesus out of the populace and force them and the government into backing ISIS or at least not opposing it. Same for Turkey which seems to be working. The Government would apparently rather “switch than fight”.

    Good tactical moves.

    • No.
      The Indonesian attacks had nothing to do with ISIS. It is an internal issue.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        BF

        Mostly true but apparently ISIS is trying to create the appearance of a presence. It appears they may be funneling money along with their propaganda to create problems.

        The upside is the Indonesian version of Islam has not fallen for the Arab version yet.

        I saw an interesting stat. last night. Of all the Muslim countries Indonesia has far and away the FEWEST people participating in the ISIS or fundamentalist crap in the Mid. East. It is estimated at only 1 in 1 million Muslim Indonesians and the total number radicalized enough to go fight for ISIS is less than 100.

  62. gmanfortruth says:

    There is a new thread posted. Happy Friday 🙂

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